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Re: Computing in 2023
Reply #90 - 11/04/23 at 11:18:45
 

Once again, AMD/TSMC will only design and make up a new style of chiplet with carefully designed new features aimed at taking care of AMD's mainframe applications at new levels of optimum power and efficiency.  

This joint AMD/TSMC effort will include CPU, AI and GPU functions at "an optimum for mainframe" mixture.

Then, over the next year the chiplet then migrates over and through the mobile and the desktop uses, picking up various tunings and refinements as the finished chips are developed.

Each Zen generation lasts a little over 2 years, so we are at the beginning of the Zen 5 generation, so expect this development and refinement cycle to start over again.

What keys this repeated development pattern is a TSMC lithography shift to a smaller TSMC lithography.   Since TSMC failed to make their next lithography shift to 2nm happen on time, look to at least a half year delay in the pattern.

Intel has competitively LOST during the last 4 match ups with AMD, and quite honestly Intel has aborted or punted and simply renamed everything during the last two development match ups between the companies.


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Also, Apple and their needs take production scheduling precedence over AMD's needs, so until Apple turns loose of the 3nm gen 3 lines and moves successfully down to 2nm gen 1 you should certainly expect further delays of AMD's new future layers of good stuff.
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Re: Computing in 2023
Reply #91 - 11/08/23 at 17:21:21
 

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/179xw2w/gamer_nexus_intel_is_desperat...

And I join in with the fanboy chorus ---- this Intel current release does not even compete with AMD's last release, much less what has come out of development since then.

You gotta read on down the stream of comments --- very revealing since these are ostensibly a bunch of Intel fanboys saying this stuff.

Hold on to your money for a bit as Intel is going on super sale yet again real soon ......


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AMD has just stated corporately that AMD will not follow Intel into hyperwatt territory just to make up some bogus processor speeds.

Instead, AMD is agreeing with some large ranking standards bodies out of mainframe land that base themselves on measuring throughput vs watts draw (i.e. processor efficiency) saying this is the way processors should be ranked.

This flies in the face of GAMING, which is all about speed -- no matter how super hot it gets or how ridiculously inefficient it becomes.

Here is the gaming rub, games really only need JUST ONE (1) really fast core to complement the fast graphics card outputs so the rest of the CPU cores could well be processor efficiency cores such as the AMD 4c and 5c cores.  It is still rare for a game to actually  use more than 2 cores for most popular gaming titles.

This should not be hard for AMD or Intel to arrange to do since they control the specs and sorting levels on their chiplets .......

I also like the thought that the AMD cores could all be 5c cores, except one would carry an extra memory layer and would be the designated the one fast one for gaming.  

Or an AI augmented chiplet could provide the one very fast core for dedicated gaming, doing it either way would work jest fine.

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Re: Computing in 2023
Reply #92 - 11/10/23 at 08:21:12
 

https://wccftech.com/amd-intel-laptop-cpu-detailed-ryzen-8000-strix-hawk-poin...

Read with a grain of salt as Intel will have to again drop entire generations as they become overcome by events.

TSMC isn't currently having anything to do with Intel since Intel never bought nor paid for any TSMC production allocations and had failed to execute their previous 3 plans that involved TSMC.   Instead Intel was trusting in Joe Biden to give Intel access to the TSMC 5mn lines that still have not been built yet here in America.

Joe's grand 5nm plan is a grand failure, and it is taking Intel down with it.

The entire Biden 5nm TSMC plan completely fell apart when Joe failed to supply the rest of the big plan's money, causing severe damage to Intel as they had already committed and paid their own design resources into that plan.  

AMD never got caught up in that Biden mess as they were not invited in, instead AMD continues to work with TSMC and Samsung on a more conservative "self-financed" roadmap that is still purring along at 4nm and soon to be purring along into the 3nm lithography levels.

This is all going to be gate all around embedded ribbon tech on all of the new Samsung processors.   TSMC is working on changing over to gate all around for all their 2nm stuff, but is a mixed bag at 3nm and has yield issues that need fixing.

Samsung is taking market share from TSMC accordingly as they have figured out gate all around and are pretty good at it now.


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In 2024 AMD will be building AMD chiplet wafers using Samsung 4nm and TSMC 3nm gen 1 and TSMC 3nm gen 2 chiplets with TSMC's gen 3 pending on Apple's releasing those production lines as they roll on down to TSMC 2nm production.   These TSMC assembled and finished AMD chipsets will be assembled into AMD 8000 and 9000 products using current AMD gen 4, 4c and gen 5 and 5c formats.  

AMD will now start competing head to head with Apple, Qualcomm  and others since Intel is completely sidelined right now and is no longer an innovative force at this time.

