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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #735 - 09/02/17 at 12:25:36
 

Did she object to the Amazon software on the Fire/Kindle?

HAVE YOU EVER RUN OUT OF MEMORY ON YOUR FIRE/KINDLES IN THE PAST?  (denotes you need more than 16 gig of storeage)

Amazon makes larger devices and I'm  on the lookout for larger tablets as that seems to be where you are headed.

Amazon stuff goes on half price sale periodically ...... regularly ...... and you got Thanksgiving Black Friday and all the pre-sales coming on strong.

They also show used/returned on Amazon prime for a third off all the time.

For example, here is a used 9" HD "previous generation" unit for $104 (not from Amazon -- approved 3rd party)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B008GFRE5A/ref=sr_1_15_olp?s=electron...


Click on the 32 gig button and see similar items with more memory for $124

ASK QUESTIONS !!!!!

Got to watch what is being sold used even on Amazon as some older stuff has no support time left on it which is why it is getting sold off by some devious sneaky pete.

Rule of thumb, buy no more than one generation back from Amazon (or from an approved vendor) directly as they will honor guarantees and they will take it back if you complain within a week after getting it if it isn't up to snuff or it wasn't described correctly.    If an approved vendor screws up, Amazon gives you your money back and for all they care you can keep the trash (or the vendor can arrange to get it back himself).
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #736 - 09/02/17 at 14:01:56
 

WINNER WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER !!!!


$111 FOR 32 GIGS OF MEMORY 8.9" SCREEN WITH DOLBY AUDIO


https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B007W63WEQ/ref=olp_twister_child?ie=U...

WARNING:  this one has some screen scratches on it, which means if you communicate with the seller he will likely discount it further to entice you into buying it.

Read internet reviews on this item and decide if it is something that is worth $111 to you.   It is two generations back but it will likely tide you over until all the new stuff is completely real and out there on the market.

Black Friday is coming ......   new new stuff, full warranty, similar prices
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #737 - 09/02/17 at 14:42:05
 

Today, Sept 2       TIPPING POINT IS REACHED

Germany reports PCs containing Ryzen chipsets are outselling Intel in all three of the major retail sales channels.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/numbers-dont-lie-amd-outselling-150058169.html

Amazon reports the same thing.


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In the ever shrinking PC marketplace, gaming is #1  (some say big business machines are bigger in the USA but they only get replaced every 4-6 years now)

And in Gaming, Intel is now #2  ---  AMD Ryzen produced at 10nm is #1 in gaming now.

EXPECT TO SEE INTEL TAKE ACTION, BIG BIG ACTION, REAL FAST OVER THIS

Intel cannot hang around at 14nm for even a second longer or they will lose more ground that they cannot recover ..... ever.

Look to see some arranged nuisance lawsuits from 3rd party persons attacking Intel's competitors to force them to turn their attention away from wiping the court with poor 'ol crippled Intel.

Intel needs more time and there simply isn't any more for them to have ....
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #738 - 09/02/17 at 17:31:54
 
Carol read it all and read reviews on the 8.9" . That's probably gonna be a winner. No telling what this thread saved me. Tons of hassle,dodged.
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Reply #739 - 09/02/17 at 18:20:18
 
https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=9&qpc...

Truth is "These are desktop numbers being enumerated... Count Android, servers and embedded systems and it'd appear the whole world runs atop the Linux kernel."
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #740 - 09/02/17 at 19:04:29
 

Windows on ARM is going to run off of Linux and BSD if you believe what is being pushed out at the moment --- Intel refuses to let "their proprietary x86 systems calls" to be used in any form of emulation for any other type of processors.

So Windows 10 ARM will have to use the x386 on Linux & BSD systems calls, which belong to FOSS and are protected by an army of angry Gnomes who really really want Mickey to go screw up some so Win 10 ARM can suddenly wind up as a free FOSS program.

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..... and the finance world people think this would be a good thing to have happen, to get MS out of the OS business as it is a drain on what they see as the real businesses, you know, the internet support ones that makes us finance guys lots & lots of money ......
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #741 - 09/03/17 at 13:11:34
 

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/02/17 at 17:31:54:
Carol read it all and read reviews on the 8.9" . That's probably gonna be a winner. No telling what this thread saved me. Tons of hassle,dodged.



Things to expect:   It is Amazon.   Old Amazon does not get updated like other OS systems, so things it doesn't do it won't ever do.

If you go that way make sure you have RETURN RIGHTS in case it won't do something you need.

