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Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses
Reply #75 - 10/05/18 at 12:41:55
 

Intel begins active DAMAGE CONTROL of their stupid-bad 50% pricing increase move .......


...... which was Intel raising their chip prices instantly by 50% across the board, firmly intending to curtail buyer's demand to what Intel's overburdened 14nm production system could actually deliver while making an extra buck out of their own manufacturing production shortage.

Let's see, so far we have seen two paid mag-rag sources saying that all production numbers should be weighed in "as the last 2 years of net production only" and no one should be using any "brand new production only" figures as Intel only sells chips from warehouse inventory not hand to mouth on special order like AMD and ARM do.    Intel does months long very large production runs on a carefully kept rotating schedule, producing a whole lot of one chipset then rolling over to the next one.

So Intel is actually counting their "sent to the warehouse" as production while AMD is counting "shipped to the customer'.   That sounds about like Intel, doesn't it?

Intel is also counting the re-labeling of old warehouse stocks as "additional new production" as they were produced this year by a quick wipe with a solvent soaked rag and a quick restamp with an ink stamp.    By showing transferred production numbers this way Intel's production shortfall is obfuscated greatly as well as "current production" is grossly overstated as well as is overall inventory (both old and new inventory are getting counted, just in different months).

Intel will only allow reporting of their inventory movement in this fashion, disguising what is currently happening in real time by adding in a good chunk of the entire period when they were a virtual monopoly source of chipsets and also by double counting some transferred warehouse inventory numbers.

Still, the effect of what is currently going on still rings through even when using Intel's "tweeked' figures --- but we all should realize that if Intel didn't move another single chipset in the rest of 2018 they could only lose like 12% of their total market share when calculated in this Intel approved fashion.

Intel also currently claims their 14nm is the "density equivalent" of everybody else's 10nm.   This is a patently false claim.  We wonder what will have to happen so Intel can try to claim Intel 14nm is the "equivalent" of everybody else's 5nm when 5nm AMD and 5nm ARM ships in volume late this year or early of next year.  

It will be fun to watch and we jest know Intel is gonna try to do it somehow.


Roll Eyes


Intel successes -- Intel has paid writers and bloggers that only sing the party line on demand.    Most of these are silent at the moment with only 2 so far having the chutzpah to say Intel is doing well at this juncture.  

But, because no one will call Intel's pricing move as stupid and because the financial writers are "holding silent" at the moment concerning the inventory games and the relabeling of old inventory tricks, well,  it all comes down to is THE STOCK PRICE.

....... and the stock price dropped, but is now holding and rising slightly.



Intel can BS their way out of this, in other words.

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Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses
Reply #76 - 10/08/18 at 05:37:47
 

https://www.techpowerup.com/248356/microsoft-raises-prices-of-windows-10-home...

Microsoft raises Windows 10 prices up to $139 per license.

Intel got away with jacking up their prices across the board bigtime, mainly due to having bought all the reporters that cover them and by choreographing their own stories with a pro-Intel tilt.

So Mickey decided to raise their prices across the board, no reason, just greedy.

Mickey is getting slammed by the press though, for doing a major price hike during the same week they are melting down due to their big new file deletion bug issues with their Fall 2018 Upgrade.    


Mickey is coming across as careless AND greedy ......
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Re: 2018 -- new Intel failure[color=#0s & suce
Reply #77 - 10/09/18 at 10:58:04
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/10/09/intels-i9-9900k-vs-ryz...

Last summer Intel held a big press function at a show where everyone wound up lining up afterwards to call bullshite on Intel's wonderful gaming processor claims.  

Intel had gotten caught NOT using their much touted readily visible hardware during the tests, but instead having using a hidden HUGE dual chip mainframe motherboard board, two carefully cherry picked mainframe processor chipsets and a HUGE power supply and an industrial FREON cooling system to cool it all down enough in order to yield Intel's advertised speed claims.   All this was hidden under the display table in multiple layers of acoustical baffling so you couldn't really hear the noisy freon cooler compressor running.  

Forbes covered it again as a "lack of candor" item as a financial reporting magazine, an item of great importance to Forbes in the business/financial setting where Forbes lives.    

Not being able to trust Intel was the news, to the financially minded Forbes anyway.

Did Intel learn anything from this?   YES, Intel learned to hide their cheats a little bit better this time around and they used a paid testing house to front the cheating so they could claim deniability if they got caught at it again.

...... and they did get caught, of course .......

However, Hardware Unboxed and Forbes had already agreed to IMMEDIATELY verify test both Intel's rigs and Intel's test methods within 1 day of the presentation.   And Hardware Unboxed did this, finding the cheats and Forbes then did publish these cheats right away (on the Forbes news site).


https://youtu.be/6bD9EgyKYkU             It is a Youtube, click and watch it.