Intel is again floating more new vague "grand plans to make AI their competitive edge"  ..... sadly a not very realistic pathway compared to AMD's pathway to say the least.

Qualcomm and Microsoft are currently signalling they want to produce ARM based processors specifically tuned to their particular market segments.  Qualcomm is consumer aimed, Microsoft is mainframe aimed.
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Re: Computing in 2023
Reply #93 - 11/19/23 at 20:56:00
 

Report on the Bee-link mini-PC project

In rolling into a more full use of the little PC I found I needed more USB 3.0 connection points than what came stock with the little box.

I looked at powered USB 3.0 hubs for several months now and saw this new 7 hole smart box pop up and I began watching the reviews as they came in week on week.  

A flaw in the Amazon review system is that all reviews for a given brand name get lumped in together, so past issues from early models become attributed to the replacement new products that do not deserve them.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C7NPK3DF?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1


Clearly it has more ports, more flexible ports and FAR BETTER ACTUAL CURRENT REVIEWS than any of the others I have seen.   It does not drain the battery of your tablet or your phone which is why most folks buy it.

Having gotten mine, I can say it installs flawlessly and has not failed in any fashion after weeks of use.

It does Windows, and Apple and Android tablets seamlessly so far without draining the batteries or "glitching out" on me.   All of the connections are rock solid and do not go "intermittent contact" on you as many of the competitor products have done.  

Intermittent due to non-solid connection (or excessive power draw) = resets the device and loses the last execution = VERY BAD NEWS

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There is no software installation required nor any drivers to screw around with -- it just plugs up securely and works just fine.

These are all early on reviews, so extended time will tell the tale on long term durability as it always does.



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General Warning
on using powered USB ports --- don't turn on more devices than your little plugged in power supply brick can reliably support.

Each lightning marked USB 3.0 connection can pull up to 1.4 amps and the little plug in brick can stop "giving reliable power" after installing 2-3 real power sucking USB devices.  Identify those items that pass data only (do not draw power) and plug them into the top 3 positions leaving the bottom 4 positions for things that draw juice as well as pass on data.

If you think you have a power draw down issue turn off what you are not using at the moment (kill the blue ring around the plugged in ports using the off/on button by each connection) to troubleshoot for this rather common lack of power issue.

If you identify a repeated power sucking condition with a device, then intentionally move it over to a separate plug in charger and a separate electrical socket, thus keeping it from fouling up all the rest of your stuff.

Doing this power management trick routinely and automatically is a good general idea for those folks using the little Bee-link boxes.


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Wife saw me installing my USB power strip and decided she wanted one as it was just too cute and useful not to have one.

It goes along with her new 27" LG monitor for Christmas.   She was feeling neglected and unloved (technologically).  

Bad, when your wife feels neglected ,,,,,,

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So the new USB box is woman tested and approved, in other words ......

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Re: Computing in 2023
Reply #94 - 11/22/23 at 07:13:09
 

Can Intel come back ?????

Yes, if they could insert their 1.8nm lithography plan into full production motion BEFORE the others hit their 3nm production slots in 2024-25.

This ain't gonna happen .......

Right now Intel is over a year (in some cases two years) behind in their plans and they were days late and dollars short on their stopgap use of TSMC 3nm tiles that were absolutely critical to set up to execute the early stages of that plan series.

The grandiose plans for building domestic 5nm Fab plants in both Germany and USA have shuddered to a halt --- the money is needed right for replacement ammo to go fight wars here and there.

Saying that Intel's use of AI components will replace a series of several missed lithography shrink levels is pretty much vacuous BS, BUT who has ever said Intel is simply full of BS recently?

Me, for one .......
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Re: Computing in 2023
Reply #95 - 11/22/23 at 19:36:38
 

Intel is two years behind the leaders.  Intel is losing market share right now by every external measurement.

Ryzen 7 is now outperforming the Core i9, which prompts the recent Intel squid ink move of remaming everything all over again.

Intel is faced with 3 generations of AMD out on the market right now, all of which being superior to Intel's products,  so Intel is now faced with currently making a product nobody really wants.

Qualcomm is an up and coming Intel competitor in laptops.   AMD is an ongoing Intel competitor in laptops and desktop PC and in mainframe.  Microsoft is an up and coming Intel competitor in mainframes.  

Sucks to be Intel at the moment, huh?

Intel can't win an upper level spot in anybody's ranking unless they cheat on the test significantly.    Really, really cheat ......

Ryzen 7 is $200-$300 cheaper than Intel at each same same competitive levels  ......  and AMD is getting cheaper month on month.  

This figure assumes like to like core counts between Ryzen 7 and Core i7 so when you actually compare the real functionality to functionality the price gap jumps up an additional $200 or so.  

