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Title: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/25/18 at 19:15:50 https://thehackernews.com/2018/05/fourth-critical-spectre-cpu-flaw.html https://liliputing.com/2018/05/intels-hardware-based-spectre-mitigations-wont-protect-against-variant-4-or-later.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/spectre_02.jpg Spectre Variant 4 is a speculative execution side channel vulnerability similar to other Spectre variants. It was disclosed this week by Google’s Project Zero and Microsoft’s Security Response Center, and Intel notes that there are already web browser updates designed to help protect users against attacks based on the Variant 4 vulnerability. That’s a good thing because this sort of attack is most likely to be executed in runtimes such as JavaScript that are used in web browsers. In fact, while Intel says it’s already started making microcode updates available to partners to help mitigate the risk of Spectre Variant 4, the company says it’s set to off by default, since this vulnerability isn’t considered quite as critical as some of the others. Computer makers and software vendors will be able to turn on the microcode if they want extra protection, but Intel says that with the feature enabled, computer users may see a 2 to 8 percent drop in performance in benchmarks (and maybe in real-world performance). Update: Intel says it’s added functionality to its microcode called a Speculative Store Bypass Disable (SSBD) bid that can be used to help offer protection against this and future vulnerabilities. Intel says it will take until 2019 to fix these new items first reported in early 2018, things that Intel requested that the discoverers hold in secret until Intel could work on it some. Intel just lost another 2-8% of performance, in other words ...... "..... and Intel notes that there are already web browser updates designed to help protect users against attacks based on the Variant 4 vulnerability." This translates into Google and Chrome Browser didn't stick their finger up their butt for 4 months like Intel did -- they have already fixed what they can as far as browser attack vectors go. Intel has again, done nothing to fix their issues. |
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Title: Re: 2018 new Intel chips can't protect Specter 4 Post by Oldfeller on 05/28/18 at 06:56:38 https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/05/27/intel-could-pay-a-costly-price-for-its-10nm-chip-p.aspx Intel Could Pay Dearly for Its 10nm Chip Production Delay In a nutshell -- AMD is going to 7nm gen 2 at TSMC for main chipset production in 2018-19 time frame. AMD is at 10nm right now on some of its processor lines, with both Samsung and TSMC making chipsets for AMD at 10nm. TSMC will produce 7nm chipsets for AMD off their 2nd generation 7nm process as soon as Apple gets off of the equipment (Apple has new 5nm lines being installed in a new building as we speak). The CEO of Intel has just announced their 10nm process won't be first run production ready until 2020 --- and Intel stock just took a broad based hit when they said that publicly at a show event. |
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Title: Re: 2018 new Intel chips can't protect Specter 4 Post by Oldfeller on 05/29/18 at 22:00:46 https://www.semiaccurate.com/2018/05/29/is-intels-upcoming-10nm-launch-real-or-a-pr-stunt/ What SemiAccurate has learned about Intel’s upcoming 10nm ‘release’ paints a contradictory picture for the company. It is the polar opposite of a real launch of a manufacturable product, i.e. just a PR stunt to keep the stock price from crashing. May 29, 2018 article in blue by Charlie Demerjian Authors Note: This article and analysis would normally be for subscribers only, however we feel a duty to inform the public of the facts in this instance. Define Real: In a really nice find, ComputerBase found a Lenovo Ideapad 330 with a 10nm Cannon Lake CPU aboard. This means Intel’s 10nm process is all on track and everything is all right, right? That is the intended message but it both contradicts what SemiAccurate moles have been saying for years now and Intel’s CEO have been saying for weeks, that the 10nm process doesn’t work. But it is coming out, right? Right. So what is actually going on? Why Now, Why This?: So why is Lenovo putting this turkey out? Do they have a warehouse full of them that someone else needs the space for? Do they see an up side that isn’t portrayed by the specs, tech, manufacturability, or anything else? Is the device actually real or is it just an error in a database scheduled quarters ago that someone forgot to delete? SemiAccurate once again dug in and found out all the details. The idea is pretty simple, Intel needs to book a win to counteract the well deserved pain it is getting from the 10nm meltdown. Since their PR strategy has made them universally hated among the press, there are few sympathetic ears out there other than paid shills. Even the most ardent of sycophants are calling Intel out on their spurious claims so for the company, it is put up or shut up time. So Intel is going to make it look like they are putting up while not actually doing so because they can’t. The 10nm process simply not working is the spanner in the works in case you didn’t get it. Twist Arm Backwards: Intel can’t make 10nm parts at economically viable yields. Intel can’t make 10nm parts that have a salable feature set. Intel can’t make 10nm parts that beat their 14nm predecessors. But they can make small numbers of 10nm parts that, when you fuse half the die off, kinda sorta work at twice the power levels of the 14nm parts, just slower. If you take a fraction of the top bin of these parts, you get the killer device known as i3-8121U that literally none of the OEMs want to touch with a 10 foot pole because it will be death on the shelves. Even if Intel subsidizes these parts to zero or below, the chips wouldn’t sell other than to geeks and reviewers. Why? Because battery life will be abysmal. Even if in real world use the CPU TDP isn’t 2x that of the 14nm parts, it is significantly more, and the external GPU that can never be turned off will eat up a chunk more too. This isn’t going to be a laptop that wins awards and everyone in the supply chain and OEM community knows it. To sell them, Intel needs to twist arms. And that is exactly what SemiAccurate’s sources tell us they are doing. Stunts Ahoy!: We are told that this PR stunt is going to be quite bounded for several reasons. First is the cost of making these CPUs, a large multiple of the cost of the 14nm parts. Second is supply, Intel is taking the top bin of the 10nm production lot, screening those, and ending up with the 8121U, two cores and no working GPU. Think about the piles of very expensive sand chunks that didn’t make the cut, a fraction of the top bin is not a huge percentage. Third they won’t sell on merit either to the OEMs or the public so there has to be a lot of subsidy dollars involved, directly or indirectly. SemiAccurate is told that still isn’t enough so Intel is politely applying pressure to grease the OEM wheels. At this point OEMs are smiling and nodding because they have to. Intel has scraped up about 100K chips that meet the cut to distribute among OEMs. Each OEM has been asked to make one model featuring a 10nm part and to “Make it look real“. Depending on the number of OEMs that get blessed with these parts, each one should receive between 5-20K chips to sell to the public, then job done. (Note 3: We are told this 100K is a one time deal and will not be followed up by more i3-8121Us or any other 10nm parts until volume production ramps again in well over a year from now) Officially Intel now has a triumphant launch of 10nm parts across a dozen or so OEMs which has to be real, right? The 10nm parts work, obviously have been in production since late 2017 as Intel said, and the crushing 10nm problems are anything but. Could a dozen OEMs make a dozen laptops if there were really crippling production problems? Intel is going to try and spin the 10nm meltdown as a "correct management choice" aided by this very very expensive staged "data point". A Little Math: Think back to the past 20 or so chip launches that were actually real, each was preceded by a claim of dozens of OEMs and a wall of laptops sporting the devices. Any guesses what we will see at Computex this year? This whole 10nm ‘launch’ is designed to look real by being designed to look like the past launches even if there is no way it could be. If you look at the numbers, Intel sells about 250M chips a year now, give or take a few tens of millions. Lets call it 667K a day or so, weekends and holidays included. That means that the 100K 10nm CPUs Intel is forcing OEMs to take account for ~15% of ONE DAY’S production at Intel or 0.0004% of their yearly output. Now think back to Intel’s statement that production has been going on since late 2017 and everything is fine. It took the company six months to make 15% of a single day’s output volume for their entire 10nm output. And half of those chips (the CPU half) flat out doesn’t work. Still think nothing is wrong with 10nm? Still think it is ‘going as planned’? Still think they know what the problem is? Still think they have a fix? Still think that production will ramp in 2019 as promised? Not The End Of This Story: In the end we have a chip being built on a troubled 10nm process. In six months Intel can make 15% of a day’s production on those production lines. The resultant chips are abjectly broken, they are 2+1 but the +1 doesn’t work which means they are selling a sorted to death CPU with half the die turned off, an expensive proposition given the cost of the process and the shatteringly low yields. Even with the GPU turned off, the resultant CPU uses twice the power of the 14nm devices to run slower than those with a GPU. OEMs won’t touch these 10nm parts either voluntarily or with ‘standard bribes’ so Intel has to twist arms and force the OEMs to make some laptops just to “Make it look real“. Why? To put out a data point that they can build ‘truth’ and ‘alternative facts’ around when it comes time to talk to analysts. The 10nm Cannon Lake parts aren’t real and never will be viable, financially or technically speaking. Feel free to believe the PR messaging if you want, but you can’t say you don’t know what is really going on now. Things to take away from this 10nm mess ...... Intel has gone through their ENTIRE 4 years worth of backlog trial run chipsets ..... sorted them then laser truncated them and sorted them yet again. This was done to 4 years of accumulated 10nm trial run silicone and Intel has already sold what they could of it to China where Intel was careful that the stuff not wind up in the hands of the American Computing Press No BS Benchmark Boys. It is all gone now. THERE WASN'T ENOUGH OF IT TO EVEN NOTICE ..... a 98% scrap rate took place during all that sorting at least. Intel has now attempted to run a brand new production lot, a very simple low end dual core 10nm part in a brand new fresh real production run, and what you read above was the result of that brand new "full production run". The GPU doesn't work, it pulls twice the power that it is supposed to and it runs twice as slow as it is supposed to. And Intel can't fix it and Intel is now really struggling just to get a good enough lie put together to cover up for it. The clearly stated truth is simply too damaging and embarrassing. Intel paid big bucks to run a broken line to make up a steaming pile of broken crap just so they could say "We are in production at 10nm." DO NOT BUY 10nm INTEL PRODUCTS !!!! Both Intel and Microsoft have shown themselves willing to PAY to force OEMs to build a very few pure assed trash BS turkey laptop units just to try to keep their respective corporate images up (and their stock prices from crashing). Intel is staying stuck at 14nm for the foreseeable future. Period. Get used to it. Intel would be smart to just drop all the BS "for appearance only" non-real limited production runs of limping laptops and just go back into their tar pool and stay there until they fix something. Just go soak up all that blackness until they can actually SUCCESSFULLY make them some real 10nm production runs with some good yields of desirable salable FULLY FUNCTIONAL chipsets that will have good test results whenever the benchmark guys finally get their hands on them. Anything other than this is primed to be a REALLY BIG black eye for Intel as the anti-BS benchmark boys and the European Trade Commission people are just sitting out there jest a waiting for Intel to give them another nasty scandal to post all over the internet. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Steve H on 05/31/18 at 15:20:53 So why is it that intel can't get their act together? have they fired too many people who actually know how to do this stuff? Did they latch onto a crap way to do it at the outset and fear changing would make them look bad? Are their designs just not capable of getting that small because of the heat generated and not being able to sink it on such a small die? I see what you are saying about this 'rollout' being a marketing ploy. It's good that someone is keeping up enough with what's happening to pass out warnings to everyone else. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 05/31/18 at 17:08:25 My gut is that Intel was and is the best in the world at doing dinosaur type things. We all used to do it that way and that is what Intel has specialized in and was very very successful in doing that for a long long time. Sad thing is that the era of the dinosaur is over now but Intel has no skills in the new world of mobile / automotive tech and their same old same old tricks simply aren't cutting it any more, no matter how many large 14nm heater cores they put out there to share the task loads in super massive parallel, they simply aren't ever gonna win again. Intel is simply past the point of diminishing returns ...... Intel is simply some thick slowly popping bubbles coming up from below the surface of the tar pit. ================================================== Intel has "announced" today that they are going to compete against AMD and Quacomm ----- wait for it ----- using their Xenon rackspace technology swinging core counts of 48 and 72 cores. Folks, are you willing to pay the cost for a 48 core processor built by Intel off their 14nm technology? You are talking $8,000 -$12,000 just for the processor (if it is on sale no less). One thinks perhaps the Intel PR BS boys got confused between Rackspace PR BS and Consumer PR BS as already nobody can afford Intel's current Core i9 consumer products with 8-12 cores. In any case, there are no consumer power supplies big enough to support 72 Intel cores, that sort of action generally requires a rack sized separate power supply. We shall see. Qualcomm and Microsoft are planning custom built ARM tech SoCs based off the A-76 generation and that gives Intel a problem, because as soon as MS really begins programming for ARM in a primary fashion, then Intel goes below the tar surface level permanently. :P |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 06/07/18 at 11:06:55 https://liliputing.com/2018/06/report-qualcomm-snapdragon-1000-could-be-a-12-watt-processor-for-windows-10-computers.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/sd850_10-1-680x363.jpg Red = Qualcomm Green = AMD Gray = Intel Qualcomm’s first new processor designed specifically for Windows on ARM computers is coming this year. But the upcoming Qualcomm Snapdragon 850 is basically an overclocked and slightly modified version of the Snapdragon 845 chip used in smartphones. Qualcomm says it should offer a 30 percent performance boost over the Snapdragon 835 chip used in the HP Envy x2, Asus NovaGo, and Lenovo Miix 630, but the company may have a much more powerful solution on the way. According to a report from WinFuture, Qualcomm is already working on a Snapdragon 1000 chip set to be unveiled later this year. While there aren’t a lot of details about what to expect in terms of performance, the new chip is said to have a 12 watt TDP, which is nearly twice the 6.5 watt max TDP for the Snapdragon 850. ================================================== Qualcomm explains their new SoC naming conventions, somewhat. 200 series = IoT chipsets 400 series = SoC with 2-4 littles in it, your basic cheap low power phone, still sold for lowest of the low phones 600 series = SoC with 6-8 cores, some all littles, some mixed with older "big cores" was mid range, is now considered "value series" for phones 700 series = SoC with 8 cores, various combinations that make up a mid range full featured SoCs for phones, can use older generation cores occasionally. (Core i3 equivalent -- can be used in tablets also) 800 series = SoC with 8 modern generation cores, generally 4 littles & 4 bigs always make up this years or last years top of the line phone primo chipsets (Core i5 equivalent -- can be used in laptops and tablets also) 900 series = future SoC with full phone and current run of the mill Laptop power levels (Core i5 equivalent) not generally used in phones 1000 series = future SoC with greatly expanded capabilities, full Laptop and Desktop grade power levels. No known Intel equivalent known at this time, but Core i5-i7 would be a place to start. not generally used in phones |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 06/08/18 at 19:47:16 WHAT THE INTEL WIZARDS HAD HIDDEN BEHIND THE CURTAINS AT THE COMPUTEX SHOW OUTRAGES THE FANS AND SCANDALIZES THE REVIEWERS WHO WERE IMMEDIATELY UP ON THE STAGE BEFORE ANYTHING COULD BE REMOVED AT THE INTEL COMPUTEX KEYNOTE PRESENTATION And this is from Forbes, a financial magazine who covered the Computex show from a financial point of view. Forbes found Intel to be lacking in candor, a thing that gets you fired from the FBI lately and puts you in danger of going to jail if you work for the government when you do this lack of candor thing on an official level. Intel ain't got any candor at all apparently -- and Forbes is calling them on it suggesting that perhaps other financial information provided for Intel investors may be getting "spun" by these same sorts of tactics. https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2018/06/08/intels-shady-tactics-revealed-pc-enthusiasts-furious-over-28-core-5ghz-processor/#177072e671cc https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-28-core-cpu-5ghz,37244.html Intel's lying and trickery sink to a new low (behind the scenes look at Intel's just announced 28 core 5GHZ processor, motherboard and cooler as announced at Computex this past week) Intel's Shady Tactics Revealed: PC Enthusiasts Furious Over 28-Core 5GHz Processor Intel has caused a huge backlash from the PC enthusiast community with the way it revealed a surprise 28-core processor at the Computex trade show this week. Intel was first up in the speaker order and used this to announce what many believed from the announcement would be its next high-end flagship processor - a 28-core monster that sees a 10-core increase compared to its current desktop flagship, the Core i9-7980XE, which has 18 cores. However, Intel's illegitimate chicanery showed the new CPU running at 5GHz on all cores, which was due to some out of the ordinary extreme overclocking, which allowed many to think it had an AMD Threadripper-beating product on its hands. This was an intentionally done false impression, foisted by the use of hidden rack sized mother board, a huge independent power supply and a HUGE industrial refrigerant water chiller that was required to cool the beast when it was briefly running at a 5 ghz speed. Once again, it has since come to light that Intel's new CPU will not only be huge and require an equally huge processor socket and an industrial strength extensive power circuitry, most likely making motherboards very expensive, but it has been revealed that to get the CPU to run at 5GHz it was dangerously overclocked and it had to be cooled by an expensive high-power industrial refrigerant water chiller. http://https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Fantonyleather%2Ffiles%2F2018%2F06%2FaHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS9BL0ovNzc2NjgzL29yaWdpbmFsL0lNR180Nzk3LkpQRw-1200x799.jpg Toms Hardware The motherboard Intel used to benchmark its 28-core processor doesn't appear to be aimed at desktop PCs at all. http://https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Fantonyleather%2Ffiles%2F2018%2F06%2FaHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS9EL1ovNzc2ODA3L29yaWdpbmFsLzIwMTgwNjA2XzA4NTc0MC5qcGc.jpg Toms Hardware Intel used an industrial sized water-chiller to cool the 28-core CPU so it could reach 5GHz when overclocked - not exactly what you're typical enthusiast or even high-end content creator does. PC enthusiasts and journalists have responded to these findings with anger claiming Intel should have made it clearer that the CPU was overclocked, that the test system was using a server-class motherboard and more importantly that the CPU was using exotic refrigerant cooling and not off-the-shelf liquid or air cooling. All the Intel fans cheering in the stands now feel like stupid trust abused pawn'd-boys since they had bought the BS PR hook line and sinker. AMD revealed its hand soon after this backfiring Intel lying mess in its own keynote presentation - which was simple, inside 90 days AMD is bringing out a 32-core 2nd Generation Threadripper, which trumps Intel's fraudulent entry by four cores. The AMD case was on top of the table and was door open so you could see normal type water cooling and a normal sized power supply. This AMD effort was warmly received by the crowd, but since it was only running a doable 4.2 ghz it wasn't seen to be as good as the Intel 5 ghz BS shown just previously. AMD, by contrast, stated with complete candor that its 2nd Generation Threadripper CPUs will be compatible with current desktop X399 motherboards, requiring a BIOS update but no hardware or socket change with a rough idea of power consumption, with TDPs in the region of 250W. The disparity in honesty and candor between the two companies quickly became the real take away from the two presentations. And then the wave of anger and outrage from the various tech magazine reviewers began to hit the web making even more news. Another difference is Intel's CPUs are clearly ports from their existing server line-ups while AMD's pre-existing standard Threadripper motherboard already had two full sized sockets under the hood with ample connection room anyway, so all AMD has had to do is fully pack and activate these sockets to double the core count from 16 with the Threadripper 1950X to 32 with its new desktop flagship CPUs. This means AMD's tech is real, already has shipped in volume to the public and just requires two new CPU cores and a bios update should you already own the motherboard. Intel, on the other hand, is looking at designing a whole new giant rack sized motherboard, a HUGE new set of sockets with what appears to be over 1,000 extra pins per socket compared to the existing LGA2066 socket for its Skylake-X CPUs. None of this Intel hardware actually exists for consumers right now AT ALL and it is now likely that it never will exist now that it has been outed as a complete fraud. There is, of course, the outside chance that this is simply very very early technology and that the company was merely teasing the audience and trying to steal AMD's thunder from the AMD announcement, but the lack of clarity and candor shown here has backfired on Intel quite badly, damaging Intel's image and trust levels. The press and the Intel fans are apparently quite tired of being lied to ROUTINELY by Intel ...... It remains to be seen what Intel's plans are for its next generation of high-end desktop processors, although the word is that there is a real CPU and a work in progress, but AMD looks actually set to offer new Threadripper CPUs in the next few months with up to 32 cores. I'll hopefully be taking a look when they arrive so make sure you follow me here on Forbes or at the various social media channels below. ::) ::) ::) ::) Intel needs to hire some much classier, more upscale, much much much better liars for its Marketing Dept. Tom's Hardware tracked down the actual rig itself as Intel was trying to take it off the stage and Tom's took all the pictures to expose this fraud -- Tom's Hardware and Ars Technica then attempted to get Intel senior management to clarify what the heck just took place. As a follow up series, this is priceless ...... and shows just how far Intel will go to put up an false image that has no reality behind it at all. Now you understand why the understated Forbes financial magazine charges of "lack of candor" and why Forbes covered it from that angle. The proof of Intel's BS lying was of more importance to Forbes investors than any little current changes in technology. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-28-core-cpu-5ghz,37244.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-28-core-processor-5ghz-motherboard,37213.html |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 06/08/18 at 22:23:58 Well, I guess it is time for me to say that Intel is going down deeper into the rapidly rotating flush whirlpool now. It is bad, getting called out for lying at Computex during your keynote presentation. Can Intel pull this situation out their butt? Only if they can cram 28 cores of their kind of stuff into less than half the space their stuff actually takes up and make it run faster than squat without using FREON refrigerant cooling ..... Perhaps, if Intel could go buy a 5nm production machine from ASLM and hire ASLM to come run it for them until Intel manages to redesign a x86 product that will run on it reliably with high yields then they could have some sort of future footprint in personal computing. Or, smarter yet, simply have TSMC simply run some chipsets for them at 7nm and 5nm and 3nm when the time gets here. Issue then becomes that Intel has not a clue how to make a SoC product and has none of the needed technologies in house or ready to use. =================================================== I am looking to see Intel unleash a "dirty tricks" attack or two on AMD and Qualcomm any day now, since Intel has no competitive counter product to show to either competitor and has no concrete plan to develop one. Intel has GOT to slow down AMD and Qualcomm RIGHT NOW or the market share losses they will suffer this year are not ever coming back. Once again, Intel is down to its bag of dirty tricks as its only recourse. Derailing competitors with nonsense 3rd party lawsuits and orchestrating attempted buy outs are only two of Intel's many many dirty tricks that they keep in that nasty little black bag. :P More dirty tricks are on the way ...... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 06/10/18 at 09:01:09 https://www.techspot.com/news/75009-intel-28-core-fantasy-vs-amd-32-core.html I did mention the outraged and angry foaming at the mouth PC press review people about Intel's little "liar liar pants on fire" presentation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTTPSuH24b8 its a YouTube, click on it https://appuals.com/intel-28-core-cpu-pr-stunt/ Forbes finally got Intel personnel to attempt to explain what they did (and why) --- what becomes clear is that Intel just can't keep from compounding their lies with MORE LIES that are even less likely than the ones before. You say the Intel presenters got confused which show they were at ??? They put together the presentation slides and the see me case showing all the super duper gaming type decorative items and then ran the output video and keyboard connections to the concealed ugly rackspace board which was hooked up to the supercooler? They did this saying the special processor and ugly motherboard and the refrigerant cooler and the super power supply hardware was all supposedly intended for an upcoming rackspace overclocking demonstration ??? :-? yeah, sure --- rackspace people don't ever over clock their motherboards, ever. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/06/08/intel-explains-why-it-didnt-disclose-5ghz-overclock-during-computex-demo/#556c5f12d88c New knowledge ....... The supercooler was in a soundproof enclosure with air flow sonic baffles located underneath the curtained table because it was WAY TOO NOISY --- hey how about you didn't want people at the show to be able to see neither the big ugly motherboard mounting the special sorted chipset, NOR the refrigerant super cooler set up NOR the giant power supply unit that your dirty little trick depended upon. HOW BIG was that power supply? 1,300 watts total ability, supplied over 1,000 watts during the demo. HOW COLD was the refrigeration cooling system? -40 degrees F Next item, the sheer amount of effort that had to be spent sorting and "binning' just to find a single chipset that could overclock a single 2.4 ghz core up to over 5 ghz (no matter what power supply and what cooling system was used). Multiply this amount of effort now, multiply it enough to find one, just one chipset and socket set that could handle this sort of action on ALL 28 CORES AT THE SAME TIME ...... the amount of effort spent in "binning" just to find these items was fairly astronomical all by itself according to the Tom's Hardware people. Next, the service life of that special binned chipset would likely be measured in 10's of hours, not in 100 thousands of hours. Overclocking at those voltages and frequencies (at over 200% performance increase) is well past what even crazy enthusiasts would attempt to do for long. How many times has Intel done completely fraudulent tricks like this, but because they were Intel and they were trusted, they got clean away with this sort of bullshite? Do they discover these special chipsets early on and carefully keep them so they can use them during demos? How many times has the system you can see up on the table, it has NOT been the one driving the screen and the input devices, but instead a carefully sorted and binned "special refrigerant cooled rig" in an acoustical box under the table was what was actually hooked up and running the benchmark test? :P Sorry boys, all that naive trust from years past is all gone now. With Intel, what you see is NOT what you get. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 06/12/18 at 11:16:11 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-ceo-amd-server-market,37273.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-cpu-10nm-earnings-amd,36967.html https://www.barrons.com/articles/tech-today-intel-vs-amd-instagrams-revenue-microsofts-games-1528724509 OK, this time it is Barron's (a major source for financial news), Instinet (a major internet financial newspaper) and Tom's Hardware reporting on interviews granted by Intel CEO Brian Krzanich to Instinet's analyst Roman Shah, this "3 confirming sources" reporting that gives us some real insight into the surprising scope of AMD's threat to Intel. This isn't lower level marketing pukes playing stupid misleading tricks at a tech show, this is 3 MAJOR financial and tech news sources reporting interviews directly from the Intel CEO's mouth. This is hard news, take it to the bank news. "Shah relates that Krzanich "was very matter-of-fact in saying that Intel would lose server share to AMD in the second half of the year,” which is not news, but he thought it significant that "Mr. Krzanich did not draw a firm line in the sand as it relates to AMD’s potential gains in servers; he only indicated that it was Intel’s job to not let AMD capture more than 15-20% market share." AMD has made tremendous inroads into the all-important OEM market with wins at several blue-chip companies, such as Lenovo, HPE, Cisco, and Dell/EMC. AMD also has several wins with the large hyperscale data centers, like Baidu, that have increasing sway in the industry. There are widespread reports that several hyperscalers are ramping EPYC deployments in the second half, but we haven't confirmed those reports independently. It's clear that AMD is making progress at an impressive clip. Meanwhile, Intel has spent the last year transitioning to "data-centric" businesses, which are largely composed of data center processors. This comes as the company reduces its reliance on the bread-and-butter PC segment. Intel's DCG (Data Center Group) contributed 46% of Intel's revenue in Q1, so that plan is apparently on track. According to Shah's report, now Intel is bracing for the EPYC impact on one of its most important revenue generating segments. AMD has already made impressive progress in the desktop PC market, too, but adding pressure in the server market is certain to have a much larger impact on Intel than we see on the surface. The data center has long been the land of high margins for Intel, and Intel might have to get more price-competitive in key portions of its product stack, especially with high-volume customers. That means EPYC could affect Intel's bottom line even beyond the more-visible loss of market share. AMD's early push to the 7nm process is particularly threatening to Intel as Intel remains mired on the 14nm process. Even more concerning from a long-term perspective, there are emerging reports that Chengdu Haiguang IC Design Co, part of AMD's THATIC joint-venture in China, is releasing "Dhyana" servers that come wielding the Zen microarchitecture courtesy of the licensing agreement with AMD. That opens up yet another battlefront for Intel to contend with. The Chinese government is intensely focused on indigenous chip production, meaning that it provides incentives and other measures to prop up domestic chip production. China is the world's fastest-growing server market, so losing ground to Zen-based processors in China is a looming threat that Intel can't afford to ignore. AMD is being asked by China to license AMD Zen tech to them at 10nm and 7nm and AMD has done so. Intel is now a dead man walking as Intel's bag of dirty tricks might forestall AMD for a year or so, but with China is pushing ahead at Chinese speed on new foundries using brand new ASLM lithography lines wielding ZEN server chip technology Intel will wind up losing far far more than 20% market share worldwide. Intel cannot compete features or performance-wise at all right now (as they just showed us very clearly at Computex) and Intel's dirty tricks dept. cannot wield any form of legal trickery that will be effective to slow the loss of their most lucrative new market segment directly to the Chinese government's very own new foundries. Remember, China itself is the major new customer for that product being produced at these brand new foundries. ::) A subtle point here: AMD is not likely to share with China their very best newest ground breaking technology, just the more mature stuff they are getting ready to replace inside the next 24 months ...... Chinese spies inside AMD can still get hold of and leak all the newest stuff, and since China is on record as licensing Zen server chip tech to China it will be all but impossible to sort it all out "after the fact". |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 06/21/18 at 14:53:17 http://https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2018/01/03/104926208-GettyImages-853791956.160x105.jpg?v=1529596252 Intel internally forces out Brian Krzanich in disgrace https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/21/intel-ceo-brian-krzanich-to-step-down-bob-swan-to-step-in-as-interim-ceo.html Read it and realize that the ostensible reason given for the ouster is a 2 year old, quite minor, quite dated, quite moldy VERY VERY OLD reason. Realize that what Intel really really wanted was any acceptable reason to ouster a very very ineffective leader who exhibited very poor judgement without causing their stock value to tank any worse than it has already done. So this is Intel's lying spin story and they are sticking to it. What happened last week at the Computex show and in the Krzanich interviews he gave the next day had nothing to do with Intel kicking out their current CEO, nothing at all ....... Right ...... Nor did the 10% stock price decline that accompanied these dual paragons of poor judgment. Nor did Intel's senior management team's poor judgement in kicking Krazanich out so abruptly -- that all rounds the stock dip up to 25% as of today. Smmooooth move, Intel, really really smmooooth. Dig a big 'ol hole with your mouth, the lot of you. Intel has gotten so very very bad at lying convincingly, they really suck at the big lie now, really. ::) |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 06/22/18 at 05:08:45 Intel now has a chance to regroup, having gotten rid of that completely ball less monstrosity they had for a CEO. We expect to see some fresh Godzilla action coming soon, a return to a competitive mindset and a forgoing of the sluggish defeatism that characterized Krzanich's latter reign. However, Intel still has to go outside the company now to get the tech they need. Intel has to get current ASLM lithography lines and make a compact with some current 7nm supplier to share their technology. Intel is just like the other players now, but they have all realized they cannot do it alone and have already made their groupings and tech sharing agreements. ::) Quit with the constant lies and make yourself some friends, Intel |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 06/24/18 at 07:05:37 https://wccftech.com/amd-7nm-vega-gpu-zen-2-cpu-mass-production-tsmc/ TSMC Begins Mass Production of 7nm Process, AMD Vega 7nm Confirmed, Zen 2 CPUs Expected Too – Production Capacity To Increase By 3 Times Next Year Intel, firing your CEO doesn't change the evil things you have done to yourself over the last 5 years http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/IMG_20180606_113243-copy-740x555.jpg AMD CEO Lisa Su holds up an old 14 nm Epyc dual processor set next to a new 7nm four core processor for size comparison. Lisa thinks she perhaps can take a 35-50% new sales market share THIS YEAR ..... with her limitation coming from total 7nm production capacity. Taiwanese Semiconductor Manufacturing Company or TSMC has just confirmed that the mass production of their 7nm process node has just begun. The 7nm process would be used in new products which include orders from AMD too, who will be using the process to leverage their upcoming GPU and CPU hardware. AMD 7nm Vega and 7nm Zen 2 CPUs Orders Received by TSMC, 7nm Mass Production Officially Begins In a report published by Chinatimes, TSMC has officially begun mass production of their 7nm node at their Fab 15. It is stated that TSMC has already confirmed the production of AMD 7nm GPUs that are part of their Radeon Instinct and Radeon Pro lineups, expected to hit market availability in 2H 2018. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 06/26/18 at 06:37:11 https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3034722/qualcomm-snapdragon-1000-looks-to-take-on-intels-low-end-core-i-cpus http://https://www.theinquirer.net/w-images/5d52d519-b545-4451-9677-aafc9f9fa7a2/1/qualcommsnapdragonandchip-580x358.jpg Qualcomm's Snapdragon 1000 chip looks to take on Intel's low-end Core i5 laptop CPUs CHIP SUPREMACY tends to involve Intel and AMD duking it out over core and thread counts, but Qualcomm is taking a different tact by aiming to challenge Intel at the low-end with its Snapdragon 1000 SoC. While Qualcomm hasn't officially revealed the Snapdragon chip, WinFuture has the lowdown on the latest slice of silicon from the firm, aimed not at smartphones but at driving low-power, slim Windows 10 computers under the Always-Connected PCs initiative. When it comes to powering such devices, Intel's Y and U-series Core I processors have held sway, balancing performance with power-sipping credentials. But some of these processors are somewhat lacklustre, which is why the Snapdragon 1000 apparently has a thermal design power of 12W. That's nearly three times the power draw of Intel's Y-series processors and just 3W behind the chipmaker's U-series chips. As such, the Snapdragon 1000 should be able to draw upon enough power to give it a boost in performance that's comparable to the more prominent low-end laptop chips. The Snapdragon 1000 promises to be a gutsier chipset than the Snapdragon 850 announced earlier this month, which is basically a re-designed Snapdragon 845 chip designed to run Windows 10. Sporting ARM Cortex-A76 cores and using a 7nm fabrication process, the Snapdragon 1000 is expected to be comparable to a 15W Intel U-series Core i5, though we'll have to wait and see if such expectations come to fruition. But such a chip could really challenge Intel at the low-power laptop and hybrid end of the PC market. And such a challenge is not something Intel really needs, given it already has AMD snapping at it once again with its second-generation Ryzen and Threadripper processors, as well as SoCs that have noteworthy graphical chops to beat Intel's own integrated graphics in laptop chips. Things to watch out for ....... Huawei and other suppliers building their own "me too" laptop chipsets to take a slice out of the vulnerable Intel market share pie. Remember how fast these Chinese guys move ---- they may actually beat Qualcomm to the punch even starting from "go" right now. Seems like the CAD terminals at Qualcomm can actually co-print out over in in China sometimes, doesn't it? If ARM or Google comes out with any form of "industry standard" for this activity (say chromebooks and laptops using the same genericized ARM chip formats) then Intel is deeply, deeply, possibly fatally wounded at that point in time. Watch out for 96 Boards to come out with an A-76 laptop reference board (ARM based general industry standards show up here first) or for Google to come out with an A-76 based OP2 or OP3 processor set (Google standard Chromebook and tablet processor/board pre-approved hardware). These will not be Qualcomm stuff, but generic ARM based standards that everybody can use. Qualcomm tweeks the ARM standard for their stuff with somewhat relatively minor improvements using a "Built on ARM Technology License" and that is all they have actually done with the Qualcomm 850 and Qualcomm 1000 -- just minor tweeks to DynamIQ components done while working together with Microsoft. It is supremely important for MS to stay central to this progress --- absolutely vital. Mickey needs to rewrite and cooperate like it has never done before ...... if not then Fuchsia is over there in the wings and Google is jest a grinning at the chance to use it. Look for extra care to be taken ramping in a new ARM laptop generation with several pilot revisions being done before final release to "modernize away" any nagging bugs. Look to see the lifetime support "standard time" for new ARM laptop design shoot up towards 6-10 years immediately on the laptop grade chipsets. The choice to put these new chipsets into SOCKETS is not being done by error -- having the ability to pop in a corrected chipset means the potential cost of warranty on any A76 generation laptop unit becomes somewhat more manageable. Ditto for providing for some generational style upgrades as long as the socket is pin compatible to the new chipsets ...... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 06/27/18 at 12:29:47 https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/qualcomm-snapdragon-1000-details/ http://https://icdn6.digitaltrends.com/image/qualcomm-snapdragon-845-2-720x720.jpg This is the real size of a Snapdragon 845 chipset. Take a look at an imaginary rectangle that the pushpin just fits on, corner to corner, and that is the Snapdragon 1000's proposed size. New details about the rumored Qualcomm Snapdragon 1000 system on chip (SoC) suggest that it will be powerful enough to compete directly with Intel’s Y- and U-series Core processors, but do so with a lower power draw. Better yet, we’re told it’s physically smaller too, despite being much larger than Qualcomm’s typical Snapdragon SoCs. Qualcomm’s Snapdragon processors are typically used in mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets. They offer good general processing and graphics performance at a lower power draw than chips from the typical desktop manufacturers like Intel and AMD. However, laptop manufacturers have begun to offer Qualcomm-equipped systems to those wanting an alternative option and the Snapdragon 1000 could be the most impressive offering in that space to date. The latest details come from a report by German website, WinFuture, which claims that it will be an even more powerful chip than the already laptop-oriented Snapdragon 850 (a higher-clocked, optimized for Windows PCs SoC). Ars Technica translates that the Snapdragon 1000 will have a total power draw of 12w, which puts it squarely between Intel’s 4.5w and 15w Y- and U-series Core CPUs. That power draw is much higher than the upcoming 6.5w pulled by Snapdragon 850 and there’s a larger physical footprint to go with it. Where the 850 measures 12 x 12mm, the 1000 is said to be as large as 20 x 15mm. However, as Ars Technica highlights, that’s still much smaller than Intel’s comparable offerings. It is slated to be roughly as powerful though, with claimed performance around that of 2017 Intel Core CPUs. If that turns out to be true, that would mean a significant new wrinkle in the Windows laptop canvas, as it could mean smaller devices, with lower-profile cooling options and better battery life all in one package. While we’ll need to wait to hear the official announcements to learn how accurate these early claims are, if they turn out to be true, Qualcomm could become a serious competitor in the laptop hardware space in the near future. With AMD’s Ryzen CPU drive over the past year and its intriguing APU offerings providing serious graphical competition for Intel, the portable computing market is more intriguing and wide today than it’s been in years. Considering how much desktop PC gamers have suffered in the past year, that’s a refreshing change of pace. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 06/30/18 at 08:03:23 https://www.barrons.com/articles/intels-optane-chips-getting-closer-to-changing-computing-1530216784 More BS Intel PR being reported yet again, Optane isn't going anywhere except in Intel's wet dreams ..... http://https://asset.barrons.com/public/resources/images/ON-CO969_IntelO_D_20180628151544.jpg OK, this is compare and contrast time. Intel Optane vs Samsung, Micron and all the rest. In 2015, Intel made a big noise about Optane (saying the whole world would be running on Optane "phase change" memory inside of six months) and Intel has actually sold some Optane stuff in the last 2 years, but it has only successfully been used as a cache memory of sorts in a few very large rack space applications because Intel found they had early "read/write dependability" slowdown issues and a rather severe cost constraint acting against them. Then Micron jumped ship on the original Optane idea and left the partnership completely this past spring. Micron simply moved over to the Samsung side of things and threw their support behind the newer SD Association standards (currently at level 7) for both the SD/UC and SD/Express standards. Micron has mentioned some vague plans to do something with Optane II down the road (Optane II which is still completely undefined at this point in time). Intel will have no rights to produce Optane III (as it will be designed by Micron at that future point in time). Optane III will require a new brand name then, too, as Intel does share rights to the word "Optane" and Intel has so abused and tarnished the image of the "Optane" brand name that it is unrecoverable at this point. Optane version 2 is muddled, and Micron won't finish working on it until Intel pays for all the Optane they had contracted for last year. So, this can mean a "complete fuzzy something" may come leaping up at the world down the road because "Optane" as a term and as a standard is really truly completely undefined and totally unexplained at this point in time. Literally anything could be "Optane" to Intel's eyes ....... so please, buyer beware on Intel Optane stuff going out into the future. You really DON'T know what you are getting. Impartial 3rd party tests of existing Optane set ups so far show that it does not yield the real performance levels that Intel advertised to sell it to you in the first place. =================================================== So, Intel is the only one producing any of the original Optane at 14nm only at this point in time. Micron, Samsung and the rest are running the new SD Association SD/UC standard at 12nm and at 10nm ..... and have plans to run the SD/Express level at 7nm next year (Samsung is currently starting early memory production at 7nm as we speak so you can easily see where this is headed inside the next 2-3 years). Same general use limitations apply to both Optane and to SD/UC and SD/Express at this point in time --- it really isn't fast enough to run as main systems memory just yet. But it is faster than the older SSD drive tech and certainly faster than any sort of platter hard drives. Cost is still a real issue when you start talking anything about "Terabyte sized" anything in micro SD card sizes. Micro SD cards really are quite expensive once you go past 128 gigabytes heading up towards 258 gigabyte and 516 gigabyte sizes which are all that is available right now to be bought in SD/UC levels 1,2 & 3 on a Micro SD format. These SD/UC levels 1, 2 & 3 cards are somewhat confusing right now, but they are REAL PRODUCTS and because of the current wide acceptance, lower cost and good availability these standards will be the eventual winners over the original Optane from Intel. And yes, you could put your whole hard drive on a multi terabyte micro SD sized card swinging the SD Express double row of contacts "standard socket" starting early of next year. You would need a device swinging the new SD/Express double row socket and some fairly deep pockets, but yes, you could go do it. https://www.cnet.com/news/new-sd-card-uc-express-specs-tout-128tb-max-up-to-almost-1gb-per-sec/ Point to consider, is that when 7nm production actually begins to shift down to 5nm (in 2-3 years from now this may actually happen) we will likely be at the SD Association's level 8 standards, and will still only be using less than half of the total capabilities that the new level 8 standard provides. However, right now the Micro SD/UC grade cards at 10nm (grades 1-3) are readily available and for $18 shipped I found I could buy a 64 gigabyte card that supposedly is just as fast as my new phone can supposedly actually use. Android 8.1 is the first OS level that will supposedly really allow the card to "conjoin" with the 32 gigs of systems memory that comes on the Moto G6 in what is again promised as "a user seamless manner" under the control of an updated Memory Manager (newly re-implemented in Android 8.1). We shall see, my new 64 gig Micro SD/UC-1 card gets here this afternoon. NO, IT IS NOT REAL YET ::) Nope, it is the same old SD stuff, music, pictures and maps and only a very few apps can move over to the SD card at this time even if the SD card is custom formatted and encrypted as "internal" and the Memory Manager is active. Memory Manager simply automatically takes the least used items off your systems memory as it starts to get full and puts those items over on to the SD card. My past experiences with Android phones being able to actually "seamlessly and completely use" the SD card memory WERE NOT REAL on all my past phones and I had hoped that this lack had finally changed for the better. Nope, exactly the same restrictions are on the SD card use as before. Pictures, music, graphics and a few permittable apps are the only things moved over at this time ..... HOWEVER, there is a detailed set of folders created on the drive by the Memory Manager that could be filled up with properly sorted and filed items but that will only happen as your normal memory begins to clog up with stuff. The new "super card" installed as conjoined internal memory cannot be speed tested by any of the the old standard android SD card speed tests as they report it correctly as custom encrypted memory and they never were built to handle that sort of action. :P ........ oh well, I can't even test it to see if it is working right. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 07/02/18 at 06:41:41 https://www.extremetech.com/computing/270550-are-arm-cpu-cores-finally-ready-to-fight-intel-for-the-laptop-market Are ARM CPU Cores Finally Ready to Fight Intel for the Laptop Market? http://https://www.extremetech.com/g00/3_c-6bbb.jcywjrjyjhm.htr_/c-6RTWJUMJZX77x24myyux78x3ax2fx2fbbb.jcywjrjyjhm.htrx2fbu-htsyjsyx2fzuqtfix78x2f7568x2f56x2ffwrunwj-x78ytwrywttujwx78-195c808.oulx3fn65h.rfwpx3dnrflj_$/$/$/$/$/$ Last week, ARM announced its next-generation CPU architecture, the Cortex-A76. We’ve already covered the announcement and initial performance expectations, but in the wake of some additional deep dives and positional information, it’s worth revisiting whether this is finally the CPU that’ll take on Intel in the laptop market. If you listen to ARM, it absolutely is. Mike Filippo, ARM’s chief architect, told CNET that he expects the Cortex-A76, which should be in-hardware by 2019, to have roughly the same performance as a Core i5-7300. Outfitted with more cache, Filippo expects that the Cortex-A76 could even compete with a Core i7. Actually pulling this off, even just in low-power laptops, would be an incredible achievement. But what would it practically mean for the computer industry, and why does so much ink get spent comparing products that have historically enjoyed so little overlap? Intel may have made a great deal of noise about entering the smartphone and tablet market, but it shipped few phones and its Android tablet business has been effectively finished for several years. ARM vs. Intel: A Referendum on Intel CPU Designs The reason these types of comparison spark so much interest, I suspect, is because enthusiasts are hungry to see if Intel (and to an extent the entire semiconductor industry) are telling the truth. For years, the basic messaging from Intel and various institutions has been that CPU performance is at a near-standstill not because of corporate shenanigans, but because the fundamental properties of silicon don’t support clock speeds much above 4.5GHz well, all of the well-known and easy tricks for boosting CPU performance have been played, and the best way to improve the performance of devices is to focus on doing so through other means. Intel, meanwhile, ran into real problems scaling its CPUs down into low power devices, and while we’ve discussed how this was much more a business decision as opposed to a fundamental lack of capability, there are still people who believe that Intel’s refusal to design high-performance microprocessors is responsible for the lack of forward progress. If you subscribe to this argument, Apple’s leadership position in ARM silicon, rumors that it wants to remove Intel CPUs from all of its systems, and the Cortex-A76 are all proof that either Intel or some other fundamental facet of the ecosystem (like the x86 ISA) is holding back computing. In this telling, Intel’s longstanding process node leadership was essentially a desperate attempt to cover for fundamental problems in the x86 ISA that will now be exposed. Exactly what the gains are (or would be) tends to vary — some people think Intel is sitting on performance improvements, while others think it’s power consumption that could be substantially improved. But either way, the idea here is that a new approach to computing driven by ARM would prove superior to anything Intel and the x86 architecture have achieved, throwing open the floodgates to new computing opportunities. What if ARM Builds a Better SoC? For the sake of this discussion, I’m defining “better” to mean “a CPU that matches or exceeds customer performance requirements while matching or exceeding on battery life.” In order to really threaten Intel’s mobile market, a non-x86 CPU will need to demonstrate superiority on at least one of those two metrics. If ARM could pull this off, it could upend the entire PC industry. Being able to smoke Intel on performance or battery life in apples-to-apples comparisons running native code would represent a true coup. It would make those of us who have insisted the laws of physics make this more-or-less impossible look extremely stupid and overturn previous studies on the absolute impact of ISA on CPU performance. But even in a scenario in which ARM has built a better SoC under Windows 10 than Intel fields, both in terms of power consumption and performance, there’s still the minor issue of backwards compatibility and emulation. Reviews of Snapdragon 835 systems have made the point extremely well; emulated 32-bit x86 performance under Windows 10 may help satisfy necessary compatibility requirements to make these systems attractive, but it doesn’t hold a candle to native x86 performance — to say nothing of using 64-bit software. The chance that ARM manages to build a CPU core so superior to an Intel x86 CPU that it can beat the latter when running emulated code is effectively nil. As Microsoft learned with Windows RT, the software compatibility issue is a real problem that can sink an otherwise attractive product if it isn’t properly handled. And while questions of software compatibility are separate from hardware performance, as a practical question of market share we have to address both. Pushing into Intel’s core territory means offering advantages so compelling, people are willing to tolerate some software incompatibilities, which means the gains have to be pretty darn big. I expect the overall impact of the Cortex-A76 on the existing x86 ecosystem to be modest. The performance improvements ARM is promising will improve emulation performance and boost the use of native code. It may help encourage greater adoption of the ARM variant of Windows 10, and since ARM has no real laptop market share, any gains on that front are revenue-positive for the company. ::) Prediction Time: A76 will make inroads into the world of Win 10 machines. In two more years the next one (A78?) from ARM will make even bigger inroads as it will be created specifically to do just that. ARM moves so much quicker than Intel that Intel will never catch up to the current wave of ARM advamcements. A76 will make even bigger motions on the Chromebook platform as a convergence of lower battery consumption and new memory types will make small light Chromebook units punch far far out of their weight class. Intel will HAVE to react and Intel will HAVE to compete. Expect more and better choices from Godzilla as Qualcomm has the right equipment now to "properly motivate" Intel and get them to go past their inertia point. You can jest hear that aluminum baseball bat ring as it hits that bony Intel skull, elbows and knees < tinggg !!! > < tinggg !!! > < tinggg !!! > < tinggg !!! > < tinggg !!! > < tinggg !!! > < tinggg !!! > The sheer pain from the constant bloody beating will make Godzilla stir finally. Microsoft will be faced with a choice, they cannot keep up with both camps by continuing to keep them separate and forcing double work on all their Windows support staff. Eventually one system will be dropped for the other ...... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 07/03/18 at 06:35:12 https://liliputing.com/2018/07/intels-9th-gen-core-chips-are-on-the-way-if-that-means-anything.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/9000-680x375.jpg Intel’s chip-naming convention has gotten kind of weird recently. So I’m not entirely sure what to make of the fact that the company included a bunch of previously unannounced processors in an official document recently. Logically, the new Core i3 and Core i5 9000 Series chips will be branded as part of the company’s 9th-gen Intel Core processor family. But they’re also listed as “Coffee Lake S” chips, suggesting they’ll use the same architecture as some of Intel’s 8th-gen processors (or at least something similar to it. Intel The new CPUs showed up in an updated Intel Microcode Update Guidance document, as noted by VideoCardz and TechSpot. Here’s a list of the new 9000 series processors: Core i3-9000 Core i3-9100 Core i5-9400 Core i5-9400T Core i509500 Core i5-9600 Core i5-9600K There aren’t many details available about these new chips, but the Core i3 versions all seem to be quad-core chips, while the Core i5 processors are hexa-core models. It’s unclear if or when we can expect 9000 Series Core i7 chips. But if these are really Coffee Lake-S chips, I’m not sure what, if any, advantages the 9th-gen versions will have over their 8th-gen counterparts. Intel’s 8th-gen processor lineup is already kind of a mess when it comes to naming. Here are some of the mobile chip families that are all branded as 8th-gen Core processors: 15 watt Kaby Lake Refresh processors 28 watt Coffee Lake-U processors with Iris Plus graphics 45-watt Coffee Lake-H processors 10nm Cannon Lake-U series processors And that’s not even counting the company’s 8th-gen desktop chips. All of which is to say, that simply knowing the chip generation doesn’t tell you much about an Intel processor’s architecture or performance anymore. So while it’s kind of interesting to see that 9th-gen chips are on the way, I honestly have no idea what that even means at this point. What does it mean? Intel has issued new "safer" microcode to slow down the processing on all their old chipsets that are still in wafer production. The stuff they sell from this point forward will SLOW DOWN 2-5% while it does "ongoing mitigation" for the 6-8 versions of Meltdown and Specre that exist as of now. Making a "new 9th generation" out of these "new" slowed down then paper overclocked old processors is a rare form of pure Intel marketing BS nonsense --- certainly it isn't worth popping the cork on the champagne for Intel to celebrate anything (in my eyes, anyway). Calling it a "new 9th generation product" simply says how far down inside the toilet whirlpool Intel is currently rotating. So Intel has actually quit doing some of their stupid predictive processing things that had opened up that huge raft of security issues. To make it back up speed-wise Intel now has put a paper spec "overclock" in place that suspiciously just covers the slow down due to not using predictive processing any more --- goody goody on them. Small lies seem to be working better for you, huh? :-? It is all lies on paper, Intel hasn't changed ANYTHING since last year, really, except for stopping using the predictive stuff (a 5% slowdown that actually can go up to 20% for some certain select workloads) and on the top end chipsets they actually added a couple of more cores, going way past what existing cooling systems can actually handle, which means the whole shebang chokes down due to "self-preservation thermal throttling". Heck, you will get the new slowed down processing stuff FOR FREE eventually without having to buy a new PC if you just wait for the Mickeysoft nightly update that has it in it ....... Who would want to forgo that disastrous pleasure that that particular "break the world update" will bring ???? |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 07/05/18 at 10:23:18 https://liliputing.com/2018/07/samsung-expects-to-develop-3ghz-or-faster-arm-cortex-a76-chips.html Samsung expects to develop 3GHz or faster ARM Cortex-A76 chips for phones, tablets, Chromebooks and Win 10 laptops. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/76-680x383.jpg Samsung has announced that it’s working with ARM on new 7nm and 5nm FinFET process technology that will allow the company to manufacture chips based on ARM’s Cortex-A76 designs with frequencies of 3 GHz or higher. That shouldn’t be a huge surprise — ARM pretty much said when it announced the new design that 7nm Cortex-A76 chips should be capable of 3 GHz+ speeds. But the news here is that Samsung’s Foundry is working on actually building those chips, with plans to deliver the first such chips before the end of the year. So much for all but one of the expected REALLY BIG players (Google has not broached their new phone nor their Chromebook OP3 processor yet) ...... now we wait for Google/HTC/Rockchip to drop their A-76 news and then we will wait still more for all of the rest of the Hockey Stick Boys to go sign up for their 7nm Cortex-A76 licenses and for them to start up their very own TSMC based development for their own witch's brew custom mixtures of old and new stuff to make up their very best FASTEST TO MARKET competitor beating cauldron mixes. ::) |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 07/06/18 at 16:03:08 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/china-zen-x86-processor-dryhana,37417.html China Begins Production Of x86 Processors Based On AMD's IP http://https://img.purch.com/10139-naples-03-02-0004-inside-4k-jpg/w/755/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS85L0gvNzgzMTI1L29yaWdpbmFsLzEwMTM5X25hcGxlc18wM18wMl8wMDA0X0lOU0lERV80Sy5qcGc= Chinese-designed "Dhyana" x86 processors based on AMD's Zen microarchitecture are beginning to surface from Chinese chip producer Hygon. The processors come as the fruit of AMD's x86 IP licensing agreements with its China-based partners and break the decades-long stranglehold on x86 held by the triumvirate of Intel, AMD and VIA Technologies. Details are also emerging that outline how AMD has managed to stay within the boundaries of the x86 licensing agreements but still allow Chinese-controlled interests to design and sell processors based on the Zen design. AMD's official statements indicate the company does not sell its final chip designs to its China-based partners. Instead, AMD allows them to design their own processors tailored for the Chinese server market. But the China-produced Hygon "Dhyana" processors are so similar to AMD's EPYC processors that Linux kernel developers have listed vendor IDs and family series numbers as the only difference. In fact, Linux maintainers have simply ported over the EPYC support codes to the Dhyana processor and note that they have successfully run the same patches on AMD's EPYC processors, implying there is little to no differentiation between the chips. The new chips are surfacing against the backdrop of the trade war between the US and China that could escalate quickly, likely reinforcing China's long-held opinion that a lack of native processor production could be a strategic liability. Today's wars are won with chips, and their strategic importance certainly isn't lost on those in the halls of power. In fact, the Obama administration blocked Intel from selling Xeon processors to China in 2015 over concerns the chips were fueling the country's nuclear programs, and subsequent actions by the US have largely prevented China from achieving the technical know-how and equipment to develop its own chips through acquisitions and mergers. That makes it even more surprising that AMD has managed to establish a franchise that allows Chinese processor vendors to develop and sell x86 processors in spite of US regulations and the licensing restrictions with Intel, but now more information is coming to light about how AMD pulled off the feat. Satisfying The x86 Cross-Licensing Agreement AMD's announcement in 2016 that it had established a joint venture in China to develop processors was surprising, but it yielded a much needed $293 million cash infusion (in payments based on delivery dates) for the then-struggling company, which had operated at a loss for the prior six quarters. AMD is also set to reap royalties, based on unit sales, once the processors begin to ship in volume. As part of the licensing agreement, AMD established a joint venture (JV) in China called the Tianjin Haiguang Advanced Technology Investment Co. Ltd. (THATIC) and agreed to license its x86 and SoC IP for chip development. THATIC consists of AMD and both public and private Chinese companies, including the Chinese Academy of Sciences that is heavily influenced by the Chinese government. According to mydrivers.com, THATIC then established two companies through joint ventures: Haiguang Microelectronics Co. Ltd. (HMC) and Chengdu Haiguang Integrated Circuit Design Co., Ltd (Hygon). But here's where things get tricky. AMD holds a 51 percent stake in HMC, while Tianjin Haiguang Holdings owns 49%. Meanwhile, AMD owns 30% of Hygon and Tianjin Haiguang Holdings owns 70 percent. HMC owns the x86 IP and ends up producing the chips, which satisfies the AMD and Intel x86 cross-licensing agreements because the IP remains with a company owned primarily by AMD. But AMD provides the IP with the understanding that the company will use it to design its "own products specifically tailored to the needs of the Chinese server market." That requires quite a bit of maneuvering given the restrictions of AMD's x86 cross-licensing agreement with Intel. To stay within the legal boundaries, HMC licenses the IP to Hygon, which designs the x86 chips and then sells the design back to HMC. HMC then employs a foundry to fab the end product (likely China Foundries or TSMC). Confusingly, HMC then transfers the chips back to Hygon (the same company that designed them), which then sells the Dhyana processors. And thus, AMD's transfer of the x86 IP stays within the legal boundaries. According to the agreement, the final products can only be sold within China's borders. That opens up a huge opportunity for AMD via royalties due to the exploding China data center market, but potentially serves a blow to Intel due to the Chinese governments' influence: China has invested heavily in native chip producers through its Made In China 2025 initiative and also offers incentives and other measures to prop up domestic chip production. China Continues To Invest It's unclear what the impact of AMD's licensing agreement will have on the long-term outlook for China's chip development ambitions. China is also heavily involved in other chip-producing ventures, such as Zhaoxin Semiconductor, which is working to produce x86 chips through a partnership with VIA. The combination of these efforts, among others, could ultimately provide the country with the independence it desires from US interventions, and possibly alter the long-term processor market in the process. WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR INTEL? Intel had hopes of throttling AMD back to "only taking 20% of their market share" away in the second half of 2018. That goes out the window now as you have 3-4 Chinese government backed companies LICENSED to use AMD Zen and Via x86 tech in a mix or match fashion with MIPS and IBM and ARM technologies. This is legal and above board. Hygon must make the chips and sell the chips inside China. This does not limit secondary or tertiary vendors (motherboard or systems builders) from reselling the final end product through a supply chain that ends possibly outside of China. What to be watchful for is what is NOT above board --- China's very capable industrial espionage functions might be lifitng tech from everybody and then producing it as a "subsidiary development of combining Zen and IBM and Via technologies". Micron as a memory maker has already been pillaged by China so their new memory stuff is coming soon from the Far East now too. Plus China is BLAZING FAST, they can steal something and have it in full production as their "home designed subsidiary development tech" before the original company can finish up their lengthy required in country testing and then arrange for a production slot at TSMC. As far as legalities go, obviously Chinese company XYZ had also developed the tech on a parallel pathway using old tech they had licensed from AMD, VIA, IBM, ARM, MIPS, (you get the idea, Chinese companies hold mfg and development rights to a whole lot of old American companies old tech nowadays). In cases like AMD, some older tech was licensed outright -- the fact that some new features fresh from brand new industrial espionage from vendors B and C got mixed into the pie is "regrettable". When the total service life of a processor is only 2-3 years, it can easily take 4 times that long to reach some sort of minimal court settlement based off litigation in the Far East. And that is if it doesn't wind up as any form of shared judgement due to fault existing on both sides. CHINA IS NOW A MULTI-FOUNDRY PC LEVEL & SERVER LEVEL CHIP SUPPLIER starting today. Look to see a whole lot of PC and laptop action coming out of China sometime out in the future ..... dirt cheap just like the little Android TV boxes are today. |
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Title: The Empire Strikes Back Post by Oldfeller on 07/12/18 at 18:11:43 https://liliputing.com/2018/07/intels-new-xeon-e-series-chips-are-for-entry-level-workstations.html First Moves from the Empire side of things, things done after the removal of the Evil Emperor. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/xeon-e_05-680x348.jpg http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/xeon-e_03-680x350.jpg Intel is launching a new line of Xeon E processors designed for desktop workstation computers. The company says the new chips offer up to a 36 percent performance boost over previous-gen low end server chips ...... which is probably a more appropriate spec for companies that might only update their workstations about twice a decade. The company is offering 10 different Xeon E chips, ranging from the Xeon E-2124 processor with 4 CPU cores, 4 threads, no integrated graphics and 8MB of cache to the Xeon E-2186G with 6 cores, 12 threads, 12MB of cache, and Intel UHD 630 graphics. All of the new chips have 40 PCI Express 3.0 lanes, support for up to 64GB of DDR4-2666 RAM, and they all fit motherboards with an LGA 1151 socket. Other features include support for Thunderbolt 3.0, USB 3.1 Gen 2, Intel Optane memory, and Gigabit Ethernet. TDPs for the chips range from 71W to 95W, depending on the processor. Dell, HP, Lenovo, and other PC manufacturers are expected to offer workstations with the new Xeon E chips soon. Yes, you really do see Chipzilla moving preemptively to block the easy road that Hygon would have taken to steal lots of market share from Intel over in the China Zone using the bone stock AMD tech Hygon has already used to produce whole new runs of finished chipsets. There is no doubt that this move is what Intel was referring to as "stopping AMD from gaining large amounts of server market share past 15-20%". By adding two extra CPU cores and leveraging a large chunk of faster buffer memory Intel really has bumped their performance by 36% on the top end units as compared to existing server processors. Take the 36% as a temporary paper gain, thermal throttling will steal that back away from the end user and potentially a lot more besides. Consumer level cooling systems cannot handle these big Intel bruisers -- you pay a lot for potential performance you will only see in the first minutes after starting to work. Then the Intel nanny chips thermal throttle the beast down to give you less than a two year old (two cores smaller) chipset could give you. IT IS MY OPINION that Intel is functionally giving up on the low end of the laptop/desktop computing market and is ceding it to ARM as all their competitive moves seem to be in the Xenon class of server processors which are very rapidly becoming Intel's standard "gaming" and "business" level processors. Now for the first counter moves from AMD and Hygon and the Google Chromebook people. ================================================== https://liliputing.com/2018/07/lilbits-319-chrome-gets-more-secure-uses-more-ram.html Chrome gets more secure, uses more RAM http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/site-isolation.jpg Google’s Chrome web browser has always been something of a memory hog, which is to be expected from an application that runs a new sandboxed process for each browser tab. This < 10% relative increase in the memory used by ChromeOS pales compared to the amount of memory used by ANY Microsoft OS system on ANY Intel processor which always uses twice as much memory and twice as much processor power to run at relatively similar speeds ...... simply because it is fat and porky and slow (i.e. it is Windows 10). Now Google has introduced something called “site isolation,” which means that not only does each tab have its own process, but each sub-process can also now only render documents from a single site, even if there’s a cross-site iFrame in a page. Such site isolation should prevent malware from leveraging the Spectre vulnerability affecting modern processors to steal your data but it comes at a cost of a 10-13 percent increase in memory usage. Point here --- Google Chrome has actually DONE SOMETHING REAL to address the two forms of Spectre and the six various forms of Meltdown. Google's Chrome fixes are REAL and they all are turned on by default and they all are fully active at this point in time. At this point Wintel has only TALKED a very partial sort of game and has only put out some partial changes that ARE NOT TURNED ON BY DEFAULT, and since they remain turned off may as well not exist in the real world. Their users are all exposed still to getting their data stolen. ChromeOS is still so light and fast it still kicks Wintel's browsers butt speed-wise even with all the extra sandboxing and all single site/tab memory isolation requirements in place and working. Chromebooks are still growing and are taking more and more laptop share away from Wintel. https://www.statista.com/statistics/749890/worldwide-chromebook-unit-shipments/ Look at the matching Windows PC unit loss charts along the bottom edge of this chart. We still see Wintel moving all their improvements over into the Xenon chipset family simply to get enough cores and enough brute processing power to get out of its own way and show some positive motion. We see Xenons slowly becoming i9s and i7 class as these bulkier more expensive items gradually become Intel mainline processor chipsets. This functional doubling/tripling of core counts and the associated HUGE memory amount requirements (compared to ChromeOS) makes it a VERY EXPENSIVE counter move by Wintel ....... Expensive or not, it is the only move Intel has on tap at the moment, so they are making it -- Intel is doing this to response to ALL their various competitors at all the different levels in their businesses. ::) I guess mebbe Intel got all dizzy, spinning around in that tight tight little circle down inside that toilet bowl whirlpool ..... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 07/16/18 at 20:54:37 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-micron-3d-xpoint-imft,37461.html http://https://img.purch.com/02-jpg/w/755/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS9aLzUvNjIyMDQ5L29yaWdpbmFsLzAyLmpwZw== Wow, it is an original Optane 3d XPoint board, suitable for hitting a PCIe card slot on a specialty rack space motherboard that was constructed specifically to use it as a buffer memory for a large platter hard drive. Large Samsung SSD drives were less expensive and ran a good bit faster in real use as you could put your whole hard drive on the bootable Samsung SSD for the same money and the original Intel Optane drive was always restricted to buffer functions only. Intel has been bundling these boards with the specialty rackspace motherboards that mount them as a "special deal" as sold by their favorite board vendors, essentially giving the Optane boards away for free lately since they have a warehouse full of them. Intel has a whole generation of rackspace motherboards with Intel CPUs and matching Optane boards jest a sitting in a warehouse that have been totally overcome by events, so ya wanna buy one of these anyway? Cheap? Intel will give you the Optane stuff for free ...... http://https://img.purch.com/dimm-png/w/755/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS9RL0gvNzg1MDMzL29yaWdpbmFsL0RJTU0uUE5H This is the DDR4 version of the same sort of memory, once again requiring a specialty board from an Intel favorite board vendor. Very few sample sticks or boards were ever built as the cost was way too high and the Optane stick memory was too slow again --- Samsung standard memory sticks were a lot better deal price/performance wise. Tom's Hardware covers the pending death of Optane memory in the blue quote below as the final stages of the Micron Intel divorce become known. Be aware that Optane won't completely die and disappear until the warehouses get empty, sometimes in late 2019-2020. What will happen is that the other forms of fast non-volitile memory (faster and cheaper) are what will end Optane in reality and will be what sweeps it off the table starting late next year. Micron is done with Optane, sees no future for it as it isn't speed or cost effective compared to the new SD Association Level 7 and new proposed Level 8 SD and MicroSD standards that all the memory companies are supporting as of now (Micron included). So, Intel is once again the only one sitting in the leaky 14nm Optane row boat at the moment, and Intel has simply lost track of their oars again and is just floating along until the warehouses finally all get emptied out. XPoint Shakeup: Intel and Micron to Cease Joint Development of 3D XPoint Next Year by Paul Alcorn July 16, 2018 at 4:15 PM Intel and Micron have announced they have updated the terms of their 3D XPoint joint development partnership and will cease joint development after the second generation of 3D XPoint is completed in the first half of 2019. The two companies also recently announced they would cease joint development of NAND through their Intel-Micron Flash Technologies (IMFT) partnership after the third generation of flash technology, but the storied IMFT franchise will apparently soldier on through shared production facilities. Intel and Micron will continue to develop new generations of 3D XPoint independently "in order to optimize the technology for their respective product and business needs." This means Intel representatives confirmed to us that Intel will still produce 3D XPoint out of the jointly-operated IMFT fab in Lehi, Utah even after the companies develop their respective third-generation products, but Intel still has the option to produce the memory at other facilities if needed. Intel and Micron announced 3D XPoint in July 2015. The companies designed the new memory to bridge the performance gap between NAND and DRAM, and because of 3D XPoint's persistence (it retains data after power is removed), it can serve in both memory and storage roles. Micron announced its 3D XPoint-based QuantX products in 2016, and we even tracked down the finer details of the design, but the SSDs did not make it to market. As a result, Intel is the only company selling 3D XPoint-based products and Micron has relied on Intel to purchase its excess 3D XPoint production inventory. However, during a recent earnings call, Micron CEO Sanjay Mehrotra revealed that 3D XPoint sales to Intel were flagging, thus incurring under-utilization charges that impacted Micron's bottom line. Micron even indicated that it was possible that the company wouldn't sell any 3D XPoint to Intel in the future. As such, Mehrotra announced that Micron would re-negotiate the terms of future 3D XPoint development with Intel. That means the split in product development is likely the outcome of the renegotiation. Sales of 3D XPoint have obviously been under expectations. Intel has brought the new memory to market in various SSD form factors, but pricing has been a concern as prices for traditional flash-based SSDs have continued to plummet. Intel has even taken to offering "Core+" processors that come bundled with 3D XPoint drives in an apparent effort to spur sales. Analysts have long predicted that the debut of Optane DC Persistent Memory DIMMs, which bring the speedy memory to the DIMM form factor to enable explosive memory capacity increases, would mark the true turning point for 3D XPoint adoption. Unfortunately, Intel's 3D XPoint DIMMs have been plagued by delays, which ultimately has led to lower-than-expected sales. Intel is currently ramping production of its long-overdue DIMMs and claims that several hyperscalers and cloud service providers are committed to deploying its products. Micron says that it will bring its first 3D XPoint-based products to market by the end of 2019, with meaningful revenue occurring in 2020. Both Intel and Micron have sunk a tremendous amount of R&D into the skunkworks-class project over the course of a decade, so it is unlikely that either will cease development and production. Intel and Micron have repeatedly stated that 3D XPoint is an inherently scalable design: the companies can either add more layers, shrink lithography, or store more bits per cell to boost capacity and performance. That leaves plenty of room for improvements in the future. Given the announced timeline for the second-gen products in early 2019, we could see faster, cheaper, and more capacious 3D XPoint products soon. This last paragraph ignores the fact that other forms of persistent memory from folks like Samsung are EATING OPTANE'S LUNCH RIGHT NOW for both performance and price with the standard SSD and the standard DIMM style memory being run at 10nm and 12nm at Samsung and at TSMC. When 7nm persistent SSD and DIMM memory products from Samsung and others gets into the bulk distribution channels Intel hopes it will have given most of the existing stocks of 14nm Optane sold or given away by then as their aging Optane products will have become relatively undesirable even as buffer memory at that point in time. Micron wants to get away from Intel and is taking all the needed steps to firm up the divorce settlement. :-/ Do not buy an Optane board -- it is EXPENSIVE poorer performance memory for your computing dollar. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 07/17/18 at 15:33:18 https://liliputing.com/2018/07/intel-and-micron-announce-2nd-gen-3d-xpoint-memory-coming-in-2019.html ::) So, Intel finally releases a press pack spinning things their way, saying Gen 2 Optane is coming "in a few months" and will look like this ...... http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/optane_03-680x383.jpg These are the newest Intel provided PR images using some various standard components (a video card and a SSD hard drive that were spray painted black) since nothing depicted here has even been final designed at the Generation 2 level by Micron yet and likely never will be as Micron wants Intel to finish paying for what they had contracted to have built at Gen 1 last year before Micron spends another second or another penny on doing any more Optane anything for Intel. Visual items to carry away in your thoughts ...... Optane runs hot and converts a lot of wall socket power into HEAT that has to be removed by big heat sinks and buzzing channeled fan cooling actions. Not suitable for a laptop at all, in other words ....... Here is the rest of the stuff that flows from the re-tuned Intel PR release ....... (remember Intel exaggerates and lies a lot lately) Solid state drives tend to be faster than hard drives. And RAM (random access memory) tends to be faster still… but it’s “volatile” memory, which means that any data stored in RAM will disappear when you reboot or turn off a computer. A few years ago Intel and Micron teamed up to develop a new type of non-volatile memory that’s almost as fast as RAM, allowing it to be used as storage, memory, or both. Intel has brought a number of 3D Xpoint products to market under its Intel Optane brand. So far most have basically been speedy solid state storage drives, but the company recently introduced its first 3D XPoint memory DIMMs for use in data centers. Now Intel and Micron have announced that they expect to complete development of 2nd-gen 3D XPoint technology in the first half of 2019. But that’s effectively going to be the end of the partnership between the two companies. There’s no word on what kind of performance or features to expect from 2nd-gen 3D XPoint technology. We’ll probably find out more in the coming months as the companies get ready to launch new products based on their work together. In the same press release where the companies announce the impending completion of the 2nd-gen 3D XPoint technology, Intel and Micron also say that they have no plans to work together on a 3rd-gen: Technology development beyond the second generation of 3D XPoint technology will be pursued independently by the two companies in order to optimize the technology for their respective product and business needs. While that certainly doesn’t spell the end of 3D XPoint, it does suggest that Intel and Micron have different plans for the technology moving forward. For now, the companies plan to continue manufacturing memory at an Intel-Micron Flash Technologies facility in Lehi, Utah =================================================== https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/samsung-950-pro-m-2-256mb-and-512mb-ssd/ OK, this is what killed Optane starting last year, and it looks like it will complete the job this year. Key thing to remember, no fans -- it doesn't get hot and suck power just sitting there like Optane does. These are the Samsung 256 and 512 gig versions of "solder on" phone motherboard memory chips which are shipping now in current top line phones. http://https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims?quality=100&image_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fo.aolcdn.com%2Fhss%2Fstorage%2Fmidas%2Faf2f3b4e47bfad7ab1ad5b6cce5e2b7c%2F203457914%2Fsamsung-256GB-memory-smartphones-2016-02-25-01.jpg&client=cbc79c14efcebee57402&signature=dea72db6fc801ee6a36c64644a1ea79fb7d91225 Also new to these plug in Samsung SSD drives is the use of the NVMe standard, which we first saw with the lightning-fast Intel SSD 750-series drives. This is a new interface protocol specifically designed for laptop SSDs – rather than previous standards which were developed for hard drives – and brings with it a boost in speed right across the board. http://https://ksassets.timeincuk.net/wp/uploads/sites/54/2015/10/P1120335-3.jpg Samsung 950 Pro M.2 256MB and 512MB SSD Again, though, you’ll want to confirm that your motherboard/laptop offers support for all these new features, particularly with NVMe. Without BIOS/UEFI support, the drive may continue to work but it may not be bootable. The above features combine with Samsung’s latest 3D V-NAND memory chips. Here, the transistors that make up the memory are stacked vertically as well as horizontally, which means they’re far more dense than conventional NAND. The result is Samsung claims that the 512GB drive chip can read at up to 2,500MB/sec and write at 1,500MB/sec, while the 256GB drive can read at 2,200MB/sec and write at 900MB/sec. What’s more, the drive chips have a total write life of 400TB and 200TB respectively, which amounts to completely filling and rewriting the drive more than 700 times. As such, Samsung has been able to include an impressive five-year warranty with these drives, and it rates them as having a mean time between failure of 1.5million hours. Read more at https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/samsung-950-pro-m-2-256mb-and-512mb-ssd#JMXTpYRL62HZPAOY.99 AND I REPEAT FOR EMPHASIS --- DO NOT BUY AN OPTANE ANYTHING, EVER. Follow on next day stock market responses to these new Intel PR revelations is Samsung UP, Micron UP, Intel DOWN. The stock market rewards Micron for ditching Intel and for cutting off the Optane bleeding ..... Samsung gets rewarded for cutting edge price/throughput/durability/low heat & the best battery life. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 07/18/18 at 15:06:48 This comes under the heading of "Intel sez" followed up by Apple actually building some of them and finding out the hard way. https://youtu.be/Dx8J125s4cg Yep, it is an Apple guy video producer complaining in a video (very well done video, BTW) --- click on it to watch it as it is the whole refrigerator freezer show and tell. "Intel sez" ..... Here is your spec sheet, you can trust it. Don't worry about having to do any of that pre-release testing stuff, it just makes your hair get gray early ...... "Intel sez" ..... Which is even more dubious than "Rossi sez" as Rossi can occasionally surprise you by surpassing his own brags on some select occasional items. And it turns out Rossi told you the real literal truth, in as much as anyone understood it at the time. https://liliputing.com/2018/07/lilbits-320-apples-new-macbook-pro-is-fast-except-when-its-not.html https://youtu.be/Dx8J125s4cg it is a video, click on it to watch it http://https://pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/BestBuy_US/images/products/5721/5721723_sd.jpg;maxHeight=640;maxWidth=550 Lilbits 320: Apple’s new MacBook Pro is fast… except when it’s not 07/18/2018 at 5:41 PM by Brad Linder Apple launched its most powerful MacBook Pro laptops to date last week, including 15 inch models with support for up an Intel Core i9 processor and AMD Radeon Pro discrete graphics. Unsurprisingly, a top-of-the-line model scores really, really well in benchmarks, and Laptop Magazine reports it has one of the fastest SSDs shipping in any laptop. But YouTube Dave Lee discovered that when you push the laptop up towards its normal working loads… it slows down considerably. It looks like the MacBook Pro chassis might not be able to keep the motherboard cool enough for the Core i9 processor to run at listed normal rated speed for any extended period of real use. So while some tasks are super-fast, others (like heavy-duty video rendering jobs) can take longer on the new 15" MacBook Pro than on older (fewer cores) models from year before last. Whoops? On the bright side, the laptop is super fast if you stick it in a freezer while rendering videos. So that’s always an option. ================================================== So, if you thought that one was a good one, here is a brand new breaking news one that might even wind up being an even better "chicken choker" than a 15" MacBook Pro ..... https://liliputing.com/2018/07/hp-updates-its-z-line-of-entry-level-workstations-with-xeon-e-options-and-more.html HP updates its Z line of entry-level workstations with Xeon E options (and more) 07/18/2018 at 9:00 AM by Brad Linder HP is updating its line of entry-level workstation computes with four new models, including the HP Z2 Tower, HP Z2 Small Form Factor, and HP Z2 Mini, along with the EliteDesk 800 Workstation Edition. The smallest of the bunch is the HP Z2 Mini G4, which is an update to the Z2 Mini Workstation that launched a few years ago. The new model is the same 8.5[ch8243] x 8.5[ch8243] x 2.3[ch8243] size as its predecessor, but under the hood it packs a lot more power, with up to NVIDIA Quadro P1000 graphics, up to an Intel Xeon E-2176G processor, and up to 32GB of DDR4-2400 memory. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/z2_05-680x431.jpg This is actually a little hover craft with four corner lifting air jets ....... ;D The little computer has room for a 2.5 inch drive and an M.2 NVME 2280 SSD and features a USB 3.1 Gen-2 Type-C port, four USB 3.0 ports, Ethernet, DisplayPort, and a headset jack and two SODIMM slots. The HP Z2 Mini G4 supports 802.11ac WiFi and Bluetooth 5.0 and in comes with a bunch of processor and graphics options including Intel Pentium Gold through Xeon E chips and a choice of AMD or NVIDIA graphics. Prices start at $799, and HP is positioning the Z2 Mini workstation as not only small enough to put on your desk without taking up a lot of space, but also as a system that can be mounted to the back of a monitor or set up in a rack. :-/ :P :o I mean if you are gonna REALLY REALLY choke a baby chicken, putting an overclocked rackspace derivative Xenon E2176G chipset, 32 gigs of systems RAM and a NVIDIA Quadro P1000 graphics card all inside a Chromebox sized case with very little air flow and absolutely no effective heat sink fins built into the PLASTIC case top ....... ::) Love that toolbox sized "laptop floor charger" ya got over there, guys ..... but what's with the two clear plastic water lines running beside that really thick power cord going up to the little box on the desktop ??? And why is that big boxy power supply so durn noisy ???? Really ???? HP guys, do you really even read your own press releases ???? Or did Intel build and release this particular press release for you guys as a "time saving favor" to you ???? Apple is jealous that HP has done gone and one-upped them again on the overheated front ..... ...... this time fer choking very small baby sized chickens even worse than Chick-fil-A ever did |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 07/21/18 at 23:58:49 https://9to5mac.com/2018/07/21/intel-power-gadget-mac-removed/ Mac Pro 15 users frothing over Intel Core i9 Chip performance This is the original story, which gets into the disaster which is Intel's Core i9 chipset, a disaster composed of adding 2 extra cores to an already expensive premium chip, cores that are actually counter productive in that they jerk up the whole chips thermal curve up higher to the point the whole chip throttles to perform WORSE than before the extra cores were added. Intel diagnostic tools were used to discover the details of these traits, now those diagnostic tools have been yanked by Intel and the diagnostic tools were reworked so they show something else for results. Trouble for Intel is that other non-Intel diagnostic tools do exist that now no longer are in agreement with what the tweeked Intel tools now show. Intel lies, gets caught at it and lies again ...... there is a pattern of deception here that is only now becoming bleedingly obvious to the Mac crowd. The download link for the Intel Power Gadget, which reports info like Mac CPU temperature and current clock speed, has been conspicuously removed from the Intel website today. There’s no explanation on the page as to why the company suddenly removed the download, although it sure is convenient timing. The utility has been used by many tech reviewers to highlight possible thermal problems with the 6-core 2018 MacBook Pros. Perhaps Apple or Intel have discovered inaccuracies in the tool’s reporting and is now in the process of updating it. The latest version of the app, Intel Power Gadget 3.5.2, was available for download for free up to last night. Various posters on Reddit are uploading mirrored copies for people to download now, given Intel’s official download is currently unavailable. The latest-gen MacBook Pros retain the same hardware chassis design but feature new, power hungrier, quad-core and six-core CPUs. Particularly on the highest-end model, the 15-inch MacBook Pro with Core i9 chip, a number of reviewers have noted severe performance throttling, with the Power Gadget reporting the processors are dropping below their base clock speed with longer-running tasks like video export. YouTuber Dave Lee brought this into the spotlight, demoing that the 2018 MacBook Pro was actually slower than the last-gen model at an Adobe Premier video export — seemingly because the new i9 chip kept having to be significantly throttled to maintain internal temperatures. In our own testing, (9to5mac.com) we found that disabling two of the cores actually resulted in faster export speeds in Final Cut Pro than if all six-cores were active. One of the things that has come out of this whole debacle is that the Intel Power Gadget can report CPU frequencies as low as 800Mhz. However, this does not necessarily mean that the CPU is being throttled — it likely means the CPU is idling whilst other components like a hardware decoder are operating. It is possible that Intel is now updating its tool to better explain the dips in frequency. At the time of writing, only the Mac version of the Intel Power Gadget is unavailable. Downloads for Windows and Linux are still offered. Intel's Power Gadget Utility is back up again, but shows far less throttling and no longer aligns with other tools nor with observed reality all that well. It is becoming clear that Intel's "add a new pair of cores" response to AMD competition isn't working out flawlessly for Intel as Cooling becomes Critical to that desperate Intel competitive response and the existing crop of laptop products simply lack the necessary cooling abilities to handle the much hotter running Intel Core i9 and up chipsets. It has been discovered that Intel is also playing games with interleaving larger amounts of time for "idling for hardware decoding" into both their firmware and into the Gadget Utility test tool. These "delay items" are not counted against the chipset performance by the existing crop of processor utilities. Using these minor dirty tricks in the Gadget Utility test tool that simply give the ever hotter Intel chipsets more time to cool down while disguising the root cause instead of pointing it out clearly. This goes to support the thought that the new "improved" Intel chips really do actually perform about the same as the old chips from 2-4 years ago, except for the very newest ones with the extra cores which can actually perform WORSE due to excessive overheating and throttling. =================================================== Apple finally speaks ....... four days later. https://liliputing.com/2018/07/apple-acknowledges-macbook-pro-cpu-throttling-promises-update-to-fix-it.html Apple acknowledges MacBook Pro CPU throttling, promises update to fix it 07/24/2018 at 2:40 PM by Brad Linder Apple’s most expensive new MacBook pro laptops are available with up to a 6-core Intel Core i9 processor and AMD Radeon Pro graphics. Unfortunately early testers have discovered that the laptop can overheat very quickly, causing the speed to drop so low that previous-gen MacBook Pro models are actually faster. That’s kind of disappointing for a laptop with a price tag that can easily top $3,000. But Apple says it’s aware of the problem… and the company is releasing a software update that the company says should resolve the issue. According to Apple, there’s “a missing digital key in the firmware that impacts the thermal management system,” which could cause CPU clock speeds to take a nose dive under heavy load. In other words, when the computer gets hot, the CPU will slow down until things cool off… which means that you could theoretically render videos or perform other CPU-intensive tasks more quickly on an older laptop with a less powerful processor. Ars Technica notes that it was pretty easy to confirm this behavior: Cinebench, Final Cut, Adobe Premiere, Geekbench, and other programs all ran faster on a 2018 MacBook Pro with a Core i7 CPU than on a model with a Core i9 chip. Today Apple is rolling out a software update that should correct things so that the Core i9 models do indeed run faster. Apple says the bug fix is part of the macOS High Sierra 10.13.6 Supplemental Update that’s rolling out to users today. It seems odd that Apple shipped a high-end computer with a bug so obvious that it was quickly discovered by some of the first people to use the laptop. But it’s good to know that Apple believes it was a software bug rather than a hardware issue… which would be a lot tougher to fix. That said, I’d wait until we start to see post-update benchmarks before buying a 15 inch MacBook Pro with a Core i9 processor. Why this last sentence ???? Teardowns of the MackBook Pro series of laptops shows a totally inadequate CPU cooling system is what is installed in the MackBook Pro laptops, a CPU cooling system that is not adequate really for anything past the M series chipsets (which really don't require a cooler but get one anyway in the MackBook Pro series of laptops). The higher energy AMD Radeon Pro graphics chipset gets no extra cooling at all, and that too is a mistake on a $3000 gaming capable laptop like this one. Somebody at Apple lost track of what the heck they were doing, looks like. Look for a refund or a unit replacement call back to be announced after this interim software fix fails to work right. =================================================== Apple fixed what they could, found settings that were not correct as shipped and tuned those. Apple simply did the homework that they were too slack to do before they shipped the stuff and Apple got called on it. Here are the results ----- it is better, but not nearly as good as a Windows Gaming unit, or even a standard Windows unit with the same CPU, amount of memory etc. Apple simply did not put enough cooling into the laptops (being too concerned about looks to make it as fat as it needed to be). https://youtu.be/UTguywiC9aw it is a video, click on it Intel is simply slamming extra cores onto already hot running chipsets and taking them completely off the edge of the world thermally speaking, especially in the Apple products. COMPLETE REDESIGNS of laptop and cooling system are needed to use this 8 Core i9 stuff. Windows machines have done some of this, Apple products have not. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/04/18 at 10:58:03 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-fenghuang-ryzen-vega-soc,37551.html The mysterious AMD Fenghuang is a complete system on chip (SoC) powerhouse made up of a quad-core Ryzen processor paired with 24 Vega Compute Units and 8GB of GDDR5 memory on a single chip. Kaby Lake-G ushered in a new class of processors for Intel, with all the progress items coming from AMD. Now that AMD's short marriage with Intel has ended, the red chipmaker is free to branch out and do its own thing. Jack Huynh, AMD's corporate vice president of its semi-custom business unit, announced today via the company's blog that it has created a new SoC for Chinese electronics manufacturer Zhongshan Subor. The semi-custom SoC, codenamed Fenghuang, will power Zhongshan Subor's upcoming gaming console and PC. The Fenghuang chip harnesses the power of AMD's Zen processor and Vega graphics processing unit architectures. The SoC features a Ryzen processor with four cores and eight threads running at 3GHz and 24 Vega Compute Units operating at 1.3GHz. An Accelerated Processing Unit (APU) might be the first thing that comes to mind; however, the Fenghuang SoC is quite the opposite. APUs don't come with their own graphics memory, and the Fenghuang chip has 8GB of high-performance GDDR5 memory at its disposal. Jack Huynh also confirmed that the SoC will support the chipmaker's existing and next-generation technologies, such as AMD FreeSync, Radeon Software Adrenalin Edition software and Rapid Packed Math. Zhongshan Subor demonstrated its gaming PC at its booth at ChinaJoy, one of the largest gaming and digital entertainment expos in Asia, held in Shanghai. The Chinese manufacturer stated that it plans to release the gaming PC in late August. The SUBOR gaming console, with the same specifications as the company's gaming PC and a customized operating system will be available by the end of this year. AMD and Intel are at the approximately 50-50% mark on new unit PC sales in the USA at this particular point in time. AMD did something sorta new this week, something for desktop and console units that was requested by a China console firm. They put together a single chip SoC format that had ALL the requested functions on the chip itself, including a largish chunk of fast access on-die operating systems memory, 32 gigs worth of it sitting up on an on-chip PoP package. This makes up a complete SoC package for the console units that can also be used in a laptop or a desktop ..... This is ground breaking stuff for desktop uses, utilizing pure cell phone type low cost ideas in PC space by clear intent. The AMD SoC at 12nm currently only requires a large flat style copper heat sink so it can fit and work in thin laptop formats as well. Once it shrinks to 7nm it will work even better at a lower required heat dissipation level. Expect low end laptop uses and small desktop uses to proliferate like crazy out of China (which is starting now even as we speak). China based Zhongshan Subor has licensed the build rights for this Fenghuang style processor. We do not know if Zhongshan Subor has any design rights arranged with AMD at this point in time ..... Intel has only had one reply to all their many challengers at this point in time and that is MORE and MORE and MORE bigger hotter running cores ---- this thought is failing big-time on the overkill & over expensive side of the equation. Thermal throttling is the bugger bear that is biting Apple and Intel in the arse at this time -- getting rid of the heat is the challenge that Apple has failed to address. Intel understands they are going to lose all lower end market share due to intense new competition from ARM and AMD ..... but Intel is bound and determined to hang on to the upper end (the very most profitable) segment of the PC processor market. Intel losses in rack space are beginning to seriously mount up STARTING NOW as the Chinese Dhyana rack space CPUs are shipping inside China as we speak. China is the largest rack space growth market too, and Intel holds almost no new rack space installation sales inside China proper at this point in time. China as a government and as a people strongly prefer to buy a Chinese built chipset due to Trump's recent trade war attacks and his two year's worth of various Intel Xenon export restrictions. So, Intel is shedding market share right now like the Wicked Witch of the West did once the mop water hit her in the face. MELTING ....... melting ...... (groan) ...... melting My Intel Inside worldwide market share is melting ..... http://https://sep.yimg.com/ca/I/laraines_2273_55360503 http://fortune.com/2018/06/18/amd-stock-price-intel/ Gus Richard, an analyst at Northland Capital Markets, on Monday downgraded his rating on Intel’s stock to “underperform” with a price target about 20% below Intel’s closing price on Friday. Increased competition from AMD, greater use of graphics chips in many data centers (for performing AI tasks), and a diminishing ability by Intel to unveil chip manufacturing advances ahead of rivals are all hurting, Richard noted. AMD (AMD, -1.70%) has lately been updating its revived chip line with second generation improvements to the Ryzen chip for PCs and Epyc chip for servers. “The performance gap between Intel and AMD has narrowed substantially,” according to Richard. “AMD is now well positioned to compete in desktop and notebook markets. While AMD’s parts may sell at a discount to Intel’s the discount is declining and the price points are increasing.” Intel said it was ready for the competition. “While we are prepared for a more competitive environment as we move through 2018, we’ve already factored that into our financial forecast and we’re in a great position to compete,” Intel said in a statement. “We remain very confident in our products, our roadmap and our competitive position.” The company pointed to its Xeon processor Scalable family and upcoming new Intel Optane DC persistent memory and storage technology as examples. This last paragraph once again shows Intel REALLY wants the business world to remain completely oblivious to the fact that Micron has dumped them as an Optane partner and the Core i9 and Xenon Scalable Chipsets (same stuff actually) are really running head on into some very hard thermal throttling issues. Those last two cores that Intel tacked on were two cores too many -- older lower core count processors from two years ago can do the same real workload items quicker unless the new Core i9 processor equipped laptop is literally put inside a freezer to keep the works cool enough for all the cores to function at Intel's intended specified rates. ==================================================== https://www.zdnet.com/article/computex-2018-amd-previews-32-core-2nd-gen-threadripper-and-7nm-epyc-processors/ As Intel struggles to find cooling solutions for their newest Core i9 and other rack space chipsets that they now call "Gamer" chipsets, AMD has done what they said they would do at Computex inside the 3 months time span they said they would do it inside. 32 cores, 64 threads, it goes into existing dual socket standard AMD thread ripper motherboards with existing standard cooling options fully workable --- a rational established gamer technology that is naturally unlocked and completely over-clockable. It is here. It is real. For any test you care to mention it completely trashes Intel's very best 24 core "promised for production but only available as samples at this time" Core i9 / Epic / Xenon chipsets. The 32 core AMD chipset is 53% faster than Intel's 24 core best and it does not have the severe throttling issues that haunt the power hungry hot running 24 core Intel unit. AMD has added some sweet sweet frosting on the top of their cake, the CPU itself costs $400 less for each processor, that is $800 per pair less than existing Intel offerings that do not perform as well and make more heat and throttle a lot more ..... and Intel will require you to buy new sockets and new motherboards and some expensive fancy memory stuff that AMD does not require to get up towards that better speed levels. =================================================== https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-got-a-new-plan-for-managing-windows-10-devices-for-a-monthly-fee/ I have been saying for the last longest time Microsoft was going to a subscription basis for you to use their Windows 10 software. This starts this month in the Business world first, as a new Microsoft run MONTHLY subscription system for your PC hardware complete with all consumer/business MS OS and software products. MS is branching out, it seems ........ and they are really going to own your PC now legally ..... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/18 at 16:52:44 Mickey should just start leasing computers out. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/07/18 at 03:34:43 Yep, Justin --- MS will in essence lease the hardware out along with the software, retaining ownership of both, retaining legal rights to go in and alter both at will at night as the nightly updates roll. For whatever reason, be it good or bad in the eyes of the user. The rub becomes cost, add those monthly charges up and you are really just buying your computer over and over and over again as the years roll by ...... Google has a much better deal for overall cost ..... Mickey needs to figure out how to get their total ownership cost DOWN a bunch ASAP as Google is actively moving in on business now, gaining business acceptance and increasing their market share significantly. We are seeing Mickey's first reaction moves to the Chromebook Crostini System for Linux and what Crostini is doing to make both Linux apps and Windows apps able to be loaded on to a standard Chromebook in a painless fashion. =================================================== I know I have been telling you guys for a while now that all Linux Apps are all coming to Chromebooks soon. This has happened already for 18 Chromebooks now in the Developer mode, but rumors are now spreading that the last major bugs to Crostini have been worked out and on one of the very next general Chrome OS release numbers this feature will go live across the board as standard, just like the Android app support has done. This means Chrome 69 or Chrome 70 will have this Linux ability naturally, which is sensible since Google has already put in full isolation Sandboxing into Chrome 68 which opens the door wide for the Linux (and for those nasty funky Windows apps) to safely run inside their own little sheltered worlds inside your modern Chromebook. This latest move by Google has tightened the screws on MS big time, and is thought to be prompting MS to only be willing to release their newest apps when combined with a totally locked down hardware and OS system set up. Business will quickly disabuse MS that they are calling the shots in this area as Chrome/Linux/Wine is willing to load your old version Windows OS and App install disks and MS will quickly find that they no longer call a lot of the shots anywhere any longer ....... Versions of Chrome OS are available now that will run on re-purposed old MS machines, so hardware simply isn't the limiting factor that MS and Intel would wish for it to be. This also says Wintel can't force you to go buy a new machine quite so easily any more, as Chrome OS is so light and fast it runs really really well on old generation Windows machines, just like Linux is willing to do. =================================================== Now toss in the Linux idea of Snaps and Flatpacks and realize that devoted enthusiasts in the major distro worlds will be putting together flat packs and snaps to do ANY Windows program or game that your hardware can handle, no matter how stubborn that program might be to set up. You will be able to go get a snap or a flatpack from off the internet, make it legal by the existence of your software discs and just go DO IT. Legalities can always get manipulated by MS and it is expected that all programmers who can do so will go to a freeware Windows world alternative such as REACTOS or LINUX/WINE for the Windows type operating portions that Chrome OS cannot supply. Certainly MS is capable of tweeking their OS literally overnight to stymie an offending Snap or Flatpack, but MS but cannot easily do so if it is really Reactos/Linux/Wine that is operating under the Snap/Flatpack's covers. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/08/18 at 01:21:54 Deep breath time ---- the Wintel Monopoly still exists and as long as MS keeps promoting a technical monopoly in the USA by all its various tricks and methods, then Intel and Microsoft will forever remain with us. Yes, AMD is becoming a strong competitor to Intel, but that in fact plays along with the Wintel monopoly as AMD and Intel share the load of the "physical PC" end of things, using the same MS born constraints. The Chinese are breaking into the hardware design side more and more, but they tend to operate along existing MS guidelines as they have no special Chinese ideology to promote in particular. They are just there to make a buck, endlessly seeking the cheapest and FASTEST implementation pathways, and that generally comes with zero concern shown for infrastructure or any standards of any kind. China's Government has mandated the 100% use of Linux before, and that has only lasted for a month or two before the unruly Chinese business people reverted to the path of least effort and "fastest results". This was "use what you got" and that was Windows, by and large. Google has amassed all of Android and all of Linux and has put them all within the Chromebook purview, but this does not translate into more than an 11-16% per year growth in Chromebook market share increase. Even Linux itself is based on re-purposing old Wintel equipment, and although Linux use is spiking at the moment that is due to the retirement of a vast fleet of old XP, Win 7, Win 8 machines carrying a variety of old OS variants. Microsoft is not limited by the constraints they place on everybody else, so Mickey has now provided an older version of Win 10 to the refurb houses as a freebee so they can wipe all the old machines of all old OS versions and put the freebe Win 10 on all of them as a consistent "wipe and replace" on every hard drive --- giving all the refurbs "a new lease on life'. The advantage to MS is simple, getting Win 10 put on the hard drive means they get the chance to extort money from the new owners as they roll into the subscription plan era. Scary, ain't it? ::) |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Eegore on 08/08/18 at 07:10:13 So other than the cost what is a negative to leasing PC's and the software from a company that will do all the work of keeping it maintained for me? This sounds like a cell-phone plan to me. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by jcstokes on 08/08/18 at 12:02:04 If you have turned off Windows updates, are they still @visiting@ your computer at night? |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/08/18 at 12:16:02 Eegore, To you, it is the same thing. You were paying for your support blended into the cost of the new machines, now you will monthly lease the hardware/software package as a set. Until the prices become published, nobody knows how bad the monthly bite is really going to be. But I expect you will pay "more" this way ..... ::) (in Mickey I can always trust it costs more and you have to pay it all again and again and again) JC, I suspect MS can visit you anyway as they have done so no matter what OS version you have used (including XP since they patched it 2 years ago so they could visit it). Generally, MS leaves the XP machines alone since the machines are too weak to run Win 10 well at all. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Eegore on 08/08/18 at 17:14:49 What I'm wondering is if I will still need to pay an IT guy to hang around waiting for problems to occur, or can I just pay I guess Disney to do it as part of a monthly lease. With that maybe I can lease the hardware and exchange it out every year, instead of buying 2 sets of everything annually. However I imagine if someone wants the same PC for a decade then they will have paid for it multiple times over. Similar to how people lease an $80 modem from a cable company for $10 monthly for 5 years. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/08/18 at 17:38:10 I think your lease periods start at 3 years and go up from there ...... longer works better for MS so expect longer and "much longer" to be what is offered. ....... and over half of what your IT guy fixes are being done on Micky's fixes which are screwing other things up unexpectedly. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Eegore on 08/09/18 at 06:31:38 So what happens to companies like Dell? Will I end up purchasing Dell hardware and leasing Disney or MS software, or will Dell just have to start using another software package? |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/10/18 at 06:54:15 Dell will supply the machine with the software preloaded and MS will then require you to set up the payment plan with MS in order for it to work past that first initial period of time. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by jcstokes on 08/10/18 at 12:17:49 Just keeping you posted OF, Linux seems to be going ok, virtually no Google crashes, I note a number of Linux updates concern themselves with "Google Stability". Still have to use Windows for getting photos out of my phone. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by verslagen1 on 08/10/18 at 12:39:43 Intel is only half intelligent. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Eegore on 08/10/18 at 14:24:41 Interesting that Microsoft would invest in creating a hardware competition against companies already packaging their product. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/10/18 at 19:45:35 Microsoft is acting to try to protect their monopoly position. Chromebooks are getting ready to begin supporting MS applications based off of Wine and other FOSS Office running open source tools. Although market share numbers are relatively low right now, Chromebooks are eating into business and Microsoft is acting first to first solidify and "guarantee' their dollar flows out into the future. Discussions on Windows sites are centering around the "double pumping of charges" (you paid once with the machine and now (when the software support stuff kicks off good) "you have to pay again in the monthly software charges". There are many many user complaints now about MS's nightly update "service". Nightly update errors are proliferating as MS shows all signs of knowing the updates are not ready but MS is wanting to go ahead and send them out and then correct them on the fly next week. Sometimes corrections are very slow in coming ...... This poor level of user service is at the root of many MS complaints. MS is actually creating a user mental impression of a "need" for them to constant fiddle with your machine. They are also very carefully creating a mindset of complete dependency on the part of casual users. If MS owns both equipment and software, they can do such activities on their machines both summarily and legally. And charge whatever they want for the "service". |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/10/18 at 20:07:37 3E3727203B3F3127540 wrote:
I don't follow this ...... you HAVE to have a gmail account that is linked to that android phone or else it simply won't function. Really, you have one. Find out what it is by following the instructions below. "What Gmail account is my cell phone linked to?" http://www.smartmobilephonesolutions.com/content/how-to-check-primary-gmail-account-android-phone Now you need to set your phone to automatically back up your photos to Google Drive. This is already done by default by the phone manufacturer in most cases. But here are the steps in case you got a phone that didn't do this for you. https://www.google.com/search?q=setting+up+google+automatic+picture+backup&oq=setting+up+google+automatic+picture+backup&aqs=chrome..69i57.18359j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 If you are saying you have to use Windows to move the pictures, this simply isn't so. But the key element is finding your gmail.com account name and then telling your phone to save all your pictures automatically (automatic backup) to your Google drive that is linked to your phone account (this stays inside that 15 gigs they give you for free). This gives you the constantly available source to get to your pics, from anywhere / any OS / any browser. Your photos will go automatically to your Gmail Google drive within a minute or so after taking them. Once your photos are backed up to your Google Drive you can go to your gmail.com account through anywhere / any OS / any browser, log into your gmail account and then cut and paste your pics (copy them manually) to any desktop (and that specifically includes Linux Mint Mate desktop) and then do whatever you want to do with them. I keep an icon on my Chrome browser task bar that leads directly to my gmail.com account which is set up to remember the password, so to me it only a few clicks to get to all my pics. Another way to get to them is to select the pics you want in your Google drive and download them (downloads shows up in your download folder and also along the bottom of a Chrome browser bar -- from there you can cut and paste them easily. Tell us what you are having to do now to get your pictures off your phone and we can see if we can help you out there a bit. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by jcstokes on 08/11/18 at 23:06:18 OF, thanks for your assistance, there is some issue with the Google account and Google will help me resolve it, I think. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/12/18 at 21:03:02 https://liliputing.com/2018/08/would-you-dual-boot-windows-on-a-chromebook-if-you-could.html Windows Apps are coming to Chromebooks I tell you about this stuff early, then we all track it as it arrives. All of Android and all of Linux have now arrived on Chromebooks with us tracking it together as it happened, so you know about how this one is going to happen. Next thing coming to Chromebooks are Windows Apps, and they are coming to the beefier spec'd Chromebooks starting sometime around Christmas time ..... with MS Office likely being the very first item to jump over. MS is pushing hard to require a SEPARATE Win 10 license for the Chromebook, a "required purchase" if MS gets their way. FOSS is pushing for use of Wine code and the use of REACTOS base code instead of a full installation of Win 10 OS from Mickeysoft the way Mickey wants it to happen. The Google code name for this effort is Campfire (Apple users from years back will get the semi-ironic Campfire reference). Campfire involves existing legal physical copies of software (dvd or CD based software can be put on USB sticks) and downloaded live copies of licensed legal MS software. It is being done as part of ChromeOS by Google, so it is and remains totally on the up and up. Google is slowly breaking down the MS Office monopoly layer by layer while at the same time MS is trying to build it up and bind it all up even tighter and tighter together, now by actually owning the machines in question and locking down software to the individual hardware that resides on "their" machine. Many people will not allow MS to take over legal ownership of their machines through a carefully and cleverly written EULA statement. Enough MS functionality is already available in Wine and is also available in Reactos right now to support older versions of MS Word and older versions of the rest of the Office softwares completely separate from MS, while certainly not requiring the special Chromebook MS Win 10 installation/license that Mickey is currently wanting to have happen at this point in time. I for one think MS Office actually hit its peak at Office 2007 / Office 2010 and MS Office software has declined yearly ever since then. For me, drop down menus simply work a lot better than multiple copies of overly busy ribbon bars ever could, the six deep ribbon bars currently used struck me as confusing, distracting and intrusive and space wastingly STUPID when they first came out, and that opinion really hasn't changed very much over the years. And I think that the newer Word document save formats that actually require MULTIPLE FILES for each document (each saved separately) to be build up to the finished document were nothing more than a gimmick to lock in an entire generation of Word users into having to upgrade their machines and software. Plus, I find the doc system used by FOSS Libre Office to be quite usable, I can use Libre Write with no more real effort on my part than it would take to re-look up the old Office 2007 commands & menu locations. FOR EXAMPLE, on my big Linux box the defaults for Libre Office are set to match up my wife's favorite MS Word version so she can open and save her docs to and from my machine with no extra thought on her part. The only complaint she has made is "Your menus are funny" but she can use it just fine when she sits down at my machine. What makes this all work together now on Chromebooks, when it couldn't in the past ??? Chromebook processors have all gotten a lot stronger, and Chromebook systems memory has grown to be large enough to hold it all Mickey style. The newest generations of Chromebooks all include 128 to 258 gigs of on motherboard SSD memory courtesy of the new fast inexpensive SSD chipsets that solder directly on to the motherboard (chip is about the size of a large postage stamp). These were developed by Samsung for cell phones, btw ...... This MS Software using evolution of Chromebooks is intended to ease Google's way into the Business world, and it is being done very logically and completely on the legal up and up. MS's reaction (new leasing of machine and software and rolled over to a locked down software hardware set up) is a move that IT managers as a whole ARE NOT GOING TO TOLERATE. The IT managers will simply send the nonsense over to Legal for litigation, as they know they have over 10 years remaining on their existing current licenses and matching service agreements ........ ::) A Chromebook is always less expensive than a Windows machine, and it now runs ALL forms of software with the exception of the Apple Mac stuff, which nobody really wants to do that all that much anyway. Those few that do want to run Apple Mac software on Windows machines use Virtual Box software to do so ..... so yes it can be done if you really really want to do it. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/12/18 at 22:13:47 323B2B2C37333D2B580 wrote:
Many folks get issues with Gmail.com due to changing over their phones multiple times (phones come and go after all) and leaving them all linked to the same old Gmail account. Or in my case I had my wife's phone linked on the same account as my two phones (that got confusing to no end, believe me). People forget that their Gmail.com account was set up under old (sometimes quite old) versions of Android and that old stuff goes obsolete and flat dies section by section after a while. I learned a trick back then, I always start up a new Gmail.com account for each new phone / Android version and carefully delete all the old Gmail.com accounts associated with your name when the phones are gone. This maintains the 15 gigs of free storage for each separate account/phone and if you name the accounts right you can instantly know which account supports which phone. When I did this I lost a whole world of crap vendor calls and tons of phone adwares that were getting to me courtesy of some old Samsung phones that were gone like over 5+ years ago ...... It is simpler to start over fresh once per phone than to endlessly fight the reoccurring problems that can come from reusing ancient old Gmail.com accounts, really ....... The effort to start up a new Gmail.com account is easy, actually, and the effort to associate that new account to your new phone is dead easy if you are cranking up a new phone anyway. Doing it on an existing phone requires going through some menus, but it isn't all that bad. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/16/18 at 00:11:01 https://liliputing.com/2018/08/linux-based-steam-os-may-add-support-for-windows-games.html https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/08/valve-seems-to-be-working-on-tools-to-get-windows-games-running-on-linux/ https://www.vg247.com/2018/08/15/windows-steam-games-linux-compatibility-steam-play/ As we read more and more about Windows apps running on Chromebooks we began looking for the reverse corollary move to take place, which involves sucking certain select Windows apps into the world of Linux. In looking at this, we do find there is one something that MS forbids in the most rabid fashion possible. Games, baby, its all about the games ...... MS has spent CONSIDERABLE effort and $$$ in corralling games all about so that they will only run on Windows. In the age of Snaps and Flatpacks and with all the efforts FOSS has spent on getting Wine and Reactos drivers to run Windows Apps on Chromebooks, this means the tools now exist to put together a Snap or a Flatpack to run a Windows game on a specific Linux distro. With a little cooperation and legwork from the gamer side of things, the most modern version of the proposed gaming Snaps & Flats should run on ANY Linux distro. Gabe at Steam has been working along with gamers and FOSS to make this happen. MS is upset with Gabe, very much so as this threatens their gaming monopoly in a big huge fashion. MS is now attempting several new lock downs on their OS to stop this from working. FOSS enthusiasts and their lawyers are using the term "actions in the restraint of free trade" over these changes which is all the pre-suit warning they are going to give MS that MS is going a few steps over the line that are simply too too far right now ....... MS shows no signs of giving a crap about restraint of trade because if they lose their gaming lock along with their Office lock then that is the potential start of "game over" for MS. ::) ....... after 3 weeks, some sage words from an early user/developer ........ There are a bunch of warnings indicating that if you try to run games that haven’t been verified to work, they might crash or you might have problems saving games, among other things. But SteamOS would certainly be a lot more attractive if it suddenly gained access to even a small fraction of the Windows-only games that don’t currently run on the operating system. Steam Play might be able to accomplish that. Here are a few things to keep in mind though: Valve hasn’t officially confirmed that it’s working on the feature, so there’s no word on when it will launch… or if it ever will. It’s unclear if Valve is building its own Windows compatibility tools or just integrating WINE, an existing open source compatibility layer that already makes it possible to play some Windows games on Linux (or Android). If I had to bet, I’d say the latter is the more likely option. Games tend to run somewhat slower on SteamOS than they do on Windows. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/16/18 at 07:37:07 ...... the pitiful squealing sound you hear is Intel, bent over the workbench out in the exercise yard ...... ARM takes aim at laptops with upcoming Deimos, Hercules processors https://liliputing.com/2018/08/arm-takes-aim-at-laptops-with-upcoming-deimos-hercules-processors.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/arm-roadmap-680x359.jpg http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/arm-bench-680x281.jpg So what’s next from ARM? The company says its Cortex-A76 architecture is already competitive with an Intel Core i5-7300U processor at some (very specific) tasks, while consuming far less power. Next year the company plans to release a new “Deimos” design for 7nm processors that will offer a 15 percent performance improvement. Later in 2019 the company plans to launch its new “Hercules” architecture with another performance boost as well as a 10 percent increase in efficiency and power consumption. Deimos chips will be manufactured using a 7nm processor, while Hercules chips can be 7nm or 5nm processors. Generally speaking ARM-based chips have a well-earned reputation for consuming less power than their Intel and AMD counterparts, which means you can expect laptops powered by the upcoming chips to offer long battery life and feature thin, light, and probably fanless designs. The chips also often have integrated graphics and built-in support for WiFi, Bluetooth, and cellular connectivity, which reduces the need for multi-chip solutions. That said, it’s not like Intel and AMD are sitting still waiting for ARM to catch up. Intel’s Gemini Lake Celeron and Pentium processors are low-power chips for low-end computers that tend to use around 5 watts of power, and the company’s Core Y-series chips are higher-performance (and higher-priced) 4.5 watt processors based on architecture more closely related to the company’s 15 watt U-series chips. All of which is to say, if battery life is your sole concern, you can already find plenty of thin and light Intel-powered computers that offer 8-10 hours of battery life. And AMD’s new(ish) Ryzen Mobile processors for laptops use between 12W and 25W while offering performance that’s competitive with Intel’s U-series chips. Still, as Intel and AMD duke it out in the top-of-the-line, multi-core desktop CPU race, it’s interesting to see the companies are facing increased competition at the low-power end of the spectrum from ARM. These are ARM certified SoC designs that are not dependent upon Qualcomm and anybody can license, modify, improve and use them. This opens up the bottom end of Wintel's world to any of the Hockey Stick boys to go in and take what they want to take. These designs can (and will) support laptops, tablets, power phones, if you can name it they can do it. If you run these designs hard (with proper cooling) up at the same watt/consumption numbers as Intel uses for the i5-7300 they will punch far far far higher up in the Intel line up than just Core i5-7300 ...... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/16/18 at 09:42:03 https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/16/arm-says-chips-will-outperform-intel-laptop-cpus/ Engadget is a PC based publication, not an ARM fanboy publication by anybody's guess. So, this is opposition press saying Intel is getting ready to go under water in the toilet bowl swirl contest ...... ARM says its next processors will outperform Intel laptop chips ...... the lines officially cross around December of this year ...... http://https://s.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/d897c83ca52c5943cf2a92e2a03d0d17/206596781/arm-compute-roadmap-2020.jpg While ARM already believes that its recently unveiled Cortex-A76 is competitive with Intel's 2.6GHz Core i5-7300U, it expects its 2019 "Deimos" and 2020 "Hercules" designs to clearly outperform that CPU. You would get "laptop-class" speed from a more efficient mobile chip, according to the company. Of course, it's worth taking ARM's braggadocio with a grain of salt. The figures don't include Intel's comparable 8th-generation Core chips that pack twice as many cores and could easily shrink the performance gap. This is also based on one synthetic, integer-oriented benchmark (SPEC CINT2006), not a broader suite of tests that would measure floating point math and other performance traits. ARM is putting its best foot forward rather than offering definitive proof. Even so, it's telling that ARM might be in the ballpark. There's already talk of Qualcomm making a truly laptop-worthy Snapdragon in the near future -- Deimos and Hercules could be fast enough that you might choose an ARM-based PC for a speed advantage, not just longer battery life. And that could give Intel a good reason to panic. Intel is still struggling to make 10-nanometer chips at the same time as ARM is talking about 7nm and 5nm parts. If Intel can't find a way to stay ahead, it may see big PC makers switching to ARM as they look for more powerful options. Look up at the chart, it shows the current per core performance trends from Intel and from ARM. These curves partially explain why Intel has doubled down and doubled down again on the number of big energy wasting CISC cores that they are using to stay "competitive". The bogus blog narrative Intel is promoting on the Win sites right now says that Core i5 is a low end chipset, not a mid-range chipset. We expect Intel to re-name and re-rank all their stuff yet again in a frantic attempt to muddy up the water about them losing out all their low range AND THEIR MID RANGE to ARM products by the end of the 2018 year. This contest does not mention AMD who has been following Intel's "many many more big cores" ideas and is simply doing it marginally better than Intel is doing it, by actively using 10nm and 7nm TSMC lithography which is BTW working out just fine for AMD. Also please remember, by 2020 ARM will be shipping real products using 5nm TSMC SoCs and Intel will just barely by then be shipping Intel built 10nm CPUs (if they actually do make it work this time around). ARM is currently shipping real 7nm TSMC SoCs for real and TSMC is doubling their production building space for 5nm as we speak as they have already proven out the 5nm EUV process pretty well now on advanced memory products at this point in time. It works just fine. AMD and Zhongshan Subor (Chinese domestic producer of AMD designs) have pinched off about half of Intel's current oriental chipset business already, with more to be taken by year's end. Since TSMC is now planning on using their entire new building for 5nm lines, a new building has broken ground this past month which will be the TSMC 3nm production building which is going to roll in very quickly now that 7nm is a roaring success and 5nm has proven out well making memory. Yes, TSMC 3nm starting in 2020-2021. And the guy writing in blue above doesn't get the point that Intel is using HUGE massive CISC cores in 6-8-12 counts to try to claim "efficiency" when the small ARM A-76 cores have started to individually outperform the massive Intel CISC cores and ARM can easily match whatever core count Intel uses for whatever market they care to contest. In short, Intel can't win this race, either in whole or in particulars. ARM's new designs are built to be Intel laptop killers, that was their intended purpose from design start point that began a year ago. ::) :-/ :P Yep, Intel is indeed fairly deep down in the whirlpool throat at this point in time, spinning madly and Intel is still headed further down, down, down into the shitter. You need to check your retirement plan, as many plans are deep into holding lots and lots of Intel common stock that just got down rated again by the pundits. When all the retirement plans quit auto buying Intel, then the house of cards begins to collapse. Get yourself out of Intel before you go lose a chunk of your retirement money ...... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/17/18 at 08:18:59 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/08/intels-10nm-cannon-lake-chip-gets-another-outing-in-new-nuc-mini-pc/ http://https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/tall-nuc-front.jpg Intel, desperate again to show stockholders some sort of moves towards the future, has again run the 10nm line for yet another broken trial production lot, making yet another pile of ONLY HALF FUNCTIONAL CHIP SETS that have lost well over half of the production quantity already on the very first sort after production. And that sort pre-assumed the GPU wasn't workable, they were just looking for a functional CPU side of the chipset. So far only a single low volume proposed Intel NUC finished unit has been proposed, no unit production dates or unit costs have been announced. No units means no performance tests have been done to date. By doing it all in house Intel gets to hide as much of the ugly stuff in as much as they can ---- HOWEVER the finished units will not be able to be hidden however and will get into the hands of the press and the pundits and the benchmark boys. Next is a pair of NUC Mini PCs named Crimson Canyon. Unlike the kits, these are complete systems: processor, memory, storage, and an operating system (Windows 10 Home). They also have very unusual internals: they use Intel's weird 10nm Cannon Lake i3-8121U (two-core, four-thread, 2.2-3.2GHz), previously only available in a single Lenovo laptop. Intel's 10nm process is fraught with difficulties—the company isn't expecting volume 10nm production until the second half of next year. That Intel is using this chip in new systems suggests that its yields may slowly be improving and that it has more of the processors available than it once did. One of the things that makes the 8121U unusual (aside from it being the sole 10nm Intel chip) is that it doesn't have a functional GPU, with suspicions that the 10nm yields are so low that Intel can't get the GPU to work reliably. To handle this deficit, Intel is pairing the processor with a discrete Radeon 540 GPU with its own 2GB of GDDR5. So, you will be paying for a SLOW as molasses Intel SoC that half of it works poorly and the other half simply doesn't work at all and you will then have to pay even more $$$ for an AMD Radeon 540 GPU (complete with video memory) to make up for the Intel inside graphics and on-board memory that Intel can't seem to get to work period. And the resulting kluged together mess is simply sub-par performance-wise and does not work as well as current 14nm Intel chipsets can do for less money. Plus, this Crimson Canyon is quite expensive with all the replacement GPU and memory costs that it includes. And Intel proudly touts this to their stockholders as "great progress in 10nm" as all their competitors are busily leaving the 10nm arena for 7nm and 5nm for CPUs and 3nm for memory. Intel called the original failed trial lot sorted components "Crimson Trace" perhaps because of the blood smear it left on the tile floor in passing. Now, this time around Intel calls it "Crimson Canyon" ...... perhaps this is that a code name for "a larger bloody mess" or is it simply commentary on what it does for Intel's production profits for the quarter after running it yet again? Make no mistake, manning and cranking up a failed production plant isn't a cheap thing to do if you can't readily sell all the product that it makes. And designing and producing a special NUC motherboard that allows installation of a make up AMD GPU chip (complete with separate replacement video memory) is an insanely expensive thing to do just for a stockholder PR stunt. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/21/18 at 17:06:56 https://liliputing.com/2018/08/steam-for-linux-now-lets-you-play-some-windows-games-on-linux.html We mentioned Gabe at Steam was going to support a Wine derived methodology to run Windows games on Linux over at Steam. This just went Beta and is available now right now for use on Steam Client games and on Steam Play Service games. These are a subset of all games that are run off of Steam loaded and Steam controlled software and drivers, not using the raw AMD or NVIDIA drivers/software. Two dozen AAA titles came out with the announcement, with other titles coming out as the software gets proven out by Steam users worldwide. Gabe is also an early supporter of using Flatpacks to install Steam itself on Linux machines. These too are available to use right now. So, I have used Gabe's Flatpack tech to put Steam on my newest version of my same old Linux box and I have about half my Windows games are now available to run on my Linux install. Not too shabby for something that only became known a few months ago. The cracking sound you hear is Microsoft's gaming monopoly cracking like an over-stressed ice sheet ...... Windows Games on Linux ---- yes indeed, it smells like a real thing it does. Another New Thing ........ Win 95 is now freely available now as an app. Many older Windows games can run off of Win 95 as that was legacy supported by the Windows gaming industry until just 3-4 years ago. Flatpacks jugging both are showing up as we speak. NEWS as of August 28th --- Steam has converted over 1,000 Windows games now to run on Linux flatpacks. Since Gabe knows what you have in your library, some of your Windows only games instantly rolled over to the "supported on Linux" category. ================================================== Next real thing, 7nm - 5nm 3rd generation SoC samples are now shipping from both Huawei and Qualcomm as of Tuesday of this week. These new production lines much much quicker than before using a direct to silicon EUV process. No multiple multiple multiple tank dunkings and ever finer masking steps are required any more. Production orders are being taken by both players to be bulk produced by TSMC as soon as Apple finishes up their production runs for this year or an additional one of the brand new (very newest type) ASML lines finishes installation at TSMC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKxJ3SQB0og Watch this one, shorter and better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH6Urfqt_d4 Rumor has it that the very newest ASML lines can do either 5nm or 7nm, the program focusing and aiming the EUV electron laser beam being the only real difference as the EUV electron laser beam can be tightened up still further, potentially down to 3nm out in the future. So the same ASLM EUV set up can put close access memory down right on the same substrate as the SoC proper ...... or it can actually blend the systems memory lay down into the SoC'o design itself for the very closest fastest access memory location and to make for the very best throughput speeds. So far Apple and Qualcomm are the only players in this new "memory inside SoC" tech wrinkle. Because of the functional die shrink there is LOTS of free room on the SoC silicon to hold this new close access memory (or a bunch more cores, or a big AI subsection --- you name it, there is LOTS of room for it and the newest ASLM machines can certainly put it there). Why Intel can't just go buy a couple of these new ASLM set ups is far far far beyond my limited understanding ....... excessive pride and 'not invented here" simply isn't enough justification to my limited "comprehension ability" to allow your company to go down the toilet swirl as Intel is currently doing. =================================================== https://seekingalpha.com/article/4201847-intels-10nm-problems-implications-far-beyond-market-seeing https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-cpu-10nm-earnings-amd,36967.html https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/05/27/intel-could-pay-a-costly-price-for-its-10nm-chip-p.aspx Intel has screwed the pooch and these folks predicted what would follow. At the time they did these predictions, Intel had only lost 1% of their market share. These folks predicted 20-25% share loss inside the first year and they were correct so far as Intel has dipped 10% of that 25% already, with the pace of loss increasing each month which is sorta scary. Intel's attempts at mitigation have SO FAR not been effective, except in jacking up the cost of Intel products with all those extra cores (ditto for the costly "other people's GPUs" that have been tagged on to Intel products recently). Indeed, large security concerns are now popping up all over Intel's attempts at mitigating their market share losses, BRAND NEW security concern items which will eventually cost poor old Intel far more than the Intel speed ups ever saved. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/26/18 at 18:15:00 https://pocketnow.com/arm-5nm-hercules-2020 http://https://pocketnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/arm-chip.jpg Semiconductor design firm ARM has done something extremely out of character: it has announced a roadmap for its product timeline into 2020. The chip designer ARM is claiming that it is confident it can keep up with the pressure of always-connected 5G network demands and can beat Moore’s Law by breaking above the double-performance barrier in two year’s time. Furthermore, at a time when Intel’s position in the chip market appears to be unstable with Apple and traditional PC makers experimenting with different silicon for different form factors, ARM may be able to cement itself as the IP source for chipmakers into the next lucrative phase of computing — Windows on ARM through Qualcomm is a big example of that. It will begin this year with plans to bring the Cortex-A76 design, announced in May, down from its current second-generation 10nm fabrication to 7nm with commercial products launching by the end of this year. ARM then moves into codename mode: “Deimos” will take over for 2019 based on the 7nm process, then “Hercules” will take a refined 7nm and then bring on down to 5nm in 2020. The company told us that Hercules will bring a 250 percent performance jump from 2016’s Cortex-A73. All designs will run on a thermal design of 5 watts or less versus the 15W on standard Intel laptop products — realistically, that means phones will have to run with big.LITTLE arrangements of a few powerful cores and several efficiency cores. And unlike Intel’s offerings, workloads will still be on single threads. That said, the cores will be marketed to work with phone and tablet form factors. The watermarks that ARM expects us to be talking about in the next couple of years are streaming 8K video and high-quality mixed reality content. Samsung has also announced its roadmap for silicon this year and it seems to be taking chips down to 4nm with new lithography technology and new transistor designs. Media were given an opportunity to ask questions about whether ARM’s fabricator partners were ready to take on challenges and costs associated with smaller dies. The company gave us assurances that it was lock step with said partners, but has yet to provide specifics. Update: We asked a couple of questions relating to how ARM’s fabrication partners may be able to scale to new transistor technologies as die sizes shrink. Cost is a big issue in making these transitions and those costs eventually get passed along to consumers. Here’s the response from ARM: Arm IP is designed to be used on multiple generations of process nodes, and the IP itself is configurable to stay within area and power budgets. For example, the Cortex-A76 is targeted at 10nm/7nm, and ‘Hercules’ at 7nm/5nm. Cortex-A76 also supports DynamIQ technology, which allows partners to scale the use from 1+3, 2+6 or 4+4 configurations. These configurations are examples used to serve entry, mid-range, and upper premium markets where process nodes vary. This flexibility of process, and configuration options of the IP at implementation time, and DynamIQ technology, allow Arm partners to balance their needs across all the tiers in economically viable process nodes. What does it all mean? The new ASLM process cells are working well and Intel is ripe and has already been primed by ARM to lose additional market share (increases beyond the current 21%) before Christmas time this year (2018). AMD and their two Chinese co-contractors have already gotten their carving knives out and have already started slicing on some tasty slabs of ham off the Intel Christmas ham. Ditto for Huawei and the other Chinese phone makers --- all of them are now making laptops and Chromebooks now-a-days and all of them are putting forth AI empowered designs with larger and larger AI blocks that are based on phone type technology. Intel is rapidly losing market share in China and is trying to obfuscate how bad the losses really already are by any trick they can come up with. Please remember, those new ASLM production lines installed at TSMC can run 7nm, 5nm, (and by Samsung's latest real world sample releases all the way down to 4nm) RIGHT NOW as we speak. :o |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Eegore on 08/27/18 at 05:56:49 Where did you get the 20-25% market share losses numbers? |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/27/18 at 15:57:58 "Where did you get the 20-25% market share losses numbers?" read up in page #2 of this thread for the first mention of these compiled figures The first predictors assembled these predicted 20-25% figures based on what AMD and ARM were doing separately. So far only 15-20% market share loss has reliably impartially hit "measurably really" actually occurred in USA consumer PC space, to this could be add an additional "up to 10% additional lost market share" by year's end if you take in China and the AMD/Hygon servers and what Hygon is doing to Intel rack space market share over in China's server space. However, the rate of shift between "theoretical prediction" and reality is increasing at an amazing rate month on month. AMD is also partnering with Zhongshan Subor and other Chinese console and all-in-one makers, literally cooking them up specially designed "just for them" AMD SoC versions with state of the art on chip graphics that have everything they want on the same inexpensive piece of silicon wafer. Actually, the main unexpected "official support" for this 20-25% figure comes from the mouth of the ex-CEO of Intel, Brian Matthew Krzanich. who punted the 20-25% number himself publicly a week before Intel ran him off from his CEO job. Issue with all of these numbers is that Intel isn't going to tell anybody officially about their market share loss numbers --- as a matter of fact "according to Intel" they are still growing instead of shrinking. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/27/reuters-america-intel-shares-slip-on-worries-of-data-center-losses-to-rival-amd.html https://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-amd-ryzen-cpu-market-share-july-2018/ Here is the hard facts, Intel started out this year with a virtual monopoly in PC space and in gaming space combined with a virtual monopoly in server rack space world-wide. Since then AMD has risen up to be selling in just as many newly produced AMD chipsets as Intel is selling in newly produced Intel chipsets, with both of these numbers only counting only current production sell thru of newly produced units. These are worldwide numbers, not local American marketplace numbers. Intel is still relatively strong in the USA market, but Intel is not as strong as it was last year by any one's guesstimate. (Intel is known to have bulging warehouses full of old stuff that isn't moving at all because Intel hasn't discounted it enough to make it appealing to end users and PC builders). But Intel sure has replaced all the old part numbers with brand new part numbers (generally with a pair of extra CPU cores mounted on the topmost chips as an extra cost bonus). https://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-amd-ryzen-cpu-market-share-july-2018/ Another way to look at it (a quick and dirty way) is that any reliable new AMD sales figures are by definition actually also Intel market share loss figures for the last 2 year period. Start out with a solid monopoly and when your competitor actually picks up xx% then you just lost that exact same percentage in worldwide market share. https://www.amd.com/en/press-releases/press-release-2018-07-25 “We had an outstanding second quarter with strong revenue growth, margin expansion and our highest quarterly net income in seven years,” said Dr. Lisa Su, AMD president and CEO. “Most importantly, we believe our long-term technology bets position us very well for the future. We are confident that with the continued execution of our product roadmaps, we are on an excellent trajectory to drive market share gains and profitable growth.” Q2 2018 Results Revenue was $1.76 billion, up 53 percent year-over-year and 7 percent quarter-over-quarter. The year-over-year increase was driven by higher revenue in both the Computing and Graphics and Enterprise, Embedded and Semi-Custom business segments. The sequential increase was driven by higher revenue in the Enterprise, Embedded and Semi-Custom segment. Gross margin grew to 37 percent, up 3 percentage points year-over-year, driven by the ramp of new products. On a sequential basis, gross margin was up 1 percentage point primarily driven by a richer mix of revenue in the Enterprise, Embedded and Semi-Custom segment. On a GAAP basis, operating income was $153 million compared to an operating loss of $1 million a year ago and operating income of $120 million in the prior quarter. Net income was $116 million compared to a net loss of $42 million a year ago and net income of $81 million in the prior quarter. Diluted earnings per share was $0.11, compared to a loss per share of $0.04 a year ago and diluted earnings per share of $0.08 in the prior quarter. On a non-GAAP1 basis, operating income was $186 million compared to operating income of $23 million a year ago and $152 million in the prior quarter. Non-GAAP1 net income was $156 million compared to a net loss of $7 million a year ago and net income of $121 million in the prior quarter. Non-GAAP diluted earnings per share was $0.14, compared to a loss per share of $0.01 a year ago and diluted earnings per share of $0.11 in the prior quarter. Cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities were $983 million at the end of the quarter. http://https://www.amd.com/system/files/149382-table-1_0.jpg http://https://www.amd.com/system/files/149382-table-2_0.jpg =================================================== Remember, Intel can open up with their old warehouse stocks of the last 2 generations across all of Intel's processor ranges and Intel could generate a massive amount of short term sales once they get really serious about discounting all their old stuff enough to simply get it to move on out of those warehouses. The market is expecting Intel to do exactly that about the same time as the ARM new product wave hits, with Intel suddenly willing to take these big losses to move a huge mass of old inventory while intentionally paying this discount financial bookkeeping loss adjustment simply to stifle ARM's sell in wave. The trick here is that the better half of the old Intel stuff will compete favorably with the new ARM stuff once Intel cuts their selling price in half or less ,,,,, then discounts it again for volume to builders for a fast sale. These will be the months to go buy you a new PC, as you will get some real deals then, some serious serious good deals. ::) |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/29/18 at 15:59:39 Passmark has posted their 2nd quarter market share numbers for Intel and AMD. Intel has indeed lost 21% market share to AMD, with the numbers cycling around the 80% / 20% split for the first half of the year. http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/AMD-CPU-Market-Share-Q1-2018.png LATEST NEWS FROM AMD AMD and Global Foundries have parted efforts on trying to use Global Foundries to do anything smaller than 12nm. Global has always followed Intel's technical lead and following that Intel lead has taken Global deep into a technical disaster that they cannot get out of (just as Intel is stuck and cannot get out their disastrous mess either). Just like Intel, Global is now stuck in a huge huge repeated time after time series of 10nm failures in their repeated attempts to get to 10nm and below using multiple multiple masks and old school immersion lithography. With the AMD abandonment, the Saudi princes funding Global have pulled the money plug on any future 10nm attempts from Global Foundries. This translates into a serious effort to replace the Saudi dollars by immediate cost cutting efforts -- Global Foundry just cold fired 450 employees to help balance their internal costs better. AMD is rolling all of AMD's development effort and $$$ over to the new ASLM / TSMC 7nm to 5nm processes that are currently making 7nm processors at rate at TSMC, with good evidence already existing that 5nm and 3nm are already able to work pretty well and are going to be able to move into place within the next two years. As AMD rolls completely over to TSMC, they will reap additional cost advantages and throughput advantages over Intel that should increase their market share further past the 20% point. Also note there may soon be a third ARM PROCESSOR line showing up on these charts as ARM/Qualcomm just posted the first test run results on their new Snapdragon 1000 laptop chipset --- first results are up in the mid Core i5 range. Samples of this SoC are now being provided to Chromebook and Laptop builders with Christmas unit production still theoretically possible if Qualcomm kept the same socket and pin connection pattern so that the new chip could drop right into existing ARM based Win 10 laptop motherboards. ARM has followed this up with the announcement of TWO BRAND NEW Big and Little core generations and new "stack-able" AI modules and new graphics booster modules to go along with it. These new items are STATED directly from ARM to be Intel Core i5 and Core i7 competitors while running at less than half the Intel required wattage. First glimmers from the Snapdragon 1000 test units show 27 hour battery life at mid to lower Core i5 performance levels. Cost is unknown, but a product built off this at a reasonable price could sell well enough to get Microsoft to tune an OS variant specifically for it. These are new market share losses that are pending for Intel. The larger ones that will really count the most first off will be the new Chinese foundries that the China Gov. just finished, making AMD derived Chinese rack server chipsets (especially once they kick into making external commercial production -- all that capacity is currently taken up right now making lots & lots of chips for some really big top secret military implementations). Note that the Chinese Military was a very large Intel customer that was certainly counted in Intel's market share numbers in the chart up above but has now rolled over to using domestic produced AMD Epic style server chipsets. ::) |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Dibble on 08/31/18 at 07:02:33 5C7C7E766B7C190 wrote:
Future looks bright for AMD if that's correct. And for us as end users too. You never know with these things though. Things can change fast. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/31/18 at 21:04:00 https://liliputing.com/2018/08/huawei-introduces-kirin-980-7nm-octa-core-chip-with-dual-neural-processing-units.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/kirin-980-680x355.jpg READ THE POWERPOINT SLIDE CAREFULLY -- it is announcing a chunk of the technological leadership changeover stuff that we have been tracking for quite a bit now. If you totally believe all of Huawei's PR stuff then Apple is NOT the phone tech leader any more, Qualcomm is not the phone processor nor the cell tower radio tech leader any more, Intel isn't squat for nothing and Google is over there to the sidelines now instead of out on the center of the playing field. Now here is what is really shocking --- all of these items are actually partially to mostly true at this particular moment in time over in the China / India / Indonesia zone. And yes, until Apple releases the next wave of two new iPhones Apple has indeed lost the numerical #1 crown to Huawei, but that happens each year anyway (Samsung generally picks up the #1 volume crown for 3-4 months out of each year). What is the real truth? Huawei is a solid #3 contender who has bumped off whomever is #2 several times in the last 2 years, taking #2 (or now somewhat steadily -- sometimes as high as the #1 spot) based on volume of sales. Huawei sells a lot of phones in China and in India where their quirky cell tower broadband system is the "regional standard" as Huawei is the largest cell tower tech provider over there in Asia. Huawei has a very solid tech base and is now COMPLETELY CURRENT with ARM's A76 generation and 7nm TSMC production design. They have their own odd form of 4G LTE and their own odd form of 5G that are formidable if backed up with their own home grown cellular tech installed inside the cell towers (they are the tower standard in the India/China marketplace, btw). This new tech supposedly does not violate Qualcomm base patents or else it actually holds a license for the very few old Qualcomm tech items that still have to be used ...... What Huawei has accomplished is to take out Samsung in raw volume. This is really all Huawei has accomplished volume-wise right now. This is also what Huawei needed to do, and they planned well and they did it. You can ditto Qualcomm also if you want to, as Qualcomm isn't as important now at all to the Chinese phone makers as they are buying their radio components from each other now instead of from Qualcomm. Neither Qualcomm CPU nor Qualcomm radio patents are "base natural" to the Chinese cell tower systems any longer. Improved alternate standard have been put forward and accepted, so there is an entire chunk of the world that doesn't pay royalties to Qualcomm any longer. And this is all really a simple reflection of the China/India/Indonesia market simply growing so so much faster than USA/Europe/Russia. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 08/31/18 at 21:53:47 Prediction Time: Just as Global Foundry has moved their 10nm multi-mask immersion lithography process lines out to the curb as "unfixable" so should Intel. Or else simply continue to use those multi-mask immersion lithography lines at 14nm-12nm like you have been doing and stop wasting time and money trying for 10nm and below on equipment that jest flat cannot do it ...... Give it up, the technology you bought back then and cannot get to work right now STILL isn't going to be cost competitive at all right now when thrown up against the lower production costs and far higher yields of the brand new ASML 7nm-5nm-3nm "direct burn" lithography processes, new stuff that can now be bought simply for lots & lots of money and a 2 year waiting list wait. Everybody in Asia took a number already, so you are now delayed at least another generation level even if you had the down payment coins to take a number. You should both go take a number to get a year 2020 brand new 5nm-3nm equipment installation appointment with ASML .... or else simply admit you are planning to exit the industry when your old stuff loses all its 14nm to 12nm demand. Or do like IBM before them, you can just stick with only providing the older tech chipsets until the demand drops away to zero, then simply fade away to "out of business" status. =================================================== There are a lot of players that by default are actually now planning to enter the ASML direct burn lithography levels at 5nm-3nm, simply because they didn't act soon enough (ot lacked the ready coins to buy in quickly) to take a "make my line" down payment ticket in time to get a 7nm production cell -- they didn't act early enough to actually be there at the 7nm time span. The 7nm direct burn generation may wind up being a short duration lithography stage anyway since the both the 5nm and 4nm direct burn levels have already proven out at Samsung already. Sammy will only sink money on a long term lithography level, not a short term level that has already passed everybody else by. TSMC and Qualcomm have both done SoCs at 7nm and 5nm already. TSMC is selling 5nm memory in large production volumes already. Of course memory is a lot easier than CPUs and GPUs, which is why they debug lithography changeovers on memory production first --- you get to run the piss out of it at high yields and make a good profit while doing it. Apple has already run its A-12 generation of iPhone chips at 7nm already and is gonna want to drop down a lithography level in 2019 to take advantage of the very newest ARM designs. In 2019-2020 Apple will fund TSMC to go work out all the rest of the ugly out of a 5nm "could maybe even cover a laptop" 5nm direct burn A-13 production level for their new Apple A-13 SoCs. Samsung has already bought a dozen of their ASML 5nm capable production equipment and has already run samples down as low as 4nm at this point in time. This is direct burn lithography in action -- faster levels of progress, faster production times, less cost in the finished product. On the flip side, folks see Global Foundries paying the death price for betting on the wrong technology, following right along behind Intel who showed them the pathway to failure in the first place. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 09/07/18 at 17:01:46 This one is odd ...... requires a little thought on your part as AMD is right now selling in new stuff in as fast as Intel is, so that half the current supply amount is not just coming from Intel right now. Intel is failing to supply their less than 50% of total PC demand at this point in time. So whatever is happening at Intel it is effectively at a 50+% level ..... https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/06/.../intel-cant-crank-chips-out-fast-enough.asp... https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel-14nm-supply-shortfall https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel-14nm-h310-production AMD is now getting even more new orders because Intel cannot supply what the customers want when they want it. Throughput and yield issues at Intel 14+++ are simply killing Intel, and they can't move down to 10nm because it doesn't work for them AT ALL. Meanwhile, Samsung has just rebuilt and tuned up their old immersion & mask equipment to do 8nm ARM designs with "standard multi-mask" right now (taking orders for it right now). TSMC has picked up all of Intel's ASML build slots that Intel dropped the ball on, converted them to 5nm orders and now has at least 20 new ASML machines in process to be delivered inside 1 year. Samsung just took delivery on 12 new 5nm TSMC machines and converted a bunch of their first gen 10nm immersion lines to 8nm. Intel, ZERO new EUV machines in process beyond the one (1) that went to the R&D building. ::) Intel can BS their way out of many things (and they do, ongoing) but they can't avoid the BS tax when they miss shipping real orders that they agreed to accept enough times in a row and FLAT LOSE their customers for lack of performance. Intel's latest strategy (raise the price significantly to lower the demand to what they can currently supply) is really a stone stinkin' loser of a strategy. Short term it makes you an extra dollar while your customer struggles to find another supplier that can supply the goods that he really needs at a price that can be afforded. In other words, it tells affected customers it is time to move to somebody else and it just encourages Intel's newest competition to come on out even harder and faster. The price gouging just tells Intel's customer base it really really is time to move on over to a second line of product built using an AMD chipset. One questions if Intel actually does intend to depart the foundry business inside the next 2 years and what we are seeing now are the Intel exit strategies rolling out into public view? Brian Krzanich touted this "exit the Consumer Foundry business strategy" as a plan several times in the past two years and actually tried to shut down new consumer chip development once for almost a full year before being forced by his board to restart things when his Automotive and IoT "take over the world" initiatives tanked badly. =================================================== (three days later) Confirmation of Intel's reported inability to make the chips that they had already committed to make comes from Hewlett Packard Enterprise. just read it ..... sorta blunt and easy to understand https://www.semiaccurate.com/2018/09/07/intel-cant-supply-14nm-xeons-hpe-directly-recommends-amd-epyc/ In this report Intel is sluffing off on the higher complexity chipsets and using what 14nm build capability they still have to do their simpler consumer CPUs. =================================================== (four days later) AMD is busy kicking Intel's arse all over the place cost-wise using chips that are built to AMD's specs at Global Foundry and at TSMC. TSMC is taking more and more of this volume, especially at 10nm and below. Intel has finally paid attention to this AMD/TSMC trend and Intel has "reportedly" just placed a set of chip orders with TSMC for some of their standard bread and butter chipsets to be built at 14nm, Intel intends just to cover their production losses due to low process yields on the newer Intel processors (the last ones with the extra two cores tacked on to existing Intel designs). Run this up the flagpole and see if the troops salute it ---- Intel intends to use more and more TSMC contract production runs, especially using TSMC for the ever lower lithography levels that Intel can't get to work right at their own factory. :o ...... makes you sorta wonder, doesn't it ...... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 09/15/18 at 22:17:18 https://www.semiaccurate.com/2018/08/16/deimos-and-hercules-appear-on-the-arm-roadmap/ A-76 Deimos Hercules http://https://www.semiaccurate.com/assets/uploads/2018/08/ARM_Deimos_Hercules_performance_graph-617x282.jpg The future according to ARM This slide comes with a lot of caveats. First the workload is strictly single threaded but the power is at the SoC level. Intel is at 15W, ARM is at 5W. The 2 core Intel machine could hyperthread four of those threads at 15W, albeit with some loss of peak 1T performance while the ARM SoC could probably do the same at a much lower 5W as it is an unnamed compute form factor SoC which is unlikely to have less than four big cores. That means it can likely sustain the 5W TDP with ease for extended periods of time and the same holds true for the Intel CPU at 15 TDP. Whatever those losses may be on either side the 3x energy use delta pretty much hands the performance and battery life win to ARM. *(Note: ARM was asked why they didn’t include the newer 8xxx Intel CPUs in the graph. The answer was pretty simple, all of the testing was done with purchased devices and ARM couldn’t find an 8xxx Intel CPU on the market to test with when they ran the numbers.) The intent of this reveal is to show that ARM is capable of not just beating Intel at their strong suit, single threaded performance, but doing so at significantly lower power levels. This may seem like a stretch but if you look at current ARM architectural license cores like the Apple A11 and the Cavium/Marvell Thunder X2/Vulcan, it is pretty clear that ARM cores can hit pretty high performance levels. More importantly the vanilla ARM cores are designed for a wide frequency range so they leave some performance on the table to gain that flexibility. If you take an ARM core and design it for a small number of workloads and frequency ranges, you can get a lot more performance out of the SoC, and we mean a lot. The classic example of this is the Apple A11 which currently trounces the best Intel has at performance per Watt and in many cases raw performance. The numbers SemiAccurate has seen for the A12 show it gains about 50% more single threaded performance without changing energy use. Some of this is process related but most of it is architectural. You will see in a few weeks and you will be impressed. So in the end Deimos and Hercules are the next two from ARM and the gains are pretty impressive. The current A76 is a big step over the still kind of current A75. Hercules will be just as big a step over A76 but Deimos 7nm+++ slots itself in-between. In any case ARM should be right in the mix for thin and light laptops but with substantial feature improvements over Intel like 5G, always on, instant on, and more. With the added performance off the new architectures, raw CPU performance will be right up there with the best. OK, when this came out originally everyone was all amazed and everyone said "Hey, ARM NEVER releases information on anything until it is acturally being built by a vendor and they say something publicaly." I said that myself too, and I surely wondered what was up. What's up is becoming a lot clearer now. Apple is what's up. Samsung is what's up. Qualcomm is what's up. TSMC and Samsung 7nm+++ is what's up. Samsung/Qualcomm/TSMC 5nm is what's up. All this stuff got announced by the players at the last German PC show. Apple is now working on doing trial production runs at TSMC's EUV 7nm+++ process at this time on a Deimos based (very very tweeked) SoC called the A13. Look at the big chart with the explanations added to it. It isn't just some proposed BS vaporware like Intel would do -- these are trial run SoCs already really exist and there are proposed 2019 and 2020 products are being designed and built around these sample SoCs from these sample runs at this time. So ARM actually did what it always does, only after their customer/vendor/builders make their initial first real moves will ARM announce their next generation publicly. The last two dots on the chart are Deimos and Hercules from ARM. Deimos is a 7nm+++ half generation EUV process move on a 5nm intended Hercules full generation move, with the SoC design and the tech being used is essentially the same. So the ARM full secrecy goes back into place now. So you can now expect a new ARM generation will be announced to replace Hercules right about the same time as 5nm Hercules is being built out in large runs of products and these first trial lots of the new not named yet ARM stuff at 3nm gate all around are built. Apple's A13 will be the first tweeked member of this current fully announced Deimos generation. Apple's A14 will likely be the first 5nm ARM Hercules design coming out inside the next two years. Huawei and Apple are neck & neck right now on their 7nm++ "firsts" but they are both being leapfrogged right now by the others going down to 5nm in the background right now as we speak. ::) 7nm+++ (alias Deimos) is firmly in the pipeline for next year for full production in phones. Current Apple production efforts says it is real. So it is all becoming real now ...... Intel actually went underwater on per core performance at that first A-76 dot on the chart and the lines will officially cross there at that first A-76 dot when the next version of this chart comes out. =================================================== * A point to be made here about Intel. Intel makes outlandish claims for planned new stuff and touts the the new stuff like crazy at least a year before you can buy any of it. This does not mean it is real or is ever going to be real. Intel marketing lies a lot, in other words. ARM won't even talk about their stuff until a vendor is actually producing it. This means the Intel boys are posting bogus performance claims like a year in advance of Intel's "reality only you can buy it right now stuff". Yes, baffling their consumer customer base with verbal trickery is certainly a part of Intel's little black bag of tricks. If ARM is firmly ahead in this sort of race, it means ARM is really WAY WAY out in front by the time Intel finally gets itself into the starting blocks for real ..... if they ever get there that is. ARM is staying another whole 1-2 generations ahead in general now ....... It takes ARM less time to roll an entire processor generation than it takes Intel to get around to actually making the stuff they are bragging about right now. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 09/17/18 at 11:09:46 Prediction Time This is where I make predictions and we all see how many come true. Intel is going to fail noticeably on production, shortfalling their own already pre-sold chip production numbers by varying increasing amounts for the next year, increasing the shortfall amounts to over 20% by early next year. This is with using the "stopgap" TSMC contract production of Intel's CPU designs, with Intel trying to bridge this gap with non-Intel production of Intel designs. Intel, in direct contradiction of all their PR from the last 3 years will bring out a line of 22nm new products. Why? Intel had very good yields at 22nm, something they do not have at 14nm as we are learning more and more. Plus, Intel has under utilized 22nm lines and has finished proven designs to run on them. Intel will also re-stencil some old warehouse stocks of 22nm products that have been slowly moldering on the shelves ...... buyer beware !!! AMD will make hay during this period of time, with all machine building vendors coming out with AMD processor based units to meet their own unit production demand figures. Intel's agreements with the larger builders to not use anyone else's chips will falter and break because Intel cannot meet the builders production requirements. Intel's ongoing production failures will break the agreements, not the builders. ARM based Deimos and Hercules processors will be created during this period of time and any of these units that get built and sold will be a net market share loss for Intel and for AMD. Get used to seeing TSMC make Intel's most modern chip designs for them. Watch out very carefully to see if what you are thinking about buying actually has an old tech 22nm Intel processor in it. Before long Intel will want TSMC to build some 7nm and 5nm and 3nm Intel designs in ever larger batches because Intel simply can't do it themselves. ::) Watch Intel begin walking away from the cutting edge of the foundry business just like Brian Krzanich told us Intel was planning to do. Krzanich said this the in the weeks right before Intel fired his arse. =================================================== https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/05/apple-informs-intel-5g-modems-not-needed-iphones/ So, why is Intel "phasing down" on their smaller chip building technology? Intel is currently 2 generations behind the industry lithography level and the voltage requirements of their various cellular modem technologies (22nm at 5 volts) is getting out of step with the current 7nm products generation that only provide 3.6 volts natural inside the device any more. Because of this, Intel is losing customers. They just lost Apple as a cellular modem customer for 2019-2020 due to Apple designing and building their own modem / base band set that fully integrates into the Apple SoC design. Products that make the jump to 7nm and below can't readily use old higher voltage style components. As screens go down to lower and lower voltages this divide will become bigger and harder to bridge. So, both Qualcomm and Intel are losing cellular modem customers due to self designed SoC level "integrated implementations for lowered costs". Both companies are seeing more of their larger customers roll their own products in preference to a "built for everybody" Qualcomm or Intel solution. Qualcomm is seeking to move over into Intel's PC processor markets while Intel is just specializing in shortfalling their supply levels to their existing customer base and in jacking up their pricing too too much right now. Intel is just encouraging the new interlopers with their big synthetically jacked up profit margins, in other words. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 09/21/18 at 05:07:23 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-14nm-shortage-h310c,37819.html http://https://img.purch.com/03-png/w/300/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS9HL1UvNzk4OTQyL29yaWdpbmFsLzAzLlBORw== Please note the signs that old identification stenciling has been removed from this chipset We've confirmed through multiple sources that Intel is fabbing its new H310C chipset on its 22nm process. That means the chip-making giant has taken a step back to an older process for the H310 chipset as it struggles with its ongoing shortage of 14nm processors. Contrary to recent reports, our sources confirmed Intel manufactures these chips and not TSMC (which has been reported in recent weeks), though that could be subject to change in the future. The shift in Intel's strategy comes as the company struggles with the fallout from its chronically delayed 10nm process. Now the company is dealing with an increasingly loud chorus of reports that Intel's 14nm shortage is now impacting its server, desktop and mobile chips. The worrying lack of motherboards with the H310 chipset, which began back in March, served as the first sign of an impending shortage of Intel's 14nm silicon. In May, reports surfaced that Intel had suspended production of the chipset, and in July, the company finally acknowledged a much larger issue with 14nm production. Intel typically produces chipsets on a larger node than its current-gen processors, but the delayed 10nm production has found both chipsets and chips on the same 14nm node, creating a manufacturing bottleneck as the company experiences record demand for 14nm processors. Word of a new H310C chipset surfaced last month. Leaked images of the new H310C on mydrivers.com revealed that the new H310C, which measures 10 x 7mm, is much larger than the 14nm H310, which measures 8.5 x 6.5mm. Intel is struggling badly to supply customer orders and is spraying black squid ink into the water to confuse their customers about what Intel is actually doing to them right now. H310 is the "proper" Intel 14nm processor that actually got benchmarked at 14nm quite a while back. This is what is being advertised for performance numbers ...... Intel has put out LOTS of rumors about a 10nm processor to confuse consumer purchasing customers and to get them to go ahead and buy "their newest stuff" that quite bluntly DOES NOT EXIST YET. and won't exist until 2019-2020 at the earliest There is also a variant supposedly on order from TSMC as a 14nm stopgap offload measure that is due to the Intel production shortfalls. This is also called "H310" and it too is still very much not real at this point in time. In reality, Intel has either recently cranked up their 22nm machinery again or else has found a bunch of similar 22nm chipsets sitting around in a warehouse somewhere because these unknown unidentified things are being soldered on to motherboards that were specially built (with a somewhat different solder connection pattern) to hold a much larger 22nm chipset. Although looking at the picture there are clear signs that the original chip identification was removed intentionally by solvent wiping. This mystery chipset is now being sold as a H310C. Intel apparently now misleads and lies to their consumer customer base rather freely of late due to production shortfalls ...... YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING and Intel isn't going to tell you either. ::) :P :-/ :-[ >:( |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & issues Post by Oldfeller on 09/25/18 at 02:40:31 https://liliputing.com/2018/09/zhaoxins-latest-x86-chip-is-a-3-ghz-octa-core-processor.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/kx-6000.jpg Zhaoxin is co-owned by the Shanghai municipal government and VIA Technologies (which used to be a bit player in the x86 space). The company’s new KX-6000 processor is an octa-core processor with a top clock speed of 3 GHz, 8MB of cache, and support for dual-channel DDR4-3200 memory. It’s manufactured using a 16nm process. The older KX-5000 processor, meanwhile, was a 28nm, 2 GHz processor with four to eight CPU cores. Zhaoxin says the new chip is designed for desktops, laptops, or servers and that it should offer performance that’s on par with a 7th-gen Intel Core i5 processor, although I haven’t seen any independent confirmation of that claim yet. While it’s unlikely that we’ll see these chips show up in products sold outside of the Chinese market anytime soon, it looks like Chinese efforts to develop some home-grown alternatives to Intel and AMD processors are starting to bear some fruit. This one is actually a good bit better than Via's very best chipset back in the day. Suddenly it is "back in production and is readily available for immediate shipment." AMD might have put some limitations on where their chips can be sold, but the ghost of Via certainly did not ..... Intel is encouraging these new competitors to "come on in, water's fine" by jacking up their chip prices synthetically and by putting a large profit margin on "older, more obsolete 22nm technologies" as they miss shipment after shipment on Intel 14nm chipsets. Yes, Via's ghost (when combined with some current AMD technologies) can easily make a Core i5 equivalent 8 core chipset, as can other new fabs in China now that the Chinese government has bought some old USA companies for pennies on the dollar so as to excuse their new production being on the international market. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 09/28/18 at 19:05:55 https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/supply-update/ Intel in Crisis Mode I have been showing you guys the building crisis that Intel finds itself inside at this particular point in time. Intel is being run right now by their Chief Bean Picker not by a real CEO at all and not somebody that can make a realistic "visionary" strategy for improvement as that has never been his job before. He counts beans, and reports on comparative bean counts -- that is what he is good at. HOWEVER, as a bean picker he can recognize the bean count numbers talking to him. He has decided just this week to put 1 Billion additional beans into increasing Intel 14nm production capability by converting out of country 22nm lines to 14nm. We are thrilled that in an increasingly competitive market, you keep choosing Intel. Thank you. Now for the challenge… The surprising return to PC TAM growth has put pressure on our factory network. We’re prioritizing the production of Intel® Xeon® and Intel® Core™ processors so that collectively we can serve the high-performance segments of the market. That said, supply is undoubtedly tight, particularly at the entry-level of the PC market. We continue to believe we will have at least the supply to meet the full-year revenue outlook we announced in July, which was $4.5 billion higher than our January expectations. To address this challenge, we’re taking the following actions: We are investing a record $15 billion in capital expenditures in 2018, up approximately $1 billion from the beginning of the year. We’re putting that additional $1 billion into our 14nm manufacturing sites in Oregon, Arizona, Ireland and Israel. This capital along with other efficiencies is increasing our supply to respond to your increased demand. We’re making progress with 10nm. Yields are improving and we continue to expect volume production in 2019. We are taking a customer-first approach. We’re working with your teams to align demand with available supply. You can expect us to stay close, listen, partner and keep you informed. The actions we are taking have put us on a path of continuous improvement. At the end of the day, we want to help you make great products and deliver strong business results. Many of you have been longtime Intel customers and partners, and you have seen us at our best when we are solving problems. Sincerely, Bob Swan Intel Corporation CFO and Interim CEO Sadly, the only options his bean-picking based staff sees available for new production are OLD 14nm tech options and in converting some old 22nm tech lines over to 14nm. This is the non-technical bean picker's view of the whole mess and is at the root of Intel's poor decisions of late. It never occurs to him to put some of the 15 billion of the rest of his capital expenditures dollars into new 5nm EUV direct burn technology lines and to leapfrog the log jam and get current with the rest of the ARM world while he still has some discretionary funds to spend. Bean pickers lack vision, I guess ...... :P |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 09/30/18 at 03:45:35 We are thrilled that in an increasingly competitive market, you keep choosing Intel. Thank you. Intel has been considering itself to be the "PC market" for 20 years now, and now Intel is stating their belief that the market says they are "preferred" over all other sources and Intel now feels that they are free to drop in old 22nm chipsets and use that 10 year old old technology to bridge the production gap that Intel has itself created by not being able to follow the industry down to 10nm production and below. Intel aggravates this 14nm production shortage by crowding more and more and more cores into their current chipsets (taking up larger and larger chip areas) which cuts down significantly on the number of finished chipsets you can get per wafer. So, failure on top of failure is not "failure" for Intel. The Intel stockholders are thrilled if Intel makes money and pays dividends. Intel stock prices thus remain high. Until the previous sentence changes, Intel's current bean picker boss has no motivation to do anything. By cranking up their old 22nm production lines to make some previous (2 generations back) small processors and by laying out a plan to spend a billion dollars to convert some old now out of country 22nm production lines over to 14nm Intel has functionally kicked their can on down the road a bit. In Intel's eyes, the crisis has been averted and is over for now ...... (customer orders for new style chips can now be filled at first with old 22nm part numbers out of warehouse stock by just a little wipe with a solvent rag to get the ID numbers off the 10 year old inventory) :P In reality, Intel is mentally stuck firmly in the past and isn't moving anywhere. Competitors are using AMD Ryzen tech and Via tech and ARM laptop SoC tech to make lower cost competitive chips in China and elsewhere that are just now starting to sell internationally. ...... jest kicking back and laughing at all them stupid user mullets in the Intel Boardroom jacuzzi ..... http://https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f7d412e7526b4a04a450a9efd3142ee9.we Intel is a big 'ol old fat set of frog buddies, contentedly sitting in a pan of water that is slowly getting hotter and hotter ....... We are thrilled that in an increasingly competitive market, you keep choosing Intel. Thank you. Financial writers taking a hard look at market growth numbers take exception to Intel's claims of large market growth vs this claim of We are thrilled that in an increasingly competitive market, you keep choosing Intel. Thank you. First, the consumer PC market has shrunk 30% in the last five years and has only rebounded 2.5% just recently. The Rackspace Market has grown fairly steadily over the entire period, but very very slowly. Intel had enough 14nm manufacturing capacity prior to the last 0.5 % of this rebound period because their competition (AMD) was supplying a little more than half of the total industry's net growth amount. What Intel has been successful at is their "core multiplication = progress" Jedi mind trick and although this mind trick loses effectiveness past 6-8 cores we find both Intel and AMD are beating those tired lathered horses on down the racetrack anyway. Core counts are up to 12, 18, 24 and 32 cores now and enthusiast game boy consumers are actually buying the size equivalent of a HUGE rack space chipset from 3 years back (and Intel is calling this sad situation a market "preference" for Intel chipsets?) How fast can Intel increase their real manufacturing capacity, turning 22nm lines into 14nm lines? Not all that fast, unfortunately. A whole lot of the smaller Intel 14nm chipsets will move back to 22nm production processes in the mean time. Make no mistake, Intel is picking the items they can best afford to lose (and they will lose them, ASAP). AMD's Ryzen 2nd Generation is out now and 7nm++ production runs from TSMC are flowing as we speak, and the first finished production units from this AMD process stream clearly outperform most all of the older generations of 14nm Intel chipsets. All Ryzen chipsets clearly outperform the old 22nm Intel chipsets, with the only remaining Intel advantage has is coming from the Intel written gaming drivers that give a total intentional advantage to Intel motherboards and greatly (intentionally) disadvantaging the AMD Ryzen based motherboards. Rackspace (Linux) uses of AMD shine though, because Linux and Linux drivers are optimized for each system, and both Intel and AMD boards are near equivalents in all Linux functions and tests, with AMD showing itself much better in Linux than it does in Windows. So, Intel has some real competition now and that competition is making Intel get better somewhat faster than it did in years past. So why has Intel simply stopped advancing technologically at this point of the game ?? Intel still cannot currently make even a small 10nm two core chipset (the video segment doesn't work at all and production yields on the half of the chip Intel says they will keep are so poor Intel still won't tell anyone (including the people who ordered the chips) what the current yield rates actually are. Can Intel jump out of the 14nm-22nm pot before they boil to death is the question now, really. ....... humph, is that fat old complacent frog still able to jump high enough to clear the edge of the pot ??? |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/01/18 at 07:25:37 https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-intel-core-cpu-market-share-price-report-september-2018/ Intel bites the big one ....... Intel new processor market share is tanking to >25% of the "new processor market share" -- this loss is due to Intel's recent compounded stupidities lead by a price jack up of 50%. Intel cannot meet established orders, so they are jacking up the price to encourage cancellation of orders that they cannot fill. PC vendors are now busy setting up new AMD Ryzen boards and building finished AMD units to be ready in time for Christmas. http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Intel-AMD-CPU-Market-Share_1.png This is current new processor sales data from Mindfactory.de (Germany's big version of Best Buy) just this past month. Just look at the graphs then read the market share articles that are popping up all over the place. Barclays has downgraded Intel to SELL status due to these same issues. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/01/barclays-downgrades-intel-to-sell-citing-risk-of-a-big-price-war-with-amd.html |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/01/18 at 11:43:59 https://liliputing.com/2018/10/googles-project-stream-will-let-you-play-aaa-games-in-the-chrome-web-browser-starting-with-assassins-creed-odyssey.html Google joins Steam as everybody out there begins to chip away at Wintel's gaming monopoly ..... https://youtu.be/sE53eSbzxoU click on this to view playing a game at 60 frames per second play rate (no matter how slow your PC is). This hurts Intel because the only reason the fan boys stuck with big bucks Wintel units was to buy themselves a really good frame rate on their favorite AAA game. Now this simply isn't a requirement any more, any old PC will do that (and you don't have to run Windows 10, or even Window at all ...... My 15 year old Linux box can do it jest fine.) With Google Tensor Servers to carry the calculation and video throughput work loads just about any old unit that can mount a "good enough" video card can make a fanboy all game happy now using Google's newest tricks. See Gabe offer the packaged Google gaming service on Steam before Christmas time this year ...... Betcha this new Google trick works with ARM Deimos and ARM Hercules Chromebook chipsets right out of the gate -- right along with all the older Linux OS machines which will follow along in a month or so. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/02/18 at 09:50:55 How the heck can Google think that they can run gaming for millions of fanboys off Google servers and be just as fast (or faster) than big Intel server chips (renamed as gaming rigs) can do on a local box level? Something is up, boys and girls ....... and the answer is water cooled TPU version 3. It can be AI, it can be learning, it can be execution, it can be GPU, it can be CPU, it can be programmable gate array and ..... yup, and it can execute video based games like nothing seen before, ever. https://www.nextplatform.com/2018/05/10/tearing-apart-googles-tpu-3-0-ai-coprocessor/ The old Version 2.0 is on top http://https://3s81si1s5ygj3mzby34dq6qf-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/image001-1.jpg This is the new Version 3.0 in on the bottom, this is 8 times faster than the stuff in the pic up above. Go to the slider at the bottom of the post to see all 8 pods of Version 3.0 that are sitting in that one row. Your machine becomes just a mouse/keyboard/gamepad interface and every PC has the guts to do that plenty fast enough. Removing network lag from the system is kinda neat, at any control instance in the game there are choices to be made by the operator/game player. Say 3-4 possible choices per decision junction. Google just calculates out each of them and sends to your PC's memory buffer solutions for each instance, so when your slow meat fingers finally makes its physical move the choice is instantly implemented and the next set of choices is loaded. Choice sets can be stacked in your buffer and 3 tall is commonly used as beyond that serious "calculations never used" waste takes place. Is this efficient? Not really, but Google says that TPU Version 2 was so direly underutilized it could be that supporting a lot of gaming simply makes use-sense to Google for TPU Version 3. After all TPU Version 3 is 8 times better/faster throughput than ever before -- got to have something to keep that Google TPU Version 3 from getting all bored and taking over the world. The whole trick keys off the fact that the human user is just sooooo durn slow compared to a good fast internet connection so that the Google/TPU/internet connection will have enough time to stay well ahead of the human being. How fast is Google TPU version 3? Well over 100 petaflops per second per pod. Pe·ta·flop pronounced [ch712]ped[ch601][ch716]fläp noun COMPUTING A unit of computing speed equal to one thousand million million floating-point operations per second. This means the speed of ONE HUNDRED of Big Blue's complete room sized RoadRunner supercomputer per pod. That's a bunch folks, a BUNCH of a bunch. Year 2010's Big Blue Roadrunner at Los Alamo's Nuclear Research Center http://https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2477/3739369480_1f285176c8_o.jpg Also note that each vertical stack you see below is a pod. This is just one row of a Google server farm, and there are 12 Google server farms scattered around in the USA. http://https://img.purch.com/9992-jpg/w/755/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS8yL0wvNzA5MDA1L29yaWdpbmFsLzk5OTIuSlBH |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 10/03/18 at 07:00:31 So you are saying 15 year old hardware runs current games at high FPS? How do the processors handle that? |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/03/18 at 13:41:02 I can run the linked demo sampling at full 60 frames per second because ..... 1) I have a ATI video card in the old box so my display graphics can move right along OK, good enough anyway. 2) I am not doing any game processing on my old box, but am just taking video feed from Google. With the exception of giving some gaming inputs through a controller or mouse it is the same thing as Google's proposed gaming service will do. 3) Instead of being crippled by Mickey not liking what I have for equipment (or being just too too out of date power-wise) I am running Chrome Browser on Linux Mint which does not see any "synthetic" hardware problems like a Windows 10 system might see. Google / Steam would not care either. The game will run like the feed does ..... fast and flawless. You need to go back up to the top of the page and then read forward (stopping to read the references provided) because you miss a bunch of stuff by just looking at the last item at the bottom of a page. Stuff like this ....... https://youtu.be/sE53eSbzxoU click on this to view playing a game at 60 frames per second play rate (no matter how slow your PC is). =================================================== Gabe at Steam now has 5 streaming games on his front page for folks to play around with. Google Stream at Steam, Steam Stream, Steam powered Google, Google out the seam pipe ..... gotta be a catchy phrase in there somewhere. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 10/03/18 at 16:44:45 I understand streaming and input-based feedback, I was just wondering how hardware that old didn't still have old-hardware issues like dealing with the input lag, or having outdated connection hardware. I like the idea of streamed gaming for increased access even though I will most likely stick to personal hardware updates every two years. What I wonder about is if this won't just end up as a subscription service as well, like what Apple is planning for iTunes. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/03/18 at 17:20:14 USB 2.0 on all the USB ports on the old machine -- this was an Engineer's Workstation from Dell when it was new, so I swing 8 gigs of systems memory and a 250 gig hard drive that is fairly modern for the input standards for 2001. I have a X-box 360 controller and a Logitech mouse and Logitech keyboard attached to it, so my input standards really aren't that ancient, but the processor is a 3 ghz Core 2 Duo and that is pretty slow compared to today's mega stuff. I get frame rates in the 30s and 40s for the games that will run at all off my local hardware. Still, not bad for a $70 off lease Dell from 15 years ago. Yes, this Google data farm feed service will be a subscription service --- you can pay Gabe/Google as you go or you can pay Mickey's monthly blood bowl fees after you have to go shell out for some super-expensive hardware from Intel. Plus buy the game of course. Going Mickey's route is always more expensive, always. Question is open. which one actually runs better and costs less. We shall see if it actually becomes real and what that answer might wind up being. You do realize that a nice cheap Chromebook will likely be able to do this trick as well, right? Ditto for a USB 2.0 equipped TV with a small Google I/0 device attached to it. And you might just be able to pay Gabe for the service right along with the particular games that you want. But you can see where this is headed, right? Games as an OS agnostic "supplied as needed" sort of thing which is what Gabe is driving towards right now. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 10/04/18 at 06:46:03 Some of it is appealing but in general Chromebooks and such just don't meet the standard for what I use so I don't know how they would work in this type of setup. I typically don't care for the idea of not having the appropriate hardware to run the programs I am using and not having immediate replacements when damaged, but as you say time will tell as to which method is better and at a better value. I suspect people like me will continue to purchase or build PC's while others will use the same PC for years taking advantage of the data farms. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Papa Bear on 10/04/18 at 14:35:56 Off topic but a good (scary) read if you are a geek - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/05/18 at 06:01:22 Rest easy, NSA and CIA likely will be reading the tiny chip's outputs directly as it runs through the internet nodes, just to be seeing directly who the Chinese have caught in their itty bitty fishnet. ...... And folks wonder why the NSA and CIA are so adamant about not allowing any Huawei networking equipment to be installed in the USA by Sprint last past year ....... Chinese industrial espionage is evident everywhere already, in every USA research lab and Government agency. I still find it amazing that the Chinese can finish up Qualcomm development projects and beat the American firm to first production, thus muddying up the "who came first" issue completely for any licensing purposes. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/05/18 at 09:36:21 https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/5/17940902/microsoft-windows-10-october-2018-update-deleting-documents-issues https://betanews.com/2018/10/04/windows-10-october-2018-update-deleting-documents-photos-and-other-user-files/ http://https://betanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Head-in-hands-768x512.jpg Win 10 isn't always faulting out when it lacks the room to properly re-install itself. Sometimes it just deletes recent items that still in progress and wipes various system buffer system states to make enough room to re-install itself during the upgrade. And since it likes to do this spontaneously while you are at work, guess what can happen to the files and stuff (in the foreground or in the background) to whatever the heck you were just working on ....... New instructions https://lifehacker.com/back-up-windows-10-before-installing-the-october-update-1829556930 Please notice this fix comes from a third party. Microsoft is still "investigating the issue" and has done nothing so far to help people get their damaged machines back to running again. Bad Mickey, bad bad bad clumsy STUPID evil little Mousie you..... ==================================================== Microsoft pulls the big October update off the servers and reverts users to their old system. Issues with this "revert to your old system" exist as some machines won't even boot when Mickey does this un-announced "routine maintenance" thing late at night while you are sleeping, because Mickey had already deleted to many files due to a simple lack of hard drive space. But this is your fault because Mickey has done told you REPEATEDLY you need twice as much hard drive as your current data load actually uses. :-/ |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/05/18 at 10:15:44 https://www.eetasia.com/news/article/18100502-tsmc-to-start-5nm-production-in-april TSMC to Start 5nm Production in April TSMC announces today that they will forego the 7nm++++ production generation this fall, but will instead begin "at risk" 5nm production right now instead. 5nm trial runs for ARM Holdings new Hercules SoCs and several other brands SoC and AMD chipsets having been already very successful completed with a full steady flow of 5nm memory products are currently rolling out of their new 5nm EUV process lines. All of this is telling TSMC that 5nm is proven out completely and is ready to go. So TSMC is now taking some "at risk" 5nm production orders at this time. Smart customers have already cancelled their 7nm +++ orders this past month in anticipation of this announcement. This means the Deimos 7nm++++ ARM generation will likely be completely leapfrogged in favor of the full 5nm Hercules generation. Next month, TSMC will put out their design tools for customers to convert their 12nm, 10nm & 7nm designs over to the closer packed 5nm designs. Smart customers have already done their state of the art new Hercules 5nm designs fresh, based upon the ARM Holdings contract released 5nm design tools and the ARM preliminary released "fully certified" 5nm Hercules design set ups. (since all of these are all actually going to be "user modified ARM 5nm designs" anyway) TSMC has already run all the certification runs for ARM and AMD products already. so the yields for the 5nm Hercules process are already very well known to the participants. Samsung has already run their own 5nm design runs as well, stating publicly they already have a 4nm capable process ready to go at this point in time. In April or when the very first official TSMC 5nm runs actually ships then Intel will be formally 3 full process generations behind. Intel cannot possibly recover on that process based performance lead by adding more and more cores and more cores to their already overburdened 14nm production system. Come April at the latest, the fat lady officially sings for Intel ...... and the Intel Core i3-9 family begins its long underground circular spinning journey to the sea. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/05/18 at 12:41:55 Intel begins active DAMAGE CONTROL of their stupid-bad 50% pricing increase move ....... ...... which was Intel raising their chip prices instantly by 50% across the board, firmly intending to curtail buyer's demand to what Intel's overburdened 14nm production system could actually deliver while making an extra buck out of their own manufacturing production shortage. Let's see, so far we have seen two paid mag-rag sources saying that all production numbers should be weighed in "as the last 2 years of net production only" and no one should be using any "brand new production only" figures as Intel only sells chips from warehouse inventory not hand to mouth on special order like AMD and ARM do. Intel does months long very large production runs on a carefully kept rotating schedule, producing a whole lot of one chipset then rolling over to the next one. So Intel is actually counting their "sent to the warehouse" as production while AMD is counting "shipped to the customer'. That sounds about like Intel, doesn't it? Intel is also counting the re-labeling of old warehouse stocks as "additional new production" as they were produced this year by a quick wipe with a solvent soaked rag and a quick restamp with an ink stamp. By showing transferred production numbers this way Intel's production shortfall is obfuscated greatly as well as "current production" is grossly overstated as well as is overall inventory (both old and new inventory are getting counted, just in different months). Intel will only allow reporting of their inventory movement in this fashion, disguising what is currently happening in real time by adding in a good chunk of the entire period when they were a virtual monopoly source of chipsets and also by double counting some transferred warehouse inventory numbers. Still, the effect of what is currently going on still rings through even when using Intel's "tweeked' figures --- but we all should realize that if Intel didn't move another single chipset in the rest of 2018 they could only lose like 12% of their total market share when calculated in this Intel approved fashion. Intel also currently claims their 14nm is the "density equivalent" of everybody else's 10nm. This is a patently false claim. We wonder what will have to happen so Intel can try to claim Intel 14nm is the "equivalent" of everybody else's 5nm when 5nm AMD and 5nm ARM ships in volume late this year or early of next year. It will be fun to watch and we jest know Intel is gonna try to do it somehow. ::) Intel successes -- Intel has paid writers and bloggers that only sing the party line on demand. Most of these are silent at the moment with only 2 so far having the chutzpah to say Intel is doing well at this juncture. But, because no one will call Intel's pricing move as stupid and because the financial writers are "holding silent" at the moment concerning the inventory games and the relabeling of old inventory tricks, well, it all comes down to is THE STOCK PRICE. ....... and the stock price dropped, but is now holding and rising slightly. Intel can BS their way out of this, in other words. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/08/18 at 05:37:47 https://www.techpowerup.com/248356/microsoft-raises-prices-of-windows-10-home-licenses Microsoft raises Windows 10 prices up to $139 per license. Intel got away with jacking up their prices across the board bigtime, mainly due to having bought all the reporters that cover them and by choreographing their own stories with a pro-Intel tilt. So Mickey decided to raise their prices across the board, no reason, just greedy. Mickey is getting slammed by the press though, for doing a major price hike during the same week they are melting down due to their big new file deletion bug issues with their Fall 2018 Upgrade. Mickey is coming across as careless AND greedy ...... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failure[color=#0s & suce Post by Oldfeller on 10/09/18 at 10:58:04 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/10/09/intels-i9-9900k-vs-ryzen-2700x-gaming-benchmarks-are-misleading-period/#555388164e4e Last summer Intel held a big press function at a show where everyone wound up lining up afterwards to call bullshite on Intel's wonderful gaming processor claims. Intel had gotten caught NOT using their much touted readily visible hardware during the tests, but instead having using a hidden HUGE dual chip mainframe motherboard board, two carefully cherry picked mainframe processor chipsets and a HUGE power supply and an industrial FREON cooling system to cool it all down enough in order to yield Intel's advertised speed claims. All this was hidden under the display table in multiple layers of acoustical baffling so you couldn't really hear the noisy freon cooler compressor running. Forbes covered it again as a "lack of candor" item as a financial reporting magazine, an item of great importance to Forbes in the business/financial setting where Forbes lives. Not being able to trust Intel was the news, to the financially minded Forbes anyway. Did Intel learn anything from this? YES, Intel learned to hide their cheats a little bit better this time around and they used a paid testing house to front the cheating so they could claim deniability if they got caught at it again. ...... and they did get caught, of course ....... However, Hardware Unboxed and Forbes had already agreed to IMMEDIATELY verify test both Intel's rigs and Intel's test methods within 1 day of the presentation. And Hardware Unboxed did this, finding the cheats and Forbes then did publish these cheats right away (on the Forbes news site). https://youtu.be/6bD9EgyKYkU It is a Youtube, click and watch it. It is interesting to note that there is an Intel news embargo on this big new show with certain signed Nondisclosure terms about the show, but Intel was sloppy in implementing their Nondisclosure with Hardware Unboxed actually not being asked to sign anything. Bad mistake, that ....... So, the cat is now out of the bag again and all the paid reviewers are pulling back their glowing initial reviews for "re-analysis". And, as they did last time, Forbes is bluntly asking Intel Management to explain what they heck they thought they were doing by cheating again so blatantly ...... Intel has again paid considerable sums of money to get their image out first again as "world beating" in games, and Intel paid an independent test firm to OOOPS ...... Der Shite has hit the fan the very first thing and Der Shite has blown back all over Intel's face and clothes. And Intel foolishly had their mouth slightly open, too. And if you haven't noticed a pattern of Intel lying about lots of stuff lately, you are just plain not paying attention. Once again, Forbes is covering the lies and calling a lie a lie. Should you re-consider what brand you might actually chose in light of the fact Intel lies to you about what they are doing all the time and lies to you about how fast their stuff actually runs vs the competition? https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/10/09/intels-i9-9900k-vs-ryzen-2700x-gaming-benchmarks-are-misleading-period/#555388164e4e Perhaps even more egregious, and something Hardware Unboxed didn't mention is the fact that Principled Technologies intentionally activated Game Mode inside the Ryzen Master utility on all the AMD systems, which temporarily disables half the available CPU cores. That means the Ryzen 7 2700X became a 4-core CPU. While this mode tends to elevate gaming performance on Threadripper processors, it also cripples heavily multi-threaded benchmarks like Ashes of the Singularity which utilizes all available threads. Yes, that's the same game Intel leverages to make its "50% faster" claim. No shite, Sherlock -- cut off half of the other guys cores and he will be 50% slower, duh ..... The bottom line is this: always wait for the independent reviews. This was a study clearly commissioned to present Intel's competitive advantage and to make its new product look good. Of course it was. And I believe Intel when it says the i9-9900K will be the fastest mainstreaming gaming CPU on the market. But by how much, exactly, and will it be worth the 68% + higher price? No shite, Sherlock -- was this 69% before or AFTER the 50% price increase that just went across the board, huh ??? ..... Thanks to just how transparent Principled Technologies was with their testing methodology, we have the early stages of very concrete proof that the results you may see leading up to the embargo dropping are, to put it plainly, bogus. UPDATE: Intel PR emailed me the following response to this situation: "We are deeply appreciative of the work of the reviewer community and expect that over the coming weeks additional testing will continue to show that the 9th Gen Intel Core i9-9900K is the world’s best gaming processor. Principled Technologies conducted this initial testing using systems running in spec, configured to show CPU performA closer examination of the results revealed a few test conditions that obviously could skew the results in favor of Intel's processor, including using a less-capable CPU cooler on AMD's chip, disabling half the cores on an AMD Ryzen processor, and a listing in the test notes that said the firm overclocked the RAM on Intel's platform only. The company says that it is retesting the processors to correct the errors.A closer examination of the results revealed a few test conditions that obviously could skew the results in favor of Intel's processor, including using a less-capable CPU cooler on AMD's chip, disabling half the cores on an AMD Ryzen processor, and a listing in the test notes that said the firm overclocked the RAM on Intel's platform only. The company says that it is retesting the processors to correct the errors.ance and has published the configurations used. The data is consistent with what we have seen in our labs, and we look forward to seeing the results from additional third party testing in the coming weeks." I have asked Intel to consider having these results removed and for Principled Technologies to retest using systems that are truly running "in spec." Intel intends to use verbage from their paid reviewing sources to "verify" their paid testing complete with all its errors ...... Intel is jest being Intel all over again. =================================================== "Those stupid reporter mullets are SO gullible and easy to trick its like shooting fish in a barrel ...... hee hee" http://https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f7d412e7526b4a04a450a9efd3142ee9.we "...... and if you get caught, just have a couple of our paid reviewers "disagree" with whatever you got caught at a couple of times in the following weeks ..... Then have Microsoft delete and "illegalize" whatever driver makes them better and force our driver down their throat yet again in the nightly updates. And if you get caught at that, remember some really hot controversy news just leads to better sales of the new disputed champion chipset". ==================================================== https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-9th-gen-core-testing-controversy,37908.html Two days later --- Here are some of the controversial results in Principled Technologies' report as re-tested and confirmed by Tom's Hardware two days later. "Principled Technologies' benchmarks pit the Core i9-9900K, Intel's new flagship eight-core processor for mainstream systems, against AMD's mainstream desktop Ryzen 7 2700X. The 19 game benchmarks in the report paint a very convincing picture of the Core i9-9900K's total dominance over the Ryzen 7 2700X in gaming, but a deeper look at the system settings revealed a few questionable, and one downright unbelievable, configuration that could skew the results in Intel's favor. The missteps begin with system memory. Principled Technologies used the XMP profile, which automatically assigns tight timings for the Corsair Vengeance DDR4-3200 memory (running at DDR4-2666) installed in the Intel system. In contrast, the company set the Ryzen 7 2700X's memory configuration, which was fully populated with four double-sided DIMMs, at the stock DDR4-2933. This setup allows the system to assign timings for the memory, which often leads to suboptimal memory performance. As we've proven time and again, AMD's Zen architecture is extremely sensitive to memory performance, particularly in games. As such, even small variations in settings result in improved gaming performance with Ryzen processors, meaning this mismatch could give Intel at least some advantage in the gaming tests. Principled Technologies also used the stock Ryzen 7 2700X Wraith Prism cooler with the AMD system but installed a premium Noctua NH-U14S cooler on the Intel processor. Again, as we've proven in the past, improved cooling benefits both AMD and Intel's chips by allowing the processors to operate at their Boost frequencies more frequently, and then maintain the heightened clock speeds for longer periods of time. Slight differences in cooling solutions can have an impact on the test setup. In this case, the Intel system could expend more waste heat than the AMD system, which would provide it with an advantage. Intel's new K-series processor doesn't come with a stock cooler, so the company had to use a third-party solution, but sound testing methodology dictates that coolers for both systems should be of equal quality. That didn't happen here. Perhaps the most damming admission involves AMD's Game Mode feature that AMD created for its Threadripper processors. Game mode essentially disables half of the processors' available cores to circumvent the intricacies of the Threadripper architecture. Those same principles don't apply to the mainstream Ryzen processors, but Principled Technologies chose to enable the feature on the eight-core Ryzen 7 2700X anyway. That turns the processor into a four-core chip. As you might expect, this effectively cripples the processor in heavily threaded gaming benchmarks, and the test suite included a few impacted titles, like Ashes of the Singularity. AMD's Ryzen Master software actually locks the Game Mode feature out on the Ryzen 2700X because the chip can't switch between 'local' and 'dynamic' modes, meaning the firm might have enabled the compatibility mode that accomplishes the same task of disabling four cores. The firm also tested the games with a 1920 x 1080 resolution, which has drawn the ire of many enthusiasts because we wouldn't expect gamers with a pricey Core i9-9900K processor to play at that resolution. However, the fact remains that testing at lower resolutions is a solid test methodology if you're focusing specifically on the host processor, as reducing the graphics bottleneck as much as possible allows for true measurement of CPU performance, rather than a graphics-imposed bottleneck. In fact, the majority of review sites still test CPU gaming performance at this resolution. We've reached out to Principled Technologies for comment and have lodged follow up questions with Intel." |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/11/18 at 22:52:23 One week later ....... Intel and Principled Technology have admitted to the failures in their test methods. Principled has committed to retesting, but Intel HAS NOT said they would pay for a retest. Intel doesn't care, they bought and they got their 1 week headline saying they were King of Gaming Performance. Best articles written in the last 2 days have been grand sweep overviews of PC Space and the through and careful debunking all the bad information put out by Intel and Microsoft in the last year as they have created "shortages" and jacked up pricing across the board by a net of 70% inside the last calendar year. Intel isn't going to downsize their lithography because smaller doesn't work for them on the production equipment that they own. All Intel can do is add more and more cores and cheat on benchmarks. On the OS side Microsoft keeps adding features on top of features on top of features while letting some key background maintenance style items degrade and fail. Both companies are jacking up their pricing because of the perceived monopoly positions that they hold. Big Picture review: Personal Computing on non-networked PCs is still shrinking across the globe. Networked Personal Computing is growing recently by only 2.5%. "Age replacement" of PCs is slowing down as 10 year old machines are still "capable enough" as networked machines. Wintel has competition now, and every machine lost to Wintel's competition means they lose total revenue. The sharp rise of China's domestic AMD based computer processor production spells the end of all Intel global growth. The rise of ARM PC processors spells the potential start of Intel's global shrinkage. The fact that Intel has to cheat on benchmark tests to try to sell customers on the thought that Gen 9 is in any way better than Gen 8 (or Gen 7 for that matter) is a telling point. Intel's current claims of 10% performance improvements on their new Gen 9 processors are exaggerated. ARM's claims of 10-20% improvements are real however and have happened more than once a year lately. Intel currently has to sell people on huge many cored rackspace chipsets in order to just remain "perceived competitive" in performance. The uses of sales psychology to get people to endlessly spend LARGE bogus dollars on Wintel "because is it better" takes a page or two from Apple, who are past masters on owning the minds of their customer base. Customers really are stupid. They will functionally sign over the rights to control their home computer (signed over to Microsoft) by accepting restrictive Microsoft EULA statements by using the product after paying out the nose to get a simple update. Controlling Gaming was a major reason this actually worked for Wintel in the past. Google and Gabe at Steam has fixed that condition for you. Big Business and Education mind control by means of MS Office was a major reason this actually worked for Wintel in the past. Google Chromebooks in schools fixed that condition for you. Why again do you stay trapped in a bad computing relationship? Habit and laziness mostly. Americans don't like to learn anything new ..... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 10/12/18 at 07:20:31 I've read through the MS EULA and can't find a section that releases control of my computer to Microsoft. Can you help me find that section? |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/12/18 at 09:19:07 Amazing that it doesn't show up to you when you reading the MS EULA. Didn't you see the part about remotely implemented automatic system updates? All innocent sounding, isn't it --- until the drivers that allow your machine to run properly disappear, deleted and replaced by MS drivers that don't do the same job exactly. And some of your games and other older hardware items simply stop working. MS's entire "service" depends on having detailed nightly control of your every computing experience, and having it done their way. MS will alter your equipment, remove files from your machine (and not just systems files, sometimes your intentionally installed software gets removed) simply to make your machine adhere to the MS way of doing things. Intel now depends their "competitive reviews" and their #1 position in gaming on using MS's automatic update system to give them drivers that are tweeked to their advantage. If you bought hardware (video cards) from folks like ATI using custom ATI drivers to access feature sets that you wanted (like fast high resolution gaming) and had it repeatedly stop working due to nightly updates I think you could understand what I am talking about. Wintel controls your machine in fine detail and isn't above using that control to create the impression that their hardware and software are the superior (and only) way to do things. Eegore is a fine example of someone who has sipped the korporate koolade for years and years now and truly believes Mickey and Intel are acting in his best interest. He is mentally dependent upon MS and Intel now and trusts them enough to pay their currently extra high jacked up prices (year after year) and to believe the paid reviews and all the PR that they generate. This is not a totally bad thing, by surrendering all choices to MS and buying new machines from Dell every year or so Eegore gets what he really wants -- not having to be bothered with it. There are other ways to compute, other ways to not be bothered with it --- some are much less expensive and invasive. For example I stay current with the Linux Mint-y green pathway instead of the Mickey/Intel Windows-way. And I bet I get bothered a lot less by the Minty green pathway than Eegore does, and I am certain it costs a lot less for the Minty green way than the Mickey/Intel way. http://https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71q0qikJRnL._SX425_.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 10/12/18 at 09:58:38 I got this response from my IT guy: "We don't have nightly updates to the OS on any of the company PC units. Per your decision we skipped the step for connecting the PC software to a Microsoft account. Updates are required at times to keep the OS operational to a degree but not nightly by any means. According to the paragraph you sent me the claim is that MS "service" requires nightly updates and this may be true if you want their "service" but in our case we do not use whatever that is. Drivers are not replaced at this time but it may potentially happen. The reason you do not experience issues with your GPU or any other feature shutting down for updates is because this doesn't happen. This is also because you have no Microsoft account and your PC is not running off Intel's or MS standards. To make sure I will run a diagnostic on your system and see if anything has been uninstalled, as of 01.10.18 no software you installed has been removed. Your PC units from Dell are not controlled by Microsoft, you can install any software you want without Microsoft having control. Seven of your machines do not run MS Windows at all." |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 10/12/18 at 10:05:47 "Eegore is a fine example of someone who has sipped the korporate koolade for years and years now and truly believes Mickey and Intel are acting in his best interest." If this were true I wouldn't be asking you for more information about the posts you share here. Insults may help you feel better and if denigrating my intelligence and character helps you out then go for it, but I can say that I never created a MS account for a reason and that wasn't because I trust them so much. Also I haven't bought Intel replacement hardware for years, for a reason, and that is part of why I have been following your posts here. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/12/18 at 10:20:30 Eegore has a computer systems IT man, a paid employee to keep his Wintel in check. I wonder how much of his time is spent on MS created problems ...... http://https://www.gearthblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/kudzu.jpg The rest of us put up with this ...... http://https://ssl.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000hXZw.i6A7ww/s/780/Man-Rescues-Car-Swallowed-by-Kudzu.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/12/18 at 10:29:54 6444464E5344210 wrote:
Whups, I done got me a case of the Linus illness again. Done been bashing on poor ol' Eegore as a closet Wintel lover ...... (why, because he acted that way originally) Sorry, I need me another trip down the trap door to go bathe my many sins away in the river Stix again ..... "Grievous Violations of the Liberal PC Code of Conduct --- 30 days in the river Styx or else 20 endless class hours of Sensitivity Training !!!" sez the judge. A quick final point as I head for the Tall Table basement bar area to get to the trap door under the rug --- we all have creeping green stuff in our chosen lives. Mine is very short green user friendly mossy stuff covering all the rocks. Makes them rocks a little more cuddly and friendly to your toes ..... A Micky person lives with jagged edged broken promise rocks and rampant Kudzu lies trying to cover both his car and his house ..... :P |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 10/12/18 at 10:39:23 "I wonder how much of his time is spent on MS created problems ......" I could get the exact numbers for you. What timeframe would you like? I can go back 2 years 4 months. "(why, because he acted that way originally)" I am asking for more information about what you post because I am interested in what you post. I can not find a post where I in any way claim that MS, Wintel, or any program company hardware, software or combination of is inferior or superior. I have no opinion because I do not have enough information to compile one. Because I am not indicating that I like your way better does not automatically make my way, or any other way better in my opinion. I don't know how you take me asking questions, politely, means I am supporting any company, software, hardware, method or combination. All I wanted to know was where you found information in the Windows EULA, or why you experience the same software differently than I do, hardly something to get personal over. I wonder why so many threads on this forum degrade into insults. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by jcstokes on 10/13/18 at 01:57:14 Really wish I could understand all this, Linux Mint Sonya whatever is by and large going ok for me. Don't know if it's much faster than Wondowes whatever 7. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/13/18 at 06:58:15 4060626A7760050 wrote:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/useterms (there is a lot of stuff in this one, so click on it) An End User License Agreement (EULA) is a legal contract between a software application author or publisher and the user of that application. ... The user can refuse to enter into the agreement by returning the software product for a refund or clicking "I do not accept" when prompted to accept the EULA during an install. Using the product past this point in time legally means you have accepted the terms of the EULA "as published". Oh my, the myrad worlds of the Microsoft EULA ...... First, there are Many Many Microsoft EULAs out there ..... There are entire categories and classes of EULAs. There are lots of EULAs for Windows 10, some of which reference EULAs for earlier OS versions. Different nations/regions have different terms. There are EULAs for MS Office, everything MS ever made has an EULA that you sign electronically to get the product to install and to work. You get it installed and working, you are bound by the EULA that came with it. There are EULAs for Server Products and that leads to the terms of your IT based Service Agreement and the EULAs that govern that. You can actually bridge between several worlds of EULAs and I think you in particular do. Examples of the various worlds of Licensing can be found here ........ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/licensing/default Check here and use these tools to find which EULA covers the question in your heart at the moment. ================================================== As Windows has moved from discrete products over to a nightly updated service, you were required to accept various EULAs that detailed that changeover. Home users have different set up times and have different set up terms, all have accepted that EULA that covered that situation from their side of things AND BY DEFAULT EACH FOLLOW ON EULA SIMPLY BY CONTINUING TO USE THE SERVICE. Eegore, however, may be covered in part by a 5-10 year old IT Service Agreement signed by your IT people. You are likely also covered by an Office Pro EULA and by separate other products EULAs. The IT guys are now getting new EULAs sent to them to sign off on as well. In contrast if you are Johnny Normal Homeowner swinging his Win 10 Home you agreed to accept the terms of the current Win 10 Home EULA which stated that changes in the EULA could come about at any time (since the product was a service now instead of a discrete product) and by using the service you accepted the new "current terms of the EULA" and any future EULAs. You also agreed to accept and auto install each rolling update and upgrade to keep your machine totally current to MS standards. If you find all this amazingly complex and so not worth getting into, I have to say I am right there with you, too. I gave up on MS as too much trouble for too little real benefit. :P Me, I don't have a MS ID any longer. I don't subscribe to any MS service. I am not covered by any MS EULA or Agreement or anything else Microsoft so I don't have to crawl down that rabbit hole. I find I like that, a lot. Since your machine was likely set up under a discrete item Business grade IT Service Agreement instead of an EULA, please don't expect the world of Consumer Windows to be exactly the same as your world. =================================================== https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html Here is a good place to start if you want to understand a little something about the Microsoft Managed Desktop that Home users will have to be dealing with. ========== This one digs a little deeper on the business side of things, this coming from Mary Jo Foley, Little Miss Windows herself. https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-got-a-new-plan-for-managing-windows-10-devices-for-a-monthly-fee/ This broaches the package aspects of leasing the hardware and the software together. Dell will likely be doing this one for their business customers, I do believe. ========== If you already have hardware you like and you are a business customer, then you can also take the Windows / Office package as Modern Workplace as a Service (MWaaS). Currently, some Microsoft partners are selling what sounds a lot like this Microsoft Managed Desktop service, but under the "Modern Workplace as a Service (MWaaS) banner. Microsoft has been using "Modern Workplace" to refer to its Microsoft 365 subscription bundle and related software/services. But the point is you will have to take Windows as a service package deal in some fashion or another going on out in the future, because MS isn't going to offer their old discrete products like you are used to seeing. Just like MS stopped selling the boxed software disks, buying the separate bits and pieces of a MS system and you putting it all together has become un-supportable (and unprofitable) for MS to even attempt to try keep up with. And guess what, they won't even try. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/16/18 at 05:59:27 Post Embargo follow up on Intel lying at the last big show over their best gaming processor. Folks, people from gaming processor review sites actually drove over to Intel's pet testing house Principled Technology and CAREFULLY EXPLAINED to them how to set up an AMD processor board. They actually brought a properly set up board and SHOWED the PT people what they were doing wrong. Obviously, Principled Technology only has one paying customer (Intel) and they have received instructions on how to do this test and that is what they are bloody well gonna do. For example, Principled Technology still insists on using the custom cooler rig Intel provided to keep the Intel chipset from throttling itself to death (it is a $140 cooler rig). So, now Principled Technology is getting hooted at again for being a consciously INCOMPETENT Intel lying shill and for having functionally ZERO credibility in testing gaming CPU processors. Principled Technology has now added a disclaimer to their results --- they are not responsible legally for any financial losses to any party for any reason that is due to their reviews. Any errors in testing can only be charged back by their customer ONLY for only the sum total they were paid to perform the testing. (PT is scared Intel is gonna share the pain with them in court, looks like) Intel is catching hell for just plain lying again ...... but what else is new ...... Post embargo results are posted now from the other tester guys. The AMD board if set up with the right memory and the right BIOS settings and the right game parameters and an equivalent cooler tests 15% slower than Intel's tricked up board. People who replaced the Intel super duper cooler with a more stock like unit being used for both boards to try to get a normal to normal test got a 12% difference (AMD is slower than Intel by 12% with a normal to normal set up). A lot of this remaining speed difference is coming from the more expensive grade of memory Intel has to use and the higher clock rates that it automatically allows (if the cooler is able to stand the heat and not throttle the advantage all away to nothing that is). The net improvement is not just from the Intel processor itself, in other words. So, the Intel rig up is arguably 15% faster than AMD's rig up, not 45% faster as originally touted by Intel at the show. NOTE: AMD has just dropped in a price decrease across the board on their gaming processors to boost sales during Christmas season (AMD needs to clear the decks over Christmas as their new 7nm chipsets are coming in bulk very very soon). Current price comparisons between AMD and Intel set ups depend on the cooler that you pick and just how deluxe you go on the Intel memory modules (they use different memory types with Intel's costing a whole bunch more if you want to get the full 15% increase you are actually promised now). The Intel +15% faster gaming rig will cost more than TWICE AS MUCH as the AMD set up. And a few of the reviewers flat question if you can tell the 15% difference in the gaming frame rates with your Mark I eyeballs as at anything past 40 frames per second it gets hard to tell the difference sometimes as the games don't actually do anything between a lot of the frames (when you get going really fast the higher frame rates just look exactly the same). This is why a lot of gaming reviewers just test at a consistent 40 frames a second rate for everybody, especially when they are reviewing a main CPU processor instead of testing a video card. The state of the art Intel board costs twice as much. The fancy memory costs twice as much. The fancy CPU cooler rigs can cost 1.5x to 3x as much depending on what you pick and where you buy it. So your total Intel bill is going to be quite a bit higher than 2x more when compared to AMD implementations ....... So, Intel certainly isn't cheap for a dubious 15% total advantage in gaming ...... and several reviewers expect that run of the mill gamers are plenty smart enough to simply wait until year after next when AMD will come out with a new wave of yet still faster 5nm processors, sockets and boards before buying in with a new motherboard again. Last point to make. With AMD you can currently just re-use your 2 year old board and memory (Note: a free BIOS upgrade is needed) and you can drop in a new AMD processor into the same socket for around $249 ($231 at Amazon). Your AMD processor comes with a stock fan/air cooler right in the box with the new processor. You can't do this with Intel as the CPU sockets and memory have changed. Your Intel processor currently costs $499 plus .... and it requires you to go out and buy a motherboard, new memory sticks and a separate CPU cooler set up. NOTE PLEASE: Intel's chip really costs $579 if you really go out and try to actually buy one on the open market today. This particular unit was indeed part of the last big Intel "across the board lack of capacity" price INCREASE. So AMD costs WAY less than half what Intel would actually cost, and AMD says their old boards won't be changed (you can still do a processor upgrade job) until year 2021 when the 5nm stuff begins to roll on through. Intel is still busy jacking the price up on their processor and actually has NONE ready to sell at this point in time. The sample run units out in the funky boxes are it, I am afraid. I look forward to watching all the creative lying & BS that Intel will have to do next year to keep the gaming crown TO STILL BE PERCEIVED to still be sitting on their little pointy froggy heads. ::) |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/16/18 at 22:33:55 https://www.nextplatform.com/2018/10/16/a-new-datacenter-compels-arm-to-create-a-new-chip-line/ New threats to Intel from ARM Holdings http://3s81si1s5ygj3mzby34dq6qf-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/arm-datacenter-share.jpg This means rolling in new tech using the existing share of chips that the Arm collective sells into cellular base stations as well as switches, gateways, WAN routers, and the smidgen of servers as an entry wedge. That existing share has grown from around 5 percent seven years ago to almost 30 percent so far in 2018. With this large presence in the datacenter and an absolutely dominant share in smartphones, Arm has perhaps the best holistic view of how datacenters and devices are interacting and how this is changing the marketplace. The model of cloudy datacenters creating and distributing media content in its various forms – and 75 percent of the capacity transmitted these days is video, although we would argue that the information content does not yet rival other traditional media such as text and voice – to billions of PCs and smartphones is evolving rapidly, according to Drew Henry, senior vice president and general manager of the infrastructure line of business at Arm, So, ARM is doing very well in datacenters and devices, so ARM now selling in the next level of designs intending to grow in place off of existing strengths of position. A NEW TURN The Neoverse line of chips will draw on the current Cortex-A72 and Cortex-A75 designs, which will be recast with enhancements and made with tools and masks that are compatible with the current crop of 16 nanometer and 14 nanometer processes at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp as well as the equivalents at Samsung and GlobalFoundries – the three big independent fabs. ARM did not divulge what these chips, which was called a fork of the Cortex-A72 and Cortex-A75, would have that make them distinct, but we will find out soon enough. We do know that they will be recast as the “Cosmos” platform, and will be implemented in 16 nanometer processes, as the roadmap shows: http://3s81si1s5ygj3mzby34dq6qf-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/arm-neoverse-roadmap.jpg Next year, Arm will introduce the “Ares” successor to the currently successful Cosmos tweak, and this is where things get interesting. As the chart above suggests, Arm is promising an architecture that will deliver around 30 percent more performance with each generation, and an annual cadence to the designs that will keep the performance coming. By 2021, the chip designs that Arm will put out will, if this pace can be held, deliver 2.2X more performance per watt than Intel can provide. (By which Arm means aggregate compute throughput, not single thread performance, since clock speeds are going down as core counts go up.) Arm did talk a bit about the Neoverse platform coming next year, which will be geared for heavy datacenter jobs like network function virtualization dataplanes and servers. The Neoverse war plan calls for server processors that will eventually scale up to 128 cores. Our guess is that Arm will use a multichip module approach that leverages the Cortex-A72 blocks to get 48 cores on a die at first, and then puts eight cores on a chiplet or chip block at first with “Ares” in 2019, then twelve cores per chunk with “Zeus” in 2020, and then sixteen with “Poseidon” in 2021, which also switches to 5 nanometer chip etching. Variants used in dataplane applications that have up to 256 cores eventually, which is interesting indeed. Key point is ARM is reusing its low energy cell phone tech in packages that can also be a PC or a rack space server chipset, also currently covering ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN BETWEEN WITH A CONSISTENT LOW POWER CHIP SYSTEM. Intel has its Xenon super duper expensive (high energy hog) rack space server chipsets. ARM does the same jobs using lots of low energy cores at FAR FAR GREATER efficiency numbers. This was news 2 years ago and it was rolled out last year in Centriq processors from Qualcomm and with the Epic processor line from AMD. It was technically quite successful, but a vast mass of Intel Xenons still sitting in place proved to be an inertia mass that was very hard to get to actively rolling over. http://3s81si1s5ygj3mzby34dq6qf-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/arm-neoverse-server-platform.jpg Add it all up, and it could get quite a bit easier to field an Arm server chip, and there is more confidence in a long term roadmap that shows consistent performance growth, multiple fab partners, and a strong commitment to steady progress. This is how the Arm collective might attain that dream of 25-30 percent share in servers, commensurate with its existing share in other datacenter devices. So this is the crow bar that ARM is using to get the Xenons to begin to roll over ---- MUCH MUCH LOWER OPERATING COSTS and a very consistent MUCH CHEAPER TECH IMPLEMENTATION FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. Each wave of roll over will give the bean pickers a clear one year Return On Investment based off of reduced power and cooling costs, which is always a key financial test that bean pickers use to judge whether to fund a new technology. So ....... Who is on board with this initiative at this point in time? Broadcom “Combing Arm’s long-term infrastructure roadmap with Broadcom’s best in class networking technology, Broadcom delivers leadership performance products for the datacenter that are still power efficient. Arm’s roadmap enables optimizations that accelerate customer workloads for the evolving compute and connectivity requirements of tomorrow’s datacenter,” said Ed Redmond, senior vice president and general manager, Compute and Connectivity, Broadcom, Inc. Cadence “Building upon on our longstanding collaboration with Arm, Cadence has delivered specific flows for Arm-based designs from edge nodes through networks to the cloud including joint test chips, library, and memory development and characterization, R By 2021, the chip designs that Arm will put out will, if this pace can be held, deliver 2.2X more performance per watt than Intel can provide.AK implementation flows, optimized verification flows and Cadence DDR, PCIe, and CCIX IP integrations that support Arm’s Neoverse solutions,” said Paul Cunningham, corporate vice president and general manager of the System & Verification Group at Cadence. “We’ve also been working closely with Arm Neoverse ecosystem partners to implement SoC devices in Arm-based datacenters. As the first and only ecosystem partner to provide an Arm ServerReady compliance certification methodology, we’re jointly enabling our mutual customers to shorten time-to-silicon.” Marvell “Marvell® Infrastructure Processors are extensively deployed in a variety of leading network products. They are designed to analyze, secure, compute, and transform in both wired and wireless networks from the edge to the core,” said Raj Singh, senior vice president and general manager, Infrastructure Processors BU, Marvell Semiconductor Inc. “As a long term technology licensee, as well as an Arm IP customer, Marvell is very pleased to see this increased focus on the enterprise and 5G markets with Neoverse IP. We believe this will greatly benefit the whole Arm ecosystem in providing high performance and power-efficient solutions for the next generation of network infrastructure and compute.” Mellanox “Mellanox smart Ethernet and InfiniBand interconnect solutions provide the highest performance, efficiency, and scalability for Arm-based compute and storage platforms,” said Gilad Shainer, vice president of marketing at Mellanox Technologies. “Furthermore, Mellanox Bluefield™ SmartNIC integrates multi Arm cores with Mellanox interconnect technology, enabling the next generation of cloud, 5G networking, security storage solutions and more. We look forward to continuing work with Arm to leverage their new capabilities.” RedHat “Choice allows businesses to select the best solution for their needs, and this is true all the way down to the underlying architecture. It's up to software vendors like Red Hat to be able to support this demand for choice from our customers as they extend operations into the hybrid cloud," said Stefanie Chiras, vice president and general manager, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Red Hat. "With this emphasis on choice front and center, we look forward to supporting solutions from the Arm Neoverse ecosystem as our customers seek to match their evolving business requirements to the most appropriate enterprise IT solutions.” SUSE “SUSE has been an early and enthusiastic supporter of Arm technology. Customers use SUSE products to support IT infrastructure based on Arm processors for High Performance Computing, Cloud, Storage, Network infrastructure, and Edge Computing. The introduction of the Arm Neoverse technology roadmap will accelerate the transformation of IT infrastructure by delivering technology and ecosystems tailored for specific workloads.” Brent Schroeder, SUSE Chief Technology Officer, Americas Synopsys “Leading semiconductor and system companies rely on Synopsys tools and Interface IP for their most advanced cloud, infrastructure and networking designs,” said Deirdre Hanford, co-general manager, Synopsys Design Group. “Synopsys and Arm have been collaborating for more than 25 years to enable mutual customer success, and our latest collaboration delivers optimized support for Arm’s Neoverse platforms, where our Design Platform with Fusion Technology™, Verification Continuum™ Platform, and DesignWare® Interface IP have already enabled tapeout success for early adopters of Arm’s Neoverse roadmap, including the next generation “Ares” processor.” TSMC “Time to market in today’s rapidly evolving infrastructure requires proven, scalable IP, development tools, advanced processes, and a complete ecosystem to provide compelling solutions,” said Suk Lee, senior director of Design Infrastructure Marketing Division at TSMC. “The Arm Neoverse ecosystem leverages our most advanced processes to provide the highest performance solutions to a highly connected world.” Xilinx “High-performance IP, along with a complete ecosystem, enables customers to take full advantage of the flexibility inherent in our Arm-based products, said Gaurav Singh, vice president, architecture and verification, Xilinx. “The evolution of these cores, coupled with the capability of CCIX, provide an ideal platform for smart offload and purpose-driven edge compute platforms. We congratulate Arm on the launch of Neoverse and are looking forward to what it might enable.” Qualcomm Qualcomm has already has released 2 generations of Windows laptop chipsets on ARM, and is aiming for a third generation to ship this spring. The latest, the Qualcomm 1000 chipset will be a major expansion of the ARM PC chipset designs. But remember please, the Qualcomm 1000 is simply a "built on ARM technology" customization of the ARM Deimos design generation, nothing more. Qualcomm will release new follow on chipsets to match the next 4 waves of ARM PC releases. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/17/18 at 09:54:49 https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-zen-2-could-be-five-times-better-than-ryzen-2nd-generation-cpus AMD Zen 2 could be five times better than Ryzen 2nd Generation CPUs ARM Holdings has just released info on their planned roll outs for Rackspace and PC "made on ARM" technologies. REMEMBER, ARM HOLDINGS DOES NOT RELEASE INFORMATION ON ANY NEW ITEM UNTIL IT IS IN PRODUCTION AT ONE OF THEIR VENDORS. There is another string to that bow, and that is AMD's Zen products which are approaching Intel's goodness levels right now. 5 times better is game over for Intel, as they are lying and struggling to show a dubious 15% improvement over the previous generation AMD product that is shipping right now. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o it is in production, somewhere, boys and girls ...... AMD Zen 2 – AMD's rumored newest 7-nanometer architecture for processors – is still 3 months away from its expected CES 2019 reveal, but we’re seeing a slow trickle of details come out. AMD Zen 2 will supposedly feature a 13% increase in instructions per clock (IPC), otherwise known as the instructions executed for each clock cycle. This is impressive because it’s a nearly five-times increase in IPC compared to the 3% increase we saw from the first Ryzen processors to Ryzen 2nd Generation, i.e. Zen to Zen+ architecture. This latest rumor comes from Bits and Chips, an Italian technology site that claims to have gotten the information from an ”employee of a big company in the know,” who was the source of previous Intel Kaby Lake G leaks that proved to be true. If the leaks are correct, this increase in IPC could be monumental even in the face of Intel’s rivaling Coffee Lake Refresh processors. Considering the jump from 14nm Zen chips to 12nm Zen+ chips was already impressive in our reviews of the Ryzen 5 2600X and Ryzen 7 2700X, 7nm Zen 2 delivering almost five times the performance would be a game-changing improvement. The only other small detail we may know about Ryzen 3rd Generation processors with Zen 2 is they could make 8-core and 16-thread processors commonplace – even for the lowest tier Ryzen 3 CPUs. Of course, however AMD’s 7nm processors shake out, you can expect us to report on them live from CES 2019, which takes place January 19th (3 months from now). :o This is only 4 months away, boys and girls. It needs to be running right now at TSMC to be ready in 4 months time for the introduction at CES on the third week of January 2019 . |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/17/18 at 10:11:51 https://www.anandtech.com/show/13492/intel-to-split-manufacturing-group-into-three-segments Intel fires more upper level managers ................... http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13492/sdf_678x452.png Intel’s delays in its 10nm process technology have been extensively discussed, although the reasons behind it have rarely been aired in public. The process technology was originally set to have been in producion in 2016, and although Intel officially ‘shipped for revenue’ an obscure 10nm part in 2017, we are still waiting on the 10nm process to hit the primetime. Normally we expect to see a new major manufacturing process every 18-36 months, however the difficulties Intel has faced by attempting to implement a raft of new features down at the 10nm level have proved bigger than expected. After the abrupt retirement of Ahmed, the head of Manufacturing, the three groups split up will be headed up by different managers already at Intel: Technology Development, to be led by CTO Mike Mayberry* Manufacturing and Operations, led by Ann Kelleher Supply Chain, led by Randhir Thakur *Mike Mayberry was the head of Intel Labs. Rich Uhlig will be the new interim manager for Intel Labs. Anybody associated with the 10nm failure issues is being replaced completely or is being shuffled off to the side if they are still considered valuable to the company. How the three groups will work together has not yet been determined. As this is still during the transition to 10nm, there could be additional challenges in splitting up the groups. This is also on the back of Intel still not having a CEO, after Krzanich was removed earlier this year. Given Intel’s predicted six-month search for a new CEO, we should be hearing about this fairly soon. Just as they did with Krzanich, Intel is getting rid of the top dog in Manufacturing and is restructuring under his old lieutenants yet again. Stockholders are demanding ACTION, and that means "off with their heads" at Intel. If the new manufacturing structure will not perform rapidly enough, then some more heads will roll very quickly. Intel is still struggling to find a CEO to turn the place around and the headless organization is simply flailing around now, shite canning their senior management by knee jerk reaction in functional areas as various failures occur. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 10/17/18 at 10:34:43 Thank you for providing the Microsoft EULA information. We looked through multiple versions and can not find anything related to turning over control of any of my PC units to Microsoft. I may be misunderstanding your statement. "They will functionally sign over the rights to control their home computer" My version states only this: "The softwareperiodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you. You may obtain updates only from Microsoft or authorized sources, and Microsoft may need to update your system to provide you with those updates. By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice." My IT guy stated: "You don't have a "business" agreement with MS, you have bought all your PC units directly from manufacturers most of them Dell as personal machines. I assume this is because you purchase near triple the needed amount and end up giving them to staff or donate them. I don't see anything that currently allows MS to revoke your personal rights of control to your PC unless you choose to use their software and that would apply to software only, not the hardware. You will still have control of your home computer, it does not get nightly updates, it currently is not remotely controlled by MS. Just read each EULA as they release them and if one appears that states they may take over the operational procedures of the software without your consent then just disagree and we can go with alternate software." As I stated before I may have misinterpreted what you meant when I was looking for something stating MS will have control over the PC. It is interesting to me that some people are having the software on their machines altered nightly, with no control over the machine while I do not experience this. My purpose for looking into this is for education so I may formulate a best practice for future purchases and implementation. This post is not mean to reflect a personal opinion or otherwise indicate that I have a preference for any hardware, software, business practice or combination of them. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/17/18 at 10:45:25 Eegore, take these two things to heart and string them together in your own terms. I built this out of the sentences you just posted ..... its there, in plain sight. "The software periodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you. You may obtain updates only from Microsoft or authorized sources, and Microsoft may need to update your system (i.e. change your machine without your approval or knowledge) to provide you with those updates. By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice." "I don't see anything that currently allows MS to revoke your personal rights of control to your PC unless you choose to use their software which then updates your machine automatically without any additional notice." Try simplifying and fusing these sentences further into a very simple single English sentence, boiling away most of the Mickey speak legalese BS. Add in one little new fact, you cannot turn off automatic updates on any consumer level Win 10 system any more. You can click a box, but the updates simply do not stop rolling any more. MS can and will update old Win7 machines now any time they think they need to ---- they have proven this to be true several times in the recent past. MS never has had rights to do this, but they are still doing it anyway. MS will now delete incompatible drivers and other forms of software as "incompatible" without any notice during the act of "providing you with these updates". |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by jcstokes on 10/17/18 at 11:19:36 Interesting, when I turned on my computer the other morning, a short message said something about "updates taking place" or similar, this despite the fact that I turned off Windows updates over a year ago. Have been predominantly, say 90% using Linux for over six months and the Windows system is Windows 7. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/17/18 at 11:25:12 JC. Check your update box that you had turned off ....... betcha it is turned back on now. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 10/17/18 at 14:45:52 I'm not questioning that MS provides updates and that those updates are required. I was questioning how, through updates, they revoke the right, as an owner, to control my PC. I would think that enforcement would be near impossible. I understood that by accepting the MS EULA that I have given my approval and have knowledge of these updates, isn't that what the EULA is? How can I agree to the terms then say MS updated my machine without my approval or knowledge, other than saying I never read the EULA and that would be on me. Instead of cutting apart a sentence I prefer to use the entire thing: "I don't see anything that currently allows MS to revoke your personal rights of control to your PC unless you choose to use their software and that would apply to software only, not the hardware." So MS can only have control of their software and not the actual PC, and they have zero control over my rights, one of which is what I do with my PC. It makes complete sense that they can control their software. As I said before, I must have misinterpreted what you were saying. Regarding the nightly updates stopping people from gaming, I also have not experienced this and was wondering if there's some sort of 72 hour continual gaming process I could implement to see when this happens. Is it specific games, and is there a way to find out what time this happens? |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/17/18 at 23:59:45 Sorry, not so. When MS deletes a driver or a software as "obsolete or incompatible" during a nightly update and that hardware portion of your machine STOPS working, they have gone outside their software space and have removed functionality from your machine, once again without your consent or approval. I have had to replace an old video card that required an ATI driver that MS would not leave alone. I replaced the card rather than fight MS over it. And yes, I understand that MS cannot have certain drivers operational on their machine because it conflicts with the general driver direction they took and the two paths are mutually exclusive. I had an old label maker quit working for the same reason -- and I couldn't figure out why MS hated that driver sooooo much my wife's rarely used label printer would never work whenever she needed it. I could get it to work again by reinstalling the software each time, but that was a pain in the ass so I bought my wife a new one. The old label printer now lives and works on my Linux box just fine. The old Linux driver still works great and so does the hardware. The MS Automatic Updates system is "across the board" thing and can be very arbitrary sometimes. The newest wrinkle on this situation is when MS develops a "generic" driver for a whole class of hardware that runs OK with most stuff and then uses the generic driver to replace your installed vendor specific driver as a convenience to themselves during updates and all your advanced fine control features simply stop working on your video card. And yes, if you use MS OS and automatic update functionality you REALLY ARE actually sharing control of your machine with MS. When MS reaches through the internet and manipulates JC's old Win 7 machine to suit themselves in fashions they could never do before it is MS clearly taking control of his hardware without permission. How are they doing it? Their software updates to all OS software all now have the generic abilities to start up a turned off but still connected machine (literally your machine does NOT really shut down now even if you shut it down, it remains "listening for updates" 24/7). They just proved this to JC as he just told us about. You may have approved this as part of an emergency update for security reasons that took place well over a year ago. Or you allowed it to install as part of a MS emergency pushed Meltdown or Spectre security patch last year. Or, since it became the MS generic default, it simply just got included as part of a vendor's update (yep, them authorized sources can give it to you too). When you share control of your machine with MS and "authorized sources", you have done just that -- they can reach out and change the software, and by extension the shut down the hardware affected by that software. Ownership is control, and legally you have shared control of your physical machine with Microsoft. Microsoft has crossed the line a couple of times, most egregiously when they started deleting "pirated" software and "unauthorized softwares" from your hard drive. Dual boot Linux systems with GRUB installed to control the boot up of your machine ran afoul of MS's ever changing automatic crank up stuff and GRUB kept getting deleted about every 3 months. It was seen as "unauthorized" software. The last case where MS very clearly went too far was several old style Antivirus softwares that would alert and quarantine any changed files when MS went into your machine at night fiddling. The old Antivirus software models saw this as a virus attack and would alert and quarantine and do all the things they were built to do, and they would do it to the things Microsoft changed. This was embarrassing to MS as MS was changing things that they had no business changing and the Antivirus was keeping a daily list of MS fiddles which then hit the internet as OMG issues. So, over a year ago MS started quietly DELETING these old style Antivirus programs from your hard drive and telling you that only Windows Defender was "authorized". ::) =================================================== Eegore writes: "Regarding the nightly updates stopping people from gaming, I also have not experienced this and was wondering if there's some sort of 72 hour continual gaming process I could implement to see when this happens. Is it specific games, and is there a way to find out what time this happens?" Sorry, I have not a clue as to what you are specifically asking here. There are a few generic causes though, as follows. In general, a specific MS Windows version x.x is required for some games. Sometimes a specific MS Direct X version x.x is required for some games. The actual game requirements are listed on the outside of the box so you can avoid dropping bucks for a game your machine cannot run. Generally all was kosher on both sides when you bought the game, but now MS has changed the OS environment while the game stays fixed as it was originally. Sometimes games can STOP RUNNING if MS's nightly visitations changes a key driver to a version the game simply cannot deal with. Or if the update moves where things are located, such as the directory where that particular game keeps its saved game stuff is "modernized" and renamed to something else. The game then yields a "file not found" or a "directory not found" error. Gamers share these issues with each other in the game forums, and they then post work-arounds for tweeking most of the easy to fix stuff. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by jcstokes on 10/18/18 at 00:36:47 OF, as you know I'm pretty much illiterate in these matters. I did check the Windows update box, and it would appear that the last updates were installed in August 2017. I have now instructed the computer not to look fror Windows updates (NOT RECOMMENDED), so I'll just have to see what happens. I also think I have resolved a scanning issue with Linux, which will help my use of Linux. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/18/18 at 00:51:56 JC, that's great. Soon enough you will begin to realize that you DON'T really need MS Windows at all. Then, about a year or so later, you will reluctantly let MS go after some massive irritation when MS keeps on doing stupid stuff. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/18/18 at 09:56:55 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgGS_zZfpT0 it is a YouTube, so click on it Principled Technology is being lampooned here big time, and if you choose to take it at face value you can understand a little bit of what potentially went wrong with the Intel sponsored original testing. In any case, it is funny to watch ...... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 10/18/18 at 10:08:24 I was under the interpretation that drivers are software and under the operating system's control. Since I use an OS to access/modify drivers then I am agreeing to give the OS access, and control of those drivers. I see how they can disable hardware this way. The same for my files, aren't they accessed/opened etc. by the OS? That gives MS control of how, if, when I can access those files through their OS is how I interpret it. When I install Windows that is my gateway to files, drivers, games etc. and the EULA does seem to indicate that they can alter how or if I can access those files through their software. I can see where this could be a problem for some people. So I wonder where the software space exists exactly. Where are the barriers? So if Intel and MS are setup to modify a machine as necessary to make Intel work better within the machines parameters will that deter AMD users from using Microsoft? |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/18/18 at 10:20:29 If they are casual Windows users, yes they will be discouraged by OS related issues sometimes and will sometimes blindly go buy a new set of brand new stock Wintel stuff just to keep it all from getting "too hard" in their minds. By and large, the more advanced users appreciate the advantages of AMD and can overcome most of the dirty little Wintel tricks. Multi-OS users (dual boot Linux users) literally buy and use whatever works best for them and their pocket book at that time. As JC and I can attest, there isn't anything wrong with old hardware when you are running Linux it works both quick and just fine. When you boot into Windows, the MS "old hardware molasses effect" comes back full bore and is quite noticeable when it hits you in the face. splash --- thick sticky molasses all over your face, screen and keyboard Leveraging Linux, I can get "current performance levels" from a 15 year old $79 refurb Dell Optiplex 760 Core Duo processor box. I like that, it fits my wallet better so I can buy more guns and motorcycles. =================================================== My wife did a new one earlier this week -- she came home all pissed off at the school's IT department for upgrades to Grade Book and Drop Box that had shut her out of most of her files at work. I think they simply broke her Firefox in the upgrade, personally She came in, dropped her brief case on my computer table and said "I need to use the good computer". I got up, she sat down and proceeded to open up her school account on Firefox (which I only keep around as a back-up browser) where she had her Grade Book, Drop Box and her student listing in Turn It In already set up as bookmarks. (She has used my machine before to do her grades because the monitor is a cheap 1080p 22" flat screen Samsung TV with lots of space for multiple windows being open at the same time) The only question she asked me was how to split screen her programs again (same as Windows, shrink the open window to half size and open a new window up and shrink it to half size and arrange them side by side using the drag bar). She then mashed and bashed for nearly an hour to get her stuff all done and her grades all turned in and then wanted me to take her out to dinner "somewhere fast and nice" because she was exhausted and hungry. My wife is not slow witted. She is driving and persistent and she has the WILL get it done. But she was a seething angry woman that day. During dinner she asked me why I always get the good computer. I offered to give it to her that afternoon and have it set up on her desk by bedtime. She said 'Yes' at first then backtracked because she knew I go would buy me a new machine and it would cost the household "thousands of dollars". I offered to buy her the new machine and set it up on her desk within a week. I said I would get her a nice "like-new" used Dell machine and not spend too much money on it. She balked at the word used, then considered the situation a bit before answering. She decided that as long as I was willing to give her the good computer any time she needed it, we could make do through her retirement with what we have. She then said the most interesting thing, that NOBODY at school had a machine that was nearly as fast as my good computer. ;D ..... a 15 year old, Core 2 Duo processor Dell Optiplex 760 bought as a lease return for $79 on a Black Friday sale |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 10/19/18 at 07:06:52 I'd like to look at that computer when you are done with it someday. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/19/18 at 07:22:08 https://gizmodo.com/intels-5ghz-i9-processor-is-incredible-for-hype-and-pre-1829850360 Intel's 5GHz i9 Processor Is Incredible for Hype and Pretty Good for Computing, Too by Alex Cranz, Gizmodo The product categories in the CPU marketplace are rapidly eroding. Intel and AMD have spent the last year and a half furiously releasing new products, and tweaking their lines to take on the competition. In some cases, prices have been slashed. In others, it’s meant CPUs have had more cores or threads packed in. The result is a murky marketplace with no clear winners or losers, just a lot of CPUs that go real fast. But this 5GHz i9 Processor is Intel’s first 5GHz CPU that anyone can buy. It’s not a limited edition. There are no hoops to jump through. It’s a nice 8-core CPU that’s almost twice the price of its competitor, the $280 AMD Ryzen 7 2700X. That product is an 8 core, 16 thread CPU as well, but its turbo clock speed is lower—just 4.3GHz, while the base clock speed is higher, 3.7GHz versus 3.6GHz. It’s a little more power hungry, being a 105W processor while the i9 9900K is a 95W processor. (Then Gizmodo breaks down ALL the current processors from both camps, concluding that ALL of them can do all tasks tested including gaming with approximately the same perceived results to the Mark I eyeballs of the normal user. SOLUTION: You just pick using power draw and price and IGNORE all the hype that is being put out by both sides) In fact the only place you really see the difference in performance for all these CPUs, which, again, range in price from $190 to $900, is in our two most demanding tests. In one we note how long it takes to render a 3D image in Blender. In the other we convert a large 4K video into 1080p. They’re both decently tasking processes that really take advantage of all those cores and threads I’ve mentioned. They’re the only place where you see any significant difference in all these CPUs. Here things play out very much as expected—an AMD CPU with a similar power requirement and the same core and thread count will beat the pricier Intel product. So when it comes down to choosing what to buy you have to ask yourself two very basic questions: how much do I want to spend and what kind of speed do I need? Because if you’re just looking for a CPU to play games on, then every single CPU I’ve mentioned, from the $190 one to the $900 one is going to play games pretty similarly. In our benchmarks using Civilizations VI and Rise of the Tomb Raider on a rig with an Nvidia 1080, with settings cranked to their highest and tested at 4K, we found the difference between the products almost negligible. Your graphics card GPU matters much, much more. So what do you buy? For most people, the latest i5 or Ryzen 5 will be enough, pick your poison based on your budget. But if you want Threadripper level rendering speeds in a chip that’s almost half the price the i9 9900K is a new and excellent option. It may feel like it’s easy to figure out what CPU is right for you, but that couldn’t be further from the truth right now with all the hype flying around all the time. REAL TAKE AWAY: No matter your budget right now both AMD and Intel are both producing wicked fast CPUs right now. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/19/18 at 07:41:40 7151535B4651340 wrote:
Do you have a spare box somewhere in your IT storage spaces? Take it home and load up Linux Mint Mate 19 on it, making sure to tell Mint Mate 19 to take over the entire hard drive and not accidentally set up a test result confusing dual boot. For your test to be valid, you need to get MS completely off the machine. Then learn how to use Mint Mate (which is mostly instinctive to you anyway as it looks like Win7) and then you can have a test bench unit of your very own ( ........ for free ........) to analyze to death. It will likely be more powerful and somewhat faster than my old box. [smiley=engel017.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/19/18 at 08:05:33 https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-2-ryzen-8-core-16-thread-cpu-leak/ The press boys and girls are all out hunting for any real world engineering samples of the already successfully test run AMD 7nm Ryzen 3000 chipsets that supposedly will totally dethrone Intel completely in about 4 months time ...... And why are these samples likely out at the video card companies? The video card guys are busy making up custom video card drivers for the Ryzen 3000 generation, of course ---- I hope they really do a good job of it at Radeon as some of the other GPU vendor card guys will be paid off by Intel (and by their own greedy self interest) to do a very poor job of it, intentionally. ..... . and nobody singled out Nvidia graphics cards, although they might have if they wanted to ....... With the reveal of AMD’s next-generation Zen 2 CPU core soon approaching, the latest rumors have revealed that Radeon Technologies Group already received one sample for optimizations. The rumor comes from a forum member at HardOCP who’s known to have some reputation on the forums when it comes to AMD related leaks. AMD Zen 2 “3rd Gen Ryzen” CPU Arrived in RTG Labs – 8 Cores, 16 Threads, Up To 4.5 GHz Early Sample There are not a lot of details mentioned but first of all, you may be wondering why does the AMD RTG (Radeon Technologies Group) have the sample this early. The reason is said to be changes to the interconnect which requires RTG to make adjustments for their video card drivers. The sample in question was based on the new Zen 2 core architecture which AMD had completed the design of earlier this year. The Zen 2 CPU featured 8 cores and 16 threads. Judging by the configuration, we can tell that this would be part of the third generation Ryzen mainstream family. The chip featured a base clock of 4.0 GHz and a boost clock of 4.5 GHz. It was tested with DDR4-3600 MHz (CL15) memory along with a Radeon RX Vega 64 Liquid graphics card. The test platform was an engineering motherboard with an AMD logo. It may be based on the new chipset but AMD did confirm when they launched Ryzen that their AM4 socket is designed to be future proof so the possibility of current motherboards to support next-gen Zen 2 CPUs is highly likely. Whooooooooopie !!! ...... Ryzen Gen 3000 will run on existing AMD motherboards ...... Hey, Intel interim CEO/CFO, that shallow pan of water is quietly getting hotter and hotter and hotter -- ya needs to be about firing some more negligent manufacturing upper manager type sacrifices, ASAP, as more horned goat type alter sacrifices are needed ASAP or your stock holders will indeed be doing the slow fine tooth hacksaw beheading job on YOU next !!! |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by jcstokes on 10/19/18 at 11:39:03 OF, someday, definitely not today, I will write a post called "Linux the illiterates journey". |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/19/18 at 15:08:34 Actually, it will be an encouragement to several here on the list who are still just thinking about it ..... What they need first is the "decision making point that prompted you to actually go try it". |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Papa Bear on 10/19/18 at 16:16:34 The "Cosmic Cuttlefish" is out .... looks good :) |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/20/18 at 05:48:25 https://liliputing.com/2018/10/steamvr-motion-smoothing-aims-to-make-vr-bearable-on-cheaper-pcs.html SteamVR motion smoothing aims to make VR bearable on cheaper PCs http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/steam-vr-motion-680x326.jpg Even the simplest VR experiences can look pretty lousy if you don’t have a computer capable of delivering high frame rates to your headset. Now Valve is introducing new technology that could make it a little easier for relatively inexpensive computers to keep up. The company is rolling out a beta of Motion Smoothing for its SteamVR platform. Once motion smoothing is enabled, SteamVR attempts to figure out if your computer is about to drop frames. If so, it’ll analyze the last two frames, estimate the motion and animation to come up with a new frame and deliver it. That means that if you have a headset capable of displaying 90 frames per second, you’ll still see 90 frames per second… even if some of them are estimated by SteamVR rather than generated by the game your VR experience you’re running. Valve says that reduces the amount of processing power used by the application you’re running… and if that’s not good enough for smooth performance, motion smoothing can synthesize up to three frames for every one rendered by the application. You do still need a computer that meets some minimum requirements to use SteamVR’s new motion smoothing feature. That means you’ll need a Windows 10 PC with NVIDIA graphics. The technology is also currently compatible with the HTC Vive and Vive Pro VR headsets, but not Oculus Rift or Windows Mixed Reality Headsets. As Gabe and Google worked out the details of Tensor 3 supported gaming, a wonderful thought occurred to Gabe. "Hey Google, is your Tensor 3 fast enough to do 3-D Reality Streaming of VR over the net?" |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/21/18 at 05:45:36 https://liliputing.com/2018/10/chrome-os-updates-to-bring-linux-apps-to-mediatek-chromebooks-android-9-to-most-chromebooks.html http://https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Dse8c4AHn7S8_VqLSspIoj9Ijc9ndoascabgG5iu0TFdlSMKx6AyKUeDGtHS7MKMLbWZ5g=s167 Google has reached a consensus point with the EU fine situation, Google will pay the 5 billion dollar fine and will start to charge like $40-60 per phone if the EU customers want Google Services installed on their phones. Google tried to make an ad sharing agreement available to users, one of several possible agreements were proposed but Brussels won't approve any of them. Brussels wants their people to have to PAY to use Google, thinking this evens up the playing field as everyone else has to charge money for their stuff. No matter how it goes the EU Android phone users will pay a lot MORE and parts of Google Services will not be free or ad supported any more in the EU. This is what Brussels wants. Brussels expected the cost of the phones to go down eventually, but that doesn't seem to be happening. EU Telecom operators are unhappy as user folks are not buying the new phones that are coming stripped of Android functionality. Keeping your old Android phone for another year is suddenly very popular. So is ordering generic unlocked phones all the way from China. Speaking of Google, Google is forging forward with their new Fuchsia OS system, but it is still pretty far away at this point in time. The extra manning remains assigned on the Fuchsia project, so progress is still moving faster than before. Google Chromebooks are forging forward as well, all newly sold Chromebooks mount Android 9.0 Pie Apps now and now most of the better units come with Linux Apps showing up on the stock Chrome OS file system right along with the Android Apps. This was done mainly for business users, who wanted their people to have true ease of use with their Business Chromebook Systems. Some of the weaker non-Intel Chromebook systems didn't have the natural ability to run Linux Apps (not enough processor and resources). Google has lately been getting inspiration from their gaming cooperations with Gabe at Steam and has now started to add Tensor support to these older, weaker Chromebook processors. This can come from a larger device mounted AI block, or from Tensor Servers on the net like Gabe uses for his gaming service. Mediatek is mounting the larger required AI block on their current crop of Chromebook processors. Compared to supporting Gabe's 3-D VR plans, supporting some weaker older stock Chromebooks with some Tensor Power is a piece of cake. Google is actively working with Mediatek in this effort, as Mediatek wants to sell a WHOLE LOT of Chromebook processors next year and Mediatek epitomizes a "weaker much cheaper Chromebook processor" right now ...... =================================================== Chrome OS updates to bring Linux apps to MediaTek Chromebooks, Android 9 to most Chromebooks https://liliputing.com/2018/10/chrome-os-updates-to-bring-linux-apps-to-mediatek-chromebooks-android-9-to-most-chromebooks.html Here’s why these updates matter. Most Chromebooks released in the past few years have been able to run the Google Play Store and Google apps. But it’s been a while since Google updated the Android subsystem. The move to Android 9 Pie brings some user interface tweaks, new file system support for apps and features that may not have been available for Android Nougat and some other tweaks — the default camera app in Chrome OS Canary now seems to be the Google camera app for Android. The file system shares some of the latest improvements also. All your various Android and Linux worlds just show up in the stock Chrome OS file system and you can park the apps in your tool bars, etc. Meanwhile, the addition of Chrome OS file system support for Linux apps allows users to download and install desktop applications that work whether you have an internet connection or not. That allows you to run office software, applications for editing audio, video, or images, or games that might not otherwise be available for Chromebooks. And yes, MS Office is available through this path as well. All of these things make Chromebooks more appealing to Big Business. Linux app support is still very much a work in progress and still seems like it’s aimed at developers rather than casual users at the moment. But Google keeps adding features that make Linux apps work more like native apps and the company keeps adding support for more devices. The latest update means the Acer Chromebook R13, Lenovo Chromebook 300e, and a handful of other devices will soon join the ranks of Chrome OS devices capable of running Linux apps. This means Chromebooks for Business can be cheaper and still have access to the added ranks of fully usable apps that come either for free or at low cost. Since MS has jerked the price of Windows and Office 365 up so sharply of late and Intel has raised the cost of their processors 50% due to their own self-created "production shortages" so the alternate OS systems using ARM processors are gaining more ground in Consumer and in Business. Wintel is slowly pricing itself to death. ARM processors are getting stronger (with larger AI blocks and more memory). ChromeOS is getting stronger and better with both Android and Linux apps showing up in the file systems. Tensor support tricks are being worked out for older weaker Chromebooks so they can go ahead and work the new stuff for their full lifetimes. About that lifetime stuff --- Linux Apps have no expiration date, nor do Android Apps. ChromeOS just stops updating itself at end of life and once it reaches end of life maturity and becomes a fixed system which will still continue to run new Linux Apps and Android Apps that can be side loaded and updated at will over the years that follow. So, Chromebooks will have a natural life span that is extended for a goodly bit. Fuchsia will be along later on to replace ChromeOS (supposedly) but you can continue to use ChromeOS that came with your device as a Mature End of Life system for quite a while if that makes sense to you. =================================================== The world class all time cheapest computing is still to buy or acquire an old Intel desktop PC or laptop and put Linux Mint (or if you like that system one of the Ubuntu flavors) on it. It requires you to learn a little bit over time, but it isn't bad and since you only have to pick it up slowly as you go along it is relatively less effort than keeping Win 7 running on an old Win 7 box. Linux gets updated, new features, new capabilities though, just like any modern OS does. Win 7 does not get new features plus Win 7 still requires the monthly anti-virus and de-fragmentation maintenance routines, etc. etc. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/21/18 at 20:35:05 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/10/microsofts-problem-isnt-shipping-windows-updates-its-developing-them/3/ https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-accused-of-a-flawed-windows-10-development-process/ https://itvision.altervista.org/why-windows-10-sucks.html http://https://itvision.altervista.org/files/windows-10-fixed.jpg Win 10 is riddled with layers of flawed, limping code written by a bad development process OK, this past 2 weeks MS stubbed its toe big time yet again, having to pull back their Big Fall Update because it was actually DELETING parts of some user's hard drives. It was shipped with that problem and half a dozen other "minor issues" that were still unfixed (although they were reported by early release Windows Insider Testers and all these issues were already reported and known when the release was shipped). Let's not get hung up on it too much, as stuff like that is the price you pay to run Windows 10 as an ongoing service ....... ........ and it has always has been that way. WAIT A FRIGGIN' MINUTE !!!! What did that man just say ????? Big Big furor in Mickey fanboy land over this last series of articles, then the various fanboys began to confirm through their own Insider members that they REALLY DID report all these bugs to MS ahead of time and MS simply chose to ship the updates anyway, unfixed. THIS then becomes the big news and the issue of the day. Windows Software as a Service has been de-manned and de-volved into just two major feature updates a year and a whole lot of "nightly pushed bug fixes". Next week you will get some of the fixes for the evil done by the previous fixes from last week. Repeat as needed. After about 3 iterations of this (or two months linear time) the bug is judged "good enough" to call fixed and all work on it stops. Why? Too many new bugs need attention and that old one is good enough for MS. After 6 months, the entire major update level becomes locked, remaining errors and all, and Windows gets another buggy programming layer that the next iteration of MS stuff will be built on top of. Apple does it better. Google does it much better. Linux does it a whole lot better. They release relatively bug free software and are deadly fast on fixing a bug permanently within hours (almost always on the very first try, too). Read the 3 articles listed at the top of the post to get a moderate perspective, a harder perspective and one flat pissed off perspective of what is wrong with MS's OS software development team. http://https://itvision.altervista.org/files/windows_devolution.jpg Channeling some classic Billy Crystal from Miracle Max the little old wizard from The Princess Bride is truly required here ..... :P .... and for this you are paying like $140 a year for this level of "non-service"? Smuck, yes a smuck -- YOU are a smuck ....... smuck smuck smuck idiotic smuck |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 10/22/18 at 06:01:11 I'm still trying to figure out how I don't have any of these problems. Not so far anyway. Luckily I have around 10 or 12 Dell 7577 laptops sitting unused, so the plan is to fire them up and have half update and half stay the same. My IT guy says they can easily check daily for changes. Also I can't find a subscription plan for Windows 10 ($140 a year) but I can for Office. Lastly do you think Linux will work well with multi-monitor connections. As in 4 monitors on one PC, and also things like projectors, TVs and wireless monitor connections. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/22/18 at 10:02:33 https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-configure-multiple-monitors-in-linux-mint Linux and Mint has supported multiple monitors for 5-10 years now. The configuration of such depends on the video card you have and the installed driver you are using. Here are the installation and tuning instructions you are looking for. https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-configure-multiple-monitors-in-linux-mint Eegore, you do not have some of these Win 10 issues since you are on a old pre-existing Business Service Agreement plan that is administered by an IT department. These comments are for normal "Windows as a Service" users that are buying in NOW and all these things are out there for them to stumble over. IE ...... so count your blessings , Thanksgiving is coming ....... As far as Windows 365 packages go, they vary according to who is selling them to you. Here is an example of one Windows and Office and everything else package. https://www.avepoint.com/blog/office-365/ms365-vs-o365/ ........ and we all need to try to remember to just call it Windows, Win 10 is gone, Win 10 has been replaced by the endlessly updated Windows as a Service now ....... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/22/18 at 12:42:48 https://semiaccurate.com/2018/10/22/intel-kills-off-the-10nm-process/ SemiAccurate has learned that Intel just pulled the plug on their struggling 10nm process. Before you jump to conclusions, we think this is both the right thing to do and a good thing for the company. Quotable Quotes: Before we explain why knifing 10nm is good for Intel, lets start with a few quotes: “We hear that internally Intel is quite worried about making the launch of Cannon even though it is still about a year away. This is no ordinary early silicon issue, it is a serious and unexpected problem. Coffee lake being added at the last minute between Kaby and Cannon should shed some light on the depths of Intel’s 10nm woes, things are a mess. More when we get it, but for now, not a merry Christmas for those singing from hymnals D1C and D1D.” -SemiAccurate Dec 22, 2016 “Doing the same job on a 14nm process results in cheaper chips that perform better. Intel has to put out 10nm parts because they are expected to by Wall Street. Don’t for a second think the top brass isn’t aware of this and actively making product decisions because of that pressure.” -SemiAccurate Dec 28, 2016 “All of these things back up the three financial graphs Intel presented multiple times at Manufacturing day. Although costs are going up, with hyperscaling the net result is a great benefit for Intel, not the expected losses from node transition slips. This is all quite true if yields are the same or better for newer nodes. Intel normalized the graphs for some reason so you can’t tell what the actual yields are, nor their effect on the financial outlook. If they are far worse on newer nodes as some have intoned, the rosy financial conclusions may not smell quite so sweet. If yields on 10nm are better than 32, all is well. Feel free to draw your own conclusions based on yields for current processes.” -SemiAccurate April 4, 2017 “This says that Intel has roughly zero confidence in their current roadmap for 10nm, another insertion of a 14nm product undoubtedly means another delay to the above schedule. What does it mean? It means don’t be surprised when the Q1/2019 conference call delays things yet again.” -SemiAccurate May 21, 2018 “The 10nm Cannon Lake parts aren’t real and never will be viable, financially or technically speaking.” -SemiAccurate May 29, 2018 “Told ya” – Authors Note, Today Don’t Mourn: For several years now SemiAccurate has been saying the the 10nm process as proposed by Intel would never be financially viable. Now we are hearing from trusted moles that the process is indeed dead and that is a good thing for Intel, if they had continued along their current path the disaster would have been untenable. Our moles are saying the deed has finally been done. This isn’t to say the road to this point has been easy or straightforward, and the road ahead is even less solid. Intel has continually moved the public bar on 10nm back, incrementally, while singing a different song internally. In their Q1/2018 earnings call they moved the timetables and spun it in a curious way but were telling partners a different story. Nothing however tops the masterful “Hyperscaling” stunt where Intel brought in press and analysts to a ‘manufacturing day’ in early 2017 to explain how the crippling slide of 10nm was not actually a slide, it was a good thing and not a delay at all. SemiAccurate laughed and stopped just short of calling Intel liars. The company redefined terms well past the breaking point to show that scaling was ‘on track’ even if node cadence was ‘intentionally’ longer. As you can see from the above graph, all was good publicly, internally SemiAccurate was hearing a very different story. (Note: Intel was on track to miss that graph by 1+ year and sliding before 10nm was killed.) The knifing of 10nm shows that Intel is finally willing to do the right things for the right reasons even if it costs them some short term pain, it is the first adult decision we have seen from the company in several years. Let us walk through the reasons why it is a good thing, from cost to timetables to competitiveness to management changes to potential product roadmaps. It is not a clean, easy or pithy story to pull a sound bite from but it is interesting. OK, this Intel internal leak, reported by Semi-Accurate and confirmed by two Intel internal sources, has already been denied by Intel's PR function who has trotted out the current lies all over again --- Intel upper management is simply acting scared shiteless at what will happen to their stock prices. And it will. It will happen. Intel is only 3-5 months away from getting lapped by AMD on the upper end and getting lapped by ARM processors on the bottom to middle end. Intel is in trouble, deep deep trouble. Micron is dodging away from Intel just as fast as they can. MS is forging ties with Qualcomm and with the Linux world so as to have a post-Intel future pathway. Intel does not have a viable future plan at this time. The repeat it all again stuff they pushed out again this afternoon is patently BOGUS. They have had to lie on their latest benchmark testing just to show "appreciable progress" but only at the 10% level compared to their previous bogus benchmarks. PC Vendors are rolling in AMD motherboard units just as quickly as they can make them up, having been released from Intel's restrictive agreements due to Intel not being able to provide them the chipsets they ordered. They are not loving Intel's latest 50% price hike either ...... =================================================== https://www.techpowerup.com/248783/intel-could-have-killed-10-nm-process-according-to-semiaccurate-report-updated UPDATED by dmartin Monday, October 22nd 2018 11:47 Update: Intel has made an official statement on Twitter denying this and explaining that "Media reports published today that Intel is ending work on the 10nm process are untrue. We are making good progress on 10nm. Yields are improving consistent with the timeline we shared during our last earnings report." Intel has been talking for years about the leap to the 10 nm process, a technology whose launch has been delayed time and time again. We were supposed to start seeing these microprocessors in 2016, but that date was postponed to 2017 and later to 2018. The manufacturer assumed the problems once again this year, but made a new promise: you will have 10 nm processors by the end of 2019. The market seems to continue to trust Intel despite everything. Others, on the other hand, say that Intel is about to announce the total cancellation of this project. You have to take this news of Charlie Demerjian in SemiAccurate not with a grain of salt, but with a lot of grains of salt, because according to their sources, Intel would have already killed the process of 10 nm. This analyst has maintained the theory that Intel would never take that step, and in his analysis indicates that in his opinion this is the right decision. Evidently there has not been any official confirmation or comment from Intel, so for the moment Demerjian's statement raises many doubts and could be mere speculation. In SemiAccurate they mention reliable sources that indicate that Intel has already taken this decision, which they welcome as being the most accurate despite the economic cost that such abandonment could cause in Intel. Demerjian not only reveals that Intel has decided to abandon this 10 nm process, but also adds that Intel's discourse has been deceptive all along: what it said publicly and its internal discourse were very different things. Events at Intel don't help to clarify the situation. With Krzanich out, there is now new information that indicates Intel splitting manufacturing into three different segments. The problems with 10 nm silicon fabrication continue, and some analysts have mentioned how Intel is at least 5 years behind TSMC and may never catch up. On the other hand, recent reports give us (and their stock) some optimism, but the recent piece published at SemiAccurate shakes things up again. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 10/22/18 at 14:14:23 "Eegore, you do not have some of these Win 10 issues since you are on a old pre-existing Business Service Agreement plan that is administered by an IT department." I don't have an IT department I have an IT person. He stated this as indicated in my previous post: "You don't have a "business" agreement with MS, you have bought all your PC units directly from manufacturers most of them Dell as personal machines. I assume this is because you purchase near triple the needed amount and end up giving them to staff or donate them." I buy from the Dell website under my name each year, not a business name. How would they know to create a business software package for me? Or more specifically, is there a way that they know to make a business alteration to my software even if I buy as a person, not a business? |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/22/18 at 14:33:43 Eegore, I have no idea how you get your updates or what types you get. You are buying business machines from a business supplier (Dell) and you keep mentioning the word PRO after all your softwares. One would think mebbe you have a Dell Pro set up .... Don't ask me to explain your stuff, I am half a country away from you. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/22/18 at 14:40:14 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/10/report-intel-is-cancelling-its-10nm-process-intel-no-were-not/?comments=1 scroll up to read the short article, as link parks you at the start of the comments page where all the interesting stuff comes out. Development of Intel's 10nm process has been difficult. Intel was very ambitious with its 10nm process—planning to increase the transistor density by something like 2.7 times—and wanted to use a number of exotic technologies to get there. It turned out that the company had bitten off more than it could chew: yields were very low, which is to say that most of the chips being manufactured were defective. In a bid to recover, Intel is now striving for a less ambitious scaling (though still more than double the transistor density of its 14nm process). It has one oddball processor on the market: the Cannon Lake core i3-8121U. Unusually for this kind of processor, the integrated GPU has been disabled. That's because they're not working; the GPUs use different designs for their logic than the CPUs, and these designs are proving particularly troublesome. The company's most recent estimate is that 10nm will go into volume production in the second half of 2019. The report from SemiAccurate cites internal sources saying that this isn't going to happen: while there may be a few 10nm chips, for the most part Intel is going to skip on down to its 7nm process. Read this, then read the comments below it. The boys are saying that Intel is simply redefining 12nm as "10nm' as 12nm is the best anyone can really do with the old multi-mask production systems. What's sad is that is the exact same stuff that 14nm+++ was, so in this case it is just another bogus name change for the same old stuff Intel is currently pushing. Intel is still faced with getting lapped by AMD on the top end and by ARM on the bottom and middle using a REAL 7nm EUV process in 4 months time. In 4 months time, the fat lady comes out on the Intel stage and starts singing ....... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 10/22/18 at 14:57:44 "You are buying business machines from a business supplier (Dell) and you keep mentioning the word PRO after all your softwares" I actually have not mentioned the word PRO, none of my software says that to my knowledge. It says Windows 10 Home on all but 7 of them. "Don't ask me to explain your stuff, I am half a country away from you. " Understood. To clarify I was asking that if you have knowledge of any methodology that Windows, or Dell would use to identify a single person purchaser, as a business and alter their software appropriately. Single person meaning any one person and not a specific person. I ask because you have more knowledge in this particular subject than I do, had your articles read to me and didn't see that particular issue mentioned. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by verslagen1 on 10/22/18 at 15:02:55 0320282A292020293E4C0 wrote:
