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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #765 - 09/17/17 at 09:50:48
 

https://liliputing.com/2017/09/amd-ryzen-5-2500u-benchmarks-hint-ryzen-coming-la
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AMD plans to launch a line of Ryzen Mobile chips with integrated graphics aimed at laptops by the end of the year.

We got an early look at some details earlier this year, thanks to a series of leaks, and now some benchmark results give us an even better idea of what to expect.

Formerly codenamed “Raven Ridge,” Ryzen Mobile chips will be part of AMD’s APU or “Accelerated Processing Unit” family and the Ryzen 5 2500U is expected to be a 4-core/8-thread processor with AMD Radeon Vega graphics.

A listing at Geekbench seems to confirm those specs, and an image posted to reddit seems to suggest that the chip is showing up in 3DMark 11 benchmark results as well.

I’d take the actual benchmark scores with a grain of salt, since we’re talking about unreleased products. But at this point it looks like the Ryzen 5 mobile chip outperforms a Core i7-7660U Kaby Lake processor with Intel Iris Plus 640 graphics in 3D Mark 11.

What did they just say again?  

AMD has a family of CPU/GPU/AI Accelerator coming on, the first one of which AMD plans to launch as a line of Ryzen Mobile chips with integrated graphics aimed at laptops by the end of the year.

We got an early look at some details earlier this year, thanks to a series of leaks, and now some benchmark results give us an even better idea of what to expect.

Formerly codenamed “Raven Ridge,” Ryzen Mobile chips will be part of AMD’s APU or “Accelerated Processing Unit” family and the Ryzen 5 2500U is expected to be a 4-core/8-thread processor with AMD Radeon Vega graphics.

A listing at Geekbench seems to confirm those specs, and an image posted to reddit seems to suggest that the chip is showing up in 3DMark 11 benchmark results as well.

I’d take the actual benchmark scores with a grain of salt, since we’re talking about unreleased products. But at this point it looks like the Ryzen 5 mobile chip outperforms a Core i7-7660U Kaby Lake processor with Intel Iris Plus 640 graphics in 3D Mark 11.


What to think about it ......  if it uses an Accelerated (AI)  combined CPU/GPU/AI processor with a decent amount of conjoined fast memory AMD could just plain eat Intel alive in Laptop Space on a cost/performance basis.

Anywhere that Intel has suddenly grown a modern AI based competitor, they have immediately lost a chunk of market share to that competitor -- this seems to be an oft repeated theme lately.

Making a big assumption here that the Win 10 AI software side of the equation will be all ready to go from MS that is ......



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What do you see here?   Same piece of silicon holds an AI capable CPU/GPU/AI processor with shared on die Memory.   The gaming guys are simply going nuts over this because it means they get REAL gaming laptops that are as thin and light as anything out there right now.



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While on that topic of MS's old non AI softwares being a drag upon the whole AI concept, read this to see what FOSS is doing about it.

https://www.wired.com/2016/06/microsofts-open-source-love-affair-reaches-new-...

But open source and AI is about more than just selling more software and services. About 18,000 developers from more than 1,300 different companies outside of Microsoft have contributed to .NET Core 1.0, according to the company. Why work on Microsoft's products for free? For James Niesewand and his team at Illyriad Games, it allows them to fix their own problems .NET without having to wait for Microsoft to do it, or writing their own programming platform from scratch.

"Three years ago if we had a problem with .NET, we'd write-up a bug report, submit it," he says. "After a few weeks you might get a response acknowledging it, and maybe a year later you'd get a release that fixes it." Now, he says, the company can write their own fixes and have them approved by Microsoft in hours.

Microsoft reaps huge benefits from this. The company uses .NET for its own cloud-based services, so, in theory, the improvements made to the platform by Illyriad and other outside developers could have ripple effects throughout Microsoft's empire, from Outlook.com to Cortana. That's how Facebook and Google develop software, too. If an outside developer figures out how to speed up Facebook's development framework React, then everyone—including Facebook's users—benefit from faster, more responsive applications. If an academic studying artificial intelligence finds a way to make Google's AI framework TensorFlow better, then that researcher will get a better tool and Google will get improvements that could trickle out to every part of its business that depends on TensorFlow.


