Did we ever agree about the 20w50 stuff being too thick to recommend?

Charon wrote on 08/03/12 at 19:09:18:


I agree with this.

The only reason I'm not running Amsoil is because the Rotella T6 is cheaper.  My local ind cycle shop the Amsoil MC line of oils in stock so it's easy for me to get and less then the $12 per quart but when T6 is half the cost it's hard to pass that up.

R.F.

I used to run Lucas 20W-50 MCCAIN oil before I switched to Rotella T-6. Not bad stuff and in these insane hot Oklahoma summer's certainly not misplaced. But in winter I changed to 10W-40, because when it got down to below freezing you could tell by cranking it in the morning that the stuff got thick.
But now with T-6, I am a happy camper all year 'round. I would like to know how much ZDDP that Lucas oil had in it.

( Did anybody noticed the upsurge in "tickings" lately) No I haven't I use Klotz oil.

 
My issues with Mobil 1 is that we put it on the list as approved in August 2012 and by the time the newbies read it and go hunting for it a year or two from now -- it is changed (re-spec'ed) or gone or replaced with Mobil 1 xxxxx.

But, it meets specs and is available at wally and the others, so it stuck to the wall for now.

Just type the oil name and weight in and put walmart after it -- this search gives you the Wally page that tells you specs and price and availability.   Currently both oils show JASO MA on Wally's infopages.

So far the Recommended list stands at:

                       (pricing comes from Walmart)


Dino        -- Rotella T Triple Protection 15W40                $12.99 a gallon  
                                                                                         ($3.25 a quart)

Synthetic -- Rotella T-6 5W40                              $21.99 a gallon
                                                                            ($5.50 a quart)

Synthetic -- Mobil 1 Motorcycle Racing 4T 10W-40            $ 9.97 a quart
Synthetic -- Mobil 1 Motorcycle V-Twin 20W-50                   $ 9.97 a quart
     
 

 
OK, bike trip is required to go to Walmart to look at the Mobil 1 bottles with the Mark 1 ocular devices, lens augmented.   I also question availability in all Walmarts, so this is a backcheck for that.

I find it amusing that even Wally recognises Rotella as motorcycle oil now-a-days, but Bill doesn't.


http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_query=motorcycle+oil&ic=16_...

For a big double hoot plus, read the 7 comments on Rotella T-6 on the Walmart page --- do you think bikers have discovered the stuff or what?

So far the Recommended list stands at:

                       (pricing comes from Walmart)


Dino        -- Rotella T Triple Protection 15W40                $12.99 a gallon  
                                                                                         ($3.25 a quart)

Synthetic -- Rotella T-6 5W40                              $21.99 a gallon
                                                                            ($5.50 a quart)

Synthetic -- Mobil 1 Motorcycle Racing 4T 10W-40            $ 9.97 a quart
Synthetic -- Mobil 1 Motorcycle V-Twin 20W-50                   $ 9.97 a quart
struck for moly still in the mix on latest VOAs -- see Bobistheoilguy VOAs
     

87 savage wrote on 08/04/12 at 12:40:47:



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First, they fail the "available to buy locally today" rule because you have to ORDER them by the case on line and then wait for them to show up at your local Wally.   These are not stocked items.

Second, they only claim to have the SL car level of ZDDP in them, that is 1,100 ppm of ZDDP.   This doesn't meet our 1,200 ppm limit, and the Valvoline products apparently can deliver much less.  According to the most current BITOG VOA's  Valvoline is perhaps subbing in some sort of car based calcium wear package instead of the ZDDP.

(note:  Valvoline results are very sparse and have multi-year gaps in the data flow, so let's watch all our assumptions a bit accordingly -- this applies to me too)

In short, the original Valvoline motorcycle products seem to have been their old SL formulations of car oil that were submitted and did pass the JASO clutch slippage test.  

And now days the data says they are shipping out their SM or SN car grade product level with reduced ZDDP .... and perhaps subbing in some sort of car based calcium wear package instead.

This does not make it optimal for the Savage engine, and the most recent VOA's say the Valvoline's reality falls short of our SuzukiSavage.com 1,200 ppm ZDDP standard -- and that was if it they had it in stock and you didn't have to order it by the case on line .....

Do any of the local auto parts stores stock this stuff?

Up to you to find it in stock at a parts store and then get some CURRENT VOA data that shows it even gets up to 1,100 ppm of ZDDP which is all it claims to ever have had in it .....

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