Maybe we should call it WaSn't because I'll never install it. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/22/18 at 15:05:24 Try asking Dell Customer service. They should know what they sold you and what sort of license it was sold under (unless the sale was to "cash" again). Ask them if you are covered by MS nightly update service. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/22/18 at 22:53:14 https://chromeunboxed.com/googles-end-of-life-policy-for-chromebooks-gets-updated/ http://https://chromeunboxed.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/New-Haswell-Powered-Google-Chromebooks.png Google’s End Of Life Policy For Chromebooks Gets “Updated” https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?hl=en this is the policy as it is right how 6.5 years of support from date of release for everybody. Last year Google extended the End of Life for Chromebooks from 4 years to 5. In my original article I attested to why this policy was, for the most part, irrelevant due to a number of reasons. In hind sight, I failed to consider the fact that Chromebooks have and continue to dominate the educational market and continuing device updates are not only relevant but crucial to many. GOOD NEWS Recently we reported on what appears to be the end of automatic updates for Google’s original Chromebook, the CR-48. While researching I glanced back at the support page for the End of Life policy and stumbled upon some subtle, yet very important changes. First, a name change. The End of Life policy, in recent months, has been renamed the Auto Update policy. This is, in my opinion, a much more fitting name for the policy. When a device ceases to receive updates that doesn’t mean it’s the end of the road. Just recently I saw a user in the Chromebook Central forum who is still using her new 6 year old CR-48 on a daily basis. Which leads me to the next, and more important change to the policy. The Chromebook Auto Update Expiration (AUE) has now been extended to six and a half (6.5) years from date of release. That’s a pretty big jump from five. Extending updates for an extra 18 months can afford administrators the needed time to budget for replacement devices. The Google support page specifically addresses business and education devices and the original consumer support page now forward to the same page. That would lead me to believe the Auto Update policy will apply to consumer devices as well. Keep in mind the dates from the support page are not official unless otherwise notated. This means updates can extend past these dates but are guaranteed to continue to at least the date listed. You can find the details for the Chromebook Auto Update policy as well as Android devices by following the link below. *Update* The second bullet point after the first paragraph of the support page clearly states the AUE policy DOES apply to consumer devices. Google has a problem. Their throw away Chromebooks won't die and won't slow down and the old ones still function very very well because the Internet simply keeps getting better and better. Google Tensor 3 data farms are so strong that update supporting a myrad educational and business chromebooks really isn't any form of issue to Google and gets to be a less important thing as Tensor gets stronger and better year on year on year. 6.5 years of flawless over the net support from date of release now goes across the board to everybody's Chromebook. Having said this, let's talk about ARM Chromebook chipsets and the ARM AI blocks that now go into most all "built on ARM technology" SoCs now-a-days. These AI blocks get used for lots of different things, as they are now "general use AI blocks" that respond to pre-programmed Tensor and other similar software calls. These AI blocks specialize in implementing pre-learned pre-programmed AI calls, but they can be tasked (and are) to learn new things if they are tasked to go learn something. This "requested learning activity" shows up in Android and in ChromeOS as programmed by Google. There is lots of idle time available on a cell phone or a Chromebook to do this sort of background learning, and mostly they are tasked with learning the ins and outs of you the user. Modern Android phones are able to predict your wants and pre-meet some of your needs. Intel can't do any of this. Now about this situation with the EU trying to slow Google down so EU companies can compete better, well, that particular action isn't going to fix anything because the EU companies are so far lost in the past that competition with Google simply isn't ever going to happen. The EU fines are protectionism, pure and simple. And the purest simplest form of EU bureaucratic greed. Trump will have to deal with that, eventually, as China and India are going to put America into the same boat as the EU is currently sitting, within 5-6 years time I would guesstimate. And Trump will treat it like any other expired treaty, especially one sided ones like where the EU isn't keeping up their end of our trade agreements at all. Quantum computing is coming along, not super soon but it is coming. AI is here, but you got to be current with that AI world to take advantage of the power of AI. America leads in AI, but China is moving right along, moving right along. Change, she comes ...... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/25/18 at 22:17:58 This is an Intel success story. Intel has successfully "ran out of production line capacity" and has jacked up the prices of all their processors 50% across the board due to their self-manufactured manufacturing production shortage. Careful management of all press and publication coverage has squelched all the contra-facts about what they are doing right now -- instead the public is greeted everywhere by "the large progress made by Intel on 10nm" and in Intel's total dominance of gaming. Hard facts aside, Intel is making real money right now like never before -- and the stock market is liking that a lot and is rewarding Intel with the complete recovery of their stock price. AMD is being black bagged by Intel in at least 3 different attack patterns, using tilted testing by paid testing houses and paid reviewers to lead a perception attack by the Intel friendly press that AMD is "not right" and "isn't any good". AMD and Lisa Su are getting some un-American flavored tilted press coverage over the old Hygon processor tech deal that is hurting Intel in their international sales of server processors. AMD is squaring off to release the Ryzen 3 processor generation now, which is based off of very current ARM Holdings technology and will come out at 7nm+++ initially this year, using a 5-7nm capable EUV direct burn lithography base process that can go even lower to 5nm next year. This provides Intel with a 3 month competitive deadline that they must respond to, using all their various lying PR techniques, cheating on benchmark comparisons and other black bag attacks. Intel is prepping a 1.3 billion $$$ 12nm tuning job on several of their very best lines, a tuning job that Intel will market as the new 10nm as 12nm is the very best their multi-mask immersion lithography tech can really actually do at full production speeds. Note that the 12nm line reworks will stop these lines dead in the water until the rebuilds are completed, making the production shortages even worse in the short term. This is what Intel is actually referring to as their "10nm future plan that is making such good progress" that they are touting so loudly at the moment. Intel has indeed actually abandoned all efforts at "the true 10nm" as has been reported by independent press reporters who are now getting crudely attacked as "irresponsible reporting" by the paid Intel shill crew. The old "Intel True 10nm" is indeed dead at Intel. Intel knows they will have to leapfrog down to a much better EUV process if they wish to really compete and survive past 2-3 years. And right now due to the big 50% across the board price hike it looks like Intel has the coins right now to go buy them a brand new level of "leapfrog" production equipment, likely something able to do both 7nm and 5nm since ASLM EUV has shown the production ability to perform all the way down to 4nm and 3nm (4nm SoC trial runs have been done at Samsung already and test samples have been run for 3nm Samsung memory modules). Samsung is selling 7nm++ SoCs and 5nm memory right now in limited quantities. Intel no longer sees themselves as a sole lone high tech paragon, a total world tech leader that must always go first, but now instead is letting others go first and letting them pay to work out the hard details before Intel is going to be buying into any more new lithography technology. In the right now real future Intel pathway, Intel is dropping all production runs of all the lower end 14nm low core count chipsets (they say because of the production shortage) but in reality AMD and ARM are going to take these markets over inside 4 months time anyway. Intel is very carefully moving out all their existing warehouse stocks in advance of this low end market loss. Beware the acetone soaked rag and the quick hand re-stencil right now as YOU DO NOT REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY BUYING FROM INTEL RIGHT NOW especially if the ink is still fresh. Also beware "bait and switch" techniques where Intel introduces and benchmarks a new processor product at a given very current lithography level A then ballyhoos the snot out of it, and very shortly after products are being built in volume begins to supply a slightly cheaper variant (same part number with a letter at the end of it) that is actually the older lithography level and sometimes is even the old part itself, simply re-stenciled. Intel has them a top secret real plan to roll their old inventory, and it looks like that plan is working out just fine for them. Intel feels (correctly) that they can recover very quickly from any ill effects just as soon as they have a 7nm-5nm process up and running. I think this "we own the world" thinking is a real item at Intel right now and it will only change over time after AMD shows it is technically superior over a long steady period of time. But Intel won't give them that much time ..... AMD is currently superior in some aspects but is still perceived as inferior due to the Intel PR attacks being successfully waged against AMD. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/27/18 at 03:44:35 https://www.zdnet.com/article/worst-windows-10-version-ever-microsofts-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-october/ http://https://zdnet1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2018/10/25/a5f44115-82ae-4790-8f0a-46f13e52eafb/804c37811e461d9a102d34c63c47b170/windows-10-blue-screen.jpg Worst Windows 10 version ever? Microsoft's terrible, horrible, no good, very bad October The month began almost triumphantly for Microsoft, with the announcement on October 2 that its second Windows 10 release of the year, version 1809, was ready for delivery to the public, right on schedule. Then, just days later, the company took the unprecedented action of pulling the October 2018 Update from its servers while it investigated a serious, data-destroying bug. An embarrassing drip-drip-drip of additional high-profile bug reports has continued all month long. Built-in support for Zip files is not working properly. A keyboard driver caused some HP devices to crash with a Blue Screen of Death. Some system fonts are broken. Intel pushed the wrong audio driver through Windows Update, rendering some systems suddenly silent. Your laptop's display brightness might be arbitrarily reset. And with November fast approaching, the feature update still hasn't been re-released. What went wrong? My ZDNet colleague Mary Jo Foley suggests Microsoft is so focused on new features that it's losing track of reliability and fundamentals. At Ars Technica, Peter Bright argues that the Windows development process is fundamentally flawed. Or maybe there's an even simpler explanation. I suspect a large part of the blame comes down to Microsoft's overreliance on one of the greatest management principles of the last half-century or so: "What gets measured gets done." That's certainly a good guiding principle for any organization, but it also leads to a trap for any manager who doesn't also consider what's not being measured. For Windows 10, a tremendous number of performance and reliability events are measured constantly on every Windows 10 PC. Those streams of diagnostic data come from the Connected User Experience and Telemetry component, aka the Universal Telemetry Client. And there's no doubt that Microsoft is using that telemetry data to improve the fundamentals of Windows 10. In that September 2017 blog post, for example, Microsoft brags that it improved battery life by 17 percent in Microsoft Edge, made boot times 13 percent faster, and saw an 18 percent reduction in users hitting "certain system stability issues." All that data translated into greater reliability, as measured by a dramatically reduced volume of calls to Microsoft's support lines: Our internal customer support teams are reporting significant reductions in call and online support request volumes since the Anniversary Update. During this time, we've seen a healthy decline in monthly support volumes, most notably with installation and troubleshooting update inquiries taking the biggest dip. Microsoft has been focusing intently on stuff it can see in its telemetry dashboard, monitoring metrics like installation success rates, boot times, and number of crashes. On those measures of reliability and performance, Windows 10 is unquestionably better than any of its predecessors. Unfortunately, that focus has been so intense that the company missed what I call "soft errors," where everything looks perfectly fine on the telemetry dashboard and every action returns a success event even when the result is anything but successful. Telemetry is most effective at gathering data to diagnose crashes and hangs. It provides great feedback for developers looking to fine-tune performance of Windows apps and features. It can do a superb job of pinpointing third-party drivers that aren't behaving properly. But telemetry fails miserably at detecting anything that isn't a crash or an unambiguous failure. In theory, those low-volume, high-impact issues should be flagged by members of the Windows Insider Program in the Feedback Hub. And indeed, there were multiple bug reports from members of the Windows Insider Program, over a period of several months, flagging the issue that caused data to be lost during some upgrades. There were also multiple reports that should have caught the Zip file issue before it was released. So why were those reports missed? If you've spent any time in the Feedback Hub, you know that the quality of reporting varies wildly. Hysterical fanboys are not noted for their technical depth or their calm, detail fact driven bug reporting. In one particular case six different fanboy ways of reporting the same exact bug caused the automated report system not to note it as a single major bug at all ...... Ultimately, if Microsoft is going to require most of its non-Enterprise customers to install feature updates twice a year the responsibility to test changes in those features starts in Redmond. The two most serious bugs in this cycle, both of which wound up in a released product, were caused because of a change in the fundamental working of a feature. An experienced software tester could have and should have caught those issues. A good tester knows that testing edge cases matters. A developer rushing to check in code to meet a semi-annual ship deadline is almost certainly not going to test every one of those cases and might not even consider the possibility that customers will use that feature in an unintended way. So, Microsoft has "downsized" all their software Quality Assurance Testers and their entire QA organization. Miracle Max the wise old wizard from the Princess Bride understood the need for Software QA Testers, and he has some choice wise words for those people who pay out good money for software that is built by a company like this ....... http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR2Xb8UaTSMSSujmK6PwJ3Ff1DvDfw0x2TD7VQ_R5E013wIAqmo8g :P .... and for this you are paying like $140 for this level of "non-service"? Smuck, yes, a smuck -- YOU are a smuck ....... smuck smuck idiotic stupid smuck =================================================== At the very tag end of a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad October for Microsoft Microsoft finds that IBM and Red Hat are combining together to clearly take the #1 spot in the Enterprise Linux market. This upsets Microsoft's smoothly progressing plan to quietly ooze in from the side and claim be able to claim dominance in the Linux marketplace. Microsoft now has a MUCH larger competitor to face in that Linux Enterprise marketplace, one that has the chops to make businesses have to make real choices as to which pathway they will follow. We look to see Microsoft try to buy Ubuntu or some other major distro outright in an attempt to regain an edge in the Linux world domination / competition. ================================================== October Update delay is turning into a full rewrite of 2 features https://www.computerworld.com/article/3317560/microsoft-windows/as-windows-10-delay-continues-support-shortfall-grows.html "If Windows-as-a-Service is in fact a hosted service, if general availability is paused, is the support window of 18 or 30 months extended by the number of days for each pause?" asked Wes Miller, an analyst at Directions on Microsoft, in an Oct. 11 tweet. It was unclear if Microsoft will redress the support shortfall, and if so, how. In April, when Microsoft delayed the release of Windows 10 1803 to the month's final day it added time to support. Rather than an Oct. 8, 2019 end of support for Home and Pro - based on an expected April 10, 2018, debut - Microsoft set it to expire Nov. 12, 2019. (That gave Home and Pro customers 18 months and 15 days of support.) Microsoft could extend support for 1809 in the same way. For example, if the firm re-starts distribution on Friday, Nov. 2, it could restate end-of-support for Home and Pro as May 12, 2020, giving users 18 months and 10 days of security patches and bug fixes. When asked today whether Microsoft will add more time to 1809's support, a spokeswoman said the company declined to comment. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO MY DATA ??!! You promised us a data retrieval fix inside of two weeks and now it is November, more than six weeks later !!!! http://https://images.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1422016589ra/13444482.gif |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/30/18 at 06:26:45 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/play-windows-games-linux-steam-play,37990.html http://https://img.purch.com/nxgl7xz4-400x400-jpg/w/195/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS81L0IvODA3NTk5L29yaWdpbmFsL054Z2w3eHo0XzQwMHg0MDAua You Can Play Over 2,600 Windows Games on Linux Via Steam Play by Lucian Armasu October 29, 2018 at 9:26 AM - Source: ProtonDB At the end of August, Valve announced a new version of Steam Play for Linux that included Proton, a WINE fork that made many Windows games, including more recent ones ,such as Witcher 3, Dark Souls 3 and Dishonored, playable on Linux. Just two months later, ProtonDB says there are over 2,600 Windows games that users can play on Linux, and the number is rapidly growing daily. Proton Library Keeps Expanding When Valve Software launched Steam Play with Proton, it made it easier for gamers to play Windows games that hadn’t yet been ported to Linux with the click of a button. Not all games may run perfectly on Linux, but that’s also often the case with Windows 10, which cannot play older games as well as previous versions of Windows did, even under Compatibility Mode. Windows 7 era games have this ongoing issue with Win 10 as Win 10 is always shifting week on week on week due to nightly updates. In only two months, the database of games that work with Proton has increased to over 2,600—more than half of the 5,000 Linux-native games that can be obtained through the Steam store. Before long, there should be more Proton-enabled Windows games that can be played through Steam than Linux-native games that have been officially ported to Linux by the original developers. Valve is Planning Ahead Valve Software has been one of the primary companies encouraging game developers to port their Windows PC games not just to macOS, but also to Linux. This objective only increased in priority after Valve saw some warning signs that Microsoft would one day force all software developers to sell their games through the Microsoft app store and not through third-party stores, such as Valve’s Steam store. We may be a long way off until that happens, if ever. But Microsoft has taken some small steps in that direction in the past few years. Some of these steps include encouraging laptop manufacturers to sell Windows 10 S laptops that only work with Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps, as well as giving users the option (for now) to “secure” their machines by running only UWP apps on their full Windows 10 devices. OK, Microsoft needs to understand they cannot restrict gaming any more. Next, the fanboys need to understand they are getting manipulated and price shagged by both halves of Wintel really really badly right now and that their gaming rigs actually cost 2-3x more than they need to cost. Gamers by and large are on the smarter half of the bell curve, but they do have an active fanboy gaming culture which is being actively manipulated by Intel and Microsoft for the continuing profit of those corporations. Gabe at Steam is taking action to make sure gamers have some ongoing real choices -- kudos for Gabe for this effort. Also, remember that all Steam games go on sale 3-4 times a year at prices up to 75% off for games that are only a few years old. This means if you game and are patient you can get Steam Play games dirt cheap just by shopping for them during the Steam Sales. Next, Steam does update Steam Play games and Steam does fix bugs on their own. A Steam Play game can run better than a boxed game, simply because the drivers are always current and the current bug fixes are integral to the downloaded game. Plus, you always have a dedicated Steam forum right there for EVERY major game, which keeps track of the broken things and gives you a means of asking a question or for getting some help with a sticking spot. Very few games actually come out flaw free when first shipped, and getting a fixed & corrected game with the best drivers is an important advantage. Lastly, waiting some and buying your new games on a big Steam Sale means you get all this neat levels of support for YEARS going out into the future AND you can save an easy 50% or more on the price of the games themselves. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 10/31/18 at 15:54:06 https://wccftech.com/snapdragon-8150-three-cpu-clusters-gold-plus-cores/ https://liliputing.com/2018/10/smartphones-with-folding-screens-are-almost-here.html http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Snapdragon-740x493.jpg Qualcomm 8150 Snapdragon 845 a penny We have been promising two sets of more intense ARM 7nm processor moves on the tablet and laptop side of things for a while now, and the first has partially arrived RIGHT NOW as an early release of the Deimos 7nm generation of ARM processors with the next series, the 5nm Hercules SOC to follow on in 4th quarter 2019. Qualcomm is expected to make an announcement during the month of October, showing its latest and greatest Snapdragon 8150. The chipset will be made on TSMC’s 7nm FinFET architecture, resulting in greater performance and efficiency metrics for future smartphones. Qualcomm could also be implementing a new three CPU-core cluster, delivering when performance is needed while taking advantage of the efficient cores to conserve battery life and tackling the less taxing operations. Qualcomm Could Be Using the Same ARM Deimos Implementation as Huawei Did With Its Kirin 980 SoC Latest Qualcomm SoC Also Uses a Triple CPU Core Cluster and an stronger AI processor block According to Roland Quandt, a long-time technology reporter at the publication WinFuture, he states that just like the Kirin 980, the Snapdragon 8150 will be using a three CPU core cluster design. He was one of the first to leak information that Qualcomm is not going to be using the ‘Snapdragon 855’ name to address its 7nm SoC for smartphones and tablets. Instead, the chipset manufacturer is opting for a new name in order to help avoid confusion between the silicon powering mobile phones and the one powering notebooks. In case you didn’t know, Huawei’s Kirin 980 has adopted a triple CPU-core cluster, with the details given below: Two x 2.60GHz Cortex-A76 cores Two x 1.92GHz Cortex-A76 cores Four x 1.8GHz Cortex-A55 cores According to what the reporter shared, Qualcomm’s Snapdragon 8150 will reportedly feature two ‘Gold Plus’ or ‘Gold+’ cores. We believe that these cores are going to be running at a higher frequency. If the Snapdragon 845’s Gold cores are able to run at a 2.80GHz clock speed (2.96GHz on the ASUS ROG Phone), then we believe that Qualcomm should not run into complications touching the 3.00GHz mark. Both Qualcomm and Huawei and Mediatek are shipping triple core set ARM processor products now and interestingly the screen folding phone/tablet has suddenly become real as well, it is also running on the more powerful Qualcomm 8150 ARM processor. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/flexipai_02.jpg Samsung and LG have been working on smartphones with flexible displays for years now and rumor has it that they’re about to hit the streets. But it looks like they won’t be alone. Evan Blass reports that LG will reveal its folding phone at the Consumer Electronics Show in January. Ice Universe says there will be three foldable phones announced at CES and Mobile World Congress… and that doesn’t include Samsung, which is also expected to launch a folding phone sometime in 2019. But a Chinese company called Rouyu Technology appears to have beat them all to market. It just unveiled the FlexiPai — a smartphone that turns into a tablet when you unfold the 7.8 inch flexible AMOLED display. The Rouyu FlexiPai is also one of the first devices powered by a Qualcomm Snapdragon 8150 processor. It measures 7.6mm (0.3 inches) thick when unfolded, and has a 4.5 inch display (and a large side bezel) when the screen is folded in half. The phone also has dual cameras, with a 16MP primary camera and a 20MP telephoto camera. Prices are expected to range from about $1,290 for a 6GB/128GB model to $1,860 for an 8GB/512GB version when the phone goes up for pre-sale November 1st. We in addition to the folding super phones, we expect the first prototype working models of Win 10 laptops using this Qualcomm 8150 SoC to show up at CES in January. ================================================== We also expect Intel to finalize some of their lower end laptop chipsets to be production run at TSMC simply in order to keep their low end market share losses minimized. This is a required move now since Intel cannot run all of their own crop of little bitty chipsets due to their large ongoing production crunch aggravated by Intel shutting some Intel production lines down temporarily for upgrade renovations. The ever looming potential for Intel to completely lose the still sizable Apple business is also prompting Intel to move into TSMC production of a selected few of the smaller lower power Intel designs ASAP as Intel fears if they do not make a viable improved world class small laptop chipset available to Apple ASAP that Apple will put their own very nice A-12x SoC or their next year's A-13x SoC into their smaller lighter laptops starting in late 2019. And this Apple laptop business ONCE GONE would never come back to Intel, ever. Adding some hard reality to the above paragraph, please realize that Apple's current A-12x SoC is a very very capable processor, fully able to run a iPad Pro up at Intel Core i5 MacBook performance levels. Remember, next year's A-13x SoC will be much much stronger than this year's A-12x. https://liliputing.com/2018/11/qualcomm-snapdragon-8150-apple-a12x-bionic-benchmarks-leaked.html Here’s a run-down of some of the impressively higher scores for the A-12x vs the much lower benchmarks for the Qualcomm 8150 and the Huawei Kirin 980: Geekbench multi-core Apple iPad Pro 12.9 w/Apple A12X Bionic – 18,217 Apple iPhone XS w/Apple A12 Bionic – 11,472 Apple iPhone X w/Apple A11 Bionic – 10,215 Snapdragon 8150 – 10,084 Huawei Mate 20 Pro w/Kirin 980 – 9,712 Google Pixel 3 XL w/Snapdragon 845 – 8,088 Geekbench single-core Apple iPad Pro 12.9 w/Apple A12X Bionic – 5,020 Apple iPhone XS w/Apple A12 Bionic – 4,823 Apple iPhone X w/Apple A11 Bionic – 4,256 Huawei Mate 20 Pro w/Kirin 980 – 3,291 Snapdragon 8150 – 3,181 Google Pixel 3 XL w/Snapdragon 845 – 2,363 ....... and now here is something Intel makes sure you NEVER get to see --- the Geekbench scores of their Intel processors ........ http://browser.geekbench.com/processor-benchmarks real eye opener, huh ??? The only defense Intel had was to add cores, add cores, and add still more cores. =================================================== When this TSMC / Intel production runs move eventually happens, expect to see a whole lot of intentional confusion between what a TSMC run Intel designed chipset can do (at nice tight modern EUV direct burn lithography level) vs what Intel's own domestic production off of their old fuzzy multi-mask lithography can do, especially in extended run time and greater throughput due to better thermal efficiency and less throttling. Intel's PR group won't be able to resist the opportunity to lie very creatively during this period of time, using process data from TSMC and benchmarks from various trial run TSMC chipsets, etc. etc. ...... a lot of confusion and some very muddied water is Intel's best friend during the ARM market share takeover period ...... Lastly, you do realize this latest 9th generation of very modest improvement of Intel chipsets (only 12-15% in reality) comes mostly from better heat sink and fan systems and from adding more cores and from tweeking the processor overclocking and slowdown modes and playing games with the on-board thermal slow down speed sensors. These are some dirty tricks that Intel has copied from the overclocking boys and the oriental cell phone boys. Intel has not made any real progress in Gen 9 processors by doing any real structural or lithographic changes in the Intel chip designs. Plus, some considerable time was spent by Intel "optimizing" drivers to harm AMD and in doing some carefully programmed cheating while taking common benchmark tests. ...... and hiring lying test houses to do the testing for them ...... Intel believes in the old saying "If you ain't cheating some, you really ain't even really trying." |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/03/18 at 20:10:04 Here is a hard statement of a harsh reality ...... My oldest cell phone will cruise the net and put up a page of graphics faster than my wife's old laptop can do it using Windows 10. ...... with a lot of that delay being Microsoft's sorry OS product, as an even much older Linux box outspeeds them all ...... The phone will have the page up before Win 10 even finishes loading up the browser. And yes, if you read somewhere that Android cell phones and Apple iOS phones are "more powerful than the common PC or laptop" now-a-days they are not shooting you a total bunch of balloon juice -- they really are functionally more powerful that 2-4 year old Intel based hardware running Windows 10. Intel is having to stretching out into the Core i7 and Core i9 territory just to stay ahead of the cell phones for a few more years. Core i5 has been totally lapped and passed by the ARM Deimos generation processors now-a-days. Core i7 will get lapped by the ARM Hercules generation coming out late next year ..... This is mostly the "on-going Windows 10 slowdown" problem showing its butt as just by changing the OS to a decent Linux you can get all your hardware's old natural speed back --- speed you never have even seen out of your Wintel machine since it was brand new. It still won't beat a totally new and modern Deimos or Hercules generation ARM processor cell phone, but it will do much better trying at it .... =================================================== https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/11/intel-announces-cascade-lake-xeons-48-cores-and-12-channel-memory-per-socket/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-announces-new-xeon-chips-the-cascade-lake-ap-and-xeon-e-2100/ http://https://zdnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2018/11/02/8cb05bca-d9d4-4eb4-b9be-ae1446457b65/resize/770xauto/91b440b960b6a7cf76cff1f4e1cfe529/cascadelakeap.png Does that thick bar between the two main CPU sections represent a back plane going vertically between two full sized boards filling up two horizontal rack slots by any chance? As we barrel down on the big AMD rack space processor announcement tomorrow Intel is busy doing what Intel does best which is push some pure BS vapor WAY out in advance in an effort to try to steal some of AMD's thunder from their big announcement that takes place tomorrow. Intel is now faithfully promising a DUAL "dual 48 core" Xenon Cascade Lake arrangement will be built to take place late next year (not this year at all) and it is to be built on 14nm yet again. The proposed chipset is proposed for a multi-core rig up requiring two "doubled" CPU sockets, and once you see the layout and the memory slot locations you realize the graphic is TWO current Intel motherboards simply merged together into the same space using a special layout and some new (yet again) custom CPU sockets that mount dual duals of existing Intel processors that Intel has already in their lineup. ANYTHING that is promised for 2 to 2 1/2 years out tends to be quite suspect and this Intel reaction thing would easily cost 3-4x more than any rack space board out there ----- and I personally have to wonder if it will even fit into the existing rack enclosures (unless it takes up two slots and has some sort of back plane going vertically between them). I think this kind of extreme knee jerk reaction from Intel says that AMD is gonna be telling us something pretty durn neat tomorrow ....... something so durn neat that Intel has a hard time even imagining how they could equal it or beat it with any tech that Intel currently owns. ================================================== https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-cascade-lake-xeon-ap-e-2100,38017.html Tom's Hardware editors call BS on Intel's knee jerk preemptive strike on the AMD announcements taking place at noon today, Tuesday Nov 6th. Tom's editors were very carefully frank and fair with their factual approach, but the Tom's readership are just plain sarcastic and BRUTAL, REALLY BRUTAL on Intel down in the comments. The use of the economics term "price/value relationship" is now entering the computing lexicon, mainly driven by popular demand. Intel has abandoned all common sensibilities in their last PR cannon barrage trying to derail the AMD announcement. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/05/18 at 19:56:15 OK, we are being asked by Savage.com list members how to to duplicate a cheap Linux box again. First, don't buy a skinny little Dell box --- I went through two of them in less than 5 years time and the issues were as follows: The power supply fan in the little thin half-height box is noisy as hell. It is a pain in the ass to get a decent video card into them. You have to get a half height video card and that costs a lot of extra money for the video card. Next, the 45-50 watt power supply units in those skinny little Dell units are crap --- they power limit the box to the point it CAN'T ADEQUATELY POWER UP THE HALF HEIGHT VIDEO CARD YOU FINALLY FIND TO BUY. This can cause early Video Card death in these units. ...... thank God for extended warranties on video cards and that I actually bought one this time (2nd try) ...... Next, the overall service life of the video card stressed too durn small power supply Dell box sucks, I never got more than 2 years of solid, no trouble use out of either of them. Part of this was running the power supply up at the raggedy edge of death, the rest was dust and cat fuzz getting into the power supply fan (the only cooling fan the little box has). The thin little half-height boxes are doomed to give you trouble early and then to die on you early, in other words. And the replacement power supply costs as much as the entire refurb half height Dell unit did. Note what I recommend in the picture of my big Linux box below. It is an old full sized Engineering workstation with a FULL SIZED CASE AND POWER SUPPLY that can mount a full size video card (much much cheaper to buy on sale than a half height card with anywhere near modern specs). Also note the fan in the full sized box is huge and totally quiet, and by putting the poly fabric air filter all around the front air vents I stopped the dust and cat fuzz from getting into the unit and screwing up the power supply and fan. Lastly, you are paying way too much for the half height unit with the sorry power supply. You are spending nearly twice as much as buying them from Ebay sources or best yet, directly from a large refurb house who is peddling off their odds and ends at Black Friday time really really cheap. Specs on an Engineering Workstation even back them were pretty good, 8 gigs of memory, a decent sized hard drive, a good Intel Core 2 duo chipset and a 450 watt power supply. I bought this unit on Black Friday sale for $79 with no OS supplied. I used to take it apart to blow out the dust once a year, but since I put the air filter bra on it that isn't needed any longer. Reminder, buying a decent modern video card is important ...... most of what we consider response speed is painting the web pages on your screen. A modern video card has enough guts to do this VERY quickly and you will find that the computer CPU isn't as important as you thought it was. Next, only buy stuff that has Linux drivers for it GOOD PROVEN drivers that are included inside the Linux kernel itself. This maximizes the speed of both the processing unit and the video system. This step requires you to know and understand what is "Intel inside" and what video processor you are planning on using. Hint, Nvidia tends to be supported much much later, much much much much much later than AMD / Radeon graphics cards and the AMD / Radeon card is much cheaper to buy as well. =================================================== This is intended as an example of the sorts of people you need to be dealing with. They have better machines off in the corner that will get sold on Black Friday for really really cheap, just to clear them out. Pick a 3 ghz Core 2 duo or better machine and TALK TO THE PEOPLE --- they can max out the systems memory for very very cheap as they pull the memory sticks from the dead machines they take in. Buy a full sized Dell box preferably an Engineering workstation model as they have the very best specs. https://discountcomputerdepot.com/todays-top-deals-save-big/desktop-deals/fast-dell-optiplex-windows-10-desktop-computer-tower-c2d-4gb-dvd-wifi-17-lcd/ THIS IS FOR EXAMPLE ONLY, it still costs too too much. You are paying $45 for a Win 10 license you won't use and this particular offer isn't but for 4 gigs of systems memory and it isn't an Engineering workstation grade device at all. Scrounge, look diligently at several new sources every day and around Black Friday your Linux box will come to you. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/06/18 at 04:25:33 https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-2-ryzen-epyc-cpus-higher-than-expected-ipc-clocks/ http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/AMD-Ryzen-2000-Zen_4-1030x452.jpg AMD Zen 2 Frequency and IPC Higher Than Expected On Early Engineering Samples, Possible Preview Tomorrow at Next Horizon Event Tomorrow, AMD is going to talk a lot about their 7nm products which includes both CPUs and GPUs. While GPU talk would be mostly centered around Vega 20 with a possible look at AMD’s NAVI GPU which is aimed for launch sometime in 2019, the CPU talk would go around the AMD ZEN 2 CPU architecture. The event will start at 12 AM (Eastern Time) on 6th November, 2018. AMD’s Zen 2 architecture has long been in the works. AMD’s design team started working on Zen 2 right after the finished working on the first Zen architecture. We know that refinements were made to the original architecture and we got the new Zen+ design but the majority of the team was then working on completing the design for Zen 2. In February of this year, it was reported that AMD had finished designing the chip architecture and would be available for sampling later this year with a range of products available starting 2019. In the server market, we will continue to work closely with major cloud vendors and OEMs to ramp their first generation EPYC-based systems while also completing key development milestones on our next generation Zen 2 based server platforms. Our Zen 2 design is now complete and we will be sampling to our customers later this year. From the above quote, you can tell that the priority market for Zen 2 as previously disclosed, is the corporate sector. AMD is aiming servers first with Zen 2 and they want to really to push their new chip architecture against Intel’s Xeon platform which has been taking a major hit since EPYC made an entrance to the server market. The other products that we will see based around the 7nm Zen 2 architecture would be Ryzen and Ryzen Threadripper CPUs. These are the consumer mainstream and high-performance desktop CPU segments which have also been a tremendous uplift for AMD in recent years. AMD Zen 2 – More Than Just a Frequency / IPC Bump Most people think that Zen 2 is nothing more than a generational Frequency / IPC bump. That is a very wrong assumption as Zen 2 as an architecture is entirely overhauled. The jump from Zen to Zen+ was one incremental step, the jump from Zen+ to Zen 2 aims to be a revolutionary step. Yes, the rumors claim that the IPC improvement and higher clock speeds are there. They also mention that those are higher than expected on very early engineering samples. This shows that final retail samples could be more than 15% IPC jump versus what we have been hearing for a while. But it doesn’t end here. Zen 2 is also aiming to fix and improve upon the memory controller by reducing the memory delay and allowing better support for higher frequency, lower latency memory. This is great considering the consumer PCs already have access to fast memory but it is also crucial for the server market, which currently relies on higher bandwidth access directly from the system memory. EPYC ‘Naples’ disrupted the performance charts with stellar bandwidth increases and reducing delay could get it up to speed with competitive Xeon platforms too. The other thing being talked about is AVX support. It is said that Zen 2 won’t support AVX-512 but will definitely get AVX performance enhancement compared to what Zen 1 can do right now. The clock speeds also get a huge jump, thanks to both, the TSMC 7nm node and revamped architecture design and one can also expect refined boost frequencies, allowing for higher XFR and Precision Boost limits. It’s also said that we might get our first performance or early preview of the Ryzen 3000 series CPUs at tomorrow’s event, considering the Ryzen 2000 series has been out for a while and now available at major discounts. The launch for the new Ryzen family would still be aiming an early 2019 release window but getting an early look for the next-gen Ryzen desktop CPU family would really be interesting for all. Once again, these are just rumors but they actually fit in with what we have been hearing, still, make sure you tune in to tomorrow’s event. For now, let us know your own thoughts of the 7nm Zen 2 architecture. Some of this dovetails very neatly with Intel's knee jerk reaction from yesterday. I fear that the Fat Lady may well be in attendance at the AMD presentation and she might get called upon to sing a little impromptu aura just for Intel's deeply wounded rack space products ..... And I find it immensely amusing that this leak predicts (off the slides you have to go view from the wccftech.com web posting at the top of the page as it wouldn't copy over to the Yabb Savage.com board) that AMD has the designs ready and AMD will drop down to 5nm in the same time frame as Intel's promised vapor BS dual dual (two boards spliced together ??) at 14nm, a BOGUS response that was knee jerked out by Intel's Public Relations yesterday. =================================================== https://liliputing.com/2018/11/amd-to-launch-7nm-chips-based-on-zen-2-architecture-in-2019.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/epyc-680x454.jpg AMD, the chip maker, says it will bring a significant boost in performance (up to 52 percent more instructions per cycle and twice the throughput) and a reduction in power consumption. The new architecture also supports fully encrypting data as it’s transferred to memory. The company is also introducing a modular design — Rome processors will feature four to eight 7nm “chiplets” with the CPU cores combined with a 14nm “I/O die” featuring the memory controller. This is important for improving yields as a single error causes scrapping of Intel designs, but losing a chiplet in an AMD processor is no big thing compared to the huge cost to Intel to lose the whole shebang because of a single flaw. AMAZON Data Centers did the pilot prove out testing, and AMAZON says they will buy AMD going forward based on "improved value and performance characteristics". ::) ....... sorry Intel, you just lost another big 'un ........ If you think this AMD processor tech resembles ARM DynamIQ multi-core SoC technology, that is because IT IS ARM DynamIQ multi-core SoC technology. AMD can add more chiplets at will and just change the wire up paths to the central I/O die on the substrate, knowing it can support many many chiplets using the DynamIQ backbone technology. Expandable very low cost 7nm separate chiplets that can roll out of the EUV lithography process at a very high yield rate. Note that different lithography can be used, 14nm is used in the central I/O because that DynamIQ backbone chipset carries a bunch of current and it doesn't need the fine detail of a logic or a memory chip. Next year, the drop down to 5nm chiplets will be a relative easy do for AMD ...... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/06/18 at 23:47:08 PREDICTION TIME: Intel will begin to copy the best ARM based features of AMD processors and will contract with TSMC to run their own design of chiplets for them at 7nm and 5nm. Remember please that Intel is an ARM Technologies design level license holder and has been such for over 5 years now. This was so they could know what ARM was doing and to legally copy certain selected ARM tricks, but now Intel will have to USE the whole DynamIQ technology because Intel is now so far behind the technology curve in so many aspects. Intel will survive following this pathway, but they will see increasing levels of competition as they are out on the flat level playing field scrimmaging with all the Hockey Stick guys now. So, why is DynamIQ tech becoming so desirable? https://www.anandtech.com/show/13560/amd-unveils-chiplet-design-approach-7nm-zen-2-cores-meets-14-nm-io-die http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13560/amd-chiplet-678_678x452.png AMD on Tuesday disclosed some additional details about its upcoming codenamed Rome processor based on its Zen 2 microarchitecture. As it turns out, the company will use a new design approach with its next-generation EPYC CPUs that will involve CPU ‘chiplets’ made using TSMC’s 7 nm manufacturing technology as well as an I/O die made using a 14 nm fabrication process. AMD’s chiplet design approach is an evolution of the company’s modular design it introduced with the original EPYC processors featuring its Zen microarchitecture. While the currently available processors use up to four Zen CPU modules, the upcoming EPYC chips will include multiple Zen 2 CPU modules (which AMD now calls ‘chiplets’) as well as an I/O die made using a mature 14 nm process technology. The I/O die will feature Infinity Fabrics to connect chiplets as well as eight DDR DRAM interfaces. Since the memory controller will now be located inside the I/O die, all CPU chiplets will have a more equal memory access latency than today’s CPU modules. Meanwhile, AMD does not list PCIe inside the I/O die, so each CPU chiplet will have its own PCIe lanes. Separating CPU chiplets from the I/O die has its advantages because it enables AMD to make the CPU chiplets smaller as physical interfaces (such as DRAM and Infinity Fabric) do not scale that well with shrinks of process technology. Therefore, instead of making CPU chiplets bigger and more expensive to manufacture, AMD decided to incorporate DRAM and some other I/O into a separate chip. Besides lower costs, the added benefit that AMD is going to enjoy with its 7 nm chiplets is ability to easier bin new chips for needed clocks and power, which is something that is hard to estimate in case of servers. http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13560/amd-chiplet-BG_575px.png =================================================== https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2018/07/20/amds-zen-2-processors-to-get-16-cores-in-2019-does-intel-have-an-answer/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2018/11/06/amds-7nm-zen-2-will-worry-intel-by-doubling-cpu-core-counts/ https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-zen-two-design-supports-sixteen-cpu-cores/ Forbes and others are touting the core count and processor type presentation that given out yesterday by AMD. Not only are the new AMD chiplets going to be more powerful and more efficient at 7nm, but there are going to be like 16 of those chiplets in a normal AMD consumer level processor next year. :o The resulting die substrate physical size will be the same exact physical size as the current 12nm chipset substrate and will keep the same pin out pattern, but it will hold a lot more of the smaller, faster, more efficient 7mn chiplets on the die set. It will fit the same socket still (AMD is honoring its commitment to keep the AM4 socket through 2020) and that offers up some intriguing thoughts of more AMD motherboard changeless upgrades to existing older AMD machines. Forbes asks the 10 cent question --- What does Intel have to offer against this AMD Ryzen 2000 innovation to be rolled out at CES in January? Or to the Ryzen 3000 level the year after that? Or the Ryzen 4000 in the year following that? Is Forbes calling for the Fat Lady to come out and sing for Intel ????? Mebbe, but it sends a clear signal that if Intel has any sort of rabbit in their hat that it is about time to pull that little bunny up and use it ....... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 11/07/18 at 09:52:36 "Scrounge, look diligently at several new sources every day and around Black Friday your Linux box will come to you." I am interested in replicating specifically the computer you use now, hardware and software. Is it possible to get that information from you, or if possible you could make a list of what you would like to upgrade to, I would have those parts shipped to you in exchange for the machine in your possession now, minus your current hard drive of course. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/07/18 at 22:18:25 4464666E7364010 wrote:
Let's see here, we have an offer in essence to replace/upgrade my machine if I ship you the old one (less hard drive and data). I am interested, but my wife says no, that is now her machine and she likes it right where it is. It doesn't break all the time and it isn't always updating itself when she goes to use it. I have no attachment my old hardware, but I do like the wife a whole lot and have learned that keeping her happy makes for a better life for me and all the rest of the pets. Now all the little fuzzy guys, they all say they like their big black belly warmer box and the weather is turning cold now and they take turns sleeping on top of the Big Black Box. That white poly air filter bra around the front of the box is a needed, VERY NECESSARY thing in my house right now as the girls are all shedding into their winter coats ...... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 11/08/18 at 06:28:18 Understood. Is there any way to get the part information of the internals from you? GPU, CPU, Motherboard etc? |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/08/18 at 08:06:05 The video card is quite dated now ...... https://www.ebay.com/i/163345016546?chn=ps The Dell box itself is quite dated too ....... https://www.cnet.com/products/dell-optiplex-760-core-2-duo-e8400-3-ghz-4645093/specs/ All the memory slots on the motherboard and on the video card are completely filled with memory. Boot application boot speed from off to Mint desktop is 5 seconds (most of this is waiting for a pretty Samsung splash screen effect that is hiding a Samsung Bios cranking up in the monitor). Mint Desktop to Cafe menu screen is 1 second (I get routed through the selected home page which is my wife's college email account screen, so most of this one second and the extra click wouldn't be here if it was just me using the machine). Picking the thread you want and getting it going is 1 second So, I guess my current "response speed" on the old hardware is on the order of 7 seconds from crank up to reading/typing in the thread. The most strenuous part of "booting" according to the systems monitor was cranking up the screen saver app. to generate then save the systems report graphically. Really, apart from that it is just a very old Engineering grade full sized Dell machine from 14-16 years ago. Certainly nothing special in today's terms. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/08/18 at 19:56:37 https://www.techspot.com/news/77313-do-need-re-review-core-i9-9900k.html Do we all need to re-review the Core i9-9900K? http://https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1730/images/2018-10-19-image-3.jpg Read it if you want to, but the gist is that Intel has lied to everybody again and has gotten caught at it again. EXTREME THERMAL THROTTLING is the overt sin and the final real production 2019 Core i9-9900K has got itself a really bad case of of overheating and gross throttling when run at Intel "suggestions". This is the same top of the line chipset that got Macbooks using last years chipset put into freezers which was what was finally required to finally get the advertised performance numbers. Lots of egg on the faces of the early reviewers that got sucked into this one yet again --- and they are talking on line about that particular situation quite a bit right now too. If you can't trust the Intel early evaluation units not to be cherry picked & tweeked to hide some really big known problems, how can you do these early reviews at all? Reviewers are using the shill word again, aimed at each other no less. Honest reviewers are being used as inadvertent shills by Intel ...... and they do not like that at all, not one little bit. Or, more correctly they do no care to be called out by their peers so publicly. ...... Intel, if I am your shill, you need to be PAYING me you stupid arseholes ....... >:( ==================================================== https://www.techspot.com/review/1744-core-i9-9900k-round-two/ Techspot leads the pack in redoing their "early review" that were done initially using Intel early review units specially prepped for reviewers. Today we're revisiting our original Core i9-9900K review and updating it with 95 watt TDP limited results, basically results based on the official Intel specification and not at Intel's "suggested usage". For better context about this please read our opinion article from earlier this week titled “Do We Need to Re-Review the Core i9-9900K?”. The short version of this is that motherboard makers are currently getting blamed for running the 9900K out of spec, when in reality we strongly believe it’s Intel who’s cheating on their own spec and pushing all their board partners to run the 9900K at the default clock multiplier table, rather than at the official power spec. Whatever the case, out of the box the 9900K isn’t running at the Intel spec, it’s essentially being overclocked by Intel and this has caused power and thermal results to go through the roof. So in today’s re-test we'll be showing how the Core i9-9900K performs when adhering to the Intel specification and comparing that data to the current out of the box experience. It doesn’t really matter where you stand on this, having a resource that shows how these configurations compare under the same test conditions is useful information in our opinion. For the unlimited testing the MSI MEG Z390 Godlike has been used and for the 95-watt limited testing I used the Asus ROG Maximus XI Hero, loaded up the "xtreme" memory profile and opted to use the Intel settings which enforces the 95-watt TDP. So let’s get into the results... Benchmarks First up let’s look at the Cinebench R15 multi-threaded scores. Previously we found the 9900K breaking the 2000 pt barrier, however with the TDP limit in place the score is reduced by 14% down to 1763 pts and that places it roughly on par with the Core i7-7820X and crucial, meant it was a few percent slower than the 2700X. Already you might be getting a sense of why Intel was happy for board partners to run out of spec. http://https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1744/bench/Cinebench.png http://htps://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1744/bench/Blender_Short.png http://https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1744/bench/Blender_Long.png http://https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1744/bench/Corona.png http://https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1744/bench/Vray.png Let me put a cap on it for you ----- AMD and Intel are really about equal, all things considered when they are clocked the same way (either both clocked normally or both overclocked). The only thing Intel does better is to CHEAT better on setting up early review units, making misleading "technical suggestions" for the tests and on writing the base benchmarks themselves ..... You certainly should not be overclocking the Intel processor and not overclocking the AMD processor and calling it a proper technical benchmark review. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/09/18 at 11:33:56 https://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/millions-of-pcs-running-windows-10s-october-update-havent-received-critical-fixes/ https://thebreakingnewsheadlines.com/blog/windows-as-a-service-fail-microsoft-keeps-customers-in-the-dark/ http://wcontest.com/2018/11/09/windows-as-a-service-fail-microsoft-keeps-customers-in-the-dark/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-as-a-service-fail-microsoft-keeps-customers-in-the-dark-as-it-struggles/ http://https://zdnet2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2018/11/09/0017767a-eaa3-459c-a144-a1b0fa7700cb/resize/770xauto/ad202a40ed5df360198e7e98a5ebb674/information-booth-closed.jpg There is a tremendous amount of anger and other stuff out there on this issue. MS blew it, blew it again, then failed to make the corrections they promised and has just plain gone dark about the whole thing now, mebbe thinking maybe it would all go away if they ignored it long enough. Issue right now is that the folks HURT by these bugs are being left out to dry by MS with no fix to get their data back. https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-as-a-service-fail-microsoft-keeps-customers-in-the-dark-as-it-struggles/ Open the zdnet.com link directly above and watch the short video right at the top -- please realize that Ed Bott and Mary Jo Foley constitute Mr. and Mrs, Windows for most of the rest of us and for them to be saying all this publicly this means MS needs to CHANGE what they are doing and how they are going about doing it ..... like right now. MS has NOT YET fixed the Oct 2 issues ---- there has been no data recovery for all the files that were trashed by MS's bi-annual update and there have been NO COMMUNICATIONS concerning what MS is doing to fix their issues. What has become clear is all these issues were KNOWN and REPORTED and MS decided to push the trash out anyway ...... Listening to Mary Jo and Ed discussing MS's known existing plans to use home users as a final testing ring before giving the stuff over to business users simply means this was MS's intention ---- to KNOWINGLY give you unfixed buggy stuff and let it fail for you (the individual home end users) so they can tally up statistics before they even try to fix it. To push defective updates anyway when they KNEW about the issues should be actionable in court for a class action lawsuit. For Ed and Mary Jo (boss Larry too) to all say you were negligent is pretty telling, Micky me boy. ================================================== Mickey isn't done screwing up for this week. https://boingboing.net/2018/11/08/pros-conned.html http://https://i0.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Blue-Wallpaper-Windows-10-HD-2880x1800-1.jpg?w=620&ssl=1 If you paid extra for Windows 10 "Pro," Microsoft had an unpleasant surprise for you: a misconfiguration in the company's license server resulted in the oldest Win 10 Pro installs (that is, those owned by Microsoft's earliest adopting top paying Win Pro customers) being downgraded to Windows 10 Home, with users' screens plastered with watermarks chiding them for not paying for their licenses (this went over really great for everyone who was standing in front of an audience giving a presentation, apparently). After a period of initial confusion, Microsoft finally admitted something was broken. ::) yeah, Microsoft is what is broken :P |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/09/18 at 13:32:24 https://www.gsmarena.com/kirin_990_to_be_built_by_tsmc_7nm_process-news-34141.php http://https://cdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/news/18/08/hisilicon-kirin-980-announced/-728w2/gsmarena_003.jpg Huawei introduced the Kirin 980 chipset with AI features, and 1.4 Gbps download speeds in September. The platform made its way to the Mate 20 series and is likely to appear in the next-gen Huawei P flagships. Although the SoC is still new, the Chinese company is already working on the follow-up, and according to industry sources, preparations for Kirin 990 has already begun. Reports from China claim TSMC will build the chipset on the 7nm lithography process. Industry insiders claim the subsidiary manufacturer HiSilicon has invested around CNY200 million in research and development, which translates to over $28 million/€25 million. The Kirin 980 was the first chipset built on the TSMC 7nm lithography process with the first Cortex-A76 cores. While Kirin 990 will have a similar architecture, including the number of transistors and power consumption rates, it will have something to be advertised as a first - the Balong 5000 modem, certified for 5G speeds. Production should begin in the first quarter of 2019 and that’s when we expect more detailed info to emerge OK, China runs a slightly different cell tower system, one built by Huawei using their own standards (which are not compatible with USA cell tower system standards, but are not really strongly less capable). Given that differences exist, the fact that Huawei and company may have ripped off the Qualcomm 5G system technology and yet still have actually beaten the USA carriers to widespread 5G in their own China market is something that is worth noting. Soon, it will not be a question of ripping off anybody else, Huawei will soon have achieved their own technical innovations and be moving on separately, making their very own technical progress. ....... change, she keeps right on coming, don't she ? |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/09/18 at 23:56:30 Late night musings ....... Intel and Microsoft Intel is in a sweet spot right now, they have manipulated their market into getting a PREMIUM price tag on every sorry old-style chipset they make. They are rolling in liquid cash right now and now get to pick which pathway into the future they take. Pick good guys, because the next two years sees your competition equal and beat your performance at half the cost --- you will be rolling in ashes if you don't pick a good path going forward. I hope you can find that path soon because you are sorta settling down real low in the water right now ..... ================================================== Microsoft has lost their way again. This time due to internal cost cutting and complete indifference/arrogance toward their final ring beta testers (consumer customers). I need to remind myself AGAIN about what us great American consumer users really are, the final ring of beta testers for all the new MS features so that after a final FULL YEAR of our painful squealing beta testing and endless midnight corrections Mickey's stuff will be finally be judged to be good enough to be put into the business channel for Mickey's real customers, the enterprise users. Call the SPCA, puppy boys ...... http://https://i0.wp.com/holistapet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/cbd-for-dog-diarrhea-sad-doggy.jpg?w=980&ssl=1 Your master spanks you for pooing on the carpet but he still feeds you smelly wormy moldy puppy food on purpose so he can collect his data on how frequently and exactly how much you crap for each cause. Mickey simply doesn't care if your puppy belly hurts really really badly, repeatedly ....... =================================================== https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-as-a-service-fail-microsoft-keeps-customers-in-the-dark-as-it-struggles/ But after a terrible October, Microsoft's Windows 10 problems continued in November. Yesterday, an unknown number of devices running Windows 10 suddenly lost their activation status; the owners of those devices were told that they no longer had a valid digital license and were running a "non-genuine copy of Windows." Hey, I had that trick actually happen to me a while ago. In my instance the India Indian MS help personnel were NOT HELPFUL AT ALL and I had to go get a Shift Supervisor at MS Service USA to actually try to help me, partially, over the next 2 days. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/11/18 at 05:21:15 https://semiaccurate.com/2018/11/09/amds-rome-is-indeed-a-monster/ AMD’s Rome is indeed a monster Some details, some performance claims, and more http://https://semiaccurate.com/assets/uploads/2018/11/AMD_Rome_closeup-617x591.jpg So in the end the numbers for Rome are still a bit unclear. The core count doubled, the FP resources have doubled, the internal data paths have doubled, and lots of other detail changes. The memory channels have stayed the same though and so for anything but trivial benchmarks, you are unlikely to get a 2x increase in performance. But you will get well above 70% more performance out of a Rome which puts it significantly ahead of Intel’s Ice Lake architecture which comes more than a year later. Better yet AMD has PCIe4 on Rome, something Intel won’t have until mid-2020. AMD is on track to deliver Rome in Q2 of 2019. When SemiAccurate said it was a monster, we weren’t kidding, Intel has nothing to answer this with and won’t until 2022. By then AMD will have two more generations out, assuming both sides execute their roadmaps perfectly. Until then, Intel has no chance in servers and they know it. It is fitting, that Charlie Demerjian is back to say clearly he was not joking, he wasn't trolling, that his internal sources are accurate and that all the Intel shills who attacked him in blogs really did not earn their money that Intel pays them to be Intel's attack Dobermans. Charlie is flat out calling for the Fat Lady to come out to sing as old style Intel is "game over" in servers inside 4 months time and Intel has no chance to recover any time in the foreseeable future if they stick to any of the published Intel product roadmaps. Charlie points out that Intel doesn't even supposedly make any move to even try to compete against what is in the picture above according to their own published timeline until 4 years have passed (and by that time AMD will be on 5nm lithography chiplets and actually working on 3nm stuff). I have to disagree with you, Charlie, Intel has the mega bucks to simply design and create ARM DyamIQ chiplets of their very own chiplet design ASAP and to have TSMC to run them for Intel at 7nm and to do the exact same thing AMD has done. They have the ARM design license to do so already (yep, they do). And they have full access to the ARM Holdings base chiplet design as well ..... Intel has shown the ability to MOVE VERY QUICKLY when the pain gets bad enough, and being dropped into an active volcano will get the big lizard to moving along right promptly and at a pretty durn good rate of speed too ....... Intel has one (1) each of the most modern ASML 7-5-3nm lithography cells already installed in their R&D facility. Intel could get ASML to come in and set one (1) full production line for them so they could make their own design of chiplets in house at Intel. One full production line can make a whale of a lot of chiplets when an ASML full production line is run 24 hours a day 7 days a week. That same chiplet could do double duty as their initial Intel consumer duty chiplet if they were smart about it. AMD was smart enough to do that (and they are very busy right now doing just that). BTW, Intel has announced that all new processors will be based off their new form of chiplet design system, that Cascade Lake will be a chiplet design with 2-4 chiplets. So Charlie was right, Intel had indeed given up on "Intel 10nm" completely and is seeking out a new method of chipbuilding entirely. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/12/18 at 09:05:38 https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/10/09/updated-version-of-windows-10-october-2018-update-released-to-windows-insiders/ Updated version of Windows 10 October 2018 Update released to Windows Insiders By John Cable / Director of Program Management, Windows Servicing and Delivery Last week (5 weeks ago to now) we paused the rollout of the Windows 10 October 2018 Update (version 1809) for all users as we investigated isolated reports of users missing files after updating. Given the serious nature of any data loss, we took the added precaution of pulling all 1809 media across all channels, including Windows Server 2019 and IoT equivalents. We intentionally start each feature update rollout slowly, closely monitoring feedback before offering the update more broadly. In this case the update was only available to those who manually clicked on “check for updates” in Windows settings. At just two days into the rollout when we paused, the number of customers taking the October 2018 Update was limited. While the reports of actual data loss are few (one one-hundredth of one percent of version 1809 installs), any data loss is serious. We have fully investigated all reports of data loss, identified and fixed all known issues in the update, and conducted internal validation. Also, Microsoft Support and our retail stores customer service personnel are available at no charge to help customers. More details are available below. Today we take the next step towards the re-release of the Windows 10 October 2018 Update by providing the updated version to our Windows Insider community. We will carefully study the results, feedback, and diagnostic data from our Insiders before taking additional steps towards re-releasing more broadly. More Information Prior to re-releasing the October 2018 Update our engineering investigation determined that a very small number of users lost files during the October 2018 Update. This occurred if Known Folder Redirection (KFR) had been previously enabled, but files remain in the original “old” folder location vs being moved to the new, redirected location. KFR is the process of redirecting the known folders of Windows including Desktop, Documents, Pictures, Screenshots, Videos, Camera Roll, etc. from the default folder location, c:\users\username\<folder name>, to a new folder location. In previous feedback from the Windows 10 April 2018 Update, users with KFR reported an extra, empty copy of Known Folders on their device. Based on feedback from users, we introduced code in the October 2018 Update to remove these empty, duplicate known folders. That change, combined with another change to the update construction sequence, resulted in the deletion of the original “old” folder locations and their content, leaving only the new “active” folder intact. Accordingly, below are the issues we have identified and fixed: Using KFR the user redirected a known folder to a different drive. For example, suppose you ran out of space on your C drive. You want to save some files separate from your primary folder, so you add another drive to your system for these. You create “D:\documents” and change the location of the files known folder from the original “old” location c:\users\username\documents to D:\documents. In some cases, if the contents of c:\users\username\documents were not moved to D:\documents, then a user could also encounter this issue. When the October 2018 Update was installed the original “old” folder was deleted including the files in that folder (in this example c:\users\username\documents would be deleted; d:\documents, the new location, would be preserved). The user configured one or more of their Known Folders (Desktop, Documents, Pictures, Screenshots, Videos, Camera Roll, etc.) to be redirected (KFR) to another folder on OneDrive. For example, the user changed the location property of the documents folder from c:\users\username\documents to another folder. During this process the system prompts the user and asks if they would like to move the files to the new location. If the files were not moved and the October 2018 Update is installed the original “old” folder was deleted including the files in that folder. The user used an early version of the OneDrive client and used the OneDrive settings to turn on the Auto save feature. This feature turned on KFR for the Documents and/or Pictures folders based on the user’s choice but did not move the existing files from the original “old” location to the new location. For example, if a user turned on Auto Save for pictures the location of the Pictures folder would be changed from c:\users\username\pictures to c:\users\username\onedrive\pictures, but no files would be moved. The current version of this feature moves the files. If the files were not moved and the October 2018 Update was installed the original “old” folder was deleted including the files in that folder (in this example c:\users\username\pictures would be deleted; c:\users\username\onedrive\pictures, the new location, would be preserved). We have fully investigated these issues and developed solutions that resolve all three of these scenarios, so the “original” old folder location and its contents remain intact. Today, we also released some other fixes in the monthly update for customers who have already taken the Windows 10 October 2018 Update. More details are available in KB 4464330. Support for affected users To help our customers that may be impacted by this issue, Microsoft Support is assisting customers and trying to recover data for users who may have experienced related data loss. Microsoft retail stores support services also offer this same level of support in-store. While we cannot guarantee the outcome of any file recovery work, if you have manually checked for updates and believe you have an issue with missing files, please minimize your use of the affected device and contact us directly at +1-800-MICROSOFT or find a local number in your area. For more information, please refer to our Windows 10 update history page (KB article), which we are updating with new information as it is available. Next Steps To help us better detect issues like this, today we have enabled a new feature in the Windows Insider Feedback Hub. We have added an ability for users to also provide an indication of impact and severity when filing User Initiated Feedback. We expect this will allow us to better monitor the most impactful issues even when feedback volume is low. We will continue to closely monitor the update and all related feedback and diagnostic data from our Windows Insider community with the utmost vigilance. Once we have confirmation that there is no further impact we will move towards an official re-release of the Windows 10 October 2018 Update. We apologize for any impact these issues may have had on any of our customers. We are committed to learning from this experience and improving our processes and notification systems to help ensure our customers have a positive experience with our update process. OK, MS is rolling the fixed update out through the full "3 trial rings of validation" process, so you won't see it for a while until the first 3 rings are gone through all over again. It is also clear that there is no recovering the data lost due to this bug, the data is just plain gone forever. Microsoft owns its error now and is using their full 3 rings of validation to check out the corrected update out again before releasing it. This time I bet they pay attention to ALL the comments, thought ...... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 11/13/18 at 08:09:53 FYI this: This time I bet they pay attention to ALL the comments, thought ...... is unreadable on anything but a larger desktop screen. I never tried to read your posts until today and that's some small red text to see on a tablet or phone. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/13/18 at 08:58:08 ::) I never tried to read your posts until today ....... Well, maybe I shouldn't be trying to reply to your questions since you don't read the answers or the posts themselves. =================================================== https://liliputing.com/2018/11/microsoft-re-releases-the-windows-10-october-2018-update.html Microsoft has re-released the October upgrade but it is putting the re-release through the entire 3 ring testing process completely all over again. Mickey sez they have gotten better and better at Win 10 with lower and lower "screwing up" rates since they put Win 10 out the very first time ..... This may be true, but nobody in FOSS Linux has to pull back entire updates, repeatedly, ever. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/incident-rate-680x156.jpg For obvious reasons, Microsoft is taking a more cautious approach to this rollout. The company says the update will be made available through Windows Update “when data shows your device is ready and you will have a great experience.” In other words, if Microsoft’s diagnostic data suggests that there’s something special about your PC configuration that could lead to problems such as incompatible applications, the update won’t be automatically installed. Of course, that only helps you avoid known Win 10 issues. If you’re one of the unlucky few with an unusual setup that Microsoft hasn’t ever tested, you could still be a guinea pig. But the company is also offering more transparency about how it tests each update before a wide rollout — and MS released a graphic suggesting that even though the Windows 10 October 2018 Update had a potentially show-stopping bug that caused some users to lose data, the overall number of issues related to major Windows updates has been trending downward for years. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/13/18 at 11:51:31 0A2A28203D2A4F0 wrote:
You custom edited in a 6 font size in your response, which is indeed unreadable. The original was a 9 font size, which is readable on just about all full sized monitors. A little more care when responding is indicated least you mis-apply things accidentally. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 11/13/18 at 15:33:27 "Well, maybe I shouldn't be trying to reply to your questions since you don't read the answers or the posts themselves" Why does it matter if I read them or listen to them? To clarify regarding font size I was not attempting to replicate exactly the size as much as indicate that smaller red font if being read visually on a non-desktop computer screen or larger has to be independently zoomed in on to be seen. Given that many people use phones to utilize website content I wanted to make you aware. Perhaps the following is a better clarification: The red smaller type font is hard to read on mobile devices. As an example I will post smaller red font that may or may not be the exact size, please consider it a representation of font size, the following is for example only: Small red font sample, not to scale. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/14/18 at 18:13:28 7050525A4750350 wrote:
Since you are quoting, the correct size will come right along for the ride, unless you changed it on purpose to something smaller. The original font size. Small red font sample. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 11/14/18 at 19:36:46 I spoke what you wrote and it was typed into the screen, I selected the smallest font, on purpose, and turned it red for presentation purposes. I don't know how to go back and see what your selected font size is without making multiple font size comparisons, again I was presenting it as representation only, not as a duplicate. All I was trying to say is that font that is red in the size you used is hard to see on a mobile device without magnifying the image, which I never noticed because I don't read, with my eyes, the posts. I listen to them with my ears. In the future if I quote one of your posts I will make sure to create font and color comparisons to replicate as close as possible the original text. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/15/18 at 04:58:52 Use the quote function, then simply delete the portions you don't want to respond to If you quote, just don't play games with what you quote and the system will accurately transfer color and font 1-for-1 with the original post when you quote it. Playing little games with the quoted material in an effort to criticize something is disingenuous at best. The Cafe is not the Tall Table. Asking disingenuous questions, making unsupported "statements of fact", asking for "help" repeatedly on topics you have no intention of doing are all symptoms of the Troll Disease, something we trust you are not infected with. At the very mildest, you are leaking over from Tall Table behaviors, badly. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 11/15/18 at 06:52:26 "If you quote, just don't play games with what you quote and the system will accurately transfer color and font 1-for-1 with the original post when you quote it." How will the system know? I say the words and they appear on the screen, I then in this case manually, with my hands, changed the type to the smallest and turned it red. This was not an attempt to play games, it was an attempt to create a representation of the text being smaller than the other text, it is not to scale. Next time I will make sure to make comparisons until I match the font to scale. "Asking disingenuous questions, making unsupported "statements of fact", asking for "help" repeatedly on topics you have no intention of doing are all symptoms of the Troll Disease, something we trust you are not infected with." Are you sure you are thinking of me? You have indicated I say things like referencing "PRO" in my posts when there isn't a single post where I do that. I'd be interested in where I am asking for help on something I have no intention on doing. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/15/18 at 18:47:45 https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-details-more-issues-with-the-windows-10-october-2018-update/ https://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/windows-10s-october-2018-update-breaks-mapped-network-drives/ https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-14nm-cpu-shortage-motherboards-hurt,38082.html http://https://cdn.neow.in/news/images/uploaded/2018/11/1541779878_w10october18u_story.jpg Synopisis: The flow of bugs and flaws continue with MS's error ridden Fall Upgrade, some of the new flaws coming out of the woodwork now will affect the all important Enterprise Users and Microsoft has no fix right now for these issues (fix is promised for next year sometimes during a later main system upgrade --- this means it is a very basic function bug that requires a fairly large rewrite of a chunk of network software). Recommendation being passed around right now is NOT TO INSTALL THE FALL UPGRADE for Enterprise Users. Anger is still prevalent, just consider the opening paragraph from this fairly opportunistic Linux "replace your Windows" distro. https://betanews.com/2018/11/15/deepin-15-8-linux-distribution-available-for-download-replace-windows-10-now/ As more and more people wake up to the fact that Windows 10 is a giant turd lately, computer users are exploring alternatives, such as Linux-based operating systems. First impressions can be everything, so when searching for a distribution, it is important that beginners aren't scared off by bewildering installers or ugly and confusing interfaces. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/linux-finally-good-enough-replace-windows/ Yes, MS has a large image problem and right now everybody and his brother are highlighting every new bug MS puts out as MS does their standard "fumble through it 3-4 times before it jells" software development routine. Mark Shuttleworth at Ubuntu has been contacted by IBM/Red Hat to see if some sort of a technology consolidation is conceivable/possible between the main Linux groups. Mark has said previously that cutting down on multiple variants of key systems was worth consideration "for technical consolidation purposes" and as long as he and his team remains firmly in charge of the Ubuntu distro Mark does see a real need to have a unified commercial Linux technology base going forward. Between the 3 companies IBM/Red Hat and Ubuntu do make up the vast majority of Commercial Linux suppliers. All the Linux distros are feeling threatened by Google who is working so diligently on Fuchsia OS and by MS who is now saying they are going to totally redo Windows inside the next 2 year time period. MS will be basing this Windows redo in part on FOSS Linux because of MS's need to rectify some of the nagging errors in the Windows core code base (and their Windows programmers apparent inability to stop making mistake after mistake after mistake). MS has completely changed their stance on Linux inside the last 2 years, joining the core Linux Federation as a main supporting member and MS is beginning to utilize Linux code freely inside Windows where it fits with customer use demands. In the last quarter, MS has released Clear Linux, a pay me $10 MS modified Linux distro that is intended to bridge some of the gaps between traditional MS and Linux worlds. MS has also released complete chunks of very old MS code into the FOSS world, including all the old versions of MS DOS but stopping short of XP, which would actually be of some use to the REACTOS project. =================================================== https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-14nm-cpu-shortage-motherboards-hurt,38082.html OBTW, Intel is now shortfalling 2 million chips a month now -- that is a very LARGE shortfall in chip production which will be reflected in a larger increase in AMD machines shipping this Christmas season, with this shortfall situation continuing and it will be carrying forward into Q1-Q3 2019. ================================================== https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/16/18098230/microsoft-windows-on-arm-64-bit-app-support-arm64 Microsoft opens the door to better Windows on ARM apps Native ARM 64-bit Windows app support has arrived at last. Microsoft is removing one of the big limitations of Windows on ARM this week by allowing developers to create 64-bit ARM (ARM64) apps. Developers will be able to recompile existing win32 or Universal Windows Apps to run natively on Windows 10 on ARM hardware. That means 64-bit app performance should get a lot better, as long as developers take the time to recompile. Microsoft is now relying on developers to use its tools to improve its Windows on ARM efforts. That’s a situation the software giant has found itself in before, relying on developers to create Universal Windows Apps for Windows 8, Windows 10, and Windows Phone apps for a variety of new touch-based hardware. It’s hard to say whether 64-bit app support will really help move Windows on ARM into the mainstream, but it’s certainly laying the ground work for a bigger push by Microsoft. WINDOWS ON ARM HAS MADE SLOW AND STEADY PROGRESS Windows on ARM has been progressing steadily over the past year, but performance and app compatibility are still big issues. Windows 10 includes an emulation layer for x86 apps running on ARM processors, and it’s the way you’ll experience most desktop apps on one of these machines at the moment. Emulation is never ideal, so if developers recompile their apps to run natively on Windows on ARM then we’ll start to see just how well these laptops can compare to traditional Intel-powered devices. As Intel continues to struggle with its 10nm processors, competition from ARM processors has closed the performance gap significantly. Apple compares its latest iPad Pro gaming performance to an Xbox One S console, and benchmarks show it’s competitive at CPU tasks. ARM is also promising laptop-level performance from its Cortex-A76 chip design in 2019. The chip design company has been claiming that ARM processors next year will compete with Intel’s Kaby Lake range on laptops. ....... uh, guys, next year starts in like 6 weeks from now ???? |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/20/18 at 05:07:38 https://betanews.com/2018/11/20/microsoft-pulls-buggy-office-updates/ https://betanews.com/2018/11/13/microsoft-windows-10-october-2018-update-back/ Et tu, Office? After pulling Windows 10 update, Microsoft does the same for Office http://https://betanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/microsoft-glass-building-logo.jpg Microsoft's update procedure for Windows 10 has been a little, er, wobbly of late. The Windows 10 October 2018 Update proved so problematic that it had to pulled, and even the re-released version is far from perfect. Now it seems the cancer is spreading to Office. Having released a series of updates for Office 2010, 2013 and 2016 as part of this month's Patch Tuesday, Microsoft has now pulled two of them and advised sysadmins to uninstall the updates if they have already been installed. See also: * Microsoft pulls the problematic Windows 10 October 2018 Update * The re-released Windows 10 1809 is still buggy -- and some fixes won't arrive until next year * Re-released Windows 10 October 2018 Update breaks Apple iCloud In both instances -- KB4461522 and KB2863821 -- Microsoft says that the problematic updates can lead to application crashes. While this is not as serious a problem as, say, data loss, it does little to quieten the fears that have been voiced about the quality control Microsoft has over its updates. For the KB4461522 update, Microsoft says: Notice: After you install this update, you may experience crashes in Microsoft Access or other applications. To resolve this issue, uninstall the update by following the instructions in the "More information" section. This update is no longer available. It's a similar story for KB2863821: Notice: After you install this update, you may experience crashes in Microsoft Access or other applications. To resolve this issue, uninstall the update by following the instructions in the "More information" section. This update is no longer available. If you have installed either of the updates, the advice is to remove them as soon as you can. You'll then have to sit back and wait for Microsoft to release updated, non-buggy versions -- and it's impossible to say when they will appear. Pay attention, please. Microsoft has a problem. LOOK AT THE PICTURE. As a company, older employees have been being forced out over the last few years, moving the age of the "in charge" personnel lower and lower and lower. Middle managers as a group have been removed and the recently promoted Team Leaders assigned to their Management Control and "internal to the team Quality Control duties". Microsoft is a fine example of the new nation-wide "Due To Downsizing & Cost Cutting Millennials were put In Charge" syndrome. These 20-30 somethings think differently than Joe Normal, and in this case they see nothing wrong with "moving on" somebody else's software problems to the next step in the process. A millennial has a somewhat narrow view of "his job" and they do their job, not everybody else's. Microsoft is checking their software releases now, and is putting the brakes on errant software releases and pulling back recently released OS and Office releases right and left at the moment. =================================================== https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-after-big-linux-performance-hit-spectre-v2-patch-needs-curbs/ http://https://zdnet1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2016/10/05/698f8e2b-3744-45f5-9a23-30339b34c7be/resize/770xauto/b0f819a73a6790ffc1515fdebf100f4a/linustorvalds770x57.jpg Linux kernel founder Linus Torvalds: "When performance goes down by 50 percent on some loads, people need to start asking themselves whether it was worth it." Major slowdowns caused by the new Linux 4.20 kernel have been traced to a mitigation for Spectre variant 2 that Linux founder Linus Torvalds now wants restricted. As noted by Linux news site Phoronix, the sudden slowdowns have been caused by a newly implemented mitigation called Single Thread Indirect Branch Predictors (STIBP), which is on by default in the Linux 4.20 kernel for Intel systems with up-to-date microcode. STIBP is one of three possible mitigations Intel added to its firmware updates in response to the Spectre v2 attacks. Others included Indirect Branch Restricted Speculation (IBRS), and Indirect Branch Predictor Barrier (IBPB), which could be enabled by operating-system makers. STIBP specifically addresses attacks against Intel CPUs that have enabled Hyper Threading, its version of Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT) Speaking of the Wintel boys screwing up all over again (accidentally ???) so much so that their very latest patches that were contributed to the Linux Kernel intended to combat Meltdown and Spectre are now being pulled by Linus himself, acting directly, effective today. Both Wintel companies are now "a Foundation Level player" in FOSS Linux and are supposed to be able to be trusted to submit a patch to be included in the next kernel release. Linus and company had correctly patch fixed Meltdown and Spectre 6 MONTHS ago (back when Intel was saying it wasn't their processors and MS was saying they had no OS problems to fix) and for the Wintel boys themselves to submit new patches so very very late now, well the patches themselves should have been more thoroughly inspected before being released, AND THE INTEL/MICROSOFT PATCHES SHOULD HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY VETTED BY THE LINUX SYSTEM MAINTAINERS BEFORE GOING INTO THE LINUX KERNEL with hindsight being all 20-20 as it often is (and as it could be said it is as if some of the black bag boys in the marketing department at Intel may have possibly actually written some of these particular rotten patches, apparently). These latest Wintel patches actually cut the overall Linux performance by 30 to 50 percent depending on the actual workload, for no apparent gain in protection over the original patch set put out by Linus and his boys months and months ago that successfully mitigated the issues at a "less than 5 to 10% processing delay" processing effectivity cost. Linus is saying, politely but bluntly, that simply turning off speculative execution completely and stopping multi-threading completely and removing that entire code block from Linux would have less of a slowdown effect than the recent Wintel patches have done when they are implemented "as submitted". In any case, all Wintel kernel submissions will now be looked at more carefully in the future because "automatically trusting the guys that built the stuff" really does seem to not be working all that well in the harsh light of reality any more. One of the Wintel boys seems to have become pretty much incompetent at driver programming and the other one of the Wintel boys is struggling in the marketplace so badly their motivations always seem to be somewhat suspect now-a-days. A repeated theme is still showing up here, that the latest Intel processors really don't get much better, but the tests and the various background systems are getting tweeked by Intel to make it seem like the newest Intel processor generation is getting a lot better (but really isn't). Example: you write a 30 to 50% slow down into the patched Linux drivers, then you can magically fix that problem (the one that you actually created) in the next processor generation's software release and then your Marketing Dept. can claim a 45% improvement in processing power ---- does this sound at all familiar to you? Throw on a couple of extra super fast cores that overheat the chipset (overpower existing laptop cooling systems) and inside 10 minutes thermal throttle the whole mess down to way slower than it was before ---- does this sound at all familiar to you? Jack all your prices up 50% in early October then for a Black Friday sale you can sell a few of them at the original MSRP as "a really good sale price" ---- does this sound at all familiar to you? And then you can also tweek the hell out of the testing benchmarks and then hire a lying test house for an additional 15-25% worth of "processing improvement" numbers that you know that Joe Normal type people will all initially see touted very loudly in your initial product release claims, but by the time the press embargoes are all over and the real benchmark results are being released by independent testers nobody in the buyers marketplace will ever see or ever remember it was all a bunch of lying BOGUS BS to begin with---- does this sound at all familiar to you? Those end users will just remember reading the original exaggerated claims and they will now see that you have gotten all of those same exaggerated claims printed up now on the outside of the product cartons. Linus and Linux won't play along with any more bogus lying that you Wintel MMC boys do any more, you sorry ol' Mickey Mouse Club F---up boys, you clumsy clumsy stupid Wintel idiots ...... Since honesty and competence are key parts of being a Linux Foundation Level Member, Microsoft and Intel should both forfeit the Linux Foundation Member title and forfeit the $500,000 Linux Foundation Level membership fee and simply go back to being "standard level" members and get treated that way going forward. If they cannot be trusted to consistently ACT like Foundation Level Members, then they shouldn't hold that title going forward. ::) Oh, by the way, on December 3rd (less than TWO WEEKS after angrily slapping his palm and cutting off all the latest Wintel patches, Linus and the boys have finished fixing the new Meltdown and Spectre variants with NEW LINUX KERNEL PROGRAMMING ---- at roughly the same ~5%~ processing penalty cost of the original Meltdown and Spectre patches that they did over six months ago to fix the first wave of Wintel security exposures. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/20/18 at 19:00:19 https://www.anandtech.com/show/13620/huawei-server-efforts-hi1620-and-arms-big-server-core-ares http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13620/Carou_678x452.jpg http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13620/Hi1620_575px.jpg For at least four years now, Arm has been pushing its efforts to be a big part of the modern day server, the modern day data center, and in the cloud as a true enterprise player. Arm cores are found in plenty of places in the server world, with big deployments for its smartphone focused Cortex core family in big chips. However, for those same four years, we have been requesting a high-performance core, to compete in single threaded workloads with x86. That core is Ares, due out in 2019, and while Arm hasn’t officially lifted the lid on the details yet, Huawei has already announced it has hardware with Ares cores at its center. Huawei Is A BIG Company ..... Normally at AnandTech when we discuss Huawei, it is in the context of smartphones and devices such as the Mate 20, or smartphone chips like the Kirin family. These both fall under Huawei’s ‘Consumer Business Group’, which accounts for just under half of the company’s revenue. One of Huawei’s other groups is its Enterprise wing, which is almost as big, and it creates a lot of custom hardware and silicon using its in-house design team, HiSilicon. HiSilicon’s remit goes all the way from smartphones to modems to SSD controllers to PCIe controllers and also high-performance enterprise compute processors.core ...... And It Makes Server CPUs Last month, Huawei’s Enterprise Group lifted the lid on its fourth generation data center processor. Part of the TaiShan family, the Hi1620 would follow hardware such as the Hi1616 in being built using Arm IP. The new Hi1620 was announced as the world’s first 7nm processor for the data center, with the Ares cores being what would drive high-performance for its deployments. While Huawei didn’t have any Hi1620 at the show, it was promoting the fact that it will be a cornerstone in its portfolio, and lifted the lid on a number of key parts of the chip. The new Hi1620 will feature 24-64 cores per socket, running from 2.4-3.0 GHz. Each of these cores will have a 64KB L1-Data cache and a 64 KB L1-Instruction cache, with 512KB of private L2 cache per core. L3 would run at 1MB/core of shared cache, up to 64MB. On a scale of a consumer Skylake core, that means more L2 cache per core, but less L3. No word on associativity, however. One of the key question marks is on performance: a lot of vendors are hoping for an Arm core with Skylake-levels of raw performance. Memory is set at 8 channels up to DDR4-3200, and the chip will support a multi-socket configuration up to 4S, with the coherent SMP interface capable of 240 GB/s for each chip-to-chip communication. The 4S layout would be a fully connected design. IO for the Hi1620 is set at 40 PCIe 4.0 lanes, which is less than the 46 lanes on the Hi1616, but those ones were rated for PCIe 3.0. The Hi1620 will also have CCIX support, as well as dual 100GbE MACs, some USB 3.0, and some SAS connectivity. The package listed is 60x75 mm BGA, which gives no real indication to the chip inside. But that’s a lot of balls on the back, and the package is larger than the 57.5x57.5 mm design from the last generation. Huawei states that the Hi1620 will be offered in TDP ranges from 100W to 200W, with the varying core count, but chips will be offered that can be fine-tuned for memory bound workloads. There are still plenty of unanswered questions, such as the interconnect, but we really want to get to grips with the microarchitecture of Ares to see what is under the hood. A number of journalists at the show were predicting that Arm should be having a "full disclosure" event in the first months of 2019 to lift the lid on the design of the core. OK, Ares is coming out in products very soon now, the A-76 based designs are being pushed forward at least six months early by Huawei and Qualcomm and Apple and they will come out on all levels of platforms. Qualcomm is outing the 8150 SoC the first week of December, i.e. in 4 weeks so this should key ARM to disclose some more information. This is Anandtech doing the early reporting, doing some very early pre-release reporting, saying a "full reveal" is going to be done by ARM very soon, around December-January time frame now that several customer products are "in-production" at TSMC for bulk revenue purposes. Realize that according to all the past generations ARM secrecy and full non-disclosure remains in place until ARM reveals new generation detail information AFTER the first customer product is produced. Note please: this first one is being outed as a serious 24 to 64 core multi-multi chip built up RACK SPACE level chipset and then it is going to be outed again as a laptop chipset and then outed again as a tablet/phone chipset using lower, relatively more normal core count numbers. Look to see Microsoft Windows 10 support and Google Chromebook support it correctly right out of the gate on this one, since those partners were part of the A-76 development program at ARM. Fuchsia will land early on this one too, just as soon as Fuchsia itself hits full Beta (which will be in the first half of next year, according to a few specific Huawei leakers). Huawei, Qualcomm and Apple are the early producers, with Huawei leading in rack space implementation and in mid-range phone implementations. Apple and Qualcomm have already led the A-76 wave into primo phone uses ..... but only on their very heavily customized "built on ARM technology" premium plus phone chipsets. This is not a Qualcomm or Apple fully customized "privatized" design job, it is a bone stock ARM standard design that anybody can license and can build in quantity at TSMC at 7nm (and soon at 5nm off the upgraded production cells). ::) Intel is growing more and more brand new competition all over the place now ........ ================================================== https://www.anandtech.com/show/13614/arm-delivers-on-cortex-a76-promises http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13614/7_678x452.PNG The Cortex A76 is a very solid CPU – Deimos & Hercules will follow up next year and the year after that. Arm had already teased the successor to Enyo (Cortex A76) with the reveal of Deimos and Hercules. Here Arm promised 15-20% performance increases in the next generation. Arm’s strength here lies in actually delivering an overall excellent package of performance within great power envelopes. Also while this part of the PPA metric isn’t something consumer should inherently care about, Arm is able to also keep the CPUs extremely small. We’ve just recently seen Arm’s new server core in the wild – Ares should be the infrastructure counterpart to Enyo/A76 and part of the recently announced Neoverse family of CPU cores. It’s not hard to imagine 32 or 64 of cores of this caliber on a single chip. Overall, we’re looking forward to more exciting products in the next several months – both in the mobile and infrastructure spaces. Look at the graph just above, realize that most oriental suppliers really only buy into the larger bi-annual bumps so all the players simply ignore the next bar as "nice, but not doing that one" as doing a bump costs $$$$$. "Skipping an ARM generation" is becoming the norm as the smaller interim bumps don't yield enough progress to make it worth the time and money to do them. This is why the chart compares the bumps that it compares, they are the bumps that oriental suppliers are actually doing. Prediction: Players will do this A-76 bump, skip the Demos bump and do Hercules as that seems to be the frequency that the oriental suppliers are keeping. Slamming a much stronger set of systems memory and a bigger AI block on to the old stuff during the time period you are skipping a bump seems to give an appropriate amount of product progress at a far lower licensing cost. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/23/18 at 17:17:17 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-delays-windows-10-october-2018-update-intel-drivers,38126.html Microsoft has its own issues with shoddy misapplied Intel Drivers The Windows 10 October 2018 Update's rollout has been a comedy of errors. First, it had to be pulled because of a file system flaw and incompatibility with Intel audio drivers. Then, while it was still exclusive to members of the Windows Insider Program, an issue with compressed folders was discovered. The update finally debuted in mid-November...but only for people whose systems don't run certain software or hardware. The first set of delays arrived for people using Trend Micro's OfficeScan and Worry-Free Business Security software or certain AMD GPUs. Those were followed by another delay for people using the latest version of iCloud, which has problems with Shared Albums on the Windows 10 October 2018 Update. Now, according to Myce, systems with Intel display driver versions 24.20.100.6344 and 24.20.100.6345 have also been excluded. There is some good news for Microsoft, though, which is that the latest delay appears to be Intel's fault. The company explained on its website: "Intel inadvertently released versions of its display driver (versions 24.20.100.6344, 24.20.100.6345) to OEMs that accidentally turned on unsupported features in Windows. After updating to Windows 10, version 1809, audio playback from a monitor or television connected to a PC via HDMI, USB-C, or a DisplayPort may not function correctly on devices with these drivers." (This is separate from the other Intel issues.) Microsoft said it's "working with Intel to expire these display drivers, including coordinating with OEMs, and will provide an update on the resolution in an upcoming release." It's not clear exactly what features Intel rushed to support with the drivers, or if the fix will involve releasing those features to Windows 10 users, but right now the issue's just the latest in a string of problems with the Windows 10 October 2018 Update. Between the two halves of Wintel and all its various sub-vendors throwing both bad and "inappropriate" drivers around willy-nilly and in a completely out of time sequence manner, what real chance do you, the poor PC consumers, actually have for any form of peaceful year in 2019 ??? ::) =================================================== https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/11/26/microsoft-breaks-windows-media-player-in-latest-windows-10-update/#3ab6747d6b1f http://https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fspecials-images.forbesimg.com%2Fdam%2Fimageserve%2F1059481568%2F960x0.jpg%3Ffit%3Dscale Microsoft may want to consider renaming the now-infamous Windows 10 October Update version 1809. First it had to be pulled from the public due to critical file-deleting bugs. Then it was finally reissued in the middle of November. With all the original "default apps" bugs still broken but MS had decided reissued the software anyway. Machines with Intel HD Graphics drivers are losing their sound (again). iCloud syncing is still broken. And now Microsoft says Windows Media Player is broken in the latest cumulative update. Microsoft seems to think that because they SAY something is fixed that magically it becomes fixed ...... except when they admit they didn't fix all of it, or eventually that they can't fix it at all until next year sometimes. "After installing this update, users may not be able to use the Seek Bar in Windows Media Player when playing specific files," Microsoft writes in its known issues document. "Microsoft is working on a resolution and will provide an update in an upcoming release." As with most bugs of this nature, it's difficult to determine how widespread the problem is. It's certainly not a crippling one (just install and use VLC instead), but it's baffling to me that a problem like this can be introduced into such a mature piece of software. Listen to the author's thoughts on having even more backup than just having a full set of non-Mickey applications installed, like VLC. He also disparages Mickey's excuse that it is all because they have to cover a bunch of different configurations --- THIS IS A BOGUS EXCUSE --- and then he gives an example of somebody else that does cover ALL of the same configurations as Mickey does (and more) but has no constant stream of failures like Mickey does. That is a dizzying and mind-numbing number of hardware configurations, and I will never envy the position of software developers deploying stuff on that kind of scale. However, perhaps Microsoft should ease back on the "it just works because we said so" mentality for at least the next few months. This bug is not a major issue, but it is yet another bug serving to severely tarnish the reputation of Windows 10 and Microsoft's quality assurance methods. http://https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/9174186660_ee581b8f2e_h-640x480.jpg Windows bugs multiply, making dozens of new bugs to plague somebody else .... As a gentle reminder, I've been using Ubuntu Linux for nearly six months now. I haven't lost any files. My audio never stopped working, I can choose new default apps at any time. My laptop has never rebooted unexpected for an update or any other reason. Seriously, I continue beating this drum because, if you don't truly have to use Windows 10, there are superior alternatives out there. by Peter Bright, Arstechnia.com Now my own gentle reminder, Debian Linux goes through 3 tester rings to become Debian Stable, Ubuntu then takes Debian Stable and puts it through another set of test rings for interface mods before releasing it as a Ubuntu short term release. The best of the best short term Ubuntu releases are then combined to become a Ubuntu Long Term Release. Then Linux Mint then takes the best most stable most current Ubuntu Long Term Release and puts it through another set of testing rings for any Mint interface concerns before releasing the very best of the best Ubuntu Long Term Release as the new stable core of Linux Mint. Then Mint holds on to that "best of the best version" of Ubuntu for the next 3 Mint revisions, making completely sure all improvements passed forward really ARE improvements before letting the next Mint update go out into the wild. Windows 10 is 100% pure quill "buggy trash" by comparison. Seriously, I can only remember ONCE IN 10 YEARS when Mint had to take back anything for any reason, and that was for a bad driver that was put out by NVIDA. That bad NVIDA driver got pulled inside 3 days after going live ..... ;) |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/29/18 at 04:48:26 Some long thoughts on progress ...... There are many articles saying that transistors will stop shrinking after 2-3nm, they will hit the wall then even if using the gate all around tricks. We are currently at 7-5nm with 3nm gate all around coming in a couple of 3-5 years. No more transistor size progress will be possible at that time using silicone anything, supposedly. ALL SUPPLIERS are now using some ARM core IP technology, yes, even including good ol' Intel. Wintel's attempts to maintain their desktop and server monopoly will erode accordingly. "Monopoly erosion" from the Intel perspective also includes Microsoft's intentional use of the newest, most powerful ARM processors and those which are using class beating AMD processors in their own Surface line of products. This change has already begun. Microsoft does not intend to let Intel suck them down the toilet bowl swirl whirlpool with them ..... Cores will become more energy efficient and will MULTIPLY like rabbits everywhere. This puts counter pressure on the old multi-threading tricks that Intel had piloted and on all the forms of predictive execution that Intel has depended upon for up to 30-40 percent of their recent performance boosts. (I keep saying that Intel has made no real silicon progress in their cores in the last longest time, which is what has prompted Intel to just recently start using ARM core IP in their newest multi-multi-multi core products). There is no purpose served by multi-threading in a multi-core world with literally dozens of separate cores that can do the much faster single thread workloads on separate physical cores. Remember, single thread workloads on separate cores are easily sandboxed for improved security. So, Intel has begun to back off on multi-threading as it opens up Pandora's box for like a dozen serious security risks that Wintel is finding simply too hard to fix without killing processing speed and efficiency. Intel however is still currently grasping at predictive execution, despite all the security issues that it has. It is the only move "forward" that they have when using their current x86 14nm production technology. I find it stupidly amazing that Intel still touts some bi-annual 10-15% "processing improvements" while having to release security patches that kill 20-30% of Intel processing speed on certain sorts of work loads. In the last few months, major users like AMAZON have welcomed AMD server products because of strong cost/performance improvements. (AMD uses a modified form of ARM core to do their x86 style code) However, the newest class of "pure Linux natural" fully stock ARM server core designs are showing up out there now as well. Just this past few weeks, full production on box stock forms of ARM based server processors bearing 48-148 plus cores have started production currently giving slower performance per core compared to big hot running Intel cores but being so much better in aggregate performance, yes, yielding much better overall processing performance while costing much much less to run, booking 40% less in direct energy consumption and 50% less in site cooling costs. Oh yeah, the box stock ARM stuff cost less than half as much as Intel cored products to make and to buy too. And yes, they cost less than the AMD based server products as well -- but they do not run legacy x86 programming nearly as well. Folks find that moving over to running on Linux based software is quite easy though, and using Linux 100% makes the new ARM servers more efficient than "mixed programming" anyway. You are at the cusp of the promised ARM revolution, but it will be relatively short lived as lithography shrinkage is running on up to the end of its road inside the next 5 years. =================================================== Much much money and research time is now being spent on AI and Quantum Computing ...... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 11/29/18 at 13:24:37 Forbes recommends buying the new generation Chromebooks instead of current broken Win 10 based units ..... https://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinmurnane/2018/11/27/the-windows-10-october-update-is-still-breaking-things-you-can-deal-with-it-or-opt-for-a-chromebook/#46f357732193 http://https://blogs-images.forbes.com/kevinmurnane/files/2018/09/Oh-no_Concord90_Pixabay.png Windows 10 is always getting small-scale updates that have to be rescheduled so they don’t interrupt your work. In addition, Microsoft adds large collections of new features to Windows 10 with major updates that roll out in the spring and fall. The October Update, also known as version 1809, is this year's big fall update. It’s been a disaster from day one. Watching Microsoft continue to struggle and to fail to fix the October Update has been like watching a slow-motion train wreck. Unless there’s a Windows 10 program that you absolutely have to have, you don’t have to deal with this mess. Consider getting a Chromebook. Before the October Update released, Microsoft warned that trying to install the update if there wasn’t enough room on the drive could cause the install to fail and crash the system. The company didn’t reveal how much space was needed, didn’t explain how to recover from the problem, and didn’t address the question of why the update didn’t check available storage space before it tried to install. Users who manually installed the October Update in the days before the official rollout began reported that the update was deleting their personal files stored in Windows 10’s default directories like Documents, Photos and Music. Microsoft halted the planned rollout. About a week later the company said the problem was fixed and the rollout would resume as soon as the fix was tested with Windows Insiders. Meanwhile it became known that Windows Insiders had reported the file deletion problem many times through the spring and summer. Microsoft either ignored the warnings or didn’t see them. The October Update rollout didn’t recommence until mid-November. An early November update broke the ability to set some programs but not others as default applications. For example, How-To Geek reported that Adobe Photoshop could no longer be set as the default program for opening an image file. The problem has not yet been fixed. On November 13, Microsoft reported that an update broke the seek bar in the Windows Media Player. It remains broken. On November 16, Microsoft reported a number of problems with the October Update including VPN users losing internet connectivity in some circumstances, iCloud Shared Albums failing to sync or update, and mapped drives failing to reconnect after logging into a Windows device. None of these problems have been fixed. Had enough? Don’t want to continue biting your fingernails hoping your system isn’t borked after Windows 10 finishes updating? Tired of waiting around for the latest update to finish or to eventually be repaired? Give Chromebooks some serious consideration. The days when chromebooks were nothing more than hardware platforms for the Chrome browser are long gone. Today’s high-end chromebooks are fully functional machines for both work and play. They run Chrome OS, Android and Linux apps seamlessly, side-by-side on the same desktop. They’re the most flexible devices you can buy. They’re also extraordinarily secure, boot lightning fast compared to PCs and Macs, and you never have to deal with updates. The update problems plaguing Windows 10 are not an issue for chromebooks. You never have to wait for an upgrade because Google constantly updates Chrome OS in the background. Moreover, if you power a chromebook down when you’re finished using it, the Chrome OS’s Verified Boot system guarantees that you’ll always have the current version of the operating system running on your machine when you power it back up. Verified Boot also insures that any malware that managed to get through the Chrome OS’s state-of-the-art security and modify the operating system will be eliminated when the system boots up. Powering up a chromebook every time you want to use it isn’t nearly the annoyance it is with other systems. Windows 10 and MacOS machines usually take somewhere between 30 and 90 seconds to boot. As I reported in another article, my Pixelbook takes about 8 seconds to arrive at the password screen and is ready to go in another 4 to 5 seconds with several tabs open in the Chrome browser. ================================================== http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Intel-AMD-CPU-Market-Share_1.png Intel is dumping their ongoing plans for Cannon Lake mobile chipsets and possibly the next generation of Intel mobile processors which was Whiskey Lake or some such strange sounding moniker. All of these were supposed to be 10nm Intel domestic produced parts off of the now out of date (non-working) Intel 10nm lines. Intel is now planning on executing some sort of long term processor reorganization and doing some more production line rebuilds to support their new plan which is yet to be officially announced. This news comes from a raft of Intel suppliers who have had cancellations of this and that rain in upon their heads this past week. Why, do you ask? Because ARM and AMD had "overcome by events" these planned Intel generations with current announced and being produced 7nm AMD products and with even more "easily foretold to be soon released products" from several different ARM suppliers making the long delayed Cannon Lake and Whiskey Lake product lines "preemptively non-competitive" out in the future should they ever actually be built. Right now (using Germany's biggest tech store Mindshare.de as a market predictor) the new AMD 7nm processors are selling in at a 2.5x ratio to Intel's old traditional 14nm processors. This is said after tracking this trend for two full rolling quarters of 2018. Rolling quarters is a good way of tracking the increase or decrease as the sharp increase in Intel pricing really really showed up well in this metric. Intel is shedding market share like a kitty shedding fur in spring time right now ..... So, Intel would rather empty out their bulging warehouses at this stage, rather than build any more "to be obsoleted" stuff. They are getting their premium prices at the moment, so this is maximizing short term profits, something Intel is pretty good at doing. By not building what they will not need Intel saves some manufacturing capacity for those things that they can actually sell when produced off their 14nm process lines. Intel is also renovating some more of these nearly obsolete 14nm manufacturing production lines, taking them out of service temporarily for lithography processing based upgrades. We await the coming Intel announcements of new Intel 7nm products produced made up out of chiplets that are built in volume using turn key production lines from ASML and "built on ARM technology" designs from ARM Holding. Intel will choose to build the center chiplet themselves on their own 14nm lines but the myrad smaller workhorse cores will have to be built at TSMC at 7nm in the short term in order for Intel to be competitive to the already announced AMD product lines. To buffer things some (and speed up the new Intel introductions) look for TSMC to produce some large quantity of wafers of chiplets in bulk for Intel to use during calendar 2019, (or at least until the new Intel lines are set up, tuned and running well ......) =================================================== Interesting Rumors (having 3 different sources pushing about the same rumor gets me interested -- where there is smoke there is at least a little fire of some sort going on). Rumor #1 Microsoft is coming out with a new Windows lite to compete with Chromebooks. Yeah, we hear this every other year and eventually a fizzle happens because Windows 10 is such a huge screwed up pig it can never become light and fast like Chrome OS. Rumor #2 Microsoft is taking Open Source Chromium Browser to make the core of their new Edge replacement browser. Rumor #3 Microsoft is branching off a build of Chromium OS off similar to what Amazon has done. This one could become Rumor #1 and Rumor #2 very easily. All 3 rumors added up sound ....... mebbe possible in some mixed fashion ??? Please remember, this is all legal and fairly up & up as Microsoft is both a Chromium Partner and a Linux Foundation Level Member. The rumors have an unappealing twist to them, MS and Intel have both show signs of having hit the point of "giving up" on their old standard proprietary stuff as it has become very unwieldy to keep updated and it isn't really competitive or secure any more. Bad news here for the new Fuchsia OS as Google will wind up giving Fuchsia away to MS and Intel at the same time they release it to the FOSS people. Google has not released the license terms for Fuchsia OS yet so some little wrinkles may happen to keep the Wintel boys actively sucking up on Google's work. ::) Confirmations: https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-building-chromium-powered-web-browser-windows-10 https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/4/18125238/microsoft-chrome-browser-windows-10-edge-chromium https://www.neverware.com/#introtext-3 This is a Chromium rip off by a commercial company, MS could do similar to this or just buy these guys complete. https://www.howtogeek.com/397210/the-future-of-windows-what-are-polaris-and-windows-core-os/ https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/microsoft-killing-edge-google-chrome |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/04/18 at 06:51:14 How loyal are Intel fans really ??? About 50% loyal and that 50% number is falling rapidly ....... How loyal are MS fans ??? There aren't any 100% loyal MS fans right now (ones that still have a functional brain, anyway) Mickey needs to do some housecleaning and floor scrubbing ASAP as EACH ERROR THEY MAKE FROM THIS POINT FORWARD BECOMES ........ http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTpXeb5d1SXtN025GHCqtzo5Fe3BDCk74u74SkOZ6a2gulzuBozTg (bad, really really bad for their image) It is very bad when Mary Jo herself says Mickey's development system is so rotten they actually intentionally sent out known bad MS software to the public consumers SIMPLY TO COLLECT FAILURE RATE STATISTICS ON IT so they can prioritize what to fix first for their business customers. this pile of Win 10 shite is sooooo big now they need to use sampling statistics to get a handle on it Microsoft now wants to adapt and use Linux code and Chromium code and other good FOSS software code that still works very well to create a new MS OS system which has a development name of Windows Core / Polaris. This sounds neat to MS, but MS really needs to add something of real value to this mix from the very beginning or else folks will just use the various FOSS software packages directly and forgo even having MS around ....... especially if MS keeps on being totally buggy crap the way it is right now. Look to see license terms for all the FOSS softwares to shift to keep MS from trying to own their hard work. The new IBM/Red Hat/Ubuntu/Linux Foundation agreements in principle that you keep hearing about are intended to preempt MS's efforts to control the standards for Linux right now and going forward into the future. Letting MS take any form of leadership on Chromium or Linux or Android is a very very bad idea. Historically, MS has operated by a join, modify, document and then license/limit/extinguish methodology that they have used for over 50 years now to steal FOSS code, going all the way back to the Unix DEC/VAX era. If MS can take over your tech for free (or steal your ideas) they will surely do so. And later on after a decade has passed they will actually turn around and sue you claiming THEY invented it in the first place (based upon having written up and published and maintained standards for what you had done in the first place). MS employs a bevy of lawyers to do just this activity and they make 10's of Billions each year off of the Android community doing it ...... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/04/18 at 23:50:23 https://www.howtogeek.com/397210/the-future-of-windows-what-are-polaris-and-windows-core-os/ http://https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/ximg_5c01ce6505f55.png.pagespeed.gp+jp+jw+pj+ws+js+rj+rp+rw+ri+cp+md.ic.JW6UCILlX9.png Microsoft wants all Windows devices to be based on the same operating system, and it’s building Windows Core OS to be that operating system. A Microsoft job posting on LinkedIn says Windows Core OS (WCOS) will be “the OS shared across all new devices.” That same Microsoft job listing also refers to Windows Core OS as a “new operating system” and says the OneCore team at Microsoft is involved. Windows Central‘s Zac Bowden spoke to sources at Microsoft about Windows Core OS back in 2017. Here’s how they described it: Windows Core OS (WCOS for short) is a new, modern version of Windows and is a monumental step forward in making Windows a truly universal OS. In short, WCOS is a common denominator for Windows that works cross-platform, on any device type or architecture, that can be enhanced with modular extensions that gives devices features and experiences where necessary. Windows Core OS is the next step in making Windows 10 fully modular. It’s a single base operating system for all devices. Rather than Windows 10, Windows 10 Mobile, and the Xbox operating system being based on OneCore but still different, they’ll all be running Windows Core OS. According to ZDNet’s Mary Jo Foley, Windows Core OS won’t natively run Win32 applications—in other words, traditional desktop software. It runs Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps. However, Windows Core OS is modular. Support for classic desktop applications could be added as a module, and probably will be. But support for traditional software isn’t a core part of the system. As Foley also points out, Windows Core OS was previously known as AndromedaOS inside Microsoft. That’s because it may launch on the rumored “Andromeda” mobile device Microsoft is working on, which may include dual screens. This device was rumored for launch in 2018, but Foley writes that Microsoft has gone back to the drawing board. It may never even be released, so don’t hold your breath. ::) |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/06/18 at 20:26:49 https://www.pcworld.com/article/3325329/components/qualcomms-snapdragon-8cx-for-pcs-aims-to-overcome-the-performance-gap.html https://gizmodo.com/the-snapdragon-8cx-is-qualcomms-first-purpose-built-chi-1830914214 http://www.mnnofa.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/qualcomms-snapdragon-8cx-for-pcs-aims-to-overcome-the-performance-gap.jpg But next year Qualcomm plans to launch its first processor designed specifically for Windows PCs. The Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx isn’t a modified smartphone chip. The company says the 7 watt, octa-core processor will offer performance that’s on par with a 15 watt Intel U-series laptop processor, but using just half the energy at 7 watts. We’ll probably have to wait a little while to truly put that claim to the test — Qualcomm says it’s sampling the chip now, but it won’t show up in consumer devices until the third quarter of 2019. Huawei and Mediatek and Rockchip will also be in line to put forward laptop capable chipsets for both Win 10 lite and Chromebooks, fully intending to slice off a piece of Intel's overpriced fat juicy market share ....... And don't forget to count Apple, with their A12x and A13x super chips that will run Apple/Mac OS. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/07/18 at 02:08:40 https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/12/6/18129678/qualcomm-8cx-mozilla-firefox-windows-10-64-bit-arm http://https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/g3iLfoQJRh7xlUoK14urvHjYUfc=/0x0:2040x1360/920x613/filters:focal(857x517:1183x843):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/62640285/shollister_181206_3130_0004.0.jpg Qualcomm’s new, purpose-built Snapdragon 8cx is the company’s chance to finally power a Windows laptop worth buying. Battery life and integrated cellular connectivity (read: your laptop always has an internet connection) have always been the company’s strengths, but its previous Snapdragon 850 didn’t have always have enough raw horsepower to muscle through a web browser full of web apps. We won’t know if that’ll truly change until we’ve spent some quality time with real Snapdragon 8cx-powered computers — of which none have been announced so far — but I did just get my hands on Qualcomm’s Snapdragon 8cx reference design laptop, and my first performance impression was promising. When I fired up a beta of a new Firefox browser that’s been overhauled to natively run on ARM-based computers, I was able to easily open up a dozen browser tabs and scroll through them without any major issues. That’s while a PowerPoint presentation and a Windows Store instance hovered in the background, and while mirroring to an external monitor. It wasn’t a buttery smooth experience, but it wasn’t a laggy one either, and it felt like I had headroom to spare. IT FELT LIKE I HAD HEADROOM TO SPARE And I’m not just talking about a dozen instances of Google. I’m talking about websites with a decent amount of page load and some ongoing demand on a computer’s memory and processor, including The Verge, CNET, a pair of YouTube HD videos, a Google Sheets spreadsheet, and a fully loaded instance of Tweetdeck with all my social media columns. It did take a second for the spreadsheet to load properly, but that could have been connectivity — I was surfing on a fairly limited 20 Mbps Verizon LTE connection at the time. Obviously, this isn’t nearly enough testing. I didn’t run a single quantitative benchmark. Also, the friendly on-site Qualcomm rep wouldn’t let me access the Windows Task Manager to see just how much my browser load was stressing the new chip. And there’s not a lot to say about the reference design itself. It looks and feels like a pretty generic, mid-range, thin but a little plasticky Windows convertible, with a fairly dim screen and a camera bump around back. None of these things will necessarily be true of final devices from proper PC manufacturers. We’ll hopefully have the chance to test more in mid-2019, when Qualcomm expects the first 8cx devices will come to market. For now, the early Firefox performance is a good sign. ================================================== https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/6/18128648/microsoft-edge-chrome-chromium-browser-changes Microsoft is rebuilding its Edge browser on Chrome and bringing it to the Mac http://https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/gXOokipiC1IuRQwd8BO1EfYsZsA=/0x0:1293x724/920x613/filters:focal(544x259:750x465):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/62634923/sgIcc0P.0.png The Verge understands Microsoft has been considering this move for at least a year, and a lot of the push has been from consumers and businesses who wanted the company to improve web compatibility. Edge has been improving on this front, but even small compatibility issues have caused headaches for users along the way. A move to Chromium will immediately solve these nagging web compatibility issues, and it aligns Edge with Chrome and other browsers that also use Blink. Microsoft has also heard loud and clear from businesses that want the company to support a modern Edge browser across all versions of Windows. Many businesses have machines running Windows 7 and Windows 10, in a mixed environment. As a result, Microsoft is bringing Edge to Windows 7 and Windows 8, decoupling it from being exclusive to Windows 10. Edge will become a downloadable executable across all supported versions of Windows, and it means Microsoft will be able to update it far more frequently than before. It’s not clear if this will be monthly, but it will certainly not be tied to every major Windows 10 update anymore. Another big part of overhauling Edge involves developers. A lot of web developers use a Mac to develop and test sites, but Edge doesn’t exist there, and it’s currently difficult to test Microsoft’s web rendering engine on a Mac without dual booting Windows. Microsoft is now bringing Edge to the Mac. We understand it’s not a move designed to grab more market share specifically; it’s more about making it easier for developers to test Edge. Microsoft hasn’t committed to a specific date for Edge on the Mac, but we expect to see it later next year. CHROME ON WINDOWS WILL GET BETTER WITH MICROSOFT’S HELP All of this work means that, ultimately, the browser engine that powers Chrome will get better on Windows. Microsoft is committing to contribute web platform enhancements that will improve both Edge and Chrome on Windows, including things like touch performance, accessibility features, and support for ARM-based versions of Windows. Microsoft has been working closely with Google engineers to help support a native version of Chrome on Windows for ARM, and this will now be available soon as a result of that work. Microsoft is only just starting to disclose this platform shift to other companies involved in the Chromium project, and the company isn’t ready to start distributing daily builds of Edge running with Chromium just yet. Those beta builds will start early next year, before Microsoft makes the necessary changes in Windows 10 to shift Edge toward Chromium. We expect to see Windows 10 move to this Chromium-based version of Chrome sometime in 2019. Microsoft now wants to collaborate with Apple, Google, and everyone else who also commits changes to Chromium. “If you’re part of the open-source community developing browsers, we invite you to collaborate with us as we build the future of Microsoft Edge and contribute to the Chromium project,” says Belfiore. “We are excited about the opportunity to be an even-more-active part of this community and bring the best of Microsoft forward to continue to make the web better for everyone.” Pay close attention, Google ---- letting MS take ANY FORM of a leadership role in FOSS Chromium Browser or FOSS Chromium OS means they will try to execute a "fork it plan" to privatize their version of the FOSS IP and then legally maneuver to take the whole thing over inside 3-4 years. Please remember what they are still doing with Android, charging people a yearly fee for an "agreement" simply so they will not to be sued by MS's many many lawyers ...... Listen very carefully to the Mozilla folks, they went through this "let's be buddies" charade with MS back when they were still called Netscape Browser ...... and they have yet to recover from the evil that MS did to them back then ...... Then listen to Apple, as they remember well hosting Bill Gates for a one day visit and taking the time to explain "Macintosh Windows" and that new fangled Apple Mouse stuff to him. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/07/18 at 18:43:13 https://hothardware.com/news/microsoft-windows-10-fail-cumulative-update-surface-book-2-bsod Microsoft Windows 10 Fails Continue As Cumulative Update Cripples Surface Book 2 With BSOD (if you are lucky ..... and a complete bricking of the machine if you are unlucky) Microsoft has just encountered a string of bad luck with Windows 10 updates in recent months. It had to pull its October 2018 Update after it went rogue by deleting users' files. Most recently, a Windows Update borked the Windows Media Player in Windows 10. Now, we're having that a rather routine release of cumulative updates resulted in trouble for owners of Microsoft's very own Surface Book 2. You wouldn't expect for a cumulative update (KB4467682) for Windows 10 version 1803 (April 2018 Update) to have harmful effects on a box stock Microsoft Surface machine, but in the case of some Surface Book 2 owners, the update released last week has sparked a number of Blue Screen of Death (BSODs) on systems. http://https://hothardware.com/ContentImages/NewsItem/46483/content/surface_book_2.jpg Surface Book 2 owners have been complaining not only on Reddit, but also on Microsoft's own answers forum. Some lucky owners have been able to restore their Surface Book 2 machines to normalcy by uninstalling KB4467682, however, some unfortunate souls have found that going that route only presents them with a bricked machine upon rebooting. "Well, for some reason removing the update bricked my surface," wrote Luis10e10 on Reddit. "Now I can't even get into the OS. Just have blue screens. I will have to reinstall windows." "Also having this problem," added seinberg. "WTF Microsoft? Seriously - your flagship laptop device, and you're sending out updates that cause widespread BSOD. I can't even uninstall the update without it failing." The cause of the problem hasn't been pinned down at the moment, but some people are pointing to potential problems with Intel display drivers, the onboard Bluetooth controller, or Windows Hello. With that being said, Microsoft has officially addressed the issue in an update on the support page for KB4467682: MS writes After installing this optional update some users may get a blue or black screen with error code, “System thread exception not handled.” A resolution for this issue will be available in the December 2018 security update release. The company says that is now actively blocking Surface Book 2 owners from receiving the update. Whatever the cause for the issues, Microsoft has a serious problem on its hands. It's one thing for Windows 10 installs to fail and cause issues on PC hardware that is anything but homogenous given seemingly infinite configuration options, but for it to happen on a flagship product produced by Microsoft is a bit harder to swallow. =================================================== https://www.techradar.com/news/microsoft-halts-yet-another-windows-10-update-after-blue-screen-of-death-errors http://https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/EaVXEjwuDms8XLiafqP3Ak-970-80.jpg Microsoft’s Windows 10 update woes are continuing, with the company having to halt the recent Windows 10 November 2018 cumulative update (KB4467682) after reports it was causing PCs to crash and display the infamous ‘Blue Screen of Death’. At first, the errors appeared to only affect the Surface Book 2, Microsoft’s own hardware, which lead to the company halting the update for those devices. However, Microsoft has now revealed that the problem is more widespread, and it has now pulled the update from all devices. In a new support post, Microsoft explains that “After installing this optional update some users have reported getting a blue or black screen with error code, “System thread exception not handled.” As a precaution, we have removed this optional update from Windows Update and Microsoft Update Catalog to protect customers.” Pulling an update due to it causing PCs to crash is embarrassing enough at the best of times, but Microsoft has had a brutal few months recently where it has had to halt the rollout of a number of updates, including the major Windows 10 October 2018 Update. The update that has caused the new problems is an optional cumulative update that packages a number of ‘fixes’ into one download. Hopefully this means that it won’t have affected quite as many people as other major updates. Still, it’s not a good look for Microsoft. According to the company, “fixes and improvements will be available in the December 2018 security update release and will include a resolution for this issue,” so if you are affected, uninstall the update and wait for a new one. That’s if the next update doesn’t get pulled as well. Going by Microsoft's recent form, we can't rule that out. Please note that this mess occurred AFTER MS began doing full QC review / inspections prior to releasing any new updates. MS's very best reinforced QC inspection efforts could not detect and stop this cumulative addition to the corporate shite pile --- THIS WAS AN ERROR THAT BLUE SCREEN KILLED ONE OF THEIR VERY OWN PREMIUM SURFACE BRANDED MACHINES, yes that one, the one that had just now gotten its Good Housekeeping status put back to "Recommended" for the very first time this calendar year after being "Not Recommended" for over two years due to multiple quality issues leading to multiple multiple customer complaints ...... http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTpXeb5d1SXtN025GHCqtzo5Fe3BDCk74u74SkOZ6a2gulzuBozTg ..... Hey, we had two QC guys assigned to this project, where did they get off to? Oh my God, is that somebody's fingers with a wedding band sticking out of that huge reeking pile of shite ????? Auuugghh !!! ....... somebody get a shovel and a stretcher, quick !!! |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/08/18 at 22:41:05 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/10/report-intel-is-cancelling-its-10nm-process-intel-no-were-not/ Earlier last month, it was reported that Intel is cancelling its troublesome 10nm manufacturing process. In an unusual response, the company has tweeted an official denial of the claims. Development of Intel's 10nm process has been difficult. Intel was very ambitious with its 10nm process—planning to increase the transistor density by something like 2.7 times—and wanted to use a number of exotic technologies to get there. It turned out that the company had bitten off more than it could chew: yields were very low, which is to say that most of the chips being manufactured were defective. In a bid to recover, Intel is now in reality striving for a less ambitious 11-12nm scaling (though still more than double the transistor density of its 14nm process). It has one oddball processor on the market: the Cannon Lake core i3-8121U which is built half on its new 11-12nm process with the GPU half being vended from AMD. Unusually for this kind of processor, the built-in fully integrated Intel GPU has been completely disabled. That's because the Intel GPU is not working; we've heard it claimed that the Intel GPU uses different designs for their logic than the Intel CPUs, and these Intel GPU designs are proving particularly troublesome. Paying for a built in Intel GPU and then paying again for a second full GPU from AMD and putting all three major chipsets on the same daughter board means Intel is paying out over 3x more $$$ simply to be able to say they got their 10nm product into production ...... finally ...... The company's most recent estimate is that 10nm will go into volume production in the second half of 2019. The report from SemiAccurate cites internal sources saying that this isn't going to happen: while there may be a few 10nm chips, for the most part Intel is going to skip 10nm and go directly to its budding 7nm process. Note please that SemiAccuate got it right in all the particulars they had listed so far, but Intel simply did not want to admit to such a total 10nm defeat so Intel has muddied up their troubled waters as much as they possibly could. Paying 3x more for the double GPU equipped "10nm" processors combined with the extra cost for a special run motherboard to hold the doubled up monstrosity seems to be an extravagant price to pay for a little bit of corporate image protection, but remember Intel's overall stock price isn't based upon reality, it is based on that carefully maintained corporate image. ================================================== https://www.extremetech.com/computing/278095-intel-may-have-10nm-hardware-in-market-faster-than-expected According to SemiAccurate, Intel has now made significant changes to its 10nm to push the tech out the door, relaxing its own Intel design rules and changing the nature of the implementation. It’s not clear how significant these changes will be. SemiAccurate earlier argued that the new rules would leave Intel’s 10nm more equivalent to a 12nm process node, but its most recent update argues that “the new downgraded ’10nm’ process from Intel will not take as big a hit from the removal of this tech as SemiAccurate said earlier, but it will still take a hit.” SemiAccurate should be taken with a grain of salt, but the idea that Intel would tweak 10nm to get it out the door more effectively isn’t surprising. Nor is the idea that the company might have had to back off its initially-aggressive plans for 10nm in order to make up for lost time, but the resulting hidden 12nm feature size puts Intel about equal to the best efforts from Global Foundries (which in turn were abandoned by Global Foundries recently in an all out push for getting some new direct burn 7nm EUV lines). Business-wise, 2018 hasn’t been a good year for Intel; the company has been rocked by security problems from Spectre and Meltdown and pinched by manufacturing issues related to the ramp of its long-delayed 10nm process. Earlier this year, the company told customers to expect 10nm shipments to be pushed back all the way to Q4 2019. It’s repeated that guidance several times since, but the timeline may have improved in recent days. Last week, Intel acting CEO Bob Swan published a letter in which he wrote “We’re making progress with 10nm. Yields are improving and we continue to expect volume production in 2019.” This omitted the specific reference to “Holidays” 2019 that Intel had previously given, but it wasn’t clear if the company was changing its guidance or Intel was simply choosing not to emphasize that it would be the better part of a year before it could ship 10nm parts in volume, this in a letter that was supposed to be stock holder positive and forward-looking. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/09/18 at 15:43:16 https://www.anandtech.com/show/13683/intel-euvenabled-7nm-process-tech-is-on-track Intel: EUV-Enabled Intel 7nm Process Tech is reported to be on track for 2020 - 2021 by Anton Shilov on December 6, 2018 10:00 AM EST Originally planned to enter mass production in the second half of 2016, Intel’s 10 nm process technology is still barely used by the company today. Currently the process is used to produce just a handful of CPUs, ahead of an expected ramp to high-volume manufacturing (HVM) only later in 2019. Without a doubt, Intel suffered delays on its 10 nm process by several years, significantly impacting the company's product lineup and its business. Now, as it turns out, Intel’s 10 nm may be a VERY short-lived node. Why? Intel’s 7 nm tech is on-track for introduction in accordance with its original schedule. Intel’s 7 nm production tech will use extreme ultraviolet lithography (EUVL) with laser wavelength of 13.5 nm for select layers, reducing use of multipatterning for certain metal layers and therefore simplifying production and shortening cycle times. As it appears, the 7 nm fabrication process had been in development separately from the 10 nm tech and by a different team. As a result, its development is well underway and is projected to enter HVM in accordance with Intel’s unannounced roadmap, the company says. Murthy Renduchintala, chief engineering officer and president of technology, systems architecture and client group at Intel is quoted to have said at the Nasdaq's 39th Investor Conference: “7 nm for us is a separate team and largely a separate effort. We are quite pleased with our progress on 7 nm. In fact, very pleased with our progress on 7 nm. I think that we have taken a lot of lessons out of the 10 nm experience as we defined that and defined a different optimization point between transistor density, power and performance and schedule predictability. So, we are very, very focused on getting 7 nm out according to our original internal plans.” http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13683/asml-euv-projections-capacity_575px.png The Intel exec reaffirmed the company plans to start HVM production of client CPUs using its 10 nm process technology in 2019, with datacenter products following on a bit later. That said, the Intel exec is very clearly not admitting Intel will be skipping any of its already announced 10 nm products, but instead simply implies that its 7 nm products may hit the market earlier than we might expect up until today (i.e., four years after the 10 nm). “One thing I will say is that as you look at 7 nm, for us this is really now a point in time where we will get EUV back into the manufacturing matrix, and therefore, I think, that will give us a degree of back to the traditional Moore’s Law cadence that we were really talking about,” “With 7 nm we are going back to more like a 2X scaling factor and then we will really moving forward with that goal.” Intel has never disclosed characteristics of its 7 nm fabrication tech, but a major reduction of multi-patterning usage as well as a more traditional 2X scaling goal vs. 10 nm indicates a more extensive usage of EUVL. http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13683/intel_fab42_1_575px.jpg According to ASML, one EUV layer requires one EUV step-and-scan system for every ~45,000 wafer starts per month. Therefore, if Intel plans to use EUVL extensively for 10 to 20 layers, it will require approximately 20 to 40 EUVL scanners for a fab with a 100,000 wafer starts per month capacity. Considering that Intel is not the only company with plans to use EUVL in the 2020s, getting the number of EUVL scanners it might need for HVM at multiple fabs may be a challenge. Where can Intel put all these many state of the art 7nm machines, an existing place with all the needed infrastructure already sitting there, unused? Why at Fab 42, the Fab plant they had built originally for 10nm which never worked right and was never fully completed for real production. Understand that Intel will not doing much for 10nm for most of next 2019 year, and will require part of another year's worth of lag time (2020) before any sort of fully tuned 7nm Intel production can begin. All this simply adds credence to the rumor Intel SIMPLY HAS TO BUY 100's of thousands of full sized wafers per month of their own 7nm designs (to be built by TSMC on TSMC equipment) simply to tide Intel over until Intel can get their own production equipment up and running. AND WE REPEAT -- understand that Intel will not doing much for 10nm for most of next year (2019) nor for the majority of yet another year's (2020) worth of lag time before any sort of full volume 7nm Intel in-house production can begin. Production of Intel chipsets at TSMC will have to take place (whether Intel ever admits to it or not). TSMC, Qualcomm, Huawei, Apple, Mediatek and Samsung (all producing 7nm designs right now) will not be standing around idle during this same 2 year period of time. One can presume these folks will be rolling over to 5nm and below at about the same time as Intel is finally cranking up their own 7nm plant, finally. ================================================== Intel announces their updated Product Roadmaps through 2022 2018 will have a 14nm Coffee Lake refresh. 2019 will have a 10nm Sunny Cove introduction on the bottom end of the Intel line up (with secure all single threaded performance on many many cores) 2020 Willow Cove to come in to fix whatever problems still exist in Sunny Cove, with many many cores with secure single thread actuation which will move all the way up to the top of the product listings. 2021 Golden Cove, a 7nm changeover period (this is three years late compared to the ARM boys and will be 2 full generations behind at that point in time) What Intel is laying out right now puts them 1-2 generations behind ARM and ARM chipset suppliers all the way out into the future. But what it does do is to AVOID buying hundreds of thousands of wafers monthly from TSMC ---- I think Intel finally got their quoted prices from TSMC and it gave them a small stroke when they read it. ================================================== https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/12/18137401/intel-foveros-3d-chip-stacking-10nm-roadmap-future Intel also released their proposed chip layouts ....... http://https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/2kexGeBkNOSOowMM4DKf3Umu9BQ=/0x0:5272x1902/920x0/filters:focal(0x0:5272x1902):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/13621013/12ers.jpg The first frame is now, the second frame is 2019, the third frame is a special construction that is CPU on top of CPU on top of CPU on top of CPU ...... you get the picture. The last stacked CPU one has grown an instant moniker from the PC press people. THE TOWERING INFERNO Intel cores already suffer from overheating and thermal throttling, so what do you think this beast will do, what with the four deep stacked CPU on top of CPU on top of CPU on top of CPU ???? (you are asking for all the processor waste heat to move on up THROUGH the chain of CPUs to get to the heat sink) http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQngE5RvavsW8I7z9YGkEDlPzWBf7CcWjBjKDNExXW0cWWBoIOU Intel is really grasping at straws now ....... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/11/18 at 19:42:23 http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/lg-gram-17.jpg Progress in laptops due to the Intel AMD processor wars ....... This is an under 3 pound 17" display "LG Gram" brand laptop with a touch screen, lighted keyboard and a 13 hour battery life. It is quite expensive at the moment being the first one out of the gate and all, but the desirable portions of the feature set will roll down to less expensive units within a year or two. HINT: if you think this is good, wait until you see what you can get next year this same time. ================================================= BAD NEWS Intel has started spontaneously rolling back to 22nm whenever they lack 14nm capacity to fill current orders. And, as long as the machine builder is willing to take the chips at a discount to fill their original 14nm orders, Intel sees themselves as having ZERO responsibility to tell anybody about the substitution. Intel feels that their customer (the machine builder in question) obviously knows about the substitution as a different socket is needed to use the cheaper older chipset. And if that machine builder does not happen to change his part number or notify his customers or properly review his advertising throughout all his distribution channels, who is at fault for that? Not Intel, according to Intel, anyway. ::) Machine builders do feel that they are being strong armed into taking the 22nm chipsets, as if they don't take them they will miss the Christmas selling season. The machine builders also feel the default "do nothing" pathway is a total "keeping mum" be completely silent secrecy --- which means the final consumers will see A advertised, will decide to buy A and will actually get C inside the product, with C performing at a slightly reduced capacity and using more energy. Since the real improvement for 14nm was always very minimal compared to 22nm the customers may never really notice they got screwed. GUYS, THE REAL ANSWER IS YOU ...... YOU MUST INTENTIONALLY BUY AND USE AMD PROCESSOR PRODUCTS !!!! Know you are getting what you think you are getting (and that you will always get what you are PAYING for). Intel isn't acting trustworthy going forward on telling you what is what with processors being acetone rag wiped, re-labled and sold for something else all over the place now-a-days ...... https://www.techpowerup.com/247773/intel-to-move-select-chipset-fabrication-back-to-22nm-in-wake-of-14-nm-silicon-constraints https://www.anandtech.com/show/13714/intel-adds-b365-chipset-to-lineup-the-return-of-22nm https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-b365-chipset-specs,38235.html And yes, these articles do mention the use of the acetone rag and the relabeling of 5 year old warehoused chipsets to fill in for production shortfalls ...... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/17/18 at 05:54:10 Microsoft sends out a special update announcement and offers to "Completely refresh your Windows 10" installation as a separate special update ...... (just type "Refresh Windows 10" into your browser search bar) Why ????? The recent years of endless messed up nightly update stuff has left many machines limping along and Mickey wants the chance to READ YOUR HARDWARE afresh with their newest hardware sensing programs and then to apply only the newest (most fixed) generation of MS drivers and newest most fixed Win 10 software to what you actually have for old hardware. And why did I have to discover this wonderful offer? Mffy wife's machine had recently stopped recognizing its roller ball mouse and anything else that was attached to the laptop's USB ports. Yup, the machine quit finding its own original OEM USB ports. So I tried out MS's kind offer as I found it to be suspiciously TIMELY and by inference perhaps a necessary step in healing the items Mickey had done to the wife's mysteriously broken Win 10 machine ...... ....... and yes, after 2 nights of secret Santa updates, the wife's machine suddenly had USB ports and all the hardware attached to them again. The main printer worked again and the little label printer worked again. Best yet, her favorite roller ball mouse regained full function as well. The USB based multiport device even started working again and that Amazon Basics multiport (originally advertised to use the stock MS drivers) had mostly broken over a year ago ....... Life is good once again and perhaps Mickey actually picked up a few of their many times repeated foul balls by doing this. However, I will contrast Linux Mint Mate OS that for YEARS AND YEARS has hit no nasty foul balls and had nothing to go running around scurrying after while the crowd of spectators enthusiastically hissed, hooted and boo'd at them. This might offer you a chance to get your machines tended to (in some sort of generic fashion) so consider perhaps doing it if your machine is currently nonfunctionally sick. DO NOT DO IT IF YOU HAVE NO SERIOUS ILLNESSES AT THIS TIME AS IT WIPES OUT ALL MISC. SOFTWARES (including the misc. little shite like your old versions of MS Office, just to name a few). Dinking around with updates like this often involves losing old software, but MS sez get used to it as they remove all unauthorized software stuff routinely now-a-days. =================================================== Oh by the way, TSMC is shipping the first trial lots of 5nm SoCs to three different suppliers this month. This is good news as that means that 5nm is gonna be rolling on into 2019 on schedule ...... When this flies later on in first half 2019 when full production hits then Intel will be 3-4 full generations behind the pace as they still will be using 14nm with 22nm as their production short fall fill in ...... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/20/18 at 12:42:10 https://www.techspot.com/news/77963-tsmc-gets-approval-build-3-nanometer-factory-southern.html Read it, it simply says that 3nm production is gonna happen inside 3 years ..... (translate: 7nm is a main node, 5nm will tend to get skipped, 3nm is a main node) http://https://static.techspot.com/images2/news/bigimage/2018/12/2018-12-20-image-11.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/20/18 at 21:32:24 https://liliputing.com/2018/12/your-slightly-bent-brand-new-ipad-pro-is-perfectly-fine-according-to-apple.html All Ipad Pros coming from Apple are coming new in the box BENT in the middle from the factory. Yep, you paid $1000 plus dollars for the thing and it is BENT in the middle from the factory. It is so durn flimsy you are gonna bend it yourself when using it, but that is a different matter ...... http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/ipad-pro_01.jpg http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/bent-ipad-680x382.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/24/18 at 06:28:59 What we find ..... different ..... leading into this year's CES extravaganza. We got tons of verifications and modifications and explanations of the AMD and RADEON leaks that are rolling in daily, some are reasonable, some are not so reasonable. We got ARM vendors pre-releasing and pre-leaking generational ARM processor innovations based on this new level of ARM technology and the new AMD tech level that is derived from that new ARM tech just released this year ...... There is a new single discrete arm chipset with 24 each A35 cores showing up in several products as a "server style configuration". These may be little cores, but 24 of them makes up a lot of processing power at a very minimal battery capable 5 watt energy cost, so mobile laptop style products using it are very possible. With all this new stuff customers and reviewers are very very excited right now ...... It is clear from this hectic "wishful thinking activity" that the consumers as a whole are HUNGRY for a change. What we don't have is any single peep of significant news coming from Nvidia nor a single peep of anything significant coming soon from Intel. Nvidia just keeps on losing more of its sky high stock price (it has lost about 40% at this point and will be selling Nvidia stock for less than a $100 per share price point if they choose to sell it at all). Nvidia is keeping up a dignified silence, which is all they can apparently do at the moment. Intel just keeps on saying "Intel is not dependent on the Consumer market for growth any longer", and perhaps the consumer market needs to take that message to heart as Intel is still keeping up its customer shagging 50% processor price elevation and is still allowing the acetone rag remarking of old 22nm processors to take place so as to sell them as "conveniently secretive" emergency replacements for the customer ordered 14nm products that are part of an Intel production shortfall. (Intel's real world answer to their ongoing 10nm production yield shortage and their inability to cover 10nm non-production up with new 14nm production). The first 2 weeks of next year will mark a watershed computer show event in Consumer Electronics, a watershed event that is functionally mostly missing two of its old historical front players because they simply aren't going to be there in force to face the music they so richly deserve. Right now Intel does not even have a keynote presentation listed ...... Intel has gotten LAMBASTED in the last 2 CES shows for lying and hiding the real rackspace processor board (the huge one with the 100 pound freon cooling system that was actually running their demos) and other similar type deceptive shenanigans (such as paid testing houses being encouraged to do some poorly faked up benchmark tests). The last 2 years of CES has been a face losing PR disaster after face losing PR disaster for Intel. We can see why Intel does not want a repeat performance ...... Taken in a positive light, Intel isn't going to have their BS pushing PR department out there in front this time -- digging their lying and stinking PR pit deeper and deeper for 3 years in a row is more than Intel's corporate image can take --- but instead Intel will perhaps only say a very few real and truthful things for what little they do have to say. :o ........ right now Intel simply points to a future pathway plan that stretches out 6 years into the future, a plan that is ALREADY OVERCOME BY CURRENTLY ANNOUNCED AMD AND ARM HOLDINGS PRODUCT RELEASES AND A NEW 3nm PLANT BEING BUILT BY TSMC TO BE PRODUCTION READY IN THIS SAME TIME FRAME. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/27/18 at 05:59:12 https://hothardware.com/news/banana-pi-server http://https://hothardware.com/ContentImages/NewsItem/46690/content/small_24-Core-Arm-Computer-Motherboard.jpg The video immediately below shows the 24 each Cortex A-35 cores of the Socionext server board being fully utilized while building the Linux kernel. This task simply shows all 24 cores can be loaded to the max using Ubuntu 18.4 LTS software while doing a major Linux kernel build, not that you would ever have to do that particular task. A simple finned heat sink with no fan is all they are using with it right now, and the heat sink fins are only like 3/8" tall with NO COOLING FAN NEEDED. The cores (lithography unknown) are clocked at 1 ghz per core, steady state. If utilized, they ramp up to 1 ghz and stay there for moderate cooling load purposes as you already get 2x the throughput of an Intel system and there is no reason seen to clock it higher and require a bunch of fans or other esoteric cooling. Liquid water and fan cooling could easily run it on up to 2-3 ghz, for example, but nobody sees a need for that right now and the BIOS currently does not support those speeds anyway right now either. The Cortex A-35 super efficiency core is being used for a reason, not for speed but for the absolute lowest current draw and absolute best battery life. Right now the full out 1ghz current draw for all 24 cores is a whopping 5 watts of power consumption. Running it faster eats more energy and makes excess heat --- i.e. by definition "more inefficient". https://youtu.be/EbYI9f-KeDk it is a video, click on it Watching the files roll down the screen also gives you an idea of the fairly decent response time you can get out of the Socionext 24 core ARM server doing a Linux kernel recompile job. In short, for some normal single thread single core small tasks, it might not be so world beating great when compared to power hungry Intel machines ----- but for larger tasks that can actually use the many many cores on a larger steady running job it isn't shabby at all. Using appropriate style tasks for a server, the Socionext offers 2x the performance of Intel at 60% of the energy cost ----- a big big advantage in small server space to say the least. Other tidbits about the board come from LinkedIn comments from someone named Nora, who is said to be Project Manager for Banana Pi at Foxconn. The comments claim the board supports NVMe storage and that TensorFlow (for machine learning) under Docker, Raspbian, and ROS Melodic Morenia have all been tested on the board. There is no finalized indication of pricing or availability at this time. $1200 per unit is the current talking price for a fully set up server (this is dirt cheap for a complete server of any sort). The bearded guy is real however and he comes from LENARO who is working on putting the many core arm world together with software, drivers and pre-approved hardware all tucked inside the Linux Kernel to make sure it is all instantly recognized and it all is working together properly. YES, THESE ARE LENARO REFERENCE DESIGNS, AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY. Power cost is said to be 60% of what an equivalent Intel server processor would use while turning out twice the processing throughput power of the Intel server (both doing the same workload). One assumes a particular small Intel server is being benchmarked, but which one is not stated just yet. The CES show is coming together now and these early guys are already set up and demoing to the FOSS people right now, a full week before the show starts ..... Intel is getting hurt again very very early on in the CES set up week by fast moving people slicing whole little wee chunks off their Intel market share pie using ARM technology. https://youtu.be/kIwop47HDtw it is a video, click on it https://youtu.be/4gSkTuWR2nc ==================================================== Year 2019 market loss by Intel is estimated wind up at a significant fraction of the generic yearly equipment replacement rate of 25%. To go higher than this would be a very significant occurrence indeed. Theory is that a large number of machines go obsolete and get replaced with something. To get replaced before then requires a POSITIVE PAYBACK analysis for most businesses. The little servers offer a 2 year payback on energy savings, going down to a one year payback after counting in on the much lower purchase price point, so they might move in a little faster. Fastest of all will be the hobby / enthusiast's machines which can be replaced upon some sort of perceived benefit, whether real or financial or not. So far the little ARM Cortex A-35 Socionext 24 core processor is in 5 different products that are on sale at Computex 2019. The prices vary wildly as do the boards themselves, as they are constructed differently for different applications. They all use the same chipset though, a brand new one which will come down in price tremendously if the volumes go up due to it being successful. http://https://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=arm-24core-developer&image=socio_24arm_2_med |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/27/18 at 19:21:32 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfHG7bj-CEI This is a video, click on it. You can scan to the end of each of these and just listen to the conclusions ----- I am not the only one that thinks Intel has had it and AMD is going to take 25-30% market share this upcoming year, taking yet more in 2020 and just killing it in 2021 when Intel is slated to move to 7nm, a 3 full years after everybody else and two years after the leaders are at 5nm and below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PZw75K9ydY Another video, click on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCGdGpVUnqw Another video, click on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0DUb7TO1dk Another video, click on it This last one is a brutal summary of NVIDA's marketing techniques and how he bluntly expects more of the same next year. The economic war motif that this guy espouses really rings true over the years, though. I especially like his Intel / IBM historical parallels that he likes to draw as they ring true to me also. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/29/18 at 05:21:55 BEWARE the New Unannounced Intel "new processor offerings" ........ BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN SEEING an F or a G AFTER AN INTEL PART NUMBER. It is rumored that the F means the on board graphics portion is defective and has been truncated by laser trace searing. Intel is also making large amounts of 8 core chips that have entire defective core groups. These are being sold as 6 core and 4 core part numbers with a G on the end. Intel is HURTING for raw production capability and Intel is scrounging through the scrap pile for "salable parts" ...... do you really think what they dig out of the scrap pile is going to be up to snuff on all testing items, or just "acceptable" to Intel's interim desperation standards ??? |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Eegore on 12/29/18 at 14:22:08 Where did you find the information on the F part numbers? I heard this somewhere recently but don't recall where from. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/29/18 at 14:37:53 I have been listening to a lot of panel podcasts and "presentations" on CES stuff and it was a rumor item shared in conversation on one of them. Not really reliable until it gets confirmed a few times. Intel has done this sort of stuff ongoing over the years, example when Intel supplies Apple with a brand new primo sorted processor you can count on all the ones going out to the normal fanboys during that initial time period being the "not up to Apple standards" sorted fall out group, especially right there at first. I will keep an eye out for further confirmation. |
