I still do not understand all of this oil controversy.  I have almost 50,000 miles on my 02 and I have never used anything other than Castrol auto oil in my bike. Sometimes I just use the cheap stuff, and yet my bike is running like a clock. No oil leaks, the clutch is still fine and I'm only on my 2nd cam chain which i did not really need to replace at 33,000 miles. I also travel at high speeds, 60 and above for most of my riding. Rode almost 700 miles in one day from Missoula to Portland in one day and my oil was still workin as it should.

Shell don't recommend Rotella for gas motorcycles

You simply amaze me, Oldrotellatard.  People on that 2nd link you provided proved my point.  Just like your link to disprove golf ball sized molecules proved that molecules come it different sizes and was just a golf ball sized stratagem used by a Roteller troll.  You are slick, but not as slick as the product you foam at the mouth about in your lube war threads.  “It’s on the interwebs –- It has to be true!”  

The weasley Shell tech dodged FX4's question in FX4's opinion.  Rotella is a HD diesel motor oil and Shell had not paid their $500.00 and is not “certified” JASO according to your link. The first one sez different. What is it?  The weasel tech would not recommend it, but would warranty the product because Shell tested it and it meets (does not exceed) the performance requirements.  

So you need to ask your Rotella loving self why didn’t the weasel tech and Shell not go for the certification and a recommendation with a simple yes or no answer in the second link.  Like opinions and assholes -- everyone has one, and I think that Rotella was not formulated for gas engines and that is why we have this stand off.  Don’t get me wrong – T6 is a great oil and for the savage app it works, however T6 was not engineered for that purpose and there is a reason Shell will not put their money where your mouth is -- in this case –- Shell’s arse.

Bill is right, and the way you treat him borders on cyber-bulling.  Shell Rotella T is a diesel motor oil that can be use in gasoline engines which compromises it in both apps.  Savages are gasoline powered, do not have the compression of diesel engines or inter-cooled turbo chargers, and are primitive compared to what is burning diesel on the roads today.  Just because you stumbled upon Rotella T does mean it is the best lube to use and all your caterwauling isn’t going to change the fact that it was engineered as a heavy duty diesel engine oil that happens to meet (not exceed gasoline specs).  The mere fact the Suzuki doesn’t recommend the weights Rotella comes in proves that you are experimenting with your unit.  Shame, shame on you, Rotellatroll.

Uno-Lung wrote on 08/01/12 at 20:27:38:




Now, this is a fine example of .....  personal attack ?? and misdirection ??

Do you think Shell hasn't got the $500 to pay for a one shot test?   They probably paid a lot more than that to get their internal lab ISO/TS/JASO certified and they do pay about $5,000 for each yearly outside ISO/TS/JASO systems audit to prove their quality systems are up to snuff.

Actually, all you have said up top is that you ain't buying any facts that you disagree with that are put before you that backed up by any source you choose not to believe.  (but you believe the parts that you like)

And I had forgotten about your silly golf ball sized molecules, but thanks for reminding us again that Rotella has molecules the size of golf balls and they can't/won't fit in the piston to wall clearance zone.



 ...and I put my mouth where?   Now for that little tid bit I think you deserve a month in the penalty box where you can ponder the rules on "no personal attacks" that do apply here in Rubber Side Down.

But since you attacked me, personally, I'll let the other mods deal with you this time.  

  Attack me again and I'll do it myself.

Rotella the 3 in 1 oil.

Uno-Lung wrote on 08/01/12 at 20:27:38:

Well why don't you enlighten us then.  You take the same position as Bill, the position of "It's a DIESEL oil LOL" but never quite get around to explaining what the fuel type has to do with the price of cheese. Sure, on a good day you might rattle off a couple of differences (typical but not necessarily present) between the engine types.

RPM range? So what. There are small diesels that rev higher v8 gas engines.

Deposits from the fuel?  Carbon deposits and acidic combustion products are similar.

Intercooler? Irrelevant. Cars have been built with them and the oil spec is not changed because of them.

Turbochargers?  Many gas powered cars have them. You don't change the engine oil because of it, except to be sure you have an oil that can take high temperatures (probably a synthetic).

High compression? So what. The primary purpose of engine oil is to prevent metal parts from wearing away as they are rubbed together at high pressure. High compression increases that pressure on some parts. Are you saying an oil with the film strength to handle this is a compromise?

Name any characteristic of diesel engines that when considered in the oil, is bad for our motorbike engines. Explain how it is "compromised in both apps" and your post will be suitable for the RSD section.

Here is the TDS sheet for Rotella T6 http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_Local_TDS_United_States_Shell_Rotella_T6...

Here is the TDS sheet for Rotella T http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_Local_TDS_United_States_Shell_Rotella_T_...

Both specify the use in Gasoline engines and the Triple Protection one actually mentions motorcycle use in the TDS sheet. Both also show the JASO, MA and DH2 approvals.

R.F.