You are then pricing Core i9 against Ryzen 7 if you go functionality to functionality.

How can Ryzen 7 (8 cores, 16 threads) be beating up on Core i9 at 24 cores 16 threads) ?????   Ryzen 7 is made up of chiplets that are built on more modern lithography and the top of the assembled CPU is a layer of fast access memory.   Intel is monolithic a construction and is quite expensive compared to AMD's chiplets.

Out of the 8 cores available, AMD has tweeked and tuned several cores specifically to do gaming and another pair of cores to do general processing at greater than normal throughput levels.  

Intel is hampered by HUGE SIZE and much lower throughput per chiplet.

Intel is actually better at building contractual lock in agreements and managing a herd of lawyers to sue their customers if they go elsewhere for their chips.
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Re: Computing in 2023
Reply #96 - 11/25/23 at 19:53:59
 

Linux suddenly has a widespread audio issue.   Widespread choppy audio is showing up all over the place and the fix isn't brainless easy either.

PulseAudio was the "go to default" for decades, now it is glitching and studdering on just about all Linux distros.

LiveWire (PulseAudio alternative) is not a total fix as it too has some current issues coming from the same root causes.

I find that using Brave browser avoids all these issues --- this is a clue boys, so fix your software issues or lose your market share very quickly ......

Various gurus are working on it now and they are finding issues with "AI helpers constantly affecting Linux configurations" as AI seems to be constantly re-tuning things, which results in the glitch.  

Brave browser does not allow AI nor does it allow ads all over the place, so the old audio softwares still work just fine.

+1 for the Brave browser .....


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After 5 days now I installed the latest batch of Linux system support patches and the audio issues all went away everywhere.      Roll Eyes

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Amazing, ain't it ?????

As of Dec. 11, audio issues have stayed gone, but the YouTube Adblock censorship as done by Google has come back into force twice now and after 1 week of plaguing us all it is removed by Firefox folks again (third rotation right now).

Google is making no friends anywhere due to cutting lots of people off from YouTube content while the Brave browser is proving itself immune from Google's intentional inflicted gyrations.   Firefox browser is Not Immune, but reacts to return to normal functionality fairly quickly, and after about one week of "fixing things" Firefox goes back to normal until the next wave of Google mess comes through.
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Re: Computing in 2023
Reply #97 - 11/25/23 at 20:05:21
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk0IjhM2UBY

This is a "breaking news" site telling you some of the things that I told you months ago,
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Re: Computing in 2023
Reply #98 - 11/28/23 at 13:01:55
 

MORE NEWS

We got Intel now admitting they cannot make the lithography changes that are needed within the timeframe that is required.

Intel is going to be putting out billions to TSMC to pre-buy allocations for TSMC 4nm and 3nm for late next year.

Intel correctly thinks if they don't move the needle some within the next calendar year, they may get overcome by events permanently.

But, by biting the TSMC cost bullet they can indeed compete with AMD and Apple and maintain their market position.

This will signal a new wave of real competition if it indeed takes place ......

Intel has got the funds to go buy these chips based upon current sales.   Intel has the money and TSMC has the wafers Intel needs available now because Apple sales have tanked of late.

Look to see Intel attempt to lock AMD out of the same wafers that AMD needs to keep their momentum going.
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Re: Computing in 2023
Reply #99 - 12/02/23 at 06:06:10
 

Oh Golly Gee ......

Intel intends to bring to market some 32 core chipsets for desktop PC products ......

Linux might be able to use these sorts of core counts, but Microsoft products currently cannot in reality, no way.   There is currently a 4 core "concurrent functional maximum usage" built into the current MS operating systems for PC  .....  

(Windows 12 may fix this limitation for Intel if the Wintel boys can figure out all the details).

Intel is pumping balloon juice, in other words.   You breathe it in and then you talk all high and squeaky until you talk it all out.
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Re: Computing in 2023
Reply #100 - 12/03/23 at 14:41:17
 

Ok, Intel has exposed their competitive path forward into the future.

They will compete by conglomerating "tiles" (e.i. chiplets) using TSMC tech and their own native Intel tech (which is extremely similar) to put various sorts of chiplets together as needed.

They will use existing Intel production lithography for all their big cores and will buy different kinds of small cores from TSMC and Samsung "as needed" in the short term.  

Intel's efforts at 1.8 angstrom level chiplets will continue until they are overcome by events (about 2 years from now).

Intel will make a whole lot of heat by using a lot of larger lithography (slower) chiplets that will get overclocked mightily to make some extra throughput ......

24-32 cores from Intel is coming.   Get used to the idea.

AMD historically can use smaller counts of better, more modern lithography cores capped with an extra layer of memory to achieve the same (or better) results.