It is interesting to note that there is an Intel news embargo on this big new show with certain signed Nondisclosure terms about the show, but Intel was sloppy in implementing their Nondisclosure with Hardware Unboxed actually not being asked to sign anything.    

Bad mistake, that .......

So, the cat is now out of the bag again and all the paid reviewers are pulling back their glowing initial reviews for "re-analysis".

And, as they did last time, Forbes is bluntly asking Intel Management to explain what they heck they thought they were doing by cheating again so blatantly ......

Intel has again paid considerable sums of money to get their image out first again as "world beating" in games, and Intel paid an independent test firm to lie test the stuff for them and then Intel trusted an extended non-disclosure period to make sure Intel's position as "king of games" got reported for most of an entire week before the shite hit the fan.

OOOPS ...... Der Shite has hit the fan the very first thing and Der Shite has blown back all over Intel's face and clothes.   And Intel foolishly had their mouth slightly open, too.

And if you haven't noticed a pattern of Intel lying about lots of stuff lately, you are just plain not paying attention.


Once again, Forbes is covering the lies and calling a lie a lie.


Should you re-consider what brand you might actually chose in light of the fact Intel lies to you about what they are doing all the time and lies to you about how fast their stuff actually runs vs the competition?


https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/10/09/intels-i9-9900k-vs-ryz...

Perhaps even more egregious, and something Hardware Unboxed didn't mention is the fact that Principled Technologies intentionally activated Game Mode inside the Ryzen Master utility on all the AMD systems, which temporarily disables half the available CPU cores. That means the Ryzen 7 2700X became a 4-core CPU. While this mode tends to elevate gaming performance on Threadripper processors, it also cripples heavily multi-threaded benchmarks like Ashes of the Singularity which utilizes all available threads.

Yes, that's the same game Intel leverages to make its "50% faster" claim.
 
No shite, Sherlock -- cut off half of the other guys cores and he will be 50% slower,  duh .....

The bottom line is this: always wait for the independent reviews. This was a study clearly commissioned to present Intel's competitive advantage and to make its new product look good. Of course it was. And I believe Intel when it says the i9-9900K will be the fastest mainstreaming gaming CPU on the market. But by how much, exactly, and will it be worth the 68% + higher price?  
No shite, Sherlock -- was this 69% before or AFTER the 50% price increase that just went across the board,  huh ??? .....

Thanks to just how transparent Principled Technologies was with their testing methodology, we have the early stages of very concrete proof that the results you may see leading up to the embargo dropping are, to put it plainly, bogus.

UPDATE: Intel PR emailed me the following response to this situation:

"We are deeply appreciative of the work of the reviewer community and expect that over the coming weeks additional testing will continue to show that the 9th Gen Intel Core i9-9900K is the world’s best gaming processor. Principled Technologies conducted this initial testing using systems running in spec, configured to show CPU performA closer examination of the results revealed a few test conditions that obviously could skew the results in favor of Intel's processor, including using a less-capable CPU cooler on AMD's chip,  disabling half the cores on an AMD Ryzen processor, and a listing in the test notes that said the firm overclocked the RAM on Intel's platform only. The company says that it is retesting the processors to correct the errors.A closer examination of the results revealed a few test conditions that obviously could skew the results in favor of Intel's processor, including using a less-capable CPU cooler on AMD's chip,  disabling half the cores on an AMD Ryzen processor, and a listing in the test notes that said the firm overclocked the RAM on Intel's platform only. The company says that it is retesting the processors to correct the errors.ance and has published the configurations used. The data is consistent with what we have seen in our labs, and we look forward to seeing the results from additional third party testing in the coming weeks."

I have asked Intel to consider having these results removed and for Principled Technologies to retest using systems that are truly running "in spec."



Intel intends to use verbage from their paid reviewing sources to "verify" their paid testing complete with all its errors ......

Intel is jest being Intel all over again.



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"Those stupid reporter mullets are SO gullible and easy to trick its like shooting fish in a barrel ...... hee hee"



"...... and if you get caught, just have a couple of our paid reviewers "disagree" with whatever you got caught at a couple of times in the following weeks .....

Then have Microsoft delete and "illegalize" whatever driver makes them better and force our driver down their throat yet again in the nightly updates.

And if you get caught at that, remember some really hot controversy news just leads to better sales of the new disputed champion chipset".




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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-9th-gen-core-testing-controversy,3790...

Two days later --- Here are some of the controversial results in Principled Technologies' report as re-tested and confirmed by Tom's Hardware two days later.

"Principled Technologies' benchmarks pit the Core i9-9900K, Intel's new flagship eight-core processor for mainstream systems, against AMD's mainstream desktop Ryzen 7 2700X. The 19 game benchmarks in the report paint a very convincing picture of the Core i9-9900K's total dominance over the Ryzen 7 2700X in gaming, but a deeper look at the system settings revealed a few questionable, and one downright unbelievable, configuration that could skew the results in Intel's favor.

