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Question: So, how will you upgrade to Win 10 ?   (multiple votes OK)

I will seek it joyously as fast as I can
I will watch and wait for most of a year
I am being Borged already at Win 7/8.1
I will stay out until they force it on me
Thinking about jumping ship - do something else
Will stay where I am until my hardware dies
ChromeOS or Linux for me, thank you
I JUST WANT TO SEE THE RESULTS


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Reply #165 - 09/01/15 at 09:10:17
 



http://liliputing.com/2015/09/microsoft-will-support-windows-10-through-2025-...

Microsoft will fully support Windows 10 through 2020

Microsoft has issued "clarification" to their financial presentations that kicked up such a furor over Win 10 only lasting 2-4 years.

"Microsoft has updated its Windows lifecycle fact sheet with end-of-support dates for Windows 10. The company says mainstream support for the operating system ends October 13th, 2020 while extended support ends October 14th, 2023."

Now please note that free Win 10 will last a grand total of 10 years, but if and only if .......

"Note that there’s something else different about Windows 10. Since there are cumulative updates instead of Service Pack releases, Microsoft says it will only offer support for computers that have the latest updates installed."

You either march in the parade in your white armor the whole way or you are possibly left behind when the Death Star goes into its next hyperdrive jump.   (yeah, they'll space ya with the trash, dude)

And don't be trying to take that helmet off because you are all hot and sweaty, either ......

And don't be a pulling at that antenna in yer butt, either.   Leave it right were we shoved it.

Wink     jest march right on along, you "willing" clone solder you.
   
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Reply #166 - 09/01/15 at 09:31:43
 

We have a new poll for you to vote in -- vote for as many items as you wish, since all this one does is sense your reactions and overall impressions of the Win 10 roll out at this point in time.

You can change your vote by deleting your old one and re-voting as things change.
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Reply #167 - 09/01/15 at 17:20:27
 
What is "Borged"?
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When this makes sense you've got it.

If you never watched Star Trek the New Generation, you likely will never get it.

.... but you can look up the terms and see if the internet can educate you on the Borg Collective and how they "reproduced".

Similarities between what MS is doing now and what the fictional Borg supposedly did in that fictional future are quite clear.

And, when you think about the people who are embedding early microelectronics inside their human flesh even as we speak, well then the Borg might become an even more relevant mental picture to you.  

You see, the Borg would implant you whether you wanted it or not ..... sorta like MS is doing now.    Without benefit of anesthesia, no less.
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Reply #169 - 09/01/15 at 20:52:55
 
Momma always told me.... "it ain't free"  there is always a catch....

If they are so good at writing all the free stuff.... you bet your bipper, they are really good at hiding what goes on in the back round.

I stopped using Linux because of all the steps I would have to go through to use "wine" or another program, to make my game work properly.

I did have it running after dragging it from my windows side into my Linux side...but there were issues. After all, the game is designed to work with windows..... so why use Linux to run it?

When my computer starts attaching itself to my extremities i'll be worried.... but until then.....

Happy Computing....

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Reply #170 - 09/02/15 at 05:27:58
 

Now Old-Rider, I know you use Steam on your MS boxes.  

It is the same Steam on Linux and most of the games now work on Linux too, mainly because the big houses want to put their games on SteamBoxes which all run off of Linux.   Gabe has told them the rules, he will still sell MS only software, but he prefers your stuff to run on his Steamboxes too.

You haven't tried Linux in how many years now ??    What you report doesn't seem to apply to the current Linux Mint 17.2 anyway.

Conversely, I too am a MS Beta tester and I still get all the emails -- all good white suited clones are supposed to be trying to buffer the bad press by explaining things.

Quoting the same misinformation that MS uses to train Best Buy sales people to say to PC buyers isn't being very helpful, now is it?    

Every time I go into Best Buy I ask the ever present sales person where the Linux boxes are, just so I can hear the current spiel spoken out loud by a real live person.   Did you know that these people ARE paid to say that?   Are required by Best Buy to say that?  

Ask them to buy a Chromebox and they have a different spiel they are paid to say.  

Hey, you guys can ask them too, next time you are in Best Buy.   It's fun.   When they say their wifi isn't working with the Chromebooks and go into why Chromebooks really suck when caught off line ask them why the wifi seems to be working just fine across the isle in the phones area .....  I had one girl actually tell me that was phone wifi and that phone wifi isn't compatible with Chromebooks.     Grin



Wink    "Momma always told me.... "it ain't free"  there is always a catch...."    she must have dealt with MS before, huh?   But it is a saying because it is generally true, and it is.
     
