Donate!
Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register :: View Members
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 
Send Topic Print
Pullin trigger-94mm hicomp stage 3 PWK38-gaskets? (Read 336 times)
TheSneeze
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline



Posts: 1201
Northern Nevada
Gender: male
Re: Pullin trigger-94mm hicomp stage 3 PWK38-gaske
Reply #30 - 10/14/22 at 08:27:08
 
I quit using metal tools (razor blades, spatulas, putty knives, etc) on gasket surfaces a long time ago.  I don't want any introduced marring or scratching on these types of surfaces.  Harbor Freight sells a set of hard plastic chisels that work beautifully on removing stubborn gaskets.  Sometimes it helps using some chemicals to soften up the really difficult ones.  The plastic tools never damage the gasket surfaces, even the aluminum ones.
Back to top
 

image_13527.jpg

Every twenty minute job is a stripped thread away from being a three day ordeal.

'87 LS650h Savage Street Tracker
'86 LS650g Savage (parts bike)
'81 Kawasaki KZ750e ELR tribute
  IP Logged
TheSneeze
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline



Posts: 1201
Northern Nevada
Gender: male
Re: Pullin trigger-94mm hicomp stage 3 PWK38-gaske
Reply #31 - 10/14/22 at 08:29:28
 
Another method is to use a fine scotchbrite wheel on a drill motor.  It won't remove metal very easily and can really make quick work of the more stubborn gaskets.
Back to top
 
 

Every twenty minute job is a stripped thread away from being a three day ordeal.

'87 LS650h Savage Street Tracker
'86 LS650g Savage (parts bike)
'81 Kawasaki KZ750e ELR tribute
  IP Logged
Yazman
Full Member
***
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 131
Ohio
Gender: male
Re: Pullin trigger-94mm hicomp stage 3 PWK38-gaske
Reply #32 - 10/15/22 at 07:28:48
 
Stupid Horrible Freight torque wrench  Angry Angry Angry Angry

And I wondered why I snapped all the head bolts in my old engine. The stupid thing never clicks at any torque! I only found this out after I way over torqued my head bolts the savage.

I bought a new torque wrench. A beam style. However, I know that I torqued them to way way over 25 ft lb. I think I'm just going to let it ride.

EDIT: thanks TheSneeze for the tip. I used a plastic trim tool to scrape my gaskets, and it worked great!
Back to top
 
« Last Edit: 10/20/22 at 08:28:55 by Yazman »  

2011 RYCA - 94mm flat top Wiseco, stage 3 cam, PWK38, open exhaust, UNI filter, 14/52 chain drive
  IP Logged
Yazman
Full Member
***
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 131
Ohio
Gender: male
Re: Pullin trigger-94mm hicomp stage 3 PWK38-gaske
Reply #33 - 10/15/22 at 12:54:49
 
Anyone know what this is? I'm about to put the head cover back on, and all of a sudden I see this piece laying on the floor.
Back to top
 

IMG_20221015_1553413842.jpg

2011 RYCA - 94mm flat top Wiseco, stage 3 cam, PWK38, open exhaust, UNI filter, 14/52 chain drive
  IP Logged
justin_o_guy2
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

What happened?

Posts: 55279
East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.
Re: Pullin trigger-94mm hicomp stage 3 PWK38-gaske
Reply #34 - 10/15/22 at 13:00:13
 
I'm not sure but if I'm guessing I would say it is the clutch throw out rod.
But I did not know they were that long.
I'm sure someone who actually knows will be along soon.
If you have the clutch cover on, you can pull the clutch lever and if it has no resistance, you might have a clue.
Back to top
 
 

The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.- Edmund Burke.
  IP Logged
verslagen1
YaBB Moderator
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Where there's a
will, I want to be
in it.