Then use the crap out of it immediately for everything you normally do to discover what's what real quick-like so you can return it if it isn't right.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #742 - 09/03/17 at 13:28:20
 

When you have to have old style Windows ......

When dealing with old style hardware.   I just had to download a "windows only"Seagate ICare.exe to recover the format on a 1 terabyte Backup drive from Seagate, an item that was only used on a Simple.tv system to store OTA TV shows after they were recorded.

Simple.tv has died as a company, but the attached hardware was all standard bits and pieces that I will recover for future use (apart from the little Simple.tv box itself, which is now become a plastic paperweight).

Each household should have one Windows machine tucked off in a corner, for just such occasions.


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This is funny to me anyway.   

Using the Last Windows 10 machine in the house, I let Seagate's super special recovery utility grind away at my little USB backup drive for 2 hours and it only found six miscellaneous files that were all empty.   It said the 1 terabyte drive was trashed and could not be recovered.  It could not be low level formatted.  It was DEAD, throw it away.

My Linux distro Wouldn't/Couldn't mount it or read it either.    Drive simply wasn't there and it would not mount.

So, being forced backwards into witchcraft, I took out my ancient bootable Linux G-PARTED recovery disk and slapped it in the read/write DVD drive on my Linux box and spun it up.   The old barely graphical interface showed a drive where the usb drive should be, and it was the correct size.

BUT there was something strange here.  

The modern year or so old 1 terabyte NTFS Seagate Backup Plus had been reformatted by Simple.TV into ...... roll drums please ......  MSDOS format.

And MS couldn't recognise it at all, although it was in their very own original native format.   I laughed out loud at this complete utter absurdity.

It took G-Parted 10 seconds to format the entire drive over to NTFS.   After which none of my equipment had an issue moving files to it or from it.

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #743 - 09/03/17 at 17:48:59
 

CLICK ON THIS AND WATCH IT

https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2017/P4171

This is the MS Win 10 on ARM group making a presentation to the world.

READ THE COMMENTS BELOW as a host of readers respond "Bullshite, not this again -- you will never really carry through with it and it WILL NOT WORK the way you say it will, it never does -- this is our 5th time around this particular outhouse and you have lied to us all 4 times previously."

Next, why is it a nameless guy from India instead of one of the top main MicroDogs presenting this very important new technology?      (deniability)

Is this only for India, where there is both a good demand and a patent/legal environment where they can tell Intel where to go stick their "you can't use our proprietary x386 systems calls" nonsense?    

Mebbe, who knows?

Point being, ARM chipsets the size of your thumbnail are VERY MUCH capable of running a PC experience.     Shocked    And next year this ability gets a 30x throughput boost from DynamIQ .....      

MS IS going there, ASAP.    They have to.    Intel may cause MS some short term friction drag, but they will not stop this from happening.

This Fall, Eve ships from Google, Android Oreo is already out there, Chrome OS has already become completely mobile ready (100% naturally) and all Intel is going to accomplish by being a dog in the x86 manger is to screw MS up with MS having to do a VERY NECESSARY tectonic shift over to a new platform --- like MS has to go do it right now, fast.    

All Intel is actually doing is reaping what they sowed with them taking a protracted vacation from progress these last past 4+ years ......  with Intel's QUITTING and leaving Consumer Electronics for over a year and then failing at Internet of Things and failing at Automotive and failing at AI ..... and now having to come back to Consumer Electronics because they got nowhere else to go.

                                                           Tongue

IT IS ALREADY WRITTEN UP ON THE WALL Intel IS going to take the beeg one up the shorts, and that massive sharp tushie pain is coming no matter what they try to do to try to screw MS up over this upcoming platform shift.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #744 - 09/04/17 at 06:45:30
 

http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2017/08/intels_cfo_i_think...


Intel's CFO: 'We hate layoffs,' but 'we're trying to deal with reality here'

August 24, 2017 at 9:45 AM

Intel's chief financial officer spoke openly about bloated staffing levels earlier this month, questioning the need for so many "layers of people" at meetings and signaling his intent to bring those numbers down.

"Honestly, I think we have too many people," Bob Swan told members of Intel's finance group during a large staff meeting at the company's Ronler Acres campus in Hillsboro, according to a recording obtained by The Oregonian/OregonLive.

A source with direct knowledge of the company's plans said Swan was not merely thinking out loud: A significant percentage of jobs could disappear, likely numbering in the hundreds altogether.