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Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already?
Reply #171 - 09/02/15 at 06:05:48
 
 
Microsoft will announce 100 million Win 10 installations "soon" at the Berlin show.

They will say they are on track to getting their 1 Billion installations by the end of the year.

To do this they need to be able to count ALL the Win 7 people and ALL the Win 8.1 people.

And perhaps, ALL the Vista people as well.  

(you do know there are very minimal differences between Win 7 and Vista and they both ran on the same generation of equipment, right?)

So, following the logic that MS wants all users to have an antenna, I would say the Borg will next begin visiting the Vista people for them late night eyeball and antenna fittings.

Wink       We also expect these folks to get their little window icon and to eventually to get swung over to Win 10 before the end of this year willy-nilly style.
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Reply #172 - 09/02/15 at 08:02:55
 

Even the pro-Windows sites are beginning to address what they see as a burgeoning issue with Windows 10 and personal privacy.   They know that whatever MS automatically collects, the government can access and peruse at will.

http://www.windows10update.com/2015/06/is-windows-10-at-the-intersection-betw...

Is Windows 10 at the intersection between user privacy and personalization?


How did they find out I went to that Really Hung Ukranian Guys porn site at the all girls beach weekend last year?   And they are revoking my security clearance because of it?  OMG !!


"There’s an important discussion that citizens of the free world are having. It’s about the appropriate depths and limits of government surveillance over the average citizen.

What is the line between safety from terrorists and the invasion of my privacy? It’s a fair question and depending on what country you live in, the answer will be different.

I believe Windows 10 will also introduce a new question for all of us to ponder, namely:

Where do we draw the line between the personalization of an Operating System and your privacy as an individual?

Have you read Microsoft’s new, revised Privacy Statement?

99.9% of you will not read it because it’s long and boring and you have better things to do (or at least you think you do) but it really is worth reading.

I did because well, that’s what I do.

To account for all the new products and services being introduced into the marketplace, Microsoft made significant changes to their privacy policies and statements.

Here are some of the fun parts (emphasis mine).

CORTANA
Location services.

Cortana regularly collects and uses your current location and location history to give you the most relevant notices and results and to make suggestions that help save you time, such as traffic and location based reminders. Cortana can only work if location services are on, so if you turn them off, Cortana will be disabled.

?? Interesting that it says Cortana will only work with location services enabled. Why does Cortana need to know my location to open an app, tell me who won a basketball game etc?

Speech and Input Personalization.

To help Cortana better understand the way you speak and your voice commands, speech data is sent to Microsoft to build personalized speech models and improve speech recognition. On Windows devices, Cortana can only work if Input Personalization is on, so if you turn it off, Cortana will be disabled.

?? See my point above – why?

Interesting – the Windows 10 section is HUGE and has lots of nuggets in there too.

WINDOWS 10
First of all this is interesting – Microsoft actually defines Windows 10 for the first time here.

The official definition of Windows 10

Windows 10 (“Windows”) is a personalized computing environment that enables you to seamlessly roam and access services, preferences and content across your computing devices from phones to tablets to the Surface Hub.

Rather than residing as a static software program on your device, key components of Windows are cloud-based, and both cloud and local elements of Windows are updated regularly, providing you with the latest improvements and features.

Your Windows 10 license is tied to your device

When you activate Windows, a specific product key is associated with the device on which your software is installed. The product key and data about the software and your device is sent to Microsoft to confirm your valid license to the software. This datturning down my job applicationa may be sent again if there is a need to re-activate or validate your license.

On Startup Microsoft will check your phone every time.

On phones running Windows, device location at the time of the first power up of the device is also sent to Microsoft for the purpose of warranty registration, stock replenishment, and fraud prevention.

You’re now being assigned an Advertiser ID

Windows generates a unique advertising ID for each user on a device. Your advertising ID can be used by app developers and advertising networks to provide more relevant advertising. You can turn off access to this identifier at any time in the device Settings. If you choose to turn it on again, a new identifier will be generated.

Microsoft collects data about you and your friends

For example, to provide personalized speech recognition, we collect your voice input, as well your name and nickname, your recent calendar events and the names of the people in your appointments, and information about your contacts including names and nicknames. This additional data enables us to better recognize people and events when you dictate messages or documents.

Administrators can overrule your disabling location services

The Find My Device feature allows an administrator of a Windows PC or tablet to find the location of that device if the administrator has enabled the location service for the device, even if other users have disabled location for themselves. When the administrator attempts to locate the device, users will see a notification in the notification center.