Posts: 28780
L.A. California
Gender: male
Re: Pullin trigger-94mm hicomp stage 3 PWK38-gaske
Reply #35 - 10/15/22 at 13:52:30
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/15/22 at 13:00:13:
I'm not sure but if I'm guessing I would say it is the clutch throw out rod.
But I did not know they were that long.
I'm sure someone who actually knows will be along soon.
If you have the clutch cover on, you can pull the clutch lever and if it has no resistance, you might have a clue.

ding ding ding... I think we have a winner.

should be 46mm long give or take a 1mm.
Back to top
 
 
WWW   IP Logged
Yazman
Full Member
***
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 131
Ohio
Gender: male
Re: Pullin trigger-94mm hicomp stage 3 PWK38-gaske
Reply #36 - 10/15/22 at 14:01:12
 
Man you guys are life savers! Fit right inside that hole in the middle of the clutch pack. I really appreciate it fellas
Back to top
 
 

2011 RYCA - 94mm flat top Wiseco, stage 3 cam, PWK38, open exhaust, UNI filter, 14/52 chain drive
  IP Logged
justin_o_guy2
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

What happened?

Posts: 55279
East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.
Re: Pullin trigger-94mm hicomp stage 3 PWK38-gaske
Reply #37 - 10/15/22 at 15:50:17
 
You can mail me my Gold star.
I sent mine to Dave.
Back to top
 
 

The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.- Edmund Burke.
  IP Logged
Yazman
Full Member
***
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 131
Ohio
Gender: male
Re: Pullin trigger-94mm hicomp stage 3 PWK38-gaske
Reply #38 - 10/17/22 at 18:00:38
 
Gold stars for everyone JOG! I got it running. Took it on a 3-mile ride in 38 degree almost freezing rain. I was just in 1st & 2nd revving it up to a 1/3 and back down. It sounds kinda loud and ticky, and there's a noticable "CHU CHU CHU" sounds that starts around 2nd and stops when I idle. It's most noticable over 30mph. Almost like I imagine the belt would make if it's hitting a guard? Or an exhaust leak? I don't know. I'm just glad it didn't blow up (yet).

Feels the same as before, but it's hard to tell at under 4k RPMs. Feels like almost slightly less power, but it could be I need to recheck my valve clearance and/or tuning. Or maybe the PO already had a cam and piston kit it in lol.
Back to top
 
 

2011 RYCA - 94mm flat top Wiseco, stage 3 cam, PWK38, open exhaust, UNI filter, 14/52 chain drive
  IP Logged
Yazman
Full Member
***
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 131
Ohio
Gender: male
Re: Pullin trigger-94mm hicomp stage 3 PWK38-gaske
Reply #39 - 10/19/22 at 04:58:40
 
I used SAE30: 1.5l Briggs and Stratton stuff, and 0.5l SAE30 cheap O'Reilly's stuff. Just read the back of the O'Reilly's oil and it has friction modifiers  :'( Only ran 3 miles, but damage may already be done to clutch.

Two valves were dead on (0.005in exhaust, 0.004in intake), and two were only one-thousandth off. I adjusted the throttle cable; maybe that'll help with the "feel"/response.

Still hoping when the smoke clears, I'll notice a performance increase. I can't see how I wouldn't. Maybe it just needs more tuning.
Back to top
 
 

2011 RYCA - 94mm flat top Wiseco, stage 3 cam, PWK38, open exhaust, UNI filter, 14/52 chain drive
  IP Logged
verslagen1
YaBB Moderator
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Where there's a
will, I want to be
in it.

Posts: 28780
L.A. California
Gender: male
Re: Pullin trigger-94mm hicomp stage 3 PWK38-gaske
Reply #40 - 10/19/22 at 07:49:02
 
I think 30wt is too thin and would stick to 40wt.
Back to top
 
 
WWW   IP Logged
Yazman
Full Member
***
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 131
Ohio
Gender: male
Re: Pullin trigger-94mm hicomp stage 3 PWK38-gaske
Reply #41 - 10/19/22 at 19:30:03
 
verslagen1 wrote on 10/19/22 at 07:49:02:
I think 30wt is too thin and would stick to 40wt.