SO IN OTHER WORDS, MS gets to exist for yet another year or so, with OTHER PEOPLE volunteering to be a' kicking their can down the road for a little bit further.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #766 - 09/18/17 at 15:53:11
 

http://wccftech.com/tsmc-arm-cadence-7nm-server-chip/

TSMC Partners Up With ARM & Cadence (IBM) For 7nm Data Center Chips; Expects 70% Size & 60% Power Reduction With 30% Clock Boost.    Yup, this is a real 7nm run off wafer with over 500 copies of a 7nm Cadence (IBM) Data Center chipset.



Having already run off the chipsets, the aforementioned numbers can be carried to the bank ....  and with TSMC getting SO MANY MORE extra little SOCs per standard wafer, then the finished cost for a 7nm SOC may actually GO DOWN SOME compared to the old lower SOC count 10nm and 14nm "per wafer" SOC costing.  

Extreme Ultra Violet laser processing cuts out two full lithography passes and the use of two masks compared to 10nm, so it is cheaper that way too.   Smaller, cheaper, faster, yields 35% more chipsets per wafer, so what's not to like with 7nm ????
                                      Roll Eyes     ....... oh yeah, it runs on 0.45 volts so cell phone batteries can get smaller and cheaper too?

TSMC, ARM And Cadence Partner Up For 7nm Server Chips In 2018;
Will Feature ARMv8.2 And DynamIQ


The race for 7nm is on. We’ve seen big statements from both Samsung and TSMC’s end over the course of the year. Both will use EUV for manufacturing and Samsung looks to be the one ahead of TSMC at the moment. However, the Taiwanese fab is eager to experiment and show off its prowess as well. TSMC will build 7nm test chips next year, to be used in data centers. ARM and TSMC haven’t disclosed which cores the chip will use.

This chip will be based on ARMv8.2, feature DynamIQ, CMN-600 interconnect bus, a DDR4 memory controller and PCI Express 3.0/4.0. According to Dr. Cliff Hou, VP R&D, “Artificial intelligence and deep learning will significantly impact industries including media, consumer electronics and healthcare. TSMC’s most advanced 7nm FinFET process technology provides high performance and low power benefits that satisfy distinct product requirements for High-Performance Computing (HPC) applications targeting these markets.”

TSMC claims that its current 7nm FF chips will allow users to reduce power consumption by as much as 60%. It’ll shrink die size by 70% and boost clock rates by 30%. These are big numbers and go to show what a beast 7nm will be in the future.

TSMC expects 7nm to be commercially usable by Q2 2018 with Samsung hitting slightly earlier in Q1 2018.



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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #767 - 09/19/17 at 16:43:02
 

Why is Intel being so fearful and alarmed at the pending wave of Snapdragon 835 Win 10 machines?    Because there is no way in hell that Intel can compete against the 835s with the hugely larger bill of materials that an Intel based machine must have in order to work at all.  

Think of the simple difference in a lowered purchase cost and a greatly increased battery life that the Snapdragon units will have over ALL the Intel devices.

It isn't really just about defeating Chromebooks, it is Intel fearfully considering completely losing a huge chunk of its laptop market share inside of 2 years .......  

Intel sees ARM hitting them hard down low and AMD hitting them hard in the middle and Apple cranking up their own ARM based processor for taking share from that upper segment of laptop space.




Now take the motherboard stuff on the left and plug next generation's 7nm DynamIQ SOC into it and reap a 25-30 times boost in processing speed on a wide variety of things by using AI learned execution speeds .....  now start running that 7nm DynamIQ board off of only 1-2 volts of battery power and see all that moldy old Intel tech still sucking up 7.5 volts and/or 5.5 volts off of it's big old style laptop batteries.    

ARM will be many many times faster than Intel then and ARM will be actually lasting for WHOLE DAYS on standby then --- not just a few hours like Intel does now ....


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Intel just leaked that they have failed on their 10nm trials again -- 10nm is being pushed off into 2018 time range, sometimes, yet again.   

Hear Intel's first hearty squeals as the BEEG ONE begins to penetrate their fundamentals ......



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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #768 - 09/20/17 at 17:44:47
 

https://liliputing.com/2017/09/sure-looks-like-google-buy-htc-least-phone-divisi
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Google may be preparing to buy HTC’s phone division, and an announcement could come as soon as September 21st.



This wouldn’t be the first time Google bought a phone maker. The company acquired Motorola in 2012 and sold it to Lenovo two years later. At the time it seemed pretty clear that Google wasn’t interested in developing its own smartphone hardware and competing with all the other companies that sold phones powered by Google’s Android software. Instead, what Google got with its purchase of Motorola was access to a large library of patents which helped fend off lawsuits from other companies.

