Here are some pics with my new camchain guides in place.
1st pic is wide angle with new guides, sorry no before picture.
note: no black coating in here,
2nd pic is a close-up new guides and tensioner is 16mm out. Tensioner was 20mm with old guides.
last pic is comparison of old and new guides. New guides are on top in each pair.
notice cracks in each of old guides. On doing some measurements the new front guide was 1mm wider at the bolt hole than the old. Other than that they were within .5 mm, and there was almost no difference on the chain side of the guides.
I guess what i am saying that I was completely wrong, with my guide theory, and although the guides contribute some, 4mm in my case, it is the chain that is the major culprit. So I am going to r. ayers and ordering a new chain, i am taking no chances.
click on the pics for full size.