I drained the 30W and put in T4 15w40. Seems to run fine. It doesn't "feel" much quicker or torqueier than before, but maybe after break-in it will?
Back to top
 
 

2011 RYCA - 94mm flat top Wiseco, stage 3 cam, PWK38, open exhaust, UNI filter, 14/52 chain drive
  IP Logged
verslagen1
YaBB Moderator
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Where there's a
will, I want to be
in it.

Posts: 28780
L.A. California
Gender: male
Re: Pullin trigger-94mm hicomp stage 3 PWK38-gaske
Reply #42 - 10/19/22 at 20:07:54
 
Yazman wrote on 10/19/22 at 19:30:03:
I drained the 30W and put in T4 15w40. Seems to run fine. It doesn't "feel" much quicker or torqueier than before, but maybe after break-in it will?


I once scared OldFeller on a group ride.  He has a habit of leading the group and pulling away far enough that he can pull off and hide from us till we pass, then he'd blow by us giggling all the way.  I was watching for this to happen and when he pulled up next to me I let the beast loose... he didn't pass me until later.

So can it be done? yes it can.  Will it feel like a wild untamed beast? No, but this donkey is ready to make some mules.

Stock the bike makes 33 hp, with good tune you'll get it up to 40+
It's not going to feel like 195 no matter what you do, sep maybe loose a 100 lbs.
Back to top
 
 
WWW   IP Logged
Yazman
Full Member
***
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 131
Ohio
Gender: male
Re: Pullin trigger-94mm hicomp stage 3 PWK38-gaske
Reply #43 - 10/20/22 at 08:17:13
 
verslagen1, thanks for the perspective; I think you're right. The "butt dyno," I imagine, might only detect a significant change (e.g., 20% increase in power), but will likely not register the 9.4% increase from the cam and piston (per DBM's data.

Below is a pic of a quickly made graph showing DBM's modifications in order, and the decrease in time (between a given gear and RPM) associated with each mod. I've edited out the head port and made some other changes to his data to closer replicate my bike's mods.

The long and short of it, is that going from stock to a pod filter, more open exhaust, and PWK38 gets you about a 50.2% increase in acceleration time (as measured by the sum of the 2nd, 3rd, 5th gear pulls between the various RPMs). Going from that to a cam and 94mm hi comp piston only gets you a 9.4% further increase in acceleration time.

In other words, cam and hi comp piston get you about a fifth of the performance increase that pod filter, exhaust, and bigger carb do. It's like an asymptotic exponential function (i.e. "diminishing returns").

Using DBM's dyno numbers, and doing more math, I estimate that I gained 0.6hp and 0.6tq (assuming that acceleration time and hp/tq are closely correlated). It makes sense I wouldn't register half a HP.
Back to top
 

IMG_20221020_105201766_1.jpg

2011 RYCA - 94mm flat top Wiseco, stage 3 cam, PWK38, open exhaust, UNI filter, 14/52 chain drive
  IP Logged
Yazman
Full Member
***
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 131
Ohio
Gender: male
Re: Pullin trigger-94mm hicomp stage 3 PWK38-gaske
Reply #44 - 10/21/22 at 14:34:29
 
Much better after rejet! It was good everywhere except WOT (I followed the break-in directions to the "T," and gave it a lengthy 15 miles before beating on it like it owed me money). I swapped the 170 & 50 for a 155 & 42. Still a little stumbling at WOT, so I'll probably go down to 140 on the main. I'm not sure why I didn't follow DBMs advice in the first place lol. I hope 140 isn't too lean though. I don't wanna blow this thing up!
Back to top
 
 

2011 RYCA - 94mm flat top Wiseco, stage 3 cam, PWK38, open exhaust, UNI filter, 14/52 chain drive
  IP Logged
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 
Send Topic Print


« Home

 
« Home
SuzukiSavage.com
05/18/24 at 00:26:18



General CategoryRubber Side Down! › Pullin trigger-94mm hicomp stage 3 PWK38-gaskets?


SuzukiSavage.com » Powered by YaBB 2.2!
YaBB © 2000-2007. All Rights Reserved.