No decisions have been made, insiders say. Private discussions within the company have included conversations about whether to eliminate finance jobs now, or to do it more gradually and rely on normal attrition to reduce the number of layoffs.

The cuts would be far far fewer than the 15,000 jobs Intel eliminated across the company in 2016 as it began to reposition itself in preparation for a long-term decline in its core PC market. It currently employs just over 100,000 worldwide, including 19,300 in Oregon, more than any other business in the state.

Intel declined to elaborate on Swan's comments. The company has pledged massive spending reductions over the next three years to boost profits at a time of slowly growing sales.

Though Swan works at the corporate headquarters in Santa Clara, a high proportion of his staff works at Intel's four main campuses in Washington County. The company has a large administrative presence in Oregon.

In his remarks, Swan indicated those spending reductions are core to the company's long-term goals. He acknowledged, though, that job cuts and upheaval within the business are weighing on employee morale - especially in the middle of last year, when Intel began the largest round of job cuts in its history.

"We're trying to be great. It's hard work. It's messy. We get it," Swan said. "We understand that you're frustrated. You've given us feedback. We're trying to act on it. And we're getting a little bit better, but it's not enough. We'll continue to work at it."


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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #745 - 09/04/17 at 07:06:22
 
Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 09/03/17 at 13:11:34:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/02/17 at 17:31:54:
Carol read it all and read reviews on the 8.9" . That's probably gonna be a winner. No telling what this thread saved me. Tons of hassle,dodged.



Things to expect:   It is Amazon.   Old Amazon does not get updated like other OS systems, so things it doesn't do it won't ever do.

If you go that way make sure you have RETURN RIGHTS in case it won't do something you need.

Then use the crap out of it immediately for everything you normally do to discover what's what real quick-like so you can return it if it isn't right.



I've gotta get her to read this,too.
Thanks for the advice.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #746 - 09/04/17 at 17:59:48
 

http://www.androidauthority.com/intel-rattled-windows-emulation-snapdragon-83...

Is Intel rattled about Windows "compatibility layer" for the Snapdragon 835?        yep

With a number of big name manufacturers already queueing up to launch Snapdragon-powered systems, the laptop market could be in for a major shakeup.

The emulation issue only rears its head when running current and older x86 applications. Based on what we’re seeing so far, Microsoft’s work is starting to look more like a compatibility layer than out an all-out emulation, with native ARM code stepping in for existing Microsoft DLLs and OS functions.


Read the whole thing and realize that MS is stepping very carefully around Intel's proprietary x86 systems calls by using other longer existing calls from Linux and Unix (Linux FOSS source calls and Apple's BSD based source calls from the now totally FOSS Mac OS) along with a smattering of FOSS stuff from Linux Wine and the Reactos Project.

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #747 - 09/05/17 at 01:41:11
 

As Intel, MS and Qualcomm struggle in contest over laptops based on last year's best Snapdragon 835 phone chip, Huawei has just announced the first DynamIQ equipped chips using the Kirin 970 with a Mali G72 with its built in AI Neural Processor.   (and with an added AI neural processor block as well as it turns out)

And the world moved over that way 100 yards as the shifting of the tectonic plates happened.

Mind you, they mated up the Mali G72 with the exact same year before last bone stock big and little cores (now run at 10nm), bumped up the radio baseband specs up double to let the chip breathe and gave it enough systems memory to let it breathe.   It isn't the best it can be, but it still turned in 25 TIMES improvements in throughput on video image recognition, the very hardest thing you can do on a smart phone.  

And it goes on sale next month.

And folks, that 30-50x times better processing speed that was promised?    Well, it ranges from 25x to 30x right now depending on what you are running on the Mate 10 phone.   AI execution of learned items is SIMPLY AMAZING,  there just ISN'T any comparison to old technologies because the AI is done before the old stuff gets started.  

But you got to have an AI based app to get to use all this new speed .......

This applies right now to movies, pictures, games and display of web pages, etc.    What used to have to be sent up the web to a server farm, calculated and then sent back to you is now handled on your phone at speeds that your Mark 1 eyeball simply can't follow very well.

Every software out there will have to be optimized to take advantage of this HUGE HUGE improvement in computer processing power.    It is worth it and it means that all old legacy apps will all fade away very shortly.

Intel was never into Graphics, which means they sorta missed out on this boat completely.   AMD however gets it, and AMD will inherit the laptop/desktop space pretty quickly accordingly, with the old phone SOC builders being their main competition going forward.