Now it’s 2017 and things look a lot different. Google does sell phones with its own name on them, in an effort to offer an integrated hardware and software experience that’s similar to what Apple can offer with its iPhones. But the original Pixel and Pixel XL weren’t actually built by Google. They were made by HTC. This year’s models are expected to be manufactured by HTC and LG.


Google is preparing to give "that clear example of what you should be doing" to the phone industry as they prepare to jump off into AI and DynamIQ conjoined processing.   This means buying HTC's phone division and getting hold of at least one associated HTC phone manufacturing plant.

This phone building move is again likely to be fairly short term thing (especially if Samsung and the other big uns take umbrage at it).  

But Google has to go into phone building again as HTC (or the other little guys) won't make the needed full DynamIQ product shifts unless they are shown a clear competitive reason to have to do so.  

Example of these timid half moves is Huawei moving the Mali G72 and a adder AI processor block over into last year's phone as their big upgrade for this upcoming year (and yes, they were smart to identify the timing advantage of that particular half move and it WAS good enough to quickly put them at the front of the little guy pack for the next 6 months or so for very very little cost).   Very smart, very quick, very Chinese.

But it wasn't a 7nm full DynamIQ product changeover by anyone's estimation.   Stopped short on all but two items, a Mali G72 GPU and a conjoined AI processor, but it did show how just those two pieces alone can leave everybody who is still slinging pure "old school" in the rear view mirror eating them some Huawei dust .....

Owning the HTC Phone Division (the makers of most of the past Nexus and Pixel phones) gives Google the "make stuff" ability they will need in the next 3-5 years.   Google will be making a lot of "this is how we make it" stuff during that period of time as AI slowly phases fully into computing.


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https://liliputing.com/2017/09/google-buys-part-htcs-phone-business-1-1-billion.
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DONE DEAL   Now it looks like Google is going all-in on the idea of building its own phones. The company has announced a $1.1 billion deal to hire about 2,000 people away from HTC and to license intellectual property from the company. Google is officially becoming a phone maker.

The deal is actually a little smaller/more complicated than some folks had expected: HTC is offering its IP in a non-exclusive arrangement. And the company will continue to make phones and other products (like the HTC Vive VR headset) under its own brand name.

HTC says this will let the company streamline its product portfolio, although there was obviously never anything stopping HTC from doing that before. the bigger news is that HTC, which has been struggling to compete with rivals like Samsung, Apple, and Huawei in recent years, now has $1.1 billion more to play with. That could help the company shift its focus in the coming years.

For now, HTC says it’s already working on the follow-up to this year’s HTC U11. So it looks like HTC isn’t exiting the phone business just yet.

This isn’t the first time Google has bought significant assets from a phone maker. The company acquired Motorola’s phone business in 2012, but sold it to Lenovo two years later. In that case Google was only really interested in the patents.

The HTC deal comes at a time when Google is doubling down on its Pixel line of premium devices which the company says offer “the best Google experience” in hardware, software, and services. In the past Google, like Microsoft, has basically offered software and services and relied on partners for the hardware. But, like Microsoft, the company has decided to have it both ways in recent years… but offering a premium line of products for a best-in-class experience, while also continuing to make its software available for third-party device makers to give customers a range of choices when it comes to features and price points.

It remains to be seen what kind of impact this will have on Google’s consumer hardware lineup. The company is holding an event on October 4th to unveil new products including phones, smart speakers, and a laptop. But all of those items were in the works before the HTC deal was announced.



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Next item worth predicting,  T-Mobile and Sprint will join together finally into one company.  

Constantly on GIGABYTE Mobile capacity (LTE 5.0+) is going to be expensive to do, and by combining tower ranges a LOT of money will be saved for the two carriers.    10s of Billions saved in the first year, more the second year.   Beware that monthly charges will go up as the two competing freely is what brought the monthly bills down this past few years.

Plus there is that new wave of tech coming, and being in Google's camp is a smart place to be right now.

How much influence Google had on this budding deal is debateable, but the two companies actually did cooperate some on the Google Fi phone project and they both saw solid benefits from actually cooperating together.