Microsoft keeps records on your children’s activities for a period of time (unspecified) if Microsoft Family is enabled

Microsoft Family.

Parents can use Microsoft Family to understand and set boundaries on how their child is using their device. There are many features available to Family members, so please carefully review the information provided when you create or join a Family.

When Family activity reporting is turned on for a child, Microsoft will collect details about how the child uses their device and provide parents with reports of that child’s activities. Activity reports are routinely deleted from Microsoft servers after a short period of time.

SmartScreen keeps track of your downloads but for how long?

SmartScreen. SmartScreen helps protect you when using our services by checking downloaded files and web content for malicious software, potentially unsafe web content, and other threats to you or your device.

When checking a file, data about that file is sent to Microsoft, including the file name, a hash of the file’s contents, and the file’s digital certificates. If SmartScreen identifies the file as unknown or potentially unsafe, you will see a warning prior to opening the file.

When checking web content, data about the content is sent to Microsoft, including the full web address of the content. If SmartScreen detects that content is potentially unsafe, you will see a warning in place of the content. SmartScreen can be turned on or off in Settings.

Page Prediction sends your browsing history to Microsoft

Page Prediction sends your browsing history to Microsoft and uses aggregated browsing history data to predict which pages you are likely to browse to next and proactively loads those pages in the background for a faster browsing experience.

Microsoft collects data about you from maps even though maps may be turned off

The Maps app provides location-based services and uses Bing services to process your searches within the Maps app. Please see the Bing section of this privacy statement to learn more about these Bing-powered experiences.

When the Maps app has access to your location, even when the app is not in use, Microsoft may collect de-identified location data from your device to improve Microsoft’s services. You can disable the Maps app’s access to your location by turning off the location service or turning off the Maps app’s access to the location service.

And there’s much more."



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Reply #173 - 09/02/15 at 10:09:18
 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/09/02/windows-10-updates-u-turn/

Windows 10 Updates U-Turn: Microsoft Details Changes

Speaking to press this week Microsoft Corporate Vice President Jim Alkove said the company will stop hiding the contents of Windows 10 updates and what changes they will make once installed.

In fact Alkove went as far as admitting these changes come directly from user complaints:

“We’ve heard that feedback from enterprise customers so we’re actively working on how we provide them with information about what’s changing and what new capabilities and new value they’re getting,” he declared.

But did you spot that vital keyword? Yes, Enterprise.

There is also a certain irony to Microsoft listening to Enterprise first.

Yes big business customers are crucial, but users of Windows 10 Enterprise have the power to delay and even stop updates indefinitely to see how things pan out. By contrast Windows 10 Pro has no indefinite stopping power and Windows 10 Home users can delay just one month (without workaround hacks) before these vaguely described updates are forcibly installed.

Clouds On The Horizon

But the realist in me is concerned. While I strongly hope Microsoft will extend the common sense privileges it is looking to bestow on enterprise customers to all users, its recent actions speak louder than words.

Notably in January the very same Jim Alkove openly stated that Microsoft saw home users akin to guinea pigs for the betterment of Enterprise customers:

“By the time Current branch for Business machines are updated, the changes will have been validated by millions of Insiders, consumers and customers’ internal test processes for several months, allowing updates to be deployed with this increased assurance of validation,” explained Alkove in a Windows blog post.

In addition, and perhaps even more worryingly, just last week Microsoft started quietly installing some of the Windows 10 data mining and privacy invading telemetry on Windows 7 and Windows 8.

And guess what? The convoluted language in these updates largely hid their true purpose."


Undecided

Big Business, their IT Managers and their Corporate Lawyers have begun a discourse with Microsoft about Win 10 and very most especially the nighttime Borging of pre-existing Windows 7 installations.

Microsoft has said all along that the first wave of Consumer Win 10 is intended to prototype the Enterprise software that is yet to come for the Corporate guys.  

Guess what?   Corporate does not like what they are seeing in Consumer Win 10 -- not a bit of it.    Especially the BS secrecy about nightly updates with ZERO information about what is contained within.  

And the Corporate Lawyers were very blunt about any Borging of Win 7 -- it is grounds for legal action as it violates corporate agreements that have been in place for 10 years.

Microsoft backing away from Corporate pressure and keeping an acknowledged dual standard means that they have now opened the door for some class action suits from Consumer groups.

Microsoft has been put on notice that they CANNOT unilaterally change a pre-existing EULA.

