verslagen1 wrote on 06/23/23 at 11:07:37:


link to fixer upper ---- note recent price drop to under $180 on the last 4 units that remain

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082QMTGW8?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details


Also note the specified i7-4770-3.4 GHz processor is the very tippy top unit of that core i-7 4th generation and that particular matching socket generation --- there is nothing better that will drop into that particular motherboard and socket combo.

There will be some better things that come along later, though inside a new 5th generation of Intel stuff ......

thanks, my daughter is looking.

I looked up when I got my last box from your rec... 2020
quite happy with it, although I did double the ram.
can't beat getting a free computer with every copy of windows software.

I am a creature of my past habits ......

I know WiFi can do it all now-a-days ----- but all my existing devices were older hard wired LAN networking stuff and I am all out of plug in LAN connections again.

I find that I can buy me a $250 8 connection un-monitored self contained gigabyte rated LAN switch for the low low price of $19 right now,

www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A121WN6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UT...

Some of the home connection services I have looked at lately only have one (1) wired LAN connection jack (and I did not go that route because of this lack).

I think highly of the reliability and the security of wired LAN connections, so I will put the 8 new LAN jacks on the floor behind my desk and have the 4 LAN jacks (with 2 remaining open) on the back of the Spectrum box for supporting my wife's desk.

Happiness is a fully wired house ......

Intel dumps off on next year's plans for improved Intel processors.

The 2 angstrom and 1.2 angstrom Intel processor family plans are officially and formally dumped now.   All the promised special generations of 7nm stuff is either done, or else considered water over the dam or else are being subsumed in Intel's endless round of BS name changes.

They were BS anyway, as the Intel 10nm (alias 3.0 angstrom) has already run its paces (and did it somewhat poorly) and the 1.2 angstrom never will be as Intel had dumped off all development on it earlier this  year in favor of TSMC 3nm (which BTW still hasn't happened in hard reality).

So we are left with another "same same" refresh for this year.

Intel (next year) hopes to make up some bogus claims for Intel cores run off TSMC 3nm next year as everyone else will be running TSMC 3nm ++ when Intel runs their first 3nm gen 1 batches.  Intel is choking on their own design's gate all around issues and has failed to ship test lots already promised to their vendor base.

AMD is currently doing preliminary vendor work on some gate all around 2nm Samsung cores as their up and coming smaller cores right now as AMD works through the various gate all around teething issues on the newer lithography levels.  

AMD has TSMC 3nm + in production as their current big cores with 3nm++ starting late this year.  Intel will be trying to go TSMC 3mn while AMD is moving to 2nm inside that same year.

AMD is doing well using "stacking a layer of memory" on top of their chipsets, as throughput is greatly increased although the resulting conjoined current draw is going up and the "lidded by memory chip set excess heating and cooling" is becoming more of an issue.  

Intel had earlier promulgated a bunch of heavy duty CPU cooling tricks that AMD is starting to use now.

With the recent strong decline in the US Dollar it is all becoming so very very expensive, so much so that us old retired people will likely never see any of it ......


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Another market that Intel started that is no longer competitive in --- and Intel has just dumped it off completely due to no sales ....... the NUC.

NUC (Next Unit of Computing) as a class or style has a healthy market in Asia, but nothing competitive is coming from Intel at all now, so it gets the axe from Intel at the end of this month.

Interesting point from ASUS   Although Intel is dumping out of the NUC market at the end of this month ASUS feels that the NUC market segment itself is still sound.  

https://liliputing.com/asus-will-make-sell-and-support-nuc-systems-after-inte...

ASUS feels that new competitive NUC units using new Intel processors will continue to come out in this NUC market segment, not being driven by Intel per se but driven by ASUS and other active competitors using both AMD and ARM and Intel chipsets.


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Intel still sells a lot of finished box computers using older technology.   Gamers tend to be state of the art, and are buying more and more AMD lately.

Intel still sells the majority of the tech that is available to be purchased by us common people in finished forms.

So, Intel still supplies 70-75% of the processors that are being sold.

Beelink continues to innovate in the NUC space with AMD Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9 processors with built in gaming graphics.