Google's Fi radio / baseband tricks are becoming more and more common as "the do anybody's towers" baseband and radios have begun to become commonplace and I can see the new Sprint/T-mobile carrier making a real big thing about already having that capacity and making that combo tower Fi tech type power available on all their simm cards for all supported brands (and that will be just about all new cell phones, btw).


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Apple has hired away the cream of Imagination's graphic processor design people, but the surviving customerless company is attempting to sell itself to ...... ANYBODY ..... as a strong value added proposition.

Intel really doesn't get graphics and AI all that deeply, and Imagination would be a good purchase if Intel can afford it after having just blown a couple of billions buying several hover toy type companies.

   Roll Eyes

Imagination's stuff is available to license if you can't afford  to buy the whole company outright.    Licensing Mali G72 graphics directly from ARM would be a better licensing choice, however.

Sept 23, 2017       Imagination found a Chinese company to buy them.   Deal is pending governmental approvals.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #769 - 09/22/17 at 10:37:12
 
 
https://liliputing.com/2017/09/apple-iphone-8-teardown-reveals-iphone-7-better-c
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iPhone 8 with Apple A11 Bionic SOC outperforms  .......  a Macbook Pro with Intel Core i5.   By a lot, too.



See this sort of stuff happening a lot from from the ARM guys now, especially when those extra AI co-processor blocks are put onto the SOC by everybody (and the app writers start using them all the time) ......



Intel begins it's long long losing streak.     Tongue

Anything Intel dating back to 2016 or earlier (including the Core i7s) is in danger of losing to the brand new AMD AI equipped SOCs.  Ditto for the Apple A11 and A12 Bionic SOC set ups.    Ditto for the new ARM Holdings DynamIQ SOCs that are just starting to come out now.   Double Ditto for the 7nm ARM Holdings DynamIQ SOCs coming out this Christmas and early next year ......

See the great 7nm footrace begin to actually begin in earnest when competitors really start to utilize the AI learned execution functions on as just many processes as possible now that the ARM DynamIQ SOCs are all here with the built in ability to use AI functions .......

Roll Eyes      

Intel just put out "new" line of 14nm chipsets that require you to buy a new motherboard to use them -- expensive new totally locked down motherboards that only yield a 25% processing speed bump.   Ain't got no AI in it at all .....



Yep, it is the exact same old lighthouse, jest with more layers of 14nm vaporous brown BS coated over the last 4 years accumulation of 14nm Intel style BS ......


This in a changing world when Huawei just put out a 10nm phone that can do enough AI tricks right off the bat to do 25 TIMES better processing speeds at A VERY MINIMAL COST INCREASE compared to the old school stuff (25x throughput limited only by the lack of apps that take real advantage of the AI processing, but those will come soon enough).

Intel is still not meeting AMD's price ranges and Intel has already lost a whopping 30% of their enthusiast/gamer market share in just ONE quarter because buying you a new AMD motherboard simply gets you a lot better performance for a lot less money compared to Intel.

Qualcomm 835 is coming for low end laptops, AMD conjoined processing is coming for mid to upper end laptops and Apple is going to do something very soon as Intel has dumped off their promised 10nm processors for yet another year .....   Intel is looking to lose at least half their current market share inside the next calendar year.

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #770 - 09/24/17 at 14:01:18
 

https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3017743/intel-reportedly-delays-10n...

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20170920PD207.html

Intel displays a new deniable "disposable" talking head who shares Intel's latest news that they just uprooted everyone's CONFIRMED 2018 production plans for making Intel 10nm products.  

Apple is pissed, "taking steps".


      I am the prettiest one they got left .....

Intel GPU-integrated Cannon Lake may not be ready until year-end 2018, say sources

You think it's a joke, or a spoof --- but it is not.   AMD will be shipping a 10nm conjoined CPU/GPU/AI Accelerator for almost a full solid year before Intel gets their first CPU/GPU on the same chip out of the gate.  

ARM DynamIQ 7nm products will have been shipping for at least full six full months before Intel gets their first 10nm chipset out of the gate.    MS will be shipping Qualcomm 835 laptops from 3 of the big boys for at least six to eight months before Intel gets their finger out of their nose.


Tongue

Prediction:   A-11 or A-12 Apple SOC ships inside some Apple laptops before Intel ever ships a 10nm conjoined SOC period.


What do you think is going to happen to this graph?   Grow a couple of extra lines maybe?   Bet the blue one goes down a bunch as the total of all the lines still has to balance out at 100%.




