I'm an IT professional and use a desktop at home, and always will.  I'm frankly puzzled when I hear a coworker say they only use a phone at home for all their computing needs.  I cannot stand phone apps for the most part.  If I want to browse Amazon or Home Depot, I need a browser and a keyboard.  I guess those people use their work laptop to compose letters and such, but I'm not willing to do that.  I can't stand using the phone keyboard for serious e-mail discussions.  I was more or less 50/50 Windows/Linux since the WWW became a thing but decided to give a Mac Mini with the M1 chip a try about 3 years ago.  I love the thing and can only think of a handful of things about the OS that bug me.  Yes, Windows has tons of shortcut and right-mouse convenience items built in, but MacOS isn't *that* different.  It was definitely influenced by Windows innovations.    I guess the one thing that bugs me is not being able to hit the Delete key with a file highlighted to trash it.  So, instead of being a fierce loyalist to either MacOS, Linux, or Windows, I use all 3.  Windows bugs the crap out of me in many ways, especially the time it takes to start up and patch it.  MacOS starts up fast and patches nicely.  Linux starts up really fast, and the patching is unobtrusive, but you often have to ask for patches instead of having them pushed automatically.  I used Mac heavily around 1990 at work for a couple years, but the things were too expensive for me for home use at the time.

It was an easy prediction for me to make 3 months ago.

Intel is indeed throwing over all their processor naming conventions and is RENAMING everything according to a phony baloney new naming system.

Why?  Because it is really  the same old Intel big 10nm and 7nm lithography stuff as the last two years (within an 8% testing variance).   It does have a bigger on the top layer of memory cache, which is where the 8% improvement actually comes from (if the theoretical improvement indeed makes a solid appearance in subsequent real production runs).

Intel is going to focus on tuning several processors out of their line up and tune them very very carefully with AI sub-components and make all Intel advertising claims for the entire new line based upon them.

Why?   AMD just did a generation increase and is already as good or better that the "fake it until you make it" new Intel stuff.  

Intel cheats, so expect a wave of BS cheating to take place soon.



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We have a lot of change coming up on both Intel and AMD sides.  BIG changes are coming up early next year then again later on in the year as well.  

We expect more processor core counts from both sides, but we also expect the cores from AMD to continue to pull two threads per core even on the littles, pull a LOT less power on the littles and have low cost low power variants that are built up of 100% littles as lithography shrinks and other improvements make the these new littles functionally equivalent to the old Bigs.  

Intel will change their naming starting now, but will take until 2025 to ring in any TSMC made chiplets (if they ever get them made).

Rumor now says that TSMC has yield issues on their 3nm second gen and because of this poor yield there is no production capacity at TSMC to support Intel in 2025.  

NONE, AT ALL.

AMD and Apple get their sizeable prepaid allocation of chips from Taiwan facilities, but Intel gets bupkiss as Intel cancelled their TSMC allocations and did not pre-pay for their chips.

Intel may have been counting on Biden's compute America plan to get them TSMC chips from the new TSMC Arizona facilities, but this ran afoul of TSMC losing interest in dumping even more megabucks into American facilities that can't even get themselves built on time.

This Biden Compute America plan did not pan out in reality.

WHAT'S NEW

TSMC and Apple are shifting down from 3rd gen 3nm to the first release 2nm for next year's state of the art production chipsets.

3nm had performance issues with all three of its corrected iterations, with lower speeds and throughputs actually making it out of the gate each time.

ASML is catching grief from TSMC and from Intel who had purchased one of each of the ASML scanner generations but never followed through on bulk multi line purchases (as did both TSMC and Samsung).

FinFET is completely done now, everything will be ribbon FET or gate all around on all items going forward.


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Intel is talking future plans again.   Having just dumped their last major set of announced future plans due to "being overcome by events" Intel is planning on leveraging multiple AI subchips to try to make up for their current lacks vs AMD/TSMC which is running at some much improved lithography levels relative to Intel.

Intel is planning on making AI sub-chips for everybody as Intel sees separate AI chiplets for each particular need as being more efficient to make and assemble at the substrate level.   Intel as a vendor is working on being able to assemble various sized chiplets from everybody/anybody in their assembly plants.

Intel is building a long term plan that is actually based on China making some big assed moves and actually taking over Taiwan's TSMC.

TSMC continues to make progress on getting "dispersed geographically" by local plants in Arizona and Germany.  These plants are early functional at 5nm now and will start up a version of 3nm soon.

2nm is coming to TSMC starting next year, and it has a completely different gate all around tech base to it.

I would suggest holding off a year or so until the next waves settle in, and then PLEASE DO NOT BUY AN OLD STYLE BIG BOX WITH AN EXPENSIVE GRAPHICS CARD as that is very much past tense technology now-a-days.