The missteps begin with system memory. Principled Technologies used the XMP profile, which automatically assigns tight timings for the Corsair Vengeance DDR4-3200 memory (running at DDR4-2666) installed in the Intel system. In contrast, the company set the Ryzen 7 2700X's memory configuration, which was fully populated with four double-sided DIMMs, at the stock DDR4-2933. This setup allows the system to assign timings for the memory, which often leads to suboptimal memory performance.

As we've proven time and again, AMD's Zen architecture is extremely sensitive to memory performance, particularly in games. As such, even small variations in settings result in improved gaming performance with Ryzen processors, meaning this mismatch could give Intel at least some advantage in the gaming tests.

Principled Technologies also used the stock Ryzen 7 2700X Wraith Prism cooler with the AMD system but installed a premium Noctua NH-U14S cooler on the Intel processor. Again, as we've proven in the past, improved cooling benefits both AMD and Intel's chips by allowing the processors to operate at their Boost frequencies more frequently, and then maintain the heightened clock speeds for longer periods of time.

Slight differences in cooling solutions can have an impact on the test setup. In this case, the Intel system could expend more waste heat than the AMD system, which would provide it with an advantage. Intel's new K-series processor doesn't come with a stock cooler, so the company had to use a third-party solution, but sound testing methodology dictates that coolers for both systems should be of equal quality. That didn't happen here.

Perhaps the most damming admission involves AMD's Game Mode feature that AMD created for its Threadripper processors. Game mode essentially disables half of the processors' available cores to circumvent the intricacies of the Threadripper architecture. Those same principles don't apply to the mainstream Ryzen processors, but Principled Technologies chose to enable the feature on the eight-core Ryzen 7 2700X anyway. That turns the processor into a four-core chip.

As you might expect, this effectively cripples the processor in heavily threaded gaming benchmarks, and the test suite included a few impacted titles, like Ashes of the Singularity. AMD's Ryzen Master software actually locks the Game Mode feature out on the Ryzen 2700X because the chip can't switch between 'local' and 'dynamic' modes, meaning the firm might have enabled the compatibility mode that accomplishes the same task of disabling four cores.

The firm also tested the games with a 1920 x 1080 resolution, which has drawn the ire of many enthusiasts because we wouldn't expect gamers with a pricey Core i9-9900K processor to play at that resolution. However, the fact remains that testing at lower resolutions is a solid test methodology if you're focusing specifically on the host processor, as reducing the graphics bottleneck as much as possible allows for true measurement of CPU performance, rather than a graphics-imposed bottleneck. In fact, the majority of review sites still test CPU gaming performance at this resolution.

We've reached out to Principled Technologies for comment and have lodged follow up questions with Intel."
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Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses
Reply #78 - 10/11/18 at 22:52:23
 
   
One week later ....... Intel and Principled Technology have admitted to the failures in their test methods.   Principled has committed to retesting, but Intel HAS NOT said they would pay for a retest.    Intel doesn't care, they bought and they got their 1 week headline saying they were King of Gaming Performance.

Best articles written in the last 2 days have been grand sweep overviews of PC Space and the through and careful debunking all the bad information put out by Intel and Microsoft in the last year as they have created "shortages" and jacked up pricing across the board by a net of 70% inside the last calendar year.

Intel isn't going to downsize their lithography because smaller doesn't work for them on the production equipment that they own.   All Intel can do is add more and more cores and cheat on benchmarks.  

On the OS side Microsoft keeps adding features on top of features on top of features while letting some key background maintenance style items degrade and fail.    

Both companies are jacking up their pricing because of the perceived monopoly positions that they hold.


Big Picture review:

Personal Computing on non-networked PCs is still shrinking across the globe.

Networked Personal Computing is growing recently by only 2.5%.

"Age replacement" of PCs is slowing down as 10 year old machines are still "capable enough" as networked machines.

Wintel has competition now, and every machine lost to Wintel's competition means they lose total revenue.

The sharp rise of China's domestic AMD based computer processor production spells the end of all Intel global growth.

The rise of ARM PC processors spells the potential start of Intel's global shrinkage.

The fact that Intel has to cheat on benchmark tests to try to sell customers on the thought that Gen 9 is in any way better than Gen 8 (or Gen 7 for that matter) is a telling point.

Intel's current claims of 10% performance improvements on their new Gen 9 processors are exaggerated.    ARM's claims of 10-20% improvements are real however and have happened more than once a year lately.   Intel currently has to sell people on huge many cored rackspace chipsets in order to just remain "perceived competitive" in performance.

The uses of sales psychology to get people to endlessly spend LARGE bogus dollars on Wintel "because is it better" takes a page or two from Apple, who are past masters on owning the minds of their customer base.

Customers really are stupid.    They will functionally sign over the rights to control their home computer (signed over to Microsoft) by accepting restrictive Microsoft EULA statements by using the product  after paying out the nose to get a simple update.