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It is now a week later, at 9/29/17.   Once again, the financial press (Nikkei to be precise) has broken the newest tech story long before the tech guys themselves get the news.

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/29/apple-interested-processors-modems/

It is all couched in Finance speak, but the gist is that Apple, early this very year decided to build their own video system with full DynamIQ AI ties in built into the system -- and by golly they did it inside a year.   Spent the coins, gutted Imagination Corp for key people, but they did it.   They call it Bionic accelerated Graphics and it shipped last week in the iPhone 8 ......

Base band chipsets and main processor tech are next, with Apple moving on Qualcomm by suing the hell out of them and pirating key people from their ranks.

Apple has reportedly "invested in research and development" for baseband modem chips -- currently sourced from Intel and Qualcomm -- which are required for cellular communication features on Apple's mobile devices. Analysts pointed towards Apple's legal fight with Qualcomm, and its poaching of Qualcomm modem chip engineer Esin Terzioglu, as examples to bolster the theory that the Cupertino company is ready to build its own modem chips.

Apple has stolen personnel from Qualcomm and Intel -- from baseband and radio groups AND from the CPU and memory design groups as well.

Building its own core processor chips for MacBooks would reduce Apple's dependence on Intel, with two industry sources stating that Apple would instead build its notebook chips using ARM Holding's technology, a British company that designs ARM architecture and licenses it out to other companies. Apple's interest in designing chips that integrate touch, fingerprint and display driver functions is said to be because the company "wants to control next-generation display technology and some related key components."

Multiple analysts provided theories behind Apple's move to design more of its own chips for its products, which included staying on the forefront of artificial intelligence, lowering production costs, better protecting proprietary technology, and more.
"By designing its own chips, Apple can better differentiate itself from others. Further, depending too much on other chip suppliers in the age of artificial intelligence will deter its development," said Mark Li, a Hong Kong-based analyst with Sanford C. Bernstein.

"We believe that more system houses will design their own chips. The purposes are to develop and protect their proprietary technology information, to make more efficient chips for their unique need, to lower [costs] and to do inventory control better and keep all logistic operation confidentially," Samuel Wang, a U.S.-based analyst at research company Gartner, said.

Apple has long designed and built the core processing chips found in iPhones and iPads, but this year reports began to emerge of the company's hope to expand the amount of internal iOS device components that it creates on its own. In April, Apple informed Imagination Technology that it would stop using its graphics technology over the next two years, aiming to make its own graphics processing chips and lessen its reliance on the supplier. Less official was a prediction by analyst Karsten Iltgen that Apple would drop Dialog Semiconductor from its supply chain and move to its own in-house power management chips for iPhones by 2019.

This week, Apple was part of a consortium that purchased Toshiba's much-sought-after NAND memory chip unit for $17.7 billion, another move that will eventually allow Apple to be less reliant on other suppliers for device components. Still, many of Apple's in-house chip production lines are many years off, with analyst Mark Li stating that it's "unlikely" Apple will be able to debut its own components -- specifically referring to the modem chips -- within the next two years.


Noting that Apple tends to "just go do it"  look to see these moves completed simo to the AI read in which will take place in 2018.  

Support for this speedy changeover comes from the Imagination saga, gutted and spurned by Apple, just sold itself to the Chinese because nobody in America wanted to pay for tech that had already gone to Apple.   Imagination is now GONE ....

Intel and Qualcomm can look forward to the same treatment, as they have become "undesirable partners" to Apple at this point in time.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #771 - 09/25/17 at 10:02:49
 

There is a MASSIVE wave of NEW product announcements, special term sales, etc. etc. etc.  going on right now as we type.

EVERYBODY is expediting all the old style units they have in the pipeline, yup, all the stuff that uses old school pre-DynamIQ technology set ups in phones, tablets and LAPTOPS.  

Look to see stuff planned for up to a year out being pulled into immediate shipment right NOW ASAP.   What they can cancel of the processor shipments from Intel will be cancelled -- see Intel's new CPU shipments on replaced technology tank immediately to approaching zero in the short term.

If they don't sell it before Thanksgiving, it goes to WOOT and to the Black Friday Sales as "out of date" technologically.    Things already built and sitting will become Seconds, Refurbs, or whatever you want to call out of date moldy stuff that can't be moved unless strongly discounted.  

Deals will be had .....   if it doesn't say 7nm on it consider not buying it at all unless the price is fire sale good.