APUs from AMD and Intel are the things to study up on before buying.  Yep, the little box stuff that I just bought into.

TSMC/AMD has fully matured the little box tech that I just purchased and Intel is working on their version of equivalent tech that will be flying under their new Ultra brand name.  

Powerful laptop type APUs (graphics in the CPU) are the future which is being pursued by everybody (AMD, Intel and Apple).

News from 3 days later ----- AMD core counts are all going to DOUBLE in next years planned ZEN 5 for the exact same socket size due to lithography increases and some layout changes of the newer smaller 4c style lithography cores.  

At the same time Intel will be going to using new augmented AI chiplet based FOVEROS stacked formats, so expect the core count deal to become quite murky and confusing for any new Intel products.

In addition to the main desktop family, AMD is also said to introduce its Cezanne and Phoenix APUs for desktop platforms. These APUs will utilize the 7nm and 4nm process nodes, respectively. AMD's APUs have been AWOL from the desktop segment for a long time now. It is not confirmed if these APUs will hit DIY availability or remain an OEM-only products. The chips will share the same specs as their mobile counterparts with a mix of Zen 3 + Vega for Cezanne & Zen 4 + RDNA 3 for Phoenix APUs.


This confirms the information presented in the last two posts .......  

Yes indeed  AMD APU chipsets are indeed coming to desktops.   However, TSMC 3nm is not yet available for AMD products just yet, it is all allocated to Apple with nothing much for AMD in 2024 and nothing at all for Intel until 2025 at the soonest.

Look to see Samsung attempt to snatch some volume out of this TSMC "bobbled the ball big fumble" mess.


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Wednesday, 10-18-23

Morris Chang of TSMC makes a fairly clear statement that TSMC will not bail out Intel, ever, and that Intel's recent announced TSMC plans were all BS they made up from whole cloth while Intel was busy claiming that TSMC technology was "Intel technology".

Chang also says everyone's plans for 2nm were "optimistic" and all players will stay on 3-4 nm or higher for the near future.

Morris plans to build all new chip fabs going forward in Taiwan as the cost of construction is far far lower.

Intel states that they did buy some new generation ASML machines (one per generation) and once they figure them out they will make some production chips on them.

China still looks to be planning on invading Taiwan  ......    When this happens it all goes up in the air and Samsung will be left holding the best cards for future dominance.

just changed over from dsl to 5G wifi big  difference

https://liliputing.com/lilbits-killing-windows-10-in-2025-could-turn-millions...

Well, you heard it here first --- MS strikes out at its user base again in 2025.

Microsoft plans to continue supporting Windows 10 through 2025, after which the company expects users to move to Windows 11 (or Windows 12, if you believe the rumors). But if you have an older PC, you might not be able to upgrade the operating system due to stricter system requirements for Windows 11.

And that means that hundreds of millions of computers that are still perfectly usable could stop receiving software and security updates in a few years, making it increasingly risky to continue using them. Sure, some folks might use that as an excuse to upgrade to newer hardware… but the Public Interest Research Group (or PIRG), is calling on Microsoft to extend the support date for Windows 10 so that users aren’t forced to choose between sacrificing security or buy a new PC, effectively turning their existing hardware into eWaste.[/color]

Linux Mint would allow you to continue using your perfectly good hardware, as will several others after they figure it all out when it gets here.

Wow, it's a poppin' all over the place now.   Folks are treating this like a big deal, so likely it is both important and powerful enough to make it big news.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/21111/amd-unveils-ryzen-7040u-series-with-zen-...

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/amd-starts-bringing-its-own-tiny-cpu-...

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amds-tiny-zen-4c-cores-come-t...


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I have also noted whenever Intel is doing a "regroup"  (i.e. shipping the same stuff as last year with a new naming scheme) that AMD takes a small breather and tries to clean up their on their own "off stuff" while it remains clearly superior to what Intel is shipping.  

This current "regroup" sees AMD shipping a whole lot of 4c cores without the new memory layer on top of them that was planned originally to bulk up the 4c processor's throughput.   The memory cap layer isn't required because Intel is actually shipping 2 year old processor designs ...... and the AMD 4c is still equal or better than Intel's standard mainframe offerings right now.

Intel's next "improvement" due out the end of this year is to jack up their processor speeds to 6 ghz for just a very mild increase in throughput.  The cost to the consumer is 24% increase in processor wattage and associated increased cooling costs due to the extra heat this produces.  

Service life of these chipsets is getting shorter and reviewers are beginning to the track failure rates on these new pushed Intel processors during standard burn in tests.