AI is becoming commonly used as a tie breaker by both companies.   AMD Hawkpoint chipsets emphasize the use of AMD's improved AI as software finally begins using AI as a feature point.

Intel still lists AI as one their main features, but have not improved it much in the last two generations.   Intel system uses primarily as Intel does not use AI standards, really.

Intel's currently announced plans are getting better, though.   It is still 2 generations back to AMD/TSMC but it is still making progress (in declaring better plans anyway) and for Intel that is "getting better".

AMD announces real shipped improvements to real production while Intel just announces "improvement plans" that seem to all get "overcome by events" before Intel has to ship any of them .......

Apple is just now shipping samples of TSMC 2nm to vendors so they can work out their drivers, etc.

"Intel is 2 years out from 1.8 angstrom" ......   yeah, right.

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(.... Pass me that helium balloon, please --- I needs me some more squeaky voice Intel balloon juice)
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Re: Computing in 2023
Reply #101 - 12/16/23 at 00:22:55
 

Ryzen 8000 APUs have really just shipped early and as I thought they indeed do not require a graphics card for gaming.

Watch NVIDIA start to roll away from consumer space into mostly mainframe stuff accordingly ........  Do note that AMD's discrete graphics cards will suffer right along with NVIDIA as the AMD APUs will kill their own graphics cards business right along with both Intel and NVIDIA separate graphics card products.

Intel's new Meteor Lake stuff for next year already is not competitive to the AMD 7000 stuff currently in full production, much less the AMD 8000 APU samples just shipped by AMD.


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AMD has also just announced Ryzen 9000 APUs that late this year will wipe the floor with Intel's best promises  yet again .......

Intel still remains two-3 generations back, in other words,
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Re: Computing in 2023
Reply #102 - 12/20/23 at 20:46:30
 

AMD right now is shipping >100 chipsets to each one Intel ships (according to enthusiast market data from Germany).  The Ryzen 7 family makes up the bulk of what AMD is shipping by far.

Intel still has a contractual lock on major retail PC boxes that is unchanged.  The same old stuff is rolling out of Intel into those old style locked in boxes that Joe and Rita Sixpack are continuing to buy from Walmart and Best Buy.  

The main flow of PC boxes will not change until Intel makes a new generation with real significant changes.

AMD has developed new generation 4c and 5c based chiplets that let them build 198 core mainframe chipsets that simply cannot be beat.

Same chiplets let AMD rule in "energy efficient" PC space as well.   Laptops and mini-boxes will all use the 5c class of chipsets, chipsets that swing enough graphics power to play AAA games off the built in graphics systems.

I used to think these original 4c things must have had some sort of teething issues, but since I have learned their 25% decrease in performance was quite intentional on AMD's part as these 4c and 5c chiplets are physically half as big as the old full power chiplets used to be.   They sip half the energy as well.  The 5c next gen of small chiplets showed a more total focus on mainframe energy efficiency while actually doing the same amount of work when populated to use roughly similar amounts of energy.

People are now beginning to group things according to energy consumed vs throughput levels achieved (the mainframe methodology) rather that by max watts (the old Intel methodology).

Look to see new metrics arise that judge throughput per watt as their main comparison thing.  

Intel will resist the new metrics as they totally suck at efficiency.
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Reply #103 - 12/24/23 at 06:12:50
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BICuEALqBEA

OK, you gotta stop and watch this YouTube clip to learn what is happening right now in computing.

AI chiplets are the secret sauce that will make AMD victorious over the next 2 years.

AMD/Xylinx invented and in some eyes owns AI relative to poor old Intel right now.   NVIDIA still does better than Intel, but AMD arguably has a better footprint in mainframe space right now so they have more moves to be able to make in mainframe space.

AMD APUs are currently slowly taking over the consumer graphics card space by simply removing the need to have a dedicated GPU card.  

AMD is still moving to shut out the competition in mainframe space.

COMPETITION IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENT.    Hey Intel, having had to wait 2 years to start competing means you will likely lose ......
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Reply #104 - 12/24/23 at 07:40:36
 

Intel apparently believes that China will shut down Taiwan inside the next 2 years.

Intel has supposedly ordered 6 ASML production systems to make 2nm chiplets here in the USA.   Delivery of these units is scattered over the next 2 years .......

Fun, huh ?????


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TSMC is also "geographically diversifying" by setting up new plants in the USA and in Europe that will include 2nm (1.8 angstrom) product build capability.   Apple and AMD and others are booking (pre-paying) production on these not yet completed plants .......


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AI chiplets are now announced as "big stuff" for AMD and AI chiplets are coming up strong in Intel's future plans.   Intel doesn't have one of their own, but they can buy whatever AI they need as various AI chiplets are for sale from their major competitors ......
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