Remember, before snapping it up any oldy moldy pre-DynamIQ tech things that next year's DynamIQ 7nm stuff will be at least 25 TIMES faster on most pictorial/graphical types of things AND THAT INCLUDES DISPLAYING WEB PAGES,  loading ads, movies, etc.  

And the new 7nm DynamIQ stuff will get 3-4 times the battery life of the old stuff .....

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #772 - 09/25/17 at 10:36:57
 

https://liliputing.com/2017/09/microsoft-announces-4-new-windows-10-s-laptops-co
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=GL-Lc8y5mzA       it is a YouTube, click to watch it

Microsoft is knee jerking as well -- taking the Win 10s products that were originally intended for kids in classrooms and trying to warp them ASAP into something that can compete against Chromebooks in Business.    

Couldn't sell it to the school systems, huh?     That's too bad, right?

Them Chromebooks SUCCESSFULLY going into business like they are doing really really really smarts, doesn't it?    

So, try selling your school failures to normal people saying they are Business Grade machines -- next, try selling them as "off lease" specials right after Christmas .....   hey, say ANYTHING no matter how outlandish to move that dead inventory.

These are the same products that are going to get hit hard by your Win 10 ARM machines when they arrive, so ya gotta do what you have to do to move them before then.

Feeling threatened for very much, Mickey?   Still find yourself building brand new "built to fail" stuff time after time, huh?   Stuff that nobody wants, just sits in warehouses until you sell it off for 10-20 cents on the dollar .....

Embarrassed        Think about how poor Intel feels right about now .....
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Reply #773 - 09/30/17 at 12:33:47
 

today, 9/30/17  TSMC breaks ground on their 3nm production facility.

Yep, real poured concrete plans from TSMC to be at 3nm inside 3-5 years.  

TSMC's EUV laser tech has proven out good enough to do it and the EUV masking tech has been all worked out at 5nm making "new memory" for the last year.   Stuff has to be real before the concrete gets poured .....

Once again, memory production will go first and that lasts for at least a year or two before Apple decides they really really really need a 3nm chip to stay up on top.   Then the "then current 5nm stuff" gets superseded by the new 3nm stuff .....

PREDICTION:

3nm will be at the end of the line for immersion lithography, after that a new tech base will have to take over, something that we haven't even invented yet ....

Your phone will be insanely powerful, 10 gigs of fast memory right on your phone's stacked SOC will be commonplace and OTA gigabyte data  plans will be commonplace.

Your phone will be 50 to 100 times more powerful than the PC you use to read this thread.


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Little factoid Intel doesn't want you to know.

AMD used to base itself off of Intel x86 intellectual properties.

This has changed this year and your soon to come out AMD conjoined AI CPU / GPU/ AI laptop chipsets built at 10nm from AMD are all going to be built using ARM DynamIQ technology with just a few name brand-able tweeks.

Roll Eyes

This same "based on ARM DynamIQ tech" story is true from QUALCOMM and APPLE now as well.    This factoid is followed on this next week by a tripling change in the Linux support cycle to move it from a phone-like 2 year support cycle to a more PC or mainframe like 6 year support cycle.
...... yep, Apple's A-11 Bionic is a tweeked DynamIQ chipset with a custom GPU and AI block ......


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This Lenaro/Linux tripling increase in support time was called for by the Qualcomm 835 / Microsoft's new uses as a PC which are head our way by Christmas.   These devices will be in laptops and desktops and need the same 6 plus year support periods accordingly.

The 2 year phone support/scrap cycle has now officially ended too, with batteries lasting far far longer now and the larger costs of a primo phone causing users to want to keep their phones much much longer than 2 years.

Look to see your DynamIQ based phones and laptops carry Lenaro/Linux/Google based support for up to 6-8 years, with user group based support continuing on far past that.


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https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Apple-A11-Performance-Review-iPhone-...



https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Apple-A11-Performance-Review-iPhone-...

This is PC Performance, a mainstream PC magazine, saying that Apple can go with their home grown Apple A-11 SOC using iOS 10 for software right now and beat up on the current Intel based products very very badly on Apple Mac style laptops.

Better performance, better battery life.  Less expensive to build.

And if they did it right now, they could slow or mostly stop the ever increasing volume losses bleeding over to Chromebooks.