Controlling Gaming was a major reason this actually worked for Wintel in the past.   Google and Gabe at Steam has fixed that condition for you.

Big Business and Education mind control by means of MS Office was a major reason this actually worked for Wintel in the past.   Google Chromebooks in schools fixed that condition for you.

Why again do you stay trapped in a bad computing relationship?    

Habit and laziness mostly.     Americans don't like to learn anything new .....
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Reply #79 - 10/12/18 at 07:20:31
 

 I've read through the MS EULA and can't find a section that releases control of my computer to Microsoft.  Can you help me find that section?
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Reply #80 - 10/12/18 at 09:19:07
 

Amazing that it doesn't show up to you when you reading the MS EULA.   Didn't you see the part about remotely implemented automatic system updates?

All innocent sounding, isn't it --- until the drivers that allow your machine to run properly disappear, deleted and replaced by MS drivers that don't do the same job exactly.   And some of your games and other older hardware items simply stop working.

MS's entire "service" depends on having detailed nightly control of your every computing experience, and having it done their way.   MS will alter your equipment, remove files from your machine (and not just systems files, sometimes your intentionally installed software gets removed) simply to make your machine adhere to the MS way of doing things.

Intel now depends their "competitive reviews" and their #1 position in gaming on using MS's automatic update system to give them drivers that are tweeked to their advantage.    If you bought hardware (video cards) from folks like ATI using custom ATI drivers to access feature sets that you wanted (like fast high resolution gaming) and had it repeatedly stop working due to nightly updates I think you could understand what I am talking about.

Wintel controls your machine in fine detail and isn't above using that control to create the impression that their hardware and software are the superior (and only) way to do things.

Eegore is a fine example of someone who has sipped the korporate koolade for years and years now and truly believes Mickey and Intel are acting in his best interest.    He is mentally dependent upon MS and Intel now and trusts them enough to pay their currently extra high jacked up prices (year after year) and to believe the paid reviews and all the PR that they generate.

This is not a totally bad thing, by surrendering all choices to MS and buying new machines from Dell every year or so Eegore gets what he really wants -- not having to be bothered with it.

There are other ways to compute, other ways to not be bothered with it --- some are much less expensive and invasive.    For example I stay current with the Linux Mint-y green pathway instead of the Mickey/Intel Windows-way.  

And I bet I get bothered a lot less by the Minty green pathway than Eegore does, and I am certain it costs a lot less for the Minty green way than the Mickey/Intel way.







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Reply #81 - 10/12/18 at 09:58:38
 

 I got this response from my IT guy:

"We don't have nightly updates to the OS on any of the company PC units. Per your decision we skipped the step for connecting the PC software to a Microsoft account. Updates are required at times to keep the OS operational to a degree but not nightly by any means. According to the paragraph you sent me the claim is that MS "service" requires nightly updates and this may be true if you want their "service" but in our case we do not use whatever that is. Drivers are not replaced at this time but it may potentially happen.

The reason you do not experience issues with your GPU or any other feature shutting down for updates is because this doesn't happen. This is also because you have no Microsoft account and your PC is not running off Intel's or MS standards. To make sure I will run a diagnostic on your system and see if anything has been uninstalled, as of 01.10.18 no software you installed has been removed.

Your PC units from Dell are not controlled by Microsoft, you can install any software you want without Microsoft having control. Seven of your machines do not run MS Windows at all."

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Reply #82 - 10/12/18 at 10:05:47
 
"Eegore is a fine example of someone who has sipped the korporate koolade for years and years now and truly believes Mickey and Intel are acting in his best interest."

 If this were true I wouldn't be asking you for more information about the posts you share here.  Insults may help you feel better and if denigrating my intelligence and character helps you out then go for it, but I can say that I never created a MS account for a reason and that wasn't because I trust them so much.

 Also I haven't bought Intel replacement hardware for years, for a reason, and that is part of why I have been following your posts here.
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Reply #83 - 10/12/18 at 10:20:30
 

Eegore has a computer systems IT man, a paid employee to keep his Wintel in check.   I wonder how much of his time is spent on MS created problems ......







The rest of us put up with this ......

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Reply #84 - 10/12/18 at 10:29:54
 

Eegore wrote on 10/12/18 at 10:05:47:
"Eegore is a fine example of someone who has sipped the korporate koolade for years and years now and truly believes Mickey and Intel are acting in his best interest."

 If this were true I wouldn't be asking you for more information about the posts you share here.  Insults may help you feel better and if denigrating my intelligence and character helps you out then go for it, but I can say that I never created a MS account for a reason and that wasn't because I trust them so much.

 Also I haven't bought Intel replacement hardware for years, for a reason, and that is part of why I have been following your posts here.




Whups, I done got me a case of the Linus illness again.    

Done been bashing on poor ol' Eegore as a closet Wintel lover ......  (why, because he acted that way originally)

Sorry, I need me another trip down the trap door to go bathe my many sins away in the river Stix again .....    


