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Title: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/20 at 10:28:14 No comment necessary. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Rockn on 11/07/20 at 10:38:47 Lol. Suddenly the fukc your feelings crowd has a lot of feelings. So much for owning the libs. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/07/20 at 11:37:20 Ah I see very clever and existential post from you WM. By simply posting without any words you ARE resisting, you are resisting honouring your bet to leave the forum. I told you that I'm not collecting, but you insist that you are an honourable person and that you will honour your bet. Unlike me, you say who would not honour the bet because you are omniscient. Then you resist your impulse to be honourable. That's what you get for making a sucker's bet. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by MnSpring on 11/07/20 at 12:46:41 687A6E6D7A7C7E1B0 wrote:
Trump wins, the avitor 'eds' leaves. Then come's back as another CLONE. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/20 at 14:21:25 372A262E2B312D202D24322E450 wrote:
Hey TT, how you doing? |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Mavigogun on 11/07/20 at 22:32:43 77657172656361040 wrote:
He has demonstrated no such impulse. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by zevenenergie on 11/08/20 at 02:28:45 596B6C7D7A6B7C436F7C650E0 wrote:
http://https://i.imgur.com/AIXrUBDl.jpg |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Serowbot on 11/08/20 at 06:40:21 Web should stay,... we need a Right-wing side to debate. Biden will be president for all Americans. The TT will be a forum for all Americans. Just don't get personal. Serow |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/08/20 at 07:38:13 https://newschecker.in/fact-check/1998-people... No profile or interview done by People Magazine includes these lines allegedly said by Donald Trump. ... No profile or interview by People Magazine includes these lines allegedly said by Donald Trump. This is yet another false claim amid US elections. ... 1998 People Magazine Quote Attributed To Trump Calling Republicans The Dumbest Voters Is ... |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/08/20 at 07:55:29 5F495E435B4E43582C0 wrote:
No, I made a deal. I’ll send $200 to the forum for the bet chickenboy TT wouldn’t agree too but Eegore stepped in and I’ll leave if Biden is confirmed when the Electors cast their votes or other such positive proof of victory. BUT.... as one of St Louis’s favorite sons is credited with saying, “It ain’t over til it’s over.” There are lawsuits filed. There are legitimate suspicions and they will be litigated. Biden is NOT the President elect. It took 37 days to work through the Bush/Gore fiasco so strap it. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/08/20 at 18:41:21 4F5043505B505B5047525C50350 wrote:
http://https://i.imgur.com/AIXrUBDl.jpg [/quote] Says it all. However it does appear that the quote is from an interview with Oprah, in 1988 and is not accurately portrayed in the image, that is fox news wasn't mentioned. However many people recall the original interview. Here's the reddit thread on this https://www.reddit.com/r/politicalfactchecking/comments/4nt6iw/donald_trump_republicans_are_dumb_why_did_this/ But the bottom line is that essentially it's what Trump obviously believes, as he is currently demonstrating. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/08/20 at 18:49:01 7563746971646972060 wrote:
But there is no debate. It's not possible to debate complete fabrications. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Eegore on 11/08/20 at 19:01:25 Wouldn't Trump calling Republicans "dumbest group of voters" make it into at least one discussion, campaign ad or interview prior to this? Why wait until his term is up to bring out this information? |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/09/20 at 05:18:54 Why wouldn’t the way Biden tried his best to destroy an African American’s nomination to the Supreme Court not be part of the conversation? Why were Biden’s past comments, which have been deemed blatantly racist by today’s standards, not part of the broad conversation? Virtually all of the mass news media is not functioning as news organizations but as advocates for one political party. That’s obvious. That are legitimate allegations of voting irregularities and Supreme Court has already ordered Pennsylvania to segregate ballots that arrived after Election Day which they counted. The Democratic media alleged widespread Russian collusion by Trump and chased that for three years despite no direct evidence and nothing proved. Are we suggesting that in a very close election where the Supreme Court has already issued orders, that we just forget about it? To be fair, There’s a 50/50 chance Trump will screw this up like he screws up half the things he involves himself in. The other half, he hits monster home runs that no one else could. I’ll take a .500 batting average any day. But if the vote continues to smell, I say Trump never concedes and holds a rally in DC on Harris’s Inauguration Day. Resist#2021 F@ck Biden. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Mavigogun on 11/09/20 at 06:41:38 Mark your calendars, on this we agree: Trump vacillates between incompetent and monstrous. In that, Trump accurately represents his electorate. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Mavigogun on 11/09/20 at 06:58:16 624240485542270 wrote:
This propaganda/smear piece first appeared in 2015, and has been discredited by one media outlet after another in the years since. It is only due to a culture of diligent journalism that I am able to investigate and report with reasonable confidence with less than 5 minutes searching with Google. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Serowbot on 11/09/20 at 07:03:58 Donate to the Trump legal fund... 60% goes to paying off his campaign debts across the country. He still owes from 2016. Tucson wants it's money back. Maybe the rest will pay his overdue golf course and hotel mortgages... His $350 million Deutsche Bank foreclosure too. Trump needs your charity. Pay off his $90 million tax evasion debt while you're at it. Hmmm,.. promise kept,.. he really did run the country like his businesses. :-? |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/09/20 at 07:40:34 4B47504F4149415348260 wrote:
This propaganda/smear piece first appeared in 2015, and has been discredited by one media outlet after another in the years since. It is only due to a culture of diligent journalism that I am able to investigate and report with reasonable confidence with less than 5 minutes searching with Google.[/quote] I pointed out it's BULLSHIT the other day. Odd how Eegore is always so quick to spot Bullshit and say it's BULLSHIT,, but Total fail on this one.. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Mavigogun on 11/09/20 at 12:55:33 3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 wrote:
It seems to me you’ve mistaken his meaning here- Eegore is clearly expressing doubt as to the legitimacy of the depiction. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Eegore on 11/09/20 at 14:39:32 "I pointed out it's BULLSHIT the other day. Odd how Eegore is always so quick to spot Bullshit and say it's BULLSHIT,, but Total fail on this one.." I don't have to. If it is anti-Trump you will investigate. If it is pro-Trump you are all the sudden "Too trusting" and it's someone else's fault. We have had this conversation twice already. Don't pretend I didn't already lay out the fact that you are not historically equally skeptical of information you post here. If I, as in Me, post something I research it, or clarify that I have not done so. Second I have never proclaimed that I read 100% of all posts. I have actually informed, multiple times, I do not. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/09/20 at 17:46:33 Back to the topic, leftist lied, cheated, stole and $hit on America to steal this election. Set aside the media withholding information on Biden and highlighting ridiculously wrong polls showing massive Democratic candidates leads to discourage voters, the fraud at the ballot was brazen. The absentee ballot fraud shamed any understanding of Orwellian behavior. Biden did not win this election, the Blue team, lead by “The Fourth Estate, stole it. Fxck that. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/09/20 at 18:03:38 So much whinging. We're going to be hearing 'you stole the election' without any evidence whatsoever, for the next four years. http://https://i.postimg.cc/ygp4w2yP/tenor.gif (https://postimg.cc/ygp4w2yP) |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/09/20 at 18:12:03 Here's the evidence from the The Four Seasons [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq5nHLjKj3Y[/media] Does Guiliani ever tire of embarrassing himself? http://https://i.postimg.cc/9fz0bCQT/Screen-Shot-2020-11-10-at-12-14-12-pm.jpg |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Rockn on 11/09/20 at 19:59:25 6F5D5A4B4C5D4A75594A53380 wrote:
This is amazing. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/09/20 at 22:58:08 It's laughable. All the Republicans are interested in is owning the Liberals. And while they had the levers of power they could and did whatever the fcuk they wanted. But no one gives a rat's at all this latest 'election fraud' fluff, because Trump can send his lapdog Barr to pull the levers of the DoJ, but the reason no one cares is because being a legal issue, it can only be acted on in the courts and there is no evidence. Everycase they've brought so far has been thrown out. The chances of any of this getting to the Supreme Court are zero. This is just all theatre for their idiot followers who, as Trump himself said, wouldn't care if he shot someone on 5th Avenue. It's probably just part of the Republicans doing the best they can to be asshats to screw up Biden at every turn. But now that Trump is gone, no one really cares. Or the rest of the world doesn't anyway. Here's a good piece on how long Barr has been an asshat for, which is basically his whole life. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE63HmOYGps[/media] |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by zevenenergie on 11/10/20 at 02:15:42 I do agree with WM when he said it's over when it's over. Politics is kind of the dirtiest game there is, and it never ends. And it is time we end it and get back on the bike and get some Joyful, inspiration. Because whoever wants to fight a monster, must be careful not to become a monster himself. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by NHLycan on 11/10/20 at 03:47:17 If there's a fruitful way to converse with people who believe 7 impossible things before breakfast, it's not clear to me. What is one to say to people who claim the moon is made of cheese? "Swiss or Cheddar?" This is a quasi-religious kind of madness. So it's not suspectable to conversation. They'll just harden their position until their convinced the whole world is against them. Normally, it doesn't matter if someone has crazy beliefs, but these ones will lead to violence. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/10/20 at 04:28:30 1D1B1F2A30323D530 wrote:
Businesses all over the country boarded up their stores, but didn’t paint MAGA on them, they painted BLM cause they knew where the violence would come from. Leftist are committing violent political acts every single day but you act as if they aren’t happening. What’s wrong with you? It’s telling none of you offer any solid evidence against any claims other than well, that’s what the people in charge told us so it must be true. And you double down with fears of violence when it’s happening right under your nose; the ultimate no gambling going on moment while you collect your winnings. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Eegore on 11/10/20 at 06:26:22 Webstermark, Before I continue any further conversation, are you leaving as you said you would, or are you staying for whatever reason? I don't want to be halfway through a conversation if you go. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/10/20 at 07:14:17 I’m leaving if the Electors vote for Biden which is around the middle of December right? If they vote for him at that point, he managed to steal the election and get away with it. If the lawsuits and challenges continue and this turns into another 30 or 40 day long ordeal like Bush/Gore and eventually some states change resulting in a Trump victory, I’ll stick around. So if the media/tech coup is successful, I’ll be gone in 30 or 40 days. If justice prevails and the vermin are denied, I’ll be around longer. So converse away. No conversation we’ve ever had last more than a couple days! |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Mavigogun on 11/10/20 at 07:24:16 7656545C4156330 wrote:
That can’t be sincere- you and I both know he doesn’t actually engage in conversation so much as periodically defecting onto otherwise considerate, honest discourse. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/10/20 at 08:05:48 That false. I’ve had too many back-and-forth honest exchanges of ideas than could be counted. Typically, my “opponent“ will change the topic or stop. For example, this morning I challenge someone to view the press conference from Trump about the Charlottesville lie. Will he? I’m not sure, but generally most people do not. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Serowbot on 11/10/20 at 09:16:00 6F5D5A4B4C5D4A75594A53380 wrote:
Breaking windows is violence... shooting, hanging, pepper spraying, or beating people can't hold a candle. Kyle Rittenhouse,... what kind of idiot hires an out of state 17 year old with an illegal firearm to guard his business?... ... and render first aid?... with bullets? Thank God he didn't break any windows... ::) |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/10/20 at 09:52:30 1107100D15000D16620 wrote:
Breaking windows is violence... shooting, hanging, pepper spraying, or beating people can't hold a candle. Kyle Rittenhouse,... what kind of idiot hires an out of state 17 year old with an illegal firearm to guard his business?... ... and render first aid?... with bullets? Thank God he didn't break any windows... ::) [/quote] Sounds like you’re challenging me to a left vs right violence walk-off! |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/10/20 at 09:55:34 The kid was attacked and scored a Kenosha-hat trick so he’s hall of fame material as far as I’m concerned. He won’t be convicted. But leftist are tearing up American cities every night so you bring up one instance to cover that?..... Again, businesses weren’t worried about the Kyle Rittenhouses of the world. They’re worried about BLM and antifa. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Rockn on 11/10/20 at 10:23:59 Celebrating the killing of "Lefties". Ah yes WM, a Trump loss has really let you show your true self. A pathetic and sad defense against facts with whataboutism will not be missed. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Mavigogun on 11/10/20 at 10:35:30 Serowbot, why do you bother? He either lacks the judgement or will for an “honest exchanges of ideas”- you know that, so why persist? He demonstrates zero capacity to learn, developed, or for contrition. For all intents and purposes, his performance here is identical to Trump’s. “I’m the least racist person you know”, or, “I don’t know anything about David Duke”- they go straight for the most over-the-top lie first, setting the precedence for all that follows. The impulse to ignore the big, obvious lies in pursuit of some other goal is folly- they’ve already made clear their deceitful intent, and your presence only lends credibility. He knows the Emperor’s New Clothes don’t exist, but will never, ever admit it- so why bother describing every obvious, rotund, corpulent bulge and birthmark? Webster will only report seeing crushed velvet and embroidery. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by NHLycan on 11/10/20 at 10:48:43 And here we have a perfect example of what you get when the poison of fear is getting pumped straight into the veins of the gullible. The motives for this kind of scumbaggery are pretty clear. You have your RT and ONN groups who are actively trying to destroy us and you have your Brietbarts and Fox who are just looking to grab as much cash as possible. Their just hyping it to further a distinct agenda. But both types know this election fraud stuff is nonsense. You know who doesn’t understand that? Rank-and-file Republicans. After they’ve been conned by a bunch of grifters into thinking Trump’s the last bulwark between America Beautiful and American Venezuela what’s left for them? If we have learned anything at all over the past decade, it’s that Republican voters do not understand this game; they take what they hear from their leaders literally. They heard that Barack Obama was a muslim, wasn’t born here and may not be a legitimate president. They heard that Obamacare was destroying freedom. They heard that immigrants were pouring over the border and stealing our jobs and murdering beautiful innocent white ladies. They heard that Hillary Clinton had committed myriad crimes, from BENGHAZI to compromising our precious national security with her careless, traitorous use of a private email server to eating children in a pizza shop. And now an ideology, Antifa, is coming to kill them. Republicans voters buy this slop. They say “holy nuts, this is all really, really bad, and we have to take steps that are commensurate with the problems our leaders are telling us exist!” They believed their leaders, and it drove them insane with paranoia and rage. When Republican elites – from elected politicians to talking heads to souless lawyers – tell them that the 2020 election was stolen from the orange clown, they believe it, and there’s no way this doesn’t lead to violence. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by zevenenergie on 11/10/20 at 11:44:07 I,m resisting. https://imgur.com/gallery/ZnPwGgX |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Eegore on 11/10/20 at 12:07:27 "That can’t be sincere- you and I both know he doesn’t actually engage in conversation so much as periodically defecting onto otherwise considerate, honest discourse." Actually the last time I asked a question Webstermark was one of two people who just answered like an adult and didn't try to deflect it into some other nonsense that had nothing to do with it. What I am wondering is what evidence exists, specifically what evidence is Webstermark using to come to the conclusion that fraud exists and Trump won. I don't see a lot of information out there that is verifiable at this time, and I don't for one care for the strategy of shot-gunning legal actions to see what will stick, and it appears to me that this is what is going on. How are you coming to the conclusion already that Trump won with an election this close in numbers? |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/10/20 at 13:21:43 I just saw a guy in Nevada who saw his wife who died 3 three years ago, voted in this election. There have been numerous affidavit filed by poll watchers, UPS employee, UPS postal service employee who reported what they were saw blatant violations. The one in Michigan said thousands of illegal ballots were submitted for Biden. Sure, these are allegations that need to be investigated. One lawyer says examination shows there were 450,000 ballots nationwide where only a single selection was made, Biden. Trump picked up I think 8 million more votes this time around and the house picked up seats and three state legislatures were flipped to Republicans yet he lost in those key battleground states by the slimmest of margins. Don’t you think that’s a little suspicious? |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/10/20 at 13:32:58 Bush Gore took 37 days to figure out. Go refuse to concede until, as he said, all the votes were counted. Given the excessive absentee votes and Pennsylvania’s ridiculous mail in vote policy, I think we can say Trump should not concede until all the legal votes are counted. Incidentally, Biden is in serious trouble with Pennsylvania. The case had gone to the supreme court twice before the election and the Supreme Court said no, you can’t run your election this way but they did it anyway. I don’t have a experience in matters at this high of a level with federal courts but from personal experience with judges, they certainly don’t like to be ignored or flat out have their orders refused. No one can logically deny that large scale absentee voting that require signature verification is easy pickings for fraud. And the massive mail-in voting also opens up possibilities for cheating. Would it be enough to swing the election? No one knows at this point, it’s just suspicious the Trump won so many more votes this time, the House added seats the Republicans, state legislators flipped, but in these key battle states that decided the election, things seem to go the other way. That’s more than a little suspicious and everybody needs to slow their role a little bit. There is no president elect at the moment. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Eegore on 11/10/20 at 13:37:29 "Don’t you think that’s a little suspicious?" I do. I also remember the same statements with Obama's first term. This is suspicious, but not so much that I would declare Trump a guaranteed victory over it. There isn't enough information, for me, to say Trump for sure won. I do not however find Sidney Powell's statement that ballots with only one Presidential vote is clear evidence of fraud. This is called undervoting, when a person only votes for a President, and it happens all the time. What I would like to see is how many Trump only ballots exist since there is no way I would believe every trump voter in the country did not undervote. Also I would like to know why, with that number, no official investigation is underway, if undervoting is not normal. Powell also claimed software was altering votes and that was already disproved, i see this as part of that shotgun blast of accusations. I also do not understand why all counting should stop on election day. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Mavigogun on 11/10/20 at 13:41:27 Suspicious? Only to an imbecile. As though a grand conspiracy engineered to steal the election would then waste the opportunity to take down-ballot votes or a larger margin This is the sort of intellectually dishonest nonsense he swims in. Webster will not be compelled to cough up evidence of significant, compelling, widespread fraud- because he doesn’t have it. All you’ll get is an endless vomiting up of hearsay, rumors, supposition, and unqualified claims. He doesn’t deal in truth, because he doesn’t care for truth- it doesn’t serve his needs. Case in point: “The case had gone to the supreme court twice before the election and the Supreme Court said no, you can’t run your election this way but they did it anyway.” In fact, the State Supreme Court did rule on the absentee ballots and length of counting- both times ruling in favor of the State’s plan as executed. The Pennsylvania Election Commission did not act contrary to any ruling- the claim is just bizarrely counter factual, and, sadly, typical of this broken witness and his fictitious narratives. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Rockn on 11/10/20 at 14:01:02 Trump wins = fair election Trump loses = rigged election This is the only logical answer and why the count should have been stopped in some states, and finished in others. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/10/20 at 14:01:14 2404060E1304610 wrote:
Stopping all counting on election day isn’t the issue. Counting ballots received after the election day is the issue. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/10/20 at 14:04:52 Case in point: “The case had gone to the supreme court twice before the election and the Supreme Court said no, you can’t run your election this way but they did it anyway.” In fact, the State Supreme Court did rule on the absentee ballots and length of counting- both times ruling in favor of the State’s plan as executed. The Pennsylvania Election Commission did not act contrary to any ruling- the claim is just bizarrely counter factual, and, sadly, typical of this broken witness. I’m talking The US Supreme Court. Judge Alito made a ruling on an emergency appeal. All I’m saying there’s far more to come in PA. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/10/20 at 14:08:32 @WM, I have been following the Pennsylvania court cases from the beginning and what happened was the Supreme Court took the general and correct stand that it is the State Supreme court who interprets election State law, and that they refused the appeal to the Supreme Court to disallow any votes marked by election day but received three days later to be discarded. However they did suggest that these ballots were segregated and left open the possibility that this issue might return. With that ruling the Penn election commission segregated any late ballots anyway. Then it came up again before Alito who reaffirmed the original decision and ordered the late ballots to be segregated. However this was a completely meaningless decision because as the Penn electoral commission said, they were already doing that in light of the first ruling anyway, so nothing changed and none of those votes were included in the official tally anyway. As for the other states, Wisconsin, Mich. Az, well they have different State rules and were unaffected. All the frivolous suits that have been brought before justices already have been immediately thrown out. This entire exercise is just for show, just for imbeciles and idiots. Hopefully WM you do not put yourself into that category. Do some research. However right now the DoJ is putting the US security at risk by refusing the duly elected incoming president to have access to the departments he needs to communicate with. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/10/20 at 14:50:15 I’m talking The US Supreme Court. Judge Alito made a ruling on an emergency appeal. All I’m saying there’s far more to come in PA What Alito ordered was already taking place, so it was irrelevant. All the court cases so far have failed for two reasons. 1. When the judge asked for evidence, none was forthcoming. and 2. When the judge asked, if he hypothetically granted their application would it change the result. The answer has always been 'No'. You need to read normal news sources in addition to your wild conspiracy news sources and then use your own intelligence and reasoning to work out who to believe. If you don't do that then you are just being treated by the GOP as a gullible fool, and you need to ask yourself is that how you want to be treated. Maybe you simply cannot work it out. If that is the case then I genuinely feel sorry for you and also your country. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/10/20 at 18:14:58 This is why Judges throw out claims where the only "evidence" is heresy. Twitter claims are not legal evidence. Statement from Senator Graham: “It is imperative that all credible allegations of voting irregularities and misconduct be investigated to ensure the integrity of the 2020 elections. The presidential election remains close in multiple states, and as Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, all credible allegations of voting irregularities and misconduct will be taken seriously. I will not allow credible allegations of voting irregularities or misconduct to be swept under the rug. I will be calling on the Department of Justice to investigate these claims. I’ll also be in contact with the Postmaster General, requesting he to look into these allegations, ones that may follow, and help secure the testimony of Mr. Hopkins. Mr. Hopkins is entitled to all whistleblower protections, and I will ensure they extend to other postal workers who may come forward with claims of irregulates, misconduct, fraud, etc. Then... Postal worker admits fabricating allegations of ballot tampering, reports say Republicans had used case as evidence of ballot tampering https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/us-election-postal-claims-fraud-ballot-votes-pennsylvania-b1720810.html |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Mavigogun on 11/10/20 at 20:29:15 ...and the blind woman who said her absentee ballot was cast by someone else declined to challenge the ballot after her signature was found to match. https://www.8newsnow.com/i-team/i-team-clark-county-registrar-addresses-blind-womans-voter-fraud-allegations/ A postal worker, an old blind voter, Webster’s claim of a lawless election commission all have something in common: they fall apart under scrutiny. I reckon they all felt justified- so self assured that their suspicious were correct, by lying they were “getting the truth out”. Righteous fraud. From there it is a short trip to justifying anything by supposing the other side must be equally unethical. In a world where there are no facts, only “fake news”, unwelcome reporting discounted as partisan synthesis of “The Media”, what is one more lie, right? |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/10/20 at 20:54:35 @Mavigogun, It's one thing for the fox news crazies to carry on with this nonsense. But for the entire GOP (amost) to carry on with this patent bs, and actually deny Biden his few due levers of the President elect is an egregious display on how anti democratic they really are. Even to the point of weakening the security of the US. It must surely be a frightening prospect for the small majority of halfway patriotic Americans to know how many of their fellow citizens would piss on your formerly much admired if flawed democracy. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Mavigogun on 11/10/20 at 21:36:01 485A4E4D5A5C5E3B0 wrote:
To wit, Webster long ago made clear his purpose in elevating Trump was his hope it would lead to an armed civil war. This is the depravity we are in the grips of: just as with some of the religious gleefully hoping for the apocalypse in their lifetimes- ready and willing to help steward in “the end times” -there are so many aging, ineffectual malcontents wanting to see society bend or break to their will before they die. They don’t know how to build, and for a poverty of imagination, only see recourse in destruction. They are this Republic’s social suicide bombers. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Eegore on 11/10/20 at 22:16:47 "Who disproved it? Where is that info that this was disproved?" Well first off, where is the information that Dominion did anything wrong besides rumors and Twitter posts? Dominion voting machines have tabulations that are then verified by two Republican US citizens and two Democrat US citizens. For this tabulation to be "proven false" there would need to be 4 US citizens assigned as verification personnel making statements about any issues. Where are the human verifying staff? Why aren't they part of this "proof"? There are only Twitter accounts, and a Q-anon site that presented a screenshot from a Clinton website as "verifiable fact" that Clinton is a partial owner of Dominion. Anyone that can read will know by looking at the screenshot that none of that is true. They also leave out, conveniently, that Dominion donated to Mitch McConnell as well as Clinton. They also indicate Dominion has a past Pelosi lobbyist working for them as "proof" of fraudulent counting. Really? That's "proof"? Interesting as they left out that Jared Thomas, a Republican lobbyist who was once chief of staff for Brian Kemp also lobbied for Dominion. None of that is proof. Most of the information about Dominion is blatant lies and they just hope people listen to Twitter instead of reading and thinking for themselves. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/20 at 04:13:00 Eegore, you’re taking on an Eau persona. I said there suspicions that need to be investigated. And I don’t recall saying anything about that software, did I? 450k ballots cast for only Biden and no one else I think is an issue. Show me that’s true and let’s say there’s 400k just like it cast for Trump and I’d say ok fine, that’s a nonissue. Show me practically none for Trump and I’d want to know more. Many said with the vote by mail and expanded absentee ballots, this would happen and it did. People cheat, people steal. Make it easier, and they’ll do more. The media withheld information on Biden’s business dealings with his brother and son’s business. That’s a fact. You think it’s unreasonable to expect they’ll undersell, under report and quell news about voting irregularities? Of course they will. Lineman block to protect their quarterback. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Mavigogun on 11/11/20 at 04:45:43 Misrepresent, misunderstand, lie- and when called out on each, retreat to unprovable supposition sprinkled with more easily demonstrated lies- like this “450k ballots cast for only Biden” fiction. Historically, absentee voters tend to be majority Democrat. In the lead up to this election, Trump perpetrated an active campaign to denigrate absentee ballots- leading his supporters to significantly favor in person voting. Despite that, there was no batch of hundreds of thousands of ballots reported to be all marked for Biden- absentee, or cast in person. Folks who actually followed reports from counties as they arrived already know this. We will never see a credible reference supporting this latest fiction- by now, part of an all too familiar pattern of failure from Webster, post after post. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Serowbot on 11/11/20 at 07:26:22 Intelligent, thoughtful, people can come up with different conclusions when they are given different Anything Tucker Carlson, Hannity, Trump, or his lawyers say should be flushed down the toilet. Judge Rules Tucker Carlson Is Not a Credible Source of News https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/judge-rules-fox-news-tucker-carlson-not-source-of-news-defamation-suit-mcdougal-trump.html Mr. Carlson himself aims to “challenge political correctness and media bias.” This “general tenor” of the show should then inform a viewer that he is not “stating actual facts” about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in “exaggeration” and “non-literal commentary.” … Given Mr. Carlson’s reputation, any reasonable viewer ‘arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism’ … |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/20 at 08:33:50 Intelligent, thoughtful, people can come up with different conclusions when they are given different facts/information. So I am not an intelligent, thoughtful person? I’m incapable of discerning the variables within information presented to determine the probability of accuracy? But you are and I am not? What evidence do you have that supports that? |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Serowbot on 11/11/20 at 08:35:33 I can't imagine how you could interpret my comment to mean that. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/20 at 08:59:24 You’ve got to be a Dodgeball champion in the real world.... |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Serowbot on 11/11/20 at 09:02:00 You've got to be the kid that always ran into the ball |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Mavigogun on 11/11/20 at 10:13:29 5A686F7E79687F406C7F660D0 wrote:
Intelligent? Sure. Thoughtful? Absolutely not- actively, malignantly, avoiding consideration, reflection. Quote:
As ever, this is a choice- one you’ve met with steadfast rejection. Perhaps you see relentless denial of the obvious as a way to saving face- but that path is ultimately self impugning. These questions you’ve posed only have value when asked in good faith, answered by yourself after due reflection. I sincerely wish you luck. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/20 at 10:32:19 Only so I could be closer when I caught it and smashed it back in your face! OK enough with a dodgeball analogy. Point is, I’ve come along way in this life from absolute poverty, no parents to speak of, and no college education. I think I’m able to discern reality from fiction fairly well. i never said Trump was going to win in a landslide, I said it was going to be close. And it is close. And no I don’t believe this election went off without fraud. There’s absolute evidence of that occurring. Was it enough to flip Pennsylvania Nevada Arizona Wisconsin or Michigan to the other side? I’d say those odds are less than 50-50 based on what I know right now. Georgia just announced they’re doing a full recount from start to finish. What happens when Pennsylvania does that? What happens if the information from Pennsylvania shows the rejection of absentee ballots was minuscule compared to what it was historically? That changes things doesn’t it? |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/20 at 10:34:33 737F68777971796B701E0 wrote:
Intelligent? Sure. Thoughtful? Absolutely not- actively, malignantly, avoiding consideration, reflection. Quote:
As ever, this is a choice- one you’ve met with steadfast rejection. This thread numbers among countless others mapping out that choice, that failure of integrity. Our entire community suffers for that choice. I can only imagine you see yourself as irredeemable, the only refuge to save face within relentless denial of the obvious- but that’s not true: you have a choice. Painful, difficult- and mature. I sincerely wish you luck. [/quote] Shut the F up and don’t direct any comments to me again. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Mavigogun on 11/11/20 at 11:00:44 Add that to the list of lies: your standing promise to never read my posts, or respond to them, preferring the prison of your own safe bubble. Whether you choose now to honor that promise- or the promise to leave this site -is up to you, of course. My choices, however, like all those votes for Biden, are not yours to dictate. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/11/20 at 11:49:40 Intelligent, thoughtful, people can come up with different conclusions when they are given different facts/information. So I am not an intelligent, thoughtful person? Serow is saying the 'people' which includes you, given the right information can come to different conclusions that they currently hold if provided different i.e correct, information. Are you thoughtful? Well let's test that by going back to your assertion that Alito of the SCOTUS Court, (although working on his own) made a ruling that you asserted was more important, and that you were not referring to the State Supreme courts. OK well not only did Alito merely affirm what the State Supreme Ct said, but the order he made was already being done regarding the segregating of certain ballots that may be contested. So he in fact did nothing at all. Now you may wonder how did this happen. And for the answer to that, which if you truly are an intelligent and thoughtful person, (and i see no reason why you cannot aspire to that) then I invite you to ponder what the actual lawyers who argued the case are themselves saying... In one case, where the campaign pushed for late-arriving ballots in Pennsylvania to be segregated, the firm's lawyers said, "given the small number of late-arriving ballots involved in the litigation, and the fact that they already had been segregated, the main goal of the litigation seemed to be to erode public confidence in the election results." By saying "given the small number of late arriving ballots" and ALSO that "they already had been segregated" means that 1. there's not enough to make a difference, and 2. they aren't even included in the published count. So why are they doing this? Well, you yourself are the reason, people like you who refused to use their god given faculties. In other words the Trump campaign is hiring lawyers who themselves are complicit in trying to take advantage of your refusal to think for yourself. In other words they are treating you with the contempt that they have trained you to treat the "other side" with. These "election fraud" claims have nothing to do with election fraud, they are just a tool to use to trick you or people like you to give them more money with which to hire more lawyers to trick you better. https://www.salon.com/2020/11/11/lawyers-at-firms-representing-trump-worry-suits-lack-evidence-may-undermine-election-report/ However these lawyers who don't give a fcuk about you, or the democracy that is so fragile, or Trump or the GOP, are now having second thoughts because their obvious malfeasance in bringing totally bogus cases to court may affect their own ability to attract quality clients and diminish their own brand. And this is the Trump modus operandi, to divide the US into 'us' and 'them' and then to use that tribe mentality to shovel any sh!t down that they know you will digest without question, because the tribe becomes your personal identity. These are not new psychological phenomenon. I invite you to search on google for The Robbers Cave experiment, a very famous and disturbing psychological experiment that elucidates this phenomenon. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Serowbot on 11/11/20 at 11:53:19 704245545342556A46554C270 wrote:
Harsh... ::) |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/11/20 at 12:04:11 The Robbers Cave: It is not difficult to see the analogies to the current political climate. Webster, you're being played the same way that Putin and Kim and Erdogan and McConnell are playing Trump. As the series of games progressed, the two groups became increasingly antagonistic. Initial good sportsmanship gave way gradually to name-calling, harassment, accusations of cheating, and cheating in retaliation. As the hostilities mounted, they spread to camp life outside of the games as well as in the games. Even though the boys all came from the same background (white, Protestant, middle class) and had been divided into groups by a purely random procedure, they began to think of the boys in the other group as very different from themselves--as dirty cheaters who needed to be taught a lesson. Serious fistfights broke out on several occasions. Raids were conducted on the cabin of the opposing group. Some boys carried socks with stones in them, to use as weapons "if necessary." One group pulled down and burned the other group's flag. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/freedom-learn/200912/new-look-the-classic-robbers-cave-experiment |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Eegore on 11/11/20 at 12:07:55 "Eegore, you’re taking on an Eau persona. I said there suspicions that need to be investigated. And I don’t recall saying anything about that software, did I?" You did in response to my example that it is part of what I consider a shotgun approach to litigation by Powell. I was answering your question: "Who disproved it? Where is that info that this was disproved? If someone in your company in accounting was accused of stealing money that cost you directly on your paycheck and someone else in accounting said no that’s been disapproved, would you believe it or would you want to see actual written evidence that it was investigated thoroughly?" My point is the initial information source was so poor that it didn't even take thorough scrutiny, because the allegation is already known to be false from multiple sources over multiple years. When I ask "where did the information come from"" I do not mean from you, I mean from what source. Q-anon posting an image they hope people won't read or investigate, and some Twitter postings. This is shotgunning. It reminds me of a murder case I attended (supporting a friend who's family was killed) and the defense was able to bring up Alternate Suspects. So during the initial hearing they started bringing up names and crimes of individuals that may have potentially committed the murder. After about 2 hours and 44 or 45 names the judge stopped the Defense and asked how many more and the Defense said 129 more. So they had pulled all people within 20 miles of the murder scene that had committed a crime in the past 5 or so years. One guy stole a side of beef from Safeway. The judge had to rule that they have to provide a direct nexus to the crime as it is was an obvious attempt to confuse the jury and bloat the trial information. Powell is shotgunning litigation. This is not the sign, to me, of a group with strong evidence. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Mavigogun on 11/11/20 at 12:16:19 7D6B7C61796C617A0E0 wrote:
Not really- his intellectual dishonesty is far more disrespectful of readers than a few expletives to punctuate frustration. I reckon we all would celebrate were Webster to offer vulgarities paired with genuine consideration. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/20 at 13:17:51 022220283522470 wrote:
She’s not litigating anything at this point. There is no jury other than the jury of public opinion. Early on in any investigation, isn’t ’shot gunning’ the equivalent of throwing spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks? Maybe somebody out there just had an “Oh $hit, they’re on to me” moment. And to say something’s known to be false today because it was known to be false before is a statement, I thing upon reflection, you’d take back. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/11/20 at 14:38:35 @wm When Pennsylvania goes it's all over. Here is the definitive statement from the Philadelphia City Commissioner (Republican) There is no widespread electoral fraud, or as he said, 'any electoral fraud'. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBaMbQMeEs[/media] |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Eegore on 11/11/20 at 15:24:08 "And to say something’s known to be false today because it was known to be false before is a statement, I thing upon reflection, you’d take back." No. I am saying that the evidence presented today is an image of something proven false multiple times. No matter how many times one brings that same image up, it will still be an image depicting something false. That's like providing an image of my obituary and saying I am dead. It will eventually be correct, but it's a lie every time it's posted prior to my death, an the part saying I died in 2010 will always be false. Now if it were a new image or information about voting software I'd be ok with it. But we are talking about old information, that is still false being presented as "undeniable proof" The Dominion claims of fraud, that Powell uses as reference are very selective, old and proven false, or simply wrong. If Powell has something new I'd be fine with it, but that's not the case here. That's what I am trying to say: Nothing current regarding Dominion exists in Powell's presentation. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/11/20 at 15:29:50 You want 'undeniable proof' there was election fraud, this is where it comes from... Just watch the first 90 seconds of this clip, this is what you're arguing against. It's simply insane. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP0a9EocVBo[/media] |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/20 at 18:54:32 48686A627F680D0 wrote:
Speaking of obituaries, I just saw a list of 20 names of dead people who voted in Georgia last week, but there’s nothing to see.....everything is on the up and up. There’s no gambling goin* on in this casino. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Eegore on 11/11/20 at 21:18:16 "Speaking of obituaries, I just saw a list of 20 names of dead people who voted in Georgia last week, but there’s nothing to see.....everything is on the up and up. There’s no gambling goin* on in this casino." There are at least that many in CO as well. This has happened in past elections, the issue is if it's enough to matter. There is a percentage of fraud, I am not debating that as I have seen it before. The issue, for me, is how many allegations exist at this time that are shot down with very basic research and the reply is "How do you know it's debunked? Ya gotta take it to court." Not true. If the evidence is exclusively a Twitter message gone viral, that was proven false multiple times before, that doesn't need to go to court. It was a lie all along, public opinion or not. The problem in most cases is people won't offer a clear response to what they will consider a Trump loss. If there is doubt of any kind they will say he won, and that's convenient as "doubt" or "smell" isn't a definitive response. When I ask what will they accept as a margin of loss they just ramble on about mainstream media, Biden, Obama, Clinton, the other Clinton, CNN, etc. etc. It's like wagering on a football game with someone that won't accept a loss because the Officials are always unfair. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/11/20 at 22:31:00 Trump needs these suckers to pay his bills, one final con before he leaves. The grifter in chief. As Trump said, he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and it wouldn't matter to these people. He can laugh at them to their faces, as he did when he said in Erie, he wouldn't come there but basically he has to. And they still lap it up, and put their lives at risk. https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/trump-jokes-he-didn-t-plan-on-campaigning-in-erie-pa-94285381596 There's a sucker born every minute and Trump knows there's plenty more where that came from. Hopefully the DoJ will do it's job. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/11/20 at 23:46:55 As Seth Meyers points out, this is nothing new, this is the Republican modus operandi, this is what they do. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoPA3unjQgA[/media] And Cuomo rolls the tape when Hilary lost... she conceded the next day in spite of the margins being slimmer. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pSmwq_13uE[/media] |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/12/20 at 04:52:20 4060626A7760050 wrote:
Eegore, Adam Schiff is the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee spoke for months he had ABSOLUTE PROOF, evidence there was collusion from the Trump campaign with the Russia government that not only jeopardized national security, but tainted the 2016 election. Many main stream news outlets reported this as fact. A few said obvious facts refute those claims. The majority did not say this has been debunked. In fact, they doubled down with more claims. In the end, after 3 years, the final report showed no evidence anything occurred and ended with what was essentially a NY Times editorial page; “Orangeman Bad”” Sure, people cheat and cast ballots for dead people every year. This year, some states mailed ballots to every registered voter and when these were returned, signatures weren’t compared to what’s on the file. The election fraud this year is unprecedented. And it was likely planned by higher ups as opposed to a few individual activists. Don’t go along with the crowd and wave things off with the “It’s been debunked” because it hasn’t. There is no President elect. There may be, there probably will be, but there’s a realistic chance there isn’t. People cheat, people steal. And when states presented a far easier path than usual, it’s naive to think it wasn’t acted on. Democratic leadership knew the polls were not right. They knew they were going to lose seats and state legislators and they did. Are you telling me people who have quest for power as all politicians do, wouldn’t exploit this unique election opportunity? Hardly. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Mavigogun on 11/12/20 at 06:08:36 0D3F38292E3F28173B28315A0 wrote:
This is part and parcel of Webster’s illness- start with pure fiction from his imagination, proclaim it fact, then speculate on the implications of his delusion. People cheat, people steal. As ever, Webster presumes everyone suffers from his ethical challenges, projects the moral failures of his ilk on to everybody else. No, Webster, not everyone worked to radically Gerrymand, sabotage the Census, close massive numbers of polling places, suppress voter participation, purge legitimate voters from the rolls, elevate White Supremacists, and encourage insurrection- that was your team. Again, a reminder: Webster is as sociopath, boasting here that his vote for Trump was in hopes of spurring an armed Civil War. He betrays his country and own intellect with equal lack of good faith. Like a termite, his motives undermine, wishes for and promotes rot. He demonstrates no capacity.to self reflect on his notions of universal corrupting self interest. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by MnSpring on 11/12/20 at 08:21:18 4452455840555843370 wrote:
OK your opinion. Mine is: Anything Biden/Harris/etc, or their lawyers say, SHOULD, be flushed down the TOILET ! |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Serowbot on 11/12/20 at 08:27:53 526067767160774864776E050 wrote:
Ignore the facts... :-? Senate Intelligence Committee releases final report on 2016 Russian interference https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf COMMITTEE SENSITIVE -RUSSIA INVESTIGATION ONLY I. (U) FINDINGS (U) The Committee found that the Russian government engaged in an aggressive, multi-faceted effort to influence, or attempt to influence, the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. Parts of this effort are outlined in the Committee's earlier volumes on election security, social media, the Obama Administration's response to the threat, and the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA). |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by MnSpring on 11/12/20 at 08:28:00 6965726D636B63716A040 wrote:
Na, that is just the UL, DFI, FDS, Socialists that do that ! |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Serowbot on 11/12/20 at 08:30:39 6744795A5843444D2A0 wrote:
OK your opinion. Mine is: Anything Biden/Harris/etc, or their lawyers say, SHOULD, be flushed down the TOILET ! [/quote] Not my opinion,... the courts opinion, and Fox News opinion. They argued in court that no reasonable viewer should take anything Tucker says as fact. The two are not equatable. :-? |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by MnSpring on 11/12/20 at 08:36:47 767A6D727C747C6E751B0 wrote:
What is this Illness you speak of ? |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Mavigogun on 11/12/20 at 09:01:36 5675486B6972757C1B0 wrote:
Well documented and described on these pages, the label you choose to apply is of no consiquence without a good faith regard of those symptoms. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/12/20 at 09:38:02 6274637E66737E65110 wrote:
Ignore the facts... :-? Senate Intelligence Committee releases final report on 2016 Russian interference https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf COMMITTEE SENSITIVE -RUSSIA INVESTIGATION ONLY I. (U) FINDINGS (U) The Committee found that the Russian government engaged in an aggressive, multi-faceted effort to influence, or attempt to influence, the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. Parts of this effort are outlined in the Committee's earlier volumes on election security, social media, the Obama Administration's response to the threat, and the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA). [/quote] You either missed the point are you purposely avoided it. The allegation was Trump was actively working with the Russian government which was never proven in fact all evidence pointed otherwise. All of you leftist on here are regularly suspicious of all types of information released but all of a sudden now you just accept everything you’re told. You refuse to believe evidence that showed Trump had no involvement with Russia so you hung your hopes on a three year long investigation. On the Kavanaugh confirmation, you believed anything you read regardless of how ridiculous it was. And I’m sure you still probably believe some of it was true. Despite evidence to the contrary. Now you want me to just dismiss the possibility of voter fraud in an environment that was ripe for cheating. Nothing to see here folks, no need to investigate, no need to look any closer, just except it. F that. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Eegore on 11/12/20 at 09:44:01 "The election fraud this year is unprecedented. And it was likely planned by higher ups as opposed to a few individual activists. Don’t go along with the crowd and wave things off with the “It’s been debunked” because it hasn’t." Yes it has. The specific part I am talking about regarding Clinton having ownership of Dominion software as "undeniable truth" has been debunked, multiple times over multiple years. Just because it went up on Twitter, again, and Powell mentioned it doesn't not mean it needs to be investigated again. It has been debunked. Public opinion won't change that. If you owned a company and for 5 years you have seen false information about a conflict in interest due to a competing investor that you have known is false for years, would you investigate it every time the exact, identical, exactly the same with a 0% change in evidence was presented? If you got an email twice a year with the same false information would you say it's not debunked and investigate it over and over? |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by verslagen1 on 11/12/20 at 10:26:43 495F48554D58554E3A0 wrote:
Ignore the facts... :-? Senate Intelligence Committee releases final report on 2016 Russian interference https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf COMMITTEE SENSITIVE -RUSSIA INVESTIGATION ONLY I. (U) FINDINGS (U) The Committee found that the Russian government engaged in an aggressive, multi-faceted effort to influence, or attempt to influence, the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. Parts of this effort are outlined in the Committee's earlier volumes on election security, social media, the Obama Administration's response to the threat, and the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA). [/quote] And had what to say about collusion? |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/12/20 at 10:30:29 It said pretty much everything we told you was true the past three years wasn’t. And now I’m told “Yea, but this time we mean it.” |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/12/20 at 10:36:18 6040424A5740250 wrote:
Like I said, I didn’t say anything about the software. I said hundreds of thousands of ballots cast where the only item marked on the ballot was for Biden. That’s suspicious. I said in a nationwide election where the Republicans cleaned up, and Trump got 8 million more votes than he got last time, he lost in those very critical battleground states by the slimmest of margins. In an election where some states mailed out ballots to everyone and then accepted them without even comparing signatures to what’s on file at the register is suspicious. It smells and needs to be investigated quickly with cameras following every single step of the way. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Mavigogun on 11/12/20 at 12:09:24 So, this is where I’ll bow out again. After the election, I thought I’d check in here to take the temperature of the most debased of Trump’s... base. (Humm... “Trump’s Base” would be his .... rump. “Rumpers”? “Rump-buddies”? What do you call yourselves? Not important- I’m happy to use whatever word you identify yourselves with. “Confederates”- is that it? I’m close, right?) My expectations were met- which, paradoxically, was also a sickening disappointment. But it hasn’t all been an excrement show- these bad faith few were more than outnumbered by some really considerate, reflective, thoughtful people, feeding the swine a steady diet of pearls. I don’t have the fortitude for that Sisyphean task, or foresee a constructive product, so exit, stage left- after offering this prognostication: Heedless of all evidence to the contrary, Webster will declare the election stolen- and his promise to flush himself from this place void. As ever, his word will prove a broken bond. Devout follower of the Pied Piper of Hate, he will emulate the loser in clown make up, refusing to go. For my part, there’s a local food bank that would be better use of my time. Yours too, no doubt. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/12/20 at 12:35:30 2E22352A242C24362D430 wrote:
Nicely and poetically put. I too feel my time is done. I'm sure that I will check in from time to time though as I do for the Trump twitter feed. I think it's like car crash syndrome. Also I'm curious as to exactly how WM will justify weaselling out of his bet that no one is holding him to but he has repeated so many times that he will honour because er ... he's an honourable kinda guy. We should give our thanks to the donald over these past four years because although he didn't turn the GOP into the craven sycophantic nauseating brown nosing ruthlessly anti democratic racist anachronistic puerile ugly hypocrites that they are, he did force them out into the open and now the demarcation lines and fractures that is America today are there for all to see illuminated with an horrific bright light. America is a persistent danger to the world and their calling themselves the 'world's police' is an insult to the many Americans before them who have given their lives because they genuinely believed in an America that if it ever really was is now gone forever. You can see where Trump is going now, his current media whoring is not just to line his own coffers but his latest attempts to now loot the carcass of Fox News for his own goals of breeding more compliant fools so he can head up his own network of right wing nut jobs because he can see that is where the easy money is. But from my point of view, I'm just glad that the complete fcukwitery of trump is not going to be rammed down my throat day after day as the media grapple with how to deal with it. Next stop on the show is the Georgia Senate races. This is certainly as big as actually getting rid of Trump, if Biden cannot take that then say goodbye to America as we knew it because that will mean that their supple subjects will be forever nurtured at the teat of their vileness and from there it can only go downhill because it's only the people who can stop it. And it won't happen because racism runs deep in her veins. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by NHLycan on 11/12/20 at 12:38:00 No determination of collusion was made by SC Mueller. He did identify multiple instances of obstruction of justice by Trump and his circle. It's hard to imagine a good motive for engaging in obstruction of an investigation into foreign interference. So no, collusion was not determined to have happened. Only obstruction of justice for which a sitting president may not be prosecuted. It's a bit like traveling to a non extradition country after a murder, no? |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/12/20 at 13:08:14 7A7C784D57555A340 wrote:
No, he did not identify obstruction of justice. He is not a jury. That’s a charge, an allegation that requires adjudication by a court of law before pronounced as a fact. That requires official investigation by the appropriate office which is coincidentally what I’m suggesting we do in some of these states with questionable polling results. Muellers obstruction of justice opinion is just that, it’s an opinion. And one that many would argue, as I said, could have come straight out the New York Times editorial page. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Eegore on 11/12/20 at 13:09:33 "Like I said, I didn’t say anything about the software. I said hundreds of thousands of ballots cast where the only item marked on the ballot was for Biden. That’s suspicious." Yes you did. You did not bring it up, but you segmented the post isolating the portion about software I brought up and typed a reply highlighted in red. You very specifically asked about the software. Me - "Powell also claimed software was altering votes and that was already disproved, i see this as part of that shotgun blast of accusations." You - "Who disproved it? Where is that info that this was disproved? If someone in your company in accounting was accused of stealing money that cost you directly on your paycheck and someone else in accounting said no that’s been disapproved, would you believe it or would you want to see actual written evidence that it was investigated thoroughly?" So I answered your question about the software. None of the alleged "proof" is any different than the multiple incidents prior that have been proven false. So you go back to "Don’t go along with the crowd and wave things off with the “It’s been debunked” because it hasn’t." The part about the software has. I was utilizing the "debunked" verbiage about the software, when I was answering your question about the software and that alone. I do not think that needs to be investigated. I do think other investigations should be done as you described. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/12/20 at 14:31:43 7A7C784D57555A340 wrote:
He was not judge jury and executioner. He provided his opinion on what could be adjudicated to determine obstruction of justice. Just because someone Who is essentially an investigator says it’s obstruction of justice doesn’t mean it is. I don’t remember everything he claimed but by one of them was firing the FBI director. Which in retrospect the FBI directors had been proven to be a liar and incompetent so he should’ve been fired. To say that was proof of obstruction is an opinion it’s not a fact. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/12/20 at 14:33:59 7050525A4750350 wrote:
OK. I think we’re done with this part and we can move along. I see something big just happened in Pennsylvania but I’m in the middle of something at work and can’t dig into it. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/12/20 at 23:09:31 The "Dominion" thing is just fringe bs... And instead of conducting discreet requests for recounts, Mr. Trump has made a series of spurious claims, seizing on conspiracies fanned on the internet. The latest was on Thursday, when he falsely claimed on Twitter that Dominion voting machines switched hundreds of thousands of his votes to Mr. Biden, citing a report he had seen on the fringe network OANN, something even his supporters called ridiculous and a federal agency overseeing cybersecurity disavowed in a statement. Advisers said his efforts were in keeping with one of his favorite pastimes: creating a controversy and watching to see how it plays out. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/12/us/politics/trump-future.html This is the difference between fringe nut job allegations and when it gets to court... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/11/trump-lawyers-suffer-embarrassing-rebukes-judges-over-voter-fraud-claims STEPHENS: So I want to make sure I understand you. The affiant is not the person who had knowledge of this. Is that correct? HEARNE: The affiant had direct firsthand knowledge of the communication with the elections inspector and the document they provided them. STEPHENS: Okay, which is generally known as hearsay, right? HEARNE: I would not think that’s hearsay, Your Honor. That’s firsthand personal knowledge by the affiant of what she physically observed. And we included an exhibit which is a physical copy of the note that she was provided. The two later returned to the point, after Stephens reviewed the note, and Stephens echoed Judge Diamond’s exasperation: STEPHENS: I’m still trying to understand why this isn’t hearsay. HEARNE: Well, it’s, it, I – STEPHENS: I absolutely understand what the affiant says she heard someone say to her. But the truth of the matter … that you’re going for was that there was an illegal act occurring. Because other than that I don’t know what its relevancy is. HEARNE: Right. I would say, Your Honor, in terms of the hearsay point, this is a firsthand factual statement made by Ms. Connarn, and she has made that statement based on her own firsthand physical evidence and knowledge -- STEPHENS: “I heard somebody else say something.” Tell me why that’s not hearsay. Come on, now. HEARNE: Well it’s a firsthand statement of her physical – STEPHENS: It’s an out-of-court statement offered where the truth of the matter is asserted, right? |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/12/20 at 23:14:20 https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/12/donald-trump/trumps-tweet-about-27-million-deleted-votes-basele/ Donald Trump’s tweet cites a report from One America News, a pro-Trump television network. That report relies on an “unaudited analysis” that appears to have originated in a thread on a website called TheDonald.win. That thread cited Edison Research data as its source. But Edison Research, which helps provide exit polling data, told us it has found no evidence of voter fraud in its data. Dominion Voting Systems, state election officials and the federal government say there’s no evidence that millions of votes were miscounted. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/14/20 at 13:37:51 The resistance is strong... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBeO6KosI_s[/media] |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by zevenenergie on 11/15/20 at 11:39:43 In the above youtube video I see a lot of people who want the best for their country and love their country. I've always had a place for Trump in my heart, but I thought negatively about his presidency. I now suddenly realize, now that someone has opened my eyes, how important it is to go for your heart. So I changed my mind. I want Trump to win the election. http://https://i.imgur.com/jOcwoIB.jpg |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by T And T Garage on 11/25/20 at 21:57:14 1D2F28393E2F38072B38214A0 wrote:
Hey TT, how you doing?[/quote] Wow... decided to pop back on here to see the trump supporter's heads exploding -- and I was not disappointed!! lol I see I'm still living in web's head rent free!! ;D ;D Biden won - trump lost. Life is good!! |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/25/20 at 22:13:03 I see I'm still living in web's head rent free!! Amazing there's any room left with all those tinfoil conspiracy theories he's so invested in. As Guilfoyle said, The Best. Is Yet. To Coooooommmmmmeee! WM bet that he'd fcuk off the forum permanently if Trump lost, I only took the bet because I wanted to see how he'd weasel out of it. He insisted that he won't. Then I let him know I'm not interested in collecting, I couldn't give a rat's what he does. Is he gracious enough to accept that. Noooooo, he then gives me a speech telling how honourable he is and that even though he somehow is able to prognosticate that if I'd lost that I would not honour the bet, he is not going to be such a dishonourable rat bag like he knows I would have been according to his ability to divine the future, and he's going to prove it by honouring his bet anyway! This of course just makes it even more enthralling to see how he's going to weasel out of it now. Stay tuned. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by Rockn on 11/25/20 at 23:06:31 I see I'm still living in web's head rent free!! ;D ;D WM escaped reality and just refers to anyone that challenges him as TT now. Good to see the original is still around! Your hardtail thread was one of the reasons I bought a savage. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by WebsterMark on 11/26/20 at 05:54:15 Yea, sure you did... It’s like seeing a train wreck. Everything is compared to that. |
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by T And T Garage on 11/26/20 at 22:23:37 11031714030507620 wrote:
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Title: Re: Resist .... Post by T And T Garage on 11/26/20 at 22:24:34 6C717D75706A767B767F69751E0 wrote:
Thanks - that's kind of you to say! |
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