And if they (Apple) doesn't go do it right now, Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 based Win 10 machines will show up and hurt them still further in ways they will not be able to regain at all, ever, going forward.
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Reply #774 - 10/01/17 at 21:56:01
 

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/huawei-kirin-790-processor-mate-10,news-25774.html

Sleeper rumor from Huawei, the new DynamIQ based Kirin 970 set up will have a DeX like docking station that can turn the phone into a desktop PC.

With the 25 TIMES better throughput video related improvements from the AI graphics block and the G72 graphics set this might actually wind up being a really Quick desktop PC .....

We shall see ....   iPhone8 should have been able to do this but Apple missed that boat by not paying attention to what the Android world was doing with the DeX dock thing.


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I spoke too soon about Apple not reacting fast enough  ---  Apple just today posted ARM ready source code for the SNU Kernels that are found in iOS and macOS, laying in the ground work for Macs with A-11 Bionic ARM based processors in Apple Laptops.  

And AI use is part of this SNU Kernel ground work ......

A-11 Bionic is what the changes were written for, that and the upcoming A-12 Bionic with its 2x higher "big" power core count that is intended for the more powerful laptop / desktop requirements.


==================================================     back to Chromebooks


Are Chromebooks sales volumes still increasing rapidly ???   Yes, indeed they are -- the net metrics tracking companies are tracking the last 2 month span where the real use of Linux operating systems to access data on the internet has DOUBLED to clearly over 7% in in laptop space.
(6-10% mildly steady now, it varies week to week)

And yes, this doubling up would include more classroom Chromebooks going into education as the primary expansion zone of this sudden doubling -- but again, some are Chromebook business machines that are going in now to replace the "aging out" of the old existing Intel worker bee hardware.

Key point is that yet another rapid Linux doubling is a fairly significant thing to see happening in laptop space .....  and to see it double up again in only 2 months indicates a tipping point has come and gone on Chromebook use over there in laptop land.

Some pundits say that letting the kiddies take the Chromebooks home with them has resulted in a massive additional use of the internet by Linux based devices.    Other pundits are saying that the definition used for "Laptop" has changed over yonder in the background, causing a shift in the reported numbers.

                 Roll Eyes      no shite, Sherlock ....  teach them kiddies to do EVERYTHING on a Chromebook while they are all young and mentally flexible.  

And quit letting Wintel define what a laptop is and isn't, and hiding their "declining market share" from the public by doing so.



Shortly before this tracking period started, Apple had admitted that Chromebooks had recently grown in size to be larger than Apple's MacPro market volume share -- so this sudden doubling up on Apple's total MacPro size in just two months is something that should be of real concern to Apple.

Apple MUST combat this with a wave of A-11 Bionic and the A-12 Bionic chipsets going into less expensive Macbooks very very very soon, or the damage done to their Apple Laptop market share may well become permanent.


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So, poor Intel howls and moans and rattles their self-imposed chains yet again as yet another couple of fresh players comes up behind them and insert a brand new fresh throbbing BEEG ONE to make fresh assaults on their aching fundamentals.
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Once again, the financial institution fact sheets are getting the real information first, tabulating it and making their sell recommendations accordingly.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4075423-intel-may-lose-half-market-capitalizati
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Intel May Lose Half Of Its Market Capitalization In 2 Years


Summary:

Due to various execution problems at Intel and a strong comeback from AMD, Intel is on the verge of losing massive share in the x86 market and at the risk of losing about half of its EPS.

As AMD ramps to meaningful market share by the end of 2018 and into 2019, we expect severe consequences to Intel's market capitalization. It is not difficult to see Intel losing about half of its current market capitalization by the end of 2018.

AMD remains the top semiconductor pick but now we add Intel as a solid, long-term short candidate. For the first time since the Y2K meltdown, Intel is now an excellent long-term short candidate.

Given the low beta nature of Intel, several low-cost, high-alpha options plays are possible.

Our View of INTC: Sell Short






This data uses the traditional definition of laptop, desktop and tablet -- this definition is busy changing right now and when the smoke clears Intel will be MUCH SMALLER with far more competitors all lined up for their turn at banging away at poor old Intel's ailing (failing) fundamentals.

The article also only uses ONE of Intel's 3-4 potential competitors to base their prediction of Intel's 50% market share loss within the next year.

However, I like that my prediction of Intel losing half their market gets confirmation by a supposedly unbiased, technically proficient financial reporting company like Seekingalpha.