"Grievous Violations of the Liberal PC Code of Conduct --- 30 days in the river Styx or else 20 endless class hours of Sensitivity Training !!!" sez the judge.


A quick final point as I head for the Tall Table basement bar area to get to the trap door under the rug --- we all have creeping green stuff in our chosen lives.   Mine is very short green user friendly mossy stuff covering all the rocks.    Makes them rocks a little more cuddly and friendly to your toes .....

A Micky person lives with jagged edged broken promise rocks and rampant Kudzu lies trying to cover both his car and his house .....     Tongue

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Reply #85 - 10/12/18 at 10:39:23
 
"I wonder how much of his time is spent on MS created problems ......"

 I could get the exact numbers for you.  What timeframe would you like?  I can go back 2 years 4 months.

"(why, because he acted that way originally)"

 I am asking for more information about what you post because I am interested in what you post.  I can not find a post where I in any way claim that MS, Wintel, or any program company hardware, software or combination of is inferior or superior.  

 I have no opinion because I do not have enough information to compile one.  Because I am not indicating that I like your way better does not automatically make my way, or any other way better in my opinion.

 I don't know how you take me asking questions, politely, means I am supporting any company, software, hardware, method or combination.  All I wanted to know was where you found information in the Windows EULA, or why you experience the same software differently than I do, hardly something to get personal over.

 I wonder why so many threads on this forum degrade into insults.
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Reply #86 - 10/13/18 at 01:57:14
 
Really wish I could understand all this, Linux Mint Sonya whatever is by and large going ok for me. Don't know if it's much faster than Wondowes whatever 7.
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Reply #87 - 10/13/18 at 06:58:15
 

Eegore wrote on 10/12/18 at 07:20:31:
 I've read through the MS EULA and can't find a section that releases control of my computer to Microsoft.  Can you help me find that section?



https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/useterms        (there is a lot of stuff in this one, so click on it)


An End User License Agreement (EULA) is a legal contract between a software application author or publisher and the user of that application. ... The user can refuse to enter into the agreement by returning the software product for a refund or clicking "I do not accept" when prompted to accept the EULA during an install.  Using the product past this point in time legally means you have accepted the terms of the EULA "as published".

Oh my, the myrad worlds of the Microsoft EULA ......

First, there are Many Many Microsoft EULAs out there .....   There are entire categories and classes of EULAs.    There are lots of EULAs for Windows 10, some of which reference EULAs for earlier OS versions.   Different nations/regions have different terms.  There are EULAs for MS Office, everything MS ever made has an EULA that you sign electronically to get the product to install and to work.   You get it installed and working, you are bound by the EULA that came with it.

There are EULAs for Server Products and that leads to the terms of your IT based Service Agreement and the EULAs that govern that.

You can actually bridge between several worlds of EULAs and I think you in particular do.    Examples of the various worlds of Licensing can be found here ........    

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/licensing/default


Check here and use these tools to find which EULA covers the question in your heart at the moment.


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As Windows has moved from discrete products over to a nightly updated service, you were required to accept various EULAs that detailed that changeover.

Home users have different set up times and have different set up terms, all have accepted that EULA that covered that situation from their side of things AND BY DEFAULT EACH FOLLOW ON EULA SIMPLY BY CONTINUING TO USE THE SERVICE.

Eegore, however, may be covered in part by a 5-10 year old IT Service Agreement signed by your IT people.   You are likely also covered by an Office Pro EULA and by separate other products EULAs.    The IT guys are now getting new EULAs sent to them to sign off on as well.

In contrast if you are Johnny Normal Homeowner swinging his Win 10 Home you agreed to accept the terms of the current Win 10 Home EULA which stated that changes in the EULA could come about at any time (since the product was a service now instead of a discrete product) and by using the service you accepted the new "current terms of the EULA" and any future EULAs.   You also agreed to accept and auto install each rolling update and upgrade to keep your machine totally current to MS standards.

If you find all this amazingly complex and so not worth getting into, I have to say I am right there with you, too.    I gave up on MS as too much trouble for too little real benefit.

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Me, I don't have a MS ID any longer.   I don't subscribe to any MS service.  I am not covered by any MS EULA or Agreement or anything else Microsoft so I don't have to crawl down that rabbit hole.    

I find I like that, a lot.

Since your machine was likely set up under a discrete item Business grade IT Service Agreement instead of an EULA, please don't expect the world of Consumer Windows to be exactly the same as your world.


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https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-win...

Here is a good place to start if you want to understand a little something about the Microsoft Managed Desktop that Home users will have to be dealing with.

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This one digs a little deeper on the business side of things, this coming from Mary Jo Foley,  Little Miss Windows herself.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-got-a-new-plan-for-managing-windows-...

This broaches the package aspects of leasing the hardware and the software together.   Dell will likely be doing this one for their business customers, I do believe.