Google gets it completely, and will be the first full infrastructure to convert over to AI based everything.    Chromebooks may become hard to compete against in laptop space.

MS is still struggling hard to accommodate ARM chipsets of the previous generation sort, and MS will have to struggle again to accommodate this latest  wave of AI change.

Intel jest upped and died yesterday, but Intel hasn't bothered to read their email yet so they are oblivious to everything that is going on yet again.


Wink      Change, she comes .......



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Better info is coming out of Kirin 970's origins and design.    It REALLY IS last year's chip run at 10nm, with the 10nm radio/baseband such is available now,  using the new Mali G-72 GPU unit swinging a second neural processing "add in" chunk that gives more AI speed than just the plain G-72 could give.

Huawei did a very selective "bang for the bucks" VERY QUICKLY DONE upgrade that has kicked them all the way to the front of the pack and raised the bar for all that follow them.

Qualcomm has dropped plans for its Snapdragon 836 minor upgrade, since it gets no advantage over the Kirin 970 in any area.

This also includes the new interim bump chip from Samsung, it too has also dropped off the map.  

ARM itself is paying attention, since it is now obvious that they really needed a larger AI block built into the Mali G-72 from the very beginning.

Huawei's use of the "adder block" of AI process shaders has yielded a clearly superior chipset and that has not gone un-noticed.    It is enough of a boost that an older chip design kicks all the arguably more modern better chipsets butts right now.

Huawei put some minor $$ on the x50 faster side of last year's chipset and got a whole lot of mileage out of it -- look to see others do likewise, at once.  

ARM has just put out a site chock full of FOSS things to use while updating old apps to use AI learned execution.    Google has done likewise.

Also see basic Apps start to get rewritten by the app's owners for AI learned fast execution as it is the wave of the future.   Those that make this mental jump quickly will succeed, those that fail to do so quickly will die off naturally.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #748 - 09/06/17 at 17:37:55
 

MS is struggling to rewrite Windows 10 to use ARM chipsets and to wean themselves away from Intel.    MS will support the AI revolution at the same time, as they got no choice about it.  Once this happens and the dust settles, a whole new generation of lower cost more powerful equipment will take place.

Google is prepping what will be the initial EVE generation of Chromebooks, the first that are completely totally integrated with your Android phone use tricks and DynamIQ processors.

Google understands that Windows is still going to be more user time consuming and is slower compared to what Google has out there now --- and Google will roll in the DyamIQ based AI wave at a deliberate pace to make sure that large performance difference always stays out in front of the purchasing public for the next several years.

Intel is frantically searching for a sufficiently powerful small X86 chipset to stay in the game at all, but frankly that effort does not look good at the moment as Huawei has just dropped the first of the AI chipsets and Intel is now MILES away from being performance competitive at all to that first shot out of the DynamIQ gun.


Smiley        Intel just ran out of time ......       Smiley


Now is the year of violent shifts and large changes in the computing landscape.   NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO BE BUYING BRAND NEW STUFF AT FULL PRICE, now is the time to carefully learn what's what and let the dust settle out some before buying again.  

Trust that this rapid innovation makes for warehouses full of new units that will become "functional seconds" regularly now -- there will be lots of WOOT deals popping up out there for you to scoop up cheap.

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Reply #749 - 09/06/17 at 18:43:43
 

Qualcomm has lost their appeal in the South Korean "excess license fees" case.    Qualcomm will have to calculate their license off of the cost of their components, not the cost of the entire phone from this point forward.

Look to see Apple and Samsung sue Qualcomm for the huge amount of excess fees collected in years past as part of their court mandated "renegotiations".

This will tee off a wave of similar results in Qualcomm's appeals and settlements in a plethora of other countries.    

Mobile SOCs just got cheaper .....


Roll Eyes


Within an hour Qualcomm stock price dropped a very fast 16% in late trading with more to come during the normal day tomorrow.



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Qualcomm took another dip, then rebounded most of the way back on news that Qualcomm's top of the line chipset for next year, Snapdragon 840 will come out early sporting an AI block and the full range of DynamIQ features as being pushed by ARM.

The interim bump chip, the Snapdragon 836 has been cancelled as of this point in time.

Qualcomm's big acquisition of NXP is now in question with stock pickers saying at this point with Qualcomm losing a chunk of their licensing income flow the cost of the NXP purchase would drive Qualcomm under water for several years and would make Qualcomm a "no buy" recommendation during that several year period.

Here is Qualcomm stock posture, over the last six months.

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