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Re: Okay, popped the case & looked at the cam
Reply #75 - 03/06/07 at 16:51:45
 
Here are some pics with my new camchain guides in place.

1st pic is wide angle with new guides, sorry no before picture.


note: no black coating in here,  Smiley

2nd pic is a close-up new guides and tensioner is 16mm out. Tensioner was 20mm with old guides.




last pic is comparison of old and new guides. New guides are on top in each pair.



notice cracks in each of old guides. On doing some measurements the new front guide was 1mm wider at the bolt hole than the old. Other than that they were within .5 mm, and there was almost no difference on the chain side of the guides.

I guess what i am saying that I was completely wrong, with my guide theory, and although the guides contribute some, 4mm in my case, it is the chain that is the major culprit. So I am going to r. ayers and ordering a new chain, i am taking no chances.

click on the pics for full size.
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Reply #76 - 03/06/07 at 21:58:46
 
Great.  Now we're getting somewhere.

I can't wait to see what "new everything" measures out to be...

Thanks.
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Reply #77 - 03/06/07 at 23:11:09
 
Man! that puppy's clean!
Let me pay homage oh great one!
And what sacrafice do I offer upon the single cylinder alter?  dynojuice or synthetic?
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Reply #78 - 03/07/07 at 04:17:08
 
verslagen1 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:03:
Man! that puppy's clean!
Let me pay homage oh great one!
And what sacrafice do I offer upon the single cylinder alter?  dynojuice or synthetic?


I would think that something along the line of "Roadkill" would be more appropriate....Dog, cat, bird...
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Reply #79 - 03/07/07 at 06:53:10
 
justin_o_guy wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:03:
In my case (oooh a pun!) the black stuff doesn't stick inside the clutch cover


That's the biggest clue in this mystery. If it was oil deposits, it would be inside the clutch cover too.

Ken

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Reply #80 - 03/07/07 at 06:56:13
 
rokrover wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:03:
That black coating looks like classic motor oil sludge to me.  

My clutch cover will be off for several days while I order up some parts. Anyone is welcome to stop by and have a look-see.

Ken in Albuquerque

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Reply #81 - 03/07/07 at 11:45:40
 
Savage_Greg wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:03:
I would think that something along the line of "Roadkill" would be more appropriate....Dog, cat, bird...

I've done the squirrel thing, they do like to run across roads at inappropriate times.  Seen one firmly affixed to the hood of a camarro.  The guy liked racing up and down a service road to see how many he could get.

But really like to see some input put on the dirty/clean cases we have here as to what oil is in use.  It might change my mind.
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Reply #82 - 03/07/07 at 12:17:10
 
Once again I will make my case( ooh ANother pun) for the black being a factory thing.

I have only used Suzuki oil for every oil change except the last one, when I went with a Yamalube 20/40. I never went more than 3000 miles on an oil change.

Visual clues include: it's not black or even stained in the bottom of the sump. I didn't wipe in there, when I drained the oil, it was as clean in there as the inside of the clutch cover, which looks like factory fresh cast aluminum.
 The black color is even all across the side of the engine. If it was sludge I would expect it to be thicker & darker closer to the hottest points, which would (IMO) create a heavier, darker area nearest to the cylinder. There are signs of areas not completely covered, as I noticed near the oil fill hole, since the baffle creates a bit of an obstruction to an application of (whatever they used).

Now, WHY? If it was done at the factory, was it done to all models that have the blacked out cylinders? The case id black, the cyl;inder is also black, with the fin edges machined off to show the aluminum. And, why would a manufacturer spend one red cent to do such a thing?

But, since it won't wipe off even using Berrymans High powered cleaner, I mean not even a smudge on a white rag,, (once the excess oil was off of it), but removing that covering isn't happening without abrasives. Since it's not in the sump or on the clutch cover, I don't see it as an issue.
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Reply #83 - 03/07/07 at 13:26:57
 
Yeah, but is that burned oil?

Just kidding (greg ducking, now...)
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Reply #84 - 03/07/07 at 14:24:10
 
Thanks for the info,
The fact that the finish does not exist at the bottom of the sump can mean either of 2 things... one the finish/sealer was disolved by the hot oil. Or it's sludge.  And the evidence for that is the film is missing in areas not constantly awash with oil or the surface is relatively cool. (why a duck, why not a chicken?)   Grin
And I think if they had a bad lot of cases that were so porous as to leak oil they would have scrapped the entire lot.
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Reply #85 - 03/07/07 at 14:27:36
 
Okay.  I'll just hide behind you Grin
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Reply #86 - 03/07/07 at 22:50:54
 
Dude, Verslagen, really, Berrymans won't budge it. I have cast all both eyeballs at it with a real interest. If the hot oil in the sump disolved the sludge, wouldn't I see tracks where hot oil dripping off of gears washed a trail?
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Reply #87 - 03/08/07 at 04:58:55
 
justin_o_guy wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:03:
Dude, Verslagen, really, Berrymans won't budge it. I have cast all both eyeballs at it with a real interest. If the hot oil in the sump disolved the sludge, wouldn't I see tracks where hot oil dripping off of gears washed a trail?

But are you sure it isn't burnt oil?

Okay, okay, I believe you.  Ken's engine had me convinced already anyway.
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Reply #88 - 03/08/07 at 09:56:18
 
Yea, Kens engine made me feel better, too.
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Reply #89 - 03/08/07 at 10:43:58
 
Really though, "what, why, and how" still needs an answer.
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