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If you already have hardware you like and you are a business customer, then you can also take the Windows / Office package as Modern Workplace as a Service (MWaaS).

Currently, some Microsoft partners are selling what sounds a lot like this Microsoft Managed Desktop service, but under the "Modern Workplace as a Service (MWaaS) banner. Microsoft has been using "Modern Workplace" to refer to its Microsoft 365 subscription bundle and related software/services.

But the point is you will have to take Windows as a service package deal in some fashion or another going on out in the future, because MS isn't going to offer their old discrete products like you are used to seeing.

Just like MS stopped selling the boxed software disks, buying the separate bits and pieces of a MS system and you putting it all together has become un-supportable (and unprofitable) for MS to even attempt to try keep up with.  

And guess what, they won't even try.

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Reply #88 - 10/16/18 at 05:59:27
 

Post Embargo follow up on Intel lying at the last big show over their best gaming processor.

Folks, people from gaming processor review sites actually drove over to Intel's pet testing house Principled Technology and CAREFULLY EXPLAINED to them how to set up an AMD processor board.   They actually brought a properly set up board and SHOWED the PT people what they were doing wrong.

Obviously, Principled Technology only has one paying customer (Intel) and they have received instructions on how to do this test and that is what they are bloody well gonna do.   For example, Principled Technology still insists on using the custom cooler rig Intel provided to keep the Intel chipset from throttling itself to death (it is a $140 cooler rig).

So, now Principled Technology is getting hooted at again for being a consciously INCOMPETENT Intel lying shill and for having functionally ZERO credibility in testing gaming CPU processors.    Principled Technology has now added a disclaimer to their results --- they are not responsible legally for any financial losses to any party for any reason that is due to their reviews.   Any errors in testing can only be charged back by their customer ONLY for only the sum total they were paid to perform the testing.    (PT is scared Intel is gonna share the pain with them in court, looks like)

Intel is catching hell for just plain lying again     ...... but what else is new ......

Post embargo results are posted now from the other tester guys.   The AMD board if set up with the right memory and the right BIOS settings and the right game parameters and an equivalent cooler tests 15% slower than Intel's tricked up board.    

People who replaced the Intel super duper cooler with a more stock like unit being used for both boards to try to get a normal to normal test got a 12% difference (AMD is slower than Intel by 12% with a normal to normal set up).   A lot of this remaining speed difference is coming from the more expensive grade of memory Intel has to use and the higher clock rates that it automatically allows (if the cooler is able to stand the heat and not throttle the advantage all away to nothing that is).   The net improvement is not just from the Intel processor itself, in other words.

So, the Intel rig up is arguably 15% faster than AMD's rig up, not 45% faster as originally touted by Intel at the show.

NOTE:   AMD has just dropped in a price decrease across the board on their gaming processors to boost sales during Christmas season (AMD needs to clear the decks over Christmas as their new 7nm chipsets are coming in bulk very very soon).  

Current price comparisons between AMD and Intel set ups depend on the cooler that you pick and just how deluxe you go on the Intel memory modules (they use different memory types with Intel's costing a whole bunch more if you want to get the full 15% increase you are actually promised now).  

The Intel +15% faster gaming rig will cost more than TWICE AS MUCH as the AMD set up.

And a few of the reviewers flat question if you can tell the 15% difference in the gaming frame rates with your Mark I eyeballs as at anything past 40 frames per second it gets hard to tell the difference sometimes as the games don't actually do anything between a lot of the frames (when you get going really fast the higher frame rates just look exactly the same).    This is why a lot of gaming reviewers just test at a consistent 40 frames a second rate for everybody, especially when they are reviewing a main CPU processor instead of testing a video card.

The state of the art Intel board costs twice as much.   The fancy memory costs twice as much.   The fancy CPU cooler rigs can cost 1.5x to 3x as much depending on what you pick and where you buy it.  

So your total Intel bill is going to be quite a bit higher than 2x more when compared to AMD implementations .......

So, Intel certainly isn't cheap for a dubious 15% total advantage in gaming ...... and several reviewers expect that run of the mill gamers are plenty smart enough to simply wait until year after next when AMD will come out with a new wave of yet still faster 5nm processors, sockets and boards before buying in with a new motherboard again.

Last point to make.   With AMD you can currently just re-use your 2 year old board and memory (Note: a free BIOS upgrade is needed) and you can drop in a new AMD processor into the same socket for around $249 ($231 at Amazon).    Your AMD processor comes with a stock fan/air cooler right in the box with the new processor.

You can't do this with Intel as the CPU sockets and memory have changed.
  Your Intel processor currently costs $499 plus .... and it requires you to go out and buy a motherboard, new memory sticks and a separate CPU cooler set up.  

NOTE PLEASE:   Intel's chip really costs $579 if you really go out and try to actually buy one on the open market today.   This particular unit was indeed part of the last big Intel "across the board lack of capacity" price INCREASE.