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Title: Re: 2018 new Intel chips can't protect Specter 4 Post by Oldfeller on 12/29/18 at 15:10:40 6340484A494040495E2C0 wrote:
Confirmation item #1, it's old, but the same sorting tricks are in play. https://www.semiaccurate.com/2018/05/29/is-intels-upcoming-10nm-launch-real-or-a-pr-stunt/ |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/30/18 at 16:47:02 https://hothardware.com/news/new-intel-cpu-listings http://https://hothardware.com/ContentImages/NewsItem/46725/content/Intel_Cannon_Lake.jpg ...... my goodness that dark brown truncated bullshite smells so HORRIBLY bad ....... keep smiling, keep smiling, remember to wash my hands just as soon I get off the stage EEgore, this confirmation is fresh within the last 5 hours and covers the F designation pretty thoroughly. Intel Coffee Lake Refresh Enthusiast Core i9 CPUs With 8 And 6-Core Variants Break Cover Computer users looking to build some high-powered gaming rigs will soon have some new Intel processors to choose from which has recently shown up in online listings. These new processors slot into the Coffee Lake Refresh family, and there are four new SKUs to look forward to. The parts include eight-core Core i9-9900KF and a Core i7-9700KF processors along with six-core Core i5-9600KF and Core i5-9400F processors. Listings for these parts have turned up on Newegg and Synnex (among others), although some of these listing have been removed at the time of writing (likely at the behest of Intel). Note that all four of the new CPUs end with an F designator, something that Intel traditionally uses to specify chips that lack integrated graphics. That nomenclature leads to the thought that these parts are all aimed at enthusiast systems that will be relying on discrete graphics cards. Considering that most enthusiasts wouldn't dare try to do these tricks with Intel's integrated GPUs, this is a way for Intel to market CPUs that otherwise would have been ditched due to defective GPU cores. The page listings call out support for all the chips with the existing 300-series mainboards. As for specifications, here's what we're dealing with: Core i9-9900KF: eight cores, 95W TDP, clock frequencies of 3.6/5.0 GHz, and 16MB L3 cache Core i7-9700KF: eight cores, 95W TDP, clock frequencies of 3.6/4.9 GHz, and 12MB of L3 cache Core i5-9600KF: six cores, 95W TDP, clock frequencies of 3.7/4.6 GHz, and 9MB L3 cache Core i5-9400F: six cores, 65W TDP, clock frequencies of 2.9/4.1GHz, and 9MB L3 cache OK, the original rumor was that Intel had made a large run of 8 core chipsets with a naggingly bad failure rate. But by slipping an F on at the end Intel could laser off the non-functional graphics section, and then by applying a G1 or a G2 to the wafer tray and to the boxing containing the separated chips were teed up to be laser burned and post sorted for cutting out the graphics section and for cutting off one (or two) defective processor core groupings, making the 8 core chipset into an impromptu 6 core or even all the way down to a 4 core no graphics variant, these being variants that simply didn't exist before. New part numbers had to be created and advertising for the new variants had to be pushed out through the system. This is the activity that we are seeing now. Please note that some of these variants will still draw full support power for the items that are lasered off -- and that they might also have issues with missed processing clock cycles that will cause them to run more slowly as truncation activities seldom get off scott free as the chips are still scheduled as if whole. Thus Intel will be able to sell the large number of defectives as "good to use" for gamer fans to use in Intel systems with big video cards. Being Intel, they will likely try to sell them at a premium price since they "are for gamers only". In fact they are SUB-STANDARD products that will suck full power while performing poorly. ::) Duh, buy AMD gamer boys and girls, buy AMD ...... =================================================== More confirmations on the F designation ...... https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i9-9900kf-i7-9700kf-i5-9600kf-i5-9400f-prices,38284.html Recent rumors claim that Intel is planning to expand its 9th-generation family of Intel Core processors with up to six new chips that lack the integrated Intel UHD Graphics 630 (GT2) iGPU, as denoted by an "F" suffix on the product name. Now major Norwegian and Finnish computer hardware retailers have listed four unannounced Intel 9th-generation Coffee Lake Refresh processors: The Intel Core i9-9900KF, Core i7-9700KF, Core i5-9600KF, and Core i5-9400F. The Intel Core i9-9900K, Core i7-9700K, Core i5-9600K, Core i3-9350K, and Core i5-9400 have purportedly been chosen to receive the treatment. It's not unusual to find an Intel HEDT (High End Desktop) or Xeon processor without integrated graphics. The reasoning being that if a consumer has the budget to pick up one of those chips, they would probably pair it with a discrete graphics card. However, it's pretty rare to see a mainstream Intel processor that doesn't have onboard graphics. The last time Intel released a chip of this class without integrated graphics was back in the good old Sandy Bridge days with the Intel Core i5-2550K. The incredibly complex chip manufacturing process isn't perfect, so many processors come off the production line with defects. Intel can simply disable cores on a chip, instead selling it as a lower-end model, if a defect lands in a core. It stands to reason, then, that selling chips without integrated graphics would allow Intel to sell chips with defects in the graphics units. That would certainly help as Intel grapples with an ongoing shortage of 14nm manufacturing capacity. It is unlikely that these new chips normally come on a die that lacks integrated graphics, largely due to the expense of designing and fabricating an entirely new die. |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 12/30/18 at 19:42:27 What is the attitude showing from the computer press folks and the review folks in the days rolling up to CES? I am reminded of Game of Thrones where Intel and its paid reviewers are out in the gladiatorial ring circled around by an angry crowd of spectators --- angry angry people edging down out of the stands who are fingering their swords and spears looking for some excuse to attack ..... jest a waiting for Intel to screw it up yet again ..... |
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Title: Re: 2018 -- new Intel failures & sucesses Post by Oldfeller on 01/08/19 at 10:02:11 https://liliputing.com/2019/01/windows-10-will-set-aside-reserved-storage-for-more-reliable-updates.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/reserved-storage-680x517.jpg OK, Mickey says you have been crowding him out of his "comfortable" hard drive leg room, so now Mickey is just gonna jest TAKE what he wants for leg room, reserve it and make it "unavailable" to you, Mr. User. So there !!!! Put that in your pipe and smoke it !!!! ::) |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Eegore on 01/09/19 at 16:33:50 If they know the updates are going to use space coming up isn't it proactive to reserve that space ahead of time? My understanding is the updates are no longer optional so if you don't have the space your PC becomes unusable, but I may be wrong. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/09/19 at 19:11:52 Worse yet, Mickey will attempt to clean off "unused software" based upon the longest time a file has been unused to create the needed reserved space, automatically. I wonder how that automatic clean off of unused software is gonna go ...... "I am Mickey, I need 7.6 gigabytes of new drive space today for "MS RESERVE" ....... this machine only has 3.2 gigabytes free ....... searching ...... searching ....... MS records indicate that MS has never read / have never utilized this block of dual boot Linux files since MS Windows 10 was original installed ....... searching ...... searching ........ Linux files are not listed as authorized software ....... delete, delete, delete all unauthorized software ....... <poof> Now you see why I recommend getting Mickey off the Linux machine totally. He is a sloppy piggish land grabbing bad actor on a shared hard drive machine. Dual booting now becomes a RISK that you are taking, with MS grabbing space automatically and killing any unlisted drivers or unrecognized software files . :P Next point to make, Linux is quite SMALL compared even to the Reserve Drive Space that MS now requires this being all the new space that Mickey needs to roll his fat arse over in the bed while he is updating at night. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/10/19 at 09:29:55 Visual comparison between "10nm" and 14nm laptop low end chipsets from Intel and a slightly better 12nm product from AMD. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/ice-lake_01-680x515.jpg bigger rectangular silicon from Intel held in a man's larger hand http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/ryzen-3-chiplet.jpg smaller square silicon from AMD with a much better GPU in it held in a woman's much smaller hand In truth, there really isn't much to pick between these first samples shown --- except one of them costs a lot less than the other (and the cheap one has better graphics to boot). CES disappointments ...... Intel managed to NOT shoot itself in the foot --- instead they only vaguely promised SOME 10nm things that might happen by 2019 year's end and they COULD do some of these things if it all worked out right. Remember, the downgraded Intel 10nm is more like 11-12nm at the moment based on what Intel is currently doing with their old "upgraded" production equipment. 2 days later it was time for the AMD keynote presentation, and Lisa Su at AMD came out with only mildly OVERMATCHING claims, claiming lower power draw and improved performance over Intel's most recent claims for their new "planned" future Intel items. Real difference is AMD's new stuff starts rolling out late this month and finishes rolling out in 3-4 months (mainly because it is due to be replaced by the NEW new AMD 7nm processors built by TSMC by the second half of the year). Intel's current fairy tales don't even get told until the last months of 2019 and they likely won't be close to real even then. While still moderately beating out Intel's somewhat lackluster future promises that were made early this week, the AMD CES show responses made during the keynote are nowhere near as good as what AMD could have proposed using strictly TSMC 7nm production processes but when offered the chance to "sufficiently outdo" Intel and still maintain additional profit margins by mainly using Global Foundries at 12nm, well, AMD took that opportunity that was offered up by Intel's general production weakness. First users know they will always pay a premium for TSMC's state of the art processes, we all know that. AMD will now fall into the next year's big 7nm push group at TSMC and now AMD runs the risk of not getting all the production slots they could have had very early this year, but by not paying the premium prices AMD may well have made the better choice for their company's financial picture. 2019 is likely going to be a bad year for the electronics industry in general ..... a very bad year may be coming for memory producers because of gross oversupply & overbuild that took place late last year. Apple is not paying out a bunch of $$$ for TSMC 5nm new lines and all the associated process development for next year, Apple simply is in no shape to do that right now as iPhone sales are tanking. Samsung has had their 5nm line for a while already and is already making simple 5nm memory at a rapid rate to prove their 5nm line out, running full runs at 5mn and doing some small runs at 3nm on certain simple memory types. IBM just contracted with Samsung to make their 5nm chipsets for IBM, and the pair already had a 7nm agreement in place from 2 years ago so that is currently a go as well. Samsung and TSMC are both making 7nm and 5nm at this time for revenue generation purposes, so these node points are both real and practical at both locations. Now things will likely calm down a bit in computer land ........ folks may linger a bit longer at 12nm until Intel actually really makes something better in real volume production numbers, then TSMC and Samsung will be rolled out to beat Intel's best. But right now, since Intel can't even actually make the 14nm chips they have already sold there is no immediate big push to drop below 12nm by Intel's competitors ...... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/13/19 at 14:10:26 https://liliputing.com/2019/01/cpu-shortages-and-trade-wars-contributing-to-declining-pc-shipments-according-to-idc-and-gartner.html CPU shortages and Trump trade wars contributing to declining PC shipments (according to IDC and Gartner) In what’s become a familiar set of headlines in recent years, market research firms IDC and Gartner have put out a pair of press releases showing that PC shipments in the fourth quarter of 2018 were down from the same period a year earlier… and that overall PC shipments in 2018 were lower than in 2017. What’s new are the explanations — although it’s always best to take those with a grain of salt, since they’re basically (highly) educated guesses. In a nutshell, the firms suggest that shortages of Intel CPUs and mounting tensions between the US and China have led to supply chain issues and a dip in demand for Chinese products sold in the US. Gartner also suggests holiday computer sales didn’t seem to have the same impact they have in previous years, and according to one Gartner analyst, they’re “no longer a major factor driving consumer demand for PCs.” That said, it looks like sales to small and medium businesses were strong, as companies look to upgrade their PCs to Windows 10 machines ahead of the January, 2020 when Windows 7 will officially reach end of life status. While IDC and Gartner’s exact numbers differ a bit, both seem to agree that Lenovo has overtaken HP as the top PC vendor in terms of shipments, which means that the top 5 now looks like this: Lenovo HP Dell Apple Acer Everyone else Lenovo and HP together have nearly 50 percent of the market, with Dell, Apple, and Acer coming in decent third, fourth, and fifth place. It’s possible things could look different in 2019 as Intel addresses its CPU shortage issues… or as PC makers consider switching to AMD or ARM processors for at least some models. It is interesting to note though, that while AMD made some big announcements at CES last week, there weren’t many new AMD-powered computers at the show, and I didn’t see a single new Windows-on-ARM devices… although CES isn’t as much of a computer show as it once was. If this entire Intel AMD ARM struggle currently going on gets framed by this shrinking market into a simple struggle over the 25% yearly replacement market, then the money being spent by these folks on competing with each other will decline drastically. Intel isn't competing with anybody, they act like they own the place already. Heck, maybe they do in as much as they lost their proportional chunk of market share last year and are keying up to lose another proportional chunk like it really doesn't matter to them very much. I mean really Intel's worst foe right now is INTEL manufacturing, which is shutting itself down for upgrades, upgrades which are so weak at this time as to be already overcome by AMD right now before they are even completed. In a market place roiled by Trump's trade wars and Intel chip shortages AMD is being all level headed, acting very carefully not extending themselves out too far in case of some sort of market correction takes place and staying well within the bounds of REAL reality in all their announcements, giving out information only when they already firmly know they can do it and announcing the new stuff only when they are ready to actually begin doing it. AMD is rationing out their progress, able to do this since they have Intel on the ropes already. AMD realizes they are only going to get the unit replacement market share of 25% per annum and to take more than this is unrealistic (and it is potentially dangerous to AMD to try to knock off even more of Intel's share as it could lead to an overall market reversal or a form of complete collapse quite easily) AMD can offer some strong products that are reasonably priced and EARN more market share by making it clear to Big Business that the simple energy savings in rack space are offering a one year payback on new equipment --- but for this to actually happen would still be quite remarkable. BTW, ARM HOLDINGS looks to be going after this energy payback approach already ........ so AMD has to beat out both Intel and ARM in this arena to slice off even bigger pie in 2019. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/13/19 at 14:46:42 http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/ryzen-3-chiplet.jpg Lisa Su's dirty little "secret sandbagging" during her CES presentation. Lisa held up a TSMC 7nm lithography Vega 10 unit APU (complete with enlarged AI block and wider data paths) matched up with a TSMC 7nm lithography 8 core CPU block and then simply didn't say one more word about it. All she spoke to was a mild one upping of the rather disappointing 11-12nm Intel "10nm" performance as promised by Intel in the "end of 2019 in the far distant future". Lisa Su was simply doing some classical sandbagging, in other words ....... One potential reason for this sandbagging reticence is large existing stocks of older AMD units that are not moving as quickly as were originally hoped ---- upgrading your own inventory for the 3rd time in two years might tend to hurt your own financials if that is done in a precipitous fashion. AMD needs to sell off their channel full of old stuff before replacing it whole hog with much more desirable items. Once the much better stuff is out all demand for the older style stuff ends abruptly ...... Intel's ongoing production shortfalls will continue to move AMD's older units (especially when the older units are properly priced) but it needs some time to work it all through as the whole PC market is somewhat soft at the moment. TSMC will also get even better at 7nm full production during the meantime, increasing AMD's production yields and lowering the net price per wafer accordingly. AMD can also continue to work on their 5nm stuff, getting it ready as well. 7nm is likely to be a short lived node anyway since the same equipment can run 5nm parts ...... this is both known and proven real by both TSMC and Samsung who already own the direct burn EUV lines that can do this trick. Note please that Samsung and IBM just made a contract to run IBM's 5nm stuff at Samsung, this 5nm agreement is about the same cooperative agreement as they inked 2 years ago about 7nm lithography. =================================================== https://www.anandtech.com/show/13829/amd-ryzen-3rd-generation-zen-2-pcie-4-eight-core Further "confusions" stemming from Lisa Su's presentation at CES When Lisa shows the silicon set and talks about APUs coming out now and again in mid year she is showing and talking APUs (combined graphics and processing units). These are the new AMD laptop chipsets that are rolling out right now as we speak ...... When she is talking Mattisse, that is a desktop set up has no graphics unit in the big chip per se ....... it is a desktop processor that always has 1 each 8 core 7nm CPU chiplet built at TSMC. Mattisse can then have a larger lithography 12-14nm I/O chiplet that is built at Global due to production constraints (or lower pricing, got to remember that). The Mattisse CPU core chiplets are always the same 7nm TSMC as in APU, but the I/O chiplet on Mattisse is much much simpler and can be done at older lesser lithography levels very easily. Remember, Mattisse and APU both swing two core filled die sets at this time, one is an I/O (and always has the on die rapid access buffer memory in it). In the APU case the big chiplet includes Vega graphics cores (up to 10 of them). In the Mattisse case the big chiplet does not include any graphics, just I/O and rapid access buffer memory. http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13829/cpu33_575px.jpg Confusing? Oh my yes -- now take these scenarios and add it to your confusion. A failed sorted APU unit may be sorted and sold as a Mattisse graphic-less variant with the failed graphics seared off. On the 7nm Cpu chiplet side, sorted small CPU chiplets may have 1-4 non-functional compute cores seared off as well. In full complexity of sorting, an I/O chip may start out intended as a 7nm TSMC based APU with up to 10 Vega graphics cores and an AI block inside the larger I/O chiplet on an AM4 socket silicon with 8 cores of 7nm TSMC CPU cores inside the smaller chiplet, and these CPU cores can be seared off as well to potentially lose all the the graphics and also lose one or more CPU cores in sorting. So you got variants possible that have had graphics but lost them and had up to 8 compute CPU cores but lost some of those. Or the variant can be built on purpose to never have had them in the first place if the demand is there and there aren't enough sorted units to meet the need. ::) WHAT IS LEFT HAS NOT BEEN SHOWN AND EXISTS ONLY OUT THERE IN THE FUTURE (for sometimes for when Lisa Su decides it is needed). http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13829/cpu44_575px.jpg This is the 12-16 core cpu (dual CPU chiplet) variant that is NOT NEEDED right now to keep up with Intel's best of the best i7-9970 8 core chipset --- Intel tops out at 8 cores in consumer at the moment and AMD will be content to outdo 8 core Intel using 8 better 7nm cores from TSMC. This 12-16 core variant will not exist in Consumer until Intel actually goes there inside normal consumer computing. NOTE: This variant technically already exists in Server space, where Intel already has 16 cores per die (with 2 separate sockets per motherboard) and AMD has up to 32 cores per die right now using the chiplet technology (but it is on the larger single Epic server die set and socket scenario). Intel is the one who likes to plug their old server die sets and sockets into Consumer space, they have done it several times already. So far AMD likes to re-use the AM4 socket die set over and over, using smaller and smaller TSMC lithography in roughly the same sized chiplets to make it work again and again and again -- filling the space up with more and more cores as the lithography shrinks happen. 5nm chiplets are certainly out there in the future on the AM4 socket die, this is a no brainer coming from AMD. Core counts will likely start at 8 and go to 16 and mebbe go to 32 potentially when 3nm comes around, all staying in the AM4 socket size. The AMD Epic server socket and die also will roll out with 5nm and 3nm chiplets when those waves begin, but your guess is as good as mine as to what the core counts will eventually be. Many many, obviously --- 64 cores being the most likely next expansion. Intel re-dies and re-busses their old motherboards at a bi-yearly pace, while AMD shows repeatedly they can use the same board and the same socket with just a BIOS refresh. ;) |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/16/19 at 08:42:37 Intel is getting its ass kicked by Lisa Su and AMD. Wall Street is noticing this, very much so. Wall Street is saying Intel must hire a visionary that can lead the company out of their mediocrity swamp and get back into high success levels again. Wall Street suggests Intel open up their wallet and buy AMD and Lisa Su. This is a stupid suggestion because the only reason Intel even grants AMD a x86 license year after year is that Intel REQUIRES a competitor or else they are a monopoly and then Intel gets shut down and split up by Federal Regulatory Agencies. The backup recommendation is to just hire Lisa Su. This cripples AMD and give Intel what they need in a leader while staying away from AntiTrust actions by the US gov. Intel has been hiring all the next level down visionaries from AMD recently, and that is likely to continue. Intel is learning that the AMD culture grows up and consistently promotes visionary people, but the Intel culture squelches them as soon as they show up at Intel ...... All of Intel's innovations of late have come from copying AMD and using ARM technology in the same fashions. Goose that lays the golden eggs ....... read the fairy tale, Intel. =================================================== https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-oregon-factory-7nm-euv,38482.html With TSMC, AMD, Samsung, IBM, Qualcomm, Mediatek and Huawei already at 7nm with strong plans to move into 5nm production late this year, Intel has just mildly disrupted its own 14nm sales plan (such as it was due to lack of available chip production capacity) with this late, really really late breaking REALLY late news flash ...... Intel is announcing they are planning on building a brand new building in Oregon to house their 7nm production processes. Ground breaking will supposedly take place later on this year with tentative "building completion in late 2020 with the initial production line to start late in that same year or in early 2021". Once again, when this happens 2 years from now Intel's 7nm will be showing up just in time for everybody else to be starting up their 3nm lines because 5nm will have been in place at TSMC and Samsung in production for almost a full 2 years by then. Yep, both Samsung and TSMC are running full back-to-back lots of memory products at 5nm right now to gain some real world experience before beginning their first 5nm SoC production runs later on this year. ::) And Huawei just announced their first 7nm "Intel Xenon competitive" 64 core 2.65 ghz speed stock ARM designed rackspace chipset (same stuff that Qualcomm piloted last year, just being done by somebody else at 7nm using the readily licensed box stock ARM reference designs). |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/22/19 at 22:42:00 Some late night musing on the tech company year end roll ups given out in the last few weeks. The overall tenor of the financial reports is very muted and very careful. Tech overall looks to have a sub flat year for the first half of 2019, with financial warning flags being flown by TSMC and APPLE and everyone in between. Shipments and earnings will be down, sharply. Look to see people throughout the infrastructure to be buying on price/performance, not just pure performance. Things look right grim for the overly pricey Intel stuff. TSMC says they will ship only half the volume in first half of 2019 compared to what they did last year. It may be better stuff, but there will be less of it shipped. Also look to see everyone diligently search for COST ADVANTAGES over their competitors --- rolling products back to older cheaper lithography levels may become a repeated theme in 2019 as COST becomes KING. Look to see smaller companies playing "skip this current node, jump to the next after this one when it gets cheap enough" sorts of thinking again, especially over in the Orient. Choosing to stay where you are until it PAYS you to move again will become the new normal. TRYING TO SURVIVE will be the name of the game for most small players, and many of them simply won't make it. TSMC and Samsung have already bought the direct burn EUV production lines to go to 7nm, it is the same equipment that does 5nm memory right now and these lines are kept busy proving themselves out in 5nm memory production at both TSMC and Samsung. This "over produced lots of 5nm memory will further depress the general pricing for memory products but those new lines simply have to run flat out producing something that can be sold just to make the payments on the new equipment. As cheaper, better memory becomes more readily available, look to see builders use more forms of fast memory as it is a good way to build up some extra speed at "the same cost as what you were buying before". Machine vendors are building alternative AMD mother boards for many existing laptop products so they can buy less expensive processors and components. AMD style APU products will be preferred for this sort of thing as they are lower cost by their very nature. I am watching new Chromebooks rolling over to AMD laptop APU processors in bulk as they are less expensive to make (they also have better performance, but that isn't why they are taking over, COST is the real driver here). Remember, you can get nearly twice as many 5nm chiplets out of a wafer compared to 10nm chiplets. So watch AMD optimize on this trick and roll over to 5nm as the total production of everything else drops sharply to free up the newest TSMC EUV equipment ...... 7nm might be a very short lived node because the EUV production lines can make more money making a lot more 5nm chiplets on the same number of wafers than running the same wafers of 7nm chiplets. COST is KING, remember. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/23/19 at 22:37:43 https://liliputing.com/2019/01/toshiba-begins-sampling-ufs-3-0-storage-faster-storage-for-smartphones.html http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/ufs.jpg?resize=694%2C500&ssl=1 Remember when I told you that a full size bootable 512 gigabyte chip-based hard drive could fit on a single chip now-a-days? Toshiba and Samsung are bringing them to market this year, and while the first ones will be quite pricey but in the years following you will see folks selling single expansion slot card "hard drives" that will plug fast memory hard drives into our older PC machines for something in the price range of a replacement spinning platter hard drive. Can you say "bye bye, Optane" ??? Say it quick, or miss your chance completely. =================================================== Samsung is making 1TB storage chips for phones https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/1/30/18203347/samsung-1tb-flash-memory-eufs-phones-galaxy-s10 http://https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/ApPPBXVC73FTxir52F4fbFrrSw0=/0x0:2000x1415/920x0/filters:focal(0x0:2000x1415):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/13724831/eUFS_1TB_image_02.jpg Samsung has announced that it’ll start offering the world’s first 1TB eUFS (embedded Universal Flash Storage) solution for phone manufacturers, with mass production already underway. This means that phones will be able to have one terabyte of storage with a single flash memory chip. Samsung memory marketing VP Cheol Choi says in a statement that the 1TB eUFS is “expected to play a critical role in bringing a more notebook-like user experience to the next generation of mobile devices.” It’s the same package size as Samsung’s previous 512GB unit and has read speeds of up to 1,000 megabytes a second; that’s 10 times the speed of a typical microSD card, according to Samsung. This is what 5nm memory smells like ....... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/24/19 at 02:19:14 https://www.notebookcheck.net/When-cheaper-is-faster-Core-i5-HP-EliteBook-x360-1030-G3-convertible-outperforms-the-Core-i7-SKU-by-10-percent.397181.0.html Buyer Beware of Intel latest Gen i7 and i9 chipsets -- they REALLY DO throttle down to sub i5 performance levels when installed in a laptop product ...... Nonetheless, we discovered some odd performance results between the two HP SKUs we tested. More specifically, the Core i7-8650U SKU would have slower CPU performance than the Core i5-8250U SKU. CineBench R15 Multi-Thread reveals that the Core i5 SKU can be 10 percent faster than the Core i7 SKU (493 points vs. 447 points). A potential culprit could be throttling especially when dealing with small and super-thin convertibles such as our HP. To test this, we ran CineBench R15 Multi-Thread in a loop on each system with our results graphed below. Throttling occurs on each SKU and so the processors are fastest during the first benchmark loop before steadily declining thereafter. What's interesting, however, is that the Core i5 SKU manages to consistently outperforms the Core i7 SKU even after taking into account the throttling. The takeaway message here is that the performance delta between Core i5 and Core i7 Kaby Lake-R can be very minuscule and variable depending on the system and implementation. In this case, users would be better off purchasing the Core i5 EliteBook x360 1030 G3 instead of the Core i7 option while saving a couple hundred dollars in the process. This isn't the only case where we discovered faster performance from a cheaper Core i5 machine. The ThinkPad X1 Tablet exhibits similar results between its i5 and i7 SKUs as well. =================================================== First two AMD APU equipped laptops from HP are selling for an average $200 cheaper than the current Intel "kinda equivalent". (and please note the AMD APU laptop units have much better built in graphics than Intel's best) ::) |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/24/19 at 11:40:12 https://newatlas.com/ibm-5-nm-transistors-chip/49872/ IBM's new 5nm architecture crams 30 billion transistors onto fingernail-sized chip http://https://img.newatlas.com/ibm-5nm-1.jpg?auto=format%2Ccompress&ch=Width%2CDPR&fit=crop&h=347&q=60&rect=0%2C170%2C1617%2C910&w=616&s=61ba52940d3c90c10ee318bf491d58a8 As always, the march of technology never stops, and in 2015 IBM unveiled a 7nm test chip, developed in conjunction with GlobalFoundries and Samsung. This prototype crammed some 20 billion transistors onto a fingernail-sized chip, thanks to some new manufacturing tricks and materials, and they're expected to be rolled out on a commercial scale in about 2019. Now, the same group of companies has unveiled the next step beyond that. With individual switches just 5 nm in diameter, an extra 10 billion of them can be squeezed onto a chip the same size. While current manufacturing techniques could potentially shrink down to the 5 nm scale, the team instead developed a brand new "mixed lithography size" architecture as their initial move. This will be needed until 5nm radios, etc. get the needed approvals from regulatory bodies. Semiconductors have been made using the FinFET architecture since about 2011. As its name suggests, these transistors are fin-shaped, with three current-carrying channels surrounded by an insulating layer. But, as often happens with technology, this structure is starting to bump up against the limits of how small it can be scaled, and the IBM team says shrinking the fins any further won't do much to improve their performance. http://https://img.newatlas.com/ibm-5nm-2.jpg?auto=format%2Ccompress&ch=Width%2CDPR&fit=max&q=60&w=616&s=b1b54af575285a5d913dcf08a86f7bf2 Picture is existing finFET with 3 gates Instead, the 5 nm chips are made using stacked silicon nanosheets, which can send signals through four gates at once, instead of FinFET's three. They're created using Extreme Ultraviolet (EUV) lithography, a process that writes patterns on a silicon wafer using a much higher energy wavelength of light than the current technique. That means finer details can be created on the chip, and unlike existing lithography processes, the chips' power and performance can be adjusted continuously during manufacturing. Compared to the current 10 nm chips, the 5 nm prototypes are capable of improving performance by 40 percent at fixed power, or provide a power saving of 75 percent at matched performance. Samsung is running the test wafers off on their newest ASML lines and IBM is providing the intellectual chops for the research and tuning. Global Foundries is providing enough 12nm off-load capability for making enough off-load production "room" possible at Samsung so they can isolate one of their new ASMLlines to the research. 5nm is real, right now. These are the very first complex CPUs to run on 5nm. 5nm will ramp up over the next 2 years to be the mainline CPU processing technology used by Samsung, Global and IBM. So, 5nm is running memory flat out and now 5nm has made trial lots of complex CPUs for IBM and Samsung. Expect to see TSMC and Apple opt for a slightly different form of 5nm that they have yet to trial build or attempt to develop fully. Or, failing this TSMC will license the IBM patents (which they have done before when Apple wasn't able to get their version to fly well back at 10nm). Expect TSMC to be somewhat late to 5nm compared to the rest or else TSMC may simply repeat their past pattern and leap-frog on down to 3nm ahead of the others instead. Also note that yesterday after trading INTEL instantly lost 6% of its stock price ....... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/25/19 at 06:25:10 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-earnings-4q-2018-desktop-shortage,38499.html Intel Misses Revenue Targets and Issues Weak Outlook Intel released its full-year and fourth quarter 2018 financial results today. Overall, the company posted yet another full-year revenue record of $70.8 billion, but its fourth-quarter performance fell short of analyst projections. The company also presented lower-than-expected guidance for 2019. Intel's CEO search was top-of-mind as rampant speculation led many to believe that company would appoint its next leader during the earnings call. Unfortunately, Intel's interim-CEO Bob Swan dashed those hopes by saying the company is still searching for the right candidate, saying "I am convinced the board will close on a new CEO in the near future. In the meantime, we will not be distracted by the void." Intel's notebook volumes dropped 10%, and desktop volume also fell 7% compared to the prior quarter, though the company has increased notebook volume by 4% overall compared to 2017. Desktops didn't fare as well, with a 6% decline in volume YoY, largely offset by an 11% increase in the average selling price (ASP). Intel's growth in the data center segments cooled off, which the company attributed to large orders being processed earlier in the year finally being deployed. Industry analysts reported large orders earlier in the year as Chinese data centers built up stockpiles amid the looming threat of a trade war, so it's logical to assume that much of the new deployments come from that existing stock. Slumping NAND prices hurt the Nonvolatile Storage Group's (NSG) profitability, so its 25% revenue growth on the year merely brought the unit to the break-even point. Intel CEO Bob Swan acknowledged that Micron had formally moved to purchase Intel's share in the IM Flash Technologies joint venture. Intel and Micron jointly produce NAND and 3D XPoint (Optane) memory through this venture, but Swan noted Intel has its own production facilities and long-term supply agreements with Micron that extend beyond the termination of the partnership. Intel's projections for $16 billion in revenue for Q1 2019 is essentially flat year over year, and it projects a 1% gain in revenue to $71.58 billion in 2019. Overall the company's record results and 2019 outlook are viewed as somewhat tepid in the investor community. Intel cited increased competition in several of its segments, along with the other factors listed above, as headwinds going into 2019, but didn't specifically mention AMD as the source. Yeah, and you just dumped off 10% of your stock price within a 36 hour period, too ..... ::) |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/25/19 at 14:47:32 https://liliputing.com/2019/01/intel-expects-chip-shortage-to-end-by-mid-2019-will-focus-on-high-end-processors-for-now.html OW !!!! That after hours stock price drop must have really really smarted !!! Trot out that interim CEO Swan YET AGAIN and re-use those slides from last weeks quarterly earnings call and go over "our plan" all over again and let's see if them stupid stock holder mullets will swallow that BS stink bait pill all over again and let's see if mebbe they can keep it down this time ...... BE ALL REASSURING and strong for them ...... they are acting sorta scared and timid and some are actually starting selling their Intel stock. http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/ice-lake-1.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 "The shortages were and are the most pronounced in the value end of the PC market, as Intel’s strategy is to prioritize Xeon chips for servers—where there are “no shortages,” Swan said—and so-called “big core” products at the high end of the PC market. So, our “Big core” chips like the Core i9 will be prioritized over “small core,” mid-range processors, followed by the cheapest “value” chips. That story helps explain why small companies are having a very hard time getting their hands on Gemini Lake processors and are considering AMD chips as alternatives or are simply limiting their production (the way GPD has only promised to sell 2,000 units of their upcoming GPD microPC in the first few months — the company says it doesn’t expect to be able to produce more units until June just because they can't get any more Intel chips). This obviously presents a big opportunity for AMD to eat into Intel’s market share for entry and mid level devices ...... Intel is saying they don't care about those lower end markets any more (they are apparently being considered already lost by Intel's brass, apparently). The AMD laptop APU units that first showed up at HP this week are selling for $200 off the Intel identical sister product that isn't really available for much at the moment anyway ..... so heck yeah they are going to lose that section of market share -- pronto. What interim CEO Swan conveniently leaves off is the fact that AMD Epyc chipsets ARE KILLING INTEL in the upper end server market and over in the Chinese Oriental spaces Huawei has their own 64 core ARM based chipsets that are doing very well and China also have their own domestically produced and fully legally licensed AMD derivative rack space chipsets that are filling all of China's governmental orders. Intel simply isn't selling near as much big stuff in the Far East as they used to. ;) So, Intel ....... is this Ice Lake stuff referring to the stuff that is supposed to going to be built in your brand new building that won't even be built yet whenever these chips are promised to be shipping in finished units? Or are these just the crappy low yield 11-12nm stuff that you are just calling 10nm that you plan to build on your old known to be incapable equipment -- try try trying again for like the 15th time? =================================================== https://www.techspot.com/news/78452-amd-next-12-core-cpu-appears-benchmark-database.html As Intel reels from their overnight stock price drop, the very next day after the Intel acting CEO reassures the stockholders with a new show and tell ...... then somebody at AMD goes and leaks the benchmarks for a 12 core Ryzen 3000 Matisse desktop chipset that murderalizes Intel i7's best and equals the current i9 series chipsets ..... and there is the possibility of a 16 core AMD Matisse as well. What this leak does tell us is that AMD is developing mainstream Ryzen processors with two 8-core dies, and that means they will almost certainly release 12-core and 16-core Ryzen processors sometime in the not-too-distant future. Rock Salt when rubbed in fresh wounds kinda smarts bad, boys, it really really does smart bad ....... Being kinda cruel, ain't ya? |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/29/19 at 08:34:09 https://www.extremetech.com/computing/284528-intels-10nm-cannon-lake-core-i3-8121u-finally-gets-a-review https://www.anandtech.com/show/13405/intel-10nm-cannon-lake-and-core-i3-8121u-deep-dive-review https://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-details-first-10nm-cannon-lake-chip-coming-first-to-lenovo-ideapad-330/ http://https://www.extremetech.com/g00/3_c-6bbb.jcywjrjyjhm.htr_/c-6RTWJUMJZX77x24myyux78x3ax2fx2fbbb.jcywjrjyjhm.htrx2fbu-htsyjsyx2fzuqtfix78x2f7564x2f56x2f650173-195c890.uslx3fn65h.rfwpx3dnrflj_$/$/$/$/$/$ Yep, the "wonderful new Intel 10nm" is second to the bottom -- almost dead last --- only winning one slot above a dated and faded AMD "Internet of Things" Chromebook chipset. Yes, sadly Intel 14nm still clearly outperforms Intel's 10nm on both throughput and power consumption, while Ryzen 3 kicks all of Intel's various sorts and kinds of old lithography types in the arse quite soundly. AMD and TSMC are getting better at over twice the rate that Intel is "claiming" that they are going to do, and are actually getting better like 5 times faster than Intel actually ever achieves ...... What can be said for the Future of Intel 10nm processors as tested in a Lenovo product that also comes in other Intel 14nm chipset forms for easy and accurate comparisons? A very fair "Apples to Apples comparison" is very easily do-able in this case and it has been done by all three reporting bodies. Intel 10nm SUX ROCKS big time ....... Do not buy it !!! Timing says that all three of the investigative web sites listed above all placed early orders to get a i3-8121u Intel 10nm chipped Lenovo built Ideapad so they could be the very first to review "the future of Intel as a chipmaker". The laptops all showed up at the same time and the reviews have been written up and pushed out to the public with 24 hours of each other. Do you remember me saying: Do not buy a 10nm Intel chipset !!!! yep, buy a 7nm Ryzen 3 chipset instead !!!! |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/29/19 at 20:05:03 https://www.anandtech.com/show/13904/asml-to-ship-30-euv-scanners-in-2019 What ASML ships this year is what happens to computing for the next few years, so this is worth reading. http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13904/xray.jpg yup, it is a direct burn production cell that takes the place of an entire line at the old 14nm plants ASML said last week that it planned to ship 30 extreme ultraviolet scanners in 2019, up significantly from 2018. The plan is not surprising, as demand for EUV lithography tools is rising and semiconductors manufacturers are building new fabs. In addition, ASML indicated plans to introduce a new EUV scanner that will offer a higher production throughput, the NXE: 3400C. Last year ASML shipped (only) 18 Twinscan NXE: 3400B EUV scanners. This was slightly below its expectations, to supply 20 machines. In total, as of July 2018, there were 31 EUV scanners installed at various fabs across the world, including several machines in various semiconductor research organizations, including imec. If everything goes as planned, ASML will ship more extreme ultraviolet scanners in 2019 than it did in in years before that. Samsung Foundry has already started to use ASML’s EUV equipment for production of commercial chips using its 7LPP process technology at its Fab S3. As reported, a major increase of EUV lithography use by Samsung will commence after it builds another production line in Hwaseong, which was architected for the EUV tools from the start. The fab is set to cost 6 trillion Korean Won ($4.615 billion), it is expected to be completed later this year, and start high volume manufacturing in 2020. TSMC is set to start using its Twinscan NXE scanners for commercial wafers in the second half of this year to produce chips using its N7+ manufacturing technology. Initially EUV scanners will be used for non-critical layers, but their use will be expanded at the 5 nm node in 2020 – 2021. TSMC says that virtually all customers that use its N7 fabrication process will also use its N5 technology for their next-gen chips. Demand for ASML’s Twinscan NXE tools will be further boosted by demand from Intel and SK Hynix. Intel will need EUV tools as it expands its fabs in Oregon, Israel, and Ireland. Besides, the chipmaker will need EUV scanners to equip its Fab 42 in Arizona. These factories will be used to produce chips using Intel’s 7 nm fabrication process. SK Hynix will need EUV tools for its new fab near Icheon, South Korea. And your place on the waiting list for this equipment is very important -- if you just rang in late you may wait for most of an extra year before you get your equipment. Actually, Intel hasn't actually written a P.O. for anything yet, so they are NOT EVEN ON THE WAITING LIST at this point in time. So, Intel is just BS talking about what they mebbe plan to do ..... planning on building a building that is over 2 years out and mebbe planning on ordering something to put in the building, eventually. ::) |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/31/19 at 09:34:03 Intel REACTS to the last few days of adversity .... Intel counters the fumbling image they have projected of late by going and HIRING acting CEO Swan as Intel's permanent CEO ----- this does not give him any chops as a visionary whatsoever, but it legitimizes his rule over the company's future. Intel uncorks a promised 28 core 14nm Xenon server processor to counter AMD's leaked 12 and 16 core processors in the consumer side and to try to EQUAL the 28 and 32 core Epyic server processors that AMD showed off at the last big server show. Same issues remain for Intel --- AMD is showing real "building it now" stuff and Intel is pop talking vague future plans that are predicated on new plant buildings that have not broken ground yet and completely fictional future orders for ASML EUV direct burn lithography lines that are not even PO written yet (and Intel is not even showing up on the waiting list that ASML keeps for their new built production lines). ::) :P :-/ REMEMBER --- "10nm" Intel just got reality check reviewed, and it SUX ROCKS when benchmarked by THREE DIFFERENT test houses. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/05/19 at 18:25:15 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-market-share-desktop-server-notebook,38561.html AMD Market Share Gains Accelerate in Desktop PCs, Servers and Notebooks http://https://img.purch.com/01-jpg/w/755/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS81LzgvODIxODUyL29yaWdpbmFsLzAxLkpQRw== Desktop PCs AMD now holds 15.8% of the desktop processor market, a 2.8% gain on a quarterly basis and a 3.9% year-over-year (YoY) improvement. That represents the company's largest portion of the market since the fourth quarter of 2014. Combining those statistics with the data Mercury Research has shared with us in the past, we see that AMD's rate of market share gain is accelerating, obviously propelled by strong sales during the holiday shopping season. This marks the second year in a row the company has dominated the holiday season–in 2017 the company tripled its sales on Black Friday and Cyber Monday. AMD has made several strategic moves to capture sales opportunities, but Intel's nagging processor shortages have given the company plenty of room to maneuver while competing products are either not available or selling with big markups. Notebooks Notebook processors are critical because they comprise two-thirds of the overall processor market, but AMD has been plagued by slow uptake. That tide seems to be turning as the company gained 1.3% share on the quarter and a whopping 5.3% more share YoY. That marks the company's highest percentage of the notebook market since Q3 2013. McCarron also attributed AMD's notebook growth to higher sales of low-end processors and increasing OEM adoption, but called out that Intel's supply of low-end chips suffered more in notebooks than the desktop, giving AMD a bigger boost in the notebook market. Much of this growth comes on the back of the company's Ryzen Mobile processors, but as AMD CEO Lisa Su recently told us, notebook sales take longer to build due to the plethora of OEMs and retailers involved. AMD has its second-gen Ryzen Mobile chips (codenamed Picasso) coming to market soon. Those chips come with new H-series models to attack the high end and new A-Series processors to tackle the Chromebook market, opening up two new markets. AMD also already has 33% more design wins in 2019 with OEMs, so the company is primed for more growth in 2019. Servers During the company's recent earnings call, Lisa Su said that AMD had achieved its goal to claim "mid-single-digit" data center share in 2018. Since servers don't get replaced (they roll down to do other tasks instead) normal statistical measures don't carry the same meaning in service space. Mercury Research captures all x86 server class processors in their server unit estimate, regardless of device (server, network or storage), whereas the estimated 1P [single-socket] and 2P [two-socket] TAM [Total Addressable Market] provided by IDC only includes traditional servers. We used IDC’s server forecast of the 1P and 2P server TAM of roughly 5M units to compute our server market share estimates. We believe that in Q4 2018 we achieved ~5% unit share of the 1P and 2P server market addressed by our EPYC processors (as defined by IDC). http://https://img.purch.com/capture-jpg/w/755/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS81L1IvODEyNzk5L29yaWdpbmFsL0NhcHR1cmUuSlBH The enterprise is notoriously slow to adopt new platforms, so many of AMD's early sales have been to customers evaluating the systems' suitability for long-term deployments. AMD has wisely focused its early efforts on cloud service providers because it allows potential customers to test applications with a minimum of investment. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/07/19 at 20:51:32 Intel was not alone in stumbling over 10nm. Everybody stumbled at 10nm to some degree -- Intel just got pig headed for 6 long years about going past 10nm and moving on to something better. Intel had no pressing competitor at the time and no pressing reason to spend any money on getting better. Now that reluctance is slowly evaporating and Intel is starting talking plans that lead to 7nm and possibly lower. This is good, but the timing sucks --- everyone else IS ALREADY AT 7nm and has plans to go to 5nm on CPU production starting late this year. Intel is still stuck at 14nm, has failed yet again to get their best 6th generation 10nm to work out as good as their current 14nm is doing right now and only has some 2 year out "build a new building for it in 2020" style plans for new ASLM lithography lines that they need to use to move forward. Lisa Su the visionary CEO at AMD shows real production chipsets at major shows that just EAT INTEL UP ALIVE, and smiles because she can afford to wait for her relatively tiny warehouse stocks of older chips to move on out through the sales channels before scheduling in the new much better chips as replacement inventory. This entire year is an off year for electronics, a technically void year where no one is buying very much of anything supposedly. Microsoft is giving Intel the STINKING BROWN SHITE STUDDED CROWN for this particular situation, as Intel's failures to advance their technology and their badly failed efforts in "predictive processing" have polluted the whole of computing with Meltdown and Spectre security risks that SLOWS DOWN COMPUTING AS A WHOLE BY 30% simply to partially mediate these two issues. Microsoft cannot show clean hands in this, as MS's gross programing overhead and very slow processing is another major cause of slow processing as well. Clear Linux (by the Wintel boys) is an excellent example of MS and Intel proving to themselves that they could shite can their whole historically weighted x86 stack and still be able make up a much faster, better OS out of free small and light FOSS Linux bits and pieces. Now, after having done it themselves as a trial, MS is a believer ...... Seeing what MS and Intel have done with Clear Linux, Linus Torvalds himself is rallying all the FOSS troops for a wide scale Linux clean up again -- they do this about every 8 years or so when somebody shows the main Linux boys that they have gotten slow and fat and complacent around the edges again. Last time they did this they were agreeing to mainline the faster FOSS Android code which would make the Android version into the Linux OS general standard as it was faster, neater, smaller and cleaner than the old desktop Linux code that the Distros were using at the time. Having Mickey and Chipzilla show you your sins is simply too much to take, though, so it is time to clean Linux up again ...... But once again it shows that OS lightness and speediness is currently as important as expensive hardware to get the whole show to move along quickly. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/11/19 at 06:45:04 https://liliputing.com/2019/02/now-you-can-run-linux-on-some-arm-laptops-designed-for-windows-10-on-arm.html Mildly amusing news from MS's Chromebook killer efforts from last fall Now you can run Linux on (some) ARM laptops designed for Windows 10 on ARM The first Windows 10 laptops and tablets with ARM processors shipped in 2018… to mixed reviews. The Asus NovaGo, HP Envy x2, and Lenovo Miix 630 are relatively thin and light devices with long battery life and support for 4G LTE. But they’re also relatively sluggish computers... especially when Windows has emulate x86 architecture to run software that wasn’t designed for ARM chips. But that’s Windows ....... what if you want to run a different operating system on these computers? Up until recently there hasn’t been a good way to do that since MS had blocked the boot loader to prevent second OS installations. But now the folks behind the AArch64 Laptops open source project on github have come up with a way to install Ubuntu 18.04 LTS on some of the first Windows 10 on ARM laptops. Rabid Intel Fans bought them, then didn't like them at all because they were poky slow ..... and now the rabid Intel fans want to be reselling them off to be repurposed as Linux machines. Now this is possible, finally ....... This EXACT same thing happened the last time Chromebook killers were tried out three years ago, Mickey me always forgetful boyo you ..... Your Windows 10 OS is TOO FAT and too slow (processor-wise) to work well on a cheap, thin and light notebook. You should offer these folks a completely free MS Clear Linux upgrade, they have already paid you your exorbitant Windows 10 weregild after all ..... Mickey, this also tells you what you should really be doing on the skinny end of the marketplace -- selling in Clear Linux as a value added "feature". |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/12/19 at 03:57:54 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLz8gC235i8 it is a YouTube, click on it and watch it I mentioned this when it first was announced, that Amazon was planning on dumping Intel Server Chipsets in favor of their own home grown ARM server chipsets. What was not clear at that time was that this Amazon ARM based chipset was going to be FASTER than Intel's best Xenon chipset. And it does it with ~50% less power consumed. These are the things that count the most in Server World, relative speed and power consumption. So, suddenly overnight we all realize that Amazon has suddenly become the world's largest manufacturer and user of large very powerful ARM chipsets. :o ::) :o ::) :o ::) :o ::) :o ::) :o ::) :o ::) :o ::) :o ::) :o ::) So, Google runs on their custom water cooled TPUs and Amazon runs on their custom ARM server chipsets and Microsoft runs on their ......... HUGE very expensive bone stock Xenon double socket rig ups from Intel. China has copied the Amazon chipset (Chinese industrial espionage strikes again) and is using those in China right now along with the Chinese produced AMD Epic server stuff they licensed legally from AMD like 2 years ago. Where is Intel in all of this ??? Still stuck at 14nm ....... and still making same ol' same 'ol very expensive stock Xenon double socket rig ups from the Intel Inside lovers out there. :P :-/ And Intel, who is it exactly that is going broke buying all of your expensive Xenon chipsets again? Is Mickey the only one left other than yourselves ??? ================================================== ARE THE BIG BOYS (AND THE MID-SIZED BOYS) EACH PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE VARIOUS FOSS RISC-V "FREE" NO LICENSE FEE NEEDED CHIPSETS THAT ARE BEING MADE UP BY ALL THE OTHER VARIOUS FOSS PLAYERS? Yep, they sure are. Note please that the current crop of RISK-V chips are starting out made for small, somewhat mundane functions that are often used by hard drives, routers and data switches and other "motherboard housekeeping" types of simple smaller stuff ---- small but very prevalent in large numbers in a great many different products so a whole lot of money is getting saved by using these RISC-V chipsets instead of buying Qualcomm or ARM or Broadcom branded chipsets to do these same tasks. https://riscv.org/members-at-a-glance/ ........ sure looks like they are paying close attention, doesn't it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8jqGOgCy5M ........ it is a YouTube, click on it In today's environment where COST IS KING, these RISC-V processors as done so far can be very thrifty to utilize especially over time as you only pay to develop it once and they can cost peanuts per wafer to re-produce at TSMC on programmable EUV direct burn cells. TSMC can just call up the direct burn EUV 7nm lithography program on their ASML direct burn cells and burn as many or as few wafers as you need at the moment ...... Quick Changeover Agile Production at its best. https://hackaday.com/2019/02/13/western-digital-releases-their-risc-v-cores-to-the-world/ Western Digital is PROUD to have released to FOSS all of their RISC-V chipsets that they designed and proved out in their own hard drive production. The inference is that everybody else should be doing the same required "release it to FOSS" thing with their RISC-V chipset designs, eventually building up a FOSS library of proven RISC-V chipsets that can be re-purposed or slightly modified and used for other uses. Last year, Western Digital made the amazing claim that they will transition their consumption of silicon over to RISC-V, putting one Billion RISC-V cores per year into the marketplace. This is huge news, akin to Apple saying they’re not going to bother with ARM anymore. Sure, these cores won’t necessarily be user-facing but at least we’re getting something. This could be a big thing in a few years, when somebody posts a "proven by production" laptop grade RISC-V FOSS CPU design and proves it out in production ...... ;) ================================================== Read the line of text immediately above this one, grin a little bit and read on ..... read on. It's just likely a small time bubble, a quick little time warp with "a few years" instantly passing in just a few hours. http://https://www.seeedstudio.com/media/catalog/product/cache/134ea8534034ded9d909870d8862ea94/h/t/httpsstatics3.seeedstudio.comseeedfile2018-11bazaar985199_sipeedm1wifipin.jpg https://www.seeedstudio.com/Sipeed-MAIX-I-module-WiFi-version-1st-RISC-V-64-AI-Module-K210-insid-p-3206.html $8.90 cents for a motherboard the size of a large postage stamp bearing EIGHT tiny RISC-V FOSS chiplets and a dozen accelerator blocks -- something has changed in computing land, something really basic has changed and "the freebie mix and match" is now moving along now REALLY REALLY FAST. ....... right on up your leg. :o zowie !!! The speed of these things popping up is UNREAL ---- the question being will it decimate Qualcomm and ARM in general inside a year or so because is is Free, FOSS and faster than spit in creating new products ..... Sipeed MAix: AI at the edge AI is pervasive today, from consumer to enterprise applications. With the explosive growth of connected devices, combined with a demand for privacy/confidentiality, low latency and bandwidth constraints, AI models trained in the cloud increasingly need to be run at the edge. MAIX is Sipeed’s purpose-built module designed to run AI at the edge, we called it AIoT. It delivers high performance in a small physical and power footprint, enabling the deployment of high-accuracy AI at the edge, and the competitive price make it possible embed to any IoT devices. As you see, Sipeed MAIX is quite like Google edge TPU, but it act as master controller, not an accelerator like edge TPU, so it is more low cost and low power than AP+edge TPU solution. MAix's Advantage and Usage Scenarios: MAIX is not only hardware, but also provide an end-to-end, hardware + software infrastructure for facilitating the deployment of customers' AI-based solutions. Thanks to its performance, small footprint, low power, and low cost, MAIX enables the broad deployment of high-quality AI at the edge. MAIX isn't just a hardware solution, it combines custom hardware, open software, and state-of-the-art AI algorithms to provide high-quality, easy to deploy AI solutions for the edge. MAIX can be used for a growing number of industrial use-cases such as predictive maintenance, anomaly detection, machine vision, robotics, voice recognition, and many more. It can be used in manufacturing, on-premise, healthcare, retail, smart spaces, transportation, etc. In hardware, MAIX has the powerful KPU K210 inside, it offers many excited features: 1st competitive RISC-V chip, also 1st competitive AI chip, newly release in Sep. 2018 28nm process, dual-core RISC-V 64bit IMAFDC, on-chip huge 8MB high-speed SRAM (not for XMR), 400MHz frequency (able to 800MHz) KPU (Neural Network Processor) inside, 64 KPU which is 576bit width, support convolution kernels, any form of activation function. It offers 0.25TOPS@0.3W,400MHz, when overclock to 800MHz, it offers 0.5TOPS. It means you can do object recognition 60fps@VGA APU (Audio Processor) inside, support 8mics, up to 192KHz sample rate, hardcore FFT unit inside, easy to make a Mic Array (MAIX offer it too) Flexible FPIOA (Field Programmable IO Array), you can map 255 functions to all 48 GPIOs on the chip DVP camera and MCU LCD interface, you can connect an DVP camera, run your algorithm, and display on LCD Many other accelerators and peripherals: AES Accelerator, SHA256 Accelerator, FFT Accelerator (not APU's one), OTP, UART, WDT, IIC, SPI, I2S, TIMER, RTC, PWM, etc. MAix's Module Inherit the advantage of K210's small footprint, Sipeed MAIX-I module, or called M1, integrate K210, 3-channel DC-DC power, 8MB/16MB/128MB Flash (M1w module add wifi chip esp8285 on it) into Square Inch Module. All usable IO breaks out as 1.27mm(50mil) pins, and pin's voltage is selectable from 3.3V and 1.8V. CHANGE, she comes ....... There is nothing stopping someone from posting a CPU chiplet design, a GPU chiplet design and an I/O block design then the tiny stamp sized motherboards can act kinda like an AMD RYZEN, jest building up to the power level that you need ........ =================================================== https://liliputing.com/2019/02/odroid-n2-single-board-computer-coming-soon-for-63-and-up-amlogic-s922x-processor-up-to-4gb-ram.html Lookie, an ARM based 6 core $63 Computer shipped complete with Ubuntu OS ODROID-N2 single board computer coming soon for $63 and up (Amlogic S922X processor, up to 4GB RAM) http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/n2_01.jpg?resize=768%2C563&ssl=1 |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/15/19 at 14:59:40 https://www.techradar.com/news/microsofts-lite-os-could-be-seriously-stripped-down-to-run-on-almost-any-device Microsoft’s Lite OS could be seriously stripped-down to run on almost any device More alleged details on the ‘Lite’ operating system – Microsoft’s rumored lightweight spin on Windows – have emerged, shedding further light on what kind of machines the OS will run on, and just how far it has been stripped-back and simplified. You may, or may not, recall that journalist Brad Sams, a prolific source of info relating to Microsoft, spilled the beans on Lite at the tail-end of last year, revealing an apparently lightweight OS which can run on any processor, including low-end hardware to rival the likes of super-cheap Chromebooks. The latest nuggets from Sams insist that Microsoft is working on Lite for two different types of devices categorized as Centaurus and Pegasus. Now, Centaurus probably rings a bell, because it’s the dual-screen 2-in-1 device Microsoft is reportedly working on. Pegasus, on the other hand, simply refers to other different styles of laptops which will run the OS at the lower-end of the market. Lite contains a major Software shift Lite OS may even go as far as to eschew support for traditional Windows apps and instead make its software lifeblood applications from the Microsoft Store and PWAs (progressive web apps). We’ve already heard how Microsoft is pushing PWAs, and driving hard to get more of them, as part of plans to beef-up its app ecosystem ahead of the launch of rumored dual-screen devices (not just Centaurus, but a possible smaller mobile Surface device, previously referred to as a ‘pocketable’ computer). Everything seems to be tying together, then, with Microsoft’s future seemingly built around Lite OS, PWAs, and these purported dual-screen devices and low-end laptops to rival Chromebooks. Previous buzz from the rumor mill has pointed to a 2019 launch for both Lite and Centaurus, so fingers crossed that whatever is happening, it happens this year and we’ll know about it soon enough. Mickey recognises their last Chromebook Buster was a total flop, a complete bust as it came out of the gate. This upcoming time around it is suspected that what Mickey has actually stripped out will be the vast majority of their own historical MS written x86 OS functionality and what is left will be made up from Clear Linux is simplified Linux/Chrome functionality that has been mildly worked over for appearance sake. All of Clear Linux code and associated derived items must be FOSS code posted as part of the FOSS system. Look to see the new "better parts of Mickey's improvements" to be incorporated into more standard Linux Distros ASAP as their own code gets "re-tuned and selectively modernized" as part of Linus Torvalds sponsored Linux 2019 clean up wave. Also, the reasoning behind Google Fuschia becomes clearer and clearer to everybody as time goes on. MS is quietly adopting the core code basis for Chrome OS and Google simply does not wish to support the weight of Mickey and all its world of bloat sitting up on their shoulders from now on ..... nor do they want the MS Windows Store taking any market share away from the Android/Chrome developers in the Google Play Store. =================================================== Read this and see if you can predict where MS is going with all of their new stuff ........ https://liliputing.com/2019/02/windows-subsystem-for-linux-update-will-let-you-access-linux-files-from-windows.html |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/16/19 at 14:41:33 2019 seems to be a year of transformational change You got Rossi, kicking off the Fusion Age of Man. You got the Big 3 car makers started going electric. You got Harley going broke by slow drips and drabs while failing at going electric. You got Intel getting force transformed by competition pressure into something it has no skills to be successful at doing. You got Microsoft busily trying again to roll over to more of a Chrome/Linux basis simply because their old x86 code base sucks and it cannot be kept up even with the nightly tweeking & fiddling constant updates. You got smaller very agile players (Rockchip, Amlogic, Mediatek) putting together AI backed ARM A73 bigs and A53 littles into ARM based low end laptop grade chipsets that all use the new Midgard G series Mali graphics sets. These lesser players are making up quite acceptable "low end performance" little bitty machines for casual home use at a shipped price of <$100. At the same time MS can't seem to do anything for a Chome Killer for less than $350 dollars ..... http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/n2_01.jpg?resize=768%2C563&ssl=1 https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?t=33781 Yes, this is an Ubuntu desktop unit from Odroid --- cost is $69 for a simple unit with the case costing $4 extra. You got AMD putting together various sorts of chiplets and showing everybody else that you CAN build whole entire wafers of the same little chiplets at very high yields very very cheaply and then you can build up major chipset products out of mixing and matching these different chiplets on a never changing processor die -- this is a construction method that allows you to change up and IMPROVE your products very easily on a half year basis -- with no additional strain on your vended chiplet based production system either. You got large corporations (AMAZON and Google right now) building up their own custom processors and making up their own server hardware by the hundreds. Ditto for fast growing governments like China. They are designing and building exactly what meets their needs. Intel isn't selling in their big ticket generic server stuff in huge quantities like they used to any more ..... nobody wants it. You got Google approaching the release point of the first of the Fuchsia OS based products. You have a struggling MS desperately try try trying trying again to build the mythical Chrome Buster, a low end ARM Windows 10 machine (and MS is outing plans to junk Win 10 as an OS class very soon if they have to just in order to get relevant any way they can) --- MS knows they either succeed at their move into low end ARM space or else they will fail to exist as a major market force within about 5 years. You got the RISC-V consortium beginning to pull in royalty free combined processors made out of their myriad small FOSS bits and pieces. The rate of market growth in these FOSS RISC-V combo processors is jest astronomical at this particular point in time -- it is amazing to watch the new products pop up like little mushrooms all over the place. http://https://www.seeedstudio.com/media/catalog/product/cache/134ea8534034ded9d909870d8862ea94/h/t/httpsstatics3.seeedstudio.comseeedfile2018-11bazaar985199_sipeedm1wifipin.jpg Ubuntu Linux has quietly become the defacto desktop "alternative OS standard" to Windows. Ubuntu and Android are the OS standards that all the new little oriental Linux PC boxes are being built to. Free FOSS stuff counts for a LOT in this troubled worldwide marketplace as the RISC-V people can attest to. MS is not present in the low end market at all right now, and as such is getting left behind the change wave yet again ...... Google has collapsed Android & Linux & Chrome OS all together and is now putting all that goodness into Fuchsia with the ability to run all those forms of software on the up and coming Fuchsia machines. Ironically, MS can't seem to write an OS that works right any more while Google seems to be able to lead FOSS teams that can pop them off effortlessly -- and the Google FOSS stuff works really really well too. Ain't no blue screens of death in Google led FOSS products ...... and the Google updates always go off seamlessly year on year on year. Change, she comes ...... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/17/19 at 17:51:49 https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-3000-cpus-x570-motherboards-and-radeon-navi-gpus-7nm-launch-rumor/ Computex 2019 looks to be the best platform for AMD to announce their new mainstream lineups Last year at Computex, AMD announced their 2nd Generation Ryzen Threadripper processors that became available in August 2018, almost two months later. For the upcoming 7nm products, AMD will give their distribution a month or so to put any old stocks on sale and move them before actual availability of the new processors commences (if this rumor is accurate, anyway). http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/AMD-CPU-7nm-Zen-2-Roadmap.png AMD X570 Motherboard Chipset – A New House For AMD’s Next-Gen Ryzen 3000 Series CPUs As we saw with X470, there were a few features for the Ryzen 2000 series processors which were only supported by new motherboards such as Precision Boost Overdrive and XFR 2.0. There’s no doubt that AMD’s Zen 2 based Ryzen mainstream processor family would come with new features but the main highlight would be support for PCIe Gen4. The X570 platform would be all PCIe Gen4 solution which means this would most probably be the first consumer platform to feature support for the new PCIe standard. http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/DSC_1048-Custom-1030x687.jpg That, however, doesn’t mean that AMD Ryzen 3000 series would only be compatible on X570 boards since just like last time, the new CPUs will still be backward compatible with X470 & X370 boards too. They certainly won’t display the same feature set that will be available on the newly launched X570 lineup but will feature fully stable functionality for users who just want to drop in a new CPU and continue using their PCs without the hassle of upgrading the motherboard and everything from scratch. Motherboard manufacturers are said to be expecting 12 and 16 core processor (7nm and 5nm lithography) AMD parts to be prevalent during the use lifetime of these new boards. They would design in the appropriate data width, memory speeds and throughput capacity into their upcoming motherboards around this future critical information and reference the 7nm processor samples that are being provided by AMD so we can expect to see some better power delivery and more stable throughput operations for these higher core count AMD chips. The OEMs, however, have not released any tuned motherboard samples for testing as of yet as those are expected to be available around April-May of this year, right before Mattise 7nm CPUs mass production commences. So, the Fat Lady has been officially invited to come sing for Intel at Computex 2019 during the last weekend in May of this year. As with every Ryzen launch, the actual prices at roll out will play a huge factor in determining their popularity. The 1st and 2nd Generation Ryzen chips were fantastic when it came to their value proposition. Not only did they feature higher core counts than their counterparts but they also managed to run cooler and consumed lower power. This would obviously get better with the Ryzen 3000 series it looks like AMD will offer much better prices for each of their respective core count mode. The 8 core models can sell for around $199-$299 while the 12 core parts can go for $399 and finally, the 16 core parts can end up around $499. The reason we will be looking at such good prices is that unlike Threadripper CPUs which use a bigger PCB and four dies (based on EPYC layout), the Ryzen CPUs will only be featuring 2 dies and that saves up space and design costs. Also, the 6 core and 4 core parts may end up under the $150-$200 US bracket which would make them an ideal choice for budget users. =================================================== There is a Ryzen 4 generation that follows this one in coming off in 2021-2022. Using these new improved X570 motherboards that are coming out late this year allows the following generations to use the much higher proposed throughput buses, faster memory speeds and the extra PCIe 4 bandwidth to do even more impressive things between the CPU & GPU & AI chiplet blocks. But that will require a better generation of 5nm chiplets, which is what Ryzen gen 4 is apparently going to be all about in 2020-2022. Also, the Epyc server and Threadripper roadmap charts mention that Epyc server core counts could go up from 32 to 64 cores -- that alone screams that 5nm chiplets will be in full production in 2020-2022 (and that also aligns with TSMC's published production process lithography roadmap as well). Remember, 5nm chiplets will come into play ASAP, seriously just as early as possible simply because AMD gets literally twice as many chiplets off a wafer of 5nm compared to the current lithography processes ..... this cuts costs to AMD greatly and Cost is King starting this year, remember. Look to see Intel attempt to fire off their largest PR vapor cannons in some very massive distraction barrages immediately before and after Computex 2019 because some HEAVY DOPE SMOKE COVER is going to be needed immediately so Chipzilla can stage them a strategic PR "advance to the rear". There is a theory that this is always done in certain news outlets that are commonly indexed by the most viewed stock market watch sites, so that the avid Intel investor will only see the masses of Intel propaganda repeatedly pop up on their screens ..... Remember, all this AMD stuff is happening and becoming REAL AT 7nm RIGHT NOW and that AMD will likely be shipping real 5nm products before Intel even supposedly finishes their new buildings that their yet to be ordered 7nm production lines are supposed to be installed inside. Intel, can you say "Overcome by Events" four times real real fast ???? =================================================== Speaking of "nobody wants it" --- Global Foundries process production lines are up for sale again. The Arabs that now own it now consider 14 and 12nm a "depreciated investment" with no long term future and wish to unload it, ASAP. No takers, so far. AMD would be happy if Global Foundries finally died, as they would not be forced by their old contracts to buy any of Global's moldy old lithography any longer. Remember, Global and Intel have roughly the same level of lithography except Intel is slightly worse on most of their lines. WHAT SHOULD INTEL DO ??? Intel should leapfrog 7nm and go directly to 5nm on the chiplet style CPU processors just as soon as ASML has something to sell. Failing to do this, Intel should face reality and simply plan to phase out of the CPU building business, gracefully. Intel's existing 7nm thing isn't really a plan for two years from now, it is an overcome by events "built to fail" scenario since everybody else is already at 7nm right now doing it better than Intel will be able to do a year or two from now. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/22/19 at 05:38:34 https://liliputing.com/2019/02/google-may-introduce-game-streaming-hardware-at-march-19th-event.html Google may introduce game streaming hardware at March 19th event http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/project-stream.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 Google is delivering a keynote at this year’s Game Developer Conference on March 19th ..... and according to a report from 9to5Google, it’s possible that Google will use the event to launch a game console… sort of. Google’s been working on game streaming technology for a while. Last February The Information reported that Google was developing a game streaming platform code-named “Yeti.” And last October, Google launched a public beta of its “Project Stream” technology that allowed testers to stream Assassin’s Creed Odyssey using a Chrome web browser. The beta ran for about three months and the program has concluded. But it could pave the way for Google to launch a full-scale service that lets users stream multiple games over the internet. It’s unclear if you’d buy games outright, rent them, or subscribe to a Netflix-for-games type service for access to a library of games. One thing that does seem clear is that while some folks would be happy playing games using a Chrome web browser on laptop or desktop computers, others prefer a more console-like experience that allows you to play on a big screen TV. And that’s what 9to5Google says Google will introduce at its March 19th event, along with the game streaming service itself. While rumor has it that Google was originally planning to let stream games by plugging a Chromecast (or a similar device) into your TV, the latest rumors suggest it’ll be more of a game console-style box that comes with a Google-designed game controller. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/23/19 at 22:40:44 https://www.techspot.com/news/78706-update-tsmc-transition-7nm-euv-mass-production-future.html An update on TSMC's transition to 7nm++ Direct Burn EUV mass production and TSMC's future plans http://https://static.techspot.com/images2/news/bigimage/2018/12/2018-12-20-image-11.jpg Following TSMC's completion of 7nm++ EUV there is already a clear path laid out going forward to 5nm, and then down to 3nm. Beginning in March, TSMC will be ready to begin mass production of 7nm wafers using direct burn extreme ultraviolet lithography. ASML, a producer of lithography machinery has already allocated 18 of the 30 systems it is building in 2019 for TSMC. Once the next six weeks pass and TSMC has its 7nm++ EUV production running at full scale, the company's 5nm process will be moved to risk production status. EUV will remain in use for 5nm and is expected to be viable down to 3nm. By the end of 2019, TSMC will be taping out chip designs on 5nm nodes, with volume production slated for early 2020. Even though 7nm processes have been in large scale production since April 2018, the switch to EUV allows for fewer defects and fewer steps required during the production process. The addition of new manufacturing capabilities will allow TSMC to gain additional business from high performance computing and automotive businesses. Last year, 7nm EUV accounted for just nine percent of TSMC's wafer sales. This year, the company is on track to make the newer process bring in a quarter of its total sales. The latest updates on TSMC match up with previous predictions and plans to build new facilities. New factories will open in 2020 for 5nm, with additional plants being built with a target of 2022 for 3nm wafers. Despite a number of issues with malware, bad chemicals, and the sheer difficulty of producing tiny transistors, TSMC remains the leader of wafer manufacturing. So, a dose of reality comes to visit the rest of the 5nm roll out process which will be taking place starting later on this year. 7nm++ is real now, 5nm is past the early tape out stages and 5nm is already in the "at risk" PRODUCTION stages for both memory, AMD processors and for mobile processors. EUV lines just shipped to TSMC obviously have this ability (actually shown in the picture at top of post) to lay down combined memory and CPU and GPU on the same chiplet segment, so AMD's chiplet system gets yet another boost in what it can do while still staying on the AM-4 processor die and socket hardware that AMD likes to use. As an aside, this article is only one of four articles from different sources that cover this particular news -- and 3 of them mention that Intel is not getting any of these ASML EUV computer controlled direct burn process lines during 2019-2020. This lends credence to my theory that Intel is going to have to leap frog the 7nm lithography stage completely and MAY make some sort of a move at 5nm or 3nm. This is more in line with Intel's plans to build new buildings with a 2022 completion date. The equipment that ASML is selling and shipping this year can do 5nm and potentially do 3nm with some upgrades and tuning. What is new (to me anyway and is seen in the picture above) is just exactly what a programmable "mix and match" direct burn lithography system might actually mean for the make up of the actual chiplets that are able to be made by this very fine line direct burn ASML EUV process ....... memory mixed with AI mixed with graphics mixed with CPU ...... It becomes more clear now how AMD can be making these large improvements in their products on a six month cycle as the improvements are all done in software and then are downloaded to the ASML lines themselves to be burned on silicon. Somebody at next week's Mobile World Congress in Barcelona Spain will be likely be talking about their 5nm roadmap, you can bet yer your lunch money on it ...... =================================================== https://liliputing.com/2019/02/lenovo-unveils-budget-windows-and-chrome-os-laptops-for-education-and-business.html Lenovo unveils matching budget Windows and Chrome OS laptops for education and business Lenovo’s 2019 laptop lineup includes two new low-cost models with 14 inch displays that are aimed at the education and enterprise markets. The Lenovo 14e Chromebook and Lenovo 14w Windows laptop both have starting prices below $300 and both are available with up to 8GB of RAM and up to a 1080p touchscreen display. They’re also both powered by AMD processors… and interestingly Lenovo opted for the new low-power chips that AMD launched for Chromebooks in January. The Lenovo 14e Chromebook features a 6 watt AMD A4-9120C CPU, and the Lenovo 14w is the first Windows computer I’m aware of to sport an AMD A6-9220C processor. http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/14w.jpg?w=684&ssl=1 Both the Windows and Chrome OS models measure 12.9[ch8243] x 8.9[ch8243] x 0.7[ch8243], but there are a very few slight differences in the two laptops (other than the operating system used). The Windows 10 version has to use a 14 watt AMD laptop APU instead of the Chromebook's 6 watt laptop APU and the Windows 10 unit loses one USB port and gains a single HDMI video output port. Windows 10 is always twice as power hungry compared to ChromeOS, and that is always been a consistent truth between Windows and Chromebooks all along. Early reviewers are saying that these new AMD Chromebook processors are run of the mill for that mid-range Chromebook market niche at best with nothing extraordinary that has been seen performance-wise other than the improved graphics and if anything they suck a little extra power to run those built in improved GPU graphics compared to Intel's less capable built in GPUs. The biggest reveal seen so far from MWC 2019 is the foldable phone displays that normal people will not want or be able to afford. Pricey stuff, very pricy. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/25/19 at 07:43:57 https://liliputing.com/2019/02/microsd-cards-get-bigger-faster-1tb-and-985-mb-s-cards-on-the-way.html MicroSD cards get bigger, faster (1TB and 985 MB/s cards on the way) A little over a year after the first 512GB microSDXC card was unveiled, SanDisk has introduced the first 1TB card. Micron has one too. The SanDisk Extreme microSDXC UHS-I card should be available in April for $450 and it supports read speeds up to 160MB/s and write speeds up to 90MB/s. The 1TB Micron c200 microSD card, meanwhile, should be available in the second quarter of 2019 and supports read speeds up to 100MB/s and read speeds up to 95 MB/s. These tiny storage cards have four times as much storage as my laptop… but it’s a lot slower than the PCIe NVMe SSD in my laptop. But the SD Association’s got us covered there as well. The group has just introduced a new MicroSD Express standard that will enable microSD cards to hit speeds as high as 985 MB per second. http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/microsd-express_02.jpg This is obviously a long promised technology that is getting ready to "get real" on us. Spinning platter hard drives are just about gone, except for rather slow access to really large amounts of data. Once this gets real for real (later on this year) the Micro SD Express standard will begin to move out through all devices and the prices will begin to drop drastically so that in a couple of years MicroSD Express will be the way we all do it in laptops, phones, desktops, cameras --- you name it ..... Spinning platter drives did good by me for a lot of years, but they are SLOW compared to everything they are making these days. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/26/19 at 10:54:56 https://liliputing.com/2019/02/report-microsofts-windows-lite-is-coming-this-year.html Report: Microsoft’s “Windows Lite” is coming this year Microsoft’s Windows continues to dominate the desktop operating system space, but in recent years Chrome OS has taken away a significant chunk of market share, particularly in entry-level laptops and computers designed for students and classrooms. Meanwhile Android and iOS dominate the smartphone and tablet space. Over the past few years Microsoft has made several attempts to offer a stripped-down version of Windows that would be more competitive on entry-level hardware with limited success. Windows RT is dead. Windows 10 S is… basically a crippled version of Windows. So what’s next? Windows Lite, apparently. This is what it looks like -- right now anyway. http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/windows-lite.jpg?resize=768%2C363&ssl=1 Looks a lot like Fuchsia, doesn't it ........ Rumors have been making the rounds for a while that Microsoft was building a new operating system that would be capable of running on entry-level hardware while offering a simpler, quicker, less aggravating user experience. Now Petri’s Brad Sams reports that the so-called “Lite OS” is under active development, and that Microsoft plans to expand its testing by this summer. The company could officially introduce Windows Lite during its Build developer conference in May. Sams also created a mockup image that gives us an idea of what Windows 10 Lite looks like. There’s a simplified taskbar with app icons in the center and a clock on the right. And there’s an app launcher that looks a bit like the ones you’d find in Android or Chrome OS, with a search bar at the top, suggested apps below it, and a section for pinned apps below that. There’s also a Documents tab, suggesting you’d be able to browse and search for apps and docs from the same launcher. According to Sams, the operating system does include some legacy features such as File Explorer and support for running apps in windows that can be resized and moved. But Microsoft is reportedly working to make Windows Lite easier to use and to maintain than other versions of Windows. Right now there’s apparently no built-in support for running Win32 desktop applications. You can only use Universal Windows Platform apps (like those available from the Microsoft Store) or Progressive Web apps. But Microsoft is investigating the possibility of adding support for Win32 apps, possibly by sticking them into containers and limiting their interaction with the operating system (similar to the way Chrome OS handles third-party apps), which would theoretically tighten security and prevent installed apps from slowing down a computer’s boot process or other functions. Microsoft hasn’t confirmed any of this yet and even if everything in the report is accurate there’s a chance that Microsoft could change their plans sometimes before Windows Lite is released (or even officially announced). Fuchsia is putting the screws to 'ol Mickey, you can tell ....... "If you can't beat them, join them" |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/28/19 at 07:15:26 https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-adds-more-edge-features-to-chromium/ http://https://mspoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cedge-1.png Microsoft is getting ready to start testing of their Chromium-based Edge browser for Windows 10, and behind the scenes are working hard to bring their native Edge features to Google’s browser engine. Based on commits by Microsoft’s engineers, they are currently petitioning to add two new features to Chromium. One is support for Windows 10’s system styling for captions displayed in a video. The Chromium post is titled ‘Add support for Windows system styling for captions’ and proposes: Add 4 new properties to CaptionStyle. Adds a WindowsCaptionStyle class that extends CaptionStyle and adds Windows support for webvtt caption styling. Adds command line flag ‘–enable-windows-caption-style’ which is needed to run platform specific code. Microsoft is also working to add background opacity, window opacity, and window colour. The other big feature Microsoft is trying to add is support for Chromium as a drag and drop target for Outlook.exe attachments. Microsoft writes: “Users should be able to drag email messages or email attachments out of Outlook.exe and drop them on a file hosting service website such as OneDrive or Google Drive, just as if dragging files from File Explorer.” This feature is already supported in Edge for Windows 10. As mentioned earlier, Microsoft has leaked a screenshot of the installer for Chromium Edge, showing that the browser is already being tested. Hopefully, public testing will commence shortly also. Issue for Google is that if they allow MS engineers to functionally take over the control of Chromium Browser's development then they have simply FOSSed themselves to death in that arena ...... Microsoft will then proceed to junk up Chromium until it is no better functionally than Edge or any of the other Microsoft bloatwares. More and more the rational for the completely Google software based Fuchsia OS becomes clearer and clearer ..... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/28/19 at 15:07:02 https://liliputing.com/2019/02/sonys-new-memory-cards-offer-crazy-fast-read-write-speeds-for-cameras.html Sony’s new memory cards offer crazy fast read/write speeds (for cameras only) You know how the SD Association just introduced a new MicroSD Express standard that would make it possible for next-gen microSD cards to offer speeds as high as 985 MB per second? The CompactFlash Association just went a step further by unveiling a new CFexpress 2.0 specification with theoretical top speeds as high high as 4,000 MB/s. I’m not aware of any cards quite that fast yet, but Sony’s new CFExpress Type-B cards can hit top read speeds of 1,700 MB/s and write speeds as high as 1,480 MB/s. The only catch is that these cards aren’t going to end up in phones anytime soon — CompactFlash cards are larger than SD or microSD cards and are more commonly used in high-end cameras. In fact, Engadget notes that a few new high-end cameras can already support Sony’s new cards. Sony says its new card is more than three times as fast as its fastest CFast memory card, which tops out at 530MB/s. Of course, you don’t actually need a card that fast for more consumer-friendly cameras. But if you want to shoot higher-resolution, higher-bitrate video, the extra speed could come in handy. Sony says the first CFexpress Type B card to ship will be a 128GB version, but 256GB and 512GB cards are also in the works. While Sony’s cards are clearly aimed at professional cameras, the CompactFlash Association says other applications for new cards based on the CFexpress 2.0 standard include use for storing media, software, and files for servers and routers or as low-latency external, removable SSDs. Type-B cards like the ones Sony is introducing are faster than many consumer SSDs, but not yet as fast as a PCIe NVMe solid state drive. But the CFExpress 2.0 Type-C standard supports a 4-lane PCIe Gen 3 interface and NVMe 1.3 stack for theoretical speeds as high as 4,000 MB/s, which is faster than most consumer SSDs. In other words, maybe you’ll eventually be able to buy a computer that essentially has an SSD that you can pop out like any other memory card, allowing you to store important files, programs, or even the full operating system on swappable cards. For now I suspect that’s something only enterprise customers are likely to be looking for. But it’s a neat idea that I wouldn’t mind seeing make its way to the consumer space. Instead of setting up multiple user profiles in the operating system running on your computer, you could just give each member of your household their own CF card that would store their entire operating system. Insert it into a laptop, tablet, or desktop and you boot into your environment. Remove it and nobody else can access your files. Type A Type B Type C Dimension 20mm x 28mm x 2.8mm 38.5mm x 29.8mm x 3.8mm 54mm x 74mm x 4.8mm PCIe® Interface Gen3, 1 lane Gen3, 2 lanes Gen3, 4 lanes Stack NVMe™ 1.3 NVMe™ 1.3 NVMe™ 1.3 Max Performance 1000MB/s 2000MB/s 4000MB/s Hyperfast flash and ssd and such are getting real very quickly ....... give it a year and you can actually buy something that has the proper slot connector in the product that allows you to slot one of these speedy little marvels in there. You can get a device with a 512 megabyte single solder on chip of super fast memory --- yes, soldered directly to the motherboard right now and you can get a SD-Express slot that does 1,000 megabytes per second right now too. ::) (if your pockets are deep enough, that is) |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 03/06/19 at 05:50:06 http://https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fspecials-images.forbesimg.com%2Fdam%2Fimageserve%2F43081074%2F960x0.jpg%3Ffit%3Dscale This is the new face of an Intel that is faced with large, tough problems Would you buy a used car from this man ??? Would you buy a house that he was selling ???? Are you being stupid to buy his stock based just on his say so ??? Intel processors are vulnerable to a brand new class of attack, nicknamed Spoiler, to which AMD processors are immune according to researchers at the Worcester Polytechnic Institute and the University of Lübeck. Intel will not be able to spin this as an industry-wide problem as they did last January when two other vulnerabilities, Spectre and Meltdown, were revealed. This bodes well for AMD and ARM shareholders. What is scary about Spoiler is that it can victimize you through a JavaScript on a malicious website which then enables access to your passwords, your encryption keys, and other data stored in memory. It can invade you through casual web browsing, in other words. In January 2018, when Spectre and Meltdown were revealed, Intel said it was an industry-wide problem implying that Intel processors were not at a disadvantage to AMD. This time around the researchers tested AMD processors and found them to be immune. Consequently, Spoiler will give AMD an advantage over Intel. The question now is whether AMD's advantage will be big enough and last long enough for them to gain AMD some significant market share. Size Of AMD's Advantage Intel initially addressed Spectre and Meltdown by releasing performance sapping software patches to the microcode in their processors. Last January, early estimates of the performance penalty for the Spectre and Meltdown patches ranged from 5% to 25%. Since then datacenter system admins have told me that the patches have gotten more efficient and the performance penalty has decreased. However, recently Intel changed the licensing agreement for their software patches to prevent machine level developers from publishing any benchmark results on Intel's various issues. This acts to muzzle all data driven productivity complaints against Intel for creating this mess in the first place and greatly hampers the resulting class action lawsuits. In the near-term, I expect Intel will come out with a software patch for Spoiler. However, researchers say Spoiler, “is not something you can patch easily with microcode without losing tremendous performance”. The degree of the performance penalty exacted by these patches is a good measure of the size of AMD's advantage. Intel can prevent developers from publishing their benchmark results, but they can't stop them from talking to each other. This information will get out. Investors will have to look for it on more technical websites frequented by developers. Length Of AMD's Advantage The researchers are of the opinion that Spoiler cannot be fully fixed with a software patch. They believe changes to Intel's chip architecture will be required. This is extremely destructive to Intel's already weak roadmap plans over the next 5 years. Intel's is already years behind schedule in moving from 14 nm production lines to 10 nm. In contrast, AMD will soon be making its processors on a 7 nm production line. If Intel now also needs to redesign their processors to address Spoiler I cannot see how this can be accomplished in less than 5 years. That's enough time for AMD to take significant market share, permanently, as it totally roadblocks Intel's future roadmaps until REAL solutions are identified and implemented. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 03/06/19 at 06:27:32 https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/03/05/new-spoiler-vulnerability-in-all-intel-core-processors-exposed-by-researchers http://https://photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/29992-48887-ntel-top-l.jpg New 'Spoiler' vulnerability in all Intel Core processors exposed by researchers A function of Intel's processors dealing with speculative execution has another vulnerability that affects all Intel-based computers including Apple's Mac, researchers have revealed, with "Spoiler" potentially allowing an attacker the ability to view the layout of memory, and in turn potentially access sensitive data stored in those locations. The speculative execution function of Intel's processors, used to increase the performance of a CPU by predicting paths an instruction will go through before the branch is completed, is a useful function but one that has caused Intel issues in the past. A new report from security researchers from Worcester Polytechnic Institute and the University of Lubeck published on March 1 indicates there's another issue that needs to be fixed. Dubbed "Spoiler," the technique is able to determine how virtual and physical memory is related to each other, by measuring the timing of speculative load and store operations performed by the processor, reports The Register. By spotting discrepancies in the timing, it is possible for an attacker to determine the memory layout, and in turn know areas to attack. "The root cause of the issue is that the memory operations execute speculatively and the processor resolves the dependency when the full physical address bits are available," researcher Daniel Moghimi advised to the report. "Physical address bits are security sensitive information and if they are available to user space, it elevates the user to perform other micro architectural attacks." Speculative execution typically works by using a memory order buffer to track its operations, by copying data from a CPU register to main memory in the order it appears in code. Data can then be copied from the main memory to a register out of order, which potentially speeds up the overall speed of the operation if the speculative elements are right. If they are wrong, the speculative elements are discarded and a normal non-speculative load of data is performed, allowing the instruction to be carried out, but without the performance boost. The paper advises the main issue with Spoiler is Intel's performance of memory disambiguation, which tries to prevent computation on data loaded by an incorrect speculation attempt, with its timing behavior being the actual vulnerability. By filling the store buffer with addresses using similar offsets but different virtual pages, then issuing a memory load with the same offset on a different memory page, the team measures the time of the load. After performing multiple loads across numerous virtual pages, the timing differences provide clues about the memory locations. It is believed by the researchers the technique could make existing cache and "Rowhammer" attacks easier to perform, while at the same time enabling attacks using JavaScript to take seconds to complete, rather than weeks. "There is no software mitigation that can completely erase this problem," according to the researchers. While the chip architecture could be fixed, it would considerably cut into the chip's performance. Intel was advised about the vulnerability on December 1, 2018, and was disclosed to the public after a typical 90-day grace period. So far, Intel has not issued a CVE number for the problem, with Moghimi speculating the issue is not easily patchable with microcode in an efficient enough manner, and that a patch for the attack vector may take years to produce. As it is an issue that affects all Intel Core processors from the first generation onwards to the most recent releases, regardless of operating system, it is almost certain that all Macs are susceptible to attacks that take advantage of the vulnerability. It is unclear if Apple has specifically responded to the issue due to it potentially affecting its macOS-running products. The researchers note that ARM and AMD processor cores do not exhibit the same behavior, which means iPhones and iPads are safe from such attacks. So much of Intel's "progress" in the last 5 years has been Marketing BS, fluff, and Intel's playing misleading games with the major benchmarks that a real and serious and specific item like Spoiler might actually roll Intel's real performance back to the Win 7 era while leaving ARM and AMD's progress unaffected. A 25-30% performance hit between the camps might be a reasonable performance differential due to this Spoiler issue --- look to see Intel rabidly deny there is a problem because to say it is real means that Intel is pretty much done as a company and Intel knows this. Look to see this play out pretty clearly before CES this year when AMD uncorks their 7nm Matisse completely and actually starts shipping their "actual and for real" that much faster 16 core chipsets to home users for less money than Intel currently charges for their 14nm limping stuff. Also look to see Apple finalize and announce their Apple plans to roll over to their own domestic ARM chip production in all Apple products ASAP as Apple cannot afford a large performance hit right now due to Intel's historically poor structural choices. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 03/10/19 at 10:08:03 https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-not-needed-Ryzen-Zen-and-Nvidia-GTX-1660-Turing-gaming-laptops-are-a-real-possibility.413795.0.html Intel is not needed — Ryzen Zen+ and Nvidia GTX 1660 Turing gaming laptops are a real possible replacement First Zen+ gaming laptop: the ASUS TUF FX505DYFirst Zen+ gaming laptop: the ASUS TUF FX505DY The Ryzen 5 3550H and Ryzen 7 3750H are comparable to the Intel Core i5-8300H. It's up to laptop makers now to pair these Zen+ processors with Nvidia GPUs for potentially cheaper prices than the usual Intel-Nvidia offering. When the Ryzen U-series launched for laptops, the processors proved to be neck-to-neck with Intel Kaby Lake-R and even Whiskey Lake-U in terms of CPU performance. Users finally had a handful of respectable AMD Ultrabooks to choose from like the Honor MagicBook, HP Envy x360 15, or Acer Swift 3 instead of the usual costlier Intel models. Now that the Ryzen Zen+ H-series is available to directly tackle the Intel Coffee Lake-H series, there is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be seeing gaming laptops coming soon with Zen+ processors paired with Nvidia Pascal or Turing graphics. Such a move would make the most sense from the perspective of AMD. Its first Zen+ gaming laptop launched just last week which pairs the brand new quad-core Ryzen 5 3550H CPU with a Radeon RX 560X GPU. The only problem, however, is that this aging GPU will be two generations old once Navi hits the market later in the year. Since AMD has no immediate mobile Vega or Navi solution, laptop makers would have to turn to Nvidia GPUs instead. Some of the biggest AMD partners at the moment are Asus, Lenovo, HP, and Dell. Should these OEMs decide to launch budget-mainstream gaming laptops equipped with Ryzen Zen+ CPUs and mid-range GeForce GTX GPUs, then these models would seriously undercut Intel's dominance in the gaming laptop space when it comes to cost and performance-per-Watt. It would make for more exciting comparisons as well instead of the routine head-to-head battles between similarly equipped laptops. Notebook Check is just pointing out (with some excitement) that a mid-line AMD offering is getting ready to price value lap the best of the Intel upper mid-range offerings -- offering more power for less money all the way around. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 03/14/19 at 08:31:20 https://liliputing.com/2019/03/kodlix-gn41-gemini-lake-mini-pc-is-available-with-windows-or-linux.html Intel intends to attempt one more time to compete with the low end AMD chipsets. This is their Intel current offering, and it really isn't that shabby either compared to what Intel had put forth in the past. Amazon is selling an Ubuntu model of this for $215 or a Windows version for $15 more. http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/gn41_04.jpg?resize=768%2C413&ssl=1 There’s also a higher-priced model with a Core i3-5005U “Broadwell” processor and 128GB of storage, as well as cheaper models with Atom x5-Z8350 processors. But only the Celeron N4100 version is available with Ubuntu. The system is powered by Intel’s 6-watt, quad-core processor and if the built-in storage isn’t enough for you, there’s also room for a 2.5 inch hard drive or SSD, as well as an SD card reader. Other features include: 802.11ac WiFi Bluetooth 4.2 Gigabit Ethernet HDMI 2.0 (4K/60Hz) VGA port 1 USB Type-C port 2 USB 3.0 ports 2 USB 2.0 ports Headset jack The system measures about 6.9[ch8243] x 5.3[ch8243] x 1.4[ch8243] and weighs about 1.3 pounds. Give it 6 months and you will be able to buy a six core mainstream AMD unit for the same money, one that you can game off of easily. Intel is doomed in the short term, really. But the big lizard is going down fighting and that makes up some progress for everybody, I guess. =================================================== Speaking of the big lizard attempting to compete with AMD (using vapor talk only) Intel has perhaps invented a new Comet Lake chipset class (arrival date unknown) with supposedly 10 cores (at 14nm) that can supposedly compete with 12 and 16 core 7nm AMD Ryzen processors that are in real production for an introduction that is scheduled in only 2-3 months from now. https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2018/11/27/intel-10-core-processor-rumored-an-amd-ryzen-zen-2-killer-in-development/#1a2713193c43 The Intel rumor comes from a Taiwanese forum picked up by Wccftech, and points at a 10-core, 20-thread CPU under the code name Comet Lake that is still based on the company's 14nm manufacturing process. The site in question is an Intel fanboy site that is pushing some "unknown rumors" in order to bolster their published opinion that Intel at 14nm can "still dominate" numerically higher core counts with faster running and more efficient 7nm AMD cores. Intel's Core i9-9900K holds the current performance crown for mainstream desktop CPUs, but AMD's Zen 2 microarchitecture could well give it some stiff competition in 2019. This year has been a blur of CPU launches with Intel finally offering 8-core models for its mainstream platform, such as the beast that is the Core i9-9900K plus it also refreshed its line-up of high-end desktop CPUs while bringing back solder as the thermal interface material to both ranges to please enthusiasts and overclockers. AMD has had a good year with 2nd generation Ryzen and Threadripper CPUs being received well too and 2019 looks set to be even more interesting thanks to the company's 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture landing early next year. So what could a 10-core Intel mainstream CPU do to the market? Well, the Core i9-9900K has already dominated here, out-performing every other CPU in this segment and sometimes by big margins. In fact, it even matches some more expensive high-end desktop CPUs on performance in games and in multi-threaded content creation. AMD would likely need to add another two cores to catch up in multi-threaded workloads, meaning that it would probably need a 12 or 14-core CPU to match a 10-core Intel mainstream model if it has similar boosting frequencies to the Core i9-9900K. 12 cores from AMD are here now, 16 cores will be here by this fall --- this is just Intel being "post event reactive" again throwing out some very expensive cobbled together stuff just to stay in the game a little bit longer. The new Threadripper 2920X already outperforms the Core i9-7900X - one of Intel's current 10-core models for its high-end X299 platform - in multi-threaded workloads. However, the latter only boosts to 4GHz across all cores at stock speed whereas the Core i9-9900K is a massive 700MHz faster here, reaching 4.7GHz across all cores at stock speed. The impact is clear - the Core i9-9900K outperforms the Core i9-9900X despite a 2-core deficit and is only a couple of hundred points short of matching the Threadripper 2920X, despite a 4-core deficit. Surprise boys and girls, Intel cannot seriously compete against AMD's higher core counts that come out with the new higher throughput chiplets, especially when they COST LESS MONEY to purchase and in some cases don't even require a motherboard replacement ..... ;D ..... Intel really can't compete, especially not when just using some 3rd party Taiwanese vapor poots. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 03/20/19 at 07:46:25 https://liliputing.com/2019/03/google-stadia-is-a-game-streaming-service-for-any-device.html http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/stadia_04.jpg?w=530&ssl=1 Background (a little bit of background anyway) Intel has been bending PC benchmarks all over the place to remain the"King of Gaming" as if local PC gaming is the proper expression of the "ultimate in computer performance". Intel has also just spent a mort of money to try to upgrade their built in Intel video systems to get somewhere closer to Nvidia and AMD's top end graphics card output levels (not yet done, not yet tested, certainly not shipping yet). Folks have been waiting for a series of Fat Ladies to come sing for Intel as they are doomed by their lack of technological progress, doomed to fall from their lofty top market position ---- and the fall for Intel is a very steep very deep one if it takes place at this point in Intel's history. Google had already dumped Intel servers off their data farms for Tensor Processors, a Google invention that puts more speed and computing power on a single rack card than used to run on an entire room sized Intel based Supercomputer. http://https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcsR4qYUQAQ2L9J.jpg:large https://www.extremetech.com/computing/263751-googles-ai-cloud-tensor-processing-units-now-available-public-machine-learning-beta-test This stuff PER CARD is more powerful than 2005's original Blue Gene complex at the US Federal Research Facility Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory That is per card, mind you. One (1) Tensor Quad Stack card > original Blue Gene Complex in gigaflops/second. http://https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/IBM_Blue_Gene_P_supercomputer.jpg/220px-IBM_Blue_Gene_P_supercomputer.jpg At 180 gigaflops of super fast compute power per card, what in the world was Google planning to do to exercise all that computing power that would reside in the very first rack wall in the very first Google Tensor Farm? Google needed something to do with all that excess compute power ...... Answer, sell the computing services that normal people want at a much reduced cost. Google has a HUGE surplus in computing power compared to the world's total computing workload right now, so what are they going to do with it to make it useful to humanity? START WITH GAMES AND GAMING, Google is going to run Crysis for you (and any other game you want to run) on any device that will hook up at 60 frames per second full speed to a 4G or 5G cellular network (or to just about any fiber optic LAN Wifi system). http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/stadia-controller_02.jpg?resize=768%2C509&ssl=1 Have some modern high speed Wifi in your house and now you can go buy a new Google Wifi game controller (it attaches DIRECTLY to the web at your router and again directly to your Chromecast dongle equipped TV and again simultaneously to Google's server farms through the internet, it does not go through your pokey PC or phone hardware --- nothing goes through your old slow equipment except to simply display the video graphics stream that is going to be sent to your device in response to your controller movements). Pay the monthly bill and you can game ANYTHING until your fingers fall off. Anywhere there is good enough Wifi to attach to Google and that will support the 1080p 60 frames per second minimum data stream. No super strong home computer is required any more. Sit in the park, use your relatively new cell phone, Google doesn't care. Game on .... Game on .... Take a break and watch a movie for a bit, it is all the same data feed stream as far as Google sees or cares. Google, AMD, Gabe at Steam are all kicking in on the details to make up a workable system, one that removes the need for Intel super duper expensive Core i7and i9 processors completely. AMD is the preferred silicon processor vendor, because they make modern lithography combined APU chipsets with appropriate fast memory and state of the art graphics and AMD is well accustomed to the gaming environment. Plus, Gabe likes them because of the open source video driver sets and WIDE support thereof. Gabe sees AMD as a kindred soul. Intel is NOT part of this open source based consortium and Intel really cannot compete against it from here forward ...... The Fat Lady has started singing the very first full aria in the Intel Swan Song. Intel may be the current King of PC Gaming, but of what real value is that after today ??? ::) ================================================== Addendum The Chromebook folks have asked their question and gotten their answer ---- ANY Chromebook that is still getting updates is going to get this ability in 3-4 weeks to use Stadia Game Streaming. Chromecast dongles, Chromebooks, Chromeboxes and standard Android devices will also be able to hook Stadia up to your TV. There is an attached movie service, too. Your oldest moldiest PC using appropriate modern fast connect Wifi speeds and a decent video system will be able to do the same, as shown by the months long Stadia demo that Google did late last year. https://youtu.be/4SOS-a4ks7s This is the official Stadia pre-launch presentation in 10 minutes or less. Folks, this may be kinda large, really. Barrons is running it as breaking financial news that is pro AMD and pro Google and signals a stock price jump for both companies. The sound of the Fat Lady singing Intel's Swan Song is getting louder and louder day by day by day. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 03/20/19 at 20:55:09 https://gizmodo.com/google-made-chromecast-cool-again-1833415006 https://gizmodo.com/chromecast-is-bumming-me-out-1829688812 At the top are the two url's in question, showing that Gizmodo really did miss the fact that Google was outing a brand new gaming and video transmission standard back when they put it out in Chromecasts that have been being sold in for the last half a year. Surprise !!! Google sold in the new gaming standard ALMOST A YEAR AGO !!!! Sneaky, huh ...... http://https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--PKoEueny--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/nnfkf0e3yjolmljbhrjv.jpg At Gizmodo, there are few things more rewarding than eating your own words. So here I am. It’s been six months since I reviewed the apparently boring new Google Chromecast, a gadget I said “falls short” and called “a bummer.” Now Google has effectively turned the Chromecast into the video game console of the future. This is me eating my own words. Eating one’s words does not exactly mean the same thing as saying you’re wrong. When I argued that Google’s latest $35 Chromecast disappointed some folks by failing to deliver full-fledged set-top box solution, I was right about that. Now that Google has linked Chromecast to Stadia, the company’s broader mission to create a cloud-based video game empire, I realize that my eye was on the wrong ball. The new Chromecast is still boring for TV watchers, but it’s suddenly fascinating for gamers. The future it invites is hardly a bummer. In case you haven’t followed the news, Stadia is Google’s new attempt at creating a streaming video game platform. The basic idea is that any device that works with Chromecast—this includes everything from a Mac running the Chrome browser to a TV with a new Chromecast plugged in—will be able to access video games through Google’s existing data center network. The games won’t actually run on the devices. They’ll be streamed from these data centers in 4K resolution at 60 frames per second. This is where the new dongle’s specs come into play. It seemed underwhelming late last year when Google released the latest iteration of the standard $35 Chromecast, and the main spec bump included the ability to support 1080p video at 60 fps. My reaction at the time was pretty blunt: Who cares? The latest $70 Chromecast Ultra has been able to cast 4K HDR video at 60fps for years, although I’ve read some complaints that the device can get glitchy when doing so. Furthermore, that 60fps detail for both Chromecast models is something that typically only gamers care about, and the idea of casting video games onto a Chromecast-enable device seemed almost quaint six months ago. At the very least, getting a Chromecast to handle massive quantities of streaming data required for the very best video games likely requires the right connection speeds and the right router. With the launch of Stadia, this scenario seems very different. If what Google seems to be promising is true, we’ll soon have a streaming platform from Google that rivals the gaming experience you might get on a PlayStation 4 or an Xbox One today. Google makes it seem like Stadia will be better, faster, and more powerful—not to mention more convenient. The company’s keynote at the Game Developer’s Conference in San Francisco showed how you could go from playing a game on a PC to a Chromecast-enabled TV with a new Google Stadia controller in a half second. Of course, that cheap Chromecast hardware wouldn’t be nearly as capable if it didn’t support the gaming standard of 60fps, which the new Chromecast now does. The cheaper dongle is still stuck at 1080p, though. All the buzz around Stadia centered around a 4K gaming experience and not all existing Chromecast device can support this. But Google will probably release a new Chromecast model with beefier new specs in the near future—our guess would be before the service launches sometime later this year. Google said it hopes to support 8K video at 120fps on its new platform, so maybe this year’s (hypothetical) Chromecast update will be truly mind-blowing. So I’m pleased to confess that Chromecast is not a full bummer any more. The dongle still needs an update, and while a lot of people would love to see Google release a full-fledged set-top box that runs Android TV, the fact that Chromecast is now a gaming machine is pretty cool. Now we just have to wait on answers to the laundry list of questions raised by the announcement of Stadia. We don’t know when it will launch, what it will cost, and how it will work. We do know that it will work with Chromecast, though. Dave, I mentioned you might want to pay attention this year to your quandary about needing to upgrade your movie viewing technology? This new Google gaming / movie viewing stuff that is going to play out against the existing streaming industry per se and we will see the Amazon's and the Netflix's respond to it in kind, either competing or buying into it fairly quickly. I think both Roku and Netflix and Steam will adopt it and offer games to stream over their services and Amazon will be all stubborn and will compete against it as Jeff Bezos is so prone to do. But the blow it strikes against the traditional cable TV services is likely to be a killing blow when taken in the long term, considering the reactions it will provoke from Netflix, Amazon, etc. etc. 60 frames per second at 1080p is suddenly an existing very firm video standard to work to. Not expensive, not radical, simply quite inexpensive and very doable over the existing internet cable hardware and very doable at 4G and 5G from your local cell tower as well. Your existing cell phone AND your existing Wifi router can handle it, and a $35 Chromecast dongle is all the hardware your require to hook up your TV. I went and checked, my older Roku box ($69 bought way back when) only supports 1080p at 30 frames a second which is the older TV standard resolution and speed. Looks like my wife's Roku is due for an upgrade ---- or a replacement with a Chromecast dongle that costs about half as much. =================================================== Dave, here's the very first potentially good enough cheap enough home cellular broadband offering that has just appeared out of the T-Mobile Sprint merger. https://liliputing.com/2019/03/t-mobile-launches-home-broadband-trial-50-mbps-for-50-per-month.html http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/t-mobile-lte-router.jpg?w=665&ssl=1 US wireless carrier T-Mobile is getting into the in-home internet space, but the company is starting small. T-Mobile is launching an invitation-only pilot program that will let up to 50-thousand households in “rural and underserved areas of the country” use the company’s 4G LTE network in their homes by the end of the year. Those who sign up will get speeds of “around 50 Mbps” for $50 per month when they sign up for automatic payments. And there are no data caps. But odds are T-Mobile will have plenty of competition by 2024. Right now the company is able to compare its $50/month for 50 Mbps service to cable, fiber and other services which regularly cost substantially more. But as competitors including Verizon and T-Mobile begin to deploy 5G technology, it’s likely that folks shopping for in-home internet service will start to see more choices. ::) Interesting times, faster, better and cheaper ........ |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successeshttp Post by Oldfeller on 03/24/19 at 21:27:16 https://i2.wp.com/static.techspot.com/articles-info/1613/images/Image_04.jpg?w=640&ssl=1 http://https://imagenesmi.com/thumbs/ewxwarh39Fho9UI1TIWHB_ZCm3BYAVmkQxVVQx2ygie-C6-M_ho4ktb1gQ6clkzxy5wWhLyg1QhaU1o62YBulA.jpg A new singing voice joins the Fat Lady Deathsong Auria, a worldwide rejoicing being sung at the demise of the Intel choke hold over the PC Industry The Ryzen 7 2700 is marked down 25% on Amazon, making it possibly the best value CPU available right now. In games, AMD only a few percent slower than the Intel i7-9700K, which costs nearly double the AMD price at $410. The AMD Ryzen part looks especially good compared to the Intel i9-9900K, which costs 140% more. Meanwhile, a 20% discount to the Ryzen 5 2600 means it annihilates the i5-8400, which performs roughly the same for $35 more. Thumbs up to AMD. Ryzen 5 Ryzen 5X Ryzen 7 Ryzen 7X MSRP $200 $230 $300 $330 Amazon $165 $190 $220 $290 Newegg $165 $185 $250 $295 Zen 2 will offer up to 16 cores, faster speeds and PCIe 4.0, but it’s also expected to arrive at a bit of an initial price premium. If you already have a first gen Ryzen part and are looking for a high-end CPU upgrade for gaming, waiting is not a bad idea because the next generation will introduce performance levels Ryzen has never reached before. Professionals should also wait, as higher core counts will push productivity thresholds, too. But for most people, buying these AMAZON discounted AMD processors could be a good idea. Of course, that begs the question: how long do we have to wait? Not very long, if new leaks are anything to go by. Some Ryzen new product announcements will likely be made before Computex in May, but it is now clear that AMD has already told the Ryzen distribution channel to participate in some large inventory clearing events ASAP to move out their existing inventory as the new chips are already built and sitting in inventory awaiting the Computex release announcements. And once the new AMD parts are available, anybody's old stock on hand at their warehouse isn't going to be so comparatively desirable. Double ditto for the old Intel stock they may be carrying in warehouse stocks, as it will be 1) very very overpriced and 2) technically overlapped by AMD's newest generation at 7nm with wider faster internal data transfer pathways and multiple extra 7nm processor cores using much less power to run the AMD faster more secure throughput ....... Intel is still acting somewhat arrogantly un-reactive expecting their Intel fanboys to pay over a 50% premium in addition to their old historically high Intel pricing just to have "Intel Inside" ---- this in an era where Intel is being run by a finance bean picker instead of a real CEO ---- Intel is being slowly eaten up alive with synthetically inflated overly high prices, some very serious production shortfalls and having to continuously run 3 required mitigation slowdowns due to being security risk contaminated by all the bad choices made by Intel's past management groups. Intel is not really even making a serious effort to reference off of AMD's much cheaper current pricing and higher relative performance levels, instead Intel simply says their processors are "better" when they demonstratively ARE NOT EVEN EQUIVALENT to AMD's best stuff any longer. Intel simply lies, in other words ...... This is all weakly excused on the plus side as acceptable by the excuse that "Intel is better for gaming" which is simply no longer true in a world that now has streamed gaming available that can run on a Chomebook just as well as it can on a powerhouse PC. Remember, Intel does always require all three sequential slowdown mitigations for all three 3 major security issue groups (Spectre, Meltdown and Foreshadow). Three (3) mitigations that depending on the task at hand can easily peel off 10% to 30% of the claimed Intel processing speeds when the processors are run in the real world. And please remember, that the 3 Intel sequential mitigations ALWAYS takes at least a solid 10% off on all Intel processing speeds since you always have to run all of the 3 mitigations continuously all the time just to have "somewhat safe" computing on your Intel inside machine. :P So, AMD picks up a 10% to 30% speed boost relative to Intel because the Foreshadow exploit is not active against AMD at all and the mitigations for Spectre and Meltdown are both a lot less processor clock cycle consuming on AMD processors than they are on Intel processors. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 03/27/19 at 15:30:38 https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/99eebr/how_amd_triggered_a_core_race_by_releasing_zen/ This refers to the last 12nm AMD release cycle, not the 7nm one that is upcoming in a month or so. The point to take here is that AMD has already thrashed Intel once just last year ...... and that was back at 12nm, not at 7nm which is the next EVEN BIGGER thrashing that AMD is getting ready to give to Intel. http://https://3dnews.ru/assets/external/illustrations/2018/09/30/976162/02-4s.png http://https://3dnews.ru/assets/external/illustrations/2018/09/30/976162/02-1s.png These "predictive" graphs say that Intel is gonna get thrashed again like it is being done by a John Deere Combine during the second third and fourth quarters of this year ..... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Eegore on 03/29/19 at 05:38:51 Are there larger timeframes of that data available somewhere? The largest span of change is only 30 days, has this happened before? |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 03/29/19 at 06:20:16 Top two graphs are in years, bottom set of 3 graphs cover the little tail end flip up at the very end of the top two graphs (for clarity). Intel has never been quite this stupid before. Way way out of date technologically, trying to compete by adding old tech cores to keep up with AMD's new 7nm stuff in a core count race that has extended to the point INTEL HAS RUN COMPLETELY OUT of old core production capability ..... and Intel's plans for their next "10nm lithography level" have crumbled under their feet due to Intel not buying new ASML current lithography machines. You are looking at short term last quarter's German sales data in these graphs, data that supposedly predicts market trends that are going to be becoming real world-wide in the next few months as AMD accelerates on ahead of Intel. Mindware.de is supposedly a predictor of general worldwide buying trends .... so treat Mindware.de data with a grain of salt if you wish but they have had some past success in predicting building future trends. Intel's bean picker CEO has got to get the finished production numbers of completely functional cores back up AND get those processor cores modernized and do both of these things fairly quickly. So far he has just maximized profit taking during a period of adversity ...... (he's a bean picker, what did you expect ? He does what he knows how to do.) Do I expect Intel to recover from this stumble? Yes, they will change their CEO again, spend some more money and time on new processes and eventually get to a competitive winning posture again. However, right now I see Intel being currently sapped by multiple layers of bad past choices done by past managements, eaten up ongoing by the three large required security mitigations to cover the security risks they created by the extensive use of predictive calculation and lastly, hamstrung by the long lead times required to get into new production technologies (Intel still hasn't placed orders for any new ASML production lines). If Intel doesn't show some clear steps in the right directions soon, they may indeed go down the toilet bowl whirlpool swirl yet even deeper ..... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 03/29/19 at 19:39:04 https://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/2019/03/intel-lays-off-hundreds-of-tech-administrators.html "If Intel doesn't show some clear steps in the right directions soon, they may indeed go down the toilet bowl whirlpool swirl yet even deeper ....." Gosh, no sooner than I type it, it takes place -- is it possibly magical or what, I ask you. “Changes in our workforce are driven by the needs and priorities of our business, which we continually evaluate. We are committed to treating all impacted employees with professionalism and respect,” Intel said in a brief statement acknowledging the cuts to The Oregonian/OregonLive. The white collar layoffs numbered in the multiple hundreds, according to people with direct knowledge of the cuts who asked not to be identified because they were not authorized to speak about their employer. Intel confirmed the layoffs but declined to specify how many people lost their jobs, what the jobs were or to describe the rationale for the cutbacks. The cuts took place at sites across the company, including Oregon, Intel’s largest site with 20,000 workers. A person with direct knowledge of the cuts said the Oregon layoffs were in proportion to those elsewhere. A grand total is not known at this time. Cuts also took place at other Intel facilities in the United States and at a large administrative facility in Costa Rica, according to people familiar with the layoffs. Though Intel forecasts flat sales in 2019, people inside the company said this week’s layoffs don’t appear to be strictly a cost-cutting move. Rather, they said the cuts appeared to reflect a broad change in the way Intel is approaching its internal technical systems. Aa an example of this sort of consolidation/cutback, Intel has previously used several information technology contractors. An internal memo obtained by The Oregonian/OregonLive said Intel will now consolidate operations under a single contractor, the Indian technology giant Infosys. The Big Change as known stated in a nutshell ---- Intel is offloading "technical management" as a complete management function primarily to outsourcing folks like the Indian technology giant Infosys. Why? Intel has no strong technical visionary at the helm any longer, just a promoted finance bean picker. This CEO is somewhat contemptuous of the current crop of technological people that he manages. They can't do what he asks them to do so who needs to pay them those fat salaries any more? Get rid of them. Hire younger "currently skilled" less costly replacements from IBM and AMD. This is seen as a simple non-visonary non-technical bean picker type of move as Intel battens the hatches down tighter for the next year's worth of market share losses. If you wanted to see this as a "fall back and regroup" by Intel's bean picker CEO in the face of ever increasing competition, you could. You could also see this as an attempt to co-opt outside company talent and strengths that Intel certainly no longer has internally. If you were charitable, you could see it as the start of a "cut and build plan" (with the build part still pending). It is hard to see it as any part of a roadmap that is actually leading out of the existing Intel tar pit that Chipzilla finds itself so firmly mired into ...... It is a bean picker knee jerk reaction type move, nothing more. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 03/31/19 at 08:52:43 https://wccftech.com/amd-epyc-server-cpu-7nm-market-share-2020-report/ AMD All Set To Capture 10% of the Total Server CPU Market by 2020, Report Indicates – Will Secure Even More New Customer Deals With 7nm EPYC CPUs Due To Strong Price / Performance Leadership http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/e076a1c58a70d01c3cc9480ce955b78f3cfffabc5ff844f2406ac91a4a0ec91d-740x493.jpg AMD seems to be on the path to capture major server processor market share from Intel in the coming years. In the latest report from DigiTimes, it is stated that AMD is all set to challenge the blue team in server processor market dominance, capturing a major chunk of its market share by 2020. The report suggests that Intel’s server processor market share is likely to fall below 90% by the end of 2020 which means that AMD would manage to capture at least 10% of the market share by that time. The reasoning behind this is that AMD’s EPYC processors continue to secure more deals and orders from server vendors and cloud service providers. Intel’s server processor market share is likely to fall below 90% by the end of 2020, as AMD with its EPYC series continues to attract more orders from server vendors and cloud service providers, according to market sources. Because of the EPYC series’ strong price/performance ratio and AMD’s plan of releasing its next-generation 7nm datacenter processors codenamed Rome later in 2019, demand for the AMD-based servers has been rising. Cloud providers such as Amazon are continuously investing in more EPYC CPUs rather than Intel Xeon CPUs. Amazon recently announced new Amazon EC2 instances featuring custom AMD EPYC 7000 series processors. With AMD EPYC CPUs, these M5ad and R5ad instances run with higher CPU performance (2.5 GHz SKUs) and feature low latency NVMe storage subsystems. Amazon EC2 instances now feature AMD EPYC 7000 series processors with an all core turbo clock speed of 2.5 GHz. The AMD-based instances provide additional options for customers and may offer a better fit for many workloads that do not fully utilize the compute resources. By optimizing the balance between compute resources and utilization, these instances provide a 10% lower cost than comparable instances. In addition to Amazon, Japan-based NTT Data will also be procuring datacenters with AMD EPYC processors. There’s also the upcoming Atos BullSequana XH2000 Supercomputer which will be using a total 3125 AMD EPYC Rome 7nm processors with around 200,000 cores and 400,0000 CPU threads and is expected to finish by 2020. Considering the traction that AMD EPYC CPUs are getting, it’s reasonable to say that the 10% figure is very conservative as we could be looking at an even higher server market share by 2020 for AMD CPUs given that they land in more orders from server vendors. AMD’s market share for Q4 2018 was 3.2% and that was a huge gain from their 2017’s 0.8% market share and null prior to EPYC’s release. http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/AMD-EPYC-Server-Processors_3-740x407.png AMD's hard work on the big iron chiplet system is paying off all the way down the AMD processor line up. All the tricks AMD develops to make the big 64 core chiplets better and better simply leads directly into the smaller displacement consumer Ryzen chiplet sets carrying the big iron's improved higher efficiency numbers and the big iron's improved wide wide wide data pathways. In many cases it is thought that AMD's big iron 7nm chiplets ARE ACTUALLY ARE THE EXACT SAME THING as the A-4 size Ryzen 4-16 core 7nm consumer chiplets ...... as the big iron components were created first and were proven out first through extensive rack space testing. Ryzen chiplets come from the faster end of the sorting pool as big iron runs much lower mhz speeds at much greater efficiency so the slower chips are fine to use in the Epyc rack space chipsets. This also makes sense on a design and manufacturing viewpoint, as consolidation of the chiplet designs means MORE FLEXIBILITY in assembling what is needed when it is needed, simply pulling from a common pool of pre-sorted inexpensive mass produced 7nm chiplet wafers. When product differentiation is needed, it can be put into the 14nm I/O chip that is the center of each unique product. This means the actual 7nm chiplets can be the same design whenever possible. AMD can warehouse large amounts of the 7nm base components and assemble what is needed as either EPYC or as RYZEN right when they need to ship it. AMD knows which 7nm chiplets can do faster mhz for consumer because every individual chiplet is tested --- big iron neither wants nor needs the high mhz speeds (the entire big iron rack space unit runs at lower frequency compared to a consumer unit) so AMD simply uses the faster end of the sorting spectrum to bash on Intel's finest Core i9 Consumer processors and at the same time AMD uses the slower end of the sort at their very highest efficiency settings to price/value bash Intel's big rack space monstrosities. Please note: AMD charges approximately 55% less money for a faster rackspace chipset, comparing against the nearest spec'd Intel processor pair. Yep, this is because it takes two Intel processors on a special dual socket motherboard to run against (and fail against) AMD's single EPYC processor). And 7nm EPYC uses approximately 65% less energy to run and to cool compared against current Intel rack space products. Payback period for a 7nm EPYC rack unit is less than 2 years, based simply on reduced purchase cost and energy savings. Increased throughput extends this benefit when expressed in processing dollars. Big Iron racks units don't get ripped out and replaced all that often, older units get re-assigned less demanding tasks instead. This 10% annual number is what generally turns over each year, and this means Intel is going to be really hurting in the rack space arena as between the new ARM custom built servers (AMAZON) coming on more and more and these faster value packed generic AMD EYPC servers, most folks simply don't see Intel selling in much more than Xenon failure replacements for this year and next year. ::) Intel can't win for losing, in other words ....... ==================================================== AMD EPYC Rome CPUs Were Designed To Compete Favorably Against Intel’s 10nm Ice Lake-SP Processors It should also be pointed out that when AMD was designing their 7nm Zen 2 based EPYC Rome processors, they had internally estimated what the performance of Intel’s next-gen server part would be like. The next-gen 10nm part known as Ice Lake-SP is scheduled to launch for 2020 with Cascade Lake-SP and Cooper Lake-SP being offered as an intermediary solution based on 14nm (++) while the Cascade Lake-AP and Cooper Lake-AP would be designed as a multi-core HPC part. “Rome was designed to compete favorably with “Ice Lake” Xeons, but it is not ever going to be competing against that class of chip because Intel has failed in that execution completely. We are incredibly excited, and for us it is all coming together at this one point in time in just a few weeks.” –-- Forrest Norrod AMD Senior vice president and general manager of the Datacenter and Embedded Solutions Business Group at AMD. “Our plan for the Naples-Rome-Milan roadmap was based on assumptions around Intel’s roadmap and our estimation of what would we do if we were Intel,” Norrod continues. “We thought deeply about what Intel is like, what they are not like, what their culture is and what their likely reactions are, and we planned against a very aggressive Intel roadmap, and really both Rome and Milan and what comes after them was designed against what we thought Intel could do. And then, we come to find out that they can’t do what we thought they might be able to. And so, we have an incredible opportunity laid out in front of us. AMD has confirmed that their EPYC Rome processors have been designed to compete favorably against Intel’s Ice Lake designs, Ice Lake designs that will never arrive inside the next ~2~ years. This only means that AMD would have an even greater edge versus the Intel 14nm++ server parts arriving this year and next year. If/when the time comes that Intel's 10nm Ice Lake actually finally does arrive, AMD will have been actually shipping their next generation of 5nm lithography chiplets for at least part of an entire year. Yes, Intel is that far behind. =================================================== https://wccftech.com/amd-ceo-computex-2019-keynote-ryzen-3000-cpu-and-radeon-rx-navi-gpu/ AMD confirmed that they will be introducing the said next-gen products, offering key details as to what the general audience should expect from the respective CPU/GPU lineups. Now I’ve been stating this for a while that AMD’s Ryzen 3000 series and Radeon RX Navi GPUs always had their announcements planned for Computex 2019 but it looks like we may get a launch later in July as previously reported. Looking at the current schedule and 7nm roadmap, AMD could push the launch ahead and go live with these products at Computex 2019 but if that doesn’t happen, we should still expect to hear some good details including a live demo of the final Ryzen 3000 series processors during the event. Upcoming products include 7nm AMD EPYC datacenter processors, 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen desktop processors and graphics cards based on the next-generation “Navi” architecture – all of which are designed to create exceptional experiences for gamers and creators as well as help solve many of the toughest challenges in our lives. During the CEO Keynote, Dr. Lisa Su and other high-profile guests will highlight new details of upcoming products and showcase how the industry is building a new high-performance computing ecosystem that will push technology to the next level. Here’s What To Expect From The AMD Ryzen 3000 Series Processors The AMD Ryzen 3000 lineup is based on the new Zen 2 core architecture which is made possible with TSMC’s bleeding edge 7nm process node. AMD has reaffirmed that their Zen 2 based Ryzen 3000 series processors for the AM4 desktop platform will be available in mid of 2019. We are now hearing multiple reports of a possible launch in early July and that might be it as far as the launch day is concerned for the new desktop processors. AMD has made significant changes to their CPU architecture which help deliver twice the throughput of their first generation Zen architecture. The major points include an entirely redesigned execution pipeline, major floating point advances with doubled the floating point to 256-bit and double bandwidth for load/store units. One of the key upgrades for Zen 2 is the doubling of the core density which means we are now looking at 2x the core count for each core complex (CCX). Improved Execution Pipeline Doubled Floating Point (256-bit) and Load/Store (Doubled Bandwidth) Doubled Core Density Half the Energy Per Operation Improved Branch Prediction Better Instruction Pre-Fetching Re-Optimized Instruction Cache Larger Op Cache Increased Dispatch / Retire Bandwidth Maintaining High Throughput for All Modes Zen 2 also includes stronger hardware level enhancements when it comes to security. This further solidifies AMD CPUs against enhanced Spectre variants and these mitigations will be adopted fully by the Zen 2 architecture. When it comes to Zen 2, AMD already had strong software level support when it came to security and they have further enhanced it through low-level software mitigations. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/01/19 at 21:19:30 Wacky Prediction time ..... Intel really doesn't have a plan for expanding their 14mn production. They realize that they are going to lose so much market share this year they actually have more than enough 14nm production capacity already, when all the furor and all the blood and dust finally settles. Intel's 10nm plan is the same as it has always been -- it isn't a real plan, it never was and it will never really happen -- new excuses and new delays will be made up as needed. 11-12nm is as good as Intel's current equipment can do AFTER it has been upgraded. This is the Intel bean picker CEO's REAL executive plan for the next 2 years. Protect the stock price by any means necessary. Gouge the hell out of his installed base for every penny he can by heavy price gouging and lying. Use delay and smoke screen freely as much as is needed. :P When this actually changes, we will actually see some Intel 5nm-7nm ASML production equipment orders hitting the ASML waiting list. Watch this ASML waiting list -- it says plainly who is doing what for the next 2 years ..... You will see the very first 11-12nm Intel big-little cores and chiplet designs come out from Intel later this year as copying ARM Holdings and AMD's ideas is simply what Intel does now-a-days. Some of these Intel runs may be at a real 11-12nm size, some will claim to be 10nm but take that with a grain of salt as current production Intel 10nm really isn't 10nm as Intel's installed lithography isn't really up to 10nm (as proven by the many many many failed 10nm trial lots). =================================================== IBM and Google are actually showing some real progress on Quantum Computing, but nobody in the customer real world really seems to understand what Quantum Computing is or what "advantageous things" it will do for you. Here is a readable, easy to understand catch up on what Quantum is and what it can do for you ..... hint, it isn't going into your earbuds any time soon as it still fills up whole small rooms and uses liquid nitrogen for cooling (still primitive). https://www.itweb.co.za/office/in2ittech/content/kLgB17eJPYzM59N4 Best explanation yet, very NON-technical and fairly easy to read and understand. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/02/19 at 14:49:03 https://liliputing.com/2019/04/periodic-reminder-that-you-drm-means-you-dont-really-own-ebooks-movies-or-other-content-microsofts-ebook-store-is-shutting-down.html If you ever bought anything out of the MS Store (programs, e-books, movies, or other content) please take a second and read this. MS is shutting down that e-book portion of the MS store and they plan to SHUT DOWN your ability to use what you paid for. Digital Rights Management -- in MS's world you don't own anything, remember? :P And them trying to give you a $25 credit amount because they are shutting down your access to what you bought is a crock since you originally bought something that was way overpriced as listed in the MS store originally -- and they had taken your full value dollars back then and are now just giving you something for your $25 credit that carries another way overly inflated price in exchange yet again..... which puts you on the short end of that particular stick twice now and likely owing some more real money once again ...... :-/ :-[ :( |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/02/19 at 19:20:46 https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-cascade-lake-xeon-optane,6061-4.html http://https://img.purch.com/img-7853-jpg/w/711/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS84L1MvODMxMDUyL29yaWdpbmFsL0lNR183ODUzLkpQRw== Intel trots out their new bean picker CEO to try to explain their proposed new dual socket Xenon-Optane motherboard plus co-processors plus other stuff package that also has to have three different types of separate special Optane memory boards and a separate FPGA processor and a HUGE Ethernet communications card involved in the mix -- all supposedly working together to compete against the new single chip AMD EPYC processors that are 1) faster and 2) take far less than half the energy that Intel needs (400 watts is just for the dual Intel CPUs and Intel is holding mum about how much energy the rest of the stuff requires). The AMD EPYC single socket CPU has more and faster cores and COSTS WAY WAY WAY LESS THAN HALF OF THE TOTAL INTEL PRICE TAG. http://https://img.purch.com/r/711x457/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS80L1UvODMwOTEwL29yaWdpbmFsLzEyLUxpc2EtU3BlbG1hbi1DbG9zaW5nLVNsaWRlcy1wYWdlLTAwMi5qcGc= http://https://img.purch.com/20190306-153531-jpg/w/711/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS84L0cvODMxMDQwL29yaWdpbmFsLzIwMTkwMzA2XzE1MzUzMS5qcGc= http://https://img.purch.com/esdf-png/w/711/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS84L0gvODMxMDQxL29yaWdpbmFsL2VzZGYuUE5H Yep, that is a book sized Optane SSD in that lexan block and below it is a heat sinked Optane buffer card that is the length of a standard laptop just to get it all to go fast ...... You also have to fill up the RAM slots in your motherboard completely with lots of expensive Optane RAM cards. These Optane RAM cards by themselves costs $850 --- you can expect the other Intel items to run up to similar amounts of money. OK, how do you get this Intel mishmash to try to work as a unit -- you need a HUGE separately programmable Ethernet communications card of course with super high speed Ethernet running in between the various plug in cards and memory buses. This separate motherboard mounted communications card by itself dumps more heat and more wasted watts than the AMD EPYC processor takes period. Ditto for the heat loving always watt sucking three separate types of Optane memory that are also required by the composite Intel system. http://https://img.purch.com/20190306-153509-jpg/w/711/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS84L0UvODMxMDM4L29yaWdpbmFsLzIwMTkwMzA2XzE1MzUwOS5qcGc=l Intel's huge programmable Ethernet adapters don't draw as many flashbulbs normally, but in this case they serve as a key strategic asset for the company by acting as the glue that binds all the disparate Intel stuff together. Intel's new 800 Series adapters offer up to 100Gbps port speeds and support the new ADQ (Application Device Queue) feature that partitions network traffic into dedicated swim-lanes to boost performance significantly. The adapters also support Dynamic Device Personalization (DPP) profiles that enable smart packet sorting to route data intelligently. These adapters also support RDMA via iWARP and RoCE v2. 56 Cores, 112 Threads, 6 major components (some on separate boards) and a Whole Lotta current draw for the whole entire "you gotta buy it all on a new motherboard" Intel package. The AMD alternative is comparatively small, much lower cost, can run on your existing EYPIC motherboard using your old memory while being much more power efficient and simpler to implement. AMD has already made some market share headway with its existing EPYC data center processors, but the company’s forthcoming 7m Rome processors pose an even bigger threat to Intel with up to 64 cores and 128 threads packed into a single socket and chip, wielding a massive 128 cores and 256 threads in a single server die instead of an entire rack full of Intel stuff. The increased performance, and reduced power consumption of AMD EPYC purportedly outweighs Intel’s existing lineup of Xeon processors, so Intel has turned to a completely new line of "entire new system is required" Cascade Lake-AP co-processors to shore up its defenses in the high core-count space. These new co-processor heavy motherboard packages slot in as a new upper tier of Intel's Xeon Platinum lineup. These new two 9000-series (with 2 sockets and 4 co-processing items required) come packing up to a total of 56 cores and 112 threads in a dual-CPU die dual socket MCM (Multi-Chip Module) design ---- meaning that the two processor sockets and processor dies come together with four other major components in order to form a "single chip". Intel claims the disparate co-processor system offer the highest-performance available for HPC, AI, and IAAS workloads. The co-processors also offer the most memory channels, and thus access to the highest memory bandwidth, of any data center processor. Performance density, high memory capacity, and blistering memory throughput are the goal here, which plays well to the HPC crowd. This approach signifies Intel's embrace of a disparate multi-card multi-chip design, similar to AMD's EPYC processor's single die, for its highest core-count models. Yeah, it takes all that huh? If this doesn't read like it is actual or real or even really very technically feasible, remember it is being put out there by a brand new Intel bean picker CEO who is just reading the teleprompter slides -- he is contemptuous of his own people with the required technical expertise as he only believes in PR and stock price protection activities. And that is what he is doing -- using an improbable wad of BS PR announcements over several disparate Intel products to protect his faltering stock price. He has no intention of ever really making any of these conglomerated monstrosities, it is all for show so he can preserve that all important stock price. Needless to say, it is doubtful that Intel will sell any of these mash ups at the price Bob Swan would want for one, even if he could get it to really work at all. =================================================== http://https://img.purch.com/capture-jpg/w/755/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS81L1IvODEyNzk5L29yaWdpbmFsL0NhcHR1cmUuSlBH Remember, it takes all of that 6 pieces of disparate (and desperate) Intel stuff hooked up together inside a single rack case sucking in lots and lots and lots of power to not quite equal the throughput and speed of what Lisa Su is holding up in her dainty little hand. Lisa's stuff is real and has been shipping test programming samples to key AMD vendors for months now (the public shipping announcement for the completed vendor units and updated vendor motherboards is inside 26 days to take place at the May 27th AMD keynote address at Computex 2019) --- Intel's homegrown BS fictional stuff is a vague, sometimes in "late 2019, early 2020" and is unlikely to ever be really sold to anyone possessing both a brain and a price - benefit analysis speadsheet. Bob, what are you gonna do when AMD drops down to 5nm chiplets and increases the core count before you can even start shipping this somewhat smelly Frankenstein mess ???? Worse yet, suppose the existing already built and warehoused EPYC Rome 7nm Server Processor actually already has 162 PCIe Gen 4 Lanes of data throughput, more than twice as much as Intel's Xenon 9200 will have (if and when they get produced and shipped as promised -- mebbe inside the next 2 years that is ......) ;D |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/04/19 at 19:23:10 https://wccftech.com/tsmc-5nm-production-euv/[url][/url] TSMC 5nm Risk Production Starts; Process Delivers 15% Performance Gain at this time (with further performance increases expected as more fine tuning is done) Except for Intel, foundries all over the world are moving fast with next-generation lithography and manufacturing processes. Now, TSMC has commenced full risk production for 5nm and has validated the process design with its OIP (Open Innovation Platform) partners. Take a look below for more details. http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/2017_blog_contact-resistance-740x432.jpg Additionally, the fab has confirmed that 5nm has indeed finally entered risk production. This is right on schedule according to plans disclosed by TSMC last year. The 5nm process allows for 1.8X logic density and 15% performance increase on a Cortex A72 core when compared to TSMC’s 7nm. At this point, we’re uncertain about which 7nm process TSMC is referring to here. The company’s first generation 7nm (present on the Apple A12 and Qualcomm Snapdragon 855) uses DUV lithography, while its 7nm+ node based on the N7+ process uses EUV lithography. OK, 7nm++++ is officially known as 5nm, and as a real production process 5nm is working out jest fine in the real world. The latest ASML production equipment sold this year can do both 5nm and 7nm+++ at will, with some of the current new wave crew pushing it a bit (Samsung in particular) on down to 3nm for memory production. Apple wants to produce some very large volumes of iPhone chips at 5nm and Apple is pushing TSMC to get ready to do this --- to get ready for 5nm volume production ASAP. 7nm is getting pretty "standard" now and the real front runners who have been at 7nm for two years now all want to roll down a lithography notch to preserve their "unique" and "super cool" factor. A 15% performance upper and 20% energy savings bump PLUS GETTING TWICE AS MANY CHIPS PER WAFER COMPARED TO 10nm are the worthwhile bonuses companies are looking for by rolling over to 5nm just as fast as they can get there. Intel is a different story. Intel still can't get 10nm to work correctly. Intel still has not purchased any of the current ASML production lines and is not even listed on the published ASML waiting list. AMD is an OIP technology partner with TSMC and AMD is indeed getting trial runs of AMD chiplets done at 5nm so they can begin working on fine tuning the new 5nm level of lithography. =================================================== Another voltage divide is occurring at the 5nm level. We realize that the voltage divides that occurred at 12 volts, 5.5 volts and at 3 volts actually divided the market up into have and have not groups when the entire VENDOR SUPPLY BASE rolled down to the next lower voltage level and began charging a large premium to supply the old voltage items that some computer makers were still stuck at. The voltage divide is now not at 3.3 volts, but will be at 0.9 volts starting at the 5nm lithography level. Your screen and your cellular radio is now the highest voltage requiring item in your phone, and that stays at 3.3 volts I am afraid, so no serious divide effects are foreseen for this next generation lithography drop. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/05/19 at 06:59:33 https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/05/wells-fargo-downgrades-intel-on-weak-2019-demand-amd-competition.html https://www.marketwatch.com/story/intel-stock-falls-after-wells-fargo-downgrade-2019-04-05 https://www.thestreet.com/markets/intel-slips-after-wells-fargo-downgrades-chipmaker-14918288 Oh, how embarrassing for Intel ........ the official FAT LADY for Intel is Wells Fargo ?!!? Wells Fargo (Wells Fargo, of all people, I mean really, Wells Fargo. Talk about pots calling kettles black .....) has just downgraded Intel due to weak 2019 demand and increased AMD competition. "Weak semi demand data points thus far in 2019, coupled with an expectation of cautious outlooks into [the second quarter of 2019], leave us to consider some downside risk" to estimates for the first half of the year for Intel shares, Wells Fargo analyst Aaron Rakers wrote in a note to investors. Stock price for Intel immediately dropped OVER a percentage point, and increased to over a 2% drop inside hours and the Intel stock price is still down but moving back up very slowly. Expect even more unannounced illegal point stock repurchases by Intel shills to continue and to increase sharply simply to stop this market dip and stage something of a visible mini-recovery before close of trading today. This is also being seen by some as a vote of "no market confidence" on Intel CEO Bob Swan after his EMBARASSINGLY BAD teleprompter reading presentation yesterday on "the new innovative Intel rack space processor set". Anyone watching that stumbling slightly technically ridiculous presentation would realize you had somebody behind the mic that really didn't understand what he was talking about (or worse, he didn't think what he was saying was true, which is actually even worse when you think about it). Intel is now FOUR lithography levels behind the market leaders, perhaps that fact also plays in this Wells Fargo decision to downgrade Intel's stock price a bit ??? |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/05/19 at 22:16:09 Remember, Intel is in no danger of failing as a company simply due to losing ground in the PC arena. PC is only 15% - 25% of Intel's total business at this time. The rest of Intel is well diversified, with many small pet markets where they have NO competition to oppose them. What threatens Intel the most is becoming Price Noncompetitive in any of their pet markets due to higher cost, an effect that we already can see developing in some cases, with PC just being one case. First, it only requires a serious COMPETITOR to appear, and Intel has intentionally moved into international market niches where it has no serious competitor AT ALL as its opening modus operandi. At 14nm lithography Intel is good enough and efficient enough to compete on price in most of their selected market niches and Intel can discourage any new players from entering into their pet market niches by using the black bag tricks that they have mastered over the years. Some pundits consider TSMC to be Intel's real competitor, with ARM and AMD being just the distributors of the competitive technology that is disrupting Intel. Other pundits consider ARM's chip designs as Intel's real competitor, as it is the chip designs that actually make the win lose once the hardware can be built by any of the various paid foundries. Once Intel can no longer compete, they can simply choose to withdraw and then refocus on the niches where they can get the most bang for their buck. This is what we are seeing in PC --- a decision to withdraw once Intel can't make 14nm do the job for them any more. Intel can find other uncontested places to vend their 14nm wares as the world becomes more and more computer driven. This is also why an Intel processor is a intentionally generic sort of thing that can do MANY MANY jobs fairly well, well enough anyway. Make them and sell them by the billions, that's Intel. RISC-V systems (open source hardware and software acting together) are threatening to become "Intel's real competition" as the RISC-V competitor jumps up from a crowdfunding campaign practically overnight, then open sources the entire affair as the hardware and software are proven out together by a cooperative effort. Once proven out, the designs can then be reused by anyone who is a RISC-V supporter, and many existing computing and internet companies have indeed already signed up to be RISC-V supporting members as they would be stupid not to. Intel's generic designs will never be able to beat a full on "built from scratch" design that was carefully built to do just that one particular job, a design that is then free to be used and modified by a RISC-V member just by placing an order with a supporting foundry (the foundry just calls up the proven out design that is already programmed on their direct burn 7nm EUV line and makes you up the needed wafer counts for that particular order). Six months from crowdfunding to first shipments, Intel can't do anything that fast including scratch their head in amazement. And please don't think RISK-V cannot be used to build a desktop PC running Linux or Android. Already been there and done that -- successfully I might add. https://abopen.com/news/building-a-risc-v-pc/ http://https://abopen.com/app/uploads/2019/02/RVPC_Finished.jpg And here is another big point to remember -- the general Joe Sixpack consumer today really has NO IDEA of what chipset actually resides inside his device, and could really care less as long as it works fast enough when he hits the go button. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/09/19 at 06:53:52 German Mindshare.de First Quarter sales data for 2019 is in. AMD is still outselling Intel 2-1 in individual chip sales, verging on a 5-1 ratio for some of the more poplar AMD models. The Big Box finished unit sales still tend to be the more expensive gaming rigs, and there sales still tilt more towards the Intel boxes. Sales of large expensive gaming rigs are light at the moment, with the main flow of gaming sales going towards the Xbox/PlayStation sort of device. The gaming stations are almost 100% AMD based now. This has been consistent for over a year now. New Finished PC Units announced are predominately AMD based and tend towards the middle to lower total power range. This is also about the fact that AMD's middle to lower power level is as strong as the very best Intel ever was a couple of years ago. Smart shoppers know this and buy accordingly. New Unit Sales is different from the Total Installed Units comparisons. Watch this point when folks throw numbers around a lot, it is VERY misleading when they get them mixed up. Total Installed Units total data is old enough to say that Win 7 is still the dominant OS installed on the machines comprising this data ...... Some Stuff to remember as we head into the big AMD ZEN 3000 announcements for 7nm production ....... http://https://img.purch.com/capture-jpg/w/755/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS81L1IvODEyNzk5L29yaWdpbmFsL0NhcHR1cmUuSlBH IT IS ALL BASED ON THIS STUFF ..... The new AMD tech is this server tech, with some of the EPYC chiplets actually being the exact same as the RYZEN chiplets in some cases. The AMD Ryzen 3000 lineup is based on the new Zen 2 core architecture which is made possible with TSMC’s bleeding edge 7nm process node. AMD has reaffirmed that their Zen 2 based Ryzen 3000 series processors for the AM4 desktop platform will be available in mid of 2019. We are now hearing multiple reports of a possible launch in early July and that might be it as far as the launch day is concerned for the new desktop processors. AMD has made significant changes to their CPU architecture which help deliver twice the throughput of their first generation Zen architecture. The major points include an entirely redesigned execution pipeline, major floating point advances with doubled the floating point to 256-bit and double bandwidth for load/store units. One of the key upgrades for Zen 2 is the doubling of the core density which means we are now looking at 2x the core count for each core complex (CCX). Improved Execution Pipeline Doubled Floating Point (256-bit) and Load/Store (Doubled Bandwidth) Doubled Core Density Half the Energy Per Operation Improved Branch Prediction Better Instruction Pre-Fetching Re-Optimized Instruction Cache Larger Op Cache Increased Dispatch / Retire Bandwidth Maintaining High Throughput for All Modes So, Lisa Su actually sandbagged very strongly at her last big show presentation because Intel had totally failed in their 10nm execution and all the advanced items AMD had prepped for use against Intel 10nm were not needed at all, any whatsoever in the last six months. So Lisa Su totally sandbagged on all that advanced 10nm Intel beating stuff, very very strongly sandbagging all the new features she could have shown in her previous show presentations. She did this SPECIFICALLY to allow more time for more of AMD's old 12nm inventory to sell through at full price, and indeed AMD is even now hosting a MASSIVE Retail Discount Push to try to move all the rest of the old AMD 12nm inventory all the way out of the way before the new AMD 7nm stuff arrives in a few months. AMD knows that the new 7nm stuff will sell much much better than the old 12nm stuff did to the point if AMD doesn't help their vendors to move out all their old 12nm inventory then their vendor base might take some damage when the new 7nm stuff makes the old 12nm stuff relatively undesirable and "obsolete". The vendors have got to move the 12nm products before it becomes un-moveable. Since some of the most recent 7nm AMD advances are all server sized pipeline widths, greatly increased pipeline through puts and various other basic structural changes, these changes have got to come out now anyway. Ditto for the 7nm chiplet structure being like the server/rackspace structure and all the advancements based on that. If you think some of the consumer RYZEN data handling, floating point and branch prediction is going to be more like mainframe/server/rackspace type stuff, you are correct in that particular thought. Look to see Intel Consumer processors drop way behind the leader at this point in time, almost shamefully far behind. Intel consumer can't compete on a wide range of features any more. Intel is gonna be playing catch up from now on --- extending out for around 5 years to a decade or thereabouts. =================================================== Understand what comes after 7nm and why it will arrive so very quickly. 5nm is what it is called. It it can run on some of the most current ASML equipment that was purchased for 7nm production, so all players can take advantage of the 14-20% speed and efficiency improvements. You can also get twice as many wafers off your silicon wafer when compared to 10nm, so that is another good reason to use 5nm. The final reason is one Intel cannot touch or understand ..... unless they want to start stacking their 14nm chips up into towering infernos again. 5nm direct burn EUV can burn stacked layers directly into a solid thick silicone wafer when carefully calibrated and focused and controlled. Like ..... well ..... nothing we have ever seen done before. Current 7nm EUV can lay down 4 relatively crude stacked layers into a simple thick memory wafer --- generally used for simple stuff like memory chips, but the first generation 7nm EUV machines had to be customized out the wazoo to do that stacked laydown trick at all. But both TSMC and Samsung worked it all out and got it to yield enough good chips to make it work well. So, the stacked laydown tricks have been refined twice now and are now built right into the new 5nm ASML production machines as a basic function. Standard 5nm ASML EUV direct burn machines can lay down stacked layers 14 layers deep right into the same silicon wafer and that is with the standard 5nm production equipment. Apple is going 5nm ASAP (A-14 production) because they can do just about the entire device inside the layers of the CPU itself, including a goodly bit of memory. This saves a lot of money and a lot of post burn assembly processing time. The chips run a lot faster and the energy they use to run is a lot less. So, watch the Apple A-14 chipset when it comes out for radical new capabilities due to 5nm 14 layer direct burn EUV. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/15/19 at 08:04:12 There has been a recent ripple of supporter dissatisfaction inside the Linux Mint support community. Several key supporters have "gone on sabbatical" until such times that several of the recent basic software support choices by Ubuntu change back from the current picks. These bad picks were made by the Ubuntu folks upstream of Mint, these same Ubuntu folks who are now having their own set of issues with upkeep as well. Some of the new packages and sub-systems are far too cumbersome and require CONSTANT tuning and updating --- far too too much work to keep up with. Clem is being asked to "go back" to earlier systems that were totally stable (fully developed systems that were used in Mint 17 and 18). Clem is discouraged by this mess as his marching band isn't following his baton flawlessly any longer and his Mint world isn't totally peaceful any longer either. So, Clem is now beset with some time eating, nagging Ubuntu problems that were not of his own making ..... Clem is a member of the Ubuntu Council and he will voice his concerns, this we are sure. However, Mark Shuttleworth is the Ubuntu self-proclaimed "Beneficent Dictator Forever" as his million dollar donations pay for everything ---- and Mark sometimes does not always listen to other voices when it is time to finally pick a strategic direction. The Mint user community comments simply says they want Linux Mint to work well 100% all the time --- that any form of drama or ongoing chaos is anathema to them. A possible choice is to break with Ubuntu, but that isn't likely as too much is taken pre-made from the Ubuntu base in order to make Mint work. Regression to older Ubuntu levels is an option --- but since the Ubuntu base has moved on to new systems that is actually deciding to go back to outdated old systems and then agreeing to be totally stagnant, which is another bad choice which isn't going to work either. The last choice is to "paddle on through it" and that seems to be what we are doing ....... Mint Debian was developed relatively recently to work around a similar set of Ubuntu issues several years ago and it worked OK, but not flawlessly. Not well enough to expand its own use naturally to any degree anyway. Remember please, that the very existence of Linux Mint itself was a reaction from the Ubuntu community to a set of very bad choices made by Mark Shuttleworth quite some while ago. As Ubuntu itself was a reaction to some bad choices made by Debian even before that. Linux Mint currently sticks with the best most stable Ubuntu LTS version and they hold there for 2 years and then go to the next best most stable Ubuntu LTS version. The issue now is the 2 year gaps in this progression are getting more severe and problematical due to the rapid evolution of all the supporting softwares. =================================================== On another front, Android is also seeing a version of this ripple of "change illness" as Android phones across the board are not working as seamlessly on the long term any more. Since phones get replaced every few years this hasn't been as severe a rub point compared to the Linux desktop OS situations. Cynics among us point out that Google is getting ready to promote Fuchsia in its first cellular uses, and perhaps having a serious Android illness to fix right off the bat is a good thing for that particular effort. How bad is it? Linus himself acknowledges that there are too many basic Linux variants out there in Linux that are mutually exclusive at this point in time. Linus believes that excessive variations that serve no real purpose are detrimental to the entire Linux system. "Snaps vs Flatpacks" is his often given example of this unnecessary detrimental variation. Eventually, Linux as a whole will have to coalesce around a key set of basic systems or else desktop Linux will explosively fragment still further, going off totally into "systems based" mini-camps that will not allow easy software movement between them. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/17/19 at 02:37:07 https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/16/18411332/intel-exiting-5g-smartphone-modem-market-apple-qualcomm-settle-dispute https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/16/18410985/apple-qualcomm-settle-royalty-dispute-patent-licensing-terms-high-fees https://semiaccurate.com/2018/02/22/intel-talks-5g-connected-pcs-mwc/ http://https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/105700823-1548437122945swan.jpg?v=1548437163&w=740&h=493 Intel this evening says it has decided to leave the 5G mobile modem market to focus its efforts more on 4G and 5G modems for PCs and smart home devices, as well as its broader 5G infrastructure business. The announcement comes within hours of Apple and Qualcomm striking a surprise settlement in the two companies’ ongoing patent infringement and royalties dispute related to Apple’s use of Qualcomm modems in the iPhone. It’s likely Intel’s decision here was what prompted Apple and Qualcomm’s decision to settle — which all came as quite a surprise since it happened just as lawyers were presenting opening arguments at the latest courtroom trial that began yesterday in Southern California. But it’s unclear when Intel came to this decision, or when it informed Apple, and Intel has declined to comment. Either way, phone manufacturers like Apple will need to look elsewhere for their 5G radios now, and that means Intel just ceded that 5G cellular phone business to Qualcomm. And to Huawei. And to Mediatek. And to Samsung. It is clear that Intel has TOTALLY FAILED yet again to meet their Apple commitments to do the production design and to make fully functional energy efficient mobile 5G modem production runs that they contracted to do for Apple. “IT HAS BECOME APPARENT THAT THERE IS NO CLEAR PATH TO PROFITABILITY AND POSITIVE RETURNS” Intel bean picker CEO Bob Swan said in a statement today, perhaps misleading some folks to think this is perhaps an Apple "failure to pay enough" to support all the development costs and/or an Apple caused "modem design" failure of some sort. Not so, Intel designs the 5G modems, not Apple. Apple has LOTS of development money, enough to fund entire new levels of lithography whenever they want a new one. Apple isn't the failure side on this one at all. Intel took Apple's money last year for 5G cellular modem development, fumbled it away and now has failed repeatedly to produce a successful run of 5G cellular modems for Apple, failing again and again and again until “IT HAS BECOME APPARENT (to Intel) THAT THERE IS NO CLEAR PATH TO PROFITABILITY AND POSITIVE RETURNS”. How bad is Intel's failure this time? Bad enough to make Apple do a 180o ass-swapping reversal during the heat of a major court battle with Qualcomm and then to immediately sign a six year contract with Qualcomm after only 24 hours of negotiations. Intel has failed Apple multiple times now, and Apple isn't all that forgiving for those who fail and cost Apple lots of money. Expect Apple to put their own ARM based Mac processor chips for Apple laptops back into high gear again as they really can't trust Intel to do ANYTHING right for them any more. =================================================== LOOK AT THE PICTURE, notice the clustered crowd of "support personnel" who are now clustered around Bob Swan, currently the head "technically challenged beanpicker" CEO of Intel. This is the crowd that has surrounded him ever since he FLAT OUT FIRED all his old Intel Tech people and then hired Infosys out of India to be his major technological resource (and mebbe to provide his personal bodyguard security force as well ???? :-? ). Folks, I think Intel is fundamentally broken at the top, and things are not going to do very well under this new CEO's regime. Bob Swan is systematically firing and replacing anyone who could unseat him as CEO --- by doing so he is chopping Intel off right about at the armpits. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/23/19 at 03:38:04 Why does Intel stock go back up no matter what stupid thing Intel does this time? Answer: Intel stock is purchased by a whole lot of various employee stock purchase programs automatically each month. A stock downshift for a given real reason is relatively quickly overcome by the boost these automatic purchases provide. Intel stock took a significant hit before when Apple first dumped their 3G Intel modems, then rose right back up again within a week or so to sell for higher than before. This has just happened yet again at 4G. So, INTEL's Stock Price is responding to supply and demand while running off of automatic stock purchases, not being driven by rational anything. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/23/19 at 23:20:48 Why do new Intel machines require the use of so much Optane memory (systems memory and hard drive memory) in all their new claim to fame advertisements? Intel processors are actually no faster than last years versions (or year before last years versions). Optane memory however can speed the entire system package up somewhat, so Intel now requires the extensive use of it. Optane memory is very expensive stuff, but if used consistently as recommended Optane memory speeds the whole system up to meet Intel's latest claims --- at the cost of much higher energy use for the Optane memory and a 3x cost multiplier just to buy the stuff. ================================================== Also please remember, the Required INTEL Mitigations for Shadow, Meltdown and Spectre slow the new Intel machines down between 20-25% when doing real world work. This is more of a slow down than Optane memory provides as a speed up, so Intel is net in the hole compared to two years ago. Remember, Intel likes to cheat on benchmarks by not using any security Mitigations during testing (and always forgetting to share this little fact with readers). And also remember that super inflated Intel price tag keeps on going up and up and up ...... and up. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/24/19 at 07:48:23 https://liliputing.com/2019/04/rockchip-roadmap-includes-8nm-arm-cortex-a76-chips-coming-in-2020.html Rockchip roadmap includes 8nm ARM Cortex-A76 and Cortex-A55 cores (4 of each type in Big-Little configuration) shipping in devices first quarter 2020 Chinese chip maker Rockchip’s processors may not be as ubiquitous these days as those from rival MediaTek. But over the past few years we’ve seen multiple companies release Chromebooks, mini PCs, and other devices with the company’s RK3399 processor (or the closely-related OP1 chip). Are we possibly looking at Google's new OP2 Chromebook chip from Rockchip ??? So, what’s next for Rockchip? Next year the company plans to launch the RK3588, an 8nm octa-core processor featuring four ARM Cortex-A76 CPU cores, four ARM Cortex-A55 cores, and support for 8K video playback. These are the current 7nm design level items from ARM Holdings, so you can likely expect some newly designed 5nm big and little cores to be announced later this year from somebody using 5nm ARM Holding designs since Rockchip has just bought the current 7nm design stuff just now on a closeout fire sale ...... Remember, ARM will not announce any new 5nm design level until a customer actually builds something with the new 5nm processor design level -- ARM keeps totally mum so their initial customers always get their full first mover advantage out of each new design level that ARM does. Rockchip's buying into the old 7nm stuff on close out fire sale indicates that a new set of lower lithography ARM stuff is out there now and is in the process of being built out by somebody. http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/rk3588.jpg?w=553&ssl=1 Rockchip released details about the upcoming chip at an event in China this week, where the company explained that the move to 8nm should reduce power consumption by as much as 40 percent, while increasing performance by up to 25 percent. The RK3588 should go into mass production in products in the first quarter of 2020, so we could see it in Chromebooks, mini PCs, and other devices early next year. Also released by this announcement is one the first production announcements on TSMC's old rebuilt 10nm lines, not quite good enough to be called 7nm but very close to 7nm performance at 25% better than 10nm using 40% less power. Not too shabby for the very cheapest refurbished old production line stuff. And that is what RK3588 is, the cheap stuff, the lowest level Chromebooks, the cheapest set top boxes, etc. etc. Since Rockchip IS at the bottom end of the current market range, it is good to see Rockchip ramping up in throughput and goodness and to actually begin to use ARM's last major design release for CPU processors and GPUs and AI blocks and using all of the most current standards that are expressed inside these same 7nm level items. What is interesting is that this new rock bottom tier will be the rough equal of last year's expensive primo mid-level stuff and that once again all your old devices have slipped over the tech currency edge into the old stuff zone yet again ....... And I say again, are we possibly looking at Google's new OP2 Chromebook chip being produced by Rockchip ??? The last time Rockchip stepped out sharply like this Google was behind it ...... and Rockchip did very well selling at a discount what Google had commissioned in subsequent years. We have TSMC now producing at 10nm, 8nm, 7nm (two grades now), 6nm and 5nm with Samsung coming in with its own 5nm and a 4nm and a 3nm memory production process that is currently making real parts, right now. All of these odd half nodes are actually rebuilt older ASML production lines using some of the new 5nm-3nm tech in some very selective fashions --- mostly aimed at increasing yields and shortening processing times. (with Samsung actually pressing onwards for some just plain better stuff, too). :-/ Count on your fingers with me, Intel is now 7 lithography levels off the current pace and Intel is STILL making no real current movements to do anything any better ....... Title: "Intel, holding up a new product while showing absolutely NO technical progress" after being cut off at the armpits and gutted by its own bean picker CEO http://https://www.blackwindsix.com/users/DanSheehan12176/images/DanSheehan121763027365.jpg ...... his foot is resting on a frozen pile of intestine and bowels ..... Notice the big lying PR tongue hanging out of the product ..... Intel brags the most over "14nm technical nothings" of any company I have ever seen. Intel, Rockchip has now got 8nm lithography coming that is 2-3 generations better than your very best real production stuff. And 1-2 generations better than your smelliest brown PR "it ain't real at all" BS stuff (BS 10nm stuff that won't ship across the board until late 2021 with some very limited production in 2020 and a few stockpiled samples shipped in 2019). Intel, Rockchip has always defined "the bottom of the barrel" in CPU making. Lowest cost lowest volume supplier, etc. etc. etc. Intel, what do you have to say about this sorry extremely poor showing that you have made compared to Rockchip, the lowest of the low ???? ........ (dead silence from Intel -- no diaphragm, no lungs, no heart, no guts) |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/25/19 at 21:15:21 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-earnings-10nm-ice-lake,39178.html Intel's desktop volumes dropped 13% Quarter-over-Quarter (QoQ) and 8% Year-over-Year (YoY). Meanwhile, Intel notebook platform volumes dropped dramatically at 16% QoQ and 7% YoY, once again partially offset by a 9% and 13% gains in average selling price (ASP) due to abrupt "scarcity" price gouging by Intel at retail. The data center group (DCG) also weathered a 17% QoQ and 8% YoY decline, with ASPs declining 4% on the quarter. In that sense, the results and outlook presented today are just a continuation of the factors that started playing out last quarter, with tough year-on-year comparisons given the intense growth in competition last year. Revenue came in at $16.1B, the same as last year. However, gross margin declined by 4.0 points to 56.6%, at the lower end of what Intel calls its historical range of 55%-65%, although the company is usually above 60%. Net income was $4.0B, down 11% from last year. Intel revised its 2019 outlook to reflect a predicts a "mid single-digit" decline this year, with the non-volatile storage group (NSG), the memory making side of the company, experiencing a high-single digit loss this year. Meanwhile, Intel projects its PC-centric business will decline in the low single-digits. So, all is not rosy in Intel Land ...... http://https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/105700823-1548437122945swan.jpg?v=1548437163&w=740&h=493 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-intel-ceo-rips-the-band-aid-off-2019-04-25 Intel INTC, -7.24% reported first-quarter earnings and revenue Thursday that exceeded some estimates, even amid a steepening decline in its important data-center business. But that business and more memory-chip price declines led Swan — in his first earnings report since being named the permanent CEO — to lower Intel’s revenue guidance for the rest of the year by a whopping $2.5 billion. “The decline in memory pricing has intensified, the data-center inventory and capacity digestion that we described in January is more pronounced than we expected, and China headwinds have increased, leading to a more cautious IT spending environment,” Swan said on the company’s call with analysts, followed by a statement of confidence that demand will improve in the second half, based on customer conversations. Intel’s shares tumbled about 7% in after-hours trading. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/26/19 at 04:06:28 https://liliputing.com/2019/04/windows-10-may-2019-update-requires-at-least-32gb-of-storage.html The next major Windows update is set to launch next month, and it’s expected to bring some new features including support for a new light theme and Windows Sandbox for Pro users, as well as the ability for Windows Subsystem for Linux users to access Linux files using Windows tools. But one change that might not be so exciting? The Windows 10 May 2019 Update (also known as version 1903) needs at least 32GB of storage to run properly. That’s about twice as much room as used by Windows 10 version 1809 (the October 2018 update). Reserved Storage in Windows 10 version 1903 Previously Microsoft said you needed 16GB to run Windows 10 32-bit and 20GB for Windows 10 64-bit. Now you need 32GB for either version of the operating system. The change will probably hit folk with entry-level computers the hardest — there aren’t many Windows PCs that ship with less than 32GB of storage, but in recent years there have been some. Anyway, the new minimum storage requirement probably shouldn’t come as a surprise. Earlier this year Microsoft revealed that it was adding a feature called Reserved Storage that would be used to set aside space for Windows updates, temporary files, cache files, and other data. Among other things, this should reduce the likelihood that Windows updates fail to install because your device doesn’t have enough free space… assuming you have enough space to install Windows 10 in the first place. =================================================== https://www.pcgamer.com/au/usb-drives-are-confusing-the-may-2019-update-for-windows-10/ Presumably in a few weeks, Microsoft will begin rolling out the May 2019 update for Windows 10, but like the October 2018 update that came before it, it may arrive with some annoying issues. One of those is the inability to handle an upgrade if a USB flash drive or SD card is plugged in. It seems odd that in this day and age, Windows can get confused over something as commonly used as external storage. Nevertheless, it's happening. To deal with it, Microsoft is blocking the update from installing on PCs when it recognizes the presence of a USB flash drive or SD memory card. What gives? As spotted by The Register, a support article pins the problem on mismanaging drive letter assignments. When you plug an external drive into your PC, it gets assigned a letter. For whatever reason, the May 2019 update for Windows 10 can muck this up when there's an external drive attached. For example, let's say you have a USB flash drive plugged in and that it's recognized as drive G. After the upgrade, Windows might reassign it as drive H. That may seem harmless, but Microsoft notes in the support document that when this happens, Windows might also reassign internal drives as well, not just removable ones. That can cause major headaches that can't be solved with ibuprofen. "For this reason, these computers are currently blocked from receiving the May 2019 Update," Microsoft says. The good news is that Microsoft caught this before it starting pushing out the May 2019 update, which means it currently only affects members in the Windows Insider program. Microsoft also says that the issue will be resolved in a future servicing update for Windows 10. However, it's not clear if that will come before or after the update is made available to the public. ::) Linux Mint lacks all of these exciting new Win 10 "features" ---- more and more people are rolling over to using Linux as MS starts loses its friggin' mind more and more and more...... Win10 won't install in the reserved hard drive space MS had just carved out and reserved for upgrades any longer ..... and now YOU CAN'T HAVE A USB DRIVE PLUGGED INTO YOUR MACHINE AT UPDATE TIME OR WIN 10 GETS "CONFUSED" AS TO WHICH ONE IS YOUR BOOT DRIVE ????? Sounds like more sloppy MS programming again. :P http://https://images.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1422016589ra/13444482.gif |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Eegore on 04/26/19 at 05:25:25 It is sloppy programming. One thing again is just the convenience compared to how long it takes to get Linux to do modern things like multi-PC networking compared to the immediate usage of Win10. It takes less than 3 seconds to unplug a USB drive. It takes hours to troubleshoot Linux, and as far as I know it claims its developed for a "Classic Desktop" experience, which makes sense and is perfect for anyone wanting to go that route. But running VR, and running VR over linked PC's takes forever and is very unstable. Someone wanting to do that in Win10 they can run VR in less time then it takes to plug the device in and additional hardware. Linux Mint has its place but if the complaint is me having to unplug a USB I can't really say its an inconvenience. This is of course just comparing the time it takes to get linked VR running. Unplug USB, or troubleshoot Linux, I would rather unplug a USB. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/26/19 at 06:04:20 How did VR creep into this discussion? Specifically, what do you mean by the initials VR as several things use those initials. And when did you ever install Linux Mint? I missed that ...... Back to the items at hand, MS Win10 for consumers is so distracted and discombobulated lately that Win 10 won't even fit inside the space it secluded on your hard drive so it would always have "lots of room to roll over and install its updates". :D And Win 10 is now losing track of hard drive designations during updates so badly that it won't even install this latest update on a machine with a USB drive attached to it (the MS fix for the problem). OBTW, Microsoft did finally admit to having some issues last quarter of last year where it lost track of USB 2.0 functionality on some machines. Then MS fixed it in a nightly update, then reissued the error, then fixed it again (wash and repeat 3 times). So I was not alone going through this MS rough patch .......... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Eegore on 04/26/19 at 06:56:57 "How did VR creep into this discussion? Specifically, what do you mean by the initials VR as several things use those initials." On October 20 2018 you made a post about VR in this thread. Specifically SteamVR, VR is an abbreviation for Virtual Reality. I am attempting to utilize the use of Virtual Reality as an example of a situation where Linux takes longer to implement than Win 10, even if we calculate the time it takes to remove a USB drive from a PC. Poor programming yes, inconvenient compared to other software, no. "And when did you ever install Linux Mint? I missed that ......" Somewhere around Cassandra or Elyssa, I have mentioned in other threads that I have PC's sectioned off, I have 7 machines that run Linux Mint however in this particular thread I did not mention specifically "Linux Mint" I only stated that I do not use Win 10 on those seven. Just to avoid any confusion, I use zero PRO software, I do not use a corporate/business IT plan. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/26/19 at 07:44:58 For those searching for relevance, here is the post in question. Good luck with your search as October of last year was 6 months ago ...... and I am not sure this stuff ever went anywhere in any case. Linux Mint Cassandra and Elyssa were Linux Mint versions 3 and 5 respectively, and we are at Linux Mint 19 currently so these items are both quite old (2008 vintage) as well. http://https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/store/promo/steamvr/Verbs_BudgetCuts_720p_5Mbps_For_Web.mp4 https://liliputing.com/2018/10/steamvr-motion-smoothing-aims-to-make-vr-bearable-on-cheaper-pcs.html SteamVR motion smoothing aims to make VR bearable on cheaper PCs http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/steam-vr-motion-680x326.jpg Even the simplest VR experiences can look pretty lousy if you don’t have a computer capable of delivering high frame rates to your headset. Now Valve is introducing new technology that could make it a little easier for relatively inexpensive computers to keep up. The company is rolling out a beta of Motion Smoothing for its SteamVR platform. Once motion smoothing is enabled, SteamVR attempts to figure out if your computer is about to drop frames. If so, it’ll analyze the last two frames, estimate the motion and animation to come up with a new frame and deliver it. That means that if you have a headset capable of displaying 90 frames per second, you’ll still see 90 frames per second… even if some of them are estimated by SteamVR rather than generated by the game your VR experience you’re running. Valve says that reduces the amount of processing power used by the application you’re running… and if that’s not good enough for smooth performance, motion smoothing can synthesize up to three frames for every one rendered by the application. You do still need a computer that meets some minimum requirements to use SteamVR’s new motion smoothing feature. That means you’ll need a Windows 10 PC with NVIDIA graphics. The technology is also currently compatible with the HTC Vive and Vive Pro VR headsets, but not Oculus Rift or Windows Mixed Reality Headsets. As Gabe and Google worked out the details of Tensor 3 supported gaming, a wonderful thought occurred to Gabe. "Hey Google, is your Tensor 3 fast enough to do 3-D Reality Streaming of VR over the net?" |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/26/19 at 14:03:44 TODAY'S NEWS https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/04/26/why-intel-stock-is-taking-a-beating-today.aspx https://www.marketwatch.com/story/intels-stock-on-track-for-worst-day-in-more-than-a-decade-as-data-center-weakness-debated-2019-04-26 http://https://g.foolcdn.com/image/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fg.foolcdn.com%2Feditorial%2Fimages%2F521336%2Fintel-xeon-family-1.jpg&w=700&op=resize Why Intel Stock Is Taking a Beating Today The chip giant's problems are getting worse. Timothy Green (TMFBargainBin) Apr 26, 2019 at 12:50PM What happened to Intel to spark the rout??? Shares of Intel (NASDAQ:INTC) tumbled on Friday following a first-quarter report that beat expectations but featured a weak outlook for 2019. The data center business suffered a sales decline to start the year, and the company now sees that business declining for the full year as well. The stock was down about 10.1% at 12:10 p.m. EDT. So what happened again ??? Intel reported first-quarter revenue of $16.06 billion, flat compared to the prior-year period and $70 million above the average analyst estimate. The client computing group grew by 4.5% to $8.59 billion, but the data center group slumped 6.3% to $4.90 billion. Nonvolatile memory was also a weak spot, with revenue down 12% to $915 million due to a difficult NAND pricing environment. In the client computing group, unit volumes for notebooks and desktops declined by 7% and 8%, respectively, compared to the first quarter of last year. But a 13% increase in notebook average selling prices and an 7% increase in desktop average selling prices more than offset the lower unit volume. In the data center group, unit volumes were down 8% year over year, with average selling prices up just 1%. Data center unit volumes tumbled 17% from the fourth quarter of 2018. Non-GAAP earnings per share (EPS) came in at $0.89, up from $0.87 in the prior-year period and $0.02 higher than analysts were expecting. Now what ??? While Intel's first quarter was a bit better than expected, the company slashed its outlook for the full year. Intel now sees revenue of $69 billion and non-GAAP EPS of $4.35, down from previous guidance calling for revenue of $71.5 billion and non-GAAP EPS of $4.60. Intel is dealing with a range of issues that forced it to cut its outlook. CEO Robert Swan said during the earnings call that the decline in memory pricing has intensified, suggesting that the bottom is nowhere in sight. Swan also said that the ongoing data center inventory correction is more severe than expected, and that increasing China-related headwinds have led to a more cautious IT spending environment. This guidance assumes that overall data-centric revenue will be down a low single-digit percentage in 2019, with revenue in the data center group down a mid-single-digit percentage. Intel also expects the NAND pricing environment to become more challenging. The company will also be facing increased competition from Advanced Micro Devices in both the PC and server markets as that company launches new products later this year. ==================================================== I have said for quite some time that Intel lies like breathing ....... this week was just another good example. Info released on the Commercial side indicated that Intel 10nm products won't be ready for main stream until late 2021 to 2022 when the new plant gets built, proven out, and gets up and running with a decent yield. Then JUST TODAY Intel PR on the Consumer side claims they have already shipped trial 10nm units, have already run their full trial runs (where, might I ask -- since the foundations for the new plant aren't even poured yet?) and Intel has already sent them off to their customers to design new units around. As part of the company’s quarterly earnings release, Intel said we can expect computers with 10nm Intel “Ice Lake” chips to hit stores in time for the 2019 holiday season. The first Ice Lake chips will likely be 15 watt, quad-core U-series processors aimed at laptops and mini PCs like the Intel NUC lineup. I think Intel Consumer PR is intentionally deliberately getting "all confused" again. If they are talking 10nm Canyon Lake, it FAILED MISERABLY this past fall, had less throughput than existing Intel14nm chipsets and had a sorry <10% yield on 100% broken CPUs with NO GPU in them that worked at all. And yes, nobody did anything with those Canyon Lake trial samples you sent out. So, if you are saying you sent out some F marked Canyon Lake variants to actual customers that were sorted out of the mess (with no working graphics) I would simply say "Who would be stupid enough to pay a premium for an UNDERPERFORMING chipset that had no functional graphics? One that costs a lot more and has poorer performance than your current 14nm product (and NO GRAPHICS)?" So, we are back to lying like breathing again, huh Intel? Changing the name from Canyon Lake to Ice Lake doesn't fix anything, it is still BROKEN ...... ..... and if it fails again you will see yet another new name invented to be used for the next attempt at 10nm. ==================================================== https://www.marketwatch.com/story/intels-stock-on-track-for-worst-day-in-more-than-a-decade-as-data-center-weakness-debated-2019-04-26 Intel Corp.’s stock plummeted and closed for its worst day in more than three years Friday after the chip giant cut its outlook for the quarter and year to “cautious” levels late Thursday. Intel INTC, +0.10% shares had dropped nearly 11% Friday, threatening the stock’s worst one-day drop in more than a decade, but pared losses to narrowly avoid that fate, closing down 9% at $52.43, for its worst one-day percentage drop since Jan. 15, 2016, when the stock closed down 9.1%, according to FactSet data. Jefferies analyst Mark Lipacis, who has given Intel an underperform rating and a $40 price target, said to expect more cuts, with the view that Intel’s problems are company specific rather than industrywide, and that Advanced Micro Devices Inc. AMD, +0.07% will be there to pick up market share. AMD shares were up 0.1% Friday. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/26/19 at 16:07:08 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/04/intel-stockpiling-10nm-chips-warns-that-14nm-shortages-will-continue/ Ars Technica reports today that Intel is sorting and stockpiling 10nm trial run chips to get enough for a "product run", warns that Intel 14nm shortages will continue and Intel will continue quietly dropping in old 22nm processors unannounced (with under the table agreements taking place with various product builders to use them). So, Ars Technica sees the same "confused" Intel BS running out of Intel's mouth that I saw. * There are no new discrete 10nm "good chipset" runs (instead a bunch of stockpiled post sorted left overs from low yield trial runs is all that exists right now). Intel has enough "good chipsets" now to make some few short run token units up at a select few vendors, and that's all. * Full 10nm runs at decent yield in 2021 to 2022 is still the most likely reality of Intel 10nm at this time. In its earnings conference call, Intel has warned that chip shortages are set to continue into the third quarter of the year, However, the company has also said that its 10nm manufacturing/sorting process is improving faster than anticipated and that Intel will be able to sell more 10nm chips this year than previously predicted. ..... what the heck does that mean ???? Intel is sorting through their scrap piles yet again and is selling the GPU-less chipsets at full price ???? Intel's troubled migration to its 10nm manufacturing process has had many consequences in the wider computing industry. Gartner and IDC both say that some of the shrinkage of the PC market is due to a lack of processors, and companies such as Microsoft have stated that their financial performance would have been better were it not for the Intel shortages. Intel was expected to be building a wide range of mainstream processors on its 10nm by this point, reducing the pressure on its 14nm facilities. The delay to 10nm has prevented this from happening. So great is the demand for 14nm manufacturing capacity that in some areas the company has even had to go backwards. Most 300-series chipsets, introduced with Coffee Lake processors, are built on 14nm. In December last year, Intel released a new chipset, B365, aimed at mainstream consumer and corporate desktops. This chipset is built on the previous generation 22nm process to free up 14nm capacity. It's also believed that the company has issued a 22nm version of the H310 chipset, called H310C. These moves both enable the company to use its limited 14nm manufacturing capacity for chips with a higher margin than these chipsets. The company has also invested $1.5 billion on machinery to increase its 14nm output. Even with these measures, demand is outstripping supply, limiting PC sales accordingly. However, the end of this capacity limit does seem to be in sight. The company said that it's going to be able to ship more 10nm parts than previously expected, and it's currently building a stockpile of 10nm U-series Ice Lake processors for PC OEMs to test and validate. This means that 10nm systems should start shipping perhaps as soon as the third quarter and certainly in time for the holiday season. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/29/19 at 06:18:03 5nm is here now, shipping in bulk from TSMC and from Samsung in the form of memory products and smaller, simpler IC chipsets ..... and shipping in FPGA chipsets. Wait a second, FPGAs are larger much more complex chipsets, so how come they are shipping first? FPGA stands for field-programmable gate array. At its core, an FPGA is a vast array of interconnected digital subcircuits that implement common fairly simple functions while also offering very high levels of flexibility. It also is self diagnosing, as it is made up of many many many simple switch circuits that are programmed in patterns to make up the exact processor function you need at the moment. Once programmed, a FPGA keeps that configuration until wiped and reprogrammed. Both Intel and ARM will use FPGAs to test out new limping lithography systems as there is no failure to ship involved, bad gates simply result in a down-rating of the number of gates available in that individual processor. All the chips get shipped, some are just have a lot fewer gates than others. Thus, Intel advertises their Intel 10nm process as being in production, and it is, in a limited fashion --- making some Intel FPGA chips that are "continually sorted" for bad gates by their very functionality. ::) |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/29/19 at 11:34:24 https://liliputing.com/2019/04/35-atomic-pi-dev-board-with-intel-cherry-trail-now-available-form-amazon.html That's one BIG heat sink, ain't it ???? http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/atomic-pi_03.jpg?resize=612%2C500&ssl=1 Boy, for $35 that looks like quite a deal, doesn't it? Looks can be deceiving and ads can omit key details about what all you need to buy, can't they? http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/atomic-pi_02.jpg Reality Check time Cast your eyes across this $35 Intel single board Ubuntu computer ("partiallly complete" as shown) and in a single glance you can count all the stuff that an ARM based single board computer simply would not have to buy. (note please: go to the very last picture to see all the stuff that you really need to finally purchase to make this Intel board function properly --- note: if laid out flat it is the about same size as a laptop motherboard, in other words) "Mostly complete" I said, so remember you still have to shell out for separate shipping and handling for all the rest of these extra bits and pieces on top of your $35 for the central board itself --- and we are not sure if you need to pay extra for the memory sticks that are attached to the sub-board that is shown in the last picture. http://https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2185/4851/products/apboardset_1024x1024@2x.jpg?v=1556055616 http://https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2185/4851/products/apkbig_1024x1024@2x.jpg?v=1556055669 So is also clear to me that Intel is lying like breathing again, and if you buy into this 14nm monstrosity without proper investigation you could wind up paying a premium for the full bill of materials to make a functioning unit out of it. At that point you might indeed tell us that Intel has some pretty bad breath --- in addition to being very "reality challenged" and very very very fiscally mathematically challenged. =================================================== TSMC improves the 7nm +++ processes -- TSMC now calls them TSMC 6nm lithography to differentiate them from the 3 older versions of 7nm that have occurred over the last 4 years. A little extra info has come out on this new 6nm move -- the crux is that all 7nm designs have to be redone completely for use with 5nm lithography and below and these are very expensive, time consuming redesigns ..... By coming out with 6nm lithography that can use ALL 7nm designs "as is" unaltered, TSMC gives the current crop of front runners a working hedge against the skip a generation leap frog people dropping directly into 5nm (saving a generation and all that generational cost that comes with it). 6nm is said to yield 85% of 5nm productivity and energy savings, leaving it a close thing to a full 5nm redesign performance-wise (this is with ARM Holdings next level 5nm big, little, graphics and AI cores still being held as a complete top secret item until a customer actually announces them). TSMC is also now staking out that entire 7-6nm level of stuff "as theirs", as they can do it all at TSMC's 6nm running off of their modified older production equipment. This is the exact same thing TSMC has done with 10nm, rolling all the old designs down to 8nm without needing to redesign and by doing so getting most of the next level bonuses in speed and power savings at a very minimal cost to the builder/customer. Folks like Rockchip that have a 10nm processor design now can run their existing design at 8nm and get 85% of the performance and energy bonus they would have gotten by completely redesigning and going in at 7nm. The generation skipper crews will now move at 8nm, again at 6nm and again at 4nm, always staying with the cheapest process that gives them a competitive position. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/04/19 at 18:55:35 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-3000-series-matisse-specs,38310.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-third-gen-threadripper-roadmap,39254.html https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-buying-guide,5643.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/dell-amd-epyc-rome-server,39213.html Something's up with AMD's latest just released roadmaps --- changes are showing up that are possibly being driven by TSMC's recent 6nm announcements and/or some new hard yield data on AMD 7nm chiplet production that are showing up some new post production trends to AMD management. AMD could also be reacting to a general market shift that may actually be going on --- simply put AMD doesn't really need to prime the pump any further, but instead AMD may need to implement what they are already committed to do, then get a firm grip on the saddle horn (holding on real tight) and then simply ride the tiger as it explodes underneath them ...... Lisa Su and her opening remarks on the 27th of this month will tell us which functional pathway AMD is gonna be taking, which could be in a range from "sandbagging again" to "slowly implementing" to "blowing our minds with unexpected rapid progress" all over again. Tom's Hardware states: Threadripper, Ryzen, and Epyc Rome all use the same 7nm compute chiplets, meaning the use of these chiplets will compete with each other for the best wafers and for the best sorted chiplets, of which there likely aren't that many totally 100% flawless all top of the line wafers jest slam full of first class chiplets -- simply because the 7nm node is still quite new. Testing and sorting of the chiplets are all part of this equation as AMD needs to correctly state mhz and boost speeds on each type of chiplets that goes into their various chipsets. The newer the node, the more defects, meaning more low-quality or defective chiplets. Rome will, of course, get the best of the bunch, while Threadripper will need to get the chiplets that clock high at decent voltages, leaving Ryzen with the worst chiplets. However, as Threadripper is a niche product and chiplet supply could be tight right at first so there might not be any room left for Threadripper to snag some of the best chips that would make more money if AMD sold them as server CPUs. Motherboards are also a complicating factor. TR4, the Threadripper socket, hasn't seen an update since 2017 and still uses the X399 chipset. Granted, X399 boards can be quite good, but AMD will likely want to update it for Threadripper 3000. While we’ve seen leaks and news about 500-series boards for Ryzen, there hasn't been any news of a new chipset for Threadripper, making it unlikely the new Threadripper chips are on the near horizon. We may just need to wait for the next half-year horizon to roll around for Threadripper 3000. OK, TSMC has just now stated that 6nm lithography is now out there now saying that all 7nm designs from all of their customers can now be run on 6nm lithography at no real added cost and that all the development tools are exact the same as 7nm+ and 7nm++ and 7nm+++ so no design work is wasted in the 6nm conversion. So, to TSMC 6nm is going to be the long lasting, large, persistent lithography node, not 7nm+++ --- so you can see that TSMC really wants to collect and accumulate all of their various 7nm customer's past ordered stuff and to run them in the future under the 6nm banner for ease of scheduling. This will happen soon enough anyway due to pricing, but not overnight. This is all being put out there now, brand new, like a month before the 2019 Computex show's go date and all the big AMD announcements that are already planned to be made by Lisa Su at Computex. It is obvious that the TSMC 6nm change over has to be addressed at the Computex roll out by Lisa Su on the 27th of this month in some fashion as it affects all the previously laid out plans and road maps. However, getting better isn't a bad thing. It just requires Lisa Su to tee it up correctly and to describe it in a way that does not confuse the computer press and the AMD fanboy customers. Tom's Hardware is also stressing an interesting point about Intel and their "always claimed higher clock speeds". Intel only makes their exaggerated speed claims off of the best ONE (1) of their 4 or 6 or 8 cores and then by their own published sorting standard allows the rest of the compute cores to fall within a broader (lower) stated range of performance. It has always been that way, this trick has never been a secret with Intel (they just never talked much about it). AMD however makes their performance claims more accurately and AMD covers the entire processor and that carefully includes all the enclosed compute chiplets that make up the AMD processors. Both Intel and AMD have communications and power bridges in their products (the AMD 14nm center core is a good example of this) --- communications and power bridges that intentionally run at larger lithography as they are pushing the CPU power requirements down these same traces at the same time as they handle inner chip communications between the center communications core and the compute chiplets/cores. So, saying you are rating the compute cores/chiplets is somewhat more accurate, but the entire processor also includes AI blocks and Graphics blocks and some other items that are not strictly part of the compute rating per se. Saying you are judging the entire CPU is also a more accurate way to say things. But, note please, Intel doesn't do this at all ....... they just pay attention to the very fastest single core that they find inside a given processor. Given the additional 15% compute speed and 20% energy performance boost the 6nm change over may eventually bring to the AMD party, Intel is likely going to start to choke a bit over their cute little "only 1 core is the fast one" marketing tricks. Tom's Hardware is now carefully keeping independent real world performance / price ranking data on all Intel and AMD processors performance-wise using a range of standard benchmark tests on a sample set of processors to rank them correctly against each other. We now note that Tom's is already reality ranking some Ryzen classes of much cheaper AMD processors as being functionally faster & better than some of Intel's older big expensive energy sucking Core i7 kahunas. Tom's is also keeping track of the selling prices and tracking the various resulting "value per dollar" effects. Quite frankly, Intel sucks at "value per dollar" lately and that situation is getting worse, not better .... https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-buying-guide,5643.html Toss into the mix the fact that ALL the AMD cores just naturally perform that fast, while the Intel processors have to run on the very most modern style of Intel motherboards in systems that are LOADED UP with several different layers of expensive Intel Optane memory types WITH ALL OF IT BEING REQUIRED TO WORK TOGETHER to get to that good advertised Intel "processor" performance level ..... and that means you the consumer will have to pay all those hidden costs when you go get "Intel Inside" on your new machine purchase. ..... and you always need to remember that your Intel processor is rated just off that ONE (1) very best core that it contains ..... and the entire shebang never actually runs as fast as that ONE (1) very best core as all the cores count towards processor performance numbers. ..... it ain't the whole Intel processor, boys and girls ..... it never has been ::) P.S. please don't forget to calculate in your Intel mitigations for the Spectre, Meltdown and Spoiler vulnerabilities (20% off the top, minimum) ..... Now, as far as what is standard processor clock speed, what is "overclocked" and how much higher is it actually ..... these get off into marketing BS with Intel so deeply there is really no way to explain or to compare them. This is why Tom's set up their own reporting and ranking system, one that is impartial and structured to show the comparative merits of a computer CPU system with all its multiple multiple cores that can actually run at different speeds under different thermal loads. ....... and yes, a better CPU cooler and better memory does mean better and improved performance, generally speaking ....... as does running (or not running) your Meltdown/Spectre/Spoiler mitigations ...... or even which OS systems you run the test under ...... =================================================== https://www.tomshardware.com/news/dell-amd-epyc-rome-server,39213.html Significant new SKU announcements from both of the Hewlett Packard and the Dell Server and Consumer sides ---- AMD will immediately take over 30% of HP's server output due to Intel failing to meet existing CPU Processor orders. HP and Dell Consumer (desktop, laptop and Chromebook) and the HP and Dell Server Areas are all showing multiple new AMD based units popping up within the last 2 weeks. On the same note, Dell will immediately TRIPLE the number of Server SKUs with EPYC Server processors inside them instead of having "Intel Xenon Inside". This Dell change goes well beyond the 30% mentioned earlier. This is a set of simple factual announcements coming out from HP and Dell less than a month ahead of the AMD Computex dog and pony show announcements from AMD. HP is the world's largest supplier of PC products, and coupled with #3 Dell's new AMD product announcements this may signify a large real shift in computing away from Intel and towards AMD. Lenovo at #2 has not been heard from yet, but Lenovo will be announcing something fairly soon it is believed. Dell and HP are the most SIGNIFICANT USA finished box producers of consumer and server products ...... and for both of them to be showing such large pro-AMD movements on their own, independently, means that a large pro-AMD market shift really is likely taking place in the US market as we speak. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/07/19 at 06:54:41 We heard rumors that Win 10 was getting twice as big size wise ---- it is here now and it is over twice as big as it used to be. Windows is HUGE compared to what it used to be, it now includes the kitchen sink and the guest bathroom AND A FULL LINUX INSTALLATION. Microsoft feels that they are losing market share on the professional side to Linux so to combat that loss they are INCLUDING a version of Clear Linux in all Win 10 installations. And oh goodie ...... you get to pay Microsoft big bucks to include a free Debian OS system. MS will slowly roll more and more functions over to Linux as compared to MS own operating system it is far far easier to maintain a Linux and it simply works better. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/07/19 at 08:31:22 https://www.anandtech.com/show/14290/tsmc-most-7nm-clients-will-transit-to-6nm http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14290/tsmc_wafer_semiconductor_chip_300mm_fab_2_678x452.jpg In this week's quarterly earnings conference call, TSMC’s revealed that the company expects most of its 7nm "N7" process customers to eventually transition to its forthcoming 6nm "N6" manufacturing node. The upcoming node will use the same design rules as the N7 node, making it easier for customers to transition to the newer, denser node. And, if TSMC's predictions come true, N6 is now on the path towards becoming another widely-utilized, long-serving process node for the company. In comments made during the quarterly call, CC Wei, TSMC's CEO and vice chairman noted that “most of the customers in the N7 will move to N6.” In fact it sounds like TSMC's N6 node is set to become another one of TSMC's popular, high volume nodes, with Wei further stating that “from that day on probably, the N6 will pick up all the momentum and pick up all the volume production.” As previously reported, TSMC’s N6 process technologies adopts extreme ultraviolet lithography (EUVL) to lower manufacturing complexity by reducing the number of exposures required for multi-patterning (which is needed today as TSMC’s N7 uses solely DUV lithography). While TSMC's N7+ uses up to four EUVL layers, its N6 expands it up to five layers, whereas N5 expands usage of EUVL all the way to 14 layers. 8nm will roll up all the 14-12-11-10-10nm++ and 10nm+++ design worlds that were running off of several older immersion lithography design levels, burning them directly with the modern EUV production systems in just 1-2 passes. Rockchip is a good example of a low end producer who is at this 8nm node level right now. 6nm will roll up all of the existing 7nm worlds as they sit right now with layers at 1-4 deep as run on modern existing EUV scanners. AMD is a good example of a supplier at this 6nm roll up node level right now. So, the new 5nm is likely to roll down to 4nm or 3nm as its steady state, running at 16-24 EUV layers deep running on the newest extreme EUV systems. 5nm as it is now will be a very short lived node at 4-14 layers deep. Still likely worth pursuing for Apple and others who need the latest and greatest production system for image purposes for next year. What does this mean for Intel and Global Foundry? Modernize your equipment NOW or go extinct inside 5-10 years. Intel has to start moving while they still have a good enough cash flow to support buying modern equipment. Intel has started losing some of its customer base just recently so the death clock is ticking for Intel now too. For Global, it is simply too late already as Global has already lost a good chunk of their customer base already ...... and now AMD is gone for Global now as well. Global has got some fire sale pricing on their existing production lines, but nobody is buying them. =================================================== https://liliputing.com/2019/05/google-assistant-is-getting-10x-faster-thanks-to-on-device-language-processing.html https://liliputing.com/2019/05/google-unveils-new-features-coming-to-android-10.html Google Assistant has historically relied on cloud-based services to recognize your voice and respond to your requests. But Google says it’s managed to shrink its voice recognition model to about 500MB, allowing it to be stored on a phone for on-device processing. Since there’s no round-trip to the cloud required, that means Google Assistant can recognize and respond to your voice much more quickly. Among other things, that means opening apps, taking selfies, responding to incoming messages, composing emails, getting directions, or searching through photos. Continued Conversation support means that you don’t need to say “OK Google” before every request. If you already opened Google Assistant to view your calendar, for example, you can then just ask it to add an reminder or start composing a message. Some actions will also work even if you’re offline, such as toggling your flashlight or viewing your calendar. On-device machine learning Among other things, Android 10 will include native support for 5G cellular connectivity and native support for devices with foldable displays. It also includes support for on-device processing of text-to-speech, among other things — including support for creating Live Captions of any audio or video playing on your device. You don’t even need an internet connection to generate Live Captions. Google says it used to need a 2GB, cloud-based model for this sort of text-to-speech technology, but now it’s done using an 80MB file that can be stored on device. Similarly, Smart Reply can be run on-device in Android 10, offering suggested replies to incoming messages or even suggested apps you might want to open. Since data doesn’t leave your phone, Google says there’s also no need to send the data to Google servers, thus protecting your privacy. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/07/19 at 13:28:37 Intel announces ------- Ta Da !!!! a 28 core dual socket consumerish looking Xeon chipset that is "under development". Intel has a problem with this though --- they have no free production capacity to build such a beast and no socket and no motherboard to put it in ...... and Intel has given out NO TIMELINE to do the building of these items inside. There may be a presumption on Intel's part that existing big server rack based board designs will be used, in which case I say "ouch" to the cost factor that would represent. Intel also has this longstanding habit of pushing out brown blasts of stinky vapor whenever AMD gets ready to actually go do something that is real. Each vapor blast is good for up until the next vapor blast is issued forth from the Intel PR orifice at which time the odor of the old blast is replaced by the new odor. Eventually, Lisa Su will simply start calling bullshite on all of Intel's bogus announcements like this one and simply quit treating them seriously. What is sad is AMD really can easily build up to a 64 core chipsets with their existing chiplet tech so a 32 chiplet version in a consumerish type of board is also possible, but not needed --- it is Intel who "can't ever get stuff like that together" and uses the brown vapor cannon so freely. AMD is taking over the tech leadership position this year and we hope they will be responsible with their new mantle of power. =================================================== https://www.hpcwire.com/2019/05/07/ten-great-reasons-among-many-more-to-build-the-1-5-exaflops-frontier/ When we get a semi-nonsense vapor blast from Intel that comes out of the blue and seems unconnected to anything else that is going on I start waiting for the other shoe to drop. Intel likes to "get ahead" of big competitor announcements from AMD and others, even if it is a meaningless blast of nonsense on their part. Today, AMD and Cray announce that Oak Ridge Laboratory is asking them to quickly build the worlds strongest large computing array. It will be called Frontier. It will be rated using the brand new exaflop designation (hey, really really really big and fast) and it will be built programmed and installed during 2020 for only 600 million dollars. This is really really cheap and small and fast for a world beating technology expanding biggest performance ever super computer. Frontier's many Single-socket nodes will consist of one CPU and four GPUs, connected by AMD’s custom high bandwidth, low latency coherent Infinity fabric built from AMD 6nm compute chiplets on the same piece of connection silicon. In all the sound bites the network commentators ask the question "Why aren't you using Intel?' Lisa Su dodges that question gracefully as she personally abhors being snarky and a real answer would have to seem snarky to a layman just listening to it. The answer is read the paragraph immediately above this and realize that Intel is at least 4 lithography generations behind AMD right now and the last Intel based supercomputer that was built 2 years ago cost 20 times more money, did not meet its completion deadlines and did not perform in the end as well as Intel had promised it would. Technically, it is still not yet completed as per contract, so what can Lisa Su possibly say about it that wouldn't seem snarky to somebody? The cooling plant alone for the last big Intel unit cost a third as much as Frontier will cost to build in total just to give you another comparison point. Cray simply refused to consider using Intel this time around ....... Intel is no the longer technical leader in computing and is scorned now by Cray because of their very poor past performances. =================================================== Also realize why AMD is going to be somewhat quiet for the rest of this year ---- they are gonna be BUSY BUSY BUSY little beavers. At the end of this intense effort, expect that AMD will have made several significant leaps forward technologically (government funded in essence) making some strong AMD only advances that you will likely see showing up in AMD consumer units inside 2-3 years time. Expect some currently classified details not to come out until then ...... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/08/19 at 22:12:29 https://www.anandtech.com/show/14312/intel-process-technology-roadmap-refined-nodes-specialized-technologies http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14312/intel-process-roadmap_575px.png This is an interesting read. It starts out with 'explaining' why Intel couldn't move off of 14nm for so many years ...... and why by golly in each of those years Intel had a roadmap for progress just like this one, roadmaps for "relentless innovation" that never actually took place (or failed repeatedly and stalled out which is closer to reality). Then Intel proceeds to lay out a brand new road map that takes most of a year just to get 10nm started and three years in total to get 10nm up totally to speed, has 7nm magically dropping into place halfway before 10nm even gets going good and shows 7nm progress in stages in three levels of 7nm that are going to take an additional 3 years to arrive and 5 years supposedly to complete. These are Intel years, of course ---- kinda like dog years in reverse. ::) ...... and why is this new roadmap any different than the last 6 of them ????? The entire thing is simply for stockholders reassurance, to read with glazed eyes to make an uneducated non-technical stock holder hold on to his Intel stock for just a little bit longer. Hey, they gotta plan ...... see, it's gonna be OK. Some interesting stuff here, take a look at that vertical scale Intel is using on the left side of the chart. Transistor efficiency (performance per watt). Did Bob Swan realize that in his own PR chart slides you are clearly saying that your competition (TSMC, AMD, Qualcomm) are twice as good as Intel is right now when rated on compute performance per watt? Bob, you have fired folks for saying embarrassing true stuff like this out loud publicly like this ...... did 'ol Murthy make up these slides, Bob -- or did you ??? Me, I'd like to see a performance per dollar chart, myself ..... Also, Bob, did you realize that your published roadmap also clearly admits just how many lithography generations Intel is behind everyone else at this particular point in time? Everybody else's roadmaps show 6nm and 5nm as their future plans --- where are the 6nm and 5nm on the Intel roadmap plans? Harsh reality is that TSMC has just started a roll up plan for all their 7nm customers to move them all on down from the various 7nm versions down to a consistent TSMC 6nm this year, to be finished before Intel even gets started with their first of 3 waves of 7nm and before Intel ships 10nm in any full production volumes. Similarly, TSMC and AMD will roll down to 5nm before Intel finishes moving to 10nm, much less 7nm. Intel did not address this TSMC 6nm roll up plan at all, nor did they talk about AMD, Cray, Frontier or any of their other current Intel image killing issues at all ---- anyone familiar with the industry realizes that Intel PR sessions such as this one are just more smoke and mirrors intended to reassure and distract worried stock holders, nothing more. The only thing this set of lies will eventually lead to is another CEO management change at Intel when the promised "relentless innovation" changes don't happen, a management change that is sorely sorely needed currently at this point in time. In an attempt to redirect the ax away from his own (Bob Swan's) neck, Murthy Renduchintala has been put in charge, putting ol' Murthy clearly out in front and completely responsible for this next wave of "Intel relentless innovation". The responsibility for this year's market share losses and "failure of the plan" now clearly rests on Murthy's neck now, not Bob Swan's. Murthy should go get him another job right now, and simply not be there for the next scheduled Intel chopping block party. Nasty ax ya got there, Bob ...... who you gonna chop next year once Murthy is all shortened up (or else goes AWOL on you) ??? :P =================================================== https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/10/dow-stock-intel-is-having-its-worst-week-of-2019.html Intel is getting chip wrecked. Shares of the Dow stock slid more than 5% on Thursday following comments from CEO Bob Swan that he expects the company to grow revenue at a single-digit percentage rate for the next three years. The stock was also downgraded to market perform at BMO Capital Markets, with analyst Ambrish Srivastava writing in a note to clients that "at best, we see the shares [of Intel] treading water." Intel is now down nearly 10% for the week — on pace for its worst week of the year — and down more than 15% in the past month. While some might say this is an opportunity to buy the dip, two experts warn that the stock's fall may not be over just yet. "I think specifically when it comes to Intel there's really not much to like here," Strategic Wealth Partners' Mark Tepper said Thursday on CNBC's "Trading Nation." "Strike 1, they gave us weak guidance during their earnings release. Strike 2, they underwhelmed us on investor day. Their PC business is flat to declining, gross margins declining, it's going to continue to do so for the next two years. So I'm not going to wait for strike 3," he argued. One of the reasons BMO downgraded Intel was due to increasing competition from chipmaker AMD. Tepper echoed this point, saying "AMD is coming at them full throttle" and taking market share away from Intel, and also forcing the company to slash prices in an effort to stay competitive. Hey, strike 3 for Intel occurs on the 27th of this month. Intel's specious little "relentless innovation" slide scam got caught out by Wall Street pundits who have slammed the stock with warnings and downgrades, saying even if you believe the "relentless innovation" plan as shown Intel is scheduled to make no real progress on its competitors for AT LEAST the next 2 years. Being non-competitive for 2-3 more years is more than Wall Street can stand. And Wall Street wants Bob Swan gone ---- ASAP. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by verslagen1 on 05/09/19 at 07:57:12 The relentless marketing BS will continue until moral improves. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/09/19 at 08:11:26 Following up on my theory that Intel always hits their big brown stinky fog horn right before AMD actually does something neat for real, so here is the latest real neat stuff coming in new from AMD. https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-3000-16-core-7nm-zen-2-cpu-leak-up-to-4-2-ghz-es/ http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/AMD-Ryzen-3000-Zen-2-Processor-1030x579.png Getting straight into the details for the leaked part, we are looking at a 7nm Zen 2 based Ryzen 3000 series processor which features 16 cores and 32 threads. It was more or less confirmed at CES 2019 when AMD first presented their 3rd Gen Ryzen processors that the Chiplet design will allow for at least two Zen 2 chips on the silicon interposer. So while AMD had shown off an 8 core and 16 thread processor, there was room for even higher 16 core count Ryzen 3000 SKUs. Now with this leak, we can now say that the 16 core (32 threads) AMD parts are coming down to the mainstream AM4 socket with a real example to point at. The clock speeds for this part are also mentioned and those are adjusted at 3.3 GHz for Base and 4.2 GHz for Boost. We do not know the motherboard that this new chipset testing was run on, so bear in mind that the chip that has been leaked is said to be a very early engineering sample on a non-optimized motherboard and as we have seen with past engineering sample chips, the base frequency in the final retail variants tend to be tuned much better and the base frequency is set a good bit higher. AMD has released these early engineering samples of their 16 core processor so board vendors can work on and optimize their new boards to take full advantage of the new increased AMD throughput specifications and larger ram amounts that can be used by the new processors. To equal this $699 AMD chip in Intel's world, you have to buy a Xeon rackspace motherboard and put two good sized Intel $1800 Xeon mainframe chipsets in it, and crowd up the board with lots and lots of expensive Optane memory ........ ($$ ouch $$) ........ ::) :P :-/ :-? ::) :P |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/09/19 at 15:52:26 https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-is-coming-to-your-chromebook/ Google I/O for 2019 is over now, and one last announcement in particular that was sorta downplayed by Google when they made it, but today analysts all over computerdom have jumped on it and are testing for it and so far have verified it (providing you have a top end Chromebook with enough processor and enough memory to do it). Chromebooks can run ChromeOS, Android, Linux. We knew that already. The steps to do this weren't all that hard to accomplish, but it entailed turning on Chrome OS development mode and doing the Crouton assignments at least once to get it all set up. What has changed is that today, any top end Chromebook you buy today going forward WILL ACTUALLY BE ..... 1) A full Chromebook 2) A full Android laptop 3) A full Linux laptop 4) A full Microsoft Office laptop able to get there 3 different ways depending on what you have already Google quietly changed things up this last Chrome OS release and didn't say anything about it until yesterday. Digesting the last two items may take a bit, but you can hit a keyboard combo key stroke and switch over to Debian Linux (and by inference Ubuntu and Mint just as soon as the distro boys catch up with the curve a little bit) and you can install and use the full MS Office for Android, or the full MS Office for Linux or simply use MS Office Online ...... or if you wish you can now use Windows 10 OS as has been modified by MS to run your existing license for Office 365 (which includes multiple instances of Windows 10 as installed by you on "all your supporting devices"). We have noted before that MS was ripping off the Chrome browser (sticking it inside Edge) and installing a FULL LINUX KERNEL inside Windows 10 OS itself ..... and MS has also started putting a set of basic FOSS Linux apps inside that same directory structure. (And the size of Windows suddenly doubled, too. Did you guys notice that?) MS was intending to collectivize Chrome OS and Chrome browser as a subset of Windows 10 ....... and Google was OK with that while using the standard FOSS Linux license. Windows firmly intends to adapt to be whatever the future becomes, wishing primarily to get you hooked on their MS nightly maintenance and the monthly maintenance fee charges no matter what they have to do to do that. Ripping off Linux and Chrome browser seemed OK to MS, as it is allowable by the FOSS license anyway. Google seems to now be short cutting that MS effort by doing the full enchilada first from their end, giving you all the benefits of MS Office with none of the MS pay me monthly BS fees. Google does do nightly Chromebook updates too, but Google's updates always work correctly and Chrome updates NEVER intrude on the actual user's computing experience. You never see it, never have to wait for it or have to fiddle with it. You certainly never have to pay for it. Google and FOSS don't mind Microsoft's sneakily appropriating their code, but both now remind Redmond that that situation cuts both ways, Microsoft's attached OS code (Windows 10) has now become FOSS too by legal definition. And that legal fact just came home to visit Redmond's brain-dead bosses. ...... eeek !!!! :o Let's all see what happens next ....... (hey, pass the popcorn over this way and gimme a beer while you are at it, too) |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Eegore on 05/09/19 at 20:40:06 Edit: Nevermind, I was asking a question I found an answer to right after posting. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/10/19 at 18:34:37 https://www.pcworld.com/article/3394680/how-windows-and-chrome-quietly-made-2019-the-year-of-linux-on-the-desktop.html http://https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2019/05/windows-linux-100796105-large.jpg After years of endless jokes, 2019 is truly, finally shaping up to be the year of Linux on the desktop. Laptops, too! But most people won’t know it. That’s because the bones of the open-source operating system kernel will soon be baked into Windows 10 and Chrome OS, as Microsoft and Google revealed at their respective developer conferences this week. Microsoft is overhauling its Windows Subsystem for Linux, which surprisingly debuted in the operating system three years ago. It allows users to run the iconic Bash application and other Linux software via the command line, but because it relies on emulation, performance often suffered. The cleverly named Windows Subsystem for Linux 2, announced at Microsoft’s Build event this week, shakes things up by shipping a full Linux kernel (version 4.19) within Windows itself as a lightweight virtual machine. Doing so should supercharge performance for developers who use the tool. “This same kernel is technology used for Azure and in both cases helps to reduce Linux boot time and streamline memory use,” Microsoft corporate vice president Kevin Gallo said in the announcement post. “WSL 2 also improves filesystem I/O performance, Linux compatibility, and can run Docker containers natively so that a VM is no longer needed for containers on Windows.” Windows subsystem for Linux 2 by Microsoft A companion post by Craig Loewen, the program manager for the Windows Developer Platform, filled in more details. “File intensive operations like git clone, npm install, apt update, apt upgrade, and more will all be noticeably faster,” he wrote. “The actual speed increase will depend on which app you’re running and how it is interacting with the file system. Initial tests that we’ve run have WSL 2 running up to 20x faster compared to WSL 1 when unpacking a zipped tarball, and around 2-5x faster when using git clone, npm install and cmake on various projects.” Those are impressive jumps indeed, with the bigger 20X improvement numbers fueled by changes in how the Windows Subsystem for Linux’s file system management behaves. It’ll be interesting to see how WSL2’s performance holds up in the real world when it ships later this year. Microsoft’s also planning to release a jazzed-up Windows Terminal to run your Linux commands, complete with tabs and the sexiest trailer for a command line tool that I’ve ever seen: Linux software on all Chromebooks Chromebooks have been intertwined with Linux since their inception. Chrome OS is built atop Linux, so you’ve been able to install Linux on Chromebooks for years. In 2018, Google added the ability to run Linux applications on Chromebooks by moving to a beta channel. That capability has been limited to specific Chromebooks, however—but not for long. During its Google I/O developer conference this week, Google pledged that going forward, all Chromebooks will be able to run Linux apps, regardless of whether the processor inside was built by Intel, AMD, or ARM, ZDNet reports. You’ll be able to run terminal commands and even graphical applications like GIMP and LibreOffice, right from inside the standard Chrome OS interface. Giggity. How-To Geek has an excellent explainer on how to coax Linux software into running on compatible Chromebooks today. Get this: Chromebooks also support Android apps, as Google’s mobile operating system is also built on Linux. Which means that developers could run software from three different operating systems at the same time on a Chromebook. So much for the stigma of Google-y laptops being glorified web browsers. Whither Linux? There you have it: Between lurking in Windows 10 and Chrome OS, and the tiny portion of actual Linux distro installs, pretty much any PC you pick up will run a Linux kernel and Linux software. Macs won’t, but it’s based on a Unix-like BSD system that already runs many Linux apps with relative ease (hence Apple’s popularity with developers). Now take the flip side of this announcement, that Windows has subsumed Linux and tucked it away inside its bowels like a reproductive organ. Windows is pervasive, and anything that can make Microsoft more stable and more reliable is a good thing for the world, relatively speaking. Microsoft is counting on being able to front Linux correctly inside their nightly update nightmare world and to convince people that is how they should get their hit of Linux while still using (and paying for) some distinct favorite MS Office programs. What MS needs to do is make this paring VERY easy to live with. And VERY reliable. And VERY VERY VERY fast. Unfortunately, MS has proven they can frig up a wet dream, so expect them to give their approach to Linux some of their own carelessness and bloat issues when they start pushing updates that affect it. What we don't see so far is anybody trying to FOSS away any of the MS program functions ---- they could, you know ---- but the question becomes do they even want them? By and large, FOSS Linux software works better than MS programs, it is less trouble to keep up with and it certainly costs a lot less. But surely there is something worth taking ...... Open source folks may just avoid MS's existing original bloated stuff by pure habit, unless it is actually better stuff, then they can take the specific code they like out of it legally and incorporate it under FOSS licensing (that is if it is part of the basic Windows OS which has been fully FOSS tapped now, anyway). As soon as FOSS code is incorporated inside a MS product by Microsoft, the entire thing become FOSS software legally by definition. Some close attention will likely be paid to Clear Linux by MS, a specially trimmed fat free Debian version that is actually quite small, neat, clean and quick running. Clear is FOSS already, just a trimmed Linux variant that is currently the fastest version of Linux out there anywhere. Clear is something that is worth benchmarking or taking ..... But eventually, MS's lawyers will try to fight people taking any MS code and incorporating it anywhere. That's how MS lawyers justify their existence you know ....... by suing people. They make billions for MS that way every year, suing or threatening to sue. And they are pretty good at what they do historically speaking. And now you see more and more why Google has written Fuchsia from scratch only using Google tools, as a backup second string to their bow in case Linux gets all Mickyfied and jammed up in lots of legal battles. In the future, if some sort of legal mess cranks up Google may temporarily lose control of part of Android or lose a large part of their influence over Linux as well until the court cases all settle out. So consider Fuchsia as a fall back position, and you got the current picture laid out pretty well |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/11/19 at 16:15:20 Rumors of the AMD restructure of their product lines abound today. AMD drops all mention of Threadripper product updates on their web pages, leading one to think that the Treadripper line is perhaps now past tense in AMD's planning anyway. AMD will not say anything at this time as they want to continue moving out the old Threadripper products that are in the pipeline at full price. AMD is sending four more current 6 core 12 core and 16 core Ryzen samples out to board makers --- the new 12 core Ryzen is REALLY REALLY FAST and the 16 core Ryzen is energy efficient, flexible and still pretty durn FAST all on its own merits. Apparently the 16 core outperformed the Threadripper product at far lower cost. The new 6 core jobbie was sent out to the little board makers as it is now the least processor AMD supplies and the little board guys are used to buying 2 core processors from AMD ..... They will have to roll down to the graphics equipped laptop processors if they want only 4 cores any more. The 8 to 12 core Ryzen is SPECIFICALLY what you would want for gaming as it is tuned and sorted for SPEED. Both the 12 core and the 16 core Ryzen outperform Threadripper because of the wider pipes and better memory usage, plus smaller faster lithography on the chiplets. The 12 core is cheaper, and it is still enough to kick all Intel processors and the old Threadripper to the curb. 16 cores Ryzen is more better, but more expensive of course. Beyond 16 core Ryzen lives the entire range of Epyc server processors if you needed more processing speed than that. The 16 core Ryzen is what you would want for everything consumerish that is based on heavy duty parallel processing computational number crunching & data analysis sorts of things that you need to do now-a-days. The latest 16 core Ryzen kicks the old Threadripper products in the teeth as far as lower power consumption and faster processing goes. And instead of costing $1,200 the 16 core Ryzen is going to cost ~ $699 > $799 ~. Threadripper looks to be about done as a product line, as once you go past the Ryzen 16 core chipset you tread the turf of the new Epyc line of server processors. Please remember, the chiplets in the Epyc servers are the same chiplets that are in Ryzen, so sorting for compute speed, overclocking and the various differentiating center core functions make up all the differences in the products, going well beyond just the varying number of chiplets involved. The low end AMD Epyc server processors now cost a lot less than Threadripper used to cost ----- and the 12 core and 16 core Ryzen cost less yet again and yet can kick any of the Intel Core i9 products in the teeth for much much lower cost and greater performance. ::) Has it sunk in on you yet that the least core count of any new AMD consumer processor being sampled now is Six (6) Cores ???? The new new consumer bottom end for AMD is Six (6) Cores ???? Factoids worth remembering: Currently chiplets are yielding at the 70% level, fully populated, testing says everything is good on all cores, yep, running at the 70% type level. This is a very good initial yield level and these yields will only improve over time. Remember, individual chiplet speeds and overclock levels can vary, so the chiplets are tested and binned like with like during chiplet testing so by the time the chiplets are pulled to be packaged into a processor AMD already knows what sort of speeds and overclock-ability they will most likely get out of it. Highest truncation level is currently 2 cores out of the 8 on the chiplets so you can see where the least & lowest AMD products will come from. Supply of these chiplets is some subset part of 30% with supply going down over time as chiplet production gets better and better. AMD originally had plans to truncate all the way down to 2 cores, but TSMC's EUV direct burn process is doing better than that, so that lower 4 and 2 core grades have kinda got forgotten about at the moment ...... All chiplets start out as groups of 8 cores, next sorting drop down is 6 cores (two burned off) next drop down is 4 cores (four burned off) and currently that is the worst of the worst anybody anticipates seeing. I would say bulk chiplet production and building differentiated products from sorted and truncated chiplets saves a whole lot of scrap cost and makes for better running assembly processes and for better smoother operating chipsets. =================================================== Come time to roll the lithography level down to 6nm (soon) or 5nm or 4nm or 3nm then all AMD has to do is run some wafer fulls of each of the new smaller design chiplets and sort them to see which process operates and yields the best. The new chiplets can fit on the same CPU die in the same locations. Remember, the chiplet packaging equipment remains the same, as all the connection traces for the center chip are still the larger 14nm traces that all remain the same. Automation for packaging the CPU together remains the same, the sorting equipment uses the same ball grid, edge traces and pin configurations so you can simply sort and bin your new grade of smaller lithography chiplets and then put together into completed CPUs and send them out to the vendors for testing, evaluation and motherboard & BIOS tweeking. Intel has nothing to even play on the same playing field any longer ........ |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/13/19 at 07:15:53 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/05/13/its-time-to-pay-attention-to-intels-clear-linux-os-project/#616d59105c49 It's Time To Pay Attention To Intel's Clear Linux OS Project http://https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Fjasonevangelho%2Ffiles%2F2019%2F05%2FScreenshot-from-2019-05-13-10-04-48-1200x675.jpg Intel's Clear Linux Project has been on my radar for months, mainly because of its sheer dominance over traditional Linux distributions -- and often Windows -- when it comes to performance. From time to time I check in on the latest Phoronix benchmarks and think to myself "I really need to install that." Up until recently though, the installer for Clear Linux was anything but intuitive for the average user. It also looked considerably dated. Version 2.0 gives the installer a complete overhaul. Calling that overhaul a dramatic improvement is an understatement. And as a user's first brush with a distro, the installer is all-important. Seemingly overnight, Intel's Clear Linux became a distribution with an eye toward not just Cloud environments, machine learning applications, data science and power users, but the broader desktop user as well. The installer is approachable, features a live Gnome environment, and everything is contained within two tabs of options. If you've installed Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Fedora or any other popular distro, you'll feel quite comfortable here. It also happens to look great which doesn't hurt. There is a lot to this article, with many many benchmarks and comparative screenshots. What I liked was the guy writing the article keeps pointing out that Clear Linux beats the other Linux distros so badly because it is tuned for speed and the distro maintainers and main Linux tree maintainer crowd have gotten complacent and porky, only comparing themselves to Win 10 and thus feeling all good about themselves while performing only slightly better (but consistently better) than Win 10 can do. Clear Linux raises the bar for the other Linux distros ...... considerably. What he suggests between his carefully worded lines is that Linux is getting ready to get its ass kicked by Clear Linux (with MS holding Clear Linux's coat while it does all the butt kicking footwork). Another inference is made by the article, that MS knows that Win 10 whatever is going to shortly become a losing proposition to try to keep going. The sheer mass of the history that it has to haul around on its shoulders is simply too too much to keep up with. Every half year Win 10 upgrade that has come out lately is so riddle with issues it has to be pulled back and reworked 2-3 times ..... and that ain't the way you run an operating system. So, MS has found something to glom on to that is SIMPLE, EASY, FAST and SIMPLY BETTER, and they are gonna run with it. Now, the good news --- Linus Torvalds and crew, go look at the Clear Linux code and figure out the tweeks MS used and how you can apply them to Linux as a whole. Linus Torvalds had to do this 5 years ago when Google cleaned up and tweeked Android's Linux code and began to beat up on the existing old Linux distro's code speed so badly that Linus simply put the Android code into the main tree as the new Linux standard. Problem fixed. I look for something similar to happen here, since it is clearly better code and it is FOSS code already anyway. The fact that Intel dug it out of the Linux mulch heap and cleaned it up simply means the distro and Linux main tree maintainers have some work to do to catch up with the current new performance wave ....... ;) South Korea has announced that as a country (government) they are not going to "upgrade" to Win 10 when Win 7 slides over the horizon come January 20th of next year. South Korea and several other Asian nations are shopping for the best Linux version to meet their government and educational needs. Part of this is the extreme cost to upgrade to Win 10 capable equipment. Part of this is Win 10 extreme levels of nagging issues. And spyware functions, too. (Come on, MS, you are still deleting software off our machines because we didn't buy it from the MS Store ????) Now do you see why Microsoft is in such a big hurry to incorporate Clear Linux inside Windows 10? Or to offer MS Clear Linux as a separate distinct product? They need something non-offensive that works well to front all the rest of their porky crap. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/14/19 at 18:22:08 Wintel's lasting legacy is going to be Security Holes out the Arse ---- and here are the latest 3 BIG security holes from the Wintel boys. https://liliputing.com/2019/05/more-vulnerabilities-affecting-intel-chips-revealed.html Last year security researchers revealed a set of vulnerabilities affecting the speculative execution feature used by many modern processors to enhance performance. Since the revelation of the Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities, a number of related vulnerabilities have been disclosed and today Intel and several groups of security experts have revealed a new set. The new vulnerabilities have names like ZombieLoad, RIDL, and Fallout, but Intel calls the new group of vulnerabilities “Microarchitectural Data Sampling,” or MDS. While it’s unclear if malicious hackers have made use of the vulnerabilities, theoretically they allow an attacker to access data on a personal computer or cloud server that shouldn’t be publicly accessible. Intel says it’s begun including hardware-based mitigations to help protect against this class of vulnerability with its 8th-gen and 9th-gen Core processors. But Intel is also releasing microcode updates for many chips released in the past decade, and working with operating system makers to take further steps to offer software-based mitigations. But while those steps could help protect your data, they could also take a toll on performance of your computer. That’s because one of Intel’s recommendations is to disable or limit hyperthreading. So if you have a computer with a 2-core/4-thread processor or a 4-core/8-thread chip, you might find yourself limited to running only as many threads as you have CPU cores after an OS software update. Depending on the activity, you might not notice much difference… or you could see a pretty significant performance hit. Microsoft says it’s working with Intel to develop mitigations… and offers guidance for steps Windows users may be able to take now which may also include disabling hyper-threading Google says it’s already disabled hyperthreading by default in Chrome OS 74, but users who want to manually re-enable it can do so by opening chrome://flags#scheduler-configuration and changing the Hyper-Threading option from “conservative” to “performance.” Canonical says an updated Linux kernel, qemu, and intel-microcode packages for are “being published as part of the standard Ubuntu security maintenance” for all currently-supported versions of Ubuntu, and updates should be coming for many other GNU/Linux distributions as well. But Canonical still notes that some users may want to disable hyperthreading for enhanced security. And Apple says the latest versions of macOS includes security updates for the Safari web browser and suggests users only download trusted apps from the Mac App Store to avoid malware that would exploit the vulnerabilities… which seems like a kind of odd response to such a massive vulnerability. But Apple also offers the option of disabling hyperthreading for “full mitigation for MDS in macOS.” http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/mds.jpg?w=555&ssl=1 The only way to fix all 3 Intel vunerabilities is to CUT OFF HYPERTHREADING COMPLETELY ??!!!! Cut your Intel machine's performance in HALF ????? :o yikes !!! AMD's 12 and 16 REAL CORES per processor unit sales are gonna get a really big boost out of this one. AMD is the only pathway to get your high performance and still keep totally secure as Intel lacks the higher number of cores and the huge throughput piping per core. And Intel should also catch them a few more VERY VERY VERY large class action law suits (or 5 or 6 dozen of them) out of this one ....... Intel currently has more than 34 lawsuits already started across the nation. You sign up locally for the local lawsuit in your jurisdiction. It seems like all of Intel's little historical "performance boosting tricks" are now coming up a crapper, one right after another. :P One day later, AMD rings in ...... AMD says officially that NONE of these new illnesses applies to Ryzen or Epic processors, neither to the older AMD processors nor to the new 7nm ones coming out in two weeks. AMD did real internal hardware things to make their processors more secure, just like they said that they would when Spectre and Meltdown first came out about 2 years ago. Intel, these new 3 illnesses are all on you, boys --- you played so many games to make it seem like your stuff was better than it actually was, so now you got an endless stream of security hole after security hole popping up in a row now to take away all your bogus "Intel performance" in the real world. Intel used to get hit for ~25% of real performance just for Meltdown and Spectre, so now after these 3 new illnesses that hit is up to a ~50% hit for real operating performance declines. Your Intel Core i7 just became an i5, and your Intel Core i5 became an i3 ....... Who would be stupid enough to buy an "Intel Inside" any longer ????? AMD is cheaper, faster and BETTER. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/21/19 at 04:26:10 https://liliputing.com/2019/05/zotacs-new-zbox-q-series-mini-pcs-pack-intal-xeon-chips-nvidia-quadro-graphics.html http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/q_08.jpg?resize=768%2C481&ssl=1 Zotac has just introduced two new ZBOX Q Series “Mini Creator” PCs with NVIDIA Quadro graphics and Intel Xeon chips. They’re basically compact workstation computers for graphic design, media production, or other tasks that take a lot of horsepower. The Zotac ZBOX QX3P3000 features an Intel Xeon E-2136 hexa-core processor and NVIDIA Quadro P3000 graphics with 6GB of GDDR5 192-bit memory. Zotac’s ZBOX QX3P5000, meanwhile, has the same Xeon E-2136 processor, but features NVIDIA Quadro P5000 graphics with 16GB of GDDR5 256-bit memory. Both models feature support for up to four 4K displays with 60 Hz refresh rates plus an array of I/O options including: 4 x USB 3.1 Type-A ports 2 xUSB 3.1 Type-C ports 1 x Thunderbolt 3 port 4 x HDMI 2.0b ports Killer Ethernet (10/100/1000/2500) Mic and Speaker jacks SDXC card reader Under the hood, there are two SODIMM slots that can each handle up to 32GB of DDR4-2666 RAM (for a total of up to 64GB), and an M.2 slot for PCIe NVMe or a SATA III solid state drive. There’s also a 2.5 inch drive bay for a hard drive or SSD and support for Intel Optane memory. Translate This As: Oh Shite ...... AMD has 12 and 16 core Ryzen units a' coming at us that jest flat kick our Intel Core i9 products arses up around their ears thoroughly and mercilessly on all fronts (especially on performance and price). We have NO COMPETITIVE INTEL UNITS against this 16 core threat at all and we just lost the use of all our historical slightly bogus Intel Hyperthreading advertising tricks due to the 3 new Zombie class security risks and the 32 currently active false advertising lawsuits over our past ads and bogus core count ratings so we can't be advertising any doubled by hyperthreading core counts "as real core count" any more. Quick, get a vendor to cram a rackspace Xeon dual socket cut down motherboard into a user size desktop chassis and remember to use lots and lots of Optane memory to get the speed up to as close to AMD levels as you can get it, then overclock that sucker until the chip sizzles and let's make us up some advertising traction out of it real quick like before it burns up or it gets Zombified or some ungrateful some-beech actually goes and buys a real production unit from the same vendor and actually benchmarks it for real. And guys, let's move fast on this and do it BEFORE whichever one of these advertising disaster scenario happens to us first ...... REMEMBER, be very very careful not to say how much it costs in any of the early ads as we don't want to confuse little Joe Sixpack Jr. any before he writes his Christmas list to Santa Claus for this fall ...... plus some ungrateful some-beech will go save that ad and then sue us over it later on as part of a class action suit. Just hurry up and get something out on the market so we can still claim to be competing ...... =================================================== Two days later, Intel leaks 3 new consumer grade product lines that are based on their Xenon rackspace chipsets. NO MENTION IS BEING MADE OF INTEL'S SPEEDS OR THE PRODUCT"S COST ....... just some fresh juicy brown vapor to give the impression Intel is competing with AMD's 16 core Ryzen or the 24 core to 36 core AMD EPYC. Intel's BS promised delivery is sometimes in 2022, which is far enough out so it will be forgotten or superseded at least 3x by the time it is supposed to be real. ==================================================== Two days later, Intel announces that the Core i9 is a LAPTOP chipset now ...... so Core i9 is being put into play as Intel's normal 8 core processor for Laptops. Do you sense that Intel rolling everything up a level in response to AMD adding at least two and sometimes 4 cores to everything in their line up? Intel's price is gonna get even worse with these new Intel units as these are some seriously LARGE Intel chipsets that Intel is rolling up to, requiring lots of extra battery and other resources. Plus, don't forget that wad of 3 types of Optane memory that is needed to get them to "go faster" to get close to the AMD standard performance level. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Eegore on 05/24/19 at 05:27:46 I thought the 32 claimed lawsuits were due to security flaws with Spectre and Meltdown. 3 are Insider Trading that I know of. I missed the false advertising group. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/24/19 at 05:54:01 That is easy to miss as each local case is phrased according to the lawyers putting it forth, and in some cases the false advertising addendum charges are being rung in during the trial as discovery finds that the core count that was used to sell the stuff to the poor consumer fools originally was based upon Intel's Hyperthreading 2x core multiplication which is, by Intel's own currently published security standards are now not allowable to be used. Think of it as lawyers casually picking up an easy putt once they are on the green. Intel brings up hyperthreading as a defense, then the judge rules it not real and then the false advertising charges are then laid in on top of "the negligent everything else". Intel's relatively current ads and tech sheets and performance benchmarking are littered with evidence of fraud and false advertising once you understand that hyperthreading isn't really real any more and cannot be used to base claims of anything. Once the court understands the basis for real performance comparisons, then all of Intel's previous claims of "fastest processing speeds" also become grounds for Intel to be sued over. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Eegore on 05/24/19 at 06:29:48 I was under the impression that "the 34 currently active false advertising lawsuits" meant that there were currently 34 lawsuits that the plaintiff pressed false advertising as the complaint. I have someone following some of the cases and haven't heard of any alterations of charges based off discovery at this time although we aren't tracking all 32 known cases. Given charges can't be altered mid-trial it should all come clear soon. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/24/19 at 06:52:53 Key point is that Intel isn't offering up a lot of performance hype data or any exaggerated core count claims right now, and Intel certainly isn't claiming any price/performance advantages that stem from either hyperthreading or Optane or from non-standard heat sinks & overclocking tricks ---- all of which are now considered "somewhat dubious" activities at this point in time. Much effort is being spent on the Intel side to show at least one solid example of some sort of real progress in each area, and this generally is coming across in a Xeon many core rack space processor board stuck in somewhere that it would never fit or belong before. We are 3 short days away from Computex show time ...... ==================================================== https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/16/17020048/intel-spectre-meltdown-class-action-lawsuits This is 32 class action lawsuits just over Spectre and Meltdown by themselves ...... https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1025664-amd-sued/ https://www.extremetech.com/computing/284335-the-garbage-class-action-lawsuit-against-amds-bulldozer-is-headed-to-trial AMD has been dragged through the legal knot hole over Bulldozer core counts and this AMD case law has actually made up the legal precedent over what constitutes a core count for advertising purposes. Toss in Intel's admission that they can't safely be hyperthread any more then you begin to see where changes to background recommendations and changes in the "legal precedent" case law can fire ahead to cause in-process modifications to the more generic class of class action lawsuits, certainly on all of the ones that are as yet not fully decided yet. Dig up the old advertisements themselves and you got you an easy putt legal win ...... remember Intel KNEW about Meltdown and Spectre for most of a year before it ever became public knowledge, so any machine built in that period of time and that was sold under the old style advertising core counts and or under the old style performance numbers was "false advertising" right on the face of it as Intel KNEW these facts were false but Intel was intentionally withholding this information from the public, intentionally mind you so they could sell the stuff at full price. This is where the word "fraudulent" creeps into the charges. =================================================== The internet is full of heavily discounted Intel sales prices today on old pre-existing Intel processor laptops and desktops. Ostensibly, this is because Intel is coming out with some new processors (in the next year or so, sometimes or another, eventually, mind you). ::) The real reason Intel is on panic super sale right now is that next week they will all become passe, UNDESIRABLE, totally overcome by next week's AMD events in brand new AMD processors that will be shipping for real in like a one month from now time frame. What old Intel stock that doesn't get moved over the weekend or so (I.E. very soon) will likely not move at all before the 2019 Black Friday sale ads -- and the prices they get will go down a lot lower by then. Intel has authorized some significant price cuts on their older unsold inventory, starting today. Same money that you would have spend for some slightly moldy Intel Inside (or a good bit less, actually) will next week buy you at least 2 extra AMD cores (four more cores, and up to 8 more AMD cores in some cases) all with far wider & faster data paths and with NO EXPOSURE AT ALL to the current 5 main Intel security issues that are currently soaking up ~50%~ of what used to be Intel's advertised "real world speed advantage". :P |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/26/19 at 12:42:22 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-3000-six-core-processor,39436.html https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-2-6-core-cpu-benchmark-leaked-faster-than-ryzen-7-2700x-in-geekbench-4/ Non Disclosure Agreement's rule the world right now, so please understand that any benchmarks that are posted by anybody who has a copy of the chip in question has to be taken with a grain of salt. The official AMD specs for the chips in question are still evolving and improving right on up through the issuance and shipment of the first production lots. The price is also not fixed until the first production lot actually ships. AMD's entire line is seeing massive improvements in performance, and perhaps in price as well. Glomming on to the end points of this entire range makes this point most clearly. The AMD top Consumer point is completely without Intel comparison, not unless you go halfway up the Xeon pantheon and run TWO $2000 chipsets on a LARGE Intel rackspace server board to make your comparison point. A better weather mark comes lower down, at the lowest end AMD consumer chip --- the six core Ryzen 3000 which really is going to be a six core chipset and not a 4 core as was thought earlier. Tom's hardware is scrupulous in saying what it can say about this new Ryzen 3000 chipset, and about what is just being inferred by testing, testing which was done on a provided interim development board --- and done while intentionally not using the most current improved memory types that the chipset can actually utilize. "Normal memory" was used for all Tom's Hardware testing. The Geekbench test result outlines a six-core, 12-thread processor that comes with the Ryzen 3000 codename Matisse. AMD has discontinued using its standard processor identification strings, which are easily identifiable in public test databases and easily decoded. As such, this sample comes with the AMD 100-000000031-03 identifier. The chip has a 3.20 GHz base frequency and a 3.99 GHz boost, though these likely aren't final clocks due to the Engineering Sample nature of the chipset, and the chipset comes with 16MB of on chip internal L3 cache apparently split into two shared 8MB slices (8MB x 2). AMD has also doubled the L1 instruction cache to 32KB x 6. The chip's TDP (thermal design power) is not listed as the standard speed and the overclock levels keep getting better and better up until launch. A lot of information is being worked over here, but an Intel Fanboy reader down in the comments says the best summary statement ever. ANDREWJACKSONZA says: It's taken four years, but this low end AMD CPU (if that's what it is ) is creaming my i7-6700, both in multi-threaded AND single-threaded workloads where AMD were traditionally quite weak. The summary says quite a bit, but it gets worse the more in-depth one looks So, you can't compare the top end of AMD to anything reasonable from Intel because there simply isn't anything to compare it to. The bottom end of the new AMD line can be compared, and is ranked as midway up the Core i7 rank of Intel processors. And on top of this if you take into account the fact that Intel loses 25% of its functional task related working speed right now due to 5 different security mitigations, then this whole situation simply gets a good bit worse for Intel. Comparative cost is the killer item though, the lowest most humble AMD six core processor will cost $99 at list retail, and will actually sell regularly for as low as $66 on sale supposedly. And if you match the Ryzen 3000 line up with some better class fast memory (and use enough memory to actually fully utilize its VERY GENEROUS throughput pipelines) it punches upwards even higher, well up towards the top half in Intel's Core i7 product rankings while costing a princely sum of $199. https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-2-6-core-cpu-benchmark-leaked-faster-than-ryzen-7-2700x-in-geekbench-4/ That’s right, word on the street is that the Ryzen 3000 series will start out with 6 cores and 12 threads as a minimum. This specific chip has a base clock speed of 3.2 GHz and a Turbo of 4.0 GHz. So it’s a six core, twelve thread part with a 3.2-4.0 GHz clock range, does that sound familiar to anybody? Well, it should. Because these are the exact same specs of the leaked Ryzen 3 3300 CPU that we’ve reported on roughly six months back. Which based on everything we’ve heard to date, is going to be the cheapest Ryzen 3000 series CPU you can buy at $99 at the low end, trending up to $199 for the highest performer in the Ryzen 3000 series. AMD’s New Entry Level Ryzen 3000 Series CPU Could Be Faster Than its Current AM4 Flagship, The Ryzen 7 2700X So, how well does literally the cheapest low end next gen Ryzen CPU perform? Very well, as it turns out it performs better than the fastest AM4 compatible Ryzen 2000 series CPU you can buy today. The Ryzen 7 2700X. At least in Geekbench 4 that is. Based on the leaked performance figures, the company’s new entry level chip could very well dethrone its current flagship. And that sounds just as insane to read as it was to write. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/27/19 at 06:16:14 Lisa Su has taken the Computex center stage and has presented the new AMD stuff, up to but NOT INCLUDING the 16 core AMD chipset that has already been leaked. The 12 core chipset is now known as the 9700 series and has, to quote Lisa, twice the throughput at half the cost compared to any previous SHIPPED consumer processor from AMD or from Intel. Twice the power, half the cost, shipping July the 1st of this year with products coming out at about the same time as the product already has been produced and actually exists and has been shipped to machine builders early this month. =================================================== Is Lisa Su sandbagging on us again like she did last year? Heck yes, she is holding back on the entire 16 core AMD Consumer Ryzen processor lineup and all of the new Threadripper redo lineup ---- ??? WHY ??? do you ask? ---- because Intel has such a HUGE HUGE HUGE top end gap they have to fill in before AMD has anything to compete against from Intel. The 12 core Ryzen processor, which costs way less than half what Intel's very best huge fat porky energy sucking attempts at competing actually costs today. AMD CURRENTLY KICKS INTEL'S ARSE COMPUTE PERFORMANCE-WISE BY OVER A FACTOR OF 2. Thus we get Lisa Su's new mantra of "twice the compute power at half the cost". Intel's sole old forte of single core gaming gaming speed has been lapped now as well, with AMD single core performance being equal to or better than Intel's best "single core out of the lot" rating methods. Intel now has no crown at all to claim unless they want to go invent some new "victory" of some sort, as they have come out second class on everything lined out as theirs as of today. Nothing that Intel has in any fictional pipeline that mebbe might be will be delivered inside 3 years time can change what we saw today. AMD is only 1+ year away from the start of a 5nm ramp up and is much less than a year away from TSMC's 6nm roll up on all customer's current 7nm generations, so Intel will NEVER catch up to AMD unless they can skip ahead 3 like generations on their roadmaps like right now. Lisa has said this new Ryzen stuff ships for real in July of this year. Lisa does not own a forked tongue like Intel does, so AMD is literally lapping itself with the very least of what they are turning loose in July will doing better than their current very best top of the line processors. Retail price is going down too, by $100 compared to the existing AMD product line numbers. And yes, the $99 AMD least of the lot processor DOES do about the same job as the old Core i7 from Intel used to do ...... (before Intel got downgraded by the 5 new security mitigations to be the functional equal an Intel Core i5 that is) Generally speaking, Lisa really wants to give you AMD processors that are twice as good as Intel processors at half the cost ....... and it looks like this might actually be happening in two months time. =================================================== The debunker boys at Computex have already snuck in to see the Intel demo being practiced and dry run repeatedly by the Intel presenters, so tomorrow Intel will be keynoting a "limited edition" Core i9 chipset that is doing 5.2 gigahertz on all 8 cores ....... Wait, wasn't this the exact same bogus BS trick that Intel did two years ago with the big rackspace power supply, big liquid freon cooler system and the HUGE RACKSPACE MOTHERBOARD hidden under the display table in a soundproof baffle chamber, right? Yep, exactly the same sort of BS stuff as 2 years ago ...... This time they are claiming "production ready" components that are being shown and while Intel actually does admit it is a carefully sorted out (binned) processor that is once again being shown with special overclocking Intel says they will make a production lot run version of this one that will hit 5+ GHZ on at least one of the 8 cores as per Intel's current sorting methodologies. Right, sure ..... and Lisa Su will still give us twice your compute power at half your Intel cost ---- fairly easily on that one too. :P Totally Bogus again, in other words ..... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/28/19 at 10:24:34 AFTER THE BIG PRESENTATIONS ARE ALL OVER ...... Both AMD and Intel had workshops where folks could get hands on with the prototypes. Folks note that Intel is showing unknown processors in raw test beds, then making all sorts of future claims about what they are planning to go do out sometimes in the future. Gist is a general 15-18% improvement in throughput is supposedly out on the table from Intel. But not right now, a year from now, maybe. AMD is being much more concrete about what they are selling, they say exactly what it is and exactly when it will be shipping (1-2 months from now). Once again, a real 15-18% improvement in throughput is out on the table from AMD (with a lot more being held back in reserve). Note please, AMD is showing a 15% upper on top of an earlier 15% improvement from earlier in the year. AMD's improvements come on a six month cycle (2x a year). Intel however hasn't made any real improvements in speed for a while (years and years) so you get no compound interest on the Intel side, instead you reality-lose a net 20-25% in real processing speed due to the required mitigations for the 5 Intel hyperthreading/predictive security illnesses ....... Cost is never discussed by Intel. In contrast, AMD has a Lisa Su mantra promise going now, "Twice the performance for half the cost" and that indeed sounds very intriguing to me. So far nobody refutes that it is real, either. AMD HAS SANDBAGGED US AGAIN like crazy on the top end, they won't even bring out their current big guns for us to see them until Intel actually shows them a real big gun for AMD to go blow out of the water. On the bottom end AMD has taken a large chunk out of the middle upper zone of the Intel Core i7 lineup with their very least, very cheapest new Ryzen 3000 line processor. This is significant real item to me, the most significant thing seen this weekend actually. This is my take away, that AMD has lapped Intel just about completely at this point in time. So, what is the big take away, what is lastingly good about this 2019 post show situation ???? REAL COMPETITION IS HAPPENING AGAIN, LEADING TO REAL ADVANCEMENTS FROM BOTH AMD AND INTEL. ..... a Humorous side note from Qualcomm The new 8cx Windows 10 laptop chipset from Qualcomm tests out at the midrange of the Intel Core i5 level, publicly testing on the very same weekend as the very lowest AMD Ryzen 3000 chipset laps up into the Intel Core i7 line performance wise. Once again, more competition is coming out for Intel, this time from the another side, the ARM processor side. This ARM laptop chipset and its grandsons may hurt AMD in the Chromebook market once the prices come down considerably. And they must come all the way down to the $99 level or else you would just go with a Ryzen 3000 core set. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/29/19 at 06:23:11 https://liliputing.com/2019/05/mediatek-unveils-a-7nm-arm-cortex-a77-chip-with-an-integrated-5g-modem.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5yfsSRSnhs http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/mtk-5g-soc_03.jpg?w=672&ssl=1 Gary from Gary Explains gave me a surprise yesterday morning when he popped up "explaining the brand new A-77 generation" of ARM phone processors and graphics and I hadn't see these announcements come out anywhere. whut the heck ???? Mediatek was slack and Gary was early, Mediatek has just now finally put out their product announcement the next day, the announcement which should have come out first to kick off the entire product improvement cycle. Now ARM will be able to put out their stuff to announce the new generation of A-77 CPU big and A-55 little and Mali G-77 graphics. Condensed and boiled down, this is a TUNING and REDESIGN of the existing 7nm lithography ARM A-76 generation. It provides a real 20% throughput improvement which is quite good for right now AND it will also catch another 10-15% speed bump in a few months time by going down to TSMC's 6nm lithography, following along with the TSMC downsizing thing that is going on as we speak. The A-77 throughput pipelines and catches and prefetches are all redone more along the lines of a laptop chipset than like what was common in cell phones all along. In a healthy sized 8 to 12 core format (Mediatek likes to do this trick) this one will easily go into laptops and Chromebooks really well fer sure ...... By jumping in hard right now with both feet, Mediatek is risking their ass a bit to take over the slot previously held by Huawei while Huawei reels from being slapped with a technology transfer hold from all USA suppliers (hardware, software and technology are all covered). Trump has refined his technology hold stuff since last time around, now the TRANSFER of American technology is what is illegal and ARM A-76 and A-77 were designed in Huston, Texas. The fact that ARM is British and is actually owned by the Japanese is all moot to Trump's new rules, the technology is clearly American and nobody can transfer it to Huawei since they are on the 'entities list". Chinese phone companies are learning the hard way to PAY ATTENTION to Trump, that he is serious (and certainly is no Obama to be ignored and publicly disdained as ZTE attempted to do). Word to the wise, don't play the technology shuffle shell game again between closely related oriental companies, boys, Trump is on to you and will slap you down hard for doing these cheap oriental type tricks again. You can all go on the "entities list" just like Huawei ..... real quick like. Remember, the TRANSFER of American technology is what is illegal and you can get caught when your good buddy turns you in to save his own oriental arse. Shifting and shuffling the tech stuff around 5 or 6 times just gets you a total of 6 separate charges (each done at full penalty no less). |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/30/19 at 09:20:43 https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/26/amd-unveils-the-12-core-ryzen-9-3900x-at-half-the-price-of-intels-competing-core-i9-9920x-chipset/ New "after the show" detailed analysis by various pundits looking for lies, exaggerations and data flaws in the AMD presentations have found several amazing discrepancies ...... AMD claimed a moderate 18% throughput improvement, MSI (the motherboard maker) claimed only 15% throughput improvement on their motherboard spec sheet. Neither of them claim the 20% increase in instructions completed per clock cycle that is inherent in the Ryzen gen 3 data pathway designs nor the 2x larger/faster data flow per clock cycle that is inherent in the AMD PCIe 4.0 data channel speeds (and those channels are also by count twice as many and twice as wide bit-wise compared to what is used in the current AMD or current Intel processors). This 7nm Ryzen 3 data channel advantage alone more than makes up for the slightly lower top clock speeds that AMD claims for their equipment, nor did AMD have to go try Intel's most recent dirty trick -- some bogus sticks of extra super fast memory to make their stuff seem to run synthetically better than it normally would run. Nobody on the AMD side made any mention of the AMD advantage out of NOT HAVING TO DO THE 5 MITIGATIONS FOR THE 5 SPECTRE/MELTDOWN CLASS OF PREDICTIVE SECURITY HOLES that made Intel recommend shutting down its vaunted Hyperthreading. Yep, AMD failed to claim any part of that 50% upper on that one, another serious oversight on AMD's side of the fence. And so far nobody is taking any exception to Lisa Su and her "twice the throughput at half the cost" AMD mantra as on the face of things even when using these slack AMD conservatively reduced metrics Lisa's mantra seems easy to prove on both the throughput and on the lower price. Intel thinks that putting their way way overpriced existing stuff on sale, taking it all the way back down to close to the old Suggested Retail Pricing from 2 years ago is going to move a bunch of their huge warehouse stocks of already finished products. right, who wants it now that Ryzen is coming in 30 days with twice the throughput at half the cost ..... The pundits are also criticizing AMD for sandbagging and for sand trapping (a new computer term that means a pretty white pool of raked fluffy sand in front of, behind and lying on both sides next to the green, very pretty pools of raked fluffy white sand that buries your opponent's ball underground when it flies up in the air and lands into it). AMD is waiting for Intel's new 10nm chipset products to fly on up into the air, knowing full well that they will eventually land hard (burying themselves deeply into the soft raked fluffy sand) right next to the very least of the much faster and much cheaper AMD 3rd gen Ryzen 3000 chipsets. AMD chipsets which are going to bebop along at $99 to $199 (or even less if they are on sale) happily swinging their 6, count them, yes 6 faster Ryzen processor cores and 50% larger data pathways & 15-18% greater throughput per clock cycle and eventually using all the raw 2x data bus speed increase that PCIe 4.0 provides ..... ..... Hey, and please remember those 6 Ryzen cores are also not needing the 5 Intel mitigations for Meltdown, Spectre and all the rest of those 5 ugly software security vulnerabilities (and that BTW also means no hyperthreading will be available for poor poor Intel, so Intel is now down like around 8-10 thread counts compared to the very lowest end AMD Ryzen processor which CAN BE safely hyperthreaded using open source Simultanious Multi Threading (which is the open source precursor of Intel's Hyperthreading). Yep, FOSS based SMT which lacks the 5 new security vunerabilities that are eating up Intel's Hyperthreading performance so very very badly which by itself is worth well over a 50% hit for Intel thread performance-wise) ...... ...... AND REMEMBER, Lisa Su has stated bluntly she will always win on price by a factor of at least two as she is currently getting over 75% first pass yields at the full 8 core counts per chiplet, with the sorted out and cut down 6 core Ryzen chiplets being seen basically seen as "save them up until you get enough of them to mess with" freebie processors. Them rabid Intel fanboys are currently jest a whining nonstop like a bunch of bad waterpump bearings and jest keep on lodging all them repeated protests about this thoroughly stacked AMD deck, saying AMD is jest being "too too harsh" in how AMD is taking such bad advantage of poor poor Intel's production problems and Intel's problem ridden lackluster processor designs at the moment. :P ::) ;D ....... what do you guys think? Is AMD jest being mean to the Intel fanboys again ??? =================================================== https://www.extremetech.com/computing/292400-intel-amd-7nm-epyc-vs-xeon-computex https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-amd-computex-benchmark-epyc-xeon,39544.html Intel isn't happy at all with AMD's "Twice the performance at half the cost claims", and to "make Intel real again" Intel wants to throw forth a 350-450 watt power draw $10,000-$17,000 specialty dual-processor motherboard with built-in processors (must be bought with required Optane memory as an assembly at over $25,000) with a list of special optimizations using a special non-published benchmark, none of which apply in the consumer market in any fashion at all. But Intel doesn't want to just be more competitive. It wants to prove that it will continue to lead even after AMD's 7nm Rome processors come to market. To that effect, Intel also included test results with its Xeon Platinum 9000-series (Cascade Lake-AP) that come armed with as many as 56 cores, 112 threads, and 12 memory channels crammed into a package that dissipates up to 400W. These new behemoths, which are essentially two Skylake-SP CPUs in a single socket, only come in OEM servers, so they aren't available on their own like AMD's Rome chips will be. When Intel brings its high-powered -AP battleships to bear, it takes a 1.5% lead with the 96-core 9242 server, while the 112-core 9282 server takes a 23% lead over AMD's 128-core Epyc server. But we have to keep thermal design power (TDP) in mind. AMD hasn't released pricing for its Rome chips, but TDP serves as a decent indicator of competitive price ranges. We're told by our sources here at Computex that AMD's Rome has a maximum 240W TDP (to be clear, that’s not officially confirmed by AMD), slotting between Intel's Xeon 8280 and the low-end -AP models (if there is such a thing). Meanwhile, Intel's 9282 and 9242 weigh in at 400W and 350W, respectively. TDP is a decent litmus test of system pricing, as more heat generation and power consumption require more expensive components and equate to higher operating costs. That means Intel's behemoths require exotic cooling, and because they aren't socketed processors like we see in most servers, unique system designs that impact price heavily. Meanwhile, AMD's chips are definitely designed for the general-purpose market, whereas Intel's -AP models are pricey pieces of silicon that are only available as OEM systems and command premiums so high that pricing isn't public. Intel's 8280 processors have a recommended price range of $10,000 to $17,000 apiece, and two of these processors are required depending upon the options you choose, and while AMD hasn't announced pricing for its Rome models, it's fair to assume it picked the 8280's as a comparison point based on pricing. While Intel's 9282 and 9242 may be the fastest on the market, they're likely priced significantly higher than AMD's Rome parts. It's all about the price-to-performance ratio, so unless Intel is going to significantly reduce its pricing, the -AP's performance advantage is a hollow win. Well, with an Intel price range of $10,000 to $17,000 for each one of the pair of processors that Intel wants to use so they can win their proposed comparison, then Lisa Su is easily already 4x to 6x less expensive than Intel already, and unless you want to drop another $20,000+ for the yet undisclosed super duper motherboard and all the specialty Optane memory that the slots require, well then you don't really need to go pay the extra for the Intel specialty benchmarking program that Intel has to use to say their stuff is faster (by only 1.5% to 23% depending on the components and tests used). And, killer point here ---- at the Intel price you can easily buy two or three of the far cheaper AMD units complete and Really Really Really bury Intel for keeps. Reminder Again, Intel is still ignoring their Hyperthreading issue and the various mitigation performance hits again, and these "ignore" items by themselves more than wipes out the Intel claimed advantage of 23% that the $20,000+ worth of hardware was needed to buy. I don't think most normal people really have much use for a pair of 350 - 450 watt processors, nor for all the other custom motherboard & stuff that costs well over $25.000 for the full kit, so for us more normal folks Intel's whole objection is really becoming just some more stinky brown vapor oozing slowly out of an puffy swollen Intel PR orifice ...... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/02/19 at 22:09:22 Qualcomm is paying lip service attention to AMD and Intel and to Risc-V processors and to the same 24 ARM core server stuff that Qualcomm piloted well over a year ago and then abandoned because "anybody could build it" (i.e. build it more cheaply). In a world that is newly low end reality constrained by the just released $199 six core AMD low end chipsets (the new AMD 6 core Ryzen 3000 chipsets that can kick the performance butts of some of Intel's Core i7's) where exactly does Qualcomm fit in any more? Qualcomm is now betting on a new class of "7cx" cheap $350 Windows 10 laptops built to fit into the current existing "deluxe" Chromebook turf. So now we have Intel and AMD and Qualcomm and ARM all aiming at the same middle end Chromebook turf, intending to "take over the midrange Chromebook market share". In this heavily contested turf zone, the very strongest one to watch is AMD, since they can sell you a $99-$199 full featured Ryzen 3000 processor that is quite feature complete and very Core i7 class powerful and it is only power consumption rated at only 55-65 watts. THIS INEXPENSIVE 7nm AMD CHIPSET CAN BE DOWN RATED FAIRLY EASILY to hit any desired lower watt restriction range and can be mated up to any of the AMD graphics sets. For example we are promised a new gaming console generation based on this new Ryzen 3000 tech from AMD to be coming out within this calendar year, optimized at whatever CPU and Graphics speed and watt ratings that the console boys desire (?? 45-90 watts ??). Then you have the last past generation of dual core 12nm AMD 35-65 watt combined CPU with built Graphics Processors which are still something to look at for now, since they can be had in very large production quantities from existing warehouse stock for very very cheap right now --- complete with good enough gaming graphics that are all built right into the same combo chipset. This is the same class of console chipset that was originally developed for the Sony and Microsoft console gaming machines 2 years ago, an older 12nm lithography processor that is due a 7nm refresh this year. Qualcomm thinks this lower middle end zone of contention as their best play and they believe that a properly configured 7nm ARM based chipset can take out a chunk of this turf. So does ARM and Mediatek using the new A-77 generation of stock 7nm ARM processors that Mediatek and ARM just announced. Intel is still pushing a vaguely promised "10nm solution" that currently does not really work as well as their old 14nm contenders did right now, but this isn't stopping Intel from putting their 10nm forward as it is the only contender that Intel has at the moment. Intel has already lost the gaming console business to AMD for the last 3 years running, so it is kinda hard to see Intel 10nm coming back as a real low end contender right now. Let the low end games begin --- may the best players win. ;D BREAKING NEWS: One day goes past and Samsung and AMD announces a new pact --- Samsung can build AMD graphics IP right into their ARM processors and AMD can build chipsets on Samsung's 4nm lithography system starting right now --- and AMD will be able to use the Samsung 3nm gate all around system when that is finished later on this year. This is an extension of several IP sharing agreements between IBM, AMD, Global Foundry and Samsung that have run continuously and date back over 10 years ...... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/04/19 at 08:35:37 A win and a lose for Intel Apple has announced their by far most powerful desktop ever, using a mainframe version of a Xeon motherboard and dual Xeon processors and tons & tons of Optane memory. Apple feels their Apple fanboys can afford a $10,000 to $12,000 iMac Pro machine (@ the very lowest price listed), and Apple management apparently feels their real top crust Apple users will always want Intel Inside rather than attempt to use the rather plebeian AMD Threadripper or the commoner's AMD Epyc processor motherboards. I think Apple's fanboys can get a whole lot better machine from somebody else using AMD Epyc processors for way way less than half the price, and quite frankly Apple's yuppy snob appeal isn't really all that mind controlling for their fan base any more. We shall see, shan't we ???? ::) =================================================== Intel sez ..... "Whupsie ...... sorry for your misunderstanding of what we actually said at the big Computex show presentation". https://liliputing.com/2019/06/intels-14nm-comet-lake-u-chips-are-also-coming-this-year.html http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/liva-z3-plus_04-1.jpg?resize=768%2C471&ssl=1 Look at the pictures --- when we said "next generation processor", YOU ASSUMED we meant the 10nm Ice Lake on the left because Ice Lake was what was presented at the big show presentation, but hey, now you say you didn't even know about the 14nm Comet Lake processor line that is being set up as the drop in 10nm replacement for whenever we eventually fail to ship at 10nm in quantity yet again .......... (good 'ol bait and switch trick for the 4th time no less) Does any of this feel like Deja Vu to you, again? That's understandable, although we just finalized it it all yesterday IT IS THE EXACT SAME STICK WE DID 2 YEARS AGO --- but please remember, we were actually talking about the thick fat one at the big presentation too, the fat old flaming hot running 14nm Comet Lake with the noisy fan not just the little skinny mini cool running 10nm Ice Lake. ::) :P >:( What’s a bit strange is that the company will indeed offer two different U-series chips this year: Ice Lake-U and Comet Lake-U. Anandtech speculates that this could be Intel’s way of ensuring it can produce enough chips to meet demand after years of struggling with its 10nm manufacturing process (and an associated shortage of 14nm chips). It’ll be interesting to see how Comet Lake-U and Ice Lake-U chips compare in terms of performance and efficiency. Since battery life isn’t an issue for desktop processors, I wouldn’t be surprised if Comet Lake chips support higher clock speeds and run a littler hotter than their mobile counterparts in order to try to offer similar or better performance. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/10/19 at 16:58:02 https://www.pcworld.com/article/3401083/intel-challenges-amds-ryzen-3000-cpus-to-take-the-core-i9-9900ks-real-world-gaming-crown.html Well, Intel really wants to compete against last year's Ryzen 2700 AMD chipsets. WHY the year old Ryzen 2700 do you ask? Because Intel can still win that face off, sorta. Intel is blowing all sorts of brown stinky vapor around real hard right now, putting up slides showing they are 'winning' in gaming against some year old AMD chipsets. Problem is, they are INTENTIONALLY using a year old AMD processor to compete against, while using Intel's most recent (duh, not really built in volume yet) super duper specially binned and sorted CPU to make up their side of their "win". And, also, Intel says that Intel really no longer trusts any of the benchmarks they used to use to state win/lose in the past. Why? Because use any of the old benchmarks and Intel now tends to post a loss to AMD ...... question is now only by how much is that particular loss worth this time. In a media interview the day before AMD’s dedicated E3 event, Intel basically said using content creation benchmarks such as Cinebench is useless to determine gaming performance. And, the company essentially said, if AMD wants to grab the top gaming CPU honors, it needs to prove its mettle in running real games, head to head. “If they want this crown come beat us in real world gaming, real world gaming should be the defining criteria that we use to assess the world’s best gaming CPU,” Intel VP Jon Carvill told PCGamesN.com. “I challenge you to challenge anyone that wants to compete for this crown to come meet us in real world gaming. That’s the measure that we’re going to stand by.” Intel says Cinebench isn’t useful to measure gaming performance: Games are. ...... nope, not true This disrespect to AMD comes on the eve of AMD’s highly anticipated Ryzen 3000 CPU and Radeon “Navi” GPU showcase launch at the E3 gaming show in Los Angeles, after debuting the chips at Computex. The strong words are a surprise as Intel is normally far more reserved in picking fights with AMD. In fact, “far more reserved” is probably understating Intel’s approach to simply ignore AMD. In years past, company officials wouldn’t even acknowledge AMD existed, much less call it out directly. That’s not true today. With the prospect of a $500 12-core Ryzen 9 3900X beating down Intel’s $500 8-core Core i9-9900K when it arrives next month though, Intel has taken on a far more aggressive stance than before. The elephant in the room? No one outside of AMD yet knows how fast its upcoming Ryzen 3000-series 16 core chips will be in games. AMD has already hinted that its Ryzen 3000 CPUs can stand with Intel’s Core i7 and Core i9 chips, but we’ve yet to see full details of their real potential. That’s expected to show up this afternoon at the big E3 gaming show when AMD presumably hosts its real coming out party. Hopefully, AMD will show off more gaming test results, because Intel seems confident its chips can hold their heads high—in gaming, at least. Even though Intel will likely cede ground to AMD in many content creation tasks, Intel seems confident its high clock speed can protect it in gaming performance. Gaming loads often hit main system memory and the CPU with the stronger memory subsystem should have the edge, Intel said. That isn’t reflected in tests like Cinebench. Intel says its latency is better than AMD ...... nope, not true Intel says gaming has far more cache misses and thus hits main memory, which isn’t reflected by benchmarks such as Cinebench R15. PCIe 4.0? Why would you want that for gaming? Intel asks. During Carvill’s interview with PCgamesn.com, he also panned the cutting-edge PCIe 4.0 interface as having a fairly minimal impact on gaming. Intel cited tests by hardware sites and its own internal tests on storage that point to PCIe 4.0 being a big yawn for gaming. We’d tend to agree on the GPU front, as graphics cards don’t yet saturate PCIe 3.0, but while faster storage might not necessarily mean faster level loads, it will matter in drive chores that can hit those ultra-fast PCIe 4.0 SSDs. There’s another reason to dismiss Intel’s claims as sour grapes too: The only PCIe 4.0 PCs this year will come covered in AMD stickers. The next-gen interface is debuting in Ryzen 3000-series CPUs and AMD’s X570 motherboards. Is Intel really sitting way way out on a limb? yep, sure looks like it. Still, this is an awful lot of trash talk coming from Intel, Intel who probably isn’t exactly sure where AMD’s chips fall performance-wise. The only glimpse we have of how well the new Ryzen chips play games were hinted at last week when AMD showed the mighty Core i9-9900K running PUBG at frame rates about as fast as a Ryzen 7 3800X. That demo was meant as a burn to the Core i9, which wasn’t faster than the Ryzen 7 chip. Both are 8-core CPUs, but the Ryzen is $100 cheaper. But far worse than being lower in cost would be for AMD’s new Ryzen CPUs to take Intel’s “real-world gaming challenge” and actually win. We’ll know for sure soon whether Intel’s bark has some bite behind it or if it is AMD who is packing the teeth. ================================================== As suspected, 24 hours later AMD has outed multiple real head to head comparison tests of AMD's new chipsets that reset the gaming bar far, far higher than Intel can reach up to at this particular point in time. How bad is it? The 16 core AMD unit can kick Intel's ass badly in gaming performance and simultaneously post a live video feed to the Internet showing both processors in action along with keeping a set of real time calculated metrics, all done live off of the large reserve of computational ability that the AMD chipsets wield. All without dropping a frame or stuttering or anything similar in nature. AMD is now King of gaming at half the cost of Intel. AMD can beat Intel on any one of their 16 cores (or on all of them doing different tasks simultaneously if they want to really rub it in a bit). . We will patiently wait for some through impartial 3rd party testing to come out, since Intel now says that any of the benchmarks they used to love so much are "meaningless" any more now that Intel is always losing at them. ;) =================================================== Intel fanboys then began to over-voltage and over-amp and over-clock --- pushing their Intel test bench overclocking rigs to well over 5.2 ghz using freon refrigerated super duper liquid cooling to try to continue Intel's win "as overclocked gaming King". AMD boys then used the same type of cooler rig to push the 16 core AMD Ryzen processor to 5.1 ghz (intentionally stopping short when they equaled the current draw of a stock, un-overclocked Intel processor) and proceeded to absolutely slaughter the throughput of the Intel liquid cooled & overclocked to the max machine. Adding AMD insult to the Intel injury, the AMD rig cost remains less than HALF of what the Intel rig cost while the AMD performance on all 16 cores was more than double the Intel processor's best core's overclocked performance. :o < ouch > |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/11/19 at 14:35:45 https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9-3950x-16-core-cpu-5-ghz-overclock-ddr4-5100-mhz-world-record/ No more Intel fanboy based grossly exaggerated (silicon bulked) super-duper tit for tat liquid nitrogen supercooled cheating to the max contests -- what can the Ryzen 9 3950x do with plain ol' standard air cooling (a stock fan assembly) ??? AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Overclocked To 5 GHz Across All 16 Cores On LN2, Destroys The Intel Core i9-9960X – MSI MEG X570 Motherboard Pushes DDR4 To 5100 MHz On Air I guess my synopsis is this ---- do same same exact things to both sides equally, then Intel always loses. Big time. And the AMD unit cost really is half as much as the Intel unit costs ...... =================================================== I used to think that Intel cheated until they won and was ungracious whenever they did finally win. Now I extend that rotten attitude to losing, because Intel doesn't lose very well either. What Intel does do well is to price gouge the heck out of their fan boys for LOTS and LOTS of money. Shows like this last one should educate the old radical Intel fanboys to go buy AMD next gaming rig they need. Seeing AMD beat Intel and live post it and do the calculations all in real time AT THE SAME TIME points out something else AMD can do. Get somebody to make a really neat game up that has to use that sort of extra Ryzen 9 capability just to play it. Simply stated, do a modern version of the old "Can it play Crysis?" trick, except do it to Intel this time ---- turn about is fair play after all ....... this one action would move ALL the radical gamer boys off of Intel faster than any other reason you could possibly come up with ........ yep, give them a game they simply ain't got the chops to play when using their old Intel rigs. [smiley=evil.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/12/19 at 16:29:45 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-3950x-vs-intel-i9-9980xe-geekbench,39640.html https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9-3950x-16-core-cpu-benchmark-leak-crushes-intel-core-i9-9980xe/ https://www.techradar.com/news/the-amd-ryzen-9-3950x-is-already-breaking-world-overclocking-records OK, this is a $749 single AMD 16 core chipset going up against a $2,000 18 core Intel dual Xeon derivative, TWO processors mounted in a super mother board backed by all sorts of layers of tweeked custom Optane memory. A PC said to be using the yet to be released 16-core, 32-thread AMD Ryzen 9 3950X CPU appears to beat the 18-core, 36-thread Intel Core i9-9980XE in multi-core performance in a leaked Geekbench test result. The AMD CPU's 61,072 score is the highest we’ve ever seen from a consumer CPU. AMD Ryzen 9 3950X vs. Intel Core i9-9980XE: Geekbench Results Perhaps the craziest part about this is that Intel’s 18-core CPU sells for about $2,000, while AMD’s 3950X will be less than half of that at $750. The results show the AMD chip besting the Intel one in single-core score (5,868 vs. 5,395). But it's the 3950X's multi-core score that's especially impressive, with a 31% advantage over the i9-9980XE, which scores (on average) only 46,618 points, according to Geekbench. http://https://img.purch.com/amd-3950x-geekbench/w/711/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS9KL0QvODQxODAxL29yaWdpbmFsL2FtZC0zOTUweC1nZWVrYmVuY2guSlBH Granted, we don’t know the full story here and under which conditions the AMD CPU was tested. Geekbench shows the chip as having a 3.3 GHz base clock speed and a 4.3 GHz turbo clock speed, which may point to this chip being an engineering sample. That means that the Ryzen 9 3950X could show even better performance in the fall, as AMD advertised a 3.5-GHz base clock speed and a 4.7-GHz boosted clock speed for the chip. Current Geekbench results put the Intel Core i9- 9900K above the AMD 3950X in single-thread performance (6,209 vs. 5,868), but if the AMD chip truly ran at 4.3 GHz turbo clock speed in the test, then it could reach around 6,400 points in the fall at 4.7 GHz. AMD Ryzen 9 3950X At E3 this week, AMD announced its high-end consumer CPU for the new Ryzen 3000 series. It said that AMD's own benchmarks show that the 3950X beats Intel’s 9960X, even without Intel’s chips being patched for the latest MDS flaws, which can reduce the performance of Intel’s chips by 10-20%, according to some third-party benchmarks. Apparently, AMD didn’t test the new chip on the latest Windows 10 1903, which brings a new scheduler that better handles the intercommunication between the Ryzen CPU Core Complexes (CCXs). Some users have claimed it has increased their CPU’s performance by over 10%, although it’s likely that some use will see a much bigger improvement than others. The new benchmark results, if they are to be believed, seem to put AMD in an even better position against Intel’s highest-end consumer chips. However, we won’t know for sure until we see do our own testing this fall. If AMD’s 3950X can deliver anywhere close to the same performance as the i9-9980XE, the AMD chip could be a no-brainer for the budget-conscious looking for performance in this range. Repeated with some emphasis to get you directly to the real meat of the matter. AMD Ryzen 9 3950X At E3 this week, AMD announced its high-end consumer CPU for the new Ryzen 3000 series. It said that AMD's own benchmarks show that the 3950X beats Intel’s 9960X, even without Intel’s chips being patched for the latest MDS flaws, which can reduce the performance of Intel’s chips by 10-20%, according to some third-party benchmarks. Ooooooh, I wish Tom's final rankings would reflect the Intel MDS flaws and all the performance hits they generate for them Intel fanboys ....... Intel now keeps on saying all testing needs to be done with real world gaming, and those 10-20% mitigation losses are all part of Intel's current reality so heck fire yes, these mitigation hits should be counted in the test results and in the performance rankings. ::) ....... Book 'em, Danno ....... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/14/19 at 04:31:22 https://www.google.com/search?q=too+many+cores&oq=too+many+cores&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l4.13674j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Intel supporters out in computer land are beginning to whine about how that they cannot keep paying for all these extra cores --- too much money, too much heat, too much power consumption. They are talking about Intel products in all these comments, because Intel is all they will ever talk about. Considering that these commentators really are Intel's paid talking heads (they are given new equipment for free by Intel), what we are really hearing is that Intel can't afford to go any further up into the core count wars without losing out even worse on yield/price/heat/power. AMD at 105 watts can pull together a 16 core Ryzen 9 that costs less than half what the proposed Intel 18 core units cost and the AMD unit beats the Intel 18 core unit on any front you wish to name including COST, power used, heat, data throughput, gaming and overclockability. ;D Let's hold back for a bit and intentionally not talk about Epyc or Xeon rackspace level units from either side, let's agree to stop at High Performance Computing level which is the upper end of what Consumers do. So lets talk the "shortly due for update" Threadripper level, the very top end of the AMD consumer spectrum. Intel is in a bind there at the top end of Consumer because they have in essence just re-labeled some of their older huge Xeon rackspace units from a few years ago to be their top end HPC units. These ex-Xeon HPC Intel units could not compete against the old Threadripper units from AMD for the last two years running, not for energy use, cores counts or computing throughput. On raw power, yes Intel could reach up high enough into their Xeon line up to pull down something to match AMD Threadripper on computing raw power, but at a 2-3x price bump and a 2x power usage penalty. Lisa Su intends to fix this inbalance this time around ....... She can easily build whatever she needs out of chiplets to do the full complete hit job on Intel Consumer HPC products very very completely, then she can declare that as the start point of the pumped up Epyc line that is going to get refreshed next year. Remember, the exaggerated bogus 10nm Intel claims were considered to be real back when the 7nm AMD chiplets were designed, and the AMD 7nm chiplets were designed to beat Intel's completely bogus claims for Intel's 10nm products, products which never came about (and still haven't). So now Intel is in a real quandary, AMD is now using the exact SAME throughput improved, more energy efficient compute chiplets in all of their newest products. Chiplets which test yield at over 75% yield rates at full speed, test all good on all 8 cores, making up very power efficient 7nm chiplets that are very easy to make by the wafer full on current TSMC processes. AMD then slices the wafers up into chiplets and automatically sorts them for grading/binning once the chiplet wafers arrive at AMD. And the throughput grading results are simply getting a lot better over time as the lot after lot after lot of a steady production pace tends to make the TSMC production process more closely tuned and the chiplets tend to simply perform better and better and better. So, AMD keeps on raising their chipset performance numbers accordingly. By pre-testing all the chiplets and putting like-speed chiplets into the same warehouse storage bins AMD has put together a streamlined production system to build an exactly controlled range of known good CPUs at a very minimal manufacturing & scrap cost. This leads Lisa Su to be able to do the "Twice the throughput at HALF the cost" mantra thing and to actually mean it. Intel has a very basic problem here. The much larger, more complex the "built as one piece" Intel products becomes, the lower the resulting production yield numbers will be --- so by increasing their core counts any further Intel is actually cutting their own throats monetarily --- and so now Intel is orchestrating their paid yak yak tech press taking heads to all tell us that Intel wants to quit the core count race. =================================================== Guess what Intel, Lisa says she is just now getting started good. Keeping to 25% less current draw (that's 75% of the power that the current Intel products require) Lisa Su is again giving you half again more to twice as many cores and twice or more on the throughput, and she is really actually doing it at half the retail cost of the old Intel products. Intel is now beginning to panic. AMD just announced the Threadripper Refresh is coming ---- going up from 32 cores up to 64 of these same Gen 3 Ryzen / Epyc chiplet cores in a configuration that smells similar to a smaller version of full sized Epyc. This is the proposed upper end of Consumer for AMD, and yet this is going past what you get in the lower part of the current Epyc server line (Epyc which is likely to get stronger yet again during their next refresh in 2020). AMD's Ryzen and Threadripper competition is just about totally going to lap Intel's existing Xeon rackspace line of processors, in other words. AMD's Epyc line will simply kill Intel completely. AMD is refreshing and improving on a 2x per year frequency, rolling through their product lines one at a time in an organised fashion. Intel has no timely response to this as Intel's natural improvement pace has never been better than a 1-2 year tick-tock improvement cycle. Remember, Intel is already 3-4 real lithography generations behind AMD at this point in time, and Intel is falling further and further behind as AMD keeps rolling out the lithography improvements. AMD is beginning to talk about 4-5nm as their next chiplet lithography level as Samsung is taking over the next AMD lithography improvement step, doing the 4-5nm lithography bump now not 2 years from now as TSMC was originally talking about doing. TSMC is responding by setting themselves up to leapfrog all the way down to 2-3nm in 2021-22 as their next big competitive lithography move. This leapfrog action on lithography is a repeated pattern between Samsung and TSMC and it has occurred multiple times in the past decades. Intel is beginning to see the handwriting up on the wall. Intel is losing 20-25% of their real compute power to mitigations for their 5 current predictive security illnesses, Intel has had to shut off their hyperthreading completely due to the same security illnesses, Intel is on the wrong end of the production yield curve on having to make more and more cores into more and more complex chipsets and Intel is currently suffering total line competitive price/cost losses to AMD on all fronts. AND NOW their Intel fanboys and Intel press supporters are beginning to actually talk out loud about these issues ........ ================================================== Samsung and AMD and ARM collaboration side effects. ARM is British based and ARM is used to being at the forefront of their cell phone based technology. They have had customers "jump ship" for better graphics before, it caused them to regroup on graphics and equal and better what folks had jumped ship to go get. AMD has VERY GOOD graphics and ARM will have to raise their graphics bar a LOT to equal AMD graphics. Samsung is very good at tuning ASML lithography and at chipset packaging and Samsung does co-development with folks like Samsung, IBM, AMD, Global Foundries, etc. very well. TSMC just likes to copy the advancements made by folks like Samsung and IBM. AMD and Samsung and IBM and Global all have existing full design licenses with ARM, so they all have access to all the guts and they all have the ability to tweek the guts. ARM technology is already inside the AMD chiplets and I look for AMD chiplet tech to get better after being shrunk to mate up with 3-4nm Samsung lithography. I also look for AMD to start supplying a right killer small laptop / Chromebook chipset out of this collaboration. ARM will improve their processor designs to meet or beat what Samsung/AMD puts together --- it will take a year or so but it will wind up happening the same way it has done multiple times before when Samsung/Qualcomm took the tech lead for a few years and then gave the lead up to TSMC who had spent that time in leapfrog lithography activities. ARM tech catches up and takes a leap each time this happens, incorporating the advancements. IBM is pretty much pure research at this point in time, but remember IBM tech advancements are co-licensed by Samsung, AMD and some of the others. IBM quantum processors and AI processor tech keep the overall advancement pace bumped up to snuff pretty much. Shunted off to the side now by legal issues and/or a general inability to keep up with the leapfrog pace of change -- Qualcomm and Intel. COMPLETELY Sidelined by US gov. sanctions -- Huawei Trying to make a come back into some major league play and to take up some of Huawei's lost positions -- Mediatek =================================================== Question for you to think about ...... AMD is going down to 4-5nm lithography soon but the existing chiplet size and connection pattern will remain pretty much the same as it is all automated at that size and the traces are all known and programmed into the automated assembly equipment already. Core count for the existing 7nm chiplets was 8 cores per chiplet, with room left to squeeze in mebbe 2 more cores or some extra memory if AMD had really really felt it needed to go do that badly enough to change their chiplet layouts in between lithography levels. So, If AMD uses up all the free standard chiplet layout space very efficiently with tightly packed 4-5nm cores and with adding in some more on chip memory (remember this next level of production equipment can lay down 14 layers of stuff into the same solid piece of silicon (3x more layers than before) so how many cores and how much extra memory will that wind up being inside each new generation chiplet? 12 to 16 cores per chiplet is my wild arsed guess ...... and remember these same sized chiplets will drop right into the existing overall automated assembly chiplet layout carrying that same proportionate increase in core counts, and in memory, and in throughput, and in higher efficiency & lower current draw. Poor Intel. Your future sure does look bleak, boys. AMD is improving strongly 2x per year, far far faster than you can even try to respond. ;) |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/16/19 at 06:16:51 https://liliputing.com/2019/05/pcs-with-intels-10nm-ice-lake-chips-coming-later-this-year.html http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/icl.jpg?w=687&ssl=1 http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/ice-lake_08.jpg?resize=768%2C432&ssl=1 Here is Ice Lake, this is what it looks like and this is what you will supposedly be able to buy as far as a line up goes. Intel Core i3-1005 G1 (8MB cache, up to 3.4 GHz) Intel Core i5-1035 G1 (6MB cache, up to 3.7 GHz) Intel Core i7-1065 G7 (4MB cache, up to 3.9 GHz) Claims are made for better gaming due to a better graphics chip. Claims are made for better AI functions due to a better AI chip. All comparisons are to older Intel products, none are made to competitor units --- as the competitor units are FAR SUPERIOR to Intel on all fronts AND are due to refresh soon getting even better. This is Intel's current plan --- use their tame publications and tech mags to push the new 10nm stuff while only speaking to the older Intel generations and ignoring ALL instances where 14nm Intel products clearly outclass the weak new 10nm stuff. Ignore being completely lapped by AMD, the tame Intel press is instructed to do the same "ignore AMD" and by doing so Intel hopes to sell in another generation of not so great stuff before folks wake up to what they are doing. This no longer works in Europe, especially in Germany where Mindshare.de is still tracking a 2-3 to one AMD preference with the preference ratio going up to 5-10 to one on certain SKUs. Mindshare.de and the German computer press are on to Intel's PR tricks and debunks them frequently. "Single Threaded Instructions per compute cycle" claims compared to older Intel units causes Intel to claim a mild 18% bump for Ice Lake, but we note that Intel is being very careful not to back themselves into any corners about claiming any overall PERFORMANCE increases beyond what % they can get out of using lots & lots of their very expensive Optane memory. Very selective here, as the improvement illusion breaks easily. Lower cost units don't use all the massive amounts of Optane memory simply due to COST reasons ....... In all cases so far, all of these Intel Ice Lake "improvements" are far far smaller in total effect than the 5 mitigation hits Intel is taking over their Intel predictive stuff security issues. And Intel only lists these new 10nm claims for single thread usages as Intel has cut off their hyper threading completely. This total loss of multi-thread performance boost is being completely ignored by all Intel's bogus boy testers, as is the >25% performance losses for the 5 mitigations. Hey, its magic --- if we don't tell you, it isn't real. I think a new set false advertising risks exist for Intel all over again over on the class action side of things, yes, more class action exposure for Intel all over again. Please consider the competitive environment, where the very least of AMD's new processors still multithread completely off of more numerous and functionally higher throughput cores which have no mitigation excess slowdowns, and this advantage plays out all the way up the line, all the way up to the most mighty of AMD's 7nm offerings all of which will all be waiting for Intel's new 10nm stuff to land in the fluffy raked sand right next to them ...... then "crunch" goes the sand as Intel's 10nm offerings get driven well below ground level by Intel's past structural errors. Yep, each time a new Intel 10nm chipset lands, it will be met with a full set of far superior, far less expensive fully multi-threaded competitors from AMD, processors that are not suffering the large mitigation hits like Intel is getting. The very LEAST of these, the Ryzen 3000 series, will kick these little Ice Lake chipset's butts completely, very very very badly ---- and this butt kicking action will continue up through the old Core i7 level and the new Core i9 level with the 8 core Ryzen 5, the 12 core Ryzen 7 and the 16 core Ryzen 9 dropping in to do ass kicking duty on each Ice Lake layer as needed. And what is sad, is in many cases the AMD units will already be on the market first, sitting there waiting for the 10nm Ice Lakes and all the other various little Lake names to land in the fluffy raked sand next to them. As will the all older Intel 14nm products most of which still will still outperform some of the Ice Lake generations as well. I repeat myself this year as well ----- DO NOT BUY A 10nm Intel product. Use what you have now until such time as you see something that is compelling better in your eyes that is coming down the road from somebody else. You won't have to wait long, and believe me the wait will be worth it. Remember to check for the mitigation effects and check the extended thread counts as well as the physical core counts. ::) Lisa Su's AMD Ryzen 3 Mantra certainly applies to all of 10nm Ice Lake as Ice Lake really doesn't perform as good as the old Intel 14nm product line could do. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/18/19 at 21:14:38 https://www.google.com/search?q=nsa+issues+warning+on+ms+windows+10&oq=nsa+issues+warning+on+MS+windows&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j33.22842j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 This is a CRITICAL WARNING issued by your Government compute experts at the NSA This is a CRITICAL WARNING issued by Microsoft, the maker of the OS versions affected. Bluekeep affects ALL OLD VERSIONS OF Windows as well as Win 10. It is pervasive. This is a CRITICAL WARNING reported by FORBES as an urgent matter that you must take care of ----- or potentially lose everything of value even mentioned in your machine. The issue is BLUEKEEP, a form of worm attack that HOMELAND SECURITY lists as a most urgent critical attack vector for Windows 10. https://www.zdnet.com/article/homeland-security-weve-tested-windows-bluekeep-attack-and-it-works-so-patch-now/ This is one computer illness that I would be very careful to TAKE ACTION about ---- false patches are out on the web already so you also need to be very careful about patching your Windows machine. YOU need to go find where your real Windows patches are located and YOU need to go install them ASAP. Ironically, Linux has already patched the Linux kernel and the new Linux kernel has already been pushed out to all the distros, so I already have protection against Bluekeep on my Linux box that stops me from passing any of the trash along to any of you Windows users. By Linux's very nature and structure, Bluekeep isn't really primarily a Linux exposure ----- unless you as the Linux root user get tricked into doing something really VERY STUPID and click on something "directly authorizing" it ..... Watch out for stuff you don't know where it came from as this may be incorporated as part of an organized attack on American computing. You Windows people are still all very exposed and will stay exposed until MS gets off their corporate kister and does something constructive about it and then pushes that out to all versions of Windows (yes, all the way back to Win 95). If you can't trust MS to patch your machine, then you will have to do it manually. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by ls650v on 06/19/19 at 01:58:08 "While Windows 8 and Windows 10 users are not impacted by this vulnerability, Windows 2003, Windows XP and Windows Vista all are and the news that an exploit has been confirmed justifies the unusual step of the U.S. government and its agencies getting involved in issuing these "update now" warnings." |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/19/19 at 05:58:21 Why Bluekeep worm is so pervasive in the world of Windows Old to new, Windows Apps (windows programs) use lots of legacy functions that simply worked fine and never got changed. Even if you have a modern Window 10 version that is supposedly immune, you will still have these drivers and such loaded on your machine, reloaded in various local directories by your apps that needed them and your app replaced them every time Win 10 scrubbed them away in nightly updates. You can't get away from the legacy stuff because the software you run needs them. When your software apps stop putting them back, you will still have LAYERS of them stuck inside your older machine in various directories. People wonder why Google spent that much money and effort to write their Fuchsia code from totally from scratch using ONLY their own modern tools and modern drivers and such, this is partially why (and don't forget all them pesky legal entanglements they are avoiding by doing so, too). |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by verslagen1 on 06/19/19 at 09:30:49 And these are the patches the advisory recommends "immediately applying" to your operating system: Windows XP / Windows Server 2003 – Security Patch KB4500331 Windows Vista / Windows Server 2008 – Security Patch KB4499180 OR Monthly Rollup KB4499149 Windows 7 / Windows Server 2008 R2 – Security Patch KB4499175 OR Monthly Rollup KB4499164 https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/msrc/2019/05/30/a-reminder-to-update-your-systems-to-prevent-a-worm/ |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/20/19 at 21:15:13 Why does Intel only compare itself to outdated and replaced old AMD processors or even older Intel processors? Why does Intel commission "hit articles" from their tame reviewers intentionally based on erroneous or out of date information? Why does Intel demo demonstratively false and misleading hardware set ups at major computer shows? Why does Intel commission performance reviews from folks with names like Trusted Reviews that are horribly tilted and totally misleading? Why does Intel commission articles showing their "new stuff that is released" when it is not available yet (building isn't even built yet) and when it does become available it does not perform as well as the original "reports" would have indicated? Why does Intel routinely rename all their products that get caught up in this PR bullshite every six months, religiously, as new and improved when in fact it is just new stenciling on the same chipsets? The solvent rag wipe trick solves all of Intel's old issues for them for the last several years and Intel still gets away with it? Why do you still have to run the risk of Intel subbing in an old 22nm processor from warehouse stocks, forcing your machine vendor to use them on the quiet just so he has something to sell? Why does Intel's 10nm still under perform to Intel's older 14nm products as far as speed and processing power? Why is this still called "new and improved" by the press when it so obviously isn't? Why does Intel keep trying to get TSMC and Samsung to produce their old chipsets for them (to relieve Intel's production crisis) as "improved new versions" when they are not new or improved? Why do HP "state of the art" Intel based units keep getting recalled for performance issues and gross overheating? Ditto for Apple units using the same Intel processors? Why does Intel keep overcharging everybody price-wise because they don't have current lithography processes and cannot be competitive any longer? Why are you still having to deal with mitigations for 10-15 year old Intel bad marketing choices, predictive based security vulnerabilities, etc. etc. etc. Why has Intel had to turn off Hyperthreading again on so many of their newest processors? Why does Lenovo and HP keep rolling out more and more different lines and SKUs using AMD processors as they both did yet again this past week? :-? |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/22/19 at 04:12:46 Rumors from Intel Land Everything wonderful you read in the paid Intel press about Intel 10nm, think on this ...... Intel currently only has one production line that can limp as good as what we can now see, and there ARE NO PLANS to get any more 10nm lines. The 7nm Intel Project timeline is doing "better" than the 10nm Intel Project and the Intel 7nm project implementation dates are overlapping 10nm now and the Intel 7nm project is still progressing date-wise and the 10nm project is not. Intel is spending money on their 7nm plant lines, and has stopped wasting money on 10nm totally. You can figure this one out on your own, Intel will announce that 7nm will start "soon" and they will show some new production lines to back that statement up. Also realize that for Intel, the difference between 10nm and 7nm is a flexible thing, so if Intel wants to run their "7nm lines" in for the first year building "10nm Tiger Lake" while actually trying to shake out a bunch of 7nm design and early production bugs out of 7nm, well that might be a good path for Intel to take since Intel's 10nm image cannot possibly be damaged more than it already is. Intel has only "10nm redesigned" just a very very few of their laptop chipsets for real and only originally had plans for about 4-6 chipsets at 10nm anyway, with them originally planned to be sharing that one limping modified production line. Remember once again, in reality the current 10nm Intel doesn't functionally outperform the existing 14nm Intel chipsets in real uses for anything other than mildly less power consumption (and that lower power consumption is being hurt by having to overclock 10nm so much just to get it to get out of its own way). =================================================== https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2019/06/21/intel-plans-shock-processor-price-cuts-to-counter-amd-3rd-gen-ryzen/#7080c67ce4f7 Rumors abound that Intel's head bean picker is going to have to cut his synthetically inflated 14nm prices he had put on their old Intel 14nm chipsets. Intel is in a bad bad place right now, having just flat running out of 14nm production capacity while still bleeding from high scrap costs over their newer 14nm designs that do not fit and work well on 14nm for multiple multiple multiple cored products. Since Intel puts 14nm lithography all down at the same time on the same 14nm 2-D photo resist substrate, Intel's ongoing scrap costs due to cumulative errors due to increasing complexity are already quite high and are going up through the roof as Intel core counts keep go up. For Intel to have to cut their super inflated 14nm prices means they have to start eating some ongoing money out of their bank account again ...... and after blowing 25 billion chasing mobile a few years back Intel has not yet amassed that kind of cash stockpile like they used to have back then. :P The 2019 Ryzen Mobile APU refresh of the old AMD laptop line of "all in one" processor is now done and it has created a brand new improvement level for laptops. You can see the results from it right now in the HP Business Pro line up if you want to go have a look at it. Another AMD Ryzen Mobile refresh is planned for next year, and this refresh may actually involve a lithography downsizing as well as a chiplet based redesign, either to Samsung 4nm or to TSMC 5nm depending if Intel really actually achieves something with their 10nm or 7nm to start that ball rolling early. AMD is distracted at the moment doing a world's best Super Computer with Cray for our NSA buddies. This will take a priority out of their attention for the second half of this year. It is fortunate that AMD has already laid in new product plans two years out, plans and designs which all key off Intel doing something to try to actually compete with them (eventually) and these AMD new product plans only need execution by placing a purchase order at TSMC or at Samsung since AMD already have their next level lithography designs proven out and ready now. The Cray Super Computer The Cray Super Computer project involves mating a large single 64-128 core Ryzen Epyc core chipset, an AI processor array and at least FOUR Radeon graphics chipsets together to make up a single cluster on the same rack board, using AMD's Infinity Fabric to build a very fast moving data cruncher cluster ----- and then organizing a thousand or so of these rack board clusters using all the skills Cray has honed over the decades. AMD is likely to come out of the Cray Super Computer partnership carrying a brand new appreciation of combined processing efficiency and a new set of skills about combining CPU and GPU and AI functions in advanced & beneficial manners. This will leak out in their Consumer and Epyc lines of products naturally after 2-3 years when the Cray NDA agreements run out. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/22/19 at 16:15:04 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/google-chromebooks-intel-ice-lake-processors,39712.html Google's decision to not run with Ice Lake chips doesn't mean that it's getting a divorce from Intel. There is concrete evidence that Google is already working with Intel to bring Tiger Lake (TGL) support to Chrome OS. Tiger Lake processors, which are slated to come out next year, seemingly come out of Intel's same 10nm oven. The new chips are expected to combine Intel's Willow Cove architecture with its Xe Graphics. However, let's not forget that Google recently added support for AMD's Ryzen 3000-series APUs (Accelerated Processing Units) to Coreboot, so we should see Chromebooks with AMD Ryzen processors very soon while Intel currently has nothing that Google even wishes to try to support. ::) Everybody (including Google who had already made boards up for Cannon Lake then had to cancel them due to no Intel working production). Everyone is skipping out on the very weak and puny Cannon Lake rename that is being called "Ice Lake" --- all of the various designers and builders are saying the real Intel Tiger Lake 10nm version is coming out next year and that one may offer the AMD Ryzen 3000 series APUs some mild competition and thus cause AMD to bring forward their pending lithography downsizing and redesign of their Ryzen APU series which will in turn end all these weak Intel contenders very promptly. :P Still, it is the first Intel product line announcement that has been dissed and ignored by computer makers as not worth doing ....... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/22/19 at 18:54:18 https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/tsmc-6nm-5-nm-80-percent-density https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/2446/tsmc-demonstrates-a-7nm-arm-based-chiplet-design-for-hpc/ https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/tsmc-6nm-5-nm-80-percent-density Significant news from ARM land and from TSMC The main gist of all of this is that 5nm is HERE, now, ready for production in early 2020. It however requires a redesign and re-layout of all of 7nm products to get all of the size and the extra 15 layer benefits that come with the new ASML direct burn 5nm-3nm scanner lines that folks are currently building. TSMC's 6nm is also HERE, now, and it does NOT require a 7nm redesign/re-layout and it does offer 85% of the 5nm size benefits but 6nm does not offer all the extra 15 layer benefits of ASML's newest 5nm lithography does offer. TSMC is beginning to pump up all the ARM phone chip designers, offering them the many many core chiplet tech AMD has been using in a 5nm lithography 15 layer chiplet format. Specifically, these are 5nm 15 layer ARM processor chiplets that TSMC is currently talking about. We see AMD moving towards using 4nm Samsung and now suddenly TSMC is peddling AMD's chiplet tech and infinity fabric tech to the whole ARM world at 5nm/15 layer? Nice folks there at TSMC. How is it suddenly your role to be peddling other people's tech? I am all cornfused, a bunch ....... who actually owns this tech? ARM Holdings and Qualcomm are acting kinda sorta slow on the uptake right now, as I would expect Qualcomm and ARM to be leading this sort of new tech wave, not TSMC. It is possible that ARM Holdings is simply sitting mum on this new development as is their habit, waiting to give the first mover advantage to their first customer (Apple) with everybody knowing that TSMC is where Apple is building their A-14 chipset ....... and TSMC may have simply let the cat out of the bag accidentally early and in a way that makes them look really really bad. We have known for years that AMD had a ARM design license and we knew ARM tech existed inside AMD processors, but to suddenly find TSMC peddling the AMD chiplet stuff to the broader ARM cell phone world along with the Infinity Fabric that makes it all possible, well it is a right surprise to me. It certainly causes me to question who actually owns the tech that is involved ....... and makes me suspect what Apple is working on as well. TSMC is referring here to successful prove out runs of a very complex PC like chipset with a lots & lots of complexity and many many many cores ....... Apple's first PC level ARM chipset would look a lot like that, you know. What we may also be seeing may be a form of Far Eastern rebellion against Trump's American Technology Transfer protectionism. We may also be simply seeing that AMD's chiplet tech was really generalistic ARM tech all along, and AMD was simply the first to move it over into PC uses. For example, TSMC has now stated it will continue to do business with Huawei, and TSMC is now giving Huawei new technology apart from AMD, ARM and the USA. Remember please, Huawei is TSMC's largest non-Apple customer after all. This current move from TSMC looks like it has TSMC assuming the rights to transfer some USA chiplet technology apart from the USA parent company ........ :o :-? We assumed AMD was the originator of the tech ...... key word here is "assumed" I do believe. I think ARM and TSMC need to clarify this situation, ASAP =================================================== First wave of clarifications arrives ........ Watch out boys and girls, TSMC is reaching over into the FOSS RISC-V and MIPS worlds and tucking it all together themselves with some existing tech from ARM that is currently already licensed by all the phone chip builders. TSMC is signalling that the phone chip guys (Huawei specifically) can build up better computer chips than Intel currently has "by doing the AMD thing" just by using tech that is either free or has use rights that are already owned by Huawei and Mediatek and all the others. Is this a Far Eastern reaction to the Trump tech embargo? Look to see Trump assign people to "look into this" and to try to create some fashion of payback for TSMC for breaking up Trumps tech embargo. It is clear now that TSMC sees its bread buttered on the China side, not the USA side as the vast mass of chip sales volume now comes from India and the Orient ....... Quantum computing may create the tech wall that Trump needs, if he can get the USA Quantum creators grouped together behind the new tech wall that he builds. Global Foundry and Intel (and Intel's still massive build capacity) may well be a key part of this USA tech wall. The tech that AMD and Cray develop to use in the new NSA supercomputer needs to go behind Trump's tech wall as well. INTEL ----- get off your dead ass and MOVE YOURSELF, you can do this too off of your existing ARM design license. For you to still be dicking around while everyone in the Orient moves past you is CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE on your beanpicker CEO's part. https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/2446/tsmc-demonstrates-a-7nm-arm-based-chiplet-design-for-hpc/ It is clear that TSMC considers this combined FOSS and ARM chiplet tech as coming from them and they have the rights to distribute it as they see fit ...... ==================================================== https://wccftech.com/tsmcs-custom-built-octa-core-a72-chip-reaches-4ghz-at-1-20v/ http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Screen-Shot-2019-06-26-at-3.24.59-PM-740x523.png TSMC’s design starts from a single chip with two chiplets on board. Each chiplet die is 4.4 mm by 6.2 mm with four Cortex A72 cores present. The cores have a custom L1 cache, and two 1 MiB L2 cache blocks on the die. An additional high-density bitcell 6 MiB L3 cache is also present. The cores can reach 4.0GHz at 1.20V, and 4.20 GHz at 1.375V. Additionally, the 1968-bit wide on-die mesh interconnects are capable of operating above 4GHz, and six of these are present on each die. The two chiplets are connected to each other through TSMC’s Low-voltage-In-Package-INterconnect (LIPINCON). Each of these PHYs measures 0.42mm x 2.4mm, and can reach data transfer rates of 8Gb/p/s (Gigabit-per-pin-per-second) through a 2:1 multiplex function. LIPINCON also provides 0.56pJ/bit power efficiency and 1.6TB/s/mm² bandwidth density and 320GB/s bandwidth. It’s also important to note that more than two chiplets can be used with this design. Through using CoWoS, TSMC is able to drive down power consumption for the chiplets, and TSMC has used a micro-bump pitch of 40µm in this design, and the two dies are separated by 100µm. These numbers put the Taiwanese fab ahead of Intel, and if TSMC continues its current trajectory, then it could very well expand its presence in the market in the future. OK, so it is some serious stuff, it is well thought out and it shows how TSMC can use its 7nm, 6nm and 5nm direct burn EUV to simply outclass Intel at the PC game using technology all the phone players have already licensed from ARM. This is Intel's worst nightmare -- effective competition from EVERYBODY in the world. Intel is noticeably shaky right now and TSMC is flat out suggesting that ANY of the phone chipset builders (yep, any of them) could use and improve upon TSMC's 8 chiplet per chip design as shown and get TSMC to run PC class ARM processors off by the bajillions. Give your imagination a practical functional boost here, use a RISC-V license on a completed and proven out FOSS PC chip design put together by a FOSS consortium using TSMC's ideas and simply make Intel passe'. See, I can help Intel out too, just like TSMC did ........ :-/ |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/24/19 at 18:32:22 https://liliputing.com/2019/06/raspberry-pi-4-is-faster-supports-up-to-4gb-of-ram-and-still-starts-at-35.html https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-4-on-sale-now-from-35/ We watch the bottom end for changes that come on like a rising tide, basic change levels that will lift all boats. http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/raspberry-pi-4_05.jpg?zoom=1.100000023841858&fit=700%2C468&ssl=1 Raspberry Pi 3 is history after 3 years now, all hail the Raspberry Pi 4, the new $35 single board processor from James Upton and the Raspberry Pi group. It supports dual monitors at 1080p resolution It can be bought stock with 4 gigabytes of systems memory instead of 1 gig (4 gig price is $55) It uses current standard MicroSD for its hard drive space (which you can buy on sale this week with up to 200 gigabytes for relatively small money compared to what you used to spend on a smaller spinning platter hard drive). It has 4 USB ports in total, two USB 2 and two USB 3 ports and one high amp USB OTG port that is used to power the device and can do data transfer if you can't use a USB 2 or 3 to do it. This RP4 unit takes in and transfers (in total for all outputs) up to 3 amps of charger power to various attached USB devices. It has dual micro HDMI ports and supports the use of dual monitors stock at both 1080p and does work (but slower) on 4k monitors as well. It actually gets out of its own way now fairly well now with true Gigabit Ethernet capability, and configurations like this that actually can make some better sense now. http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/raspberry-pi-4_02.jpg?fit=1022%2C413 While this might be the first version of a Raspberry Pi that’s arguably fast enough to use as a real desktop computer, note that the $35 – $55 price tag doesn’t include everything you need to get started. You’ll also want a microSD card for storage, a power supply, and other accessories (such as a mouse, keyboard, and display). Want to get most of those things in one kit? The new Raspberry Pi 4 Desktop Computer Kit sells for $120 and includes a Raspberry Pi 4 Model B with 4GB of RAM, a keyboard, mouse, and power supply, a case, two micro HDMI to HDMI cables, and a 16GB microSD card loaded with software plus a user guide. Sad thing is a used Dell Opteron full tower case Engineers grade PC can occasionally be bought cheaper than $100 on Ebay, and that is after being stuffed with all the sticks of memory it can hold so this isn't the cheapest strong computer out there. Computing is available really cheap these days, despite what Intel and MS say about it. =================================================== http://https://liliputing.com/2019/06/new-raspberry-pi-new-raspbian-operating-system.html This originally mundane little kiddy device now swings full Debian 10 (the basic guts of Ubuntu and Mint) and Open GL video drivers. It has enough guts to do dual monitor office work (yes, a bit slowly) and it can play a whole world of older style games just fine. A kid can do his homework on it or he can go online with his buddies. The high tide mark just went permanently up at least 2 feet over there in the low end mud flat district ....... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/25/19 at 20:29:52 https://liliputing.com/2019/06/canonical-sort-of-backtracks-ubuntu-will-continue-to-support-some-32-bit-software.html Ubuntu has screwed up mightily this past week by saying they were dumping all 32 bit support as of right now, with the current release being only compiled for 64 bit Linux systems. Shuttleworth and his boys claim they asked all their peers and their supporting distros about this move months ago, but this was obviously NOT COMPLETELY TRUE because the world immediately screamed at the Ubuntu lead team that 1) they had broken Steam on Linux completely as many games are actually compiled at 32 bits .... and 2) they had broken all of WINE compatibility layers that are being used all over the place pretty much completely as Wine is at its base a 32 bit code. It is obvious that Ubuntu is acting so self-centered now to a simply amazing degree and I know that Linux Mint as a sub-distro has been greatly stressed out by some of what Ubuntu has done willy-nilly of late, making key software choices that have very high maintenance levels as a current issue. This Ubuntu self-absorption is not a new thing, BTW, Linux Mint itself came into existence because Ubuntu carelessly screwed the pooch thoroughly about 10 years ago in a very similar fashion. Steam has announced that they will start focusing on some other distro ASAP ---- which one is not yet decided as Ubuntu of late has not been a good set of stable sensible folks to partner with. If Gabe at Steam makes good on his threat many distros will automatically make the same move as Steam does as GAMES ARE IMPORTANT to a lot of distros and having a stable working environment is very important to all of them too. Ubuntu likes to break things carelessly way too much lately --- Ubuntu has done got the mental Mickeysoft disease they do. 4 days later ....... http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/steambuntu.jpg?w=762&ssl=1 https://liliputing.com/2019/06/steam-will-continue-to-work-with-ubuntu-for-now.html Due to pushback from the community, Canonical backtracked a bit and announced plans to include some 32-bit binaries in Ubuntu 19:10 and Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. So it’s unsurprising that Valve says Steam will work on those upcoming operating systems. But as for the future of Steam on Linux? That’s a little less clear. In a nutshell, Valve says it already includes many of the dependencies that 32-bit games need in order to run properly. But it relies on the host operating system for some things including 32-bit glibc, Mesa and NVIDIA graphics drivers, and more. While it could be possible to put some of those things into a container so that they’d work even if they aren’t officially supported by the operating system, Valve had originally decided to drop support for Ubuntu when it became clear that it wouldn’t be possible to find workaround by the time Ubuntu 19.10 is scheduled to launch in October. But now that Canonical seems set to offer at least 5-6 years of support for key 32-bit binaries, (Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, which is set to launch next April, will be a long-term support release), it make sense for Valve to continue supporting the operating system. That said, in Valve’s statement, the company makes it pretty clear that it’s exploring other options “that offer a great gaming desktop experience such as Arch Linux, Manjaro, Pop!_OS” and Fedora. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of those other Linux distributions became the recommended Steam Linux OS in the future. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by ls650v on 06/26/19 at 02:07:35 I think the Linux Mint team has been hedging their bets and created a Linux Mint Debian Edition. I am not sure what the state of it is though. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/26/19 at 06:29:13 Mint Debian is about 5 years old now, and it actually takes about as much effort to maintain as Ubuntu used to take before the bevy of bad decisions came out of Shuttleworth's lead group --- HOWEVER, if Steam and Gabe goes with plain Debian as the Steam basis then that equation changes quite a bit. Gabe at Steam is looking for a distro with a large support team that keeps it up quite well. Mint is really too too small, all they have ever done is tune Ubuntu or Debian just a little tiny bit. Ubuntu, when they don't have their heads up their butts is the right general size of organization and CAN make up a good match for Steam and Mint. Microsoft's Clear is a candidate for source for both Steam and for Mint, but the main issue is that it is not free as it only gets released as part of a Mickysoft product. Another fault is Clear changes too too radically way too frequently just to suit Mickey's itches. Debian moves "broad stroke" upgrades at about the right speed. Ubuntu's real main problem is their "Benevolent Dictator Forever" Mark Shuttleworth keeps abruptly making these individually called decisions that actually affect a lot more people than just him and his organization. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/26/19 at 11:13:07 https://liliputing.com/2019/06/report-microsofts-next-surface-devices-could-include-amd-arm-hardware.html http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/surface-pro-6.jpg?w=700&ssl=1 AMD is already making inroads into the laptop and desktop PC space thanks to the company’s Ryzen processors which offer competitive pricing and performance when compared with their equivalent Intel chips. A Microsoft design win would be big news, since Surface devices tend to be premium products that Microsoft pitches as offering best-in-class performance for Windows laptops, tablets, or whatever you want to call the Surface Studio. I wouldn’t be surprised to see more PC makers opt for AMD chips if and when Microsoft starts shipping some AMD-powered Surface devices. As for the rumored Surface Pro tablet with an ARM processor, that may be even more important… for Microsoft, if not for other PC makers. Microsoft have been pushing Windows on ARM for the past two years, but so far most of the Windows 10 notebooks and tablets to ship with the software have offered extra-long battery life, always-connected capabilities thanks to integrated 4G LTE and… pretty lousy performance. Qualcomm says its upcoming Snapdragon 8cx processor should change that by offering Intel Core i5-like performance. But according to Brad Sams, Microsoft is working with Qualcomm on a custom system-on-a-chip code-named “Excalibur,” which may be better optimized for Windows 10. If I am reading this right, Microsoft is saying they are going to have Surface units with ARM processors and AMD processors as well as Intel. Why? BECAUSE INTEL IS FROZEN IN PLACE WHILE AMD AND ARM ARE MOVING FORWARD. Having Intel processors as your only choice is a bad bet and MS isn't completely stupid in that way any more than Apple is. ================================================== Intel brought out a new carefully binned and sorted "beat this" chipset, a Core i9 9770 running 5.2 ghz. Made a bunch of noise about it and started issuing "you can't touch this performance" challenges. Intel forgot something, that AMD checks every chiplet that they make and if they wanted to make a chip variant with higher speeds they certainly have a bin jest full of the chiplets to use to do just that. Sure enough, AMD went and put together a standard 16 core Ryzen 9 using a set of 2 each 5.2 ghz rated 8 core chiplets that has just decimated that one off special Intel chipset, at 25% lower current draw no less, running twice the data throughput and having a higher single core processing power (hey, you get to pick which one, they all can do it) and a better gaming speed than Intel's cherry picked very best of the best. Since the AMD 16 core Ryzen 9 in question wasn't running any extra voltage, it wasn't technically even overclocked at all when it offed Intel's finest. :o |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/28/19 at 17:57:09 https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2019/06/28/amds-ryzen-5-3700x-beats-intel-core-i9-9900k-in-new-benchmarks/#53850ae0719e Forbes is a financial magazine whose readership expects them to keep an eye on Intel. Forbes has factually reported what has been going on for the last critical Six Months as Intel has lost its leadership position in personal computing. Forbes has their own tech reporter now who is getting newly released CPU sets from both sides so he can do his own real, impartial testing and reporting. Why is this needed, you ask? Because Intel makes up its own news by using paid shill reporters who report totally false made up completely inappropriate comparisons (utter crap) as facts. Now why is this particular report news? Intel's very best totally cherry picked and tweeked gaming stuff got its cherry picked arse totally demolished by Ryzen 9 just 2 days ago with the Ryzen not even being overvoltage overclocked at all. So why is the Ryzen 7 3700x (stock) beating the same Core i9-9900K (gamer special) any form of big deal? AMD is simply showing that their middle of the road stuff can kick Intel's arse as well, and that is newsworthy, especially coming from Forbes. The silent recommendation to the Forbes readership is to tread lightly on Intel's future position -- this is Forbe's job to tell their readership about this as soon as possible so they have time to make adjustments. So, what does Forbes actually have say one week out from the big ship on AMD processors across the world, having gotten and tested their provided samples from both sides already. AMD's Ryzen 7 3700X Beats Intel Core i9-9900K In New Benchmarks Antony Leather Contributor Consumer Tech -- Forbes Several results have been posted, three of which I've graphed here against results for the Core i9-9900K that are easily searchable in the database here. In the processor arithmetic benchmark, which measures the arithmetic and floating point performance of processors, the Intel CPU still has a lead, but it's less than 8%. (Note please, this is Intel's only win on an i9 Intel 97700K that is being run against a mid line AMD Ryzen 7 3700x, so you would think Intel would have something better than an 8% lead on the only one item that they post a win for for something they claim "total dominance" over) ::) The image processing score was one of the biggest wins for the mid line AMD with a 15% lead over the mighty Intel Core i9 CPU. The rest of the AMD wins were smaller numbers, but it shows that AMD has line lapped Intel pretty much across the lines of each vendor's current offerings. The above benchmark the multi-media and media processing performance of processors and here the AMD CPU is 9% faster than the Core i9-9900K. These are mostly encouraging signs that AMD is going to perform well in content creation software . |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/29/19 at 00:49:34 Got a bunch of traffic going on right now about AMD's Chinese joint venture being abused by the Chinese to steal technology not covered by the joint venture agreement. Remember, this old AMD joint venture was completely approved by all applicable functions of the USA government at the time it took place, way back in the age of innocence. Now, the Chinese joint venture company has been 'entity listed" by the US Government for stealing CURRENT USA tech secrets and AMD's joint venture is now formally and officially over and done with as of this point in time. If you remember, at the time I said the Chinese would steal the next level of AMD tech through industrial espionage and thoroughly intermix it with their currently owned AMD, Global Foundry and MIPS and other origins of the legal tech purchases that they had bought such that it would be impossible to straighten out by the time they got caught at it. :P I am watching this happen as we speak. Lisa Su is now heading an effort to curtail and document this stealing of USA technology, specifically new AMD items that were never covered in the joint venture agreement that have actually shown up inside the latest Chinese supercomputer as recent "Chinese improvements". AMD is currently 3 generations ahead of what should have shown up in processors built by the Chinese Joint Venture. Great efforts are being spent now to correctly document exactly what the Chinese stole and exactly where they stole it from ...... and counter efforts to stop the stolen tech from moving forward any further down the AMD development path are underway. TSMC is now suspected of distributing USA Tech secrets to other companies and to other entities. The US government is also alerting Universities to keep close track of what labs Chinese National exchange students are permitted to enter. IBM and AMD and Samsung work together with Universities on new computer tech and it is thought that the various labs at the Universities are very very "not secure" places. What TSMC has just outlined this past week as "tech that anybody can use" will greatly hamper these efforts by AMD and the US Gov. agencies. It is suspected that this whole "TSMC originated" FOSS tech sharing thing was done last week was done on purpose simply to muddy up the water really really good and to protect China from what they have gotten caught at doing by stealing the current crop of brand new computer processor secrets. All applicable FOSS projects should pay close attention also, if they are getting used as a smoke screen by Chinese Industrial Espionage Activities. Any FOSS projects put on the entity list are simply over and done with -- there is no recourse other than the courts and lawyers cost lots of money. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/05/19 at 05:07:00 In two days the Nondisclosure Period on the Ryzen 3000 release ends. Folks have boards and chipsets all over the place for weeks now and the Asians and the Europeans have been leaking benchmarks in a steady rain for as long as they have had their hardware. We will watch Tom's Hardware as our official listing as they have been keeping a mixed brand ranking that includes both Intel and AMD ranked in order. With all the news about AMD's 12 and 16 cores being greatly ahead of anything Intel has, and the shocking news that the Ryzen 5 line beats Core i7s pretty much in everything and that the lowest of the low Ryzen 3 line beats some of the Core i7s and ALL of the Core i5s, well, the Intel massacre is pretty bloody and messy at this point in time. Intel still has their media controlling hand on the balls of most of the PC press, so look to see "the big squeeze" go into play and for all the tame Intel press to squeal out in unison to say whatever it is that Intel wants them to say ....... ::) |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/08/19 at 14:11:12 Wow, people are pretty smart. AMD offers you about 5 different levels of Ryzen 3 CPU products. The German computer press points out that by price-value ranking the current Intel slaying AMD Ryzen products this choice can be simplified a whole lot --- this is basically saying that only 2 AMD price points control 90% of the normal consumer volume vis a vis the old Intel units. And by buying a modern AMD motherboard and spending a little extra money on a better grade of memory the Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 can overcome ALL THE CURRENT INTEL CONSUMER PROCESSORS for any normal levels of gaming or any normal levels productive work. At a very significant price benefit. Next, AMD is tearing up both Intel and NVIDIA by improving their units ongoing and by lowering AMD's pricing as needed. NVIDIA attempted to do a price cut on the very day that AMD started shipping and found out just how quick AMD can adjust a price -- instantly is how fast. Lisa Su also likes her mantra, and has adjusted pricing and features to hold to her mantra as Intel has actually cut their ugly price gouging down to more realistic pricing levels. Hey, you can still buy twice the processing throughput for half the cost so why would you ever buy Intel again? |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Eegore on 07/08/19 at 14:49:30 "Hey, you can still buy twice the processing throughput for half the cost so why would you ever buy Intel again?" Its pre-installed on products one frequently purchases. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/08/19 at 18:46:35 The very very top end of the new AMD gaming motherboards swinging the very latest & greatest X570 Controller Chipsets with fully implemented AMD PCIe 4.0 specs have a super powerful PCIe 4.0 motherboard control chipset group that is using up most of the advantage in power draw that the AMD CPU processors naturally provide, causing total power draw numbers for the whole machine to be relatively higher than they would be otherwise and are causing the AMD lower power advantage to be all muted and muddled up at the unit vs unit level. This is especially true if the X570 chipset motherboard gets used to test the lesser half of the AMD line up where the X570 chipset is not needed and the X570 chipset motherboard was something that was never intended to be used for those lesser, slower, lower power draw AMD processors. As the PC press struggles to get all their testing done, this one consistent little boo boo is showing up all over the place. Some Intel loving testers only have the one X570 AMD motherboard rig right now so they are just using what they have got to work with ...... understandable, but some unnecessary egg is being applied to lots of faces all over Computerworld right now as the AMD vs Intel watt numbers reported by these careless folks are being inflated / deflated accordingly. FACT: Intel requires 165 watts to run their best CPU chipsets, AMD requires only 105 watts to run their best CPU chipsets. AMD's very best of the best X570 motherboard control chipsets take approximately 35-40 watts MORE POWER than the lesser more normal AMD motherboard control chipsets that are intended to be used on the lower power set ups. It is sad that many of the people testing CPUs either do not care about small details like this or are so unfamiliar with AMD that they fall into stupid mental traps like this one. Or more to the point, the test people are so completely used to Intel sucking up such huge amounts of power that they don't even notice their relatively minor AMD side mistake. ..... duh, or else mebbe they have been told by somebody to go make this particular mistake on purpose ??? Mebbe ....... :P |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/08/19 at 19:17:21 1737353D2037520 wrote:
http://https://www.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2019/CPUs/cpu-marketshare/1_amd-vs-intel-marketshare-sales-2017-to-2019.png SLIDE YOUR MONITOR VIEW OVER TO THE RIGHT TO SEE MORE CURRENT MONTHS OF DATA Please note: This sales graph ranges back to 3 years ago on the previous generations of AMD and Intel processors. We expect the relative volumes of new latest and greatest stuff to swing more strongly towards AMD going forward. You spec what you purchase -- your new cost and the processing ability of what you are providing will be affected by what your specify when you go buy computers. Intel will have to keep on lowering their part prices to keep selling their stuff at the volumes they are used to moving --- so perhaps you can afford to keep using Intel out into the future ....... mebbe. Supplying CPU and GPU processors to the entire industry is now a "conglomerated effort" from several vendors now, and we can say that right now AMD is attempting to supply enough customer desirable chipsets to help Intel recover their "processor shortage" due to Intel's "not keeping up with industry lithography standards". ;) |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/09/19 at 13:32:14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3aEv3EzMyQ ....... this one is worth watching as it is true enough and it is also FUNNY to watch. "You did this graph wrong, you need to go fix it right now ---- Intel blue is supposed to be up here and the red stuff is supposed to be down there on the lower end of things." ::) Watch the live action as an ages old Intel fanboy, Linus, reluctantly accepts the AMD total victory against the entire Intel consumer line up ..... aaaaaaugh !!! It's funny ..... and true enough to the real world I am afraid. "Intel has to cut their prices sharply to remain sales equivalent going forward." |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/10/19 at 14:08:46 Intel begins squealing and thrashing about madly due to all the AMD abuse they are taking from all sides. Intel is simply way beyond it's pain threshold from all the picador barbs it has been getting stuck with from everybody on all sides and Intel is just behaving exactly like a desperate pain maddened bull in the bull ring at the moment. Intel cannot move down to a lower lithography, because as has been stated many times Intel's 10nm isn't anything real at this point in time, being composed of FAILED 10nm lines and some limping 7nm process lines that are only good for putting out large scrap rates and making very little in the way of any progress. So, Intel now says it is now going to do what it said it couldn't afford to do any further ----- more 14nm cores, 10 big fat Xeon cores to be more exact. 10 Xeon cores with older hyper threading enabled from the get go. Wonderful, huh? Yep, it is a mainframe Xeon chipset from 5 years ago -- ain't Intel grand? Yep, yet another old Intel Xeon mainframe design is coming out of mothballs to join in with Intel's Consumer HPE line ---- with 10 each 14nm Xeon cores swinging the older style Intel Hyper threading. What is sad is this old resurrected stuff isn't going to be all that really blazing fast because it never was (although Intel has claimed 5.2 ghz for it before even building any samples) and the required security mitigations for the 5 different sorts of predictive security issues these old Xeon chipsets will be riddled with throughput processing delays and the mitigations may indeed slow the older Xeon mainframe stuff down to a functional net loss in performance instead of offering any real improvement. But that is assuming the new / old 10 core Intel processor ever actually reach any real production ...... with Intel any of that "far far away in the future" stuff is always suspect. Many things promised by Intel simply get overcome by events and the next really neat new promised by Intel thing overlaps them and they never seem to arrive. Intel is faced with 12 core real 7nm AMD chip sets that are shipping right now, and with 16 core real 7nm AMD chip sets that are coming by the end of September of this year. Let's be generous, since this promised Intel solution doesn't really match up as any form of real competition with AMD's current stuff ...... let's just say that all that Intel has really just done is to put in an urgent process improvement request for Lisa Su's very best chiplets to get up rated to 5.2 ghz before going into full production on building the next generation of 12 and 16 banger AMD processors. Lisa Su responds "CAN DO, old buddy" to this Intel urgent process improvement request, and Lisa makes a phone call to the binning department to start saving up the really really good un's in bulk for the Intel requested 12 and 16 core AMD specials. ::) Sush now, you don't know this --- it's a deep deep secret that AMD just got in a 5nm trial sample run of special deep layer burn chiplets in from Samsung just this past week. |
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Title: ) Post by Oldfeller on 07/10/19 at 22:28:15 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-packaging-co-emib-odi-foveros-mdio,39840.html As Intel froths and fumes and pukes up more ridiculous product "announcements" due to the pure agonizing pain they are feeling at the moment, Tom's Hardware correctly spots the most ridiculous Intel "product improvement announcement" of all .... this is the Ruling King of all the really stupid things Intel is puking up in their dire frothing distress. FOVOROS, the towering inferno http://https://img.purch.com/coemib-jpg/w/755/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS8xLzcvODQ1MDM1L29yaWdpbmFsL2NvZW1pYi5KUEc= As Samsung and TSMC 5nm gets ready to hit the stage with real 5nm progress using the new ASML direct burn EUV equipment burning up to 14 layers of lithography right on down into the same thickness of silicon, yes 14 layers deep into the exact same stuff that we currently grow and cut and use in volume for chip production wafers right now. Intel however is retro busy slowly working on a retro way to PHYSICALLY STACK their entire thick clunky 14nm silicon wafer slices on top of each other in solid thick layers of two to three layers thick using full sized full thick silicon wafer slices and laser drilled solder holes as the actual constructed layer system. Reminder, AMD is going to be burning 14 layers deep using 5nm lithographyburning those 14 layers directly into the same one (1) thickness of silicon, so no --- this retro Intel FOVOROS stuff isn't even remotely close to state of the art. Further Intel Discussion source is Intel When they are ready, these technologies will provide Intel with powerful capabilities for the heterogeneous and data-centric era. On the client side, the benefits of advanced packaging include smaller package size and lower power consumption (for Lakefield, Intel claims a 10x SoC standby power improvement at 2.6mW). In the data center, advanced packaging will help to build very large and powerful platforms on a single package, with performance, latency, and power characteristics close to what a monolithic die would yield. The yield advantage of small chiplets and the establishment of chipset ecosystem are major drivers, too. As an Integrated Device Manufacturer (IDM), Intel says it can extensively co-develop its IP and packaging in a way that no other company could possibly do, from silicon to architecture and platform. As Babak Sabi, CVP of Intel’s Assembly and Test Technology Development, put it: “Our vision is to develop leadership technology to connect chips and chiplets in a package to match the functionality of a monolithic system-on-chip. A heterogeneous approach gives our chip architects unprecedented flexibility to mix and match IP blocks and process technologies with various memory and I/O elements in new device form factors. Intel’s vertically integrated structure provides an advantage in the era of heterogeneous integration, giving us an unmatched ability to co-optimize architecture, process, and packaging to deliver leadership products.” MDIO is slated for 2020 availability. Rumor has it that Intel is going to use Foveros, and hence possibly Co-EMIB, with Granite Rapids in early 2022. Intel has not specified a timeframe for ODI. :-/ :-? ::) OK boys and girls, by the time this stacked 14nm layers Intel stuff could become real in 2022 --- AMD and everybody else will be at 5nm using 14 layer direct burn lithography designs --- they will also be busy laying in their gate all around 3nm plans for the same time period when Intel intends to be pushing out their 14nm Fovoros Towering Inferno technology. OK, this is stupid for Intel to even bring this trick up as Intel already has current overheating problems that they cannot fix due to Intel's larger lithography size and the greater heat production coming from their 14nm product line ...... and building these massively stacked up 14nm Towering Infernos in 2022 isn't going to help Intel now, nor would it help them in 2022 should they ever actually get around to really actually doing it. And if Intel has such large cooling issues and such poor yield issues with the current 14nm chipsets, what sort of success do you think Intel will be having STACKING 2-3 of the current fault ridden 14nm chipsets on top of each other via the Towering Inferno drilled solder connections? Next, Intel is still ignoring heat throttling in their chipset ratings. Intel understates their thermal issues and overstates their clock speeds routinely, ignoring the fact that their chip management system throttles their chipsets by 30% or more after just 5 minutes of run time. Intel rates their chipsets at a totally cold current draw level that does not ever exist but for a single minute during a cold boot up. This is an extremely misleading advertising and a very unrealistic sales trick. Using advanced liquid cooling will become another Intel "requirement" very soon. AMD in contrast rates both their thermals and their clock speeds at fully hot normal running conditions using the stock air fan based cooling system that is shipped with the processor. AMD is intending to have all their specs accurately represent exactly what the customer will see in real world uses. Since AMD rates their stuff "as heated up and throttled down on a stock fan and heat sink system" there are no ugly surprises to be found in real use AMD testing. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/13/19 at 10:37:55 8-) Supply. Chip supply. 7nm chiplets and 7nm graphics cores. 5nm chiplets and 5nm graphics cores. AMD has some potential issues meeting their long term demand for chiplets and graphics cores. AMD is planning on using both TSMC and Samsung production to meet all these supply demands. Having enough supply is where Intel fell down and AMD has some well laid out plans not to repeat that issue on their part. AMD can use Global Foundry to augment for their center chiplet business at 12nm if TSMC can't meet that 12nm center chiplet demand completely (assuming Global actually remains in business long enough to do this as their current owners are busy liquidating their old lines as soon as they can find a buyer). AMD can use Samsung if TSMC can't meet the total demand for chiplets and for graphics cores. AMD will task TSMC for whatever 7nm chipsets TSMC can fulfill, as they have volume contracts with TSMC to keep and they will do so. Just as Apple did, there is a back door clause to these contracts that releases AMD to buy from someone else if TSMC can't make what is needed, but if TSMC is production volume capable, they own that business. 7nm and 6nm are pretty much a known thing now --- it is 5nm and 3nm that is going to get interesting pretty quickly once Apple finishes up their first big 2020 production year at 5nm and TSMC becomes free to fill their mounting general orders at 5nm. People wondered how AMD was able to abruptly double their on die gaming chipset memory so suddenly for the July Ryzen 3000 roll out. In fact it was AMD's first released use of the multi-layer direct burn 7nm production machines making two full layers of memory on top of the existing AMD lithography system (a total of 3 layers of direct burned stuff). 3 layers is the best the new modified 7nm scanner lines can do, but ASML's 5nm scanner equipment was built from the get go to be able to burn 14 layers deep. Apple now has year 2020 5nm designs out now that use 5nm multi-layer (14 layers are available but fewer are actually needed right now for current Apple designs) and you can count on Apple and TSMC working out all those layer bugs during their locked down first year of production. Just think of how many layers of memory can get dropped on top of a 5nm AMD chipset with 14 direct burn lithography layers available to be used at 5nm ....... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/17/19 at 19:22:23 AMD BELIEVES in continuous improvement. AMD improves chiplet yields lot on lot by making very minor chiplet changes and "tune ups", fixing each problem that they see so it goes away and stays away. AMD improves their total data throughput by using the new 3 level 7nm burn tech at TSMC, doubling up on the on chip memory used by their chiplets and broadening the data pipelines inside the chiplets to keep up with the new mainframe uses these same chiplets have. AMD designs new better performing chiplets that use each of the smaller TSMC lithography stages as it becomes available. There is a 6nm lithograpy stage out there right now and as soon as it is cheaper to use than what they are using now, AMD will roll on down to it wholesale. AMD deals with both of the current state of the art chiplet makers, TSMC and Samsung, as they roll their tech down towards 5nm (and 14 layer burn technology). Right now Samsung has a small 5nm tech lead over TSMC, but that will not last long I am afraid. TSMC likes to play leapfrog as a foundry, so we can see TSMC spending a lot of effort making a 3nm leapfrog inside the next 2 years. Apple wants this for what comes after next year, and Apple has a lock on TSMC first 5nm lines since they paid for them. So, 5nm will roll in for everybody in 2020 as TSMC's next lithography level effective right after next year's 5nm Apple runs on the equipment finish out. Then 3nm in 2-3 years after that ..... =================================================== So what will Intel be doing in 2-3 years? Intel has no self-created chip shortage propping up Intel's price gouging behaviors any longer. Intel is now selling less than half of the new replacement CPUs that are moving right now as AMD has indeed come out with a complete layered product lineup of Ryzen 3 chipsets at lower than Intel prices that allow the same money to simply buy a much better AMD chipset than the same dollar Intel unit. You can get better gaming performance too, just buy the AMD gaming chipsets with the "X" on the end. Having used "chip shortage" for the last full year as their excuse for price gouging, Intel now no longer has that excuse. Now it is just plain out in the open price gouging, with a VERY questionable "Intel advantage" to drive it. There are plenty of 14nm Intel chipsets out there now, if you want one. AMD has relieved Intel's production pinch point for them by taking more than half of the new CPU sales away from Intel, so the warehouse stocking levels of Intel processors should be steadily improving. At the start of the year AMD was outselling Intel at a 2 to one ratio (up to 5 to one depending on the chipset pair in question) in Germany where Mindshare.DE keeps close track of what is selling and at what price. This ratio went up across the board due to Ryzen 3000 coming out in July. Intel has cut their prices twice in Germany recently and AMD simply instantly dropped their price point the same relative amount, making up an unchanging competitive loss picture for Intel. So. as the AMD chipsets get slowly better and better, they get cheaper as well. Intel does not get any better, because they are lithography bound to 8 year old lithography technologies. Intel is getting cheaper though, but this is solely due to AMD's competitive pressures grinding away at them. Intel will react, will attempt to change, and will feebly attempt to compete. Most recent "competitive moves" from Intel were 1-2 years out into the future "product announcements" with little real current value as we all know they will never happen. AMD steadily rolls real product releases out on a 6 months cycle alternating between different areas of the company. Intel hasn't made any real changes in a long time, but when they did make changes they ran a two year cycle the last time they did it. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/18/19 at 08:20:33 https://www.techradar.com/news/intel-admits-it-wont-catch-up-with-amds-7nm-chips-until-2021 http://https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/HtU6bQNqom8Hhq4dsbeDo5-650-80.jpg I predict stuff based on a lot of information from a lot of places --- and I am generally pretty conservative, actually. Here are some confirmations of my predictions of late about Intel 10nm and it really being the first failed 10nm combined with the first failed 7nm process lines (Intel would never admit to these things, of course). Swan admits that the 2.7x scaling for 10nm was both too ambitious and too complicated. He also explains how Intel made an error when it “prioritized performance at a time when predictability was really important”. However, as Swan notes, “The short story is we learned from it, we'll get our 10nm node out this year. Our 7nm node will be out in two years and it will be a 2.0X scaling so back to the historical Moore's Law curve.” So it looks like we’ll finally see some sorted/partially disabled 10nm chips from Intel this year, while Intel 7nm will have to wait until 2021. That’s a long time considering both AMD and Qualcomm have 7nm chips out in full volume right now. But will Intel be happy with ceding all the performance advantages and "extra memory on top" that 7nm-5nm brings to its two biggest competitors for that long? Does Intel really have any choice but to jest suffer through this? Well, words count I guess. Bob Swan has admitted publicly now that Intel 10nm will never meet its original goals. He also admits that Intel 7nm will not fully meet the original Intel 10nm goals either. Does it smell like Intel's newest planned stuff is actually a continuation of the old 7nm process path but running looser specs and lower process yield goals that came originally from the "cut back" 10nm stuff? Does this mean that in 3 years from now (when 14 layer 5nm is shipping in volume from TSMC to AMD and then to you) that Intel will just then be "getting around" to shipping their cut back version of 7nm? Yep. It sure does. Now add a partial year for the inevitable Intel delay over something or other and you got another ~3 years worth~ of slow Intel dog years staring you in the face while you listen to the spew of Intel "product announcements" and "improvement announcements" and solvent rag based "new product lines". Meanwhile, AMD will improve something for real every six months during that 3 year period that you will spend waiting for Intel to arrive, some will be small AMD tuning improvements and at least one very large improvement will be an across the line lithography shift that will be a really really really big one ..... 8-) AMD 14 layer 5nm is coming inside the next 2 years I also now predict that 14 layer 5nm will birth some ARM based laptop/Chromebook chipsets earlier than that, with these coming from the phone boys as they are planning on going to 14 layer 5nm for phone uses in 2020, which is a year earlier than AMD currently is thought to be planning on doing it for AMD'd chiplets (just to better thump on Intel, that is). Please remember, Lisa Su is not slow on meeting all of her competition's moves, and Lisa Su will tend to try to meet/beat the phone boys ARM based chipset efforts no matter that Intel is still stuck in its slowly hardening tar pit and Intel isn't moving anywhere at all. Over time, Intel will wind up meaning less and less to the general worldwide competitive actions and general progress levels. Also realize that NVIDIA is not nearly as pokey as Intel, so AMD will need to shift to 5nm early enough to meet that threat as well. This does fall in line with rumors that Samsung is sending occasional 5nm and 3nm trial runs of chiplets to AMD for buildup and testing as part of the technical consortium efforts, leading to a new round of Samsung production tune ups and perhaps eventually leading to some possible Samsung early production runs for a new premium line of AMD CPUs. Remember, Samsung wishes to become a major TSMC contract foundry competitor again, this has been stated by the CEO of Samsung several times over the last year ....... also remember that Samsung does not hold that there is a whole lot of difference between 5nm and 3nm as it all runs on the same equipment. If Samsung or TSMC can work out a FinFet design at 3nm then that is all to the good as that simply means 3nm just gets here in full volume quicker ....... otherwise, Samsung's more complex gate all around nano-tube design has already been sampled both at 5nm and at 3nm sizes and we already know it works. For the first part of next year TSMC will focus all of their attention on Apple and its needs, leaving a free time segment for some Samsung/AMD research activity to create some positive changes inside that Apple delay period. And please remember, the Samsung/AMD-Global/IBM consortium really does need a working partner to build up completed finished chipsets off their trial run stuff so they can see if their improvements really work out in the real world and have any real competitive merit or not. As Global Foundry slowly loses all of their production relevance, Samsung wants to gain that relevance and take some real market share away from TSMC to boot. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/24/19 at 21:17:41 https://wccftech.com/exclusive-amds-plans-for-7nm-ryzen-apus/ Intel has announced all their latest "competitive announcements" now. They have a physically HUGE 10 core HPE mainframe chipset coming out to "compete" against Septembers's 16 core AMD consumer Ryzen chipsets and to try to blunt the 64 core - 128 core 7nm THREADRIPPER tidal wave that will break up on the beach in September/December. Energy use and speed are where Intel will fall down yet again, (as well as in their poor COST/VALUE proposition as these will be very very expensive Intel puppies indeed). Intel has made a big PR thing about shipping some sorted/truncated 10nm for laptops -- making big PR claims that their CEO has had to back back down at technical presentation just recently. It is well he did so, as Intel's big BS PR wave had prompted AMD to go ahead and roll forward with their 7nm APU chipsets (Integrated full gaming graphics and 7nm chiplet style CPU technology) which AMD has been hanging back on due to there being no Intel competition to cause it to come forward. Tiger Lake by Intel has been "announced" now, so AMD's response is warranted now. This gives us Intel's "cutting edge best 10nm technology" running up against AMD's general run of the mill 7nm chiplet derived tech with AMD still holding back on all of the newest AMD 5nm stuff until it becomes needed. AMD Reality vs Intel BS brown PR vapor --- it will be fun to watch. So this is the last chapter of the information I recently received from one of my sources in AMD. I asked about AMD’s plans for a Raven Ridge refresh on the 7nm node and can confirm that it is indeed happening and the company plans to roll them out “roughly 4 months after the launch of Navi”. Since Navi is launching on 7/7 that would put the expected announcement/launch date roughly in late-November. That leaves the company with two options, either utilize the holiday season and launch it in late November or do a big reveal at CES 2020. AMD 7nm Ryzen APUs won’t be ready till 4 months after Navi; Holiday Season 2019 or CES 2020 launch? In any case, it looks like we should not expect 7nm Ryzen APUs to land before November at the earliest. If AMD decides to not use the holiday season in late November, they will have to go for a CES 2020 launch. Since their huge Threadripper 64 Core is slated for a late Q4 2019 launch as well, [speculation] I would not be surprised to see both of these things debut at the same time [/speculation]. So if you are someone who was waiting for the APUs and was expecting them to arrive soon after thee Ryzen 3000 CPUs, now you have the information to make an informed decision. The lineup, which I am going to call “Raven Ridge 7nm Refresh” for lack of a better term, is going to be succeeding the existing RR lineup that is fabricated on the 14nm process. My source did mention the word “raven ridge refresh on the 7nm node” which makes me believe that this is going to be a 7nm shrink of the 14nm parts allowing for much higher clocks and an updated architecture while retaining the basic configurations. If 7nm Ryzen 3000 CPUs are anything to go by, this is going to result in some impressive performance gains while increasing economies of scale for the company and bringing down cost without hurting margins. Raven Ridge APUs on the 7nm node are going to be the perfect choice for consumers that are looking for an HTPC build or a casual All-In-One build and want to conserve on the footprint. Interestingly, Raven Ridge 7nm is going to go up against Tiger Lake parts from Intel which are expected to have a maximum compute of 2 TFLOPs. Things are certainly going to be very interesting as we enter 2020 and competition in our corner of the tech world is heating up like anything as both Intel, AMD and NVIDIA come out guns blazing. And the best part? In all of this blood shed, it is the consumer that will win. Once again, Lisa Su is sandbagging us strongly, taking all the time Intel's slowness will provide to allow as much of the 12-14nm APU channel to drain naturally before making it all outdated and undesirable with a much better 7nm product. ....... remember, the current AMD 12-14nm APUs are still kicking Intel's Core i5 butt at the moment, so it isn't slouch stuff by any means ....... ::) 2 teraflop performance in a laptop? :o My my my ....... I wonder what ThreadRipper will bring to us for Christmas ???? |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/26/19 at 19:10:16 A new wave of Interesting Stuff is coming out of Apple at the moment ....... Apple just spent a billion dollars buying all of Intel's modem IP (includes the completed FCC certifications on existing modem designs and the actual modem designs and masks and any dedicated production equipment used to build them). Apple is intending to build their own modems going forward, and the billion they spent sweeping up the leavings at Intel is dirt cheap compared to the yearly cost of doing business with Qualcomm. HOWEVER, Apple will likely discover that phone modems are a fussy, tricky thing to do and Intel had failed repeatedly to do a 5G modem for a reason or two, or five or 6 good reasons. 5G IS REALLY REALLY HARD TO DO if you have to avoid Qualcomm patents. Now, in response to the 5G mess a consortium of companies has proposed new simpler "6G" modem standard that is now being proposed to completely leap frog the troublesome 5G issues by going four times faster using a simpler, much less complex methodology. A new system, not patented by Qualcomm or by Huawei. Apple is one of the supporters of this new system, and has gone and hired laid off engineers from Qualcomm and from Intel to support their new Intel modem purchase and the new "6G" modem system that the consortium is proposing. Trump supports the building of a new USA based "6G" standard as long as all the hardware and software used by the standard is all built by and controlled from inside the USA. Note that Apple also hired several Qualcomm and ARM chipset architects to go along with this purchase of Intel's old modem capabilities. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/27/19 at 04:25:30 https://www.anandtech.com/show/14679/intel-begins-commercial-shipments-of-10-nm-ice-lake-cpus-to-oems News Flash Hell freezes over ..... Intel begins shipping 10nm Ice Lake chipsets. http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14679/Intel-10th-Gen-Chip_Car_678x452_678x452.jpg Once again, these are not the ones that you want, these are the limping original 10nm design that have had problems with performance and yield. There is a better grade of 10nm coming up that is suspected of really being a 7nm "not quite ready still sorta limping version" currently being called 10nm Tiger Lake and these are still about a year away at this point in time. The only thing good about these 5 times belated Cannon / Ice Lake APUs is that they have prompted AMD to roll forward the ship out dates of the Raven Ridge 7nm APU refresh that they were sitting on while awaiting Intel's competitive arrival. Competition is good as it forces Intel to get better, but having to wait on Intel to do something is causing AMD to slow down on its normal development pace down to about half speed --- which leaves AMD sitting around open to getting a surprise upset in the Far East by ARM and RISC-V. RISC-V now has a 6 core desktop capable chipset developed and up and running in China, with China beginning to really like their modified RISC-V designs since they cannot be cut off from running them by Trump's executive actions. A 16 core RISC-V variant is planned this fall from the very same people, and this one will be worth looking at more closely. The tech heads all seem to like RISC-V because of its fast development cycle and the fact that advancements that vendor A makes become available to the rest of the consortium members just as soon as they are logged into the system. RISC-V is up to 6 cores (really exist right now) at 2 ghz and RISC-V as a system is picking up steam as others do their little bits and pieces of the total computer puzzle. And yes, ARM sees the threat to them, and is reacting by making their ARM licensing more "user friendly" and offering better support to members trying to do something new on ARM. Still, it is hard to argue with "practically free" when you still want to charge a lot of money for your stuff. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/30/19 at 04:59:19 AMD has discovered one of the harsh realities that forced Intel to rate their chipsets only off their fastest core ---- in process variation exists, and a new wrinkle has come up about AMD chiplet sorting while using multiple vendors. Sort and rank some same-same-same chiplets and then build them up into a CPU, test it again and find that the results changed due to the solder dips, heating, etc of the assembly process having changed a few of the chiplet's performance. Simply stated, using multiple vendors adds variation as the different producer's chiplets react slightly differently to AMD's assembly processes. AMD has to deal with this now since they made a big thing out of predictability, and now they are learning that they cannot completely predict the performance of a finished CPU assembly 100% off of knowing what the chiplets did, not when using stocks of chiplets from various vendors and various lots mixed together. Hey, things CHANGE during chipset assembly, and things also likely shift some over time and heating & use as well. First solution (and it may be all that is needed) is for AMD's CPU monitoring software (the stuff that auto-overclocks the better AMD processors) to get refined a little bit to continuously ID the slowest cores and simply schedule them dead last when assigning tasks. This would also cover any ongoing aging changes that take place (and you know this likely happens, right?) Second solution is to adjust your advertising to reflect what you now know is the real reality. Your stuff has natural chiplet to chiplet variation, so tell people that and tell them what the allowable pass limits at the factory are. Offer to take back and replace any chip found exceeding those limits. And mean it, and do it damme fast. And possibly offer a discount or a freebie to make it up to the customer who got mislead by your early advertising. AMD has lots & lots of cores, and some of these many cores really do go slacking all the time anyway due to real workloads that never really use all the cores -- so, purposefully pick the known slowest cores in each chipset to be the slack takers. The 'slow core' item seen now mostly only affects the tester folks who are wringing the chipsets out hard 100% on all the cores, I doubt many real users would see or be affected much at all by a single slower core. Issue at hand really is your AMD image, you have been honest and forthright all along and that has proven to be a winning image, so this is no time to stop doing that -- not even for a second ........ |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/31/19 at 12:50:22 https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-is-such-a-hit-it-almost-outsold-intels-entire-cpu-range http://https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/pyWof8sDyP9ZUdrKJFkuf8-650-80.jpg Startling land grab All that said, we can throw in as many caveats as we like, but the plain truth (at least from this source) is that AMD’s doing better than ever, and grabbing a truly startling proportion of CPU market share – even with some mild stock out issues providing some headwind. AMD’s top-selling chip was the Ryzen 7 3700X, and get this: sales of that one single processor weren’t far off equaling the sales of Intel’s entire CPU range (at around the 80% mark of what Intel flogged). In June, AMD’s overall market share was 68% at Mindfactory, so the increase to 79% represents a big point jump, and the highest proportion of sales achieved by the company this year by a long long way. To put this in a plainer fashion, for every single processor sold by Intel, AMD sold over four. Ryzen 3rd-gen offerings have seemingly sold up a storm in the first couple weeks on shelves, and then slowed down, although that slippage is likely due to stock shortages rather than falling demand (the new flagship Ryzen 9 3900X chip is vanishingly thin on the ground, for example, and is therefore being flogged for extortionate prices on eBay in predictable fashion). So, AMD is outselling Intel in Germany by 4-8 to one in the most popular ranges. AMD is beginning to run out of these chipsets at German retail outlets fairly often now, lasting for days at a time. Mindshare.de is tracking the outage days as well as the pricing and the overall sales numbers. AMD chipsets are selling for more than list price in Germany now, showing that the law of supply and demand does indeed apply here after all. As Intel finds itself welcoming a brief stress break because of this sputtering AMD stock outage, AMD is actually losing just a small part of the volume of sales that they predicated their retail pricing upon. See AMD exercising all the triple sourcing options that they have with TSMC and Samsung and Global Foundry to make enough chiplets and chipsets to satisfy the all real active demand for AMD Ryzen 3 chipsets ....... See AMD working through the ramp up growth pains associated with selling by far most of the stuff that is selling currently. See AMD showing some signs of exercising caution in rolling out any more new super popular stuff, so as to not to outstrip themselves completely and make a mess out of things ........ :-? It is possible to be too successful, you know. Intel PR cannons begin blasting out the brown vapor clouds again over in laptop land ......... The new Intel 10nm laptop line has a top end chipset and a low end chipset. Intel is releasing information on both units simultaneously, and SOME INTENTIONAL REPORTING CONFUSION between the two levels seems to be a goal here. Next, Intel will only compare their new 10nm's against certain items, some SELECTED past Intel chipsets and some RATHER OLD AMD laptop chipsets. Then they make sweeping conclusions and claims like the stated results covers all items out there, which is so so so not true. Intel still knows how to do misleading testing at third party test houses, write very biased test specifications and Intel still loves their bogus comparisons and their Intel brown vapor PR ...... Finally, only a very very very few items in the Intel 10nm line are actually real enough to be purchased by independent testers at the moment -- many of the "reviews" being posted on line are on pre-production chipsets that you cannot actually buy right now which were provided to tame Intel shills to "report" upon while being already installed and set up (tuned) in an Intel owned test laptop. Part of this Intel pre-installed and Intel pre-tuned situation causes the uncertainty levels which overshadows these first "infomercial tests". However, let's give Intel the benefit of the doubt -- Intel will really make approximately 18-25% improvements in their own real performance against their own old units when their 10nm laptop stuff gets fully and finally reviewed by somebody trustworthy. This does not answer the AMD competition's previous 2 advancements both of which are an order of magnitude greater than the one improvement Intel 10nm has brought, multiple AMD advancements that have just been scheduled to kick upward yet another notch again very early next year. Will Intel's real actual large 10nm production lots in volume chronologically beat AMD's shipping out of their first testing samples of their 5nm laptop products? That foot race is more in line chronologically, with the two events to take place very late this year to first quarter of next year supposedly. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/08/19 at 21:43:40 https://wccftech.com/amd-epyc-rome-7nm-server-cpu-official-launch-64-core-128-thread-128-pcie-gen4/ http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/AMD-EPYC-ROME-1030x587.jpg Why is this worth reading? Because all the hard work that is done on AMD Epyc IS the source of the chiplets for the Consumer chipsets that are doing such severe damage to Intel at the moment. AMD's improvement cycles start right here as all the throughput improvements and all the neat little tricks that will roll out across the AMD line always start right here at the Epyc chiplet level. Yep, oggle this set of Epyc improvements very carefully as they will be showing up in the consumer Ryzen chiplets inside 6 months. Mind you, this particular Epyc release is a simple "tuning" release, not a major major lithography shrink like 5nm could be next year ....... assuming Intel actually goes and does anything on their side of the fence "as being competitive" so as to prompt Lisa Su to pull the trigger on that next round of AMD goodies, that is. AMD has officially announced the launch of their 7nm EPYC Rome processors today, offering higher core count, best in class performance, value & efficiency. Being the first high-performance data center, AI, & HPC centric chips based on TSMC’s bleeding-edge 7nm process node, the Rome lineup takes AMD one step ahead of their Xeon rivals that still utilize 14nm technology. AMD EPYC Rome Officially Launched – 7nm, 64 Cores, 128 Threads, Higher Clocks, Best-In-Class Performance, Efficiency, and Value AMD’s 2nd Generation EPYC Rome series is the successor to the first Generation EPYC Naples line of processors which launched two years back. Based on the 7nm Zen 2 core technology which has offered a 15% IPC uplift over the original Zen core, the AMD EPYC Rome CPUs are designed to offer higher performance and better efficiency than their predecessors. As Lisa likes to do it, several customers and partners joined AMD on the stage to discuss their new AMD EPYC processor offerings: Google announced it has deployed 2nd Gen AMD EPYC processors in its internal infrastructure production datacenter environment and in late 2019 will support new general-purpose machines powered by 2nd Gen AMD EPYC processors on Google Cloud Compute Engine as well; Twitter announced it will deploy 2nd Gen AMD EPYC processors across its datacenter infrastructure later this year, reducing TCO by 25%; Microsoft announced the preview of new Azure virtual machines for general purpose applications, as well as limited previews of cloud-based remote desktops and HPC workloads based on 2nd Gen AMD EPYC processors today; Hewlett Packard announced the continued support of the AMD EPYC processor family with plans to triple their AMD-based portfolio with a broad range of 2nd Gen AMD EPYC processor-based systems, including the HPE ProLiant DL385 and HPE ProLiant DL325 servers; Cray announced the Air Force Weather Agency will be using a Cray Shasta system with 2ndGen AMD EPYC processors to provide comprehensive terrestrial and space weather information to the U.S. Air Force and Army; Lenovo announced new solutions that are specifically built to take advantage of the full range of enhanced capabilities found in the 2nd Gen AMD EPYC processors. Available today, the ThinkSystem SR655 and SR635 are ideal solutions for use cases such as video infrastructure, virtualization, software-defined storage and more, with exceptional energy efficiency; Dell announced the upcoming availability of newly designed servers optimized for 2nd Gen AMD EPYC processors; VMware and AMD announced a close collaboration to deliver support for new security and other features of the high-performance 2ndGen AMD EPYC processors within VMware vSphere. Zen 2 doesn’t only offer higher performance but due to a smaller manufacturing process, the resultant die size has allowed AMD to cram twice the number of cores and threads on the EPYC 7002 CPUs while retaining higher out of box clock speeds. Following are some of the salient "industry firsts" features of the 7nm EPYC Rome processors: 1) Built on 7nm advanced process technology – the best the industry currently has to offer, allowing for denser compute capabilities with lower power consumption. 2) The world’s first 64 core data center CPU, built using Zen 2 high-performance cores and AMD’s innovative Chiplet architecture 3) The world’s first mainstream PCIe Gen 4.0 data center CPU with a bandwidth of up to 64GB/s, twice of PCIe Gen 3.0 4) Embedded hardware security protection to help defend your CPU, applications, and data that requires no mitigations in the OS system. (means a 25% throughput upper when compared to Intel processors) AMD has made significant changes to their CPU architecture which help deliver twice the throughput of their first-generation Zen architecture. The major points include an entirely redesigned execution pipeline, major floating-point advances which doubled the floating-point registers to 256-bit and double bandwidth for load/store units. One of the key upgrades for Zen 2 is the doubling of the core density which means we are now looking at 2x the core count for each core complex (CCX). Improved Execution Pipeline Doubled Floating Point (256-bit) and Load/Store (Doubled Bandwidth) Doubled Core Density Half the Energy Per Operation Improved Branch Prediction Better Instruction Pre-Fetching Re-Optimized Instruction Cache Larger Op Cache Increased Dispatch / Retire Bandwidth Maintaining High Throughput for All Modes This also serves as a long laundry list of major companies that are NOT BUYING NEAR AS MUCH STUFF FROM INTEL ANY LONGER for their data center uses. Nobody simply throws away all their old mainframe stuff and simply replaces all their servers at a lick, but for AMD to pick up 20% in a year's time says they are selling in the vast majority of the new expansion stuff (out of that 25% of the grand total yearly potential expansion mainframe ball court --- that is the playing field that AMD just picked up their 20% market share out of --- so you can say AMD is picking up roughly 80% of the new items out of the mainframe/rackspace expansion new installation sales). Should Intel be worried? Yep, Intel should be worried. If AMD can keep showing improvement levels anywhere near this, even the most loyal of Intel "big iron" fans will eventually have to start buying AMD new products because it is simply much better stuff and it is a lot cheaper to buy and a lot cheaper to own year on year. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/11/19 at 11:34:18 https://www.extremetech.com/computing/296453-welcome-to-the-second-golden-age-of-amd Here is a different viewpoint on AMD's second golden age --- it points out that Intel couldn't completely cope with last year's AMD innovations and Intel has made no real progress in the year since the last match up. Now AMD has moved the high jump bar up a notch and this implies that AMD's rate of improvement is just going to continue ---- driving Intel into the ground like a tent stake. http://https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/AMD-EPYC-7002-Linux-Kernel-Compile-Benchmark-Result-640x386.jpg http://https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/AMD-EPYC-7002-v-2nd-Gen-Intel-Xeon-Scalable-Top-Line-Comparison-640x376.jpg Part of AMD’s advantage currently is that it can hit multiple Intel weaknesses simultaneously. Need lots of PCIe lanes? AMD is better. Want PCIe 4.0? AMD is better. If your workloads scale optimally with more cores, no one is selling more cores per socket than AMD. The move to 7nm has given AMD a large advantage in power consumption as well, particularly when you consider server retirements. STH reports single-threaded power consumption on a Xeon Platinum 8180 at ~430W (wall power), compared to ~340W of wall power for the AMD Epyc 7742 system. What they also note, however, is that the high core count on AMD’s newest CPUs will allow them to retire between 6-8 sockets worth of 2017 Intel Xeons (60-80 cores) in order to consolidate the workloads into a single AMD Epyc system. The power savings from retiring 3-4 dual-socket servers is much much much larger than the ~90W difference between the two CPUs. This is enough energy savings payback by itself to justify buying new AMD systems going forward. So, Intel is forced into Playing AMD’s Game Now Intel can cut its prices to respond to AMD in the short-term. Long-term, it’s going to have to challenge AMD directly. That’s going to mean delivering more cores at lower prices, with higher amounts of reasonably priced normal memory supported per socket. Intel's Cooper Lake, which is built on 14nm and includes additional support for new AI-focused AVX-512 instructions, will arrive in the first half of next year. That chip will help Intel focus in on some of the markets it wants to compete in, but it won’t change the core count differential between the two companies. Similarly, Intel may have trouble putting a $3000 – $7000 premium on support for 2TB – 4.5TB of RAM given that AMD is willing to support up to 4TB of memory on every CPU socket. Intel still wants vendors to invest in building support for its Optane DC Persistent Memory, but it isn’t clear how many are doing so. Nothing that Intel offers now operates at full rated speed unless backed by COPIOUS AMOUNTS of Optane memory in several forms and locations on the Intel motherboard. Much of the recent speed increases from Intel have actually been all the large amounts of Optane clustered all around the CPUs. The current rock-bottom prices for both NAND and DRAM have made it much harder for Optane/Intel to compete in-market. AMD's products all use normal memory types and AMD still functions AS FAST OR FASTER than Intel's very very expensive Optane mix while doing so. Two years ago Intel chose to bet their farm on using lots & lots & lots of Optane Memory instead of doing CPU lithography advances and basic design improvements and this decision has come up a crapper in light of current realities ...... Please note that even Intel's old memory business partner Micron has now given up on Optane as a bad bet as it had never proved out to be the world beating advancement that Intel's brown vapor PR had always touted it to be. :-/ What agonies does next year hold for the long suffering "incompetents" at Intel and their Wintel buddy MS ...... http://https://hothardware.com/ContentImages/NewsItem/48950/content/AMD_Roadmap_Zen_3.jpg Intel is now throwing a ton of shade at MS for up to 20 historically faulty drivers that they have incorporated into the Win 10 worldview, drivers that once they are mitigated are really really going to hurt Intel's chips performance levels a whole lot more. Wintel as a pair is going to pay a mighty price for a dozens of years of laziness, back when they first knew about these issues but instead chose to sweep them under the rug rather than fix these underlying issues. Yep, more class action lawsuits are being posted and people are signing up now to get in line for their damages payouts. By doing this, Intel hopes that the class action lawsuit bills fall mostly on MS and not on them quite so much ...... So, as of today realize that "Microsoft running on Intel" isn't going to be nearly as fast nor secure nor as controversy free as running Linux on Ryzen will be going on out into the future. Also realize that this same "avoid the issues, avoid the penalties" mentality still exists at Wintel as Intel in particular wants to continue to put out hardware that completely lacks any hardware fixes these 8 old original predictive mitigations and also has no fixes for these 20+ new driver based mitigations that still need fixing. Really, the Wintel pair simply cannot stand becoming any "functionally slower" due to more mitigations or they WILL LOSE YET MORE FACE inside their industry. Tom's Hardware as one of the better test houses has begun listing all their test results as "with mitigations" and immediately listing them again "without mitigations" so as to calmly call out Intel on the sheer size of their self-deceiving processor rating practices. :P |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/13/19 at 00:36:48 https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2019/08/11/critical-windows-10-warning-confirmed-millions-of-users-are-at-risk/#1162d9b72b51 Critical Windows 10 Warning: 800 Millions Of Users At Risk As the Black Hat security conference comes to an end in Las Vegas, so the DEF CON hacker convention begins. It didn't take long for the first critical warnings for Windows users to emerge as a result. This one is particularly worrying as, according to the Eclypsium researchers who gave the presentation, the issue applies "to all modern versions of Microsoft Windows," which leaves millions of Windows 10 users at risk of system compromise. What did the Eclypsium researchers reveal? In a nutshell, the Eclypsium researchers found a common design flaw within the hardware device drivers from multiple vendors including Huawei, Intel, NVIDIA, Realtek Semiconductor, SuperMicro and Toshiba. In total, the number of hardware vendors affected runs to 20 and includes every major BIOS vendor. The nature of the vulnerability has the potential for the widespread compromise of Windows 10 machines. Eclypsium’s research team were investigating how insecure drivers can be abused to attack a device and gain a foothold on the system it is part of. "Drivers that provide access to system BIOS or system components for the purposes of updating firmware, running diagnostics, or customizing options on the component," the researchers stated during their presentation, "can allow attackers to turn the very tools used to manage a system into powerful threats that can escalate privileges and persist invisibly on the host." The drivers were found to have design flaws that enable what are meant to be "low-privilege" applications to be used by a threat actor in such a way as to potentially compromise parts of the Windows operating system that should only be accessible by "privileged" applications. That includes the Windows kernel at the very heart of the operating system. Certified for trust The dangerous escalation of privileges problem, giving an attacker read and write access at the same level as the kernel, becomes more problematical when you realize the level of trust that can be exploited here. These were not "rogue" drivers, but officially sanctioned ones. They were all from trusted vendors, all signed by trusted certificate authorities and all certified by Microsoft. As the drivers are designed specifically to update firmware, the seriousness of the issue becomes very apparent, very quickly. The flawed drivers not only provide the mechanism to make these changes but also the privileges to do so. If a threat actor can manipulate this combination of bad coding and signed certification, well, the outcome isn't going to look pretty. The researchers stated that there are "multiple examples of attacks in the wild that take advantage of this class of vulnerable drivers." Examples provided included the Slingshot APT campaign which installs a kernel rootkit and "LoJax malware" that installs malicious code in device firmware that can even survive a full Windows reinstallation. Has the problem been fixed yet? Mickey Shkatov, a principal researcher at Eclypsium, told ZDNet that "Some vendors, like Intel and Huawei, have already issued some updates." Others, which are independent BIOS vendors, like Phoenix and Insyde, "are releasing their updates to their customer OEMs," Shkatov said. The Eclypsium research reveals that the security issue applies to "all modern versions of Microsoft Windows," and "there is currently no universal mechanism to keep a Windows machine from loading one of these known bad drivers." That said, group policies for Windows Enterprise, Pro and Sever could provide a degree of mitigation to "a subset of users," the researchers stated. The full list of vendors that have issued updates, which you should install as soon as possible, can be found here. https://eclypsium.com/2019/08/10/screwed-drivers-signed-sealed-delivered/ What has Microsoft said? A Microsoft statement said, "In order to exploit vulnerable drivers, an attacker would need to have already compromised the computer. To help mitigate this class of issues, Microsoft recommends that customers use Windows Defender Application Control to block known vulnerable software and drivers." As well as turning on memory integrity for capable devices in Windows Security, Microsoft also recommended using Windows 10 and the Edge browser "for the best protection." Guys, we are talking about people using very widely dispersed info on documented drivers in a way that is just slightly different from what they have been doing all along. Microsoft in this last paragraph above is just whistling out loud in the dark as they walk past the grave yard, knowing darne well that there are evil things lurking among the tombstones jest aching to reach out over the wall and grab them whistling fools by their headbones ...... ================================================== So, the first brown vapor PR reaction from MS was to simply blow it all off, saying that Windows Defender would handle it all for you jest fine ........ jest some more standard normal Windows patchwork was needed, in other words. Ha, bullshite Yesterday, Microsoft had said, "In order to exploit vulnerable drivers, an attacker would need to have already compromised the computer. To help mitigate this class of issues, Microsoft recommends that customers use Windows Defender Application Control to block known vulnerable software and drivers." It is obvious this MS talking head that said this had no idea what he was addressing, nor did this spokesperson understand the programming of the OS system in any depth at all. This MS Brown Vapor BS PR response totally missed the important point that the drivers in question (all of which are MS Certified as bug proof by MS) ARE ALREADY SITTING ON YOUR MACHINE AND ARE ACTUALLY A FUNCTIONAL PART OF THE MS WINDOWS OPERATING SYSTEM THAT YOU ARE USING RIGHT NOW. Hey, you can't get more "already compromised" than that, now can you? https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/08/13/microsoft-windows-10-upgrade-new-bluekeep-critical-warning-upgrade-windows/#2d6ccf4e7e1b Today however paints quite a different story. Simon Pope, Microsoft’s Director of Incident Response is now posting in its Security Response Center a real admission of the EXTREMELY SERIOUS NATURE AND THE HUGE EXISTING SCOPE of the danger posed by the two weaponized malwares that are already known to be out there in the wild eating up computers right and left. Microsoft told users that it has discovered two “critical” Remote Code Execution (RCE) vulnerabilities which are “background wormable” through the compromised drivers. [color=#ff0000][b]This means the affected 20 plus drivers can be weaponized to launch malwares that jumps automatically on contact from PC to server to new PCs, spreading across the world at backbone speeds without any action being needed from the user. And there are potentially 800 hundred million networked completely vulnerable MS computers that the stuff can leapfrog around between, all sitting out on the web each day talking to each other. In a statement, Simon Pope, Microsoft’s Director of Incident Response, confirmed the vulnerabilities affect "all supported versions of Windows 10, including server versions." Back in March, Microsoft pegged Windows 10 numbers at 800M. In addition to this, Pope confirmed other "affected versions of Windows are Windows 7 SP1, Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1, Windows Server 2012, Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2" - these are important platforms but with far less market share. Pope stressed speed is of the essence, stating: “It is important that affected systems are patched as quickly as possible,” while ZDNet warned users that it is now “A race to patch before very widespread attacks get underway”. To patch the vulnerabilities go to CVE-2019-1181 and CVE-2019-1182, find your Windows version in the ‘Security Updates’ section and download the appropriate patch. Microsoft is pushing these updates out to Windows Update but, as Pope warns, it’s best to act immediately. https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2019-1181 https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2019-1182 |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/13/19 at 01:03:48 https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-zen-3-news-rumors-release-date-architecture/ The Upcoming AMD Zen 3: Everything we know so far http://https://icdn2.digitaltrends.com/image/digitaltrends/zen3roadmap01-768x768.jpg AMD announced in early August 2019 that the design phase for Zen 3 was now complete and that its hardware developers were moving on to the design challenges faced by Zen 4. With Zen 3's designs completed, AMD can now move on to testing and prototyping Zen 3 chips. How successful that process is will determine whether we’ll see Zen 3-based CPUs show up in early summer 2020, or more towards the holiday season. Either way, we expect Zen 3 to show up in 2020 as part of a full, commercial line up of CPUs. The full range of processors has a trio of codenames. Milan will be for high-end servers, a replacement for the Epyc Rome CPUs. Vermeer will be for high-end desktops and enthusiasts, possibly Threadripper CPUs, while Renoir will be for mainstream desktop CPUs and mobile APUs. These mainstream AMD chipsets will face off with Intel’s Tiger Lake CPUs on the desktop. PERFORMANCE Zen 2 CPUs were a major advancement over the first-generation Zen and enhanced Zen+ designs. It offered double-digit instructions per clock improvements, boosted clock speeds, and additional cores for improved multithreading capabilities. Since Zen 3 will be more of an evolution than a revolution, we don’t expect the same major enhancements, but there should be some notable improvements all the same. Due to the new manufacturing methods used in the creation of Zen 3, we expect to see improvements in clock speed and energy efficiency. That could help AMD’s Ryzen processors crest 5GHz for the first time right out of the box. There’s also the possibility of new instruction sets, which could enhance the entire range’s performance in particular workloads. Full 7nm EUV+ at TSMC also brings along abilities to triple layer burn features into standard silicone wafers, something AMD has been quick to utilize this past year to add extra cache memory to a few current Ryzen Zen 2 gaming chipsets. ARCHITECTURE Zen 3 is based on a 7nm+ process node. While technically the distance between transistors shouldn’t change much, the new manufacturing technique known as extreme ultraviolet lithography (EUV) enables a thinner burn track and a far denser packing of transistors (up to 20 percent) than Zen 2’s fuzzier deep ultraviolet (DUV) methodology. That extra density should improve energy efficiency, which AMD can in turn leverage to enhance clock speed or other facets of the processors’ performance. In an interview with TechPowerUp in April 2019, AMD’s CTO Mark Papermaster suggested that Zen 3 would prioritize energy efficiency, but that we would still see some modest instructions per clock improvements over Zen 2 as well. That should lead to greater single threaded and multithreaded performance. When combined with additional clock speed, these CPUs should be even better in gaming than the already excellent Ryzen 3900X. Remember please, that Intel rates everything from stone dead cold (pre-boot cold temps) and that in less than a minute the Intel "rated speeds" simply no longer apply to anything that exists in the real world. AMD however rates their stuff fully warmed up and under full load using the AMD supplied stock fan and fin cooler system, so AMD's functional speed ratings actually may well be faster than Intel's never declared fully heated up functional speed ratings ----- but this situation reminds us that Intel ALWAYS intends to mislead their customer base and Intel always wants to "win the PR war" any way they can. So far, Tom's Hardware is the only one offering fully heated up speed rating comparisons and they are showing Ryzen 2 chipsets have greater fully warmed running speeds than Intel's finest --- even when Intel is running water coolers (in a few cases anyway). Yes, Intel now recommends and requires WATER COOLING and lots of Optane memory in some of its "stock configurations". ::) |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/13/19 at 09:22:44 https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-windows-is-falling-apart-says-google-and-bill-nye/ School is getting ready to start again. Parents are dealing with getting a set of new Chromebooks for their kids, and the kids are getting not so subtly encouraged by Bill Nye the Science guy to go ask their parents why do they still stay stuck on Windows machines when the Chromebooks work so much better and are so much easier to use? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS0H0XDDotI actually, your kids do routinely use both systems and have indeed earned the right to have a valid opinion about them This constitutes a prefect storm scenario as just now Windows has just dumped 20+ brand new security issues on 800 million unsuspecting Windows Users. These are brand new security issues that are all about the in excess of >20 known sources of hack-able Certified Windows system drivers that can be readily used to create large security exposures that allow malwares full access to your PC. This sort of action makes Bill Nye's "Windows falling apart" motif actually very very real right now. "Sometimes, it's hard to let go of a bad decision," intones Nye. This, he explains, is called the Sunk Cost Fallacy. At least, by behavioral economists who had to coin a term so they could quickly refer to this particular mental illness. WINDOWS 10 It takes Nye nigh on two minutes to expose his real point. Which is that Windows is a sad jalopy that should be dispatched to the dump. Note: I didn't write this Nye/nigh pitiful pun stuff, CHRIS MATYSZCZYK at ZDnet wrote that No, Nye doesn't quite say that. in a simple clear fashion. Instead, he says he that he, too, suffered from the Status Quo Bias, another fancy, quasi-scientific term for irrationally resisting change. Then he walks over to a sad old sports car that's being held together with duct tape and patches. "We've been through a lot together," he says of the car. Then he pats the hood and spontaneous multiple disintegrations begin. How do I know that this miserable old vehicle represents Windows? Because the extremely subtle license plate reads WNDWS on the front bumper. ::) https://youtu.be/DS0H0XDDotI it is a short 3 minute long YouTube video, just take the tiny bit of time to watch it as Bill Nye makes some very good points during his short 3 minute video. (funded by Google, of course) |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/16/19 at 14:34:34 lower-clock-speeds-on-intels-10th-gen-ice-lake-cpus-arent-a-disaster.html (https://www.pcworld.com/article/3431219/why-the-15%) https://www.pcworld.com/article/3410589/is-ice-lake-better-than-ryzen-9.html http://https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2019/05/ice-lake-u-and-y-modules-100796956-large.jpg Intel is the overly large on on top, AMD is the squarish one below that. OK, we are talking new BS brown vapor set up testing by Intel again, specifically the new Ice Lake 10nm as the case in question. You were just faithfully promised a 18% speed/performance and battery life upper by INTEL. The actual first test samples (as cherry picked and installed and tweeked inside INTEL owned laptops did not give these +18% results, but instead tested same - same to the old 14+++nm Intel laptop chipsets that are commonly out there right now with disappointing (no improvements seen, actually really not as good battery life results were seen). Intel just got slammed hard for the crappy battery life results and flat out questioned as to why anybody would build or buy a 10nm Intel Ice Lake product because of these somewhat poor test results. Indeed, there suddenly are no plans by the big builders to carry forward with the entire Ice Lake line of desktop products, as they are SLOWER than the old INTEL 14+++nm desktop chipsets they would compete against and Ice Lake poses no competition to the latest 7nm all-in-one Ryzen processors from AMD much less the Ryzen lineup we have today. Because of these vocal and misleading INTEL challenges, AMD has brought forward their next APU series of processors early and PLEASE watch out what the Intel to AMD "comparisons" you are being shown are really comparing what to what, PLEASE --- there are too many INTEL benchmarking games being played here to even list all of them. The easiest way for you to catch the BS is to use this chart and spot how far back in time (how far out of sync) the INTEL match ups you are being shown really are. INTEL does not want to compare themselves to any current modern state of the art AMD processor of any current generation it seems like ..... nor do they want to compare 10nm ICE LAKE against the most current crop of modern 14+++ nm INTEL processors either. (except for the new INTEL graphics included that is, INTEL can claim an improvement to their old stuff there) TAKE NOTHING AT FACE VALUE, there is lots & lots of lying vaporware and BS are being applied lately by INTEL because, quite frankly they've really got bupkiss to show you right now, but are instead trying to sell some raw freshly produced INTEL PR on some some vague future brown vapor bupkiss, a set of misleading intentional lies that is going to cost them a bundle in class action court rooms soon enough ...... http://https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2019/07/leaked_ice_lake_u_score_2_pump_the_hate_brakes_thanos-100802620-large.jpg Spot where you really are on this graph, KNOW ABOUT the two items you are comparing to each other. Lastly, always remember that INTEL rates processor speed from a stone cold starting point (rating off the one very best core in the set) and that INTEL does not apply security mitigations for all their various illnesses to test sets (because it could cost them 15-25% of their already marginal performance). PART OF THIS MESS IS THE INTENTIONAL CONFUSION BETWEEN THE LOW END ICE LAKE UNIT AND THE "i7" UPPER END ICE LAKE UNIT. I have to confess to still being confused by the two of them, and I suspect this was intentional on Intel's part. Intel's lower end Ice Lake unit appears to be a stone lose-lose situation no matter what you compare it to, while the upper end Ice Lake unit should be able so show break even to a bit better than break even due to the improvements in the new generation of Intel graphics. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/18/19 at 23:08:46 https://www.techspot.com/news/81496-intel-10th-gen-18-core-beats-core-i9.html Intel's 10th-gen 18-core beats Core i9-9980XE by 11%, Ryzen remains faster Intel beats up on itself thoroughly, but does not touch AMD's commanding lead at all http://https://i0.wp.com/pokde.net/assets/uploads/2015/10/cpu-wafer.jpg?fit=640%2C353&ssl=1 Why it matters: Intel’s next glorious 18-core behemoth has thundered into the Geekbench 4 arena where it has vanquished the i9-9980XE by 11% in the multi-core test, a bold display of dominance for an engineering sample. But can it handle the heat of the Ryzen 9 3950X it was doubtlessly built to combat? Apparently not, given that the Ryzen chip scores 12% higher in the multi-core testing, and 9% higher in the single-core testing. Now for the breakdown: we know this chip is next-gen, because Geekbench lists the stepping as seven, while released chips are on the fifth stepping. It’s also likely this specific chip is a Xeon as it was tested in a Dell Precision 5820 workstation that is only sold with Xeons, but that’s academic really, as there is functionally no difference between a Xeon and its Core i9 equivalent. Model Cores/ Threads Base/Boost (GHz) L3 Cache (MB) MSRP Multi-Core Score Single-Core Score Intel 18-core* 18/36 2.2/3.2 24.75 - 100% 100% Intel i9-9980XE 18/36 3.0/4.4 24.75 $1,700 90% 100% Intel i9-7980XE 18/36 2.6/4.2 24.75 $1,765 80% 99% Ryzen 9 3950X* 16/32 3.3/4.3 64.00 $750 112% 109% Ryzen 9 3900X 12/24 3.8/4.6 64.00 $500 84% 105% *Specfications of unreleased hardware (as detected by Geekbench) are not set in stone. Assuming the 54,597 score is accurate, the new chip slots in nicely above the i9-9980XE/Xeon W-2195 in multi-core tasks, so we could expect it to be excellent at the usual things: renders, simulations, file compression, encryption/decryption, encoding, exporting, etc. In these tasks, the i9-9980XE tends to roughly match the older Threadripper 2990WX (32-core) so the new Intel chip should come out slightly on top for 1-2 months until the new Threadripper lineup is released. Ryzen 9 3950X is a standard Ryzen top of the line unit which is beating Intel's best at the moment, and we are awaiting the new Threadripper line up as well, which is due out next month. However, one must also consider the price of these things. Previous mainstream Intel 18-cores have had an MSRP in excess of $1,700 and in practice go for about $2,000 and their Xeon counterparts go for about $3,000, while the Ryzen 3950X which beats both of these Intel processors will cost only $750. Quite frankly, that $1000+ price advantage that AMD is keeping on these top end units totally kills the viability of this new Intel processor --- unless Intel decides to radically re-evaluate their i9 and Xeon pricing strategies that is. Once again, this is an Intel move that SIGNIFIES NO PROGRESS as it is simply the rebranding another old huge slow Xeon mainframe processor ---- and note, this old/new unit does not go any faster than it did before, certainly not anywhere near the 5+ghz plus clock speeds that we were promised by the Intel talking heads. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 09/23/19 at 05:25:30 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-cpu-sales-intel-ryzen-german-market-retailer-mindfactory,40453.html AMD Comes Roaring Back: Analyzing Five Years of CPU Sales at Mindfactory http://https://img.purch.com/ingebor-3-png/w/711/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS9RLzYvODUxMTE4L29yaWdpbmFsL2luZ2Vib3ItMy5wbmc= The graph above is with AMD consistently sandbagging unmercifully on all their newest stuff as Intel isn't improving any at all (save for a dubious very few 10nm laptops). AMD is being very careful to keep the range of actual performance improvement and pricing differential at about the same distance apart compared to Intel --- this fuels their removal of Intel market share at a rate that AMD can support. AMD is also being careful to post rapid fixes for anything Intel starts to use as a FUD talking point. In the past month Intel and its paid talking heads have pushed a lot of FUD nonsense that said: AMD processors runs hot, hotter than Intel ----- this was debunked as simply not true unless you were running ALL of the AMD cores at full tilt during a benchmark test (a thing that really does not happen in the real world). Intel's boys carelessly lost track of the fact there are TWICE AS MANY OR MORE AMD CORES running at full tilt during these tests and that the fact the entire heat load of all of the extra AMD cores did not exceed Intel's normal heat rise by very much at all. Each AMD core runs a lot cooler than an Intel core can run. But yes, there are a lot more AMD cores to make heat during a full on benchmark test. Intel made a lot of noise several weeks ago about a few low performing AMD cores that were seen in testing, and a lot more noise about AMD having "throttled their cores 25% more due to suspected (predicted) low service life". AMD responded that their service life is fine, and yes out of the 2x more than Intel cores in an AMD processor some cores do perform slower, but all are within the now understood published acceptance ranges. AMD also points out that Intel does the exact same thing, but Intel allows some cores to vary much more than AMD allows. AMD's response was prompt and factual, and these facts were verified by Tom's Hardware. Also, within 1 week AMD's vendors were pushing out BIOS updates for their motherboard products that caused these slow cores to speed up some and this same BIOS update also changed the scheduling portion such that the slower AMD cores got less heavy traffic put against them by the scheduler. Intel's current talking point FUD issues basically disappeared at that point in time. So what is really happening? Intel simply is losing a lot of ground to AMD and Intel hates that fact a lot. Fear, Uncertainty and Dismay has always been an Intel marketing tool and that aspect has not changed at all. This week's Intel FUD is saying that AMD is going to run out of manufacturing capacity and the "current shortages" of AMD chipsets are proof of this. Look at the graph up at the top. AMD is selling so many more chipsets (and Intel is selling so few) that yes, AMD is being careful about the timing of introducing new advanced products to be sure that they have enough 7nm chiplets flowing to build yet another hit product. In reality, Apple kicking into their full new 7nm product production cycle has stressed TSMC's ability to make everybody happy all at the same time at 7nm++ right now. Apart from AMD and Apple, TSMC's lead times have just tripled for all the little guys who are just now placing their very first 7nm orders. TSMC's solution is to rapidly ramp up 5 more brand new ASML 5nm lines. TSMC wisely spends their money on next year's best and brightest, not on old stuff with less than a year to go on it's primo lifespan. TSMC has released all of the build tools for 5nm to their customers now and is getting 5nm 14 layer deep burn orders already placed on them from AMD, Apple and others. Full 5nm Production at TSMC begins soon, like March of next year type soon (or sooner if your name is Apple). So, TSMC isn't buying any additional 7nm lines, but is spending all their money staying ahead of the coming 5nm wave. When Apple and AMD shift over to 5nm, then some of the current pressure will come off of the existing 7nm production lines. Remember please, that the new 5nm lines can do a 7nm product in a pinch, just that all of the rest of the 14 layer stuff won't be used when doing 7nm but if the demand is there and the new 5nm line is idle ....... well, heck, go for it. Bean pickers are funny, new production lines need to be booked solid so as to generate a revenue flow to pay for the new line out of its own cash flow (while you are paying for it actively, anyway). TSMC likes to be booked solid with a waiting list so they KNOW they get their full utilization of the money they just spend on new production equipment. =================================================== Good news, Intel has finally placed their first real orders for some real 7nm++ EUV production equipment --- this puts them 1.5 years minimum away from making a real 7nm full production line of chipsets ...... and Intel is 1.5 years behind all the hockey stick boys who had ordered their stuff late this spring and are most of the way through their wait period. Intel is calling their old home grown 7nm lines "10nm lines" now, so expect Intel to make a whole lot of 10nm stuff before they make any real quantities of "new" Intel 7nm++ fresh off of their really new new really really 7nm EUV lines, the ones that Intel just placed orders on ...... ::) ..... i.e. by the time everybody else will be moving from 5nm down to 3nm |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 09/26/19 at 08:01:56 Open Source Simultaneous Multi-Threading vs Intel Hyperthreading Open Source SMT works just fine, and if an exploit is written against it, the Open Source boys are quick to change the core code such that the exploit (and any cousins, brothers, sisters etc.) cannot possibly work going out into the future. Intel and MS won't (or can't) fix their Hyperthreading code in a similar fashion and tend to do nothing until there is a bunch of massive illnesses about out there in the real world with class action suits banging them in the head. So why bring this up again? Intel Hyperthreading is currently still broken with active exploits making it suicide to use Hyperthreading at all on any 2 year old Intel processors. Wintel has had shut to off Hyperthreading completely on many of older Intel processors because it is a suicide dumb move to go there with active exploits out in the wild waiting to use your machine as their riding pony. AMD and SMT however are working great on all AMD processors with zero functional exploits, giving AMD processors quite the advantage over Intel in mixed processing of all sorts. What could possibly happen to make this situation worst for Intel? Why, Open source has just released their version 4.0 of SMT. The SMT4 core code is allowing for FOUR (4) active threads per processor core. AMD has announced that, as an active part of the SMT consortium that built the stuff (along with IBM and others) they will implement SMT4 at 4 threads per core with their Zen 3 line which is coming up in March of next year. And remember, AMD processors pack a bunch of cores, twice as many cores as Intel right now, generally speaking. And now the Zen 3 AMD cores are going to be doing 2-4 times as many threads per core compared to Intel next year ?????? Advantage on top of Advantage !!!! :o Confirmation came very quickly on this one ---- yep, AMD will be pushing 4 threads per core in an attempt to get yet MORE THROUGHPUT PERFORMANCE out of all their many many many cores and their wider faster PCIe 4.0 data channels. Zen 3 is also showing some early signs of using the 15 layer multi-layer burn "larger on chip memory" a la TSMC 5nm technology on some of the more advanced AMD processor chiplets. Extra on chip memory is needed to support the 4x extra SMT threads on each and every AMD core. New sockets and new motherboards will be needed to max out all the extra new PCIe 4.0 fast data channels and to provide for maximum use of the 4x SMT threads per core capabilities. In short, Intel's much ballyhoo'd single thread speed isn't any sort of advantage any more, not really. No PR vapor blasts or any other words in response coming out from Intel just yet ...... ::) (just some pain filled wimpers coming from the Intel guy over there wedged into the corner holding his head in his hands, rocking back and forth muttering to himself) ================================================== https://www.itworld.com/article/2724598/why-dell-is-selling-linux-again.html Dell is selling consumer line machines specifically configured with Ubuntu Linux and on the IT side of things you can get Dell Business Machines configured with Red Hat Linux. Dell has them set up on unique web pages proudly announcing Linux now, not just having Linux listed down in the "Options" section ...... Linux has become a selling point. Why is this preference shift happening now? An endless stream of "unfixable" MS Windows OS screw ups seems to lay at the root of most of this preference changeover. A secondary reason is that Linux fully supports the new wider AMD pipeline counts and Linux fully supports the new 4x SMT thread counts while MS Windows does not (not on all machines anyway). |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 10/02/19 at 00:05:14 https://wccftech.com/intel-guts-cpu-pricing-response-ryzen/ Intel cuts some prices by 44% http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/amd_vs_intel-cpu1.jpg HEDT SKU Cores / Threads New Price Old Price* Intel Core i9-10980XE 18/36 $979 $1979 Intel Core i9-10940X 14/28 $784 $1387 Intel Core i9-10920X 12/24 $689 $1189 Intel Core i9-10900X 10/20 $590 $989 OK, Intel is sorta kinda getting real now ...... they have half the cores of AMD, a quarter to half as many computing threads, and whole warehouses sitting full of older model chipsets that are NOT MOVING ANY AT ALL ...... what is a boy to do ???? Mind you this newly announced 44% price cut is a partial move on Intel's part, it does not make them price or performance competitive to AMD, but it does help Intel to turn warehouse stocks into ready cash which Intel needs very badly. And as a first move at least it is in the right direction. Intel post price cut pricing is within 10% of AMD's real selling prices. But you can't buy from Intel at this price, only Intel's historical builder buddies can buy at this 44% off price right now. Intel has replied to AMD's last announcement, this time in a response that actually could meant something. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 10/05/19 at 20:34:26 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-zen-3-zen-4-epyc-rome-milan-genoa-architecture-microarchitecture,40561.html AMD's mainframe guys just attended a big mainframe conference in England where two of them got on the stage and expounded on what AMD is gonna do in mainframes over the next 4 years. Gist of what I could understand is that using the same existing socket and format, the memory available on each chiplet would triple to 3x using TSMC deep layer burn techniques and the thread counts and I/O pipelines would triple/quadruple. Throughput will go up by a third and speed with go up by 20%-25% (and this is on a lowly tock cycle, not a big redesign cycle). However, by going ahead and changing the mainframe socket and the various motherboard data channel features now that means that AMD can tee up all those extra channels and all those extra SMT threads to be much much much much more effective and much much better. But it is generally thought that for a lowly tock cycle, no such major investment requirements will be pursued since the next year the 5nm wave will come through making any big retooling money spent this upcoming year "as wasted money". Plus, remember whatever they want to put into Ryzen has to be developed to go into mainframe stuff first (there is a half year lead time between the two). This same technology would play in Consumer Ryzen during the same lead time period, as the mainframe boyos have again simply stated that the same chiplets go into EVERYTHING AMD makes. What they want to have happen in mainframe has to happen everywhere else in AMD at the same time. Big sets of moves like this generally tend to converge around a lithography shrink such as the big 5nm shrink taking place in the first half of next year. We knew that, but it is always good to see AMD has simply baldly stated this fact right along with a 4 year future pathway plan that 1) makes sense 2) is practical 3) will likely actually happen. Intel is fumbling on their future pathway stuff right now very very badly --- Intel lacks the "main technology future pathway" to hang their hat on, and as such everything else gets all "very shaky" one year out due to this key lack. Intel struggles just to keep their current lies consistent between departments, in other words. Intel is still struggling to get to a true 7nm, but by the time they finally get there everyone else will be transitioning at 5-3nm. 5nm is real now and 5nm chipsets for phones ships this spring from Apple and Qualcomm and Mediatek and Huawei. Samsung has 5nm up and running right now, under the moniker "5nm low power early" |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 10/07/19 at 08:43:54 https://liliputing.com/2019/10/the-new-fire-hd-10-is-amazons-first-tablet-with-usb-c.html http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/fhd8_01.jpg?resize=768%2C580&ssl=1 Many times I have said, if you want to know the real "state of the art" look to the lowest common denominator, the low end products, to judge if progress is really happening or not. Right now, the low end stuff is best represented by the AMAZON FIRE line of tablets and the WALMART ONN line of tablets. In the past six months, these lines of products has gotten 30% stronger processors, better pipelines and throughputs and Amazon has picked up USB C and the ability to use USB C "on the go" (Walmart is behind on this, but not for long I suspect). Now saying this, I remember doing a reality check just last year and finding out many of these new Amazon Fire advancements DID NOT WORK AT ALL because Amazon was feuding with Google again and Amazon Fire products didn't load the current Google drivers, etc. This Amazon/Google feud is still going, Amazon does NOT COME SOFTWARE COMPLETE OR CURRENT, it remains 3-4 years back in time compared to the rest of the Android world. And this means the Amazon hardware although it may be current doesn't work as expected. This situation has prompted Walmart to come out with their own line of tablets that do come with some improved hardware and DO SWING A MODERN 9.0 ANDROID COMPLETE WITH ALL DRIVERS. Walmart's unit is running the current Android 9.0, but all the internals are the older mini USB standard and the processor and the memory are not as good as the current Fire products that are swinging USB C. But Amazon with the more modern hardware is still being self-crippled by not using the current Android 9.0 software and drivers. Walmart will be quick to fix this situation, Walmart will probably have new units out in time for Christmas with modern guts swinging Android 10 as Walmart is attempting to outdo Amazon in all things lately, but this one Walmart effort seems to be working out somewhat better than the rest of their Amazon beaters ...... So, buy what your are gonna buy anyway, just be aware that better stuff is only a month or so away. Justin will buy his wife a new Amazon Fire 8" when the time comes (amazing ain't it -- just how regular this "spontaneous Fire death" occurs, huh?) My wife is still using her Fire 8" tablet regularly, but her battery acting sorta weak so I am watching this newest Fire 10" as a potential upgrade Christmas present for her for next year. Her Fire 8" is jailbroken and it gets Android 9 updates directly from Google, so I doubt she will have this "spontaneous Fire Death" stuff happening to her tablet -- a simple replacement by me due to "poor battery life" is a much more likely occurrence. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 10/13/19 at 22:18:18 https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/hardware/sifive-ceo-says-risc-v-servers-are-five-years-away This is a small update on RISC-V, MIPS and ARM with the first two items being Open Source Open License items and the last item ARM being under the gun a bit from the first two. MIPS should be now referred to now as "part of" RISC-V as it is being absorbed (the good parts anyway) into the RISC-V group very quickly. ARM Holdings is feeling a good bit under the gun right now and is changing its license terms to allow their customers to modify ARM standard code and to keep the modifications private. You still have to pay big bucks to use the "tested and approved" basic ARM designs as the basis for your custom tuned stuff, but you ONLY HAVE TO PAY THE MONEY TO ARM AFTER YOU SHIP YOUR PRODUCTS. Folks say this is really "no real net change" for how Samsung and Qualcomm have been doing it for years now. The folks with the technical chops to change standard ARM designs in a beneficial way are really kinda scarce, really. In any case, what ARM has done just now comes across as as "10 dollars too little and a week too late" to slow the RISC-V momentum that has already occurred. ARM is right now losing market share on many of their smaller support function chips to free RISC 5 designs and that has to hurt ARM's bottom line in a widespread diffuse manner in 2020. Article by Data Center Knowledge RISC-V, the open source processor instruction set architecture (ISA) has been quickly gaining support from companies making chips for embedded devices, and is going to power servers as soon as five years from now. That's according to Naveed Sherwani, CEO of SiFive, the company founded by three of RISC-V's original developers that's been a primary mover behind the ISA. Its development and market momentum have been picking up so quickly, that Sherwani has had to adjust his projections for when the architecture would hit some big milestones, he told Data Center Knowledge in a recent interview. Last year Naveed Sherwani used to say he "thought that cellphones are five years away and servers are 10 years away, now he would say that now that cellphones and laptops are two years away, and servers are five years away," . "That is how much it has changed in the last year. I think that is the miracle that is happening in RISC-V, that every month I have to pull in my targets." Betting on the open source architecture, several big vendors have begun backing the four-year-old SiFive, most recently Qualcomm. In early June, the startup SiFive announced a $65.4 million Series D funding round led by existing investors Sutter Hill Ventures, Chengwei Capital, Spark Capital, Osage University Partners, and Huami, a smart-wearables company. Coming onboard as a first-time investor was Qualcomm Ventures, the chip giant's venture capital arm. The round brought total investment in SiFive to date to more than $125 million. In April 2018, Western Digital became an investor, at the same time announcing plans to use RISC-V silicon exclusively in future products. Memory-chip maker Hynix is also an investor. Sherwani said investment by silicon vendors wasn't accidental but part of SiFive's game plan. According to him, the chip industry has been responsible for half the money the company has raised since he's come onboard. "It is important that we show our customers worldwide that some of the top companies, like Qualcomm, are not only putting money into us, but they are also using our technology," he said. Qualcomm "is going to help us develop the technology in the wireless and mobile areas, which are areas that we are not in right now. That is very significant -- both the investment and also that we will be working with them to develop the mobile and wireless areas." SiFive produces design templates that can be modified to meet specific product needs and provides hand-holding and expertise to help customers bring their designs to market. It was the first company to produce a chip implementing the open source ISA and is a founding member of the RISC-V Foundation, the architecture's nonprofit booster organization. Speaking more in general terms ...... On a rapid development path, RISC-V is quickly picking up market share in areas where it already has a toehold, according to Sherwani. "It's many people's opinion that in a matter of a year or so, RISC-V will be the only architecture in the embedded space," he said. "It is sweeping all the other architectures out. It is very simple, it's easy, it is scalable, and it is open source, so a lot of software development is moving very rapidly in that direction." |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 10/14/19 at 02:53:06 https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Ultimate-Core-i7-1065G7-and-Ryzen-7-3700U-2700U-CineBench-comparison-How-does-Intel-Ice-Lake-hold-up-against-15-other-AMD-Ryzen-laptops.438947.0.html There is a BIG whopping graph on this one, I can't put it in the list text box at all and there is no net reference to give you as it is a text based graph being generated off a database. You just got to click on the red address link to go there and take a look at it. https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Ultimate-Core-i7-1065G7-and-Ryzen-7-3700U-2700U-CineBench-comparison-How-does-Intel-Ice-Lake-hold-up-against-15-other-AMD-Ryzen-laptops.438947.0.html The first Ice Lake laptops are finally on store shelves just as Intel had promised back in CES 2019. Dell, HP, and even Razer have all begun shipping their respective premier models each equipped with the 15 W or 25 W 10th gen Core i7-1065G7 designed to replace the last generation Whiskey Lake-U Core i7-8565U and compete directly with the mobile AMD Ryzen U series. I have said repeatedly that Intel lies a lot, claiming loudly to have made a lot of progress when they actually have NOTHING REAL that is good to show you. Notebook Check has left the ranks of paid Intel puppets now, they have posted an honest review of the two new "10nm" Intel all in one Laptop Processors, the 15 watt and the 25 watt versions. What do you need to look carefully at the big graph to see ...... you look to see how Intel only ranks their processors from a cold dead start and the Intel BIOS built into the chipset runs them full out until thermal limits are hit then the BIOS THROTTLES ITSELF very strongly, down to a MUCH SLOWER rate that the chipset can actually support for more than a minute. The AMD horizontal blue circles (second line from the top) are what you should really focus upon. Also ignore the fact that Intel won't compare itself to current just released AMD processors, but insists on comparing back at least one generation ---- even using these dirty trick AMD's old stuff still outperforms Intel once the magic minute has passed and everyone is running at steady state. So, Intel has built a gimmick into their heat controlling BIOS to allow them to show a false performance advantage over their competitors that is pretty much meaningless in the real world that you actually live in once that magic minute is past. What is now true (and is making Intel quail in their boots at the moment) is that the new Gen 3 AMD stuff coming out now (that was just announced yesterday) picks up enough throughput advantage to make up even a bigger steady state lead, and on top of that it picks up a solid 20% speed upper that makes the Intel cheat "magic minute" hump at the very first pretty much flush with AMD even in the first few seconds of heat build up. I find it refreshing to have computing magazines are showing the public all of this stuff openly instead of just hiding it like they used to. This goes a long way towards explaining how the Intel press says Intel is "so much better than AMD" yet the impartial folks like Tom's Hardware and ArsTechnica consistently say something quite different. =================================================== In line with this Intel 10nm "false performance advantage" folding up under impartial scrutiny, there are now rumors flying around that Intel's main builder/customers don't want anything to do with this very very expensive yet half arsed all over again Intel 10nm. 14nm gives the same performance and costs a LOT less ....... Now Intel has supposedly had to drop all their rapid expansion plans to go across the board with their version of 10nm because it simply doesn't offer any real advantage over the current Intel 14nm and Intel 10nm certainly is no competition to anything built by AMD and accordingly at this stage of things none of the Intel builders want any part of it. This article says it will be year 2022 before you see anything that is functionally better than the Intel 14nm stuff out of Intel. https://www.tweaktown.com/news/68127/intel-cancels-10nm-desktop-14nm-hold-until-2022/index.html Loud screams coming from Intel today tend to say there is a little fire burning over there underneath that dense Intel smoke screen ..... and Intel's hand is being held in that fire by their own builders. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-yes-there-will-be-10nm-desktop-cpus ...... and yes, Intel has admitted to Tom's that they have both low yield and low performance issues yet to overcome with their 10nm products. Tom's Hardware is quoting inside sources that say that widespread Intel 10nm will likely be delayed until sometimes in 2021 which smells like 10nm will never arrive as Intel will have real 7nm production by that time off their new 7nm equipment that they just ordered and that will be delivered and hooked up and up and running by 2021. Me, I say Intel lies a lot, and spending your time paying attention to what Intel says right now is really kinda futile ...... just watch what they really do. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 10/15/19 at 05:01:42 https://www.techradar.com/news/intel-plans-to-outmuscle-amd-with-dollar3-billion-worth-of-cpu-price-cuts-rumor-claims OK, Intel is hollering in pain again, something about a hand caught in a fire and in all the screaming and hollering something real may have crept out in all the crying and blubbering Intel is doing at the moment. Just like how they spent 10 billion dollars trying to take over cell phone processors, Intel is now going to try to BUY a place in Consumer and Mainframe computing by "price supporting" their goods using the mucho dinero bucks they got from their massive price gouging efforts these past few years ...... Intel may be looking to combine the effects of price cuts – which it is definitely making in some measure, as we’ve mentioned – with any strain on the 7nm stock supply that AMD may experience due to the 7nm shortage, because the latter is another potentially key factor in how the CPU wars will play out. We’ve already seen Ryzen chips struggling to meet demand levels at the high-end, and with rumors flying around of more 7nm shortages that are coming – issues compounded by the popularity of the iPhone 11 – Intel may be hoping to land a telling double blow on pricing and supply here. Although ultimately, at least in the short-term, downward pressure on the prices of CPUs will be no bad thing for consumers, of course. The long-term competitiveness of the processor market might be another matter, though, if AMD begins to get outmuscled in this kind of fashion. In short, look out for the Intel Black Bag of tricks to make a re-appearance, similar to the nasty stuff that Intel did to Qualcomm two years ago when rumor has it that Intel supposedly may have arranged for a hostile take over attempt to be made by a third party. AMD is simply doing too good of a job at 7nm, and Intel is caught with their hand in the fire and Intel is now gonna get all nasty on AMD at this point in time because it is their last recourse. AMD's best move is to move VERY QUICKLY down to 5nm and fully utilize the TSMC 15 layer burn technologies just as soon as TSMC has it available for them to use. Hanging around at the same lithography level that Intel is moving into isn't the smartest place to be ..... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 10/19/19 at 21:49:31 AMD is rolling into the ...... F U T U R E ...... while Intel stays stuck 2-3 generations in the past. In the last week Intel has come up a crapper with their brown vapor 10nm across the board plans again, and Intel has run out their 7nm plans into 2022 for their 7nm implementations. This puts Intel firmly 2-3 multiple generations stuck in the past again while phones and Android march quickly into the future, with AMD going along with them instead of with Intel. Ask Global Foundry what happens when you follow Intel's lead instead of Android's -- oh, that's right, Global Foundry only took a big 2 years of stagnation to become totally passe' and to drop away from all relevance. Now you can buy parts of Global if you want them, the Arab owners have it all for sale now. AMD's next Gen 3 design for 2020 is in the can now at a 20% throughput and 10% speed improvement and production has already begun on it. Intel cannot even start to compete with this even using their largest mainframe chipsets run up in over-voltage speed using all the overclocking tricks the gamer - hobby boys have built up over the years. Watch the 16 core Ryzen announcements for the first fruits of AMD Gen 3 --- the new test results are coming in as we speak. AMD Gen 4 is 80% design complete at first early production level of 5nm (15 burn levels) using 5 new production lines that TSMC has already contracted with ASML to purchase. First lines have been contracted and are being built now. This rolls into place in 2021. Apple is footing the bill for the first new TSMC 5nm lithography lines as they are wont to do as they WANT and NEED that critical 1-2 years worth of tech edge over everybody else. AMD Gen 5 is also under early design using the very newest ASML scanners that are being designed for Apple and TSMC which will be 5nm with 24 burn levels instead of just 15 burn levels. This is planned for 2022-2023 and AMD has their two leapfrogging design groups functionally keeping the AMD improvement pace up there at an Intel crushing level. There are prototype 3nm ASML high energy scanners being designed and built, Apple wants them ready for 3-4 years from now and we all know that Apple generally gets what they want since they are paying for it. AMD will have a design team working on that as soon as the specs become known. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 10/20/19 at 06:55:10 https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/18/intel/ Folks in England and Europe sometimes see through the smoke screens better than the American Tech Press allow us to do. There's still no light at the end of the tunnel for PC makers as Intel's CPU production constraint – a problem that showed up in anger 13 months ago – is on course to continue for another couple of quarters. At the start of the year, Intel claimed its chip supply drought would end by the summer but it continues to drag on as Chipzilla switches fabs from 14nm to 10nm, and Chipzilla prioritises production of higher-margin Xeons and top-end Core products to use all the capacity they still have. This has shunted PCs to the back of the queue. More on that later. Talking at the Canalys Channels Forum in Barcelona, Alex Cho, president of HP's Personal Systems Business, claimed Intel's supply worries were across a portfolio of products, "not just specific CPUs". He added: "No surprise that it's been a hard year, it makes life more complex and expect it to continue for another quarter or two." At the same event in the Catalonian capital, Gianfranco Lanci, chief operating officer at Lenovo, branded the lack of chips as a "concern" and a "limitation", saying the global PC market shipments could have grown at 7 to 8 per cent in Q3 if availability had improved, rather than the 4 per cent recorded. He said Lenovo has been told repeatedly, presumably by Intel account managers, that supply would improve but quarter-on-quarter that has yet to happen, leading him to speculate on the causes. There are two possibilities, according to Lanci: production issues, though he said Intel should have rectified this by now, or a "problem with the architecture of the CPU. If this is the problem, it is unpredictable." Steve Brazier, CEO at Canalys, said the "short answer is that we don't know [what is causing Intel's shortages]. And they are not telling anybody, so nobody completely knows why. All we can do is speculate that they made a serious software design flaw." He added: "The interesting thing is the big PC builders and value-added vendors do not know either, they have no better information than we have. There is no sign of a short-term fix." In the same article, the Europeans were asked about AMD and what they see out of AMD's new generations as they come up on their radar screen. Of course, this has played into the hands of Intel nemesis AMD, which Brazier claimed was "now equal or ahead in performance – and it's cheaper". Cho at HP said: "The AMD portfolio has improved. They've made good progress on the performance of their products, AMD is a viable alternative for our customers." Looking into the crystal ball, these same sources were asked for "What will be the conclusion of this long term Intel shortage situation?". Supply chain sources close to the matter said Intel is retooling factories for 10nm and 7nm processes so Intel has fewer remaining 14nm fabs making processors. PC CPU shortages are compounded by Intel prioritising supply for higher-margin Xeon chips for hyperscale cloud builders and server makers. The 10nm rollout delays have ensured Intel plants have been out of commission for longer than planned. We are also told that organisations, including financial institutions and cloud providers, are replacing the current Intel chips with better performing AMD based ones that have Meltdown and Spectre fixes built in. During this protracted delay period AMD is not standing still ---- Intel may complete their belated 10nm push and find that they come out of the gate again they are BEHIND AMD ALL OVER AGAIN, having wasted billions and billions of dollars putting in their "state of the art" 10nm Intel processes. ::) |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 10/21/19 at 07:35:34 Now that this information about the Intel Magic Minute is out there, do you think the British and the Europeans will be buying AMD or Intel processors next year? Americans, held captive by their tech press may never know about this. Hint: Look at the second line on the chart, this is the straight un-degraded blue AMD circles line and then look at all the rest of the dog-legged Intel lines on the page that show the strongly degraded performance that happens so strongly at the end of the Intel Magic Minute. It also shows the LARGE DECEPTION that Intel has been pushing on the American people for years now. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 10/23/19 at 15:17:16 https://seekingalpha.com/article/4298039-intels-10nm-process-bust I covered all this stuff as it happened and I predicted that the Financial folks would be hard on Intel for FAILING MISERABLY and then lying about it and getting caught at all that lying yet again too. Amazing, how well I can pick 'em, ain't it?: Intel is very obviously having difficulties scaling its 10nm process and every day the company puts into trying to boost yields is another day it falls behind AMD's 7nm chips. At a certain point, the effort might not be worth it if Intel believes its 7nm process can be reliably rolled out in 2022. Additionally, Intel has been able to squeeze improvements out of its current process to make 14nm+ and 14nm++ relatively competitive, so perhaps the company would be content to rely on those improved nodes and maybe cede a bit of market share in order to avoid sinking costs into a 10nm process that might never come to fruition. On the other hand, Intel has already likely spent billions attempting to scale 10nm and for them throw in the towel and remain on the same node size for seven years (!) until 7nm would be problematic for multiple reasons: 1) It would signal to the market that the company's 7nm process might be plagued by the same issues that plagued its 10nm process, which were never resolved. 2) It would essentially forfeit the desktop CPU market to AMD for 2-3 years while Intel futilely attempts to enhance its 14nm process (14nm+++++++ anyone?) to compete with the significantly higher densities of TSMC's 7nm and 7nm+ processes. 3) It would harm Intel's mind share and brand by essentially admitting that whatever manufacturing lead or prestige the company once had is now gone. One could argue the current sad state of 10nm has already proved this, but skipping a node entirely would confirm it beyond the shadow of a doubt in the minds of consumers and likely for enterprise customers as well. Personally, I think the veracity of the rumor is not nearly as important as the situation it highlights. What I mean by that is a little-known German website is claiming Intel's 10nm CPUs for desktop are cancelled - an entire generation of chips, cancelled - and the nearly half-decade delay of those chips, with no end in sight, might actually bear that claim out! I think the most likely outcome will be that Intel does capitulate on full-fledged 10nm and instead continues to eke out performance gains in its 14nm process (sort of like 10nm-lite) and hopes its market share doesn't crater before 7nm arrives in 2022. This would represent a golden opportunity for AMD to press the issue by ramping up marketing and keeping prices competitive in order to take a chunk out of Intel's market share. From a big picture perspective, I think we are seeing Intel fall deeper and deeper into the hole that AMD avoided when it went fabless a decade ago. Of course, there are benefits to having a completely integrated supply chain, but as Intel is now experiencing, there are potentially crushing costs as well. I think AMD's Zen 2 design is a great analogy for the supply chain of the two companies. While Intel stuck with a monolithic die, which hinders yields, AMD elected to go with a multi-chip module (MCM) design which improves overall yields and is a great demonstration that an entirely integrated chip isn't always better. In the same vein, Intel stuck with its fully-integrated supply chain while AMD saw the writing on the wall and went lean and modular. http://https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2019/10/21/saupload_Intel-Roadmap-640x388.jpg Okay, now that we've discussed the technology issues at hand, how should investors view this situation? Read on! Investor Takeaway The growing process lead AMD is developing over Intel should be cause for significant concern to INTC shareholders. This article has primarily focused on the desktop CPU market, but AMD is waging a successful battle in the server market as well, also due in part to TSMC's manufacturing expertise. Further, no one can be sure whether Intel will be able to execute on nodes going forward. Typically, chip design and manufacturing gets more difficult at smaller scales, so if Intel hasn't been able to nail down 10nm yet (and possibly won't be able to nail it down at all) why should investors believe that 7nm will be any different? To make matters worse, the foundry side of the supply chain will continue to be a cost anchor going forward. I admit I'm not overly familiar with the viability of Intel going fabless, but at this point, it might be something for the company to at least consider. Back to reality, even if Intel does manage to scale 7nm by 2022, that would still leave it behind TSMC, which has already started test production of 5nm and expects volume production sometime in 2020, which may be optimistic but is still better than 2022. As the process advantage, and therefore the probable performance advantage, shifts to AMD, I think we'll continue to see the gap in market share between the two companies narrow in both desktop and server markets. AMD already offers an equal or better value proposition due to selling its products at competitive price points, but armed with equal or better performance to boot, Intel will be hard-pressed to make the case to consumers and enterprise customers that "Intel Inside" is still the best route. What will happen ....... Intel has circa 50 billion invested in 10nm by now in total (counting all three times they rolled lines over to yet another failed crop of 10nm production equipment). The stuff they are using now "for 10nm" is their original 7nm process equipment (which never worked right either). That was another 30 million down the tubes that was spent for the 7nm stuff ...... and I am losing count of the different ways and all the billions Intel has wasted trying to do it their way. Intel supposedly has another wave of brand new 7nm production lines on order (from ASML this time instead of making them up themselves). These ASML lines are about a year and a half out from volume production as of this week. Hopefully, these are really 5nm twin scan lines that may be actually useful for something by the time they are installed, and that is IF Intel can design a chip to use the 24 layer deep burn technology without stubbing their toe on it all over again. AMD is launching their first 5nm production products from TSMC this Christmas Time. AMD is technically already running some 6nm 5 layer products already at Samsung as we speak. By Christmas, Intel will be 3-4 lithography generations behind AMD depending on how you want to count all the layers of behind that Intel really is. Right now Intel is STILL only doing one layer lithography. AMD is already doing 5 layers and getting ready to crank up to 14 layers and by the end of next year will be using brand new 5nm 24 layer "deep burn" technologies. ::) |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 10/26/19 at 09:37:11 https://www.tweaktown.com/news/68409/new-intel-10980xe-review-shows-amd-ryzen-9-3900x-actually-stomp/index.html https://www.techpowerup.com/260317/amd-ryzen-9-3950x-beats-intel-core-i9-10980xe-by-24-in-3dmark-physics AMD's upcoming Ryzen 9 3950X socket AM4 processor beats Intel's flagship 18-core processor, the Core i9-10980XE, by a staggering 24 percent at 3DMark Physics, according to a PC Perspective report citing TUM_APISAK. The 3950X is a 16-core/32-thread processor that's drop-in compatible with any motherboard that can run the Ryzen 9 3900X. The Intel i9-10980XE is an 18-core/36-thread HEDT chip that enjoys double the memory bus width as the AMD chip, and is based on Intel's "Cascade Lake-X" silicon. The AMD processor isn't at a tangible clock-speed advantage. The 3950X has a maximum boost frequency of 4.70 GHz, while the i9-10980XE isn't much behind, at 4.60 GHz, but things differ with all-core boost. When paired with 16 GB of dual-channel DDR4-3200 memory, the Ryzen 9 3950X powered machine scores 32,082 points in the CPU-intensive physics tests of 3DMark. In comparison, the Intel i9-10980XE, paired with 32 GB of quad-channel DDR4-2667 memory, scores just 25,838 points as mentioned by PC Perspective. Graphics card is irrelevant to this test. It's pertinent to note here that the 3DMark physics test scales across practically any number of CPU cores/threads, and the AMD processor could be benefiting from a higher all-core boost frequency than the Intel chip. Although AMD doesn't mention a number in its specifications, the 3950X is expected to have an all-core boost frequency that's north of 4.00 GHz, as its 12-core sibling, the 3900X, already offers 4.20 GHz all-core. In contrast, the i9-10980XE has an all-core boost frequency of 3.80 GHz. This difference in boost frequency, apparently, even negates the additional 2 cores and 4 threads that the Intel chip enjoys, in what is yet another example of AMD having caught up with Intel in the IPC game. Intel's hot new thing has shipped, and has gotten trashed by the PC press for being "just more old slow stuff" in reality. Intel wants a primo price tag for this just released "super processor", but respected independent test houses are showing that the plain Jane standard Ryzen chipsets outperform it using HALF the amount of memory the new Intel processor requires just to run right. Paying for just the expensive Intel systems mainframe style memory at 2x the amount Ryzen requires costs as much as AMD charges for the faster chip they can provide along with the standard memory needed to drive it. With $$$ change left over ..... Throw in paying over twice as much for the slower Intel processor on top of paying 2x for the pricier mainframe memory, well that is one really really out of line marketing ploy you got there, Intel. Does Intel think everybody in computer land is just "dumb" on top of "stupid" or what ????? |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 10/27/19 at 11:41:09 https://www.cnx-software.com/2019/10/26/sifive-u8-series-out-of-order-risc-v-core-ip-takes-on-arm-cortex-a72-core/ http://https://www.cnx-software.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/U54-vs-U74-vs-U84.jpg I like fast improving stuff, I like it even better if it is Open Source fast improving stuff. Risc-V is Open Source and it is improving by leaps and bounds, lapping up on ARM not more than a year back now. The current Risc-V processor is an out of order processor that can do disruptive stuff faster than it can do in order operations --- this heavy and quite early out of order optimization is quite powerful and potentially very disruptive to the existing players like ARM. Look at the graph again, that is a 7.2x improvement in only half a calendar year. What sorts of stuff will Risc-V be good for inside another full year from now? Yes, ARM Holdings is acting quite scared at the moment as the amount of money and effort that are currently flowing into the Risc-V space is quite scary for a stodgy older established company like ARM, especially with the Chinese hockey stick boys now kicking in with their fast moving attitudes. :-? ..... from the bottom upwards, Risc-V is going to erode 50% of ARM's market share next year. Qualcomm and Huawei are not blind to this situation, see both of them put out a Risc-V based unit of some sort or another by 2020 year's end. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 10/28/19 at 09:06:13 https://wccftech.com/europeans-are-leaving-the-intel-train-to-find-the-joys-of-amd/ Intel is having a rough year in Europe. This late spring Intel got hit with a 1.4 Billion EU fine from the EU for engaging in monopolistic practices, Intel was binding the major PC houses to only be able to use "Intel Inside" illegally. The implementation deadlines from this decree start to arrive on November 1, 2019 ..... ALL of Intel's illegal "exclusivity deals" in Europe are hereby cancelled by EU decree. AS SUCH, expect Intel's market share losses to accelerate and the prices of Intel based units to do a sharp uptick as all the illegal deals must end ...... You can also mark a upshift in AMD based units for sale all over the world as their presence protects Intel from further heavy EU type fines and legal actions. AMD has been using Intel's product shortages and the recently enforced EU decree to further its hold on the desktop market. AMD has been showing off the performance increase between their Ryzen CPU generations and any Intel products and also how available these AMD CPUs are. This had led to most manufactures switching from Intel-based devices to improved AMD based devices on at least a part of their portfolio. One example of this is the Microsoft Surface 3 being powered by AMD's Ryzen series processor, rather than an Intel processor. AMD's greatest growth market was in the retail division, where its overall increase in shipments went from 11% to 18%. More business-orientated PCs are starting to reflect the decrease in Intel CPU stock, by using AMD CPUs as a replacement, the prime example of this would be the Microsoft Surface 3 which prominently in the marketing show the AMD logo and design. Many European manufacturers started to notice the Intel shortage since the EU fines and decrees have landed and have added an AMD option to their product lines such as these first products: HP Chromebook 14 While the AMD option isn't the cheapest option, it is the second cheapest only costing an extra $10 more than the cheapest but coming with an extra 16GB eMMC storage. HP Chromebook 14A G5 Acer Nitro 5 While some models do offer an Intel processor, there are other options that show a Ryzen 5 3550H & Ryzen 7 3750H processors. Acer - Nitro 5 15.6" Gaming Laptop HP Envy X360 - 15Z This comes with a Ryzen 5 processor, Radeon Vega 8 Graphics, 8GB memory, and 256GB SSD storage. The specs are good for the cost of $799.99 HP ENVY x360 Laptop - 15z These are just some of the currently out laptops and devices that have shifted to be able to use AMD CPUs -- usually translating to a lower overall cost to the end-user and/or more features packed into the device itself. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 10/28/19 at 09:28:01 Why is 5nm is going to ramp so much faster than the previous tech waves. Why is 5nm is going to wipe out the latter stages and modes of 7nm (starting like right now as a matter of fact). Both of these situations spring from COST and speed considerations involving the use of production masks. 7nm, even the latter stages require expensive production masks to be built for the ever more complex chipsets. Getting these masks built right and making all those replacement masks on a steady basis is a time and productivity killer par excellence. Masks at the finer levels have short service lives and have an allocated cost up near a million dollars each to develop and make. 5nm "direct deep burn" does not need near as many masks, in some cases none at all. See everybody buying up ASML 5nm twin scan units just as fast as they can be built, because using production masks really is an expensive pain in the arse to keep up with. ::) News Flash: TSMC has just broken ground on their 19.2 billion dollar 3nm production facility that will be ready to roll in 2022-23. Intel should be worried all over again ...... 3nm is direct deep burn all at 24 levels from the get go. Somehow I think Intel's much delayed 7nm really isn't going to compete well against TSMC 3nm, no matter how many billions Intel throws at their 7nm at this late stage of things. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 10/31/19 at 15:12:26 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/10/intels-10nm-process-is-on-track-so-is-shift-in-business-model/ http://https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/redefining-intel-inside.png Intel claims 10nm yields are "ahead of expectations" even before bringing the 10nm fab in Arizona online. .....odd, nobody else seems to think this "10nm is ahead of expectations" is even slightly real. Nor do they think that Intel's recently watered down 10nm is in any way shape form or fashion the equivalent of TSMC 7nm +++ which is what is currently shipping world-wide from all other vendors. And compared to the current 5nm shipping that has started shipping now from TSMC in increasing volumes, Intel 10nm is a 11nm sized joke, one that really isn't all that funny. Intel's years-long struggle with the 10nm manufacturing process may finally be over. At least Intel says it is, anyway. The company told investors last week that its 10nm yields are ahead of expectations for both client and data center products—and it's bringing a new 10nm production facility online, as well. Currently, all 10nm parts are produced in two of the company's plants: Hillsboro, Oregon, and Kiryat Gat, Israel. But beginning next quarter, Intel's fabrication facility in Chandler, Arizona, will also be producing 10nm parts. What we find more interesting than the 10nm recovery is that Intel still seems to be very serious about pivoting away from being a CPU company. Since 1991, the iconic "Intel Inside" logo has referred to the CPU in your computer, but the company sees more potential in investments in storage, software, networking, AI, and the data center. This certainly doesn't mean Intel plans to exit the consumer and server CPU business, but it does herald a large shift in the company's overall focus. The company estimates the TAM—Total Addressable Market, or the maximum revenue if literally every potential customer bought an Intel product—of its traditional PC and server CPU line at $52 billion. However, it sees an additional $220 billion TAM potential in what it calls "Data-centric" products in data center, Internet of Things, and networking market segments. This means the company intends to continue making its heaviest bets in areas such as Optane storage, hardware Artificial Intelligence acceleration, 5G modems, data center networking, and more. The slide that really drives this commitment home comes from Q2's investor meeting that explicitly shows the company moving from a "protect and defend" strategy to a growth strategy. If this slide were in a sales meeting, it wouldn't say much—but delivered to the company's investors, it gains a bit of gravitas. Most of this was revealed nearly six months ago at the company's May 2019 investor's meeting, but the Q3 investor's meeting last week continues with and strengthens this story for Intel's future growth, with slides more focused on Optane, network, and IoT/Edge market growth than with the traditional PC and server market. The company shows its new "data-centric" market as having already caught up with its traditional PC-centric market, with almost 50% of its Q3 revenue derived from data-centric products. The majority of the operating income (roughly speaking, profit) returns from those products is outpacing the traditional market as well. We can confirm that Intel's change in focus seems sincere, based on what the company wants most to talk to Ars about. The company does still want to talk about CPUs, but there's an increasing pressure for coverage of its AI, networking, and even software efforts as the company shifts footing. We believe that this change in focus is likely a good one for consumers, assuming Intel finds the market growth it's looking for in new segments. With higher growth and margins in newer ventures, consumers can hope that Intel will make good on its stated intent to relax its protectionist stance in the CPU market along the way. What we really see is Intel pivoting away from CPUs as a corporate focus again, similar to what they did 3 years ago when their game plans all crumbled into dust and INTEL HAD NO FUTURE PATHWAY TO SHOW ANYBODY. Believe me, saying you are "going into 7nm inside two years" when everybody else will be switching from 5nm down to 3nm is in essence saying you have no future pathway at all. And I find it completely absurd that Intel is trotting out the same tired crap about moving into Internet of Things and Data Processing "to fuel their future growth" ---- did they just copy an old tired slide deck from 2016 and show it all over again? Are Intel investors really that stupid? And saying that growth will come from Optane, that is sick, Intel --- Optane is so failed and broken that the business partner that used to drive it for you quit on you cold a half a year ago because you NEVER PAID THEM for the stuff you ordered to be built. And listing 5G modems as a future path is simply absurd, you sold that business to Apple last quarter, remember? Intel has no plan. Intel has no valid future pathway. Intel has only brown vapor and smoke. Intel Investors beware ...... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 11/01/19 at 08:04:02 https://liliputing.com/2019/11/google-is-buying-fitbit-for-2-1-billion-promises-google-made-wearables.html http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/fitbit_02.jpg?w=506&ssl=1 Meanwhile, Google has bought Foss and Fitbit each for some relatively small amounts of money. Google now owns the original base patents for all wrist mounted fitness devices (that are also watches, btw). Google also writes the code that runs them all, so this could mean a lot to that corner of computing. Google is also a key member of the Risc-V consortium. Google isn't giving out any stupid bogus roadmaps, they are simply going about executing their game plans. Google already seamlessly stuff runs on Risc-V, ARM, AMD, Intel ..... Google/Android/Linux is the operating systems vendor of the future. Now do you see why Microsoft is so hot to "go Linux" for whole chunks of its operating system's guts ???? =================================================== The rumors were true. Google has announced plans to acquire Fitbit in a deal valued at $2.1 billion. Fitbit is a 12-year-old company that currently dominates the wearable activity tracker space, but which has struggled to move beyond fitness devices. Google, meanwhile, has been developing software for wearables for the past five years… but the company’s Wear OS has a pretty small market share and Google has yet to release its own first-party smartwatch or other wearable device. It looks like that will change after the acquisition is complete — Google says it views the Fitbit deal as “an opportunity to invest even more in Wear OS as well as introduce Made by Google wearable devices into the market” (emphasis added). Both Google and Fitbit note that one concern some folks might have about the acquisition is a key difference between Fitbit and Google’s business models — Google makes much of its money through targeted advertising. Fitbit does not. So Fitbit’s press release includes the following language: Fitbit will continue to put users in control of their data and will remain transparent about the data it collects and why. The company never sells personal information, and Fitbit health and wellness data will not be used for Google ads. While a blog post from Google VP Rick Osterloh claims that: Similar to our other products, with wearables, we will be transparent about the data we collect and why. We will never sell personal information to anyone. Fitbit health and wellness data will not be used for Google ads. And we will give Fitbit users the choice to review, move, or delete their data. One thing that’s not clearly spelled out is what the acquisition means for the Fitbit brand — will we see new Fitbit-branded hardware in the future? Or is the current line of Fitbit-branded devices the last, with new Google-branded hardware coming in the future? And what about existing customers? Will your current Fitbit smartwatch or fitness tracker continue working indefinitely? Will you eventually have to pair it with a new Google app to sync data rather than the existing Fitbit app? I suspect we’ll hear a lot more about Google and Fitbit’s plans in the coming months and years. But for now there are still a lot of unanswered questions. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 11/02/19 at 10:17:51 https://www.anandtech.com/show/15036/sifive-announces-first-riscv-ooo-cpu-core-the-u8series-processor-ip In the last few year’s we’ve seen an increasing amount of talk about RISC-V and it becoming real competitor to the Arm in the embedded market. Indeed, we’ve seen a lot of vendors make the switch from licensing Arm’s architecture and IP designs to the open-source RISC-V architecture and either licensed or custom-made IP based on the ISA. While many vendors do choose to design their own microarchitectures to replace Arm-based microcontroller designs in their products, things get a little bit more complicated once you scale up in performance. It’s here where SiFive comes into play as a RISC-V IP vendor offering more complex designs for companies to license – essentially a similar business model to Arm’s – just that it’s based on the new open ISA. Today’s announcement marks a milestone in SiFive’s IP offering as the company is revealing its first ever out-of-order CPU microarchitecture, promising a significant performance jump over existing RISC-V cores, and offering competitive PPA metrics compared to Arm’s products. We’ll be taking a look at the microarchitecture of the new U8 Series CPU and how it’s built and what it promises to deliver. http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15036/SiFive_Media_PreBrief_4_575px.jpg quadrivial - Wednesday, October 30, 2019 from the comments section Most cellphones sold today are still using 4 or 8 A53 cores. A Risc-V core that gets better performance than this in less die area is sure to attract some notice. More to the point, my raspberry pi 4 with 4x A72@1.5GHz along with a crappy SD card and 4GB of slow, single-Lane RAM is almost fast enough for daily use doing normal consumer things and light software development. 4 of these cores at almost twice the speed paired with slightly better IO and RAM is probably all the "computing power" most people really need. Eight (8) of these Risc-V cores pared with some decent modern I/O and a solid state hard drive would make up a very solid player in the low end PC space. Ditto for a very decent low to midrange cell phone. =================================================== The next Risc-V generation after this one will be very very interesting, needless to say. Quadrivial's thoughts in the comments are spot on --- ARM is getting lapped by Risc-V on the little end, both for current draw and output compute power. I too currently own a phone with 8 little A-53 ARM cores in it that could see potential replacement by such a Risc-V device (or a follow up generation). |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 11/05/19 at 18:01:45 OK, a really smart guy who works in Open Source has just released a generic Bios driver for the Ryzen 3000 8 plus core AMD chipsets (8, 12, 16, 18, 24, 32 cores) that increases the chip throughput by roughly 20%. It re-balances power usage too, giving a 10% reduction on post throttle watts of power draw to still have that 20% throughput increase. The guy who did this has offered it to AMD to include in the official formal BIOS updates should they wish to incorporate it (or parts of it) into AMD's formal offerings. Throw these two things together and you are talking what ....... a freebee 25% improvement on steady state running that can be back-loaded into existing two year old chipsets? amazing stuff, open source AMD is aware of this sort of stuff, they are aware of the untapped 25% improvement that it entails. AMD has already recently offered two BIOS updates through the board vendors that improved performance on core scheduling and improved their therm-reduced clock speed to the tune of 10-15% so AMD is not against upping the BIOS baselines having done it themselves twice already since releasing the 2nd generation Ryzen chipsets. I suspect a series of life tests are required on this because thermal related life span can be hurt by pushing the chipsets too too far. Expect this sort of stuff to come out in the new 3rd generation chipsets before being back released into the 2nd generation. Sitting on it completely isn't a good idea unless AMD wants to have Open Source to be putting out a competing "improved BIOS" not under their control, so I expect the man did his approach correctly and it will be thoroughly tested and pushed out by AMD and the board vendors as part of "AMD approved updates". ;) |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 11/06/19 at 23:51:37 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-vs-intel-cpu-market-share-7nm-makes-landfall-as-price-war-begins More bad news for Intel Mercury Research, a CPU market analyst firm, released its market share report today, which highlights AMD's recent gains against Intel. The report highlights that AMD grew in all segments, including desktop PCs, mobile, server, and the overall x86 market, fueled by the rise of AMD's Ryzen 3000 processors that offer a more advanced manufacturing process than Intel's 14nm chips. That affords density, power, performance, and pricing advantages. AMD's is primarily using competitive pricing as the crowbar to pry its way back into the market, particularly as its stoic rival has remained firm with its own pricing. But Intel's inaction on the pricing front came to an end last month. Intel responded to AMD's Ryzen 3000 lineup by slashing gen-on-gen pricing for its Cascade Lake-X refresh processors in half, a practice the company has avoided in the past to preserve the value of its previous-gen processors, not to mention brand equity. Those cuts are even coming to previous-gen models, too. Intel's price cuts are the opening salvo of what is now a price war between the bitter rivals, and it appears that Intel is digging in its heels for a protracted battle. In either case, AMD now has 15.8% of the client market, and 14.6% of the overall x86 market. That's a year-over-year increase of 4.2 and 4 percentage points, respectively. Thoughts: It appears that AMD is heading in the right direction on all fronts, but Intel's dominant market position makes for slow progress. In the near term, Intel is ready to exploit its advantage of incumbency and sheer scale to slow AMD's progress, but it appears Intel's strategy is to use price cuts rather than innovative new products. We'll have to wait until next year to see the fruits of Intel's Comet Lake labors, but they largely look to be yet another iteration of the 14nm Skylake architecture, albeit with a few extra cores at the top of the stack and Hyper-Threading interspersed throughout. Without significant price cuts, that likely isn't enough to hold AMD back from stealing significantly more market share in the DIY and enthusiast markets. AMD's EPYC Rome is also slowly gaining steam, and while it isn't a critical selling point for the client market, Intel's lack of PCIe 4.0 support is impossible to ignore for many high-performance applications, like in the supercomputing and HPC space. Systems with PCIe 3.0 will be obsolete long before their expected shelf life of three-to-five years due to the now-bottlenecked interface. That's why we see AMD nearly running the table in HPC and supercomputer wins. All of this means we can expect some drastic price adjustments to Intel's forthcoming flagship server chips, too. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 11/13/19 at 06:25:29 https://liliputing.com/2019/11/intel-insecurity-update-new-vulnerabilities-disclosed-and-likely-to-keep-popping-up.html Info is from the New York Times, Wired and Hacker News. Text is copied from Liliputing.com and the wording is from Brad Linder Intel insecurity update: new vulnerabilities disclosed… and likely to keep popping up It’s been almost two years since the Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities affecting Intel processors and some other chips were revealed. Since then Intel has released a number of security patches meant to mitigate the effect of those vulnerabilities and the chip maker says its latest processors include hardware-based mitigations. But similar vulnerabilities keep popping up, and there’s mounting evidence that the issue isn’t going to be easy to fix without completely redesigning the way modern processors work. This week security researchers revealed a set of previously undisclosed vulnerabilities affecting Intel chips — and also pointed out that some of Intel’s previous “fixes” didn’t address all known issues at the time. The researchers say that when Intel released a set of mitigations in May, 2019 to address the RIDL vulnerability, the update was only a partial fix. Computers with the latest security updates were still vulnerable to certain types of known vulnerabilities which could allow an attacker to access protected data. Intel had asked the team to hold off on disclosing the vulnerability until security patches were available — but after finding that Intel continued to claim that its latest updates were adequate, this week the researchers decided to call out Intel for over-promising the effectiveness of its security updates. At issue are side-channel attacks that take advantage of a chip feature called speculative execution. In a nutshell, many modern processors make an educated guess about some of the things they’re going to need to do, and do them ahead of time… even before you explicitly ask them to do that work. Side-channel attacks allow data that’s being processed or stored in this way to be accessed. One solution is to simply disable speculative execution altogether. But that would have a dramatic impact on performance in some situations — effectively erasing years of progress in making computer processors work more quickly. So rather than address the root causes, Intel has been working on patches to address specific side-channel vulnerabilities as they’re discovered/disclosed. If that seems like an uphill battle, that’s because it is… and there’s always the chance that some black hat hackers will discover a vulnerability that Intel isn’t aware of and exploit it before a patch can be made available. So maybe insecurity from Intel is the new normal. What Brad said --- Intel won't try to fix any of it really because Intel CANNOT slow their processing down any further while fighting in a cage death match with AMD over processor speed and throughput. Intel is flat running out of brown vapor and lies on this topic. Intel has to slow their stuff down 20-30% to properly and correctly mitigate what is already known for their real, in the wild right now speculative processing bugs. And Intel has chosen NOT to done so ..... they would rather you run at risk to known issues that exist in the wild right now. And Intel has lied a bunch about all the rest of their "corrections" to date. Intel has lied a bunch on a lot of topics currently, ran a bunch of intentionally misleading or flat out false metrics and is generally being held liable in Class Action courtrooms for the damages created by doing this sort of stuff, too. Intel is BROKEN right now, and they can't (or won't) get up ...... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 11/14/19 at 13:07:43 https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/13/20962667/intel-processor-security-vulnerabilities-researchers-disclosure Intel is still struggling with the truth about its processor security flaws Intel claimed issues were fixed, but they weren’t Intel revealed a new set of security problems with its processors earlier this year, and issued fixes to resolve them. While the chip maker may have implied the problems were solved, that couldn’t be further from the truth. The New York Times reports that the fixes earlier this year only patched some of the security vulnerabilities that researches had discovered. In a darning report, The New York Times interviewed key security researchers who discovered the latest round of processor vulnerabilities. Dutch researchers at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam first reported a range of security issues to Intel back in September 2018, and Intel patched some of the problems in May. Intel issued another round of security updates earlier this week, but problems still exist. These researchers have kept quiet about the issues for eight months, providing Intel vital time to develop fixes. Intel even asked the security researchers to alter a paper they were planning to present, after it was clear the chip maker needed more time and it didn’t want the flaws to become public knowledge. In advance of Intel’s latest patches, released on Tuesday, the company was notified of more unfixed flaws and asked researchers to once again stay silent, but they’ve refused. These security researches have now revealed that Intel didn’t properly test vital proof-of-concept code that was provided back in September 2018, and that the company is not fixing the root of the problem. Intel sent The Verge the following statement: "We are committed to addressing security vulnerabilities affecting our customers and providing responsible guidance on the solution, impact, severity and mitigation. We have been very public about how we handle disclosures, including our strong belief in the value of coordinated disclosure (see https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/corporate-responsibility/product-security.html). We take seriously all potential security vulnerabilities whether they are found internally or externally, and actively collaborate with all parties to ensure mitigations are in place before public disclosure." At the heart of these issues are the Meltdown and Spectre vulnerabilities that were originally discovered in processors in January 2018. When these were first disclosed, researchers warned that variants and other consequences of the bug would appear for years to come. Intel isn’t fixing the core problem in existing processors, which would mean a redesign, instead it’s an endless game of whack-a-mole to patch each variant that pops up. The bigger issue is still that Intel lacks transparency over these processor issues. The company tried to downplay the problems early on, with confusing and carefully worded statements. We’re now approaching two years since these key processor flaws were discovered, and Intel is still misleading its customers over the status of fixes. “There are tons of vulnerabilities still left, we are sure,” says Herbert Bos, a professor at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam, in an interview with The New York Times. “And they don’t intend to do proper security engineering until their reputation is at stake.” Translation of Intel's statement "We actively collaborate with all parties to ensure mitigations are in place before public disclosure." means we stall like hell for as long as possible and then spray squid ink all over the place to disguise the fact we are really just stalling, we have NO REAL INTENTION OF FIXING ANYTHING BECAUSE IT WOULD SLOW OUR PROCESSORS DOWN and we really can't afford to do that. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 11/14/19 at 13:16:22 https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/technology/intel-chip-fix.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur Intel Fixes a Security Flaw It Said Was Repaired 6 Months Ago http://https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/11/12/business/12chipflaw/merlin_164153382_c278c9c7-5452-4bb2-9892-57bdf97e04e5-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=we The research team at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam included, from left, Herbert Bos, Cristiano Giuffrida, Sebastian Österlund, Pietro Frigo, Alyssa Milburn and Kaveh Razavi. Stephan van Schaik is not pictured. Last May, when Intel released a patch for a group of security vulnerabilities researchers had found in the company’s computer processors, Intel implied that all the problems were solved. But that wasn’t entirely true, according to Dutch researchers at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam who discovered the vulnerabilities and first reported them to the tech giant in September 2018. The software patch meant to fix the processor problem addressed only some of the issues the researchers had found. It would be another six months before a second patch, publicly disclosed by the company on Tuesday, would fix all of the vulnerabilities Intel indicated were fixed in May, the researchers said in a recent interview. The public message from Intel was “everything is fixed,” said Cristiano Giuffrida, a professor of computer science at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam and one of the researchers who reported the vulnerabilities. “And we knew that was not accurate.” The Intel flaws, like other high-profile vulnerabilities the computer security community has recently discovered in computer chips, allowed an attacker to extract passwords, encryption keys and other sensitive data from processors in desktop computers, laptops and cloud-computing servers. The claims made by the researchers are indicative of the tensions between tech companies and the security experts who routinely scour their products, looking for flaws that make systems vulnerable to attacks. While many researchers give companies time to fix problems before the researchers disclose them publicly, the tech firms can be slow to patch the flaws and attempt to muzzle researchers who want to inform the public about the security issues. Researchers often agree to disclose vulnerabilities privately to tech companies and stay quiet about them until the company can release a patch. Typically, the researchers and companies coordinate on a public announcement of the fix. But the Dutch researchers say Intel has been abusing the process. Now the Dutch researchers claim Intel is doing the same thing again. They said the new patch issued on Tuesday still doesn’t fix another flaw they provided Intel in May. Intel acknowledged that the May patch did not fix everything the researchers submitted, nor does Tuesday’s fix. But they “greatly reduce” the risk of attack, said Leigh Rosenwald, a spokeswoman for the company. While not directly addressing some of the complaints from the researchers, Ms. Rosenwald said Intel was publishing a timeline with Tuesday’s patch for the sake of transparency. “This is not something that is normal practice of ours, but we realized this is a complicated issue. We definitely want to be transparent about that,” she said. “While we may not agree with some of the assertions made by the researchers, those disagreements aside, we value our relationship with them.” The Dutch researchers had remained quiet for eight months about the problems they had discovered while Intel worked on the fix it released in May. Then when Intel realized the patch didn’t fix everything and asked them to remain quiet six more months, it also requested that the researchers alter a paper they had planned to present at a security conference to remove any mention of the unpatched vulnerabilities, they said. The researchers said they reluctantly agreed to comply because they didn’t want the flaws to become public knowledge without a fix. “We had to redact the paper to cover for them so the world would not see how vulnerable things are,” said Kaveh Razavi, also a professor of computer science at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam and part of the group that reported the vulnerabilities. ImageThe research team at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam included, from left, Herbert Bos, Cristiano Giuffrida, Sebastian Österlund, Pietro Frigo, Alyssa Milburn and Kaveh Razavi. Stephan van Schaik is not pictured. The research team at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam included, from left, Herbert Bos, Cristiano Giuffrida, Sebastian Österlund, Pietro Frigo, Alyssa Milburn and Kaveh Razavi. Stephan van Schaik is not pictured.Credit...Jasper Juinen for The New York Times After they notified Intel about the unfixed flaws in advance of Tuesday’s patch release, the company asked the researchers to remain silent until it could produce another patch, the researchers said. But this time they refused. “We think it’s time to simply tell the world that even now Intel hasn’t fixed the problem,” said Herbert Bos, a colleague of Mr. Giuffrida and Mr. Razavi at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam. The initial vulnerabilities were discovered in part by the university’s VUSec group, which includes Mr. Giuffrida, Mr. Bos and Mr. Razavi as well as four of their graduate students: Stephan van Schaik, Alyssa Milburn, Sebastian Österlund and Pietro Frigo. A second group of researchers at the University of Graz in Austria independently discovered some of the same issues and reported those to Intel in April. All of the vulnerabilities stem from a single issue with the way Intel processors handle data. To save time, the processors perform certain functions they anticipate they will need to perform, and store the processed data. If the function is aborted and the data isn’t needed, it remains in the system for a brief period. The vulnerabilities would let someone extract the data while it’s being processed or while in storage. Each of the variants the researchers discovered provides another way for attackers to extract the data. “There’s one real problem and then there are many variants,” Mr. Bos said. When Intel released the fixes in May, it classified the problems as “low to medium severity.” The researchers said the company paid them a bounty of $120,000 for discovering and reporting the vulnerabilities — a common reward for pointing out problems but a high sum for bugs that would be considered low-to-medium severity. When the researchers reported their first vulnerabilities to Intel in September 2018, they provided proof-of-concept exploits — malicious code showing how each vulnerability could be successfully attacked. Intel’s security response team worked for the next eight months to verify the findings and develop a patch, scheduled to be released on May 14. Four days before the release, however, when the company provided the researchers with details of the fix, the researchers quickly realized that the patch didn’t address all of the vulnerabilities. Intel’s engineers had overlooked some of the proof-of-concept exploits the researchers had provided. But the researchers said that even without seeing the exploits, Intel should have been able to uncover the additional vulnerabilities on their own. The researchers said Intel had chosen an ineffective way to address its chip vulnerabilities. Rather than fix the core issue, which would possibly require redesigning the processor, it has patched each variant as it is discovered. “There are tons of vulnerabilities still left, we are sure,” Mr. Bos said. “And they don’t intend to do proper security engineering until their reputation is at stake.” Whenever a new class of vulnerability is discovered, it is standard practice for engineers fixing the code to search for additional instances of the problem beyond what is known and reported. None of the attack variants the Dutch researchers gave Intel were fundamentally different from the ones Intel did patch, so Intel should have been able to extrapolate and find the others on their own, the researchers argued. “Many of the attacks they missed were a few lines of code different from the others. Sometimes a single line of code,” Mr. Giuffrida said. “The implication of this is of course worrisome. It means until we give them all possible variations of the problem, they won’t actually fix the problem.” The company has addressed the core problem through hardware fixes in some of its chips and will do similar fixes to other chips, Intel’s Ms. Rosenwald said. Despite the gag on the researchers, discussion about the vulnerabilities began to leak. The information was passed around so loosely that eventually it came back to the researchers. “More and more people knew about this vulnerability to the point that it actually circled back to us,” Mr. Bos said. “So they provide an illusion that they have this whole disclosure process under control. But it’s not controlled at all; it’s leaking.” All of this meant that while the researchers kept mum, others who wanted to exploit the vulnerabilities could potentially have learned about them. “Anybody can weaponize this. And it’s worse if you don’t actually go public, because there will be people who can use this against users who are not actually protected,” Mr. Razavi said. Intel is in essence attempting to pay these security hole researchers to keep mum and to let Intel stall stall stall and stall some more ..... while Intel does nothing and people lose their data in large numbers. This group got sick of it and blew the whistle on Intel. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 11/17/19 at 23:00:41 Google Android is in real danger from Huawei's just shipped Harmony OS actually splitting Android Driven by the trade war restrictions and refusing to say they will ever stop stealing western tech from the USA companies that invented it, Huawei is now moving to split Android by releasing their new Harmony OS. This seems to be a harsh analysis, but it is what Huawei is busy doing. This is not illegal if you wait for the open source version to come out and you fork a version of that ---- several companies (Amazon for instance) have done this on their own and are making a fair success at it. Amazon is the largest to fork open source Android to date and all Amazon is doing is using the released open source Android code which is two to four years past current at any given point in time. However, Huawei is taking the current proprietary Android version and scrubbing off all the Google serial numbers, keeping clear of any distinctly "identifiable" Google features and kludging together a Huawei variant of the same functions that fits into the hole left by the Google features. Once again, Huawei is simply stealing an American company's current technology illegally. This will be called Harmony OS ..... Beijing doesn't care --- they like sticking a thumb into Trump's eye because there is nothing that Trump can really do about it beyond what he has already done. Here is why Huawei may do more damage than the rest --- Huawei is the dominant phone supplier in the world right now and they are totally backed by the Beijing government. Huawei will sell more phones next year than Samsung will, all of them stuffed with their stolen OS system. I now regret that Motorola got sold by Google to Lenovo now because if Lenovo chooses to put Huawei's stolen OS system into their Android phones then the MAJORITY of new phones made for next year will be using the stolen Huawei OS. This will mean another entire American industry completely lost to the Chinese. :P =================================================== Follow ups published over the next 4 days show that several large US Tech suppliers stand to lose over half their market share due to Trump's trade war. Decisions by Beijing to dump TONS of Chinese resources (100,000 software engineers, supposedly) into a new phone OS development program means that even Microsoft now considers themselves and Google to be at strong risk of being "greatly damaged by the current Trade War" since they constituted the leading edge of the wedge Trump was using to move the Chinese away from their ongoing tech stealing ways. In the last 3 days, the Chinese verbiage has change tone from regretful to a defiant "screw you, you will regret taking this step". Sad thing is they are likely correct. Historically, the fastest moving & growing simply leave the stagnant ones behind --- that is how this always works out. Chinese business ethics are quite different from Western ethics, period. It is a fact, get used to it. This is not the first time Chinese companies have stolen a new tech using embedded spies located deep down inside the American companies. Then, simply because they move a lot faster the Chinese beat the slower American firm to the greater marketplace (China and India) with that new tech (all the while actually claiming the American tech as "their innovation" simply because they got to the marketplace with it first). >:( |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 11/19/19 at 11:39:02 https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-3-new-cpu-architecture-significant-ipc-gains-higher-clocks/ AMD Confirms Zen 3 Brings Entirely Brand New CPU Architecture, Delivers Significant IPC Gains, Faster Clocks & Higher Core Counts http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/next-horizon-zen2-logo-740x456.png I am going to list the announcement and just hit the very largest points of the stuff that will become real by the middle of next year when Milan (Zen 3) arrives using the last, most improved and fastest possible 7nm TSMC processes. After that, we will drop down to 5nm in 2021 and that will be yet another massive improvement level. AMD is redoing their entire architecture intentionally using only the most modern standards and totally abandoning all hints of the malfunctioning buggy attack vector ridden "predictive" stuff that has eaten Intel alive over the last few years. As such, what AMD improvements get promised should actually arrive pretty much intact, unlike Intel which promises you will get A, but instead you really get D after the predictive bugs mitigations are all rung in (and the processor actually warms up to the real operating temperature after the Magic Minute is over). |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 11/22/19 at 01:02:04 https://www.seegerweiss.com/defective-products/intel-chip-security-flaw-lawsuit/ OK, it was timely that AMD went on record saying their Mattisse generation of chipsets (coming out next summer) completely moves away (architecturally and structurally) from all of Intel's speculative execution garbage. Why? Because Intel couldn't really fix their bugs like they tried to tell the American people they had done. By court order, the Seegerweiss law firm of Oregon is consolidating all of the many many many separate lawsuits on record in Oregon into one (1) comprehensive judgement and awards "coordinated settlement". What this is saying is the court itself already acknowledges that YOU HAVE BEEN DAMAGED and that Intel has been lying to folks ongoing for years now while continuing to push out the same defective "at risk" chipsets since 1995, with all this very intentional lying and misrepresentation constituting "actionable fraud" that deserves a financial settlement. Now do you begin to get a grip on why Intel is now talking about pivoting away from the CPU business? I suspect that Intel may soon break itself up into sub-companies, into separate pieces intentionally allocating out the corporate resources such that only one piece of the new Intel bears the burden of the class action settlement and that one piece can go bankrupt fairly quickly and minimize the payout of all of the rest of the company's resources. Yep, that sounds like Intel all over, doesn't it? Millions Affected Virtually every device sold since 1995 may be affected, including computers, laptops, servers, tablets, and smartphones, from all manufacturers and using almost any operating system. This affects millions of consumers, including individuals, businesses and organizations of all sizes, academic institutions, financial institutions, hospitals and healthcare providers, government departments and agencies, and other consumers throughout the U.S. Unprecedented in scope, this is considered one of the worst and most widespread design flaws ever found, expected to affect untold millions of users. Consumers collectively paid billions of dollars for Intel’s defective 86-64x CPUs, which the company touted as premium products using breakthrough technology, featuring unmatched performance and security. Shockingly, it is also possible that Intel either knew or had reason to believe that a security defect existed in its CPUs for months or even years before disclosing the fact to consumers, thereby defrauding them as well as willfully exposing them to a multitude of risks and injuries, considering computers’ widespread and diverse use. Lawsuit Claims The litigation against Intel claims that its processing chips were defective and inferior products that lacked the quality and capability it continuously represented in its sales and marketing materials. As such, Intel violated state deceptive trade practice statutes and warranty and tort laws by making and selling them. Plaintiffs’ claims include breach of warranty and implied warranty, violations of state consumer protection laws, fraud and fraudulent concealment, negligence, restitution, and unjust enrichment. The case is In re Intel Corp. CPU Marketing, Sales Practices and Products Liability Litigation, MDL No. 2828 (D. Oregon). |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 11/23/19 at 02:09:04 SUMMARY Intel has lost a lot of market share to AMD in all segments -- yearly losses that are generally running 15% of what market share Intel held 2 years ago, lost completely year on year totaling up to around 20-30% of the whole shebang at this point in time. Intel has completed their loss of the technical crown in the Computer industry. Intel is being sued with HUGE class action suits over how they have done business in years past. Judgements are rolling in that Intel has used false advertising & bad metrics to defraud the purchasing public. Intel is getting sued so strongly now that the ongoing existence of the company in its present form is now coming into doubt. Intel is being fined huge fines by the EU for these same activities, most specifically for locking AMD out by restrictive agreements with the machine builders which were clearly "actions in restraint of free trade". Intel does not currently have a single chipset that can beat AMD's 16 core consumer Ryzen chipset that AMD came out with a week ago. Not in consumer, not in "gaming centric", not in High Performance Computing, not even in single socket mainframe computing ..... this single fact is completely damming for Intel and marks a major turning point against Intel. Intel does not have a single mainframe double socket chipset that can beat the new currently shipping 32-64 core Threadripper chipsets. Intel is back to being production constrained again, and Intel is needing EVEN MORE wafer area to lay down the even yet larger chipsets that AMD's competition actions are requiring them to build. All of Intel's technical crowns are gone now.[/highlight] All Intel can do is make some very dubious claims that are getting deflated immediately by the computer press. Intel really does not have a future pathway they can show anybody that gets within 3 years of being competitive/current again. Cost-wise, AMD is still offering twice the computing power at half the cost that Intel can provide (taking a broad brush to the entire thing). http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/Screenshot_at_2019-10-21_10-29-56_001.png Look at the graph, the graph says it all. Intel's real performance of current Intel processors after the Magic Minute of warm up time simply isn't competitive at all any more. The graph also delineates just how much Intel will lie to you ongoing in their advertising and their testing / performance reporting. Looks like about a 25% general "fraudulent performance promise" that may be being made by Intel across many of their processors. And for this "Intel Inside" you are paying at least double the price, and in mainframe cases quadruple to quintuple times more money for competitive performance that simply really isn't there (and has not been there for a while now). |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 11/26/19 at 09:07:12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuaiqcjf0bs it is a video, you got to click on it to watch it Folks, did I mention that some of Intel's oldest and very best fans are the ones that are now the most upset with Intel coming across with all the Weasel-worded Chicken-shite marketing on their newest new 10nm products? Note please, "when the boost window expires" means when the Magic Minute ends ....... I never really understood this was actually a very severe illicit Intel BIOS overclocking that was done very intentionally by Intel ---- a very severe temporary overclocking that is only safe to do when the chipset is STONE COLD when you first turn it on. Originally, I thought the Intel Magic Minute was just the BIOS overheat protection swinging into motion, but oh no, it was FAR MORE than that. Remember, Intel rates and ranks their chipsets off this Magic Minute BS so they can claim to be competitive when in actuality they are ~25% worse off than that ..... then you have to add the mitigation slowdowns on top of that ~25% worse off than that with the net being ~30%. I agree with Linus ----- Intel sucks ditch water and is really acting deceptive as hell right now. Question of the hour is now changing to ---- can AMD and TSMC ramp up 5nm fast enough AND LARGE ENOUGH to supply the global need for CPU chipsets? This is being aggravated by Intel's current total failure to make 10nm work in consumer chipsets in any PC meaningful fashion. Indeed, as of this past week Intel's current 10nm efforts still have the lower post Magic Minute & post mitigation throughput of 14nm units of two-four years ago . Intel is losing out on the false claims based on their Magic Minute dodge as that dodge is getting called out now by MOST of the decent independent reviewers as their own credibility is now on the line now too. Look to see the EU fine Intel again QUITE LARGELY yet again because of the Magic Minute fiasco as this BS is the same sort of thing in essence as earlier EU fine items and Intel had simply shifted their "shifty-ness" to somewhere else and tried to call it a "test standard". http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/Screenshot_at_2019-10-21_10-29-56_001.png |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 11/28/19 at 01:13:05 In response to Trump locking down all American technology, the Risc-V Standards Group is leaving American soil by the end of December to go live in Switzerland. I am serious and this is important as other technical standards groups will have to do the same thing to keep the current administration from weaponizing them in their trade war efforts. What this sort of activity will do to America is long term worse than the illness Trump is attempting to fix. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 12/06/19 at 10:10:40 https://liliputing.com/2019/12/huaweis-arm-based-chips-could-be-coming-to-desktop-pcs.html http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/kunpeng_01.jpg?w=387&ssl=1 Trump has motivated Huawei and the Chinese government to get serious about making up their own chipsets. This is not good for American business or American companies, as American companies are losing 1/5 of the market instantly and also picking up a resolute fast reacting competitor who will kick their asses within a calendar year from now in the Chinese market (with more countries starting the year after that). This is the 8 core PC version of the Huawei phone chipset that the Chinese are selling domestically right now. Huawei also has a 64 core version for mainframe uses. Do you begin to get a read on what I mean by "getting serious"? Much lower cost Risc-V versions are now promised for a year from now, and this is VERY BAD for American Industry as Risc-V comes from Sweden now, not the USA. We can't cut Huawei off from Risc-V anything, in other words. ARM is invoking its British/Japanese origins and is closing/de-emphasizing their American design centers. http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/kunpeng_02.jpg?w=580&ssl=1 Update on 12/9/19: China issues a national proclamation that all "foreign software and hardware" inside China will be torn out and replaced with "verified" Chinese domestic software and hardware inside of 5 years time, with 30% to be done inside year one, 30% in year two and the remainder by the end of year 3. Guys with rifles will come to enforce the new proclamation. This is not the first time China has done this, China actually build a Linux implementation off an old AMD chipset base and China put that in place in their military (for security reasons) about 7 years ago. It was sorely out of date by the time 3 years had passed. Expect something similar to happen to this one -- except since China has gotten pretty good at stealing tech from all around the world so they can steal enough keep more current now. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 12/07/19 at 10:15:58 https://wccftech.com/intel-ceo-beyond-cpu-7nm-more/ Intel CEO Bob Swan spoke at the annual Credit Suisse technology conference this week. These are Bob's words. "We think about having 30% share in a $230 [silicon] TAM that we think is going to grow to $300B [silicon] TAM over the next 4 years, and frankly, I'm trying to destroy the thinking about having 90% CPU share inside our company because, I think it limits our thinking, I think we miss technology transitions. we miss opportunities because we're, in some ways pre-occupied with protecting that 90%, instead of seeing a much bigger market with much more innovation going on, both Inside our four walls, and outside our four walls, so we come to work in the morning with a 30% share, with every expectation over the next several years, that we will play a larger and larger role in our customers success, and that doesn't mean just a CPU. It means GPUs, it means Al, it does mean FPGAs, it means bringing these technologies together so we're solving customers' problems. So, we're looking at a company with roughly 30% share in a $288 silicon TAM, not CPU TAM but silicon TAM. We look at the investments we've been making over the last several years in these kind of key technology inflections: 5G At autonomous, acquisitions, including Altera, that we think is more and more relevant both in the cloud but also ai the network and at the edge, and we see a much bigger opportunity, and our expectations are that we're going to gain our fair share at that much larger TAM by Investing in these key technology inflections." - Intel CEO Bob Swan http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/8bc0dae3a9717c41be0acae62c4d03bc-410x308.jpg Read the article, the reporters actually got Bob Swan to respond on how Intel lost their technical leadership, how Intel blew off 25% of their CPU market share inside of 12 months, why Intel is having to put even yet more old 22nm chipsets back into their prime time processor line ups and WHY 10NM STILL HASN'T MATERIALIZED AFTER 5 YEARS OF PROMISES. There is some plain BS inside some of Bob's answers --- no, phone modems are not going to help save the company, you finished that sale to Apple 3 weeks ago and it and any revenue you might have gotten from phone modems are GONE at this point in time. And buying a bunch of modems from Mediatek and reselling them after re-stenciling them isn't fooling anybody either, Bob. And Bob, Optane isn't an answer to anything that is about being competitive today --- Optane memory is more expensive, hot running, is still sorta slow for the price you are asking for it and is still limited to "main drive assist" functions in PC space. Saying you are going to bet the company on rolling away from CPUs into support items like Modems and Optane is really really really smelling like more stinky brown vapor, Bob. Just simply say you don't have a viable plan to share at this point in time and then shut up and face forward with your hands on the wheel and bravely go down with your sinking ship. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 12/07/19 at 17:53:29 In the last month we see Huawei and Amazon both cranking up 32+ core ARM server chipsets and to start selling them widely, we see AMD showing complete across the line game plans at 1 year, 3 years and 7 years --- plans that show a clear future pathway (with a history of following these plans that Intel cannot show at all right now). We see Huawei making up and showing a home PC version of this same ARM based technology. Qualcomm is already doing this trick successfully, and will do more of it as they design some even stronger chipsets next year. Watch Risc-V roll into this realm next year, as it is a clearly cheaper path to follow and with Trump's trade war out of the picture Risc-V may become a preferred technology very quickly. We see TSMC building enough new raw plant capacity to build out all of these massive expansion plans (a new 3nm building and yet another 5nm building, etc) giving TSMC enough real capacity to REPLACE Intel's current CPU production volume. Because of the better 5nm Twinscan production equipment, 5nm has hit the ground running with BETTER YIELDS than 7nm right off the bat. That efficiency translates into faster response times and lowered cost, BTW. 5nm is going to ramp up faster than any level has ever done before, ever. Multi-level 5nm direct burn lithography already has yield rates that are better than early 7nm ever got up to. Update Prediction: 5nm at 14 layers or better will be in full production by 2nd quarter's end, 2020. We see Intel failing in their own plans to upgrade their own internal manufacturing capacity and Intel having to bring back several more 22nm processors back into their product line up just to make up the production gaps short term. Watch this Intel "roll back to 22nm" trend play on out, Intel isn't going to stop with 2-3 chipsets, they will do more especially since their 22nm runs about as fast as their 14nm and 10nm really do if you factor out all the Magic Minute BS games that Intel has been playing. Intel cannot make their already sold shipments, so they are substituting 22nm chipsets for their desperate customers who simply have to have something to sell for Christmas ........ |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 12/08/19 at 08:56:15 https://wccftech.com/intel-market-9th-gen-core-i3-i5-cpus-better-than-3rd-gen-amd-ryzen/ Intel Markets Core i5-9600KF 6 Core CPU As Better Than AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 8 Core CPU in China, Compares Core i3-9100F To Ryzen 5 3500X http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-6-Core-7nm-Zen-2-CPU-Benchmarks-Leak_1-740x282.png This is a good one just to simply read direct from the source material. With Intel's CEO's voice still echoing that it is OK for Intel not to be #1 or #2, but that #3 to #4 really is a good place for Intel to be right now ........ we have an Intel China marketing organization suddenly releasing a completely fraudulent set of biased benchmarks, "tests" that try to show that the current Intel China's daughter board disaster is in any way competitive, much less world beating even when compared to an older AMD match up partner. Read it, and realize that the days of Intel lying like this and getting a free pass by the computing press are over. Wccftech.com took the tests Intel's oriental marketing folks said that they had done, did them for real and RANKED the results. Reality looks like this ........ an impartial listing of "the best of the best" in each market segment without Intel forcing any strange match ups that don't match up very well at all. You will notice AMD clearly leads in each category, and without jumping categories Intel leads in NOTHING any longer. (get used to it Intel fanboys, it only gets worse next year) http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/AMD-Ryzen-Threadripper-3rd-Gen-3970X-3960X_1.jpg Following at the end of this article is a viewer poll that flat asks "Do you believe in Intel's marketing of their 9th Gen Core CPUs versus AMD's 3rd Gen Ryzen lineup?". The poll response was 95% against believing Intel's marketing people and only 5% for believing Intel's marketing people. Intel's CEO needs to tell his marketing people to QUIT EMBARRASSING HIM with all the bullshite PR metrics because they are simply killing Intel's public image as a trustworthy supplier. And for Intel to try to say that TSMC's 14 layer deep burn early 5nm is equivalent to Intel's completely unknown and totally unseen 7nm is of course completely fictional and quite absurd on the face of it. The only multi-layer technology that Intel has ever shown anywhere up until now are stacked up whole chipsets (a la Fovoros) a very clumsy and overly expensive technology that cannot compete in the real world by any means. Unless ........... Unless Intel is actually admitting that their very best most modern chipsets coming out later next year are actually going to be built by TSMC at 5nm ........ :o ....... nah, Intel isn't that smart ....... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 12/09/19 at 05:38:49 https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-claims-that-i3-9350K-is-faster-than-the-entire-Ryzen-lineup-in-fresh-PR-slipup.446651.0.html This is a second independent source confirmation of the Intel bogus marketing PR claims of two days ago. Intel claims that i3-9350K is faster than the entire Ryzen 5 lineup in fresh PR slip up Intel's Asia Pacific marketing team claimed in China that the Intel Core i3-9350K is faster than the entire Ryzen 5 lineup. Is this a simple PR mixup or a sign of worse to come as Intel faces eroding market share, securities issues, and a supply shortage? Dogged by controversy after controversy, Intel's Asia Pacific marketing division recently slipped up again. WCCFTech reports that, during a Chinese presentation, Intel claimed that the six-core i5-9600KF is faster than AMD's 8-core, 16-thread Ryzen 7 3800X. They then went on to compare the quad-core i3-9100F with the 6-core 3500X. This wasn't the most controversial slide in the presentation though. On one particular slide, they claimed that the i3 9350K was faster than the entire Ryzen 5 product stack at gaming, office work, content creation, and other uses. This is factually inaccurate, something borne out in our Ryzen 3700X review. The arrival of Ryzen has eroded Intel's dominant market position considerably. Moreover, a range of issues from security vulnerabilities to a severe supply shortage for 14nm silicon have seen the company cede further ground. Inaccurate Intel marketing claims, especially those that can be easily fact-checked, do little to improve this situation. It is factually accurate that many mainstream Intel processors still outdo their Ryzen counterparts in gaming only workloads. This is why the i7-9700K remains such an excellent choice for high-end gaming builds. We would hope that future messaging focuses more on Intel's real strengths to draw in new consumers instead of making broad claims that are not verifiable in fact. Ooops, "harsh reality" caught up with Intel gaming like 3 months ago, and did it again last month at yer another show. Intel no longer rules in gaming, period. What we have here is Intel pushing forth some Ice Lake 10nm sample run laptop parts in a time span where they can say the AMD competition is an older generation 12-14nm product. Can Notebookcheck say that in a very narrow slice of the last year's models notebook space that they constantly monitor that this statement of theirs is still true? Sure, you can slice things up using the older laptop models as finely as you wish, but using a broad current paint brush across laptop and destop Intel loses on this claim to fame as of 2020 too. ================================================== Overall yields on TSMC 5nm just went past 80% yesterday. Much of this improved yield comes from the new 14 layer 5nm process being just about 100% all direct burn (no production masks are needed). TSMC 5nm It is 30% faster, uses 40% less battery life, uses 20% less wafer area, and is much faster to run in production and TSMC 5nm also is ramping up a lot faster compared to TSMC 7nm. For Intel to try to claim their Intel 7nm will be the equivalent of TSMC 5nm in any form or fashion is downright laughable, so far Intel isn't even doing "same silicon" multi-layering any at all. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 12/13/19 at 10:49:10 One area where Intel still can do better than AMD apparently is LAPTOPS. This last bastion of Intel excellence is due to AMD sandbagging and not bringing forth their latest laptop chipsets and by doing so allowing Intel to ring in their Ice Lake line up unopposed by the proper current AMD hardware. Intel spotted this window between AMD roll outs and slotted themselves into it very neatly -- Good Job, Intel. By rolling Intel's latest and greatest into a slot where they were "competing against" two year old AMD processors Intel scored themselves a win. Intel's move was well timed and well done if you take the stance that Intel can put forth a non-production (too new to be real yet) pair of chipsets on a daughter board intentionally positioning themselves against an out of production, one generation back & scheduled to be replaced AMD all-in-one laptop chipset. What Intel has actually done is to prompt AMD to come out with their subsequent generation's chipsets a part of a year early to the existing AMD sandbagging plan. Sounds like Intel is actually trying to move somewhat faster now and that old slackadasical AMD roll out plan needs to be revisited some. AMD's 7nm all-in-one generation may come out still in 3 months, but only as a very short lived generation. Expect AMD to move the 5nm all-in-one generation up a slot and come out with it in fourth quarter 2020. Thank the nice boys at Intel for setting off your alarm clock for you, AMD ..... you apparently needed the wake up call. AMD, move up your 14 level direct burn 5nm all-in-one laptop processor line to the second half of this upcoming year and clean Intel's laptop clock for them, scrub them up real real good with the lye soap and that vigorous stiff bristle brush action ....... |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 12/15/19 at 12:11:03 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/leaked-intel-six-core-cpu-reveals-a-new-architecture-coming-soon Leaked Intel Six Core CPU Reveals a New Architecture Coming Soon http://https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/W2o8wqpfxkAaoMt4NZCsE7-650-80.jpg You wade through the article, which one by one removes each and every known potential future CPU family and you are left with just a smelly eddy of brown Intel PR vapor slowly dissipating in the air. A classical Intel "fake news" item, in other words. Overall, it's hard to make any firm conclusions based on this result. The possibilities are many and the evidence is very very thin. The one certainty is that this CPU is not a Skylake derivative. What isn't certain is whether or not this is 14nm Rocket Lake with a backported core, 10nm Tiger Lake for desktop, or something else totally different, like Ice Lake for server. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by jcstokes on 12/15/19 at 13:27:37 OF, having read your previous post, would there be much harm in buying an Intel type lap top or is Intel really that much better than AMD for someone who just messes about on the web? could any relatively modern lap top run on Linux.? |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 12/15/19 at 17:35:34 JC, They will all run Linux. Intel's only laptop claim to fame right now is based upon the slotting of a vague vapory "future" type of Intel processor in between the very solid generations of AMD processors. A very momentary advantage that Intel will hoot over and brag about quite a lot over the next few months, actually, until AMD scrubs it away with their next generation of units. If you buy the Intel type because of the price, make sure it is a really good price and not something you will regret buying a year from now. I myself do buy Intel processors (inside whole machines actually) that are very well used (about 10 years old) because the $75.00 whole unit price is about right to me. Linux Mint Mate does not require state of the art hardware to run like a scalded dog. Like most of us, I use the Intel based Linux Mint machines to browse the web, watch video and movies and to play games (and other similar very light type items that I otherwise would do on my ARM based cell phone). I don't buy MS OS machines except incidentally, I always buy my machines with the intent to load Linux Mint on them as the main OS. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Eegore on 12/15/19 at 23:10:58 I'd say for "Messing around on the web" any modern processor will do now. If you plan on running programs like modern games, photo-video editing software to make long videos etc. you will need some processing power. I could be wrong but given people use things like a Kindle, their TV, their Wrist watch etc. to surf the web now I don't think there's a lot out there that will bog down a processor that's been made in the past 8 years. Am I missing something? |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 12/16/19 at 13:58:28 No, not really. If you use a good Linux like Mint Mate 19.2 you will get good performance out of older hardware that will not be degraded by Intel mitigations to the point the whole thing gets sluggish. My $17.99 solid state SSD boot drive speedup put me back in the game for another few years at least, so I am good where I am equipment-wise. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 12/18/19 at 13:21:47 https://liliputing.com/2019/12/28-amd-renoir-chips-leaked-zen-2-processors-radeon-vega-graphics-15-to-65-watts.html Remember me saying these words last week? And I was also predicting this was going to prompt AMD to come out with all the chipsets they had been sitting on (sandbagging with them) because Intel simply had no competition to offer at that time and AMD was going to use the slack time wisely to move some more existing old inventory out of their pipelines at full price? "One area where Intel still can do better than AMD apparently is LAPTOPS. This last bastion of Intel excellence is due to AMD sandbagging and not bringing forth their latest laptop chipsets and by doing so allowing Intel to ring in their Ice Lake line up unopposed by the proper current AMD hardware. Intel spotted this window between AMD roll outs and slotted themselves into it very neatly -- Good Job, Intel. By rolling Intel's latest and greatest into a slot where they were "competing against" two year old AMD processors Intel has scored themselves a win." Well, that was last week ---- this week AMD has brought out 28 new 7nm laptop processors with Radeon graphics built into them. Of this 28 at least six to eight are the more powerful low end desktop grade products intended to fill in the "expensive professional laptop" niches. AMD’s next-gen line of 7nm Ryzen processors with integrated Radeon Vega graphics are on the way — and if this massive leak is to be believed, it looks like there are at least 28 new chips coming soon. According to Redditor u/_rogame, the new chips were detailed in AMD’s 2019 Bootcamp drivers. While there aren’t many details about the CPU or GPU clock speeds or performance, these are all expected to be 7nm processors based on AMD’s Zen 2 architecture with graphics based on the company’s Vega GPU technology. The lineup appears to be evenly divided between laptop and desktop processors. http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/ryzen.jpg?w=439&ssl=1 On the laptop side, it looks like we can expect eight 15 watt processors that will compete with Intel’s Core U-series processors, as well as six higher-performance 45 watt processors aimed at Intel’s H-series products. The desktop lineup includes six processors with TDP ratings of 65 watts, as well as eight 35 watt chips. I should also point out that there are an even number of “Consumer” and “Pro” processors, which means you can effectively cut the number of chips in half for the most part. The Pro chips tend to have extra security features and they’re designed for computers sold to business and enterprise customers — so if you don’t fall into that category, you’ll most likely see laptops with a choice of four different 15-watt Renoir processors, three 45 watt processors, etc. CES in January is the event where AMD will hit the stage in January, talking up these chipsets and wowing us with AMD's plans for 2020 ---- but please do remember that Intel's clever insertion of their slightly premature 10nm Ice Lake daughter board combo chipsets in December did indeed allow Intel to "rule the laptop world" for at least 1 month before being unseated by AMD's sandbagged but preexisting full lineup of 7nm Renoir laptop and desktop all in one chipsets. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 12/26/19 at 00:18:45 https://liliputing.com/2019/12/this-business-card-is-a-linux-computer-made-from-3-in-parts.html http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/hilliard_03.jpg?resize=700%2C467&ssl=1 If you wanted to showcase your skills while hunting around for a new job, get lots of free international level advertising and expose yourself to those who would want to hire you --- you could do this. "Martha, get this guy scheduled for an interview with Tom and his team to see if he fits their opening". Also proves he is a dab hand with a soldering iron -- he hand built the boards. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Eegore on 12/26/19 at 10:35:41 I cant recall if this is the same guy but there were Linux business cards at a comic-con in Denver or Colorado Springs a few years ago. The same booth had ties, bow-ties, watchbands etc. made from non-working boards. But I do remember the business cards were useable and I might still have one somewhere. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/02/20 at 21:01:49 https://liliputing.com/2020/01/zotac-introduces-zbox-mini-pcs-with-intel-comet-lake-chips.html http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/ci662_01.jpg?fit=1146%2C481 Brand new generations of 7nm laptop processors are coming out from both AMD and Intel. These last new 7nm generations of low wattage (15 watt, 7watt and below) processors now come with "good enough for light gaming" built in graphics and enough CPU and Graphics processing power to pass the old "will it run Far Cry" test --- and they will do it in a fan free noiseless format too. Watch these things become 7 watt and 5 watt CPUs inside the next 5nm generation which happens later on this year. These will be very small, very economical chipsets. Given a year or so to get replaced a couple of times by the upcoming competitive waves, these processors will slide down the competitive & price listings to become bottom of the barrel cheap. You can watch these new laptop chipsets from Intel and AMD do this slide to the bottom death dance starting now, when they are still primo products that are still carrying a primo price bump. 5nm has started its VERY RAPID DEPLOYMENT stages, driven by the lower cost effects of not needing million dollar production masks being replaced all the time like all the 7nm generations required. The new direct burn EUV production equipment is what makes 5nm go, and it will go quite rapidly indeed. Apple's A14 chipset is in full 5nm production runs RIGHT NOW at this point in time, and when it is done the production machinery is free to roll out other customer's first 5nm chipsets. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/06/20 at 13:55:41 CES is in full swing. AMD will be presenting in a half an hour from now. So far Intel has given out some vague stuff about processor speeds over 5 ghz, while also claiming "ground breaking methods" for fighting excessive HEAT, the excessive HEAT that comes from their way way way overclocked 14nm CPUs. So, Intel 10nm isn't real yet, save for a very very few laptop chipsets. Last year AMD sandbagged EVERYTHING they had ready last year, sandbagging them so completely that they are just now releasing the AMD laptop generation that should have been released at the last (2019) CES. Temptation again is for AMD to sandbag very strongly all over again as Intel still doesn't have any competitive desktop products that are anything beyond 14nm. AMD has a 7nm+++ laptop series ready to announce at this show, but once again the temptation to sandbag it pretty much completely is out there in reality land. Intel has no real STRONG competitive products that require a lot of response from AMD right now ....... AMD's new laptop chipsets outperform Intel by 2x and that is compared to Intel stuff that has not even arrived yet. ================================================== So, as I thought Intel has not improved their desktop stuff any at all, so AMD is showing and comparing their new desktop stuff intentionally comparing it to Intel's dual socket workstation motherboards and the Intel dual quad core mainframe chipsets, just so as to get something from Intel that will display on the same COMPARISON CHART as the new AMD products. No joke, AMD had wrap around CES main big screens that were the front wall and the two side walls, and they showed Intel's best on the left hand wall and the AMD current products were displaying wrapping all the way up the left wall, across the width of the main front wall and ending up on the right wall -- this is way way beyond expectations as far as AMD product improvements go. Intel had made a big noise about their new 10nm laptop stuff, and remember, what they said about their domination was "real" only for less than 30 days ---- but now the new generation 7nm AMD laptop processors are out now and these are TWICE AS GOOD as Intel's very very best next year's stuff and AMD can do it at 15 watts, not 45 watts and 60 watts like Intel has to use. And you can buy the new AMD stuff from retail sources inside 30-60 days from right now. This is seriously beating up the brown vapor Intel stuff that is promised for NEXT YEAR at the very earliest ....... Threadripper is now up to 64 cores and 128 threads right now, and current new Threadripper outperforms the very biggest and best and baddest Intel dual socket quad core mainframe chipsets by a factor of 3 right now. Intel simply got used to mop up the CES show floor in all the areas where AMD showed any new stuff. AMD did not say a word about their pending 5nm product lines --- AMD has these in the can right now and they are in sample testing at motherboard vendors at this point in time and are almost ready right now for "at risk" production. Sandbagged, the lot of them ....... AMD has them and just needs a reason to trot them out ....... but Intel simply isn't good enough to be that reason right now. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/06/20 at 17:21:17 https://www.techradar.com/news/at-ces-2020-intel-fails-to-defend-its-crown-from-amd I just watched what passed for the Intel CES keynote presentation. Lots of fluff and some vague brown vapor, but no real world beating products that are really real at all in any market segment. HOWEVER, Intel's lips are moving so we all know what that means. First, Intel has no stake in Android and for them to try to take any form of secondary credit for Google and the Android Play Store is absurd. Ditto for Mediatek's modems (I can remember Intel suing Mediatek over those modems a year or so ago). Intel is showing us NOTHING that they have invented. And if the stinky little rumor that Samsung is actually running those 10nm laptop chipsets for Intel is true then things get even worse for Intel. Intel has a serious problem right now. AMD has "reality cleaned" Intel's clock but good for the next 2-3 years already (going by what Intel is presenting as their future "competitive" products and technologies which are all items that are "not real" right now). These Intel projects all supposedly depend on new Intel production line stuff that is actually two summers away from right now assuming they actually get built on time. AMD is back to sandbagging whole generations of stuff again but TSMC 5nm 15 layer lithography has such huge cost savings and so many production driven "productivity advantages" that AMD is going to have to go there anyway this year or next year simply by being driven by the HUGE production cost savings that is out on the table. WARNING: Samsung/IBM consortium has also completed their gate all around 3nm process and Samsung is working on 3nm mobile processor designs and already has a working 5nm FinFet SOC chipset design that are able to be built on these same process lines. Samsung is trying to be a foundry source again, and if Intel picks up on all that Samsung is offering them right now it could all get real interesting real quick like ..... but that presupposes Intel has the brains and balls to actually go do that. It must be painful to be an Intel show presenter, showcasing your next 2021 year's stuff that AMD had just highlighted in their own presentation as only being half as good as what AMD was presenting today (shipping in 60 days). This man knows that by the time he can ship what he is showing that AMD will be working on their 5nm generation's second improvement wave and that has to weigh on his mind quite a bit. http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/tiger-lake_01.jpg?resize=687%2C500&ssl=1 What'cha got in your hands, dude? Where did you get it from? Never do say out loud, do you ???? You just talk about Intel's future laptop plans for summer after next ...... and all them narsty Samsung and TSMC brown vapor rumors just keep a swirling around and around and around yer head faster and faster so strong now that you had to shave off all your hair just to keep the swirly hair effects in control ....... REMEMBER, Intel has NEVER EVER built a phone style SOC so who built this one for you ????? I especially like the way Intel took "credit" for the Mediatek modems that they are buying --- and the credit they took for the items in the Google Android Play Store. And the long haired hippy like graphics dude was a hoot and a half, really, he makes the whole thing worth watching. =================================================== Forbes, and two tech review magazines all bring up the same exact points ---- Intel did NOT announce a new chipset at CES although they showed a new chipset and a new motherboard and talked some about Tiger Lake BUT they never actually said there was a connection between what they showed and what they talked about. The nasty rumor about Samsung is still circulating, and it does provide a rational why Intel won't say what that chipset was nor where it actually came from. Intel may plan to buy the equipment and make their own stuff eventually, and they certainly need whatever image building things that they can buy, borrow or steal right now because their image is really low at the moment. Intel is certainly resting in a rough patch right now currently losing 2-3% market share per month with the potential for that rate to increase as the AMD laptop chipsets begin to get real world reviewed with no real Intel competitor class chipsets being built into products at this point in time. |
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Title: Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/09/20 at 11:35:29 https://liliputing.com/2020/01/this-is-intels-first-discrete-graphics-card-that-you-wont-be-able-to-buy.html More Intel "progress" as shown behind closed doors at CES 2020 http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/dg1_02.jpg?w=669&ssl=1 Intel has been investing heavily in improving graphics performance of its processors, and the company is starting to share a few details at the Consumer Electronics Show. Among other things, Intel has revealed the Intel DG1 graphics card with next-gen Intel Xe graphics. The company has also made it clear that this isn’t actually a graphics card you’ll be able to buy and put into a desktop computer… and you probably wouldn’t want to anyway. Instead it’s aimed at software developers. The chip maker is sending samples out to help ensure that by the time Intel is ready to ship processors with its next-gen graphics, third-party software is able to take advantage of the new GPU technology. :-? Yeah, we want you to volunteer to spend your time writing software to use this turd of a GPU, yeah, this smoking brown fuming one one that we won't even let you keep after you review it. While the Intel DG1 looks a lot like the kind of desktop graphics card you’d expect from NVIDIA or AMD, it’s more of a laptop GPU crammed inside of a desktop PCIe card. According to The Verge, the card has a 20-watt (give or take) GPU that can consume up to 40 or 50 watts of PCIe bus power. But it’s basically using the same GPU technology that will be featured in Intel’s upcoming “Tiger Lake” U-series laptop processors, which are expected to be chips that use around 15 to 25 watts each for both the CPU and GPU. huh ????? Now what is amazing to me is that the new AMD all in one laptop units have 15 watt draw in total for both the CPU and GPU with a super powered variant that is "desktop grade" for use in super laptops that will draw 45 watts in total for both items. However, this Intel puppy is ALL HEATSINK, and it is obviously is built using Intel's new super heat sink technology which can magically dissipate 50-60 watts of heat from a 20 watt graphics card. ...... and no, I am not bull shooting you, the heat sink is simply miraculous in that it can disperse twice as many watts of pure heat as the card is supposedly supposed to draw power-wise, period. When you get good enough to say that with a straight face, you too can go to work for Intel as a marketing manager. The second rub is that the AMD units are real and are shipping from multiple vendors for real starting in February or March ---- meanwhile Intel is so far away from real at the moment that they won't even sell anyone a sample of their super duper graphics card. Why? For fear somebody might actually go buy a copy of it and then fairly benchmark it and publish the results ..... ..... and it is really really is that totally sorry of a GPU right now such that Intel doesn't want it tested at all, ever, by anybody. Ever. Intel just fired the new honcho that they had put in charge of the project, he was simply unable to make it stop fuming those constant nauseous brown decomposition fumes from the slowly blackening overcooked potting resins. ::) ...... hey, I am just joking ----- I think. NEW INFORMATION leaked out 4 weeks later --- Intel didn't run these boards, TSMC did. New assumption for Intel "new stuff" --- if it is new tech, then Intel didn't run it -- look towards TSMC or Samsung as Intel doesn't own the tech to run modern new stuff yet. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/11/20 at 17:11:41 CES 2020 is over. Here is a brief synopsis of what was announced. AMD announced 3 new laptop chipset lines sporting new graphics generations that will come in between 10-15-25 watt ranges depending mostly on the number of graphics cores they sport. These AMD all in ones kick the butt of what Intel put out a month ago by a factor of 2x on the heaviest most powerful units ..... (ranges up to 3x on the lesser levels as Intel tends to run a bit wimpy graphically on the lesser units) Intel has announced ..... NOTHING but some vague plans for a 1-2 year out time frame. Nothing that Intel has vapor announced beats what AMD has for real, right now. AMD announced a 64 core Threadripper that simply tears up ALL KNOWN Intel mainframe chipsets, no matter how many sockets or cores that they may have. Intel's multisocket chipsets start around $12,000 just for the multiple CPUs that they require ...... and current draw to support Intel's big guns runs in multiples of 300 watts, depending on the system board rack configurations (since you HAVE to have independent rack type power supplies for the largest Intel installations). AMD requires no more than 250 watts off a large PC type power supply to provide juice for their biggest Threadripper systems, which are dual socket units on a normal looking fits in a vertical case motherboard. The new AMD Threadripper just announced is a $4,000 single socket motherboard normal enough looking large case PC rig up with six cpu clusters making up 64 cores on a single socket system and it pulls up to 250 watts of power unless it is overclocked (which is hardly necessary as it already moves along twice (2x) as much processing power compared to Intel's finest super heated overclocked monstrosities). Yes, the newest Treadripper is smaller physically and requires less power to run it than the last generation of Treadripper big boys required power-wise..... =================================================== AMD has returned to Sandbagging Mode again ...... they have two 7nm+++ generations sitting in the can at this time that they will not roll them out until Intel (or somebody) does something to require them to move these out into production and into distribution. AMD has lots & lots of time to sell off old stocks at full price, in other words. AMD also has the first generations of 5nm FinFet designed and ready, and the first generation of at risk production of 3nm Gate All Around is out in testing with their motherboard vendors and business partners. =================================================== :P Apple, Mediatek, Huawei and Samsung are all actually closer to being real AMD technical competitors than Intel is at the moment. :P |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/20/20 at 01:41:36 https://www.anandtech.com/show/15385/intels-confusing-messaging-is-comet-lake-better-than-ice-lake I just read up on Comet Lake vs Ice Lake vs Ryzen mobile (the newest one). Comet Lake is last year's 14nm+++ with an extra core or two, and it is faster than Ice Lake due to that fact (but only mildly and only in tasks that actually use the extra core counts. So, Intel has come up with a new chipset designation that smells very "same old, same old" as far as specs or throughput numbers. Intel is actually catching grief from their fanboys now because of this very vapor based ambivalent "performance increase". Indeed, Intel's advertised stuff shows a mixed bag of wins between their older production and their newest laptop chipsets. Intel Tiger Lake is very likely not initially being run on Intel equipment, and it does have somebody's AI adder chipset in it to give it some sort of brown vapor processing advantage. In short, between Tiger Lake, Comet Lake and Ice Lake the consumer/user is hard pressed to justify all the extra dollars that he has just spent buying the latest and greatest from Intel. =================================================== So, AMD is sandbagging now all over their competitive product lines because they HAVE NO PRESSING COMPETITION OUT THERE and AMD prefers to sell out their existing stocks of chipsets at full price, only replacing them with newer models when warehouse stocks run dry in their distribution network. AMD will use their 2020 allocation of 5nm production at TSMC to selectively crush anything that Intel has that gets close to working "competitively". Do not expect AMD to do anything significant unless a competitor pushes on them a bit ---- and Intel isn't pushing anybody for much any more. CONFIRMED: Intel is having a few certain select chipsets being run by TSMC for them. Ditto for Samsung running a very few certain select items for Intel. Whenever Intel announces a new new 7nm chipset it likely isn't being run at Intel. Not at first, anyway. Watch Intel stop spending money on their in-house production processes and just buy what they need from the foundry guys. Issue now becomes that Intel's new designs have nothing distinctive to offer as "progressive" or "innovative" no matter who runs them or on what equipment. This is due to Intel's base designs being so old and relatively poor technically. AS SUCH, AMD now needs a new motivating pusher to push them forward. The next wave of innovation will likely take place due to Apple and the phone guys buying new tech to compete with each other in phone space, and this new tech will only roll over to computers if it offers better production yield numbers or some extra layers of "direct burn" on-chip direct access CPU and GPU memory, etc. etc. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 01/25/20 at 16:20:26 There have been several very good articles written this past month about Intel and their very slow decline after being upstaged and dethroned by AMD. Point made is that Intel is MASSIVE, Intel is still holding on to 85% of the total market share and that inertia mass is being re-enforced by some very restrictive contracts that Intel forced builders to sign up order to be allowed to order Intel chipsets ANY AT ALL in the past 20 years. In the EU, such restrictive "restraint of trade" contracts have been invalidated by the EU in direct actions, but until all major nations do likewise Intel still has a contractual choke hold on the throats of the PC industry. Next, AMD's technical superiority is only one generation deep and is somewhat marginal at the moment compared to the complete total industry wide big picture. Intel is close behind them, in other words. Intel has now begun to get some key products "advanced technically" by having them run in lot sizes at Samsung and TSMC -- a short term but very necessary thing that Intel must do to keep from slipping further into irrelevance. Intel has deep pockets and Intel can afford to pay cash to buy the tech they need. Intel blew over 30 billion dollars trying to do 10nm repeatedly "the Intel way" so they can certainly afford to pay 20 billion over the next few years to run their Intel 7nm at Samsung and TSMC in order to become competitive again. Getting things into perspective. Intel makes more money each month than AMD makes in a year. This is still true even after Intel has lost every technical crown that they had once owned. Intel can just buy what they need from Samsung and TSMC, just like Apple does ...... AMD cannot grow any faster that what they are growing, they simply cannot take over more Intel market share faster than they are already doing it right now. AMD's biggest danger is failing to supply the chipsets they have taken orders for ...... as Intel continues to do because of their "shortages". ==================================================== Taken world-wide, 2020 demand for PC processors exceeds what both AMD and Intel together can currently supply. Both are booked up 100%. Both companies are struggling to make their already sold shipments on time. Newest semi-confirmed rumors are that Intel is buying most of their low end Core I3s and their new low end Pentium class of processors, all of these old tech requirements are coming from Global Foundries since Global can do an old style 22nm or 16nm or 14nm for them using something that is quite similar to the Intel production methodologies. So we now have Intel running various levels of production at all their old competitors just to make up their production shortfalls. Intel is also running the newest lithography levels that Intel simply cannot do in house (due to a lack of modern technology) at Samsung and TSMC just to keep from giving it all over to AMD on a platter ...... |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/07/20 at 13:46:34 https://liliputing.com/2020/02/apple-may-be-working-on-amd-powered-macs.html http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/ryzen-4000_08.jpg?w=700&ssl=1 According to a series of tweets from @_rogame, there are multiple references to AMD components in the code for MacOS 10.15.4 Beta 1, suggesting that an upcoming MacBook or Mac desktop computer could feature an AMD processor and/or AMD graphics. Supporting AMD processors wouldn’t be as drastic a move as switching from PowerPC to Intel or from Intel to ARM, because AMD chips are based on the same x86 architecture as Intel processors. But there are enough differences that it makes sense for Apple to build optimizations for the new chips into the code of its operating system in order to support AMD components. Apple would not jump ship from Intel 100% right off the bat, but they certainly could (and would) cherry pick the best winner out of the AMD current laptop crop to start out with if they were going to be picking up AMD as a secondary laptop line. It seems likely this pathway is the current Apple intention, as Apple can also still do their own home grown ARM processors if they thought it was the most competitive pathway. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/10/20 at 12:07:23 At my wife's request I will only touch her Windows machine when she asks me to. She only asks when it clogs up to the point it won't run at all. This time she had 4 new adwares installed on her machine. She had been hijacked 4x in other words. She had 4 instances of dropbox trying to run at the same time, all using one drop box account out on the net. She had 6 instances of Firefox all trying to run at the same time, with at least 3 of them attempting to update Firefox to a newer revision. She had 8 Microsoft system alerts running in the background trying to fix her very broken Windows 10 machine. She had zero free memory and approaching zero free hard drive space. This was from multiple multiple backed up MS nightly updates eating up all her spare hard drive space. ==================================================== I had been reading that MS had hit a new low in totally screwing up user's home computers, and now I believe it. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/12/20 at 14:17:37 https://www.zdnet.com/article/intels-horrible-bad-terrible-week-amid-aws-qualcomms-arm-moves/ This is the head Editor guy at ZDNET putting out a plain warning that Intel is heading for a very serious "technical debacle" in 2020 based upon the decisions made by Intel right at the end of 2019 all of which are rapidly becoming "cast in stone" REAL day by day in January/February/March 2020. There are a good half dozen to a dozen different crisis items that Intel has either folded on or punted on instead of competing in a responsive manner. ZDNET's point is that giving up across the board isn't anything but a proactive funeral being self conducted by Intel and that is what is happening right now. Next, Intel hasn't got anything that is real for right now -- nothing is going to be real sooner than next summer sometimes or another. By the time it comes due to be real it will all be passe' and all totally overcome by competitive real events. And I think he is saying that the industry as a whole is currently busy dicing up the turf that Intel has abandoned -- and that Intel really isn't relevant to the futures that are being discussed even as early as January 2020. :P It does not matter how big Intel is if they simply give up and do not chose to struggle with the details any more in any meaningful fashion. Saying that Intel is "rolling away from being dependent on the PC industry" is fine, Intel has actually made this decision twice previously and Intel found that they HAD to reverse course fairly quickly because of a LACK OF INCOME FLOW when their replacement plans went tits up. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/18/20 at 07:54:57 5nm 5G chipsets are now shipping in bulk from Qualcomm, Samsung and Huawei. This is the third generation 5nm process, all 3 generations of which took place in 1 year due to competition between Qualcomm and Mediatek and Huawei. Competition makes for rapid progress. 5nm has begun its mass roll out and it will lap up all previous generations inside a year ---- it is that much cheaper to produce and a singe production wafer holds a lot more chipsets than in previous generations. Intel vs AMD is taking their group pacing from Intel, which means both of the American chipset guys will get lapped by Qualcomm and Mediatek and Huawei within 2 years. Sad, but that is how it works ...... Now we await the first 5nm laptop class chipsets to arrive, which will be very soon I think. These laptops will cost and performance lap what we have now and it will put paid to both Intel and AMD if AMD isn't careful. The only way to stop this is for AMD to roll their 5nm chiplets into full production ASAP .... |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by rl153 on 02/19/20 at 10:55:00 OF, I know you don't like win 10 , but I tried this and got a free upgrade from win 7. It hung up for a day, but I turned off update and the process completed. Just thought some people might find this useful https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2020/02/04/how-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-for-free-in-2020/#29a7c3ad75ff |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/20/20 at 04:44:52 Win 10 has earned my dislike by being a total pain in the ass compared to Win 7, which was stable and good and worked very well for a lot of years. Win 10 drove me to being a total Linux user, which is also stable and good and has worked very well for an equal number of years, as well as being FREE as in NO bi-yearly hook or crook update costs. Win 7 and Win 10 have cost me repeated amounts of money having to be sent to MS ...... either by a direct bill or by the dirty trick of shutting itself off repeatedly due to "something the user had installed or changed". Still, the wife has to have it, so I have to pay the money for her machine. She knows she is going to be rolling over to Linux as soon as she retires and Win 10 is no longer required by her work, but I will wait until MS does something dirty and underhanded to force the change over on her machine, just to keep peace in the household. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/24/20 at 11:32:47 Intel cannot downshift their lithography size so they are cutting their prices some more yet again. Intel is adding in some additional "somewhat bogus" hyper-thread count talk-talk so they try to can claim some sort of equivalency with AMD's current chipsets (only by using special Intel test suites -- i.e. pure Intel BS testing on experimental chips that are not actually real or available). AMD still has a real physical cost and speed and thread count and data throughput advantage at each comparative level of chipset. You still have to double your Intel cost to get close to the equivalent REAL AMD functionality. Hard fact, AMD is simply better stuff now when compared to Intel "apples to apples" ..... Intel's current PR trick is to take the specifications off of item Intel B, the calculation ability off of Intel item C and then actually go sell you an older version chipset, a lesser lithography level chipset D ---- all the while headlining and only talking about a proposed brand new Intel chipset A, one that you cannot buy at all until late next summer. To say Intel is brewing up some intentional PR confusion is only the simple stark truth now-a-days. This illegal and forbidden practice is called "bait and switch" when it takes place in the automotive industry. Fines and jail time are assessed for the folks doing it to automotive consumers because laws were passed on the subject long ago. Although Intel talks about 4 hyper threads per core, Intel cannot really actually do that trick yet. Only certain AMD processors running on Linux can actually do that trick for real right now and the workloads that can actually use it live on rackspace units, not on any PC units. Clear Linux will get this capability first for any of the Intel chipsets, maybe by late this summer. MS Win 10 hasn't moved off dead center about adopting 4 threads per core yet at all, and frankly may never do so as MS makes separate OS products for rack units and MS does not intermix features with the PC based units. :-? All Intel is really going to accomplish with all this blather is to motivate AMD to change over to 5nm lithography even quicker ........ On the positive side, AMD inside of two years has taken Intel up from 4 cores across the board up to 6-8 cores now, with 10 cores planned by Intel "for late next summer" ....... and forced Intel to lower their prices by 25% to get down to a not quite competitive posture. AMD has already totally fixed their "hyperthreading" so it is not an AMD security concern at this point in time, Intel has not yet completed their first wave of hyperthreading fixes and Intel hyperthreading still is very much considered a security concern. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 02/27/20 at 10:58:47 https://liliputing.com/2020/02/35-raspberry-pi-4-now-comes-with-2gb-of-ram-permanent-price-drop.html Hark back a few years to when I first started posting on this board. Yeah, hit the wayback machine Mr. Peabody, and set the dial for the late 1990s. I was running a not quite new any more (slightly moldy) AMD Athlon 64 bit single core processor that I had bought new when the 64 bit revolution took place. It had 1 gig of systems memory (expanded by me from 512k to max out the machine as delivered) and the 64 bit single core processor's speed maxed out at 1 ghz. That was state of the art the last time AMD outdid Intel to any noticeable degree. http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/raspberry-pi-4_01.jpg?resize=700%2C452&ssl=1 Run it forward to today, when for $35 you can buy this Raspberry Pi credit card sized computer with a quad-core Cortex-A72 processor clocked at up to 1.5GHz, swinging 2 megabytes of system memory (up to 4 meg for $55 if you choose to buy the expanded memory version). And yes, a quad core ARM A72 at 1.5 ghz will outprocess an old Athlon single core PC processor ...... So, that shows were we are sitting right now in a nutshell, AMD is jest killing Intel on every front right now and Raspberry Pi is 4x lapping my old original Athlon AMD box on a credit card sized PC on a board for just $35. ::) |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 03/04/20 at 23:51:28 https://www.extremetech.com/computing/306978-intel-expects-to-reach-process-parity-with-7nm-in-2021-lead-on-5nm#:~:text= http://https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/641972-intel-9th-generation-640x360.png According to remarks Intel CFO George Davis made at a Morgan Stanley conference this week, the company still believes it has a ways to go before it matches the pace of its foundry competitors and retakes overall process leadership. Reports of his remarks at the conference suggest Intel won’t regain parity with TSMC and possibly Samsung until it launches 7nm parts in 2021, with the firm retaking leadership at the 5nm node. Intel has previously said it would launch a GPU on 7nm in 2021, and Intel CEO Bob Swann has stated that 7nm CPUs will ship in Q4 2021 OK, Intel has been letting their acting Chief Financial Officers speak for the company as "current spokesman" again. This new one is called George Davis, the new Corporate CFO. This is two bean pickers in a row promoted to be "acting talking head" for the company with Bob Swann now moving back up a step into the exalted Chairman of the Board CEO status and the acting current Intel Finance type bean picker taking up the main public "talking head" position. Reality vs Intel This year is 2020, first quarter. The world is ACTUALLY AT 7nm right now and is busy stepping down to 6-5nm as we speak. 6-5nm will roll across the board everywhere this year, everywhere but at Intel and Global Foundry. In 2021, second gen 5nm will hit, and possibly 3rd gen 5nm if it rolls out as fast as the first ones did. 2022 is likely the start of 3nm turf (assuming the two years per lithography generation as driven by Apple holds true). Intel's head dog info from both head bean pickers says that Intel WILL REMAIN at least two generations back and as such Intel is being counted out as relatively mortibund by doing so. ================================================== https://www.anandtech.com/show/15253/80core-n1-nextgen-ampere-quicksilver-the-antigraviton2 http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15253/packet_678x452.jpg The new product doesn’t yet have a marketing name – we asked and they preferred it to be called ‘Next-Gen Ampere’ for now, or to use its SoC codename ‘QuickSilver’. What we were told is that the new product is a brand new ground-up design from Ampere, separate from the AppliedMicro IP acquisition. It plans to compete in the same space that Amazon’s Graviton2 currently sits at AWS, but as the main alternative to the other cloud providers that won’t have access to Graviton2. What we are getting today is some rough details of the new chip. Other features, such as exact SKUs to be launched, exact TDPs, exact frequencies, and pricing, are going to be disclosed at the official release announcement in 2020. Nonetheless, Ampere has exposed a lot of details. Next-Gen Ampere will be a monolithic chip built on TSMC’s 7nm process and featuring 80 cores. These cores are not custom like eMAG, but are built on Arm’s Neoverse N1 design, using paired clusters of cores connected by an Arm mesh IP (CMN-600). This is the same core as Graviton2, and as expected Ampere is keen to promote that their design is optimized for power, performance, latency, and throughput, as well as offering more cores and more of other things as well. ARM Holdings has put out a 7nm factory standard N1 design version of the ARM cores with a heavy duty infinity fabric data buss and AI accelerators that is primarily intended for use in Data Centers. Companies have put together 36 core, 64 core and now 80 core versions of this product and have begun sampling and testing. Expect this tech to roll downhill to the PC world within several years or so ..... This 80 core N1 variant has now been sampled and is out at several of the data farm folks being tested for its claims of 2x+ processing power at <1/2 the energy cost of the best of the Intel mainframe chipsets. The cost of the processor is low enough to get down into upper range PC space right now, and if it becomes common place the price will drop further. Remember, the biggest data crunchers -- Google, Amazon, etc. etc. already roll their own arm based processors and are currently reaping these sorts of cost and speed benefits from doing so. So, we already know the idea works. Prediction time AMD has taught the world (and the OS boys) that lots of cores are cool and are a perfectly acceptable way to get the job done faster and at the lowest cost. I have an 8 core Motorola cell phone swinging 8 tiny energy efficient A53 cores that uses this "many little processors" method to get the job done, and that includes doing video playback tasks that used to only run off a PC box. Trust me on this --- 24 or 36 or 64 or 80 ARM Holdings N1 cores can get the same job done on a PC replacement chipset. If AMD drops their current quite slow "sandbagged" improvement pace any further due to Intel not moving any at all, then the ARM processor boys will pick up their x86 fumble AT ONCE and run the dropped ball on down the field in the opposite direction using the ARM Holdings N1 cores and a consumer version of the new mainframe connection buss fabric. Intel is no longer relevant and is quite moribund and immovable -- AMD needs to watch out for their real current "phone based" competitors sitting over there against the wall jest a glaring at you and fondling their N1 licenses --- and yes, they are glaring at you AMD you good old buddy you ....... ::) |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 03/06/20 at 12:13:08 https://www.engadget.com/2020/03/06/intel-chips-unpatchable-security-flaw/ https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/6/21167782/intel-processor-flaw-root-of-trust-csme-security-vulnerability https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/5/16853732/intel-meltdown-spectre-cpu-vulnerability-class-action-suits http://https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims?thumbnail=640%2C&quality=80&image_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fo.aolcdn.com%2Fimages%2Fdims%3Fresize%3D2000%252C2000%252Cshrink%26image_uri%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fs.yimg.com%252Fos%252Fcreatr-uploaded-images%252F2019-11%252Faa237bb0-06b9-11ea-bd77-b58e752151a3%26client%3Da1acac3e1b3290917d92%26signature%3D6f9bd90a136e753c8855fd338cf15045d6694b58&client=amp-blogside-v2&signature=ce5740073ad913f565ea657aea4646e926ac6ac4 Security researchers have discovered another flaw in recent Intel chips that, while difficult to exploit, is completely unpatchable. The vulnerability is within Intel's Converged Security and Management Engine (CSME), a part of the chip that controls system boot-up, power levels, firmware and, most critically, cryptographic functions. Security specialists Positive Technologies have found that a tiny gap in security in that module that could allow attackers to inject malicious code and, eventually, commandeer your PC. The vulnerability is another in a string of Intel chip flaws that have damaged the chipmaker's reputation of late. In 2018, Intel faced heavy criticism over the Meltdown and Spectre flaws in Intel chips that could have allowed attackers to steal data. CSME, which has its own 486-based CPU, RAM and boot ROM, is the first thing that runs when you boot up your computer. One of the first things it does is protect its own memory, but before that happens, there's a brief moment when it's vulnerable. If hackers have local or physical access to a machine, they might be able to fire off a DMA transfer to that RAM, overwriting it and hijacking code execution. Since the ROM vulnerability allows seizing control of code execution before the hardware key generation mechanism in the SKS is locked, and the ROM vulnerability cannot be fixed, we believe that extracting this key is only a matter of time. When this happens, utter chaos will reign. Hardware IDs will be forged, digital content will be extracted, and data from encrypted hard disks will be decrypted. Since the boot code and RAM are hard coded into Intel's CPUs, they can't be patched or reset without replacing the silicon. That makes it impossible for Intel or computer makers to mitigate, let alone completely fix, the vulnerability. The CSME's security functions allow the operating system and apps to securely store file encryption keys using a master "chipset key." If an attacker could access that key by executing malicious code, they could gain access to core parts of the operating system along with apps, and potentially do serious damage. "This [chipset] key is not platform-specific. A single key is used for an entire generation of Intel chipsets," explains Mark Ermolov from Positive Technologies. "And since... the ROM vulnerability cannot be fixed, we believe that extracting this key is only a matter of time. When this happens, utter chaos will reign. Hardware IDs will be forged, digital content will be extracted, and data from encrypted hard disks will be decrypted." That sounds dramatic, but exploiting the vulnerability would require major technological know-how, specialized equipment and physical access to a machine. Once hackers were inside a system, though, they could feasibly gain persistent remote access. The vulnerability applies to machines with Intel chips built over the last five years or so. Intel said that it was notified of the vulnerabilities and released mitigations in May 2019 to be incorporated into firmware updates for motherboards and computer systems. The chip giant told Ars Technica on background that those updates "should" mitigate local wifi and LAN based attacks. However, physical attacks (where attackers have physical access to a targeted computer) might still be possible if attackers can roll back BIOS versions. As such, Intel said in a support document that "end users should maintain physical possession and security of their platforms. Intel now has 6 levels of security concerns that between them cover ALL EXISTING Intel processors. Intel is now trying to spin this entire thing into a "you must buy a brand new machine ASAP" leaving out the fact that THIS DOES NOT FIX THE LONG STREAM OF INTEL CRITICAL SECURITY CONCERNS and it will not fix the next concerns that are coming up in the future either. The only way to get out from under this cloud is to INTENTIONALLY LEAVE WINTEL BEHIND YOU ...... a very difficult thing for many of us to do. =================================================== As you know, I bought my wife a big old $79 used Dell box like mine last year, one that predates the "can't be mitigated or fixed security issues" and it has all the current Linux fixes and all the current Microsoft fixes for the older illnesses applied to it as shipped. AS SUCH we are as good as we are ever going to be and I have now finished setting it up with a brand new Brother network laser printer (required because the old Brother laser printer was not supported any longer for any new Microsoft driver software updates -- the built in MS Win10 support was lacking and Microsoft would not stop "updating" with the nightly driver supplements with stuff that only supported the modern printers. So MS kept breaking the old printer driver every two months or so by only giving support preference to "most current printers". I bought a new networked laser printer on super sale for $99 and I picked up a case of toner cartridges for another $60 so I think I am good through another 5 year printer obsolescence cycle. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 03/08/20 at 21:45:35 https://www.extremetech.com/computing/307097-amd-analyst-day-2020-zen-3-infinity-fabric-3-and-3d-packaging HOW GOOD ARE THE NEW RYZEN 4000 ALL IN ONE CHIPSETS? http://https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/AMD-Ryzen-4000-Mobile.jpg Note please that this is compared to an Intel i7 chipset that you can't really buy just yet, certainly not in just any run of the mill Intel laptop to say the least. This is right now sort of stuff that AMD is shipping right now. Intel promises to do better by next summer ........ but by the time it arrives AMD will have rolled out the entire Zen 3 generation for laptops and will have lapped whatever Intel does do very strongly once again. Intel's best guess at a cadence is a tick tock two year cycle right now, assuming they can actually make their changes work right on a two year schedule. So far, Intel hasn't been able to do this in house and has been buying their 7nm laptop tech from Samsung and TSMC on the sly. AMD is doing a tick tick tick cycle inside of one year right now, with whole new lithography generations coming out of TSMC within a single year. AMD is hitting the current tick with the next one of their product groups, skipping between the groups on a rolling basis and simply murdering Intel on product advancements. Watch AMD begin consistently skipping the lead in first efforts of the TSMC cycles and just hitting on the first refinement cycle rather than fighting out the details of those first "somewhat bug ridden" first of the lot lithography generations. Watch the ARM phone based boys become the defacto state of the art technical leaders using all the new ARM N1 processor generations and all the various new AI stuff --- becoming the major PC suppliers to China and to India while they do that. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 03/09/20 at 07:50:11 https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-promises-fixes-for-fresh-cpu-security-flaws-and-they-wont-slow-your-pc http://https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/8iV7YquQq2UY5wXHCiW62J-650-80.jpg AMD Ryzen Last week, an Israeli security outfit published details of security flaws that affected AMD processors, and we’ve now had official word from AMD acknowledging that the bugs in question are indeed real – although it added that they’re difficult to exploit, and that fixes are coming. Israeli firm CTS Labs highlighted 13 vulnerabilities in its white paper, and unusually, only gave AMD 24 hours’ notice before making the research public. The vulnerabilities affected Ryzen and Ryzen Pro CPUs, as well as EPYC server processors. Addressing the bugs, AMD’s CTO Mark Papermaster underlined the fact that root-level (administrator) OS access is needed to be able to leverage exploits against the vulnerabilities. That means they’re difficult to exploit – and anyone who managed to get unauthorized admin access to a machine could wreak all sorts of havoc on it, bugs notwithstanding. Patches aplenty Papermaster clarified that fixes are in the pipeline, and that firmware patches would be released via BIOS updates to tackle the Masterkey, Ryzenfall and Fallout groups of vulnerabilities. A fourth group of flaws, known as Chimera, which affects systems using the ‘Promontory’ chipset, will receive attention via mitigating patches delivered through BIOS updates. AMD said it is “working with the third-party provider that designed and manufactured the ‘Promontory’ chipset on appropriate mitigations”. In all cases, AMD asserted that there will be no impact on the performance of the patched PC, which isn’t the case with Intel’s cures for Meltdown and Spectre, as they can cause some level of slowdown (particularly for older processors, or those who aren’t running Windows 10). AMD said it would provide further analysis and updates on its mitigation plans in the coming weeks. PLEASE REMEMBER ----- This Israeli company CTS has done "paid hit wetwork" for Intel before, generally by publicly dumping somewhat specious security issues on AMD with very short to NO NOTICE. This has taken place yet again. Read the response AMD made with approaching zero notice. I will be interested in following this one to see just how fast AMD fixes their issues compared to Intel or MS. You see, AMD has a big advantage over Intel and MS as AMD is rolling out new designs and they can respond with real built in place responses to security issues as they have done consistently so far ...... |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 03/10/20 at 02:24:21 https://optocrypto.com/intel-will-use-6nm-tsmc-nodes-in-2021-and-3nm-in-2022/ http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15364/DG1_Car_678x452.jpg As for semiconductor technology, Intel’s 10 nm was mass-produced just once with very mixed results, but the company also has stated that its internal production yields and capacity will not be as large as Intel 22 nm and Intel 14 nm, which could be an important sign. That’s why Intel is now seriously thinking about TSMC and will deploy its 6 and 3 nm nodes in the coming years. Intel would outsource chips to TSMC with 6 and 3 nm nodes Previously, the industry had repeatedly reported that Intel would also outsource chips to TSMC. According to the latest information, this will extend to 3 nm in 2022, after the 6 nm node in 2021. Intel expects to fully exploit the 6-nanometer TSMC process in 2021 and is currently testing it. If the company really intends to expand the outsourcing of its chips, the GPU should be used first, in addition to the partially outsourced chipset, because the GPU is easier to manufacture than a CPU, and TSMC has experience in manufacturing GPUs. Intel will use 6nm TSMC nodes in 2021 and 3nm in 2022 Intel’s Xe architecture alone shows that DG1 is manufactured in a proprietary 10 nm process. It has 96 execution units with a total of 768 cores, a basic frequency of 1 GHz, an acceleration frequency of 1.5 GHz and 1 MB cache as well as 3 GB video memory. It is expected that the DG1’s performance will be comparable to that of a GTX 950, which is about 15% worse than the GTX 1050, a low-end graphics card suitable for energy-efficient areas, especially notebook GPUs. After the DG1 comes the DG2. It has been previously reported that DG2 will use TSMC’s 7nm method. It is now possible that it will end up using the 6 nm. The popular semiconductor manufacturer had also announced that Ponte Vecchio graphics cards for data centers will use their own 7-nm EUV process, we do not know if this plan will remain the same or will be switched to a 6-nm node. We will keep you informed. OK, this has been rumored repeatedly for the last year, with some confirmations that Intel is indeed showing things at shows that were built by Samsung and some things being shown are now being built up by TSMC, all of which have a strong ARM knowledge underpinning and are not x86 based at all. This is also backed up by Intel letting go a bunch of their x86 engineering staff (all experts in x86 tech but pretty much clueless about doing ARM designs). Look to see Intel glomm on to the ARM N1 wave as their next technological "forward push". This allows Intel to shake all the security holes that they cannot figure how to patch and to offload their "lack of expertise" on to the shoulders of their Asian suppliers just like Apple does. "If you can't beat them, join them ......" ::) =================================================== First confirmation from mainline sources (WCCFTECH and NOTEBOOKCHECK) saying Intel is moving on past their 10nm and 7nm in-house efforts, mainly because Intel's in-house yields are not good and the in-house processor performance isn't up to par either. https://wccftech.com/intel-abandoning-10nm-after-dg1-planning-to-use-tsmcs-6nm-and-3nm-for-next-generation-xe-gpus/ https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-s-upcoming-6nm-and-3nm-Xe-GPUs-to-be-built-by-TSMC-following-the-10nm-debacle.456507.0.html Look to see Intel to get in line with the ARM based boys, adapting their TSMC ARM tech and using Clear Linux functions more and more as the basis for Intel's competitive future plans ............ =================================================== INTEL CHEATS AGAIN Just like they paid CTS to bushwack AMD with zero warning, Passmark has been contracted by Intel to give a paid victory to Intel over the new Passmark version 10 single thread performance testing. In the last half year, AMD had wrested all the performance crowns from Intel the hard way, by outperforming Intel over a variety of measurement methods. Intel found this was cutting into sales and that they were actually losing ground in gaming (games are all single tread work), so Intel reached out to Passmark to redo the Passmark test methodology to use an INTEL ONLY tool set when doing the test. Version 9 of Passmark was in line with all other tests and showed AMD to be clearly ahead of Intel on single and multithreaded applications. Version 10 of Passmark out just last week shows ONLY INTEL PROCESSORS in the top 50 places, as only Intel supports the tool set Passmark is using in Passmark version 10. Gamers are beating up on Passmark for being stupid lazy shills, which both Passmark and CTS both certainly deserve for simply being stupid stupid stupid stupid lazy shills ....... Passmark's head dog apologies publicly for the Intel tool exclusivity, he didn't recognize that non-Intel tools were "as good as what Intel provided". Says that version 11 of Passmark will attempt to be tool set agnostic and will simply track who completes the task sets first (like Passmark 9 did). Passmark had taken the track with Passmark 10 that the best "state of the art" Intel tools needed to be used as Intel's "proper performance" required those tools. Once again, Intel can't compete, so they simply pay folks to CHEAT for them ...... |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 03/23/20 at 09:32:50 INTEL AND THE BIG LIE Intel suppliers are applying the new Intel sponsored, Intel created tests & benchmarks to say the newest Intel laptop chipsets (same thing that has been out for six months now, but were getting bashed last month for under performing vs AMD) are now suddenly TWICE AS GOOD as they were last month. So, Apple is wanting new unbiased benchmarks, ones that have an "unbuy-able" source behind them ...... Why does Apple want these new untainted benchmarks? Because new Apple laptops using Apple A-14 chipsets are getting ready to go, so Apple really needs a trustworthy benchmark vehicle to say what's what ...... ================================================== Intel and the phoney baloney Passmark 10 ratings ....... Intel and their shills are claiming that the new Passmark 10 tests (only if backed up by a new Intel based computing item that is built from the get go to only use the approved Intel drivers built into the device) really are as fast as the Passmark 10 test says it is. The last folks who tried the big benchmarking lie at this level of BIG LIE was Huawei about a year ago, and we all see how that wound up when global reality and Trump came crashing in on their big lie. It is a interesting point, that in China Huawei's stuff is the standard and "it works as good as that standard works" (with all the pieces working together). Intel is now sticking to their big lie, claiming that the newest Intel products with the newest Intel software standards built into it REALLY IS that fast, but all previous generations of Intel products and all competitive current processors (can you say AMD) can't really can't even complete the test as they are driver incompatible. Software, hardware and drivers are a reality in this world, so if Intel wants to play the game in this fashion, they certainly can. Intel is in essence saying that they are leaving all the applicable standards bodies that control such stuff if that really is the case. Expect folks to reverse engineer the Intel drivers and speed ups and apply them across the industry (if the speed ups are real using the processors and the drivers, then this will be a good thing for computing). If it is a gimmick, expect more to be exposed on this stuff later. =================================================== More from Passmark's head dude after 4 more days have elapsed ...... Hi, We released a new version of PerformanceTest a few days ago, version 10. Improvements in the benchmark test algorithms & using a more modern compiler resulted the single threaded test performing a much higher number of operations per second. These changes should push the CPU harder and use modern CPU features (out of order execution and multiple pipelines) better. The result was roughly 3x times more operations per second being performed, compared to PerformanceTest V9. Yesterday we started to switch over the graphs on the web site to start to use results from PerformanceTest V10. This accounts for the change in the results in the graphs. However in hindsight we think we may have done the wrong thing. We should had scaled down the PT10 single threaded result to match the PT9 results for the single threaded test. This single threaded test was already an average of values from several different single threaded algorithms. So additional scaling wouldn’t have changed the significance of the value. On Monday (9th March 2020) we plan to patch the version 10 release to scale the single threaded value back to the PT9 results. Things should then be back to normal. In the meantime we have reverted the single threaded graph on the web site to use only PT9 results. As we collect more PT10 results we expect PT10 to perform better on modern CPUs compared to older ones (relative to PT9). So overtime there might be a spreading out of the single threaded results, with the newer hardware pulling away from the older hardware a bit more. Sorry for any confusion all this has caused. Ah, it seems that Passmark intentionally fudges their new tests to stay in line with past results and "current expectations", but failed to do so this time. Intel (who paid for it to happen) took advantage of this little oopsie to rank themselves on top of every list that they donate to. Intel has a problem, since their processors haven't really sped up much at all and AMD's have indeed sped up considerably but Passmark 10 isn't saying that at all in the recently published lists. And now I can see why Apple is calling for new benchmarks that are under a competent somebody's impartial and completely un-bribe-able control. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 03/31/20 at 03:45:41 With all the Passmark controversy still belling in waves of confusion, and with Intel's massively misleading advertising and processor name swapping still happening (ongoing) and now the use of Intel proprietary (unreleased, non-industry standard) drivers --- WHAT IS WHAT IN PROCESSORS ???? This question has been addressed by several of the major testing reviewers as an item that was worth their time to answer. First of all, unless you are buying a new computer this week --- forgetaboutit. It will all change in the next 60-90 days on several fronts. Right now AMD is inching ahead of Intel in real terms but the gap isn't stable as Intel is playing lots of different games to either be (or seem to be) equivalent in real performance. Intel keeps "announcing a new product of the day" that isn't ever built or it gets replaced by another new product of the day very quickly. All of these are 14nm products and none of them are both efficient AND fast at the same time. With Intel it is either/or, always. With AMD, you get both all the time. If you can use multiple core performance -- AMD is ahead of Intel and is going to stay there. AMD is marching down the TSMC lithography drops as they happen, Intel is still stuck on their own 14nm processes. If you only use single core performance (older gaming uses this) your older Intel machine is still fine, keep the old machine and use it until it dies. =================================================== What happens next? AMD goes to 7nm Gen 3 this year and 5nm Gen 1 next year. 5nm performance increases will be major major performance increases coming in with significant cost reductions for the raw chip production. Intel has nothing significant to say in response to this in any roll out plans that they have put out for the next 2-4 years. Given how weak Intel's execution has been in the last 4 full years, this is simply bad news for Intel. Intel talks a lot about buying chipsets from TSMC "in the future" but in a company run by bean pickers this likely will never happen as Intel has too much profit invested in 14nm manufacturing to walk away from it (especially if led by a pair of bean pickers). Intel has now opened the Huawei Pandora's box and pulled out the "progress by specialty drivers" trick. Intel will play this new trick for all it is worth, but please understand that the Linux world actually maintains a set of industry standard drivers for everybody's equipment within the Linux kernel itself, these are the true industry standard drivers that generally can duplicate any "progressive tricks" anyone can come up with within a year or so and in plain reality simply makes them part of the real international industry standard. Apple is joining the fray within 1-2 years with their A-14 series. ARM HOLDINGS is joining the fray now with their mainframe originated 36-96 core A12 based multi-core N1 processors. China is moving forward as a chip supplier to the world using older AMD x86 tech and modern ARM Holdings tech as their x86 and ARM basis. We have waves of progress coming that will march down the lithography curve as it really happens. Intel is currently static, Intel is not moving forward significantly right now at all. Look for ALL of the current set of competitors to lap Intel inside the next 2 calendar years despite the Intel trickery. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/07/20 at 14:04:20 https://liliputing.com/2020/04/pico-whu4-is-a-mini-pc-with-up-to-an-intel-core-i7-8665ue-whiskey-lake-processor.html\ http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/whu4_01.jpg Aaeon’s PICO-WHU4 is a tiny computer that measures about 3.9[ch8243] x 2.8[ch8243] making it just a little larger than a pack of playing cards (or a Raspberry Pi). But it’s basically a full-fledged computer powered by a 15-watt, 8th-gen Intel Core processor. I’m reluctant to call this a single-board computer like the Raspberry Pi because while its processor is soldered to the motherboard, the PICO-WHU4 has a SODIMM slot for up to 16GB of DDR4 memory and a PCIe slot for solid state storage. Then again, most Raspberry Pi computers don’t have built-in storage either — they boot from microSD cards. The biggest difference between the PICO-WHU4 and the Raspberry Pi line of devices though, is that this is not a cheap mini PC. ZDNet notes that a model with a Core i5 processor is priced at $783. Intel has always had an inflated estimation of what their stuff is worth, and this one proves that Intel Attitude certainly hasn't changed much as Intel wants 22.5 times more for their device compared to a Pi and it pulls a whole lot more wall socket power compared to a Raspberry Pi. What is sad is it doesn't do more for you in a relatively comparative measure ...... it just costs a lot more. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by jcstokes on 04/07/20 at 18:15:57 OF, I'm using an HP p6320a, which I brought April 2010, it has an Intel ES5400 chip which was released about 1st quarter 2009. I'm now running Linux Mint Mate Sonya almost exclusively, for about a year haven't yet got rid of WIN7 but may do so in a few months, once I get someone to put the photos on Win 7 into Linux, have a brand new HP laser printer which prints well on Linux and scans ok?? I dont game and don't download that much, no one has hacked my bank account, so should I be that worried about an Intel chip? |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/08/20 at 06:32:50 It will work and "be safe" until it doesn't. Do not do your internet banking off of Windows, it is a bad risk since the bad boys out there specialize in hacking into Windows machines. Microsoft is slowly rotating away from Intel (very very slowly indeed) and I am endlessly amazed that folks keep on buying the older KNOWN affected CPU processors from Intel. HOWEVER, these same folks aren't wearing Corona virus masks and are going out freely KNOWING that anything you touch may infect you if it was touched before by an infected person. Wife and I are staying at home 100% with grocery trips every 2 weeks. We will start losing members here on the list and I am hoping Dave isn't the first one reporting real Corona virus symptoms. Cough, tight lungs, temp over 100 degrees bad bad bad. Do you have an accurate oral thermometer in your house? Do you have a set of masks for everybody in your house? |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by jcstokes on 04/08/20 at 12:30:46 Thanks OF, all banking is done on Linux. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/10/20 at 05:46:49 CHEATING on benchmarks, the wider view from the industry https://liliputing.com/2020/04/lilbits-386-cheating-at-benchmarks.html https://www.anandtech.com/show/15703/mobile-benchmark-cheating-mediatek warning ---- the quotes span both articles freely as they cover the same topic Benchmark utilities are designed to let you run the same exact test on multiple phones, PCs, or other devices so you can get an apples-to-apples comparison and see how they stack up against one another in terms of CPU, graphics, memory, and storage performance, among other things. At least that’s the idea. In practice, some device makers have a habit of cheating — and it looks like the folks at Anandtech have uncovered some widespread cheating on the part of chip maker MediaTek and many of the mobile phone makers that use its chips. Yes, Mediatek is providing direct vendor support for benchmark cheating and Mediatek makes a competitive sales point out of it. Huawei does the same with their own in-house processors, as does Intel --- so don't throw rocks unless your hands are clean guys. Benchmark cheating has a long history that goes far back for the industry (well – at least in smartphone industry years), and has also been a controversial coverage topic at AnandTech for quite a few years now. I remember back in 2013 where I (Lliputing) had tipped off Brian and Anand about some of the shenanigans Samsung was doing on the GPU of Exynos chipsets on the Galaxy S4, only for the thing to blow up into a wider analysis of the practice amongst many of the mobile vendors way back then – with all of them being found guilty. The Samsung case eventually even ended up with a successful $13.4m class-action lawsuit judgment against the company – with yours truly and AnandTech even being cited in the court filing. The naming and shaming did work over the following years, as vendors quickly abandoned such methods out of fear of media backlash – the negatives far outweighed the positives. In recent years however we saw a big resurgence of such methods, particularly from Chinese vendors. Most predominantly for our more western audience this happened to Huawei just a couple of generations ago with Huawei built programming that essentially selectively disabled thermal throttling the of phones during benchmark testing – letting more demanding benchmarks essentially have the SoC burn through to the maximum until thermal shutdowns took over. The naming and shaming that took place here again helped, as the company had transitioned from employing invisible mechanisms to something that was a lot more honest and transparent, and a lot less problematic for follow-up devices. Take a deep breath, what Intel is doing with their bribing and fudging of the Passmark 10 Benchmark is NOT uncommon today in the cell phone industry. You can count on anything Chinese that has a Chinese spec'd TSMC built Huawei or Mediatek processor likely has an intentionally fudged benchmark ranking which are all suspect because of the CHEATING is built into the structure of the processor monitor and throttling systems which is built right into the hardware and the OS system used by all Chinese cell phone makers. Intel is just doing what everyone else (Chinese) is doing. This explains why Apple is calling for an industry wide purge of all of the benchmarks we use to rank processors and the formation of a separate benchmark standards body that is completely un-bribe-able --- Apple has spent a lot of money making a better mousetrap in their A-14 and A-15 processors and Apple can't even show that they are really better compared to the competition because of all the "benchmark noise" that is going on with the Chinese and Intel based BS benchmark testing. During the historically most recent large benchmarking fiasco Samsung got hit with a 13+ million dollar judgement for their "systemic cheating" and this time around it is Mediatek, Huawei and Intel grouped together on the dark side. Expect class action cases to be filed shortly. Intel going to the darkside like they currently are doing is sad, but now Intel is giving the industry another strong reason to redo "benchmarking" as a general sort of thing. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/15/20 at 06:05:45 https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/03/05/amds-latest-cpu-roadmap-hints-at-zen-4-5-nm-processors-by-2022-with-zen-3-on-track-for-2020/ http://https://d1sxg8jua9jde6.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/CPU-Technology-IP-Overview_AMD-FAD-2020_For-Distribution_Page_12-1-1024x576.jpg AMD is rolling their plan forward by a year since TSMC is ready to go early on the 5mn lithography reductions. It feels like it was just yesterday that AMD released its Zen 2-based Ryzen 3000 CPUs, but the next generation of performance is right around the corner. AMD CTO & EVP of Technology & Engineering Mark Papermaster took the stage during today’s Financial Analyst Day 2020 event and teased some of AMD’s future CPU plans. Among those were a roadmap that confirmed the progress of its Zen 3 and Zen 4 processors. The former looks like it’ll be out before the end of the year, but there’s a surprising quirk: what happened to Zen 3 being a 7 nm+ part? Well, AMD has explained that it could no longer use “7 nm+” to describe a successive iteration of 7 nm after TSMC formally defined its EUV-based N7+ process – which Zen 3 isn’t actually using. TSMC has three versions of its 7 nm process: N7: the basic initial version using “DUV”-only tools (no EUV) N7P: the second generation version of N7, which is also only DUV N7+: EUV version of N7 for a number of layers in the metal stack The roadmap also confirmed that Zen 4 would release by 2022. This generation is especially exciting because it marks Ryzen’s debut on the 5 nm node, which should bring significant performance and power improvements. As for the more distant future, Papermaster teased a stacking technology called “X3D” packaging. AMD believes that this will increase bandwidth density by as much as ten times. What is new knowledge ..... AMD is not going with each separate step of the TSMC lithograpy shrinks, but is going to skip the 7nm+ lithography stage (while still using the extra lithography burn levels that the 7nm+ process equipment can give them as the extra layers are a real advantage when building a processor) AMD is instead going to be doing a lot of the connection leg work on a processor stacking technology, spending the "skip a weak TSMC generation" time working out all the stacking details in advance of the 5nm lithography wave which takes place the very next year. http://https://d1sxg8jua9jde6.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/CPU-Technology-IP-Overview_AMD-FAD-2020_For-Distribution_Page_14-1-1024x576.jpg Interestingly, AMD will still remain several generations ahead of Intel by doing this, adding a massive amount of new core counts to their chipsets (making them all threadrippers in essence). Cooling these stacked up CPUs will likely require a new cooling technology since they are stacked up on top of each other with the bottom ones located too far away from a soldered in place heat sink for it to work well. Commentors in the comments below theorize about the use of an oil based cooler that seals to the chipset using an "O" ring gasket, a solution which sounds potentially complicated to me. 5nm lithography is twice as nice and the associated improved liquid cooling may mean even higher performance speeds, which is always a good thing. Doubling or trebling or quadrupling the number of cores doesn't hurt either. Getting 10 times the bandwidth density on communicating with each core means lots & lots more throughput which makes your PC act a lot more like a mainframe chipset. AMD will have better than 5 mhz processor speeds on top of it all, too. So, Intel has a series of very real challenges headed their way AMD is simply going to continue to improve by leaps and bounds while Intel has to make up more & more dubious and dodgy 14nm responses that never seem to reach physical reality ...... Reminder ..... 5nm is about 1/3 the size of 14nm ::) |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/16/20 at 03:28:42 It looks like Passmark has made the "adjustments" that they promised earlier (just so as to get back in line with reality). https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html this a big list, so click on it to view it Do you think Intel will correct all their BS advertising that they had done based on the "more than twisted" previous listings? Naw ..... they paid good money for Passmark to make up that BS ad fodder. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/23/20 at 19:54:30 https://liliputing.com/2020/04/lilbits-391-better-wifi-and-arm-based-macs.html https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-23/apple-aims-to-sell-macs-with-its-own-chips-starting-in-2021 5nm next year marks the start of ARM coming up strongly against Intel (and coming out against AMD too, incidentally). Remember, AMD will still be in there with a 5nm competitor chipset, but so far Intel will not have a 5nm competitor (but Intel claims to have some new "future plans" to make up one late next summer ......) ARM itself has is now licensing out that 5nm Big-Little tech that is now available to everybody so you can make up whatever you want, be it a mainframe or laptop or desktop or whatever processor ---- so since Intel has a full ARM design license already Intel really has NO EXCUSE other than "dinosaur bean picker thinking" to blame for missing this particular boat yet again. We also read that Apple is going to go with the same big-LITTLE approach that ARM recommends, basically using the mostly stock "dual sized cores" ARM approach that is being used by ARM in the new mainframe chipsets and elsewhere. The first Mac processors will have eight high-performance cores, codenamed Firestorm, and at least four energy-efficient cores, known internally as Icestorm. Apple is exploring Mac processors with more than 12 cores for further in the future, the people said. As such, with the cores produced on TSMC's 5nm lithography lines customers can expect some really great processing power to happen for them at very minimal power usages. This is standard ARM licensed stuff, so every cell phone maker can get into this action and help to cremate Intel's moribund obsolete bloated corpse very very quickly. Note that AMD will be in there from the very start, competing in this 5nm market against Apple and all of the larger cell phone guys. All this tends to explain Apple's latest push for new benchmarking standards that treat Apple's A-14 chipsets fairly and it also explains Intel's current active abandonment of the existing benchmarking standards bodies and all forms of marketing honesty. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 04/30/20 at 11:02:13 https://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2020/01/the-first-batch-or-apples-faster-5nm-a14-processors-from-tsmc-recorded-a-breakthrough-yield-exceeding-80.html http://https://www.patentlyapple.com/.a/6a0120a5580826970c0240a4b3df9b200c-800wi The First Batch or Apple's Faster 5nm A14 processors from TSMC recorded a Breakthrough Yield exceeding 80% According to new media reports from Taiwan, TSMC's 5nm process has recently made a major breakthrough, and the trial yield has exceeded 80% for Apple's A14 processor, laying the foundation for the introduction of mass production in the next quarter. TSMC has previously stated publicly that its 5nm efficiency has surpassed Samsung's 3nm. This is nice, but is unconfirmed at this time. By TSMC's own measurements, when compared to TSMC 7nm, the TSMC 5nm transistor density is 5nm is 1.8 times higher, the speed is increased by 15%, and the power consumption is reduced by 30%. Now you get more of a flavor for Apple's recent attempts to get a very good, unbiased, very real and un-bribable source for processor benchmarking. Apple is prepping a game changer and needs unbiased measurements so it can shine vs Intel and AMD. Obviously Passmark simply isn't that benchmarking source any longer ...... Passmark is just sad and greedy and always ready to take a bribe from Intel. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/06/20 at 22:46:25 https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/6/21054007/amd-7nm-ryzen-4000-cpu-ces-2020-intel-competition-laptop-processors-zen-2 https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-ryzen-4000 http://https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/0ISUZkjtVgLLBSLGh0X7BpWRaWk=/0x0:1324x806/920x0/filters:focal(0x0:1324x806):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/19579846/Screen_Shot_2020_01_06_at_5.15.32_PM.png There are rumors that AMD's Mobile 4000 will be based on TSMC's new 7nm EUV (extreme ultraviolet) process, similar to what's rumored to be seen with Nvidia Ampere. If this is true, the processors could be much more power efficient, which could see clock speeds see a sizable bump - which could seriously threaten Intel's chips in the gaming scene. Another thing that could make Intel start sweating is the rumor that with Ryzen 4000, AMD may introduce more powerful hyperthreading, with each physical core having four simultaneous processing threads, as opposed to the two found on today's silicon. This is a rumor we'd definitely take with a grain of salt, but if it's true it could even further widen the gap between AMD and Intel when it comes to multi-threaded workloads. So, what does Covid19 summer bring to us for AMD vs Intel action? Intel's 10nm (7nm ???) is out now, swinging lots of very strange Passmark benchmarking shenanigans and some "Intel optimization" changes that don't really change anything much once you get away from the monkey'd up benchmarks Intel was pushing off on everybody. Even the very latest Passmark version 9c now shows existing AMD chipsets running faster than Intel's newest and best using a just released "impartial version" of the benchmark which was created to satisfy the outrage from the consumer performance fan base. Come October of this year AMD will release the very last of the 7nm+ Ryzen 4000 laptop chipsets with a very quick sell through planned for the generation as the 5nm wave will sweep it all away next year --- 5nm will be really really big coming out from Apple, Huwawei and Mediatek all at the same time, followed by AMD's chiplets being run on the same process as soon as it clears off enough room for the protracted AMD runs. Once built, AMD's 5nm chiplets can go into mainframe rack chipsets, Threadripper high end consumer chipsets and the sorted out slower ones will go into the first shipped Consumer Ryzen desktop versions. Watch out for two main things at 5nm AMD consumer release next year in 2021 ....... thread counts may jump up to double to what you are used to seeing per core, and the raw CORE COUNTS themselves may quadruple as well. On chip memory buffers will grow by 6x in size as more layers for burned on silicon memory will happen with the latest 5nm production systems. Integrator / board builders can take the size and efficiency changes as 30+% energy efficiency increases and the 20% CPU thermal improvements as a mixture of either/or much better battery life or as a large processing through-speed boost, depending on the intended use of the product. This huge upsurge in core count and throughput will all be worked out in mainframe and rack space uses first, where it gives the very greatest benefit for the dollar spent, while the eventual Consumer Ryzen stuff may actually see a shifting changing consumer market where the new 5nm ARM chipsets from the phone boys have altered the landscape a good bit simply by being MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper while still being quite powerful compared to what we have now today. Consumers aren't really using the recent throughput increases really as the software base hasn't changed enough to utilize it much at all yet. So expect "cheap and good" to be what sells next year as everything will be powerful enough compared to the uses to which consumers are putting it. AMD may find themselves just out there with everybody else, dancing on the hot coals right along with the phone boys, jest a hopping and skipping on top of the glowing coals that is all that is left from the same industry wide wild fire that has just finally cremated Intel. =================================================== Harsh Truth Time Intel isn't going anywhere. Intel is still selling most of what gets sold due to their market binding legal agreements and until country by country these agreements are abrogated by the local courts then Intel isn't going anywhere no matter how sorry their products actually become. Next fact ---- Intel always has a lot of money on hand and Intel could spend their way out of trouble at will by dropping multiple 10s of billions of dollars on it. I am reminded of the 20 billion dollars Intel dropped on price supports for the 20nm and 28nm "phone chips" they created while attempting to take over the phone market with ATOM chipsets ...... Intel could patch their lack of technology problems with multiple layers of greenbacks laid on top of non-competitive CPU designs (same old Intel garbage in other worlds). Intel has re-tooled their 14 nm and 10 nm and 7nm production lines several times each now ....... just not making as much progress as you would think by spending all that money. Intel's bean pickers simply dance to an internal music we cannot understand. But Intel isn't out of business and Intel isn't massively behind on making money, which is what Intel is all about after all. So Intel is fine, just peachy fine just the way it is according to the people running it. http://https://urbanviewsweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/main-qimg-f7d412e7526b4a04a450a9efd3142ee9-c.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/16/20 at 05:36:25 https://hexus.net/tech/news/industry/142480-list-tsmc-5nm-customers-orders-published/ http://https://hexus.net/media/uploaded/2020/5/718b0532-c954-4255-8193-0459514782af.png List of TSMC 5nm customers and their orders published in South Korea tech magazine First production runs have ended successfully with very high production sorting rates (over 80% fully acceptable). Major implementation of the new 5nm lines at TSMC is a go at this time. http://https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXuzGcuU0AE3r_2?format=png&name=small You can see that TSMC's 5nm node allocation will be split by Apple and Huawei this year (2020). These orders are expected to generate 10 per cent of all TSMC revenue this year. Apparently TSMC is confident it is the only foundry that can mass produce and supply 5nm chips this year. As we move into 2021, Commercial Times sources indicate that TSMC N5 orders will "explode". In the table above you can see a long list of customers and specific orders. Highlights for PC enthusiasts include; AMD Zen 4 CPUs and RDNA 3 GPUs, Nvidia Hopper GPUs, and Intel Xe GPUs. Smartphone aficionados will be similarly excited at the prospects of 5nm Snapdragon 875 and Apple A15 processors on the way. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/18/20 at 09:10:18 https://liliputing.com/2020/05/tsmc-to-cease-business-with-huawei-following-us-order.html TSMC to cease business with Huawei following US order Chinese electronics company Huawei’s future looks bleaker than ever. The company is a major player in the telecommunications industry and has risen to prominence in the consumer space recently thanks to a series of well-regarded smartphones. But a series of actions from the US government in recent years have lefts countries around the world wary of using Huawei networking equipment, and recent Huawei smartphones have shipped without the Google Play Store and Play Services, since Google isn’t working directly with the company anymore either. Now Huawei may also have a hard time manufacturing chips for its own devices, as Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co (TSMC) has announced it will no longer be filling new orders for Huawei. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/huawei-logo.jpg The move comes a few days after the US government issued an order blocking companies outside of the United States from doing business with Huawei (if they’re also using US technology). As Nikkei points out, the move could hurt TSMC — Huawei is the the company’s second biggest client. But violating the US order could hurt the company even more — the company’s biggest customers is the US-based Apple. Meanwhile Huawei is likely going to be looking for other manufacturing partners, but there aren’t a lot of good options. Samsung would likely be subject to the same US government regulations, and China’s SMIC (Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation) is far behind the TSMC when it comes to manufacturing capacity and technology. It’s certainly possible that the Trump administration could ease restrictions on Huawei and/or other Chinese companies such as ZTE as part of ongoing trade negotiations with China. And it’s also possible that a change in US leadership could also lead to a change in US/China relations when it comes to technology. But US skepticism of Huawei pre-dates the Trump Administration. Engadget has a partial timeline, including the time in 2008 when Huawei decided not to buy 3Com because of US concerns, and the time in 2012 when a Congressional report suggested tight ties between Huawei and the Chinese government (claims which Huawei disputes). But with Huawei virtually cut off from Google, TSMC, ARM, and other key partners at this point, things definitely don’t look good for the company right now. Anybody want to place some "fill in the blank" orders for 5nm chipsets to be produced at TSMC starting next week? You see, TSMC has this sudden 50% opening in their year 2020 5nm production schedule ........ Naw, this is thought is wrong because most of what Hwawei sells is in China and India, etc. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by jcstokes on 05/18/20 at 13:37:32 Is it pronounced WHOAREWE? |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/20/20 at 21:08:12 hwa....way speeded up it comes out wa..way |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/22/20 at 09:57:20 Apple A-14 first test units are out ...... over 3 mhz and better chipset throughput than the iPad Pro using an Intel chipset. Hold on to your shorts, Intel, when the benchmark tests roll in you may find you are actually wearing a hospital gown with the back wide open ...... |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/25/20 at 07:49:12 https://wccftech.com/intel-2021-2029-process-roadmap-10nm-7nm-5nm-3nm-2nm-1nm-back-porting/ http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Intel-Process-Manufacturing-Roadmap-2021-2029-10nm-7nm-5nm-3nm-2nm-1.4nm-1030x615.jpg Note: this is not a roadmap nor a product plan --- it is a design philosophy at best. So, Intel fires back at Apple's announcements, basically saying that Intel has NO PLANS TO EVER COMPETE with anybody ever again. Intel is now defining themselves by their new "slow reaction" plans to only adopt new lithography and chip processing technology 2-3 YEARS behind the lithography leaders. So, Intel isn't spending a penny on their own processor lines until any new technologies become completely mature ..... i.e. until they have been actually replaced by a "new current technology" and the selected techs have become totally mature and fixed by passage of time. Somebody else will spend risk capital to develop these techs. Intel is being completely run by bean pickers that will play no part in expanding new technologies anywhere. 14nm to 10nm to 7nm to 5nm to 3nm in The Next 10 Years Starting off with the process roadmap, Intel will be following a 2-year cadence for each major node update. We got a soft launch of 10nm (10nm+) in 2019 which will be followed by 7nm in 2021, 5nm in 2023, 3nm in 2025, 2nm in 2027 and 1.4nm in 2029. What's interesting here is that this 2-year cadence is referred to as the optimal cost-performance path by Intel themselves. So it would be Intel's priority to follow this path, but there's also a yearly cadence for the + / ++ nodes that offer more performance leverage and scalability opportunities on an existing node. Before we talk about the optimized nodes for each process, we should focus on the key features that each major node update has to offer. For 7nm, Intel is saying the biggest feature is that it is made using EUV (Extreme ultraviolet lithography) technology. Similarly, all other major nodes will come with new features, but Intel hasn't explicitly stated what new features we could expect. At the same time as Intel introduces their 10nm++ products, they will also have production and launch planned for their next-gen 7nm process node. The 10nm and 7nm nodes were already detailed by Intel during their 2019 Investors Meeting. Me, I think Intel is banking on all those very restrictive legal agreements that folks signed up for in order to get Intel chips at all, forgetting the standard boiler plate in those agreements that says the customer can jump ship selectively if Intel does not have a current technology item to ship to them in a timely fashion. When ARM based chipsets grow up a bit more and become more prevalent and competitive in the marketplace, at that point in time not being able to buy Intel Inside will not be the showstopper that it was in the past. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 05/26/20 at 06:18:32 https://liliputing.com/2020/05/arms-next-gen-chip-designs-to-boost-efficiency-sustained-performance-cortex-a78-cpu-mali-g78-gpu-and-more.html It all just got a lot better for you ----- everywhere !!! Fast on the heels of Apple and Intel stating their very divergent pathways, we got the full read on the Apple announced new generations of ARM based chipsets. As always, ARM will not announce anything until the first mover (who pays big bucks for this exclusivity) comes out with their announcements. Apple has done their announcements at this time. So now ARM is now free to define all the various bits and pieces in a full public fashion ....... :o wow So Apple says "full speed ahead, here are the next two generations of Apple progress for this year and next year" and Intel in turn has said "we aren't budging an inch until two more generations have passed and this new 5nm technology is totally mature -- until then it is 14nm for all of you Intel Inside idiots". Now ARM comes out of the closet and explains it all in some detail...... The new ARM Cortex-A78 CPU, Mali-G78 and GMali-G68 GPU, and Ethos-N78 neural processing unit are likely to show up in devices shipping next year, if not sooner. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/arm_03-700x390.jpg ARM Cortex-A78 ARM says a 5nm ARM Cortex-A78 CPU offers 20-percent better sustained performance than a previous-gen Cortex-A77 core while consuming the same amount of power. In other words, you’re 20-percent less likely to see speeds drop at the processor gets hot. The company says Cortex-A78 chips can also offer up to a 30-percent boost in peak single-core performance when used with ARM’s new Cortex-X1 custom program. And as usual, these high-performance CPU cores can be combined with lower-performance, more energy-efficient CPU cores in the same chip. In this case, ARM says you may see big.LITTLE chips that combine Cortex-A78 and Cortex-A55 cores. ARM Mali-G78 and Mali-G68 ARM is promising up to a 25-percent performance boost in its new flagship-class Mali-G78 GPU, while using less power than its predecessors. The GPU also supports between 7 and 24 graphics cores. The chip designer is also introducing a “sub-flagship” version called Mali-G68 which has many of the same features, but tops out at 6 graphics cores. ARM says we’ll see “sub-flagship” devices with Mali-G68 graphics in 2021. Ethos-N78 According to ARM, compared with the previous-gen Ethos-N77 NPU, we can expect: 100-percent boost in peak performance 25-percent boost in performance efficiency 40-percent better bandwidth efficiency AND IT GETS BETTER !!!!! The ARM X-1 processor is out now too at a 22% to 30% throughput improvement compared to the very best of what is being sold today and this means A-77 and A-78 are being bettered by X-1 !!!!! All of the new generations of ARM server chipsets, the ARM workstation chipsets, the Personal Computer chipsets and the Phone chipsets will all share in this bounty of betterment. If your Android and other operating systems actually use the AI features that are built into ARM you can expect a slice of that 100% boost in peak performance that the new ARM processor sets can bring. The best way to get the full interrelated picture is to let Gary explain it all to you by watching this YouTube explanation ...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqerGRFwxFg I strongly suggest taking the 20 minutes to watch this Gary Explains session. The changes at ARM are VERY LARGE and very interrelated. Also, the companies that participated in the X-1 program will now get all sorts of advantages beyond what has been announced so far --- and by inference these X-1 builder guys and the Neoverse guys (rack space and mainframe guys) are totally busting out of the Intel "totally locked down" world and they are likely going to be going with ARM out into the future as Intel simply has no new Intel roadmap plans for the next two years. And Gary mentions ARM PCs and new ARM mainframe uses of the new ARM technologies --- this too is imminent and will act to disrupt the current x86 dominance. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/01/20 at 08:33:07 https://www.tomshardware.com/features/amd-vs-intel-cpus This is the exhaustive, once per year processor comparison that Tom's Hardware does to rank all production processors. This 20 page article (with many exhaustive references) is what most pundits use to rank what is available for real in any yearly comparisons that they do. This ranking excludes any of the promised Intel products that didn't make it into reality (as one in four Intel processors are wont to do nowadays) so do not be surprised to see entire families of Intel chipsets fail to make an appearance. It does not apply any of the current mitigations for various security issues (as I wish it did) as that would take Intel completely out of the running. Any Intel wins are always by less than 10 percentage points, while applying Intel mitigations would remove ~20%~ of Intel's "reported performance" across the board (and that would knock Intel's wins down to perhaps only 1 win as "drivers and software" are the only thing that would not be affected). Lastly, Tom's ranks this year by not-warmed-up totally cold processor performance (a trick which Intel relies upon) as any test results beyond the magic minute have to reflect BIOS thermal throttling which again would knock Intel down by about ~15-20%~. NOTE PLEASE --- AMD uses stock in the box fan and heat sink based cooling in all tests and posts all processor results after 5 minutes of warm up and with any resulting fully warmed up processor throttling being firmly in place. We wish Intel was as honest as AMD in all their testing and reporting. AMD vs Intel CPUs Intel AMD CPU Pricing and Value [ch10007] Gaming Performance [ch10007] Content Creation/Productivity [ch10007] Specifications [ch10007] Overclocking [ch10007] (requires specialty motherboard and liquid cooling which Intel does not supply) Power Consumption [ch10007] Drivers and Software [ch10007] Process Node [ch10007] Architecture [ch10007] Security [ch10007] Winner: AMD Totals 3 7 Final points, Tom's Hardware giving Intel a Win for having "drivers and software" is completely bogus for two reasons. AMD uses industry standard drivers in all cases because they PUT their drivers into those industry standards while designing and building the first prototype processors. By the time the processors reach the full production stage, several trial lots and whatever driver tweeking that was needed has already been done and is already fully incorporated into the applicable standards. Next, unlike Intel, AMD doesn't have to tweek their drivers 3 times a year just to be able to claim some sort of bogus short term "advantage" over AMD's competition like Intel does --- AMD does not need bogus short term "created advantages", they (AMD) have sizable real advantages coming on all the time. AMD really does beat Intel on all points using stock motherboards, stock coolers, using fully warmed up processors and using industry standard drivers for whatever OS standard you choose to use. ,,,,,, that is the simple truth about the whole thing as it currently sits at 7nm. Next year at 5nm Intel will start losing out to the phone boys too, due to very large 5nm process advantages that will ring in with ARM 5nm very very shortly. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/03/20 at 05:54:12 https://liliputing.com/2020/06/lenovo-now-offers-linux-on-all-of-its-workstation-pcs-desktop-and-laptop.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/lenovo-linux-687x500.jpg After years of offering Linux as an option for some of its workstation computers, Lenovo has announced that starting later this month all of its ThinkStation desktop and ThinkPad P Series laptops will be available with a choice of Windows, Ubuntu LTS, or Red Hat Enterprise Linux. To be clear, there was nothing stopping customers from purchasing a system with Windows and then replacing the operating system with their GNU/Linux distribution of choice. HOWEVER, YOU WILL BE PAYING CIRCA $80 FOR THE WINDOWS LICENSE YOU ARE THROWING AWAY BY DOING IT ALL YOURSELF. But now that Lenovo is offering certified support for Ubuntu and Red Hat, you can be pretty sure you won’t have to jump through hoops to make sure you have all the proper drivers for your hardware and you will not be paying for a MS Windows instance you are planning to scrap. Lenovo says it’ll also be offering dedicated upstream device drivers for inclusion into the Linux kernel, which should help with long-term support (and which should also help if you opt for a different Linux-based operating system). The many folks in the Far East are finding the ever more sizable MS Windows tax to be "undeserved" as several Lenovo certified versions of Linux offer equal to "better business" usages for FAR LESS MONEY SPENT. Plus, Linux doesn't break itself repeatedly due to pure carelessness like Windows does. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/09/20 at 11:30:43 https://liliputing.com/2020/06/bloomberg-apple-could-announce-arm-based-mac-chips-at-wwdc.html Bloomberg: Apple could announce ARM-based Mac chips later this month. After years of rumors and speculation that Apple would eventually ditch Intel and start making its own processors for Mac computers, Bloomberg reports that Apple is almost ready to make the move — and could make an official announcement later this month. An earlier Bloomberg report suggested that the first Mac processor will be a 12-core ARM-based processor featuring 8 high-performance “Firestorm” CPU cores and 4 energy-efficient “Icestorm” cores, and the most recent report indicates that we can also expect some special-purpose cores for graphics and neural processing/artificial intelligence. We now know a lot more about ARM's PC capable cores and it appears that Apple is using slightly tweeked ARM standard cores in various combinations to achieve their long time goal of getting away from Intel. Both Apple and Qualcomm are making their first moves now with the larger oriental phone boys holding back a tad until the primo pricing from ARM drops a bit. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by jcstokes on 06/09/20 at 13:53:09 If, I did buy a Lenovo laptop in a few months time, would the Mint Cinamon Sonya work on it. I don't know any thing about Red Hats or Fedoras? |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/09/20 at 20:44:12 JC, In buying one of these store bought Linux computers please be aware of two things. YOU NEED TO BUY THE UBUNTU VERSION IF YOU PLAN TO FLIP IT TO MINT. Next, unless you just want a new unit, it still is most cost effective to keep what you have and only upgrade individual components as that becomes needed. Next. now since you are getting past the "I need to be able to dual boot Win 10 to feel safe" stage, suddenly all sorts of used older machines become available to you for peanuts. Once you know that sticking in your current Mint DVD will generally fix any issues with any old piece of crap you have lying around you realize you can pick up an older unit and revitalize it for the same effort as just letting Mint fully install itself and take over the entire hard drive. You are beginning to realize that MS intentionally "breaks" your old hardware on purpose in hopes that you will buy a brand new MS rig to fix all your MS installed reliability issues. Simply installing Linux is sooooo much better and soooooo much cheaper than buying a new Windows PC ........ I mentioned my wife's last machine was a bought on purpose old Dell 780 big desktop tower unit that was running a very early version of Windows 10 Pro (one that does not get anything other than critical bug upgrades) ..... I bought it a year or so ago with 10 years of use on it for a princely sum of $69 ---- and that box is still running great at this time and meets all my wife's needs as it is. She will never need another computer ever again ..... I am also amazed at all the technical progress you can buy embodied in a used machine for those "less than $100 prices". I splurged and upgraded her memory to 8 gigs for $10 additional total investment, so her Intel quad core processor is now memory stuffed full as a tick for any use that she will ever have for it. My wife is fully retired now and only heats up her big Dell to retrieve and to resend some school files to one of her old teacher buddies, apart from that she can live very handily on her Android phone and on her Fire 8 tablet both of which are sitting in pocket holders at her TV seat in the den. During her last 6 months of COVID teaching, she was teaching from home through her old big box Dell and she was using my even older Dell Linux Mint box as her disaster backup. What her and her buddies really really liked was that my Mint box could read their "broken" unreadable files off their USB memory sticks and could bulk recover the files off of them. Ditto for all those "bad files" from earlier revisions that MS Office simply wouldn't open any longer. Linux Libre Office isn't using MS to read those files, and Linux Libre Office can read and write any of the old file type versions of MS Office, a trick MS wants to sell you a $400 Office Adder Pack to be able to do the older translations in Windows now-a-days. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/10/20 at 21:02:29 https://liliputing.com/2020/06/windows-10-feature-experience-packs-will-let-microsoft-update-some-features-without-major-os-updates.html Those who have used Linux a while are somewhat familiar with Ubuntu Snaps and Fedora Flatpacks as a means of updating a piece of complex software that requires a lot of updated drivers and such to make sure the improvement part of the complex software works "right" -----and to be completely assured that it works correctly right off the bat. Microsoft has realized that this is a good idea and has built their first attempts at doing the Mickey version of this good open source Flatpack idea. MS has a simple goal of getting their stuff to work better by clustering all the needed drivers and such in the Experience Pack along with the software upgrade itself along with a boot order file that keeps the boot sequence right each time you start up the software. So far folks say the load times do certainly go up as you have to reload a goodly portion of the OS itself during the program's elongated software boot process, but that it works OK in the end. This is simply the price you pay to get MS to work better for you. Hopefully, this will stop MS Windows OS from completely borking itself at the increased rates that have been occurring over the last year or two. Windows 10 Feature Experience Packs will let Microsoft update some features without major OS updates Microsoft has quietly begun testing a new way to deliver updates to some Windows apps and features without pushing a full operating system update. According to ZDNet’s Mary Jo Foley, some users are starting to see a new “Windows Feature Experience Pack” mention in their System Settings. And while Microsoft hasn’t publicly said much about what that means, it appears to include a small bundle of applications including updated versions of the Windows Snipping tool, text input panel, and shell suggestions. The Feature Experience Pack is listed in the “Features on Demand” section of Microsoft’s Windows 10 documentation for PC manufacturers. But aside from the fact that it’s a 44.15MB package available for Windows 10, versions 2004 and later, there’s not much information on that page. Foley suggests that the pack could be part of an effort to separate the Windows 10 user interface and core set of apps from the Windows 10 Core OS. But it’s unclear what that will mean in the long run. Overall, this reminds me of the way Google has been separating key components of Android from the operating system so that it can push updates through the Google Play Store as soon as they’re available instead of waiting for a major OS update. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/11/20 at 09:52:52 Now a retrospect on Linux Mint Mint was born because Ubuntu screwed the pooch really big time in running off after an Apple/MS look & feel and also by chasing some very modern Gnome versions of systems stuff that quite simply were not yet quite ready for prime time. Originally, Mint just used last year's Ubuntu Gnome and then simply stayed back one-two year levels in Gnome space in general, yes just one-two years back in time going back to when everything worked seamlessly and well. Then Clem and the boys added back in all the current proprietary drivers and good stuff that their users wanted, and they carefully blended the new stuff right into the distro itself, not just tacked on at the end the way Ubuntu did it. Then Mint got the idea of STAYING on the most recent best most stable Ubuntu Gnome LTS Release and using it as their core for the next 3 years running before picking the next best of the best of the "current Ubuntu LTS crop" all over again. This acted to buffer out all the wild direction swings coming out of Shuttleworth's egomanical gyrations over at Ubuntu Central. This has continued for on 10 years now with Mint staying focused on what their users wanted and adding entire levels of polish to the very best stuff that Ubuntu had put out. Thus Mint became "the most popular distro" for over 5 years running by doing this very simple customer based "polish the best of the best" focus ..... Ubuntu folks as a group weren't stupid, and Mark Shuttleworth got point blank told by his own people to stop with all his "dictator for life" egotistical crap and to crank up a ruling council of all the sub-distros that ran off of Ubuntu and to only do those things that the whole council wanted done. Thus, all the sub-distros were used as a functional handbrake on Shuttleworth's egomaniac direction swings. In the last 3 years, this council has lead Ubuntu as a mass group in some very correct directions and Ubuntu has improved to the point that arguably Mint is no longer as direly needed a thing like it used to be. Then Mark Shuttleworth's egomania got loose again just recently and he went and got into bed with Microsoft in a big big way, so now Linux Mint is feeling needed all over again. Microsoft and Intel have a Clear Linux of their very own now and it is becoming evident that MS has realized Windows 10 using MS code is going to be "too broken to survive" for too much longer. Clear Linux offers Wintel a path forward that allows them to ditch all the Windows Legacy crap that has been such a burden on MS these past 10 years or so. Shuttleworth and Ubuntu are key elements in the Wintel boys plans for future world dominance, so you can watch that situation unfold over the next 5 years or so ...... Wintel intends to sell you a free FOSS software that they have tweeked so it gives somewhat better test results --- and then they want to charge you a yearly fee to "keep it running well". Meanwhile, any MS tweek worth the effort to take has already been incorporated into the Linux Kernel by Linus and his boys --- yep, all the goody has already gone off into everybody's Linux stuff already. Plus, by incorporating Linux code into Clear Linux, Linus and his boys now have legal access to all the various parts of Clear Linux that have been locked up by secrecy until now. (put FOSS code into your stuff and your old stuff legally becomes FOSS code from then on). As old style Intel and MS (Wintel) slowly winds down you will see things begin to shift in new ways, with ARM processors becoming more predominant with mainstream users ....... with RISC-V chipsets then rising up to be the new "upstart threats" to the new old school boys. Linux is simply better stuff that works better at this point in time ...... as such Linux will become more and more predominant over time, with Intel and Microsoft using Mark Shuttleworth as their "pet mouthpiece" simply because Mark Shuttleworth needs his ego stroked continually by somebody ...... and Wintel desperately needs the Linux community and all their various better running software simply to continue to survive for the next 10 years. ;) |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/12/20 at 18:52:25 How come Clear Linux tests faster than the distro (Ubuntu) that it is made from? This is interesting. several Linux savants have investigated this "fact" and the results are somewhat interesting to read about. Yes, Clear Linux tests faster than the Ubuntu it is made from ....... but why ????? The compiler used in Clear Linux is a MS product that was hand tweeked for this one use. The Linux environment that is booted in Clear is a carefully tweeked Linux environment. Both are tweeked to give better test results when you run the most common speed tests currently used for the relatively few Linux speed reporting softwares. Ars Techica and others point out that if you run Ubuntu 18.04 inside this same tweeked environment you get basically "same same" results as Clear Linux. Ars also reports that real world uses of the softwares involved give mixed win or lose results even it run in their "box stock -- as shipped' environments ---- open a different file, get a different result between the two tests. What does this really mean ????? Clear Linux does test marginally faster than the Ubuntu it is made from, but some of this is environmental illusions, i.e. smoke and mirrors. A much smaller amount of that better performance is real, but that smaller performance advantage comes and goes according to the task at hand. The best compiler and environment tweeks that have been found out by the Linux gurus various investigations have already been incorporated into the Linux Kernel now and these tweeks now automatically run on all the current versions of all the distros, by default. So, if you see anybody touting Clear Linux and and wanting to charge you for it, you are looking at a scamster at work. :P (Yeah, they are talking about you, Mark Shuttleworth ---- so drop your new buddies like the smokey hot rocks they are ---- they are costing you chunks out of your image and reputation.) |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/17/20 at 03:53:00 https://ir.amd.com/news-releases/news-release-details/amd-expands-3rd-gen-amd-ryzen-desktop-processor-family SANTA CLARA, Calif., June 16, 2020 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) Intel loses the single thread performance crown again .... yep, again .... Last time Intel lost the single thread performance crown Intel had IMMEDIATELY cheated on the Passmark benchmark test and had conspired with Passmark's CEO and CTO to tweek all the systems optimizations for the Passmark speed tests to totally favor Intel so that Passmark would once again report Intel as "being #1 on single thread performance" despite the processors themselves remaining completely unchanged. So AMD has replied to this muddled benchmarking mess by simply upping their AMD processor chiplet speed some more to take the single thread performance crown back again, legitimately, no matter which tests are used. AMD also issued fixes for any issues with their PCIe® 4.0 motherboards with a BIOS upgrade that fine tuned all the large numbers of extra width data pathways on their PCIe® 4.0 motherboards. This week AMD also announced the redesigned StoreMI PCIe® 4.0 storage acceleration software with a new UI and enhanced acceleration algorithm. And then AMD came out with a complete optimization driver package of their own that was a for serious, for real functional speed ups on all AMD motherboard functions ---- not just a simple smoke and mirrors tweek as Intel had done the previous quarter for their existing unchanged PCIe® 3.0 processors resting on Intel motherboards that totally lack any high speed extra wide PCIe® 4.0 data path sets or any of the other state of the art features. And then today AMD has announced a whole new line of simply faster more data efficient XT processors to use all of the above. -- Today, AMD announced three new additions to the 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen desktop processor family – the AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT, AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT and AMD Ryzen 5 3600XT processors. Introducing XT branding for the first time to the Ryzen family of processors, the new AMD Ryzen 3000XT desktop processors are purpose-built to maximize performance under any workload. Expanding on the award-winning 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen processor family, 3000XT series desktop processors are optimized with higher boost frequencies to deliver elite-level performance that dominates gaming and content creation. Today also marks worldwide availability of the AMD B550 chipset, the first mainstream chipset with support for PCIe® 4.0. Available in a variety of motherboard form factors, the AMD B550 chipset is perfect for high-speed performance in both gaming and multitasking. Additionally, AMD announced the A520 chipset for socket AM4 and 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen desktop processors with more than 40 designs in development. Alongside these new chipset and processors, AMD also announced the redesigned StoreMI storage acceleration software with a new UI and enhanced acceleration algorithm. “At AMD, we are committed to listening closely to our customers and the enthusiast community to deliver leadership products,” said Saeid Moshkelani, senior vice president and general manager, client business unit. “With AMD Ryzen 3000XT processors, we’re making additional optimizations to the 7nm manufacturing process to deliver industry leading single-thread performance and more choice and flexibility for enthusiasts.1” AMD Ryzen 3000XT Series Processors Building upon the legacy established by the 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen processor family, the 3000XT Series processors elevate the world-class “Zen 2” architecture with an optimized 7nm manufacturing process technology to offer higher boost frequency and increased performance at the same TDPs of their Ryzen 3000 counterparts. The AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT offers: Up to 4% increase in single-threaded performance over AMD Ryzen 3000 desktop processors Up to 40% more power efficiency than the competition NAME CORES/TREADS SPEED min/max SOCKET $$$ SHIP DATE AMD Ryzen™ 9 3900XT 12/24 Up to 4.7/3.8 70 105 AM4 $499 July 7, 2020 AMD Ryzen™ 7 3800XT 8/16 Up to 4.7/3.9 36 105 AM4 $399 July 7, 2020 AMD Ryzen™ 5 3600XT 6/12 Up to 4.5/3.8 35 95 AM4 $249 July 7, 2020 As TSMC gets better and better at making the AMD chiplets at 7nm, AMD has slowly ramped up on their assembled processor speeds and output power to reliably use some of the increases in AMD chiplet efficiency. This "performance ooze up" now has the 12 core Ryzen 9 running at speeds up at 4.7 ghz at the exact same price as before. The new performance levels (should you choose to run at them up that high as NOTHING that you currently do really requires that much 12 core grunt power anywhere in the consumer compute space) it will simply mean you have to use an improved aftermarket cooler. Once again, AMD ships with a Wraith cooler that can handle anything right up to next to the very very highest output settings, but if you max it all out to the max a better aftermarket cooler has to be part of that maxed to the max solution to keep your improved processor from throttling and snatching away that last 4% of gilt edge from your outrageous rig's performance. Why the need for the better cooler? AMD watts draw increases from 95 to 105 at the close to 5 ghz speeds up at the gilt edge zone. Intel watts draw starts out at 125-135 watts for a 10 core Comet Lake something or another that does not even get close to this 12 core AMD chipset's performance/efficiency/cost envelope. Can we say "splitting some fine hairs" three times fast ???? Interestingly, the next major TSMC production lithography bump to 5nm that is planned for early next year will put AMD's processor chiplet speeds at over 5 ghz with the 12 core's power draw all the way back down around 90-95 watts. You will likely not be paying a lot of attention to this wattage stuff at that point in time, as going from 2 threads per core to 4 threads per core and the large extra amount of on-chip memory space (memory is doubling/tripling) and the data path counts and data path width doubling on the data pathways, etc. etc. etc. will make a lot more of a splash next year when the 5nm chiplets and the new consumer and the new rack space processor architectures roll out. Big big changes are coming next year and AMD will outstrip Intel even further, at least as far next year as they did this past year. Right now AMD has a nice fat 40% multi-core throughput lead, a considerable 40% efficiency lead and a slight 4% win on single core throughput (that's right now, this week when comparing best to the best processors when both are using aftermarket coolers). Intel has nothing to compete with this, nothing at all --- neither real for right now nor theoretically planned for next year. And no, it does not look good for Intel as Intel cannot readily sell their latest processors right now because they really are strongly inferior to AMD's current offerings. And Intel is at least 20+% MORE EXPENSIVE than AMD at any comparative level. Things will get noticeably worse for Intel next year when the AMD 5nm chiplets roll out. It is certainly bad enough for Intel right now as they have already lost approximately half the "new design" desktop PC market at this point and are busy losing a third of the laptop market through the end of this year. Note most all graphics below tend to lag six months to a year due to large lags in the data sources ---- Mindshare data however does not lag more than a quarter or so, so you can use Mindshare sales data as a "trend predictor" for all the rest of the slower responding industry wide graphical metrics. https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-dominates-intel-in-cpu-sales-at-least-according-to-one-retailer https://www.techradar.com/news/amds-ryzen-cpu-sales-are-totally-destroying-intels-according-to-one-retailer https://www.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html https://hexus.net/business/news/components/143269-mindfactory-data-shows-amd-outselling-intel-87-13-per-cent/ |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/22/20 at 21:00:20 https://liliputing.com/2020/06/future-mac-computers-will-use-apple-silicon-chips.html Apple publicly dumps Intel processors The rumors were true, and during today’s WWDC event, Tim Cook at Apple confirmed that it will transition from using Intel chips to using its own Apple Silicon for upcoming Mac computers, with the Macs featuring ARM-based processors set to ship by the end of 2020. Apple has made this sort of transition before — moving from PowerPC to Intel x86 architecture around 15 years ago. Since then, the company has had a lot of experience developing chips for its iPhones and iPads. Now the company says it’ll begin making its own chips for Mac computers as well, allowing the company to integrate its hardware and software to ensure they work smoothly together. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/apple-silicon_03.jpg Apple CEO Tim Cook says the company expects the transition from Intel to Apple Silicon will likely take around two years to complete, which means that only a few ARM-based Macs will be available at first. The company still has at least a few more Intel-powered models in development that will ship in the coming year or two. So, Apple takes a very large step in re-owning all their systems and hardware functions. Now, in this next one year period we will see Apple using ARM tech to do full sized desktop graphics workstations and to run iPhones and iPads using the exact same software. Look to see Google march Android right on up this new scale of processor capability as it becomes available, probably using ChromeOS as their OS vehicle of choice. See MS making moves to conform to Apple standards and to join up, not spending any effort fighting with anybody. Mickey wants MS Office to be there waiting for you, seamlessly, when you buy into the new generation of Apple stuff. See general demand for Intel processors drop accordingly, with AMD actually fulfilling most of the roles as "x86 technical leader" while the new ranks of Intel bean picker managers specialize in extracting as much money as possible from their failing technological base for as long as they can ....... Intel will use "x86 standards manipulations" and their full bag of dirty tricks more and more and more since they have no real advancements in anything else to use at this point in time. The computer press does not like the new Intel very much, so I suspect we will hear about each new foray into Intel black bag business practices as they take place. Huawei gets left out in the cold, as this is 100% all brand new American developed tech that unless Huawei uses their industrial spy networks to get it Huawei will never legally see any of it. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/23/20 at 07:58:39 Various irate BS discussions on various boards indicates a changing viewpoint on Intel's integrity. Intel responds with Tiger Lake and Comet Lake, chipsets that are claimed by Intel to be comparable to AMD's best and Apple's best. Ditto for the laptop Lakefield that just came out. Neither are really competitive at all ..... even using Intel's Foveros technique of stacking whole chipsets on top of each other. Judging solely from the AMD match up to 10nm Comet Lake and the fact that Tiger Lake is still an older 14nm technology Intel simply does not have what they claim to have in "comparable processors". Apple will roll out 5nm chipsets faster than anybody else (Apple actually paid to develop the 5nm TSMC pc chip sized processes and they will get first call on the larger PC production capacity lines at TSMC for at least one more year). This means that after 6 years Intel is still throwing up 14nm chipsets and "still has yield issues" on their 10nm chipsets against much more technically capable competitors from AMD and Apple, competitors that get better and better on a two year cycle. Intel is lying constantly and pretty badly to their distributor and customer base (playing games with speed test optimizations and weaponizing every industry standard they can get control of) and Intel is now getting recognized now by the PC press for this sort of repeated evil BS. Apple is still calling for an impartial standards body to be created to develop new speed tests and new ranking methodologies, and if Apple and AMD wrest control of that standards body away from Intel then Intel will no longer be able to hide their "magic minute" 20-30% initial temperature throttling issues nor the 20% performance hit that Intel still takes from all of Intel's various security mitigations that are required due to all of Intel's past bad choices. The Intel customer base needs to have Intel's black bag taken away from them so they can finally clearly see the relatively poorer stuff they have been buying AT A PREMIUM PRICE for the last few years. Tom's Hardware now reports two numbers for Intel processor tests, one before warm up and one after the test chipset is fully warmed up. Intel has sic'd their crowds of lawyers after Tom's Hardware for reporting these numbers as Intel isn't even on the playing field to their latest speed and throughput claims once the chipsets warm up for a single minute. http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/Screenshot_at_2019-10-21_10-29-56_001.png This graphic is pretty old now, but information from last generation AMD vs the then current bogus Intel claims still shows the scope of the effect of the "magic minute" on Intel processor performance and the very strong need for benchmarking reforms. Various irate BS discussions on various boards indicates a changing viewpoint on Intel's integrity. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/23/20 at 21:46:47 https://www.anandtech.com/show/15869/new-1-supercomputer-fujitsus-fugaku-and-a64fx-take-arm-to-the-top-with-415-petaflops http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15869/20200513-3_575px.jpg http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15869/Top500_575px.png http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15869/Dr5i8w1XQAALIli_678x452.jpg http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15869/cdsv_575px.jpg OK, are ARM chipsets made with more or less standard ARM designs "powerful enough"? Yep, they actually make up the current most powerful supercomputer in the world right now. This ARM based computer is 4x more powerful than any previous super computers. So, Apple and Qualcomm are apparently chasing after the right rabbit so to speak, while Intel isn't even in the running and AMD is chasing a "not quite as good" alternative when building very very very powerful computers. The secret to the ARM supercomputers is lots & lots of cores with lots & lots of extra wide data paths swinging some really wide bandwidths and LOTS & LOTS of "local on chipset" memory combined with very low energy consumption and very low cooling requirements when compared to x86 computing. Note the laminated aluminum block style heat sink, no fins and no fans are needed on the worlds most powerful supercomputer ---- this is quite an advancement. This puppy would be a natural for water cooling on that large block style heat sink if more output was desired or needed ...... Remember what AMD piloted just last year with same-same chiplets that are used in both data centers, workstations and personal computing???? The wide data path advances in the most powerful ARM mainframe chipsets have been run on down into the cell phone space, lending all the technical advancements, low power consumption and low energy consumption to everything that is built with them. So, expect ARM to be a serious competitor in laptop, desktop and server uses. =================================================== AMD is beating the snot out of Intel, but AMD isn't paying any close attention to their real competition which is multi-multi core ARM processors. Intel is simply going totally limp right now and AMD has been sandbagging like crazy because they are conserving their next big move until Intel does something to beat up upon in a decisive fashion. 5nm ARM is here now ........ AMD/Intel is sandbagging on the whole "generational progress" thing while ARM (Apple and all the phone boys) are forging on ahead on 5nm at full speed. :-/ The ARM competition wave is starting up now in a serious fashion. Given one single full year of this constant Intel sandbagging action in the face of rapid ARM advancements both Intel and the "Intel focused" AMD will be history right along with Intel ....... AMD needs to shift its competitive focus away from Intel right now and start focusing on all the ARM competition that is out there. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/25/20 at 04:55:45 https://liliputing.com/2020/06/macs-with-arm-chips-wont-support-boot-camp.html http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/boot-camp.jpg?resize=1200%2C651&ssl=1 But things between Intel and Apple certainly look very strained and very very different with this move to ARM. As Apple prepares to launch the first Macs with Apple Silicon, the company already has a big lead over their competition. Benchmarks show that the chips used in recent iPhones and iPads outperform anything produced by Qualcomm, Samsung, Huawei, Mediatek, or other companies producing ARM chips for mobile devices. And since Apple makes both the hardware and software for its devices, it can make sure the operating system takes full advantage of the chips (and vice versa). Apple apparently feels that old Wintel software isn't worth the effort supporting it going forward ---- and that all the mass of software that was written for Wintel x86 simply isn't worth keeping --- at all. Considering the ongoing mass of security and functional issues that keep coming up from the use of legacy Wintel software, this is likely a good decision on Apple's part just to dump it all in the dust bin. My wife's Wintel computer has issues that crop up constantly at a relatively slow rate ...... and with the imminent death of Flash related items starting in a few months you are looking at another large wave of Wintel software indigestion heading right at you. Many old Wintel softwares had Adobe Flash in there as a background structural member ....... and these softwares will just stop working sporadically so planning to move over to another operating system starting right about now simply makes sense. Me. I'd go over to Linux as Linux supports your existing hardware and it will roll forward into the future just dandy with ongoing full support levels and it will COST A WHOLE LOT LESS than buying a whole new set of Apple stuff. My bet is you will see Clear Linux being pushed forward by the Wintel boys as their "future tech pathway" out of simple necessity. :P Remember, Wintel's pay me support for Clear Linux will cost you exactly what Windows 10 support did in years past .... and you will be paying MS $$$ to send you what is actually completely free FOSS software upgrades. ::) |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/26/20 at 16:26:56 https://www.notebookcheck.net/Exclusive-First-benchmarks-of-Intel-s-Lakefield-Hybrid-CPU-Innovative-or-unnecessary.477524.0.html Exclusive: First benchmarks of Intel's Lakefield Hybrid CPU - Innovative or unnecessary? Intel's new Lakefield processor is supposed to be a chip with a very low power consumption for slim devices like the Samsung Galaxy Book S or the Microsoft Surface Neo. Thanks to the low TDP of 7 Watts, the processor can be cooled passively. This is supposed to be Intel's x86 alternative for ARM processor like the Snapdragon 8cx we recently reviewed in the Samsung Galaxy Book S. The basic principle is comparable to the big.LITTLE design we know from ARM processors, where fast cores are combined with slower, but more efficient cores. For the new Lakefield processor Core i5-L16G7, intel combines a fast Sunny Cove core (up to 3.0 GHz), which is also used for modern 10 nm Ice Lake-U CPUs, with four efficient Tremont Atom cores (also 10 nm, up to 1.8 GHz). The hybrid processor also includes a fast integrated GPU. In theory, it is a fast Ice Lake iGPU (Gen. 11) with the designation Iris Plus Graphics G7 with 64 Execution Units, but the clock is much lower compared to regular 15W models (500 vs. 1100 MHz), so the performance is more comparable to a "regular" UHD Graphics 620. Tools like GPU-Z either show the iGPU as Lakefield GT2 or UHD Graphics. In addition to a fast Wi-Fi 6 module (AX200), Lakefield also supports Intel's XMM7560 LTE modem, but the latter is not included in the Samsung Galaxy Book S. The five cores of the Lakefield CPU do not support Hyperthreading, so each core can only execute one thread. The operating system decides how the load is distributed among the cores. In the tests, it is not easy to get specific information about the chip. The familiar tools only show the CPU load or the core clock. It is interesting that we can only see up to 2.4 GHz when we stress one core, and multi-core tests result in 100% load for four cores at ~1.9 GHz, while one core only shows 10% load at 200-300 MHz. Processor - Disappointing Single-Core Performance The single-core performance of the new chip is very disappointing, because the Lakefield processor even falls behind the old Amber Lake dual-core m3-8100Y. This is mainly caused by the low clock of up to 2.4 GHz, and we could not see the advertised value of 3.0 GHz so far. I like the conclusion of the review, that when you are running all 5 Intel Lakefield big little chip cores Lakefield just about equals the performance of the 14nm product from 6 years ago. Letting Lakefield monitor and adjust its own workload, it throttles off at least half the cores resulting in slower and somewhat laggy performance in order to save battery power. Intel promised 3 ghz speeds, but the reviewers only got 2.4 ghz during their testing and that was when Lakefield wasn't throttling like crazy. Not impressive, Intel, and SIMPLY NOT COMPETITIVE. AMD, Apple, Samsung and Qualcomm all do it better than you do right now. =================================================== https://liliputing.com/2020/07/lilbits-7-02-2020.html http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/lakefield_01.jpg?resize=526%2C500&ssl=1 Two weeks into shipping and all of the pundits have done their reviews -- 10nm Lakefield is more "same old same old" and Lakefield does not meet the 14nm performance of products from 4+ years ago. Intel’s new 10nm Lakefield processors represent a big step for the chip maker. Like ARM’s big.LITTLE technology, these chips combine two different types of CPU core into a single package, although Intel accomplishes this in a different way thanks to its relatively crude Foveros 3D chip stacking technology. The company has been talking about Foveros and Lakefield for more than a year, and last month Intel finally launched the first two chips. They’re 5-core processors that combine one Intel “Sunny Cove” high-performance CPU core with four energy-efficient “Tremont” cores. Theoretically that gives you a burst of power when you need it, but low power consumption for most tasks. But as AnandTech explains in its (very) deep dive into the new Lakefield architecture, in practice, it’s likely that devices with Lakefield chips won’t offer much of a performance boost over existing Amber Lake chips like the Intel Core i7-8500Y because most of the time you’re going to be relying on the lower-performance CPU cores. On the bright side, Lakefield chips do include a significant GPU upgrade — they feature Intel Gen11 graphics, compared to the Gen9.5 graphics you get with Amber lake chips. But that upgrade won’t necessarily help as much as you’d think, because the GPU will be clocked at just 500 MHz. The good news is that we can expect small chip and motherboard sizes, enabling PC makers to offer thin, light, and fanless devices with long battery life. But since we already know that some of the first Lakefield-powered devices will be premium computers like the Microsoft Surface Neo, Samsung Galaxy Book S, and Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Fold, it’s likely that customers will be underwhelmed by the price to performance ratio. =================================================== WILL 10nm LAKEFIELD'S FOVEROS PACKAGES EVER COMPETE WITH 7nm ARM ??? No, because of thermal throttling issues and heat transfer concerns due to the Intel stacking of several hot processors ....... No, because each layer of 10nm Lakefield takes up a chip's worth of wafer space, plus the backing plate connector and the top connecting plate, each of which cost another chip's area of silicon to build. Cost of 10nm Lakefield is quite out of line, especially considering the lack of performance you get out of that larger expense. Pudits right now say the just released Lakefield is well over a day late and a dollar short to AMD's latest 7nm low power laptop chipsets. This will not improve any at all when AMD drops to 5nm laptop chiplets and 5nm whole chipset (laptop) designs starting early next year. TSMC will build these new 5nm products on processes that can burn 4 to 14 layers thick into the original silicone wafer material ...... Intel will have to have TSMC to build their stuff for them if they are going to be competitive any at all going forward. AMD no longer sets the competitive pace anyway, Apple does. Will AMD change fast enough to beat Apple and the phone boys as they begin to slice up & dice up Intel's mortibund laptop and desktop turf? |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/27/20 at 01:34:17 https://liliputing.com/2020/06/microsoft-is-closing-all-of-its-retail-stores.html Microsoft is closing all of its retail stores http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/ms-store-sydney.jpg?w=1115&ssl=1 Almost 11 years after opening its first bricks and mortar retail store, Microsoft had 83 stores around the world at the start of this year. Microsoft says it will take a $450 million loss due to the closing of its stores. Now the company says it’s closing them all and instead shift its focus to online sales through the existing Microsoft.com as well as the Microsoft Store apps for Windows and Xbox. Sounds like MS is going to abandon all physical brick and mortar type sales of product and not have any real retail presence beyond the Best Buy and the Office Depot sorts of stores. If you won't buy an ongoing service agreement (Office 365, etc.) on-line then MS has no use for you, really. MS only wants to do "single item sales" now when you are buying a new computer ..... and then the start up routine of the brand new machine leads you into signing up with a MS ongoing service agreement (complete with nag screens that pop up to remind you to complete your sign up). I predict MS will start supplying a temporary 90 day license with the newly built machines, giving you just enough use time to go on-line and get all signed up with a Windows or Office 365 service package. A day will come when your machine will actually come with PoP OS (or some other Ubuntu derived software like Clear Linux) that is pre-loaded on the box itself simply to get you going long enough to get on line. And if you want to pay for Windows, well you can personally go to Mickey on line and sign your life away on your very own. Your machine builder will no longer want to spend the $$$ Mickey wants for the temporary license to boot Windows for the first short period. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/27/20 at 14:03:40 Retrospect on Chromebooks It has been 8 years now, so what splash did Chromebooks really make? Chromebooks took over basically all of education (taking 20% of Apple's and Microsoft's worlds with it). "All of education" is a pretty big chunk of change, money-wise. Chromebooks in Big Business uses have grown steadily in the past 3 years to be a ~10%~ market share holder, being a good bit cheaper to administer to the worker bees that are intentionally limited to the Company software mix that is being delivered through the Company intranet. Lower cost to buy, lower cost to administer, very secure and easily limited (if you remove the machine from the building it becomes a useless brick) --- for a worker bee data entry type person Chromebooks have a whole lot going for them. Your entry level workforce comes from school already all accustomed to using them, so there are many existing pluses now for Chromebooks in the low end of big business uses. End user home machines, not so much anymore since the cell phone grew so much in power and in absolute popularity. The cell phone itself is a preferred tool for personal uses that do not involve a keyboard. The rise of the 8" and 10" Fire tablet running the Google Playstore with a keyboard case has actually shown up as a mix that is taking over a small chunk of personal home use. Google Stada can stream AAA games to a Chromebook, which is a statement that means Chromebooks can be as powerful as they need to be for whatever use you want to put them to. Google server farms can provide whatever grunt your program or game or WHATEVER needs for you to have right now. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 06/27/20 at 15:06:51 Linux retrospect OK, I use and like Linux having been force moved to use it by MS's cancelling my old legal Windows licenses (done by linking the license to the individual machine's hardware and cancelling the license whenever the hardware gets changed or a driver crash kills the machine) and then by MS simply getting greedy all the time and always finding brand new ways to invalidate my existing good Windows licenses. This is no joke -- I got pissed and contacted the MS complaint line and worked backwards working with the supervisor of that department and she, using tools that are not available to her worker bees, she found 4 valid MS Windows licenses that all referenced my wife's laptop as home base. None of them were bad per se, but over the years MS had declared them "invalid" and insisted I buy a new license to get the machine rolling again. The complaint lady then reactivated the best Windows version of the lot and apologized for my inconvenience in the matter. All this told me was that MS had one honest employee who was working to help people, just one good person in a SEA of shameless thieves. ======================================== I liked the original Gnome Ubuntu, but I moved over to Mint to get the pre-installed codecs and to get a new level of ease of use that was both real and is still very much appreciated. Pure Ubuntu is still #2 in the general distro ranking, this is mainly due to all of the many Ubuntu derivatives that are out there in specialty land that remove their numbers from the mothership count when it gets split into distros. I'll use PoP OS as a talking example -- it was built from Ubuntu to be a builder installed "starter OS" which saves the builder the cost of a Windows license. Specialty distro, oh my yes ..... but still part of the Ubuntu family group. It still gets a large numerical count as it comes pre-installed on a lot of Linux based machines. #1 in the detailed Linux distro ranking is Linux Mint Cinnamon, which is the default Linux Mint that gets shown first in the download list on the Mint website. Linux Mint Mate came out as a lighter, faster version of Mint that did not use the porkier, slower, slightly more buggy home cooked Cinnamon interface. Instead it used Gnome, trimmed up and trued up to simply work better. If you want to get closer to the look and feel of Win XP (and I mean right down to the XP keyboard shortcuts that all still work) then use Linux Mint Mate. Realize that when you talk in general about Ubuntu vs Fedora vs Suse then all the Ubuntu variants tend to get clumped together in the Ubuntu family group. But when talking pure user popularity at the distro level, Linux Mint is still the most popular distro out there. ======================================= HOWEVER, please do always remember that Joe and Rita Sixpack will still ALWAYS use what comes installed on their new machine, and face it folks ---- there are predominately more machines built with Windows preinstalled out there than any other OS (or all of rest of them added together, if you to make the point a little more bluntly). Rita and Joe think that Windows is great and they don't mind getting skinned every 2 years for a new Windoze this and that ..... and they obey all the little prompts to get signed up for every support package that MS can invent for them to buy. :-/ Then Rita and Joe also simply use the browser that MS gives them pre-installed, warts and all. Why it takes a super powerful state of the art machine to run a browser, I will never know. They bought it because they got a pop up saying they needed to buy a "x" generation Intel processor to fix their driver issues that made their old "w" generation Intel processor run so poorly ...... Somebody keeps telling Joe that he can fix ANY of his old "dead" machines simply by sticking in a Linux Mint Mate DVD and getting a fully functioning backup machine for free --- but is isn't Winders Certified and Rita won't hear about it. ;) |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/08/20 at 08:33:34 https://liliputing.com/2020/07/qualcomm-snapdragon-865-plus-is-a-slightly-faster-chip-for-gaming-phones.html So really, what you’re getting are slightly higher CPU speeds, graphics, and wireless speeds. But that’s not exactly nothing, seeing as this is the first smartphone chip from any company with a top speed significantly higher 3 GHz, even if it is just one of the chip’s 8 CPU cores that can reliably hit peak speeds that high. Well, another record benchmark falls ....... After 5nm ships from TSMC, these speeds will be common on all the cores, not on just one selected core like it is now. But if 3 ghz on a phone chip really is a big deal to you then yes, this is the very first one ...... ::) |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/13/20 at 09:54:03 This is a reminder of what ARM promised was going to happen this upcoming year, and yes it looks like they have already beat that promise by six months on the early side as Apple is here right now, jest a doing it. http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13226/3.png This graph intersection prediction and the colored line inversions have already come to pass at Cortex-A77 processors early this past spring ...... and this should be a reminder why ARM and Apple are going to be AMD's real competition going forward since they start out beating Intel Core i5s at the ARM Cortex-A78 levels and get strongly better each year thereafter after each lithography drop. Intel isn't really in the race for much any more, really, and that leaves AMD to hold up the x86 end of things pretty much by itself. =================================================== https://venturebeat.com/2020/06/10/heres-how-apples-mac-and-mobile-arm-chip-roadmap-looks-through-2025/ Apple is reportedly working on 5-nanometer Mac chips featuring up to 12 CPU cores, with near future plans to offer chips with more than 12 cores. This suggests to me that there could be two lines of Mac-specific ARM processors, one destined for laptops and laptop-class Macs, and the other for super high performance desktop Macs akin to the iMac Pro and Mac Pro. Whether Apple goes with X-series, Z-series, or some other type of branding for these Mac ARM processors remains to be seen. In each case, Apple will be targeting a platform-optimized balance of performance and power. The smaller the device’s battery and the greater Apple’s ambition to shrink or thin that form factor, the less raw horsepower the chip will deliver. Conversely, where battery life and chip size aren’t major considerations — in desktop Macs, for instance — the chips can go off to the races, eating as much energy as necessary to accomplish their tasks, constrained only by cooling and desktop form factors. Due to Apple’s aggressive performance-per-watt energy optimization designs, neither of those issues is likely to limit the company’s ARM chips to the degree it felt shackled by Intel’s desktop and laptop CPUs. With the caveat that everything is subject to change due to engineering issues and pandemic considerations, here’s what I broadly expect to see Apple do with chips over the next five years. 2020: A 5-nanometer A14 for iPhones an S6 for Apple Watches, and possibly a 5-nanometer A14X for iPads (more likely 2021). Unless it plans to use the A14X for Macs, Apple will preview a separate entry-level Mac laptop chip to developers ahead of a 2021 commercial release. 2021: A 5-nanometer A15 for iPhones an S7 for Apple Watches, most likely A14X/A15X for iPads, and almost certainly the commercial release of Mac laptop (say, “X1”) and desktop (“Z1?”) chips. 2022: A 3-nanometer A16 for iPhones an S8 for Apple Watches, possibly an A16X for iPads, second-gen Mac laptop and desktop chips, and possibly a 5- or 3-nanometer Apple-developed smart glasses chip. 2023: A 3-nanometer A17 for iPhones an S9 for Apple Watches, possibly an A17X for iPads, third-gen Mac laptop and desktop chips, and either a 5- or 3-nanometer Apple smart glasses chip. 2024/2025: A 2-nanometer A18 for iPhones an S10 for Apple Watches, either an A17X/A18X for iPads, fourth-gen Mac laptop and desktop chips, and likely a second-gen, 3-nanometer Apple smart glasses chip. It’s impossible to know the specific year-to-year performance increases for each of these chips — most of them are far from finalized — but Apple’s past track record provides some general expectations. In addition to small annual or biannual battery life improvements based on big drops in nanometer manufacturing scale and subsequent refinements of the same nanometer’s process. It is fair to assume annual single-core performance gains of 15% to 30% for some tasks, with multi-core jumps ranging from 40% to 200%, depending on Apple’s overall product priorities for a given year. Two key areas currently stand out as likely to impact multiple Apple chips at various points over the next five years. First, Apple plans to integrate self-designed 5G modems into some of its chips, which led it to purchase Intel’s smartphone modem division for $1 billion last year. And beyond trying to stay comfortably ahead of Intel in the CPU department, it will also compete with Qualcomm, which makes laptop, smartphone, smartwatch, and XR headset chips of its own. You will note I am taking my progress notes from the guys who are ACTUALLY MAKING THE PROGRESS, not from Intel or AMD who are spending all their efforts watching each other do very very little, and that very very slowly. Both will get lapped and left behind by ARM chipsets within this same period of time ....... ::) |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/13/20 at 14:10:33 https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/29/18643905/intel-amd-arm-cpu-computex-2019-future-announcements Intel, AMD, and ARM each see our computing future differently Though they all agree laptops will continue to be important http://https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/a46_z8f91cFweXi8OqHjDjEIxuQ=/0x0:2040x1360/920x613/filters:focal(743x480:1069x806):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/63914045/vpavic_190516_3439_0031.0.jpg I will summarize it all for you ........ AMD will continue to forge ahead of Intel while trying to get into any market that Apple disrupts with ARM based Apple chipset products. Both Intel and AMD have full ARM design licenses, don't ever forget that little factoid. AMD will innovate and really compete but Intel however is hampered by their Intel Inside thinking from even really trying to be competitive. AMD will scrabble hard and will take over all "leadership precedence" in x86 processing pretty much completely using all the x86 tech advantages that they already own. AMD will also put forth ARM chiplet based laptop and desktop chipset variants that will smell very much like stock ARM native chipsets with an AMD paint job applied over the top of them (just as Apple has done)...... HOWEVER, please remember Intel does have a hard legal contractual "lock up" on so much of the PC retail chain and Intel has a strong contractual lock up on most of the major American brand name vendors themselves by stock purchases and other means ........ and Intel has lots & lots of lawyers to enforce those contracts ........ so expect Intel to still be a player 5 years from now simply by "force selling" you stuff that isn't nearly as good as Apple or AMD products using funky tweeked test units and matching tweeked metrics so as to appear to be competitive. Pundits are now suggesting again that Intel should intentionally go hire away Lisa Su to be their Intel head CEO ....... both to aid Intel's weak industry leadership presence and act to actively cripple AMD all at the same blow. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/15/20 at 01:23:02 https://www.anandtech.com/show/15910/amd-announces-ryzen-threadripper-pro-workstation-parts-for-oems-only What is new ....... AMD is only selling these newest TR PRO chipsets directly to major vendors --- there is no advertising budget and there are no samples being sent out for press testing. Cost is being minimized as AMD is so thoroughly trashing Intel right now that literally nothing needs to be said at this point in time beyond tech reviews like this one. The various technical publications and press will do all that is needed to roll the sales over to the new AMD offerings, that and the much lower price to purchase AMD and the much lower AMD associated costs for power and cooling. http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15910/Lenovo5_575px.jpg Competition AMD’s main competition here is going to be Intel’s own workstation line of processors. If you haven’t been following what Intel is doing, not to worry – it’s somewhat of an older confusing mess. Let us take it in stages: Before Intel launched Xeon Scalable, it offered variants of its E5-2600 processor line as ‘workstation’ models, such as the E5-2687W v2/v3/v4. These were socket compatible with Intel’s high-end desktop processors without ECC, or could be used in server-grade motherboards with ECC validation. After this, Intel launched the Xeon W-2100 family, built upon Skylake, and offering up to 18 cores with quad-channel memory. These were on the LGA2066 high-end desktop socket, but required special motherboards that used server-only chipsets. These were updated with Xeon W-2200 variants, built on Cascade Lake. Alongside this, Intel had Xeon W-3100 and Xeon W-3200 workstation processors, for the LGA3647 socket, enabling six-channel memory and offering up to 28 cores. Intel even offered a special W-3175X model that was overclockable. Now this year, Intel added the Xeon W-1200 family to its workstation lineup, using the consumer LGA1200 socket, but again with motherboards that have a server-only chipset installed. These W-1200 actually replace the E-2300 processors, and the Xeon E family has been mothballed into Xeon W. On top of all this, Intel has Xeon Scalable Cascade Lake which have also been used extensively in workstations. AMD’s argument here is that TR Pro will compete well against all of Intel’s Xeon W offerings. Whereas Intel has 80+ older options across a variety of sockets, AMD will have only four TR PRO units that will cover all of the market, and AMD will continue to use the existing consumer Ryzen Pro line for the low-end pro and the upper level consumer stuff. Yes, AMD unleashes just four TR Pro workstation units and those four TR Pro units will beat up on all 80 of Intel's existing workstation offerings, yes all 80 of them ---- for both data crunching throughput, AMP draw powerwise and finally (and most tellingly) purchase price-wise. It works out like this, if you simply buy at your intended spend price point you can pocket all the extra power and performance that AMD provides to you. Or else you can pick your units carefully and buy the equivalent (to slightly better) performance at a much lower cost and pocket all the dollar savings. It is your choice on how you take your AMD savings. Many users will just opt to buy the very most powerful AMD units on sale at an even more reduced price point and get all that juicy much cheaper mainframe power that comes to them along with the many extra channels of faster data transfer built into the AMD mainframe chiplet technology. When overbuying can be done so cheaply, it becomes easy to justify as "future proofing" or "extending service life" or "lower operational (energy) costs'. Intel will likely respond with some new black bag benchmark tricks to try to keep what they have now so that it can can be perceived by the uninformed as "operationally equivalent" for as long as possible --- Intel will try to "lie and cheat, not compete" in other words. Intel as of this point is simply outclassed on all fronts, and this outclassing of Intel will simply get deeper and stronger next year and deeper and stronger again in the years following ...... http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15910/Ryzen%20Threadripper%20Pro%20Press%20Deck_7.9-page-009_575px.jpg Here is the current performance summary across Intel's and AMD's top end offerings ...... it looks pretty bad for the "Intel Inside" boys doesn't it? Remember, it takes 2 each of the full sized mainframe Intel chipsets (at over $1,200 list price each of Intel Inside) to even get up on this chart to get your butt whupped by AMD's single socket product. Note that AMD lists the results for all of the tests you can run, not just selectively cherry picking the ones they could win most strongly as Intel so liked to do in years past. All tests are shown "as shipped" --- Intel also likes to cheat by optimizing their test units for the individual tests that you are running so you can expect to see that trick being played again by Intel in 2020-2021 as well. http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15910/Ryzen%20Threadripper%20Pro%20Press%20Deck_7.9-page-028.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/18/20 at 05:35:46 For the last week or so there has been a whole slew of new product releases of PC boxes and laptops for the upcoming school year ----- all using new generation AMD Ryzen chipsets on modern PCIe 4.0 motherboards ----- one actually senses that a shifting of the brands is going on as Intel loses more and more market dominance (and their contractual lock up on the market place weakens accordingly). Even the old Intel fan boys aren't bragging about building Intel based units any more -- even old habitual Intel fan boys are learning better ......... eventually. ::) ==================================================== What can Intel do to make some sales? (cut prices MORE ----- again and again) ::) |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/19/20 at 13:54:51 https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-and-intel-core-cpu-market-share-report/ http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/AMD-Ryzen-vs-Intel-Core-CPU-Market-Share_Korea_2-740x740.png It looks like Germany isn't the only market where AMD is doing well as reports from major Asian based retailers show the same trend for Ryzen processors which are now gaining more popularity than Intel's Core processors lineup. AMD Ryzen Market Share Now Higher Than Intel Core CPU In Major Asian Markets According to Danawa Research, a firm run by Danawa which is one of the biggest retailers in South Korea, the volume of AMD Ryzen CPUs sold exceeded that of Intel Core processors just a few days after the new Ryzen 3000 chips became available on store shelves. Starting Monday (8th of July), as soon as the market opened, AMD CPU sales witnessed a huge jump of 48.72% versus 28.24% just a day earlier. This trend continued and the volume of AMD CPUs sold exceeded Intel's just two days later at 53.36% versus Intel's 46.64%. Not only that but the research firm also shared the statistical figures which show the number of clicks on their retail outlet for each processor brand. The same results were reported with more users now searching and looking into AMD's processor lineup. In comparison, the AMD CPU drew the attention of up to 76.95% users while only 23.05% users were interested in Intel's lineup. ;) The other breaking news comes from BCN Ranking, who collects more generalized round up data from major retail outlets in Japan, who reports similar results that the AMD Ryzen CPUs have managed to overtake Intel's share and now stand at 50.5% versus Intel's 49.5%. This is a continuing trend with Intel's market share showing a downward trend as it was 72.1% back in October 2018 and has now seen a major fall. http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/AMD-Ryzen-vs-Intel-Core-CPU-Market-Share_Japan_1.jpg Lastly, here is another shot of the same Mindshare.de data from Germany showing about the same gap percentage as the rest do. Since we now have confirmation from China and Japan and India that AMD takes over the majority market share, I will no longer report it as a "early predictor" graph, but instead this stuff is simply factual actual now-a-days. http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/AMD-Mindfactory-Market-Share-November-2019-mMr8FET-1030x486.png Americans should be angry that Intel is allowed to act "in restraint of trade" by illegally preventing the publishing of numbers such as this in the American computing press. Ditto for other countries data, Intel does NOT want you to see be able to see where they really sit in the marketplace in relation to AMD. Having to get our comparison data pulled from foreign BANKS and foreign Financial Periodicals (because Intel has such a lock on USA computer press reporting) simply sucks diseased camel wang, IMHO. THIS ALSO SPEAKS VERY POORLY ABOUT JOE SIX PACK'S "COMPUTER LITERACY" THAT INTEL CAN ACTUALLY GET AWAY WITH LYING LIKE THIS FOR SUCH A VERY VERY VERY LONG TIME and not get called out over it ....... are we really that slow and jest plain dumbass ignorant? Intel's main dirty trick here is to require all "approved" US computer press reporting to include all the data for all processors ever sold that are still considered by Intel to still be active (yep, all the units ever sold going way back in time) which counts all the old moldy stuff that was already put in the dump years ago (or needs to be put in the dump now). It is very hard for the current dog to wag that big of a dinosaur tail ...... but he is working on it. ;D My favorite, Linux Mint is actually a small factor in this part of the game since old moldy Intel hardware still works just fine with Linux Mint Mate that was installed to replace the MS OS originally supplied with the machine. A lot of the old out of date Intel machines ARE really still going today ...... they are running smooth and quick on Mint or some other form of Linux. I have several 10 year old Dell workstation boxes that are working for me just fine on Mint ...... and when MS craps a machine up intentionally my Linux Mint Mate DVD can be counted on to instantly bring them back from the dead just dandy ....... |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/21/20 at 13:45:47 https://liliputing.com/2020/07/amds-ryzen-4000g-chips-bring-7nm-zen-2-architecture-to-desktop-pcs.html AMD’s Ryzen 4000G bring new 7nm Zen 2 architecture to desktops After making a splash in the mobile space this year with its high-performance, energy-efficient AMD Ryzen 4000U and 4000H “Renoir” series processors, AMD is bringing Renoir to desktop computers. The new AMD Ryzen 4000G series chips range from the entry-level 35-watt Ryzen 3 4300GE quad-core processor to the top-of-the-line 65-watt Ryzen 7 4700G oca-core processor. There are also “Pro” versions designed for business and enterprise customers. All of the new chips are based on the same 7nm, Zen 2 architecture as the company’s laptop chips. And they all feature the newest AMD Radeon integrated graphics. AMD says the first desktops with Ryzen 4000G series chips will be available in the third quarter of 2020. So, AMD is rolling out their very last generation of 7nm Renoir advances a bit early, as the 5nm wave is rolling at us a half year earlier than planned ...... so the entire improvement schedule has been bumped up a bit. Intel has done absolutely nothing significant this year so AMD is just automatically rolling the paving machines and the steam rollers over them again anyway because AMD had contracted two years ago for the asphalt to be delivered now and the asphalt trucks just began arriving last week. ...... so a brand new layer of blistering hot smoking asphalt paving gets rolled out over Intel's quivering corpse whether it was needed or not. AMD had actually made a good set of improvements in their laptop products early this spring, enough significant improvement to begin wrestling laptop space away from Intel anyway. While Ryzen desktop space didn't actually need all these improvements (as Intel couldn't handle the previous set of desktop improvements anyway) please remember that all AMD improvement waves actually start way down at the base chiplets (as the chiplets are common to all product lines) and so this set of improvements will get reflected up and down the entire AMD product line. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/ryzen-4000g_03.jpg http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/ryzen-4000g_06.jpg INTEL LOSES THE LAST DREGS OF 'GAMING ADVANTAGE" And hey, you don't need to buy a graphics card and a big cooling fan rig with these AMD units as they come with good enough cooling AND A FULL GAMING LEVEL GRAPHICS CARD built right into the processor itself. MODEL & CORES / for desktop PC level refresh THREADS TDP(Watts) BOOST/BASEFREQ. (GHz) GPU CORES CACHE (MB) AMD Ryzen 7 4700G 8C/16T 65W Up to 4.4 / 3.6 GHz 8 12 MB AMD Ryzen 7 4700GE 8C/16T 35W Up to 4.3 / 3.1 GHz 8 12 MB AMD Ryzen 5 4600G 6C/12T 65W Up to 4.2 / 3.7 GHz 7 11 MB AMD Ryzen 5 4600GE 6C/12T 35W Up to 4.2 / 3.3 GHz 7 11 MB AMD Ryzen 3 4300G 4C/8T 65W Up to 4.0 / 3.8 GHz 6 6 MB AMD Ryzen 3 4300GE 4C/8T 35W Up to 4.0 / 3.5 GHz 6 6 MODEL & CORES / for low end products refresh THREADS TDP(Watts) BOOST/BASEFREQ. (GHz) GPU CORES CACHE (MB) Athlon Gold 3150G 4C / 4T 65W[ch8203] Up to 3.9 GHz/3.5 GHz 3 11MB Athlon Gold 3150GE 4C / 4T 35W Up to 3.8 GHz/3.3 GHz 3 6MB Athlon Silver 3050GE 4C/8T 35W Up to 3.4 GHz/3.4 GHz 3 6MB Athlon Gold PRO 3150G 2C / 4T 65W Up to 3.9/3.5 GHz 3 6MB Athlon Gold PRO 3150GE 4C/4T 35W Up to 3.8/3.3 GHz 3 6MB Athlon Silver PRO 3125GE 2C/4T 35W Up to 3.4/3.4 GHz 3 5MB |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Eegore on 07/22/20 at 06:40:32 I wonder if AMD is trying to cash in on an amount of the pre-holiday, quarantine buyers group. A ton of people I know still think AMD is inferior by far for gaming, and the only efficient solution I know of is putting out product since very few bother to read up on it. They watch YouTube and buy what their favorite streamer uses. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/22/20 at 12:14:15 Eegore, I am seeing no fluff or "pre-announcement" hype about this systemic AMD Renoir changeup. Renoir apparently got all the fluff it was due when it came out for laptops, but now that the more serious desktop chipsets being assembled with the Renoir chiplets we are getting minimal to NO "press fluffing" at all. I think it reflects that Intel can't get even close to competing right now. They didn't compete with last year's stuff and this years stuff is 25-30% better than last years and that makes it a "bridge too far" for Intel ...... =================================================== I think we have a benchmark that we can all track --- whenever Eegore buys his first AMD based unit for his own business uses. I think we can even get some info on WHY he made the switch from him, too. ::) ================================================== We got a couple of guys named Linus who are pretty influential in gaming and in the linux world in general. Both of them recently switched over to AMD ...... https://www.google.com/search?q=linus+amd+build&oq=linus+builds+AMD&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0.11817j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by verslagen1 on 07/22/20 at 12:26:36 the switch for me was the math chip fiasco. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/23/20 at 07:48:45 Why is Intel still holding on to a lead in any of the reported MARKET SHARE numbers that still show Intel leading in market share? Primary reason is that the way Intel and MS always wanted market share to be calculated was to count all processors warehoused on all of the many "current CPU models". Intel always wanted them all (no matter how old) counted on their side of the comparison, as did MS on the reported OS numbers. Intel also wanted to count everything as "all shipments to warehouse stock" rather than as sell through to wholesale/retail customers ---- but then again Intel always likes to cheat a bit on everything. The classic BS example of this trick was Intel pulling old warehoused product (already counted once) out for acetone rag wiping and re-stenciling as a new part number ----- which got counted again and reported as new production even though it wasn't new (and it never sold very much of anything anyway as nobody wanted it). Counting current sales as only the last 12 months worth of really new production that actually sold and was shipped was and is anathema to Intel and they would not participate in any of such comparisons since it showed off Intel's real weaknesses and Intel doesn't like to do that, ever. The only source of real one year based data used to be Mindshare.de out of Germany, which reported all CPU sales for the last year in considerable detail. Now, Asian, Indian, Chinese and Japanese sources are starting reporting in the Mindshare.de time frame and method ---- and yes it looks very very bad for Intel. Foveros and 10 core count 14nm chips that were supposed to save Intel have both actually flopped rather heavily, and Intel is bleeding market share all over the place, caused mainly by refusing to accept their #2 position and DROP THEIR PRICES ACCORDINGLY. AMD and all of the phone boys are seeing stunning success with their trial runs at 5nm. Early trial runs at 3nm also are looking good. All the extra layers of silicon direct burn lithography (currently at 14 levels that are used mostly for on chip CPU cache memory) are also looking very very good in these early runs. 80% and 90% first pass yields have been seen on 5nm AMD chiplets, which are an astoundingly good set of early process yield numbers. ::) |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/23/20 at 15:14:10 https://liliputing.com/2020/07/intels-transition-to-7nm-chips-delayed.html Intel had a notoriously hard time moving from 14nm to 10nm chips. In fact, even after multiple delays, only some of the company’s current processors are manufactured on a 10nm node. Now the company is looking ahead to 7nm… and seeing more delays. During the company’s second-quarter earnings call, Intel officials explained that its pushing back its timeline for 7nm chips by about six months. Tom’s Hardware explains that means we probably won’t see those chips until the late 2022 or early 2023 at the soonest. Note line by line the large amount of MISLEADING BS put out here instead of any real discernible facts ..... http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/intel-q2-earnings-700x329.jpg The company says it’s still on track to release its 10nm “Tiger Lake” laptop chips with Intel Xe graphics during the third quarter of 2020. 10nm “Ice Lake” chips for servers are also currently in production. We’ll have to wait until the second half of 2021 to see the first 10nm “desktop” chips from Intel though. Those will be code-named “Alder Lake.” But Intel CEO Bob Swan says the 7nm delays are due to a defect that the company identified in its manufacturing process. The company is moving to a contingency plan which involves using third-party foundries to manufacturer their chipsets. Intel's new 10nm processes don't perform as promised ---- if Intel wants anything competitive they will have to pay TSMC or Samsung to make it for them. Otherwise, Intel has no valid future pathway forward at this point in time ..... This delay pushes any Intel 7nm progress (shaky as that is, BTW) out into the 5nm fully developed volume production zone for ARM processors and for AMD chiplet production. Shaky low yielding domestic 7nm Intel in-house production vs high yielding robust 14 layer deep direct burn 5nm TSMC lithography is simply not a winning place for Intel to be. 5nm ARM processors and 5nm AMD chiplet production ....... Intel cannot compete against either of these product groups. By late 2021 some 3nm early pre-production test runs will have been made by Apple and others, btw ...... that will be another 3-4 layers of burning hot asphalt (all of 5nm and 3nm) rolled out over the rounded lump where Intel was originally. ::) |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/24/20 at 01:14:54 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-announces-delay-to-7nm-processors-now-one-year-behind-expectations Tom's Hardware rings in hard on further Intel delays Intel's first 7nm server CPUs (Granite Rapids) will arrive in 2023, which is later than listed in earlier roadmaps that projected a launch in 2022. That timeline is concerning in the face of AMD's continued execution with its EPYC data center chips – AMD's roadmaps outline its 5nm Genoa processors coming to market before the end of 2022. For perspective, rival foundry TSMC plans to be on the 3nm node in the same time frame as Intel's new schedule for 7nm. Intel clearly isn't pleased with its execution on the 7nm node, as an embattled Swan remarked that "And we feel pretty good about where we are, though we’re not happy. I’m not pleased with our 7nm process performance". The 7nm delay reflects yet another setback as Intel still struggles to overcome the multi-year yield issues it has encountered with its 10nm process. Those delays have allowed its competitors, like AMD, to wrest the process node leadership position from Intel for the first time in the company's history. That's triggered a price war in the market as Intel fights a true x86 competitor with a better node, not to mention Amazon's new Graviton 2 ARM chips based on TSMC's 7nm node. Apple also recently announced that it is transitioning from Intel's chips to its own ARM-based 7nm silicon. The 7nm delay also exacerbates the recent news that rock star chip architect Jim Keller, who was a key part of a team effort to revitalize the company's roadmaps, has left the company. Intel has also traditionally only used third-party fabs, currently to the tune of ~20% of its production, for low-margin, non-CPU products built on trailing-edge nodes. Intel's new plans to more aggressively leverage external fabs for mainstream production could result in it using other fabs for its core logic, like CPUs and GPUs, which the company hasn't done in the past. As Swan noted, that will present challenges in maintaining attractive ASPs for Intel's products, especially given the scale of its production needs. Ultimately, Intel could also face significantly reduced margins if it outsources significant portions of its fabrication of high-margin products, like CPUs, to third parties. Relying upon an outside vendor for leading-edge node production also incurs more risk in terms of supply assurance as Intel could be forced to compete with deep-pocketed rival semiconductor companies, like Apple, Nvidia and AMD, among others, for production capacity. Well, this is a boat load of bad news for Intel fans. It is the first time Intel has looked outright failure at 7nm straight in the eyes and admitted in an earnings call that they have NO FUTURE PLAN that is relevant within the next 3-4 years except to buy "foveros chip layers" from TSMC and Samsung and others. No one is going to want to partner with Intel, due to their recent history of screwing over their partners. TSMC will view Intel as a failing competitor, and TSMC and the phone boys will simply move to take over any business shown to them by Intel as being vulnerable. As a high risk customer, Intel will also likely be asked to pay in advance for all custom foveros layers that are ordered by Intel from a competing foundry. Everyone remembers how poorly Intel treated their Optane memory chip partner, sticking them by making them hold all the aged out inventory and making them eat over half the costs of Intel's bad design choices for Intel's implementing of that memory ...... Optane was a punch bowl turd that deeply hurt Intel's business partner in that implementation, mainly because they had trusted Intel to treat them, well, like a partner ..... Being dependent on their worldwide competitors for key production is no place for Intel to be ---- Bob Swan will likely be removed shortly for this drastic level of incompetent failure. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Eegore on 07/24/20 at 06:26:25 "whenever Eegore buys his first AMD based unit for his own business uses." I've had AMD for about 9 years, just not on Dell branded units. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/24/20 at 09:40:21 OK, Eegore, what proportion of AMD do you use and why do you use it instead of buying Intel Inside? |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/24/20 at 09:46:36 https://liliputing.com/2020/07/ubuntu-web-is-an-upcoming-firefox-based-web-os-to-rival-chrome-os.html So while we don’t really know what Ubuntu Web will look like, it’s easy to imagine an operating system with a Linux kernel, a basic Ubuntu file system, and a Firefox web browser. It’s unclear if Saraswat plans to lock down the operating system in any way to prevent users from installing third-party applications for the sake of security, or if they’ll be containerized in some way. Then again, if you really want a locked-down, reasonably secure, and quick-booting operating system that runs almost as well on low-end hardware as it does on premium computers, you could just buy a Chromebook (or a laptop that ships with Windows 10 S). The only part of Chrome OS that folks really don't care for is the age out effect after 5-7 years and the need to constantly replace the whole thing (hardware and software both together). This guy is a Ubuntu guru and a Firefox fan --- he knows the parts of the stuff he needs to know to perhaps be able to put together an light and easy browser based OS to replace burned out & aged out Chrome OS (Google) instances. If nothing else, he may prompt Google Chrome OS to lengthen the termination dates of the end of life thing by years and years and years. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Eegore on 07/24/20 at 11:32:27 OK, Eegore, what proportion of AMD do you use and why do you use it instead of buying Intel Inside? I couldn't tell you exactly the percentage of AMD vs Intel I have purchased in my lifetime. If I buy a block of HP units and they have AMD processors then I use AMD because it is inside the HP computers I purchased. Typically availability of items and if they can perform the task(s) requested is how the decision is made. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/24/20 at 12:59:39 Eegore, Sounds like you are a processor agnostic that buys what is for sale (available now) at the time he needs it. Do you specify memory amounts or any other features when buying? Have you ever gotten something that wouldn't do the jobs you needed once you got it in hand? I'm just curious ...... |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/24/20 at 13:29:23 A dozen groups have just reported that AMD's stock price has just lapped over Intel's falling stock prices ---- the worm has turned ....... http://https://preview.redd.it/1m2fxxvqqfc51.jpg?width=640&height=232&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=93307e01c27233ee5456d2db0ab2203eb4e6fa10 This is another "crossing of the graph lines" event ...... stock prices are now crossed over each other and are moving very fast in their new directions. Also note that lots of folks are yelling for Bob Swan's head for having mis-managed Intel so very very badly ...... |
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Title: One fateful day July 24th 2020 Post by Oldfeller on 07/24/20 at 19:59:41 Today is July 24th, 2020 and today Intel took on too much water and slipped underneath the fiscal waves for the very first time. So, AMD became the compute industry leader, starting today. AMD is green, Intel is red in this image ....... it is a financial magazine that did this illustration because a computer magazine guy would have known Intel is always blue and AMD is always red |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Eegore on 07/24/20 at 22:18:08 "Do you specify memory amounts or any other features when buying?" I do not, I only purchase what is dictated by the project that is being worked on so I would say the requirements of the project specify. Have you ever gotten something that wouldn't do the jobs you needed once you got it in hand? Not from a hardware standpoint that I am aware of. I have had software that wasn't compatible with certain programs etc. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/25/20 at 06:54:53 More news from Wall Street Intel is downgraded to Hold, Sell and Sell on Fundamentals and Sell on Underperformance. Goldman Sachs was one of the finance houses downgrading Intel to Sell on Fundamentals. The most cheerful ratings out there are the "Hold" ratings, with cautions to watch the selling trend to see if it fails to reverse itself in the next several days. In all cases, over the last year Intel has told the market three times they had a turn around plan ---- one that they could not do, and Intel KNEW they could not do it. Lying to Wall Street intentionally (repeatedly) is a VERY bad idea. Intel needs a new CEO -- Bob Swan has totally shot his credibility with the Street at this point in time. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/25/20 at 11:10:08 https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/07/24/why-intel-stock-plunged-today.aspx OK, this is a Motley Fool staff writer "explaining" the Intel stock debacle that took place yesterday. He does a fair job of it, but misses a few points about tweeked Intel benchmarks and Intel's lying BS performance ratings. AMD isn't giving Intel an inch Digital video game distribution platform Steam releases a hardware and software survey every month. According to the platform's latest monthly report for May, the number of Steam users with an AMD processor increased to 22.45%. This was a slight bump from April's 21.71%. While Intel commands the rest of the market, it is worth noting that Steam's monthly surveys indicate that AMD's share increased in four out of the first five months of the year. Of course, the survey is limited, as it only captures data from Steam users. Still, the platform had 95 million monthly active users last year, so it gives us some insight into the wider gaming CPU market. What's more, this isn't the only piece of data that suggests AMD's growing clout in the CPU market. German retailer Mindfactory's sales data for the week of June 1 to June 7 reveals that it sold 5,270 AMD processors compared to just 770 Intel processors. Again, this data has limitations, but it does hint at a worrying trend for Intel. Chipzilla launched its Comet Lake desktop processors toward the end of this past April. Tom's Hardware had even called the i5-10600K processor a "mainstream gaming champ" thanks to its strong single-threaded performance. Its special price of $262 during the launch added to its attractiveness and helped with the sell through numbers as well. But the launch of these new chips hasn't altered the emerging trend as Mindfactory data reveals that AMD's Ryzen 5 3600 processor remains the best seller. The Core i5-10600K moved just 40 units. AMD's latest update to its Ryzen lineup means that Intel's new chips will now face a bigger challenge as AMD could reduce the prices of their older chips to clear inventory space for the new chips that are coming in the next few weeks. That's because AMD's latest chips deliver a minimum improvement of 4%-10% per iteration as compared to their existing versions. The updated Ryzen 5 3600XT carries a sticker price of $249, as does the Ryzen 5 3600X. If AMD reduces the price of their existing comparable chips as they have been doing during the ramp-downs (clearing out some replacement shelf-space) recently then the AMD price-to-performance ratio could improve further and make it even more difficult for Intel's Comet Lake processors to make a dent in the market. Turning on the heat AMD has also made it clear that the launch of its upcoming Zen 3 processors is on track for 2020. This is more bad news for Intel. With this move, AMD is likely to further refine its 7-nanometer (nm) manufacturing process that powers the current generation of Ryzen chips. Intel's Comet Lake processors, on the other hand, are based on a 14nm process, as the chip giant has so far failed to make the jump to 10nm desktop processors successfully. The rumor mill suggests that Intel's 10nm Alder Lake offerings that could potentially compete with AMD's 7nm process will only partially begin to arrive next year (and now will likely be delayed well past that). If that is the case, Intel runs the risk of remaining well behind AMD on the technology curve, as Intel doesn't expect to launch any 5nm processors until 2022-2023 per its current product roadmap. So far, AMD's process node advantage has helped it deliver competitive processors and attractive prices, which have eaten into Intel's market share. The AMD product roadmap ahead suggests that AMD will keep its foot on the accelerator and remain the top semiconductor stock going forward. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/25/20 at 22:21:41 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07STGGQ18?tag=georiot-us-default-20&th=1&psc=1&ascsubtag=tomshardware-us-8996347937116475000-20 Read the post just above this one more time and note that the financial guy doing the writing believes that this Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core chipset is the foremost cutting edge of all the damage that AMD is currently doing to Intel, but he thinks the price that is doing all that damage is $249 ---- what would happen if it cost a bunch less money all of a sudden ???? (more damage and more lost market share ???) AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core, 12-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor with Wraith Stealth Cooler List Price: $199.00 Price: $159.98 & FREE Returns You Save: $39.02 (20% off) About this item The world's most advanced processor in the desktop PC gaming segment Can deliver ultra-fast 100+ FPS performance in the world's most popular games 6 cores and 12 processing threads bundled with the quiet AMD wraith stealth cooler max temps 95°C 4 2 GHz max boost unlocked for overclocking 35 MB of game cache DDR4 3200 support For the advanced socket AM4 platform can support PCIe 4 0 on x570 motherboards https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07STGGQ18?tag=georiot-us-default-20&th=1&psc=1&ascsubtag=tomshardware-us-8996347937116475000-20 A six core award winning 100 frames per second AMD gaming chipset for $159 instead of $249 simply signals that AMD is very serious about clearing off some shelf space for their next generation chipsets (yep, the ones with significantly improved built-in gaming graphics) ---- yes, these will be the very last generation of AMD 7nm chipsets which will begin to land in earnest next month. From the start of next year it is AMD based on 5nm and 3nm chiplets all the way ....... Intel is stuck hard partway through their 10nm roll out ...... and in addition Intel is not making much progress on their 7nm replacements and Intel is having to go outside to have their 7nm designs built on modern equipment. Intel will likely rebound some from their current low low stock prices, but their loss of market share IS NOT REBOUNDING any at all. My arse is starting to burn --- ouch !! My toes hurt bad and my glace is melting !! http://https://urbanviewsweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/main-qimg-f7d412e7526b4a04a450a9efd3142ee9-c.jpg :P ...... jest talking about Lisa Su turning up the heat on the Intel frog boys. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/27/20 at 06:34:50 https://seekingalpha.com/article/4338843-taiwan-semiconductor-manufacturing-company-losing-process-leadership-to-intel This is a finance magazine Intel fan boy searching for something good to say about Intel's far far future plans. Mind you, he does not understand the delays just put forth by Intel will be ADDING YEARS to the timelines he reports, he is just regurgitating what Intel has released in print for "Intel's far future plans". And it is obvious someone from Intel has shared "the true meanings" of Intel's 10nm and 7nm because he quotes that propaganda as fact. Still, taken in perspective it gives you timelines that will only get worse (with more delay) as Intel fumbles the ball time after time trying to do things that TSMC cannot pull off the very first time out of the gate ...... The precept of this article should be that Intel will buy (or rent) current TSMC style lithography going forward. Intel has said OFFICIALLY that they are going to do this, but Intel has certainly not ordered any new lithography scanners to put into TSMC to put any reality behind those empty words. Not having ordered 2-3 year lead time ASML scanner lines several years ago means Intel has to rent 5nm production time from TSMC/Apple or Samsung. Samsung doesn't HAVE enough equipment to handle Intel's volumes, so forget Samsung as a source for more than a single chipset item or two. Intel trying to rent enough huge massive amounts 5nm production time from TSMC/Apple is a joke right now too as all TSMC/Apple's 5nm production is booked up for up to 3 years ahead at this stage of things. Apple paid for the original TSMC 5nm lines and Apple will not turn them loose until they are up and running on 3nm with their full current Apple production. So, 3nm will be ramping up for world-wise use before there is enough free 5nm capacity to even start to handle Intel's needed volumes. Furthermore, the bottom graph that is showing Intel making advances to lithography stages well before TSMC does kinda loses track of the fact that Intel is having TSMC build all their advanced lithography for them going forward. This last graph is pure optimistic Intel fanboy fiction from ages past, in other words. This article writer totally dismisses all the effects of 14 layer deep direct burn EUV lithography and what that means for large amounts of very fast on chip multi-level cache memory that AMD is currently using to their advantage. Intel knows nothing about this layered deep burn trick and it is not reflected in any of their current chipset designs. So to say that Intel just picks it up right along with gate all around chip construction techniques is just plain silly talk. Intel has lost Jim Heller as a resource (he quit in frustration) and they have only Renchalla left now as their tech leader. Renchalla, the man who insisted that Intel go hire Keller, the guy who taught Renchalla how to do it when talking about fine feature advanced lithography. http://https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2020/4/18/13402352-15872294144309943.png This very last graph is pure "Intel wishes it were so" and it also assumes that there is copious amounts of free TSMC production space to plug Intel into ..... and we know that this is not the case. OR ...... it assumes Intel can actually do 5nm followed by 3nm gate all around all in house at will, which is another joke to beat all jokes. http://https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2020/4/18/13402352-1587229500654763.png THIS LAST GRAPH IS MOSTLY BOGUS NONSENSE So, add in a 2 year gap between the graph lines and remove all the line overlaps ---- this is closer to best case reality. Or, simply being completely realistic, there should only be the TSMC graph line showing in the years past 2020 ..... And what is with the weird years with quarters shown on the X axis of this last graph --- this is all complete Intel Fanboy BS that was written a long long time ago, isn't it? |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/27/20 at 16:44:35 https://wccftech.com/intel-restructuring-murthy-leaves-ann-kelleher-takes-over-7nm-and-5nm-development/ Intel thrashes in agony like a freshly gutted beached whale http://https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Intel-Ann-Kelleher.jpg Meet Ann Kelleher. Been crying much, Ann? Intel's Bob Swan just fired three full levels of tech leadership just above her as scapegoats to cover his own incompetence (and to remove several potential CEO rivals). He fired most of Ann's manufacturing management peers too, so Ann is lacking any trained and skilled help with her new tasks. Ann now has her new orders directly from Bob Swan to "turn this ship around" but just like Jim Keller who just recently quit in pure frustration she finds that her steering rudder lever isn't connected to the big ship's rudder any more, nope --- not any, not-a-tiny-bit whatsoever. Manufacturing Maintenance was a working on the linkages when Bob fired all of them. Intel's Bob Swan is a busy busy man, busy planning the firing of tons of people (literally 10s of Thousands of people, cumulative over the next year) and Bob Swan is planning on shutting down whole new product development divisions and gutting manufacturing management at all levels. Intel is planning on keeping just enough people to keep their key machinery running and that is about it. Bob wants change and he only knows one way to get it ...... off with their heads !!! Bean picker in chief Bob Swan is saying that Intel as of this week Intel is no longer a PC CPU manufacturing based company so it no longer needs all these people. Intel has just released plans to let go 1.2 AMD's worth of "unnecessary people" with more to come in the next few weeks. That is over 11% of Intel's current work force getting a pink slip in the near future. It was likely that Intel would be undergoing some major restructuring when it stumbled a second time on 7nm and this appears to be the result. With a major separation of tasks, Intel's various teams will now be responsible only for their own domain and can theoretically choose the best possible candidate for the job (for eg, Raja can choose to go with TSMC instead of Intel's inhouse fabs). ::) Bob Swan quote of the week "Shoot them all in the head and let God sort them out." |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/28/20 at 00:12:13 https://wccftech.com/intel-ponte-vecchio-gpu-tsmc-6nm/ Intel Ponte Vecchio GPU Will Be Made On TSMC’s 6nm Process, CPUs Could Be Made On TSMC 3nm As Well A huge report from DigiTimes has leaked out claiming that Intel's Ponte Vecchio GPU has found its home on TSMC's lower-cost 6nm process. The leak originally sprung from a paywalled DigiTimes article and has since been corroborated by China Times as well in the last few hours. The implication of Intel shifting major products to TSMC is huge and the report even indicates that talks to move Intel's bread and butter CPUs to the pure-play foundry are being held as well. Intel's Ponte Vecchio GPU will be made on the TSMC 6nm process, books 180,000 orders in advance Intel's 10nm process was supposedly to be actually better than TSMC's 7nm process (MTr/mm2) and it was roughly comparable to TSMC's 6nm process. This means products that are fabricated on TSMC's 6nm process (which is an optimized and lower cost version of 7nm) will have roughly the same density as a 10nm Intel part. This footprint thing is still problematic in the sense because Intel's 7nm was supposed to have even higher MTr/mm2 and could impact the socket footprint of projects dependant on Ponte Vecchio such as the Aurora supercomputer. New main processor sockets on the way, boys? This thing reads like a blow by blow of next year's AMD vs Intel battle. Intel's ability to be in the fight at all depends on Intel booking enough of TSMC's 6nm and 3nm capacity to build what they need to be build. AMD may well have booked first, however, and AMD will likely come out at least a quarter to a half year earlier, since they planned to roll down to 6nm TSMC long ago (back AMD was a key partner in the development of TSMC's 6nm process stream) and this was back when Intel was going it alone on their 10nm and 7nm stuff. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/28/20 at 00:29:45 Pundits are now questioning the CAPACITY of Intel to actually make their booked orders that they are already committed to make. Intel 10nm is simply not that appealing and Intel 7nm doesn't work well right now, and those two items are supposed to be MOST of the production movers next year. Indeed, any performance numbers Intel gives out on 10nm and 7nm actually come from Samsung's process running Intel's designs for them because Intel's production process SUX just that badly. Pudits note that Intel is just now booking some time on TSMC's processes for just 180,000 chipsets ..... and Intel has just now admitted to having allowed most of an extra year more of "behind" to build up before due to not getting any sort of decent yields off of their Intel 7nm (which was supposed to be running strong by now) ..... AND Intel furthermore confesses to still having ongoing low yield numbers off of the now known to be "really not so attractive for performance" Intel 10nm process as well. These two most recent failures have most assuredly put Intel behind the 8 ball yet again for actually being totally unable to make all the chipsets that they have already contracted to build, yes, that same sad sad tale all over again as last year's production shortfalls. Choices for Intel are clear -- default on your commitments, pay the penalties, piss off the builders in question and lose that market share to AMD. Or, pay a premium to TSMC to jump the waiting line, struggle mightily to debug the resulting first raw run chipsets, make your shipments on time and lose a wad of money doing it. OR, just fail again totally all over again and just bugger it all up again and just blow all the money with nothing to show for it ...... In recent months, it has taken all of AMD's capacity and all of Intel's capacity to meet the sheer amount of equipment needed by the entire expanding world computing market. This next big Intel PC production shortage is just what the ARM boys were needing to fuel their ARM processor inroads march into PC space .... a great BIG Intel shortfall they could help the world to fill. Apple will benefit from this big Intel shortfall, for the same reasons. As will Google Chromebooks that are built using ARM chips instead of Intel chips. ::) It is all about execution speed now ..... ARM boys all do it every year all over the place in the phone world. AMD does it 3 times a year (counting the mainframe world, PC space and laptops) but that is really just one chiplet and graphics revolution per year firing away through all three of their product lines, taking the lines one at a time. Intel has a real problem now making a quick, good execution. Swan simply thinks Intel has too many layers of people in the way, so he is removing people layers until the execution speed picks up some more ..... Bob Swann is an insensitive Jerk --- he is making his women cry for heaven's sake and pink slipping 10's of thousands of loyal employees ..... |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/20 at 23:29:49 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmc-2nm-process-development-cpus-5nm-processors https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmc-fab-3nm-5nm-process-intel-samsung TSMC Starts 2nm Process Development for Fast, Efficient Chips http://https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/DceEuvMr9xri7QhVyY3ao7-650-80.jpg.we At the start of this year we heard that TSMC was investing heavily in extra 5nm fabrication buildings, and it's no secret that the next step after that is TSMC's 3nm process as TSMC has just finished building the first 3nm plant buildings and the 3nm campus proper. 3nm multi-level 3-D direct burn EUV production line equipment are being installed and multi-level prove out runs are going on as we speak. The Taiwanese silicon manufacturer is now looking beyond that 3nm process too, and TSMC has just announced to shareholders that it is starting full technical development of its 2nm lithographic process with key customers, as was spotted by DigiTimes. Painstakingly few details are available now about the 2nm process. All we know is that TSMC is starting development -- though it's safe to assume the end product will be very fast and more efficient than anything on the market today. Currently, TSMC's 7nm process is at its mature peak, receiving huge numbers of orders from AMD for its Ryzen 3000-series CPUs and Navi graphics cards. TSMC's 6nm is planned out as the logical extension of TSMC 7nm, an extension that can run off the same existing 7nm EUV production equipment after an upgrade/rebuild. On the 5nm front, TSMC is working with brand new ASML 14 layer direct burn EUV lithography scanner lines, similar to what Samsung is accomplishing. The two chipmakers are neck-in-neck in the 5nm silicon design race at this time. According to DigiTimes, TSMC is expecting 10% of this year's revenue to come from its many layer 5nm EUV lines. With the news last year that TMSC had been cleared by their Board of Directors to begin working on the 3nm production site, the cost was estimated at $19.5 billion and production slated to start in late 2022 or early 2023. Earlier this year, C.C. Wei, CEO of TSMC, said that 3nm development was “going well” and that it was engaging with early customers on the latter stages of full technology definition. So, 3nm is getting real now and is installing the first 3nm lines, 5nm is completely in the hole for first large Apple production runs which are happening as we speak and 2nm is buying land and engaging early customers on the early states of 2nm technology definition. Meanwhile, Intel just placed their first 180,000 shortfall chipset order at TSMC for their "complete production failure" shortfalls in Intel 10nm chipsets ..... :P |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/30/20 at 08:31:06 https://liliputing.com/2020/07/huawei-shipped-more-smartphones-in-q2-than-any-other-company.html Huawei just took the #1 phone sales position completely away from the Apple/Samsung yearly trade off thingie ...... ....... and this was with all of Trump's embargo actions still in place including all the Google Android bans which are still in place over the last full year. I guess that means that China and India are simply commanding markets of such size that nothing else really matters. Intel no longer matters ..... AMD no longer matters ..... Microsoft no longer matters ..... Google no longer matters ..... Qualcomm no longer matters ..... ARM Holdings out of Japan still matters as the license for the base ARM designs for each new generation of A-7x and X-1 chip families still matter a lot in replacing the Intel AMD Google MS Qualcomm stuff, yes even to Huawei and the rest of the Oriental rebel phone boys. Apple still matters, because each year Apple pays for the development of the next generation of lithography at TSMC, something that actually benefits everybody. :o ...... change, she comes ...... |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/30/20 at 23:03:11 Reading between the rumor lines ....... Intel has begun sorting through all their 10nm scrap piles looking for something to sell in the second half of this year. Intel 10nm has gone through 4 full generations now making up quite a pile of non-conforming for this reason or another, and Intel has just grown a + designation for the sorted 3 times and found "good enough to sell" product grouping. This leaves a whole lot of "slightly broken" stuff on the sorting tables ....... Special part numbers and misleading claims will now be created for several kinds of "features blocked off" partially functional chipsets of non-standard (less than full core count numbers). Please Note the very large output ranges and greatly enlarged turbo numbers given out for these new part numbers ...... Leave it to Intel to present a damaged sub-optimal performance chipset as "turbo enhanced". Sound all boringly familiar to you ........ ? 7nm Intel is again being called "10nm Intel" whenever the failed Intel 7nm product is "mostly good enough" to sell but not up to the already very broad specifications of an Intel 7nm product. :P ONCE AGAIN, DO NOT BUY A 10nm INTEL ANYTHING ..... BUY AMD OR APPLE INSTEAD. (AMD is much much cheaper than Apple right now) Intel is still deep deep deep into tweeked metrics and outright lying to their customers ---- simply avoid Intel 10nm and 7nm at point in this time. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 07/31/20 at 21:29:48 https://liliputing.com/2020/07/bloomberg-nvidia-to-buy-arm-deal-could-be-announced-within-weeks.html More in reading between the rumor lines ....... ARM Holdings as a company finds itself put up for sale periodically. ARM Holdings is apparently up for sale again. NVIDIA is looking to buy it. NVIDIA is a bad neighbor to be "owning" anything that many companies have bought into developing and joined together to try to jointly hold the rights to it in a group holding fashion. Apple should consider buying a bigger "totally commanding" majority share of ARM Holdings and AMD should put together an active consortium to try to do the same thing. Whoever buys ARM owns the future ??????? I thought the whole purpose of the ARM Holding Company was to keep this from happening. Acorn Computing's Advanced Risc Machine Holding Company was supposed to prevent all this selfish me-mine shite from ever happening again. NVIDIA is not considered trustworthy and their CEO is a known ego head to boot. Linus Torvalds has him a very special single finger salute for NVIDIA's past lack of open source and specification sharing behaviors ........ INVIDIA is so NOT the folks you want in charge of your future in other words. ::) If this ARM Holding sale all goes badly and it all turns ugly , RISC-V as a standard may take a huge push forward into bigger and better chipsets. =================================================== Nobody wants NVIDIA to be buying ARM Holdings ---- TSMC and Foxconn have both put forward offerings so NVIDIA no longer has a lock on things. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/01/20 at 21:00:13 Something new since last week ...... AMD is seeing large orders from large name brand "completed PC" builders that are taking up 100% of AMD's real ongoing capacity ( ie the stuff that is actually rolling off their chiplet to processor assembly lines). AMD must focus on orders already committed to the major builders, which means a STRONG shortfall on the single processor hobby side of things will be showing up very shortly at Mindshare.de in Germany. I am now looking for news of new AMD 5nm chiplet into processor assembly plants being built and new significantly increased 5nm chiplet orders being placed on TSMC by AMD. It is a bit too late to react to 7nm suddenly swinging over to AMD (and not the best way to spend your capital $$$ right now anyway). A smart chiplet to processor robotics line would be able to use 7nm and 6nm and 5nm (and possibly 3nm chiplets) with a minimal change over. Put your spend on your next generational future, always. Always be able to execute your plan ON TIME ..... Expect the pricing on AMD stuff to shoot up a bit at retail due to higher end user demand. ================================================== AMD will be rewarded for meeting all orders on time with first rate processors. NOT DOING THIS LEAVES THE DOOR OPEN FOR THE COMPETITORS TO WALK ON IN AND TRY TO TAKE OVER SOME MARKET SHARE. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/01/20 at 22:32:46 https://wccftech.com/amd-7nm-wafer-production-set-to-double-in-2h-2020-7nm-capacity-at-tsmc-currently-fully-booked/ I am interested in where Intel is expecting to find 7nm capacity much less any 5nm capacity to build their chipsets. I simply don't see any spare 7nm capacity sitting around anywhere at this point in time ...... I sure as heck don't see any TSMC or Samsung capacity to build the 140,000 spare wafers that Intel will need to make its 7nm and 5nm product lines now that Intel's own processes are admitted to be totally incapable. TSMC's 7nm production capacity is fully booked. Relief may only come when Apple migrates to 5nm in the second half of 2020. TSMC's 7nm capacity will increase to 140,000 wpm in 2H'2020. By order proportion, the ranking of customers using 7nm will be re-shuffled. AMD's orders are set to double, replacing Apple as the largest customer [for 7nm]. Huawei's HiSilicon and Qualcomm are similar by order proportion. TSMC's 7nm production capacity continues to rise. The industry expects monthly capacity to reach 110,000 wafers in 1H'2020. The top 5 customers by order proportion are: Apple, HiSilicon, Qualcomm, AMD, and Mediatek. Except for Mediatek, order share is split at roughly 20% each, depending on seasonality. Mediatek's share is around 13%. However, with 7nm capacity rising to 140,000 wpm in 2H'2020, and the largest customer Apple migrating to 5nm with the A14 processor, customer ranking by 7nm orders will be re-shuffled. In one fell swoop, AMD booked capacity for 30,000 wafers, accounting for 21% of total capacity. HiSilicon and Qualcomm's orders are similar, at 17-18%. Mediatek's share also rose to 14%. At present, Samsung's 7nm production capacity is roughly 150,000 wpm. It is also actively increasing 7nm capacity. According to industry rumors, Samsung plans to quadruple capacity in 2020. Nvidia and Qualcomm's next-generation products may be produced using Samsung's 7nm EUV process, but details remain to be seen. Samsung is booked solid and is building extra new capacity at 5nm just like TSMC is doing. TSMC is going to roll the conversion of 7nm lines over to 6nm lithography starting this fall, taking it line by line as 7nm demand drops off. Unless Intel has already taken (booked up) all the converted 7nm to 6nm process space that does actually take place, then there is once again NO SPACE AVAILABLE for Intel to do their new Bob Swan "go get TSMC to build it" plan. ;D I am glad AMD has spotted and reserved enough capacity to DOUBLE their 7nm chiplet flow out of TSMC as they pick up the market share that Intel loses. When AMD finally rolls over to 5nm, Intel can then get some 6nm or 7nm capacity booked at TSMC. Until then Intel will sort their piles of rejects time after time after time while playing all sorts of mickey mouse games with acetone rag wipes, new part numbers, lasered off features, "turbo ratings" and all the rest of Intel's other nasty black bag tricks. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/02/20 at 00:36:38 https://techgage.com/news/amd-launches-zen-2-based-ryzen-ryzen-pro-4000g/ https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-4000-series-4000G-renoir-APU-eight-cores-pre-built-oem http://https://techgage.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/AMD-Ryzen-4000-G-Series-Chip-Shot-680x468.jpg Folks have been attending the AMD launch events for Ryzen 4000 G Series (improved desktop products that do not need a graphics card to do gaming). Intentionally, AMD will only sell Ryzen 4000 G Series to name brand machine builders as AMD feels that Intel's restrictive builder agreements have been abrogated due to Intel's failure to remain competitive and that Intel actually provides an escape clause in their current lockdown agreements and that builders should take advantage of this escape clause before Intel tries to remove it. This is fairly important stuff that is coming out right now that will only get one more set of improvements late this year or early next year before AMD replaces it with 5nm AMD chiplet based products. Note Please: The direct burn lithography used in this Ryzen 4000 chip can lay down 7 "direct focus" burn layers into the same piece of substrate. Next year's 5nm will be able to burn 14 layers deep into the same substrate. But the 7 layers you can get now gives two full sized layers on top of the graphics GPU and several full layers of graphics memory along with several full layers of on chiplet L1 and L2 cache memory and several full sized layers of system level L3 cache. There is a WHOLE LOT of fast direct access memory resting native on the CPU and GPU direct burn silicon substrate portions. The fact that this is an OEM-only launch should be addressed first, because we know that many of our readers have been anxiously awaiting the launch of these chips. After all, Zen 2 + integrated graphics sounds pretty darn tasty – especially since we’ve already seen people do really cool things with the older models. Based on what we heard during the briefing for these chips, it seemed obvious that AMD wanted to cater to what’s really the most massive market with this release. Chips like these are perfect for vendors to jump on now, because it removes the need for a discrete GPU, allowing them to build modest form-factor rigs with sizeable compute power and great graphics. A rough estimate was provided that the OEM market is at least five times larger than DIY, so AMD clearly wants to make sure its vendor partners to have ample supply of these chipsets. Ample supply will be important, too, because there are many models of these Renoir chips launching today. We’ve typically seen AMD release just a few for any given APU launch, but there are many (at the bottom) here: When comparing to the last-gen Ryzen PRO parts, there’s no doubt that these new chips are a major step forward. Again, we’re seeing nicely augmented single-threaded performance, dramatically improved multi-thread performance, and a nice boost to graphics. Compared to the previous generation, AMD claims that its new 4650G can perform about 20% better in Microsoft applications, peaking at 53% with Excel. Knowing all of the improvements made in these new chips, none of that would surprise us. While it’s unfortunate that the DIY crowd is skipped over for this launch, AMD made it clear that there are APUs en route for those users, but likely, they will not carry over the verbatim naming of these newly-launched chips. Cores Clock (Turbo) L2+L3 Memory TDP Price Ryzen Threadripper Pro 3995WX 64 (128T) 2.7 GHz (4.2) 288MB Eight 280W OEM 3975WX 32 (64T) 3.5 GHz (4.2) 144MB Eight 280W OEM 3955WX 16 (32T) 3.9 GHz (4.3) 72MB Eight 280W OEM 3945WX 12 (24T) 4.0 GHz (4.3) 70MB Eight 280W OEM Ryzen Threadripper 3990X 64 (128T) 2.9 GHz (4.3) 288MB Quad 280W $3990 3970X 32 (64T) 3.7 GHz (4.5) 144MB Quad 280W $1999 3960X 24 (48T) 3.8 GHz (4.5) 140MB Quad 280W $1399 Ryzen 9 R9 3950X 16 (32T) 3.5 GHz (4.7) 72MB Dual 105W $749 R9 3900XT 12 (24T) 3.8 GHz (4.7) 70MB Dual 105W $499 R9 3900X 12 (24T) 3.8 GHz (4.6) 70MB Dual 105W $499 Ryzen 7 R7 3800XT 8 (16T) 3.9 GHz (4.7) 36MB Dual 105W $399 R7 3800X 8 (16T) 3.9 GHz (4.5) 36MB Dual 105W $399 R7 3700X 8 (16T) 3.6 GHz (4.4) 36MB Dual 65W $329 Ryzen 5 R5 3600XT 6 (12T) 3.8 GHz (4.5) 35MB Dual 95W $249 R5 3600X 6 (12T) 3.8 GHz (4.4) 35MB Dual 95W $249 R5 3600 6 (12T) 3.6 GHz (4.2) 35MB Dual 65W $199 R3 3300X 4 (8T) 3.8 GHz (4.3) 18MB Dual 65W $120 R3 3100 4 (8T) 3.6 GHz (3.9) 18MB Dual 65W $99 Ryzen PRO w/ Radeon Vega Graphics R7 PRO 4750G 8 (16T) 3.6 GHz (4.4) 12MB Dual 65W OEM R5 PRO 4650G 6 (12T) 3.7 GHz (4.2) 11MB Dual 65W OEM R3 PRO 4350G 4 (8T) 3.8 GHz (4.0) 6MB Dual 65W OEM Ryzen w/ Radeon Vega Graphics R7 4700G 8 (16T) 3.6 GHz (4.4) 12MB Dual 65W OEM R7 4700GE 8 (16T) 3.1 GHz (4.3) 12MB Dual 35W OEM R5 4600G 6 (12) 3.7 GHz (4.2) 11MB Dual 65W OEM R5 4600GE 6 (12) 3.3 GHz (4.2) 11MB Dual 35W OEM R3 4300G 4 (8T) 3.8 GHz (4.0) 6MB Dual 65W OEM R3 4300GE 4 (8T) 3.5 GHz (4.0) 6MB Dual 35W OEM Athlon Gold 3150G 4 (4T) 3.9 GHz 6MB Dual 65W OEM Athlon Gold 3150GE 4 (4T) 3.8 GHz 6MB Dual 35W OEM Athlon Silver 3050GE 2 (4T) 3.4 GHz 5MB Dual 35W OEM R5 3400G 4 (8T) 3.7 GHz (4.2) 0.5+4MB Dual 65W $149 R3 3200G 4 (4T) 3.6 GHz (4.0) 0.5+4MB Dual 65W $9 ===================================================== https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-4000-series-4000G-renoir-APU-eight-cores-pre-built-oem Renoir expands AMD's maximum APU core count to eight, allowing AMD to challenge all but the one very best Intel chipset -- Intel's ten-core Core i9-10900/K -- in pre-built systems that come without a discrete graphics card. Given the distribution of high-end vs. low-end pre-builts (and noting that Intel's VERY pricey ten-core Core i9-10900/K ten-core pre-builts likely don't comprise a large portion of the sales mix anyway) the new AMD Renoir APU series should be enough to challenge Intel successfully everywhere in the vast plethora of OEM systems. Given AMD's inherent advantages, like overwhelmingly faster integrated graphics, generally lower price points and much lower power consumption, the Renoir chips could be just the catalyst the company needs to take big strides in the high-volume and lucrative OEM market. Let's just hope that OEMs pair the new AMD chips with capable coolers, motherboards, and dual-channel RAM to get the most out of the Renoir architecture. Given what we've seen from Renoir chips in leaked test results, they look exceptionally promising at their higher power ratings due to the unified L3 cache. Naturally, that will lead to speculation that these Ryzen 4000 chips could disrupt AMD's own carefully manicured retail Ryzen 3000 stack, but at a lower price point than the XT- and X-series chips. That means the Renoir chips could be exceptionally potent at gaming with discrete GPUs, thus reducing the need for gamers to purchase more expensive Ryzen 3000 models. We'll see as systems filter out. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/02/20 at 22:45:13 I am shocked sometimes at the 3 times a year rate of large scale improvements that AMD has worked its way up to now, with me being still all used to the old Intel tic-tock 2 year long slow (with relatively minor % increases) Intel improvement cycle. The thought of Intel firing 11% of their people abruptly just now to get rid of excess layers of people -- with Intel now intending to jump into this phone world paced blender with AMD makes be a bit sad for Intel's people as I know they cannot think or react fast enough to even try to keep up with the whirling blades down at their dangling toes. So, Bob Swan takes his surviving crew from the slowly simmering frog pot and dumps them abruptly right into the "Joe Cartoon frog blender" scenario --- we do all know how this all ends, right? http://https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Sru2E1HX-v4/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEZCPYBEIoBSFXyq4qpAwsIARUAAIhCGAFwAQ==&rs=AOn4CLCbI7hsEAq3kthfyX65l7z0m8TsBA My legs are all cooked from two years in Bob's steaming water pot. Hey, I can't swim very well any more ---- this isn't FAIR ...... |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Eegore on 08/03/20 at 12:57:41 Man that old Joe Cartoon site was hilarious. How there isn't more Insert-Name-Here in a Blender copies is beyond me. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/03/20 at 13:41:46 Hey, they hit the big ones ...... Hillary and Donald both got blessed by the blender bowl back when it was new. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/05/20 at 17:20:04 https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/coming-soon/ThinkCentre-M75n-IoT/p/WMD00000408?clickid=2ZMSKDQOOxyOWyIwUx0Mo3YlUkiT1ESpxT4T1k0&irgwc=1&PID=10078&acid=ww%3Aaffiliate%3Abv0as6 Lenovo has started using AMD low power chipsets in fanless air-cooled finned aluminum boxes like this. Lenovo is getting PC level power & fairly decent gaming power off a 10-16 watt graphics included chipset. These are currently 12nm and 7nm chipsets, with next year's promise being based on the 14 layer 5nm chiplet based products from a year from now. We were just promised a revolution by AMD in what we considered a "PC" and this one may tend to show us what that might tend to look like going a year out into the future. 5nm and smaller lithography will make this all get smaller and a lot less finny looking ...... while giving better compute power and much better gaming graphics. Or, the box can stay the same and Lenovo can just pack in a lot more processing power to match the fairly good cooling capacity that they already have designed into that case. http://https://www.lenovo.com/medias/lenovo-thinkcentre-m75n-iot-amd-subseries-feature-1.jpg?context=bWFzdGVyfHJvb3R8NDMyOTZ8aW1hZ2UvanBlZ3xoNzUvaDBiLzEwODkyNjg5MDgwMzUwLmpwZ3xiZmI5ZmVkOWU0ZDAyZGZhMjFjZDE1ODBmNGQzMGYwY2RlMTkxNGJmYTNlZjBkZDcwMTZhZmMyZjBjMzRjMjli&w=1920 Tough and durable Thanks to tailored, triangular-shaped fins, the ThinkCentre M75n IoT dispels heat more efficiently than most other compact PCs. In fact, this industrial PC can handle ambient air temperatures up to 50[ch730]C (122[ch730]F), more than enough for most work environments. And being military grade tested for durability and reliability, it can also withstand vibrations, humidity, shocks, and dust. http://https://www.lenovo.com/medias/lenovo-thinkcentre-m75n-iot-amd-subseries-feature-2.jpg?context=bWFzdGVyfHJvb3R8MzMwNTN8aW1hZ2UvanBlZ3xoNWIvaDYzLzEwODkyNjg5MjQ0MTkwLmpwZ3xhNDkzM2E4ZjRiMGI2ZWRmZGUyMmE0NDJlYjliOWMzYzQzOTJkY2EwYmQ2ZDM2MjU3MWQxYjExMzMyZDE5ZjYy&w=1920 Front View 1. Power on/off 2. 2 x Serial port 3. USB-C (USB 3.1, Gen 2) 4. USB 2.0 5. USB 3.1 (Gen 2) 6. Headphone / mic combo Easy as A, B, USB-C As light as a paperback book, thinner than the height of a golf ball, the ThinkCentre M75n IoT is easy to deploy and manage. It’s fanless too, which means it's whisper quiet. And it's rich in ports, including USB-C, making accelerated connectivity and future expansion a snap. Front view of the ThinkCentre M75n IoT, highlightng the array of ports http://https://www.lenovo.com/medias/lenovo-thinkcentre-m75n-iot-amd-subseries-ports-rear.jpg?context=bWFzdGVyfHJvb3R8NzM0NzJ8aW1hZ2UvanBlZ3xoNjEvaDYyLzEwOTAwNTY0MTE1NDg2LmpwZ3w1Y2Y5MTIyNjc5YzdkZGI4ZTNjZTczNzg3Zjc1N2MyZTQ3OWEwNjcxOTJhNTQ3ZTRkZTM0N2NiOTY4YjQwODA2Back View 7. Power-in 8. DisplayPort 9. USB 3.1 (Gen 2) 10. USB-C (USB 3.1, Gen 2, DisplayPort) 11. RJ45 12. Kensington lock slot |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/06/20 at 03:52:32 https://liliputing.com/2020/08/mediatek-introduces-t700-5g-modem-for-intel-pcs.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/t700-5g-700x368.jpg MediaTek introduces T700 5G modem for Intel PCs TMediaTek’s contribution to the partnership will be the new MediaTek T700 5G modem, which the company says supports standalone and non-standalone sub-6 GHz networks. According to MediaTek, its new modem has “completed 5G standalone (SA) calls in real world test scenarios. The partnership is an interesting one, because in addition to making wireless chips, MediaTek also makes processors. The company’s processors are popular in Chinese smartphones and low-cost tablets, but they’re also used in some inexpensive Chromebooks, which puts MediaTek into direct competition with Intel — a company that also makes processors for Chromebooks and other laptops. Mediatek will be one of the phone boys who will be moving over into PC world ---- count on it. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/06/20 at 10:52:48 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-9-4950x-rumor-could-it-spell-trouble-for-intel-gaming-supremacy Intel had one (1) good chipset that still held on to the very last gaming crown for Intel. Now AMD is gunning for that very last Intel crown and has started the Zen 3 moves needed to take it. Over at Igor's Lab, sources have indicated that the upcoming Ryzen 9 4950X will have a boost frequency of 4.8 GHz, which is seriously impressive given that it's expected to be a 16-core, 32-thread part. Reports indicate that this is the successor to the 3950X, likely to be called the 4950X -- unless AMD jumps straight to the 5000 naming nomenclature for the Zen 3 "Vermeer" parts, in which case it will likely be called the 5950X. A move such as this wouldn't be all too surprising given that the current 4000-series chips are APUs based on the Zen 2 architecture. AMD has also already confirmed that it will release the first Zen 3 based processors this year, which paired with this rumor could spell some serious number-crunching hardware from Team Red. Although Intel might be running behind in the process node race, it has always had the upper hand in the GHz race, which is what most games tend to favor in the end. If this rumor is true that AMD's new Zen 3 parts will boost to over 5 GHz, as such it might also end up taking the crown for best gaming CPU quite soon. A new architecture, paired with these higher frequencies could lead AMD to clearly win in both on per-core performance as well as multi-core performance. For comparison, the current Zen 2 based 3950X has a base clock of 3.5 GHz and a boost clock of up to 4.7 GHz, which isn't much lower. It isn't really surprising to see AMD's current shipping chips boosting to 4.8 GHz, as it is only 100 MHz more than the current-gen parts and AMD has shown as that its silicon yields are now good enough to support higher boost frequencies, as is proven by the new XT line of processors. Zen 3 is at 5nm 14 layer lithography and it was promised to land at over 5Ghz processor clock speeds very early next year ........... the general trend lately is that AMD stuff comes out earlier than planned simply because everything is ready to go a bit earlier than pessimistically thought originally. |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/06/20 at 18:31:12 https://liliputing.com/2020/08/lilbits-intel-breach-new-android-and-macos-betas-and-more.html When a squid is in mortal danger, it releases a huge blast of ink into the water to confuse it's attacker ...... Intel does the same thing, and Intel is being attacked quite strongly by AMD at the moment. Intel has just leaked out over 20 gigabytes of all of the wonderous sounding long term plans it had been cooking up for the failed 10nm and 7nm Intel processes that Intel has just abandoned with its decision to go with 6nm TSMC to build its next generation of chips. Based on this "leaked info" the tame Intel computer press is blasting out tons & tons of Intel misinformation right and left in a manner that Intel can quietly deny very effectively when it turns out to be complete and utter BS. So ....... how does a squid caught out in the open by predators that are faster and meaner than it is, how does that squid react in order to survive ???? :-/ CONFUSION AND LOTS OF SQUID INK ...... ::) ........ followed by a camouflage color change and actively burrowing into the color matched sand very very quickly. I haven't checked on the good ship USS Intel in a goodly while, last I looked it was spinning slowly in the toilet bowl whirlpool and it was sitting really sorta low in the water. But that was a goodly while ago, so we really need to go take a quick look in the bowl to see what is happening to the good ship USS Intel lately ....... |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/06/20 at 18:53:58 http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQwh0JMPVC_b9oThUSy5qFCqd7tdebEUYVNAg&usqp=CAU eeek !! The old good ship USS Intel, it's GONE Check very carefully for an outline on bottom or sides of the bowl --- it may have color matched itself to the surroundings or burrowed on into the surface so it can try to hide from the AMD sharks. Or, it may have transformed into something else entirely ...... or else gone on down the S trap to start on the inevitable long long journey to the sea like any venerable old turd should most properly have done. The old Intel plants may still make some more old style chipsets off the same old 14nm process lines (for a while anyway) until they become completely obsolete and totally uneconomical to try to sell them anymore ..... ...... but by then will Intel be back in some other new form ??? Or will it have followed 14nm Global Foundry into irrelevance? |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/08/20 at 05:47:54 Where is Intel? |
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Title: Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes Post by Oldfeller on 08/08/20 at 08:53:43 https://liliputing.com/2020/08/huawei-mate-40-will-be-the-last-flagship-phone-with-a-kirin-processor.html Huawei may be the world’s top smartphone maker at the moment when it comes to the number of devices shipped But due to actions by the US government, the company is going to have a hard time sourcing components for its phones soon. In fact, Huawei won’t even be able to continue making its own smartphone chips much longer at TSMC. Huawei CEO Richard Yu says that the upcoming Huawei Mate 40 will be the company’s last flagship to ship with a high-end Kirin processor. That means that not only can Huawei not buy parts from US-based companies like Qualcomm. But as of September 15, 2020, it also means that overseas companies like Taiwanese chip manufacturer TSMC cannot use equipment purchased from US companies to manufacture Huawei’s own processors for the Chinese electronic company. As a recent op-ed in Bloomberg points out, that means it’s likely that Huawei will have to buy chips from MediaTek or other third-party chip makers based outside of the United States in the future, since the US order doesn’t seem to prohibit that. It’s unclear what that will mean for Huawei’s future in the smartphone space. While the company’s Kirin chips have been very competitive with the latest Qualcomm and Samsung processors, MediaTek is better known for its processors for low-end and mid-range devices. The company does offer some high-end chips such as the MediaTek Dimensity 1000, but they have not been widely adopted. This isn’t the first time that Huawei has been hit by US sanctions. Last year the company began shipping its Android smartphones without access to the Google Play Store or other official Google apps such as Gmail, YouTube, Chrome, and Google Maps. But that doesn’t seem to have been enough to stop the company from taking 1st place in smartphone shipments in the most recent quarter… largely due to Huawei’s strength in its home market of China. So maybe it’s too soon to count the company out. But for now, Yu says that the companysupplies of the upcoming Huawei Mate 40 will likely be limited, due to the chip supply issues. |
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