Don't buy anything right now -- too much is up in the air with new alternatives coming on that are going to be MUCH BETTER than Wintel's old stuff.

And fire sale prices on the old stuff are coming this winter as they gotta sell off all the existing stocks of finished old tech laptops, desktops, etc. etc.



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Reply #776 - 10/07/17 at 03:18:43
 

The background suppositions behind this thread are NO LONGER VALID.

Wintel is broken in two with Win now hopping into bed with ARM/Qualcomm in a potentially very messy divorce from Tel, who is now saying Win can't wear any of the clothes or jewelry that Tel had bought for her in years past if she is dating somebody else now ......

ARM has a new standard, DynamIQ, which has made some real motions to get into Laptop space (using the old traditional meaning of laptops) and it is already in the new "phone as a desktop" space as we speak.

The very last "traditional" ARM chipset is the Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 generation -- all generations after that will be DynamIQ based.


=======================================    draw a line in your mind right here as there is no new x386 tech in development any where any more .....


The very first of the non-Apple DynamIQ "do anything" processors is the Huawei Kirin 970 which ships about a week from now.

The delta between the old and new ARM worlds is super fast AI processing, which takes place on the SOC chipset itself and can yield up to a 25 TIMES throughput improvement in graphical things, like web refreshes and video this and that.    

More items beyond graphics will roll into using superfast AI processing just as soon as the apps get modded to use the AI functions, which will very quickly sort out the software world into winners and "technically dead" losers very very quickly.

Huawei is looking to ride this tech change wave effect to go up to at least the #3 slot in the phone world industry wide.   To go to #2 slot is harder ..... but some say Huawei has already taken the #3 slot and is threatening to take the #2 slot next year.

If things happen to go a little sideways, Apple might slip a slot since the Apple fans are not liking the huge price increase Apple just handed them for the AI capable A-11 Bionic processor based phones.

The harsh fact is that ALL of these brand new upper level ARM phone processor SOCs are PLENTY STRONG ENOUGH to run a PC experience.   Apple has just moved to put the needed changes in the Apple kernel software into place to do this "Bionic can go into anything" stuff starting inside this upcoming 2018 year.   Apple's pending A-12 Bionic SOCs which will be landing next year will have twice as many main power cores so it can better drop in as a main desktop/laptop Intel replacement role .....

All the ARM/Chromebook folks are already doing this AI stuff to a limited degree right now and they will do even more of it this upcoming year.

And this change up wave will only get more pronounced inside the next calendar year as old tech begins losing massive market share to new tech.   Intel is in for a very bad year next year as they have nada, zippo, zilch in their pipeline that commands any respect against any of their several new 25x stronger competitors.

Instead Intel internally is talking about doing more people cutting to stay in balance with what they can actually sell  and the Intel personnel's very poor moral and all the other associated people type issues are quite severe at the moment according to Oregon local media sources.
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Reply #777 - 10/07/17 at 06:52:39
 
Where do you get the information you use to put all that together?
I think you should be writing for a monthly magazine. Do tech stock traders even know this stuff?

Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 -- all after that will be DynamIQ based.

I'm thinking this is all an
Order of Magnitude , revolution, not evolution, shift in concept of design.


=======================================    draw a line in your mind right here as there is no new x386 tech in development any where any more .....

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Reply #778 - 10/07/17 at 07:30:32
 

Justin, I get it from all over ......

I have found that financial sites (such as Seeking Alpha) are gold mines for leaked info as the this very early info is used by traders to get a jump on stock market shifts.

I call such "rumors" when I mention them here, then after getting confirmation info from other reputable sources I list them as "breaking news".

I only hazard predictions on things that seem to have a trend (items from lots of sources) to back them up.   Predicting Apple is tough, since they are secretive and not particularly limited to chasing money as their sole purpose in being.    

(IE they should have dumped Intel 2 years ago when they were first capable of doing so.)

There are lots of folks putting out predictions, the old school PC guys are always wrong and out of date,  the Apple lovers are limited by what Apple thinks they should want  .... and the Indian and Chinese guys are always way way out at the bleeding cutting edge of things now  (America is a tech backwater in their eyes).

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Reply #779 - 10/07/17 at 08:15:02
 
I wish you could capitalize on your research. You've been tracking stuff long enough to know if you are actually a reasonably dependable evaluator.

So, are the changes coming evolutionary or revolutionary?
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