Donate!
Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register :: View Members
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6
Send Topic Print
Carburetor Shootout (Read 1469 times)
DragBikeMike
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 4167
Honolulu
Re: Carburetor Shootout
Reply #30 - 03/28/20 at 23:29:30
 
The PWK uses a formed rubber seal on the float bowl in lieu of a fiber gasket.  That’s a nice feature until you need a new seal.
Back to top
 

PWK_Float_Bowl_Interior_2.jpg

Knowledge is power.
  IP Logged
DragBikeMike
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 4167
Honolulu
Re: Carburetor Shootout
Reply #31 - 03/28/20 at 23:30:04
 
This cobby drain plug O-ring had to go.
Back to top
 

PWK_Drain_Cobby_O-Ring_3_2.jpg

Knowledge is power.
  IP Logged
DragBikeMike
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 4167
Honolulu
Re: Carburetor Shootout
Reply #32 - 03/28/20 at 23:30:34
 
I replaced it with a viton o-ring.
Back to top
 

PWK_Drain_Viton_O-Ring_2.jpg

Knowledge is power.
  IP Logged
DragBikeMike
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 4167
Honolulu
Re: Carburetor Shootout
Reply #33 - 03/28/20 at 23:31:08
 
This is the unusual semi-flat slide.  Sort of half round, half flat.  It works well.  That little doohickey on the right is the piece that I needed to enlarge the socket in (to accept the cable).
Back to top
 

PWK_Slide__Needle_Assy_2.jpg

Knowledge is power.
  IP Logged
DragBikeMike
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 4167
Honolulu
Re: Carburetor Shootout
Reply #34 - 03/28/20 at 23:31:43
 
Replacement needles were needed to dial in the carb.  It came with a EGN, too lean.  ECN & EEN replacement needles were both an improvement.  I settled on the EEN.  Note that I had to sand down the e-clip to thin it out enough to fit in the needle grooves.  I used a strong magnet to hold the clip for sanding.  You can see that the grooves in the as-delivered EGN needle are wider than the replacement EEN needle.
Back to top
 

PWK_Needle__Clip_Problem_2.JPG

Knowledge is power.
  IP Logged
DragBikeMike
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 4167
Honolulu
Re: Carburetor Shootout
Reply #35 - 03/28/20 at 23:32:18
 
The stock rubber manifold works OK with the PWK but the fit is a bit loose. The stock clamp won’t fully tighten the connection.  A narrow stainless-steel worm clamp tightens it right up. An Ideal 5/16” wide #36 clamp works good.   If you prefer a real tight fit, pick up a Mikuni manifold (part number HS42/018-42K).  It’s a perfect fit.
Back to top
 

Special_Clamp_for_PWK_on_Stock_Manifold_2.jpg

Knowledge is power.
  IP Logged
DragBikeMike
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 4167
Honolulu
Re: Carburetor Shootout
Reply #36 - 03/28/20 at 23:32:54
 
With the PWK, installation and maintenance are easy.  There’s lots of room, probably even with the stock battery box.  Fuel line, vent tubes, and air boot all hook right up, almost like the stocker.  It’s also easy to work on the carb without removing it.  Idle speed & mixture adjustments are easy to access.
Back to top
 

PWK_Final_Install_LH_2.jpg

Knowledge is power.
  IP Logged
DragBikeMike
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 4167
Honolulu
Re: Carburetor Shootout
Reply #37 - 03/28/20 at 23:36:11
 
The Old School S&S Super-E.  

The S&S Super E is a fixed venturi carburetor.  It’s 19th century technology at its finest.  The venturi is 40mm.  It has an adjustable accelerator pump.  It flowed 191 cfm @ 15” H2O.

Installation 1:  This carburetor was not intended for installation on the Savage, it was designed for a Harley Davidson V-Twin.  The Super-E was VERY difficult to install on the Savage.

Tuning 1:  The Super-E was equally difficult to dial in.  It required modifications to the intermediate and main air bleeds, and countless hours of fiddling around with emulsion tubes, transition ports, float level, mixture settings, insulator blocks, etc.   It was a challenge.

