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Title: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 06/17/15 at 06:54:00 Well, this morning I had a few updates to my system, so I let them in. After the updates were finished I noticed a new Icon on the lower right of my taskbar... it kinda looks like the icon for my aps page. Well it turns out I have the opportunity to upgrade to windows 10. Now, I was forced to upgrade to windows 8.1, and I do mean forced, my laptop would ask me if I wanted to upgrade to 8.1, it did that for about a week. It then started to interrupt my online time, about once every half hour, then once ever 10 minutes, finally I could not even get my computer to boot up unless I "accepted" the upgrade because it would reboot. Now I am wondering, just how aggressive is the windows 10 "voluntary upgrade" going to be? It is on my task bar now, but will it just stay there? or will it start to interrupt my online time to "suggest" I upgrade? We shall see.... http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/IMG_20150617_094114430_HDR.jpg |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 06/17/15 at 08:45:25 MS will politely tell you that Win 10 is your upgrade path and no further upgrades will be done for your Win 8.1 apart from rolling you over to Win10. MS intends to dump support for ALL old versions ASAP (have already stopped doing everything except critical security updates already). You will get treated pretty much the same this time around. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Art Webb on 06/18/15 at 21:10:43 Maybe time to load Linux IF win 8.1 will let you :-/ |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Serowbot on 06/18/15 at 22:31:52 The sneaky trick with Win10 upgrade is,... they plan to charge a yearly fee to use it from now on... Your OS is going to be like cable service... Pay,... pay,... pay... and you're stuck, unless you want to start from scratch... Resist... it's not yet mandatory... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by spearheadss on 06/19/15 at 05:17:54 Time to get a Mac. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 06/19/15 at 07:11:39 Microsoft will keep Win10 OS free for one full year, keeping religiously to what they said they were going to do. They NEVER said Office was going to be free, or Cortana, nor any other software other than the basic OS itself. $119 a year is too much for me to pay, even for my wife. Right now everyone is dumping all the separate install Win 7 that is out there for prices around $60, so I bought one for my wife just yesterday. I will upgrade her from Vista to Win7 and wait and see what the real story is going to be with Win10 as it finally becomes clear. I will have until June of next year to figure it all out. She can stay on Win7 because that is where her work is staying -- possibly forever -- who knows? Business-wide upgrade and maintenance costs with Win systems are massive -- and some businesses are going over to Chromebooks and boxes for selected uses like data entry because their net cost including box & laptop hardware is lower compared to just doing the Win10 switchover (requires much fewer IT resources and REQUIRES NOTHING for their intra-net) as the old slow hardware cables, hardware, etc. is JUST FINE for ChromeOS as long as it has a good connection to the internet proper. Microsoft really socks it to business for them maintenance fees ..... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 06/20/15 at 18:17:19 http://liliputing.com/2015/06/windows-10-is-a-free-for-anyone-testing-the-insider-preview-builds.html Windows 10 is free for anyone testing Insider Preview builds http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/win10-desktop-680x382.jpg Microsoft’s Gabe Aul says even if you did a clean install of a Windows 10 Insider Preview build from a downloaded ISO disc image, you’ll received a free update to the final build of Windows 10 once the operating system is released… and it’ll remain activated. That’s good news for folks that had performed a clean install rather than performing an upgrade from Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 operating systems. It also means that you might be able to score a free Windows 10 license on July 29th even if you’re not currently running an operating system that’s eligible for a free upgrade. Now, it is not enough to mock the triple forked tongue with which MS speaks, nor hoot at the various mouths that say the apparently completely contradictory things --- one must actually TRY to go do it. As we speak I am downloading the ISO that is referred to above, after creating a gmail.account and a matching MS Insider Preview account so I am a freshly minted all clean definitely not running Linux at all supposedly windows loving Win 10 trial person. I am doing this on an old 15" XP laptop as I can sacrifice it completely and feel like I lost very very little in doing so. We shall see, now won't we? I am going to do the clean install mentioned above and see what happens to the old XP machine when I turn it back on ...... :-? :-/ :o So far I am having issues getting the ISO to burn to a DVD. Part of this is the near one hour time to download the ISO. There are several ISO images out there --- here is a link to an IT based image that gives a DVD that can be plopped on to multiple machines (supposedly). http://www.alphr.com/operating-systems/1000350/how-to-burn-windows-10-iso-to-a-disc ..... follow the instructions, start the download and go to bed --- it will either be there or not in the morning. You need to burn it to a DVD using the ISO "image" burn function of your favorite DVD burning software. Fair warning --- the image needs a modern burner software (nothing that is XP era is going to even recognize the format). Fair warning --- you are going to need a fairly modern DVD drive that is in good shape to write the format. Your next trap may be getting the DVD reader on your old machine to recognize what the modern DVD writer wrote. ;) nobody said this was going to be easy ...... Further trap -- trying to write the ISO to a USB drive then finding out your old laptop can't be set to boot from a USB drive. You know, I begin to see why MS didn't try to upgrade the old XP machines, there are too many aged out incompatibilities to deal with concerning hardware, drivers, processor/video speed, etc. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Art Webb on 06/20/15 at 21:42:08 So far I've had no win 10 prompts, good |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 06/21/15 at 09:44:07 Having spent most of a day now in the World of Windows, I once again realize why I personally do not want to use a Windows machine again, ever. Windows is an unmitigated pain in the ass, sometimes I think intentionally so by MS's past plans and business decisions. This is the second time I have said "you jest keep it" to MS's attempts at getting me to upgrade to Win 10. I know I am not a typical "computer user" anymore but if they really want to suck everybody into Win 10 they need to make it a lot easier to do. ========================================= I am also stubborn and persistent ...... I finally got the Vista machine to create two bootable DVDs of Win 10 Preview (one 32 bit and one 64 bit) that the Vista machine can read. (Note: this does not mean the older XP machines can read them -- but the Vista machine that wrote them can) Wife and I are discussing it -- she doesn't want any interruptions to her life and "I don't want to learn anything new -- I am 3 years away from retiring, so screw it." She lives off her phone and iPad now while laying on the couch watching Downton Abby and only goes upstairs to use her PC every other day or so for something the iPad simply won't do. Like most of us, we don't want to learn anything new or more complicated. ========================================= Ironically, the 64 bit ISO image Win 10 can be read by both my old 15" laptops (one Vista, one XP) with the XP machine grinding very slowly while loading the Win 10 preview. The irony is that both machines run Linux Mint quick like a scalded dog --- but the new "improved" Win 10 runs like thick cold molasses on the same machines. Win 10 for PC is NOT lighter or faster, indeed, quite the contrary -- it is BULKIER and slower even. ========================================= If you have a late Vista machine or a Win 7 machine, you can go to Win 10 with only a somewhat irritating noticeable performance penalty using your cruffed up old Vista and Win7 machine as a comparison point. Linux on the other hand smokes both the old and the new windows, running well on the Win7 and Vista grade of machinery. XP machines need not apply to convert to Win 10, you will fight like hell to get it loaded and then be disappointed in the way it runs -- go to Linux on the old XP machines instead and be pleased with the upgrade in speed and performance that you will see compared to your old fragmented, cluttered & choked down XP installation that you upgraded. Is Win 10 a reason point to get a new machine? Not if your old stuff meets your needs and you are happy with it. Upgrading to Win 10 may cause you to get dissatisfied with your old stuff as it is slower and "somewhat lacking" when trying to run Win 10. Remember, once all of Win 10 gets out there completely it will require a microphone on every PC so you can talk to Cortana, and a camera so you can video Skype etc. etc. etc. Upgraded older machines will lack mics and cameras and all these other "get to use all the full features" support hardware items .... Should you even be considering buying a new PC period, considering what is coming up in the next year or so? No, you would be buying a new copy of an obsoleted technology. If you are "buying the future" simply chose your next cell phone very carefully and roll with that pathway going forward. http://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/andromium-1.jpeg |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 06/21/15 at 20:14:28 Downloading the .iso files tonight, going to have to sign up for the "insider" or what ever. Going to load it up on the ol' 15" VISTA machine.... the one I've been using to play with Linux with. I clicked on the x86 English download and my "save as" came up as x649266.iso But the bottom line downloading says x324966.iso... so what the heck am I getting? I have no idea, but I will download the X64.iso next and burn both images to dvd. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 06/22/15 at 06:12:52 Burned both .iso images onto discs, so now I have a x32 bit copy and a x64 bit copy of win10. Took me approx. 2 hours to go the full route with downloading / making / installing win 10 on the 15" laptop. I already had a Microsoft account so signing up for the insider was as easy as saying "yes" and automatically I was registered. However during the install process I had to boot from cd/dvd, because when I opened my file folder and clicked on the install.exe it kept telling me that it would not upgrade from vista or xp, but once I hit restart on my laptop with the disc in, "viola" it loaded. (laptop was vista) I'm off to play with it this morning, I have not looked at my hard drive since the load, it will not allow a multi-boot start, so I don't know if it re-partitioned the disc or not. I was lucky in that it recognized my wireless router right off the bat all I had to do was put in the password. I did find all my original discs for the vista load in a file cabinet so I can totally reload it if needed. About joining the Insider Preview, it is my understanding that since I joined before the deadline, I can now use win 10 on all my computers. They suggest using an "older system" and not use your primary because it could fail. Funny huh? Letting you use it now, but not on your main system... yup I signed the agreement, lets hope it doesn't fry my little laptop electronically, just software. ;D |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 06/22/15 at 06:52:59 Well, it just wrote over my vista and did not re-partition the hard drive. So now I just have 9gigs left on the 85gig partition. Maybe i'll re-do the whole drive to see if it will speed up as like old feller says, this vista machine is kinda slow using the win 10 (although it might be from all the partitions I have on this hard drive). Funny thing, it remembered all my "favorites" on my browser but did not remember the passwords. All my photo's and music disappeared (was expected) but the new install is still huge! Either that or it did not delete the files just stored them in a folder somewhere. I cannot believe that windows 10 is 76gigs.... I think i'll go ahead and redo this laptop and start from scratch seeing as I have the discs already made for the upgrade. That way my four copies of Linux will be off and I will only have one partition instead of 7. :) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Art Webb on 06/22/15 at 07:26:25 76 gigs? I'm not sure my extant machine can handle that |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 06/22/15 at 07:55:30 Remember, Win 10 slow, Linux fast. If you feel you need windows, yeah do get the one that will roll forward into the future. My main machine, the one I use, remains Linux Mint --- and I know that Windows hasn't changed its basic nature in any meaningful way, but my wife needs it. So, I within the next calendar year I will convert the two 15" laptops and one 13" laptop over to Win 10 eventually so she will always have her Windows for work related purposes. My wife may tell me to stop at Win 7, but we shall see on that one since it is only a temporary at this point in time. She will likely want to upgrade her Office when her work does, and this will likely cost me some money. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Todd James on 06/22/15 at 08:08:19 liliputing just added an update to their article: http://liliputing.com/2015/06/windows-10-is-a-free-for-anyone-testing-the-insider-preview-builds.html liliputing also references this article on ComputerWorld: http://www.computerworld.com/article/2938636/microsoft-windows/microsoft-muddies-waters-about-free-copy-of-windows-10-to-beta-testers.html Microsoft's double speak has confused the issue about a free update to the final Windows 10 build for Windows 10 Insider Preview users. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 06/22/15 at 08:27:38 Here is the update in full text -- once again it is tempting to mock the triple split forked tongue with which MS speaks, but it is also clear MS really really WANTS you to upgrade to Win 10 as they are already downsizing the people who take care of the old stuff, and MS will lay off their sea of contract workers when Win 10 is finally finished. Eventually, the deal will jell but right now folks who want to REGISTER as testers and install a prelim Win 10 are the only ones who stand an outside chance of a free Win 10 ride. Thoughts on getting the license code off the Authentic MS sticker on the box of an installed Win 7 or better machine --- yeah, well, folks can read now can't they? "Update: Note that you’ll need to associate your Windows 10 Insider Preview build with Microsoft Account to get the upgrade or any future Insider updates. While you won’t need a Microsoft Account to perform a normal upgrade from Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 or to use Windows 10 generally, you will need one to upgrade from Windows 10 Insider Preview to Windows 10 final. It’s also worth noting that when Aul’s blog post was first published on Friday, it said users that had performed a clean install of the Windows 10 Insider Preview would be able to upgrade to Windows 10 final and their version of Windows would remain activated. Now it doesn’t say that anymore. The post has been changed to say that only users with “Genuine Windows 7 or Windows 8.1[ch8243] can upgrade to Windows 10 for free. In other words if you haven’t already paid for Windows in one way or another (by buying a boxed or downloaded copy, or by purchasing a PC with the OS pre-loaded), then there’s officially no free upgrade to Windows 10 for you. Whether you’ll be able to do it unofficially remains to be seen… but you may need to buy a valid Windows license key if you don’t already have one associated with your computer. It’s hard to parse Microsoft semantics though. Gabe Aul has responded to several questions on Twitter in a way that suggests you can essentially get a licensed and activated Windows 10 for free by signing up for the Windows Insider Program, installing a Windows 10 Preview before July 29th, and linking it to your Microsoft Account. But as mentioned above, the amended blog post specifically says users only get to upgrade for free from licensed, activated Windows 7 or 8.1 systems. So the company seems to be sending mixed messages: while it’s clear that anyone who is running Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 can upgrade to Windows 10 for free… and that anyone running a Windows 10 Preview build will also be able to upgrade, it’s not entirely clear if you’ll have a genuine, activated windows license after the upgrade if you performed a clean install on a system that had never been running Windows 7 or 8.1 to begin with. It’s possible that you will be able to, but Microsoft is discouraging it (which would explain the change in language). It’s also possible you won’t be able to unless you can enter a valid Windows license key (there’s a good chance that one was affixed to the side of your computer when you bought it)." |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Art Webb on 06/22/15 at 08:27:46 When 8.1 goes away I will likely switch to a chromebook / box |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 06/22/15 at 08:33:43 And that will be easier by then as all new printers now support it out of the box now. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 06/22/15 at 08:48:00 http://www.computerworld.com/article/2938636/microsoft-windows/microsoft-muddies-waters-about-free-copy-of-windows-10-to-beta-testers.html MS is catching some shite from ComputerWorld for all this flip flopping they are doing of late --- inference being that TRUST is being eroded since they can't seem to say the same thing two times in a row when communicating about Win 10. The whole roll out is beginning to smell slightly of fish now (one month out from go day) since nothing is final finished about the PC package at this point in time, not even the free preliminary update deal itself, nor the preliminary software ISO packages that have been put out for download. "The confusion may be frustrating to some customers -- as in many other cases, customers who are among the most vocal of Microsoft's -- but moot for the vast majority of users, who will simply upgrade existing, and eligible, PCs. Microsoft's licensing is complex enough that there are countless edge cases where ambiguity is a side effect. Still, the lack of clarity about many questions related to Windows 10 at this late date is disturbing, although not rare for Microsoft. At times the company seems entirely unable to come clean about its policies." Apparently I am not the only one who feels MS is intentionally holding back on "the rest of the story" as they know the raw truth would be a deal killer for some. ================================== BTW, something stopped the 15" XP machine from finishing with the Win 10 prelim installation. It isn't bricked, and will still boot to XP so I was lucky ...... (I guess) ::) This sux a bit, but it is just another little bitty fishy smelling piece to go right along with all the other Win 10 fish smelling confusion so far. You are being enticed to load the software -- if you are greedy they seem to give you a chance to beat the system some, but then they yank it away afterwards and hit you in the face with the real deal when it finally steps out of the fog. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 06/22/15 at 12:40:08 Jumped back to start again with my refurb disc's. Two drives with 100+ gigs ea., could have swore this old laptop had 500gig, but guess it only had 250gig. It made 3 partitions, one for 116gig(87gig left, so new win 10 is 29gig?) another "data" drive with 105gig, and then the recovery one... So I guess I got my space back, now if I want I suppose I could load mint16 or 17 and let it create a boot sector and I could use the 105gig "data" partition for that. There is also a new Internet Explorer called Microsoft Edge (project Spartan), it keeps telling me to load it with my "aps" LOL but its not listed. I guess I will wait for the updates that are more than likely going to happen at the most inopportune time ::) HEY Old Feller, did you download the X32 version of Win 10? for that XP machine? I have an old PC in the garage I was playing with for my camera system, maybe i'll go attempt to put the X32 bit version on it. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 06/22/15 at 14:56:10 You can try it, I had no luck with it either. I never got past the square window "waiting" icon on any XP machine with either disk. Got permission from wife to scrag one of her good 15" laptop machines (she understands doing anything MS is a risk proposition) and she knows I have a Win 7 disk coming which can fix the scragged machine if needed. I find the whole thing very "fishy" at this stage --- and would not put it past MS to intentionally scrag a few 10's of thousands of XP class machines "accidentally" during the doing of it. After all, it is YOUR fault --- you were repeatedly told not to try to put Win 10 on an XP machine IN WRITING. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 06/22/15 at 15:28:55 http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/06/19/upcoming-changes-to-windows-10-insider-preview-builds/ Read it, the boy explains what he was trying to say when he cranked up all this controversy --- he's telling the straight party line now and apologizing profusely but there ain't no free Windows 10 unless you already have a current real Windows 8.1 or Windows 7 license to upgrade to Win 10. The fact you were a trial group Prelim type person is MEANINGLESS ...... as in counts for absolutely NOTHING. In short, MS lied to you (again). You spent months letting them view your keystrokes and putting up with all the version after version after version BS for nothing. You are just being handed the blame for all the things still wrong with Win 10 as "we just did what the preliminary users told us they wanted" --- which is complete BS as MS just did exactly what they wanted to go do and then used the Prelim people as their built in whipping boys. And then MS didn't even give them their free copy of Win 10 at the end. "Screwgled" doesn't come from Google --- in both cases it was invented by MS and applied by them in liberal coatings to innocent people. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 06/22/15 at 19:14:17 Oh, i'm not worried, when they say I gotta pay to keep it working, i'll just dump it again and reload vista, then put one oh them minty things on the drive. I kinda like messing with new stuff to get kinda ahead of the game every now and then. :) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 06/22/15 at 21:55:58 Well here is a little better clarity on the "free" part "If you clean install the Windows 10 preview now and continue to opt-in to future updates then you’ll get your free copy of Windows 10, but you’ll have to put up with potential pre-release software bugs and continued updates in the future. Microsoft says Windows 10 is "intended to be installed on Genuine Windows devices," but the Windows Insider program is a clear, if complicated, loop hole if you don’t have a Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 license." The nuance here is that Microsoft will keep fresh copies of Windows 10 activated for testers only if they keep opting-in to future preview updates. So if you’ve clean installed a Windows 10 preview build and upgrade to the final on July the 29th, then you don’t have to worry about activation as long as you keep receiving pre-release updates. "Since we’re continuing the Windows Insider Program you’ll be able to continue receiving builds and those builds will continue to be activated under the terms of the Windows Insider Program," explains Microsoft’s Gabe Aul. So I guess my little 15" laptop will forever and always be a "test model" |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 06/23/15 at 04:05:38 My wife has two vital laptop machines -- I have a Win 7 coming for one of them and a Win 8.1 coming for the other one. Beyond that, MS really blows on this "early" Win 10 stuff as it is all a real pain in the ass to deal with as a prelim user. The Preliminary user deal has suddenly become completely and totally useless (by MS's choice). We shall see if they clean it all up neatly and make the real upgrade easy for the real end users. How long will prelim program last once MS has a massive number of real users on line to use as guinea pigs? Not very long. ;) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 06/23/15 at 07:58:11 http://https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Las_Trampas_Waterfall.jpg/800px-Las_Trampas_Waterfall.jpg After 3 days of Windows, coming back to Linux is like this ........ I suspect Apple people feel something similar. Microsoft and their ugly baby puts my nerves on edge. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 06/28/15 at 04:24:27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8ez20A5PAA THE COMPARISONS ON WIN 10 PC ARE STARTING TO SHOW UP ON YOUTUBE !!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ_Op5y_kP8 ..... it is a YouTube, so click on it ..... After 4+ years in development, folks are mentioning that Win 10 performance speed is not any faster, it is exactly like Win 7 speedwise for doing things and other than Cortana nothing is actually new, they are just rehashes of old XP and Win 7 era features that were dropped at Win 8, or else were 3rd party aftermarket softwares that were popular back then (and MS bought the companies for a song after Win 8 came out). Since Cortana is actually an old Nokia phone feature originally from a company called TellMe that Nokia wound up buying in 2009, so you could make the argument that Cortana itself is just more old bought stuff that was tossed into the Win 10 PC stewpot by MS. The answer given to the big question "Should you upgrade your PC?" has a simple answer. YES, if it is free for you to do so. ..... this ignores the yearly upgrade subscription costs that is likely going to hit you in year 3 ...... Is it any real performance improvement? NO. Win 10 is bulkier and NO FASTER on any task -- remember that. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/13/15 at 10:08:20 I'm up to build 10182 of Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview and man is there a difference! Well for now the Explorer now called "Edge" is screamin' fast (probably until the cache starts to build up) So I guess i'll keep ya'll up to date on my "opinion" of Windows 10. Not that I am a "fan boy" or anything, I like to think I am not bias against anything until it proves it sux. :) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Art Webb on 07/13/15 at 13:03:07 keep us updated |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/13/15 at 19:02:05 http://innov8tiv.com/microsoft-edge-browser-vs-google-chrome-edge-will-replace-google-chrome-as-the-best-browser-for-mobile-and-pc/ Microsoft Edge Browser VS Google Chrome: Edge Will Replace Google Chrome as The Best Browser for Mobile and PC First, this is a brand new mobile browser, not the Spartan browser that was originally planned for Win 10. The Windows team is claiming they "converted" Spartan to this and Spartan was just a code name, but the original Spartan was a cleaned up IE and this is ..... not. People are asking where MS bought it from, but right now I agree with the reviewers .... .... who cares? It is fast and light and it does not slow down and choke over memory usage (it turns the memory back loose very quickly). It is good stuff and it will make Google get better real fast (or get replaced real fast). If they can blend it in with Cortana seamlessly and make the pair of them work better than "OK GOOGLE", then they will have a winner on their hands. Why is Edge so fast? http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/05/25/3-reasons-why-microsofts-edge-browser-is-way-superior-to-internet-explorer-and-might-give-google-something-to-worry-about/ Reading this says that EDGE hauls ass on those items that do not contain ANY legacy calls to old poky softwares (like flash and java). EDGE simply doesn't work with old stuff -- it ignores all those calls and either doesn't show it or stops cold and tells you all about your moldy web sites. This new EDGE browser signals a need for all web sites to be updated to HTML2 standards, and to drop all the old moldy IE specific stuff contained in most old sites. Edge spells end of use for Flash and Java .... bye boys. Google Chrome has some memory and speed hang ups that are based on their own older AI based search functions -- this time around Google will be the respondent to a real MS challenge. Both Google Chrome and Firefox are currently burdened with old IE compatibility fixes that MS itself has flat-arsed dropped off now, smoking and steaming copious brown vapors right on down onto the cold cold concrete -- plop !!! And we love it !!!! We all know Google does their very best work (quickest work too) once somebody really pisses them off good with a real hard hitting challenge. And EDGE is a strong challenge aimed right at Google's jugular vein. Go MS Go !!!! Go piss off 'ol SwitzerGoogle some and let's see this bulky green dude come back out again !!!! http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRY5kpvbrhew-LlT0_R4wBJjLbYD8bWP0I2tbR2l8ge4Lgvh6R9tQ Watch out there, Bruce Google Banner --- that snicky quick MS EDGE stuff could indeed be the basis of a REAL MICROSOFT CHROMEKILLER using the not yet released Win 10 Mobile for the lighter faster OS handle portion and EDGE as the knife portion of the spear. Go get your green on, Bruce --- Hulk Go Smash Stupid MS Browser --- go get 'em Hulk boy :D |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/14/15 at 04:52:11 Well, I did the windows 10 on my smaller laptop because I did not want to "compromise" my new fancy smancy dancy 17" HP. I can't imagine how it would run on the 17" HP.... which has the AMD A10 Elite Quad-core. Yeah i'm chicken, but the windows fella's do say not to load it into a much needed machine because it might cause a problem and they won't be responsible for it... come to think of it... no software company is responsible for any of their software, and yet we click "OK".......sigh..... The little "Get Windows 10" icon on my taskbar is calling me..... it will be a free version for me, and if I download it now I will be on a "priority list" according to the new posts from the windows team. I downloaded my World of Warcraft game onto the little win10 laptop last night, of course blizzard told me that my system was not up to the task of running the game in "optimal mode", but I loaded it up anyway. It runs no worse than it used to, kinda jumpy at times, even at the lower settings, but it is still playable, which tells me that if I download win10 on the big HP it will run also. Thing is, I don't remember if all my programs transferred, I'll have to write down what I have loaded and see....well...maybe.... the deadline is getting nearer.... oh the pressure!! ::) :-/ |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/14/15 at 08:21:29 Fair warning to those who procrastinated ...... You can no longer download a Win 7 reinstall ISO from MS --- they took them all down last week. You CAN still get the ISO off a Linux FOSS site, but you will have to hunt for them. Having a proper Win 7 or Win 8.1 existing install is necessary to pursue the free upgrade to Win 10. I also find that the Win 7 install disk will try to install on older machines (some of them) but the Win 8.1 disk always balks when it detects an "unapproved" earlier version like XP. The Win 10 disk ALWAYS balks at a "funny" install -- so I am now trying reformatting the hard drive and installing the Win 7 completely virgin which should leave no tracks for the Win 10 disk to find. Good luck on your upgrade journey ...... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/14/15 at 19:07:01 When I buy a new laptop or pc I always get the "recovery" or "install" discs or I don't buy them. Had a guy at the local Best Buy tell me they don't give the discs with new stuff anymore and I would have to download a "recovery" disc set. I told him have a nice day (was a $1400 laptop), as I was walking away a manager says "wait a minute sir, I will see if we have a copy in the back". Turns out they take the disc's and keep them, so they can "fix" your computer when it breaks, since you download the "recovery disc" when you boot up for the first time, you really don't need the original windows discs. I find this kind of sneaky and underhanded, so I don't buy from them any longer. Oh, and the Walmart ones actually come with driver discs, and recovery ones (if you buy the higher priced ones). I just have to copy all my games and stuff to a flash drive so I can put everything back into place on a fresh install of win10. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/15/15 at 03:37:03 Best Buy used to get a lot of money from me until Staples began price matching (and price beating) on just about every Best Buy sale add. Staples and Office Max got my money around Thanksgiving and Christmas from then on. Then Amazon came along, and I started buying through the internet. Of all the venues, Best Buy had the worst terms and the worst warranty service. But they did have LOCAL SERVICE, which was better than the nothing that Staples had. Towards the end I would buy the Best Buy total replacement insurance rather than deal with Best Buy repair service dept. Staples had insurance too, so whichever was cheaper got bought. The best service I have had in the last 10 years comes from Amazon, who will simply give your money back pending you sending in the item back on a prepaid UPS mailer that you print out as part of the return process. BTW --- today is "black friday sale" at Amazon if you are a prime member. "Prime Day: More Deals than Black Friday | Exclusively for Prime Members Prime Day is a global shopping event, offering more deals than Black Friday, exclusively for Prime members. On Wednesday, July 15 new and existing members will be able to shop thousands of Lightning Deals, Deals of the Day, and will receive unlimited Free Two-Day Shipping. Members will find deals starting at midnight PDT, with new deals starting throughout the day, as often as every ten minutes. Not a Prime member? Try Prime today and get immediate access to deals on July 15." |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Art Webb on 07/15/15 at 07:37:32 well I have a virgin install of 8.1, so far no offer of 'free' 10 lol Any dual booted linux with 8.1 yet? |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/16/15 at 05:41:34 Yeah, I was a dummy and watched the amazon site most of the day....deals were not so great, Ebay is better. We did buy our cat another auto water contraption, the one that has a pump and makes like a faucet/waterfall. When the kittens were young the owner would leave a faucet running so they could drink, ruined the cat, she only drinks from a running faucet, so we bought the water fall auto water thingie. We have been looking for one for awhile just in case the one we have breaks, now we have a replacement. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/16/15 at 06:47:34 One thing that strikes me is that after 4 years of churning up new approach after new approach that MS is now plugging in 3rd party software bits and pieces when they can find one that works "better" than their stuff (or else perform roughly on the level of the industry leader, which depends on which bit your are talking about). It shows they are determined to do better AND that they still have money in their pockets to do so. A critical mind would say "desperate to do better" but that is OK since they are in a desperate situation, having lost over a third of the company's personnel in the last 3 years and being under the self-imposed deadline gun now with stockholders holding their feet in the fire to ship on time. They are generating some buzz and generating some hope that now that they actually created a better OS than their old products -- easy enough to do I would think. Good enough to lure business to change over from Win 7 ??? -- that is the real question. Win 10 won't be a success unless this happens. Business isn't doing anything until the pricing is known --- then they will weigh cost vs benefits. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Art Webb on 07/16/15 at 06:48:18 I had a cat like that, but no one ever taught her that, Miss Kitty was just like that from the start Considering she was a loving pet, and took training well, (I had her trained to where you could leave your plate in her reach and she wouldn't touch it, so long as you didn't have Stove Top Stuffing on it, that cat was mad for Stove top Stuffing. she picked it up in a paw and ate it out of her paw, rather than chomp it off the plate, which was cute, so I hadn't the heart to try to break her of it) leaving a faucet running wasn't so big a boo. i eventually bought the same sort of 'rock garden waterfall' so I could turn the faucet off |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/22/15 at 11:59:56 Went to do my daily "how's this thing running today" on my little laptop and started the update for win 10 pro insider preview build 10642. After about the third update and restart (15 min) something strange happened, when the reboot finished, I had a 4" large circle on my screen with a big ol' 0% and the words "Updating to Windows 10" and " We are updating, your computer will restart several times so, just sit back and relax" Well after about 45 minutes of "sitting and relaxing", I now have Windows 10 Pro (there are no insider words or build numbers anywhere on my screen and my "about this computer" says Windows 10 Pro, so I guess it is official and I have my first full update to the new windows 10. I don't know what's so "Pro" about it though, it doesn't have Cortana yet, and windows office is a "get office" option. I have a "notebook".... hmmmm, guess all pro's need that. It also has a few other things, i'll attempt to get a screen shot to show what it looks like. http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/IMG_20150722_151913764.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/IMG_20150722_151800132_HDR.jpg |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/22/15 at 13:46:02 Could not get the laptop to do a print screen no matter what key combo I would use.....sigh... I'll have to figure out what is happening there.... I think my net is being choked today, because all the computers are being really slow. >:( |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by verslagen1 on 07/22/15 at 15:09:10 try pushing the camera button :-? |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/24/15 at 20:53:11 Went out to best buy today, they had a sale on the Toshiba 1 & 2 TB external mini hard drives. The 1TB was $49.99 and the 2TB was $84.99, not a bad deal, especially since I had a $25 best buy gift card to burn. You guessed it, I bought the 2TB one, its about 5" X 3" X 1" and only uses the 3.0 USB to power it. Took about 1.5 hours to fully backup my big laptop, I usually let the backup software do its thing, then since it usually saves the files in its own format (this one did too, in .NFI files) I went ahead and did a drag and drop on my most important stuff. After I did all my backups I OK'd my system for the little Win10 thing on my task bar (remember that pic?), and all it does is to set you up for a "que" when widows 10 is ready to release. Even though I could probably use my insider disk to load it up, I think i'll just wait to see how long it will take for me to get my number to download onto my main laptop. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/25/15 at 07:35:00 Old_rider, Talos Principal is on sale 66% off on steam today. I know your wife likes the wandering around puzzle games and this is a good 'un. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/25/15 at 08:42:45 6241494B484141485F2D0 wrote:
Thanks, I will let her know.... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/25/15 at 08:45:22 Well while flippin' through the net this morning I ran across another win10 install story... I read the first one about 3 days ago and thought "hey, i'd like to follow how this guy does, since he uses way more stuff than I do". But alas I forgot to "fav" the link, but guess what, he has done a follow-up called "day 2"... and links his day one story in it.... This guy is pretty "savvy" on software, so i'll link his stories as I see them... http://reviews.gizmodo.com/windows-10-day-two-1720099952 |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/25/15 at 09:38:47 On voice recognition, I am hoping that Google, Cortana and Siri will finally listen to my suggestion of letting the consumer set the "wake up" key words for each of them. Why? you ask, well, I often hang out at places of imbibement and of course the inebriated on finding out I am a techie, will yell out stupid stuff, like, "ok google now, search porn" or "ok google now, where is the nearest adult store". They don't really know that Microsoft and Google save these searches in my history and I personally have no way to delete or erase them. By letting me setup my own "wake up" statement, I could alleviate all these pranks, these guys are really asses when they drink and I have complete strangers having "fun" with ol' bill. And to add, a customizeable screen lock would be great. I know a voice command sequence would prove great as a deterrent and I would not have to press my screen to activate my phone. Of course if you have a cold or a few drinks, it could prove challenging, but a secondary "keypad" unlock could solve that. Common' software guys! help a fella' out here! |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/26/15 at 14:29:23 Win 10 just autoforced an Nvidia update that included drivers that were misapplied and the update crashed all multi-monitor rig ups for several distinct brands of PC and monitor. Microsoft's plan that "one size fits all" is going to force users to stick inside a known set of hardware parameters or else suffer spontaneous breakage due to updates. And this is news for MS ???? Nope. Been that way all along, except now you CANNOT back away from a bad update by System Restore, etc. The new system as released is one way only. There are also known conflicts between major brand name device driver managers as installed on a good brand name laptop (they all manage their own device drivers, BTW) and what Win 10 does automatically. And MS has got to fix this prior to release, or else every driver issue or other update related breakage that occurs will count against their new baby's "success". :-? |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/26/15 at 16:19:54 And MS has another old issue raising its head again, mostly due to inattention during the "last minute release week furor" I suspect. As we barrel down into release week, Win 10 is currently preset to not allow the user access to the boot loader, which means you can't easily go add a Linux as a dual boot. Your existing Linux should remain OK since you are update/upgrading, but adding a new Linux down the road might be problematical. This means a little something here in America, but in Europe it is a real deal killer if it is permitted to remain that way through the end of this week. This is all part and parcel of the forced upgrade mess currently going on, Win 10 is obviously intended to be run from MS's end and the users become just users of a no-charge system that is totally controlled by MS. MS is shutting down that which conflicts with that forced upgrade system. This will actually not fly very well with the hard core Windows boys who want to tweek their Windows systems to suit themselves --- and it will get EU action called down on MS head right shortly if it remains set that way, even on the free Win 10 version. EU actions on false advertising are already being primed, for whenever Win 10 rolls over to the subscription model and isn't "free" as originally advertised. MS has already bit that bullet by their advertising so if they charge for Win 10, ever, they get that EU legal action right up the nose. It is suspected that the future subscription paid versions will have these sorts of uglies removed, but if you just want to stick with the free Win 10 you get what you get. Sorta like all those other free Windows world trial softwares that wind up being crippled in some critical fashion to encourage you to shell out for the premium version later on. Me, I see Free Win 10 being a transition version, intended mainly to kill off all past legal requirements for all old versions -- with Win 10 to be replaced by Win 11 as soon as all the legal dust settles with Win 11 being structured as pay me from the get go. BTW, since you are legally transferring your old license over to the new Win 10 license, your old software license ENDS totally and you have a case of "you can't go back" looking you in the eye if you decide you don't really like Win 10. This will get challenged and reversed in the EU eventually as well. But you don't live in the EU, now do you? ::) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/26/15 at 16:48:47 Why do Chromebooks work flawlessly and Win 10 does not? MS cannot handle the wide range of diversity out in PC land and hit all them little nails all right on the head on the very first swing of the hammer. Things keep moving around on them from machine to machine, and it drives MS crazy. Chromebooks have pre-certified completely known nail head locations (part of the hardware certification process) and it does not matter who builds a Google certified design, if they use the certified board design and certified parts it will all work correctly. So, if you expect Chromebook like reliability out of Win 10, you are going to have to use certified hardware. Apple could have told you that, silly boys ..... :D |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/26/15 at 22:53:01 Will getting rid of old slow legacy softwares really mean the new Edge browser will run that much faster? Yes. Bad news is a lot of older non-modern web based stuff contains a LOT of old nasty Flash and Java, etc. There will be a whole lot of web-choking going on starting next week when Edge won't run that old crap at all. Once the Win 10 phase in forces the web site people to get rid of all their stupid old softwares, then everybody's browsers will speed up accordingly on the very next update revision when they drop all their Flash and Java, etc. etc. Some more so than others ...... In a world of only modern software, will Edge be the fastest browser then? Likely not ..... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/26/15 at 23:02:52 Why can Chromebooks run everything (and I do mean everything) quickly and cleanly and while only using 1/2 the systems memory and hard drive space that will be required by the new Cloudbooks ??? Net powered Chromebook software uses Google server farm horsepower to pre-process things for your Chromebook. Always has. MS products all depend on local desktop processing, which requires a lot of processor and memory and drive space to do it on. And MS Cloudbooks get slower if you have a lighter processor or if you have to buffer stuff back & forth out of the MS cloud all the time because you only have twice as much systems memory as a Chromebook. (you really need 4 times as much systems memory and a 3-4 times more powerful processor to get anything close to quick as) :) ..... and the bad news is the Chromebook is faster even at half the memory. Give it the same amount of memory and the same processor speed as the porky Cloudbook and it jest screams along while jest a ripping through all them tasks. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/26/15 at 23:25:22 Is Win 10 finished, tested, polished and feature complete as it is being forced out the door? Heck no, but MS has freely stated this all along. The model they are basing on is like a Linux Distro, with daily endless updates and new features coming out all the time. A Linux Distro will let you pick what upgrades you want to allow to be installed, however. The good ones also allow backing out a bad upgrade as well. MS just thrusts it all down your throat with NO CHOICE and lets you gag on it. What's bad is you can't puke it back out later on if it really makes you sick. :P ...... this needs fixing, MS ...... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/27/15 at 08:15:43 http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-releases-tool-to-hide-or-block-unwanted-windows-10-updates/ Microsoft releases tool to hide or block unwanted Windows 10 updates "One of the most controversial decisions Microsoft made in its design of Windows 10 is a fundamental change to the way Windows Update works. Windows 10 Home offers no way to block security updates and new features. And even the Pro edition has only limited control over updates. That's sparked an outcry from Windows 10 testers (including my ZDNet colleague Adrian Kingsley-Hughes) accustomed to years of being able to pick and choose from a menu of updates each month. I've heard isolated (but legitimate) complaints this week from Windows 10 testers complaining that an updated Nvidia driver was causing havoc with their systems. One such tweet, from a longtime Windows tester, even managed to catch Gabe Aul's attention. When Windows 10 arrives this week, Windows Update won't include that blocking option, but Microsoft does have a well-hidden troubleshooter package, KB3073930, which allows you to hide or block Windows Updates and, crucially, driver updates." So, Ed Bott says some old work arounds are available inside the long lists of downloaded stuff the experimental guys have been getting all along. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/28/15 at 19:28:00 http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/07/27/windows-10-automatic-update-security-problems/ http://https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTc7yJtZHdDcAGIgtyhbUjIvHJkZLjHsQv355thv1dE48i5DwrL This is NOT the same issue as the Nvidia driver issue, that was yesterday's forced update disaster -- this is the brand new fresh for today much larger more serious and seen as much more widespread disaster -- TODAY'S update included two (2) totally brand new "dual threats for the price of one" update disasters. If it doesn't get your network adapter all hosed up it will turn instantly turn around and munch on your Internet Explorer system ..... Malware Attack ???? Who knows. And Forbes clarifies it all in their exact and "financially correct" fashion ...... "Well, here comes trouble. With just two days to go before release Windows 10’s controversial automatic update system has struck again and this time it is arguably even more serious… Following the Nvidia debacle, over the weekend Windows 10 pushed ‘KB3074681’ to Windows Insiders running Windows 10 Build 10240. This is presumed to be the same build as the final release consumers and businesses will receive on Wednesday. KB3074681 had no detailed information about what it contained but as it was classified as a ‘security’ patch it installed immediately and without warning to all versions of Windows 10 (Home, Pro and Enterprise) then promptly caused Windows Explorer to crash for a number of users." This one was so bad Microsoft had to talk to it to reassure the crowds that Win 10 isn't really a not quite ready for prime time altogether too too buggy piece of shite. The Temporary Fix "Gabe Aul, Microsoft’s Engineering General Manager, confirmed to Supersite For Windows that the company is working on a fix for KB3074681 and if users go to Programs and Features > Uninstall, choose the patch by clicking it just once and then click the ‘Uninstall’ button at the top of the list it will be removed. The crash was being triggered by the shortcut of double clicking the program you want to uninstall. Mark Wilson at BetaNews also found a second workaround using the Windows 10 Troubleshooter for those hit by KB3074681’s network adaptor crashes: Hit the Windows key, type ‘Troubleshooting’ and click the Troubleshooting icon. Click the ‘View all’ link to the left of the window. Click the ‘Network Adapter’ link and then click Next. Windows 10 will detect the disabled adapter and re-enable it without killing Explorer. He warns: “Now… leave it enabled until a new update is released or you’re going to have to go through this time and time again!” Tomorrows forced update will fix this issue and DO NOTHING ELSE THAT IS NEW -- Microsoft doesn't want to screw up their big gala introduction day celebration after all. ::) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/15 at 07:20:20 THE BIG ROLL OUT DAY And what does the mainstream press have to say about Win 10 on roll out day ??? http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/29/windows-10-review-microsoft-takes-a-step-back-to-move-forward.html "Starting today, Microsoft will try to reinvigorate its flagging Windows franchise, reignite falling PC sales, and maybe even save its almost invisible phone business with the release of just one product — Windows 10. At its heart, Windows 10, which will begin rolling out gradually as a free update, is a rescue mission. It's an attempt to almost fully backpedal from its 2012 predecessor, Windows 8 (they are skipping 9), which was a radical effort to redefine the way Windows looked and worked. That experiment failed to win the hearts and wallets of consumers, and is estimated to have only about a 16 percent share of global PC users. Also, the near-final build I've been testing proved surprisingly buggy. In particular, I had trouble with Windows 10's sexiest new feature, the voice-controlled Cortana intelligent assistant — Microsoft's answer to Apple's Siri — which has migrated from Windows Phones to the PC. And I advise would-be upgraders who aren't enthusiasts to wait to upgrade at least for a few months, until the product is more stable and reliable." All of the above was lifted from directly from Recode by CNBC and reported as NEWS, by golly .... tells us that CNBC reporters are getting really really lazy in the modern era, no? Complete cut and paste journalism no less. http://recode.net/2015/07/28/windows-10-review-microsoft-takes-a-step-back-to-move-forward/ PS Click on and read your little Win 10 upgrade icon in your taskbar -- it has a message for you. In essence it says ..... We are working with our partners to make the Win 10 upgrade applicable to all the strange hardware we have detected in your machines. When we get there, you'll get your Win 10 installation. If you want to take too much from this past week of chaos and the wording of the little note, maybe you'll never arrive at Win 10 because MS will eventually disallow your hardware mix as "unsupportable". That's one way to force you to go buy something new and "approved" ain't it -- just make you wait forever for your upgrade because you are "unsupportable". ...... rest easy, Linux Mint Mate will auto detect and support what you have, whatever it is ........ |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by verslagen1 on 07/29/15 at 07:43:41 waiting for a new release of windows to get stable is old school. 8-) and by the time it gets stable, it's a lot cheaper, but now it's free and later it may not be. :-? |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/15 at 07:56:45 Actually, MS has been sufficiently threatened by EU action now and I think Win 10 will remain free until it gets replaced by the next version (or PCs become totally a backwater issue). People are now asking why Vista and XP were not supported, and I think the root issue there is that when you go back to that era 32 bit systems were more prevalent back then and Win 10 isn't 32 bit at all. Plus a lot of the motherboard and card vendors from back then have been out of business for over 5 years and NO 64 BIT DRIVERS EVER EXISTED for these items and MS has no big crew to go write them again, so fuggitaboutit is the answer MS has come up with. HERE IS THE LATEST REPORTED WORD ON THE BIG RELEASE http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/28/9045331/microsoft-windows-10-review This one is an original, well written full sized article from the Verge. I like them, they have a good balance when reporting but they do sling facts as facts and they make no apologies for doing so. "It’s easy to recommend Windows 10 as an upgrade for anyone on Windows 7 and Windows 8, but maybe not just yet. "Wait for service pack 1" has always been the default advice for new versions and Windows, and it absolutely applies here. During my testing on a variety of hardware, I’ve run into a lot of bugs and issues — even with the version that will be released to consumers on launch day. Some range from basic problems like app icons on the task bar disappearing, all the way up to my audio randomly failing or blue screens. I don’t own every PC configuration out there, but as I look at others expressing frustration over these odd issues on Twitter, it’s clear I’m not alone. Even during Microsoft’s review demonstration of Windows 10, a PC rebooted due to a blue screen. THAT’S THE NATURE OF THE WINDOWS CYCLE: BAD VERSION, THEN A GOOD VERSION Everything about Windows 10 feels like a new approach for Microsoft, and I’m confident these early bugs and issues will be addressed fairly quickly. I’m hoping and expecting that as we approach the holiday season, we’ll see a more finished Windows 10. If you can deal with a few oddities here and there and you’re frustrated with Windows 8, then by all means upgrade now. But if you depend on your Windows computer on a daily basis and it’s working fine for you, you should hold off until everything is a little more polished. Microsoft is rolling out daily updates at the moment, so it might only be a matter of weeks until things are fixed. Windows 10 is a work in progress, and it’s at the early part of its life right now." :) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/15 at 08:33:40 http://liliputing.com/2015/07/what-do-you-think-of-windows-10-so-far.html And now, here come the polls ..... Worth reading and clicking just to see what the vast majority of people are thinking about Win 10 on roll out day. Rest assured, Gabe Abdul is reading as many polls as he can find and is adjusting his "sales pitch" accordingly. .... actually, I found myself wanting to click on two of them, and sure enough they were #1 and #2 on the hit parade. ;D |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/15 at 11:12:58 Ta Da !!!! Welcome to Win 10 and the brand new, improved Blue Screen of Death experience ..... http://https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLDnv7QVAAA6Qxj.jpg Many folks are getting this experience as the Win 10 upgrade breaks in mid stride, leaving them with a tanked machine. Go, Microsoft, Go !!!! ....... as to where to go, that's optional depending on if you have a report due out this afternoon and it and your machine is temporary toast ....... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/15 at 11:17:20 http://www.newsweek.com/windows-10-features-upgrade-review-microsoft-358027 Newsweek reports on Upgrading to Windows 10—and 5 Reasons Why You'll Want to Wait http://https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLDnv7QVAAA6Qxj.jpg |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/15 at 11:18:52 Microsoft has cut off all business upgrading across the board until they fix a few things ....... and create an upgrade checklist about how much time you have available and do you have any job critical reports due soon, etc. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/15 at 11:59:45 http://liliputing.com/2015/07/how-to-get-windows-10-right-now.html How to get Windows 10 right now In response to MS stopping the gravy train until the gravy is all properly cooked, well, who the heck do they think they are? God or sumpthin' ??? http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/win10-upgrade_01.jpg I like option #3 --- make MS geek !!!! FORCE THEM TO GIVE IT TO YOU !!!! Gabe Abdul is a flipping his hair over and speaking very angrily about all them impatient MS fans who are totally jumping the gun right now and "force downloading" the current (somewhat broken) stuff that MS obviously hasn't got the drivers all rigged quite right for your particular machine just yet ..... What this will do is make MS formally announce a Win 10 delay and pull the download pages down --- which is what they needed to do in the first place. Bunch o' broken machines out there in Woggle land tonight ..... one heck of a Grand Intro Day, huh? Gabe flips his hair back over again after shaking his head too hard Aren't you sorry you went and disabled the System Restore points, Gabe old boy? Might want to put it back AND make it a required step in the process, huh? ;) I am enjoying this too much, huh? |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/29/15 at 12:21:23 Well I downloaded it today, per my own way..... control panel/system and security/windows update. Worked for me, didn't have to wait in que...... I was going to do an in depth report on all the times for each screen, how long each segment took /w times and ended up just sitting, watching and writing for 3 hours. Yup from 10:10 to 12:33 was the download and install, I then spent the next 30 minutes trying to figure out where the display drivers for my laptop were and installed them. I have lost my keyboard shortcut keys and don't know how to get them back, when I did finally get the drivers loaded my display was super bright and seems to have returned to super bright after I logged on to the new IE (yeah they have a new name for it, but its explorer 11). All of my programs and pictures and music and all that stuff are where they were before the upgrade, but my IE favorites are no where to be found, so I have lost some very important information on stuff I really wanted to keep track of, like family gravesite locations, truck part retailers, motorcycle part retailers ect..... it did however keep my password for this site (go figure, and I haven't gone to other sites yet to see if they are there). The browser (edge) is a bit different and will take a little getting used to, I haven't loaded Cortana on this one yet but probably will so I can use her to search faster than I can type. Edge is fast....for now.... I don't know if it builds up a cache like the older browsers so we shall see. I will go through all my programs over the next few days and see if any of them are having problems. I have noticed that the windows programs are from what I can see still there, like movie maker, music and windows picture viewer..... along with the games, so maybe it was just a software side write instead of an "overwrite", meaning it didn't delete any of the old software programs, just left them be. Maybe the new complete disc version of windows won't have all that stuff, if there is a new disc version. I did hear that if I accepted windows 10, that my windows 8.1 license is now null and void and cannot be used again.... however.... if my laptop crashes and I have to use my backup discs, it will let me and then update me to windows 10 again. So far so good, my little laptop got me started, so I wasn't too afraid, and I am wondering if I get to keep the Windows 10 Pro that's on my little laptop verses the Windows 10 Home this one now has. Like I said a few posts back, the pro version really doesn't have anything "pro" about it. You would think it would have office or excel or some other office programs loaded on it. More on this stuff later.... a big storm has moved in and i'll probably lose my connection a couple of times... EDIT: I found out how to "import" my favorites into my browser.... I am happier now.... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/15 at 17:36:18 http://www.pcworld.com/article/2952507/windows/windows-10-launches-with-its-fair-share-of-bugs.html http://core3.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/07/windows-10-bug-something-happened-100599122-large.png "Microsoft’s been candid in claiming that Windows 10 will never be perfect. The company used millions of Windows Insider beta testers to help squash bugs before launch. But as more and more users download, install, and test the new OS, notable issues are coming to light." Oh my, copy function won't copy, headphones won't unmute, the download process itself is broken, oh yes, there are TONS of little nasty buggies to fix. Lots of hardware incompatibilities, lots of sneaky little "it don't work with la de da" issues and some right embarrassing stuff where "it just isn't there yet" (stuff that is not completed yet and isn't released yet but other parts of the system are sending calls to it). No Windows release at any time has been this fraught with simple trash type errors, ever. Windows ME wasn't this bad (although it never got totally fixed and never got all totally better either). Microsoft got all lazy during the big push to get Win 10 out -- they forgot about polish and QC functions just about completely. I think the majority of IT managers who were considering rolling early from Win 7 just did a massive rethink (rightfully so). Microsoft looked like a company that had cut a third of its workforce in order to cut cost -- and it performed about like it too. Today was the WORST thing MS could have done to themselves in their efforts to be your "one and only operating system". |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/15 at 17:50:00 http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/operating-systems/windows-10-launch-live-blog--1300327 And here is the total compendium of ALL found issues and temporary fixes including a convoluted fix to all the downloader issues that were found today. Many of these fixes are included in the DAY ONE patch that MS pushed out later on in the afternoon. However many were not able to be patched as they are incompatibilities between Win 10 and older software written with older tools. http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/operating-systems/microsoft-delivers-a-massive-windows-10-patch-to-fix-early-bugs-1300594 "Windows 10 may only be a matter of hours old but Microsoft has put the finishing touches to a humongous Day One patch. First reported by WinBeta, the day one patch is around 1GB in size and as such contains plenty of different fixes to last minute bugs that made it into the final release due to the fact they arrived too late for Microsoft to fix them. The patch itself is a mere 500MB in size, however, this expands to the size mentioned above when it is applied and there are two different files that can already be downloaded depending on whether you have an X86 or X64 system. You only need to download the files yourself if you haven't downloaded Windows 10 as an upgrade because the installation will automatically be updated to 10240.16405 as soon as you decide to make the jump to the new OS. More bugs soon? Releasing this patch hot on the heels of the OS itself makes it even less likely that any large scale bugs will affect the OS in its early days, however, it remains an almost nailed-on certainty that more small bugs will be discovered in the coming days." I read this and realized the Day One Patch was for KNOWN bugs that were there when the day started (couldn't be rolled into the download mirrors in time). This humongus load of crap was SENT OUT TO YOU, AS KNOWN AND UNFIXED. Not well played, MS -- not good form at all. >:( ...... and here comes the Day 2 Patch, and the Day 3 Patch and the Day 4 Patch ....... each patch size doubling as it has to include the previous patch materials. Service Pack 1 is coming rapidly at this sort of rate. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/15 at 18:37:37 http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-problems-experience Here is a well written listing of the major issues seen prior to Win 10 launch day. So many were repeated on the Day 1 reports it is worthwhile to mention that they were PRE-EXISTING flaws that MS couldn't / didn't fix in time. The scope and size if the KNOWN PRE-EXISTING flaws that were allowed to go to into Launch Day is positively demeaning for the guys at MS. MS deserves all the black eyes and butt kicking they are going to get from the computing press over this mess ..... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/15 at 18:52:10 My wife was seeing news on her iPad today from the Apple folks concerning the Win 10 launch day. She got a phone call from a peer who had crashed her Win 8.1 machine during the upgrade process. Then all the Apple folks on iNews were having a field day with Win 10 Launch Day problems and issue reports --- my wife has now instructed me to leave her 3 Windows laptops ALONE and do not upgrade them, period. EVER. "If they last until we retire, that is good enough." I tried to explain that we are NOT IN CONTROL of what Microsoft goes and does to a Win 7 or Win 8 machine using the new forced auto update EULA. "Then buy me a Mac for Christmas". |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by jcstokes on 07/29/15 at 19:02:14 Out here in the world of computer illiteracy, I noticed a get Windows 10 icon thing has disappeared from the right bottom corner of my monitor screen. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/29/15 at 20:39:40 Funny, both my systems are running and I had no crashes with either load. I knew all the drivers were not going to be included in the software, I have fixed the video one, still working on my "hotkeys", but I think it is with asus and I have been lazy this afternoon. I got my phones to synch and can transfer files and contacts. I have yet to try my digital camera, but since the phones have the same usb type, there should not be a big deal. As with any windows download there are going to be those folks that only point out the errors (which for me were very few) and not any of the good points. Edge is a really fast browser, I don't know what they did to it, but it flies right along, even with 8 pages open and who knows how many ad video files loading up on it. When I first started up Edge my computer slowed and I did a task manager search to find that my drive was being clobbered at 97% usage, memory was about medium usage, but I found that it was because of the internet explorer 11 updates. They might call it edge, but the drivers that were loaded would flash IE 11 lines now and then. I am still trying my software items and my games, they all have worked, I have only had to adjust the brightness on a couple. I am actually playing one of the games (WoW) as i'm typing this, and it and Edge are still running fast. I also have my Microsoft picture viewer open along with media, still no slowing. I do hear my hard drive do its thing every now and then, but I've always heard that, but it does seem to do it less often now, also my heat fan does not rev to max very often now, it used to max out about every 5 or 6 minutes for about 30 seconds then go back to normal speed. I suppose I should start my computer monitor (it monitors speed, cpu usage, heat, ect...) LOL, if I can remember what directory I put it in. :) Happy with the load so far.... moving right along.... it will probably take me a day or so to figure out about my keyboard shortcuts (probably will just be a driver update from asus or amd), but i'm sure I will. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/15 at 21:40:43 Old_Rider You were (and still are) a Win 10 Beta tester -- you are in the fast ring for getting updates and the stuff you get is still the furtherest along level of "pre-released" stuff. Plus, you are more used to the system than most of the folks hitting it today are. What amazes me is MS can orchestrate that many updates, period. Over a billion people touched MS update today for new files, etc. Yes, the number of flaws is few compared to the number of things that went right, but nobody (not Apple, not me, certainly not my wife) is going to give MS much credit for a launch that was as flawed like this one certainly was. That list of shite was KNOWN about, but not fixed. PUSHED out intentionally, in a broken state, to real end users. To meet a deadline, which was just to keep some big investors happy. MS is supposed to be emulating Linux Distros -- who (with the exception of Ubuntu) DO NOT put out new versions until they are completely debugged and completely ready. Linux Mint people would have had an absolute litter of kittens and changed distros ASAP if Clem at Linux Mint ever did anything remotely resembling what MS just did. Old, you signed up to be a Beta Tester, the rest of these fine folks who got burned by Win 10 today did NOT sign up for a Beta software experience. They were all pumped up by Gabe and the MS publicity machine. They were not expecting those raw jagged edges on lots of stuff, which is what they actually got sent to them. What I see different from the past version launches is the computing press is not singing in the choir this time, but are telling it like it is (good and bad). :-[ Oooops ..... MS has screwed their Win 10 pooch again -- and the SPCA is after them for doing it out in public. Surprise -- you are all Beta Testers now. ;) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/15 at 22:09:41 JC, I suspect a lot of 'Win 10 ready states' got reviewed and taken back until some stuff actually really gets fixed for real and permanent. If you have a known video card driver issue, or some other basic part of your machine isn't tied down completely as far as Win 10 goes you won't see your little icon back for a while. I have an older Toshiba machine, and I will get my "go" later on after Toshiba geeks the drivers and such they have been asked for. Since Toshiba is all tied up in its nickers about lying to its stockholders right now (and finding a new CEO after the scandal killed off the last one) they may be slow to do this sort of homework for MS ---- on older machines especially. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by jcstokes on 07/29/15 at 22:32:44 Thanks OF, don't think I have ever brought a video card if that's how you get them. PC is a five to seven year old HP, I think it was a run out when I brought it new five years ago. I have one game I occasionally use, a Russian pistol shooting game, other than that it's email, a little YouTube, this forum and two antique car ones and general surfing. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/29/15 at 22:58:51 jc, sounds like you might not be able to even download windows 10, probably only have 2gig of ram and your video card will probably have a 512k cache. It might be better for you if you got ahold of a low priced tablet if all you do is surf the net and do emails. I bought a cheap RCA, but would not recommend it now that I've seen a lot of replies to my video. For about $125 you can probably pick up a good 8-10" tablet from Samsung that will do you good, you could also just keep your PC and use it like you are now. Like they say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" :) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by jcstokes on 07/30/15 at 00:58:08 OR and OF, my computer has this in it, you might know if it is Windows 10 capable. I thank you OR as I wiped five years dust off various vent holes to take the picture. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/30/15 at 03:55:36 JC, With these specs you fall within the range of what Win 10 should support. I don't know why you lost your little Window icon -- MS has had beaucoup little issues with their upgrade system, so you are one of thousands who can't get the window to show up. For you to have it and then LOSE it infers that it was removed by MS due to something. We may be wrong in this assumption. It may mean they ain't got a clue about what happened this time ....... So, this new blue screen announcement may mean exactly what it says in the new Beta Mode MS mind set. http://core3.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/07/windows-10-bug-something-happened-100599122-large.png |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/30/15 at 06:22:18 The icon disappeared from my desktop on the 28th, I had just attributed it to my signing up for the que. I'll have to look at the wife's, but it has probably disappeared because win10 is available for download now. If you don't feel comfortable with new software, don't download.... heck if your system is working, don't download, until they tell you that your stuff won't work. Or if your stuff stops working and won't work without the upgrade. The wife is keeping her laptop in the windows 8.1 mode until hell freezes over, or it updates to 10 automatically...LOL.... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/30/15 at 06:36:22 Yup, women hate computer upgrades. ::) ...... it makes them feel dumb and helpless --- and God help you if you go do that to her ...... I mentioned the computing press are not being gentle with MS over the Launch Day Debacle. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2953307/microsoft-windows/windows-10-is-for-suckers.html Windows 10 is for suckers This is the Defensive Computing guru at Computerworld speaking his mind. Read what he has to say, as he thinks you are MAD AS A HATTER if you go jump on Win 10 before Service Pack 1 is out. Win 10 was rushed to market with absolutely NO SOFTWARE QC EVALUATION being in evidence --- indeed he offers the thought hat MS doesn't even know exactly what the various MS development areas pushed out as their "contributions to the whole" during deadline day. (this falls in line with all the broken software calls to various other functions that didn't get shipped yet by another area/group) Then he quotes the Arstechnica guy for other important pertinent information. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/review-windows-10-is-the-best-version-yet-once-the-bugs-get-fixed/ Review: Windows 10 is the best version yet—once the bugs get fixed This guy mentions Flash (a lite version) was actually shipped deep inside Explorer 11 which is an interior portion of MS Edge that you can call up by clicking on "View using IE 11" which pops up when viewing flash bearing web sites. Then you got this guy .... who wrote this last week (and turns out he was spot on). http://www.computerworld.com/article/2945195/microsoft-windows/9-reasons-not-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-yet.html 9 reasons not to upgrade to Windows 10 -- yet ;) Happy Win 10 everybody |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/30/15 at 13:28:55 Well, there are a few out there that are reporting good things, and factual things about windows 10 and not just diss'n a company because they dislike them, much like the Harley guys do to sport bikers and Sport guys do to Harley guys..... Comparisons are a good thing, this guy explains how he deals with change, negatives and positives. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2954997/emerging-technology/dont-bother-with-microsoft-windows-10-until-you-read-this.html Funny that the links are both computer world.... another one that reports it in a good light...:) https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/5-common-problems-people-having-windows-10-fix-194100862.html |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by jcstokes on 07/30/15 at 13:42:29 I'll try and heed the advice, unless Win 10 mysteriously appears somehow. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/30/15 at 15:19:01 4E4D455348454453210 wrote:
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D 'sfunny -- I read these and I hear politely worded criticism, but criticism all the same. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2954997/emerging-technology/dont-bother-with-microsoft-windows-10-until-you-read-this.html Don't bother with Microsoft Windows 10 until you read this "Let me be your guinea pig on this one. I’ve been testing the beta for several weeks. HP just sent me an Elite X2 laptop with Windows 10 preloaded. And, I’ve been testing and using Windows since the 2.0 release back when people used to question a “windowing” interface. I’ve been testing Windows laptops for a decade or more. The first thing you should do before making the upgrade is to look closely at the gear you have attached to your computer. I mean closely. You might already know that Microsoft has put great effort into making sure just about every printer and scanner in the known universe will work with the new OS, but what if you own one from an unknown universe? More to the point, if you have really odd peripherals — say, a 3D printer or maybe a drone that needs constant driver updates — think twice about jumping on the download so quickly. Check with the peripheral maker first. Second, ask yourself some tough questions about why you are updating. Are you an early adopter? It’s definitely less risky than being one of the first people to drive an autonomous car or use a new VR headset when there are so few VR apps. You can expect Chrome to run smoothly (I’m using Google Docs on Chrome running on Windows 10 right now). But any new OS will have some issues. Maybe they are security-related. Maybe your accounting app will crash. Be ready to spend time tinkering and have a good backup plan (and a good backup). At least do the upgrade during a time when you don't have a ton of projects due." And this one ...... https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/5-common-problems-people-having-windows-10-fix-194100862.html 5 common problems people are having with Windows 10 – and how to fix them "Activation issues First and foremost, some people are reporting difficulty activating Windows 10 once it’s installed. The bad news is there’s really nothing you can do on your end to fix it. The good news, however, is that this issue usually resolves itself after a few minutes. Chrome is crazy Chrome browser users are running into a bunch of problems with bogging and slow-downs, especially which performing heavy tasks like streaming video. We’ll have to wait for Google to iron out the bugs but in the meantime, killing all your extensions will help a bit. If that doesn’t help, try reinstalling Chrome. Where are my favorites? The new Edge browser is sooooo much better than Internet Explorer. To be fair, it would be difficult to make a browser worse than IE, but Edge is a nice simple browser that’s quick and clean. But where are your favorites? Click the … button to open the menu and then click Settings. Scroll to Import favorites from another browser, and then choose your old browser and click Import. Folder fail According to some users, there actually is one area where Windows 8 is better than Windows 10: The email app in Windows 10 doesn’t allow people to create subfolders when organizing their email. For most people, this is hardly an issue. Unfortunately for people who do have an issue with it, there’s no fix for the time being. Connectivity complaints A number of Windows 10 users are complaining that their Wi-Fi is cutting out and it won’t reconnect. This is actually a pretty common problem across all versions of Windows, and the fix is the same as it is for Windows 8, Windows 7, and every other version out there: Reboot. Some users have said that disabling Wi-Fi sharing helps make Wi-Fi connectivity a bit more stable. This has not been verified, but you can find instructions for disabling Wi-Fi sharing in Windows 10 right here." Yes, these folks are trying to provide answers, as are the ones who are now teaching people how to get back to Win 7 temporarily, as are the ones who are saying "Don't go there until Service Pack 1 comes out." And this guy's take on Chrome being broken and that it is Google's baby to fix is sorta ludicrous ..... Google Chrome works great on all other OS systems and it worked fine on Win 7 and Win 8/8.1 until Win 10 broke all the background services that the browser used to use. This gets into a peeve item that I have personally, Win 10 says I can't have my installation until Toshiba "updates all the drivers used in my laptop". So, Win 10 has broken all past 64 bit drivers and 32 bit drivers and it is the OEM's responsibility to rewrite them all? For 7 year old stuff? It ain't gonna happen in this lifetime. My peeve is that Win 10's arrogant behavior isn't reality based -- they are telling all of the old Toshiba laptop users to go take a hike. And they will, either by staying on Win 7 (which works just dandy on all the stuff that Win 10 fails on so miserably) or going over to a Linux variant (which once again works fine on everything except Win 10). Toshiba, if they hurried, might be able to fix all the old drivers, etc for my 7 year old machine so it could use Win 10 just about in time for Win 10 to stop being free. And what makes anybody think that MS is done changing Win 10's requirements enough to make that effort even possible? :-? |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/30/15 at 17:07:59 http://reviews.gizmodo.com/windows-10-day-five-1720608388 Oh my goodness they are computer journalists and they have taken Windows 10 to work ....... Can you say broken, very broken ..... with a few not completely there items as well. Not only is Win 10 broken it has managed to break perfectly good functioning software like Google Chrome. So he tried to use Edge instead ..... ::) Just read it -- I can't make this any better or worse than it already is. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/30/15 at 17:10:01 I see we look at them differently, I see mild criticism, but at the same time they are happy with what they have gotten and tell the users what can be done to fix something. I am not seeing all these "issues", the browser favorites was probably because he had chrome, mine imported just fine. I guess Google and Microsoft need to share drivers and learn to get along. And I can tell he is a Google chrome fanboy..... like I said I don't do favorites, I just use what is available and go from what i'm comfortable with. I have been using all my programs and games today and even made a video with out a glitch at all. I'm not buying into the "be afraid, be very afraid" stuff that is going around. What I was understanding from windows is that we would only have to "pay" for stuff that the free windows version did not include, like always. Office, Excel, Powerpoint ...ect... the Office Suite stuff. If my system crashes because of a flakey update, I can still use my original windows 8 recovery disks to reload my original windows, however, after the fix It would automatically call for me to upgrade back to windows 10, and hopefully not do a vicious circle of load /crash /load :) Sounds to me like a lot of the companies that write software for use with windows 10 still don't have updates yet, or Microsoft software engineers didn't fix them all before the release and probably didn't share any win 10 code.... I'm still tootin' right along happy as a lark, and know i'll eventually get my keyboard shortcuts fixed, i'll probably log into a forum at Microsoft and pregnant dog about it....err ok, explain what is happening, or what is NOT happening :) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/30/15 at 17:25:15 Here's your catch 22, nobody is going to write any fixes for Windows 10's "other software type issues" until Win 10 quits changing and becomes stable. It would be fruitless to do so. Microsoft changed every driver and system and broke everyone else's softwares. Is this a gimmick trick to try to get folks to use only Microsoft written softwares? If so you can count on Microsoft being in court very very shortly both in the USA and the EU. Remember, Microsoft is forcing you to take this upgrade as it is your required "auto update" upgrade path. Because they broke everything else are they also forcing you to use Office365 and their Edge browser? Or are you like Old_Rider and you already use only Microsoft products? If so you may be fine. Mostly, anyway. http://reviews.gizmodo.com/windows-10-the-gizmodo-review-1720872266 Boys and girls, there's an entire series of articles involved in this to cover the first 10 days of Windows 10 being used by this particular tech writer person and his whole team. Remember to expand each paragraph into the full series of articles to get all the info presented. And towards the very end he drops these words of wisdom. "What you should take away from this is that your mileage may, can, and will vary. And, yeah, that you should probably wait a few weeks or months before you upgrade your personal computers. Everyone seems to agree on that." |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/31/15 at 05:00:04 Hey, Microsoft is listening. They may do that better than they used to, which is a good thing. http://liliputing.com/2015/07/dont-like-windows-10-you-can-roll-back-within-30-days.html http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/go-back.jpg Recovery just grew a new option, but it is only good for 30 days after you first install, so it is recommended for you to wait a bit for Win 10 to even out some and then CAREFULLY upgrade to it, and if it fouls up on you then use the go-back trick shown here and stick with what you have that is already up and working well with all your softwares until MS gets better with Win 10. MS admits to driver issues and a lot of broken 2nd party softwares. They are listening to the people who are NOT HAPPY with this situation and giving them a back away until MS has time to fix some of these issues. Hey, Microsoft is listening. They may do that better than they used to, which is a good thing. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/31/15 at 05:55:28 There are 14 million Win 10 installs now out there active in computing land -- and the user feedback is coming in that the new features are nice, if they worked right. 2nd party software though isn't working all that well at all at the moment. Many 2nd party softwares have been negatively affected by MS's choices, and some suspicion has come up that this is an intention ploy by MS to promote Office 365 and its own MS softwares (which do not seem to be affected like the 2nd party stuff has been). The very first of a long list of Win 10 "affected" 2nd party softwares speaks up ..... http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/30/9076445/mozilla-microsoft-windows-10-browser-default-apps-complaint Mozilla blasts Microsoft for making it harder to switch to Firefox in Windows 10 "Microsoft has altered Windows 10 so that users have to explicitly set a default app for applications like mail, calendar, or web browsers. The change means the setup installers for Chrome and Firefox can no longer set themselves as the default browser during the install process. Mozilla isn’t happy with this change, and the company is calling on Microsoft to reverse what it calls an "aggressive move to override user choice on Windows 10." In a blog post and open letter to Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella, Mozilla CEO Chris Beard outlines the company’s concerns. "It now takes more than twice the number of mouse clicks, scrolling through content and some technical sophistication for people to reassert the choices they had previously made in earlier versions of Windows," claims Beard. "It’s confusing, hard to navigate and easy to get lost." Please note these same issues apply to Google Chrome, Libre Office, Open Office, etc. with even more complexity reserved for the Linux Distros. If these complainants join together as a block and take their issues to the EU Free Trade Commission ...... (same nasty trick MS did to Google this past spring You know, turn about is fair play, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, what goes around comes around, etc. etc.) ::) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/31/15 at 06:32:09 Yeah, Mozilla is mad because it takes a few more "mouse clicks" to make their browser the default. I really don't understand all that though....Mozilla is making their living off of Microsoft and gives them no rent money and they expect Microsoft to cowtow to them for a Mozilla based browser install..... I would think using IE browser for install would be a no brainer, since IE is a Microsoft product, use it to install windows 10 and then switch back to the Mozilla product, same with Google... Its Microsoft's software.... if you don't want to use it.... use something else, there are other laptops out there with mac software, google chrome (not really a full blown OS though), and of course the rebel guys Linux based ..... Can't wait for the software battles that are going to come from auto companies vers the little guys that build entertainment systems and power enhancement for cars and trucks. The big question is with the software giants is....... how long are they supposed to hold on to antiquated software when equipment and accessories have progressed passed them? How long do car companies keep making spare parts? Does Ford still make the 1950's car parts? 60's? 70's? Maybe after say 10 years Microsoft gives up their license and lets an aftermarket company take over the "updates" for the old version software? of course not without getting a piece of the pie and keeping a handle on the code. Of course people would then say they are "passing the buck". At least that way, some of the burden would be lifted from the code guys and they could concentrate on making a new "upgrade" come out right the first time. Got me thinking about upgrading the wife's machine.... we both have always had duplicate laptops. When we upgrade, we both do the same exact model, make with all the same internals. (I do this because we both play world of Warcraft and it is graphically rich and needs the power of a good system to be enjoyable to play) Yet, her computer always seems to have "quirks" and get Trojans more often than mine. Her 8.1 update was "automatic" in the back round because she chose not to have to "press the ok button" every other day for an update. Me on the other hand, I always do the upgrades and updates myself (not automatic) and tend to run into errors and problems I have to fix, but, I don't have all the issues later on down the line that she has, mainly because I go looking for the drivers from the companies rather than use Microsoft software drivers. I guess if you are going to upgrade to Windows 10, check that your accessories have windows 10 updates (printers, mice, joysticks, routers, monitors, ect..) that way you won't have any issues, or fewer ones. It would be like buying a car that only runs on 101% octane because its the stuff! and realizing that your local gas station doesn't sell that octane yet. Should the car company have to wait until all the gas stations sell 101% before it puts out the new model? (my be a little drastic, but to me that's what it seems like). All in all though, read about what others are having problems with and if you see something that mirrors your system ( multi-monitor errors), wait until folks start reporting that they have fixed that error before you download windows 10, or just give it a year, like all the other upgrades from Microsoft, it takes about that long before people realize that change is going to happen and jump in the boat to keep from drowning (or being behind the progress). ;) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/31/15 at 07:12:13 In my opinion, or I think, or it is my take on the matter that ...... 8-) I think the core of Mozilla's complaint is that you have to have considerable technical expertise in Win 10 to get deep enough to do a new install and then do the SEPARATE CONVOLUTED STEPS to make Mozilla Firefox to be your preferred browser. NOBODY has that level of expertise yet. MS has functionally put a skills/knowledge barrier in place for folks wanting to install the Firefox browser. MS has actually blocked Mozilla from making up an automatic install system for Firefox. This is not good. This fight has history, you know. Microsoft already lost this battle with Netscape twice already, paid billions in fines, got scrutinized for anti-trust (and lost) and there is now lots of legal precedence and still in force legal constraints on MS to not try to lock people into their browser (or their office products either). :) And what name does Netscape go under now-a-days? Yup, Mozilla. Is Mozilla's complaint valid? Yep, as is Google's not yet voiced complaint. Normal people are having issues with browsers that worked well two days ago and MS's conscious choices are at the root of those failures. The fact is that MS did things that tilted the playing field which made Edge shine and partially crippled the other browser products. In the EU's eyes it makes no difference if they did it on purpose or not, they MUST fix it ASAP. In the US courts, it is a repeated offense against two prior judgments, and will get some serious repercussions if it goes through the US courts again. Mozilla could go back with additional claims against the last case that the US Courts decided in their favor, and by doing so get a much more rapid judgement against MS. And now they can prove a repeated pattern of abuse which multiplies the award $$$ they would be given. ::) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 07/31/15 at 08:03:52 "convoluted steps" yeah, like I said "more mouse clicks" Still, they are riding Microsoft's coat tails and bitching about it being dacron and not cotton. I still say they should have to do their own OS (does Ford have to make Chevy compatible parts?), just like Google should.... and Google will eventually break into the PC/Laptop field fully, it has already proven it can. Sure Microsoft is King.... but the surrounding villages are now building their own fortresses and amassing armies of users, it won't be long until you can order your preferred Hardware and software OS combination when you buy a laptop or PC or tablet. Look at "Open Office", I use it instead of paying for Microsoft office, and can save a file in Microsoft office format, why do I need MO? Also, there are free program "knock-offs" for every Microsoft pay to use software. So why use Microsoft products? Because we are "used to them", we grew up using them, and now we are using phones with the weird green robot, and asking google where we are going to eat next. Our kids are growing up using a multitude of different operating systems that don't like "talking to each other", but each system has good and bad sides. If we follow what everyone thinks is the "next step in evolution of software" OPEN SOURCE, then who pray tell will control that? where are the checks and balances needed to make sure there are not any hacks? or antihack hacks? I think there should be a universal .alinone file type for all document types to follow, same with pictures and videos and spread sheet layouts and performance document layouts... that way everyone could use them no matter what OS they have. It is getting there.... .jpg is the standard now for pictures (or the most used), mp4 for video (most used) see where i'm going? Standardize file types and the problem with software communication would end. I just went into my privacy settings on win10... why does my calendar need access to my camera? why does any Microsoft program or any app other than say a video capture, chat or skype need access to my camera? radio needs access to my microphone? Because the app folks want use of those features and will sue Microsoft if the cannot access your camera or microphone, because Microsoft would block them if they could (even though a Microsoft product could use them). I wonder if Google will allow me to block access to stuff like windows 10 is doing? Third party apps are killing the security of the internet, and guess who is to blame? Microsoft... why? um because they are responsible for your security if you use their product, well, they used to be.... they aren't now, because those "add-on" browsers and programs sued for rights to hack your systems and of course Microsoft was happy to pay the fines, so they could re-write the EULA to read "we are not responsible for the use of side loading or add-on software, or non-Microsoft programs that compromise the security of your system" Any way... I started this to post to track my win10 experience..... and i'm going off tangent.... LOL....easy to do on a rainy day. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/31/15 at 09:43:57 Old_Rider, I think its all in fun, except when the big dollar signs get involved and the market share numbers dip, then it gets all sorts of serious for the people involved. MS is big and careless (or would have us believe so, anyway). A big bumbly teddy bear. Fact is that MS is losing market share in double digits right now, and this Win 10 is their only chance to reverse that trend until maybe next year when the MS phone PC comes out. MS is desperate to get a hit out of Win 10 -- maybe desperate enough to take unusual risks. So, MS is taking a calculated risk, tilting the playing field to make Edge look good enough to keep and really really trying to get folks to sign up for Office 365 (as a precursor to Microsoft 365 which is coming soon enough). They see this as their big shot to reverse their shrinkage trend and by golly they are taking that shot. If MS abuses things badly enough to drive Google and Firefox and Open Office/Libre Office et al into the same courtroom standing in the docket against them, then perhaps you can look to see some more concentrated group efforts made to put forth a competing OS product, or else maybe have even more folks migrate over to Apple even more so than they are doing now. Fact is, MS is making a solid bet play they "can go fix it" after folks build up their "use habits" and avoid paying any real penalty at all. Consider their chosen "restricted access auto-loading implementation while frantically fixing stuff" method as a way of keeping up plausible legal deniability for as just long as possible, while they work on building up your MS use habits again. According to Google voice, it takes between 21 and 61 days to build a habit, depending on the complexity of the habit. It takes longer than that to get a court date. Believe me, MS knows habit is the main thing they have going for them right now, and they are working hard to get those MS habits re-established. So, getting you used to using Edge because Firefox and Google are "acting slow and broken" will take place inside that first 30 days and will become a lasting habit to many. That's MS's game plan. ;) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by jcstokes on 07/31/15 at 13:25:08 Get Windows 10 icon has re appeared, unless I'm force fed it, it don't think I'll bother. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/31/15 at 13:41:37 The little window thing isn't your real "go" button -- when you click on it and you actually get words that you can start downloading/installing that's your real thing. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 07/31/15 at 14:41:01 A work around has been shared by MS to allow you to keep your existing default preferences when upgrading to Win 10. Do not accept "Express Settings" when you get to that part of the click-a-thon that is Win 10 installation. Then you gotta pick all your preferences all at once, right then, or else every time you open something with a program it will offer you the chance to pick that as your default program (and will continue to do so until you pick something). People expected Win 10 to transfer their preferences like Linux does --- ha ! Just add it to the list of half-broken stuff. Microsoft, a somewhat careless and sloppy big cuddly teddy bear ..... :) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by jcstokes on 07/31/15 at 15:24:01 Thanks for that OF, I might click on it in a month or two. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 08/01/15 at 06:19:03 Google Chrome browser is faster than edge is... by far. Loads quicker and looks and feels like earlier browsers (tabs, shortcuts, ect...) Edge is going to take a little getting used to, the tabs and the search for tabs is a lot different, but it is faster by far than the old IE... so i see a lot of folks staying with chrome or browsers that run like the older versions of IE, because they will be more comfortable with them. Me... i just click on what ever catches my eye first. I'm doing this post on chrome... works fine, and i still have all my old favorites on the top shortcut bar. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/01/15 at 06:23:07 https://www.rt.com/usa/311304-new-windows-privacy-issues/ ‘Incredibly intrusive’: Windows 10 spies on you by default Google is no longer the king of personal data collection, MS has exceeded what even Google would do. Next item of interest is Win 10 using YOUR MACHINE and your high speed bandwidth to send their updates to other people, yes, MS has rigged them up a huge permanent torrent and you join it as soon as you get your little window icon and that is why your download light has been flashing constantly ever since. You signed up for keystroke logging too -- did you know that? And for sharing your email listing and phone contacts listing as well. And your photos, too. And your location and what you look at while shopping. And MS will share this information with "trusted associates" ie sell your data too. There is nothing Google has ever been even accused of doing (wrongly, sometimes) that MS isn't currently doing to you, even though they still haven't provided you with the Win 10 software itself because the drivers for your particular machine are still all buggered up. 64 million strong, that is quite a torrent, huh? While Google still blocks NSA from access to their data farms, MS by using a HUGE open torrent to do their endless updating and transmitting all your personal data stuff by torrent has put everything they have collected out there running around the cloud and in a total "at risk" position. Or, considering that MS has always been easy to hack, opened up a supermarket of your personal data for the data thieves to go shopping ..... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/01/15 at 06:46:12 Old-rider, we need your input on the Dragon 2 trip thread ============================ I gather that the old saying "your mileage may vary" applies to every item that folks have discovered so far and that the computer press has reported upon. Furthermore, I suspect that the computer press has reported issues that have since then been fixed by the constant stream of updates going out over the HUGE permanent MS torrent that is their Win 10 update system. Nobody is reporting when things get incrementally fixed, because MS doesn't tell anybody anything about what is in this hour's instant update. Win 10 goes places no one has been before, in technology, delivery systems and in being Google-like. MS is now being silent like Google, and just going and doing it. The vast mass of computer users will LIKE Win 10 a lot and like the new delivery system and will like Cortana integration and everything else about Win 10. I would say MS has their hit with Win 10, and even though it has rough edges and broken this and that, the public is being forgiving about the whole "shipped out pretty raw" thing. Next, by putting the 30 day roll back to your old OS version in there yesterday MS has protected their image against the rawness issue -- you signed up for it, you got it, you chose to keep it even though you had 30 days to back away and the rest of this year to come back if you wanted to. The only thing left out now is an ISO image for Win 10 that has a place for you to punch in your verification code from your old sticker to ease the way for the rest of everyone into installing the software. It has been consistent in the past that it is better to rape and scrape your old hard drive and install 100% fresh to get rid of all the cruft left over from your past stuff. And at 64 MILLION installs, Win 10 is obviously working well enough to please the people. I think a lot of what was reported from Day 1-3 is already water over the dam, except for some raw, some slow and some driver issues from older machines with out of business vendors. :-? ..... Since MS is going to update your machine completely automatically for you now, are they going to defrag it automatically for you too? |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/01/15 at 14:11:56 Old-rider, we need your input on the Dragon 2 trip thread ============================ http://blog.laptopmag.com/best-windows-browser I wanted to quantify the short term tilted playing field that MS has written into Win 10 as far as the different browser's performance. MS wants you to like their new EDGE browser and they want you to form the habit of using it ...... very very much they want you to form the habit of using it. Note please that I do not say who is naturally faster or slower, I simply say one has the entire Win 10 world optimized for that one browser's use and some impediments may have been 'inadvertently placed' in the track lanes for the other sprinters (according to their pundits, anyway). http://blog.laptopmag.com/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/windows10_broswer_battle.jpg Round 1: Speed and performance "To see how quickly each browser executes common tasks, I ran each one through a gauntlet of benchmarks and real-world tests on the same Intel Core i5-powered Surface Pro 3 running Windows 10. Edge Chrome Firefox Version Number 20.10240.163840 v44.0.2403.89m v39.0 Peacekeeper 2607; 5 out of 7 4105; 7 out of 7 4661; 7 out 7 SunSpider 1.0.2 107.4ms 298.3ms 227.0 ms Speed-Battle 746.42 704.14 1116.16 Browsermark 2953 5356 4357 ESPN Load Time 04:45 04:67 04:59 TomsGuide Load Time 01:55 02:22 04:90 Peacekeeper: On the Peacekeeper benchmark, which measures browser speed, Firefox topped the group, with an average of 4,652. Chrome came in second, with 4,069, while Edge’s 2,642 average placed it last, because it could support only five of the seven tests the software uses. Speed-Battle: Firefox notched a shocking 1,116 on Speed-Battle, which clocks the speed at which a browser loads JavaScript. Edge followed with 746, and Chrome got 704. Sunspider: Microsoft’s new browser pulled ahead in Sunspider, which tests JavaScript loading speed. Edge’s 108.1ms time was twice as fast as Chrome (256.3ms) and Firefox (213.4ms). Browsermark: This benchmark tests a variety of browser functions such as re-sizing screens, 2D and 3D performance, crunching numbers, and rendering graphics. Chrome took the lead here, notching 5,591 against Firefox’s 4,308 and Edge’s measly 2,882. Page Load Times (Numion): I also timed, using the Numion stopwatch, how long it took Edge, Chrome and Firefox to display media-heavy sites such as Tomsguide.com and ESPN.com. To make sure Internet speeds didn’t affect the results, I repeated this test across two different days at different times. Edge delivered the fastest speeds in general, loading ESPN.com in 4.45 seconds, comparedcatagory to Chrome’s 4:67 and Firefox’s 4:59. Edge displayed TomsGuide.com in 1:55 seconds, faster than Chrome’s 2:22 and Firefox’s 4:90. Winner: Edge. Though it faired poorly on a couple of synthetic tests, Edge processes JavaScript fastest and displays pages the fastest of the lot." So, good reader, EDGE is really faster in the Win 10 environment. It really is. EDGE is not full featured and indeed seems somewhat stripped down for racing at this point in time and there are old style pages EDGE cannot run at all and will intentionally turn over to IE-11 for the older software to slowly open. When someone posts the relative performance of the other browsers running on Win 10 vs running on Win 7/8.x we will then be able to quantify any potential 'track lane slowdown elements' about what was just covered in the graphs above. Did MS put any sticky stuff on the other guys sprint lanes, or is it all just super steroid optimizations to make the stripped down EDGE run faster? Time will tell ..... Someone will do this analysis as it will be a precursor to a court date if it is indeed found to be true. :-[ MS will now quietly fade any sticky track or super steroid use very soon through the daily update flows, having now gotten the critical initial perceptions and early habits formation that they so desperately needed to get ..... Indeed you can understand the need for speed as EDGE only won the one category "Speed" and lost all the rest of the categories to the others. And yes, if you read the whole article, Chrome is still the best browser overall. Firefox is the most usable for some tasks, and roughly in the same speed range as the rest. EDGE does not fair well in anything, except in speed that is ..... .... EDGE is, however, THE fastest browser on Win 10. As EDGE matures and the others grasp on to the optimizations for Win 10 this will likely all change some over time. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/01/15 at 16:04:22 :P Duh, comment writers are pointing out that on some of the canned browser tests that EDGE did especially very well in, if EDGE didn't run but 5 out of 7 of the test portions wouldn't that let EDGE finish the entire test series 20% - 30% earlier than the other browsers? Duh, I dunno ..... I guess they never had a browser that didn't default/naturally run 100% of all the tests before, I guess ???? Like I said, I dunno. Peacekeeper certainly tagged EDGE as finishing early, with only 5 out of 7 tests being run, so I guess it is a worthwhile question for the others as well. I am sure more will be posted on this topic later on if this is really the case. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/01/15 at 16:30:06 I finally got Win 10 to start loading ..... I have found a personal issue that may just affect me -- I am habitually clicking and moving on to the next item at the same speed that I do in Linux Mint and Windows simply doesn't move that fast. I am consistently getting ahead of the installation software and confusing it (and me of course). Half speed, boy, half speed ...... let it finish. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/02/15 at 05:21:12 Windows won't acknowledge the perfectly good sticker code on my machine and wants me to pay them $110 for a new sticker code. It is a used machine and likely was registered to the original owner. MS does not consider their software licenses to be transferable even though they license the installation and not the person per se. It's an opportunity for them to make more money, and they take it. Interesting that Windows goes through the whole download and install rigmarole before telling you it can't verify your sticker code in their data base. Oh well, back to Win 7 ---- I wonder if I am going to get the same code check and rejection at the end of that "go back install" later on this afternoon (this stuff all takes a while). [smiley=cry.gif] ..... not surprised, but disappointed all the same. It was this same sort of nit-picking that drove me to Linux in the first place. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/02/15 at 05:48:50 I am not the only one that this has happened to ...... http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/how-make-sure-your-free-copy-windows-10-activated http://winsupersite.com/site-files/winsupersite.com/files/imagecache/large_img/uploads/2015/07/windows10activatedhero.png "Auto-upgrade your Windows 7 and 8.1 systems to Windows 10 first so that your activation is taken care of. Clean installs can follow afterwards if necessary." Read the article, this guy went all the way down this path and MS customer service was not helpful to him. "All of the information to follow is based on what I have learned over the last couple of days in performing my own upgrades from Windows 7 and 8.1 to Windows 10 and talking with other industry experts. Before you read this, keep the following four things in mind. First: if you are not on Windows 7 (with SP1) or Windows 8.1 there is no free upgrade option to Windows 10. Second: you must be upgrading to the same edition (Home/Pro) and architecture (32/64 bit) that matches the Windows 7 (SP1) or 8.1 system you are updating. Third: Backup your data before attempting any upgrades because you never want to discover you do not have a backup when you actually need one. Fourth: The process I am detailing below is for consumer versions of Windows (both retail and OEM). Volume Licensing customers have their own keys that are used to activate their upgrades to Windows 10. The key step in each of these sucessful installations: I did an in place upgrade to Windows 10 first. This is because Microsoft is handling the activation of your free Windows 10 upgrade differently. That initial upgrade is apparently a key element of the activation and validation process. This is why we are not seeing Windows 10 product keys being distributed to activate the new installations. I may be oversimplifying this but keeping it simple is usually the best option. The basic process is that when you perform an upgrade to Windows 10 (over a genuine Windows 7 or 8.1 system), an anonymous and unique hardware hash is generated that is based on your systems hardware configuration. Since it is anonymous, you do not have to use a Microsoft Account. This hardware hash is generated even if you choose to install Windows 10 with a Local Account. That same hardware hash is sent to Microsoft servers and a corresponding certificate is created to validate your systems activation status. From this point forward any future installs, including one where you delete all partitions and install Windows 10 from scratch, will be activated because of that unique hardware hash and the corresponding certificate. Since it is all stored on Microsoft’s servers there is no reason for us to keep a backup either." So, don't just go and use the ISO image that is out there, let MS do an in-place automatic upgrade to the machine first and wait a week or so for your hardware hash mark to percolate through the MS system to get you properly registered. I bet there are 10s of thousands of broken systems out there right now ..... [smiley=cry.gif] |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/04/15 at 06:45:53 Remember this? "The basic process is that when you perform an upgrade to Windows 10 (over a genuine Windows 7 or 8.1 system), an anonymous and unique hardware hash is generated that is based on your systems hardware configuration. Since it is anonymous, you do not have to use a Microsoft Account. This hardware hash is generated even if you choose to install Windows 10 with a Local Account. That same hardware hash is sent to Microsoft servers and a corresponding certificate is created to validate your systems activation status. From this point forward any future installs, including one where you delete all partitions and install Windows 10 from scratch, will be activated because of that unique hardware hash and the corresponding certificate. Since it is all stored on Microsoft’s servers there is no reason for us to keep a backup either." I can now attest what it means to you going out into the future. I had used the same windows machine to apply for Win 10 Beta Tester status and then again to try to register the Win 7 that was on the machine from the factory. I also had an ancient MS account associated with the same machine from years and years ago. Guess what? I am now a "suspected software pirate" in MS's system and every attempt to register that involves that machine is automatically denied. I have multiple MS id's on my machine and that is not allowed. Machine generated and tracked hashmarks -- that include your hard drive data -- will be the bane of all of us over time, I suspect. Linux however, does not care about hashmarks, or MS's attempts to control your computing world or anything about MS's network of this and that. Linux just works ...... for free. :) installs inside a half an hour, too http://www.alookthroughlens.com/weblog/archives/small_waterfall.jpg |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by 12Bravo on 08/04/15 at 09:42:04 I tried Win 10 on my Dell 2 in 1 laptop for a couple of days and went back to Win 8.1. I'm thinking it's time to put Linux on the laptop. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/05/15 at 12:54:57 http://liliputing.com/2015/08/windows-10-gets-its-first-big-update-windows-really-is-a-service.html MS just rolled out a Windows 10 update that was over 325 megabytes. Think they had to fix anything, huh? People with mobile only or data capped services may have difficulty keeping up with the cost of Windows 10 if it keeps going over their cap. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by 12Bravo on 08/05/15 at 15:26:41 I still haven't decided if I want to leave Win 8 and dual boot the laptop or do a clean install of Linux. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/05/15 at 17:26:11 Dual boot is a good way to experiment with Linux without feeling like you've locked yourself in. Eventually you reach the point where one point in time you just simply let the windows go away. Generally after that point in time you consider going back and loading a Windows but then you get irritated enough trying to do it to the point where you give it back up again. Win 10 is still is a pain in the butt to load up and to get running right. MS is still MS. Keeping their plans a closely guarded secret for how to commercialize the free Windows Experience is still a major ???? In people's minds. Microsoft keeps saying "Windows as a service" is their game plan but you're going to have to pay for that service somehow or MS can't exist. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by bobert_FSO on 08/06/15 at 11:13:20 Computerworld is reporting that IBM and Apple are teaming up to offer integration solutions for deploying Apple Macs as desktop solutions in large enterprises. IBM has been doing this internally and will now share its expertise. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2956799/computer-hardware/in-a-huge-move-ibm-begins-pitching-apple-macs-for-enterprise-it.html?phint=newt%3Dcomputerworld_operating_systems&phint=idg_eid%3D2f99bc2dbbdf6b0c667c1cfee97822fb#tk.CTWNLE_nlt_os_2015-08-06 I see this as a sign that the Microsoft Windows product is getting too hard and troublesome to deploy in enterprise settings. Between MS's vague information on the future direction (and costs) of Windows, hassles of constant patching, security issues and now issues of spying and datamining in Win 10, I can see people getting tired of Microsoft. I'm one of those people. I still run Windows for two software reasons: I use Apple itunes to back up my iphone locally (off the cloud). The other reason is a multitrack audio recording program that only runs on Windows and Mac. If it were not for those two programs, I would move wholesale to Linux. As it is, both of them run on Mac, so my next computer purchase might be a Mac, as it would handle all my needs. I'm writing this post from a dual-boot Ubuntu linux laptop. It handles light duties, mostly web-surfing and a little photo stuff. Except for the iTunes and Reaper multitrack, it does everything I need to do. I haven't booted into Windows for about 3 weeks. As far as Chromebooks, I am just not ready to drink the Google kool-aid and give Google access to all my information. I consider them to be the next evil empire after Microsoft. Also with Google, their Google apps do not work well enough in offline mode for my use, in particular, the presentation app (think Power Point). To add video to a presentation, you must link to a Youtube video, meaning you have to upload your video to Youtube for it to be available in your presentation, When the presentation file is downloaded for offline use, any links to external content like an embedded video (YouTube only!!) are gone. You can't link to a local video file. No network, no video! I've never been an Apple fan and from what I've seen with their recent iphone product, they are beginning to have problems getting trouble-free updates released. It didn't use to be like that. It kind of makes you wonder what direction to go. I plan on sitting on my Windows 7 and Ubuntu for a while and seeing what shakes out. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/08/15 at 03:53:50 My daughter works for IBM and they are doing a lot of business systems software for Apple right now. Yes, Apple plans to push into business and move MS aside. ============================= You have heard about people in Europe being outraged at all the snooping MS is doing in Win10. Folks in Germany have taken some direct action. Their free software product is called DoNotSpy10 and they have dug out and identified and provide an easy way to block a lot of Win10's nonsense. (it's a web page, click on it) http://pxc-coding.com/de/portfolio/donotspy10/ Our earlier coverage discussed a few key settings and how to manually opt out, thus preventing much of the tracking that Microsoft has enabled in Windows 10. That’s just the tip of the iceberg, though — there is a whole list of other things users concerned with privacy will want to address. Enter DoNotSpy10, a new free app from German developer pXc-coding. Moving beyond the key settings we discussed earlier, this app creates a centralized interface where users can quickly and easily adjust settings related to 37 different features that have a direct impact on security and privacy. This means that instead of combing through a dozen different settings screens in Windows 10, users can adjust all of their privacy and security settings in one place. Here’s a full list of the settings DoNotSpy10 can currently configure: Disable telemetry Disable Biometrics Disable handwriting data disclosure Disable handwriting Error Reporting Disable Application Telemetry Disable Inventory Collector Disable Steps Recorder Disable lock screen camera settings Deactivate and reset Cortana Disable localization Disable sensors Disable Web search Disable Windows Media DRM Internet access Activate postponing upgrades Disable app notifications Disable Password button ads Stopping and resetting the advertising ID Disable SmartScreen filter for URLs Disable sending write information Disable access to language list Disable app access to localization Disable app access to camera Disable app access to microphone Disable acquaintance Disable app access to user accounts info Disable app access to calendar Disable app access to messages Disable app access to wireless connections Disable app access to Uncoupled devices Disable prompts Feedback Disabling Windows Update distribution Disable Windows Update for other products Disable WiFi Sense Disable Windows Defender Disable automatic Windows Updates Deactivate OneDrive Disable Automatic Driver Updates There is more stuff being discovered and blocked all the time as MS is still busy writing the Win10 software. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by jcstokes on 08/08/15 at 13:20:52 Gee OF you sure seem to know your stuff. I think I'll wait until May of next year, although I've had a couple of pop ups telling me Win10 is alright. The pop ups only happened twice. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/09/15 at 07:53:03 Actually, if you follow these pages and actually go to all the reference links then ask Google a query or two on the subject matter found in them you can seem like an expert too. http://liliputing.com http://www.e-catworld.com In reality, I am just following the net just like many of you do. The stuff in blue is direct quotes and the source is at the top of the post so you can back read something you find interesting. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 08/09/15 at 09:29:41 Disable windows defender? Disable Wi-Fi sense? Disable Prompts? Um, some of those settings I do NOT agree with.... I hope like heck that program doesn't re-write the registry... It will lock up your system for sure. Wow.... I'm not a fan-boy, but man, all these "computer savvy" guys telling you to shut off stuff that is vital for your "new" windows to operate correctly is crazy. What if 85 year old gramps doesn't know how the internet stuff works and follows the "Disable web search".... and wonders why his computer can't find half the stuff he's looking for... guess what he is going to do.... take it to some frikkin' geek who charges him $$$$ to "fix your stuff". Which is the reason that half of the software guys who write programs to by-pass all the "optional" things you can do by simply putting a check or removing a check in the windows program write the stuff for, to make a buck fixing what they do to your system.... I've used windows defender since its inception and decline over the last 15 years.... it has never failed me, didn't always stop the newest web add stuff, but face it... NORTON and MACAFEE don't either.... and defender doesn't slow your system to a crawl like they do. Ok, you know what, i'm not gonna defend windows against all the slamming going on... I'll just sit back and enjoy my trouble free version, that the average joe will get, on his average computer. I won't hack into the program to try to change it because its "gathering all my information".....I'll simply go into the settings provided and shut off the stuff I find intrusive. Besides, everyone who takes your money for anything now days is "gathering your information".... Wonder why lowe's, sears or home depot, or several other companies want your phone number? Ever use a credit card in a store? Ever use a debit card in a store? How about a gas station? A restaurant? Face it, the world wants to know what you are doing so it can SELL you something.... and send you an ad, on suzukisavage.com, oh... you mean you didn't know this web site gathers information? Well anyway... week two here...the laptop is running just fine.... no black suited guys have knocked on my door, and no pictures of my face have appeared anywhere that I can see, or any voice recordings of my wife and sister in-law talking about what shows they are going to watch tonight, or me talking on Ventrilo with my buds on world of Warcraft about killing some Orc or Warlock..... Yup, if they are recording everything I do..... someone is having a laugh....ME..... ;) ;D |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/09/15 at 12:55:26 Old_Rider is right, anyone who is offering "totally hands off, pain free" computing is going to have to have access to all your relevant information and want access to your various data feeds. And, if you want that sort of cradle to grave care taking, you will give it to them. I have upgraded one machine to Win 10 and that one is for Grandma's house. The grandkids and great grandkids (and the various children, trying to get it to work right) screw that machine all up sideways repeatedly like you would not believe. Win 10 is in a "you take care of it all war" with Chromebook with the Toshiba laptop at Grandma's house being the test bed for me. I will go by periodically to see how the war is doing. =================== People are more sensitive right now to the new stuff that Microsoft is now looking at (and locking down entire functional segments of the machine if permissions are removed) their stuff. It is a change in how MS has operated in the past. They didn't expect that .... On the flip side, since the very beginning Google ChromeOS has done the same sorts of things on a Chromebook (and if you use a Google Android with all the features enabled it does the same thing on your phone, always has). To me, it is a trade off situation. YOU KNOW IT IS GOING ON and it bothers you some, but in order to get "OK Google" and "Hey Cortana" to work right you simply put up with the privacy invasions. I have ordered a "high def" microphone for my new big black box PC. Why? Because I want the Google + version on Linux Mint to work right on the big sit down PC as I find talking to the machine to be supremely easy to do. I can talk in a paragraph like this and correct the 1-2 screw ups quicker and much easier than I can type the same thing. Yeah, laziness -- OK I like lazy convenience more than having strict data security. Having people listening to what your phone can hear or what your PC can hear and keeping endless tabs on what you do and where you go is a social issue that will have to come to a head and burst, sooner or later though. Yeah, I know the police can get a warrant and do it right now, legally. My issue is all the other folks who have figured out how to do it. And yes, I have noticed when I walked into Bass Pro Shops all the coupons and ads for BPS stuff pinging my phone messaging all of a sudden. George Orwell's 1984 is here now ...... Big Advertising is watching you 24/7. :) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/10/15 at 11:08:33 http://liliputing.com/2015/08/trouble-with-mandatory-updates-some-windows-10-users-experiencing-reboot-after-reboot.html http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-cumulative-update-causes-reboot-loop-havoc-for-some-users/ Auto-update can run amok on you (get stuck in a loop). http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/windows-update-auto.jpg http://zdnet2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2015/08/09/81f2b7e9-71a8-45a2-b191-445bd931ba25/81072ba807fd21ebd7b0ceb24a6943cd/screenshot2.jpg "Microsoft's first cumulative update for Windows 10 - KB3081424 - is causing havoc for some users. How do I know this? Because I spent a good part of my Sunday morning dealing with it, that's how. The problem, in a nutshell, is that the update puts affected systems into an endless crash loop. The update tries to install, gets to a certain point, fails, and then displays the unhelpful "We couldn't complete the updates, undoing the changes." If it stopped there things wouldn't be too bad, but because Microsoft now forces updates onto Windows 10 users, the OS kept trying - and failing - to install the update, which in turn placed the system into a periodic crash/reboot loop that put quite a dent in my productivity. To make matters worse, the tool that Microsoft released to hide or block toxic Windows 10 updates (as reported by my ZDNet colleague Ed Bott) didn't allow me to prevent this update from attempting to install. So I was forced to either abandon the machine until a fix was made available or try to fix it myself. I found a fix, but it involved some registry editing voodoo to remove legacy junk (which in my case was related to an Nvidia driver installed on the machine prior to upgrading to Windows 10), a task that some of you might not be comfortable with. Also, since this is not an officially sanctioned fix I'm not comfortable outlining the process here. That said, the fix that worked for me is described in a thread on the Microsoft Answers community if you want to give it a go. However, I want to throw some caveats at you: Understand that you take personal responsibility for your actions. Only try this if you are familiar with System Restore and have a known good backup, because if you delete the wrong entry from the registry you could end up in a worse situation. During the course of my research I came across some painfully vague instructions [UPDATE: At least one of these pages have been updated since the time of writing] on how to "solve" this problem on a number of tech sites. These instructions are clearly third-party interpretations of the fix written by individuals who hadn't encountered the problem for themselves. Following these "fixes" could very easily cause you to do damage to your system and leave you hating your life even more. If you plan on trying to fix this yourself I encourage you to use the thread I've linked to above, to read it very carefully before doing anything, and if you're in any doubt then wait for an official fix rather than hacking at your registry. I've no idea how widespread this issue is, although a quick Google/Bing search quickly led me to reports from others having the same problem, along with the fix, so I'm not the only one to come across this issue. However, since it only affects one of my systems (out of about twelve production and test systems) it's safe to say that this is not widespread and probably confined to systems that have built up a fair bit of legacy detritus. Overall, my Windows 10 experience has been a positive one (currently I only have one other Windows 10 system on the healing bench, and that one is being nursed through a display driver issue) so this is far from being a show-stopping problem. It does, however, highlight a weakness with Microsoft's tool for blocking bad updates, something that I hope will be fixed in the near future." ================================================== http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-windows-10-vs-windows-8-vs-windows-7/ You remember when we said Win10 was NO FASTER THAN WIN 7 ????? Absolute proof of this now exists, in a whole bevy of every benchmark test that can be run on the 3 OSs, showing in essence that Win10 is the SAME STUFF or slightly slower than before. http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1037/images/taskview-thumb.jpg |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/11/15 at 09:37:40 OK, retrospect time. Win10 is two full weeks into disbursement and is installed on about a third of the potential machines out there. People were NOT EXPECTING some of the information requirements of the new OS as Win10 is Microsoft's first attempt to do a hands off OS that takes care of itself. Get over it, if you want Cortana and all the other bennies you have to give up your "personal data" stuff. With close to 30 million installs now working and over 5 fix it downloads MS is showing their game and doing fairly well at it. Fairly well, issues are still occurring daily but the "bricked" stuff has stopped mostly. Speed isn't there and never will be -- Win10 is exactly as fast as Win 7 but requires more drive and memory space to do all its new tricks well. Should you upgrade? Perhaps not yet -- many folks are still holding back for a bit, not wanting to jump into the blender so to speak. The blender is getting quieter, though. A strong recommendation TO PUT IN YOUR REQUEST AND THEN WAIT UNTIL MS SIGNALS YOU TO INSTALL is coming through loud and clear now -- MS does understand what is on your machine for hardware and drivers and such and they do know if they are ready to deal with it or not. Remember please that Win10 is a work in progress, not a finished product. MS tells you honestly that it will never be finished because things keep changing all the time out there in computerdom. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by jcstokes on 08/11/15 at 17:52:11 Oh well, I had 41745 updates for Windows whatever just now. I think I will hang out until early/mid next year and then think about Win 10 |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/11/15 at 20:00:16 The Pawn Star guys just called ..... "Hey, Win10 is just like Chrome, it has to stay on the web all the time to get all its updates, get its stored One Drive stuff and if you go unplug your laptop from the net it tells you it can't find such and such file and for you to go get the internet back up and running ....." :-? Ain't that about what they had to say about ChromeOS ?? |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/14/15 at 07:04:41 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/13/two_weeks_of_windows_10_how_is_microsoft_doing/ Two more weeks of Windows 10: Just how is Microsoft doing?\ 30 million installs later, what are the outcomes as reported by the users ..... http://https://regmedia.co.uk/2015/08/13/microsofties.jpg?x=648&y=429&crop=1 Read it, boys and girls, just read it. Win10 downloads to your machine whether you install it or not -- and it takes up data bandwidth on your internet connection for the constant massive upgrades whether you install it or not. Yes, it rolls those daily updates anyway .... It is a controlling system by which Microsoft intends to "benevolently" control your machine for you, and once you allow it to get on your machine (even if you choose not to install it) you CANNOT get it off except by a full low level format. MS will eventually send it to you whether you ask for it or not. If like some you consider this a form of creeping invasion, then you can look out a bit for MS to start providing Win 10 for Vista and XP machines later on so they can complete their total takeover of the world ...... and once they figure out them older XP drivers and such. ::) :-? :-/ It was never going to be easy, and is playing out as expected. Some users want the upgrade but cannot get it; others do not want it but get it anyway, like reader Bob Dole who reports: “On every single one of our machines we said 'No' to the update. We uninstalled the KB that even asks for the update. Yet ... every single one of our machines has downloaded Windows 10 in the background and demanded to install itself.” |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/14/15 at 10:02:19 Win 10 does indeed contain a built in form of anti-virus I stand corrected, auto defrag is in there --- it just requires being set up by you, the user. After you find it, that is. Command line "dfrgui" gets you there quick. http://www.softwareok.com/img/faq/Windows-8/Run_Defragmenter_in_Windows_8.1_and_8_for_hard_drives_and_disk_optimization_2013-10-21-13-17-49.png Another fine example of MS trying to take care of you, sorta kinda, and being a pain in the ass while doing it. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/15/15 at 04:40:40 http://gadgets.ndtv.com/laptops/news/running-windows-10-microsoft-can-disable-your-pirated-games-728129 Did you know Microsoft can change their EULA at will and at any time? Yep, first Win 10 EULA change just rang through in Europe. http://cdn.ndtv.com/tech/images/gamers_pc.jpg Folks attending gaming parties in Europe have (as a group) discovered a New Win 10 "feature" as a small percentage of them abruptly got shut down by MS. For software piracy no less ..... shut their free copy of Win10 slam down, no warning, no nuttin' ..... Once again, if the MS AI system says you are a software pirate, that's it --- there is no recourse even if MS is dead wrong about it. Plus there are BIG QUESTIONS about just how the heck MS is judging that your game copy is illegal -- is MS dialing home to the game vendors now? Or is it just looking for some hash mark that isn't there again? If your LAN master is dirty, does he take the entire connected LAN party crew down with him? I bet you wish you had gone through the on-line hassles to "properly register" your copy of that silly arsed game about now, now don't you, you silly silly boy you? Too late now -- you are hash marked as a pirate forever. "It hasn't even been a month since the release of Windows 10 and Microsoft's newest desktop operating system has been stirring up one privacy related controversy after another. The latest addition is company's rather bold decision to change the license agreement, giving itself the power to disable counterfeit games and unauthorized hardware on computers running Windows 10. The Redmond-based software mammoth has updated its European License Agreement ToC (first spotted by PC Authority) to note that it will not tolerate counterfeit games or hardware on any Windows 10-powered machine. The company "may automatically check your version of the software and download software update or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorised hardware peripheral devices," the 7(b) clause of the revised EULA reads. While the specifics are largely unclear, the statement suggests that Microsoft is taking a big stand against the usage of illegally obtained games, an ill practice that is significantly reducing the revenue of PC game developers alike. Whether this also extends to non-games applications, well the license explicitly says games (for now), so probably not. Why Microsoft is differentiating between illegally obtained games and other apps is anyone's guess. When contacted for details, a Microsoft spokesperson offered nothing more than a boilerplate statement. "We take claims of intellectual property infringement seriously and review them in accordance with our standard procedures. We also continue to review the content of our Windows Store periodically as described in this blog post, as we work to deliver a great customer experience and provide fair and transparent developer policies and enforcement." Now, what I find really interesting is that you gave up your old license of Win7/8.1 permanently to go to the free Win10 thing. So now do you have to pay MS $110 for a new Win10 license just to get your machine running again? (after you delete all "pirated" softwares, of course) Has MS discovered a new revenue stream as "net nanny" for the game guys? Does MS get paid a bounty for snaggin' and baggn' an evil software pirate? YES !! $110 worth of bounty. Your old Win7/8.1 DVD won't work any more, you do know that right? Your Microsoft hash mark on that machine has screwed you forever on that pathway back to the good old days of PC independence. ::) :o :P |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/15/15 at 10:06:40 http://liliputing.com/2015/08/say-goodbye-to-free-office-365-personal-subscriptions-with-windows-pcs.html :-/ Say goodbye to free Office 365 Personal subscriptions with Windows PCs With 40-50 million Win 10s downloaded and installed, MS begins to roll out the rest of the story ..... "What you get with a new PC now While Microsoft continues to offer a full desktop version of the old MS Office as a work in progress (for the first year anyway) this year the company also released a suite of Office Universal apps at about the same time as it launched Windows 10. These are the versions of Word, PowerPoint, Excel, and other programs that are designed to run across a range of devices including phones, tablets, and notebook or desktop PCs. These new apps have a simpler, touch-friendly user interface and they’re available from the Windows Store for $$$ money $$$. They’ll come pre-installed on Windows phones and small tablets (with 10.1 inch or smaller screens), and they’re 100% free to use on those devices. But if you want to make full use of the new Office Universal apps on a larger tablet or notebook, you’ll need to pony up some money for an Office 365 subscription, because while you can download the free apps and use them to view documents, you’ll need a subscription to edit or save files". ..... ain't that a prick trick ??? It is the good ol classic "30 day trial ware trick", you can look at the file and edit the file, but you cannot save the file without paying up for the Office 365 subscription. This is despite having the old free MS Office on the new PC machine for the first year as advertised. ======================================= It does not take a genius to predict that late next year Win 10 will "go static" and good ol simple Windows Forever will take over the live daily update routines and all the One Drive work, using the same sorts of very partial updates and partial One Drive functions and various file print/save limitations to coerce you into signing up for the full Windows 365. So, if you don't chose to pony up for the full Windows 365 subscription (which includes full MS Office BTW .... hey, it is such a good deal since it only costs $45 more per year than Office does by itself) then your files will just stay stagnant on your One Drive Account waiting for you to get with the program. Win 10 retails for $110 so the full enchilada will cost at least $155 per year, as per my wild assed swag guesstimate that I just pulled out of by arse just right now. But then MS likely may have bigger expectations for your "proper yearly blood bowl donation amount". [smiley=cry.gif] .... MS always has you know .... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/15/15 at 18:44:52 http://www.businessinsider.com/what-happens-when-office-365-expires-2014-3 This Is What Happens To Your Files When You Stop Paying For A Microsoft Office Subscription "Microsoft wants to change how we buy Microsoft Office software. Instead of paying for the software once, Microsoft wants us to be paying for it monthly or annually. Microsoft offers a variety of subscriptions for the latest version called Office 365. This isn't cloud software. It still installs on your PC or Mac and the files will also be stored on your PC (though you can set it up to save to the cloud, too). But the question is: what happens to your files if you decide to stop paying the subscription? Microsoft does not delete them. It doesn't delete the Office software from your PC either. You can open them and look at them but you can't edit them. Our one-year subscription to Office 365 recently came due and we did not renew it. Sure enough, the software deactivated itself. This is what happened when we tried to use it after it expired. 1. When we clicked on an Office document, the file didn't immediately open. Instead, we got this screen. We clicked on the bottom to view the file for free. http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/532384beeab8eae6721ad616-620-/office-365-expired-1.png 2. The file opened, but none of the editing buttons worked. They were all "gray" indicating they were turned off. We were still able to copy and paste from the document into another file, using keyboard shortcuts. http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/532385636bb3f74b3d1ad630-945-709/deactivated-excel-1.png 3. Since the software is still installed, you can click on the icon. The app won't open. It will just load in the launch bar/dock. http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/532385f069bedd44258b4568-870-652/office-icon-appears-in-tray.png 4. With the app in the bar, you can right click and will give you the option to view a file. http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5323872e6da81152511ad61c-944-708/office-365-deactivated-options-1.png At any time, we can renew our subscription, Microsoft says, and the apps will update to their latest versions and become functional again." So, this is your future unless you choose to bleed some (either monthly or yearly) into the Microsoft blood bowl. Please remember that you were told way back when (now, by me) when the time comes around and it is your turn in the barrel ..... you were warned. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/15/15 at 23:02:29 http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/16/8227847/how-microsoft-makes-money Microsoft reveals how it will make money giving away software It's all about getting you hooked during the short "for free" period. ::) ::) ::) ::) Speaking at Microsoft’s Convergence conference today, Chris Caposella, who is in charge of marketing at the software giant, revealed Microsoft’s freemium plans in full. FREEMIUM IS THE WAY FORWARD "It involves four parts: acquire, engage, enlist, and monetize. Acquire is Microsoft's way of getting people to use a product for free, like Office for iPad. Engage is Microsoft’s plan to get them hooked on the product and leverage other parts of its ecosystem to keep someone using the service. Enlist is simply finding fans to keep the circle going, and then Monetizing is figuring out who will pay for subscription versions of the service they’re hooked on." NEXT, YOU HAVE TO BREAK INTO YOUR COMPETITORS FOOD CHAINS http://https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/NtVMFzNiXB-k0Ztvq53liaDK608=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3510782/microsoftvsgooglevsapple.0.jpg "Caposella’s talk marks the first time Microsoft has clearly signaled exactly how it will rival Apple and Google’s ecosystems. Former Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer hinted at it during his final months, but Caposella used an illustration of all three companies’ greatest assets to show where Microsoft is focusing its efforts. "If you look what Apple advertises on TV, at least in the US, it’s all iPhone and iPad, and yet you see all the lines that connect their ecosystem," explains Caposella. "So they can focus their marketing dollars on a very small number of things, be very disciplined, but because they’ve engineered their things to work together one product naturally leads to the next product without any marketing at all. Very efficient marketing to build your marketing into your products." MICROSOFT IS TAKING AN APPLE APPROACH TO PRODUCT INTEGRATION It’s a technique that Microsoft has started to adopt, admits Caposella. Citing the Surface Pro 3 and its deep integration with OneNote, Microsoft has seen a big increase in OneNote usage. "We had to convince the Windows team to work with the Surface team to work with the OneNote team," says Caposella, but the result was a product tied to Microsoft’s strengths. Elsewhere, Cortana feeds into Bing to break the Google addiction. "If you use Cortana, you’re actually becoming a Bing user," explains Caposella. "This is a way I can build Bing into every Windows phone, into every Windows 10 PC." While breaking the familiarity of using Google’s website to search might be difficult, slowly spreading Cortana into apps and services across Microsoft’s products will certainly help draw people away. Microsoft is using the same techniques for Outlook.com by integrating Skype in the hope you’ll become a Skype user and they can then sell you minutes or subscriptions." It's a nice plan, but it is predicated on being BETTER, much much better than the competition in order to be DESIRABLE and to get them all hooked on your stuff once you get them to try it by giving it away for a short period of time. In reality, long standing user habit is really the only thing working in MS's favor right now as some of their new software is both raw edged and barely written (seen as somewhat incomplete) at this stage of things. "Better and desirable" do not apply at this point in time for very much at all. The full enchilada subscription thing is really based upon there being some one element that you discovered that you just simply MUST HAVE, so that justifies MS tapping you for all the rest of it since they won't supply just the one or two pieces you really want/need. All or nothing is the MS way from now on. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by anebv8 on 08/15/15 at 23:15:24 I made the mistake? of getting win10...Mrs at work today,it's raining.can't do anything outside...I know..I'll watch a movie a mate gave me...oh nup...keep getting errors on one built in player and the windows media player gives me sound but no picture,and can't find a clear answer into fixing it...thinking very seriously about booting 10 and going back to 7..oh...and it booted my wifi after a week of connecting straight away..have to use a usb dongle for wifi...gawd sake |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/15/15 at 23:26:46 Do tell us about putting Win 7 back into use ------- many have been unable to return to a fully working Win 7 system using the 30 day "go back tool". The Win10 device drivers remain the active drivers, etc. etc. etc. likely because the same name for the driver was used so the software could find it. Folks who have had most success going back had a full Win 7 hard drive backup that they restored. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by anebv8 on 08/15/15 at 23:49:11 my first laptop with windows 7 crashed and burned...managed to download windows 7 from a site...had to extract it..put it onto usb stick then put on to dvd <---was a few years ago so can't remember why it had to be done like that...so thankfully I can do a complete install :) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 08/16/15 at 00:52:57 I quit going to the business insider.... after they quoted the examiner as a source of trusted information.... I thing the examiner bought them out :) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by jcstokes on 08/16/15 at 02:13:36 A bit like OF has been saying, I talked with a computer literate fourteen or fifteen year old today. He says WIN 10's ok but full of bugs. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/16/15 at 07:25:25 Here is my alternative to the Win10 internet update dance --- mine is Linux Mint Mate 17.2 No hassles if a re-install is needed, no verification or hash mark checking is done. Software and OS all work together just fine, as they are polished and refined to act as a whole. Instantly recognizes your hardware during install and has a FAR better success rate on older hardware than MS does. It is different, but if you click on the bottom left icon and follow the menus it requires NO knowledge of the OS's operating system and any reasonably alert grandmother can do it. The look and feel and click functions are very much like XP (intentionally done that way, of course). If you blow it to hell and gone (trying to get a Win 10 disk to load is a good way to do this btw since MS instantly attacks Mint's bootloader and disables it) it is a half hour job to put it back using the free installation DVD that you made from the ISO. Requires no defrag or anti-virus -- was designed not to do that and by golly it doesn't. And it is free (and the subsequent softwares are free) and will remain free, forever, even when Win 10 rolls to Windows Permanent and the first of the endless series of fairly sizable MS software subscription bills comes due. And it is lighter and MUCH FASTER than Windows on all existing and all future hardware .... did I mention that? :) plus it makes you smile, not frown |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/16/15 at 15:36:47 And as you hassle along ongoing with Microsoft and Windows 10, please understand why I don't want to go play with you in that particular lose-lose-pay-lose pay again lose again (and again and again) MS aggravation game ..... I am too old and I want to go do this for free instead of being pissed off and frustrated all the time. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2064/2220752645_7669cd356e.jpg .... Mint does everything I have ever needed to do, and it did it very nicely with very minimal hassle. And it did it for free. (all apps, programs & softwares are totally free too) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 08/16/15 at 21:01:06 I still don't see how everyone thinks Microsoft is going to make the "plain jane" win 10 a "pay to use" software. IT WILL NOT BE SO...... Y2K all over again... They are smarter than that....no really, they are.... Would you buy a car if you had to pay to use the software that the car needs to run its computers? Just like the "on star" on cars.... after the first "free" year, people de-activate it. But what if when you called in to deactivate it, your car stopped running.... you know.... the 30k car you bought... Get my point? It will not happen.... they don't own the hardware of the laptop/PC/phone/tablet. They would be signing their own death certificate..... they are simply going to charge for the "office" and "media" software.... what can you do without it? Surf the web...... And you will log on to download "free" office programs to use... and free media programs to use..... To fall for the hype...... don't be afraid your computer is all of a sudden one day going to say "PAY OR WE SHUT YOUR COMPUTER DOWN"... because; IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/17/15 at 07:28:07 Old-Rider, you can get abruptly shut down in Europe right now for EULA violations if you are hashmarked as a software pirate due to MS checking out your game hashmarks for you ..... and since your old license for Win 7/8.1 is invalid and gone now you get to pay MS for a new license to get it back going again. anebv8 is now going to try to use his old DVD to reinstall Win 7 -- let's see how far he gets. I believe what was said was that you would be gently coerced at the Win 10 to Win Permanent change over to "invest" in a full software package that included MS's cradle to grave taking care of you, OS, Office, the entire enchilada. Examples of the current methodology if you don't renew your Office were shown (factual). MS has even published a rubric for how they intend to "leverage you over" into a subscription basis (and they must do this as they need a money flow to stay in business). Judge the future by what is happening now to get everybody off Win 7 and on to Win 10. Extend that a bit to forsee what MS will do to get you off Win 10 and on to Windows Permanent. Heck, we had a guy here on the list who got "force moved" willy-nilly from Win 8 to Win 8.1 against his stated will --- hey, that was YOU wasn't it? Here's the difference, you like and trust Microsoft now and feel like they are getting unfairly painted with the Darth Vader brush right now. Fact is, they breathe funny and dress funny and have done so fairly consistently for over 20 years now ..... ;) ..... and now they are going about building yet another "kinder/gentler" Death Star ...... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/18/15 at 02:03:01 More information on the EULA changes that allow MS to shut down, well, a wide variety of things or to choose to simply stop working for you if something is found to be illegal. And this includes your controllers and the hardware inside your box too, BTW, not just your software and games. What really drives this situation is Win 10 will run on Xbox, which is a hotbed of ripped off cloned copies of proprietary controllers, cards, software, etc. etc. These Xbox driven changes were first mentioned in June/July and went into effect on August 1, so yes MS did indeed unilaterally change their EULA fairly suddenly totally on their own. These changes affect EVERYBODY, btw, not just the Europeans. Europeans just had the honor of being the first ones to be shot by the electronic update stormtroopers. So it was the Xbox boys at MS that wanted some drastic controls put in place -- but they forgot the general PC population would get the same level of software checking and draconian control actions when Win10 went to go check if PC driver updates were needed for this game and that video card and that game controller, etc. up there on the PC front. And remember please, that registering your new stuff in PC land is OPTIONAL and many folks simply chose not to be bothered with it ..... So, they flat assed forgot that PC guys game too ...... and perhaps the Xbox guys wanting to shut the whole machine's OS down might be an appropriate response for an Xbox but IT IS SURE AS HELL NOT AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE FOR SOMEBODY'S WORK OR HOME PC. So now MS overall has yet another PR mess on their hands to deal with ..... a big 'un. ======================================= Confirmation of the REALITY of this situation comes from: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/08/17/windows-10s-pirated-software-searches/ "Windows 10 scandals keep coming: forced updates (causing crash loops), disabled user preferences, outlandish privacy invasions, blowing through user data allowances. Each is taking the shine off what is actually a very good core operating system, but I’m sorry to say they don’t stop there… The eagle eyes over a tech blog Alphr have spotted a remarkable permission in the Windows 10’s services agreement: the operating system has the right to scan all software and hardware on your computer and disable anything it believes is illegal. Section 7b reads: “We may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the [Windows] Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices.” If you’re running Windows 10 and don’t like this, too late. Users have to agree to all terms in the Windows 10 services agreement before it will install. And it isn’t just Windows 10 which can do this. Microsoft quietly added this terminology to the service agreements for Windows 10, Windows Phone and Xbox Live back in June, but it only came into force from 1 August." http://www.techtimes.com/articles/75749/20150812/playing-pirated-games-on-your-pc-windows-10-could-block-them.htm "We may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices," Microsoft explains in the agreement. "You may also be required to update the software to continue using the Services." It's not entirely clear what the company means by the "unauthorized hardware peripheral devices" it mentions in the agreement, but that could refer to third-party Xbox controllers that Microsoft did not certify. Counterfeit games, meanwhile, represent pirated software, and Windows 10 will have little tolerance for that. It's worth pointing out that the terms will not only affect Windows 10 users, but also users of other Microsoft services and software. The terms cover updates to Windows Live Mail, Skype, Maps, the OneDrive and OneNote apps, Windows Movie Maker, Windows Photo Gallery and Windows Games from Microsoft. The company further reserves the right to change the terms at any given time, pledging to notify users when it enforces new changes. Users don't have to specifically agree to the new terms, as Microsoft will consider it an agreement if you use the services once the changes go into effect. As this has already occurred, your continued use of Microsoft services has been taken to mean that you agree to the terms. But if you don't actually consent to these terms, Microsoft doesn't leave you with many options: you can stop using the services and close your Microsoft and Skype account." ::) Life on the new Death Star may be sorta restricted at times, and if you do something they don't like they just may space you right along with a smelly load of garbage. And if you want to get back on to the Death Star after being ejected "You may also be required to update the software to continue using the Services" which means you have to go buy a new $110 subscription. ======================================== Check his controllers, cards, drivers and all his software for any good $110 bounty excuses ....... http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080318124135/starwars/images/c/c2/Scan_Grid.jpg Check her for any false augmentations too .... http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQFZJ7m3n2Xqh-o6RzvvRG0mn7AnXwsG2qhWf3ZCgQJxgVH5U34 No !!! Not my boobies ..... Yup, we froze this guy's services due to multiple EULA violations ...... it'll cost him to get unfrozen, you know ---- he's gotta go buy a first class premium ticket to get back on the ship. http://https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2638/5841306208_016769cb74_b.jpg |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 08/18/15 at 04:23:27 Yer gettin' close to being tin hat with your supposed Microsoft computer take over tactics. Microsoft forced 8.1 because of security issues and driver instabilities..... it was a fix. Yes I complained about it..... did I see what the issues were? no... but I went with what the developers decided, and low and behold my system never went down. Same with my new version of windows.... I have had 3 issues.... My function F3/F4 brighten and darken my display, is it fixed yet? no, will it be, I have no idea, does it stop my system from working? no... My security camera's will not update and the program will not run using the new "Edge" browser. D-Link does not support Edge and has not updated the drivers at this time (I guess they are waiting for the tide to go back out), however, they have shown that windows IE11 browser is still loaded in windows 10 and can be used to operate the camera software.... my security system is online and working. When D-Link gets off their butt and updates their drivers, I will be happier, microsoft's responsibility is not to write software for D-Link, D-Link must make its camera's work with Edge... or not.... The final thing... When I boot up, it takes all of 7 seconds for the system to load to my log-on page. Then when I log-in, it takes about 2-3 minutes for the back round update checks to figure out if I need updating (uses about 90 percent of the hard drive), after those 2-3 minutes, if a download is needed, it works in the back round and does not notify me (I unchecked that box, I don't want to know). However, my new "Cool Sense" video card driver will max my airflow if the cpu heats up, and it slows the system almost to a standstill. I have emailed the video card company, was told they are "working on a solution". None of these things are shutting down my computer and NOT letting me use it. EULA.... that's a companies right, if you use their software, DO NOT try to edit the code. And I have had a 365 Office subscription, and can load it up and view and print old documents and even documents I download, but I cannot edit them, because I LET MY SUBSCRIPTION LAPSE..... I agreed to pay to use the software, and did not pay to continue using it.... That's kinda like your cell phone service, if you agree to pay for the service and then DON'T pay any longer, do you think your are going to have service? Actually I kind of like the way they are going to do it, because I don't always need to use office, and if I do, I just log on and pay for a year (or quarter, however they are going to work it). They will NOT shut down my windows 10 computer if I don't pay my subscription for Office, I just won't be able to use my Office program. Microsoft has its little sneaky spy bot software that catches "illegal" programs. The illegal part is the folks that don't want to pay Microsoft to use their "registry certificate" fee's. Microsoft wants to be sure a company doesn't install some kind of "kill the system" or "spy on Microsoft" Trojan in the drivers that company loads up. The folks making the big stinks, are those companies that probably don't want to pay for the certificate, or are planning to load up some spy crud into your system.... Anyway...... this is becoming a bash/defend post..... So if my system crashes because Microsoft wants my money...... i'll come back and post again..... But until then, i'll just keep using my windows 10. P.S. The windows registries I was talking about reloading.... are from different computers, they are registered under my name, just because i'm using one version of windows 10 on this laptop does not mean I cannot use my other 6 registered copies. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/18/15 at 09:55:03 :D Yes, you sure can tell the fans from the bashers, can't you? And another thing about the second and third Death Stars is that they were put into service long before all the outer hull plates were even laid down ..... that situation rings true for Win 10 as well. Both cases the reason is the same, it was time and the Death Star went into service --- whether it was really ready or not made no difference. Part of what goes on with Win10 is all the White Clone Micropuppies are stumbling over their own tool boxes all the time as they try to remotely service a partially assembled but still quite complex piece of computing equipment. ;) ..... and I prefer pre-crinkled recycled aluminum foil, real tin foil is too stiff and makes for a very uncomfortable hat ...... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/18/15 at 10:06:17 2A2921372C212037450 wrote:
Old-Rider is getting a little defensive because I am having too much fun at Microsoft's expense. May I point out that he points out 6-8 ongoing conflicts in his own installation where Microsoft has actively broken known good operating software and drivers and such like due to Microsoft's own carelessness with their new OS. And it's my thought that since Microsoft broke it Microsoft should fix it ..... Mean, aren't I ??? :) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/19/15 at 19:32:49 Back to the very newest crop of actual factuals (dated August 17th) -- new information has come out about personal data is still being collected and sent to MS ongoing AFTER the user has completely opted out of all personal data collection and turned off all features that asked for it. Read it, boys and girls, it can be read to imply MS simply can't stop itself from checking you out intimately ---- and the EULA apparently permits this, too, btw. http://www.techtimes.com/articles/76832/20150817/windows-10-user-data-sent-to-microsoft-even-when-privacy-protection-is-on.htm "Windows 10 is sending private user data to Microsoft — even when all applicable privacy settings are de-activated by the user, according to a new report. While some users are experiencing problems with various aspects of the upgrade, including Wi-Fi connectivity, Chrome browser, audio issues and automatic updates causing endless crash loops, most users and critics are generally pleased with the update. That's more than can be said for the general response to Microsoft's new privacy settings, which were roundly criticized for allowing widespread collection of user data by the company. While one solution appears to be opting out of the data collection by activating all available privacy settings, a new report indicates that even with those settings set to defeat all data collection, the company is still collecting some private user data." ================================== We turn to CNN Money for our reality check on this new information: http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/17/technology/windows-10-privacy/ Is Windows 10 really a privacy nightmare? Just read it for what it says, it says the privacy breaches are real but the reasons are "OK" with the MS EULA you signed ::) :P "Here are the main privacy gripes about Win10: 1) Shares your personal information with Microsoft by default By default, Windows 10 shares a lot of information about you with Microsoft. According to the company's privacy policy, Windows sends Microsoft everything you say to Cortana, Windows 10's Siri-like virtual assistant. It also collects your name and nickname, your recent calendar events, the names of the people in your appointments, and information about your contacts -- including their names and nicknames. The good news: If you don't want to share that information, you can disable it. The bad news: Microsoft has an incredible 13 separate privacy screens that you'll have to navigate through to shut off all information sharing. 2) Borrows bandwidth from your home Internet connection Windows 10 will use your Internet connection to help other people download apps or update their PCs. If someone (let's call her Rebecca) is having trouble connecting to Microsoft's servers, Rebecca might instead download that update or app from you, a complete stranger. It all happens in the background, without either of you ever knowing it. It's a feature called Windows Update Delivery Optimization, and it's actually a potentially brilliant way to help Windows 10 users update their PCs faster by connecting to millions of different people instead of just Microsoft. But Microsoft isn't upfront with customers about it. To turn it off, you'll have to navigate to a submenu ("Choose how updates are delivered") of a submenu ("Advanced options") within the settings app. Microsoft should be more forthright that it's using your PC as an update server, and it should make turning the feature off easier. 3) Can share your wireless password with your friends' PCs Windows 10 includes a new feature called Wi-Fi Sense, which allows you to automatically log your friends onto your Wi-Fi network without ever giving them your password. That freaked some people out, because Microsoft (MSFT, Tech30) is storing and delivering your Wi-Fi password, which can be a key to all your private photos. In truth, there's really not much to worry about. Though Microsoft enables Wi-Fi Sense by default on Windows 10, it doesn't share your networks by default -- you have to choose to do that. When your friends connect via Wi-Fi Sense, they won't then, in turn, be able to share your network with their friends. Wi-Fi Sense encrypts your password, and it won't work on corporate networks with special security protocols. And you can opt out. Still, Microsoft's all-or-nothing policy is potentially troubling. Choosing to share access to your Wi-Fi network with all your Facebook (FB, Tech30), Skype and Outlook.com contacts means your best friend will get access, but your stalker will too. 4) Will continue to send information to Microsoft after you disable data-sharing settings If you went to all 13 privacy pages and shut off all data sharing, you'll still share information with Microsoft. As Ars Technica first reported, even if you disable Cortana and Bing queries in the search box, opening the Start Menu and typing -- anything -- will still send some data to Microsoft. Microsoft said there's nothing nefarious going on there. It's not reading your search queries, just learning some basic habits about how you (and many others) are using search. It's not clear exactly what Microsoft means by that, but the company hinted that it's looking at broad behaviors. For example, it may be recording the simple fact that you searched for an item on your PC and how you initiated the search (a click vs. a keystroke). "As part of delivering Windows 10 as a service, updates may be delivered to provide ongoing new features to Bing search, such as new visual layouts, styles and search code," a Microsoft spokeswoman said in a statement. "No query or search usage data is sent to Microsoft, in accordance with the customer's chosen privacy settings." But, come on, Microsoft. Shouldn't there be a way to just opt out of all data being sent to you? 5) Can scan for counterfeit games Tech blog Alpha noted late last week that the Windows 10 license agreement everyone agrees to (without reading) includes language that seems to allow the company to scan your computer for pirated games and disable them at will. "We may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices." This applies to Windows 10 services, such as Xbox Live, not Windows 10 itself. So Microsoft isn't scanning your PC for illegal copies of Halo. But it's written like it could -- and Microsoft should make that clearer in its privacy statement." |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/20/15 at 11:45:34 http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-networking/windows-10-hogs-all-available-bandwidth/5bd000f9-6c1d-4292-bddd-54b41b45cdf8 ROKU forums and other streaming forums are beginning to discuss this little nugget which is Win10 is using so much of their bandwidth they can't stream their movies reliably all the time. You see, its a multiple multiple hit -- once to get the big update to you, then a dozen more times to clone it out to other people you don't even know. And that is per machine that you upgraded to Win 10 -- each one does this multiplier trick separately. People with bandwidth caps are having the same "choke my router" issues except more pointedly it's costing them extra money to help push Microsoft's free win 10 upgrade and all the updates out to other people. Households with three or more upgraded PCs find that the Win10 data suck is really affecting their monthly bandwidth usage. It's like Microsoft assumed that everybody had a separate individual high speed internet connection (a high cap limit fast broadband connection). This isn't the case. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/22/15 at 14:50:02 http://www.extremetech.com/computing/212724-microsoft-kills-patch-notes-will-no-longer-explain-most-windows-10-updates Microsoft kills patch notes, will no longer explain most Windows 10 updates http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/WU-Update-640x238.png "Over the past few weeks, Microsoft has drawn increasing fire for its update policies. To date, Microsoft has released three KB Cumulative Updates (CUs) — KB 3081424 (August 5), KB 3081436 (August 12) and KB 3081438 (August 14). All are described in precisely the same way: “This update includes improvements to enhance the functionality of Windows 10.” All three cumulative updates contain an unexplained bug that traps some PCs in an endless reboot cycle, according to InfoWorld. Some users, who successfully installed the patch, have begun having trouble accessing the Windows Store and downloading updates from it. Others, who had problems with the store after the first CU, have reported that the second or third fixed their problem. These cumulative updates are different from previous Windows Update releases in Windows 7 / 8.1. In the past, each KB was downloaded and applied individually, if Microsoft detected that the update should be offered to your system. Now, each cumulative update contains all previous updates. In theory, this allows for a streamlined download and installation process. In practice, it’s causing major problems. Microsoft no longer distinguishes between most security updates, feature updates, and bug fixes. It also gives no information about what bug fixes or feature updates do, which makes it nearly impossible to troubleshoot any given problem. A troubleshooting nightmare Going forward, there’s no way for users to tell which Windows patch caused a problem, if any. Microsoft may offer the ability to uninstall patches, but without some coherent method of determining which patches need to be uninstalled, there’s no way of telling what’s causing a problem. Short of using software products that monitor the registry and file system for every single change, it may not be possible to determine what changed or why it changed in every instance. Furthermore, what happens when a business or individual needs a security patch, but the feature update bundled along with it causes problems or breaks another aspect of the system? I’ll be the first to acknowledge that such issues are rare, but rare and “doesn’t happen” are not the same thing. Microsoft’s stripped down communication model is essentially, “Trust us.” The company has yet to demonstrate that it deserves that kind of trust, and its decision to roll all updates together and say nothing about their contents could catastrophically backfire." Microsoft has a trust issue -- they no longer trust you to know what they are doing to your machine because it is TOO EMBARRASSING to them. So, now they string together chains of fixes willy-nilly then push them into your machine and then use your machine to fire the sets of fixes off to a dozen other people. Bad part is the chain of updates may include some BAD FOR YOUR PARTICULAR MACHINE code inside them so MS has stripped off any "included in the KB" information that would possibly let folks figure out which one of the repeated and re-repeated chain of upgrade/updates did the dirty deed this time so it could be backed out of the machine. And tomorrow you will get a new update chain pushed into your machine that includes most of what choked you down yesterday and the day before. And once again, you will pay bandwidth to send it on to a dozen other people, gratis. Reboot your Win 10 and write down how many seconds it takes to ID the updates for your machine. Keep a log for a few weeks and watch the number of seconds grow and grow and grow. Watch your hard drive light flash ongoing and your router line light flash and flash and flash and flash. See MS suck your high speed connection dry ..... then spend your $$$ exceeding your data cap ....... then by golly they will go do it again tomorrow. :P Honey, reboot the router please, Roku just stopped streaming again ...... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/22/15 at 15:05:43 http://neurogadget.com/2015/08/20/windows-10-privacy-tools/13016 6 Windows 10 Incredible Privacy Tools That Will Stop It From Spying On You http://neurogadget.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/windows-10-681x383.jpg "Without a doubt, Microsoft has well played with the privacy of its users through its Windows 10 OS. The new operating system has been, by default, configured to keep track of your usage and even keep an eye on your folders and files. Microsoft’s new privacy statement is indeed a scary one! It isn’t definitely a bad thing to update your privacy, but having all users selected by default is not a user-friendly privacy policy at all. Since this has been such a widely publicized issue, there are now some tools available that can be used to help users take back their privacy in Windows 10. Given below are 6 different tools or apps that can stop Windows 10 from taking over your privacy: DoNotSpy 10 DoNotSpy 10 is a new free app designed by German developer pXc-coding. This app is one of the most comprehensive privacy options for your Windows 10. It creates a centralized interface where Windows 10 users can easily adjust the settings related to those features which have a direct effect on privacy. There’s a caution, though: The app is a freeware, but it installs Open Candy software on your system which show ads automatically in other applications. Windows 10 Privacy Fixer Another free tool is the Windows 10 Privacy Fixer, which allow users to import their current privacy settings and then deactivate whichever features they want. The app comes with a compact interface to modify the important privacy settings on Windows 10. This is a useful app that allow users to disable four main services related to Microsoft telemetry and feedback, blocking the Telemetry hosts, making changes in the general privacy settings such as deactivating the unique advertising ID, and disabling app access to features such as location or calendar. W10 Privacy W10 Privacy app covers as many privacy settings as possible, but it is currently available only in German language and that makes it pretty unusable for many Windows 10 users. On launching the app, the interface shows privacy settings and general tweaks, and the first tab “Datenschutz”, which is the German word for “privacy”, displays privacy-related tweaks, most of which are self-explanatory. Destroy Windows 10 Spying Destroy Windows 10 Spying is a rather basic app that lets users enable a wide range of privacy settings in one simple interface only. The app focuses on a handful of privacy settings and tweaks. Users can use it to deactivate the spyware tasks in the “Task Scheduler”, turn on or turn off Windows Update, remove selected apps from the OS, or block Microsoft domains in the host files. Disable Windows 10 Tracking This one is similar to Destroy Windows 10 Spying tool. Functionality wise, it is the smallest tool but size wise it is the largest. It displays four privacy options, all of which focuses on deactivating tracking. Windows 10 Privacy and Shite This one is just a simple batch file that users need to download from Pastebin. This is how it works: create a new “.bat” file and paste its content to the newly created file. Afterwards upon running, the app will perform selected privacy tasks including uninstalling OneDrive, deactivating data logging services, and adding domains to the host files." Highly skilled MS users are revolting against MS's attempts to own them and their computers. MS is striking back by removing the needed details from the daily chains of patches and by shuffling the file names used by these various tools and putting it all back the way they want it to be. (screw you, end user -- take that) Vendors are throwing their hands up and backing away from it all for a bit as it is impossible to even know what Win10 will actually be driver and file-wise when tomorrow's update patch chain finishes executing ...... [smiley=cry.gif] The Empire Strikes Back ..... Where are those Ewoks and them tree trunks when you need them ?? |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/23/15 at 05:17:53 PC World is also covering the Win 10 issues about router crowding and high bandwidth usage for those having those issues. http://www.pcworld.com/article/2955491/windows/how-to-stop-windows-10-from-using-your-pcs-bandwidth-to-update-strangers-systems.html How to disable P2P updates in Windows 10 First, open the Start Menu and select Settings, then click Updates & Security. http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2015/08/win10-updates-100599951-large.png Make sure Windows Update is selected in the left-hand navigation pane (it’s the default when you open Updates & Security) and then click Advanced Options in the main pane. http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2015/08/win10-updates-dash-100599948-large.png You’ll see a lot of options and checkboxes. Peruse them if you’d like, but for today’s task, you’ll want to click on Choose how updates are delivered. http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2015/08/win10-updates-advanced-options-100599949-large.png Now you're on the page with the options that legislate how Windows 10 handles P2P updates. By default, Windows 10 will both send and receive updates from devices on your network and the Internet at large. http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2015/08/win10-updates-p2p-100599950-large.png It’s the latter option that’s the potential data cap destroyer. Using the options on this page, you can opt to only allow P2P updates among machines on your local network, or disable them completely and rely on Microsoft’s servers alone—just like the good ol’ days. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/23/15 at 05:32:24 Other leading computing publications seem to be reversing their initial recommendations to go for the Win 10 upgrade based upon the amount and type of issues now seen. http://www.infoworld.com/article/2972298/microsoft-windows/10-reasons-you-shouldnt-upgrade-to-windows-10.html and more pointedly http://www.infoworld.com/article/2953655/microsoft-windows/windows-10-review-hold-off-if-you-use-windows-7.html#tk.ifw-infsb "The real question is whether Windows 10 deserves to supplant Windows 7. Despite substantial new functionality in Windows 10, Windows 7 users should wait until the upgrade train brings more improvements. Many of the new features of Windows 10 do not seem ready for prime time, including the greatly modified Start menu with live tiles, the new Edge browser, Cortana, and the Continuum method of switching between mouse and touchscreen control. They all work well enough, yet they all lack key capabilities. The lesser tile-based Windows apps vary in quality from good (Mail, Calendar) to passable (Photos, Phone Companion) to barely breathing placeholders (People, Groove Music, Movies & TV). The new Windows 10 Start with live tiles is a major departure from previous versions. It seems obvious that Microsoft rushed the consumer version of Windows 10 out the door in time for back-to-school season. But the “real” Windows 10 (at least the “next final” version) won’t appear until October or thereabouts, in the form of Threshold 2. Think of TH2 as an accelerated Service Pack 1, ready for the enterprise. Meanwhile, myriad questions remain unanswered. We know that Microsoft will force updates on Windows 10 Home and Windows 10 Pro users who aren’t connected to update servers. That posture has already created problems, with an Nvidia driver hatched before its time and a patch that caused repeated Explorer restarts -- both in the past week. Those of us familiar with Microsoft’s Windows patching travails will face the future with some trepidation: How long until Microsoft force-feeds a bad patch, and how will Microsoft recover from it?" Personally, at over 50 million users switched over it is literally too late for a MASS of people. We are nearing the end of the 30 day go back window and the press has been too slow to signal that go back change -- many will simply have to ride the tiger now. The best you can do now is research the issues that you see on your rig and learn how to turn off the items that give you notable issues. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/23/15 at 05:49:57 http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/07/10/free-windows-10-charges/ 'Free' Windows 10 Now Looks A Terrible Deal Is This A Two Year Con? "So what does “two to four years” mean? Is it two or is it four? In light of no official clarification from Microsoft the slides can help – if not result in formal conclusions. In a change of language Microsoft states device lifetime will be determined by “customer type” whereas it had previously stated it would be determined by “form factor”. This may prove crucial. For example ‘Form factor’ should mean a phone where two years of support isn’t great, but survivable and similarly four years support for a tablet or PC which isn’t great but it is survivable. But defining by ‘customer type’ invokes Microsoft’s two main customer licence types: Home (average consumer) and Professional (prosumer/business). By this new definition “two to four years” would mean two years free support for Windows 10 Home users regardless of their device type and up to four years free support for Windows 10 Pro users regardless of their device type. Two years free support on a PC is garbage. It would see Windows 10 free support expire in 2017 while Windows 7 and Windows 8 free support doesn’t expire until January 2020 and 2023 respectively. Could this really happen? Again without Microsoft spelling it out we can’t say. What’s more it also opens up an even bigger question: what follows the expiry of free support?" Microsoft leaked some more of their secret black cat out of the bag at a Financial presentation and is getting hit hard by Forbes and ComputingWorld on exactly what the leakage means. So, to put in short form -- Win 10 lasts 2-4 years (consumer vs business vs mobile) and after that slides into a pay me subscription model. In two years MS hopes that people will be used to MS owning their computing experience completely and the user base will quit all that squealing and thrashing about that is occurring lately as the big antennas are being painfully inserted into unsuspecting user orifices. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/23/15 at 06:32:56 The latest wrinkle in the Win 10 Saga ...... If you have a Win 10 window in your task bar and you are "awaiting permission to upload" and it isn't doing anything for weeks -- you are very likely BROKEN and are not getting standard security updates for Win 7 or Win8/8.1 or anything else from Microsoft right now. You are just one of the 10s of thousands that have this "broken upgrader" illness. According to this you need to fix your machine yourself -- which will also put you in a unique place where you can choose to stay at Win 7 having actually run time back to before the little upgrade window showed up on your PC. http://www.infoworld.com/article/2974479/microsoft-windows/how-to-get-rid-of-the-your-upgrade-to-windows-10-is-ready-lock-on-windows-update-in-win7-and-8-1.html "You signed up for the Windows 10 upgrade, but now that the bits are ready, you're getting cold feet. I understand. But there's one little problem: Your Windows 7 or 8.1 machine won't install any updates until you install Windows 10. Windows Update may say, "Your upgrade to Windows 10 is ready," and if you check for updates, you get "Windows Update cannot currently check for updates, because you must first restart the computer so that a previous installation can be completed." You may get a message that says, "Your upgrade is ready to install" and then, "Great, we'll get the upgrade started." I've seen hundreds of posts (and more than a few emails) from people stuck in the same boat. If you accepted the offer for Windows 10 and later decided that you aren't ready, Microsoft locks your machine into a situation where it's very difficult to say no. I've been playing around with this problem for a couple of weeks, ran it through a dozen testers on AskWoody.com, and think that maybe -- maybe -- this approach may work. Please test it. The worst that'll happen is you'll end up in the same position, after 20 minutes to an hour of hassle, for which I apologize. Try this: Step 1. Wait until you have a spare hour. This is good to do before you head out to a meeting, to lunch, or at the end of the workday. Step 2. Turn off Automatic Update. Go into Windows Update (in Win7, using an administrator-level account, click Start, Control Panel, and then System and Security; in Win8.1, while looking at the old-fashioned Windows desktop, hold down the Windows key and press X, then choose Control Panel, System and Security). Under Windows Update, choose this setting: "Check for updates but let me choose whether to download or install them." Step 3. Hide the upgrade, if you can. In Windows Update, click Show all Available Updates. If you see an entry for Upgrade to Windows 10 (many of you won't), right-click on Upgrade to Windows 10 and choose Hide Update. Step 4. Delete the installation files. In File Explorer, right-click on your C drive and choose Disk Cleanup. When Explorer comes up for air, click the box marked Clean up System files. When the list appears, check the box marked Temporary Installation Files (it'll be big -- 5.8GB or so). Click OK. There's a message that says "Are you sure you want to permanently delete?" Click Delete Files. Wait ... and wait ... patiently. Remember, this is Windows. Step 5. Get rid of the GWX (Get Windows X) patches. Back in Control Panel, Add or Remove programs, on the left click View installed updates. Look for KB 2952664 (likely on Win7 systems) and KB 2976978 (likely on Win 8.1). Also look for KB 3035583 (both Win7 and Win 8.1). If you find any of them (hint: click the column heading to sort alphabetically), click on it, and click Uninstall. (t/h EP) Step 6. Reboot. Windows will prompt you to reboot. Do it. And wait. And wait. It may take an hour to reboot. Step 7. Permanently disable the GWX patches. The minute you've rebooted, go back in to Windows Update and "hide" KB 2952664, KB 2976978, and/or KB 3035583. To hide them, run Search for Updates, right-click on the entry and choose Hide. (t/h CT) Step 8. For good luck, reboot again. That probably isn't necessary, but it'll kill off any process that thinks it should be downloading the Windows 10 installation files. On the systems I've tested, that'll remove the downloaded Windows 10 files, the obnoxious nags in the system tray, and the "Your upgrade to Windows 10 is ready" notification in Windows Update. I'm not absolutely sure it'll work in all cases, but the worst case is you've lost some time -- you aren't twiddling with any registry settings or doing anything that might cripple your Win7 or Win8.1 system. It's strictly a home remedy, but Microsoft certainly isn't going to distribute a magic fix." |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/23/15 at 09:47:30 https://torrentfreak.com/torrent-trackers-ban-windows-10-over-privacy-concerns-150822/ http://https://torrentfreak.com/images/win10.png Software sharing over torrents has a long history in Open Source software, especially in Europe. And remember, countries like France and many others hold that software cannot be patented, and once dispersed it can be re-dispersed freely. Thus, in these countries and in European Open Source in general, the new Windows 10 is beginning to smell very strongly like fresh raw sewage. Having been watched very carefully, evidence may now be available that Microsoft has now been caught sending lists of the contents of your hard drive off to various anti-piracy organizations. "Since the release of Windows 10 last month many media reports have focused on various privacy intrusions. The WiFi password sharing feature, for example, or the extensive sharing of personal data and information back to Microsoft’s servers. The list goes on and on. This week things took a turn for the worse. Slowly but steadily reports started pouring in that Windows 10 has a built-in piracy kill switch. If we were to believe some of the reports, Microsoft would like to nuke all torrents downloaded from The Pirate Bay. Still, the recent privacy concerns have some torrent tracker staffers worried. During the week TF received reports informing us that several private trackers have banned Windows 10, or are considering doing so. The staffers at iTS explain that Windows 10 is off-limits now because of the extensive amount of data it shares. This includes connections to MarkMonitor, the brand protection company which is also involved in the U.S. Copyright Alert System. “We have also found [Windows 10] will be gathering information on users’ P2P use to be shared with anti piracy group,” BB staff writes to its users. “What’s particularly nasty is that apparently it sends the results of local(!!) searches to a well known anti piracy company directly so as soon as you have one known p2p or scene release on your local disk … BAM!” Sending the contents of your hard drive, sending your searches, reporting on what you download and sending your peer to peer communications off automatically to other anti-piracy groups violates several personal rights in lots of countries and here in the USA may be illegal unless backed up with an active search warrant. Microsoft will get taken to court in the EU over such things, they can count on it. Saying they are "cooperating with various US authorities" cuts no ice over in the EU when Microsoft is violating (for example) French law when they go do it. ========================================= We got a confirmation on the Torrent guys banning Windows 10 permanently. The given reason is because MS sending listings of your hard drive contents and montoring of your P2P communications to various litigation groups inside the USA. http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/24/torrent-trackers-ban-windows-10/ :-/ This is neatly ironic since MS itself is the largest P2P / torrent user in the world right now and they didn't even tell their users they were hijacking their internet bandwidth to push the massive traffic in Win 10 upgrades and updates along ..... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/23/15 at 11:07:10 http://https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR9_FcEy98cZZKSz3wpTn3a_L0AoNtyaHgfgrd-GFlXdFefcKcf ..... and who says Microsoft isn't moving to take over the world by guile and misdirection ..... ..... see the Black Shirt Officers herding the confused Beta Testers into a good marching formation ..... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/23/15 at 18:40:20 http://www.techtimes.com/articles/77111/20150818/latest-windows-10-problems-and-bugs-screen-flickering-and-flashing-touchpad-issues-lags-and-page-freezes.htm Latest Windows 10 Problems And Bugs: Screen Flickering And Flashing, Touchpad Issues, Lags And Page Freezes "Many users are continuing to report issues with screen flickering. While some of these problems can be attributed to a previously reported issue with automatic updates that affected Nvidia drivers, the problem is still plaguing other users, some of whose task bars are also not functioning properly, for unknown reasons. http://images.techtimes.com/data/images/full/124066/windows-10.jpg?w=600 Some users are having trouble with their touchpads. According to one Tech Times commenter: "...the touchpad will not respond to taps and will not scroll at all. Downloading windows update did not help, and downloading latest drivers for win 10 from Asus (brand of my PC) was no help. I have been able to go to task manager and quit some processes to get the pointer back, but any reboot results in the problem returning. All of this makes the PC virtually useless." Another reader chimed in, saying, "I'm having the same problem with my touch pad, only my USB mouse is working (thank the gods)." Other readers are experiencing lags: "Computer is lagging and freezing while typing" is a common complaint. "Just finished installing Windows 10 and now it takes ages to type anything. This has taken me 5 mins already," one user shared, while another stated, "Windows 10 uploaded OK but now my pc is sooooooo slow it's painful." Many users are so frustrated with the issues that they have aborted their Windows 10 upgrades and reverted back to the version they previously had installed. Others plan to do the same. One Tech Times reader summed up the feelings of many: "I upgraded from Windows 7 as well and feel like nothing has improved. Even to open simple folders takes ages (even freezes sometimes) and NO COMMAND is working to close or reset my laptop. They said windows 10 will be faster and better. I find it twice as slow than before. I will definitely downgrade to my previous version." :-[ Microsoft has now pushed the Win 10 down deeper into the pre-sorted machine/age/diver pool now, and they are now finding their partially written hardware drivers and such to be becoming much more of a show stopper for these earlier, less current entrants. As Microsoft swings their limited manning over to try to get ready for the Win10 Mobile and Continuum unveiling, you can expect the rate of fix on the desktop side to go way way down as relatively fewer resources will be allocated to fixing the ever increasing daily flow of bugs and bad drivers. :P ...... and accordingly more and more users are hitting the "GO BACK TO WIN 7" button, realizing that waiting past 30 days means having to stay in bad driver land FOREVER, or until MS can get back around to working on it some. Go back to Win 7 and wait 1/2 or 3/4 of a year and try again, then go back to Win 7 again if you have to until such time your drivers get fixed or you see that they never will get fixed. MS is also tending to take the classic cop out approach now more and more -- "This is your machine manufacturer's or your video card driver's problem to fix, not ours." When you get this cop out response, immediately go back to Win 7 and stay there -- you have no Win 10 future to look forward to as none of these older vendors are in business any more to fix anything. Any machine built by American machine makers using American vendor components falls into this class as they all went bust 5-7 years ago when all computer making went to the orient. HP and Dell are about it for domestic suppliers left any more, and all their components come from the orient for them now too. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by verslagen1 on 08/23/15 at 20:18:55 I can't see any business accepting this level of non functionality let alone any one with back door security issues like win10 does. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/23/15 at 22:06:47 No, they won't. Plus they won't move for any revision that isn't going to last but another 2-4 years and then get replaced by yet another merry go round. They would be foolish to do so. I'd be interested in the number of "Go Back to Win 7" button pushers compared to the total number of people upgraded. Fat chance of seeing that number, ever ..... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/24/15 at 05:57:43 OK, I threw up a poll to see what the group has seen on our own little sample of users. Note that you can delete your response and put in a new one as your circumstances evolve. You can also click for as many items as apply to you, not limited to just one response. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/25/15 at 09:24:18 Well, this week we have more bugs reported and more apologists explaining what Microsoft really meant by throwing this and that open to your contact list and for perhaps sharing the contents of your hard drive with USA anti-piracy watchdog groups. Not that good old Microsoft would ever actually DO that, of course ..... ::) And all of the apologists also tell you in excruciating detail how to dig deep deep into the settings to turn off what you don't like. In reading it, I was struck by how gawd awful COMPLICATED it was to do and how deeply involved in the programming some of these "features" actually are. I was also struck by little things like this, where the apologist had to admit the flaw was unfortunately real and worse than he would prefer. "Unfortunately, there's no granularity to the way you can share network access to your contacts -- in other words, you can only share with all your friends in, say, Facebook; you can't pick out individuals. It's essentially all or nothing." Parallels are also being drawn by some pundits between Win 10 and Vista, in the sense that both were misunderstood technical marvels that actually far exceeded what the public really wanted out of an OS change. So, they are also hopefully semi-wishing for the next OS wave that unscrews what Win 10 screwed up, as this one is hopefully going to be the Vista that leads to the next Win 7. ;) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by verslagen1 on 08/25/15 at 10:00:22 so sorry, we screwed you, come again. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/26/15 at 13:49:55 Implementation count is now up to 75 million users. Microsoft has shut off all discussion about the updates they are sending out because they now refuse to identify what they're doing in those updates. They are simply denying their critics any chance to criticize what Microsoft is doing with any real information or data, and they are also shutting down all download troubleshooting at this time by doing this information shut down. So, what does this "gag order" mean to you, the potential upgrader? Just wait patiently until Microsoft indicates that you should start your download because they're supposedly not telling you to go unless they have some assurance they have the drivers to fit your machine. And since the pundits can't tell you nearly as quickly how to fix the outbound bugs any more, you will have to try to avoid getting as many potential bugs as you can. By doing this simple step you will greatly decrease your pain and suffering. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/26/15 at 14:18:37 By the way the FOSS and Open-Source people are saying that Microsoft has lost all grounds to claim any form of openness about Windows 10 as it may be free but it is obviously still a top secret and now a very closed proprietary operating system. :P They also trust there is no Linux code involved in Windows 10 or else perhaps some bad things might happen legally due to the Linux FOSS license. Seeing just how frantically fast Win 10 was put together, a code check might find all sorts of little borrowings going on ..... and each of them means that Windows 10 would become open source in its entirety after the court case was settled. ::) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/27/15 at 07:35:09 http://www.slashgear.com/windows-10s-forced-updates-are-causing-trouble-already-10396177/ http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/windows-bugs-800x420.jpeg Windows 10’s "secret" forced updates are causing trouble already "Color us surprised. One of Windows 10's most controversial features, or misfeature for some, seems to already be wrecking havoc for users not even a month after its launch. While the theory and the intent behind forcing updates may be understandable, even laudable in some aspect, its implementation definitely leaves much to be desired. One recent case practically gets Windows 10 stuck in an seemingly endless loop of trying to upgrade, failing, rebooting, and trying again, only to fail. Rinse and repeat, and you've got one very irate customer. The wayward update in this case is a certain KB3081424 that was pushed out August 5. This update was reported to fail the first time it tries to install. As per protocol, Windows 10 will try to roll back the update but in doing so will require the user to reboot. However, once the system has restarted, Windows 10's automatic update process kicks in again, which tries to install KB3081424 again, and again fails. Apparently, the update writes a bad entry in the Windows 10's registry which prevents all further attempts from succeeding. For now, the only way to break this cycle is to dig down into the arcane Windows registry and undo what the update has done. After that, update KB3081424 should install correctly. Apparently, Microsoft's own tool for temporarily holding back certain updates doesn't list KB3081424, which would have help alleviate the situation. This might have been considered a fluke if not for the fact that this isn't the first instance where Windows 10's forced updates renders a system nigh unusable. A broken NVIDIA driver would force displays to switch off. Another update ended up corrupting File Explorer, which handles any and all file management operations on Windows. Microsoft wants to push updates, whether system, driver, or app, automatically (and now secretly) to ensure that users' computers are well patched against bugs and security issues, but these recent cases only show that the patches themselves are ironically the cause of those problems. With automatic updates, Microsoft is asking its user base to trust that its updates won't do any harm behind their backs. Given this ongoing track record, however, that might be asking for a lot." =========================================== And here comes Forbes, showing how you can overcome the "secret updates issue". http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/08/26/windows-10-how-to-stop-forced-updates/ "There is no greater Windows 10 controversy than its policy of forced updates. While great in theory, for many users the reality of updates which download and install automatically has been horribly different and the question on many users lips is: How do you stop them?" Option 1: Stop The Windows Update Service "As central as it is to the core of Windows 10, Windows Update is actually just another Windows process so it can be stopped with these simple steps: Open the Run command (Win + R), in it type: services.msc and press enter From the Services list which appears find the Windows Update service and open it In ‘Startup Type’ (under the ‘General’ tab) change it to ‘Disabled’ Restart To re-enable Windows Update simply repeat these four steps, but change the Startup Type to ‘Automatic’ Option 2: Setup A Metered Connection Windows 10 offers users on metered connections a compromise: to save bandwidth Microsoft confirms the operating system will only automatically download and install updates it classifies as ‘Priority’. While Microsoft doesn’t reveal its method of classification, this does cut down more frivolous updates which typically include new drivers and software features – both of which have already caused stability problems. Open the Settings app (Win + I) Open the ‘Network & Internet’ section Open ‘Wi-Fi’ and click ‘Advanced Options’ Toggle ‘Set as metered connection’ to ‘On’ Note: If your PC uses an Ethernet cable to connect to the Internet the Metered Connection option will be disabled as it works with Wi-Fi connections only (silly I know). Option 3: Group Policy Editor This is a halfway house: the group policy editor will notify you about new updates without automatically installing them (how previous generations of Windows always worked) – though again security updates will still install automatically. Note: Windows 10 Home users have to sit this one out, it is only for Windows 10 Education, Pro and Enterprise editions. Open the Run command (Win + R), in it type: gpedit.msc and press enter Navigate to: Computer Configuration -> Administrative Templates -> Windows Components -> Windows Update Open this and change the Configure Automatic Updates setting to ‘2 – Notify for download and notify for install’ Open the Settings app (Win + I) and navigate to -> Update and Security -> Windows Updates. Click ‘Check for updates’ which applies the new configuration setting Restart Alternatively for Windows 10 users without group policy access: Open the Run command (Win + R), in it type: regedit and press enter Navigate to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\AU In there create a ‘32-bit DWORD’ value called ‘AuOptions’ and under ‘Value Data’ type 2 and click ‘OK’ Open the Settings app (Win + I) and navigate to -> Update and Security -> Windows Updates. Click ‘Check for updates’ which applies the new configuration setting Restart The Show/Hide Tool Strangely the so-called ‘Show/Hide Tool’ is not part of Windows 10 nor can it be found through Windows Update. Instead it can be downloaded from Microsoft here. Unlike the three options above, the Show/Hide Tool is not proactive so it doesn’t stop any automatic updates from downloading and installing. Instead it allows you to ‘Hide’ an update from Windows 10 so if you uninstall it Windows Update will not try to reinstall it automatically. This is very useful if a particular update is causing your system problems. Then again the Show/Hide Tool doesn’t work with Priority Updates. Of course – handy as they are – what all these options illustrate is a need for Microsoft to get with reality. The fact Windows 10 updates itself automatically by default is largely a good thing, but every equivalent from rival desktop OSes and mobile OSes to web browsers all offer the choice to proactively disable updates if preferred." Windows 10 for Business (or Win 10 Pro if you prefer) lacks some of these auto update issues completely because it DOESN'T DO AUTO UPDATES AT THE SAME INVASIVE (totally secret) LEVEL. MS is aware of this difference, which is perhaps why they seem to have been providing Win 10 Pro to the beta testers, who didn't have these sorts of issues and certainly didn't report on them out on the net, accordingly. Pro is slower to update, and much more "core selective" only doing a more limited set of functions and updating just those, in a much more deliberate fashion. Business does not like fast change as it costs them IT dollars chasing it. Business wants stability and only wants to see changes take place in very slow careful pre-announced innovation stages. 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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/28/15 at 05:29:11 OK, now ..... I think I have gotten all the fun out of Win 10 that I am going to get. I am tired of chasing it. THE BASE ISSUE WITH WIN 10 IS THE WIDE WIDE WIDE RANGE OF HARDWARE AND ALL THE DEDICATED DRIVERS THAT ARE OUT THERE IN WINDOWS LAND. Microsoft has ambitiously tried to write an automatic OS that they maintain from their end. In doing so they have barked their shins on what Apple and Google assiduously avoided by keeping their hardware consistent --- all that insane variation in hardware and driver issues and bios issues and settings issues ...... (you can just keep on listing them all day long). Microsoft recognized that their past efforts over the years had to be brought forward to ONE PACKAGE and they busted their gut to make this happen. They HAD to go do this or go bankrupt taking care of all the old windows versions separately. The complexity of what they built into Win 10 was astounding. The fact the dancing bear can dance at all is what you have to give them kudos for, the fact he leaves claw marks on the ballroom floor has to be accepted as "irregardless". You did ask for a dancing bear after all. However, under all the fancy start pages you still have the same old operating system operating at the same old speed having all the same old types of issues, except now they can get generated nightly by automatic updates that you cannot KNOW anything about or control in any fashion. Then after a week or so of bitching, the pundits will tell you in excruciating detail how to dig down into the 11 layers of settings or even down into dos box command line/regedit Registry Level guts of the thing to tell you how to fix your particular problem. And then late that same night, you can get that same ill update sent to you again in a repeated fashion along with a chain of other old updates (MS had tuned some other part of the KB and sent it on out again to fix somebody else's problems). This level of "automatically destroyed nightly" lack of dependability has never been seen before in computing. Plus, Microsoft can use your machine and your internet connection to go do their business. They use your machine and your bandwidth to push torrent style updates out to other people in your area -- yeah, they use it A LOT. They can also use your machine like it belongs to them during hibernation and idle times. Some suspect that a silent wake up call can be sent to your machine to deep activate it into a hibernate state even if you have turned it off at the front panel. Your CPU and hard drive and internet connection can then be used to do short term data crunching jobs that are done and sent back to MS. (without your machine's "on" lights ever coming on, if that is what MS wants) Your accepted the 1,200 page EULA that permits this sort of activity. Yes, they can use your electricity, your internet bandwidth, your machine -- even potentially when you have turned the sucker off. Folks in Europe are now using their power strip to turn their entire system OFF at night simply because MS can't overcome a physical on/off switch (not yet anyway). There is a vast divide now showing up between Win 10 Enterprise and Win 10 Consumer -- Big Business will not tolerate this sort of stuff. Not any, not at all. Microsoft will have to eventually put out a package that Big Business will accept and likely that is the one you will want to wind up with. People are already seeing a vast difference between Win 10 Home and Win 10 Pro -- we expect even more difference when Win 10 Enterprise comes out. But ..... you have to pay for Win 10 Enterprise according to what is known about it now ...... and functionally you might as well stay with Win 7 for what you will get out of it. What folks are disliking more and more is the flip-flopping misdirection, secrecy and conniving that is all now part of the Windows 10 experience. Plus the fact it still isn't completely written yet, much less quality checked, let's not forget those little items. "Trust us" is getting harder to do as time goes on. Folks feel like Beta testers all the time now and they didn't expect that. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/28/15 at 07:13:25 Remember, "Trust us" if "Something Happened" to your machine yet again last night ..... http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140508162403/starwars/images/2/20/DeathStarII-BotF.jpg |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/28/15 at 21:46:57 I always wondered where the dilberts who fixed the school system went to work. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by jcstokes on 08/29/15 at 01:10:09 Interesting to see 1780 views of this post, 156 replies and only eight votes on your poll. I was a voter. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/29/15 at 02:03:35 Yup, not a lot of interest in this topic any more. Most of the folks around here are running XP and can't play anyway. You gotta give MS credit for stacking their deck expertly. They start out with a core of Beta Testers (that got previewed for equipment right after the folks signed up, MS checked them out equipment-wise after the Beta Testers approved their personal copy of the EULA for Beta Testers and MS could get deep access to their hardware to check it all out for "suitability"). If they didn't like your hardware, you got no invitation. Then they carefully pre-approved the first wave of "high confidence" user machines to do the first couple of 3-4 weeks of roll out. But now MS is down to the lower half of the confidence pile now and things are getting much grimmer inside the last 24 hours reported. ====================================== http://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmorris/2015/08/28/microsoft-windows-10-update-problems/ Microsoft Needs To Fix Windows 10 Update Problems "A free update Windows 10 might be, but it’s giving some people – me included – a massive headache. So far I’ve updated two laptops, a tablet and my main desktop to the stable release of Windows 10. The tablet and my desktop were both previously on the preview builds. The problem is – and if it’s plagued me it must be causing problems for a significant number of other people – is that the upgrades from older versions of Windows never seem to work properly. To illustrate what I mean, I’m going to list my machines and explain how the update has gone. Desktop – No problems, in daily use so just installed the RTM when dMS released it Tablet – Had an early Insider Preview build, wouldn’t update to the RTM (final) version so I downloaded the tool from Microsoft MSFT +0.00% website to install 10 and it worked fine. We can ignore this, because it’s not likely to be a common use case for users. Dell XPS 13 – This machine doesn’t get much use these days, updating it was tricky because it needed to have lots of Windows 7 updates applied first. It did eventually agree to install 10 though. Dell XPS 12 – This is my day-to-day machine, it was running Windows 8.1, and the update again seemed reliant on the existing OS having all the updates, and again I had to go through Windows Update to get it working. Samsung RF510 – An old machine, but a powerful enough one that I use it a fair bit for Plex. Will not update via any means. So, none of my machines was entirely simple to update. The one thing I noticed was that the “Windows Flag” in my tray was absolutely useless in all of these cases. Although reserving my copies of Windows was easy – and utterly pointless, because it didn’t speed up the rate at which a machine got its update – the follow up install was hopeless. What happens on all my machines was that I would click on the “Your copy of Windows 10 is ready to install” and then that process would fail immediately. On both of the XPS machines, I had to get the Windows 10 update through the standard “Windows Update” service. Not the end of the world, but a poor user experience. Things get a lot worse with the Samsung. This is the machine that I just cannot get to update. Nothing works. The Windows 10 logo has announced that my upgrade is ready, but it won’t do anything itself. I’ve downloaded update file for W10 about six times on this machine now, via Windows Update and it hasn’t worked any of those times. In the end I headed to the Windows website to get the same tool I used for the tablet – also a Samsung – and tried that. It appears to work at first, then fails every time, hanging at some point on the Windows 10 boot logo. When the machine is rebooted the PC reverts to Windows 7." Forbes, read by business people everywhere. Articles by Forbes get pushed by Google Cards as straight news about the tech scene and get re-reported all over the place in various media. And Forbes is beginning to say bad things pretty consistently about Windows 10 and the upgrade progress of late. Prediction (from me): folks begin to ask for MS to extend the 30 day roll back period since MS is CAUSING repeated issues with their secret nightly updates that re-re-re-roll old service release packs that have a bug in them (but just for some older hardware sets). Do you get the impression that some folks with "good hardware" that has current drivers available for it are having smooth sailing, and some folks are taking on water continuously and are having to do a whole lot of bailing? ======================================== Personal experience with other folks software NOT directly involved with Win 10 --- Firefox PC upgrades are now coming out now pre-configured for Win 10 machines and they ALL require re-tuning and turning on tool bars and adding/replacing menu items to display properly on Vista whereas before they just dropped in flawlessly as they were tuned for a Win 7 world. Because Win 10 is ubiquitous, expect all second party software to come out set up to display properly on a Win 10 machine from now on. :( ..... is this how you are going to be coerced into getting a new computer? Niggled into it? |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/30/15 at 08:05:10 Sleep/hibernate/suspend and restart/awake are what is being affected by the latest nightly secret update disaster. Some can't get back to functioning properly unless they actually unplug the machine and hard boot it in that fashion. (unplug the battery in a laptop is the laptop equivalent). Laptops are affected more so than desktops. Pundits can't chase this problem, because they don't know what was done in the KB to make it start doing that. "Trust us" that MS will fix it for you, real soon now ....... ::) Y'all come back now real soon, y'hear ?? |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 08/30/15 at 18:23:01 I'm laughing out loud..... no really.... out loud :D Everything you have been putting up that has to do with privacy....is so funny. What happened 14 years ago when "smart" phones started being smart? "They could turn your phone on and off at will" "They could track your movements with the GPS" "They could track your usage; texts, calls, web searches...ect" "They used (and still do) personal information about you, and send it to their third party companies." And now you think MS is just getting out of hand? Apple, Google, MS and I would step up and tell you FOSS software are ALL gathering information about your system, what is on it and what you do with it. Welcome to the Digital age.... hell you can't even go off grid now days... even if you have a cabin on a mountain top... Even if there is a cloudy day they can see you, hell they can see 2 miles into the earths crust! Yeah we want a software system that is going to do us good, without issues.... and not be intrusive..... well, now days, it isn't going to happen, get used to it. P.S. I'm still running windows 10 Pro on the small laptop (full version now, no test stuff, still no ad ons though [no office, or anything] and still it is running good. My large 17" HP is running great also.... with Windows 10 Home Edition Happy computing :D |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 08/31/15 at 06:17:19 OH NO !!!!! 54575F49525F5E493B0 wrote:
Oh no !!! You LAUGHED OUT LOUD about MS, while <shudder> choosing to stay on Win 7 Pro ..... and now we all know what that means, you've done it to us all. You have brought Evil down upon us all, by laughing at anything concerning the Evil Emperor ..... :o :-X http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/08/30/windows-10-spying-on-windows-7-and-windows-8/ Windows 10 Worst Features are now SECRETLY being installed On Windows 7 And Windows 8.1 machines as of last night's updates. Laughing at Microsoft’s controversial data mining and privacy invasions within Windows 10? Well Windows 7 and Windows 8 users should laugh no longer as this most hated spying is now headed your way… Software specialist site gHacks has discovered that Microsoft has pushed four new updates to both Windows 7 and Windows 8 which introduce new data collecting and user behavior tracking features. The four updates in question and the official Microsoft descriptions are: KB3068708 Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry – This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices. By applying this service, you can add benefits from the latest version of Windows to systems that have not yet upgraded. The update also supports applications that are subscribed to Visual Studio Application Insights. (Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1), and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1) KB3022345 (replaced by KB3068708) Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry – This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to in-market devices. By applying this service, you can add benefits from the latest version of Windows to systems that have not yet been upgraded. The update also supports applications that are subscribed to Visual Studio Application Insights. (Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1), and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1) KB3075249 Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 – This update adds telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels. (Windows 8.1, Windows RT 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1), and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1) KB3080149 Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry – This package updates the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices. This service provides benefits from the latest version of Windows to systems that have not yet upgraded. The update also supports applications that are subscribed to Visual Studio Application Insights. (Windows 8.1, Windows RT 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1), and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1) Furthermore gHacks notes that ” these four updates ignore existing user preferences stored in Windows 7 and Windows 8 (including any edits made to the Hosts file) and immediately starts exchanging user data with vortex-win.data.microsoft.com and settings-win.data.microsoft.com. Evil “ These, and maybe others, appear to be hardcoded which means that the Hosts file is bypassed automatically”, gHacks explains. I have reached out to Microsoft about the new patches and will update when the company’s response if/when it is received. But until then the bigger question for those uncomfortable with these changes is: How do you stop them?" From now on, this invasion should be referred to as the "The Old_Rider Laughed Out Loud Invasion". :P |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 08/31/15 at 22:44:44 Oh no !!! You LAUGHED OUT LOUD about MS, while <shudder> choosing to stay on Win 7 Pro ..... and now we all know what that means, you've done it to us all. Um, Win 10 pro..... I have stopped using vista, 7, 8, 8.1 You do know that they all already have been mining your information right? For about 15 years now..... How do you think web sites get there money to keep running? It is called "ad mining", they keep track of your klicks to websites and post advertisements from those sites on the little side panels you see here on this site. What? you think our donations pay for the total of site usage? NOPE..... the ads pay for some too..... yup, suzukisavage.com is mining your information. Not the site per se.... but the folks that wrote the software that John is using to keep us online. Grow up.... stop spreading fear.... Are FOSS folks paying you money to get folks to switch? I stopped using Linux because every program I was interested in had several confusing steps to install..... here is an copy and paste from a site...http://www.control-escape.com/linux/lx-swinstall.html "Installing Software on Linux, One of the most difficult things to get used to in the Linux world is installing new software packages. In the world of Windows, every program comes with a Setup.exe program that asks you some very easy questions and takes care of the job for you. While Linux software can be almost that easy to install, you will sometimes find software that seems to fight every step of the way. I can’t cover all the problems you might run into, but I’ll try to give you the basics and a few pointers to help get you over the rough spots. Software tends to come in “packages”. In the Windows world a package is a Setup.exe or a program.zip file. On a Mac a package is a program.dmg or a program.sit file. In the Linux world, there are several kinds of packages, and each distribution has its own preferred package format. The standard Linux package format (according to the Linux Standard Base) is RPM. RPM is a packaging system originally developed by Red Hat and widely used in the Linux community. Distributions using it include Fedora, Mandriva, Red Hat (naturally), and SUSE. An RPM package file normally will be named something like program-version-other.rpm Another popular package format is DEB, the Debian software package. Debian packages and the Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) were the first to introduce several advanced features that are now common, such as automatic dependency resolution and signed packages. Debian packages are used by Debian GNU/Linux (naturally), and distributions based on it, including Ubuntu, Knoppix, and Mepis. A Debian package file normally will be named something like program-version-other.deb Remember, you will need to become SuperUser to install software." I'm not a super user..... and i'm sure all these folks here are not either..... P.S. If you guys can understand all the stuff I copied and pasted in that Installing Linux programs paragraph... go ahead and load up Linux...... You see, software is confusing..... and folks are supposed to help you... not scare the bejesus out of you .... My system is running fine....both of them.... why is that? My graphics error was because of a driver.... my slow speed for the internet software is because of the security issues Microsoft is having with those that want to not "conform" and promise not to HACK your system. Read up on the new software, go to the Microsoft boards and ask questions.... there are actually some folks there that will help you with your issues. I actually use google chrome browser without a problem.... why are there folks (news and tech writers) having such issues with it? Maybe it is because they are disabling all the Microsoft stuff and editing their registries causing the Microsoft bug catcher to "catch" them. How can you expect a system to work when you disable part of it? I'm gonna go to bed now..... i'm tired..... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 09/01/15 at 08:06:55 Old-Rider, What you post about was true about Debian and Red Hat and their derivatives about 6-7 years ago. Ubuntu created the Software Manager to take care of that sort of issue for you. On Ubuntu and all its more polished derivatives like Linux Mint you click on Software Manager, provide your systems password (which even Windows 10 insists that you use now when fiddling with software installations, btw) and pick your software from a list of about 3,000 free packages and hit install. Inside of 2-3 minutes (broadband) it has gone to the repository, gotten the software, installed and configured it -- none of which requires you to know or do any of the old style stuff you refer to. You do need to right click yourself a desktop icon if you want it on your desktop. There are REASONS I keep recommending Linux Mint to people, and Software Manager is just one of them. ========================================= "I actually use google chrome browser without a problem.... why are there folks (news and tech writers) having such issues with it? Maybe it is because they are disabling all the Microsoft stuff and editing their registries causing the Microsoft bug catcher to "catch" them. How can you expect a system to work when you disable part of it?" Old-Rider brings up a new point that is becoming a more valid point all the time -- you HAVE to "just trust" MS and leave all the stuff MS does alone since every nit and niggle they send to you each night presupposes you haven't messed at all with what they have sent you in the recent past. So, yes, I concur that all people who mess with their settings are more likely to see issues with Win 10 and that does include all power users such as Serobot who routinely tweek their machines to suit them ever more perfectly. What is bad is that MS will occasionally send you stuff that makes your machine sick, and you HAVE to go tweek settings and such to fix it -- perhaps firing off the next set of ills because YOU CHANGED SOMETHING and what you get tonight was built off of what MS sent you recently (presumes NO CHANGES were made by you). Vicious cycle, no? ====================================== So, why use Linux Mint 17.2? Easy to get. Free. Doesn't track you or report on you or sell you (your browser does that for you, of course). Updates are small and bi-weekly and you pick what you push into your machine as your root password is needed to do a software update and once you are in it Update Manager ALWAYS lets you pick and choose what gets installed. NO UNDERSTANDING OF LINUX ANYTHING IS REQUIRED IN LINUX MINT 17.2 -- everything is controlled by XP type menus called up by hitting the Menu symbol in the bottom left hand corner of the screen or by simply right clicking on an item (just like XP did with Start Menu and the right click trick). Simple. Powerful. FAST FAST FAST (only ChromeOS is faster). Makes MS seem ssslllooowww when you use it. :) Mostly, it is the feeling of this when you are using it ...... http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2064/2220752645_7669cd356e.jpg hee hee ..... and they give me free software for life if I use their stuff so yeah, I occasionally promote it as they will do the same thing for you too ..... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 09/01/15 at 08:36:31 Of course, you can do nothing and MS will sneak in at night and stick an antenna up your butt and issue you hot sticky white armor to wear and put you to work marching in the upgrade/update torrent parade ....... http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2007/01/01/rose2.jpg Or, you can join the Rebel Alliance and stay away from the Emperor and his minions. But you still gotta watch out for those Borg guys trying to drill one into yer eyeball when you ain't paying attention, they like to quietly sneak up on you, they do. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 09/01/15 at 09:10:17 http://liliputing.com/2015/09/microsoft-will-support-windows-10-through-2025-at-least.html Microsoft will fully support Windows 10 through 2020 Microsoft has issued "clarification" to their financial presentations that kicked up such a furor over Win 10 only lasting 2-4 years. "Microsoft has updated its Windows lifecycle fact sheet with end-of-support dates for Windows 10. The company says mainstream support for the operating system ends October 13th, 2020 while extended support ends October 14th, 2023." Now please note that free Win 10 will last a grand total of 10 years, but if and only if ....... "Note that there’s something else different about Windows 10. Since there are cumulative updates instead of Service Pack releases, Microsoft says it will only offer support for computers that have the latest updates installed." You either march in the parade in your white armor the whole way or you are possibly left behind when the Death Star goes into its next hyperdrive jump. (yeah, they'll space ya with the trash, dude) And don't be trying to take that helmet off because you are all hot and sweaty, either ...... And don't be a pulling at that antenna in yer butt, either. Leave it right were we shoved it. ;) jest march right on along, you "willing" clone solder you. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 09/01/15 at 09:31:43 We have a new poll for you to vote in -- vote for as many items as you wish, since all this one does is sense your reactions and overall impressions of the Win 10 roll out at this point in time. You can change your vote by deleting your old one and re-voting as things change. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by jcstokes on 09/01/15 at 17:20:27 What is "Borged"? |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 09/01/15 at 17:28:23 Read http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1440951796/ http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Zed85ECjxd4/UQGdNJvoFsI/AAAAAAAAJ5U/3kPKZoPnWyc/s1600/Eye-See-You-drill-eyeball-peephole.png When this makes sense you've got it. If you never watched Star Trek the New Generation, you likely will never get it. .... but you can look up the terms and see if the internet can educate you on the Borg Collective and how they "reproduced". Similarities between what MS is doing now and what the fictional Borg supposedly did in that fictional future are quite clear. And, when you think about the people who are embedding early microelectronics inside their human flesh even as we speak, well then the Borg might become an even more relevant mental picture to you. You see, the Borg would implant you whether you wanted it or not ..... sorta like MS is doing now. Without benefit of anesthesia, no less. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 09/01/15 at 20:52:55 Momma always told me.... "it ain't free" there is always a catch.... If they are so good at writing all the free stuff.... you bet your bipper, they are really good at hiding what goes on in the back round. I stopped using Linux because of all the steps I would have to go through to use "wine" or another program, to make my game work properly. I did have it running after dragging it from my windows side into my Linux side...but there were issues. After all, the game is designed to work with windows..... so why use Linux to run it? When my computer starts attaching itself to my extremities i'll be worried.... but until then..... Happy Computing.... |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/15 at 05:27:58 Now Old-Rider, I know you use Steam on your MS boxes. It is the same Steam on Linux and most of the games now work on Linux too, mainly because the big houses want to put their games on SteamBoxes which all run off of Linux. Gabe has told them the rules, he will still sell MS only software, but he prefers your stuff to run on his Steamboxes too. You haven't tried Linux in how many years now ?? What you report doesn't seem to apply to the current Linux Mint 17.2 anyway. Conversely, I too am a MS Beta tester and I still get all the emails -- all good white suited clones are supposed to be trying to buffer the bad press by explaining things. Quoting the same misinformation that MS uses to train Best Buy sales people to say to PC buyers isn't being very helpful, now is it? Every time I go into Best Buy I ask the ever present sales person where the Linux boxes are, just so I can hear the current spiel spoken out loud by a real live person. Did you know that these people ARE paid to say that? Are required by Best Buy to say that? Ask them to buy a Chromebox and they have a different spiel they are paid to say. Hey, you guys can ask them too, next time you are in Best Buy. It's fun. When they say their wifi isn't working with the Chromebooks and go into why Chromebooks really suck when caught off line ask them why the wifi seems to be working just fine across the isle in the phones area ..... I had one girl actually tell me that was phone wifi and that phone wifi isn't compatible with Chromebooks. ;D ;) "Momma always told me.... "it ain't free" there is always a catch...." she must have dealt with MS before, huh? But it is a saying because it is generally true, and it is. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/15 at 06:05:48 Microsoft will announce 100 million Win 10 installations "soon" at the Berlin show. They will say they are on track to getting their 1 Billion installations by the end of the year. To do this they need to be able to count ALL the Win 7 people and ALL the Win 8.1 people. And perhaps, ALL the Vista people as well. (you do know there are very minimal differences between Win 7 and Vista and they both ran on the same generation of equipment, right?) So, following the logic that MS wants all users to have an antenna, I would say the Borg will next begin visiting the Vista people for them late night eyeball and antenna fittings. ;) We also expect these folks to get their little window icon and to eventually to get swung over to Win 10 before the end of this year willy-nilly style. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/15 at 08:02:55 Even the pro-Windows sites are beginning to address what they see as a burgeoning issue with Windows 10 and personal privacy. They know that whatever MS automatically collects, the government can access and peruse at will. http://www.windows10update.com/2015/06/is-windows-10-at-the-intersection-between-user-privacy-and-personalization/ Is Windows 10 at the intersection between user privacy and personalization? http://4dm7pi3anfms2bn7sk7u16h1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Online-Privacy-Windows10.jpg How did they find out I went to that Really Hung Ukranian Guys porn site at the all girls beach weekend last year? And they are revoking my security clearance because of it? OMG !! "There’s an important discussion that citizens of the free world are having. It’s about the appropriate depths and limits of government surveillance over the average citizen. What is the line between safety from terrorists and the invasion of my privacy? It’s a fair question and depending on what country you live in, the answer will be different. I believe Windows 10 will also introduce a new question for all of us to ponder, namely: Where do we draw the line between the personalization of an Operating System and your privacy as an individual? Have you read Microsoft’s new, revised Privacy Statement? 99.9% of you will not read it because it’s long and boring and you have better things to do (or at least you think you do) but it really is worth reading. I did because well, that’s what I do. To account for all the new products and services being introduced into the marketplace, Microsoft made significant changes to their privacy policies and statements. Here are some of the fun parts (emphasis mine). CORTANA Location services. Cortana regularly collects and uses your current location and location history to give you the most relevant notices and results and to make suggestions that help save you time, such as traffic and location based reminders. Cortana can only work if location services are on, so if you turn them off, Cortana will be disabled. ?? Interesting that it says Cortana will only work with location services enabled. Why does Cortana need to know my location to open an app, tell me who won a basketball game etc? Speech and Input Personalization. To help Cortana better understand the way you speak and your voice commands, speech data is sent to Microsoft to build personalized speech models and improve speech recognition. On Windows devices, Cortana can only work if Input Personalization is on, so if you turn it off, Cortana will be disabled. ?? See my point above – why? Interesting – the Windows 10 section is HUGE and has lots of nuggets in there too. WINDOWS 10 First of all this is interesting – Microsoft actually defines Windows 10 for the first time here. The official definition of Windows 10 Windows 10 (“Windows”) is a personalized computing environment that enables you to seamlessly roam and access services, preferences and content across your computing devices from phones to tablets to the Surface Hub. Rather than residing as a static software program on your device, key components of Windows are cloud-based, and both cloud and local elements of Windows are updated regularly, providing you with the latest improvements and features. Your Windows 10 license is tied to your device When you activate Windows, a specific product key is associated with the device on which your software is installed. The product key and data about the software and your device is sent to Microsoft to confirm your valid license to the software. This datturning down my job applicationa may be sent again if there is a need to re-activate or validate your license. On Startup Microsoft will check your phone every time. On phones running Windows, device location at the time of the first power up of the device is also sent to Microsoft for the purpose of warranty registration, stock replenishment, and fraud prevention. You’re now being assigned an Advertiser ID Windows generates a unique advertising ID for each user on a device. Your advertising ID can be used by app developers and advertising networks to provide more relevant advertising. You can turn off access to this identifier at any time in the device Settings. If you choose to turn it on again, a new identifier will be generated. Microsoft collects data about you and your friends For example, to provide personalized speech recognition, we collect your voice input, as well your name and nickname, your recent calendar events and the names of the people in your appointments, and information about your contacts including names and nicknames. This additional data enables us to better recognize people and events when you dictate messages or documents. Administrators can overrule your disabling location services The Find My Device feature allows an administrator of a Windows PC or tablet to find the location of that device if the administrator has enabled the location service for the device, even if other users have disabled location for themselves. When the administrator attempts to locate the device, users will see a notification in the notification center. Microsoft keeps records on your children’s activities for a period of time (unspecified) if Microsoft Family is enabled Microsoft Family. Parents can use Microsoft Family to understand and set boundaries on how their child is using their device. There are many features available to Family members, so please carefully review the information provided when you create or join a Family. When Family activity reporting is turned on for a child, Microsoft will collect details about how the child uses their device and provide parents with reports of that child’s activities. Activity reports are routinely deleted from Microsoft servers after a short period of time. SmartScreen keeps track of your downloads but for how long? SmartScreen. SmartScreen helps protect you when using our services by checking downloaded files and web content for malicious software, potentially unsafe web content, and other threats to you or your device. When checking a file, data about that file is sent to Microsoft, including the file name, a hash of the file’s contents, and the file’s digital certificates. If SmartScreen identifies the file as unknown or potentially unsafe, you will see a warning prior to opening the file. When checking web content, data about the content is sent to Microsoft, including the full web address of the content. If SmartScreen detects that content is potentially unsafe, you will see a warning in place of the content. SmartScreen can be turned on or off in Settings. Page Prediction sends your browsing history to Microsoft Page Prediction sends your browsing history to Microsoft and uses aggregated browsing history data to predict which pages you are likely to browse to next and proactively loads those pages in the background for a faster browsing experience. Microsoft collects data about you from maps even though maps may be turned off The Maps app provides location-based services and uses Bing services to process your searches within the Maps app. Please see the Bing section of this privacy statement to learn more about these Bing-powered experiences. When the Maps app has access to your location, even when the app is not in use, Microsoft may collect de-identified location data from your device to improve Microsoft’s services. You can disable the Maps app’s access to your location by turning off the location service or turning off the Maps app’s access to the location service. And there’s much more." |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/15 at 10:09:18 http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/09/02/windows-10-updates-u-turn/ Windows 10 Updates U-Turn: Microsoft Details Changes Speaking to press this week Microsoft Corporate Vice President Jim Alkove said the company will stop hiding the contents of Windows 10 updates and what changes they will make once installed. In fact Alkove went as far as admitting these changes come directly from user complaints: “We’ve heard that feedback from enterprise customers so we’re actively working on how we provide them with information about what’s changing and what new capabilities and new value they’re getting,” he declared. But did you spot that vital keyword? Yes, Enterprise. There is also a certain irony to Microsoft listening to Enterprise first. Yes big business customers are crucial, but users of Windows 10 Enterprise have the power to delay and even stop updates indefinitely to see how things pan out. By contrast Windows 10 Pro has no indefinite stopping power and Windows 10 Home users can delay just one month (without workaround hacks) before these vaguely described updates are forcibly installed. Clouds On The Horizon But the realist in me is concerned. While I strongly hope Microsoft will extend the common sense privileges it is looking to bestow on enterprise customers to all users, its recent actions speak louder than words. Notably in January the very same Jim Alkove openly stated that Microsoft saw home users akin to guinea pigs for the betterment of Enterprise customers: “By the time Current branch for Business machines are updated, the changes will have been validated by millions of Insiders, consumers and customers’ internal test processes for several months, allowing updates to be deployed with this increased assurance of validation,” explained Alkove in a Windows blog post. In addition, and perhaps even more worryingly, just last week Microsoft started quietly installing some of the Windows 10 data mining and privacy invading telemetry on Windows 7 and Windows 8. And guess what? The convoluted language in these updates largely hid their true purpose." :-/ Big Business, their IT Managers and their Corporate Lawyers have begun a discourse with Microsoft about Win 10 and very most especially the nighttime Borging of pre-existing Windows 7 installations. Microsoft has said all along that the first wave of Consumer Win 10 is intended to prototype the Enterprise software that is yet to come for the Corporate guys. Guess what? Corporate does not like what they are seeing in Consumer Win 10 -- not a bit of it. Especially the BS secrecy about nightly updates with ZERO information about what is contained within. And the Corporate Lawyers were very blunt about any Borging of Win 7 -- it is grounds for legal action as it violates corporate agreements that have been in place for 10 years. Microsoft backing away from Corporate pressure and keeping an acknowledged dual standard means that they have now opened the door for some class action suits from Consumer groups. Microsoft has been put on notice that they CANNOT unilaterally change a pre-existing EULA. ::) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by old_rider on 09/02/15 at 16:55:03 Comon' man! You mean to tell me Micro-soft didn't write into the original EULA that they can change the way it is used and written? I mean, they have really good "hide it in the small print" lawyers. I mean, I really don't mind that Cortana needs to know where I am, cause' if I say; "Cortana, where is the nearest restaurant", I want her to tell me the "nearest" one to me. Does she need my camera on? nope, does she need my microphone on? nope.... but then, have you updated or downloaded an ap on your android phone? Don't just say ok..... look at what they want to be able to do to your phone.... its the same with aps for your PC or Tablet. But about Microsoft spying on everything I do.... well.... I want it to keep track and learn what my mumbly voice sounds like, so it won't send me to some porn sight when I say where is the corn growing tallest this year? And they are always going to track your location on your phone, tablet and PC, because if you say those magic words that terrorists use, they want to know where you are. I don't mind....hope they catch them.... That's why I said I was laughing.... not at you.... but at the system that is doing all this..... it helps me greatly by keeping track of me and learning about me..... but if someone thinks that by doing that, they are learning my inner secrets.... I have to laugh.... So far the only thing I have been seeing with microsoft's new net product "Edge", is that like I stated in the first part..... "it is fast! but might slow down when the cache starts growing", well it has slowed, but it is still comparable to 8.1, and that was fast enough for me. I still use chrome browser on occasion, and it has stayed at a good cruising speed. I shut down at night, and believe it or not... they don't power my system back on and spy on me or use my laptop to update someone on the net, it stays powered down. Power in my neighborhood went down several times today, because some inverter somewhere was acting up. My modem and router both booted back up everytime, and windows 10 notified me when my printer was back online each time.... 8.1 didn't do that. I do get notifications almost everyday.... some are HP ads, some are Microsoft ads, and some are messages about updates. All in all, i'm still liking the new windows 10.... guess i'm one of the lucky ones. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/15 at 19:33:46 In truth, people still have the potential to like Win 10 IF MS quits jerking people around and starts to get the drivers right. First thing they need to do is STOP writing headlines for the computer press guys by doing STUPID things like having finance say Win 10 is only intended for 2-4 years. That may have been a plan at one point in time, but it was a stupid one and now it is an ex-plan. Hiding what was in the daily updates was stupid too. Sure, it was embarrassing for MS but really, they deserved to be embarrassed some for resending and resending and resending the same broken updates time and again. Borging people was STUPID (and actionable) as was playing "switch the EULA" with the Europeans. The Europeans are up in arms and collecting information for their regulatory agencies to act upon -- THAT was stupid too. Having the Russians say they are going to ban you means YOU SCREWED UP ROYALLY. If your only extant business plan says you have to spy on your customers and be turning them in to various trade regulatory agencies for what is on their hard drives, then you haven't really got a viable business plan at all. Right now the Win 10 install either goes good for you or it is abrupt driver hell -- there does not seem to be any moderate ground right now. All the easy stuff seems to be already done and gone now. Microsoft, take a deep breath and regroup and STOP PISSING OFF YOUR USER BASE and being all arrogant out the wang like you have been doing of late. You are acting like Microsoft the Almighty again, and that simply isn't true any more. You are Microsoft the not so great with only 10-14% of total devices market share and you have some growing, becoming slightly more serious as every quarter passes real competition -- in both Apple and in Chrome and in Linux -- folks who are still doing great shakes in keeping their users bases content and happy. And you are all busy pissing your user base off all the time. :-[ MS, like the Evil Empire, is creating their very own resistance movement by their own ongoing actions. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Violent_Rage on 09/05/15 at 03:05:51 Even if I am a fan of Linux since ancient times, especially professionally speaking, I am also a gamer and you certainly can't say that videogames widely support Linux and vice versa... So, I upgraded from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 with a certain satisfaction. In fact, I'll tell you more, although my PC is very old (Core 2 Duo E6600), it runs fast, much better than XP that gave me a lot of satisfaction in the past. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 09/08/15 at 06:44:28 Have you checked out Steam? Almost all games are available on Linux now. There are some hold outs though -- the ones with Xbox contracts mostly. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by jcstokes on 09/08/15 at 14:41:50 Just had another 29395 "updates" whatever on windows 7. Borg can do as he pleases. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 09/08/15 at 15:31:25 http://https://geeklydevotionals.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/borg.jpg The evil emperor says that you must use Microsoft softwares. |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by mpescatori on 09/10/15 at 02:19:53 11323A383B32323B2C5E0 wrote:
Why provide the opportunity to change to Chrome or Linux and not the opportunity to say "no thanks, I'm buying Apple" I mean, I know you can reformat any hard drive and install Linux (know nothing of Chrome OS, perhaps it doesn't exist this side to the Ocean) but I noticed my latest HP desktop has better hardware characteristics than my son's iMac 21"... :-? ::) :D Hmmm... ;) ...imagine... loading AppleOSX on an HP PC !!! ;D |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 09/11/15 at 09:18:34 http://liliputing.com/2015/09/your-pc-might-download-windows-10-even-if-you-dont-plan-to-upgrade.html Your PC is having Windows 10 pushed to it even if you don’t plan to upgrade and haven't signed up for it at all Many Win 7 \ Win 8.x users who allowed the Borg to drill out their eyeballs and insert their butt antenna through not actively resisting the Borg nightly visits might want to check their hard drives for a VERY LARGE six gigabyte hidden folder with files that just showed up on your machine in the last night or two. Yup, it is your full white Stormtrooper Clone outfit, ready for the Borg to fit you into while you sleep. One morning you will just wake up and clank as your white armored feet hit the carpet. "The Register got a note from a reader, pointing out that he had not registered for the Windows 10 update, but that he found a huge file in a hidden folder on his computer that suggested his PC had downloaded the Windows 10 installation files. So The Register reached out to Microsoft, and a representative confirmed that “we help upgradeable devices get ready for Windows 10 by downloading the files they’ll need if they decide to upgrade.” In other words, if you’ve got automatic updates turned on (which you should, since this is how Microsoft pushes important security updates to your computer), Microsoft may send up to 6GB of data to your computer. That’s kind of a huge waste of bandwidth and storage if you have no intention of upgrading to Windows 10. On the other hand, if you do plan to upgrade, it should speed up the process since you should already have many of the files you need on your computer. Want to delete the folder to free up space? Microsoft will just download it again. But you can (at least temporarily) stop your computer from trying to download Windows 10 files by uninstalling the KB3035583 update." It is interesting to note that KB3035583 did something that it wasn't supposed to do and that YOU DIDN'T PRE-APPROVE when you allowed it, but this is typical behavior for "Microsoft the guileful and conniving" them super sneaky Win 10 pushers that they are. http://https://geeklydevotionals.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/borg.jpg Don't want Windows 10? Tough --- MS says you will be assimilated anyway ..... (you will eventually allow a KB update that has the word upgrade or update or some other up- word in it then wammo, you got your white armor on when you wake up the next day) |
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Title: Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already? Post by Oldfeller on 09/11/15 at 09:57:50 http://lifehacker.com/how-to-block-windows-10-upgrade-downloads-if-youre-not-1730024570 Lifehacker says now that there are SEVERAL "mis-labled" nightly KB sends are now able to fit you up with your white clone outfit that you don't want and didn't ask for. That is a neat new MS trick MS is using now, when they RE-RE-RE-SEND their endless chain of repeat repeat repeat KBs they add some extra code to them to be carried along with the repeat repeat repeat nightly nonsense. Ain't that guileful, sneaky and conniving of them ????? "Microsoft is downloading it anyway. Here’s how to block it. For the Windows 10 update, Microsoft has chosen to automatically start the download process, regardless of whether you’ve confirmed you want the update. This makes some sense for those who use automatic updates normally, except Windows 10 can be huge. As in multiple gigabytes huge. If you have a capped data connection, or simply don’t want to bother downloading it right now, Ghacks has laid out some steps for blocking the updates: Search for “Programs and features” in the Start Menu. Select “view installed updates” on the left side of the window. Windows 7: locate the following updates: 3035583, 2952664, 3021917 Windows 8: locate the following updates: 3035583, 2976978 Right-click each update select uninstall. Select Restart Later when the prompt appears. Restart when you’ve finished these steps for each update. Once you’ve finished this process, you’ll need to block the updates from being installed again. To do that, follow these steps: Search for Windows Update in the Start Menu. Choose “check for updates.” Windows should find the same updates from above. Click on “important update is available.” Right-click each of the updates above and select “Hide update.” This should prevent your computer from downloading those updates again in the future. Keep in mind that if you want to upgrade to Windows 10 later, you’ll need to unblock these updates. However, this should help prevent Microsoft from downloading several gigabytes of data to your machine when you’re not ready for it." Normal Win 7 users who did not plan on upgrading are NOW PAYING TO PUSH 6 GIG UPDATES ALL OVER THE INTERNET -- wonder what that is going to do to their monthly data plan charges ???? ========================================= http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/09/11/windows-10-update/ Now a new issue, this year's crop of Chromekillers are choking out all over the place as their carefully monitored little bitty hard drives are getting overwhelmed by the unplanned re-re-repeated nightly visitors ..... "Today in ‘things we wish Microsoft would ask really, really nicely about before they just went ahead and did it without telling us’, it’s Windows 7 & 8 quietly downloading Windows 10 for you, regardless of whether or not you intend to install it. But it will download between 3.5GB and 6GB of data, which is bad news for anyone with a download cap, as well as leaving that data sat on your hard drive, which is bad news for anyone with a weeny-teeny SSD. Some ultralite laptops and hybrids have a mere 32GB capacity, so that’s going to sting. The folder’s also hidden by default, which may leave the unaware flummoxed as to quite where all their space has gone. Go to Folder Options in Windows explorer (alt-f-o is a keyboard shortcut to it), view, then select ‘Show Hidden Files and Folders’ and you should then spot a ‘$Windows.~BT’ folder hanging around the root directory of your main hard drive. I still don’t know entirely how seriously to take all the privacy issues, but stuff like this just makes me sigh. I’m prepared to ascribe it to over-enthusiasm, but it’s a shame that a good OS keeps raining on its own parade." |
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