The AMD 65 watt processor's heat is removed using a laptop style vapor chamber, something Intel did first but it wasn't enough to handle Intel's higher heat output capacities.

Beelink can run off an AMD APU style combined processor, running BOTH the processor and the video system off the same vapor chamber heat sink.







Massive improvements already announced will come for this rig next year .......

I just finished reading my feeds and stuff ........   Intel is wounded and isn't doing very well.

Intel is renaming everything that they are keeping yet again (a common Intel reaction when they are going to be non-competitive for a bit).

AMD is caught out by having NO COMPETITOR at this point in time.   Literally, AMD is only competing against its own last generation of stuff which is comparable to Intel's best at this point in time.

AMD's plans are being upgraded by their AMD mainframe chiplet's progress simply reading through to the consumer processors by osmosis.

AMD isn't pushing big little as a main focus, but it is indeed coming due to mainframe chiplet osmosis.

AMD had said big little wasn't coming to desktop chips this year, but it is indeed coming to laptop chipsets starting Q4 this year.   I don't pretend to understand exactly what AMD is saying, exactly, but 4c chiplets will still have two threads like the big boy cores of today and will have similar speed ranges to the current main AMD gen 4 cores.

One is forced to ASSume lithography changes between gen 4 (5 and 4nm) and gen 5 (3 and 2mn) will be massive enough to cover this discrepancy and have it all make sense.  

TSMC and Samsung as different vendors are reading through at this time, somehow.

Gen 5 starts shipping in full production levels next year with a big increase in core counts per the same size socket/processor chip sizes.

How many cores,  you ask?    20 state of the art PC cores and up ...... 32 has been mentioned for Ryzen 9 (or Ryzen 12 if you are using proper rumor speak for that generation).

The rumored AMD APU stuff from earlier this year is indeed shipping right now, with the  included gaming level graphics and somewhat significant internal AI processor support that was just rumored stuff this spring.

Here comes the Intel Raptor Lake Refresh, complete with brand new BS Intel marketing lies while using the same out of date lithography as used in the last 4 years.

Intel isn't going to win with this one, too little and too late to compete against superior AMD products already flooding the market place.

But this is good, as within a quarter prices will drop yet again due to Intel competition for market share.

Intel serves to keep AMD honest, which is backwards to how it used to work.  Mebbe we simply say they take turns keeping the other one honest ...... this will work unchanged going forward.

Yes, Intel will rack up a few blue bars on the big graph that I keep showing you.  Each time you get a blue bar you get another red bar that beats up on it, so you see the two competing in fine details getting better over time.

Look to see Intel increasing core counts with lots of 1 thread only Intel small cores.

AMD will counter this with their own small cores (2 threads each) in the future, but right now AMD is moving itself based on thread count equity, not excess amounts of power sucking little cores ---- each AMD core is always worth two threads and all the Intel littles are only worth one thread.  

Still on the larger side of things Intel is walking away with over 20 threads and we are promised even bigger thread counts from both parties in the future.

It would be really nice if sofware actually used all these threads, games for example really can't use over 4 threads effectively right now.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CBQ77ZWN/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?i...



https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CBQ77ZWN/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?i...

I have been reading up a bit about these little Beelink gaming boxes and how they get marked down at Amazon all the time.  

Some actually become quite good deals during the later well marked down "change over" to a new generation with the older units moving down to half price or thereabouts simply to get them out of the way.  

This is my ~ half price ~ 8 core 16 thread Ryzen 7 unit at $352 after taxes.

OK, let's find out if it works out OK  -----  i.e. I bought me a little AMD APU box, an 8 core 16 thread Ryzen 7 box with a 1 terabyte SSD and 16 gigs of DDR4 memory for $352.

This is less money than a decent video card costs.

It will run Linux Mint supposedly and actually comes with Windows 11 actually completely installed new in the box.   I was surprised, pleasantly.  

But I know in my heart Mickysoft will screw me over and piss me off soon enough.

Just like the last box I bought, I will send it back to Amazon if it turns into a pain in the ass like the last one did.  I have better expectations of a good result on this Beelink box, I do believe.

I will withhold all enthusiastic knee jerking until it completely proves out to be a good thing .......