WebsterMark wrote on 11/11/20 at 08:33:50:


Intelligent?   Sure.   Thoughtful?  Absolutely not- actively, malignantly, avoiding consideration, reflection.

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As ever, this is a choice- one you’ve met with steadfast rejection.   Perhaps you see relentless denial of the obvious as a way to saving face- but that path  is ultimately self impugning.  

These questions you’ve posed only have value when asked in good faith, answered by yourself after due reflection.   I sincerely wish you luck.

Mavigogun wrote on 11/11/20 at 10:13:29:


Shut the F up and don’t direct any comments to me again.

Intelligent, thoughtful, people can come up with different conclusions when they are given different facts/information.

So I am not an intelligent, thoughtful person?

Serow is saying the 'people' which includes you, given the right information can come to different conclusions that they currently hold if provided different i.e correct, information.

Are you thoughtful? Well let's test that by going back to your assertion that Alito of the SCOTUS Court, (although working on his own) made a ruling that you asserted was more important, and that you were not referring to the State Supreme courts.

OK well not only did Alito merely affirm what the State Supreme Ct said, but the order he made was already being done regarding the segregating of certain ballots that may be contested. So he in fact did nothing at all.

Now you may wonder how did this happen. And for the answer to that, which if you truly are an intelligent and thoughtful person, (and i see no reason why you cannot aspire to that) then I invite you to ponder what the actual lawyers who argued the case are themselves saying...

In one case, where the campaign pushed for late-arriving ballots in Pennsylvania to be segregated, the firm's lawyers said, "given the small number of late-arriving ballots involved in the litigation, and the fact that they already had been segregated, the main goal of the litigation seemed to be to erode public confidence in the election results."

By saying "given the small number of late arriving ballots" and ALSO that "they already had been segregated" means that 1. there's not enough to make a difference, and 2. they aren't even included in the published count.

So why are they doing this? Well, you yourself are the reason, people like you who refused to use their god given faculties. In other words the Trump campaign is hiring lawyers who themselves are complicit in trying to take advantage of your refusal to think for yourself.

In other words they are treating you with the contempt that they have trained you to treat the "other side" with.

These "election fraud" claims have nothing to do with election fraud, they are just a tool to use to trick you or people like you to give them more money with which to hire more lawyers to trick you better.

https://www.salon.com/2020/11/11/lawyers-at-firms-representing-trump-worry-su...

However these lawyers who don't give a fcuk about you, or the democracy that is so fragile, or Trump or the GOP, are now having second thoughts because their obvious malfeasance in bringing totally bogus cases to court may affect their own ability to attract quality clients and diminish their own brand.

And this is the Trump modus operandi, to divide the US into 'us' and 'them' and then to use that tribe mentality to shovel any sh!t down that they know you will digest without question, because the tribe becomes your personal identity.

These are not new psychological phenomenon. I invite you to search on google for The Robbers Cave experiment, a very famous and disturbing psychological experiment that elucidates this phenomenon.

The Robbers Cave:

It is not difficult to see the analogies to the current political climate. Webster, you're being played the same way that Putin and Kim and Erdogan and McConnell are playing Trump.

As the series of games progressed, the two groups became increasingly antagonistic. Initial good sportsmanship gave way gradually to name-calling, harassment, accusations of cheating, and cheating in retaliation. As the hostilities mounted, they spread to camp life outside of the games as well as in the games.

Even though the boys all came from the same background (white, Protestant, middle class) and had been divided into groups by a purely random procedure, they began to think of the boys in the other group as very different from themselves--as dirty cheaters who needed to be taught a lesson.

Serious fistfights broke out on several occasions. Raids were conducted on the cabin of the opposing group. Some boys carried socks with stones in them, to use as weapons "if necessary." One group pulled down and burned the other group's flag.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/freedom-learn/200912/new-look-the-cla...

Serowbot wrote on 11/11/20 at 11:53:19:


Not really- his intellectual dishonesty is far more disrespectful of readers than a few expletives to punctuate frustration.    I reckon we all would celebrate were Webster to offer vulgarities paired with genuine consideration.

@wm

When Pennsylvania goes it's all over. Here is the definitive statement from the Philadelphia City Commissioner (Republican)

There is no widespread electoral fraud, or as he said, 'any electoral fraud'.

You want 'undeniable proof' there was election fraud, this is where it comes from...

Just watch the first 90 seconds of this clip, this is what you're arguing against. It's simply insane.