Final jetting for this engine setup was: Main Jet #68, Main Air Bleed #140 (Mikuni), Intermediate Jet #26.5, Intermediate Air Bleed #80 (Mikuni), Float Level 1/16”, Idle Mix Screw 1-3/4 turns, accelerator pump 1 turn.

Drivability 2: It is an OK carburetor for a daily driver and a fun carburetor for a hotrod.  Drivability is sketchy.  It starts easy, almost always on the first crank.  Quick warmup.  Idles OK.  Great throttle response (really raps when you whack it).  Sometimes runs rough & hicups.  Cruises a bit choppy.  No afterfire, no KABOOM.

Acceleration 3:  The Super-E pulled a 4K to 7K time of 2.90 seconds.  It is tied with the VM38.
 
Fuel Economy 1:  The Super-E got 49.2 mpg.  Dead last.

Maintenance 4. Maintenance on the Super-E is super.  You don’t have to remove the carb for much of anything.  Minor adjustments to the mixture can be accomplished by swapping air bleeds (which are external).  Removal and replacement of the entire carb is also very easy.    The float bowl has a plug so draining the bowl and changing the main jet is easy.
 
Total score for the Super-E is 12.
Back to top
 
 

Knowledge is power.
  IP Logged
DragBikeMike
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 4167
Honolulu
Re: Carburetor Shootout
Reply #38 - 03/28/20 at 23:37:12
 
S&S Super E Points of Interest

This is the business end of the Super-E.  That huge fixed-venturi is good for about 191 cfm @ 15” H2O.  Since the venturi is fixed, it pulls the least venturi vacuum at part throttle, so fuel atomization and distribution are much less efficient.  That’s really apparent in the drivability and economy categories.
Back to top
 

Business_End_2.JPG

Knowledge is power.
  IP Logged
DragBikeMike
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 4167
Honolulu
Re: Carburetor Shootout
Reply #39 - 03/28/20 at 23:37:52
 
To install the Super-E on the Savage, I needed a custom intake manifold.  That turned out to be a lot more difficult than I anticipated.  I spent a lot of time just machining the manifold.
Back to top
 

Manifold_2.JPG

Knowledge is power.
  IP Logged
DragBikeMike
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 4167
Honolulu
Re: Carburetor Shootout
Reply #40 - 03/28/20 at 23:38:22
 
To connect an air filter, it needed an air horn too.  More raw material, more machining.
Back to top
 

Air_Horn_2.JPG

Knowledge is power.
  IP Logged
DragBikeMike
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 4167
Honolulu
Re: Carburetor Shootout
Reply #41 - 03/28/20 at 23:38:53
 
For the stock throttle cable to fit the S&S cable bracket, the 90°elbow must be modified, and the barrel end too.  That was one of the easy parts of the install.  The modified cable is on the left, stock cable on the right.
Back to top
 

Cable_mod_2.JPG

Knowledge is power.
  IP Logged
DragBikeMike
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 4167
Honolulu
Re: Carburetor Shootout
Reply #42 - 03/28/20 at 23:39:29
 
The float assembly and needle valve are part of the float bowl, so checking and adjusting float lever are as simple as removing the bowl, you don’t have to pull the carb.  However, it is very easy to remove the entire carburetor too.
Back to top
 

Float_Assembly_2.JPG

Knowledge is power.
  IP Logged
DragBikeMike
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 4167
Honolulu
Re: Carburetor Shootout
Reply #43 - 03/28/20 at 23:40:05
 
Changing a main jet or draining slop out of the bowl are as simple as removing this plug.  Of course, socket head screws are a must for securing the float bowl to the carb body.
Back to top
 

Float_Bowl_Screws_2.JPG

Knowledge is power.
  IP Logged
DragBikeMike
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 4167
Honolulu
Re: Carburetor Shootout
Reply #44 - 03/28/20 at 23:40:35
 
Adjustable air bleeds had to be set up for both the intermediate jet and the main jet.  Regular Mikuni large round jets are used.
Back to top
 

IAB_Adjustable_2_2.jpg

Knowledge is power.
  IP Logged
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6
Send Topic Print


« Home

 
« Home
SuzukiSavage.com
04/27/24 at 16:21:30



General CategoryRubber Side Down! › Carburetor Shootout


SuzukiSavage.com » Powered by YaBB 2.2!
YaBB © 2000-2007. All Rights Reserved.