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batman Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 3806 osceola new york Gender:	Re: Clutch Cable / Arm Reply #15 - 04/11/17 at 20:22:47 Norm ,batman doesn't fly ,you must be thinking of superman.
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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 17827 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Clutch Cable / Arm Reply #16 - 04/12/17 at 02:38:11 norm92de wrote on 04/11/17 at 13:27:39: Justin, I don't know, but My guess is that the middle length is stock. 45.5mm. Here is some good informational reading: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1246935676/0
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Re: Clutch Cable / Arm
Reply #17 - 04/12/17 at 04:03:48

verslagen1 wrote on 04/09/17 at 14:59:08:
I've assumed that you just took up the slack in the cable and not disengaged the clutch?
disk wear, arm goes down
rod wear, arm goes up

Loooong process in a few sentences:
- I have had the clutch completely disassembled, while I had the engine apart anyway for replacement of rocker arms and camshaft.
- I cleaned and carefully lapped the clutch plates, checking that they are still within spec's.
- Assembled the clutch
- Few days back I put the clutch cover back on and wanted to install a new clutch cable.
- When I grab the lever arm and lift it up to put the cable on, the lever goes up a lot higher than I expected it to. This it what is shown on the photo I tried to attach.

I did not expect this to happen, and I would assume that with thinner plates the lever should go downwards, if anything, and not upwards.
This prompted me to make this post in order to hear any ideas of what I could/should check before I either order some new pins or make one myself.

PS.
I used to be able to link to photos in my Dropbox, but it seems this BB no longer parses the link or something...
Any ideas on how I can show you some photos? Huh

PPS.
You can see all the photos I have taken of the work I've done during the winter in this folder. The very last (so far) photo is the one I tried showing in the first post.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kwreqplwwbcngxj/AAA2xczWMY96BHtPkQWtww-9a?dl=0

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Re: Clutch Cable / Arm
Reply #18 - 04/12/17 at 04:52:42

Mekh:

Since the lever is pulled upward to move the plates apart and release the clutch.....it would seem logical that thinner plates would cause the lever to move downward. This theory is also supported by the fact that as clutch plates wear....the slack in the cable goes away (lever moving down). Since the clutch is pushed apart by the internal rod - a shorter rod is required as the clutch wears.

This does seem to go against what the other posts have indicated.....it seems the common problem is the lever moving too far upward as the clutch (or rod) wears. I need to go read through the clutch thread and get a butter understanding of how the clutch works on this bike....as it seems the wear is "backwards" to logic. I do remember when I have a clutch apart and sitting in my hands I can reason through what is happening - but at the moment I am just a bit confused about it.

Here is a long thread on the issue....at the moment I can't read through it all (busy at work).
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1270678838/0

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Mekh Full Member Offline Suzuki Savage Rocks! Posts: 128 Denmark Gender:	Re: Clutch Cable / Arm Reply #19 - 04/12/17 at 05:14:12 My simplified understanding of it is: - Pulling the lever up, pushes the pin in and thereby the plates apart, which sort-of equals thicker plates. - Thinner plates should then push out the pin, which pushes DOWN the lever. Which is the opposite of what I'm seeing here.
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Reply #20 - 04/12/17 at 05:20:09

Just-an-idea:

Say I have grinded the plates and thereby "raised" the surface of the plates, making them somewhat "hairy".
When I measure the thickness of the plates, this is done on a comparatively small area, so may compress the "hairyness".
While when the clutch have to compress the "hairyness" it is over a very large area, which could mean it cannot compress them as much.

This resulting in some relatively thick plates, until first run/use?

Does this sound plausible and/or make sense? Huh

PS.
Please excuse my English/American, not my native language so sometimes have to use some descriptive words instead

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norm92de Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1180 El Paso TX Gender:	Re: Clutch Cable / Arm Reply #21 - 04/12/17 at 05:59:26 Mekh, You don't have to apologize for your English. Which is excellent by the way.
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Re: Clutch Cable / Arm
Reply #22 - 04/12/17 at 07:58:07

The process is; open the picture in the browser, right click and copy image location, goto the place where you want the pic, click

, place the cursor between the 2 brackets "][" (should automatically be there) and paste the pic location.

Warning, this will be the original size, preferred size is either 640... or 800... there are size controls in the location, so play with those to resize.

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Mekh Full Member Offline Suzuki Savage Rocks! Posts: 128 Denmark Gender:	Re: Clutch Cable / Arm Reply #23 - 04/12/17 at 12:42:47 I have been looking at drawings in Clymers and been thinking and I really cannot see what I could possibly have assembled wrong... but pretty sure I must have done something wrong. Any and all ideas are more than welcome.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28780 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Clutch Cable / Arm Reply #24 - 04/12/17 at 12:53:02 Mekh wrote on 04/12/17 at 12:42:47: I have been looking at drawings in Clymers and been thinking and I really cannot see what I could possibly have assembled wrong... but pretty sure I must have done something wrong. Awe sh!t there's an error in that. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1119775997 Scroll down to #10
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Mekh Full Member Offline Suzuki Savage Rocks! Posts: 128 Denmark Gender:	Re: Clutch Cable / Arm Reply #25 - 04/12/17 at 13:12:35 hmmm, guess I have to take it apart and check it all... sigh Although, will that error change the "thickness" of the clutch package and result in what I see? Can't really get my head around that off of the drawing and explanation.
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Mekh Full Member Offline Suzuki Savage Rocks! Posts: 128 Denmark Gender:	Re: Clutch Cable / Arm Reply #26 - 04/12/17 at 13:44:28 Just double-checking here: 1. Clymers states that the thin plate should go on outermost. 2. Your schematic states it should be innermost. No. 2 is the correct one?
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Re: Clutch Cable / Arm
Reply #27 - 04/12/17 at 13:56:42

Item 7 is the outer most part on the clutch.
The single Edited:

large ID

plate goes nearest it.
and several Edited:

smaller

plates goes on after.

The diagram turns my head around and your statement only further confuses me.
I state it the way I understand it.

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Clymer's and the SSM are correct, I'm confused, not I'm gonna get cornfused. -v1

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Mekh Full Member Offline Suzuki Savage Rocks! Posts: 128 Denmark Gender:	Re: Clutch Cable / Arm Reply #28 - 04/12/17 at 14:03:33 I'm getting dizzy here... Think I'll go get some sleep, then re-check Clymers and your schematic tomorrow What manual/document is your schematic from ?
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28780 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Clutch Cable / Arm Reply #29 - 04/12/17 at 14:11:43 Mekh wrote on 04/12/17 at 14:03:33: I'm getting dizzy here... Think I'll go get some sleep, then re-check Clymers and your schematic tomorrow What manual/document is your schematic from ? I'll have to check, but I think they're from clymers.
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