So AMD costs WAY less than half what Intel would actually cost, and AMD says their old boards won't be changed (you can still do a processor upgrade job) until year 2021 when the 5nm stuff begins to roll on through.    Intel is still busy jacking the price up on their processor and actually has NONE ready to sell at this point in time.    The sample run units out in the funky boxes are it, I am afraid.

I look forward to watching all the creative lying & BS that Intel will have to do next year to keep the gaming crown TO STILL BE PERCEIVED to still be sitting on their little pointy froggy heads.

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Reply #89 - 10/16/18 at 22:33:55
 

https://www.nextplatform.com/2018/10/16/a-new-datacenter-compels-arm-to-creat...

New threats to Intel from ARM Holdings





This means rolling in new tech using the existing share of chips that the Arm collective sells into cellular base stations as well as switches, gateways, WAN routers, and the smidgen of servers as an entry wedge.  That existing share has grown from around 5 percent seven years ago to almost 30 percent so far in 2018.

With this large presence in the datacenter and an absolutely dominant share in smartphones, Arm has perhaps the best holistic view of how datacenters and devices are interacting and how this is changing the marketplace.  The model of cloudy datacenters creating and distributing media content in its various forms – and 75 percent of the capacity transmitted these days is video, although we would argue that the information content does not yet rival other traditional media such as text and voice – to billions of PCs and smartphones is evolving rapidly, according to Drew Henry, senior vice president and general manager of the infrastructure line of business at Arm,

So, ARM is doing very well in datacenters and devices, so ARM now selling in the next level of designs intending to grow in place off of existing strengths of position.

A NEW TURN
The Neoverse line of chips will draw on the current Cortex-A72 and Cortex-A75 designs, which will be recast with enhancements and made with tools and masks that are compatible with the current crop of 16 nanometer and 14 nanometer processes at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp as well as the equivalents at Samsung and GlobalFoundries – the three big independent fabs.   ARM did not divulge what these chips, which was called a fork of the Cortex-A72 and Cortex-A75, would have that make them distinct, but we will find out soon enough. We do know that they will be recast as the “Cosmos” platform, and will be implemented in 16 nanometer processes, as the roadmap shows:



Next year, Arm will introduce the “Ares” successor to the currently successful Cosmos tweak, and this is where things get interesting. As the chart above suggests, Arm is promising an architecture that will deliver around 30 percent more performance with each generation, and an annual cadence to the designs that will keep the performance coming. By 2021, the chip designs that Arm will put out will, if this pace can be held, deliver 2.2X more performance per watt than Intel can provide. (By which Arm means aggregate compute throughput, not single thread performance, since clock speeds are going down as core counts go up.)

Arm did talk a bit about the Neoverse platform coming next year, which will be geared for heavy datacenter jobs like network function virtualization dataplanes and servers.   The Neoverse war plan calls for server processors that will eventually scale up to 128 cores. Our guess is that Arm will use a multichip module approach that leverages the Cortex-A72 blocks to get 48 cores on a die at first, and then puts eight cores on a chiplet or chip block at first with “Ares” in 2019, then twelve cores per chunk with “Zeus” in 2020, and then sixteen with “Poseidon” in 2021, which also switches to 5 nanometer chip etching. Variants used in dataplane applications that have up to 256 cores eventually, which is interesting indeed.

Key point is ARM is reusing its low energy cell phone tech in packages that can also be a PC or a rack space server chipset, also currently covering ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN BETWEEN WITH A CONSISTENT LOW POWER CHIP SYSTEM.

Intel has its Xenon super duper expensive (high energy hog) rack space server chipsets.   ARM does the same jobs using lots of low energy cores at FAR FAR GREATER efficiency numbers.

This was news 2 years ago and it was rolled out last year in Centriq processors from Qualcomm and with the Epic processor line from AMD.   It was technically quite successful, but a vast mass of Intel Xenons still sitting in place proved to be an inertia mass that was very hard to get to actively rolling over.



Add it all up, and it could get quite a bit easier to field an Arm server chip, and there is more confidence in a long term roadmap that shows consistent performance growth, multiple fab partners, and a strong commitment to steady progress. This is how the Arm collective might attain that dream of 25-30 percent share in servers, commensurate with its existing share in other datacenter devices.

So this is the crow bar that ARM is using to get the Xenons to begin to roll over ---- MUCH MUCH LOWER OPERATING COSTS and a very consistent MUCH CHEAPER TECH IMPLEMENTATION FROM TOP TO BOTTOM.   Each wave of roll over will give the bean pickers a clear one year Return On Investment based off of reduced power and cooling costs,  which is always a key financial test that bean pickers use to judge whether to fund a new technology.



So .......

Who is on board with this initiative at this point in time?