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Reply #174 - 09/02/15 at 16:55:03
 
Comon' man!  You mean to tell me Micro-soft didn't write into the original EULA that they can change the way it is used and written?
I mean, they have really good "hide it in the small print" lawyers.

I mean, I really don't mind that Cortana needs to know where I am, cause' if I say; "Cortana, where is the nearest restaurant", I want her to tell me the "nearest" one to me.
Does she need my camera on? nope, does she need my microphone on? nope.... but then, have you updated or downloaded an ap on your android phone?  
Don't just say ok..... look at what they want to be able to do to your phone.... its the same with aps for your PC or Tablet.

But about Microsoft spying on everything I do.... well.... I want it to keep track and learn what my mumbly voice sounds like, so it won't send me to some porn sight when I say where is the corn growing tallest this year?

And they are always going to track your location on your phone, tablet and PC, because if you say those magic words that terrorists use, they want to know where you are. I don't mind....hope they catch them....

That's why I said I was laughing.... not at you.... but at the system that is doing all this..... it helps me greatly by keeping track of me and learning about me..... but if someone thinks that by doing that, they are learning my inner secrets.... I have to laugh....

So far the only thing I have been seeing with microsoft's new net product "Edge", is that like I stated in the first part..... "it is fast! but might slow down when the cache starts growing", well it has slowed, but it is still comparable to 8.1, and that was fast enough for me.

I still use chrome browser on occasion, and it has stayed at a good cruising speed.
I shut down at night, and believe it or not... they don't power my system back on and spy on me or use my laptop to update someone on the net, it stays powered down.

Power in my neighborhood went down several times today, because some inverter somewhere was acting up.
My modem and router both booted back up everytime, and windows 10 notified me when my printer was back online each time.... 8.1 didn't do that.

I do get notifications almost everyday.... some are HP ads, some are Microsoft ads, and some are messages about updates.

All in all, i'm still liking the new windows 10.... guess i'm one of the lucky ones.



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Reply #175 - 09/02/15 at 19:33:46
 

In truth, people still have the potential to like Win 10 IF MS quits jerking people around and starts to get the drivers right.

First thing they need to do is STOP writing headlines for the computer press guys by doing STUPID things like having finance say Win 10 is only intended for 2-4 years.  That may have been a plan at one point in time, but it was a stupid one and now it is an ex-plan.

Hiding what was in the daily updates was stupid too.   Sure, it was embarrassing for MS but really, they deserved to be embarrassed some for resending and resending and resending the same broken updates time and again.

Borging people was STUPID  (and actionable) as was playing "switch the EULA" with the Europeans.   The Europeans are up in arms and collecting information for their regulatory agencies to act upon -- THAT was stupid too.    

Having the Russians say they are going to ban you means YOU SCREWED UP ROYALLY.

If your only extant business plan says you have to spy on your customers and be turning them in to various trade regulatory agencies for what is on their hard drives, then you haven't really got a viable business plan at all.

Right now the Win 10 install either goes good for you or it is abrupt driver hell -- there does not seem to be any moderate ground right now.    All the easy stuff seems to be already done and gone now.

Microsoft, take a deep breath and regroup and STOP PISSING OFF YOUR USER BASE and being all arrogant out the wang like you have been doing of late.    

You are acting like Microsoft the Almighty again, and that simply isn't true any more.   You are Microsoft the not so great with only 10-14% of total devices market share and you have some growing, becoming slightly more serious as every quarter passes real competition  -- in both Apple and in Chrome and in Linux -- folks who are still doing great shakes in keeping their users bases content and happy.

And you are all busy pissing your user base off all the time.

Embarrassed

MS, like the Evil Empire, is creating their very own resistance movement by their own ongoing actions.
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Reply #176 - 09/05/15 at 03:05:51
 
Even if I am a fan of Linux since ancient times, especially professionally speaking, I am also a gamer and you certainly can't say that videogames widely support Linux and vice versa...

So, I upgraded from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 with a certain satisfaction.

In fact, I'll tell you more, although my PC is very old (Core 2 Duo E6600), it runs fast, much better than XP that gave me a lot of satisfaction in the past.
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Reply #177 - 09/08/15 at 06:44:28
 

Have you checked out Steam?   Almost all games are available on Linux now.   There are some hold outs though -- the ones with Xbox contracts mostly.
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Reply #178 - 09/08/15 at 14:41:50
 
Just had another 29395 "updates" whatever on windows 7. Borg can do as he pleases.
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The evil emperor says that you must use Microsoft softwares.
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