Broadcom

“Combing Arm’s long-term infrastructure roadmap with Broadcom’s best in class networking technology, Broadcom delivers leadership performance products for the datacenter that are still power efficient. Arm’s roadmap enables optimizations that accelerate customer workloads for the evolving compute and connectivity requirements of tomorrow’s datacenter,” said Ed Redmond, senior vice president and general manager, Compute and Connectivity, Broadcom, Inc.


Cadence

“Building upon on our longstanding collaboration with Arm, Cadence has delivered specific flows for Arm-based designs from edge nodes through networks to the cloud including joint test chips, library, and memory development and characterization, R By 2021, the chip designs that Arm will put out will, if this pace can be held, deliver 2.2X more performance per watt than Intel can provide.AK implementation flows, optimized verification flows and Cadence DDR, PCIe, and CCIX IP integrations that support Arm’s Neoverse solutions,” said Paul Cunningham, corporate vice president and general manager of the System & Verification Group at Cadence. “We’ve also been working closely with Arm Neoverse ecosystem partners to implement SoC devices in Arm-based datacenters. As the first and only ecosystem partner to provide an Arm ServerReady compliance certification methodology, we’re jointly enabling our mutual customers to shorten time-to-silicon.”


Marvell

“Marvell® Infrastructure Processors are extensively deployed in a variety of leading network products. They are designed to analyze, secure, compute, and transform in both wired and wireless networks from the edge to the core,” said Raj Singh, senior vice president and general manager, Infrastructure Processors BU, Marvell Semiconductor Inc. “As a long term technology licensee, as well as an Arm IP customer, Marvell is very pleased to see this increased focus on the enterprise and 5G markets with Neoverse IP. We believe this will greatly benefit the whole Arm ecosystem in providing high performance and power-efficient solutions for the next generation of network infrastructure and compute.”


Mellanox

“Mellanox smart Ethernet and InfiniBand interconnect solutions provide the highest performance, efficiency, and scalability for Arm-based compute and storage platforms,” said Gilad Shainer, vice president of marketing at Mellanox Technologies. “Furthermore, Mellanox Bluefield™ SmartNIC integrates multi Arm cores with Mellanox interconnect technology, enabling the next generation of cloud, 5G networking, security storage solutions and more. We look forward to continuing work with Arm to leverage their new capabilities.”


RedHat

“Choice allows businesses to select the best solution for their needs, and this is true all the way down to the underlying architecture. It's up to software vendors like Red Hat to be able to support this demand for choice from our customers as they extend operations into the hybrid cloud," said Stefanie Chiras, vice president and general manager, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Red Hat. "With this emphasis on choice front and center, we look forward to supporting solutions from the Arm Neoverse ecosystem as our customers seek to match their evolving business requirements to the most appropriate enterprise IT solutions.”


SUSE

“SUSE has been an early and enthusiastic supporter of Arm technology. Customers use SUSE products to support IT infrastructure based on Arm processors for High Performance Computing, Cloud, Storage, Network infrastructure, and Edge Computing. The introduction of the Arm Neoverse technology roadmap will accelerate the transformation of IT infrastructure by delivering technology and ecosystems tailored for specific workloads.” Brent Schroeder, SUSE Chief Technology Officer, Americas


Synopsys

“Leading semiconductor and system companies rely on Synopsys tools and Interface IP for their most advanced cloud, infrastructure and networking designs,” said Deirdre Hanford, co-general manager, Synopsys Design Group. “Synopsys and Arm have been collaborating for more than 25 years to enable mutual customer success, and our latest collaboration delivers optimized support for Arm’s Neoverse platforms, where our Design Platform with Fusion Technology™, Verification Continuum™ Platform, and DesignWare® Interface IP have already enabled tapeout success for early adopters of Arm’s Neoverse roadmap, including the next generation “Ares” processor.”


TSMC

“Time to market in today’s rapidly evolving infrastructure requires proven, scalable IP, development tools, advanced processes, and a complete ecosystem to provide compelling solutions,” said Suk Lee, senior director of Design Infrastructure Marketing Division at TSMC. “The Arm Neoverse ecosystem leverages our most advanced processes to provide the highest performance solutions to a highly connected world.”


Xilinx

“High-performance IP, along with a complete ecosystem, enables customers to take full advantage of the flexibility inherent in our Arm-based products, said Gaurav Singh, vice president, architecture and verification, Xilinx. “The evolution of these cores, coupled with the capability of CCIX, provide an ideal platform for smart offload and purpose-driven edge compute platforms. We congratulate Arm on the launch of Neoverse and are looking forward to what it might enable.”


Qualcomm

Qualcomm has already has released 2 generations of Windows laptop chipsets on ARM, and is aiming for a third generation to ship this spring.   The latest, the Qualcomm 1000 chipset will be a major expansion of the ARM PC chipset designs.   But remember please, the Qualcomm 1000 is simply a "built on ARM technology" customization of the ARM Deimos design generation, nothing more.
   Qualcomm will release new follow on chipsets to match the next 4 waves of ARM PC releases.
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