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Title: Android/Chrome/Fuchsia vs Windows/Polaris Post by Oldfeller on 01/06/16 at 09:32:35 This is a new thread at the very start of the Android/Chrome/Fuchsia vs Windows/Polaris match up. Right now Win 10 is just now barely finally starting to act good enough for prime time, and Google Android has just been announced to be planning to become out with a full OS product. We have two products out there right now for the Android side, Rockchip's Light Work OS http://liliputing.com/2015/08/rockchips-light-work-os-is-android-with-a-start-menu-windowed-apps.html and Jide's Remix OS http://liliputing.com/2016/01/install-remix-os-on-any-pc-to-run-android-as-a-desktop-operating-system.html. Google's formal mainstream entry is still a year out, anticipated to be included inside the Android N or O versions. Google supports free standing companies who are run by ex-Google employees who have gone off to be entrepreneurs with ideas developed during their 25% time while working at Google. Jide is one of these companies. So, in your mind consider Jide as a scout ranger way out in advance of the main troops, operating without uniform or credentials and mainly trying not to get shot down and working very hard at simply surviving. ..... but every once in a while, finding something tasty and slapping some C-4 up against it and making a large BOOM noise. I think I just heard a BOOM coming from the small vendor pavilion over at the big CES computer show ..... ;D ======================================== "Jide’s Remix OS is a custom version of Android designed to make Google’s mobile operating system feel like a desktop OS. And it pretty much works. The developers of Remix OS have released two devices that ship with the software, a tablet and a mini desktop computer, and they’ve also made the software available to Chinese device makers such as Cube. Now Jide wants to make it easy for anyone to install Remix OS on an existing computer. Starting January 12th you’ll be able to download an alpha version of Remix OS for PCs and install it on just about any system with an Intel or AMD chip. http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/remix-pc.jpg Jide worked with the developers behind the Android-x86 project to bring Remix OS to desktops. The current build is a version of Remix OS 2.0 which is based on Android 5.0 Lollipop. It includes access to the Google Play Store, allowing you to install and run thousands of apps and games. But unlike most versions of Android, Remix OS includes a taskbar, support for viewing multiple apps at once in resizable windows, and memory management tweaks that keep you from losing data when switching between apps if your device is running low on memory. You’ll be able to run Remix OS 2.0 on a PC by downloading it to a USB drive and then booting from that drive. While you don’t need a powerful computer to run the operating system (the $70 Remix Mini PC has just 2GB of RAM and a low-power ARM-based processor), Jide says a computer with a Core i7-4590 processor performs almost three times better in some benchmarks than a Samsung Galaxy S6 smartphone." What does this mean? You now have a third alternative to the Windows 10 or Linux debate, with Jide OS being able to run on anything that has a BIOS that will recognize and boot off of a USB drive. Now the feature wars will begin, with Android starting out way behind Windows, but swinging the entire PlayStore worth of free and low cost APP softwares which you are currently used to using on your phone. Android (with Jide windowing and bottom bar and start menu) running on any old x86 trash piece of stuff you got laying around that will USB boot an alternate OS product. My gut says that Android Jide will soon be able to crank up a Crouton'd Linux as well (if it can't at the moment it will come fairly soon). And that means Steam games ..... Suddenly, Win 10 just grew a real competitor in addition to Apple -- and one that runs well on simple older hardware. A collaboration between Jide, Android-X86, Crouton and Google ..... with the bits and pieces eventually drifting into the LENARO store to be labeled and stocked on the FOSS shelves for anybody to use. Merry Christmas, Microsoft. :D Never say we didn't give you something really good to ring in your New Year with ....... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by MMRanch on 01/06/16 at 22:17:20 I got an Android tablet last year and like it but still use my old lap-top for most things I also got a new (2nd) lap top that is way to complicated (8 or 10)... so I'm sticking with my old Vista --- new is not better , its just more aggravating . Wish they would quit fixing what AIN'T broken ! |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/07/16 at 05:51:02 http://liliputing.com/2016/01/jide-talks-plans-for-2016-remix-os-for-any-pc-custom-rom-for-the-pixel-c-and-more.html http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/remix_03.jpg https://youtu.be/E4XV7A_cl3U This is a noisy CES interview with with co-founder David Ko at CEO which gives a sneak peek at some of the things that are on the way. Brad Linder, who gets samples of all this sort of stuff and writes the reviews on them says that "Remix OS does a better job of making Android feel like a desktop OS than any other software I’ve tried. That shouldn’t be a huge surprise, since Jide was founded by former Google employees and Ko tells me about 20 percent of the company’s developers were hired from Google as well. Remix OS for PC The big news this week is Remix OS for PC. Jide partnered with the developers at Android-x86 to make it simple to boot Remix OS on a wide range of computers. Just insert the USB stick, go to you computer’s settings, and boot from the USB drive. You’ll get the best performance if you use a USB 3.0 drive with support for 20MB/s or faster read and write speeds. You can also install Remix OS to a partition of your hard drive or SSD if you’d like to create a dual boot setup." I gathered three bits of information from the interview and the write up -- 1) Jide was founded by former Google employees and Ko tells me about 20 percent of the company’s developers were hired from Google as well. 2) The operating system will always be free. Jide won’t start charging users after a few years once they’re hooked. But eventually the company might find ways to integrate value-added services such as cloud backup for paying customers. Or Jide could partner with third-party app developers in some way. Those are just examples though. Ko says the company hasn’t really worried much about a revenue source yet, but he assured me there are no plans to charge for the operating system or to insert ads into it in the future. 3) In addition to working with the developers of Android-x86 to get Remix OS running on a wide range of hardware, Jide is also contributing its own code to the open source Android-x86 Project. Jide and Android-x86 clearly have a better working relationship with the FOSS group than some other developers who are taking Android-x86 code and trying to commercialize it for $$$$. Sounds like perhaps Google is a silent partner in this, using their 25% employee workshare program to encourage some of their people to support the Jide programming efforts. Google could supply data farm support and cloud services to this when it is ready, but will be careful to allow the offshoot entrepreneurs to control what they have created. So, I kinda feel that Jide is a Google employee offshoot that is going out and pilot fishing the concept of turning Android into a full productivity tool (a direct MS competitor) without damaging the existing Android ecosystem or Google's relationships with their major Android phone and tablet builders and the big carriers. By befriending and sharing code with the existing people in this area and starting out small, they are befriending the existing FOSS players and helping them become more successful, not threatening them or buying them out as MS would do. Google is being Google --- creating organic self-growing Android all over again, but this time as a productivity tool with all the work features of the older slower bulkier OS systems on a small lighter faster framework. Jide is not cloud based like Chrome OS, it is "local to the machine" type stuff that is a "productivity magnification of the phone tablet experience". Microsoft's Pawn Star guys might have to say it is a real OS by their somewhat wacky definition. ;) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 01/07/16 at 07:32:06 heh heh heh Android for all devices, I love it And a $70 mini PC? lovit, too |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/07/16 at 08:15:19 Minor news ..... Blackberry will only make Android phones from now on, Blackberry OS is dead developmentally. Sailfish OS is back from the dead and is in motion again, but just barely after laying off over half their people. Firefox OS is still dead, except where supported by major refrigeration vendors who are still using in their fridge controllers and displays. There is no development in Firefox OS apart from the fridge folks. ..... and that's it folks. You got lots of Android forks out there (Amazon, Jide, Cyanogen, etc) but they are all basically custom shells stuck on top of stock open source Android. ;) The major types of Mobile OS products that are currently fully alive and kicking are Android, IOS, Microsoft, Ubuntu Linux 3-4 billion market share and rapidly growing The major types of Desktop OS products that are currently fully alive and kicking are Microsoft, OSx, Linux distros, ChromeOS, Android 1 billion market share, shrinking 6-10% per year |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 01/08/16 at 07:55:05 Well seeing as Microsoft owns the rights to most Office software programs and like 90% of businesses run Microsoft Office, Powerpoint, Excell ect..... it will be a big selling point IF and that's a big IF, a company can get around the rights to convert an MS product to their own software product (much like Open Office and WPS on android devices) This is what seems to be keeping MS afloat for the time being.... businesses cannot just shift their paperwork production to another OS over night, it would cost them millions...... and they would have to hire someone to teach all their employees the new OS, and have tech to be on standby if problems arise. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/08/16 at 09:06:49 I think "It's the APPS, stupid" is a correct way of looking at the whole thing right now. MS wins right now on big business desktop business apps, but loses badly everywhere else. MS has also shown that if there is a strong OS contender, they will put Office out for it (and Office for Android is already out there, as well as Office On-line). ========================================= I think OS in general is going to wind up becoming a so-so thing and the APPS will rule the ecosystems. I also think MS is aware of this, and that's why if you look at any OS out there, you already have an expensive copy of Office 360 already written for it. Where MS is stumbling with Win 10 is they are doing what they have always done, trying to lock people into MS products by any means they can come up with. And yes, you could have a complete life locked into MS products, just being a little bit poorer in the pocketbook as you do so. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/12/16 at 01:18:54 http://liliputing.com/2016/01/running-remix-os-on-a-pc.html http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/remix-pc_01.jpg OK, Brad Linder has been playing with Remix OS on his old laptop and he has found an interesting little ditty fact. And it’s interesting to note that this laptop with a Core i5 Sandy Bridge processor and 4GB of RAM scores higher than most smartphones in the AnTuTu benchmark, but its score of about 90,000 roughly ties that for the Huawei Mate 8 smartphone. Does that mean the current superphones are really as fast as a PC with a 4-year-old 22nm Intel chipset? Maybe… As I mentioned in my reviews of the Remix Mini and Remix Ultra Tablet, I think Jide has done a better job than any other company in making Android feel like a full-fledged desktop operating system. But that doesn’t mean the experience is perfect. These very fine uneven rough edges can only come off when Google writes this functionality into Android as a completely integrated sort of thing. (who knows, mebbe in the 2017 time frame ???) Until then, a light fast friendly Jide will continue to make lots of progress (along with the Android x86 folks and the rest of FOSS) to build us an even better MS killer. This in turn will motivate MS to get better as well -- Android vs Windows will be a force for general improvement as Apple will then begin to motivate itself as well when it starts to fall behind the general action. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/12/16 at 01:34:42 http://www.businessinsider.com/decoding-smartphone-industry-jargon-2013-11 http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/527d2db569bedd905a659903-1200-924/installedbaseforecast-1.png Looking at these predictive trends it seems folks are beginning to get smarter about the tech jargon they are using to report things -- it is becoming more "non-PC centric" now as folks realize PC is a really a very small part of the overall world of computing. The red zone on this chart does show signs of growing, but this does not mean Windows 10 PC is growing as this chart does include Chromebooks and Apple and Linux and the new Android Laptops and PCs in the predictive PC/Laptop classification shown in red. Remember, good ol' MS was still shrinking 6-10% year on year on year last time anybody looked ..... so far Win 10 has not changed that trend so far any at all. If you look at the left scale and add in the other 3 zeros you get "billions" which says "Win 10 for free" has only a population of 1 billion devices to go after while phone has multiples of that already right now and is still growing quickly. Windows however was shrinking at a steady rate according to all of last year's data -- and since MS isn't crowing about any great Christmas sales numbers right now it is OK to consider that trend is likely ongoing still. While MS is keeping all their Christmas sales results secret, Intel is putting out processor sales numbers that show the same sorts of decline numbers as seen all during the rest of 2015. http://www.trefis.com/stock/intc/articles/331015/will-intels-dependence-on-the-pc-market-continue-to-decline/2016-01-08 Will Intel’s Dependence On The PC Market Continue As Intel PC Sales Continue To Decline? January 8th, 2016 data and projections by Trefis Team http://wp-uploads-trefis.s3.amazonaws.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/INTC-6c.jpg Please look at the first line under Notebook Processors, the Global Notebook Sales where Trefis is showing the notebook marketplace GROWING by 5% but the number of Intel supplied chipsets strongly declining in all the figures below that line. Can you say "ARM processors in Google Chromebooks" will take an additional 5% of Intel's old market share, measured by Intel's predicted numbers? Because if you look along that same line notebooks were 188 million in 2012 and were 171 million in 2015 which means Intel lost 10% of its notebook market share due to the rise of the Chromebook in the 2012-2015 time frame, and 15% if you also run the Desktop numbers from the same time frame, all of which jives pretty much with numbers reported from other sources during that time period. Plus, there were a bunch of Intel equipped Chromebooks, so Chromebooks may have indeed been closer to the 21% market share that others have reported. ::) ..... and also please note that the 10-21% of the entire PC pie Chromebook slice is still invisible on any chart ordered up by Microsoft or from any MS lovin' chart maker anywhere done at any time in the last few years. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/16/16 at 22:43:32 http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/3185224 Figures are in for PC sales in the entirety of 2015. “The fourth quarter of 2015 marked the fifth consecutive quarter of worldwide PC shipment decline,” said Mikako Kitagawa, principal analyst at Gartner. “Holiday sales did not boost the overall PC shipments, hinting at changes to consumers’ PC purchase behavior. On the business side, Windows 10 generally received positive reviews, but as expected, Windows 10 migration was minor in the fourth quarter as many organizations were just starting their testing period.” “All regions registered a decrease in shipments. Currency devaluation issues continued to impact EMEA, Latin America and Japan,” Ms. Kitagawa said. “Collectively EMEA, Japan and Latin America saw their markets reduced by nearly 10 percent in 2015.” Gartner’s outlook for PC shipments in 2016 is for a decline of 1 percent compared with 2015, with the potential for a soft recovery in late 2016. Ms. Kitagawa said the PC market is still in the middle of structural change which will reduce the PC installed base in the next few years. And, as explained below, this is the MS tuned "max optimistic" viewpoint. ======================================== http://www.wsj.com/articles/pc-sales-drop-to-historic-lows-1452634605 Unlike the optimistic view shown above, this is the strict business interpretation of the PC market, not tossing in tablets and convertables as the guys above did for the very first time ..... (desperate for much, huh, MS?) Sales of personal computers fell in the final quarter of 2015 to their lowest level since 2007, the year Apple Inc. introduced the iPhone, according to data released Tuesday by industry researcher International Data Corp. The forces aligned against the PC industry amounted to a triple whammy: an economic slowdown in China, a strong U.S. dollar that made computers more costly in Europe, and the inexorable growth of smartphones and other mobile devices. PC makers shipped 276.2 million units in 2015, said IDC analyst Jay Chou. He had expected PC shipments to decline by 10.3% in 2015. In fact, they dropped by 10.4%. “2015 is the first time we’ve had the PC market, from a volume perspective, go below 300 million units since 2008,” he said. PC makers shipped 299.6 million units in 2008 and 270.5 million units in 2007, Mr. Chou said. Rival research agency Gartner Inc. tallied 288.7 million shipments for the year, an 8% drop. Unlike IDC, Gartner includes sales of tablets in its shipment data. ======================================= http://www.businessinsider.com/chromebook-sales-versus-other-pcs-2015-10 http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/563398709dd7cc01308bab40-1200-900/20151030_chromebook_bi.png This chart is interesting to me. This firmly shows the effects of MS refusing to allow Chromebook sales to show up in any metrics that they can exercise any form of control over. Despite documented weeks (sporadic weeks, yes) where Chromebooks outsold MS laptops last year, you cannot find those sorts of numbers showing up in ANY years end roll up numbers. The entire industry just reports "PC" really really sucked all year long and low end laptop sales sucked really really really really badly. What does it all mean? During the chaotic year 2015 people were not buying computing stuff for much. If they did, they bought carefully and on close out sale if possible. 2016 will likely be worse, as the Black Swan is flying over the oil industry and will soon be flying over the support industries for all of the oil related items. America will be strongly affected, as will the rest of the world. Stock markets are tanking all over the place right now, ours included. MS has picked a really bad time to stage their "big comeback'. :P |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/17/16 at 00:32:36 http://liliputing.com/2016/01/phoenix-os-is-another-android-as-a-desktop.html Phoenix OS is (another) Android-as-a-desktop http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/phoenix_02.jpg One of the most successful has been Remix OS, which gives Android a taskbar, start menu, and an excellent window management system. The Remix OS team has also generated a lot of buzz over the past year, and this week the operating system gained a lot of new alpha testers thanks to a downloadable version of Remix OS that you can run on many recent desktop or notebook computers. But Remix OS isn’t the only game in town. Phoenix OS is another Android-as-desktop operating system, and while it’s still pretty rough around the edges, there are a few features that could make it a better option for some testers. Some background I first discovered Phoenix OS from a post in the Remix OS Google Group, although I’ve also found mentions of the operating system at the xda-developers forum, and from the makers of the UP single-board computer with an Intel Cherry Trail chip. Phoenix OS is available as a downloadable custom ROM that you can install on a Google Nexus 9 or Nexus 10 tablet. But you can also download an x86 version that can be loaded on a USB flash drive and run on a computer. Initial verdict I don’t know that much about Phoenix OS. It sure looks a lot like Remix OS, but there are a few key differences in settings manager, default file browser, and the way window management works. At this point it seems to support a wider range of hardware than Remix OS, works with a 4GB USB flash drive (Remix recommends 8GB), and doesn’t seem to have problems running on devices with USB 2.0 ports (Remix recommends USB 3.0). ..... this bit is important, it shows Phoenix OS is tuned to fit older existing PC hardware much better than Jide, which seems tuned for newer hardware (USB 3.0 etc.). :D OK, coming from China you got Rockchip and Phoenix both putting out fairly complete windowing Android OS products, and from USA you got their somewhat Google supported forerunner group, Jide, doing the same things, with each group doing some things better than the others in some selected portions of the OS experience. Each and all are making progress by leaps and bounds though, and since it is all FOSS they are borrowing freely from each other. Remember, the Chinese guys are showing up best on their own language and on their own domestic crop of Chinese Android apps. BUT, as long as they put their tricks into the LENARO store, it all comes out in the wash. Google is hanging back some, and is carefully integrating the best of the best as native central supported items into Android 7 and 8. Google is being careful to let organic PC Android grow at its own pace, just supporting the new BIOS calls and such into the main Android releases, giving the environment that is needed for these guys to really go and do it. By carefully supporting an open standard that (unlike Chromebooks) is NOT hardware specific Google hopes desktop Android will grow and grow and grow, just like the phone Android did. :) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 01/18/16 at 10:20:56 Looking at that Graph makes me think something is amiss... You mean to tell me "wearables" are the most used product? and that tablets are in use more than pc's and laptops? (which are in use at home AND in the office) I can believe the smart TV's are in use more than all else.... but totally unbelievable that wearables are in use more than anything. Where did that info come from? or am I reading that totally wrong? (which is highly likely at this point) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/18/16 at 12:11:51 Which graph? Click on it and it will yield the address and you can plunk it down again in your post then we can talk about it. If it is this one, I got issues with it too since it purposefully uses Gartner's neutered numbers (MS neutered) which is why I posted it, to spoof at it some. Notice how it treats some MS "convertible" tablets (tablets with keyboard accessories) as PCs and NEVER counts the Android tablets as PCs. Too much MS bias is involved in tracking numbers when MS is paying to have them put together, you know. http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/563398709dd7cc01308bab40-1200-900/20151030_chromebook_bi.png If it is this one, this is a generic market size all added up prediction type graph which is intended to show that all the fitbits in the world are ADDING UP MASSIVELY right along with all the other stuff out there that isn't a traditional MS PC. There are a LOT of fitbits, smart watches, etc. etc. Smart TVs are the majority of TVs sold now, those that can get you on line using an ARM processor set up internal to the TV tuner board (but not necessarily Android based, can be LG or Samsung custom built software). Plus you got a blue gazillion of those little Android sticks and PC sticks that go into the HDMI ports on the back of older TVs, I think they are being counted as computing devices now too. Most TVs now-a-days that don't have built in computers have some sort of computing device hooked up to them, even if it is just a Roku box (or else your Time Warner or Comcast equivalent channel box if you haven't cut your cable cord yet). They are all computing devices, you know. Watch out, you got smart refrigerators and stoves coming out now, swinging Firefox OS no less ...... got to be able to dial in from your phone and check on dinner. http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/527d2db569bedd905a659903-1200-924/installedbaseforecast-1.pngToo much MS bias is involved in tracking numbers when MS is paying to have them put together, you know. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 01/18/16 at 17:24:57 My point is that "Wearables" are just that, you have to "wear" them on your person. I'm 99.9% sure that those are not top of the heap in use computing products. The smart TV use I can understand because of what you stated, the sticks count also, even though your dumb TV isn't smart until you slap a stick in it. I actually think that the graph in reverse would be more realistic, in my life among the work force. In the military, every office desk has a laptop or pc on it, some have two, one connected to ordinary servers and one to secure ones. Heck even the central work stations in our maintenance shop each had one, and there were portable laptops to use at the toolboxes. (Manual use and parts ordering) So if this graph is just a Google machine usage, it would make more sense... again, except for the wearables. (am i stuck on that? LOL) I did get to see a "smart fridge" at one of the bosses houses when I was working for a window and door company. His house was a smart house and costs a couple million. He had a tablet in the main kitchen, the master living room and in the master bedroom that could turn anything on and off, and adjust some of the appliances. None of it was "voice" control then (only about 10 years ago), but it sure was kewl... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by badwolf on 01/18/16 at 19:28:45 Old Rider, I think you are reading the graph wrong. The totals are cumulative. Each device total is only as much as it's color, and they all add up to the grand total. By themselves now smart phones have the largest use, then pc's, followed by tablets, smart tv's, then wearable's with the smallest numbers. There is a lot of overlap thou, I am writing this using my media center pc on my tv. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/19/16 at 03:35:29 And I think we can all agree that MS trick of continuing to just pushing their custom ordered up "traditional PC/laptop only" statistics around to justify themselves really isn't fooling anybody any more. The world is much more "Other" than MS ...... First real comparison figures ever I saw said MS was only 14% of total computing devices, then the Apple and Android total device slices all grew so much that MS was suddenly only 10% of total devices. Wearables will push MS even lower this upcoming year. Wearables is taking off more and more and that is a whole other zone that MS doesn't get to play in as Android was there from the beginning. It is hard to separate the huge numerical growth of Organic Android from the actual real hard count shrinkage of MS's real PC/Laptop realm. Both trends are real and both are going on right now. Which explains why MS has to put out such stinky funky numbers to say they are still "growing" and "succeeding with Win10". Something interesting that has been said just this past week is that MS's pet vendors still have warehouses full of moldy Win 8.1 stuff from last year and year before that which has to be reflashed to Win 10 or else sold off really really cheap right about now as the Intel processors are starting to get all kinda out of date in the old moldy warehouse stuff. As are the batteries. The glut of old Windows warehouse stuff is really really hurting new Win10 PC sales as you can easily get last years "upgradeable" item for less than half the price of this year's Win 10 stuff. And as Win 10 continues to stay stalled, then the app guys will hold off writing new apps for it. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by 12Bravo on 01/19/16 at 05:50:32 And more news about how Microsoft is trying to push Windows 10 down everyone's throats. Windows 10 will only work on newest PCs, says Microsoft http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2016/01/18/windows-10-will-only-work-on-newest-pcs-says-microsoft.html?intcmp=hphz06 |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 01/19/16 at 07:33:59 And they wonder why their market share is going down |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 01/19/16 at 08:14:00 16156555465148270 wrote:
even bigger bombshell... Quote:
Are they trying to kill off all new sales TOO!? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/19/16 at 08:45:31 Voice from the Future: It wasn't future FUD, they cranked it up two days later in a small trial market area to see how well it worked. The screams and fear were amazing, very very satisfying to the Borg who were manning the attempt. I'd translate this as a sorta backwards attempt at some "future FUD" to get you to consider buying some new EFI Secure Boot locked down Win 10 software and a new Intel processor permanently locked down together in a new machine, one that CANNOT be dual booted or rolled into an alternative OS like a Linux or an Android. This is MS's vision for milking you out into the future -- locking you totally into having to use their "software services", be it Win 10 OS or Office 360, and charging you for it monthly or yearly. ======================================== In a while, a drivers based security issue will be "discovered" that only upgrading to Win 10 will allow the Win 7 user to continue to use his system at all. Then this old processor/drivers based issue will go from EFI based FUD to EFI based threat to EFI based lock down, forcing the purchase of a new totally locked down machine. Apple has done this a few times in the historical past, and it caused my daughter to go to Ubuntu on her favorite old Mac desktop machine when Apple in essence locked the hardware out of an upgrade to the Mac OS and in the next year dropped support for the old hardware completely. She is still using the old hardware using Ubuntu and still isn't buying any new Apple products any more -- she found that Linux worked very well for her and she likes it. ========================================= Why do this now? I mean why do it now before the free Win 10 roll out is even half way completed? CHECK THIS MONTH'S UPGRADE PERCENTAGE FIGURES WHEN THEY COME OUT, THE WIN 10 ROLL OUT IS BEGINNING TO STALL TO A HALT. "Engineered managed threat & fear" is simply another item in the toolbox that MS uses to motivate unwilling users to do the upgrade and to lock themselves in going forward. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/19/16 at 08:53:58 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/why-activate-windows-10 A new wrinkle in the Win 10 saga Why can't I activate Windows 10? If you received a message saying that Windows 10 couldn't be activated, here are a few reasons why it might not have worked, and some things you can try to fix the problem. For more info about activation errors not listed on this page, see Get help with Windows 10 activation errors. For additional help with the activation process, go to the product activation article. You upgraded to Windows 10 for free from Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or Windows 8.1 Update If you upgraded to Windows 10 for free and ended up in a non-activated state, try following these steps: Go to Start Start button icon, then select Settings > Update & security > Activation. If your activation state says Connect to the Internet to activate Windows, it might mean you're not connected to the Internet or the activation servers are busy. If you're connected to the Internet, Windows 10 will be automatically activated. You can also select Activate to try and manually activate Windows. If the activation servers are busy, you might need to wait a while and then try again later. If your activation state says Windows is not activated, select Go to Store, and check to see if a valid license for Windows is available for your device. If a license isn't available, you'll need to buy Windows from the Store or go back to your previous version of Windows, make sure the previous version is activated, and then upgrade to Windows 10. Yep, they got you going and coming. Pay me time again -- you were slack and didn't go on line and register your software 8 years ago back when it wasn't even a requirement that you HAD to do so. Or you are trying to re-install an old version of Windows on a more modern machine. Heretic, to the burning stake with him ...... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/19/16 at 10:06:42 https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/63943/microsoft-finds-another-way-to-force-windows-10-upgrade-on-businesses http://https://www.thurrott.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/you-will-upgrade.jpg So Microsoft is altering its support policy, not just for one or two Windows versions, but for ALL existing Windows versions in general. And I am reasonably sure this has never happened before. Here are the changes Microsoft is announcing. Going forward, new hardware generations will require the latest version of Windows. “As new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the latest Windows platform at that time for support,” Microsoft says. “This enables us to focus on deep integration between Windows and the silicon, while maintaining maximum reliability and compatibility with previous generations of platform and silicon. For example, Windows 10 will be the only supported Windows platform on Intel’s upcoming “Kaby Lake” silicon, Qualcomm’s upcoming “8996” silicon, and AMD’s upcoming “Bristol Ridge” silicon. Only devices on the Skylake support list will be supported on Windows 7 and 8.1. And even then only through July 17, 2017. “During this new 18-month support period, these systems should be upgraded to Windows 10 to continue receiving support after the period ends,” Microsoft says. “After July 2017, the most critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other devices.” This threat is aimed at BUSINESS USERS who are not moving off of Win 7 because they don't need to move off of Win 7. Yeah, you can refuse -- but not if you HAVE to buy new hardware that is EFI Secure Boot locked into Win 10. Seriously, you need to ASK before you buy anything nowadays, because once MS has seen you signed in on an EFI locked down machine -- that's it for you buddy. Go up a post and read what you see from then one when you try to use Windows anything else on that same machine. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 01/19/16 at 13:40:28 To test your theory... I have started a post to Microsoft.... the drivers for my Xbox rockcandy controller only worked up untill windows 10.... they no longer work, I am joystick kinda guy when it comes to flight sims and my old precision pro doesn't work with win10, nor does the Xbox controller( which i very rarely use). So the test begins.... so far her are the email messages... Question [ch10625] Applies to Windows Windows 10 Hardware & drivers PC 8 views Windows 10 drivers aren't available OROrphistle asked on January 18, 2016 [ch10625] Insider [ch10625] Original title: Beta tester switch back? I purchased my current laptop with windows 8.0 and upgraded (forced) to 8.1 I volunteered to test windows 10 beta, after the last file updates, I was automatically upgraded to windows 10 Home edition... I did not fully realize that I could NOT go back to 8.1, I was not even given a chance to revert back. If I reformat my hard drive and reinstall the factory disks, will I be able to go to 8.1? or will windows 10 "automatically" force the upgrade? I cannot use Xbox game controller any longer..... no windows 10 drivers available, windows recognizes the controller but has driver error.... I cannot use my Joystick (precision pro)... windows 10 recognizes it, but there is no calibration available and no games work with the joystick attached.... I CANNOT USE CONTROLLERS.... and to play games I AM FORCED to use KEYBOARD..... Thank you for any helpful information... I have repeatedly downloaded Xbox 360 accessories software (deleted all drivers first) Both controllers worked with 8.1 with ALL my games..... You and 1 other person had this question [ch10625] [ch10625] [ch10625] Me Too [ch10625] Reply [ch10625] Edit [ch10625] Report abuse [ch10625] Stop emails [ch10625] All replies (2) JEJenith_James replied on January 19, 2016 [ch10625] Microsoft Support Engineer [ch10625] http://answers.microsoft.com/lang/page/faq [ch10625] Hello Orphistle, Thank you for posting your query in Microsoft Community. I apologize for the inconvenience caused. We are glad to help you. In order to help you better, could you please confirm a couple of things: 1. What is the driver error that you receive? 2. What exactly happens when you try to use Xbox game controller and the joystick? I suggest you to follow the below methods and check if it helps. Method 1: Hardware and devices troubleshooter. Plug the device and run the hardware troubleshooter. Once this is done, restart the computer and check the status. Follow these steps: 1. Press the ‘Windows + Q’ key on the keyboard. 2. Type troubleshooting in the search box and then press enter. 3. Click hardware and sound and run the Hardware and Devices Troubleshooter. 4. Follow the On screen instructions. Once this is done, restart the computer and check the status. Method 2: I also request you to update all the available Windows 10 compatible drivers/software from the computer manufacture’s website and check. If it is not available then you may install the drivers in compatibility mode from the previous version of Windows and check if it helps. Hope this information helps. Keep us posted with the updated status. We will be happy to assist you. Thanks and regards, Jenith Be the first person to mark this helpful [ch10625] [ch10625] [ch10625] [ch10625] Helpful [ch10625] Reply [ch10625] Report abuse [ch10625] Mark as Answer OR[ch10625] Orphistle replied on January 19, 2016 [ch10625] Insider [ch10625] In reply to Jenith_James's post on January 19, 2016 Thanks for changing my title to one that does not reflect my question. I have gone through ALL trouble shooting for non existent windows 10 drivers for the windows Xbox controller driver by using forum search and following all directions given there. My title is as implied.... I was beta for windows 10... and was given no choice to revert back to my "previous" software, Again I ask, can I reformat my hard drive and revert back to a reload of my previous version of windows? (8.1), as windows 10 will not let me use any of my controllers, and my laptop is now just an "e machine" only capable of internet access and word processing. I can only play "keyboard" games.... and my arthritis causes pain to use them. With my previous version of windows 8.1 my controllers worked.... now they don't (and neither do my short-cut keyboard commands like volume, brighten, play, fast forward, reverse.....ect., that came with the laptop, but that's a different monster). Is my version of windows 10 home edition bugged? has being a beta tester cause a conflict of previous loads and the last upgrade? Please send me a reply to coach me to my safe return to windows 8.1 Be the first person to mark this helpful [ch10625] Helpful [ch10625] Reply [ch10625] Edit [ch10625] Report abuse Now we wait to see Jenith's answer to the last post... :) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/19/16 at 14:14:59 I hope MS takes care of you. You defended them right up until the point you simply couldn't any more. I however, was an "unfriend" starting right after my mother-in-laws early on Win 7 to Win 10 upgrade, which couldn't see audio and video drivers, etc. from the very get go. Cortana was a no show on that machine from the very start. And Sony got blamed for it by MS, but Sony had absolutely NO intention of writing any Win 10 drivers for that old hardware, ever. Not their job. Saying Sony was responsible for MS's garbage i.e. MS choosing to use strange driver tech in Win 10 is absurd. Now MS Windows is doing nightly sneaky stuff, running around late at night REMOVING people's various softwares and their good working Win 7 drivers (as supplied under Win 7 by the original vendors) and replacing it with MicroCrap apps and MS generic drivers that simply don't work worth doodly with Win 7 (or anything else for that matter.......). Then MS twists your arm to "fix your problems" by going whole hog into Win 10 but having to run on BRAND NEW hardware that only they support (on hardware that happens to have some driver support, simply because Intel wrote it, being all desperate to sell something). Microsoft has devolved into acting like a spoofin' spyware company, selling you "fixes" to situations they created on purpose. ========================================= Question becomes: If I found a class action suit for you being organized by a group of folks with issues just like yours, would you actually join the class action suit? ...... ie do you feel that you have been wronged as this thing slid downhill into non-functionality? Would you lobby with regulators to FORCE corrective actions by MS that didn't actually subsequently lock you into their products forever? If Gabe got Steam on Linux working well enough to play your games and use your various controllers, would that suffice you going out into the future? HERE IS THE CURRENT POSITION I AM IN --- MS HAS SHOWN A WILLINGNESS TO LET IT ALL GO TO HELL BY THE BITS AND PIECES, AND THEY DO NOT CARE JUST SO I REMAIN THEIR LOYAL CUSTOMER WITH ME CONSTANTLY BUYING NEW STUFF WHILE SIMPLY TRYING TO GET BACK TO THE "STABLE CONDITION" WHERE I WAS 8 YEARS AGO. ::) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834738004&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-Skimlinks-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=12087162&PID=3640101&SID=skim32X105Xb936f986aa672573d5179b92b0ec8b96&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-Skimlinks Hisense C11 Chromebook Rockchip 1.80 GHz 2 GB Memory 16 GB SSD 11.6" Chrome OS for $89 http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/34-738-004-Z01?$S35$ |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 01/19/16 at 19:45:05 now that is interesting, 'chromebook' for 89 bux |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/19/16 at 19:53:02 Chromebooks are excellent for light generic uses like posting, internet, on-line games and typing, but they simply don't allow the big heavy duty AAA title game playing like I still want to do. And face it, it is a different world out there in Chromeland ..... So, I use Linux Mint for everything and as my "damm MS hobby" I fight to keep Win 10 off my Windows 7 gaming partition. And now MS is starting to DELETE my good drivers that run my video card and REPLACE THEM WITH MICROCRAP drivers. Gabe however, loads his own drivers for my card every time I start up the Steam game that needs them, so it all comes out in the wash. Steam and Gabe's boys are the only reason I can still play the big heavy duty AAA title games. I haven't been back to my locked down Win 7 gaming partition in a while, mebbe I should go just to see what has happened to it in the last 3 weeks ...... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 01/19/16 at 20:09:23 Good think for me I don't game then seriously, last time I gamed was Halo on Xbox I was very good at dying |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/20/16 at 18:51:15 http://liliputing.com/2016/01/freedompop-now-offers-a-little-free-data-in-25-countries.html FreedomPop now offers (a little) free data in 25 countries http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/freedompop-global.jpg This one is for Verslagen, who is putting something like this on a 100% free phone for his parents. The gist of this seems to be that Freedom POP "kinda accidentally" signs you up for stuff that costs money when you go through the normal sign up process. The only way you can get true "for free" is to read a current "how to sign up" walk through on the FreedomPOP forums and then follow it carefully. And then, if you transgress a cap or whatever, you wind up paying as much or more than Republic Wireless would cost with their no-nonsense wifi only $10 plan. Freedom POP gets their margin out of you exceeding something, so they make it easy to automatically or accidentally sign up for stuff and for you to go there by over-use. This is in direct contrast to Republic Wireless, who has only a roaming cap that they tell you about and then they cut you off when you go past it -- no extra money is generated as with Freedom POP. I use Republic Wireless and feel that for $15 on data I get fair 3-G data & wifi service (that you opt for whenever you need it) and I find I cannot accidentally exceed my caps without ME actually doing something to intentionally actuate it ahead of time. Republic Wireless has no $$$ traps and twiggles as does Freedom POP. But it costs more. The good guys: Republic Wireless (and Google Fi) both believe in giving you your money back for unused data even in their itty bitty data plans, so even if I go to a data plan while on vacation I still get most of the money back after vacation is over. Roaming Caps and suchlike tricks do exist with both low end players --- I was roaming on AT&T while we were at Simple Life last year and I ran my roaming cap out before the days there were done. Credit to Freedom POP must be given, as they realize they have created a poor image and they are trying to clean it up and to clarify what they really offer. However, to get for free for real, you still need to follow the walk through when signing up. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/20/16 at 20:15:09 http://liliputing.com/2016/01/jide-releases-remix-os-source-code-to-comply-with-gpl-apache.html http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/remix-pc_02-4.jpg Jide releases (some) Remix OS source code to comply with GPL, Apache licenses Being FOSS and "open" isn't just being for free, it is collaborating with your code, posting in in plain open formats and allowing others to use it according to a stated no-cost OPEN SOURCE license. Jide is the first one of the Android on PC folks to do this disclosure fully. And in doing so they are honoring the GPL license (stricter in terms of total disclosure compared to Apache). Jide shows its Google roots in doing this quickly both and openly. Here’s Jide’s full statement on the matter: "At Jide, we take all open source licensing protocols very seriously and aim to abide by all established conventions. As such, please see our responses to both claims with regards to any breach of our commitment to adhering to open source licensing standards. UNetbootin As has been reported, Remix OS Flash Tool is indeed built on the open source UNetbootin. To ensure that we are fully compliant with GPL, we have already pushed out the source code of our tool to the public. You may check it out here: https://github.com/jide-opensource/remixos-usb-tool. Android-x86 Remix OS for PC is built based on the Android-x86 project with their full consent. We have clearly acknowledged and credited the project on our website – http://www.jide.com/en/remixos-for-pc. Based on the information listed on the Android-x86 website (link), it was our understanding that Android-x86 was an open source project based only on the Apache License. However, we have since discovered that some of the files from the project are under GPL license and so we will be opening our code modifications up to the public with immediate effect, to ensure that we are fully compliant with GPL. All open source code can be found here – https://github.com/jide-opensource In addition, any other changes to open source code, such as those that are kernel-based, will be released to the public community as quickly as possible. To ensure that there is no uncertainty, we will also have a disclaimer included in our next release package that states details of our compliance." This opens the way for Google to include all of this into stock Android M on the next revision level (or when they get their various parts ready to go that is). People keep asking for "When Continuum is coming to Android" -- the answer to that will be "It is just Android now, use it". This move also wipes out one or two of the Jide competitors, because they are NOT FOSS compliant and are not sharing their code. As a matter of fact, one has "strongly borrowed" the entire Android x86 open source project and is selling it for money over in the orient, which will get them sued by FOSS shortly. Then all of their code will become GPL FOSS code and will be freely shared with the world by court order. Google is a different company -- they will provide you with ALL the code, free, and then NOT restrict it as tightly as they could by allowing you to do an Apache license on what you build out of it. With Apache, you can take and modify the Google code but not be required to share your modified code totally. This allows a little guy to have something to sell as the fruits of his labor modifying all the stuff in his unique ways. Google does keep an ongoing edge by not releasing ALL their unique code the first year, simply by saying it really isn't ready yet, let's wait a year. This is seen as both responsible and OK in the FOSS world. Google turns this into two years of edge by doing the Nexus only Beta pre-release trick for the -1 year, then the first year +1 full release, then posting all the code during year +2. This means the released code is fairly complete and clean, which is also a good thing. Since Industry takes 2 years to actually roll over to the next Google flavor anyway this works out well in reality. But it gives you a time line that Google may well use with rolling out Android PC / laptop functions. In the year to 2 years that remain, can Microsoft jerk enough people around to build a survivable, locked-in customer base for themselves? Can they manage to make a "clearly better product" to excuse the higher cost of ownership? ::) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/21/16 at 07:49:50 http://liliputing.com/2016/01/unofficial-intel-timeline-7nm-chips-in-2020-5nm-in-2022.html http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/18/what-is-the-name-of-intels-third-10-nanometer-chip.aspx OK, this is different. Intel has fired their BS cannon again, and this time The Motley Fool is reporting it as a "cautionary" be prepared to sell event rather than an "invest" event. The Fool is shocked that Intel isn't going to be timely to market and thinks that Intel always slips a year or two in what they actually do which makes them pretty much NON-competitive going out into the future. Why? Intel is really saying they are going to be 2 plus years late to the 10nm party and Samsung/Apple/Qualcomm is going to be there first for over a year and TSMC is going to be there at least part of a year before Intel gets there as well. But the Motley Fool report and the Liliputing report also points out that Intel isn’t the only company working hard on smaller, more efficient chips designs… and that it’s possible TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing) could beat Intel to the punch by producing its first 10nm chips in late 2016 and its first 7nm chips in early 2018. In the meantime, it looks like here’s the unofficial roadmap for new Intel chips for the next few years (if the rumors are correct): 2016 – 14nm “Kaby Lake” (Tock) 2017 – 10nm “Cannonlake” (Tick) 2018 – 10nm “Icecake” (Tock) 2019 – 10nm “Tigerlake” (Tock) 2020 – 7nm TBD (Tick) 2021 – 7nm TBD (Tock) 2022 – 5nm TBD (Tick) Me, I think 10nm for Apple/Samsung is right now this year with maybe Qualcomm coming on board for next year's products. 7nm means a shift away from traditional silicon and IBM/Samsung/Global Foundry consortium holds the patent edge on working 7nm tech right now. Ditto for 10nm tech too. Samsung is rumored to have a functioning 10nm line that Apple paid for and that line is rumored to be in Apple A-10 production as we speak. Slow, triple to quadruple-pass post-sorted prototype A-10 production, but production all the same. Production that will speed up as the 10nm tricks get better and better as more is known about running it faster at a good yeild. IF TSMC does manage to pull an upset at 10nm over Intel's best efforts, then the entire pack of ARM RISC chipset guys will have lapped the kludgy CISC architecture Intel uses for at least part of a year. This will likely signal a total tech tipping point as "Android as a PC" will be around about then as well. =========================== MS is now embracing whomever can bring the the best chipsets to their bed, so that MS boudoir match-up will change over periodically to show you who MS thinks is "the best chipsets right now" going on out into the future. Just recently, MS has taken Intel back into the fold again as Qualcomm seems to be embedded in their overheating mess again ...... this time the Qualcomm 820 is dragging Samsung down into the morass with them as Samsung is committed to using the Qualcomm chipset in next year's Samsung flagship phones. http://www.fudzilla.com/news/processors/39118-snapdragon-820-might-have-heating-problems http://www.fudzilla.com/media/k2/items/cache/cd90c2c7e3a543ff38fd521981a69d29_L.jpg http://www.bidnessetc.com/56259-qualcomm-snapdragon-820-faces-heating-problems-report/ "Qualcomm, Inc. (NASDAQ:QCOM) may be in the middle of another overheating crisis with its flagship Snapdragon 820 processor. Overheating was a focal point of concern for its predecessor Snapdragon 810, which suffered from thermal issues that caused the company to lose out on chip orders from major vendors. The company would have been hoping its days of overheating chips were behind it, but that doesn’t look to be the case. Business Korea has reported that Samsung is tweaking the upcoming Qualcomm flagship, specifically the microprocessor control program, in order to tackle the thermal issues detected on the chip. The publication claims Samsung will install a radiating pipe to provide a fix." Putting a heat pipe connection into the chipset cover itself and re-naming it as 85x something is likely an admission that the overheating problem does exist. Microsoft shifting back to Intel is another possible confirmation of ongoing Qualcomm heating/throttling issues. Certainly Mediatek is chomping at the bit to make some hay this upcoming year as their decacores DO outperform an overheated & throttled quadcore Qualcomm 820 (one with no heat pipe) and Mediatek already KNOWS it. If Samsung keeps to their commitment to use the Qualcomm chipset and the heat pipe trick doesn't work totally then both Samsung and Qualcomm might manage to get themselves lapped somewhat by Mediatek. :o And then this really will be a year of some significant change ups. :o |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 01/22/16 at 10:43:19 Almost all major online multiplayer games are set up to run either mac (apple) or microsoft as a choice for software. Literally NONE of them are set up for Linux, oh the developers LOVE unix/linux software and use it for themselves and to some extent to write the codes for the other two, how, I don't know, but I have been in chats with a few of them. Steam is a launching platform and converts a game to what ever system you use. A lot of the "heavy graphic" games won't work with steam, it causes video lag and game play is decreased. In a player vrs. player environment frame rate and connection rate is paramount, or you die. I am currently thinking of buying a "used" laptop to play with the Linux side (my little asus is now a security system), I remember using Linux to log into my battlenet account for one of my games without using "wine", or so I think I did. Something about searching the windows side of the hard drive file system and "attaching" the .exe file to the desktop or some such (my memory sux). I might use my wife's little asus to experiment with.... well, maybe, if she lets me :) I purchased a little rca tablet for her to take when she goes out, so she rarely uses her asus now. I will just dual boot it like I had on my asus and go from there. Back on point..... When it comes to gaming, windows is king at the moment, developers are hating the fact that they might actually have to listen to thier customers and re-write their software to include yet "another" operating system spec. However, with the open source, it could get tricky, because a lot of folks use "third party" software to "add on" to a game to enhance it for ease of use gaming. The add-on software lets them do things the original game was not designed to do, like map coordinates, memorize path of player through an area, location of treasure memory, ect.... Most companies allow it, only if the developer submits the code to the company for approval, and a third OS would mean more company man power to search codes for bad things.... :-X Ok, now throw Android into the picture....I don't even know how to class it... Google? So then you would have four different software setups per game.... I'm not sure developers would go for that. And due to the popularity of the Android software, I would think Linux would be pushed to the side and Android would be the next to step into the gaming OS software alliance, but, it hasn't been turned into a PC software yet...... So the gaming delema for me is this.... I HAVE to stick with Microsoft, Apple computers are OVERPRICED and not affordable to me. Android has yet to step into the PC arena as a viable gaming system software. The major gaming industry will not consider even writing game software until sales show a distinct rise and 100's of thousands of gamers are online with that OS and complaining to have the games in Android versions. >:( |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/23/16 at 00:20:23 Yep, Gabe's boys are supplying custom video card drivers and abstraction layers to convert old AAA title Windows games to run on Gabe's Steam boxes -- which means they also will run on your Linux distro of choice as they all have Steam set up for them. There is a Steam for Mac and a Steam for Android (although most old AAA titles require more processor and memory and video card than phone chips used to have, but this too is also something that is changing very quickly) I run a half a dozen Win 7 only titles, about two dozen Steam on Linux titles and I have LOTS of games to play now, more than I really need. Three of my "purchased for Win 7 titles" now show up on my Linux listing, which means they got flipped this past year alone. Old-Rider wants to play some heavy duty fully interactive team based on-line mega games, which are the worst of the lot as far as any new style technology goes. Every Steam Sale I find even more golden oldies have been flipped over to Steam and they are sitting there jest crying out to me for $2.99 (and I click, I do, shame on me). Anything based on GPL graphics standards can be flipped just about automatically now days. with the newer Vulcan graphics standard not being much more difficult. There are 1,500 out of 6,478 major AAA games that have been flipped now, and 7 out of 10 of last years big new titles came out new with a Steam version of the Xbox main release. HOWEVER, You will NEVER see Halo on Steam, MS wrote it and owns it. When that finally happens, I will hum a few bars of "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love ..... you make." ============================ Something new ---- home networked gaming streamed from your PC to your iPad or Android tablet http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/05/21/your-entire-steam-pc-game-library-coming-to-an-ipad-near-you/#1302c9b47de2 Apparently running the game on the home PC unit gets past all the hardware and driver stuff, and the wireless system in your house is now fast enough to let you remote the game from your hand-held device. This may possibly fix the huge multiplayer on line thing for Old-Rider ..... ..... but I doubt his old-style flight stick will work on his Android tablet ..... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/23/16 at 09:25:17 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/skylake-support There is now a LISTING (by brand) of the "retro-fitable" PCs that are being sold today that are the only ones that allow you to plunk down a copy of Win 7 or Win 8.1 on them. A very limited listing. Microsoft is serious about forcing you to buy Win 10 on any new machine you buy ....... Intel is working with MS, as Intel wants you to buy a new processor from them (despite the fact it has not a lick better throughput than what you actually own now, just a little bit better built in graphics and a little lower current draw on the power supply) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/24/16 at 10:10:28 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/03/windows-10-to-make-the-secure-boot-alt-os-lock-out-a-reality/ http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/201722-linuxs-worst-case-scenario-microsoft-makes-secure-boot-mandatory-locks-out-other-operating-systems http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/will-linux-no-longer-work-future-windows-10-hardware/ http://cdn.makeuseof.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/windows-10-no-linux-644x250.jpg?26523c OK, MS has pushed out their Secure Boot requirements to get a Win 10 sticker on the new PCs and Laptops. http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/windows-10-secure-boot-640x400.png Now the EU will take some sort of legal action against MS for doing this --- as they are ENJOINED by several previous court EU court cases NOT TO DO THIS SORT OF SHITE. "Actions in restraint of trade, Actions in restraint of use" Look for the MS Win 10 sticker on your proposed new purchase -- if sticker is there do not buy the device. CERTAINLY ASK for proof that you can dual boot Linux before you purchase the device. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 01/24/16 at 11:55:54 This is something the folks here in the good ol' USA will have to look into. When I purchase a computer the hardware is mine, but the software I use is not, and I am subjected to updates, or any "improvements". Now, I own the physical components, but, what about the imbedded software on the memory based components that runs them? Who owns that software? This is where that gray line is forming, subsidiaries of Microsoft that are partners, are obligated by contract to insert those lines of code to block dual boots or the removal of win 10 and installation of different OS software. I doubt that there is a single manufacturer of a windows machine being sold that does not have a contract with them. So, where does that leave us? We where never told by the supplier about EUFI secure boot requirements, heck, there wasn't anything like this on my hardware when I purchased it. Should the people who purchased machines before the EUFI secure boot software lock petition congress? Microsoft is actually writing software that CONTROLS your personal hardware completely. You do NOT have the freedom to install other software onto your personal machine. Well that's a kettle of fish on high isn't it? I'm sure there are ways that folks will hack the system, but me as a normal PC using joe, well, we are stuck.... and that just plain sux donut? But like I said in my last post.... its the gaming companies that are locked into windows because windows users are the majority, and that's where the money is. Perhaps in the future when folks start using the fastest bestest software that's not locked into their machines, things will change, my grand kids might have that option :o ;D Why doesn't sony come out with a PC? they have tons of multiplayer games and the play station is nearly a pc unto itself. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/24/16 at 16:43:00 Before long the FOSS opposition to MS will jell into another alternative. But that is not right now, and it will not be fall down easy either. Right now the best alternatives are Linux (fully defined, already existing) and ChromeOS as expressed in Chromebooks. The best Chromebook "full OS fusion" so far is Ubuntu Linux running on Crouton as a switchable part of ChromeOS. Android is coming up as another possible future solution, but that isn't really here yet. HOWEVER, at MS's present rate of Borging up their old customers old Win 7 hardware and the rate at which they are LOCKING UP all the brand new hardware with EFI lockdowns I would suspect that the only people who will remain "free to pick" are going to be folks who have the skills to blend Linux and an older version of MS. Let's see how long we can all stay free of MS's ball and chain effects. People with older hardware running XP or Vista are actually the fortunate ones right now. Most normal users will simply geek and pay whatever MS wants from them, or jump ship to Apple if they can afford to go do that. Future choices may come from Android, but that is a year, year and a half away, easy. MS's rate of attack is simply too high right now, they may actually regain control of "desktop computing" by simply taking over all the hardware and locking it down to only work with their software. :P |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 01/25/16 at 19:19:03 The problem with Microsoft XP, the support for it will stop in 2017.... The support for the IE for XP has stopped, I use firefox on the asus. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/25/16 at 20:16:58 Folks who go this route will likely just be looking for "enough" MS to support their gaming habit but only when they need it, so most likely they will likely use alternate OS products for all the day to day stuff. If someone wants to use MS Windows full time, they will likely go with Win 10 -- warts and all. These are the folks who will get locked down and manipulated by MS first off, because they think they NEED windows ...... If Win 10 goes and destroys all their good working Win 7 era drivers on their Win 7 or Win 8 machine and their software up and quits working and MS sends them an error report and tells them they need a new PC to fix it, why then by golly they will just tool on out to Best Buy and go buy one. These folks are Joe Sixpack and his wife Rita -- what did you expect them to go do? Right now you can get along with Ubuntu Linux (or a refined derivative like Linux Mint) for all your day to day stuff AND for about 50% of your AAA gaming needs. A carefully controlled Windows directory of any XP or better version on the same machine can take care of the other 50% of AAA gaming, if you have to have it, but you will have to fight a war to keep MS from borging that partition over to Win 10 when your back is turned. Issue with going to Win 10 on really old equipment is NOBODY is writing Win 10 drivers for the old Win 7 generation of PC hardware. MS certainly isn't. See the blue text above. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/27/16 at 06:22:10 I have told you this for a while now, that all the "Chromekiller PC laptops" are so underpowered and underspec'd that they become unuseable pretty quickly in the real world. The marketplace for these machines is generally young people and they tweet and facebook to each other constantly about machine this and machine that. To say they know a lot about tech is saying it very mildly ..... So, what follows shouldn't surprise you. http://www.extremetech.com/computing/221916-chromebooks-reportedly-killing-low-end-pc-laptops-good Chromebooks are reportedly killing low-end PC laptops. A new report suggests Windows PCs don’t just face a challenge from tablets and smartphones, but are increasingly under fire from within their own brand segment. Chromebooks, the web-based Google alternative to a Microsoft or Apple-powered laptop, have been slowly gaining ground since they debuted in 2011. Chromebooks are just a fraction of the PC market, at 2.8% in 2015, but that’s up from 1.9% in 2014. That’s an increase of 47% in just a year — not bad for growth when the PC market as a whole continues to take a beating. In response, companies like HP and Dell are reportedly cutting their losses and mostly leaving the sub-$300 PC space. Acer, Asus, and Lenovo continue to offer some PC products from $180 to $300, but we may see these products gradually phase out if they don’t sell well enough to justify their own existence. You could argue the surge in Chromebook sales is proof the venerable Wintel Alliance is no longer capable of defending itself, even on its own turf. Let’s be honest: Cheap Windows systems suck I realize that the header above may sound a bit pejorative or unprofessional, but I’d challenge anyone to refute it. Anyone who has had to guide a friend or family member through a budget-restricted, low-end laptop purchase knows that the entire process is a nightmare. Because manufacturers often run specials or markdowns on specific SKUs, trying to identify the best system on any given day involves wading through a morass of nearly identical specifications. Many of these bottom-end systems have at least one “gotcha” — a terrible keyboard, an insanely sensitive trackpad, or a display with viewing angles so narrow, it accidentally doubles as a security window. Inexpensive systems tend to have more bloatware than more-expensive hardware, and often carry the fewest support options. There is a difference between buying a no-frills budget PC product with solid basic performance and buying a bad laptop. All too often, inexpensive PC computer hardware crosses that line — and the cheaper you go, the worse it gets. And, because Google enforces hardware standards you get a GOOD trackpad, a fairly good keyboard and a screen that is acceptable, even on the very cheapest Chromebook. :D And I find it AMAZING that an $89 refurbie Hisense Chromebook can respond quicker and do web work better than a $250 MS Win 10 "Chromekiller' laptop. But, yep, it can. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/27/16 at 11:49:45 Without Oldfeller and his knowledge of the state of the advancements in the world of technology and his overall grasp of the different systems, their comparative strengths and weaknesses, I would be ignorant of just how desperately IGNORANT I am of all the above mentioned things. I guess that's just the difference between me and so many others. I know when someone else is just more informed and has studied a topic more and understands more deeply the intricacies of that topic. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/27/16 at 14:59:37 Having read this stuff for several years now, you DO KNOW more than 90% of normal people. And yes, I bet you do know the difference between an ARM chipset (RISC) and Intel chips (CISC) and I bet you can say who controls what market with what sort of chipset. You and Serobot just luv to play ignerant so as to spoof on the pedantic ...... :) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/28/16 at 05:36:26 And yes, I bet you do know the difference between an ARM chipset (RISC) and Intel chips (CISC) and I bet you can say who controls what market with what sort of chipset. Actually, no, I don't. The Intel name I recognize. I remember another name, IIRC, AMD or ADM, some years ago, gamers were overclocking and the cooling systems were really sophisticated. My doctors son was building computers and entering them in shows. The thing is how my memory works. I NEED things to be visual and intuitive. History was about impossible. It was just a bunch of apparently unrelated events that occurred at times that had no meaning to me. But, I could repair copiers that I had to be shown what buttons to push just to make it try to make a copy. And, since I know I'm not gonna be using the knowledge that you have, I don't try very hard to retain it. It's too hard, I don't Trust me to remember it correctly. One teacher told us, You don't have to know everything, you just need to know where to go to find the answers. Gotta head for the car. Time to get the grandson to school. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/28/16 at 08:00:42 http://liliputing.com/2016/01/orange-pi-one-is-a-tiny-quad-core-pc-for-10-plus-4-shipping.html Orange Pi One is a tiny quad-core PC for $10 (plus $4 shipping) Let us stroke our imaginations while looking at this picture of a 4 core 32 bit computer costing a whopping $14 after shipping ...... http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/orange-pi-one_02.jpg When Android includes all the Jide type tricks, this will be a desktop PC ........ |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/28/16 at 09:16:30 I actually built a few towers. Bought the mother board, poked the brain in it, stuffed it with as much state of the art RAM, installed the power supply, floppy disk drive and CD read/write. not knowing that the hard drive everyone was suggesting was sucky... loaded Windows office or maybe it was the Home version,, yeah, it was that long ago. What kinda capacity does that little thing have?? They don't have a spinning hard drive anymore, do they? Does that mean they don't have ram? That's just way cool. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 01/28/16 at 09:31:30 doc's say 512 ddr ram (picture says 256) hard drive (spinny kind or otherwise) can be added by USB port of course, E&OE :-? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/28/16 at 13:32:57 Pretty handy site for a guy like me. http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/ARM-processor The Whirld Y'd Web. SO much stuff out there. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/28/16 at 19:47:09 Microsoft sales figures. Real Microsoft sales figures. In other words, compared to the industry in total, instead of back against Microsoft in some sort of fashion that makes it look good for MS. Microsoft lies willfully with figures all the time lately ...... Microsoft does stuff like say "Surface tablets and notebooks sales are up 29% !!!!" But what does that mean, 29% of WHAT the heck exactly are you talking about? ------------------------------------------------------------------ The entire phone industry moved 1.4 billion smart phones last year in total. Year before last year Microsoft moved 10.5 million phones. This last year Microsoft moved only 4.5 million phones, a 57% decline in sales year on year. This is the big result of Win 10 "sweeping the nation" as a phone OS system. This means Win 10 phone is only 0.3 of 1% of the total number of smart phones sold in 2015. ..... and what is completely murderous is that this number is also rolling up all the non-Win 10 (Win 8.1) phones that were moved recently at really really really huge discount rates. --------------------------------------------------------------------- So, how did Microsoft do on the PC front? Musta done better, right? http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/56968e64c08a80492c8b794e-1200-900/20160113_pc_bi.png Nope. That's 4 years in a row of strong decline in Microsoft PC sales. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/29/16 at 16:27:54 Well, I said it first ..... Microsoft has killed off Windows phone as of today. http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2016/01/30/microsoft-windows-phone-lumia-sales-crash/#6735cce71d3f http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/28/10864034/windows-phone-is-dead http://techcrunch.com/2016/01/29/windows-phone-is-an-ex-platform/#.oopceol:qU2i http://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/01/29/1639209/microsofts-windows-phone-platform-is-dead http://www.computerworld.com/article/2946053/windows-phone-os/microsoft-lumia-and-windows-phone-dead-itbwcw.html http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/windows-phone-dead-amazon-spotify-killer-tech-news-digest/ http://wmpoweruser.com/reality-cruel-tencent-drops-windows-10-mobile-development/ https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/windows-phone/64299/the-long-slow-decline-of-windows-phone ...... http://cdn.makeuseof.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/goodbye-windows-phone-644x373.jpg?26523c Windows Phone is 98% dead ....... renaming it "Surface Phone" isn't going to help, it will just hurt the Surface brand name. http://betanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Deadly-blizzard-of-falling-snow-pouring-down-on-a-dead-female-zombie-crying-tears-of-pain-e1454083511726.jpg Windows Phone Is a Dead Man Walking Hey Mom, yeah, they just changed my name to Surface Phone ...... no, I still have no heartbeat but it is really cold outside so I smell better. Yes, some better, a little bit better. Really, Mom, only you would say that -- yes I took a bath. http://https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZ1tSgkVIAAOU7F.png The question becomes then, why is the zombie girl smiling and crying tears of joy ???? Mom says I will get to rest in peace soon ...... UGLY BUT TRUE RUMOR: Microsoft is strongly discounting their warehouses full of last year's non-sold (with aging, partially dead batteries) phones to FreedomPOP so FreedomPOP can practically give them away as come-ons to their free phone service plans which in turn is a come-on to their low end $10-$20 a month pay me phone plans. Microsoft programmers are helping to write the needed code to interface with the FreedomPOP Sprint based service and a large "supporting" donation has been made along with the phones. A very sizeable 8.x billion dollar "inventory adjustment charge" will be added to MS's books this quarter to write down all the lost value of the Windows phones that are being sold out for practically nothing. MS will NOT be stuck holding this inventory at year's end financial roll up time, Wall Street demands that all old depreciated stocks be GONE. A truly ignominious end to a $400 to $600 Windows 8.1 or Win 10 "premium" phone, really. ::) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/31/16 at 15:02:30 https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/windows-phone/64299/the-long-slow-decline-of-windows-phone http://https://www.thurrott.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/itsover.jpg "Microsoft conceded the smart phone market to Android and iPhone last July when Mr. Nadella wrote an open letter to employees explaining that it was time to “fundamentally restructure its phone business.” The company said it would take an impairment charge of approximately $7.6 billion related to assets associated with the acquisition of the Nokia Devices and Services business in addition to a restructuring charge of approximately $750 million to $850 million. So over $8 billion flushed down the toilet, and that’s only in direct costs related to Nokia/hardware. Microsoft had been losing money—and losing generally—on Windows phone all along. Like Germans hoping for a secret “super weapon” to turn the tide of World War II in its end stages, Windows phone fans have again pinned their hopes on some future miracle that will save the platform. Two key pipe dreams emerged. Continuum. Many point to Continuum, which I early on had pushed as a way to differentiate to differentiate Lumia/Windows phone in a Surface-like way. (Though this makes no sense until/unless Intel x86-based phones appear.) Surface phone. Many also point to a presumed/rumored Surface phone, though here I can rightfully claim to know as much as anyone. Which is to say almost nothing: I believe we’re reaching the point of no return on a such a device, which would pointlessly drag down the Surface brand. Neither of these things are an answer to the real problems with Windows phone: The complete and utter lack of meaningful apps that literally billions of people now rely on every day is what has just about completely destroyed Windows phone at this point in time. And I think that’s how Windows phone really ends. Not in a blaze of glory, but in a limping, sad, inevitable, and inexorable decline. For fans of the platform—for me—it’s like watching a loved one slowly succumb to disease. It’s hard. And it hurts." Paul Thurrott writes the Windows Phone eulogy and he and others now point out that just now dozens of Windows Phone app companies have just recently abruptly dropped their development projects because MS has abruptly ended paying out their "special support dollars" to have their separate platform phone stuff written in the first place. This is on top of the HUNDREDS of apps that were written last year and years previous, apps which (when the final payment was collected by the app writers) the expected ongoing flow of updates to fix all the app bugs etc. NEVER CAME -- why? simply because the MS payment money had totally stopped flowing. Microsoft did not stop with their constant flow of Win 10 phone platform changes, however ..... and so these outside written phone apps all started to break inside of 4 months after being finalled. This same situation is faced by the Windows 10 app writers, there is no stable workspace platform to write against -- MS keeps changing it. And the app writers aren't going to keep up with constantly updating their apps, continuing making all the necessary programming adjustments, without a cash flow back in return. And MS isn't paying out like they did in the past ...... Broken apps -- "a wasteland" full of them. They should post faded & torn MS Phone signage up on all the broken down billboards in the landscapes of Fallout 4 as a ode to past MS phone glories ..... Is this the same way Win10 is going to go? "Universal Apps" abandoned by the dozens by their writers as MS slides further down the slippery slope to irrelevance? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 02/02/16 at 01:46:17 http://9to5mac.com/2015/01/14/apple-a-series-chips-mac/ AS PREDICTED: Apple is designing its own Mac processors; Global Foundry added to Apple’s chipmaking stable Intel is still there, but marginalized as a third choice in baseband chipsets. http://https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/kgi-apple-intel-a10-processors.png?w=1000 OK, the A10x chipset is currently being built at 10nm and is being built exclusively by Samsung for Apple Phones, Tablets and Laptops. The process is slow, but the pile of chipsets is slowly building. Sorted into two piles, with the fastest most energy efficient going to premium Apple phones and the slower less energy efficient pile going to tablets and a new low end laptop. This prediction/rumor has come out of the rumor closet now and is showing up on build schedules. What does this mean? MUCH MORE serious competition from Apple eating up more of MS's upper end Surface and Laptop market share, while Google continues to nibble away all the sub $350 laptop sales with better and better Chromebooks. Microsoft will be in a new sales vice, with Apple on the up side and Google Chromebooks on the bottom side. And as far as Intel "requiring" MS Win 10 or they won't work -- that is MS saying that, not Intel. Intel will want their chipsets to be able to go into ANYBODY's product that can afford the big Intel price tags. What Intel sees is ARM chipsets invading their old PC/Laptop breadbasket turf at top and bottom, driven by both Apple and Google as they attack MS with better products at lower costs. Intel wants to supply arms to all three sides of the conflict ...... but much less expensive bullets can be had now by two of the three sides. ::) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 02/02/16 at 08:28:11 http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/02/01/alphabet-google-apple-market-cap/79652616/ Google is now the most valuable company in the world http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/files/2016/02/01/Aple%20vs%20Google%20.JPG On top of all the recent bad news from Microsoft and Apple, Google has racked up a piece of news of its very own. Part of it is Google's doing, the Alphabet selective break up allows the Google companies to shine separately, permitting them to seek capitalization of their own growth plans in whatever manner their base idea can support. Example, the self-driving cars ..... All those crazy Moon shots are beginning to pay off, in other words. As each one matures, it breaks off and seeks its own value on the stock market. And folks are finding out that Google didn't back any losers so far. Part of it is Apple's doing, Apple has hit a rough patch where folks didn't just rush out to buy the new iPhone like they were properly programmed to do in the past. Instead, this past year most held off buying anything and quite a few switched sides to Android, trying to get a better deal on their cell service plan accordingly. So, what do you think? Is it just an aberration, or does Google/Alphabet belong at the #1 company spot, overall, world wide? Look to see Apple shake off their snooze and DO SOMETHING this year to get their crown back. Also note that Wall Street has "adjusted" Microsoft and Intel, lowering their company valuations (stock price) relative to the technological front runners. Google 554 billion Apple 553 billion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft 230 billion >>>>>>>> sliding on down to oblivion >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel 147 billion >>>>>>>> |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 02/03/16 at 07:41:36 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-29/google-s-solar-fueled-cyber-drone-crashes-during-new-mexico-test http://www.wired.com/2015/07/facebook-poses-test-737-sized-solar-powered-drone/ Drone war between Google and Facebook Wifi vs 4G LTE as best methodology Google’s relatively small Solar-Fueled Cyber Drone ...... http://assets.bwbx.io/images/iK1mxiiFs7xI/v1/1200x-1.jpg ..... vs Facebook's huge solar drone http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/CX-Deck-43-932x621.jpg Well folks, it is all about 4G LTE coverage way up in the sky -- with billions being spent now to capture the rights to send you high speed internet through an antenna on your roof at prices so low your cable company cannot compete with it. There is also a side war between wifi and 4G LTE as to who gives the best coverage for dollar spent, with 4G LTE coming up on top right now (4G can carry further than wifi can). Google has their Loon Balloons up there by the hundreds in the southern hemisphere already and plans to use their relatively small mobile drones as "hole pluggers". Google drones will circulate with the wind currents like the balloons do, but are able to move quickly laterally to plug in a "transmit hole" as they occur in the balloon coverage due to wind current shifts, etc. Facebook plans to put up HUGE drones that glide in place over a given area forever. These are massively more powerful units as they have to buck the wind currents to stay in one place. We got people realizing that internet is REALLY BIG BUSINESS and the current cable carriers are not getting the job done nearly as well as the European and Asian cable and data providers have done. Because the politicians are allowing the big telecoms and cable providers to sit on their legalities, Americans pay 4x what the rest of the world does for less than half the internet throughput speeds everybody else gets. This is also why Google is going for the south hemisphere first, as they aren't being fought by the incumbent "area/monopoly protected" cable companies and telecoms like they are in the USA. The whole "Our roots are in Telephone and TV" thing is killing good cheap internet in the USA as the legal required "AT&T Breakup pricing structures" and the mass of historical US cable company regulations and laws needs a total overhaul. Or to be tossed out completely .... forcing all the USA players to compete against each other with no protected zones or other barriers. ========================================= http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/2/8129543/google-x-internet-balloon-project-loon-interview Full video explanation http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/2/8129543/google-x-internet-balloon-project-loon-interview Inside Project Loon: Google's internet in the sky is almost open for business in the Southern Hemisphere http://https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/IUSbBU0wRVGj4nEhtwxk4u2N0oo=/1200x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3458986/wind_currents.0.gif |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 02/04/16 at 08:33:02 http://liliputing.com/2016/02/bq-aquaris-m10-an-ubuntu-tablet-that-also-works-as-a-desktop.html http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/bq-m10_02.jpg CHANGE ..... it does. Whether you want it to or not. This past month change has been rapid and has run across the entire globe. So much has changed in the past few months that we are getting numb to it, getting bombarded constantly with big items of change. Big items, like MS functionally crashing on their Windows phone efforts (not that they will ever admit such, they keep a brave face like nothing is wrong). Small items, like Ubuntu shipping "convergence" next month in its original Ubuntu format. Yes, finally, for real. They are using a tablet instead of a phone at first, as more grunt and video power comes stock in a tablet than in the current cheap phones. Tiny items, like Firefox sending out their very last update to Firefox OS for phones .... then shovelling the dirt over the coffin after lowering it into the ground. Here's a big piece of change. Cell phones have hit saturation in the USA, China and India and now all the plethora of cell phone makers are weeding themselves out by putting all the newest features into phones that sell for $250 or less. So many "midline" new phones are still sitting in warehouses while getting totally lapped by this "rising bottom end" action that there are companies like FreedomPOP are making a business out of moving your new warehouse stocks of suddenly now out of date phones for you. Last year's $250 phone for $49 ---- yep, I'm sitting here looking at one. And the price of it dropped to $39 just yesterday ...... And there will be many many more of them coming out in the future. https://forums.freedompop.com/discussion/11877/83-off-motorola-moto-e-2nd-gen-only-39-99-limited-time-only PS, please don't jump right out and go buy this offer -- it is a giant gotcha and will turn into a $29.99 a month phone plan while your back is turned. You can fix it after the first 90 days, but it will require you to make several phone calls as you kill feature after feature that they have laden on to you that you didn't ever want and never asked for. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 02/05/16 at 08:07:33 http://liliputing.com/2016/02/maruos-claims-to-turn-your-android-phone-into-a-linux-desktop.html MaruOS claims to turn your Android phone into a Linux desktop http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/maruos_01.jpg "Odds are that the smartphone in your pocket is powerful enough to run some desktop apps like office suites, web browsers, and other productivity tools. But the software on most phones is designed for mobile devices, not desktop screens. Microsoft is starting to change that with Continuum for phone, and Canonical’s Ubuntu “convergence” software could one day let you run both mobile and desktop apps on your phone (at launch, it’ll only be available on a tablet). Now there’s a new player in this space: MaruOS is a custom build of Android designed to let you interact with Android apps on your phone’s screen. But connect a display, keyboard, and mouse and you can run Debian Linux. Right now MaruOS only supports the Google Nexus 5 smartphone, and you’ll need a SlimPort cable to connect your phone to a display (by plugging one end into the micro USB port on your phone and the other to an HDMI port on your TV or monitor)". Remember, Google takes and uses FOSS code all the time. That is what FOSS is all about. Then, after a year of polishing the packaging Google then gives it all back to FOSS as a completed Android Open Source version. As we see these little groups doing more and more good things, it only makes it possible for the good stuff to go into Android 7.0 all the sooner and be all the more complete and all the better. And remember, I did mention that the EFI lockdown bullshite that MS is moving into right now is going to piss FOSS off and make them move faster to provide full android/linux mixed alternatives to MS Win 10, alternatives that will get more and more compelling and better as time goes on. People use their cell phones all the time and cell phones right now (even the cheap ones) can run Debian or Ubuntu or Mint just dandy. And that is just the little quad core A53 jobbies like I have in my $39 FreedomPOP phone. Drop the sucker into a generic Android docking station (or use the simple single cable option and a USB hub) and go to town on a big screen running Debian. (Debian is fine, Debian IS Ubuntu and it IS Linux Mint --- just missing some features and some polish) So when you see stuff like this popping up all over, simply look at it and pay attention to the basic idea behind it. Now, think of it all as being built into Android proper in a year or so and then see that MS's future pathway as being all restrictive and stupid simply isn't going to last very long. Trying to "hard lock people" into MS's ecosystem isn't going to pan out for MS near 100% like they hope, not by a long shot. It will just speed the shrinkage rate of PC/Windows considerably as folks exercise those new alternatives that are coming up as we speak. This crop of folks and the Ubuntu crop of folks are building a full featured OS set that covers your phone and your desktop, flipping between them seamlessly. Both are using the https://linuxcontainers.org/lxc/ tools that Shuttleworth and the boys put together to support the Ubuntu phone from two years ago. So, all these bits and pieces are FOSS bits and pieces and Android can incorporate the key tricks and hooks into itself at will. You do realize that Steam games come along with this packaged set, right? Steam for Debian has been out for well over a year now. And some ARM processors are swinging powerful graphics now, enough to play the older AAA titles. ;) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 02/06/16 at 03:28:50 http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/02/05/free-windows-10-true-cost/#12c3776a593f http://blogs-images.forbes.com/gordonkelly/files/2015/12/Screenshot-2015-12-16-at-12.53.29-1200x755.png Turning The Screw Microsoft has followed through on its widely criticised decision to give Windows 10 ‘Recommended’ status in Windows Update. This means installations begin automatically for users who have not changed the default Windows Update settings (the vast majority) so they will now have to proactively cancel a Windows 10 upgrade which has already started, rather than the prior approach of saying they don’t want it to start. Fine. Tech savvy users and the most belligerent were happy to cancel the installation and remain on the copies of Windows they chose to pay for. Yet it still isn’t that simple. Infoworld reports those who cancelled the installation after it started are finding it restarts every time they reboot their computer. Furthermore many are not even spotting the automatic install in the first place since it comes hidden in the form of a Microsoft EULA (end user licence agreement) which the user is asked to accept. While not advisable, it is commonplace behaviour for customers to blindly accept EULAs without paying full attention to them, but if you do in this case then Windows 10 begins installation and cannot be stopped. It's a long article, but it basically says MS just kicked into high gear yesterday and they are slamming Win10 onto user machines all over the USA, whether it breaks your stuff or not. Whether you want it or not. Furthermore, MS says you accepted this when you signed up for Win 7 originally since they have the EULA given right to change the EULA at their whim without notifying you. So, MS takes the gloves off and slams Win 10 onto user machines wholesale, starting now. Next wave upcoming is this -- MS breaks your old machine's drivers and then tells you that you need new hardware because your old hardware isn't "compatible". And tough turkey to you, too. So far the protections around my Win7 gaming partition are holding. MS knows the partition is there but cannot get to it to replace the 200 meg of stuff they would like to auto-install, and the 8 gigs of stuff they want to download into hidden folders. So far the NO is holding ....... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 02/06/16 at 07:52:16 so dumbasses like me could be on 10 already and not know it? at what point would I find out and how? Assuming my first clue wouldn't be a 'fatal systems error' honestly unless and until it causes me problems or costs me money I'll likely use it after that I'll switch to an android tablet |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 02/06/16 at 13:37:54 Art, is your machine on automatic update? Then, potentially it could be changed over without notifying you at this point in time (and going forward, too). You should notice a new splash screen during boot ups though, as it is different from Win 7 or Win 8.1 (which are the only ones subject to auto update right now). |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 02/06/16 at 16:36:50 Google is still having issues with the wings.. http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/29/google-solar-plane-crash-wing-failure/ And last may http://www.engadget.com/2015/05/29/googles-solar-plane-crashed-earlier-this-month/ They need better engineers :) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 02/06/16 at 18:03:26 I think the powered sailplanes are running very much to extreme wing length trying to get in all the solar panels that they can. Wind gusts at take off are very dangerous to such "over winged" craft as the wings deform easily, and at take off can drag the ground and make a crash out of it. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 02/06/16 at 19:24:59 Wife's Vista machine just got notified that support was ending for her graphics drivers and her browsers. Vista is actually only a year or two off Win 7 and by and large ran at the same hardware level and for it to get chopped off at the knees right now smells a bit like a plan coming together. If you can't upgrade it to Win 10, OBSOLETE it ..... make it stop working for the standard Joe Sixpack user. Make him go buy another one. I'm thinking about it -- right now I think I will just pick me a browser or two that is going to go on working and just let her continue using it until it quits completely. Issue becomes this -- when Firefox and Chrome also stop supporting an OS, that isn't Microsoft doing it, that is the simple piling on of years doing it. Actually, Vista's market share is only a couple of percent now, so why would anybody want to keep putting more and more work into it? :-/ ======================================== Firefox will continue to support XP and Vista for a while longer, and Opera browser has no intention to stop supporting XP and Vista at all. Opera is odd, it really doesn't care what it runs on and given its off the beaten path nature, it does OK as a brower. Opera also runs in the same manner on all OS products, so that too is something good about it, strange, but good anyway. Opera runs on Linux, Mac, Windows, Android -- you name it, Opera runs on it. Except for BSD -- Opera did drop BSD though. But Berkley Software Distribution Unix isn't anyone hot button right now, although Mac OS originally used it as their source code roots nobody uses it much nowadays except for very old mainframes. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 02/06/16 at 21:13:47 I'm still getting "suggestions" to "upgrade" to Win 10, which I ignore, but who knows, I may have been "upgraded" without my knowing. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Serowbot on 02/06/16 at 22:22:01 Not certain, but I think you'll notice... Eventually,.. Windows wants to force all Windows users to 10... Once everyone's there,... they will start charging a yearly fee for maintenance and updates... I'm still using XP... which is no longer supported, and not getting updates... When it ceases to function... I will go to Linux (which I hate), but I won't be blackmailed into a subscription service. I think I see the future... and it sucks... ;D |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 02/07/16 at 01:13:24 Myself, I see the usefulness of the android, linux, ect... OS (future) and others like them. providing the consumer with multiple applications to personalize his/her PC, however... making the software compatible with each other kind of locks everyone into a specific set of parameters for office or business software.(it has to be compatible with everyone's OS) I will probably go mac for my game (it only runs a windows version and a mac version), so I guess I'll have to save up for two years to be able to afford a mini apple 13" or 15" laptop to play my game(if windows does the charge thing). Who knows, maybe i'll just give it up after 7 or 8 years of playing it, but I doubt it... too much time and effort put into all the aspects of the game. P.S. back on topic, read this morning on yahoo.... (if you follow the link to ZD net, be aware it will throw up a couple of pop up advertisements, you can close them and read the story) http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-subscriptions-arent-happening-heres-why/ |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 02/07/16 at 06:30:58 http://zdnet1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2016/02/06/09b3b180-ac8a-4dd0-bc5c-ff46058f9244/bc46bb9a072373a7ea9bdfa8f4187051/msft-revenue-by-category-fy2015.jpg Ed Bott is a MS apologist, but he makes a valid point that MS isn't likely to charge you a large fee directly associated with the basic Win10 OS. But they will use Win10 to lock you into their software world and then force you over the years to upgrade this and that, which they WILL charge you for doing. Office for example, isn't free, not after the first year anyway. And Office gets jerked around every year or so, with formatting and features that won't read from one version to the one after next, etc. etc. so you have to keep up fairly closely. I can see MS packaging Office, etc. inside a premium maintenance package that includes some premium features for Win10 and selling it to you as an optional package. Get you used to paying a little extra for some premium stuff, get the idea fixed into their ecosystem. Remember, people are not happy with MS right now -- they are being jerked around and they know it. And I hate to say it, when things get tight later on MS may decide to raise a little extra revenue from business and whack them for even more OS money as part of their premium package deals. Then they can toss the uptick in on all the rest of us who want more than the basic level of service. MS is shrinking, PC is shrinking, and MS is plotting a tiptoe pathway through a minefield of pissed off people to try to keep what market share they currently have. ======================================= HOWEVER, it is clear FOSS is coming into the OS business in a more comprehensive manner. I see Android being the vehicle, incorporating hunks of Linux as needed. Google is funny -- if MaruOS or Jide do manage to put together a winning package set, Google won't wreck their business by rolling over top of it. Google would offer to buy them out first, and would give them credit for the unique non-FOSS code they incorporated into Android after paying them for it. Remember, Android itself started out in just this fashion. Or, if an arrangement can be made, they will do like they did Republic Wireless -- let them be the low end provider at the level they have already implemented and take over at a higher position, offering a up level service. Google is always very careful to respect the FOSS players, something MS never seemed able to even try to do. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 02/07/16 at 08:13:48 Being basically a Mennonite, I have no idea what a splash page is ;D My paln remains unchanged: keep using my windows box for now, with Chrome browser (IE is a great way to load a good browser on your PC after purchase) When and if MS asks for money or my PC goes wonky, I'll get an android tablet (or maybe before, to save space in my bitty littl trailer) problem solved ;) the power users will figure out their own ways of dealing with it |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 02/07/16 at 14:45:06 786B6D6E7C7B7B190 wrote:
Walmart online has some good deals on android tablets... I just upgraded my last years model and ordered an RCA Viking Pro 10" for $84 /w tax and shipping was free (over $50) It has more ports (large standard USB, micro USB, mini HDMI) which is very useful, it has 32gig onboard memory.... heck just look it up at the walmart online site... if you buy in store it's like $129 before taxes. I do a lot of stuff with it, only thing I cannot do is play video intensive games. I am going to do a factory reset on my last years model and send it to my son... he will love that. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by badwolf on 02/07/16 at 15:37:47 Amazon has the Fire 7'' tablet on sale for $40 !!! Hard to go wrong with that. Great price for someone to try out a tablet. I checked it out to mount on the bike as a ''LARGE'' speedo/moving map, but no gps. Damm, guess I'll stick with a cheap 5.5'' phone. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TSUGXKE/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00TSUGXKE&linkCode=as2&tag=bradlindsdigi-20&linkId=QOYSFJAJVPD32JX7 http://www.geekbuying.com/item/HOMTOM-HT7-5-5inch-HD-Screen-MT6580A-Quad-Core-Smartphone-Android-5-1-1GB-RAM-8GB-ROM-3000mAh-Smart-Wake---Black-360087.html??&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=EDM&utm_content=&utm_campaign=DMWEB_2016-01-30 |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 02/07/16 at 21:13:05 You can tether your tablet to your android phone...... and then slap it on your bars and have a HUGE display :) http://www.pcworld.com/article/261928/the_ultimate_android_tethering_guide.html There are several "how to tether" using android software..... read up and have fun! That 7" sounds like the cats meow to have with you on trips! You could tether it to your smart phone and not worry about your phone getting wet while using the gps function. Better to waste a $40 phone than a $75 gps (like I did in the Texas spring run) and you can still use wi-fi at rest stops and other places :) P.S. I just talked a fellow thru using the micro HDMI port to manually feed his Netflix onto his 40" led TV. Some of this "smart" stuff is really useful, if you don't want to pay tons of cash for cable. Make sure you have a good data plan though (his was unlimited) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 02/08/16 at 07:37:45 a 7" tablet is probably great for on the road, but I dunno if it'd work as a 'substitute' home computer or not, I'd definitely need one with a keyboard in order to do forums Most 10" ones come with, or have ports for, keyboards, and have 5. whatever 'lollipop' like my cell phone, which is supplying my PC with internet access for me to type this, so I know about tethering, at least USB tethering I think the Kindle has 4. something In addition, if your tablet has a SIM card port, you can download a 'tablet talk' app 'provided your tablet has speaker and mic) and just plug tour SIM card into it (the folks at ATT store assure me this will work) and you now have a 7, 10, or 11" tablet on which you have internet, and can make and receive telephone calls and texts, then pop the SIM back in your regular phone for carrying around if you don't want to be seen walking around holding a 10" tablet to your head like some sort of loony bin escapee ;D for $40 buck the fire might be worth a lookisee though one bonus is I'd have my 'library' of kindle books with me at all times :D |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 02/08/16 at 21:30:30 I pay annually for amazon prime... $99 and you get lots of free movies, tv programs and YES BOOKS..... I down load at least 30 books every two weeks now... I'm getting bad about not putting down the tablet to sleep. Going to have to limit my reading time to get stuff done in the garage, house, ect... LOL :) Most authors that do series of books put out the first one for free, charge like 1.99 for the 2nd and it goes up from there, I usually read the first one and hardly ever the second, unless it is like .99 I think the annual price is worth it, we have watched tons of free movies and tv shows, and you only have to have computer access cable to watch them. (or wi-fi, or tether) Also you can get new releases for around $5 to rent, if you can't wait for it to drop to $3 :) Although some movies will not rent out for about 2 months, so you can store them on your hard drive for around $14. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 02/09/16 at 08:03:34 Currently I rent movies on DVD and pop them it the computer I'm told I can get TV out of El Campo if I get rabbit ears but haven't tried yet (I'm not big on TV) at this time I usually have the radio for noise, and I'm on the computer If I go places I take a book along, or a device (pretty sure I read some on my phone during the Sisters run, the paper book required an external light source an I didn't want to keep anyone up) so yes a kindle is tempting, but Prime sort of isn't, due to high data usage needed for TV / movie viewing (I'm careful about Youtube too') I have unlimited data, but only 5 gig high speed, then it slows way down and videos do a lot of 'buffering) I could get a mobile hot spot, but only AT7T works well out here, and they rape you on their data of course, I could use free wifi at many places to download the movies, etc, then watch, the delete the 7" screen doesn't really appeal much though, my Cell has a 5.5" screen, so a Fire wouldn't be much of a step up maybe I'm wrong, I'll look at the 7" tablet they have at WM for a size comparison, but i think a 10 or 11 inch would be better of course for what WM wants in store for a 10" I could get the 10" you got via WM online and a Fire lol |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/07/16 at 07:29:50 http://liliputing.com/2016/03/unuiga-s905-64-bit-arm-based-mini-desktop-remix-os-crowdfunding.html http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/unuiga-s905_03.jpg To order or to learn more go here: http://igg.me/at/unuiga Remix OS is finding new friends out in the Orient. This is Charbax, major lives there Dutch type dude who works as an Oriental reporter who is all over YouTube all the time about oriental tech this and that -- he is floating a $25 low cost device that has decent enough specs that uses full windowing Android Remix OS to make a "PC" type device. More interest is being shown on the step up $45 unit though, with 2 gigs of system memory and 32 gigs of flash memory. All are using a quad core 2.2 ghz A53 Armlogic chipset -- a low end Cheap powerhouse of a chipset. The step up unit costs $15 extra bucks and is soooooo worth the tenner everyone will be ordering it. Some Real Interest now exists in this Remix OS trick ..... it seems to be picking up some steam as the months go by. The reporter types like Charbax and Brand Linder have spotted them a "change wave" and are following it pretty closely, and both are actually tending to support it now since it works so well in their eyes. Note: not perfectly yet -- many things inside the PlayStore do not support anything but phone style touch controls -- but it does work well enough to really do some productive stuff for you and to not hassle you while doing it. The Android world is developing the trick OPEN SOURCE so the code can move back into general Android releases whenever Google decides it is cooked well enough to become their stock Android "concurrence" mode. Google always supports their offspring like Jide, so Google will likely put Jide into their PlayStore and provide the OS hooks for it in the OS itself and then donate code to the Jide Project to smooth out any rough edges that they see taking place. You see, Jide and Android x86 Projects are free standing FOSS groups that Google will protect and support and contribute to as the whole Project is something Google has promoted all along since they split off 3 of their own people to go front it. And as MS fully exposes their Win 10 plan, folks like us will be able to opt out of Win 10 World by putting this Remix OS on their existing old PC hardware ---- assuming this grows into a fully functional product that can completely do all that you need it to do. BTW ..... Your old PC hardware is Grossly Overpowered compared to what Remix OS requires to run like lightning super fast. :) https://youtu.be/ECRdAoQJKR0 |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/07/16 at 08:47:09 http://liliputing.com/2016/03/reports-windows-10-redstone-2-release-coming-2017.html Reports: Windows 10 “Redstone 2” release coming in 2017 http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/surface-pro-4.jpg The next major update for Windows 10 is due this summer, but we may have to wait until early 2017 for the next big updated after that. According to ZDNet, Microsoft had planned to launched the “Redstone 2” update before the end of 2016, but the company has reportedly pushed back that date to coincide with the launch of next-gen hardware from Microsoft. Does this surprise you, that Win 10 won't even be past the current Beta level release when the free Win 10 offer supposedly ends? That it is over a year past due type late at this point in time? ::) Does it surprise you that this new "we are awaiting some great new hardware" costs $1,700 and up from the MS Store? Also, does it surprise you that MS got totally lambasted last week for seemingly trying to create a "walled garden" of overpriced hardware that will be required for their "free" Win 10 OS product going into next year ????? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 03/07/16 at 08:53:31 essentially, I'm waiting to see what my employer does. my home computer has always served as a backup/work at home solution. until my work programs have an android/linex application, I'm pretty much stuck. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/07/16 at 10:13:09 http://liliputing.com/2016/03/shashlik-lets-run-android-apps-linux-desktop-environments.html http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/shashlik.jpg "There are nearly two million apps available for Google’s Android operating system, and most are designed to run on smartphones or tablets. But operating systems like Remix OS and Phoenix OS make the case that you could run those apps in a desktop-like environment. Shashlik is an open source project that takes a slightly different approach. Instead of turning Android into a desktop-style operating system, Shashlik aims to let you run Android apps as if they were native Linux apps". Don't laugh ---- this same code will work in the other direction as well. As Android becomes more "powerful" melding with it to produce the "best of all worlds" OS system will become a desirable thing. There is very much in Linux that is very worth while to preserve and to use for work type productivity stuff ..... and there are 10's of thousands of fun light stuff inside Android to plug in for free and use for a bit for some fun type stuff. I am reminded of the free to use metal detector app that is on my cell phone now -- damm useful for when I drop a small nut into the grass, now I can search it right on out again by waving my phone over the grass in two directions while watching the response blip. ;D Hey, remember this while Microsoft is all busy pissing everybody off and pricing themselves out the roof ...... go MS go !!! |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/09/16 at 13:33:14 http://www.tomshardware.com/news/canonical-ubuntu-core-convergence-mwc,31359.html Canonical Impresses With Ubuntu Core And Low-Power Mobile Devices http://media.bestofmicro.com/X/K/564968/gallery/canonical-ubuntu-mwc-smartphone-1_w_600.jpg OK, first of all this is being reported by a very old, respected and VERY MUCH mainstream PC test site, Tomshardware.com. This is not fluff, it is not propaganda and it is not "linux people", it is very much mainstream PC people reporting this stuff. Next, it is backed up with hands on use, going back to year 2013 with these same guys who have been owning the quoted equipment all along for the last five (5) years. Next, when Toms says MS is just brown vapor bullshitting people about "convergence" being their idea, then Tom's bloody well know the facts behind it. Just Some Old Smartphone Acting Like A PC "I was sufficiently impressed by the Aquaris M10 Ubuntu Edition tablet demo’s multitasking performance, but Collins had another surprise in store when we switched to the smartphone-as-PC demo. Thanks to Ubuntu Core, you can connect a smartphone to an external monitor, and the phone’s open applications will show up as windowed, desktop-looking apps. As with the tablet, you can’t get a dual-screen experience. However, Canonical cleverly found a way to use the smartphone’s touch display as an input device. The phone’s display is off, but in the video (above), you can see that you can use it to move the mouse cursor around just as you would on any laptop touchpad, and you can perform taps and a two-finger scroll. (When connected to an external display, the tablet offers the same.) Connect yourself a keyboard, and you’re all set with a hybrid laptop/desktop input experience and a PC-like environment on your monitor. However, it’s not as fluid as the tablet experience. There’s a small amount of mouse input lag, for example, and the apps didn’t seem to respond quite as readily as one would like. That would be more disappointing if the attached smartphone powering the experience was a high-end device, but effectively, they were using just some old smartphone. It was, in fact, a Nexus 4--a phone so old that you can’t even buy it anymore. I pressed Collins on the minimum required specs for this experience, and I seemed to have stumped him, as he didn’t have a ready answer. But then he made this point: Canonical hasn’t bothered to define minimum requirements because there are so few phones available that can’t run it. All a handset really needs, Collins said, is 2 GB of RAM. The rest is gravy." So, MS is/has been bullshitting the world about "convergence" because they don't really have it yet, Canonical has had it in the can for the past five years, and ANY modern phone has more than enough grunt to run it, but you really do need 2 gigs of memory. Next year's primo phones start coming out of the gate with up to six gigs of memory, so this is not an issue, really. Android N has just been announced to contain Windowing functionality. so MS had best pull its thumb out of its rectum and get to moving or MS will get all lapped all over yet again by everybody. http://liliputing.com/2016/03/google-releases-android-n-developer-preview.html |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/09/16 at 22:03:55 http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-microsoft-apple-where-does-the-money-come-from/ Microsoft is running a whole year late at this point in time on Win 10. Win 10 phone is just about a dead issue right now, and mainstream PC implementation is falling woefully short of the one billion desktops that were promised by mid year. Why is MS allowing this to happen? BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MATTER ANY MORE ..... http://zdnet2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2016/02/25/9a7158b6-1da2-4fb6-a499-c3c5c845e249/resize/770xauto/409d179d9b08c8b84781f62d84fd42e5/msft-revenue-1601.jpg Microsoft finds that Win 10 does not and never will contribute large dollars to the MS cash register, so resources are being shifted away from the efforts to other more profitable arms of the company. If this means you wait forever for drivers that work with your old hardware, tough. Some half-arsed generic drivers is all MS is ever going to give you after TRASHING your old vendor based drivers as "conflicting non-standard driver software". Why? MS keeps churning the code base for Win 10 --- it is never "done" enough for the old vendors to try to write any "fix it" drivers any more. They can't hit a moving target, in other words. By the time they write something, MS has moved out from underneath them again ..... Also, MS sees the phone/pc thing coming on strong now from both Android and Linux -- on top of Google's Chrome OS picking up even more market share ongoing. PC shipments will continue to decline 6-10% year on year, in other words ...... Win 10 has caused a LACK of new PC sales as the New PC pricing is all out of joint right now and the drivers mess has no end in sight as last night MS changed things yet again. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/09/16 at 22:21:49 For a limited time, Google will sell you a new Nexus 5p phone for $199 and hook you up to Google Fi for $30 a month, giving your back up to $10 for unused data each month. This is cheaper than Republic Wireless, and at a a much better service level too. sign up here: https://fi.google.com/signup?u=0 |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 03/10/16 at 04:35:29 As a google fan, I was looking into Fi also.... here is a review http://venturebeat.com/2015/12/28/google-project-fi-review/ The biggest worry I would have, is that I would purchase the phone for $200 and google go and cancel the program. (much like my google glass) I have four phones on my plan... i'm a crazy softy and let my sister in law and a friend who can't afford a phone ride on my plan. At current I spend right at $180 a month (taxes included).... for unlimited talk and text for all phones and 6 gig of data on mine. The wife and sister in law only have flip phones. My friend has an older (blackberry style) flat phone. I was hoping Google Fi would be the answer to my dilemma of large phone bills, but the initial investment on phones and the likely hood of folks going over a set data fee would put me right back at the same price I am paying now. Currently I am looking into getting the government phone for the sister in law (she is disabled) and for my buddy who really doesn't have a job other than his dog kennel (which loses money monthly) which sorta doubles as a dog shelter. If I can get them off the bill, the wife and I will look into something better than Verizon.... even if I have to do the old AARP cricket or whatever they call it now.... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/10/16 at 06:14:55 I am sticking with the $10 Republic Wireless Plan for the time being. I do not use my phone for phone calls for much, and I am inside wifi when I do use it so I need very little in the way of a phone plan for myself, personally. I have two phone bodies to use up now, I will keep my wife's old phone around as a backup. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/10/16 at 15:23:53 Got the new ($249 -- $49 extra for 32 gigs of "program holding memory") Nexus 5X in today and got it all set up for my wife -- her phone number has to port over now to complete the change up, plus adding and remembering all the passwords for each of the "executable" items like Netflix. The new phone has over four times as much processor, twice as much systems memory and 4 times as much local storage as her old phone had. It is quick and it makes very few mistakes when interpreting what you say to it. It is twice as much available "screen surface" (higher density plus more square inches of screen) and the contrast and color are better than before too. Phone overall is both thinner and lighter than before and yes my wife can hold it and do it with one little bitty sweetheart hand -- she is pleased with her new phone. And yes, her new phone will be "PC ready" when Android N and O each get out there in a year or two, or right about when her PC is finally killed off by MS. I daresay Jide will support her phone starting sometimes later on this year with their full bag of PC style tricks as the Nexus phones always get to go first. Ditto for Ubunu, Nexus phones are always supported first with any new Ubuntu stuff as well. You see, the Nexus 5x already has the required 2 gigs of fast "PC" systems memory already in it ....... along with the required industrial strength USB C connector. ;) And yes, Google Fi phones are swinging all three modes all the time -- wifi and both/each T-Mobile and Sprint 4G-LTE full speed tower service packages, doing 3 way full speed swapping between the three as you roll down the road. Whatever signal is stronger, for as long as it is the best. ;) http://media.bestofmicro.com/X/K/564968/gallery/canonical-ubuntu-mwc-smartphone-1_w_600.jpg |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/10/16 at 17:14:26 http://www.infoworld.com/article/3042155/microsoft-windows/windows-patch-kb-3139929-when-a-security-update-is-not-a-security-update.html Windows patch KB 3139929: When a security update is not a security update ??? http://pplware.sapo.pt/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/confused-100599406-primary.idge_thumb-1.jpg Microsoft buried a Get Windows 10 ad generator inside this month's Internet Explorer security patch for Windows 7 and 8.1 If Microsoft's documentation is correct, installing Patch Tuesday's KB 3139929 security update for Internet Explorer also installs a new Windows 10 ad-generating routine called KB 3146449. Many people -- present company included -- feel that putting an ad generator inside a security patch crosses way over the line. In fact, you have to ask yourself if there are any lines any more. I think MS has actually completely lost it a while back and is now floundering their way back towards pissing off all of corporate level IT all over the place by casually committing this level of Pure Bullshite in a way that is actually showing up now in the Corporate America KB traffic flow. Consequently getting caught and blown out of the water by the PC press corps yet again for doing really really stupid stuff ...... There is no hiding what MS is up to any more -- there is no possible feasible excuse to slap over this after the fact. ::) (kinda like trying to cover up the rust holes in the hull of a ship with a fresh coat of paint .....) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/11/16 at 18:35:42 http://liliputing.com/2016/03/ubuntu-versions-of-dell-xps-13-precision-laptops-now-available.html Dell is updating its “Project Sputnik” line of laptops which ship with Ubuntu Linux rather than Microsoft Windows software. http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/dell-xps-13-developer-edition.jpg These are premium programming workstations, not casual PCs. If you were hoping to save money by purchasing a laptop that doesn’t come with a Windows license, you should note that none of these options are cheap: The cheapest XPS 13 Developer Edition at the moment sells for $1550. What you get for that price is a thin and light 13 inch laptop with a Core i7 Skylake processor, 8GB of RAM, 256GB of solid state storage, and a 3200 x 1800 pixel touchscreen display. Dell also offers models with up top 16GB of RAM and up to 1TB of storage. All of Dell’s Linux notebooks currently ship with Ubuntu 14.04, which is the latest long-term-service release of the operating system. Eventually Dell plans to update to Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, which will be released in April. OK, business is NOT WANTING WINDOWS so much any more -- most real serious internet based programmers prefer Ubuntu now for their main machines. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 03/11/16 at 18:57:38 the little window showed up at work today. I told the IT guy... :o |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/13/16 at 06:48:46 Back to the Linux Mint hacking for a minute. AVG and AVAST both offered help to Mint structure a no-user-bother defensive set-up, as did a couple of commercial web page building firms -- all FOSS gratus of course. Mint has new options to follow at this point going forward. Ubuntu is taking a new look at security as well, as is the Mother of all Distros, Debian itself. Both have better security than Mint had at the time, but that may change soon. If Mint (and their helpers) comes up with something neat, they can feel free to copy it. PS ???? Somebody ???? went and wrecked the Bulgarians world for them, very very thoroughly, as a reminder to stay the frick away from good FOSS contributors in the future. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/15/16 at 08:45:46 http://kotaku.com/my-pc-upgraded-to-windows-10-without-asking-then-immed-1764756440 http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2450852/updategate-microsoft-is-reportedly-upgrading-pcs-to-windows-10-automatically http://venturebeat.com/2016/03/04/epics-tim-sweeney-questions-microsofts-commitment-to-an-open-windows-platform/ http://www.infoworld.com/article/3042155/microsoft-windows/windows-patch-kb-3139929-when-a-security-update-is-not-a-security-update.html THE BORG ARE COMING FOR YOU -- NOW, TONIGHT !!!! Microsoft's latest and greatest Fruck Up --- Auto-upgrading to Win10, killing off all old drivers that are "nonconforming" then failing to start back up when it auto-reboots itself because the MS "standard drivers" don't / won't work with the old hardware ...... Remember, even if your old hardware vendor still exists, he can't write a 'fix it" driver because MS keeps changing Win 10 every week ...... creating the "walled garden effect" MS is trying for. REMEMBER, you are either in the garden 100%, or else you are locked outside the garden by the operating system. Or simply deleted as part of the "non-conforming stuff" which is checked during every update, which takes place every single night ======================================= "the walled garden effect" explained in detail =================================== The devil is in the technical details, and Sweeney said he would be happy to be called a “paranoid conspiracy theorist.” Microsoft has created a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) with Windows 10, and it has launched new PC Windows features exclusively in UWP, and is “effectively telling developers you can use these Windows features only if you submit to the control of our locked-down UWP ecosystem,” Sweeney wrote. In our interview, Sweeney said that everyone has to be vigilant because Windows 10’s design “encroaches on user freedom more than any past version.” Sweeney believes Microsoft can extend that design to what it does with third-party applications like the kind that Epic, Electronic Arts, Activision Blizzard, Valve, and many other PC game and app developers make. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/16/16 at 07:13:06 MS "Closed Garden" proceeds along with HERE MAPS leaving MS completely ..... (stopped supporting Win 8.1 too) http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/15/11234462/here-maps-support-windows-phone-windows-10 Here maps has been a strong part of Microsoft's Windows Phone offering for years, but that's coming to an end later this month. Here is announcing today that it plans to pull its mapping apps for Windows 10 on March 29th, and "will limit the development of the apps for Windows Phone 8 to critical bug fixes." If you own one of the latest Lumia 950 handsets then Here maps will stop working after June 30th. If you're still on a Windows Phone 8.1 device then Here maps will keep working, unless you upgrade to Windows 10 Mobile once it's available in the coming weeks. "We made the Here apps compatible with Windows 10 by using a workaround that will no longer be effective after June 30, 2016," explains Here spokesperson Pino Bonetti. "To continue offering the HERE apps for Windows 10 would require us to redevelop the apps from the ground up, a scenario that led to the business decision to remove our apps from the Windows 10 store." http://mspoweruser.com/finally-admits-drops-windows-10-stops-wp8-1-development/ http://mspoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/gone.jpg After a long period of will she or wont she HERE has finally admitted that they are withdrawing from Windows Phone development. Posting on their blog they write: In the last few months, we made the HERE apps compatible with Windows 10 by using a workaround that will no longer be effective after June 30, 2016. To continue offering the HERE apps for Windows 10 would require us to redevelop the apps from the ground up, a scenario that led to the business decision to remove our apps from the Windows 10 store. This means the HERE apps will no longer work on devices running Windows 10 mobile after June 30, 2016. To prepare for this change, we have also decided to remove the HERE apps from the Windows 10 store on March 29, 2016. Windows Phone 8.1 users are not spared however. While the app will remain available for Windows Phone 8.1 users, HERE will no longer be updating the app or associated maps. HERE writes: HERE is deeply integrated in the Windows Phone 8 operating system. The HERE apps for Windows Phone 8 will continue to work for you without any disruption. However, we made the business decision to stop the development of new features. Additionally, the maps developed specifically for Windows Phone will not be updated. http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/16/11243974/microsoft-windows-10-maps-app-update Here Maps announced its plans to drop support for Windows Phone and Windows 10 yesterday. As the primary mapping service for Windows Phone, it leaves existing users with Microsoft's own lackluster maps app. Thankfully, Microsoft appears to be ready to improve its own maps situation. In a post on Reddit, a verified Microsoft employee identified as Dave_MSFT reveals that the company has an "exciting update" planned for the Windows 10 maps app. What does this mean for MS? First, MS Phone just got dumped by HERE MAPS because they killed off a key vendor's ability to put his stuff inside their walled garden. Second, they have to either make or buy a mapping app for Windows Phone, ASAP. Third, who really cares about Windows Phone anymore? So what if they don't have enough apps to fill out all the little square blocks on their start screen any more -- who cares? MS should care, a lot. If software vendors in general stop supporting the Windows 10 UNIVERSAL WINDOWS PLATFORM -- then it is all over for MS at that point in time. And this HAS ALREADY HAPPENED, wholesale, over in the Win 10 for phone Universal Application vendor platform base. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/16/16 at 07:51:01 http://liliputing.com/2016/03/meizu-pro-6-first-phone-mediatek-helio-x25-chip.html http://https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/TSLOLMyYliTSqY-fNjzAwqKeGKkPVghiV92FFaH5x5Ti9Hmopjr9xFqWbshv7OoKsdqA=s1145 Meizu Pro 6 to be first phone with a MediaTek Helio X25 chip In fact, Meizu had to have exclusive rights to the chip for at least a few months, which means you probably won’t be able to find any other phones with Helio X25 chips until this summer at the earliest. Meizu hasn’t officially launched the Meizu Pro 6 smartphone yet, but rumor has it that the processor will only be one of the phone’s special features. It’s also expected to feature 6GB of RAM, a dual-edge display, and maybe even a pressure-sensitive “Force Touch” screen. Back to the chip though, the Helio X25 will feature: 2 ARM Cortex-A72 CPU cores clocked at 2.5 GHz, 4 ARM Cortex-A53 CPU cores clocked at 2 GHz 4 ARM Cortex-A53 CPU cores clocked at 1.4 GHz ARM Mali-T800 series graphics clocked at 850 MHz LTE Cat 6/300 Mbps Pump Express 3.0 fast charging The key differences between the new chip and the old Helio X20 are that the older model had top speeds of 2.3 GHz for the Cortex-A72 cores and 780 MHz for the GPU. Qualcomm released the Samsung-built 820 chipset, which raised the bar slightly above the MediaTek X20 for graphics speed and raw processing power. It only took MediaTek 4 months to respond with a Qualcomm 820 beating chipset called the MediaTek X25 ..... And, when Android N comes out, do you think these sorts of phones with 6 gigs of systems memory will be able to run your built-in Android desktop software on those 10 fast CPU cores ???? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/16/16 at 14:01:58 Flip side time ..... why do you really need Windows 10? 1) Your work requires it, having absolutely locked in on MS OFFICE or Autocad, etc. in years past. 2) Your gaming requires it, you are hooked on PC Triple AAA titles and can't get loose. YOU can expect to be forced into buying a brand new Wintel rig inside the next 24 months if either of these two things is true. The "walled garden" lock in level you are about to see in HAS SIMPLY NEVER EXISTED AT THIS ABSOLUTE A LEVEL BEFORE. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/16/16 at 16:37:16 http://www.computerworld.com/article/3044518/microsoft-windows/users-seethe-as-windows-10-arrives-while-their-backs-are-turned.html http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2016/03/upgrade-to-windows-10-100650028-primary.idge.jpg People report that they weren't given a chance to decline, that their PCs were crippled, that they can't use their systems until they submit to Windows 10 "Some Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 users have begun to howl over Microsoft's practice of automatically upgrading their PCs to Windows 10, saying that they were never given a chance to decline the upgrade before it installed itself. That was contrary to how Microsoft has described its aggressive strategy of pushing Windows 10 to devices running older versions of its operating system. "Customers continue to be fully in control of their devices, and can choose to not install the Windows 10 upgrade or remove the upgrade from Windows Update (WU) by changing the WU settings," Microsoft said in an emailed statement. That's not what some users experienced last week. "My computer was working great last night [but] this morning it says, 'Microsoft Legal Agreement' with bunch of legal information and WAY at the bottom 'Accept your new Windows 10' or 'Decline,'" wrote a someone identified as scifixtion in a Friday post to Microsoft's support forum. "I hit Decline and it says, 'It will take a few moments to go back to your old Windows software,' [but] then it goes black and go[es] right back to [the] Microsoft legal agreement [and shows] 'Accept windows 10' or 'Decline.' I've hit Decline a dozen times and it won't budge." The legal agreement that scifixtion referenced was the Windows 10 end-user license agreement, or EULA. Others took to Reddit to report that their PCs were upgraded to Windows 10 while their backs were turned. "I leave my house for 2 days with my computer on, I come back and I have Windows 10. What. The. F***," said MalekuaMan yesterday on Reddit. "So my Windows 7 machine was upgraded to Windows 10 without my permission about 2 days ago," echoed rtn1797. "I downgraded [to Windows 7] but now there is a prompt that is continuously open and asking me to select a time for my Windows to update to 10. WTF?" Some said that the EULA -- where users were given a final opportunity to reject Windows 10, albeit a process that then took time to restore the previous operating system -- appeared out of nowhere. Others reported that their systems had upgraded themselves after they'd been away from the keyboard for days, or perhaps just hours. "This is happening to my desktop which runs [Windows] 8.1. A few days ago I came back from the shower to find my computer in the process of doing the upgrade by itself," said Heck_Tate on Monday. "I had to wait for the entire thing to coSome Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 users have begun to howl over Microsoft's practice of automatically upgrading their PCs to Windows 10, saying that they were never given a chance to decline the upgrade before it installed itself. That was contrary to how Microsoft has described its aggressive strategy of pushing Windows 10 to devices running older versions of its operating system.mplete, decline the EULA, and then wait for it to reinstall previous OS. It's now in the process of doing the exact same thing again and I'm about ready to just say f*** Windows and go with Linux." |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/16/16 at 16:40:13 https://boot13.com/windows/windows-7/microsoft-breaks-windows-update-to-get-you-to-upgrade-to-windows-10/ Microsoft breaking Windows 7 & 8 so you’ll upgrade to Windows 10 In the couple of months since the release of Windows 10, there have been plenty of reports of strange, unexpected, and unwanted behaviour on Windows 7 and 8.x computers. At least one high profile writer dismissed these reports, but recanted after witnessing the behaviour themselves. I ran into one such problem yesterday when I tried to install October’s Patch Tuesday updates on my Windows 7 computer. Although auto updates are disabled on that computer, I had previously decided to install all updates flagged as ‘Important’. The idea was to see what happened if I allowed Microsoft to push whatever they wanted to that computer, putting myself into the same situation as most typical users. The first thing I noticed was the ‘Get Windows 10’ icon that started appearing in the notification area. At the time, I provided instructions for uninstalling the update that caused this icon to appear, and did that myself as well. But the icon – and the update that enables it – kept appearing. Even ‘hiding’ the update (KB3035583) in Windows Update could not prevent the darned thing from reappearing. Fast forward to yesterday, and when I tried to install updates on that Windows 7 PC, I was able to check for updates, and see the pending updates, but there was no way to install them! Instead, all I could see was a panel urging me to upgrade to Windows 10 and a ‘Get Started’ button. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/17/16 at 12:16:47 http://mspoweruser.com/microsofts-windows-10-mobile-rollout-unfunny-joke/ This is not me saying this: it is MSPowerUser.com saying this. MS's own press corps is getting VERY FRUSTRATED with MS of late ..... yes indeedy. "Lets start with some dates. Windows 10 was announced in September 2014. Windows 10 for Phones was announced in January 2015. Windows 10 for PCs and tablets was released July 2015. Windows 10 Mobile was released on new devices November 2015. Its been over a year since Windows 10 Mobile was announced, and a bit under a year and a half since Windows 10 itself was announced. Right now it is March, 2016 .... yet Windows 10 Mobile has still not been released for pre-existing mobile phones, including devices like the Lumia 640 and 540 which Microsoft sold with an express promise to update to Windows 10 Mobile. The first major issue with this is perhaps the most obvious one. There have been no updates to mobile devices running Windows 8.1 to bring them up to Windows 10 Mobile. You may say “duh”, but this is indeed a problem. Microsoft has promised to update these devices to Windows 10 Mobile, they have made an express promise to release an update to all devices running Windows 8.1 (later whittled down to all devices with 8 GB and on Lumia Denim or equivalent) and they have failed to deliver. Let’s close our eyes and ignore the technical issue of whether Windows 10 Mobile is “ready” or not for now, that’s neither here nor there. The fact is, it has taken Microsoft over a year to deliver a promised update to its own mobile devices. Lest we forget, that update was used as a selling point of some Lumia devices and those Lumia devices have already received (comparatively inferior) successors. Sure one might conclude that perhaps Windows 8.1 remains a good experience for Windows phone users over 10 Mobile, and that is arguable. While Windows 10 Mobile is still full of rough edges and puzzling design decisions, Microsoft (and other ISVs) has refocused all its efforts on mobile Windows on Windows 10 Mobile. This means that things on Windows Phone 8.1 are liable to break at any moment and the only fix to be offered will be to update to Windows 10 for newer apps and bug fixes. As a further consequence of Microsoft focusing all of its efforts on Windows 10 Mobile, Windows 8.1 for phones has been neglected by Microsoft in terms of both app updates and feature updates. An app that demonstrably highlights this is Xbox Music – by Microsoft. Once a selling point of Windows Phone, this app quickly became a shadow of its former self in Windows 8.1 and was put on a bi-weekly update schedule. Microsoft eventually stopped updating the app and promised to focus on the Windows 10 version of the app. This means, that for over a year, the main music app/service for Windows 8.1 devices has gone untouched, and is fact still being called Xbox Music despite the fact that Microsoft renamed it as Groove over 9 months ago. Another example of how the Windows 8.1 experience has been diminished can be seen in the Windows store. If one were to open the Windows store on Windows 8.1 (PC/Phone ), several app listings now appear glitch or buggy either lacking hero images, or having bugged out app info. We initially reported this as a glitch with Microsoft’s ongoing merger with the PC and phone stores months ago, but the experience has yet to be fixed and is still broken till this day. Aside from that, many of Microsoft’s new apps and services launch on Windows 10 Mobile – if on Windows on phones at all. Windows Phone 8.1 is abandonware at this point, with just the Windows 10 update needing to bring it back to relevance. There’s also the issue of Microsoft’s carrier and manufacturer partners selling Windows 8.1 phones with promised updates to Windows 10 Mobile in the near future. Blu and Yezz were Microsoft’s partners with Windows 8.1 phones in the past, now these companies are nowhere to be seen with Windows 10 phones, despite having Android phones on the market. Many of their previous phones will not receive the Windows 10 update due to Microsoft dragging their feet and making it financially unviable to do so. Surely it is clear that the process of making and releasing a new update – especially one that unifies operating systems – is no small task. But Microsoft has done it before, and not just Microsoft. Apple and Google have also gone through 2 iterations of their flagship mobile OSes (with insider previews/public betas natch) while Microsoft has been struggling with producing and releasing just one. We can discuss in circles all day about whether Microsoft bit off more than they could chew, whether Windows 10 Mobile is a million times more complex than any other mobile operating system which has come before, and whether I’m being unfair. However, I’m not looking at the intent nor am I looking at the effort, I’m taking a look at results and so far, we have nothing worth writing home about aside from promises of this and that feature coming soon. Even if Microsoft releases Windows 10 Mobile today, then Windows Phone 8.1 are simply shuttled from one partially broken system to another." NOW HEAR THIS ----- MS IS SUPPOSED TO BE SHIPPING A PHONE OS BUILD OF WIN 10 FOR ONLY 22 SELECT MODELS OUT OVER THE AIRWAVES TODAY. Curious minds want to try to keep count of all the bricked phones of all the other people with OTHER phones which get this update accidentally (since MS has shown it has no clue how to control or limit upgrades by recognizing which phone model yours actually is) BTW ...... MS never took care of all those BLU phones they scrapped out early on. Anybody want to volunteer for this round of MS Beta Testing? If not, then turn your phone off for the next couple of days (or until the screaming stops). :-/ BREAKING NEWS: Update disaster beginning to unfold --- MS Recommends Caution Phones eligible for the upgrade include: Lumia 430, 435, 532, 535, 540, 635 1GB, 636 1GB, 638 1GB, 640, 64) XL, 730, 735, 830, 930, 1520 BLU Win HD W510u and Win HD LTE x150q MCJ Madosma Q501 :P Microsoft recommends downloading the Update Advisor app and running it on your phone before deciding whether to install Windows 10 on any older phone. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/17/16 at 12:52:50 http://betanews.com/2016/02/02/microsoft-forcing-windows-10-onto-people-is-wrong/ http://betanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Angry-PC-user-900x600.jpg Beta News says that Microsoft forcing Windows 10 onto people is wrong "People allow Microsoft to install recommended updates because they trust the company to keep their PCs safe by installing bug and security fixes automatically. They don’t -- and rightly so -- expect the software giant to download a massive 3.5GB+ file in the background and then attempt to change the operating system they use -- the operating system they paid good money for -- into something entirely different. Sure you can cancel the upgrade when it starts, but if a user is in the middle of an important task, and they see a popup announcing something is happening with their PC, there’s a good chance they’ll just click OK and then find themselves waiting for an installation they didn’t actually want to complete before they can go back to whatever it was they were doing, except in a different operating system. Forcing Windows 10 on to people like this is frankly despicable behavior. Just because Microsoft has made Windows 10 free doesn’t excuse it. This is not an incremental change -- like when Apple updates iOS -- the difference between Windows 7 and Windows 10 is huge, and not all of the changes are for the better. Enjoying using Media Center? Yeah, we've taken it away. Imagine if other companies behaved like that? If Amazon decided to swap the book you chose and paid for, for another book without your say so. "It’s new, it’s free!" Yes, but it’s also not the book I wanted or bought." Yeah, and the graphics driver that makes your screen go just got deleted because MS didn't create them and your screen just crapped out on you big time, and you audio driver just pooped on you as well. Same reason -- "unapproved software and drivers" -- deleted. Heck, around 5-10% of the oldest machines won't even be able to restart at the end of this Win 10 fiasco "upgrade". :-[ |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/17/16 at 14:31:44 Yup, and MS is failing miserably on their "1 billion PCs" thing, failing miserably. 12.82% of all machines isn't racking up to be their "1 billion PCs" any time soon, if ever. What is especially bad is that if they continue to force it with the drivers situation being the way it actually is right now, then MS will actually break more Win 7 machines totally and irrevocably than have ever been sold as new brand Win 10 machines ---- period. How's that for a statistic? TOTAL MARKET SHARE Market Share of Windows 7 Windows 7 52.34% Market Share of Windows 10 Windows 10 12.82% Market Share of Windows XP Windows XP 11.24% Market Share of Windows 8.1 Windows 8.1 9.83% Market Share of Mac OS X 10.11 OS X 10.11 3.72% Market Share of Windows 8 Windows 8 2.43% Market Share of Mac OS X 10.10 OS X 10.10 2.20% Market Share of Linux Linux 1.78% Market Share of Windows Vista Windows Vista 1.66% Market Share of Mac OS X 10.9 Mac OS X 10.9 0.87% Market Share of Mac OS X 10.6 Mac OS X 10.6 0.34% Market Share of Mac OS X 10.8 Mac OS X 10.8 0.28% Market Share of Mac OS X 10.7 Mac OS X 10.7 0.28% Market Share of Windows NT Windows NT 0.12% Market Share of Mac OS X 10.5 Mac OS X 10.5 0.05% Market Share of Mac OS X 10.4 Mac OS X 10.4 0.02% Market Share of Windows 2000 Windows 2000 0.01% Market Share of Windows 98 Windows 98 0.01% Somewhere between 8% and 10% of Windows 7 users hit relatively major "unrecoverable" drivers errors --- errors where MS's approved generic drivers simply do not get the job done well enough but it will allow the machine to boot. A smaller percentage 1-3% have drivers issues that will not reboot after installation --- if these folks are quick they can roll back right then but will find that they KEEP the new Win 10 generic drivers as that is all that is approved by the drivers checking functions MS has created and installed automatically (that check your divers every time you update anything). :-[ The "drivers mess" is what actually builds the walls of the walled garden effect, you are either inside the garden and FIRMLY AGREE to be totally controlled by MS, or you are locked outside of the garden walls and your machine will die from multiple drivers issues soon enough. People are awaiting for very the first human death to take place due to this shite, as MS runs heart / lung and dialysis machines all over the place. Mebbe not death related, but banking and Wall Street run on machines that may drop like flies due to "upgrade" issues. MS is cruising for a massive bruising soon enough ...... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/18/16 at 07:55:29 http://liliputing.com/2016/03/motorolas-rick-osterloh-steps-amid-lenovo-restructuring.html http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/moto-x-pure-back.jpg Motorola’s Rick Osterloh steps down amid Lenovo restructuring Rick Osterloh has been president and chief operating officer of Motorola Mobility since Lenovo acquired the company in 2014, and he was a vice president at the company before that. Now Osterloh is stepping down as Lenovo reorganizes its PC, data center, and mobile businesses. Motorola does not exist any more -- it is just a Lenovo brand name to be pasted on to various Lenovo phones that do not have the old Google/Motorola goodness inside them any longer. Buyer Beware !!!! |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/18/16 at 19:48:08 http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/10/06/microsofts-retail-store-chain-flounders-in-stark-contrast-to-busy-apple-stores A picture is worth 1000 words ....... two Microsofts sandwiching an Apple http://photos.appleinsidercdn.com/gallery/14503-10105-Microsoft-Store-Chicago-l.jpg http://photos.appleinsidercdn.com/gallery/14503-10101-IMG_5825-l.jpg http://photos.appleinsidercdn.com/gallery/14503-10103-IMG_5820-l.jpg Hasn't MS figured out they can't sell their substandard functioning stuff way up there at Apple prices? No-one is up for paying more at the MS store when the local Best Buy sells it for far less every day of the week........ and if you can wait 6 months Best Buy will have it on "dump off" fire sale pricing too. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/20/16 at 18:04:29 I mentioned that my Catalyst Radeon drivers for my AMD video card got deleted off my machine, care of MS's midnight "upgrade" BS a while back. Getting them back on the machine so they would STAY was tougher than you would think -- involved a long series of Linux terminal scripts that put the stuff back in a way MS can't touch it because it isn't a driver any more, it is discrete OS instructions on how to boot the machine. It still isn't as complete or as nice as the AMD Catalyst driver for Radeon cards used to be -- you could adjust anything inside that Catalyst driver, anything you wanted so a game would look good and perform well. I miss my Catalyst driver, I do. MS, your BS isn't appreciated -- go flog yourself. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/20/16 at 18:35:25 YEAH, (Sneering, menacingly) What he said. Nyeahh..like that, you bums. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 03/20/16 at 19:05:40 A couple of funny things from Computer Illiteracy Inc, The other day I tried to print some stuff in B/W and the printer was telling me to consult the handbook as there was an issue with the colour cartridge, I removed the colour cartridge, did my printing and put the colour cartridge back in. I then printed a picture in colour with no issues, and no demand to align the cartridges. The same thing has happened twice although I've yet to print in colour again. Like most people I get MP4 thingys attached to emails, every time I go to open one a window pops up asking if I want Windows Media player to be the default player. I thought it already was, I brought my current Win 7 computer in 2010 and have never had this issue. I have stopped watch MP4 thingys as I'm wondering if these requests about media player are an excuse to shovel Win 10 in through some side door, because I turn any request to get Windows 10 off as soon as they appear. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/21/16 at 19:50:00 http://liliputing.com/2016/03/android-ns-experimental-freeform-window-mode-turns-android-dekstop-style-os.html Google advances multi-window in Android O to full free floating adjustable windows. It is slow, but it is getting there by Android N most likely. Until then, just use Jide Remix OS for free if you want an Android PC. Android as a phone/PC is coming on slowly as well -- needs widespread use of type C connector for the higher required power exchanges and it needs at least 2 megs of systems memory. =========================================== So much for Android as an OS making slow but visible steady progress -- How About Microsoft? To do the MS Phone/PC Convergence you have to be running Windows 10 on your CAREFULLY SELECTED phone and spend $179 extra for a "conversion module" and then you can only run Special Apps called Universal "conversion" apps, which are few and far between. http://www.thebitbag.com/microsoft-windows-10-upgrade-will-not-be-available-for-all/141896 Microsoft Lied; Not All Windows Phones Will Get Windows 10 OS Upgrade Microsoft previously promised Windows 10 for all Windows smartphone users, but now the company is apparently not going to deliver on its promise, which has made Windows phone users angry. A recent tweet by AdDuplex Founder and CEO Alan Mendelevich states that nearly 50 percent of Windows smartphones will not be getting the Windows 10 Mobile upgrade anytime soon. The interesting thing about the AdDuplex report is that the company reportedly took into account the number of active Windows phone users when it mentioned the 50 percent. Microsoft initially said that the company will try to reach more smartphones with Windows 10, but if the AdDuplex report is something to go by, many handsets will not receive the latest Windows version anytime soon. Balancing it all out -- Jide Remix OS for your phone/PC is available for free, or comes with a puck like device (CPU and GPU COMPLETE) for $79. It runs on any phone with a modern 64 bit Android processor and if the phone packs two gigs of systems memory and a full power type C connector. Jide has 2 other competitors now, plus Android is blending the tricks into Android over the next few releases. Google is not hurrying, because MS is making a right mess out of Windows 10 on phones right now, so there is no competition to make them speed up any at all. Ubuntu is out now, both on a phone and a tablet that can do the Convergence trick (and Ubuntu has been able to do it for 5 years now). Most mid-to-upper primo range Android phones and all of the current Nexus phones are plenty strong enough now to dock it and show a big screen. Samsung is now building 6 gig pop-on-top memory packages that can co-mount with most of the popular ARM processors, and when Mediatek does this 6 gig pop-on-top memory trick with their deca-cores they will have some LOWER COST powerful phones out next year fully able to do all the same tricks. ========================================== So far in first quarter of 2016 nothing has changed much in the sales figures -- Chromebooks still sell well, Apple and Microsoft are not selling very much that isn't their very top end product. Google is limp right now, they have Chromebooks that people are liking more and more and are finding that Chromebook's stronger popularity are stoppering some of their Android efforts to combine the two types of devices. Google does not wish to seem to be beating up on MS while MS is all embedded in messing themselves up right and left and up and down like they have been doing for the last year. Google feels that MS is bleeding enough market share (4-5% currently) their way without Google doing anything much to promote it. Apple is losing some market share as well -- and seems to intend to do nothing much about it since Apple is all tangled up fighting with the FBI right now about hacking terrorists phones. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 03/21/16 at 20:20:46 Just seen on the news that yet another "smart phone" blew up on an aircraft in flight. 8" flames! no doubt :o :o Had to have the aircrew put it out with an extinguisher! Guess how long it will be until we can't take our phones with us? Gonna have to lock them up in an explosion proof locker as we board the aircraft. >:( :-? :P |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/23/16 at 01:34:47 It was a primo quality I Phone ..... not some cheap thing. Lithium alloy batteries do some strange things sometimes -- some are chemical in nature and some seem to be more mysterious and more powerful little sorts of events. 8" momentary flames = chemical melting through the hull and down into the concrete = mysterious & more powerful than chemical. Lithium Ion batteries contain some of the stuff that could possibly go LENR under weird circumstances, but the events are very very far between. People look askance at Lithium ion batteries in phones and tablets and laptops -- what will they think when a Tesla CAR BATTERY goes up on them? Or, heaven forbid, a home Powerwall installation? Remember, a Tesla mega-battery uses laptop "widely produced" standard generic lithium ion cells, all stacked up together ...... Even a "chemical only" event on one of those stacks would be pretty powerful and would ruin a car or a home. Things that get shorted or severely loaded happen to blow up most often (think of those power tool batteries and those skate board things that cooked off fairly regularly in years past) This is all pretty new science after all. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/26/16 at 03:50:55 https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=mud%20sticks%20microsoft%20windows%2010 Mud sticks: Microsoft, Windows 10 and reputational damage It is an entire PAGE after PAGE of nothing but folks agreeing that MS has destroyed its reputation fairly completely at this point in time, that they have CONSISTENTLY LIED TO and invaded and coerced their customer base and MS WILL NEVER RECOVER from what they have done to themselves. Most of these are forum sites, please do read some of the comment streams from the PRO-Windows sites -- they aren't exactly happy with MS right now either. "But it is free" cuts no ice -- MS is plastered all over with icky stinky mud of its own making. Biggest outrage comes from IT pro sites where they are COMPLETELY HACKED OFF that they pay big big bucks to control what happens inside their business and now MS is sticking GET WIN 10 pop ups and game ads into THEIR world ???? "But it is free" does not apply to these guys, they spend 10's of thousands of dollars per year and they are getting crapped on now, too. Note please that the original writer of this article has put their finger on a very sore nerve that resonated strongly, very strongly with the rest of the world. Can you say "turning point"? MS saying they will give you $200 if your computer breaks in the upgrade (credit applied in the overpriced MS store, so it doesn't mean much since the machines cost $300 more than ordinary suppliers would charge on sale) isn't changing their image problem any at all -- it simply admits that MS Win 10 is expected to perhaps break your machine simply because the MS drivers are crap and MS knows this. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/26/16 at 04:40:44 http://chromebookvswindows.com/ You can remember when I originally showed you this it was just an angry elementary school teacher having her say about MS lying about Chromebooks. Well, it grew up some. Notice that people now feel perfectly justified in saying "MS lied ....." This is not rude or abusive, it is just simply the case. MS will lie to you, routinely. By misdirection, FUD or outright lying -- it doesn't matter any more. MS's reputation is all set in stone now -- liars. What MS did with selling off all the big inventory of Win 8.1 MS Phones on the promise of "Win 10 upgrade is coming next year" is just plain outright lying out the ass, and folks realize that now. Win 10 is never coming to those phones and MS has cut off all support for Win 8.1 Mobile OS. You were lied to to get you to buy a cut off, years old obsoleted phone product directly from MS ...... Feel used any, huh? See, I can say the magic words -- can you ? MS lies out the ass. "We will fix any BLU phone damaged in the Beta program" Yep, right out the ass. How about this one? "Win 10 will never be forced upon you." |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/30/16 at 12:19:56 http://liliputing.com/2016/03/some-native-ubuntu-apps-coming-to-windows-10-for-developers.html And the worm, she turns ..... Ubuntu will be able to run on Win 10 off of Linux ready binaries and libraries that Supposedly. What Does This Mean ????? Since MS announced it as a big deal at their builders conference today WHO THE FRICK KNOWS ???? MS has been flat assed told by the developers at that conference that nobody in the development world wants to use their tools, or compile what they are creating on their MS software as a programming guys machine. To programmers, Win 10 sux with no relief in sight --- they use Ubuntu mostly as it is reliable and does not change every other night around "o" dark thirty. This has driven MS nuts --- so they are attempting to allow programmers to run Ubuntu "natively" on a Win 10 machine by compiling all the programming tools using fake Linux windows calls. Sounds like a built to be buggy mess, huh? I don't think MS listened to a word the boys had to say. Canonical hasn't said anything, so it may all be a very one sided MS wet dream at this stage of things. HOWEVER, Canonical --- ALWAYS remember what happens to those who get into bed with MS (even accidentally) ..... they get screwed over and bankrupted. And their software gets appropriated ..... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/31/16 at 11:43:41 More clarity ---- MS wants to put a BASH editor into Windows 10. So programmers can feel like they can use Windows 10 as a Ubuntu Linux programming machine. Uh, it goes a long way past BASH, boys, programmers in masse don't trust your software to even BE the same software next week, much less to compile their code correctly both this week and next week. MS has bumped into pure programmer's preference, and it is NOT FOR THEM. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/01/16 at 13:06:46 Windows 10 just had a programmers conference in which they announced they would give programmers what they want (sorta) by giving them BASH running on a Win 10 machine using hacked together linux like Windows stuff. Big yawn ---- nobody seems impressed except the MS fanboys ...... What did come out of the conference was a complete LACK OF MENTION OF WIN 10 PHONE and no signs of any resources working on it. What is now coming out are polls and such asking about "Android phones" that come from MS ..... expensive phones with Win 10 like features in the Android mix. This is not new --- two years ago Wall Street told MS to fork Android and put their stuff in it and sell it for $$$$. Now that Win 10 Phone has just about quit kicking looks like MS will have to do just that. Where does this leave Intel? Well, since Win 10 phone isn't doing well and MS has jumped ship from Intel to Qualcomm on Windows phones anyway it sorta leaves Intel as the "outside dog" until they can invent some sort of desirable mobile world type chipset. Outside dog is the one left out in the rainy drizzly cold, scratching at the glass and whining to be let into the house. Ubuntu -- pay attention to what happened to IBM, Apple, Intel, Rockchip, and Qualcomm -- YOU are next. That super king sized bed is smelly, sticky, lumpy and has little buggy critters living in it. MS wants something from you ..... once they crappity smack you long enough and hard enough to get it away from you then you join Intel and Rockchip, scratching at the glass & shivering out in the cold. "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" Remember that famous MS mantra for their software business attack plan when coming up against a better programming technology ??? You do have a memory, right ???? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/02/16 at 04:54:25 Why is MS duplicating all of Linux using ONLY their own stuff? GPL v2 (Linux license) says that if they use just one line of Linux code the entire MS system becomes open source. And FOSS/Linux means it. And they have already GPL'd entire chunks of MS server software because of it. Because of this agreement reached with Ubuntu, MS must give over the source code of Win 10 to be examined periodically for infractions. It might not be Ubuntu/Debian that gets extinguished. BTW, the Debian folks are flat outraged that Ubuntu is making any sort of MS agreements over using their downstream code --- Ubuntu may die by being cut off at the roots by Debian. Linux Mint has a Debian direct based distro (complete with sharing agreements) already existing, so they are not affected by the death of Ubuntu, should it actually happen. Mark Shuttleworth is rumored to be tired of running an endless "yearly loss program" that has exceeded his original 10 million dollars grant amount years ago -- he is being slowly sucked dry by Ubuntu so anything that ends the pain may be good to him. He might / could be willing to sell out Ubuntu, in other words. General consensus of FOSS folks is that yes, Shuttleworth can sell out and go for another vacation in space, just so he arranges to stay there .... no one on Earth would want him back again. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/05/16 at 02:16:19 Let's do a flip side look at the MS Ubuntu situation. Ubuntu's proclaimed Bug #1 was that MS was the #1 OS system and Linux was not. Worm has turned a bit, and MS wants Ubuntu to run on their OS just like any other program, because all programmers PREFER Ubuntu over Win 10. Is this a victory on the Bug #1 issue? Perhaps. Of sorts. People really don't care that much about OS systems any more, really. Or is it simply an "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" move on MS's part? Wrassle with 'ol Shuttleworth on the big bed until they get what they want out of him, then put him outside the sliding door out in the cold with all the others. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/16 at 02:51:46 https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-starts-mass-producing-industrys-first-10-nanometer-class-dram http://https://img.global.news.samsung.com/global/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/D-RAM-Group_002_Front_Green_706.jpg Samsung Starts Mass Producing Industry’s First 10-Nanometer Class DRAM Samsung has working 10nm production equipment and is ready to start selling 10nm stuff this summer. Don't look for it to come out fast -- 10nm runs at less voltage and unless folks are going to run the rest of the board at 5v some background work needs to happen on the other component sets. Takes 4 passes on the lithography to make it work right now .... and that makes it pricey. Some other news, both AMD and Nvidia are both selling 14nm video cards at this point in time. Expensive seems to be the byword on all this new FinFet stuff. Scrap rates are high and extra passes are needed on the lithography to make this new stuff. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/09/16 at 05:12:37 http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/axess_01.jpg http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/xess_11.jpg I won't call them a PC, but the Oriental Folks are really digging the new windowing Androids that are out there right now doing some PC like duty. This one comes in Phoenix OS and straight Android flavors right now, with Remix OS as a Play Store option. Google is supporting this with tools and built in hooks that allow it to happen -- letting the market place drive it is smart as the market will take it where it needs to go quicker and better than Google as a single player could do. What really is neat is this is a standard Mediatek octa core processor and two gigs of ram, 32 gigs of system memory and a 9,000 mAh battery --- this could be very affordable portable system, in other words. Right now it is selling in at a premium price tag as it is the first of the flock. Think of it as a portable TV / entertainment center that can do .... work ..... if you use a cordless mouse and keyboard. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 04/11/16 at 06:57:47 So I rarely check my inbox for my Microsoft outlook mail anymore.... well with win10 I get a "preview" of stuff in an "ap" block whenever I log into the laptop. One of the emails popped out at me this morning, and its a week old! LOL... It seems the win 10 crew is still doing "builds", and as I was an "insider" I received updates on the newest developers conference concerning a new build that I could possibly reset my machine from "zero" and reload the newest win 10 build number..... And me being the type of "curious beat me senseless geek" I am actually thinking of just backing up my machine and rebooting it with this new "fresh" win 10 build. I just hate having to reload all my Microsoft windows games, especially World of Warcraft, as it takes a few hours, and all the steam games take a couple hours too.... I still have my rca tablet to get on the web with and get my daily fix and answer, check and delete all my mails....sooooo.... I'll have to think hard about it today and maybe, just maybe do it tomorrow.... Yeah, I know.... DON"T OPEN THE DOOR!!!..... well, if no one opened the door you wouldn't get to see the guy get cut up with the chainsaw! :) ;D ;D ;D :D |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 04/11/16 at 07:37:53 Coming soon to a CPU near you: Bill gets chainsawed by the undead Bill Gates ;D |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/13/16 at 02:59:45 Well, I don't know about being bushwhacked by chainsaws, but the PC shipment numbers are out with some record sales declines for this past quarter. Win 10 is not raising sales any whatsoever. However, some argument for the reverse may indeed be made, however. The PC life boat is still taking on water despite MS's best frantic attempts to bail out the boat ..... Top 5 Vendors, Worldwide PC Shipments, First Quarter 2016 (Preliminary) (Shipments are in thousands of units) is down 11.5 % quarter on quarter to last year. http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS41176916 http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/3280626 Reminder, these are world wide numbers we are talking about. As always, Gartner and IDC track each other fairly closely even though they come at it from different sources and count different items. What is scary is the little guys are leaving the market completely to the tune of 18-20% decline to this time last year. This was one of the big strengths of the old PC market, all the little guys selling stuff right and left -- they are shrinking to just about gone now. The 10% constant shrinkage means simply this -- after 5 years of it you should have about half as many PCs as you used to have, especially in growing markets that do not have layers of them sitting abandoned in closets and basements like so many Americans do. What is making up the gap in actual use, since internet use is way way up world-wide? Phones -- most internet traffic takes place on phones now, especially in emerging markets. I pick phones that can display and do all my stuff, and since Android's voice stuff got good I can make a post verbally and correct it faster than I can type it out. I do most of my looking on a phone now -- only do ornate posts on PC as it is still easier to move a photo and such like. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 04/14/16 at 12:58:45 Yup, phones and tablets are taking the market over now. You will see a lot of the tablet market with the detachable keyboards taking over the light office work also, it only makes sense to be able to take your work home with you when you cannot finish your deadline at work. Memory sticks getting smaller and with more capacity and less heat will improve phones and tablets even more. I went to a friends two weeks ago to help him hook his tablet up to his 45" TV to watch some amazon video's. All we had to do was get him a mini-hdmi to regular hdmi connector (he got the 12 foot cord) and put the tv selector to the proper hdmi port and BANG! we were watching the last marvel movie... he was very happy that he could just use his modem for internet connection and still use his big screen TV to watch shows via amazon. I also took over a small "digital" antenna..... so he could pick up a couple local air wave digital channels, we only got 3 but he was happy with that. If he had a "smart" TV like I do, he could just use amazon straight off the internet connection, as my TV uses Wi-Fi and direct connection to the modem via the R45 (?) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/14/16 at 18:18:22 of http://liliputing.com/2016/04/intel-5-million-entry-level-cloudbook-laptops-sold-date-next-gen-feature-apollo-lake-chips.html Intel: 5 million entry-level “Cloudbook” laptops sold to date, next-gen to feature Apollo Lake chips http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/acb_00.jpg Acer may be the only company that actually has a laptop called the Cloudbook. But Intel is using the term to describe a whole category of low-cost, low-power Windows laptops that sell for between $169 and $269. And Intel says since the category was introduced in 2014, over 5 million units have been shipped. Basically, cloudbooks are Chromebook-like notebooks with entry-level specs and price tags, but with Windows software instead of Google Chrome. Another way to think of them might be as the evolution of the netbook… but while netbooks typically had screen sizes ranging from 7 to 10 inches, most cloudbooks have screens between 11.6 and 14 inches. Wow, real sales figures on the Chromebook Killers finally coming out from Wintel, finally leaking out from the Intel side of things ...... "over 5 million shipped over 2.5 years of time" -- Wow, that's really pitiful -- that they only sold 2 million units world-wide per year on average. No wonder they kept the sales numbers a deep deep dark secret for so long. Compare that please to 6m, 7m and 8m of Chromebook sales (source: Statistica) from the same time period. Plus throw in the huge sales figures for Chromebooks coming out of the education sector (?? 20-23 million in the same period) That's 5 million in 2.5 years for Wintel Chrome killers vs 41 million in total for Chromebooks -- I think the Chromebooks were the ones that did all the killing at 8.2x more sales. And that is AFTER Microsoft did their loss leader pricing on the Chrome killers the first 2 years which DID NOT really get them down to be price competitive and the new Win 10 OS system DID NOT ever make them speed and feature/function competitive either. Now the new Android/Chromebook fusion OS is coming soon to this same feature set price range swinging touch screens and other mobile features along with the traditional resizeable window motif that will make the new fusion product even more functional for work type uses. These will be tablet / keyboard units and very thin laptop units swinging everybody's current most powerful phone chipsets and some will be built with the new class of Intel "Apollo Lake" chipsets (still stinky brown and completely vapor based at this point in time). These units may be set up to use mobile connect as well as wifi connect as both mobile tower tech and wifi tech is already built into all the phone-based Mediatek and Allwinner chipsets already. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 04/14/16 at 21:18:41 Like I stated a few years back, it will soon be an "all in one" unit for the house as my tv can do internet search using its installed web connector. I'm not sure everything my smart TV can do exactly, I've never used it to search the net, perhaps since Cox has gone all digital with my connection i'll play around with it a bit. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/16/16 at 06:29:33 http://liliputing.com/2016/04/hp-building-new-chromebook-16gb-ram-not-google.html http://www.chromestory.com/2016/01/hp-plans-to-bring-virtual-reality-to-chromebooks/ You can often find hints about upcoming Chromebooks and other Chrome OS devices by scanning the Chromium OS source code commits and discussions. And a few weeks ago we started to see hints that a new model with 16GB of RAM and an Intel Skylake processor was on the way. Maybe it’s not surprising that a lot of people assumed it would be a next-gen Google Chromebook Pixel, since Google is one of the few companies that offers Chromebooks with high-end specs. But it looks like this particular model is actually being built by HP. HP Plans to Bring Virtual Reality to Chromebooks Virtual Reality and web. Web and Chromebooks. That’s what HP is aspiring to do. They are currently experimenting with VR on Windows 10 computers. The plan is to expand to Chrome OS. HP wants to add “blended reality” features—including VR and 3D printing—to laptops and desktops running the Chrome OS and operating systems other than Windows, the report says. HP is pretty much OS agnostic -- they throw them all out and see which ones stick to the wall. It is interesting that a Chrome based VR system will only take half as much memory as a Win 10 VR system will demand to do the same job ...... And if you think Win 7 was fat and porky and slow --- wait until you see next year's Win 10 for Enterprise waddle into view. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/17/16 at 06:01:00 http://liliputing.com/2016/04/microsoft-just-confirm-unannounced-qualcomm-snapdragon-830-chip.html http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/snapdragon-logo.jpg About all we know for certain right now is that there’s a new chip on the way, and that Microsoft plans to support it. But older rumors suggest that the Snapdragon 830 processor will be a 10nm chip with support for up to 8GB of RAM, and that the chip should be available in 2017. There’s also at least one report that claims Microsoft may use the Snapdragon 830 chip in its upcoming Surface Phone or a future Lumia handset. :-/ Why is this important? Samsung and Apple and Qualcomm have all lapped Intel on the road to 10nm as Samsung, Apple and Qualcomm ARE ALREADY THERE THIS YEAR and Intel is still talking 2018 before they get there. This is bad, very bad for Intel -- it means they have lost all pretense at chip building technical leadership at this point in time -- Wall Street will now lower their stock price accordingly in the very near future. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/17/16 at 06:12:40 http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2016/04/intel_planning_for_thousands_o_1.html Intel planning for thousands of job cuts, internal memo sources say http://image.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width960/img/oregonian/photo/2015/05/31/-042a10967caeb2f1.JPG Intel is preparing a significant round of job cuts across business units this spring, according to multiple sources inside the company familiar with its plans. The cutbacks will reduce employment in some parts of the business by double-digit percentages, according to Intel insiders, amounting to thousands of job cuts across the company by the end of the year. The planned downsizing could begin soon after Intel reports its first-quarter financial results Tuesday. Sources indicate this year's cutbacks will be considerably larger than layoffs last year, when Intel eliminated more than 1,100 U.S. jobs after anticipated sales growth failed to materialize. The pending cuts are part of a rapidly unfolding reorganization at Intel, accompanied by a major overhaul within Intel's executive ranks. Former president Renée James left last year, replaced by Venkata "Murthy" Renduchintala, who was hired last year from rival chipmaker Qualcomm. And Intel announced last week that two top vice presidents who reported to Renduchintala are leaving. Sources inside the company say the roles of other top executives are also in flux. Last week, Renduchintala sent senior management a memo outlining a new plan for developing key products to address a "competitiveness gap" in Intel's technology. Intel is facing other issues beyond lagging PC sales, highlighted by the increasing complexity of of the technology inside computer chips. As feature sizes shrink and chip designs grow more sophisticated, Intel has found it more expensive and time consuming to engineer and manufacture each new generation of microprocessor technology. As a result, Intel is slowing the cadence at which it rolls out new generations of chip technology. That erodes the competitive advantage Intel has long enjoyed over rival chipmakers and puts new cost pressures on the company. Additionally, sources inside the company say Intel may be looking to consolidate some operations and close some smaller outposts after a series of acquisitions, notably last year's $16.7 billion takeover of programmable chipmaker Altera. Job cuts could be a way to address those pressures and protect Intel's profit margins as the company retools for new generations of technology. Can you say "I've been overcome by events and I no longer lead my industry in anything except brown vapor stinky smoke production and consistent very high prices." |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/17/16 at 06:55:32 Intel has decided to skip 10nm and to put all its spare change into a push for a 7nm non-silicone chip making process that can skirt around IBM/Samsung/Globalfoundries Consortium's 7nm processes and 7nm granted patents and already running 7nm prototype line. Late to the party again, I see .... but likely it is smart for Intel to decide to take a pass on 10nm silicon as that would likely just magnify your existing 14nm issues (and throw you yet further underneath the bus). http://image.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width960/img/oregonian/photo/2015/05/31/-2d73f72eb45f87ba.JPG This is Intel's D1X "great white hope" building --- where their 7nm non-silicon competitive future will come from -- or not, as the case may be. ::) Remember, Intel is HUGE, so big it would take them 10 years to very slowly die if they didn't do anything at all about their "technology gap"now that they are willing to say they've actually got one. Intel is now importing upper management from Qualcomm right and left and that new mobile-talented management is displacing the "old cronies" running development and sales (who then go off to early retirement) and is putting in new technology leadership from the mobile world right and left. Intel has torn down and "rebuilt itself" before -- but never against a sea of far eastern competition before ....... I think AMD really wasn't all that much of a threat, really. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/18/16 at 03:09:09 http://www.winbeta.org/news/layoffs-continue-within-microsofts-mobile-division-dozens-lose-jobs-finland And lets see what MS is up to, job cut wise .... "Microsoft is undergoing some truly significant shifts from its previous stance as the Windows company toward a new strategy as the “mobile-first, cloud-first” productivity solutions company. Along the way, the company has made some serious cuts to their labor pool as part of the jettison of Nokia as the company further adjusts the mobile part of their strategy. Today, via ZDNet, we have a story from Finland about some additional cuts. Specifically, it appears that a few dozen employees were cut, a good portion being made up of marketing staff, and involving Microsoft mobile subsidiary Microsoft Mobile Oy. According to Microsoft, these cuts are not a part of the much more significant 7,800 that were cut directly related to the Nokia. The job reductions were spread across more than one business area and country and reflect adaptations to business needs. We go through this process in the most thoughtful manner possible, with the deepest respect for affected individuals,” said the spokesperson when I asked about today’s layoff reports. Clearly, Microsoft’s realignment in mobile and elsewhere are causing serious ripples, both in the market and among the Windows phone faithful. As always, we’ll continue keeping our eyes on these and other developments as Microsoft pushes forward with whatever its smartphone strategy might be." So, cutting most of the Windows Phone marketing and sales people falls in line with MS perhaps leaving Windows phone completely within the next calendar year. Remember, MS makes money on cloud services and loses money on PC and Phone. Especially phone -- big BIG losses for the last 3 years running. ::) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/18/16 at 13:24:32 http://liliputing.com/2016/04/pipo-packs-desktop-pc-folding-keyboard.html Pipo packs a desktop PC into a folding keyboard http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/kb2_03.jpg At first glance, the KB2 looks like a portable Bluetooth keyboard that you can fold up and slide into your bag when it’s not in use… but it’s a little thick for a portable keyboard. That’s because behind the keys you’ll find an Intel Atom x5-Z8300 Cherry Trail processor, up to 4GB of RAM, up to 64GB of storage, an 802.11ac WiFi module, Bluetooth, and everything else you need to run Windows 10. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/19/16 at 15:03:08 http://liliputing.com/2016/04/intel-restructuring-means-12000-job-cuts-11-percent-employees.html Intel restructuring means 12,000 job cuts (11 percent of its employees) http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/intel-hq.jpg "Chip maker Intel has announced a restructuring plan that will reduce the company’s workforce by 12,000 people and save the company about $750 million per year. But Intel says the goal isn’t just to save money, but also to shift its priorities and focus more on growth areas including data centers and Internet of Things businesses. The job cuts are expected to take place by mid-2017, and will consist of “a combination of voluntary and involuntary departures.” Intel is probably best known for making the processors that power personal computers including desktop, notebook, and many tablet and 2-in-1 devices. But the traditional PC market has been stagnant in recent years, and Intel has struggled to break into the smartphone space. So it’s not surprising to see the company focus on areas where it can see growth. But don’t expect Intel to pull out of the PC space anytime soon. It’s still the dominant player in personal computers and while the company has had to change its timeline for adopting next-gen chip architecture, Intel still has a number of new processors in the pipeline for everything from high-performance gaming machines to low-power, fanless computers." My take is that Intel already has designs for everything 14nm they can possibly improve or tune or reconfigure at that "Apollo Lake" 14nm lithography level already in the can. Firing all the old crew of people right about now won't affect anything, as Intel can execute the canned designs over the next two years using a much smaller people force. Then they can have enough money to float the new 7nm non-silicon production lines. Might be able to hold some costs down that way, too ..... (management thinking, you know) The new stuff (7nm non-silicon) will be A COMPLETELY NEW KETTLE OF FISH and the old "long experienced -- silicon skilled -- high salary crew would be of no use at all once they finally invented their own 7nm non-silicon process and then actually get into actually doing it. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/21/16 at 07:45:33 http://www.networkworld.com/article/3058774/techology-business/intel-axes-12000-jobs-as-it-looks-to-break-away-from-pcs.html http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/intel-hq.jpg Network World says: Intel axes 12,000 jobs as it looks to break away from PCs :o "The slowdown in PC shipments has hurt Intel's chip business. Worldwide PC shipments totaled 60.6 million units in this year's first quarter, declining by 11.6 percent compared to the same quarter a year ago, IDC said this month. Intel is also floundering in its efforts to break into the mobile device market despite an aggressive approach. Its Atom chips are in a handful of smartphones, but the company is doing better in a fast-declining tablet market. Servers are Intel most profitable unit but are also under growing threat from rival chip makers. Working with Rackspace, Google, one of the largest server buyers in the world, is designing a server based on IBM's Power 9 architecture and is also reportedly backing an ARM server chip from Qualcomm. Google's moves threaten Intel's dominance. "Krzanich is also shaking up the management to shape the company in his vision. He recently appointed a new second in command in former Qualcomm executive, Venkata Renduchintala, who will lead the PC, Internet of Things and software business as president of the client and IoT businesses and Systems Architecture Group. Renduchintala's appointment squeezed out former PC business chief, Kirk Skaugen, who is leaving the company. The mobile chief Aicha Evans has already left the company, and IoT chief Doug Davis is retiring. The layoffs were announced on the same day Intel announced its first-quarter results. Intel reported a profit of $2 billion for the first quarter of 2016, growing by 3 percent compared to the same quarter a year ago. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/21/16 at 08:11:16 So, both halves of the Wintel alliance are saying PC is something they need to grow away from just as quickly as they possibly can, as PC is nobody's future growth-wise any more, ever again. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/21/16 at 12:25:31 Meanwhile, back at the farm, Grandma was beating off the Indians ..... ::) http://liliputing.com/2016/04/superbook-is-a-99-laptop-shell-for-android-smartphones.html Superbook is a $99 laptop shell for Android smartphones http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/sbook.jpg This idea isn’t entirely new: Motorola offered a line of “lapdocks” for its discontinued Atrix line of smartphones years ago. In addition to letting you use your phone with a keyboard and external display, they actually supported a separate, more desktop-friendly user interface fro running full desktop apps like Firefox. But people have been buying old Lapdocks on eBay for years, and using them as laptop shells for small computers like a Raspberry Pi. But the Lapdock may have been ahead of its time. Now that we’re seeing the beginnings of official support for multi-window mode in Android, not to mention third-party versions of the operating system such as Remix OS and Phoenix OS with multi-window support, maybe the time has really come. The dock has a 1366 x 768 pixel display. It has a battery that lasts for 8 hours. There’s an SDK for Android app developers that want to create apps that play well in a desktop-style view. Phone requirements are Android 5.0 or later, 1GB of RAM, and a USB output (Type-C or micro USB, with display data being mirrored to the laptop shell over USB). The Superbook is said to work best on phones with more than 1GB of RAM and phones with 64-bit processors. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/21/16 at 17:35:06 http://liliputing.com/2016/04/acers-skylake-powered-chromebook-14-for-work-has-a-glass-lid-remi-rugged-design.html Acer’s Skylake-powered Chromebook 14 for Work has a glass lid, semi-rugged design http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/cb14_08.jpg "Acer’s Chromebook 14 for Work is a 3.5 pound laptop with support for up to a Core i5 Skylake processor, up to a 1920 x 1080 pixel display, and up to 8GB of RAM, making it one of the more powerful Chromebook options on the market. But what really sets this Chrome OS laptop apart is the design: it has a Corning Gorilla Glass lid, which protects the top of the computer, but allows corporate customers to emblazon their logos or other designs beneath the glass and have it shine through. And the laptop is MIL-STD 810G tested for durability. Acer say the Chromebook 14 for work should be available in May for around $349 and up." Chromebooks for Work -- drones can do their punchwork on a secured company wireless network system just as easily as they can on much more expensive Windows 7 or Windows 10 machines. And in doing so they are much safer from bugs and data theft -- and the yearly cost is about 1/5 compared to paying for Mickeysoft's whole herd of money grazing products. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/22/16 at 02:43:39 http://www.engadget.com/2016/04/21/microsoft-q1-2016/ Microsoft's phone business is in free fall http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQUWvJ4a3NUJ055JDAPttKo_DZqf0gJ1o_4xWoly7fjw2i5vDLHEw To no one's surprise, Microsoft isn't turning much of a profit from its phone business. According to its latest quarterly report, the company saw a dip of mobile revenue by as much as 46 percent. It sold 2.3 million Lumias over the past three months, which is a 73 percent drop from this time last year. Sadly, this is an ongoing trend; last quarter, it reported a phone sales drop by as much as 54 percent. OK, so we know Windows phone is a money dumping rat hole and MS intends to fill that rat hole in with concrete just as soon as they can. But how is the rest of MS doing? Still, the company is making money. Revenue was $20.5 billion while net profit was $3.8 billion. Microsoft also saw growth from its Surface segment, which grew by $1.1 billion over the past three months. That's up 61 percent year-over-year. The company credited the surge in Surface sales to the Surface Pro 4 and the Surface Book, but there's no word in its report exactly how many of those tablet computers it sold. Windows OEM revenue dipped by only 2 percent, which outperforms the PC market. Microsoft is also seeing some gains in its non-Windows related businesses, like Office, Azure and other cloud-based endeavors. Office revenue went up by 7 percent in the commercial sector and 6 percent in the consumer sector, thanks in part to growth in Office 365 adoption. Indeed, Office 365 itself experienced a huge growth, with a jump of 22.2 million consumer subscribers. Azure revenue grew by a whopping 120 percent. So, MS is making money on certain items and is losing money on PC, PC Windows and Phone. Guess what items get cut on later on this year ...... Intel for example is moving quickly to put all their limited funds behind the known things that will make them money going forward. Microsoft needs to get tough with themselves and do likewise. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/23/16 at 09:40:01 https://rcpmag.com/articles/2016/04/20/intel-pivots-away-from-pcs.aspx http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/561d97c29dd7cc11008c1882-480/intel-ceo-brian-krzanich.jpg The PC market is dying but Intel may have found a way to survive "Overall, we're seeing a weak PC client business being offset by strong growth in the data center, memory, and IoT businesses," Intel's CFO Stacy Smith said during earnings call. "We're much less dependent on the PC segment that we've historically been." Intel Cuts 12K Jobs as It Pivots Away from PC Business "Intel appears to have decided that it can't wait any longer for a hoped-for revitalization of traditional PC markets," said Pund-IT Principal Analyst Charles King in a blog post. "That doesn't mean that PCs are dead by any means. There will likely be occasional upward spikes in sales related to new features, vendor innovations and businesses upgrading their office environments, but the salad days of the industry, when people camped out overnight to buy new PCs, are receding into the past." King also noted that Intel is focusing on what has evolved into its core strengths and where consumer and enterprise IT is headed. http://www.pcworld.com/article/2025926/intel-exits-the-desktop-motherboard-business-to-focus-on-new-form-factors.html http://core3.staticworld.net/images/article/2013/01/intel_p67-100022570-gallery.jpg Intel completely exits the desktop motherboard business Intel's move responds to market pressures from two directions. On one side, the world simply doesn't need as many desktop motherboards as it has in the past. Demand is shifting to laptops and tablets, so Intel is responding to changing times. On the other side, companies like Asus, Gigabyte and Asrock are meeting existing demand with a wide variety of motherboard products with innovative features. Even worse, the feature sets offered by Intel motherboards often haven't kept pace with the offerings from Asian companies, begging the question, Why even buy an Intel board in the first place? Moral of this story is: NO MORE "EXCESS MONEY" TO BE POURED DOWN THE PC RAT-HOLE !!!! |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/23/16 at 16:08:23 http://liliputing.com/2016/04/superbook-is-a-99-laptop-shell-for-android-smartphones.html http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/sbook.jpg Take a deep breath ..... exhale ...... You already have an Android or Apple phone. The current crop of Android phones that will be eventually upgraded to M and N are going to be suitable for running a larger screen through their USB type C connector and a USB C hub device. Apple will wind up doing something similar eventually. The software to do this will be either a simple buy it on the PlayStore app (for the older phones) or else just part of your N Android OS itself. No fuss, no bother ..... Will you keep your old PC running? Yes, but you may think other thoughts when time comes for it to die (or for it to be quietly killed by MickySoft). Remember, younger people are now starting to PREFER Linux (Ubuntu/Debian especially) which is totally no cost free FOSS software which can make your old PC live again after MickySoft kills it. The "constantly changing" walled garden that MickySoft has built for themselves to "own" and run for you simply isn't pleasing to a lot of us old PC users ..... so branch out a bit and try Linux Mint or Ubuntu to see how it fits for you. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/24/16 at 15:24:29 http://liliputing.com/2016/04/more-remix-os-laptops-on-the-way.html ..... and EXHALE yet again ..... Here comes Allwinner putting out Android Windowing Laptops. Rockchip last week, Allwinner this week. http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/remix-laptop.jpg These laptops have entry-level specs, low price tags, and a custom version of Android that adds desktop-style features like a taskbar, desktop, and support for running most Android apps in resizable windows. Remix OS laptops Charbax looked at three different models: An 11.6 inch notebook A 14.1 inch notebook An 11.6 inch convertible with a touchscreen display and a 360 degree hinge He notes that prices could be as low as $79 for some models… but only if you place a large order for hundreds or thousands of units with barebones specs (like 1GB of RAM and 8GB of storage). Actual prices here in America for individual laptops are likely to be a bit closer to what you’d pay for an entry-level Chromebook (I’d guess somewhere between $120 and $200). Allwinner is showing designs featuring its Allwinner A64 quad-core, 64-bit processor and its octa-core Allwinner A83T 32-bit chip. Each of the prototypes has a 1366 x 768 pixel display and it doesn’t seem like there are any models with more than 2GB of RAM or 32GB of storage at this time, although both will likely come out later in upscale models. So, both Allwinner and Rockchip are both showing ARM chipset powered Windowing laptops that run Remix OS or Phoenix OS (about the same thing, really). "Android 7" is being quoted now on one of the Allwinner samples, so you can see how fast Google is sorting out and integrating these tricks into Android N and above. [media]https://youtu.be/KbU-syi-Bwo[/media] https://youtu.be/KbU-syi-Bwo Click on it ---- it is a video. Watch how quick the sucker runs, though -- FAST. Mediatek, you are next --- your competitors are out now with real units and Wintel has just called it quits on chasing the low end market completely as now even they say they have a "technology gap" and that they are completely non-competitive and non-profitable in low end laptops now-a-days. Duh, no shite Shirlock. $79 for a real laptop, screen touchpad and keyboard. Amazon and Walmart will each pick them a "private" vendor and pump the cheap little suckers out by the millions just like they did with their private label Chromebooks last Christmas season. For those that watch the video, you get to see Charbax make a monkey's arse out of himself fumbling and screwing up repeatedly because he does not know how to work the controls of the touch screen laptop. It's funny to watch, but is typical of Charbax ..... Brad Linder is much better on actually making the different products all work correctly and showing them well. He also is brutally honest about any lacks he sees, and Charbax is too stupid and hurried to notice the lacks as he never gets that deep into the units. Google I/O is in a couple of weeks and Brad Linder will do his test units after that -- he insists that he gets his production level units at his place for at least a week or three to do a any form of video review which is why his reviews are so much better for both content and quality (as well as showing the teardown for user upgrades, etc.) Anyhoo ----- Windowing Android Laptops are real now and will be here by Christmas time, along with a proper Google OS to support them and LOTS OF LITTLE GUY VENDORS making lots of neat stuff for it. All the good little guy stuff that the Windows world has just lost, Android is picking it up and running with it. Cost sounds great, so now we need the higher end traditional windows type apps ported over to the Windowing Android OS systems. Microsoft Office is already there, as is Adobe. Rest easy, the Chinese are already doing all of their softwares -- this is "their favorite OS" after all and it already runs all their favorite native language apps jest fine, thank you. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/24/16 at 16:06:05 Some Sunday afternoon thoughts on Windows 10 bloat vs Chrome and vs Android. Windows 10 is getting way past porky slow at this stage, as it has now got a full Ubuntu Linux tucked away in its bowels as well as Edge and Explorer 10 and all the layers of new stuff that have been slammed onto porky pig's carcass since then. The pig is so bloated now it can pop your internet data cap just upgrading all the layers of fat every night while you are sleeping ....... Android is picking up some small love handles compared to its past as it is starting to have a bios and all that goes with a major OS system that has to run on both old and new hardware. It isn't slow, but it isn't as fast as it used to be. Chrome is the real speed demon -- it has NOTHING that it doesn't need as each Chrome instance is built specifically for the FIXED HARDWARE that it was built to support. No fat, by design. Ever. Never gets any slower, it always runs as just fast as it did brand new. The updating and security ideas behind Chrome are still state of the art, which is one reason the Chrome loving folks don't want Google messing about with it. Both Education and Business want Chrome left alone, as they like and want what Chrome has as it make perfect sense for classrooms and business drones to use across the board. Chrome is what I would try to give my wife after we retire -- she lives in her browser all the time anyway. If I let her pick she would go Android, as she understands her phone already pretty well and the learning is minimal for her. Seems familiar, if you get my drift. She may be a candidate for a phone docking station and big screen and keyboard to plug her phone into ...... as her current phone is more powerful than the Allwinner chipsets already discussed. She is past sick and tired to death with MS ..... her school stuff sucks out loud big time at least 2-3 times a month now, and they are getting the 'upgrade to Win 10' popup stuff now too. She, like many of you, is tired of getting screwed around with by MS. ;) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 04/25/16 at 08:41:15 waiting patiently for the android docking setup for my phone , since the chromebook I tried could ONLY be set up through wifi not everyone has wifi |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/25/16 at 10:54:28 Art, wifi means you connect your carrier cable to a router. These can be bought for $40 from Walmart. They all have wifi and 4 ports built in. Locking yourself away from wifi is silly -- all the new tech is running on wifi now, not cables. Soon enough, your choices will be wifi or cell towers for most computing choices. Cat5 cable will not even be a supported option unless you are getting a desktop rig. The USB type C connector is replacing the old Cat5 connector and several of the older USB ports. They expect you to have wifi, in other words ..... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/25/16 at 11:12:06 http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/lumia-offer.jpg OK, this is a way to try to move some totally stagnant Win phone inventory -- a two for one sale. Not a very good way, but it moves some inventory in time for year's end which is coming up pretty soon for Microsoft. Problem is the VERY VERY HIGH list price on the one phone you are paying for -- it is so high you could buy like 4 current modern Android phones on Amazon for the same money. And that is without any sort of special Android sale going on ........ MS is investigating ways to FINALLY MOVE that stagnant phone inventory out of their warehouses. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/25/16 at 11:20:06 http://liliputing.com/2016/04/reports-xiaomi-to-manufacture-its-own-chips.html Seeing how well Apple, Samsung and Mediatek are doing making their own phone chips -- Xiaomi is going to try to do like-wise. Except they are perhaps maybe going to try to buy them an old Intel foundry for dirt cheap and put two brand new lines in it -- 14-10nm lines supposedly. With enough room for two additional lines for the next generation of 7nm non-silicon chipsets once that stuff finishes cooking. This expansion into chip making is very ambitious and it does sound like biting off more than you can chew. Effective immediately, Xiaomi will begin custom designing some of their very own phone chipsets and having TSMC produce them to spec. Xiaomi will simply buy a design license from ARM Holdings and go to it. Or, smarter, partner with ARM to create a new design that meets their needs exactly. This is a plan that Xiaomi can do right away that yields to them most of the custom chipset advantages that they are seeking. Potential bad news is Xiaomi can possibly bust one if they go it totally on their own and hurt themselves badly in their selected low end marketplace by doing so. Xiaomi specialized in low end cost, medium to good spec'd Android phones that run only on major Chinese carriers. China's big carrier's cell towers run on completely different specs from the USA carriers, which means the bulk of Xiaomi phones will not run well (or in some localities at all) in the USA, but that is OK as we are seen as a mature, stagnant, actually shrinking replacement only market in Xiaomi's eyes) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/25/16 at 21:18:20 Now that Intel has put itself out of play going forward into the next calendar year, what is cooking that makes things fun and interesting for the rest of the players? ARM Holdings Roadmap Shows A72’s 10nm Successor http://www.androidheadlines.com/2015/11/arm-holdings-roadmap-spy-show-shows-a72s-10nm-successor.html "In particular, the new high performance core (currently the Cortex-A72) is codenamed Artemis, presumably after the Greek goddess of the hunt. The Artemis processor is expected to be built on a 10nm process, which will result in a further reduction in power consumption and heat output from the System-on-Chip. Currently, the smallest commercially available process size is the 14nm, which is used by some Intel and Samsung mobile chipsets. Other chipset manufacturers are switching to the 16nm process size. ARM’s newly announced Cortex-A35 design is set to become the new ultra low power core of choice, will also move to the new 10nm process size. This will further reinforce the Cortex-A35’s low power and small size credentials and make it an even more compelling processor core design for wearables." ARM is redesigning and tuning a 10nm Artemis, the A72 replacement chipset for the top end and is redesigning and tuning two speeds of a 10nm A53 small chipset for the mid-range and low range -- all predicated on the extreme power and cooling advantages to be had on Samsung's 10nm and on TSMC's 10nm processes. Ironically, the silly things are so small that potential overheating of the closely packed stuff is a concern again, as is the much lower voltage required at 10nm level -- gots us some conflicting stuff coming out of the woodwork, huh? Both 10nm processes differ enough from each other to require custom tuning of the 10nm core designs to maximize throughput, chip over-heating and battery life. So, a tuned variant of both ARM chip levels will be built to exactly suit who is going to be building it, as a hand in glove fit is needed at 10nm to keep process speeds up and scrap rates down. Watch for the voltage drop at 10nm, it only requires a few volts to operate at maximum efficiency. It can run at higher voltages, but less efficiently. How they each choose to do this will be interesting. --- also watch for non-silicon tech to start to swing into play in the next few years as it is finalized by the IBM/Samsung/Global Foundries consortium. Intel is trying, too. Early IBM testing shows that their carbon tube based non-silicon is MUCH faster and uses less power -- interesting time are coming, I do believe. IBM has prototype lines, actual test products and GRANTED PATENTS which are some things that Intel lacks at this time. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 04/27/16 at 06:54:37 1E3D3537343D3D3423510 wrote:
well they can expect all they want, wifi is not secure, period, and as long as I'm running through my cell data, I don't want other people using it too I've had wifi, and I've had it jacked USB port from phone to PC is what I use now, and I'd dock my phone to a setup like they seem to be planning to bring out, but I'm not sharing my paltry 5G 4g with others just to make some clown at a computer manufactory happy Also keep in mind that ATT Uverse is the only carrier I've found in my area for wifi, and they are EXPENSIVE |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/29/16 at 04:16:03 http://liliputing.com/2016/04/asrock-deskmini-is-a-tiny-desktop-with-an-upgradeable-cpu.html ASRock DeskMini is a tiny desktop with an upgradeable CPU ..... gets a little warm, huh? Hot as a cup of coffee, huh? You are missing out on a free "coffee warmer" feature there guys ..... Say it can't stand the drips, huh? http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/deskmini_02.jpg Hey guys, I thought INTEL had EXITED the motherboard business, so why is Asrock building new reference design samples? Oh, so you had already built these months and months ago intending to drop them at a bombshell press event that will never be held now -- so now poor Asrock has got to get rid of them since they are SO ATTRACTIVE and modernistic chic looking that everyone will want one. This guy simply didn't get the memo early enough. His sweet little project is the new poster child for the Intel "technology gap" that Intel is now grappling with. http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/deskmini_01.jpg Duh, I don't work here any more ..... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/30/16 at 02:31:15 http://liliputing.com/2016/04/reports-intel-is-killing-off-low-power-atom-chips.html Intel is killing off low-power Atom chips http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/broxton.jpg Intel recently announced plans to layoff 11 percent of its workforce as the company shifts its focus from PCs to the cloud… now we’re starting to get an idea of what that will mean for the company’s line of chips for personal computers: the low-power, entry-level Atom chip family is being phased out. Those are the chips commonly used in cheap, low-power tablets, notebooks, and 2-in-1 devices. It’ll be interesting to see if Intel’s move away from the chips used in sub-$200 devices leaves an opening for rivals like AMD or some of the many chip makers using ARM designs. While you can’t run the full Windows 10 operating system on an ARM chip, Chrome OS and many Linux-based operating systems work just fine. And Intel’s decision to get out of the Atom space will have little to no impact on some of the most popular tablets including Apple’s iPad lineup, Amazon’s Fire tablets, and Android tablets from Samsung, Asus, and others. So, Intel is abandoning the entire lower end of the spectrum, but staying with the "upper low" to middle span with their upcoming Apollo line of 14nm "4th gen" chipsets. I think Intel knows Microsoft's plans to use Qualcomm chipsets to do this product range and is simply being proactive to cut their low end product lines and the dozens of people that would be under-utilized going into the future. Intel also sees Mediatek and Rockchip and Allwinner lining up to attack from the bottom end up using Windowing Android and they know that they want no part of that football game since they haven't won a scrimmage against those guys in several seasons now. Actually Intel is simply tired of taking all those hard hits in the head from them oriental hockey sticks. The field is open now for the hockey stick boys to go play hard against each other. ======================================== Update: Intel tells me the company “will continue to ship Cherry Trail Atom x5 and x7” chips. Whether this is just old stock sitting in a warehouse or new production is unclear at this point in time, but rest assured Intel will honor existing contracts for these chips until those contracts expire. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/30/16 at 05:04:22 http://www.pcworld.com/article/3025976/hardware/chromebooks-are-siphoning-market-share-from-windows-pcs.html Chromebooks are siphoning off market share from Windows PCs http://core2.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/12/acer-chromebook-11_cb3-131_left-facing-100635619-large.jpg Shipments of PCs with Google's Chrome OS are growing at the expense of Windows laptops and desktops, as the PC market suffers through its biggest slump since 2008. Especially popular are Chromebooks, which are basic Chrome OS laptops for Web computing. Low-price Chromebooks are attractive to students, educational institutions and budget buyers. Worldwide Chrome PC shipments in 2015 are expected to surpass those in 2014, according to IDC. Total Windows PC shipments worldwide were 276.21 million in 2015, declining by 10.4 percent from 2014, according to IDC. So, up to 3-4% of that 10.4% Windows loss went to Chromebooks? Apple is way down too, so it didn't go to Apple ..... this 6-7% of total demand that is missing in action may have transferred over to Android and phones/tablets or else simply it dropped off the face of the earth because Win 10 has stifled PC demand by that amount because folks simply don't want to be "owned" by MS. Perhaps instead they would like a neat, thin light fast Android N Windowing laptop? Or perhaps a new Chromebook that can run ALL Android apps straight out of the box? Google is flinging it both ways this summer, to see which one takes off and runs fastest with their separate method to blend the two OS's together. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 04/30/16 at 12:46:05 OF, have you got any more info on the uptake of Windows 10? As I understand it, the free offer runs out sometime in July, so 75% of the free offer time has gone. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/30/16 at 13:17:33 Much has changed since that free 1 year offer was made. Uptake on the free offer is WAY below the 1 billion machines MS promised that would be upgraded and the residual update issues associated with substandard drivers, machine ownership, etc. etc. have just multiplied over that time. Rumor is the "free offer" will be extended, and extended again when that runs out. This is a forced putt as MS can do nothing other than that. MS MUST lock you into their system totally to be able to continue as a company. Issue becomes that there are MANY MANY alternatives to Windows now with even more alternatives coming on board as we wait the rest of the one year. Later this summer, we get another milestone "threshold release" that will say what Win 10 will actually be like going forward, supposedly. Fixes that were promised and promised and promised again are promised one more time yet again ...... This is only most of a year late, but better late than never ...... And remember, the direction of the wind has changed to the point Intel is abandoning some of the lower level PC chipsets and firing some of the troops directly associated with them ...... Will MS do likewise as they have just now started to do with Windows Phone? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 04/30/16 at 13:52:45 Hmm, perhaps MS is a little like Fords sticking with the Model T after it had become obsolete. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/30/16 at 20:58:02 What is becoming clear is that Windows is going to be an upper cost option compared to the majority of other options out there. Once you are completely locked in, then they can start sending the notices for the "pay me at the Microsoft store" upgrades and neat new "they will fix you" Universal Apps to replace your old program functionality that MS stripped away from you in the upgrade. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 04/30/16 at 22:04:11 OF, just for your info, I've just had a pop up telling me that if I "upgrade" I'll get a "Personal Assistant??". |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/01/16 at 02:49:18 They are referring to Cortana, you can learn about this MS feature here: http://techcrunch.com/2016/01/25/microsofts-personal-assistant-tech-cortana-now-generates-reminders-from-emails/ They are also saying that if you upgrade you get all the other new features that you never wanted and some of these new features may not work right for you because of driver/hardware mismatches with your old PC's internal equipment. I fully upgraded just one Windows 7 machine (Grandma's) and Cortana never showed up because MS couldn't figure out the old Sony machine's "non-standard" audio drivers --- Grandma's old Sony laptop was one of the first failed upgrades in that aspect ...... If you are using a standard PC box arrangement you will need a "Microsoft approved standard audio system" and you will need to install a "Microsoft approved standard microphone" so Cortana can hear you speaking. Good luck with that, if you choose to upgrade it might become an issue for you too. All your existing drivers will be raked through and any "non-standard" drivers that are found that support any of your "unapproved" hardware will be deleted during the installation. Welcome to Mickysoft, the new owner of your just now partially broken PC. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/01/16 at 04:51:44 Predict this fall and this Christmas selling season. Wow, what a challenge ....... Microsoft will continue to NOT MENTION PHONES ANY AT ALL and the slant on Windows 10 will change away from "one OS running on all devices" to "Windows, the system that does everything for you". There has to be some stated purpose for the changes being made to Win 10 going forward and Mickysoft has to figure out what they planning on doing to actually help their customer base going forward. So far the focus has only been on getting Win 10 crammed down everybody's throats and that only operates to benefit Mickysoft and that does tend to make their customers angry as the ongoing driver issues are jest killing the customer/users. We can take some clues from Intel, which has chopped off 100% of all their phone chip development projects and all their low end chipset activity -- instead Intel is now starting off the family groups off at M class chipsets on the low end of things and rolling upwards through I-5, I-7 and on up through the Itanium server chipsets. Intel will only operate in the range where 1) they can make 60% margins and 2) their products are competitive/winners. Intel is tired of losing. M chipsets which are fairly modern upper scale chipsets that sell for ~ $400 ~ in a finished product right now. I.E. -- it meets conditions 1) and 2). Intel has gotten its act together, finally. Microsoft is still floundering a bit with their old failed vision. Microsoft needs to articulate a new vision that isn't based on X-Box and phone running off of the same main release of Win 10 because "Win 10 PC" is so huge and porky now it will NEVER be the same OS on all systems -- it will be 3 customized systems that may be able to swap some Universal Apps around. Maybe. Intel has stated their new concise focus which is to only make those chipsets that they can actually sell and make money off of. This tends to reflect their new focus on main server chipsets and BIG PC chipsets ..... Selling off unused manufacturing sites and laying off underutilized people is how Intel will make money for the rest of this year, along with selling server chipsets at a >60% profit margin. Microsoft wants you to upgrade to Win 10 and that is their total focus right now, coercing you into upgrading and locking yourself totally into the MS walled garden. However, Microsoft is slowly beginning to realize that PC isn't where they make their money now, cloud services is where their current profit income is rolling in from, not PC. Expect PC to become less vital to MS as the year rolls on and for the Win 10 activity to slow and perhaps become somewhat more stable. GOOGLE -- Google I/O in a few weeks is going to be telling in several aspects -- Google is sitting on a Chrome OS that is able to run ALL of the million plus apps in the Android Play Store and they may indeed let that kitty out of the sack at Google I/O. They may actually articulate a long term plan to merge Chrome and Android, finally. Google's sub vendors have Windowing Taskbar Android working pretty well now, to the point the hockey stick boys are releasing preliminary info about their new Christmas selling season $79-$150 Android laptops that are currently based on the FOSS open Chromium OS as modified by Jide and the other open Android x86 contributors into full windowing Android OS products. Jide Windowing Android OS is running on laptops from Allwinner and Rockchip at this point in time, with Mediatek and Nvidia still yet to ring into the game. We already know Android N will have resizeable windowing capabilities from the get go as that is already in the early releases. ==================== So ...... Windows (Intel and Microsoft) is staking out the over $400 space as where they will compete against all comers (and make money while doing so) and Android / Chrome is squaring up to simply own the sub $300 space next year. Bad news is "most" of the machines that are sold right now are under $400 price point right now. Final prediction: User interface, flawless performance, ease of use and "painless upkeep" at the same price points will become telling items going out into the future. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/03/16 at 13:56:39 http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/3/11576216/intel-atom-smartphone-quit http://recode.net/2016/05/02/intel-10-billion-on-mobile-before-giving-up/ Intel’s new smartphone strategy is to quit http://https://recodetech.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/code-20140528-090542-2752-e1405525166226.jpg?quality=80&strip=info&w=640 Many times Intel issues corrections or else has somebody spin doctor an unfortunate bad press release for them. So, we have waited a whole week now ....... and this abrupt cancellation is still with us. From the Verge Late on Friday night, Intel snuck out the news that it’s bailing on the smartphone market. Despite being the world’s best known processor maker, Intel was only a bit player in the mobile space dominated by Qualcomm, Apple, and Samsung, and it finally chose to cut its losses and cancel its next planned chip, Broxton. This followed downbeat quarterly earnings, 12,000 job cuts, and a major restructuring at a company that’s had a very busy April. Intel is still one of the giants of the global tech industry, but it’s no longer as healthy and sprightly as it used to be. The bane of Intel’s existence for the past decade or so has been the transition to mobile computing. It wasn’t supposed to be that way. Having secured a commanding lead as the premier provider of desktop PC processors, Intel had a clear-eyed strategy for extending its dominance into the mobile realm. A SERIES OF IGNOMINIOUS FAILURES HAS LEFT INTEL REELING With the help of Microsoft in 2006, Intel inaugurated the category of Ultra-Mobile PCs (UMPCs), which were the stylus- and touch-friendly precursors to today’s ultra-versatile tablets. They combined low-voltage Celeron and Pentium M chips with Windows Vista, and like everything else touched by Vista, they flopped. Unattainable pricing and inadequate battery life consigned the UMPC to the status of a historical footnote. The same fate befell Intel’s Mobile Internet Device (MID) initiative, which saw the chipmaker pushing and incentivizing its hardware partners to build mini internet tablets like the Nokia N810. Pervasive problems with affordability, battery life, clunky design, and ill-suited software prevented MIDs from ever becoming a mass-market success. On the software front, Intel recognized the need for a tailored operating system to make the most of mobile PCs and sought to develop its own Linux variant titled Moblin. Moblin never convinced anyone outside of Intel, and was eventually merged with Nokia’s Maemo to produce MeeGo, which in turn merged with Samsung’s Bada and is now known as Tizen. Well, it’s only barely known, even by owners of its most successful product, the Gear S2 smartwatch. The series of post-Moblin software mergers has been merely the consolidation of repeated mobile failures. Read more: Intel spent more than $10 billion to catch up in mobile, then it gave up Intel’s ventures into mobile hardware and software development show that even a great idea is only as good as its execution. The MIDs and UMPCs of yesteryear were aimed at the same usage scenarios as the phablets and pro tablets of today — but they were compromised and premature, and therefore rejected by the market. This has cost Intel dearly, with the company lavishing billions on developing suitable processors and modems to put into its various mobile undertakings. The multibillion-dollar mobile costs have spiraled in recent years — a loss of $3.1 billion in 2013 was followed by a loss of $4.3 billion in 2014 — which eventually forced Intel to combine its mobile and PC earnings reports in order to disguise its unproductive spending. The tragedy of Intel’s mobile failure is that the company foresaw all the threats to its business and acted to preempt them. It just didn’t do so very well. That being said, Intel’s the victim of its bad decision making almost as much as its poor execution. From Re/code After missing the early days of the smartphone revolution, Intel spent in excess of $10 billion over the last three years in an effort to get a foothold in mobile devices. Now, having gained little ground in phones and with the tablet market shrinking, Intel is essentially throwing in the towel. The company quietly confirmed last week that it has axed several chips from its roadmap, including all of the smartphone processors in its current plans. It’s a stunning admission of failure that saw the company throw good money after bad in its bid to make up for lost ground. “Suffice it to say, they likely lost well over $10 billion betting on mobile chips that never really got them anywhere,” said Jackdaw Research analyst Jan Dawson. Calculating the exact amount of its losses is tricky, given that the company only reported the mobile business separately for two years before folding it back into another unit. In just that time, the mobile business posted a whopping $7.4 billion in operating losses. Much of that came as Intel agreed to pay device makers that used its chips to account for the fact that choosing Intel added other costs. The hope was those companies would form a ready base of customers once Intel was ready with more competitive and cost-effective chips run just a year or two. Without such payments, Intel felt it would have had to wait several more years to regain a position in mobile chips. Intel’s chips, though, ended up being neither timely nor competitive. And most agree that Intel was right to reverse course, even though it would have been better to have never gone down this road in the first place. By the middle of 2014, Intel was losing more than a billion dollars per quarter on its mobile effort. It was enough to stifle progress on many fronts. Intel’s mobile failure is not only measured in dollars, the loss of forward momentum is something that counts beyond dollars and cents. It leads to retrenchment, and that is both ugly and hard to do. The chip giant is in the process of cutting its workforce by more than 12,000, with those involved in mobile chips among those expected to be hit hard. Intel is just now starting to notify workers and declined to go into details on the parts of the company that will be most impacted. And, of course, there is the opportunity cost of where Intel could have invested all those billions had it not been hellbent on trying to reclaim lost ground in mobile. The company did reach its target of shipping 40 million tablets in 2014, but that was one of the few mobile goals it reached. The tablet market stalled soon after and Intel failed to grab any significant chunk of the far larger smartphone market. Taiwan’s Asus had been the company’s biggest phone backer, but even it had started to pull back this year, shifting nearly all its models to other companies’ processors. Intel isn’t out of the mobile business entirely. Although it has canceled several families of chips designed to serve as the main processor for phones and tablets, the company is still pushing hard to gain share in the market for modem chips, a secondary but nonetheless important part of phones. With the roadmap changes, Intel will still be making chips for tablets, but more the big Windows 2-in-1 tablets designed to compete in the PC market than the low-end Android models. And any ambitions of powering smartphones will have to wait at least for 5G, meaning not until sometime in the next decade. So the question is, what now for a PC giant that finds itself in a largely post-PC world? “I think this is a sign of more realistic thinking at Intel and putting their investments where they’re more likely to pay off,” Dawson said. “Their main focus now appears to be on maintaining whatever they can in the legacy PC business and then trying to grow through data centers and Internet of Things applications. Data centers have been really good for them over the last few years, but Internet of Things is still really small.” Plus, Internet of Things devices resemble the mobile market more than they do the PC market, so it’s not clear that Intel will have any more luck in that market. In addition to all the money it spent to win business for its tablet chips, Intel invested a fortune to make sure that Android worked well on its processors and to make life easier for device makers that went with its chips. Intel executives liked to boast that Intel had the largest Android software team outside of Google. It’s unclear what will become of that effort, though Intel still wants to make sure its chips are well suited for Chrome OS-based devices, one of the few bright spots in an otherwise bleak PC market. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/05/16 at 12:34:47 http://liliputing.com/2016/05/upgrading-windows-10-will-cost-119-starting-july-29th.html Upgrading to Windows 10 will cost $119 starting July 29th http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/windows-10.jpg MS outs its new strategy to monetize Windows 10 ASAP. Answer -- at the end of the one year start charging for the OS and any future upgrades on an ongoing fashion. Is this the final word -- no, not likely. The reaction so far has been "See, I told you so -- the OLD MS sticks its head back out of its freebee painted shell and starts acting like ----MS ---- all over again. This shatters all the image work done in the past 8 months as MS has NOT MET A SINGLE INTERIM GOAL since the project started. And now they want you to give them $120 for a perpetually unfinished OS system ???? Pay them $120 so they can own your machine to torrent out upgrades on your data plan $$$ every night? Read the pretty picture up above ..... for a PC only OS that does NOT run on all tablets and all the game boxes as promised before? For an OS that they can only say they gave away 300 million copies of (that 2/3 of the people out there did not want, even if it was free)? That MS had to lie to and coerce people unmercifully just to get it on the 300 million machines? :-? ..... is this who you want to be locked into for the rest of your life? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/05/16 at 14:54:07 MS has NOT MET A SINGLE INTERIM GOAL since the project started. . is this who you want to be locked into for the rest of your life? Ohh, the parallels between those facts and the economy. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/05/16 at 15:25:31 Go ahead Justin, we know you want to ...... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/15/16 at 11:20:01 http://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-10-auto-schedules-updates,31802.html Microsoft Auto-Scheduling Windows 10 Upgrades http://media.bestofmicro.com/Z/L/508017/gallery/Windows10-Cover_w_600.jpg Windows 10 has been with us for a little over eight months now, which means there are only about four months remaining to get a free upgrade from an older Windows operating system. As the clock counts down, Microsoft has begun to auto-schedule PCs to upgrade to Windows 10 with or without consent from end users. When Microsoft created Windows 10, it tied in numerous monitoring and data collection tools. The operating system is capable of gathering your search history, web usage, Windows Store usage, details of what applications you use, voice recordings, emails, geographic information and just about anything else that is on your PC. This information is gathered in part for improving Windows-based services, but it is also used for market research and advertising purposes. Because each user on Windows 10 increases the amount of advertising information available to Microsoft, which in turn enables Microsoft to earn more revenue from selling this data, it is not surprising that Microsoft wants everyone to use its new OS. This lead to Microsoft offering Windows 10 as a free upgrade to both Windows 7 and Windows 8, as users of either OS were unlikely to want to pay for a new OS on an already relatively new PC. Still, there were numerous users that opted to stick with their older Windows OSes, but they were still subject to annoying pop-ups trying to get you to move to Windows 10. Even after you close the pop-up, it returns after a few short hours, relentlessly probing you to upgrade. Now, as we near the end of the free upgrade period, Microsoft’s malware-like upgrade system is becoming even more intrusive by autoscheduling upgrades to Windows 10. I noticed that the Windows 10 upgrade reminder pop-up on a Windows 7 PC was no longer asking me to upgrade; instead, it’s now informing me that it has already scheduled an update for May 17. So, they will do you willy nilly, huh? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 05/16/16 at 01:23:43 So I clicked the Get Win 10 icon, and yes I was scheduled to be upgraded on the 17th NZ time I assumed. There was a cancel upgrade option which I clicked. I hope the exhaust box in my computer doesn't explode |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 05/16/16 at 08:30:33 so far my PC has said noffink about an upgrade so far it continues to function wonder how long that's gonna last? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Serowbot on 05/16/16 at 09:19:37 Just a FYI for anyone considering... I just bought a used PC with a copy of Win7 that apparently wasn't registered,... so it kinda' shut-down on me. So,... I installed Linux mint mate 17.3... My last experience with Mate was version 16, and I wasn't too happy with it. This one is much better... I'm very picky about having things work the way I want them to,... and 17.3 is doing everything I demand. If you get too frustrated with MS,... it's worth a try. It's free, and it's pretty good. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 05/16/16 at 09:23:28 thanks for that report I'd still probably just go android though, since I am in no way a power user oh BTW, anyone know of a good 'first person shooter' for PC? sometimes the net just ain't enough (apologies for thread jack) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/17/16 at 13:24:05 http://liliputing.com/2016/05/ibm-phase-change-memory-cheaper-ram-versatile.html http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/pcm_01.jpg There are 3 camps attempting to pull this new super cheap solid state memory off. One is IBM with their Phase Change memory. Second is HP/Sandisk working on Memristor/ReRam. Last, and most theoretical at this point in time is Intel/Micron with their 3D Xpoint Memory. Kinda like LENR, the 3 groups are chasing different ways to skin the same Cat -- and all you can really count on is somebody is gonna pull it off, sooner or later. Somebody will do 7nm and somebody will do a memory that really complements the new non-silicon computing chips. 8-) Count on it -- take it to the bank as it will happen. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/18/16 at 00:53:45 http://liliputing.com/2016/05/nxpfreescales-64-bit-mx-8-chips-finally-coming.html http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/05/17/nxp-unveiled-i-mx-8-multisensory-enablement-kit-with-hexa-core-armv8-processor/ http://www.cnx-software.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/i.MX8_Multisensory_Enablement_Kit.jpg NXP is a company that does electronic packages for cars. This is a large business with strong and growing requirements as we swing towards self parking, self driving as required sales features in new cars. NXP bought up Freescale as they were using their chipsets a lot but NXP wanted additional features put into the chips to suit their in-dash uses and to expand out into multiple sensors and cameras out all over the car. Lots more video and camera and sensors of various types. Freescale was willing but lacked the funding -- now that NXP owns them they don't lack funding but are now using most of their foundry allocations up internally. Now NXP/Freescale has built them a monster 10 core ARM A72 to do all the neat stuff the car makers currently want. Makes cell phones and computers look sorta easy, doesn't it? Now you get a feel for why ARM designed the A72 deca-core monster designs -- automotive was a big needs area. Now that both Freescale and Mediatek have the 10 core chips in production, you can expect to see more and different products coming out that are using the 10 core monster ARM processors instead of Intel chipsets. And you also see why Intel has retreated from these industries back towards the datacenter world (especially after Ford fired them and Microsoft for costing Ford a bunch of JD Powers consumer satisfaction points for "very difficult to use" dash packages ..... ) ARM processors running Linux (a skinned version of Android) ...... that Google type self-driving stuff is coming to see you from everywhere. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/18/16 at 13:08:56 http://liliputing.com/2016/05/keeping-windows-7-windows-8-1-date-just-got-way-easier.html http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/windows-7-update.jpg Guess who just decided that Win 10 really WASN'T really going to be taking over the whole world just yet ...... and that they'd had better get crackin' to keep Win 7 up to snuff and working well if they wished for all the Serobots in the world to please quit telling folks to go to Linux Mint 17.3 and DUMPING POOR OLD MS OFF ON IT'S ARSE. Microsoft would really like you to use Windows 10… but if you’re not ready to make the switch from Windows 7 or Windows 8.1, the company is now continuing to support those operating systems with security updates and bug fixes. Monthly Rollups So what about updates from after April, 2016? Microsoft will be offering monthly rollups that let you install a bunch of cumulative non-security updates all in one go. There will be monthly rollups for the following operating systems: Windows 7 SP1 Windows 8.1 Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 Windows Server 2012 Windows Server 2012 R2 Monthly rollups can be downloaded manually, but they’re also available through Windows Update. Holy 180o 100% screeching full reversal, Batman !!! |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/18/16 at 15:17:27 http://liliputing.com/2016/05/yep-google-play-store-coming-chrome-os.html Yep, the Google Play Store is coming to Chrome OS (on modern touch screen Chromebooks first) in June of this year If you are a Chrome centric sort of person, this completes the fusion of the OS's with it all taking place on your Chromebook as a backbone. You now have your full on-line world AND the full local install world of Android Play Store apps. You also can Crouton all of Linux Ubuntu and Mint on your same machine, treating Ubuntu or Mint as Chrome App tabs that can do a whole lot more as local loaded software. This move gets a full year to mature and to jell together to see what sort of acceptance it grows against the existing Windows laptop populations. Then the Android half will rise up to meet it. Yes, the Android half is yet to come. Chrome OS picking up all of the Play Stores is just step 1-A of the whole total Google fusion plan, the next move is the next year's Android O (not N but O). This will be an Android that will have all the Jide type functions built in to Android itself, giving you a full functioning windowing taskbar'd type OS out of Android. Plus the phone/pc thing will be naturally occurring as the phones will all have 3-4 gigs of memory and lots & lots of processor power to drive the whole shebang while showing it on a big monitor and a real keyboard and mouse. Now it will be all there and THEN it is time to trim off the excess and start to refine and polish the merged systems ...... completely according to where the customer base wants to drive it. Thought ..... if Oracle wins their current anti-Java suit against Google, the fused stuff will just be more Chrome based in order to comply with ditching any Java taint remaining in Android. If not, then not. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 05/18/16 at 19:59:02 Well OF, you've played a part, by keeping the illiteratui like me away from the darned thing. A friend of mine has his computer in "hospital" at the moment because of Win 10. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/21/16 at 04:09:07 http://lpxshow.com/lpx-episode-9-funeral-for-an-atom-processor/ Here is a group of futurists discussing where computing stuff is going in the next 3 years. Intel is dropping out of the mix on the low end, Nvidia moving over to automotive, Qualcomm losing a lot of ground to Mediatek and Allwinner and Rockchip -- these are the sorts of things that tend to affect the industry rolling into the next few years. Cars are very very big right now and Intel isn't there at all -- Nvidia owns it right now. The smarter companies are finding new expanding niches to roll their research dollars into so they are the ground floor "owners" of that area as it begins erupting into exponential growth. Another item of huge expansion is big rack space Internet supporters -- the biggest rack space companies are now designing and building their own specialty chipsets to cut energy and cooling and still gain massive amounts of speed by being built specifically to run their particular software and application. As Intel attempts to roll into this space as their safe haven, they are finding their biggest potential customers (Google and Facebook) really don't need them at all any more because they both build their own chipsets now. And theirs is 100% ARM RISC derived customized designs supporting customized to fit cut down very fast Linux softwares. Hardware and software were designed at the same time to do that one job just as efficiently and quickly as possible. CISC and Intel x86 simply need not apply -- way too fat slow and porky. "Generic" do anything x86 simply isn't what is needed in rackspace any more. Intel hasn't figured this out yet ..... and having made their move to the data center and abandoning low end PC as uncontested leaves them middle to upper PC space as their only sales outlet. And, please remember those 10 core A72 chipsets and the Apple A-10x superchipset that CAN DO LAPTOP DUTY RIGHT NOW WITH THE RIGHT OS PRODUCT TO DRIVE IT. Intel is not looking good at the moment. Neither is Microsoft, after being forced by reality to backtrack 180o on their big Win 10 "do or die" push. :P |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/21/16 at 04:55:54 http://www.computerworld.com/article/2989001/microsoft-windows/windows-10-adapt-or-die.html Windows 10: Adapt or die http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2015/08/win10-starts-fig01-100608553-primary.idge.jpg And although the changes seemed massive -- and overnight to many, what with Microsoft talking about the specifics only this year -- there will be time to make the necessary adjustments. Windows 10, after all, launched only eight months ago, and enterprises have another 30 to get their ducks in a row, and their devices onto Windows 10 before 7 lumbers into retirement. Oh wait ..... is Win 7 even going to retire now ???? Likewise, measuring Microsoft's success in the transformation of Windows into a semi-service won't happen overnight. Kleynhans predicted that it would be at least two years before customers -- and Microsoft -- have a good handle on how, or even if, the new process works. And if it doesn't? "Microsoft can be pretty responsive to the customer base," said Kleynhans "If people say, "I just can't take this," Microsoft will work with the customer base." I think MS has hit the end of their declared free upgrade period, skirting the limits of getting sued massively by class action lawsuits for coercing their customer base and lying out the ass to them about "promised this and that" just to get them to upgrade. The number of dead post upgrade PCs is quite large now and the bill for that is coming due and MS doesn't want to pay that bill nor acknowledge their actions created all those dead computers and angry customers in the first place. Expect MS customer service to start offering a post 30 day Win 7 or Win 8.1 go back to people with hardware that simply cannot run their new Win 10 OS that got Win 10 installed anyway by MS at night willy nilly style. Win 10 was indeed do or die for MS ---- time to start talking about joining "the walled garden tea party" or else planning on moving away from MS completely. Sero, what was that completely free software that works good again ????? The stuff you installed when your Win installation got all unfriendly on you? :-? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 05/21/16 at 08:32:19 So the wife was playing her favorite online game yesterday..... She was in the middle of killing some bad guys and up pops this "upgrade needed" message. Well since she was a swinging her sword and casting spells she swore she clicked the "cancel" button, but low and behold she got booted from her game and guess what? Yup, the win 10 circle shows up and win 10 started its "upgrade".... And no, I did not have time to put in my earplugs.... got it full force... and it weren't my fault!!! Ends up it didn't take that long (about 35 minutes) and she was "ok with it"....shew.... it was almost like it was my fault, I was gonna have to sue Microsoft for my beatin' :) All in all though, I thought that it was pretty darn sneaky. >:( |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/22/16 at 04:26:53 More stuff about Intel & MS is coming out along with the newest Chromebook talk. Gist is Intel is functionally giving up on the entire lower end of laptop/tablet space because of the dumping off of the Atom line of chipsets. What is really being missed right now by users is the extreme levels of price supports and contra-revenue $$$ that Intel and MS used to drop in our pockets when we bought their Wintel products in this segment area. The real true pricing is coming through now, and it isn't pretty. Chromebook and Android own all that bottom end PC segment by default now. Mid-to-low end space has Windows 10 and Chromebooks/Android squaring up for a duke off during the rest of this year, with Chromebooks swinging upgraded specs and a slightly higher price point as people are asking for more storage memory since they are holding on to more local loaded & stored stuff than before. SD cards can do this duty, but SD cards tend to run slower than main systems memory or SSD drives. People want that SSD storage. Windows and Apple are both down slightly again in new unit laptop sales, but Win 10 is running around Borging millions & millions of new users abruptly right now whether they want to be Borg or not. Many users are uninformed and uncaring, but some users are right irritated at the moment because of driver issues making their old favorite softwares not work right (the old softwares MS didn't trash outright as "unapproved" during the upgrade process, that is). Breaking your old computer in order to prompt you to go buy a new one is a really really harsh marketing plan, don't you think? Now that MS will be charging normal prices for Win 10 going forward, this puts a price drag on all Windows machines which will affect sell through in all markets other than professional. Seeing Win 10 heading towards the business world makes me wonder what Win 10 has to offer the IT world that Win 7 doesn't already offer to them? Most of the gimcrack stuff won't be turned on or enabled by IT, nor would the gimcrack stuff really be wanted by business users in general. Intel is "de-emphasizing" PC and tablet and laptop -- main focus is now on Internet of Things and rackspace/mainframe style large computing. In other words. Intel hopes to "own" IoT and make their normal large profit margins in rackspace/mainframe as they see themselves as owning that right now too. Intel's big new directional moves are too late again. Qualcomm and the other phone boys are supplying IoT devices right now with various cheap light and fast ARM Cortex M derivative chipsets and they are the ones that really do currently "own" that IoT market. Intel will fail in attempts to own IoT for the same exact reasons they failed at mobile. Too slow, too large, too expensive with poor energy use characteristics and poor battery life. The move to rackspace finds the largest customers (Google, Facebook, Amazon and the like) are busy designing and building their very own highly customized rack chipsets to go along with their very own cut down speeded up customized Linux softwares. http://https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Pv1QyUVlX20/Vz_iPo-qnQI/AAAAAAAACq8/mgLCTGT5M3QeM4nHZZBeiZp78GmuTWYowCLcB/s640/tpu.png Where/who are all of those big deep pocket "high margin" customers again, Intel? Remember, Itanium runs x86 code, while rackspace runs on Linux ...... In short, Intel is a many times loser lately that is making yet another set of frantic moves that are going absolutely nowhere yet again. They cannot design a good chipset for any rapidly changing needs and they certainly cannot make anything at a low cost posture, even if given whole years to do it in. Intel is a huge, out of date dinosaur and the new post impact climate is starting to snow on them ....... Extinction is Intel's eventual real game plan. We will get to watch them shrink and squirm and shrink again and flail around wildly yet one or two more times before they collapse and finally die. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by mrlvlagic on 05/23/16 at 15:48:13 The "internet of things" is something that needs its own thread. I think that maybe one day we will have integrated more devices but I dont see the interest or the innovation to drive large scale acceptance. I mean who needs a refrigerator with a huuge touch screen tablet on the door? But on another not I think that Microsoft needs to consider modeling their pricing for system upgrades like Apple. I was surprised when I purchased an old Apple and the upgrade to snow leopard only cost $20! |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/24/16 at 03:10:50 Actually, this is the latest of a long series of computerish tech posts going back to single core ARM chipsets. I predict the next competition and predict the next winner of that competition and then we all see how well I did when reality rolls past. This thread is actually about 3/4 done now, Intel is leaving the playing field and MS is busy backing away from what was its grand plan of Win 10 world conquest by allowing Win 7 to continue to exist for business. But also note that MS is still busy Borging all the little user people over to Win 10 because the the little guys can't fight back effectively (and show signs of not caring all that much anyway). Android still hasn't picked up its full package of full OS features yet and with Oracle suing Google yet again (MS may have had a finger in this repeated suing) over Java I think Google is leaving open the option of backing Chromebook OS as their "future pathway" if they are told by the court to remove all hints and traces of Java from Android. Google can do this if they need to, you know. Change the few remaining API calls over to something else ..... To MS, anything that can interrupt, derail or simply slow Google down is a good thing, because Google is taking over the bottom end of the laptop market starting this year. MS must have the time to finish their Win 10 roll out all the way to business before Google takes over low end laptops, or they could lose a critical mass of units on the low end of things. Other than Oracle's and MS's intentionally muddying up the Android waters yet again with clouds of FUD, a open minded user finds that the developing Android as an OS already has a full market test package out there in Jide Windowing Android. The Oriental suppliers are all prepping full bore Android laptops as we speak. Everyone is watching to see what this effort actually does sales-wise as the Orient is Windowing Android's natural best market and if it is accepted at all it will be accepted first in the Orient. This is Google at its natural best, seeking to grow Android organically based off of what the marketplace wants as reflected by the little guy vendors seeking out naturally occurring competitive advantages. Chromebook OS is about complete now and is going to be market driven to expand its "hard drive" memory with some more SSD memory, or else Google may try to refine their Playstore trick where you download the app in the background and use it, then let it go back to the Play Store cloud servers between uses. Both Google and MS do this trick now, with MS actually not even being able to put all of its needed major OS pieces on to the little bitty SSD drives of some of the sub-spec'd Chromekillers that they sold over the last few years. Instead MS was constantly moving parts of the OS itself back and forth to cloud storage all the time just so you could do all of Windows 10. Can you say "MS runs interrupted, slow, & kludgy on these machines"? The Win 10 OS porky size exceeded both the Chromekiller's SSD drive's capacity and systems memory at times, in other words. This means very slow execution while the user waits for chunks of the Windows OS go up & down from the cloud. Google's OS's are much smaller and will still fit well on the existing smaller system memory & SSD drives, but the trick would still be very useful to ferry an occasionally used app back and forth automatically, keeping it in cloud storage until it was needed. Phones would benefit from this trick as well as the Android laptops. Expect to see more mention of fast, locally run cloud apps in the future as phones are going to get 3-4 gigs of RAM memory later on this year, then the cloud up & down trick will be used for any future increased needs. Look to see Android pick up some other AI driven ChromeOS type tricks, like background updates and hopefully those most excellent anti-virus/trojan sandboxing tricks that are used by ChromeOS too. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/24/16 at 06:08:35 Microsoft just raised the low end requirements of a Windows 10 machine to clearly exceed those of a Chromebook. These new requirements seem to clearly indicate MS does not intend to compete on the low end of the laptop/tablet market spectrum any more, HOWEVER, Win 10 regular will now fit on not so lowly 7" tablets, whereas before MS restricted it to larger screens and kept the 7" items reserved for Win 10 Mobile in years past. Now that MS phone has just about died off, all development efforts for Win 10 Mobile systems have had most of the personnel all laid off from them as well. You could say Win 10 Mobile and Win 10 Phone products are "relatively dead and unsupported" going on out into the future. Now nothing exists but the full bore Win 10 OS system and that system has much more substantial processor, display and systems memory and SSD size requirements than it did just a week ago ........ There are two ways to see this: First, MS is tired of losing and if they limit themselves to Chromebook OS like specs then they will ALWAYS be slow and porky and still lose badly to the light and fast ChromeOS. By MS design specs now requiring enough processor, memory and screen rez, the new Windows units will now run much better (not necessarily very much faster, but clearly better). But, if a Chromebook is given anywhere near these new MS generated Win 10 laptop/tablet specs, it will run superlatively faster, and along with all of the Play Store for literally millions of light and fast software packages of all sorts ranging from free to cheap, then the new touchscreen Chromebooks will kick MS's arse on both low end and mid-range zones. Prediction: Chromebooks may continue to kick MS's arse for speed right on up the hardware spectrum if they are running same same softwares with very similar spec'd machines. Right on up through Core I5 and Core I7 ....... ..... or else perhaps some of the "lesser spec'd Chrome machines" are still going to be going around kicking MS's butt when MS is run on much more expensive hardware, something which has been happening for quite a while now on the Core I3 and below machines ..... Android and the Play Store will now start to collect some even more serious work-type programs, now that ChromeOS is there to support them and Chrome is no longer seen as a lite weight lite duty OS. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/25/16 at 10:50:51 Today, noon. Microsoft put their most current largest most powerful Continuum capable Lumia phone on sale, and to complement that sale they also laid off 1,350 of the folks who support Win 10 mobile software. What do you think it means? Whatever it is, it is BIG and it isn't completed yet by a long shot. :-? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by rl153 on 05/25/16 at 11:47:19 Just thought I'd warn people about this latest update to win 10 http://www.pcworld.com/article/3073457/windows/how-microsofts-nasty-new-windows-10-pop-up-tricks-you-into-upgrading.html |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/25/16 at 14:22:44 That's just plain tricky nasty. So is this ..... http://liliputing.com/2016/05/microsoft-streamlines-smartphone-hardware-business-focus-enterprise-market.html On the same day that the 1,350 software people associated with creating and upkeeping Win 10 Mobile software and Window 10 for Phone got their pink slips, then an additional 1,850 of the guys who work on the Microsoft Mobile Hardware side abruptly got the axe too. That is a whole bunch of people gone from Microsoft's phone side in just one day, they are being "streamlined" alright, in the very worst sort of way. 3,200 people gone in just one day while MS is also booking a brand new inventory adjustment charge of 8 Billion Dollars in addition to what was booked at the end of last year. This new firesale being done right now in an effort to MOVE the now dead phones in advance of most people realizing MS is already really completely out of the phone business is already anticipated to cost MS 8 billion more dollars. :-/ So it’s not surprising that Microsoft is still making changes in their company, getting drastically smaller in the process. The company has announced it’s eliminating about 1,850 jobs in its smartphone hardware business, taking a $950 million restructuring charge for this portion of the changes, and shifting the company's focus yet again. Moving forward, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella says the company will focus “phone efforts where we have differentiation — with enterprises that value security, manageability, and our Continuum capability, and consumers who value the same.” http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lumia-950-xl.jpg The announcement comes a week after Microsoft announced it was outright selling its feature phone business, and just a month after the company revealed that it sold only 2.3 million Lumia phones in the previous quarter (down from 8.6 million a year earlier), and less than a year after cutting 7,800 jobs in the phone division and taking an impairment charge of around $8 billion. In other words, this whole phone thing hasn’t been working out too well for Microsoft. :-? ::) :P Last week MS was tallied as holding only 1% of the smartphone worldwide business ---- I betcha they would be kinda hard pressed to claim a half of a percent right now. http://www.mobilephonedevelopment.com/wp-content/uploads/tomiinstalledbase.png |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/26/16 at 02:59:08 Seeing a lot of buzz today about yesterday's big changes from MS. People are seeing this as MS shrinking itself and re-aiming everything at PC as far as Windows 10 goes, giving themselves an out by having the main Win 10 claims it can run on a 7" tablet or a phone (if they have the needed requirements). Since there aren't any 7" tablets swinging the required hardware, it becomes "not MS's fault" that there aren't any. Ditto for phones, since only the top 2-3 brand new (with one yet to come out and ship yet) Win 10 phones have the hardware needed to swing Win 10 now. Some people are awaiting a clarification from MS, waiting for MS to say that it was all misunderstood somehow. Pink slips are kinda hard to misinterpret, guys, sorta final. MS and Intel have both announced they are leaving the low end portion of all these markets, phone, tablet and laptop. Chrome and Android have already pre-won in the defined area of competition that was spelled out at the start of this thread. There are warehouse stocks of old Intel low end chipsets, stocks of laptops and tablets and tag end stocks of low end MS phones yet to sell off, which will keep on coming until they are all gone, but actually the game could be called right now since one side has actually left the playing field in a forfeit. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/26/16 at 03:15:08 Loyal MS fans are saying that folks will follow MS up the price scale to buy replacement stuff running Win 10 and this is just a price move. I don't think it is a simple price move, the under $300 market is still going to be there and it will be populated by Google products ASAP. Chromebooks are preferred by those that use them, MS has lost those people permanently. And any kid that has gone past high school lately understands how to use a Chromebook really really well -- finds a Windows machine sorta bulky and slow but knows how to use them because of GAMES. Steam may steam roller out this GAMES bump when they get all situated to run on the new more powerful modern touch screen chromebooks. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 05/26/16 at 08:19:50 Yup, that's how the wife got tricked.... she simply exited the windows 10 prompt and it started to download automatically. As far as win 10 goes, it is SLOW on my system because browsers are now overloaded with script ads that take forever to load and each darn page has at least 4-5 of them. On my 17 inch HP Pavillion (win 10) I have to actually wait until all ads are present and finished loading before I can even scroll down the page! I am lucky here on savage.com because there are only two ads and usually neither are running scripts with motion. A lot of times there will be updates running in the backround and I cannot even see them using my task manager, all I see is that my disc and memory are being used to capacity and I cannot type but just one letter every 5-6 seconds in a post.... VERY frustrating. Its like I have gone back to my old 486DX2 days with the 1200 baud modem.... how can this be progress? Last but not least.... ebay, amazon, harbor freight... any where you go to even "look" at an item to purchase, the ads will start reflecting them, no matter the browser you use (I have four).... so it crosses the boundaries of windows/google/firefox ect..... how is that happening? I can purchase an item on harbor freight with IE 11, and my google browser shows ads with that item and "like" items when I log to it. The same with firefox...... so they are connected ad wise some how. The ONLY reason I have not gone to Linux with this machine is now just ONE game..... World of Warcraft.... it does not have a Linux side, just Windows and Mac... it does not play through Steam. And i'm not sure it will run with just running the Wine program in Linux, I did have dual boot going on my little 14" AMD laptop and did a "drag and drop" for WoW into the Linux side, but I think it was still using the windows settings across the board, not really sure though. I now don't have a machine to test the Linux on, because my little 14" is being used as my security system and D-Link will not run on anything but windows.....sigh.... Oh one other interesting thing, I had a hard drive failure with the little AMD 14", and had to reload my windows vista on it.... I had originally used the little laptop as my "windows 10 beta" machine. Recently I went to check on the machines and software through Microsoft's personal pages (my pages) and it still shows "Bill AMD" as having windows 10 professional edition (because of the beta)..... go figure, it actually has Vista on it. Guess Microsoft cannot auto upgrade a Vista machine :) LOL |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/27/16 at 10:13:41 Why Win 10 is so durn slow ...... MS sells 6-10 ads max per loaded opening page. Each ad comes from somewhere ..... Each and EVERY ad has to load before the page can complete itself .... You are only as fast as the slowest ad's load time ..... and this can be very very slow |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 05/27/16 at 10:48:05 and each and every ad has to be scanned by anti-virus before it can load. which is the problem I have with facebook "sponsored content" |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/27/16 at 12:35:36 Which is why I use Linux Mint Mate 17.3 and I run Chrome browser with Adblock Plus turned on. -- I wait for no durn ad man, not no how ...... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by bobert_FSO on 05/27/16 at 15:53:46 Another good Firefox/Chrome extension is Disconnect. It blocks connections to advertising and analytics sites. I've seen it block >30 connections on a web page. https://disconnect.me |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/28/16 at 06:21:15 http://liliputing.com/2016/05/vorke-v1-200-mini-pc-4gb-ram-celeron-j3160-processor.html http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/v1_03-680x431.jpg http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/v1_02.jpg http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/v1_04.jpg Hey, this is a good example of the sort of stuff Intel just cut off at the knees by saying they weren't going to make the low end chipsets any more. I feel some sympathy for these little guys who spent the last year and a half working on this new product and are just getting it to market --- just in time to get cut off about shin high to a billy goat by good 'ol Intel's "abandonment" move. I hope they can recover using a suitable ARM chipset ...... and I also wonder what the real landed cost of the product will be since all the price supports went away last week. It ain't no $200 any more, for sure ...... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/30/16 at 14:21:35 http://liliputing.com/2016/05/arm-unveils-cortex-73-mali-g71-graphics-vr-augmented-reality.html OK, we got Intel dumping off all its production on its low end chipsets. We got MS saying they ain't going do low ball no more. We got all the low end PC boys going smash all hard up against the abrupt ugly wall put up by these dual moves by the big Wintel boys ....... is there no joy in Mudville at all tonight? Yes, there is !!!! MUCH more better stuff is coming by the end of this year!!!! ARM just uncorked their 10 nm chipset designs for next year !!! ARM is going to have a 10 nm generation of chipsets and all the little guys get to go play, not just Qualcomm. With new, super powerful Mali G-71 VR graphics support being completely natural to the generic 6 and 8 and 10 core chipsets !!! And 5-G and 6-G mobile data speed support built in from the beginning !!! ARM Cortex-A73 CPU technology, meanwhile, is said to offer 30 percent better sustained performance and power efficiency over Cortex-A72… at least when manufactured using a 10nm FinFET process. This is a 30% speed improvement over a Qualcomm 810 - 820 chipset, so it isn't going to be a slug by any means. http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/cortex-a73.jpg Cortex-A73 chips should be able to support peak frequencies as high as 2.8 GHz and to keep on running at top speeds for a longer time than most other mobile chips have been able to do so far. No throttling, unlike the Intel and Qualcomm processors have been plagued with lately. While using only simple heat sinks and thermal pipe cooling systems, nothing esoteric or fan power energy consuming, unlike what Intel, Qualcomm and Samsung had to do this past year. Like most of ARM’s recent designs, chip makers can use big.LITTLE technology to pair high-performance Cortex-A73 CPU cores with lower-performance cores in the same chip. So we could, for example, see multi-core processors featuring both ARM Cortex-A73 and Cortex-A53 CPU cores ============================ GRAPHICS !!!! OH MY !!!!! Mali-G71 is based on ARM’s brand new graphics architecture, called “Bifrost,” and it’s said to offer 50 percent better graphics and a 20-percent improvement in power efficiency over Mali-T880 graphics. http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/mali-g71.jpg With 32 shader cores, ARM says these new graphics chips could be better than those you’d find in many mid-range laptops today. Yep, better than Intel's new and improved on board graphics just out this past year and functionally obsolete already ,,,,,, Bifrost is also optimized for the new Vulkan graphics API, the exact same API that is used in PC gaming today. Serious gaming, in other words. Built into the chipsets from the get go. Smells kinda like a low-to-midrange laptop replacement chipset, doesn't it? Something that could run off your phone while shining up on the big screen and doing some serious games by golly. :D PREDICTION: Given some time, somebody is going to design a wall socket powered variant of these chipsets that is super cheap to build which can replace all of what Intel and MS just dumped off production on this past week. With better cost posture and better graphics and large cheap production ability and ease of design for production at say, 16nm ??? Mediatek, Allwinner and Rockchip will all 3 get licenses for this chipset for 2017 as once again they can nip right at the heels of the big boys spec-wise. Rockchip is already in the laptop business, making RK3288 chipsets for chromebooks that come from Haier and others. Expect more offerings of stronger products from Rockchip and the others as the Android Laptops commence shipping this fall. Chromebooks will tend to go upscale using more powerful AMD and Intel chipsets, leaving Android laptops to run off of ARM chipsets at a lower price/feature point. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/01/16 at 01:41:25 https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-mass-producing-industrys-first-512-gigabyte-nvme-ssd-in-a-single-bga-package-for-more-flexibility-in-computing-device-design Super Small SSD's soldered directly on to phone motherboards, here She comes ...... Samsung has full production outed the 10-14nm little SSD memory module they have been rumoring about. Some parts are littler than other parts since there can be 5 or more layers on each tiny little SSD card, and even the single chip versions are built from stacked layers made at different lithography levels. Read, and catch how incredibly SMALL this thing is ..... sucks no big power, makes no excess heat. Single chipsets that could be tucked into a phone motherboard with no problem, giving 128 or 256 or 512 megs of fast memory to go into any mobile device. http://https://img.global.news.samsung.com/global/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/BGA_SSD_Main_3_2.jpg How small can it be again? The full card as shown is 5x 512 gig, the skinny card is 3x 512 gig, and the single chip is worth 512 gig. http://https://img.global.news.samsung.com/global/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/BGA_SSD_Main_2_2.jpg It is expensive right now, but will eventually do what all electronic packages tend to do -- become cheaper and cheaper over time (and competition). |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/01/16 at 02:32:51 http://liliputing.com/2016/05/amd-stony-ridge-chips-promise-big-boost-for-value-laptops.html AMD Stony Ridge chips promise big boost for “value” laptops AMD to the low end rescue ..... you knew it was coming, right? http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/amd-7_05.jpg Still, AMD says the low-end laptop space has been stagnant in recent years when you look at performance. And while the company clearly made the decision to move to Excavator CPU cores before Intel announced its plans to cancel its next-gen Atom processor, it sure seems like Intel’s decision leaves an opening for AMD’s new chips which should offer better performance at the same low price point. Intel isn’t giving up on the low-power space altogether. The company does have it’s new Apollo Lake processors for notebooks and 2-in-1s coming soon. But AMD seems to be positioning its entry-level Stony Bridge processors as higher-performance alternatives that should offer better CPU and graphics performance. We’ll have to wait a little while to find out if that’s true under real-world conditions, but AMD does say that the new A9 processor, for example, offers 50 percent better single-threaded CPU performance than an equivalent 6th-gen AMD A8 processor, and a 36 percent boost in graphics performance. Overall, the company says the AMD A9 chip will be able to go head-to-head with Intel’s Core i3 Skylake-U chips at a competitive price. Intel jest can't stand it, you know that, right? AMD moving into its old turf, that is. And saying out loud that Intel has been stagnant for several years now. And now both AMD and ARM are announcing chipsets that totally trounce what Intel has to offer (even if Intel is only planning on using up the existing warehouse stocks of low end chipsets with no new production planned). The theoretical low end replacement, Apollo Lake, is planned to be about a year away right now, you know. And now those warehouses full of existing chips are said to be getting moldy??? Aaaauuugh !!! Intolerable !!!! Load the brown vapor cannons at once !!! Arrange to move out all those outdated chipsets ASAP before they get totally lapped and obsoleted !!! Put Apollo lake into production right now, whether it is ready or not !!! If anything ego driven can get Intel out of its self-imposed non-competitive doldrums, AMD just did it. A really big DOUBLE HANDFUL of coarse road salt, tossed into Intel's huge open oozing fiscal wounds ...... :o ...... hear Chipzilla scream and roar in anger (and in pain) as it flails around on its side in the fresh fallen snow ...... Can raw insults and terrible ego-pain drive the big monster to get back up on its feet again? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/01/16 at 07:52:28 ...... and 2 hours later ...... "I'm excited to tell you that two new products will be coming from Intel later this year: Apollo Lake for the value and entry-level PC, 2-in-1 and tablet, and the 7th Generation Core, formally codenamed Kaby Lake, will be coming later this year. We have over 400 designs coming to market on the Seventh Gen Core, and you can expect lots of innovations from our OEM partners bringing this product to market," said Intel's General Manager of Intel's Client Computing Group Navin Shenoy said during Intel's Computex 2016. Wow, we interrupt this Client Computing Presentation at Comdex to fire off the BIG LONG RANGE Brown Vapor Blast Cannon again to blurr up the current embarrassing issues with us having no real current low end chip to produce ..... The New York Times has reported the truth, that the intended current low end Intel chipsets had no real performance gains to offset the very poor yield numbers that Intel was getting off of them. According to Intel, if they can't sell it at a profit, they need to simply not make it. Apollo Lake isn't cooked yet, but be sure that good yield numbers and a low real cost has got to be part of the recipe, or else Intel will likely not make that one either. Other than this, remember that Intel is stuck at 14nm and is NOT ABLE TO MAKE ANY REAL AMOUNTS OF BETTER PERFORMANCE, all they can really do is move some deck chairs around and have the band play louder. Relabeling existing Intel designs (by upgrading the graphics a little bit) is all that Intel has been able to do for two years now, so AMD's accusation of Intel's performance stagnation is fairly correct actually. ======================================== http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/apollo-lake.jpg And the supposed real facts come out several days later -- Apollo Lake isn't going to be Apollo Lake, it is really in fact the Goldmont chipset that had been decided to be skipped over as it didn't do anything good for anybody except cost more. This means when the "Apollo Lake" low end chipsets flops miserably when shipped later on this year (amongst strong hoots of derision from all the computer press) Intel can then immediately bring forward their real Apollo chipset, naming it something else more wondrous sounding of course. ::) :P :-? And if it is only 30% better than it used to be, then it will really just about equal the competitor's chipsets that have already been being shipped in full production for over half a year already. Who would be stupid enough to redesign their low end wares for a more expensive Intel chipset that just has same as -- same as performance ???? :-? Got a bunch more contra-revenue to spend, Intel ???? After you flop the Goldmont stuff, nobody is going to trust you for very much, you know. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/11/16 at 05:34:36 Microsoft is gearing up to fully enclose the Win 10 space, throwing up some new blockages to aggravate the old Win 8.1 and Win 7 users to go out and buy a new Win 10 machine. Please understand, any 10 year old plus OS has NO GUARANTEE TO WORK ANY MORE, not from Apple, not from Google, not from MS, not from anybody. Old stuff gets moldy and gets dropped, as does old hardware. Even Linux drops support for items that old, but since the replacement OS installations are free that isn't any sort of issue with using Linux. Plus, with Linux you can get support for ALL of that old hardware, naturally self-installing when you use a DVD to install your favorite Linux flavor of the month. And Linux does not play monkey games with you, breaking things on purpose as MS has been doing of late. ::) ...... please remember, there isn't anything wrong with your Win 7 or 8.1 era hardware, it can run Linux quick like a scalded dog, much much faster than it can run Windoze 10. Windows 10 has some built in slow down issues, like 4-6 ads placed on the actual OS pages by MS, ads that HAVE TO OPEN ALL THE WAY before you are allowed to go on to your next screen. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/11/16 at 05:51:14 Right now, this summer, what are your choices? Buy a Win 10 machine and have your arse owned by MS. Buy an Apple machine (pricy but fairly good). Buy a Chrome OS machine, one that can run all of Android and several different Linux distros. Will require you to learn some stuff though, and we know how you hate learning stuff ..... OR, short term, you can load you a Linux Mint DVD on your existing hardware and get away from MS for right now, especially since MS seems to want to aggravate you to death and in essence coerce and force you into buying all their stuff piecemeal. My Recommendation: Sit on your hands through Christmas, just wait for it. Do not buy anything new at this point in time ..... We have a revolution coming with SSD style memory and systems memory merging into one of the 3 competing new memory types and getting both huge and VERY FAST and very very cheap. This memory change will boost overall machine performance quite a bit, really. It will also result in OS changes as HUGE fast caches will be the order of the day from now on out, making all forms of software run faster and better. You will have a multi-gigabyte "faster than current systems memory" RAM drive available for you to run your OS upon. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 06/11/16 at 07:31:31 Disc player on my PC won't work not sure if MS or just cheap disc player worked fine one night, next night, it'll display 'fbi warning' and nothing more |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/11/16 at 12:36:09 To find out if your DVD / CD drive is bad or if MS is monkey frickn' wid you, simply stick your Mint disc in your DVD / CD drive and turn the machine completely off, count to 10 and turn it back on again -- report what happens. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 06/11/16 at 13:54:03 Hello OF, with seven weeks of free upgrade left, do you have any idea of the current number of upgrades? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows Post by Oldfeller on 06/11/16 at 17:27:54 Count is between 300 million and 400 million -- but the largest increase happened just last month and this large chunk of customers are screaming that they didn't always choose to proceed with the upgrade, it just happened. And now all their stuff isn't working right any more ...... This is a direct effect of MS changing the update screens in a manner that is both deceptive and misleading. We have testimony of several list members who were caught out in this dirty tricks sort of approach, and they didn't like it a bit. Microsoft is reeling from accusations of fraud and misleading practices as large numbers of machines IMMEDIATELY BROKE due to drivers issues, especially on older machines that had hardware items inside them that depended on VENDOR DEVELOPED DRIVERS that were never MS natural drivers. Several consumer protection agencies have rung in now and MS is backpedalling quickly to a more clear and considerate language about starting the upgrades. However, the complaints are still continuing based on already installed versions of the upgrade software that are still using the dirty tricks menus and conniving to get users to respond in a way that leads to "misunderstood upgrades". Microsoft is desperate -- the upgrade parade had stalled out completely so they resorted to what they thought they needed to do to get it back started again. This is proving to have been a mistake. Many users have intentionally disabled the chain of updates that are needed by MS for a proper and safe upgrade, and then MS is 'erroneously firing off the upgrade' by misdirection without all the needed pieces actually being in place. Danger, Will Robinson, Danger !!!! :( |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 06/11/16 at 18:18:22 Interesting, I remember being scheduled for an upgrade about May the 17th. I clicked a button cancelling this, but I wonder how many others simply didn't realise it was going to happen. It may have been one of your posts that warned me of it. Now I check the Get Win 10 icon every day, and then turn it off. So far I haven't had issues, but then I don't play games or use accounting software or anything. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/11/16 at 18:18:26 I went to my gaming partition to see what was up, everything seemed exactly as it was last month when I last used it. Then I tried to reboot back to Linux AND MS STARTED A MASSIVE CHAIN OF UNAUTHORISED DOWNLOADING AND AUTO-INSTALLATIONS OF VARIOUS UPGRADE PACKAGES. This activity was totally locked down and should NOT have been able to happen. MS has been playing games with my machine too. I aborted the mess (long press on the start button still works) and went back to Linux on the subsequent reboot .... If the machine is all busted up on the Windows 7 partition I still have my installation disk to try reinstalling it, and one remaining month to get through before the Win 10 attacks are due to stop happening forever. Next month I will be rolling over to Linux Mint 18, Mate edition which is supposedly able to be installed over the internet, replacing Mint 17.3 naturally without fouling up anything else. We shall see. If I am hosed up by MS, I should reinstall Win 7 after the Win 10 invasions have stopped, then set up my Linux Mint 18, Mate version so the new boot table is correctly configured. Goal is to have a genuine Win 7 gaming partition that is NOT A PAIN IN THE ASS ALL THE TIME and just run Linux for all day to day stuff. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 06/12/16 at 08:06:15 I'll have to hunt that disk up when I try to play a movie the 'fbi warning' you always see before a movie comes up, then it just stays on the screen and nothing else happens |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/16/16 at 02:49:40 http://liliputing.com/2016/06/acer-introduces-remix-os-powered-laptop.html http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/es1.jpg Acer begins selling Android laptops (in China, where the demand is greater). This is a Win 10 machine loaded with Remix OS, so it is grossly over-powered for processor and memory, etc. Cost will be about the same, but the machine is coming out of the gate as a "grossly overpowered, high end" Android laptop, instead of a relatively weak Win 10 unit as it was last week. Also note, Remix OS works on all standard hardware now, as that is what this laptop actually is. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 06/18/16 at 08:41:49 5E4D4B485A5D5D3F0 wrote:
Try a music CD.... or a different movie DVD, if you are using a standard movie disc, try a blue ray.... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 06/18/16 at 09:18:13 Well, because Art is attempting to find his mint disc, I went looking for mine and was going to try to use mint 17 (32bit) on my win 10 machine. Guess what? I cannot even get this machine to open the disc on startup. I even went into my bios settings and disabled "secure boot" so that I could load anything I wanted. Still a NO GO.... The disc works, I have it up and running on my little 14" laptop right now.... So, I guess I am going to have to call HP and find out why they are blocking me from using another Operating system on MY machine.... I purchased this HARDWARE and it is MINE to use as I see fit.... I paid cash for it and can load ANY operating system I desire. If I have to I will yank the hard drive and put a new one in and load up mint on it and change them out as needed.... but man that will really torque my lower left one. I really do need to build a gaming machine though, and might start purchasing parts one a month or so.... I wonder if win 10 will even let me make a boot disc for mint?? Guess I will have to try :) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by badwolf on 06/18/16 at 10:15:43 Did you check the settings for ''boot order''? It may not be set to boot from disc. Simple to check & change to boot from disc first. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 06/18/16 at 10:24:35 It is set to boot to CD first... I even hear and feel the CD spin up... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Serowbot on 06/18/16 at 11:46:16 5F5C544259545542300 wrote:
Is your Mint disc an ISO file?... It sounds like your Bios is trying to boot to it, but not finding a bootable file... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/18/16 at 13:16:50 I'd be finding Something that would respond to a Boot. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 06/18/16 at 13:57:53 706F696E73744575457D6F63281A0 wrote:
It would be much more satisfying to find someone from MS to BOOT! |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/18/16 at 15:53:30 Ohhh, the idea is just delicious! I nominate Bill Gates. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/19/16 at 05:15:57 595A52445F525344360 wrote:
:( Good luck with that -- you have allowed MS to build up the walls of their walled garden on your machine to the point now that they have become PRISON WALLS and you are locked up inside them. You can try to break down the walls with a pure basic ...... format c:/s ..... but here is the rub -- the /s extension (install basic booting only) installs EFI Secure Boot right on the new drive's boot partition. AND if you have bought a new HP machine, the EFI Secure Boot is on a Bios Eprom chip that is started before the machine even tries to find your boot drive or disc or flash drive. Microsoft intends to own your ass --- and they have made some serious moves to do so. Go to the web and look around --- some folks have "bootable" fix it CDs that lack the current lock in parts that can get you started. But if you install a Windows version you can expect MS to put it all back on your machine at night pretty quickly. :( |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/19/16 at 05:24:41 My wife is trying now out Win 10 on Grandma's machine to see if she can live with it --- My wife is not a very happy camper right now, my very pretty generally happy wife. Her mother, alias Grandma, hit the Win 10 software and gave up on computers completely because it is "all too confusing for me". First words out of my wife's mouth were "I want your machine" so I told her she could go use it and try it out --- but she quickly found there is no MS showing on it anywhere and she is lost without her familiar world (even as slow and awkward as a MS operating system is to use). She's like you, mentally captured by MS (and a large unwillingness to try anything strange or new). Sad part is this is the old Dell machine I set up EXACTLY like her old MS machine so she could use it when she needed to -- even set up LibreOffice to default save to her school's exact same format to make that part a no-brainer. She can get on the machine and navigate around and find her dropbox and open her stuff up but she hits up on lots of little road blocks that throw her off her stride when she attempts to do some work. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/19/16 at 05:44:45 Old_Rider, Is it a DVD drive? Gotta watch out, Mint went to DVDs several years ago when the software grew too big and all the discs are DVDs for any of those "most modern" versions. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 06/19/16 at 07:50:19 4340485E4548495E2C0 wrote:
Try a music CD.... or a different movie DVD, if you are using a standard movie disc, try a blue ray....[/quote] First thing I did was try a movie I had watched the prior day with no problems I don't hear the disk spin up :/ still can't find that disk, it's one of those "I'll put it here so I'll know wher it is" "where the f*** did I PUT that motherf*****?" deals |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/19/16 at 11:58:44 You looked in the movie's disk carrier? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 06/19/16 at 20:37:27 Microsoft forum answer: The problem is most likely that your newer PC uses UEFI, not BIOS, and the install media you made for Linux uses BIOS, not UEFI. You generally can change the UEFI so it boots into Legacy mode, but that would mean that you would not then be able to run Win10 since it was installed in UEFI mode. I'll be looking into that tomorrow..... ain't playing with it tonight...cause I tend to cuss at the machine when it don't do what I want, and momma's asleep and has to get up early :) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/20/16 at 02:32:54 http://liliputing.com/2016/06/android-apps-chromebook-video.html http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/chromebook-flip-android.jpg The very first of the Android using Chromebook laptops from the big suppliers are starting to ship now. Google has done something neat since it is DEFINED HARDWARE that is used on each type of Chromebook -- when you go to the Play Store to get Android Apps the apps that will not work with your hardware (lack of touchscreen, motion sensor, GPS sort of stuff) are grayed out so you don't try to buy them. Moral of this story is that if you swing cheap on buying your Android wielding Chromebook and don't get good hardware, your recommended choices in the Play Store will get cropped accordingly ...... This will also play if you go pure Android on the laptop ..... but since it will be "an open game" in Android nobody is going to be watching out for you like Google does on the Chromebooks. Do not be surprised that mostly powerful ARM based "full featured system on a chip" mobile chipsets that are getting used in these Android using Chromebooks as the Android Apps do actually use all the built in "system on a chip" mobile features. Intel lacks these features at this point in time. ::) ::) ::) ::) ..... you can hear poor ol Intel jest a whimpering in the background as they ain't got no mobile capable chipsets ...... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 06/20/16 at 08:40:51 584741465B5C6D5D6D55474B00320 wrote:
The Linux disk, wherever it is, is still in the paper holder it was shipped in, but I did check the movie holder in case of creeping senility, nope, not there |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/20/16 at 13:01:27 Everything I ever lost for a while but eventually found has always been in the last place I looked.. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/20/16 at 18:49:37 Interesting that you guys are struggling right now with "wildly aberrant" machine CD/DVD functions as you try to do your computer upgrades -- there is a big move right now to go to the web and the cloud to download entire Linux upgrade packages as background tasks since the whole bios/uefi thing is now playing very badly against the current music and movie DVD copy protection schemes as are force-implemented on new equipment now-a-days. In short, the next version of Linux Mint 18 (Mate) is going to be a "single click" on a menu choice in a menu box that shows up in your current Mint version when the upgrade is ready. Next, you will have to chose (as part of your installation click choices) to install non-FOSS standard, Vendor Created copy protected video and audio codex to have all of the 100% full functional capability in Linux Mint (as is still permitted by French laws). This used to be the installation default condition, but will now have to be "chosen" here in the USA. This should give you 100% support for your odd audio and video cards, etc, as long as your vendor still does support his custom drivers, drivers that his old hardware so definitely requires. If the card vendor quits supporting the drivers for his cards and pulls the old ones off his web site then the last FOSS supplied equivalent driver is used, which works, but not as completely as the proprietary vendor driver used to. This steps around the current MS Win 10 "it just died on me" issues fairly well, I think. HOWEVER, Mint 18 is going to be quite different animal as far as security items goes -- much more of this new security level will show in daily use as compared to past versions. Change, she comes ...... FOSS is going to simply walk around all that MS BS blockage, in other words. It also walks past the dead DVD drive issues as well (providing the DVD isn't truly dead that is). Also note please, The New Win 10 machines are coming out stock with 4-8 gigs of systems memory. Why? Because MS Win 10 needs 8 gigs to try to get their crappy new OS to run faster than molasses since the new Intel processors are really not any faster than the previous generations. AMD called it -- Intel has been totally stagnant for 2 years now, no real progress in processor speed whatsoever, just extra layers of smoke and window dressing. Because of this, MS is requiring twice the systems memory that it used to require just to run "so-so". Give any Linux or Chrome 4-8 gigs of systems memory to play with and watch it blaze up in speed as the whole OS can exist totally live in systems RAM all the time ...... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 06/22/16 at 06:02:26 I have an AMD A10-5750M APU with Radeon HD Graphics 2.5GH With 8 gig of ram And it STILL runs like a 486DX2 whenever ads are running on a page. Its the only thing that drives me nutz. Having to wait until ads are loaded to even scroll down a page, and if one of the ads is a gif or changes every thirty seconds to a different ad, I am STUCK and can only type one letter every 3-6 seconds when posting. My fix? I just close every tab that runs more than one ad, bingo! i'm good. Yahoo sux at this, and that is what I have set for my main email address. It has like six different advertisements running at one time, and some of them are the thirty second changing ones, so I am constantly running slow. The other thing? SECURITY.... Win 10 checks EVERYTHING, and everything must have an approved certificate or you get the warning at the bottom...and have to click to approve or disapprove. Drives a person crazy I say! That and every time you do a search, yup, until you do another search the windows fetch grabs ads that "might interest you". My poor hard drive never stops running when I have yahoo open, and I very rarely get below 60% disc usage (until I close yahoo). I hope that MINT 18 will fix my UEFI thing... I really would like to see what Linux will run like on a 2.5GH 8gig ram machine. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 06/22/16 at 07:36:35 Well I wasn't trying to upgrade, the fool player decided not to play my new movie, then wouldn't play the older one, either At this point I really wish I'd bought a tablet instead of this machine this morning I got an update notice telling me to go to 'computer' 'settings' and install Dunno if that might be win 10 I attempted top go to 'computer' 'settings' to see what was there and couldn't find it MS fail due to user incompetence ;D |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/23/16 at 01:04:29 7E7D756378757463110 wrote:
Mint isn't perfect, but it always gets better between upgrades. It is fully functional at this point in time, something that Win 10 is also closing in upon. Mint is ad free, and it does support Adblock Plus, which I use to REMOVE ALL ADS from all pages. Mint does not try to "own" your computer, you control what goes on. Ads everywhere are becoming more and more of a slow down irritant in MS's world, both the MS browsers and the OS itself are choked with ads. Mint doesn't have this per se, but it will load whatever your browser puts forth, so I recommend using Adblock Plus to kill all the ads on a Mint based computer. I think you will be pleased with the Mint 18 experience (once you load Adblock Plus that is) on a Chrome browser (Chrome is faster than Firefox consistently now) I still use both of them occasionally for when one of them gets an update tummy ache and I have to switch over until the bad poopy passes on. Computing has devolved to the point it becomes "which setup gives me the least headaches". For less than $100 I can buy a full sized desktop Dell lease return unit being resold for cheap because MS won't honor the OS sticker on the machine and it has "no OS". As long as the DVD drive reads (and they all do, they are all tested) I can slam a Mint DVD in and have it set up and running well inside a half an hour. :) Linux Mint, gotta love it ..... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 06/23/16 at 22:10:58 What CPU/video is on those under $100 dollar Dells? And were can I get one? I cannot get the disc to read on this 17" HP pavilion.... will Mint 18 fix the UFI thing? Because if it doesn't, Mint will be useless to me on this laptop, so I'll just load up 18 on the little laptop and see if I can get wine to run the DViewCam program for my security system. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/23/16 at 23:31:23 Finally, something that I can watch from a distance and not get sucked into. Ignorance Can be Bliss! |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/24/16 at 01:27:50 4A4941574C414057250 wrote:
You need to have a drop in video card as all lease machines come to you with the built in Intel graphics they shipped with. I keep swapping in the same gaming video card into each machine as the kitty fluff slowly kills the fans in them one at a time. ;) Think of bottom feeding these lease returns as if you were a big ol catfish trolling the river bottom feelering yourself out something to eat ...... First, you identify who has just gotten a large batch of units in off of lease ..... they stick out on Ebay pretty large, sometimes on Amazon too. There are generally 2-3 sticking out pretty large at any given point in time. Next, watch their deals and their various sites (especially their Ebay site) -- you are looking for items that slip out of the cracks due to being pieced together from old units or having to have a hard drive replaced (losing their MS OS certification in the process of doing that). These are the ones that get sold off for cheap just to get rid of them. Looking briefly, I see moderately high prices right now for lease returns that do have Win 7 that is active, those higher prices should nose dive again as soon as the "Free Win 10 thing" ends. Things that come off lease "relatively old" to what is generally coming off lease right about then get dumped off cheap too. Point to remember is this -- Linux Mint does not require the 3.x gigahertz processor and up to 4-8 gigs of systems memory that is included in all of these machines. It does not require a massive hard drive either -- 80 gigs is way way more than is required. Linux Mint can survive very very nicely in a 30 gig partition with lots of expansion room still left in the 30 gigs ( I have done 20 gig partitions and still had lots of room ). |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/24/16 at 01:44:36 Grandma's Win 10 machine has come to live at my house, it is now Momma's new machine. I have a Win 10 machine to deal with all the time now. :-/ First impression is that MS has stuck a bunch of new stuff on to the machine with the nightly download stuff -- literally could not get it to start up because it sensed that I had "stolen the machine" and was harassing me for old MS passwords from many years ago that were originally attached to my wife's school email account. Pain in the ass, but sorta explainable. The fact you CANNOT get rid of the log in BS everytime you crank up the machine, not so explainable. Solution, Momma's new machine stays on all the time ...... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/24/16 at 03:00:25 http://liliputing.com/2016/06/chrome-os-update-makes-android-apps-chromebook-flip.html http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/close.jpg http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/chromedroid_01.jpg OK, Chrome OS running Android Aps is out for real on one machine, and it has already been fixed/updated in the very first week to fix anything problematic found by end users. Google is doing MUCH better about responding to people's feedback than MS did during the early stages of Win 10 -- and Chrome OS is MUCH more mature than Win 10 ever was at roll out time, so that also plays to make the early user folks happier. Part of this has to be that each Chromebook machine has consistent hardware and as you roll one "on" you can focus on your fixes very specifically for that Chromebook. Google Play Store App vendors are also humping it to get the grayed out check marks off of their product offerings, as they are losing sales to those apps that have already been reworked and are completely suitable for Chromebook use. As far as cracking into Big Business, Chromebooks can now run MS Office in 3 different ways, a Chrome OS load, an Android load or an on-line free MS Office instance. Running Android apps off line is dirt easy to do on a Chromebook -- if the apps have any issues they are grayed out in the Play Store when you go looking at them -- so the applications programmers are being quick to modify the existing programs to suit the new venue as that is new life for old software that is fairly easily gotten by a quick mod or two. Chromebooks are now a full spectrum competitive OS product to MS, and you can expect MS to start strongly locking all their stuff down to keep it from getting away from them. ========================================== Android First Android laptops have begun shipping in China from Acer and others, once they mature a bit you can expect them to start showing up at Walmart and Amazon as the new low cost leader. BTW, Google sez their internalized form of free floating windows and task bar are not coming out with N, but with the next flavor after that. Jide and Phoenix OS are what is being used in the Orient right now, and both are continuing to refine themselves and get even better (and Google follows along as the little pilot fish leads). Chromebooks will be $250 to $350 and Android laptops will be $150 to $250. Microsoft and Intel seem to be looking the $350 and up price range as their natural turf. Apple starts at $700 and goes up to well over a thousand bucks ...... ======================================== Apple and MS Apple is being hurt by Chromebooks right now as they are similar in response speed and unit weight and configuration types. A Mac Air or a Chromebook, $500+ difference in price giving roughly similar user experiences once purchased. Windows has lost their entire low end of their sales spectrum to Chromebooks already, with the deluxe upper end Chromebooks nibbling away at the middle now ....... frantic attempts to lock people into the MS walled garden is only working with those who are inflexible and cannot use anything but Windows. Folks are figuring this stuff out right and left .... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/24/16 at 08:44:56 4D6E6664676E6E6770020 wrote:
That's some crummy deal. If you can't win it, I sure wouldn't want to need to. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/25/16 at 02:11:33 Justin, Win 10 is NEVER finished, it is always being developed. They expect you to accept this world view of their product because it endlessly explains the screwed up stuff that happens week to week on Win 10, stupid stuff that would have had the PC press corps howling all the time previously ...... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/25/16 at 02:30:35 Chromebooks in Business and in Education. Chromebooks took over Education in the last 3 years due to being much cheaper and much easier to administer. NO IT STAFF is required to do a Chromebook implementation, the teaching and admin staff can handle it easily. Small business is beginning to use Chromebooks, because the young people running those businesses went to school on Chromebooks and know durn well what they can do. It is far cheaper to implement and easily done. Large Corporations are slowly phasing in some Chromebooks (along with the company wireless intranet needed to support them) but only in certain use cases. IT driven corporations will be VERY VERY slow to adopt anything that does not require a huge IT staff -- self interest shows its head here. Chromebooks actually have very good internal security features, and as long as the company wireless intranet has sufficient security all is well so far. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/25/16 at 06:05:48 My wife just got a big blue screen telling her that she was getting "a Major Upgrade / Improvement" from MS's Win 10 crew. Stopped her cold for 10 minutes and had her yelling at me over it (mainly because I was laughing at MickySoft's pure arrogance and stupidity). When it let her have her machine back the font size on everything was TINY and she couldn't even read it. She's hot ...... and I gotta quit laughing about it ....... ;D |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by rl153 on 06/27/16 at 20:22:49 Came across this freeware program that had some good reviews .Thought i'd share. https://www.grc.com/never10.htm |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/28/16 at 02:34:01 People who do not want Win 10 are trusting MS to stop pushing Win 10 when the deadline passes. I think folks are being optimistic -- MS WANTS you on Win 10, they want you firmly locked into their walled garden. Look for the 'hook or crook' to come out during the last month .... some more dirty pool will be played yet again and some more "accidents" are going to happen. MS is not beyond choosing to update you after the deadline date ("because you asked for it on date dd/mm/yy when you clicked "yes" on this screen") and then CHARGING you $119 for doing so if they happen to have your charge card number (and they do, you bought something from a MS supported web site many many moons ago). Microsoft has already forged new pathways into the dark potential deceit forest that go FAR FAR beyond anything Google has ever been accused of doing. Google did make some mistakes early on because they were the very first in the cloud arena and there were no rules against doing what they did -- MS coming along years later has simply made "regrettable code errors" that created the results they wanted, then they "fixed the bad code, sorry". Plus, always remember that YOU ASKED MS TO PUT THEIR SOFTWARE ON YOUR MACHINE AND YOU AGREED TO THE ENDLESS DODGY UPDATES. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 06/28/16 at 06:29:21 So can we sue now and win? http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/unwanted-windows-10-upgrade-costs-microsoft-10000/ |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/28/16 at 07:24:21 Apparently so, ----- this opens the door for a well crafted class action suit on these same exact circumstances. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 06/28/16 at 08:16:31 [quote author=56757D7F7C75757C6B190 link=1452101555/225#226 date=1467106441] People who do not want Win 10 are trusting MS to stop pushing Win 10 when the deadline passes. I think folks are being optimistic -- MS WANTS you on Win 10, they want you firmly locked into their walled garden. Look for the 'hook or crook' to come out during the last month .... some more dirty pool will be played yet again and some more "accidents" are going to happen. MS is not beyond choosing to update you after the deadline date ("because you asked for it on date dd/mm/yy when you clicked "yes" on this screen") and then CHARGING you $119 for doing so if they happen to have your charge card number (and they do, you bought something from a MS supported web site many many moons ago). Microsoft has already forged new pathways into the dark potential deceit forest that go FAR FAR beyond anything Google has ever been accused of doing. Google did make some mistakes early on because they were the very first in the cloud arena and there were no rules against doing what they did -- MS coming along years later has simply made "regrettable code errors" that created the results they wanted, then they "fixed the bad code, sorry". Plus, always remember that YOU ASKED MS TO PUT THEIR SOFTWARE ON YOUR MACHINE AND YOU AGREED TO THE ENDLESS DODGY UPDATES. :-[/quote] It's google's fault, MS didn't know they were stealing defective software. :-? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Serowbot on 06/28/16 at 08:52:36 So,.. am I right about this?. MS wants to get all it's ducks settled into Win10,... so that it can start charging yearly fees for update, maintenance, and security essentials... Sort of a lease agreement... :-? Or,.. in other words... Free software, with an annual maintenance charge?... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by badwolf on 06/28/16 at 09:20:47 I don' know why there is so much hate for all things MS, but if you don't want 10 use this- Never10 is a free app for when you absolutely, positively don't want Windows 10 http://www.pcworld.com/article/3048836/windows/never10-is-a-free-app-for-when-you-absolutely-positively-dont-want-windows-10.html I have 2 media center computers with tv cards in them so 10 would make them useless. I installed this, and POOF! no more nagging. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/28/16 at 10:57:22 Sero, we don't know for sure. MS has not got the same game plan they started Win 10 with, which was one OS that runs on everything. That sorta flopped and was tossed to the side and buried w/out a funeral just recently. To Versy's point, YES MS GOT CAUGHT AGAIN with their hand in the Linux cookie jar and the entire MS .NET arrangement just suddenly became free and open source software. Part of it was getting caught, part of it was MS simply cannot afford to upkeep the .NET software and they hope the FOSS crew will do it for them. So far FOSS has zero interest in their new "winnings", so we shall see how that turns out in the end. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 06/28/16 at 11:08:10 7F7D6E706E6C747D756E1C0 wrote:
Nothing is "free" ;) They have to get something in return... like "advertisement popups" or an "advertisement bar" on the bottom of the screen while the program is running. The No Win10 program runs "in the backround", so what really is it running? you will never know. :-X |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/28/16 at 12:28:47 http://liliputing.com/2016/06/microsoft-make-easier-decline-windows-10-upgrades.html http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/win10-upgrade.jpg Now Microsoft vice president Terry Myserson says the company is updating the design of the upgrade notification to make it easier to understand… and easier to decline. The planned change is coming kind of late in the game. Microsoft’s free upgrade offer is expected to end on July 29th, and it’s likely that the Windows 10 Anniversary Update will launch a few days later. So why the change? It could have something to do with the fact that earlier this week news broke that Microsoft had reached a $10,000 settlement with a user that had a computer update without her permission (Microsoft admits no wrongdoing, but figured it was cheaper to pony up some cash than to continue paying lawyers to fight the claim). Why is MS sweating? When Microsoft launched Windows 10 last summer, the company promised it would be available as a free upgrade for the first year of availability for anyone running Windows 7 or later. And then the company started pushing the free upgrade hard. First, the company pushed out a Windows Update that added an upgrade icon to the system tray. Then the company started tweaking the design of that notification — so that trying to close it could cause a user to inadvertently trigger an upgrade. In other words, MS is liable for the games they played with users's machines and any "upgrade damage" that was done by their dirty tricks (whether accidental or not). So says the judge and jury ...... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 06/28/16 at 15:20:31 Interesting, it only says you can go back to Win 8 and not Win 7. When I tried to read the Never Win 10, or whatever page. I was told I had a "long running script" and the page wouldn't move. It's probably my computer illiteracy that's responsible, but it can't help but make me suspicious that someone doesn't want me to read it. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/28/16 at 17:30:00 If you hacked my computer and screwed it up and I could show it was You and I didn't give permission, you should be held accountable. Now, WHY does MS so Desperately need to get this clearly CRAPTASTIC OS on all the machines out there? Just not enough back doors in Win 7 to make it easy for Interested Parties to snoop, download search histories, steal information,, ? We screwed up your computer. We Gave you Win 10. You can ditch Win 10, but you can't have the OS you wanted to Keep? Yeah, that's freedom. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/29/16 at 02:58:31 6E6777706B6F6177040 wrote:
There is a reason for this .... MS replaces all your drivers with THEIR Win 10 drivers and when you try to go back to Win 7 you are completely screwed, blued and tattooed. The Win 10 drivers now inhabiting your machine WILL NOT WORK WORTH A SHITE WITH WIN 7. They will work "better" with Win 8, not perfectly, but "better". GW Control Panel is the main tool people use to block Windows 10. The other one has some issues that cause it to not work completely all the time, but GW Control Panel has been consistently updated to do the job as correctly as it can be done. http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/2015/08/using-gwx-stopper-to-permanently-remove.html Once again, this downloads a small autonomous .exe file that MODIFIES your Win 7 system and installs bits of alert code as needed. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/16 at 04:27:16 Okay, again, if Win10 sux so bad, people are given Free access to it, and won't load it, but MS develops software to sneak up and Jammit down your throat, Somebody, please, tell me WHY they would go to such lengths to get that OS on your computer.. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/29/16 at 04:55:26 Microsoft has to have untold millions of people each chipping in 6.3 cents per ad click on each of the multiple ads they cram into each page of their OS system. Both Google and MS are paid for by ad dollars, Google is just more subtle and gracious about it. Google isn't as greedy, either. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/16 at 05:13:20 If that is why I'm still not quite getting it.. 7 doesn't have the same advertising access? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/29/16 at 06:31:54 Windows 7 is relatively add free. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 06/30/16 at 00:41:08 7F5C5456555C5C5542300 wrote:
Well technically you yourself are not paying the 6.3 cents per ad.... but you are helping them make money by just opening a page with an ad on it. That is how free services make their money, Yahoo has TONS of ads running on its home screen. When you click on a news story from yahoo, there are also ads on the National and Local news sites. Advertisement companies pay the URL owners cents per "ad shown", meaning when you open said page, the ad is "shown" If you want to have an internet address (open your own site), you could set up how ever many advertisements you want, and actually by the end of the year end up with extra cash even after you pay for the use of the address. John has two ads on this page.... every time one of use opens a different page and the ad pops up... he gets paid. Helps offset the cost of running the site. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/30/16 at 01:17:33 Now, we are getting into the short strokes and my wife wants to know why I don't put free Win 10 on all my machines. I am going to live another 20 years or so, generally speaking. All my adult life has been spent taking care of and fixing MS based computers. I have tracked through them professionally as a Quality Engineer since the DOS 3.0 era and the IBM 8088 machines. I have had to buy software and hardware ongoing to FIX the issues created (and allowed to continue unchanged) by MS over all of those years. Linux Mint Mate simply doesn't have most of those issues. Only Windows does because MS is in it for the money and they make more money off of you having to pay vendors for fix it stuff, who in turn have to pay MS very healthy certification fees, etc for them to provide the fix it stuff to you. Example, my wife's little Dymo label printer does not work on Win 10. Why? It was Certified only for Win 7 & 8.1 and drivers were created to that stable certified environment. AND MS WONT MAKE A Win 10 DRIVER FOR IT .... MS provides no small vendor driver support for Win 10 as part of the walled garden unless they ARE PAID ongoing to do so. And DYMO and many other third party driver makers are honest, "until Win 10 becomes more stable and mature no driver we make will run for long, the software keeps changing monthly to make the total complete driver development task undoable." If MS is paid ongoing to do it, they have to re-re-redo it to keep up with the changing Win 10 environment. I pay out very little for machines now, and I pay practically nothing for software. I RESENT being told I have to run out and buy another label printer just to make MS a tiny bit richer. Here is my solution ......... https://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/printer-driver-dymo Now, if the Linux boys and girls can support Dymo printers of all descriptions so simply and easily, then the only reason MS Win 10 and Dymo won't do it is so they can pick your pocket periodically for the cost of a new label maker. And the MS world has done this sort of trash to you SO many times over the past decades -- just think back a bit to all the hardware you have replaced over the years because a new MS OS version choked on it or outright broke it at the upgrade point. Linux doesn't do that. NOTE: Linux took 20 seconds to download and configure and install the Linux Dymo drivers, it did not even require a reboot. Issues with all the Linux softwares that will all now print to the label maker --- durn that is one small landscape page, ain't it? Tough to get your page all set up correctly. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/01/16 at 02:23:58 A large Dymo Value Added Reseller has listed an Beta level "software and driver set" that will work on the old Dymo turbo 400 model for Win 10, apparently an official re-write software effort of some kind is in motion as the VAR is listing some software that is not very finished or complete as yet. It does not even use or translate the old stored label format for all the labels that you have already built, but requires you to re-enter all the data again to be stored in a brand new format. There is no import function that works for the old .lwl format Dymo label data at all. However, it is good enough to bump my wife past her current problems. I simply note that the Linux solution requires the same re-entry of all data and about the same amount of new systems learning as the Beta Win 10 software requires. ::) ....... Windows "fixes" at their finest ....... and this old boy is finished with the wife's Dymo conversion at this point in time. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 07/01/16 at 02:35:01 Just seen the get Win 10 box with the decline free offer thing. It also says you can go back to Win 7 within 31 days. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/01/16 at 03:03:13 Good luck with that, when you put in Win 10 you put in all the Win 10 drivers and your old vendor created/supported drivers are gone forever (unless you got you a full system backup to plunk back down on the formatted blank hard drive that is). |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 07/01/16 at 08:08:20 I still have all my original discs for win 7 that came with my laptop....but when you reload them it goes automatically to the update site, which tells MS that you previously had win 10 and it then downloads the win10 drivers. Of course I was one of the beta guys testing it (and it ran soooo well during testing) so I won't EVER be able to go back. >:( |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/01/16 at 10:17:33 http://www.extremetech.com/computing/230342-report-claims-intel-cpus-contain-enormous-security-flaw http://https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/gjjVJ5sSonpg9HM-u2gzfYda0V4qyGtOISXO1XGYegwq1eomWuuPeJ9qgfhUg0lDFZ3S=s152 Report claims Intel CPUs contain enormous security flaw For the last ten years, Intel has built remote management technology into various motherboards and processors. The Intel Active Management Technology (AMT) system provides system administrators with a method of remotely controlling and securing PCs that functions independently of the operating system, hard drive, or boot state. It’s even capable of running when the system is off, provided the computer is still connected to line power and a network card. AMT doesn’t depend on the x86 processor directly — instead, it’s implemented through a 32-bit Argonaut RISC Core (ARC) CPU that’s integrated into all Intel processors. This microcontroller is part of the Intel Management Engine and is implemented on all Intel CPUs with vPro technology. A new article on BoingBoing argues that Intel’s implementation of the IME and the microcontroller that runs it are fundamentally insecure, cannot be trusted, and could be used to perform potentially devastating exploits. Intel has publicly revealed very little about the precise function of its onboard microprocessor and the security system that guards it — and that, in turn, means that the company is essentially relying on security through obscurity to secure its own standard. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 07/01/16 at 11:34:11 I'm still watching, I haven't clicked the update button. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/01/16 at 16:56:42 Let's be honest, most of you will click on the Win 10 update button fairly soon ....... the very thought of not having MS around actually bothers you some, somewhere in the back of your mind. (MS has worked hard for years, indoctrinating you to get you to feel this way) I used to go over to the wife's Win machine, back up all her work files and compact the hard drive first, then virus check it all carefully with two virus checkers and then compact it again just so I felt like I was keeping up with my required housekeeping chores. I didn't have to do squat with the Linux machine, and I felt sorta left out. No viruses, no compacting, no registry error removal, no root kits, no worms, no excitement ...... I was feeling all under-utilized in Linux. Then the wife's old machine blew up in a major sort of fashion, required some major recovery work, lost a chunk of her data and after 2 days of heavy futzing I got all reality checked on the whole thing --- Linux just works better, sticks around better and is a lot faster running to boot. ;) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 07/01/16 at 20:13:52 Over the years I have been a big fan of windows defender software. After a short stint with MacAfee's and Nortons (both massive memory hogs), I gave up all security software and concentrated on making my modem and router control most of my security stuff. Of course logging onto a "suspicious" site would always be a trying experience but I NEVER had an issue. This past week while doing my normal daily yahoo news peeking, I hit one of those "greyed" in ad sponsor ones because the ads on the side kept reloading the page and I wasn't paying real close attention to where exactly the mouse pointer was when I clicked. Immediately after closing the page I went to, Defender lit up and told me it was removing a suspicious file. I don't know what was on the page as I closed it as soon as it opened when I realized my mistake. Today while setting up a new security camera I "had" to download Java yet again. (D-Cam View has to use it) After about 10 minutes of regular web searching Adobe attempted to download and override the "video" emulator.... LOL Defender deleted it before it took over! Funny stuff happening with this new update of win10.. guess i'll have to report it to the dev's.... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/02/16 at 03:39:25 I told you last week that Win 10 took a pass at getting on my gaming partition. I had to shut the machine down to stop it. Now, it has error coded and once it competed all its internal checks it has decided my copy of Win 7 is "not authentic". In the past, this was a can't get over issue, since MS has a database with my machine now ticked as a pirate copy of their software. I lost two previous machines this way (had to go buy a new issue of MS and format the machine to get it to take the new software). This is MS's BS at its finest -- just jerking people around to shake a little more money out of them. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/02/16 at 04:42:41 Recovery was a mixed bag, I got my authorized copy of Win 7 back but I also got back "Free Win 10" in the process. OK, the future of Windows does not include Win 7 and I plan to live long enough to eventually have to buy a copy of Win 10 for my gaming partition once all the support items for Win 7 starts to "break accidentally" in a couple of years. I feel that cold needle sliding in behind my eyeball, I do. I accidentally touched the button with the mouse and Win 10's upload started again, and this time I am not going to stop the machine to stop it. :P |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/02/16 at 05:22:03 The very first thing broken, even before the installation was even completed, was Google Chrome browser. I am posting from the wife's machine right now as after over an hour of working on it my Win 10 installation is only 85% complete. :-? What did you expect from Microchoke ???? Fairness ???? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/02/16 at 06:21:49 I got stuck at 91% on the Win 10 install, this turns out is a "known issue" that is due to 3rd party anti-virus being used. De-installed all non-MS antivirus items and the clock then ticked up to 93%, very very slowly. ================== While I was deleting broken stuff, I deleted the MS broken Chrome installation, then I used the box stock MS Explorer to go get me a new copy. Getting through the web took me 8-10 minutes using MS Explorer just due to MS porky slow plus waiting for all the ad sites to load up so I could go on to the next click. Got to Google.com finally. Told it I wanted Chrome for Windows 10-8.1-8.0-Win7 and hit go. Google is playing with MS a little bit, they detected this was a new Win 10 installation with no previous Chrome on the MS boot partition --- and then Google had a little blurb pop up about MS Edge browser erroneously saying it is a lot faster than Chrome. Then Google said, Let's Find Out On your mark, get set, GO !!!! Inside 10 seconds Google had put Chrome browser on the machine and had installed all my bookmarks, etc. which they stored on my Google Drive. Or maybe they got it from my Linux partition .... who knows? Anyhow, they went and GOT it and set it all up for me, flawlessly and automatically. Inside 10 seconds. Done inside 10 seconds. So, 10 seconds for Google's installation which completed flawlessly ..... and I am now working on my second hour of MS installation which has stalled at 93% yet again, with only two interruptions so far for "Known Issues". :) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 07/02/16 at 07:08:27 My DVD player decided to work again, grudgingly if my machine '10 dies' I will simply get a tablet (and a portable DVD player) so far I think I'm still on 8.1 though |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/02/16 at 07:13:52 MS just locked up totally during the install of Win 10, I used Task Manager to get it all back to going again, and I didn't supposedly lose the Win 10 upgrade that was in progress either. Got all the way up to 96% now. ;D .... go Windows go !!! |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/02/16 at 11:06:42 Stalled again at 99% --- this time folks have no answer about how to get it to bump past the 99% issue except to burn a DVD and use that. ============================ .... supposedly waiting for the next days scheduled MS update can jog the 99% stoppage thing free. I'll wait as I don't like the risk involved in a DVD boot disc reformatting the entire hard drive and scragging all my Linux partitions too. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 07/02/16 at 12:21:50 I'll have to see what happens on July 29th. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by 12Bravo on 07/02/16 at 12:54:25 I can't even update my Windows 7 computer without it messing up. I gets locked into a loop at startup and keeps restarting itself because of some updates not installing correctly. I can't even get Windows 10 if I wanted to until I get 7 updated without it crashing. Computer gets stuck at the point of "preparing to configure Windows" screen during startup. It gets to 100% on configuring and restarts. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by 12Bravo on 07/02/16 at 13:15:33 Well after 5 restarts, all the 7 updates finally took. :-? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/02/16 at 14:02:02 >:( As Versy says, we are upgrading our otherwise sound hardware with pure undiluted MicroCrap ...... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/02/16 at 16:39:25 I started this Win 10 clusterfook at 10:00 am this morning. It is now 7:30 PM and I am 32% done installing MS's wonderful Win 10 Drivers. This is excruciating, and I can prove it is much much slower than watching paint dry as I painted my bike trailer's channel rail high friction gray while I waited for the download to complete and the gray high friction porch paint is dry already. There isn't anything on my Win 10 gaming partition other than Chrome, Steam and a couple of games, so my installation is way quicker than it could have been. Hey, it has taken only 9 hours used up out of my life so far ...... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/03/16 at 03:15:12 Coffee drinking on Sunday morning, with all of Win 10 firmly installed and working ..... Perspective is a nice thing. But you only get it after the fact. For a MS upgrade, it was typical, very time consuming with lots of little "known issues". In fairness, TIME simply could have taken care of the issues ..... -- a lot of time -- more time than you would normally expect. Drivers issues with the Dell big box refurb unit -- Zero Drivers issues with the Asus Silent video card -- so far, none displaying text and graphics. Issues will be only be seen running GAMES, which I haven't tried to do yet. So far, the stuff works OK. My Linux partitions were left alone and my Grub start menu is unchanged. The only thing I have noted problem-wise is that Edge is now my default browser on Windows and I cannot change that back to Chrome because MS won't let me. It is a walled garden, you know. Never forget that. I think those who are considering clicking on the upgrade button need to reserve a whole day of fiddle time and start the thing up the night before while you are sleeping and let it grind all night. Wastes less time that way. And although right now Win 7 is a better OS for what we do, Win 7 ends inside 3 years and you are going to see MS's support go to zero pretty soon for Win 7 consumer level folks like us -- we had our upgrade ship pull up to the dock and we should have gotten on while it was here. If you are currently landlocked into MS, then Win 10 is where I guess you want to be right now as the big steam whistle is blowing now, saying ..... "ALL ABOARD, SHIP IS DEPARTING IN 28 DAYS" |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/04/16 at 02:18:12 Update on the Win 10 numbers Now that MS has been successfully sued by an individual user for $10,000 for illegally upgrading them and messing up their machine --- and MS has chosen to settle by paying the full amount rather than go to court, MS has backed way way way off on the dirty tricks front. However, the number didn't stall. Instead, the installed numbers just jumped by 50 million users and I think the installed numbers will jump again by another 100 million by the end of the month. Why? People were stalling, waiting for MS to make good on their ongoing promises. This didn't/isn't going to happen as MS now holds out a "future carrot", a grand upgrade to take place in the month AFTER the deadline comes and goes. http://us.123rf.com/450wm/dedmazay/dedmazay1202/dedmazay120200002/12356586-pig-rides-on-a-donkey-vector-illustration.jpg?ver=6 There is no great leap forward coming in the next month to make good on all those broken MS promises. Instead, folks are realizing what Win 10 really is. Folks realize that Win 10 uses a fundamentally different "locked down" Bios/EFI boot system on Win 10 and Win 10 is written with HTML inherent in all the code that is used. Java is around still, but not central to anything any more. .NET isn't central any more either. Win 10 is enough different that things written to suit it won't work on the old Win 7 machines much at all going forward. Various vendors are having to write brand new software for their various devices, accordingly. Is Win 10 "good new stuff"? NO, it is a Craptastic walled garden, but it is working. The upgrade and maintenance system is Craptastic, but it is working. We are reminded that NO main Windows version was worth a poot until at least a year after it was shipped, it takes at least that long for MS to catch up to itself. Real finishing and "completion" takes place during the business level roll out, which is where we are headed at the moment. And the cruise ship with your free berth on it is pulling away from the dock in 26 more days ..... Either wave bye bye from the shore or get on the boat and take your chances that it makes the trip without hitting an iceberg. It is Microsoft -- you've done this leap of faith many times before. If you are in any way locked into MS, by all means get on the silly boat while it is still free. Just do it knowing what you are doing and why you are doing it. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/04/16 at 12:44:49 Linux and Chrome, where are they as competitive systems? Linux first, as it has been finished for years now and LINUX HAS FULL GAMING SUPPORT now thanks to Gabe and all the STEAM BOX STUFF, stuff which is also showing up all tucked neatly away inside every Linux Distro as it is all open source Linux goodness. Linux is as good as it has ever been, quick, light, secure and fast. Much more so than MS Windows 10. Sorry boys, I got both systems running on the same hardware in different partitions, and that's just the way it is ..... Linux Mint is FASTER and easier to live with. BTW, another huge chunk of MS core code also just became FOSS btw. Yes I am talking about the .NET stuff that just got "donated" by MS because they felt/saw the camera flash go off last time they stuck their hands into the Linux cookie jar to go get them an upgrade to .NET basic functionality. Knowing the camera had caught them, they donated .NET to FOSS instead of fighting over it in court. This means they can shamelessly stick their hand in for all the rest of it now, as MS is a FOSS supporting company now ....... Watch Win 10 suddenly rotate more and more away from .NET over the next year or so since MS wants to get their locked garden effect to clamp down harder on their end users, just as hard it as it possibly can, actually. The old .NET though, that is "enemy camp stuff" to MS now. Chrome OS is also just about completely finished as a full service OS system --- one that can load several different Linux distros as Crouton tabs, if the user is bold enough to enable programming mode and technical enough to go get it. This means the user is skilled enough to go look up a Crouton web page and follow the cut and paste instructions, taking lines of copy/paste instructions from the web page and dropping it in the Chrome command line box on his own machine and mashing his enter key. Most useful "do real work" Native Android Play Store Applications will also now easily native load on the very newest Chromebooks that are just now coming out. Android as a "drop your cell phone in a cradle main OS" running up on the big screen is still a year and a little bit away, although Ubuntu Linux can do that same trick right now on 3 Linux based phones if you just gotta have it right now. You got choices, yes indeedy you do got choices, and the free one you need to lock down on right now is MS Win 10 as you only got 26 more days left in the free Win 10 upgrade offer. I see nothing wrong in keeping a Windows 10 Gaming Partition on my Linux box --- makes good sense to me as some major games still aren't Steam cooked all the way to perfection just yet. ;) Chromebooks now hold the most value and the largest range of choices, operating in the cleanest fastest fashion. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 07/05/16 at 06:40:07 I loaded the Chrome browser on my system before Win 10.... now it seems to run just as slow as Edge or IE 11. I don't see any other way around it, I am going to have to build a Windows 10 machine period. I will call it my "Gaming Machine", for no other reason than I have several windows based games that I pay to play. A couple of them I have played for YEARS and have time invested in them and simply cannot see just "stopping" the play :) Seeing as if I start over years from now I would have to "catch up" to the current top notch levels of fun already achieved :) When I do get it built.... I will probably have to rebuild every two years, as that is the current expansion rate for boards and chips to keep up with online multiplayer graphics and software. I don't see myself ever stopping at least two of these games, so my dilemma is how big of a gaming machine I should build and how much to spend on it to insure it will last the next 2-4 years. We could always hope a breakthrough in software memory usage will happen and programs will literally take up almost no space on the hard drive and run smooth as silk...NAW... who am I kidding. MS already takes up 1/4 of my 800gig hard drive with its Win 10 program and the back up is HUGE. Remember when windows 3 only took 30 megs of hard drive space? Guess I hit New Egg, Tiger Direct and other places for my stuff... my accounts there should still be in good standing. I haven't built a system in over 5 years (grandpa's) and that one is in his closet replaced by a laptop. Maybe i'll win a lottery or something (if I bought tickets) or some old guy I met in a bar will pass on and leave me his millions (isn't that a song?)....... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/05/16 at 17:04:26 60636B7D666B6A7D0F0 wrote:
Intentional, MS did that on purpose as they HAVE to show that they are as good as the other folks when running on their own OS. If you can't run any faster, then make the other guy run slower -- same difference. I still hold out big hopes for the new generation of "faster than current systems memory" SSD style drives which WILL allow all software to run much faster. First gen of this hits this fall, so we shall see, now won't we? We are talking phones and laptops with terabyte sized super fast SSD memory drives which will make the docked computer phones a really practical thing. Now for some new stuff, fresh from China ..... http://liliputing.com/2016/07/blu-energy-xl-300-smartphone-big-screen-big-battery.html http://liliputing.com/2016/07/tiny-windows-pc-looks-like-alarm-clock.html http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/v6w_02.jpg http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1nT2.KFXXXXctXFXXq6xXFXXXj/202035613/HTB1nT2.KFXXXXctXFXXq6xXFXXXj.jpg?size=29206&height=452&width=960&hash=79dde4feb68de639f272cd26fe9f49bc That alarm clock is a $200 full PC. And check the specs on a cheap big battery BLU phone that just came out. Cheap phones just aren't coming across as feeling cheap any more ........ http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/blu-energy-xl_02.jpg The BLU Energy XL has a 6 inch display and the phone measures 6.3[ch8243] x 3.2[ch8243] x 0.3[ch8243]. It weighs just over 7 ounces. The BLU Energy XL features an octa-core 64-bit processor, 3GB of RAM, 64GB of storage, a fingerprint scanner, and a 1080p display. But its most impressive feature is probably the battery: the phone packs a 5,000 mAh battery which BLU says should last for up to 3 days of regular use or up to 30 days of standby time. The phone features a 1.3 GHz Mediatek 67533 ARM Cortex-A53 octa-core processor and supports 802.11b/g/n WiFi, Bluetooth 4.0, FM Radio, and 4G LTE with support for Voice over LTE. There’s a 13MP rear camera with LED flash and a 5MP front-facing camera with LED flash and an 84 degree wide angle lens. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/05/16 at 17:37:02 Is That ALL? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/05/16 at 17:40:23 ;) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 07/06/16 at 10:11:34 What the quoted "to be" price range of that XL? Might be my next phone... nevermind...found it :) Unlocked to boot! However previous BLU XL Vivo was T mobile only https://www.amazon.com/BLU-ENERGY-XL-Battery-Smartphone/dp/B01GWUXNBE (P.S. removed and re-installed Chrome browser, works better now :) ) (P.P.S. Just found out Verizon does not do sims any longer..... guess i'll have to change services to use an unlocked phone) Final edit: (P.P.P.S. [?]) Had a very long chat session with a representative who explained to me that Verizon "can" make a sim for a phone, they don't like it, but you are the customer. I will have to go to my store or one that does provide the service. See they hate having folks come in with "cheap chinese" super phones that beat up their $700 ones :) The above XL does come unlocked, but... yeah a but... it doesn't support verizon for some reason, or so the reviews state. And THAT is why I will have to go to the store and talk to someone. I will actually go to several stores, so I know for a fact if they have or can do what I will ask of them. Most of the BLU phones I have seen on Amazon show that they work well with AT &T and T-Mobile and a few other secondary providers, but not with Sprint and Verizon.... so whats up with that? EDIT AGAIN: LOL answering my own questions, and hopefully providing information for others. BLU does not work on Verizon or Sprint or any other CDMA phone services, only on GMA types. So... find out what your service using for connection purposes before buying a phone online :) Didn't they use to make phones "quad band" or some such? like a world phone that covers all bands? :-? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/06/16 at 16:51:34 I am several years away from a new phone, just having gotten a nice one for $200 and a fairly mundane one for $29. Phones, I got. I ride the rotten one up on the handlebars as my Google maps mobile GPS ..... and if I can just remember to crank it up under wifi it can read a stored Google map just dandy. Momma needs to accidentally trash her new phone so I can give her my good one and then go phone shopping yet again ..... BLU replaces all their phones yearly -- next year that phone will be being sold off for $149 or less. Low end phones are getting sorta awesome as the OS is the same as the expensive stuff uses and all the low end bits and pieces are the high end stuff from 2 years ago. As cell phone tech plateaus due to no progress in processors, the low end stuff gets to be real close to the top end stuff, excepting the screen resolution which is once again, the top end stuff from 2 years ago. That BLU has 3 gigs of memory, plenty enough to support a big screenable Android OS system. An issue with BLU is whatever OS you buy on it stays on it unless you go change it manually, as BLU does not do "over the air" OS upgrades for much. Issues with people having to do their own upgrading abound, as BLU was never intended to be upgraded and has some gotchas waiting for the at risk upgrader. Lastly, please remember that the USA is seen as a completely saturated Apple loving phone market and absolutely NOTHING NEW cell-phone-ish is being designed with us in mind. Think China and India and you will clue into what markets these new phones were designed to fit. AT&T always gets left out as nobody uses their style of tower system any more but them ...... Mediatek is doing the processors and somebody else Chinese is doing all the other bits and pieces. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/07/16 at 15:50:38 That was quick ...... actually 6 mos sooner than I thought it would be. http://liliputing.com/2016/07/samsungs-ufs-removable-memory-cards-5x-faster-microsd-cards.html Samsung’s UFS removable memory cards are 5x faster than microSD cards http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/ufs.jpg http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/ufs_02.jpg MicroSD cards are tiny, convenient removable storage cards that can be used with some cameras, tablets, smartphones, and other devices. But they’re not exactly super-speedy. Now Samsung has unveiled a next-gen removable memory card that’s about 5 times faster. In fact, Samsung’s new UFS (Universal Flash Storage) cards offer read/write speeds that are on par with what you’d expect from a high-end SSD. Samsung’s UFS drives will be available in capacities up to 256GB at launch, and here are some of the performance specs, according to the company: 530 MB/s sequential read speeds 170 MB/s sequential write speed 40,000 IOPS random read rate 35,000 IOPS random write rate In real-world terms, Samsung says you can use the card to continuously shoot 24 JPEG photos with file sizes of 1,120 MB in about 7 seconds, or read an entire 5GB full-HD movie in 10 seconds. The UFS removable memory cards are based on the same technology as the UFS 2.0 internal storage Samsung introduced earlier this year. Every OS just got a lot faster, but the ranking of speed remains the same. Microsoft benefits the most since they were the bulkiest and slowest by quite a large margin. But your phone PC just got a lot more real ....... don't forget the "soldered on board" versions and the inserted into a memory slot versions of this same new tech. It will take competitor products hitting the market and a year or so of settle in time before the pricing gets more reasonable on this new much faster systems / SSD memory (and it rolls over into everything). Kiss your platter hard drives goodby, this is their replacement technology. Ditto for DDRAM on the motherboard. http://https://img.global.news.samsung.com/global/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/BGA_SSD_Main_2_2.jpg |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/13/16 at 02:05:44 http://liliputing.com/2016/07/pc-shipments-still-falling-not-fast-expected.html PC shipments still falling.. but not as fast as expected http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/lenovo-yoga-710.jpg Here are a few highlights: * IDC says global shipments were down 4.5%, but that’s better than the anticipated 7.4% decline. * Gartner’s estimate is a bit worse, suggesting a 5.2% decline in shipments during the quarter. Gartner doesn’t include Chromebooks in its figures, though. IDC does. * Both reports agree that Lenovo was the top PC vendor during the quarter, followed by HP, Dell, Asus, and Apple So, the new PC sales figures are out now, and tell an interesting story about MS's abortive bout with Win 10 customer abuse tactics and and the resulting sell through on Chromebooks. The difference between the 7.4% decline that was expected and the resulting actual 4.5% decline suggests that people had to go abruptly buy a bunch of "unplanned" computers. Some of this was natural churn, yes, but some of it was due to MS "accidentally" breaking users old equipment with their Windows 10 drivers issues. And, for the first time, we have actual statistics saying that 0.7% of the pissed off buying public chose at that point in time to jump ship and go with a Chromebook. That is a solid 15% of the people choosing, actually choosing to leave MS space instead with their new computing purchase. No one sees any signs of "PC growth" due to the Win 10 implementation. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/14/16 at 03:04:25 Samsung/IBM/Global Foundry consortium (serving Apple and Google) is still there, still pumping out new processor generations and other processor technology & refinements. Samsung has also partnered with a couple of the memory companies and has now generated some new generation tech there that will make our devices much faster (at least for one go round, anyway). Samsung is the main PC and phone innovator right now, taking the place of the old school boys (Apple, MS, Intel) who have fallen by the wayside pretty much. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/16 at 06:57:24 school boys (Apple, MS, Intel) who have fallen by the wayside pretty much. Care to speculate on Why Apple, MS, Intel have dropped back? Are they seeing a future where the addition of one more bell or one more whistle just not be a big enough difference to inspire consumers to go out and get The New and Improved version? Or is the platform about saturated? How much Stuff can be Stuffed into a gizmo that is held up to the head and talked to? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/14/16 at 09:22:42 Intel is stagnant, and MS and Apple are depending on new Intel processors to make their products "better and faster". Intel can't supply anything that is really any faster, but it can supply the "same ol same ol" somewhat cheaper than before with slightly better battery life, which is all the old school guys are touting right now as "improvements". Indeed the biggest upper showing lately is having the Intel chipsets to not slow down quite so much whenever they get somewhat warmer than dead cold. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/19/16 at 02:11:54 What can $99 buy for you brand new starting this year? http://liliputing.com/2016/07/zte-max-pro-smartphone-big-screen-big-battery-small-price-99.html http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/zmax-pro_07.jpg The new ZTE ZMax Pro is a $99 phone that’s available for pre-order today from MetroPCS. The phone features 6 inch, 1920 x 1080 pixel display, a Qualcomm Snapdragon 617 processor, 2GB of RAM, and 32GB of storage. It also has a 3,400 mAh battery, a USB 2.0 Type-C connector, quick charging support, and dual SIM card slots (although you can use one of those as a microSD card reader). There’s a 13MP camera on the back of the phone as well as a fingerprint scanner. The phone has a 5MP front-facing camera. Other features include 802.11b/g/n WiFi, Bluetooth 4.1, FM radio, Voice over LTE support, and Android 6.0 software. ======================================== ARM HOLDINGS has just been bought by a Japanese consortium. This is news as ARM got most of its "in the past" product direction from Apple who was their old majority stock holder. This is fairly bad news for Apple, as they got all ARM tech given to them to cook into their A-9 series chipsets at least a year before it was given to anybody else. I doubt this will be the case going forward. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/19/16 at 02:22:15 Tech stuff, like THAT? $99.00??? Do they have suicide nets on that building? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/19/16 at 02:25:02 Codeweavers is coming to both Android and to Chromebooks This is a pay me software package that boosts Wine's normal action when running MS software on other platforms. It is generally noted as "it just works" software (but it cannot deal with a University based IT system as that is locked down sixteen ways from Sunday by the IT guys). Codeweavers started in Linux world, but is branching out as Chromebooks and Android become more popular. What does this mean? Buy a modern Chromebook with an Intel processor and at least 4 gigs of systems memory and you might be able to directly run just about any MS world software out there now. The MS Secure Boot lock-down on new Windows 10 machines that is preventing you from loading an alternate OS is here now, and is beginning to go to the courts at this point in time. See more people exiting the walled garden accordingly. In other words, MS is busy creating a whole new market for Codeweavers to exist inside. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/19/16 at 02:34:33 6A757374696E5F6F5F67757932000 wrote:
The newest Moto E is similar, but not out yet. Pretty Good Phones are going to get CHEAP this year, driven by Chinese market and financial forces. Look to see the upscale market leaders suffer as folks opt more and more for these Pretty Good Phones ..... talking Apple and Samsung here |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 07/19/16 at 02:57:07 Why are all these phones GMA and not CDMA? Am I going to have to change services just to get to use one? And then I'll have to buy 4 of them.... and pay extra for each of them being a "smart phone". In other news..... OF have you heard about ARM? https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/softbank-agrees-buy-britains-arm-032410301.html |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/19/16 at 04:33:03 Yep, I mentioned it about 4 posts up. Softbank is acting as a consortium of sorts, we still don't know who exactly is behind that purchase deal right now, but that may become apparent soon enough. The large drop in British monetary values due to the EU exit may have provided the opportunity, but the particular rational and various players are not clear right now. Last time MS tried to buy up ARM (ARM is rather small potatoes money-wise compared to the old big boys) Apple stepped in to block that play. This time there is no real blocking going on .... both Apple and Google have interests in ARM so they may be players in the Softbank consortium -- or not as the case may be. Something is up, you can count on that ........ |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/19/16 at 05:07:37 Gotta be careful of them phones that you buy AS CDMA PHONES HAVE NO SIM CARD and generally are not as easily moved from carrier to carrier. On top of that, CDMA is the infrastructure on which all 3G networks are based — for both GSM and CDMA carriers. Note that all carriers are generally able to do 2G and 3G and LTE and 4G LTE nowadays, but the sim card using phones (GSM) tend to allow easier switch ups between the various GSM carriers. However, now there’s a third type of network that is quickly becoming the front runner in terms of quality, with many major cell phone companies quickly adopting it. Appropriately dubbed LTE for Long-Term Evolution, the technology is an evolved form of GSM and uses a similar technology as GSM networks. The new standard boasts enhanced voice quality, and furthermore, functions as the base of high-speed, 4G data networks. In this case, LTE does have an edge over the competition in terms of overall speed and quality. If you’re a U.S. customer and wondering what companies use which type of network, the split is right down the middle: AT&T and T-Mobile are GSM carriers, while Verizon and Sprint are CDMA. In truth, picking a new phone or carrier solely based on GSM, CDMA, or LTE doesn’t necessarily matter, as what services, features, phones, and service quality a network offers aren’t solely dependent on their network infrastructure. My "good phone" is a Google Nexus 5X which can currently swap seamlessly and automatically between 3 carriers. US Cellular and Sprint are CDMA houses, while T Mobile is a GSM house. Google is using 4G LTE as their major push focus with fall backs to LTE and 3G towers as needed. Google will only drop down to 2G under dire "no other tower" conditions, which are very very rare these days. The Qualcomm chipset inside the Nexus 5X phone can run ALL the current US and foreign standards, so Google has an open field to add supporting carriers as they want to be added. Google is trying to teach the cell phone industry to quit being tower hogs and drop the "tower centric thinking" that is hampering things so much right now. Over half my phone everything now runs off of wifi all the time anyway. Wifi is the default preference for both of my phones, for both the good one and the free one. Towers only play for me if I am in a car rolling down the road. 5G LTE is coming, and this HUGE upgrade may well dissolve the old GMS/CDMA issues completely. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/19/16 at 08:42:50 YOU HAVE JUST 10 DAYS LEFT TO INSTALL WIN 10 FOR FREE |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 07/19/16 at 09:10:58 6D4E4644474E4E4750220 wrote:
No thanks... the cost is too high. :-? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 07/19/16 at 12:18:08 OF, it would be interesting to know how many have upgraded since the "sneak" upgrade about a month ago Are we anywhere near a fifty per cent uptake? A time counter has just appeared on the Get Win 10 page. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/19/16 at 14:14:33 I've had a free horse and free rooster. I don't accept free stuff that I don't know the cost of |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/19/16 at 15:43:17 Microsoft has gone public with a statement that it will take 2-3 additional years to hit their 1 billion mark that was already supposed to have happened at this point in time. You figure it out, good 'ol MS has to say where they sit right now -- and they aren't saying anything right now other than "several more years" to hit the billion mark. ::) I would just say that PC total market share pie continues to shrink at around 5% per year and that there has been no "overall market growth" of any kind associated with Win 10 AT ALL so far. Well, the number and type of OS displayed "totally gotcha trapped" type ads that you have to wait for them to finish loading has gone up by a factor of 6-10, but that isn't any form of market share growth, just MS user abuse growth. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/20/16 at 12:08:58 MS is changing Skype again ---- and MS is dropping Skype support for all of their old OS products including Win 8.1 and Win 7. Skype used to be peer to peer, now it will be only supported over the web through MS's server network. Can you say "Win 10" only three times fast? Skype functionality has crept into many MS products, now all those products will be tied in firmly to MS's cloud hardware to make it work at all. A yearly Skype fee exists now, and will get more prevalent as the vice jaws tighten up further ..... :P |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 07/20/16 at 12:24:27 51727A787B72727B6C1E0 wrote:
DON'T DO IT!!! BILL GATES WILL APPEAR ON YOUR DOORSTEP AND YOU'LL NEVER GET RID OF HIM!!! |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/21/16 at 01:18:22 You're much better off saying Candy Man... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/21/16 at 09:02:02 http://liliputing.com/2016/07/andromiums-99-superbook-turns-android-phone-laptop-crowdfunding.html Putting your money where your mouth is ...... http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/superbook_04.jpg While the team is hoping to raise $50,000 for the project, there are a series of stretch goals: the first few aren’t super-exciting: an extra USB port and an additional color option (black or silver). Update: That didn’t take long. The Superbook passed the $50,000 goal just a few minutes after the campaign launched. You’ll need a device with Android 5.0 or later, at least 1.5 GB of RAM, a dual-core processor, and at lest 25MB of free storage space to use the Superbook. Google now has a remarkably viable, self-funding pilot fish out in front of their Android PC phone efforts seeing EXACTLY what people like and don't like about the idea. By going and doing it, which is the very best & quietest way to find out what you need to know without putting your company and your overall customer image at risk --- are you listening, MS? I think Google does it smart, paying out some small money to test the ideas with a seed company and seeing what the little pilot fish discovers that really needs to be included into Android before the idea goes mainstream. Note how this implementation plays off the existing motif of plugging up your phone to the USB port of the laptop to catch you a bumper charge -- looks very normal to most of us, doesn't it? And as Jide has already done with bigger desktop screens the new Andromium is presently testing out the waters more directly on the various Phone PC ideas. Next month Google releases the very first part of their 2-3 step release process on the PC Phone idea, a brand new multi-windows switching and a defined accessible file system comes out as part of the new Android 7.0 Nougat operating system. Vendors are busy putting out Jide Android Laptop machines complete now over in the orient, and now we got the phone stuff birthing their own pilot fish program using crowdfunding, so it will only happen if it is considered DESIRABLE to enough people. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 07/21/16 at 09:05:15 And i've been posting on Forbes about the need for a phone tablet.... why have to have 2 devices? Comon' Man! gimme what I want before I go to china with a deal they won't refuse! Of course i'll have to find some financial backers.... but hey... maybe Blu will listen, their phones are getting larger. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/21/16 at 09:16:22 Call ready Phablets already exist at sizes up to 9 inches, but folks seem to show a preference for having both a phone and a laptop/tablet. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 07/22/16 at 07:43:14 I'd go for a Phablet, but the services I use don't really offer them well, At@t does offer a galaxy tablet with a phone app, but it's pretty pricey |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/22/16 at 08:01:50 http://www.pcworld.com/article/3098570/chromebooks/chromebook-shipments-are-exploding-but-not-replacing-windows-pcs.html Chromebook shipments are exploding, but not replacing Windows PCs Chromebook shipments will grow by 18 percent this year, and by double digits until 2019, Gartner says http://core1.staticworld.net/images/article/2016/06/hp-chromebook_front-100668478-large.jpg If this sounds like double talk to you, then you got to realize that Chromebook volumes are still small compared to the 290 million units that move around in the standard PC realm every year. So yeah, Chromebooks can grow by 18% and not affect the entire market very much. It is still growing by 18%, while PC is still shrinking by 5% --- the confusing issue here as always is that both statistics are compared back to themselves rather than to the entire marketplace. Doing it referring back to the entire marketplace in both cases, Chromebooks grew by 0.7% and PC shrank by 5%. ;) Another way to say it is that 15% of the people faced with the Win 10 Decision decided to jump ship on MS completely and buy themselves a Chromebook. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 07/22/16 at 10:52:18 I don't consider anything under 10" a tablet.... those 7" little jobbies are for kids, or young folks with good eyesight :) I have become preferable to 10" tablets because they are still very portable and hardly get in the way. Yeah you can't stick one in your back pants pocket or shirt pocket, but folks who carry around large smart phones don't either, they have clips mounted to their belts. Personally I would wear a small pouch, satchel, or "man purse" and not be bothered, as long as i'm wearing my Bluetooth, i'd never have to pull it out of my bag. Really getting tired of win 10 and posting on sites with more than one advertisement and want to switch to an android based software for ease and use while doing the internet thing. Google chrome is failing me now... it has also started to constantly load ads and keep me to posting one letter every three to four seconds while posting. I type fairly fast, as do most of us who internet daily, and have to wait about 30 seconds for a decent sentence to load before going on to the next one. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/22/16 at 11:21:26 Google Chrome and Firefox both have an add in called Adblock Plus which is a must have add on. Stops all the addshite that is going on right now, in the Linux world it does, anyway. It may not stop Win 10 from starting up all those ads that are internal to the OS that are stopping you dead cold while they load up. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/22/16 at 15:09:11 http://liliputing.com/2016/07/report-cyanogen-inc-shift-operating-system-apps.html http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/cyanogenos-hero.jpg Once upon a time, there were real competitors to Android ..... There was Apple iOS 7-8-9 Firefox OS, Sailfish OS Cyanogen Mod OS Windows 10 for Phone The second to last of these has officially thrown in the towel, Cyanogen Mod has gone broke and laid off most of their employees. Basically, the folks at Cyanogen will support their unique Android apps for the rest of this year and that's it for a future plan, no more claims about having a competing OS product of any kind under any form of development any more. :-/ This only leaves Apple still working, and good 'ol MS with their mostly abandoned Windows 10 OS product of which MS has only 2-3 Win 10 phones that are still out and still claiming to be "somewhat real". MS just lately completely dropped all Win 8.x for phone support and stated they would not support it any further. Only a very few Win 8.x phones were ever even said to be upgradable to Win 10, and many fewer than that ever saw a real upgrade to Win 10 that actually worked worth moldy dried beans. But Win 10 was stated as your free upgrade path that allowed MS to legally drop all support for the old phones ..... (sound familiar yet?) Then MS abruptly quit paying the independent Win 10 app developers early last quarter and they in turn never updated a single Win 10 for Phone app ever again ...... and since MS kept on fiddling with Win 10 for Phone OS week after week after week the existing paid for app base all broke and simply quit working. :P ...... ain't much there anymore, working that is ..... 'cept Apple iOS of course -- that still works and has actual market share. http://https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/world-wide-smartphone-market-share.png?w=464&h=319&crop=1 It is an older graph, iOS is currently a bit under 20% market share while Android is hitting around 80% with Windows Phone and Symbian and Rim and Blackberry all giving up the extra turf to make it all work out to 100%. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/23/16 at 01:44:53 http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/21/12246266/france-microsoft-privacy-windows-10-cnil France orders Microsoft to stop tracking Windows 10 users Data protection authority gives Microsoft three months to comply with French privacy laws France's data protection commission has ordered Microsoft to "stop collecting excessive user data" and to stop tracking the web browsing of Windows 10 users without their consent. In a notice published on Wednesday, the CNIL said that Microsoft must also take steps to guarantee "the security and confidentiality" of its users' personal information, after determining that the company was still transferring data to the US under the "Safe Harbor" agreement that an EU court invalidated in October. Microsoft has three months to comply with the orders, the CNIL said. The CNIL says it decided to issue the notice due to the "seriousness of the breaches and the number of individuals concerned," saying there are more than 10 million Windows users in France. The CNIL found that Microsoft is collecting "excessive" data on Windows 10 users, including the specific apps they download and how much time they spend on each one. The organization added that the company uses cookies to serve personalized ads without properly informing users or allowing them to opt out, and that the four-character PIN system used to access Microsoft services is insecure, because there is no limit on the number of attempts a user can make. If Microsoft does not comply within the three-month window, the CNIL says it may appoint an investigator who could recommend sanctions against the company. "The purpose of the notice is not to prohibit any advertising on the company’s services but, rather, to enable users to make their choice freely, having been properly informed of their rights," the CNIL said in a statement. The CNIL has issued similar notices against US tech companies in the past. Last year, the organization ordered Google to expand Europe's "right to be forgotten" ruling to cover all Google sites, and earlier this year, it ordered Facebook to stop tracking the web browsing of non-users, giving the company three months to comply. MS used to excuse their excessive data mining by saying they were working hard on fixing all the things wrong with Win 10 -- but Win 10 is all fixed now (supposedly) and France has formally told MS this flimsy excuse no longer plays. If the privacy issues are not fixed completely in 90 days France will start the formal EU process to charge MS multiple billions of $$$ in legal offense dollars for ongoing privacy invasion. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/24/16 at 05:49:01 http://www.pcmag.com/news/346338/france-hits-microsoft-with-windows-10-privacy-complaint France Hits Microsoft With Windows 10 Privacy Complaint http://www7.pcmag.com/media/images/499525-windows-10-inking.jpg?thumb=y&width=740&height=426 France's National Data Protection Commission (CNIL) issued the order, which claims that the Windows Store collects data without permission on all the apps users download and the time spent on each one. The order also says that Windows 10 installs an advertising identifier by default, allowing Microsoft to monitor browsing and offer targeted advertising without consent. In addition to violating user data protection laws, CNIL also complained that the Windows Store authentication method presents a security risk. Users can select a four-digit PIN to authenticate their Microsoft accounts, but unlimited attempts to enter the PIN are allowed, according to CNIL. French data protection laws allow for a fine of up to 1.5 million euros, or $1.65 million, for collecting and processing users' information without permission. CNIL said it will not impose penalties or sanctions unless Microsoft does not address the issues within three months. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/25/16 at 15:42:33 http://liliputing.com/2016/07/chuwi-vi10-plus-windowsremix-os-tablet-launches-169.html Chuwi Vi10 Plus Windows/Remix-OS tablet launches for $169 and up http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/v10-plus_03.jpg Read the title of this whole thread that you have been reading on for the last six months and remember that we have been waiting for the two contestants to actually get up into the ring and start slugging it out. The SAME ring will be available sometimes in August for the very first scheduled preliminary bout between Win 10 PC and Remix Android PC (the pilot fish for Google's 8.0 full version). Brad Linder points out But a dual-OS model with Windows 10 and Remix OS doesn’t cost that much more. For $239 you can pick up the dual OS model, which also has twice as much memory (4 gigs) and storage (64 gigs). Yes, the Windows unit REALLY ACTUALLY DOES REQUIRE four times as much systems memory and twice as much program storage space as the Android based Remix OS version requires. Given barely enough resources to chug along, Win 10 is going to perform barely so so. Flipping over to Remix OS, the Chuwi is jest gonna burn out it's tires, jest a smoking it with 4x more resources that it actually really requires and Remix OS is already well known to work very quickly on just 1 gig of systems memory. 2 gigs is considered ample for Remix OS right now. But this Chuwi Vi10 Plus makes a REALLY great boxing ring, as each OS gets to show off its stuff in the exact SAME-SAME environment. No tilting of the playing field can happen here. Just pure programming goodness, system requirements and relative speed showing cleanly. They ARE giving Win 10 what it says it needs for system memory and SSD memory, so you got no excuses, MS. And the reviewer folks can repeat their tests and comparisons at will until they have a firm answer to share with us. ;D Place your bets, Gentlemen, place your bets ..... and remember that porky slow MS OS system is back to costing you a full $120 at retail just for its slow porky self. Plus the extra cost of the extra processor and extra memory, of course. And never forget the Office 365 yearly charges and other software you will have to buy (and rebuy again and again over the years). |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/26/16 at 10:37:10 Now, let's talk about that old PC holding up that corner in the garage. Yeah, that one ..... XP generation or slightly better. What can you actually DO with it, usefully? http://liliputing.com/2016/07/remix-os-pc-update-brings-android-6-0-multi-window-improvements.html Remix OS for PC update brings Android 6.0, multi-window improvements http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/remix-3_01.jpg Now Jide is launching a major update to Remix OS for PC. The new version is based Android 6.0 (instead of Android 5.1), and includes support for additional hardware including computers with NVIDIA and AMD graphics. The update brings the version number of the operating system up to Remix OS 3.0, and it also brings new features to one of the operating system’s hallmark features: the ability to run multiple Android apps in resizable windows that can be positioned anywhere on the screen. Remix OS for PC supports computers with 32-bit and 64-bit chips, and it can be downloaded and installed on a USB flash drive, allowing you to boot from a removable storage device without making any changes to your computer. Or you can install the operating system on a hard drive to dual-boot Remix OS and Windows. http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/remix-3-central_02.jpg Note that the software does not have the Google Play Store pre-loaded by default. But all you need to do to install it is open the Remix Central app, choose the “Google Play Installer” option, and follow the instructions. I also note above that you can get to the free MS Office bits and pieces on-line for free, such that you are able to work on work stuff at home if you need to. Jide deserves kudos for doing a damme FINE job of being the "pilot fish" -- they have rung the bell consistently so far, yes indeedy they have. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/26/16 at 12:57:57 How far off the pace in state of the art mobile/desktop processors is good 'ol Intel, (who is still stuck at 14nm) really? Mediatek is sorta bottomish but BIG in the ARM world, and they are rather proud of it. Mediatek makes the processors for BLU and a lot of the other high value low cost phone suppliers. So, where Mediatek is going right now sorta defines how far behind the pack Intel actually is at the moment. http://liliputing.com/2016/07/10nm-mediatek-helio-x30-chip-coming-2017.html 10nm MediaTek Helio X30 11 core chipset coming in 2017 First up, the Helio X30 will be the company’s first 10nm processor. Most of the company’s recent chips are constructed using a 28nm or 16nm processes. The move should lead to improvements in performance and energy efficiency. The new processors are also said to feature improved modems, enabling support for more mobile broadband network bands. The Helio X30 is expected to feature support for up to 8GB of LPDDR4 RAM and UFS 2.1 storage. Please remember, Helios 10 and 20 both were promised, and became real right on schedule -- Mediatek is both prompt and trustworthy in that aspect. Well, four technology breakthroughs are promised so far for this one, 10nm production off of new TSMC lines, 8 gigs of fast fast fast systems memory, a full spectrum coverage on all tower's radios and the production use of that new super fast SD card storage stuff and a lastly, a stone cold threat to ARM that if ARM Mali graphics don't take a BIG jump forward by next year then PowerVR Graphics Series 7 graphics may be used by Mediatek instead. So, ARM has been served graphics notice as Mediatek is the largest player in the stock ARM Universe at the moment. IMPROVE the Mali graphics, a lot, very quickly, or else. Now, about how far Intel is being left behind by these changes, well this chipset sorta smells like a low end Core i5 equivalent, or perhaps mebbe slightly better than a low end Core i5 equivalent ???? Intel has GOT to come out with some non-silicon 7nm fairly soon or else risk being totally sidelined by the consistent year on year progress being made by ARM processors. ::) So, once again, WHY is this worth paying attention to ???? http://liliputing.com/2016/07/acer-chromebook-13-mediatek-mt8173-processor-coming-soon.html Acer Chromebook 13 with MediaTek MT8173 processor coming soon Both Chromebooks and Android Laptops will be able to make some primo alfalfa hay with these new chipsets -- while Intel is still bailing up 3 year old low-efficiency weeds. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by RaleighGuy on 07/27/16 at 05:50:58 Hey Oldfeller, I thought about this topic on SS over the past few days. You see, I got one of those BLU R1 HD phones from Amazon earlier this week to put on my AT&T family data plan and let my 22 year old son use for a few months. Personally, I like AT&T. They are expensive but I've had their service ever since my phone was Cingular and it's really reliable when I go to the outer banks or up into the sticks of the Blue Ridge mountains. Anyway, for only $50 (since I'm a member of prime), it seemed really nice. Had Android 6.0 (Marshmallow), Gorilla Glass front screen, 8GB of space and nice sharp screen. Dang, it said it would take HD video and it has an 8 megapixel front camera. Now I'll admit that I've been an Apple fanboy for some years now but after seeing what $50 can get these days, I'll be thinking really hard before shelling out another $700 for an iPhone 7 this September. Maybe Google's new Nexus will be worth some of my hard earned cash this fall. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/27/16 at 18:12:41 Hello RaleighGuy, How's that Mediatek chipset doing for you as far as speed & responsiveness ??? I had a BLU for a few weeks and sent it back to Amazon as it was claimed back then to be 4G LTE and it was just 3G-4G (a bad listing job on Amazon, actually, using info that was based on BLU data belonging to the next gen phone that had just come out). Still, in using it, really it was a good enough phone for all normal uses. I just wanted one that had ALL of what I was promised, which it turns out was a lot more expensive at that point in time. ::) We now have several list members in this area, me, you, another Fayetteville guy who was fixing up a bike but never really responded to things like notes left on his seat, etc. We COULD get together periodically for a local event or a local ride of some sort if you wanted to. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by RaleighGuy on 07/28/16 at 04:10:16 4261696B686161687F0D0 wrote:
---------------------------------------------------- I didn't really test things such as download speeds from the Google Play store or running any graphic intensive games on it. What I did test were the still camera, video capabilities, picture messaging, phone call quality (after all, it's still called a phone), and changing some basic settings. As I said, I'm normally an Apple boy so Droid is a little unfamiliar to me. All I've ever played with on my own is a little Kindle Fire and Amazon's OS is so completely different looking that it's not really Android at all. I gave it to my 22 year old son for his enjoyment day before yesterday. I know mostly what he uses a phone for is texting, playing YouTube stuff, FB, a few games like Candy Crush or that new "Pokémon Done-Gone" game. But I'm sure he will update me in a few more days about how great or lame it is. The only thing I saw on it that was kind of a real bummer was how many Amazon and Google apps were preloaded that you CAN'T delete. Yeah, I know you can root a droid phone and customize however you want, but in the immortal words of Sweet Brown.... "Ain't nobody got time for that!!" Oh, and getting together sounds pretty good. Summer is keeping me really busy but after August, life should slow down some. And even though my handle is RaleighGuy, I actually live in Fuquay so it's only a hop, skip and a jump away from Fayette-nam. ;D |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/28/16 at 12:54:05 Fayettenam's only claim to fame is some decent gun stores, but you got you a famous bakery in Fuquay, so we are even. Considering it is less than an hour to Fuquay we could plan to go do something this fall. What and where, I am totally open about. I work weekends, which does put a damper on general plans but I do have Thursday and Friday off just about every week. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 07/28/16 at 12:59:32 Well, it looks like Msoft will let you use win 7 until 2020, but won't update or support it. http://www.pcworld.com/article/3093001/software/you-can-safely-use-windows-7-until-2020-but-i-wont-be-answering-your-questions.html |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/28/16 at 13:14:17 Yes, but they are busy right now making sure all new Windows PCs contain their boot review lock out chip (a physical chip) that keeps you from loading or accessing any other OS product on that new machine. They do this by making sure Win 10 won't work AT ALL on any bulk manufacturer priced software licenses without the chip being present, a "required security" thing you know. It is a MS requirement both contractually and physically that is intended to brick you into their MS walled garden. By not writing any new Win 7 drivers and forcing all sub-vendors to use only approved Win 10 drivers MS has in essence put a functional end to Win 7 and Win 9.1 which will kill them off piecemeal very quickly. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/28/16 at 13:28:19 MS's actions of late has gotten them some adverse reaction, from governments in the EU, France, Germany, China and also from American Business in general. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khSe1a6LiTc This is a Corporate Operating Manager from Charles Schwab who needed a heavy duty secure system to do client sign ups and client communications. This job was something MS had done, but it cost a mint as Schwab had to buy multiple layers of expensive programs to get the job done. Faced with having to buy Win 10 computers all over again, Google was given a look see ..... Watch it to see why Google is going to impact American Business starting soon -- not everywhere all at once but in selected portions of the business world to begin with. EVEN THE MAINSTREAM NEWS MEDIA IS PICKING UP ON THIS SEA CHANGE -- http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/27/hows-google-doing-in-the-corporate-world-talk-to-chuck.html |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 07/28/16 at 13:38:31 Going to build my next one from scratch.... no operating system... just bits and pieces. So far its up to 1,200 dollars.... LOL.... the dang video card alone is more than mother board/cpu/ram/case and power supply all together :) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 07/28/16 at 21:39:44 OF, there's 7 and a bit hours left of the free offer down here. It will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow NZ time, and more interesting to know how many take it up over the next thirty one or two hours, depending on where you live. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/16 at 05:12:08 We may see an article written way out in the future containing that data -- but right now MS is blowing them a fog bank of brown smoke over the whole Win 10 conversion thing, especially since the EU is after their butts now and is looking to put a hurt upon them for breaking EU laws. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/16 at 07:48:51 Wups ..... a gap in the brown MS fog bank opens up. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-28/microsoft-to-cut-2-850-more-jobs-in-exit-from-phone-business Microsoft to Cut 2,850 More Jobs in Exit From Phone Business http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-to-cut-2850-more-jobs-including-some-in-microsoft-sales/ What does Ms Microsoft, Mary Jo Foley have to say about this bit of news ????? Microsoft to cut 2,850 more jobs, including some in Microsoft sales MIcrosoft is cutting 2,850 more jobs beyond the 1,850 that the company announced would be eliminated earlier this year. The new cuts will hit phone hardware and sales. In July 2015, Microsoft announced it would be cutting 7,400 people in fiscal 2016, primarily in the company's phone hardware business. At that time, Microsoft officials said the company would take a $7.6 billion write-down related to its Nokia acquisition, plus a restructuring charge of between $750 million to $850 million. Microsoft planned to complete the 7,400 job cuts largely by the end of calendar 2015 and completely by the end of fiscal 2016, which means June 30, 2016, officials said at the time. In February this year, Microsoft made more cuts connected with its phone hardware business that were not part of the original round of 7,400. And in May 2016, the company announced the aforementioned layoff of 1,850 jobs that were mostly connected to its phone hardware business. That May round of cuts didn't include the 4,500 jobs that Microsoft shed by selling off its feature phone business to FIH Mobile. The majority of the 2,850 in the new round of cuts have already been notified, I'm hearing, including 900 people earlier this month related to the restructuring of Microsoft's sales organization. Last month, Microsoft announced that its Chief Operating Officer Kevin Turner was leaving the company for a new job, and that his responsibilities would be divided among a handful of existing Microsoft execs as part of a sales and marketing reorganization. Microsoft's total market share SHRANK an overall 5% during the same year that they rolled out their biggest "success story" ever -- ie Windows 10 ======================================= http://liliputing.com/2016/07/microsoft-sold-13-8-million-lumia-phones-last-year.html ... yeah, and most of these phones were sold at a half price or just flat given away as sales incentives on other items. This give away game on these totally unsupported any more Win 8.1 phones is reflected in the following revenue numbers ...... Overall, Microsoft says phone revenue decreased by $4.2 billion, or 56 percent from 2015 and 2016. Another piece of news from the company’s 10-K filing is also getting headlines today: Microsoft plans to eliminate another 2,850 jobs this year ” as an extension of the earlier plan” to remove 1,850 positions. It’s not clear if the bulk of these additional job cuts will come in the smartphone hardware and sales businesses like those covered by the earlier announcement. Why give away phones or sell masses of them at half price or less? If your market share is at 0.7% of the total market and your warehouses bulge with phones you have discontinued supporting, you might as well give them away as sales incentives rather than pay out yet more money to properly scrap them. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 07/29/16 at 13:17:28 Well MS kept their word, the free offer has ended, my computer is going ok as far as I can see. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/16 at 13:39:37 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-28/microsoft-to-cut-2-850-more-jobs-in-exit-from-phone-business Bloomberg gives out last quarter's current market share statistics as seen from a financial reporting viewpoint this information is "USA only" based info Windows phones had less than 1 percent of the global smartphone market in the first quarter, according to Gartner Inc. That compares with Android’s 84 percent and 15 percent for Apple’s iOS. this information is "USA only" based info http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-26/apple-forecasts-another-sales-decline-as-iphone-demand-cools What the rest of the world sees is more radical as Apple iPhones are VERY HIGH PRICED products that do not sell well in the rest of the world simply because folks cannot readily afford them. It is a simple fact that many have reported, you can get a lot more phone for your dollar with an Android phone right now, especially in opening up markets such as India. Apple iphone sales have decreased by 25% in the Chinese and Indian markets -- a very bad thing for Apple right now. http://https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iuuSzdDTBc.A/v2/-1x-1.png Worldwide, talking current quarter sales only, Android is >85% of what is actually moving in phone sales right now. Apple is <15% and the current Windows Phone sales numbers are a questionable thing right now since so many reported sales are actually promotional giveaways and vastly discounted fire sale type numbers on phones that have had MS drop ALL ONGOING SUPPORT for just recently. Trust MS to empty their warehouses and get rid of all old stale stocks this year since carrying that inventory over into the next fiscal year will get people fired by the MS board of directors (who don't want to get sued or go to jail over it either). :-? :-? :-? :-? What happens when Android phones and home PCs functionally merge together starting next year? Good question ...... :-? :-? :-? :-? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/16 at 16:24:09 Superbook gets 1080p display option (Andromium laptop dock for Android phones) http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/superbook_01-1.jpg It’s been just over a week since Andromium launched a Kickstarter campaign in hopes of raising $50,000 to produce a device that lets you use an Android smartphone like a laptop. With 21 days left to go in the Superbook campaign, the project has received over $1.1 million in pledges, which means that it’s hit a few key stretch goals. The team is adding an extra USB port and a bigger battery. And backers willing to pay $30 extra for the option can now get a higher-quality, higher-resolution display. The Superbook looks like a laptop, but it’s really just the shell of a notebook computer. It has a screen, keyboard, and battery. But it doesn’t have a processor, memory, storage, or operating system: all of those things are supplied by your phone when you connect it to the Superbook with a USB cable. While Android isn’t really optimized for desktop-style computing this completely just yet, Andromium offers a free app that you can load on phones running Android 5.0 or later to give the operating system a taskbar and support for multi-window mode. Andromium is asking for $99 for a basic model with an 11.6 inch, 1366 x 768 pixel TN display with limited viewing angles. But now folks can pledge $129 or more (or amend existing pledges) to get a model with a 1920 x 1080 pixel IPS display with 178-degree viewing angles. It is anticipated that the Andromium pilot fish project will work out all the buggies for the "phone as a PC" trick in time for Google to put it all into Android 8.0 which will come out next year. Just like Jide and the Android X86 project groups have worked out all the multi-windowing Android stuff just dandy now and that tech is being used in the Orient to put out the first Android laptops for Oriental sale as we speak. Take Jide and Andromium projects together, plus the new heavy duty ARM processors just out from Mediatek and I think MS and Intel may have something to be jest a wee bit concerned about going forward. My current Nexus 5x cell phone is mighty enough to do Andromium trick to a stationary screen and full keyboard (which I already own) using a phone dock swinging some larger better speakers and some extra ports so I can plug in all my other stuff as well. http://scene7.targetimg1.com/is/image/Target/50037067?wid=450&hei=450&fmt=pjpeg Costs $49 right now And I think this capability will be commonly distributed inside the standard Google Android dessert flavor within roughly about a year from now. Or Google may hang back a bit longer and let the pilot fish finish growing up to be full grown sharks instead -- it has done so in the past rather than disrupt the growing pilot fish when they were doing very well for themselves (think of Republic Wireless for your example). Google was very careful NOT to disrupt or destroy Republic Wireless, and to this day the two companies still cooperate in the realm of Wifi calling services. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 07/30/16 at 07:15:36 so how mighty a phone do you need for that $50 docking thing to work Cricket, which supposedly uses ATT towers and gets the same reception, now does an unlimited cell data plan for $65 a month, but no tethering to 'real computers' allowed |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 07/30/16 at 17:17:42 OF, just noticed that the Get Win 10 icon has disappeared from the bottom of my screen. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/30/16 at 17:45:37 :-? What to say about the ending of MS's final chance to create something great. And instead (sadly) what they really did was lay rows of bricks to make tall thick garden walls without any open access doors in them at all. Will the walls come down, or will MS have actually built its own thick walled mausoleum? All the "growth" that MS got this year was due to MS intentionally BREAKING old computers on purpose (oops, you got you a bad driver there, we are gonna delete that bad software now) to force the MS dependent folks who owned them to shell out again to buy a brand new machine, this time with a MS nanny chip in it to keep users from loading other OS products like Linux. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/31/16 at 06:25:03 I also did a quick review of low end PC prices ---- Intel is now back to selling their wares at full price so the cost of an Intel machine STARTS at $300 now-a-days. Intel has also completely dropped production on the lowest two levels of chipsets that used to be used in all the cheapie stuff, back then Intel was also nice enough to price support them and to cover about half the cost of "extra needed components" as well. Intel never did make a real system on a chip on any of their low end products, ever --- counter revenue price supports were supposed to make up for this lack. The age of cheap Intel anything is OVER now. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/31/16 at 07:09:33 Lenovo sends a message to Microsoft -- quit gouging us !!! http://liliputing.com/2016/07/lenovo-ship-laptops-endless-os-mexico.html Now Lenovo has announced it will ship a laptop in Mexico that comes with Endless OS pre-installed instead of using Win 10. http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/lenovo-b41.jpg Endless OS has a simple, phone-like user interface and comes with more than 100 apps pre-loaded, including LibreOffice, the Pitivi video editor, GIMP image editor, and educational content including Wikipedia, Khan Academy, and more. Lenovo will load the operating system on a version of the B41-30 notebook, which is a low-cost model featuring a 14 inch, 1366 x 768 pixel display, an Intel Celeron N3050 processor, 2GB of RAM, 500GB of storage 802.11ac WiFi, Bluetooth 4.0, two USB 3.0 ports, a USB 2.0 port, HDMI and VGA ports, a DVD drive, and an SD card reader. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 07/31/16 at 18:55:30 OF, when you aren't too busy, it would be interesting to know the number who upgraded after the "sneak" June upgrade and the 29th of July. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/31/16 at 19:06:47 I am afraid MS isn't being forthcoming with numbers like those at this time. If someone gets them and writes something about these last few day I'll post about it. Right now, it is "undisclosed". (hint: when the numbers are good MS falls all over themselves to brag about them. When they aren't good, silence falls.) However, especially when they are getting sued by users for breaking the user's machines, MS tends to shut up completely --- a lot. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/01/16 at 08:10:34 Recap to get a sense of size or scale between MS and the others. In case you weren't watching during the last year, MS has taken extreme actions to rope in all their past users, to get them corralled in on the same ad moneymaking, data selling, steady profit generating OS system that they call Windows 10. At the same time MS cut out 100% of all support for all of their old operating systems and shrank their company people-wise by approximately 50% (this shrinkage is still going on as the large crew of Win 10 programmers included a lot of contract people who have just been quietly let go). Microsoft looks forward to a shrinking future (5-7% per year is the current shrink rate) with lots of future paradigm shift threats that can accelerate that decline out there already. MS now knows it cannot make a marketable phone (as Intel knows it cannot make a marketable phone chip). The world-wide cell phone expansion phase is done now anyway, as is the massive future Internet of things boost that has fizzled out as well. MS and Intel missed out on both of them. Both companies are searching for future pathways now. Microsoft had hoped to bunker down with a billion sized market share, but found greater that expected user resistance took place that limited them to around 600-750 million total users to get roped into that sealed up bunker with them. Market share erosion has been supposedly checked now by the use of HARDWARE lock out chips in new equipment that require the user to be bright enough to ASK about the nanny chips and NOT BUY the unit if the lock out chip is in it. This hardware chip stops you from dual booting (or simply replacing) Microsoft's Win 10 operating system. AVOID BUYING IT. Legality of this trick has yet to be tested in the courts, the EU is eying it already as just one of MS's long list of recent offenses. But please remember Size and Scale. In PC land MS just locked up around 75% of the entire remaining PC taco and is trying their best to keep Linux, etc from nibbling on that taco any further. Microsoft's real future issue is that there are hamburgers out there, and hot dogs, and sub sandwiches. Locking down tacos is all well and good, but people can eat other stuff too you know. Next reminder of Size and Scale -- MS has failed to lock down their projected billion PC users by about 1/4. So, let's talk about that billion number in relation to what is potentially coming to greet MS in the next few years. Cell phone as a PC replacement, docking and lighting up your big screen and your keyboard (or your laptop a la Andromium). Let's give Micky Soft the benefit of any loose numbers and "agree" that they caught more minnows in their net than they really did. Next year (or year after, giving leeway) Google and the pilot fish will have the PC/Phone thing down pat and the standard 2-3 year replacement life on everyone's cell phone will come due. People will start buying PC Phones as that will be what Android is, by default. MickySoft's billion users has been shrinking by 5-10% per annum, now that accelerates to 20-25% per annum. That says MickySoft's future life span as a major player is only good for 5-6 years total. How real is this threat? MickySoft has locked down less than a billion users, all of whom own cell phones right now. All of these users have skills in alternate OS products. MS has no growth projected going forward, only shrinkage. Remember, Over a BILLION and a HALF replacement cell phones are sold each year right now ..... Replacement life on a PC is 6-10 years. We will all make our next choices inside that same time frame as our old PC dies. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 08/01/16 at 10:23:42 Mine may be dying now My keyboard cuts out at random and it takes a restart to get it back up tried to use my phone instead today and even using chrome on my phone my passwords aren't good? wtf? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/01/16 at 11:19:00 Sorry Art, can't help you with your passwords. Every OS now requires passwords of at least 8-10 characters in length which are to include caps and lower case letters and special symbols. Only advice I can offer is WRITE DOWN your ID and your passwords -- you will be forced to change them periodically. ======================================== And considering Art is Art and lives where Art lives, we recommend a Best Buy Laptop for $130 -- so you can take it back if need be. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-ideapad-100s-11-6-laptop-intel-atom-2gb-memory-32gb-emmc-flash-storage-red/4475000.p?id=1219751168924&skuId=4475000&ref=1 http://pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/BestBuy_US/images/products/4475/4475000_sd.jpg;maxHeight=550;maxWidth=642 Take away the $120 for MS Win 10 and the laptop cost you a whopping $10 |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 08/01/16 at 12:46:34 best buy internet sales warranties are kinda screwy. they are not take it back to the store to get help/service... yeah, that sucks. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/01/16 at 12:50:18 That sucks, that is the exact same thing as HAVING NO WARRANTY AT ALL. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 08/01/16 at 12:56:32 Oh, we got a warranty. They just figure you bypassed the brick and mortar store to get a cheap price. So it should be the same if you need help or service. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/01/16 at 13:24:38 Went by Staples today with the wife, I went and looked at the one (1) display counter where all the PCs and laptops were displayed. $349 was the cheapest thing there, with the general price range being around $450-$500. Phones and tablets were in another area of the store, with some as low as $59. Most were $100 to $150 for the tablets, with the phones being $200 to $450. Do you think that sort of price disparity is not gonna kill PC/Laptop when both Phone/Tablet and PC/Laptop can really do the same sorts of things ???? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 08/01/16 at 13:57:14 you still need to buy a monitor, mouse and keyboard to get the same functionality. and then there are the professional users, a phone just won't do what I do. I expect that will change... in the future. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 08/01/16 at 14:28:07 That's a very valid point Verslagen, I am no "professional" user, and I have difficulty with smart phone screen keyboards. In fact I have more difficulty with the keyboard on my five year old PC than I did with my first one. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/01/16 at 15:09:44 You are both talking old touch screen only use, Jide is all about mouse and keyboard just like a real pc. And the best of the crop of new stuff lets you do either, or both. No more separate phone vs keyboard type worlds, simply do it the way you want to for the particular application you are running. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 08/01/16 at 15:22:33 Laptops of the future could be sans cpu just a docking station for your phone. I don't believe in using BT or Wifi for human interfaces, just clutters up the airwaves and provides another access point for hackers. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 08/01/16 at 15:27:12 My little RCA Viking Pro 10" /w keyboard is an awesome little powerhouse. All I had to do was add a mouse and it mimics a laptop for doing all sorts of things. Add a usb extender and you can plug in a flash memory stick or even an external hard drive (some don't always but most do). I paid a whoppin' $69.00 on the Walmart site when it was on sale. They are usually around $90.00 http://www.walmart.com/ip/RCA-Viking-Pro-10.1-2-in-1-Tablet-32GB-Quad-Core/45804384 Processor Type: Quad-Core Processor Color: Gray , Black Display Technology: Capacitive Touch Display Processor Speed: 1.30 GHz Gigahertz Contained Battery Type: Lithium Ion Connector Type: 1 x DC-in, 1 x Headphone, 1 x Microphone, 1 x MicroUSB 2.0, 1 x MiniHDMI, 1 x USB 2.0 Operating System: Android Battery Life: 6 hours Hours Model: RCT6303W87DKF C Brand: RCA Video Game Platform: Android Manufacturer Part Number: RCT6303W87DKF C RAM Memory: 1 GB Gigabytes Accessories Included: Keyboard , AC Adapter Features: Webcam Assembled Product Dimensions (L x W x H): 10.20 x 6.50 x 1.15 Inches Lot of other brands out there that have better, for about $50 more dollars, do some research, and go look at them to see the displays. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/02/16 at 06:12:13 Linux Mint 18 -- Sarah You get a caution with this upgrade that you are going to be changing Linux kernels for the first time in 3 years and a recommendation to do it from a downloaded DVD image. There is a reason for that -- the kernel upgrade is done AFTER you install the software and it can get involved if you have a complex machine (and want to keep your Windows gaming partition "as is"). I think Win 10 has attempted to block the use of user loaded alternate softwares and much of what you are being asked to do is dancing around fixing what MS hacked up. My machine was complex as the partition table was fragmented by past changes and I had to download a live GPARTED CD and cold boot me a Gparted tool to remove all my old worlds and then force merge the unallocated spaces back together into one larger unallocated space. I also shrank my windows partition and moved it to the front of the drive to get it out of the way. I did this before installing Linux Mint 18 as I was trusting the Mint Installer to sense the moved and shortened Windows partition and the windows boot sector and put it all back together again when it constructed the dual boot menu system. It worked. Time elapsed redoing the entire machine and reformatting everything and installing Linux Mint 18 was 3 hours, most of which was waiting for the partition moves to slowly churn to completion. GParted is a tool that is sorta like Ghost in Windows, no instructions are ever given, you are assumed to know how to use it as it is an ancient tool. The cold booted CD version is an older version that simply goes and DOES it -- great power there, but it is dangerous accordingly. This was the most involved upgrade I have ever done, simply because I was trying to keep Windows happy. I think every post Win 10 partition was locked and what I really did by moving them around was to break all the locks MS had put upon them. I feel a mild sense of victory and I learned some stuff in doing it. The screenshot is from my old Dell box after cleaning it up and installing Linux Mint Mate 18 (Sarah). ;) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/02/16 at 06:41:58 Something I learned by accident is just how much processing power and constant network traffic it takes to run a page full of moving ads. (yes, there are even MORE ads on the scroll down pages that are sucking up resources and slowing down your load times) It can take about HALF of your total processor power and a sizable constant stream of data to keep a page full of 6 or more moving ads working all the time. Go get Adblock Plus and use it. You will be amazed at how much quicker your machine becomes. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 08/02/16 at 07:00:49 0221292B282121283F4D0 wrote:
it wasn't my OS password, I got that site memorized as I use it every time I start the PC The PC keyboard failed and I couldn't access one of ,y forums via my phone because the site wouldn't accept my password form my phone I think I figured the problem out, but by then I had the keyboard working (reboot x 5, might be a hardware problem starting on the &300 machine) I looked for the docking station you showed for my phone, but I guess they don't make it for ZTE Maven, bummer If my phone would work with that, I could just android all the time Considering you cannot buy that laptop without win 10, so can't actually get it for 10 bux, I think I'll pass, what i need is something like that dock, or a tablet that'll accept the SIM card for a phone (if Cricket will allow their SIMs to be used in Tablets) then I could get unlimited high speed for what I now pay for 5 gigs :o |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/02/16 at 09:16:08 Let's see, when you guys asked how MS was doing I replied that they aren't talking any at all, whatsoever, and that generally says that bad things are happening that MS doesn't want widely known. One item has come up out of the end of the arm twisting mess that was the Free Windows 10 offer -- an item that does get tracked independently already without MS actually having to say it out loud. http://www.pcworld.com/article/3102910/browsers/in-the-browser-election-chrome-leads-by-a-landslide.html Chrome reached a major milestone last month when it was used by more than half of those browsing from a personal computer, data published Monday showed. According to U.S. analytics vendor Net Applications, Chrome's user share grew by more than 2 percentage points in July, the fourth time in the last six months that its gains were of that size, to end the month at 51%. In the last 12 months, Chrome has added 23.1 percentage points to its user share, starting that stretch with less than 30% and ending by owning a majority of the worldwide desktop browser market. Only two browsers have controlled more than half of the global browser share this century: Microsoft's Internet Explorer (IE), which held a majority until December 2015, and now Chrome. As throughout 2016, most of Chrome's July gains came at the expense of Microsoft's browsers. IE and the newer Edge collectively lost 2.1 percentage points, dropping to 34.7%, a record low. Apple's Safari shed one-tenth of a point, falling to 4.5%, its lowest level since November 2015. Mozilla's Firefox recovered a small slice of the user share it has lost in the past year, climbing one-tenth of a percentage point to 8.1% during July. Firefox fell under 10% in May and has not seen that mark since. But the browser story for July was the continued ascent of Chrome. Since the beginning of the year, Chrome has added 18.6 percentage points of user share. The boost was essentially a gift from Microsoft, which in January demanded that IE users upgrade to the newest version available for their edition of Windows, and at the same time dropped all client-OS support for 2009's IE8 and 2012's IE10. The mandate required most customers to upgrade to IE11. Faced with Microsoft's requirement, many rethought their choice of browsers instead. The unexpected result: Millions abandoned IE and switched to Chrome. Although Microsoft may have expected Edge, the default browser in Windows 10, to collect users as they migrated to the new operating system, that has not happened. July's data from Net Applications showed that only 24% of all Windows 10 users ran Edge, a decline from 36% the year before. http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2016/08/ie-surrenders-crown-100674771-large.idge.jpg Google's Chrome passed the 50% mark in July as it continued to steal market share from MS IE and MS Edge. If Chrome continues growing its share at the rate of the past 12 months, it will exceed 60% by December. Unless Microsoft arrests IE & Edge's free fall, the once-dominant MS browsers will fall to 27% by the end of 2016 The browser is THE most used, most backbone application possible. People who know how to use the Chrome browser well are MUCH more likely to adopt Chromebooks as it is all "easy like home turf" to them at the time of changeover. And remember, MS did this to themselves by forcing people to give up their old IE 8 and coercing them to upgrade their Win 7 and Win 8 over to the Edge loving Win 10 product. A large browser shift at this junction seems to indicate "some amount of user rebellion" at what MS did to them. And a whopping 23% market share drift during the Win 10 roll out seems to say that normal users think that Edge browser sucks rocks big time. Ditto for IE 11 ????? :-/ The users are moving away from both products you know. And if that "extend the lines on the graphs" based prediction for next year of a co-linear 27% drop in MS browsers market share (with all of it going over to Chrome) is anywhere near true, it is potentially some VERY bad news for MS. Remember, Win 10 was totally free last year, but now it will cost you $120 dollars of your own money ...... that has got to affect things going forward. The quiet hint coming from this is that the tipping point for MS is past tense already. April, 2016 was when MS began to fade on you. And that is why MS has gone silent --- they don't want anyone to figure this out and kill their stock price. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/02/16 at 09:48:17 A personal recommendation: Download and install Chrome browser and get used to using it -- if it all goes away on you, then you personally will already be all trained and ready to go for a replacement OS ...... The rewarding side benefit is SPEED !!!! Chrome browser is faster than MS browsers and it does not lock up all the time like they do either. Remember to go get ADBLOCK PLUS and put it on any browser that you currently use, especially them MS things that are already plagued with ads you cannot get rid of (courtesy of good 'ol MS). |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 08/03/16 at 00:29:46 It's probably me, or something I've done OF, but, the Get Win 10 icon suddenly reappeared, same old message that the free offer has gone. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 08/03/16 at 11:49:20 So I installed Adblock Plus and the Get Win 10 icon disappeared again. The Adblock Plus seems to be working. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/03/16 at 16:41:57 The GREAT ANNIVERSARY UPGRADE, much touted by MS to get folks to sign up before the offer ended, turns out to be ...... a weekly upgrade with not much new or better stuff in it. WINDOWS 10 SO FAR MS has created an OS version that allowed them to dump all support for all older Windows versions, allowed them to churn the basic hardware drivers and break a goodly number of older machines and to totally locked users into a nightly upgrade/inspect system that is actually empowered by MS to DELETE USER INSTALLED DRIVERS AND SOFTWARE off the users machine at MS's whim. (and it can also delete alternate OS partitions now) Now MS is choking "their" machines with ads that make "their" machines run like crap, and you are stuck with it. Congrats, you are a real "wiener" in this MS upgrade contest ..... =============================================== http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/windows-10-delete-partitions.jpg Folks just figured out what the anniversary surprise really was ...... https://www.google.com/?ion=1&espv=2#q=users+say+Windows+10+anniversary+update+borked+their+partitions Microsoft has just attempted to purge those nasty alternate OS items cluttering up your hard drive. Locking, removing Grub boot data tables and in some cases deleting entire partitions seems to be the common thread here. So what happened to me yesterday wasn't a one off item by any means. This is sad, but it is "historically typical" for MS to do arrogant stuff like this "by accident" and to apologize for it after the fact. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/03/16 at 18:16:20 Confirmed: MS just staged an attack on Linux >:( http://hothardware.com/news/linux-users-reporting-windows-10-anniversary-update-hoses-their-dual-boot-partitions The computer press folks are reporting this as an organized attack on non-MS partitions. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/04/16 at 08:50:25 The ever unapologetic Microsoft issues a "fix" for the Anniversary Upgrade brouhaha -- a special GO BACK screen to be used within 10 days of the Anniversary Upgrade. http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/win10-roll-back.jpg Why is this just a band-aid slapped over a cancer sore? It cannot undo the partition damages nor can it undo the new wave of driver damage that is being done by the Anniversary Upgrade. :P Brother Printer is emailing all registered Win 10 users with a special happy note: Brother sent out an email indicating that their customers may need to uninstall and reinstall your printers/scanners after this upgrade. Why? MS replaced your Brother installed (correctly working) drivers with "other non-working MS drivers". Brother is tired of this and is sick of getting machines returned because of MS's endless frick ups. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/04/16 at 18:12:43 http://www.infoworld.com/article/3104389/microsoft-windows/the-case-against-windows-10-anniversary-update-grows.html Woody on Windows speaks his mind. The case against Windows 10 Anniversary Update grows http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2015/12/change-fail-100635110-primary.idge.jpg The Anniversary Update makes the entire Group Policy setting for Configure Automatic Updates useless. While the gpedit setting for Configure Automatic Updates is still there, changing the setting there has no effect in the Win10 user interface (Start > Settings > Update & security > Update settings). It’s still too early to tell exactly how that’ll work, but the “Available updates will be downloaded and installed automatically” notice appearing in the Settings app does not inspire confidence. There are more credible reports about Win10 locking up completely after the Anniversary Update. Redditor KuruQan found out that running a clean install fixes the problem. There are many different solutions proposed, but nothing official from Microsoft. We don’t even have official acknowledgment that the problem exists. It looks like System Restore gets turned off when you install the Anniversary Update. Several of the reported problems disappear if you roll back to the previous version of Windows -- for those in the Insider program, that means going back to build 14393.0 (or possibly .5). For those of you who aren’t in the beta test program, that means rolling back to the Fall Update, build 1511. But there’s yet another problem with rollbacks. Richard Hay reported yesterday on Windows Supersite that Microsoft has just -- unilaterally, and without notification to anyone -- changed the rules, so rollbacks can only be performed for 10 days after the initial installation. “Microsoft can now recover anywhere between 3 and 5GB of storage space on the users device that would normally be occupied by the previous operating system files that were saved for a possible rollback recovery.” That’s a decent argument now, but somebody should’ve told Microsoft last year when they silently pushed 3GB to 6GB of unwanted data onto Windows 7 and 8.1 computers as part of the “Get Windows 10” effort. How convenient to have that change of heart. Adding insult to ignominy, the Anniversary Update is changing all sorts of settings. The officially recognized changes include: Pen Settings. To personalize your pen settings, go to Settings > Devices > Pen & Windows Ink. Notification settings. To personalize, go to Settings > System > Notifications & actions > Notifications. Tablet Mode settings. To personalize, go to Settings > System > Tablet Mode. Virtual Desktops. To recreate your virtual desktops, click the Task View icon on your taskbar and select Add New Desktop. Poster jescott418 on the same Microsoft Answers thread adds this: Just great, all the tiles are live again, back to annoying notifications, default icons Edge, and Store back on taskbar which is not such a big deal. But still, so much for customizing your PC anymore. Well, I just got to move past Windows I guess. No respect for the individual user anymore. Can't stop these updates and I guess can't expect your PC will be like before they updated. Long-time Windows user, really had enough. The list of broken drivers goes on and on. For example, Brother Corp just sent a reassuring email to all their customers that says: This notice is for customers using Win10 OS. If you are not using Win10, this notice does not pertain to you. The next major update to Windows 10 is scheduled to be released on August 2nd, 2016. After your Windows 10 PC has been updated, either automatically or by manually updating through Windows Updates, you may no longer be able to print or scan using the USB and Network connections. To resolve this issue, you will need to uninstall the existing Brother software and then reinstall it. With the update rolling out slowly, there’s a good chance it hasn’t yet tried to install itself on your machine. If that’s the case, you can proactively try to block the update for now. If you’re on a Wi-Fi connection, you can use the metered connection trick to keep the Anniversary Update off your machine. If you have Windows 10 Pro, you can bypass the forced update to Win10 Anniversary Update by clicking Start > Settings > Update & recovery > Advanced Options and check the box marked Defer upgrades. If you aren’t on Wi-Fi and only have Win10 Home, you’re forced into a considerably more complex blocking situation which involves using wushowhide to keep it off your machine. There’s one conclusion that rings out loud and clear: Windows 10 desperately needs a way to control forced updates. And I’ve said it for the past 18 months, but Windows 10’s aching Achilles’ heel is patching. Microsoft’s refusal to allow normal Win10 users to vet patches before they’re pushed still ranks as one of the main reasons to avoid Windows 10. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/04/16 at 18:38:55 http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/operating-systems/windows-10-anniversary-update-hit-by-installation-issues-and-cortana-woes-1325942 Win 10 Anniversary Upgrade head lady speaks with forked tongue last week about " but also we don’t ship a build unless we know we can upgrade from that build to the next build without any issues.” http://winsupersite.com/site-files/winsupersite.com/files/imagecache/large_img/uploads/2016/06/alone-513525640.jpg “There are many ways to do it,” she said, referring to releasing Insider updates instead of full builds. ”So we’re trying a lot of different things in-house to see what makes sense for PC versus phone, what makes sense for Fast Ring versus Slow Ring. In terms of what we were working on last week, it was a little bit of that, but also we don’t ship a build unless we know we can upgrade from that build to the next build without any issues.” Sweetheart, you lied out of your pretty teeth last week, didn't you? Cortana curtailed Another problem is happening to Windows 10 users who have successfully installed the upgrade, only to find that Cortana has been banished from their system. One Microsoft community forum denizen posted that: "Cortana worked perfectly before AU [Anniversary Update], but after AU it just disappeared. All Cortana settings are missing." And others replied that they faced the same issue, plus we've seen further complaints elsewhere on the net about Cortana being ditched by the update. Gordon Kelly at Forbes gets out front again, releasing secret internal MS source info that says MS intends to complete the door-less walled garden wall soon, throw out the Linux trash and start charging the $7-$10 per month for the Walled Garden World maintenance fee. Note now that MS will now TURN OFF YOUR SYSTEM RESTORE, trash entire partitions off your machine, deny you very basic things like Cortana and cut your roll back rights down to only 10 days ..... yep, something's up, alright. Hey, you ain't paid for using that there Cortana girlie, buddy ..... get'cher hands offa that digital cupcake, creep, lessen you done paid Satya to fondle her !! :P |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 08/04/16 at 20:32:09 ADBLOCKER PLUS seems to have eliminated all ads. I will think about Chrome, is it much better than Bing? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/04/16 at 20:48:05 It is so much better than MS's products that MS has actually put "somewhat some true, but a lot of false" warnings and such INTO THEIR OS ITSELF to try to tell you not to use it. The EU is getting ready to yank on MS's leash over doing such tricks, as MS is committing "actions in restraint of trade" by throwing FUD bombs at their competitors, especially for false warnings items that they were stupid enough to write inside their OS itself. But you must understand, if MS cannot stop or reverse this trend, then they are gone inside of 3-5 years. If you get it that the gloves are off now and MS is doing EVERYTHING they can to survive, then you get where you are right now. http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2016/08/ie-surrenders-crown-100674771-large.idge.jpg We are now 4 days past the Anniversary Update and MS's talking heads are saying that this was the last of the Year 1 Beta style updates (with all their fuzzy badness and general incompleteness). What comes next is Enterprise Roll out (and according to Forbes, the monthly maintenance fee suddenly appears). Big Picture -- for someone who was happy on Win 7 this whole mess could have been avoided IF MS was acting like a decent OS provider. Instead, MS has lied and tricked their old customer base into locking themselves into the new MS Walled Windows Garden. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/05/16 at 09:25:37 http://www.zdnet.com/article/yes-microsoft-should-drop-windows-mobile-for-android-and-buy-jide-remix-os/ http://www.xda-developers.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Remix-OS.png Yes, Microsoft should drop Windows Mobile for Android and buy Jide Remix OS James Kendrick sees an easy way for the folks in Redmond to drop Windows Mobile and make Android hardware: Microsoft should acquire the Remix OS through a purchase of Jide. Having used Remix OS for over a year, it's clear to me that this variant of Android is tailor-made for Microsoft. It's a full version of Android that has been designed to look and work much like Windows, right down to a file manager and familiar taskbar. Throw in the ability to run apps in windows on tablets and it's perfect for the Windows brand. That's a good fit for the folks in Redmond and would allow them to put a Windows brand on it even though it is Android. Its Android apps already work out of the box on Remix OS and it wouldn't restrict those from OEM partners. It's a win-win for Microsoft. This makes perfect sense to me. Remix OS runs Microsoft's apps so well. This is especially true of Office. It's a Microsoft variant for Android that already exists. It would only have to acquire the company and run with it. The smart people at Microsoft could turn Remix OS into a cool Windows version of Android while still supporting partners' Android hardware. Having a Microsoft "Windroid" phone would have a mass appeal. Kendrick was a MS booster, then he became a MS apologist at the start of Win 10, remember he was the one that did not believe Borging was something MS would ever ever do (then he got Borged) ..... then after that rude awaking he became a MS basher and non-apologist extraordinary. Now he is saying Jide/Android runs MS Office products better than MS Windows Anniversary Update can run it. And Kendrick is saying that MS had better buy Jide ASAP before Google absorbs all that Jide tech. Only fly in that ointment is Google is still paying support money to their pilot fish Jide (all 3 of the original Jide folks were actually Google folks) and Google has some IP rights to all the tech as the Jide dudes built it while still at Google. And the Android x86 part of Jide OS is FOSS software, which MS cannot lock down or own either. Kendrick is just being insulting to MS since their stuff is so flaky right now that Jide might well be a stability improvement. ::) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/09/16 at 08:13:13 http://liliputing.com/2016/08/micron-unveils-3d-nand-flash-storage-smartphones.html Micron unveils 3D NAND flash storage for smartphones http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/3d-nand.jpg Remember Samsung's new superfast (expensive) SSD type memory that was both LARGE CAPACITY and on a single ball grid array (solder in place) chipset? Here is Micron's alternative, which is HUGE in capacity and small in size with no claims made so far for any increase in speed yet over the current existing NAND memory speeds. NAND is still much faster than SD cards, so it is still a good thing, but who needs a terabyte of memory in a smart phone? When your phone is your PC you may need that much larger storage to carry your world around with you. Good thing about this is PRICE AND FEATURE COMPETITION that will kick in now, is that Samsung has been getting very large "first out" price bonuses so far and now some real competition will whittle that down to "reasonable pricing" very quickly. ALL OPERATING SYSTEMS will be much faster acting using this sort of memory. And the good news is that your slim, modern looking phone will still be able to be your PC as this memory can also be laid down on its side, flat to the motherboard. ;) ...... and if you are holding spinning platter hard drive company stocks (Seagate, Maxtor, etc.) it is time to sell them before they become worthless. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/09/16 at 18:26:28 http://liliputing.com/2016/08/windows-insiders-might-want-leave-preview-program.html Brad Linder issues a warning for Windows Preview people Windows Insiders might want to leave the preview program (for a while) Now this is a rare occasion, because Brad has always been pretty strictly neutral in the main OS wars stuff. But now he is issuing a firm warning to everybody. If I understand rightly, he is saying that Windows development crew is pretty much completely done with individual desktops and is getting ready to shift over into Enterprise (business) functions and it is going to shortly go to places that you don't want to go --- it is just going to go break your home style stuff pretty much completely with no advantage out on the table for you home users at all ..... so, follow the links shown and opt out while your Windows stuff is in "the best condition seen so far". Yeah, I know, you want your Cortana back ...... Sorry :-[ |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/10/16 at 15:20:11 What is the state of the art on the REALLY cheap stuff ..... (or, can I really do this stuff for free like they promised ??) I went to the FreedomPOP well and got a $29 bucket of very stinky water, which I worked on and over (and over again) until I had a functional (not good, a functional somewhat rain-barrel bad sounding) phone that would make calls and texts (no voicemail) that cost me ZERO $$$ ongoing, supposedly forever) -- but I do get a gig of tower data each month and a phone with "so so" sub-par voice reception all for a one time investment of $29 (and a large amount of bitching having to be done at various FreedomPOP folks that has to be repeated every month or so when they try to welsh on the deal). Next, Google Fi --- I spent $249 up front for a 5x Nexus phone with 32 gigs of memory. The Fi service is flawless at $30 a month (and I get back $9 every month in unused data reimbursement). Best phone and service I have ever had, bar none. It really is good stuff but it isn't free, it costs $30 a month less the monthly data rebate. Google Fi believes strongly in WiFi, and the phone can work off of WiFi just dandy. Google Fi also lets you put your call making tower service on vacation for up to 3 months at a lick if you should hit a place in your life where you don't need tower service (or to make or take tower calls). Google wants you to be able to ditch your towers, they think towers SUCK. Google intends to offer full internet and phone service to you and your home by long distance wireless before very long, and that will be nice when it finally gets here. When that comes, you'll need a new phone, I suspect. Cost split between your house and your phones might actually be close to reasonable, too. So I cut my tower stuff off and use the 5x as a mobile computer terminal at my bedside table, and I carry the rain barrel FreedomPOP phone for the like 1-2 calls a month I actually do make. Either one of my phones can ride up on the handlebars of my bike as my GPS. Google has made the off line Google Maps GPS trick work really really well off of stored maps, and they now let you store your maps off line on removable SD card media. I am currently paying out nothing monthly for having both a tablet and a phone and a bike GPS, with an acquisition cost of $229 for the entire package. ====================================== The Really Cheap Gaming PC is still getting better, too. I have finished re-doing my really cheap (separate gaming video card) Linux box with a Win 10 Steam based gaming partition, I can load Steam games both on the Linux side and the Windows side, with "MS restricted games" like Tomb Raider only working on the Windows partition side of things. ======================================= I have begun working now on the SUPER cheap (totally free) Android PC project, which is any out of date machine (laptop or box) that can be told to boot from a USB drive. The USB thumb drive contains Jide Android for x86 and has the rest of the drive (over 5 gigs empty) is enough to hold your entire Jide PC world so you can carry it all with you and run it off of any hunk of computing hardware that allows USB booting. Please remember, these same tricks would work with Linux and most smaller distros, but Android x86 is so very small and light that ANY old Intel processor that can bios boot off a USB stick is way overkill type strong for processor, memory and speed which tends to make Jide Remix run like a scalded dog on this grade of Wintel throw away equipment. To make this project "more real" performance-wise I am using a really cheap ($5) 8 gigabyte USB 2.0 drive instead of the faster 3.0 grade of USB drive -- actually I was sorta thinking "Art Web style" equipment for something he could be mailed and he could just plug it in and use it after going into his bios just once to set up USB booting order. Not that many old crap style Wintel boxes and laptops support USB 3.0 anyway. ======================================= Was able to download and install the Jide Remix OS for x86 software on the 8 gig cheapie USB stick. Upon reboot, my Linux box (old Dell 780 off lease business machine) attempted to boot and got most of the way through the boot process before faulting out (Remix OS was not expecting the separate AMD video card instead of the built-in Intel graphics, I suspect). Went over to my Win 10 machine and attempted a cold boot on that machine and Win 10 immediately DESTROYED the software on the stick completely -- MS does not approve of Linux or Jide OS or anything else touching "their" machine. I think Win 10 treated it like a trojan or virus attack. I will wait until Jide comes out with the next iteration and give it another try. ;) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/12/16 at 18:33:27 A NEW GOOGLE OS IS COMING ....... http://https://s.aolcdn.com/dims5/amp:6529c6a562bb1d4ba6b0a8112e55353c9db35ad0/q:100/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fo.aolcdn.com%2Fdims-shared%2Fdims3%2FGLOB%2Fcrop%2F3552x2368%2B0%2B0%2Fresize%2F1600x1067%21%2Fformat%2Fjpg%2Fquality%2F85%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fo.aolcdn.com%2Fhss%2Fstorage%2Fmidas%2Fea124a19b295ec4995997d014c413121%2F204200300%2F493889023.jpg Google has begun git hub based "out in the open" work on a new OS code named Fuchsia. Based on what has been seen included in the git hub, it is the kinda sorta combination of Android and Chrome OS using newer code groups except it isn't the other two merging together and coming up as one, it is a completely separate THIRD Google OS offering. This is logical, since Google now has long distance tower type Wifi coming out in all the Google Fiber cities and this new tech means the Google Fiber wave may kick into high gear and cover more cities more quickly. Project LOON covers the same sort of long distance tower type Wifi and if Google can cover your phones and your house with the same tech then a phone/PC OS specifically aimed at the new tech might be needed. A wave of change may be coming -- new stuff driven by revolutionary new lower cost tech. http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/08/12/google-developing-new-fuchsia-os-also-likes-making-new-words/ Enter “Fuchsia.” Google’s own description for it on the project’s GitHub page is simply, “Pink + Purple == Fuchsia (a new Operating System)”. Not very revealing, is it? When you begin to dig deeper into Fuchsia’s documentation, everything starts to make a little more sense. First, there’s the Magenta kernel based on the ‘LittleKernel’ project. Just like with Linux and Android, the Magenta kernel powers the larger Fuchsia operating system. Magenta is being designed as a competitor to commercial embedded OSes, such as FreeRTOS or ThreadX. However, Magenta is designed to scale much better, enabling Magenta to work on embedded devices, smartphones, and desktop computers. For this to happen, Magenta improves upon its LittleKernel base by adding first class user-mode support (a necessity for user accounts) and a capability-based security model (which would enable something like Android 6.0’s permissions to work). But that’s just the kernel; what about the rest of the OS? It looks like Google is using Flutter for the user interface, as well as Dart as the primary programming language. The icing on the cake is Escher, a renderer that supports light diffusion, soft shadows, and other visual effects, with OpenGL or Vulkan under the hood. Shadows and subtle color reflections are a key component of Material Design, so it seems Flutter and Escher could be designed for the Material Design UI in mind. We know it has support for both 32-bit and 64-bit ARM CPUs, as well as 64-bit PCs. If you have the technical prowess, you can even compile it yourself and run it on a real PC or a virtual machine. Travis Geiselbrecht from Google also confirmed it will soon be available for the Raspberry Pi 3. So, why? Why is Google quietly developing a brand new OS and kernel, with support for smartphones and PCs, possibly built with Material Design in mind? The most obvious guess, and the most exciting, is that Google hopes to one day replace Chrome OS and Android with Fuchsia. After 4 days of chatter, some things have become clearer -- Fuchsia will be small and light enough for IoT uses, but have expansion modules that go up past Android into the full PC range uses. This new Fuchsia is being concepted as a full range IoT to phone to laptop to desktop OS and the tools being used to write it are under Google control (and can grow and evolve as the OS grows). If Google says this is FOSS, then MS cannot threaten to sue you (coercion money) any more like they are doing with Android. Googlites are excited about the programming tools, they are Google native FOSS tools which totally shake off even the ghosts of legacy tools like Java, Flash, etc. ;D Google will continue to support Chrome, support Android, and work on their new stuff called Fuchsia. Eventually, one may win out over the others, but that's up to the marketplace. Google isn't Microsoft, no forcing customers into things or any other forms of arm twisting will take place from the "Do no Evil" guys. Google likes to see you do the picking, see you "opt into" the change at the same time you buy new devices. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/14/16 at 05:48:53 Google is working with Qualcomm and other radio suppliers to share the specifics of the long range wifi radio back & forth system they are getting ready to implement. Right now Loon requires a separate receiver for existing PCs as they lack any real form of long distance radio wifi type system. Chromebooks, because they are built to a Google spec sheet anyway and must have the hardware they use registered and held stable by the mgf, are already getting the radio requirements and list of pre-approved radio suppliers that will be used in all new Chromebooks. BTW, Chromebooks will be connected everywhere all the time using the new long distance WiFi system as it is currently concepted. The vast majority of Android phones will likely come very slowly to the new radio specs as until the signals are out there in the wild most of the Oriental mgfs won't spend a penny on something that isn't needed for competitive purposes. Qualcomm radios are built on the chip itself and that has proven historically to be the lowest cost system to use. Qualcomm will adopt the new long distance WiFi standard easily as one of the many that their radios can currently receive and transmit to. Then, as first in the market place again, Qualcomm will again get an ongoing premium for their chipsets. Mediatek will come along first of the Oriental chip suppliers, as Qualcomm will never keep any sort of advantage over Mediatek for very long -- Mediatek has their "beat Qualcomm" mantra humming in their head all the time. AT&T is fighting this all the way here in the USA as they see their billions invested in "tower supremacy" being overcome and shortly made irrelevant by a tectonic sized technological shift. But remember, AT&T is just a USA tower guy, one of 5 tower guys here in the USA -- not a real global player as such. Google set out to disrupt the cell tower supremacy folks and to disrupt the cable TV "lock you in" boys and girls -- and they are moving right along with that. Google Fi phones can turn the tower service OFF right now, the future Fi phones won't really need tower service except when running down the highway between points A & B. Microsoft has got their garden walls built up all high and strong now and are EXCLUDING any and all intruders and any and all intruder tech, but that walled castle garden is going to get sort of lonely pretty soon as the old crusty Windows users (our generation) begin to die off. ;) People laughed at those LOON balloons when they came out, but that long distance Wifi tech is now coming to see you as part of Google Fiber. I betcha every little Google sponsored hook up box for your PC or TV, yep, I bet all those little boxes also network (re-transmit) the long distance WiFi signals, yielding both better coverage and range inside buildings and neighborhoods. Think scattered (light cabled) nodes inside large built up areas (with overlapping coverage) that gets multiplied and augmented inside large buildings and neighborhoods by the set top box re-transmitted coverage. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 08/15/16 at 15:41:28 I'm one of the beta folks and downloaded packages regularly, i've always had cortana...its a pain in the ass, always running in the backround using up memory. It's all the advertisements now, I don't even go to a microsoft site. I've been told to download "anti-advertisement" software... which actually has trojans and scripts running in the backround also. I guess you just are going to have to put up with programs that invade your privacy, unless you are a programmer and can work around them. Programmers are like used car salesmen... they sell you their stuff and don't tell you everything you are getting (or not getting). |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/16/16 at 09:25:10 Go here whenever the MS noise gets to be too much, or the advertising interruptions to your day begin to aggravate you too too much. http://www.wallpaperswide.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/umpqua-national-forest-small-waterfall-wallpaper-650x406.jpg Running your computer is supposed to be a pleasant thing, not an arm wrestling contest with an over-controlling MS OS "supplier" ...... Minty green, peaceful and beautiful, that's what can make your day better ...... :) :) :) :) :) :) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/16/16 at 18:51:02 http://liliputing.com/2016/08/intel-joule-tiny-atom-powered-system-module-iot-embedded-applications.html Intel outs their new IoT module ...... Yes I said module, not chipset -- module, a little motherboard with several chipsets on it. http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/joule_05.jpg Let's see if our clever folks on this site can figure out what is wrong with Intel's finest. http://https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR7Jys2Fs8r-XBOpRl0sj_XPymIJHGGYuLu6OjLnZH9jfYuXNRa Here is a pair of Mediatek IoT "system on a chipset" for comparison purposes -- two of them will fit on a microSD card ..... or on Washington's head if you want a direct Intel comparison. ;D As expected, Intel’s Atom branding for low-power processors isn’t dead. The company has just stopped using the Atom name on its chips for laptop, desktop and tablet PCs… and is instead launching new Atom chips designed for Internet of Things (IoT) products. At the Intel Developer Forum in San Francisco, Intel unveiled a new system-on-a-module aimed at IoT developers. It’s called the Joule, and it’s powered by a new Intel Atom chip. Answer: http://liliputing.com/2016/08/intels-new-atom-chips-50-percent-faster-cherry-trail-designed-different-products.html Wondering how Intel managed to squeeze so much more performance out of the new processors? Well, the move from Silvermont to Goldmont architecture surely had something to do with it… but the move away from mobile devices helps too. The new chips can consume much more power (2-3x) than their predecessors. While Atom, Celeron, and Pentium chips based on Silvermont/Cherry Trail/Braswell typically had TDP ratings between 4 watts and 6 watts, the new Goldmont-based chips have 6 to 12 watt TDPs. OK, it is a really big hot running power hog and that thick aluminum shielded motherboard case is needed as a big arsed HEAT SINK (among other reasons). Intel inside (again) ...... ::) |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/16/16 at 19:18:04 Why is Google working on a new OS that is intended for "FAST processors that utilize non-trivial amounts of memory"? Intel processors actually haven't gotten much faster at all for years now, but the ARM processors certainly have gotten MUCH FASTER in the meantime. Apple and Qualcomm have an ongoing competition for processor/graphics speed -- with the octa-core A-72/A-53 Kirin from Haewai and the big Deca cores from Mediatek both moving up mightily on the traditional speed leaders. ARM has been sold now to a banking consortium out of Japan, so we expect some changes to come from the now Apple-less controlled ARM. Apple orchestrated things pretty completely, and insisted that ARM hold back their progress so Apple could milk each new ARM design level in turn, yes, that Apple shite that should end now. Some of the Consortium members have been demanding better processing speed and much better GRAPHICS GRAPHICS GRAPHICS out of ARM for several years now. Now they may get just that. Google sees CHANGE coming, with very fast systems type memory measured in 10's of gigabytes available on all mobile devices. We see the first wave of this memory shipping right now, and it won't be hyper expensive for very long at all as you have 2-3 sources coming on line right now. We see both Huawei /Kirin and Mediatek forcing the current generations of ARM right up to the upper edges of its designs and asking for MORE, please !!!! ======================================= Fuchsia is still in its early stages. Google has it up and running on an Acer Switch Alpha 12, a laptop-tablet hybrid, but apparently also wants to get it running on a Raspberry Pi, a much less powerful machine. It also runs on devices powered by ARM chips, the type that powers almost all phones and tablets. Fuchsia team Some notable developers are contributing to the project. Among them: Travis Geiselbrecht, who worked on a failed but influential operating system from the 1990s called BeOS, the iPhone and the OS for the Danger Hiptop operating system, which T-Mobile sold as the original Sidekick. Brian Swetland, who worked on BeOS, the Hiptop OS and who spent many years toiling on the core parts of Android. Chris McKillop, a member of the original iPhone team and the original WebOS team who also worked on the QNX operating system used in cars and some BlackBerry devices. He also worked on the Danger Hiptop. Adam Barth, a longtime member of Google's Chrome team who more recently has been working on a Google tool designed called Flutter to make it easier for programmers to write software that runs on Android and iOS. He also built an operating system of his own called Tau. This is a team picked for succeeding in past attempts to "redo the whole thing" as that seems to be a part of Fuchsia's bottom to top intentions. This may be an attempt to ditch the inherent limitations of Java and several other traditional Linux/MS designs such as Flash, which have been tweeked to do multi core processors but still there is a strong need for a clean sheet of paper concerning what is going to be happening pretty soon. Google gets that. Design an OS to run cleanly on what is coming ..... ditch the historical legacy stuff if need be. Design for a new type of OS that lives naturally in a 100+ gigabyte fast live systems memory space, in other words. Where graphics speed is the real functioning limitation, not processor or memory access or anything else. Design something that by nature is VR ready, in other words ..... ARM will move in concert, using the capabilities exposed by the new OS and new fast memory space to make their processor generations and associated hardware fit the new capabilities better and better. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/17/16 at 11:46:52 http://www.anandtech.com/show/9878/the-huawei-mate-8-review/4 Huawei’s Kirin 950 Octa-Core A-72 / A-53 chipset has come out shipping in phones now, kicking everybody's arse (except mebbe for the current Apple chipset that just shipped). You are looking for year on year progress on the Huawei 8 phone vs all the rest of the pack. http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph9878/78716.png http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph9878/78717.png http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph9878/78710.png Gist here is that Huawei has moved from lower half of the pack to kicking everybody's butt except Apple. This "getting their butts kicked" pack INCLUDES QUALCOMM AND SAMSUNG. Look for the rest of everybody else to GET A LOT BETTER PRETTY DURN QUICK TOO ..... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/17/16 at 17:33:21 Intel just finished a week of "save the company" announcements, the big brown vapor siege cannon firing every morning for a week, with one major brown vapor blast per day. Intel is hurting, their existing lines are partially idle and they have nothing going on in mobile at all --- and this is with more and more industry volume is going in mobile's direction. IoT out of Intel is a poorly crafted joke, with the Intel "IoT modules" being much bigger than the watches that the tech has to go into. Today, Intel announced plans to produce 10nm chipsets for LG off their experimental 10nm plant. If Intel runs true to form in doing foundry work for others, the chipsets will be late (plagued with production problems) and will cost far more than anticipated. LG will take it in the neck, and will eventually move their orders to someone else (Samsung or TSMC) who can actually make the production chipset runs in a timely fashion. But the screwing around will cost LG their market niche for that particular generation of phone .... Same story as Altera, you remember them don't you? Sucked down by non-delivery, destroyed, killed, slaughtered by competition actually shipping things that were actually made by other foundries. What makes anybody think Intel can make a system on a chip for anybody? They have never done so, not even for themselves .... http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/joule_05.jpg Huawei as a two year old start up foundry has made better system on a chip progress than Intel has done in the past 8 years. LG, does the term "Rockchip" mean anything to you at all ???? Partnering with Intel is suicide, dude, you know that, right? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/18/16 at 12:22:51 http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/vr-vest.jpg Seriously, I joke you not -- Intel has come out with their "upper end" VR goggle rig -- and it ain't no goggle like any I have ever seen before. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by bobert_FSO on 08/18/16 at 19:46:43 Hey, Oldfeller, what do you think? Microsoft is moving to Windows 10-style cumulative updates for Win7 and Win8.1. No more choice to pick and choose which updates to install. I assume this means that on my Win7 box, I will no longer be able to skip patches that install phone-home telemetry or that "prepare your computer for later updates" (like Win 10). I also assume this means that I can't back out a single poorly-behaving patch. Will this lead to the 3rd-party driver hell found in Windows 10, where 3rd-party drivers are replaced by generic MS drivers that may or may not work with 3rd-party hardware? I've already decided I'm done with MS and Windows, but I wish they would keep my older Win7 box as it is. Just give me security patches until support is scheduled to go end-of-life. At that point I will be moving to Apple and Linux. http://www.pcworld.com/article/3108407/windows/windows-7-and-8-1-updates-switching-to-cumulative-monthly-rollups-starting-in-october.html |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/18/16 at 22:03:50 The pundits really don't know what Microchoke is going to do, except they all assume an attempt will be made over time to lock all the Win 7 users into the walled garden along with all the "willing" Win 10 people. My crystal ball sez you might functionally wind up with Win 10 eventually, whether you ever opted for it or not. Why ???? Microsoft has no people to upkeep anything BUT Win 10 at this stage --- the real Win 7 support people have all been let go months and months ago. Please remember, the Borg hooks are already present inside your Win 7 machine -- all MS has to do is send you the monthly "cannot be denied" patches as per their current plan until Win 7 perks up one day and shows you its Cortana. Over six months time, your machine will likely be comprised of whatever MS wants your machine to be comprised of. Or else mysteriously dead (that's my vote -- they want to sell you some new hardware that is all locked down 16 different ways with secure boot chipsets). Recommendation: download and install Chrome Browser and Adblock Plus NOW before MS makes that very hard for you to do. Think of it as being in "future OS" training mode ..... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 08/18/16 at 22:22:59 Done the Adblock Plus and it's good, I just don't get ads. Done the Chrome thing and had password issues, now fixed I hope. So I will have to start learning to use it, might be difficult |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/19/16 at 03:58:57 Chrome isn't hard, it has the little stacked 3 dots in the right upper corner of the screen that opens up the internals of the thing. I just ask Chrome how to do whatever it is that I wanted to do (turn on a tool bar, etc) and Chrome will show you what to do with that particular need on the particular version of Chrome that you are using. With MS, you bought a "how to" book back in the day, but they can't write them now because MS won't leave it alone for 5 minutes. Publishers can't keep up and have quit even trying to write the MS books now. Microsoft is likely going to keep getting even more extreme about controlling your machine, and the choices you have to make out in the future are going to get clearer and clearer. We already have to look back at Win 7 as "the good old days of computing", before ads and click-bait came crashing down on our MS machine to make everything crawl along so slowly. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/19/16 at 04:15:25 Something good about Chrome is that you create a G-Mail account as your Google home base. Most of us did this a long time ago as a home base was required for your Android Phone as well. Google will ask if you want all your settings and such preserved on your Google Drive (part of your G-Mail home base). Tell it yes and it will keep a constant record of your settings, etc. such that if you have a crash or change machines you will get a little pop up saying "Do you want Chrome to restore your settings and your favorites?" when first you log into Chrome on the new machine. Google can do what it says, click yes and your world simply reappears. I've done it on new phones and after MS attacks on my gaming partition. I like this feature a lot, painless recovery ..... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/19/16 at 13:53:41 https://www.google.com/?ion=1&espv=2#q=android%20phone%20as%20pc Back to the Android Phone/PC thing again ..... You do realize that Nougat has the basic USB C functionality to run a mouse, keyboard, exterior monitor, right? Just there, just part of any USB C phone once it gets updated to Nougat in a few days. Google is prepping their take on Andromium, but since the capability for it is already there and Nougat has it already built into it, would you mebbe expect a lot of third party docking stations and cable sets to be coming up out of the woodwork? Yeper, the third party technology has a name now, MHL-compatible docks ..... and they look like this for a fairly good one (best rated unit of the current crop): $26 BTW, it also charges your phone ..... the better ones now have larger speakers built in for movie watching, music, etc. http://https://cms-images.idgesg.net/images/article/2015/02/base-1-100569643-large.jpg http://https://cms-images.idgesg.net/images/article/2015/02/base-2-100569644-large.jpg |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/19/16 at 14:13:40 http://liliputing.com/2016/08/google-ditching-support-chrome-apps-windows-mac-linux-not-chrome-os-yet.html Google is ditching support for Chrome apps for Windows, Mac, and Linux (but not Chrome OS… yet) Google gives out a tentative schedule for rolling Chrome into Android ??? then into Fuschia ??? (well, sorta -- mebbe) You’ve got about a year and a half to find alternatives to the Chrome apps you’re currently using. Google is going to phase things out slowly: In late 2016 new Chrome apps will only show up in the Chrome Web Store if you’re using Chrome OS. In the second half of 2017 you won’t see Chrome Apps in the Chrome Web Store at all if you’re using Windows, Mac, or Linux. Sometime in early 2018, Windows, Mac, and Linux users won’t be able to run Chrome apps at all anymore. Google is encouraging developers to convert existing Chrome apps into web apps that can be used across platforms. While Chrome apps will continue to run on Chromebooks indefinitely, I suspect that has more to do with the fact that it doesn’t make a lot of sense to fire up a web app to play a local video or perform other activities that include local data. But now that Google is bringing Android app support to Chrome OS, I wouldn’t be surprised if the days are also numbered for Chrome Apps on Chrome OS. Contrast, MS locks you in, twists your arm and shites on you with no prior warning at all. Google develops its new software in the open, using FOSS principals, and gives you a year and a half's worth of warning that change is on the way. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/19/16 at 19:22:42 http://www.afr.com/technology/apps/uber-to-start-driverless-service-this-month-buys-selfdriving-truck-firm-otto-20160818-gqw7i8 http://www.afr.com/content/dam/images/g/q/a/9/1/4/image.related.afrArticleLead.620x350.gqw7i8.png/1471563031865.jpg By the time I get back to work from my motorcycle trip at Dave's, Uber will be giving away free driverless rides in brand new Volvo driverless cars in Pittsburgh, Ohio as part of their pilot program. Seriously. In their home country, Volvo driverless cars are already in motion and are having no troubles getting around. Driverless Volvo trucks are also in use and are running loads all over Europe as of last month. How did Volvo get so far ahead of Google and the others? Driverless mining vehicles have been built and run by Volvo Mining Operations for like over a decade now. The amount of workers unemployed by this new level of technology will exceed what the normal job growth in our nation can absorb. Toss on top of it all the fry cooks and burger putter together people being put out of work by McDonalds and this current wave of automation is going to take away a mort of American jobs very quickly. Also, your reason for owning your own car may have just went away -- you can ride with Uber cheaper than you can pay for and upkeep your own car, especially if you live in the city. My daddy was a truck driver or my daddy was a taxi driver will soon become another "good 'ol days" sort of statement. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 08/19/16 at 19:24:53 I hope they tested them against m/c's |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/19/16 at 19:35:11 Yep, the big Volvo trucks hardly made a bump when they rolled over them ..... Seriously, your defensive riding techniques had better get sharper, a lot sharper as the programs running these things estimate the "best solution" in the case of a "no choice, must kill" scenario by killing the least number of people. Motorcycles only count for 1, you know. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Art Webb on 08/20/16 at 08:04:01 60434B494A43434A5D2F0 wrote:
so you're saying I should be able to guy one of these to use my phone as a PC soon? or i need to update to nugat first? darn i'm computer illiterate ;D :( |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/21/16 at 08:28:45 Intel plays Liar's Poker and Global Foundry sees their bet and raises them double. Intel is stuck in 14 nanometer and Intel is now touting how they got all these wonderful plans to go to 10 nanometer later this year and to 7nm sometimes next year. Samsung/Global Foundry/IBM are at 10 millimeter right now (by fudging their 14-nanometer process equipment with extra passes) and they are currently producing 10nm chips for Apple, Qualcomm and Samsung at this time. So here comes Intel with a big belated "We are getting ARM support now so we will be there first"? :-? So Global Foundry just dropped a "do you one better" claim on Intel that by the time Intel goes to the 10 nanometer level in REALITY LAND that Global will be shipping 7nm. Part of this is mocking one-upmanship from Global done intentionally because Intel is saying that they will be the first to get to 7nm (and ARM will have to be working with them to get there). And what Global Foundry is quietly NOT saying is that ARM historically supports their loyal RISC chipset builders first, not abuser folks who fire off brown vapor siege cannon all the time (and are in the habit of wrecking their ARM based partners, like Intel did to poor stupid 'ol Rockchip and to Altera even before that). Arm is a Japanese company now, and it is not acting like a British Gentleman's club organization anymore as it was done in the past. Look to see how things and the speed of doing them CHANGE during the last third of this year. And believe NOTHING Intel says, nothing should be considered as factual actual until their supposed partner says it too. Intel's track record for them big stinky brown blasts of "factual actual" haven't been so good lately. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/22/16 at 11:44:47 So, how has the world of computing changed this year? Microsoft embraces Linux programming languages and tools (and actually has Ubuntu up and running on Win 10) as a programming market required item. "We don't want your ever-changing buggy Windows 10" is coming from all the FOSS programmers, programmers that MS so deeply needs right now to help support their slowly failing environment. Intel is now trying to pretty please run some ARM chipsets for SOMEBODY, ANYBODY because their production lines are partially idled again. No real takers so far ..... and no money coming in to pay the bills. In both cases the FOSS world is not very impressed with either of them, and FOSS seems to be looking for the classic "knife in the back trick" to flash forth yet again as both MS and Intel have done so with an ARM partner within the last 2 years. :P |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/22/16 at 12:15:18 What has changed this year in the world of Wintel Computing? What changed this year? MS got rid of their QC department (total 100% lay off) and substituted a Beta program to have the problems reported by volunteer users. Unpaid volunteers, who did their jobs and predicted each one of the following problems that MS then decided (using MS's infinite What is wrong with this picture ???? http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/20/massive-windows-10-update-causing-serious-new-problem/#64a516913847 Discovered by Microsoft MSFT -0.08%-centric blog Thurrott, the Windows 10 Anniversary Update has been found to break “millions” of web cameras for upgraders. The bug affects web cameras of all brands and is even breaking Skype – Microsoft’s own audio and video chat service. As Thurrott writer Brad Sams notes, of particular concern is a Microsoft support thread where it is clear that customers of substantial enterprise clients are being hit hard. One user writes: “We have a working product running for years and millions of unhappy users that are unable to use it at all after this update” with another explaining: “We have millions of users and we are in situation now where we have to tell them not to update the Windows anymore or switch to Mac OS.” ================================================= http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/15/microsoft-warns-windows-10-anniversary-update-crashes-problems/#1757b1ec7745 The ‘Anniversary Update’ is the largest and most important Windows 10 upgrade so far. It is also compulsory, but as it began rolling out reports followed that the mega update is causing PCs to freeze. Now Microsoft MSFT -0.08% has confirmed one major issue and admitted it currently does not have a fix… Taking to its Microsoft Answers support site, the company has posted a new and self explanatory topic titled: ‘Windows 10 may freeze after installing the Anniversary Update’ and states there have been: “Microsoft has received a small number of reports of Windows 10 freezing after installing the Anniversary Update on systems with the operating system stored on a solid-state drive (SSD) and apps and data stored on a separate drive. This issue does not occur when starting Windows 10 in Safe Mode. If you are experiencing this issue, we will be providing updates to this thread…We ask for your patience while we continue our investigation and please check back on this thread for an update.” The reference to “a small number” remains to be seen. The Reddit thread where these problems were first discussed has close to 1,000 comments from affected users and the Microsoft Answers page already has 35 pages of comments from distressed users at the time of publication. =============================================== http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/09/windows-10-anniversary-update-serious-problems/#5a0a6fbc756b What had happened? The Windows 10 Anniversary Update initially installs without issue but the next time the PC is restarted it won’t boot. To the credit of the original Reddit thread poster, 31 updates (to date) have been added to the initial post as different suggestions and claims by posters were tested. These include disabling Secure Boot, editing the registry, reinstalling device drivers and changing installation locations for Windows updates. Microsoft acknowledges the issue but so far nothing other than rolling back to a previous version of Windows has worked to fix it. A solution which doesn’t aid those who did a clean installation of Windows 10 rather than upgrade from either Windows 7 or Windows 8. Meanwhile the list of posts by those suffering the same problem continues to get longer and longer and users have also started to complain to Microsoft’s official Twitter @Microsoft and @MicrosoftHelps profiles as well as Microsoft Community. se I have contacted Microsoft about the issue. I’ll update if/when a statement is made. With Microsoft executives admitting Windows 10 will not hit its 2018 target of one billion installations even before the free Windows 10 upgrade period closed last month, these crashes by the heavily promoted Anniversary Updates are the last thing the company needed on top of the failed one billion sell-through of the new OS system. ........... repeat of old news ........ For months Microsoft has been describing Windows 10 “as a service” and now we know why. Microsoft is going to introduce a monthly subscription fee for Windows 10 usage… That cost will be $7 per user per month but the good news is it only applies to enterprises for now. The new pricing tier will be called “Windows 10 Enterprise E3” and it means Windows has finally joined Office 365 and Azure as a subscription service. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/22/16 at 17:11:59 http://www.pcworld.com/article/3094785/windows/yes-windows-10-subscriptions-are-coming-at-least-for-enterprise.html A business size of only one person would apply .... right now the pop talk is the first ones to sign up get Office 365 included and Cloud Services are also included, which means it might be worth it for the early adopting die hard windows lover. Or it might be worth learning how to use Google stuff, as it is free ongoing, as is Linux. I think MS is learning to their dismay that a very great many people understand Linux just fine, especially any form of programmer type person. However, you can now go buy a license "oldstyle" for $129 that is only good for the life of the exact device that you put it on (device and license are locked together forever) but any future updates and upgrades ARE NOT GUARANTEED TO BE FREE FOR THE LIFE OF THE DEVICE. Major Updates and Major Upgrades are always to be considered "value and cost added" propositions ...... :P .... See the bloodbowl, see the bloodknife ..... Moo -- Moo real pretty for me baby while I slowly stick it in .... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/29/16 at 01:50:49 http://liliputing.com/2016/08/maru-os-now-open-source-turns-android-phones-linux-desktops.html So much for bashing on Win 10 and MS -- What is happening to replace it ??? is the real question now. http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/maru-os.jpg We have this new entry in the "replace MS Windows with your Android phone" sweepstakes, it is Maru OS, which is a light Linux variant that is intended to go on any Android phone that has a USB/MHL capable connection and at least a gig of phone memory. There is a crop of developers working up various popular phones to work with the new OS. It is early yet on this one, but it exists now and will only get better with time. Being a FOSS project, anyone can glom on to any tricks they come up with so you can expect standard Linux programs to perhaps be able to run on future Android phones if Google picks up on these tricks. By run, I mean as a natural part of the OS, possibly. Google needs to consider this as Linux is seen as a good thing by MS that they WANTED available inside their Win 10 OS because if they lacked it they would lose even more market share than they have currently lost. Same tread of reasoning, taken sorta backwards can explain Fuchsia, a NON-Linux based, built only using the most modern Google open source tools OS system. Google may not want MS to be able to take over their next phone, tablet and PC OS system like MS has now actually done to Linux (and it is rumored that MS plans to do to Android next). Fuchsia also will stop MS's extortion program that is getting a billion dollars a year out of the various phone manufactures for "an undisclosed patent infringement" in their Android versions. Yes, this is an out and out MS extortion -- pay MS yearly or we will invent something to sue you hard enough and frequently enough to make the "reasonable sized licensing fee" seem to be a good deal -- you will have to pay your lawyers much more than the yearly fee just to show up in court to defend yourself against our vague and specious patent claims. Maru OS is essentially a custom version of Google Android which also includes Debian Linux running in an LXC Linux Container. When you connect a display with a USB/MHL cable, you can run Linux desktop apps without rebooting your mobile device, allowing you to take phone calls and receive notifications even while you’re using Firefox, LibreOffice, GIMP, or other desktop software. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/30/16 at 07:22:48 BOOM !!!! goes the large brown vapor siege cannons .... Kaby Lake is here !!! Celebrate !!! Dance in the streets !!! Run out and buy something new !!! Please !!! http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/kaby.jpg http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/kaby_02.jpg Tick ..... Tock .... Debug and Optimize We are now in the third year of the "same old same old" from Intel (all at 14nm). The following is the pundits speaking, with them saying gently that the chips are pretty much the same stuff as before, just the mobile ones have even more of the old tech energy controlling nanny chips implemented to try to keep them from overheating. We remember how well this worked (not very well, actually) from years past when Intel did the same thing to existing chip designs and called them "mobile chips". :P The mobile chips are "pre-throttled" and power consumption limited out the arse and the "normal" chips still choke down by half as they get hot. Interestingly the pricing isn’t all that different for the different classes of chips, and the peak performance should also be similar… the key differences between Y and U series chips is the base clock speed. U series chips will have a base clock speed that’s about twice that of their Y series counterparts, which means even when not working at full capacity, they’ll be faster. Meanwhile, the lower-power Y series chips should be able to offer longer battery life in some situations (assuming you have the same sized battery) and/or fit into thinner, lighter form factors. That helps explain the change in naming: Intel and its hardware partners don’t want you to think of Core M/Y-series chips as cheaper, lower-performance cousins to their Core i/U-series processors. Instead, they’re simply designed to fit into tight spaces where more power-hungry chips might overheat. At least that’s the idea. It’ll be interesting to see how it holds up in real-world performance. Please note the word "chips" -- there is no system on a chip integration from Intel, even now after 8 years of trying. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/30/16 at 10:52:57 Fiscal pruning time on the "social progress" items at Alphabet (Google). Each branch of the Google Project X tree must account for itself for the very first time, and there are some losers that are getting pruned early this time around. First prune job goes to Google Fiber, all capital has been held until such time that the various installation cities pass ordinances that allow the Google hired third party local cable crews to move the other folks stuff around as they reconfigure all the boxes and telephone poles JUST ONCE. This has to be resolved city by city before Google lays another inch of fiber optic cable in that city. This is in response to AT&T playing games with local ordinances and Union rules which is forcing Google to do it all three times in stages. This "dog in the manger" stuff must stop ASAP. Next, Alphabet now wants the long distance wireless tech stuff brought completely to the table and implemented in at least one city so they can really really believe it works like it is said to work. Potentially very disruptive if they can pull that trick off ..... and if it works good Google Fiber rolls forward using that tech 100%. This puts the new Webpass guys both under the gun and under the microscope .... perform guys, like you said you could when we bought you a few months back .... Next, no more Pixel Chromebooks will be built -- Alphabet points to brand new HP and Dell units that are built up to that level now and Google should not and will not compete with their own vendors over a market niche once the niche finally takes off. The Pixel idea rolls over to very very top end expensive phones now, with super deluxe PC type features. Ditto for low cost Nexus phones since the market place has adopted all the Nexus tricks and and all the Nexus goodies are all in play now from all the major vendors. I bought me one of the last of the Nexus phones -- until such time the market needs to be nudged again you won't see another low cost Nexus phone. Project Auria (the modular phone) is being cut completely and is being replace by Pixel Phones (sorta like Nexus as being thought leaders, but not low cost phones at all -- very pricey very deluxe phones). Alphabet has dropped work levels down on the Google Car as the Google car is not the ground breaking thing any more since Volvo came out of their deep dark hole (Volvo Mining Operations) with a fully developed system that is fully installed and is WORKING RIGHT NOW in Pittsburgh, Ohio with Uber owned Volvo cars and with some Uber owed Volvo trucks rolling down the interstate RIGHT NOW as we speak. Volvo has been doing this down in mines (tunnels and open pit style mines) for over 10 years now -- it ain't nothing new to them. Volvo is your automatic car leader now and that market niche shows signs of taking off nicely. Need a load picked up, just use your Uber app. Go buy you some Uber stock -- they are gonna be worldwide big before long if they can keep their momentum up like it is right now. ::) Cutting these loss points early after a niche takes off (or fails to take off) will help Alphabet as a company keep Project X outlay costs down and allow them to roll these same saved resources towards some new projects that still have their full disruptive potential undiminished. This pruning should take place every year going forward, and if a project won't blossom and set any real fruit in a few years, it should be pruned -- the earlier the better. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/30/16 at 12:26:17 There were questions as to why Intel bothered coming out with the not-so-different new Kaby Lake chipsets, chipsets with no throughput increases or any other real noticeable differences to the previous chips that were being sold as of last week. Indeed, they seemed to be pure Intel little brown gas farts with NOTHING to recommend them at all ..... But, all has become clear now -- Microsoft has demanded that ALL the lock down features be turned on the new chips and brand new part numbers be assigned to any chip that wants to run all the new features of Win 10 from this point forward. The OS install programs will look for the main processor chip part number and will only load/run the latest Win 10 if it finds a part number on the approved list. If you try to load a new copy of Win 10 on an old machine it won't want to load at all. If you finesse it and get it to load anyway you won't get the new features that depend on "on-processor support items" and your new copy of Win 10 may behave very very badly for you. If you try to load an old Win OS copy (or a Linux) on to that brand new machine, it will immediately fail on you in some mysterious fashion because it is missing something that the new chip's on board lock down subsystems need that is only included in the NEWEST Win 10 releases ..... http://www.pcworld.com/article/3112663/software/microsoft-made-em-do-it-the-latest-kaby-lake-zen-chips-will-support-only-windows-10.html Microsoft is slamming the door shut on PC builders and upgraders who might have hoped to use the new Intel Kaby Lake or AMD Zen chips for Windows 7 or Windows 8 PCs. Sorry: Both chips are officially supported only by Microsoft’s Windows 10. Microsoft's mandate is discreet rather than secret. In January, the company tried to shorten its support lifecycle for Intel Skylake PCs running Windows 7 and 8, a policy the company subsequently abandoned after much outcry. But Microsoft’s statements have also consistently included a critical caveat: The latest generations of silicon—specifically Intel’s Kaby Lake chip, Qualcomm’s 8996, and AMD’s Bristol Ridge silicon—will all require Windows 10. “As new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the latest Windows platform at that time for support,” a Microsoft spokeswoman reopen your vein monthly for poor old MSplied, when asked to confirm that that position was still in place. The goal appears to be to move forward with new features, even if it means leaving some users behind. “This enables us to focus on deep integration between Windows and the silicon, while maintaining maximum reliability and compatibility with previous generations of platform and silicon.” Why this matters: Microsoft's push forward, however rational from a technology standpoint, robs PC enthusiasts of their choice of operating systems—a freedom this particular sector of the community has loudly defended in the past. This could have broader implications for the PC market, too: It could be the deciding factor that finally brings about the abandonment of Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 and perhaps ending dual boot Linux distros as well. What the mandate means for PC users AMD and Intel, for their part, appear to have had little choice in Microsoft’s decision essentially to limit the customers they can sell to. “We are committed to working with Microsoft and our ecosystem partners to help ensure a smooth transition given these changes to Microsoft’s Windows support policy,” an Intel spokesman said. "No, Intel will not be updating Win 7/8 drivers for 7th Gen Intel Core per Microsoft’s support policy change," he added in an email on Tuesday. An AMD representative was equally neutral. “AMD’s processor roadmap is fully aligned with Microsoft’s software strategy,” AMD chief technical officer Mark Papermaster said, via a company spokeswoman. AMD’s Bristol Ridge chip, the first to be tied to Windows 10, launched in June as its seventh-generation APU. AMD’s first member of its new Zen microprocessor family, dubbed Summit Ridge, will appear in high-end desktop PCs early next year. Neither will be officially supported by the older operating systems. Here's the obvious question: What would happen if a naïve or not-so-naïve user attempted to run Windows 7 or Windows 8 on a Kaby Lake or Zen system? Without actual chips to test, the answer is unknown at this time. One source privately guessed that the processor would boot, though without driver support and security updates the experience would be “a bit glitchy.” Without specific support for a chip’s features—such as the dedicated video processing logic within Kaby Lake, for example—certain apps, if not the OS itself, might crash, another said. >:( This is PC World saying this folks, not me. Betcha they are spot on with their report on this latest turning of the MS thumb screws. The use of this list implies that your old vintage "pre-now" processor equipped MS OS machine can be turned off by MS at will (permanently) if you violate any of the new MS rules ...... .... or mebbe even if it simply becomes MS's scheduled time for your machine "to go obsolete" ???? .... scary ain't it? Now don't you go be getting behind on your blood bowl payments. Remember to be good little MS loving boys and girls and open your veins monthly to support dear old MS. http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/vampire-power-1.jpg Eddie, go push the button on that guy --- he's looking way too frisky to me ..... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/31/16 at 08:51:59 http://https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Eglinton_Walled_garden_wall.JPG The walls are up, the walls are high, there are no doors --- you must buy your way into the walled garden and you must STAY THERE, inside the walls. Quit whining that you are a prisoner now and that your chains chafe at your ankles and wrists --- you chose to be there of your own free will. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/31/16 at 16:19:28 http://liliputing.com/2016/08/intels-low-power-apollo-lake-chips-detailed.html Intel’s new part number (totally locked down) low-power Apollo Lake chip daughter boards now detailed http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/apollo-lake_01.jpg Also note that the relatively HUGE two layered 55mm x 82mm daughter board contains most of the needed functions to support the actual main chipset. Obviously, calling the entire Intel unit a System On a Chip is a quite LARGE misnomer screw-up as it has dozens of components on the daughterboard set up. But it is the best Intel has done so far ..... There is no news yet on any form of price supports or contra-revenue that would be needed to support this daughter board style implementation in any form of Android or Windows phone or tablet. Here’s a run-down of the new chips: Celeron N3350: 1.1 GHz/2.4 GHz dual-core 6 watt CPU with Intel HD 500 graphics (200MHz/650MHz Celeron N3450: 1.1 GHz/2.2 GHz quad-core 6 watt CPU with Intel HD 500 (200 MHz/700MHz) Pentium N4200: 1.1 GHz/2.5 GHz quad-core 6 watt CPU with Intel HD 505 (200 MHz/750 MHz) Celeron J3355: 2 GHz/2.5 GHz dual-core 10 watt CPU with Intel HD 500 (250 MHz/700MHz) Celeron J3455: 1.5 GHz/2.3 GHz quad-core 10 watt CPU with Intel HD 500 (250 MHz/750 MHz) Pentium J4205: 1.5 GHz/2.6 GHz quad-core 10 watt CPU with Intel HD 505 (250 MHz/800 MHz) All of the new chips are 64-bit processors with support for up to 8GB of RAM and up to 3 displays. All of them have the new MS required lock down functions enabled and they all swing brand new part numbers accordingly. Intel is positioning the 6 watt chips as “mobile” and the 10 watt variants as “desktop” chips with higher base clock speeds. But all of these processors use less energy than the recently launched Kaby Lake-U line of 15 watt laptop processors, so theoretically there’s no reason you couldn’t see a Pentium J4205 in a mobile device… unless Intel (or more pointedly Microsoft) decides it doesn’t want to sell that chip to PC makers that plan to use it in an Android mobile device. It is unknown if these new "OS controlled" chipsets can even be used in an Android device as the new Intel chips REQUIRE items that are only contained in the most modern versions of Win 10 OS. Hey Microsoft, can you say "Actions in restraint of trade" three times fast ??? But there may be a reason not to allow these new Intel chipsets to leave the walled garden -- they might go get all beat up very badly by the mid-pack of the new ARM superchips, much less the horrendous beating they'd get from the brand new 10nm 10 core ARM Media Tek chipsets and the Qualcomm 823. Nor have these new Intel daughter boards been subjected to benchmark testing in any form yet. This generally in the past seemed to indicate moderate to weak performance from the choked down "mobile unit" and perhaps some non-competitive performance from the "PC unit". New Helios 30 and Qualcomm Antutu benchmarks are at 130,000 and 160,000 points now which greatly exceeds any Intel chipset ever Antutu tested (including Intel's Core i-5 and Core i-7). And yes, the PC x386 main chipsets can't show all their power in a mobile type application because of overheating and power constraints. http://www.unbox.ph/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Helio-X30.jpg |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/31/16 at 17:11:11 http://liliputing.com/2016/08/acer-chromebook-r-13-convertible-coming-october-399.html http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/chromebook-r13_04.jpg Acer’s new 13 inch Chromebook marks a couple of firsts. The Acer Chromebook R 13 is the first convertible Chromebook with a 13.3 inch touchscreen display. And it’s the first Chromebook with a MediaTek processor. It’s also a Chromebook that should do a pretty good job of supporting Android apps as well as web apps. The notebook has 4GB of RAM and supports up to 64GB of storage, giving you plenty of space for games and media. This is only a low cost Media Tek quad core A72/A53 chipset, not one of the 10 core mobile powerhouse Media Tek chipsets we have been talking about. Why is this particular machine significant? ACER is an old MS/INTEL loving firm but they are having to jump ship as Intel has nothing for them now ---- as this Chrome based product is OUTSIDE THE WALLED GARDEN and Intel is not allowed by MS to come outside the walled garden to play in these sorts of things any more. You do know what walled gardens change into after a while, don't you? yep, historical monuments ..... full of atrocities, ghosts and moldy dead things http://https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Fortezza_di_Sarzana.jpg Why the walled garden ??? Why now ???? Microsoft is trying to put some hardware accelerator functions that their porky OS needs very badly inside the new Intel chipsets. This is because Intel can't make their 14nm stuff go any faster, so instead Microsoft is putting dedicated hardware acceleration of the various MS OS functions actually down inside Intel's daughter board thingies to get some extra speed and responsiveness. This is also happening with AMD processors, so it is the current fruition of a MS action plan that goes back two years now. So, will Win 10 work as well on older processors? No, it will not. Will other OS products like Linux work well on the current Intel processors? No, not at all, not until FOSS figures out how to beat the hardware lock downs and figures out what the future MS Win 10 versions supply to the Intel processor daughter boards to get all the built in accelerator features to work correctly. Until then, it is functionally a walled garden, built by MS using "actions in restraint of trade". smells sorta Apple like, don't cha know |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/03/16 at 04:11:45 Linux Distros have decided to pay the UEFI fee to become bootable on most older equipment that is currently having its UEFI functionally turned on by MS's endless nightly updates. Quote is from a discussion on Slash Dot, a FOSS discussion board. I expect MS's UEFI lock down will soon prevent Linux from being installed. Linux is now supported by UEFI. The major Linux distros have all paid the one-time US$99 fee to be able to get their code on the UEFI supported list for all old equipment. There is a complaint about this before the EU's Free Trade Commission -- but this is a very mild extortion compared to everything else MS is doing lately, so it will likely be glommed in with all the rest of the BS that the EU says needs fixing whenever they get around to adressing it. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/03/16 at 04:31:11 Microsoft (Wintel) has attempted similar things in the historical past, but the old walls had doors in them and actually were not so intentionally exclusive and restrictive. Nowadays, MS is leading the group now, retreating and retrenching itself inside ever steeper, taller and more absolute walls -- this time literally picking up Intel and AMD and taking them along for the ride with promises of "market share protection" against all the ARM based Genghis Khan infidels out there .... This illustration shows what this logic results in -- abandoned market share turf which is then immediately taken over by the infidels who take up residence and actually camp inside your old walls. http://https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xVIugQhtqwc/maxresdefault.jpg Intel and AMD cannot survive just off of what a shrinking MS can sell -- they will have to jump ship before long. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/03/16 at 06:32:18 http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/25/11772222/foxconn-automation-robots-apple-samsung-smartphones Foxconn cuts 60,000 factory jobs and replaces them with robots Automation is fast becoming a reality for workers of many of the world's biggest corporations, which are finding the falling costs of purchasing robots and programming those robots to be more attractive than retaining human labor. In the US, the debate is playing out in the form of a $15 an hour minimum wage, with former McDonald's USA CEO Ed Rensi saying, "It’s cheaper to buy a $35,000 robotic arm than it is to hire an employee who’s inefficient making $15 an hour bagging french fries." Overseas, in factories owned by Taiwan-based corporations like Foxconn, the process is accelerating even faster. Proponents of automation say the jobs that will be eliminated first are those that make human workers miserable and that, in the longterm, more valuable positions will open up as more machines replace humans. Notably for Foxconn, which has been mired in controversy for its factory conditions and high rate of worker suicides, robots also present a way to remedy poor public perception without necessarily improving the quality of life of its employees. However, economists fear the short-term fallout from automation may be a devastating loss of jobs and economic instability. A report, conducted by Deloitte and Oxford University, predict as many as 35 percent of jobs will be automated over the next two decades. An even more telling forecast was made by researchers Carl Benedikt Frey and Michael Osborne in their 2013 paper "The Future of Employment," in which they predicted about 50 percent of jobs will disappear over the next four to five decades. We will live to see this elimination of most of what we used to call "jobs". They just won't be there any more. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/03/16 at 06:39:29 Well, shucky darns and Gooollee gee willakerz, nobody saw That coming.. And the geniuses who DIDN'T see that also laughed at the idea that the cost of labor won't close small businesses and keep others from opening. It's hilarious watching the same people be wrong,time after time, and steadfastly argue that they are Right about everything they have yet to be Proven wrong about. It's as if nothing happened. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/03/16 at 06:42:54 http://www.benzinga.com/analyst-ratings/analyst-color/16/04/7885499/why-apple-could-layoff-between-25-000-and-30-000-of-115- http://cdn4.benzinga.com/files/imagecache/story_image_685x375C/images/story/2012/hand-408152_1920.jpg Why Apple Could Layoff Between 25,000 And 30,000 Of 115,000 Employees By End Of Year Apple, coming off of a very good year is laying off people right and left -- Apple sees a very poor year coming with multiple countries have economic woes which will affect Apple very strongly. Apple Inc. AAPL 0.94% has recently been laying off around 100 contract and full-time recruiters, but Global Equities Research analyst Trip Chowdhry believes this is just the tip of the iceberg for Apple layoffs. Chowdhry estimates that Apple will cut between 25,000 and 30,000 of its 115,000 employees by the end of 2016. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/03/16 at 06:52:09 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-19/intel-cuts-12-000-jobs-forecast-misses-as-pc-blight-takes-toll Intel Corp. will eliminate 12,000 jobs, or 11 percent of its workforce, embarking on the deepest cutbacks in a decade to gird for a fifth year of declines in the personal-computer market. Krzanich to increase focus on data center, Internet of things Chipmaker paring 11% of workforce; shares fall in late trading The world’s biggest maker of semiconductors said it’s shifting focus to higher-growth areas, such as chips for data center machines and Internet-connected devices. Intel also posted disappointing first-quarter revenue and gave a second-quarter sales forecast that fell short of analysts’ estimates. Shipments of PCs, a market that provides Intel with more than half of its sales, fell to their lowest level in a decade in the first three months of 2016. The depth and duration of the slump mean Intel can no longer fall back on booming demand for server chips or market-share gains against weaker rival Advanced Micro Devices Inc. The job cuts mark the most radical action yet by Chief Executive Officer Brian Krzanich, who has brought in new executives and shaken up his team as he works to reduce Intel’s dependence on PCs and rekindle growth by pushing into newer businesses. “It’s acknowledging the reality that it’s a single-digit growth world,” said Michael Shinnick, a fund manager at Wasatch Advisors Inc., which owns Intel shares. “The end markets aren’t growing to the extent that they were.” ========================================================= http://www.recode.net/2016/7/28/12319010/microsoft-cutting-more-phone-jobs Surprise! Microsoft found 2,850 more jobs to cut as it continues its retreat from the phone business. http://https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dheLCSg9Ft3Uv0Mu0cUtOPDA3nyYt9gK6BxyU_SCM-DeBBNvhWaE9TDsvqNLQebVbLQGVg=s128 Microsoft is cutting an additional 2,850 jobs as it further curtails its smartphone efforts, removes support for old OS versions and restructures its sales force. About 900 of those workers have already been notified, Microsoft said. The new cuts, which were disclosed in the company’s annual report on Thursday, come on top of the 1,850 layoffs announced in May as the company retreated even further from the phone business. At this point, Microsoft has essentially shed nearly all of the Nokia mobile phone business that it acquired back in April 2014 for $7.2 billion. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/03/16 at 07:10:44 The sophistication required to NOT walk face first into a bear trap is not something everyone has. Think of the millions of dollars a big company could lose if they couldn't see far enough down the road to be able to project falling sales and adjust their production before sales even fall. The guy selling lawnmowers down the road needs to see what the local economy is doing, but the international scene might not be something that he needs to understand to avoid losses. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 09/03/16 at 15:10:01 It's going to be interesting to see how this evolves. It's fine to get rid of low skill low paid jobs, but the people doing those jobs do spend and if they don't spend the thing goes slightly up the chain, as there will be less demand for more skilled workers. Therefore more government support needed to keep the unemployed fed and housed. Businesses both large and small become affected, less dividends to stockholders, ie pension funds and the like. Less contributions to pension funds equals less need for highly paid stock analysts and the like. Less money all round to buy homes. Robotic surgery expands and less need for highly paid surgeons, for those that can afford surgery and whoopee, less need for "medical cockup/misadventure" lawyers. Driverless vehicles, means less need for ego inflated police bullies hassling motorcyclists and truckers. Robotised fighter planes, less need for expensive pilots. Less money to trickle down to the peasants on the bottom and to pay the retired their pensions. We may get twenty years of comparative peace if we are lucky, after that who knows. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/04/16 at 05:31:12 These are big businesses with good "prior knowledge" and they are all girding for a worldwide recession. Recessions suck, so I am simply glad that my favorite sorts of motorcycle trip costs relatively little money. Maybe we plan a Recession Special trip and cook over a campfire somewhere nice. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/16 at 06:01:06 Well, in the JoG's scoreboard division, here is one more. I said in 08 that This economic downturn would be different, in that it won't be followed by a Real recovery. So far, I'm right. To see major corporations taking steps to prepare for the results of the actions of the central banks and their Keynesian economics style actions is just more evidence that I am right. The order out of chaos crowd must be pretty edgy right now. It's make it or break it time for them. Just one more reason why the Status Quo criminals Can't have Trump. And it's a Big Reason. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/04/16 at 06:23:09 http://liliputing.com/2016/09/android-x86-releases-early-build-nougat-desktop-pcs.html http://www1-lw.xda-cdn.com/files/2016/07/Press-Image-1920x1080-3.-Access-All-Files-and-Apps-On-Your-Smartphone-1024x576.png Google and Intel may not be doing much work to make sure that Android can run on devices with Intel processors anymore… but the Android-x86 project continues to release new builds of Android for computers with Intel and AMD chips. The software is based on Google’s Android Open Source Project (AOSP) code, and it’s still a work in progress. But some of Nougat’s key features, such as split-screen, multi-window mode works, allowing you to interact with two apps on the screen at once. Both Intel and Google have dropped all efforts to run Android on those funky Microsoft'd current generation Intel chipsets. Instead, relatively new, powerful Media Tek processors and Qualcomm processors are filling these niches instead. The Open Source x86 Project and several of the Android as a laptop groups have stepped forward to fill the "low end laptop" gap using repurposed older Intel processors. "Phone on a PC" hits the back burner at Google, especially seeing that Continuum was a really big flop at Wintel with NOBODY buying their whuppie super duper Win 10 PC phones -- at all. Nobody wanted them. The Andromium Superbook Project (Android phones driving a laptop dock) sold out 3x over however, and is in actual real public "sell it as a product" mode in Asia as we speak. http://www.xda-developers.com/andromiums-99-superbook-converts-your-android-smartphone-into-a-laptop/ Jide as Android Laptops are doing well also. Asia likes the idea of "Phone as a PC" and the idea of "Android Laptops". So, these may be viable Asian niche products that will be filled by a few small Asian companies, until it takes off on its own in some major fashion with one of the major Asian phone suppliers as a "standard feature" backed up with a stock docking station. Then it might have some impact in America. Google will continue to build the abilities into the Nougat and into later OS's so anyone can do it, so perhaps indeed someone in Asia will continue to do it with Android. That is the Google Alphabet way now, support a good disruptive idea for a bit then let it float or sink on its own merit. As a "recession product" it makes sense though, so I kinda doubt it will die out on us ..... |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/16 at 08:09:01 That is the Google Alphabet way now, support it for a bit then let it float or sink on its own merit. An approach that would be good used for lots of Grandiose Ideas. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/05/16 at 03:19:17 http://www.pcworld.com/article/3093972/android/pokemon-go-no-go-the-latest-chapter-in-intels-android-drama.html Pokemon Go no-go: hot new game won't work on Intel Atom-powered phones or Windows phones http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2016/07/intel-android-caro-1024x559-100670069-large.jpg Hey, would Wintel lie to you for much ??? Wintel has stopped all efforts to get Android to run on their devices, which means phones from early last year suddenly can't run popular apps like Pokemon Go. This will curtail future sales of Intel processors in any of the very few mobile uses where they still exist. If an app you want is outside the walled garden, fuggetaboutit. Pokemon Go also won't run on Windows phones, though that's due to Niantic's decision not to support that particular OS at the moment. The issue arises as Intel pulls back from the smartphone chip market, after failing to catch up with ARM, whose processor designs are in most handsets. Atom chips for mobile devices are already being phased out. Meanwhile, Dell has stopped selling its Android-based Venue devices that ran on Intel chips. It also won't deliver Android OS upgrades to its existing Venue tablet users. If you have an Android tablet or smartphone with an Intel Atom chip, things may not get better. Other issues will likely arise with as the number of apps and OS upgrades for Android on Intel Atom decline. Device makers usually work on Android upgrades with Intel, which is scaling back Android development. There may be exceptions. While Dell has suspended OS updates, Asus has said it will deliver upgrades to Android 6.0 for its Zenfone 2 handsets. But it's not known whether devices will get upgrades to Android 7.0, code-named Nougat. As it exits the mobile phone market, Intel is also moving away from slate-style tablets, which are experiencing a decline in shipments. Intel will focus on 2-in-1 devices, which can be used as either laptops or tablets. Intel is still offering a tablet chip code-named Cherry Trail, but the successor to that chip will be Pentium and Celeron chips code-named Apollo Lake, which will be aimed more at PCs and 2-in-1s. The wholesale changes in Intel's mobile strategy came after the chip maker in April said it would lay off 12,000 people. It is now focusing on areas like connectivity, IoT and data center technologies. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/05/16 at 03:47:52 Got some rumors percolating that Google is gonna push the Pixel brand name harder in the future, using Pixel branded devices to showcase the new Android capable Chrome OS on phones and tablets as well as laptops and PCs. This is not real yet, nor has it been verified -- just a rumor at this point in time. Chrome OS may be the near future "unifying growth medium" for Google OS products and services, with Fuchsia OS being way on out there in the future as a way to more completely extend this effort to the world of IoT, phone, laptop, PC etc when that time actually gets here. Fuchsia would be a BRAND NEW code base complete rewrite of the mobile OS systems, using brand new programming language tools that "scale up" much better than the old tools used to build Android. Chrome OS and Fuchsia have other advantages as Microsoft keeps on funding third party legal attacks on Android (EU regulatory attacks, suits for use of Java, etc). Microsoft also keeps on extorting money from Android handset builders with threatened lawsuits for various (undefined) patent offenses. Google may be acting now to prevent both items from happening out in the future. A complete rewrite of the mobile OS using Google's own tools (if done in a GNU FOSS environment) would do the trick to stop MS from extorting dollars from handset vendors, siccing the EU on people and potentially outright poaching the new stuff. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/16 at 05:03:02 Fuchsia would be a BRAND NEW code base complete rewrite of the mobile OS systems, using brand new programming language tools that "scale up" much better than the old tools used to build Android. Does that mean the kindle will be replaced? |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/05/16 at 16:30:36 Justin, A Kindle is an Amazon product. Amazon copied open source Android and modified it to "name brand" it somewhat. Amazon will do likely do likewise to the next generation of Google OS products as Google keeps them open source and releases the base OS for modification by folks like Amazon. Your old device will continue working ongoing, however it may stop getting software and security updates. As to why you need a security update on a Kindle, I dunno, it is just a e-book reader. The Chrome / Android / Fuchsia fusion products will gradually take over the market with features that folks want, so you will likely WANT to get another one in the next 5-10 years or so when your battery finally gets weak. |
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Title: Re: Android vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/05/16 at 17:08:10 Microsoft just ran back the date when think they will finally hit their billion mark -- past 2018 is what they are saying now. It was all BS anyway. We do NOT know how many Win 10 conversions there really were, but what we do know is that you can start the real Win 10 count clock to running when the Enterprise level conversion is completed next year. Then you can see MS shrink very cleanly after they have ALL their surviving eggs stacked neatly in one easy to count basket. By then Win 10 will likely just be Windows and part and parcel of Windows 365 and will only provided on a scheduled monthly / quarterly fee arrangement which pays for keeping the entire Walled Garden updated which will be the only way MS will sell their software any more. MS is betting their whole company that their walled garden in total is 1) competitive and 2) desirable. I think they are actually being seen right now as Buggy as Shite and Somewhat Obnoxious, but my take really doesn't count as I am not in the Garden at all (except for a very few Steam games). Business is now buying more Chromebooks for data entry drone workers, as they can utilize them on a Company Wifi Intra-net under the strict control of their IT department, issuing them to employees who are provided a Company login that they must then use to get the machines to lite up. If the Company Chromebook leaves the company's Wifi zone (company premises), it becomes a locked down brick that constantly pings back its current location as if stolen. This is actually improved security over MS products, and the IT Department has to work a lot less to maintain these Chromebooks vs the more expensive Wintel equipment. I am looking forward to the third quarter sales reports coming out soon, as the post freebie Win 10 results should start to ring through some by then and we will see what good 'ol pay-me Win 10 is really doing ..... MS marketing lies and exaggerations will continue I am sure (or more dead silence if the news is bad like it has been) but now the MS info will be countered by the Stat Counter type folks who have access to purer, less biased sources of world wide data. Google is busy talking to and listening to Big Business while MS is busy jerking them around and overcharging them for everything. Go MS, go ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/06/16 at 23:52:55 http://itvision.altervista.org/files/windows-10-fixed.jpg There is a contest to name all the things wrong with the official Microsoft Win 10 airliner (at this point in time, anyway) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 09/07/16 at 02:10:57 Where are the propellers? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/07/16 at 03:46:52 Microsoft says the old style driver for the propellers is no longer supported ..... you can try to install your old propellers, but they will not turn. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/07/16 at 03:48:37 I HEARD Hillary got a new jet. Looks exactly like everything she leans on stuff, err, stands, for. That's a VERY clever way to say that.. what a genius, whoever did that drawing. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/07/16 at 05:04:06 5271797B787171786F1D0 wrote:
Perfect reply, that's just funny.. So, stumbled upon this, looking for the airplane. http://itvision.altervista.org/why-windows-10-sucks.html#Windows10 Being NOT a techie I'm not qualified to say This is Good, But I Think it's good. It's loaded with links. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/07/16 at 12:34:37 http://itvision.altervista.org/files/windows_devolution.jpg What Justin said, follow his link. http://itvision.altervista.org/why-windows-10-sucks.html#Windows10 Here is another thought for you -- so many old Win 7 Win 8.1 generation machines were destroyed by the various Win 10 installation and update disasters that people were forced to pick up using the old machine they had back in the closet -- and they are sticking with it until it croaks because THEY DO NOT LIKE WIN 10 and they have a very bitter leftover taste in their mouths right now over MS in general. I think the number of reluctant Windows 10 users is very high right now. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/09/16 at 22:20:25 http://liliputing.com/2016/05/arm-unveils-cortex-73-mali-g71-graphics-vr-augmented-reality.html The new Japanese Softbank owned ARM HOLDINGS has just finally announced production on a new class of main ARM Cortex class cores called the A73, once again announced "just in time" mainly because a licensee (Qualcomm) was shipping the new SOC core design to customers and they are announcing new phones being built around it. http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/cortex-a73.jpg So, we are getting a new A73 core, matched up with the old A53/57 smaller cores for Big little, with a whole new generation of improved Mali G71 3D Graphics which are aimed directly at 3D phones/googles. We will see if the Japanese can improve on some of ARM's current really closed mouth PR habits..... but it is refreshing to see something REAL being announced only when it becomes real, followed in the weeks immediately following by independent benchmark testing of the real thing. What does ARM claim for the new chipset? That it doesn't slow down when it gets up to temperature. This really means only the hot, clock downed state is being advertised and serious efforts have been to maximize performance at this state AND that the heated up, clocked down performance is now appreciably faster than the old cold chip performance used to be. This is actually a significant forward progress for the ARM world. 25-30% throughput improvement is being touted, which is in line with the old hot state speed drops from years past. As the chips get down to smaller lithography, they tend to get MORE SENSITIVE to heat. So, what ARM is saying is that they have some new tech antidote for overheating built into this product itself. Samsung has been building heat pipes into their own design's SOC cores (and into the ones they build for Qualcomm too) so this heat pipe tech may have moved over to the mainstream midrange phone SOCs from ARM now. Mebbe, possibly. ;) Actually, when you plan to plunk a phone into a desk dock and use the thing as a PC, having it run reliably at full speed once it gets warm is a good thing, don't you think? And robust, fast 3-D graphics are a must in that use also. http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/mali-g71.jpg Now, here is the interesting kicker -- all these numbers DO assume a speed bump due to 10nm lithography, as we see there IS going to be a lithography shift very soon across the entire phone industry -- down to 10nm. Every Lithography Shift of late (last 3 lithography shifts anyway) has had the very first SOCs out of the gate to foul themselves up with thermal issues fairly badly. And that makes this newest one an "against the recent reality trend" sorta thing when ARM claims the A-73 cores will not slow down below their rating numbers when they get hot. We shall see, we shall see ........ soon enough anyway. Change, she comes ...... (except to Intel and Microsoft, that is) ...... ;) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/12/16 at 07:03:22 http://www.phonearena.com/news/14-of-active-Windows-Phones-are-running-Windows-10-Mobile_id84492 14%-of-active-Windows-Phones-are-running-Windows-10-Mobile wow, great news, let's go dance in the street for joy http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/252978-gallery/Windows-10-Mobile-is-running-14-of-active-Windows-Phones.jpg This piece is called "Lying with numbers" and it is about how MS is hiding just how badly they are really doing by selectively reporting numbers and WITHHOLDING all data other than what their marketing department puts out as "beneficial numbers". Windows 10 Mobile powers 14% of active Windows Phone handsets. Last month that share was 11.9%. Well, this is true I guess, compared only to active Windows phones, but then you have to know independently that Windows Phones in total only represent 0.4 % of the active phones on the planet right now, and that the market share of Windows 10 phones is about 0.05% (a little more than 1/10th of what is out there Microsoftish). Microsoft has stopped supporting anything but Windows 10 Mobile at this point so the vast mass of old phones are coasting down to death at this time, and all the app writers have stopped getting paid by MS and they quit, totally, in mass -- so the very few apps you can get hold of won't work right for very long as MS keeps fiddling with the base Win 10 OS. How bad is it really? People are ditching their old Windows phones right and left and as that population shrinks then the percentage of Win 10 Mobile devices then does go up as a natural progression of numbers. This does not mean new phones are rolling out at any increased rate, indeed, Microsoft has taken down the phone displays in most of their remaining brick and mortar Microsoft Stores. After all, what idiot would buy a phone with no apps behind it? https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-appears-removing-windows-phones-us-microsoft-stores/ http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-Windows-Phone-dead-Microsoft-Stores-in-the-US-think-so_id85288 http://cdn.mspoweruser.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Microsoft-Store-Windows-Phone-Display.jpg =========================================== Next example: We were constantly inundated by wonderful news about a billion planned instances of free Win 10 in year one and we had a count up clock constantly ticking up on the MS website, until it froze at 300,000 - 400,000 and MS took it down when the numbers began going backwards temporarily with people reverting in mass due to various update issues killing their machines. How many free Win 10 instances were there anyway? Who knows, MS ain't saying any more. There are 1.5 billion PCs and Laptops on the planet and MS has currently supposedly reached less than a third of them with their claimed 1 billion machines "now to take place in 2018 sometimes". How can MS possibly know this? -- that is when they will push the button on your old hardware, silly. By agreement, all Intel and AMD processors now REQUIRE Win 10 to operate. And you can't put future Win 10 softwares on old pre-now equipment, so you HAVE to buy a new machine when your old stuff quits working. And, like Apple and Google, MS does not guarantee a service life beyond 5 years. SO, WHAT IS REALITY RIGHT NOW, TODAY, AUGUST 2016 ???? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/12/16 at 09:09:46 then you have to know independently that Windows Phones in total only represent 0.4 % of the active phones on the planet right now, and that the market share of Windows 10 phones is about 0.05% (a little more than 1/10th of what is out there Microsoftish). I've listened to some good comedians who didn't tickle me as much. So, MS " UpGrades " my computer to Win 10, for Free. And now it's a POS, polluted with an OS I DIDN'T BUY,and didn't WANT, and there is effectively nothing I can do, unless I can wipe the drive and load an OS because I just happen to Have a cd? So, if I stop by and dump a coke in your keyboard, as long as I don't try to bill you,I don't get in trouble for vandalism? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 09/12/16 at 09:52:32 0A151314090E3F0F3F07151952600 wrote:
Nope, once 10 is in there, extract the hard drive and pommel it with a sledge hammer. OF has told us that MegaSh!t installs exclusive rights to that hard drive. So remove it, pommel it, and mail it to the owner. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/12/16 at 11:12:19 So, I can slip a note under the wiper of that Jaguar down the street and lay claim to it? I don't know if it's paid off,, but I can find out. Dear Mr. Gates Here is Your hard drive. If you would please drop your pants and bend over, I'll drive it in, hard. Get it? Drive hard, hard drive? See what I did there? In a minute, you'll fully understand. Thanks EVER so much! Justin angry ol guy. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/12/16 at 16:28:27 If you happen to have a Linux distribution disk you can always stick that disc in your DVD reader and then let that disc install itself on the old Hardware that Microsoft won't let you access to anymore. Especially Hardware that Windows says is broken and unrecoverable due to driver issues that Microsoft may have created. There is something very Poetic Justice about kicking Microsoft off of a hard drive that they have attempted to lay total claim to. I also enjoy putting Microsoft in the #2 position on same hard drive using the secondary position in the secondary partition. A very small MS partition, too. So small MS cannot download massive amounts of crap into it at night ...... In essence I have turned the massive totally closed Microsoft Garden into a tiny ornamental desktop bonsai garden. ::) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 09/12/16 at 21:23:34 How would you get this Linux disc? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/13/16 at 01:17:53 I think everybody should keep a Linux distro installation disc around just in case Microsoft fouls you up. You get these from OSdisks.com if you lack the computer skills to download them and burn them yourself. Since Microsoft now wants to lock your partition table and not allow you to change your computer at fundamental levels you also need to have a bootable partition edit/recovery tool CD disc sitting in your CD case. A GPARTED disc is a good one to keep around. Microsoft claims to have the ability to recover your machine in the case of a foul-up using their image of your machine that they keep on file. Your mileage may vary. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 09/13/16 at 02:01:40 Thanks OF, I'll definitely keep this post in mind. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 09/13/16 at 02:02:04 Thanks OF, I'll definitely keep this post in mind. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/13/16 at 17:14:39 http://liliputing.com/2016/09/breaking-band-microsofts-fitness-tracker-may-done.html http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ms-band-2.jpg ZDNet’s Mary Jo Foley reports her sources say there won’t be a new Microsoft Band this year, and she’s “heard that Microsoft disbanded the group of individuals who were trying to get the Band to run Windows 10.” So it’s possible that we won’t see a major software update for current-gen hardware either. The Band 2 has a list price of $250, but it’s currently on sale for $75 off. It features a curved AMOLED display, an optical heart rate sensor, motion sensors, ambient light, UV, galvanic skin response, and skin temperature sensors as well as a barometer and microphone. When it went on sale at 3x the price with only half the features of existing ARM units, we predicted an early demise for this product. Not early though, two years of being out of date and out of step later ...... :-/ Now we are waiting for this abortion to die "early" as well ..... http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/vr-one_02.jpg |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/13/16 at 17:38:08 Speaking of abortions, the Samsung Note 7 "exploding in a small ball of fire" while in your hand thing has reached epic recall proportions. Samsung stock prices dropped 10-15% overnight as this thing broke, and now it must be considered as "properly confirmed" now. The issue at root is a vendor based lot of defective batteries, and the recall/replacement costs will put that vendor out of business very shortly, we are fairly sure. http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/note-7_001.jpg Samsung to limit risk of exploding Note 7 batteries through software update 09/13/2016 at 11:14 AM by Brad Linder 4 Comments After numerous instances of Samsung Galaxy Note 7 smartphones catching fire, Samsung is in the process of running one of the largest consumer electronics recall programs in recent memory. Want to make sure your phone doesn’t spontaneously burst in to flames? You should probably stop using it right away and follow instructions from Samsung and/or the place you bought your phone to trade it in for a working model (or a different phone). But if you haven’t taken advantage of the voluntary recall and replacement program, Samsung may be rolling out a software update soon that could reduce the risk that your phone will explode… but which will also reduce its battery life. Samsung took out an ad on the front page of South Korean newspaper Seoul Shinmun to let customers know a software update is coming on September 20th. Once installed, the software will stop Galaxy Note 7 batteries from charging once they hit 60 percent capacity. As the Associated Press notes, it’s not clear if this software update will roll out globally or if it’s only for Galaxy Note 7 users in South Korea. So, to recap: if you bought Samsung’s latest premium flagship smartphone, there’s a chance that it could catch fire. The FAA advises you not to use it on airplanes. Some airlines are forbidding people from using the phones while in the air, or from checking them in baggage. And Samsung is volunteering to replace all 2.5 million sold to date with non-exploding versions. If you don’t take advantage of that recall, your shiny new $800+ smartphone might get a 40 percent reduction in battery life. In other words: there’s really no good reason you shouldn’t take advantage of the recall, and plenty of reasons you should. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/13/16 at 19:03:36 https://www.engadget.com/2016/05/19/chromebooks-beat-mac-sales-in-early-2016/ http://https://s.aolcdn.com/dims5/amp:07d05b57caa92607238a9b640d0194b442b26e31/q:100/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fo.aolcdn.com%2Fhss%2Fstorage%2Fmidas%2F340bbce5c31d7ab8f291f31eb1a527d9%2F203846979%2F2016P1010005-edJT.jpg According to research firm IDC, more Google Chromebooks were sold in the first quarter of 2016 than all of Apple's Mac line. The milestone marked the first time Google's Chrome OS moved more units than OS X in the United States. Although IDC doesn't usually separate Chrome OS or Chromebooks from the PC category, the group did confirm the numbers to The Verge, saying "Chrome OS overtook Mac OS in the US in terms of shipments for the first time in 1Q16." The firm noted that Macs sold about 1.76 million units in the first quarter of 2016, meaning Chromebooks sold somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 million units or more. Overall, however, PC shipments are on the decline. So, Chromebook sales just lapped Apple's entire Macbook line (all of it, counted together). Next stop, Windows PC space. Going forward the Chromebook space will include the new Chrome Pixel phones, so Google will be swinging both mobile and laptop volumes together as they go after MS, which is "supposedly" swinging all their laptop, PC and Win 10 phone volumes together, along with whatever old stuff they can load Win 10 on to that will accept it. It will be a giant game of liar's poker, since MS likes them funny numbers so well ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/14/16 at 13:10:23 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/04/microsoft-monopolise-pc-games-development-epic-games-gears-of-war Microsoft wants to monopolize games development on PC. We must fight this move. http://https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/405142e1d5ec4a52d1e04a3afc19f986de2ade2c/179_0_3600_2160/master/3600.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=d2fb1ab390c904b37ff666642a142d78 With its new Universal Windows Platform (UWP) initiative, Microsoft has built a closed platform-within-a-platform into Windows 10, as the first apparent step towards locking down the consumer PC ecosystem and monopolising app distribution and commerce. In my view, this is the most aggressive move Microsoft has ever made. While the company has been convicted of violating antitrust law in the past, its wrongful actions were limited to fights with specific competitors and contracts with certain PC manufacturers. This isn’t like that. Here, Microsoft is moving against the entire PC industry – including consumers (and gamers in particular), software developers such as Epic Games, publishers like EA and Activision, and distributors like Valve and Good Old Games. Microsoft has launched new PC Windows features exclusively in UWP, and is effectively telling developers you can use these Windows features only if you submit to the control of our locked-down UWP ecosystem. They’re curtailing users’ freedom to install full-featured PC software, and subverting the rights of developers and publishers to maintain a direct relationship with their customers. The specific problem here is that Microsoft’s shiny new “Universal Windows Platform” is locked down, and by default it’s impossible to download UWP apps from the websites of publishers and developers, to install them, update them, and conduct commerce in them outside of the Windows Store. There is a combo of lockdowns being talked about here, locked down proprietary processor daughterboard accelerators, Win 10 software calls at the daughterboard level, Win 10 calls at the BIOS level, Win 10 calls at the driver level and above. MS is locking down the new PC equipment, all partitions and excluding all other normal gaming players, including STEAM. If this continues, you will not be able to run "approved games" on anything other than a brand new MS Win 10 machine. Microsoft’s intentions must be judged by Microsoft’s actions, not Microsoft’s words. Their actions speak plainly enough: they are working to turn today’s open PC ecosystem into a closed, Microsoft-controlled distribution and commerce monopoly, over time, in a series of steps of which we’re seeing the very first. Unless Microsoft changes course, all of the independent companies comprising the PC ecosystem have a decision to make: to oppose this, or cede control of their existing customer relationships and commerce to Microsoft’s exclusive control. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/14/16 at 14:33:59 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/19/microsofts_walled_garden_is_no_pleasure_park_for_consumers_says_pirate_party_mep/ Pirate MEP: Microsoft's walled garden is no consumer pleasure park Redmond hijacks control over what users can and can't do with their own PCs http://https://regmedia.co.uk/2014/03/27/gnome.jpg?x=648&y=348&crop=1 Microsoft is trying to create its own “walled garden”, much to the detriment of consumers, Pirate Party MEP Julia Reda has told El Reg. Reda was referring to the new unified Microsoft services policy, which came into force at the beginning of this month and covers almost all of the tech goliath’s consumer services. In it, Microsoft says: “We may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the services or using unauthorised hardware peripheral devices.” In other words, we’ll block any unapproved hardware or software as and when we feel like it. “Users are now getting accustomed to an idea that – as in other consumer electronics like gaming consoles or smartphones – they do not have full control over what their computers can and cannot do. The great thing about general-purpose computers is that they can be programmed to perform any task we want them to. This feature is what makes computers a tool for empowerment,” she said. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/14/16 at 18:59:54 https://games.slashdot.org/story/16/07/26/1417259/steam-on-windows-10-will-get-progressively-worse-gears-of-war-developer The source for this opinion is Slashdot, THE Linux resource net forums. "Microsoft's Universal Windows Platform, or UWP, approach isn't sitting well with many game developers. Four months after criticising UWP ecosystem for being a walled-garden, curtailing "users' freedom to install full-featured PC software, and subverting the rights of developers and publishers to maintain a direct relationship with their customers," Tim Sweeney, co-founder of Epic Games, the studio behind the Gears of War and Unreal franchises has once again lashed out at the Redmond-based company. He alleges that Microsoft plans to make Steam -- the world's largest PC gaming platform, "progressively worse and more broken." in a move to bolster people's reliance on the Windows Store. From a Gadgets 360 report: "Slowly, over the next five years, they will force-patch Windows 10 to make Steam progressively worse and more broken. They'll never completely break it, but will continue to break it until, in five years, people are so fed up that Steam is buggy that the Windows Store seem like an ideal alternative. That's exactly what they did to their previous competitors in other areas. Now they're doing it to Steam. It's only just starting to become visible. Microsoft might not be competent enough to succeed with their plan but they are certainly trying," Sweeney said. He adds the outcome of this would be forcing every app and game to be sold through the Windows Store alone. "If they can succeed in doing that then it's a small leap to forcing all apps and games to be distributed through the Windows store. Once we reach that point, the PC has become a closed platform. It won't be that one day they flip a switch that will break your Steam library -- what they're trying to do is a series of sneaky manoeuvres. They make it more and more inconvenient to use the old apps, and, simultaneously, they try to become the only source for the new ones," he claims." |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/15/16 at 13:16:14 http://liliputing.com/2016/09/leaked-intel-roadmap-shows-chips-2017-2018-coffee-lake-gemini-lake.html A new Liar's Poker hand, this time from Intel What is amazing about this thing is that just earlier this week Intel leaked a theory that they were going to 10nm and then to 7nm just like the phone boys were actually about doing right now, but taking several extra years too long to do so compared to the phone boys, yes, but going there all the same. (despite the fact that 14nm showed Intel a decreasing effectivity wall in the sky that actualy made Intel's 14nm no faster than the old 22nm) http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/intel-road-680x384.jpg So, what this chart puppy actually shows is 14nm sticking around through 2018/2020. This actually makes some practical sense as Intel has already converted all their 22nm production lines to 14nm lines and the chipsets produced these lines produce simply cannot process data any faster than the problematical 14nm stuff they are selling right now. So, any practical speed ups shown in 2018 will ONLY APPLY to Microsoft Win 10 making hardware calls to the hardware accelerator functions that Intel and AMD are quietly building into their daughterboard assemblies. Since this is all a big game of Liar's Poker from Intel's side of things, I would say this is the likely the real, true card and the earlier card thrown was smoky brown "unbridled optimism". ;) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/15/16 at 13:54:37 http://liliputing.com/2016/09/run-android-apps-windows-jides-remix-os-player.html THIS IS GOOD, so slow down and pay attention. Do you have curiosity as to how Remix OS actually looks and feels and works? Are you curious about the rapid growth of the new Chromebooks (with Android in them, natural). Do you have any future itch to possibly be seeking a "next OS" as you have a growing dislike for Microsoft's arm twisting and grabbyness? Or is there something out there in Android Land that you wish you had available on your big PC screen just so you could use it apart from the tiny screen in your pocket? Or, do you have a closet PC or laptop that you would like to use if you had some useful software that would actually fit into the old, low requirements XP generation machine? http://www.jide.com/remixos-for-pc All of your "right now, totally REAL and completely FREE" answers are right here at Jide that you can go get like any other .exe application. Simple to install, easy to trash when your curiosity is satisfied (or for MickySoft to go trash later on this evening as they will deem it UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE when they go check your machine out like they do EVERY NIGHT now-a-days). http://www.jide.com/remixos-player http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/remix-os-player_02.jpg Remix OS Player is free an Android emulator that lets you run an Android environment inside of your current operating system. Just download and run an .exe file to get started. The Remix OS Player has all the same features you get with Remix OS: it’s a fully functional, customized version of Google Android. The only difference is that it runs as a desktop app, which means you can interact with the Android environment without rebooting your computer. Any Android apps that work with Remix OS for PC should also work in the Remix OS Player. That means you can play games, use mobile chat apps, or even web browsers, office software, or other apps… although I’m not sure if there’s any real advantage to running the mobile versions of those apps when you can also just fire up their desktop equivalents. I suspect the primary appeal of Remix OS Player will be the ability to download and play Android games from the Play Store. The Remix OS Player is SLOW on an old machine, it has to carry the full overhead of MS Windows and Android, so please don't expect it to be Speedy Gonzalez -- just judge what it can do and if you like it any at all. I found it to be a bit faster than XP on the same XP class machine, but actually quite similar in response speed since it has to go through the same old processor and graphics chip to get to the same old slow display screen. If you like it and want it to go at full speed, then re-partion your HD on your modern real machine, make a small new partition and install http://www.jide.com/remixos-for-pc. THIS FULLY INSTALLED "Jide RemixOS for PC" VARIANT IS SIMILAR PERFORMANCE-WISE TO WHAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DO "SOON" INSIDE A DOCKED, STOCK GOOGLE ANDROID CELL PHONE FLAVOR, using your cell phone as a PC, so you will actually be getting a preliminary look at what is driving MS to so desperately try to TOTALLY lock down your existing PC behind their doorless windowless walled garden walls, so completely and totally MS wishes, so very very badly MS wishes. :P ..... walled garden ???? Feels more like a dungeon once you are chained down inside it ..... MS does not want you to look at it, much less install any sort of stuff like this as it totally ends the need for the MS walled garden since you can now buy the MS Office for Android out of the Google Play Store just once and get your Office fix that way, forever. No ongoing blood bowl, in other words ..... If MS cannot chain you to the inner walls of the Walled Garden and bleed you for some small amount monthly, well, then they will likely have no existence going out past say 5-10 years. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/16/16 at 22:54:26 [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] http://semiengineering.com/10nm-versus-7nm/ http://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/GlobalFoundries-Will-Allegedly-Skip-10nm-and-Jump-Developing-7nm-Process-Technology- Let's talk NANOMETER for a bit. Global Foundries and IBM dropped a bombshell yesterday, they have Production Line #8 at Global Foundries up and running on the new IBM patented 7nm process (possibly using a non-silicone hybrid technology) for Global Foundries 7nm production. Yes indeedy, they are ready to take orders and make production runs on that first 7nm line. :-? right ..... IBM and Global Foundries have been working very closely together as IBM sold their new technology production development plant to Global Foundries last year with a commitment to bring on 7nm as part of the sale. They have done so at this point in time. Where do the other players sit right now? Qualcomm likes the Samsung 10nm process just fine right now because they have NO HEATING ISSUES and they like that, a lot. Let somebody else go scout out them Indian uprising villages, Qualcomm has gotten enough arrows in the back lately and wants no more embarrassing "technical leadership issues", ever. Qualcomm also sez "Let Global and IBM produce 7nm for a full season, then we will talk changeover". Samsung has their own take on 7nm in progress going at the moment, but is quite happy with selling their "known world-class winner" 10nm set up to the world right now. Remember, Samsung is still part of the IBM/Global/Samsung technology group, so they got access to whatever Global is building for 7nm right now. Plus, Samsung is all caught up with their exploding batteries right now and Samsung Mgmt. is somewhat risk adverse at the moment. TSMC is sitting at 10nm on four of their own lines and is looking to license somebody's proven 7nm technology to be starting their up 7nm changeover efforts up in 2017 (after the new EUV processes prove out to be reliable and stable). TSMC licenses only known winner technology, TSMC takes no risks on the new stuff and are content to be part of a year late to the party. TSMC and Samsung currently own the Apple A-11 SOC generation production contracts for the next two years, BTW ..... all at 10nm lithography. Intel is completely lost in their own massive clouds of brown butt vapor, so nobody knows really where they are right now except that "always 1-2 years late to the party" is currently a pretty good general Intel planning statement as of late. "Non-competitive" is another, harsher way of saying it about Intel. ::) Intel is choking and sputtering ..... Intel is now saying their own "limited 10nm capability will be put out for rent to the highest bidder", intending to find some overeager somebody out there in ARM land who will partner with them to help (pay for) finishing out developing a 10nm production process "the Intel way". NOTE PLEASE: Intel will NOT use their newest 10nm process on their own bread and butter PC CPUs (that sounds pretty bad, Intel --- low yields and overheating issues again ???). So far Intel has no takers ...... (people remember Rockchip and Altera entirely too well) Intel lovers say Intel is totally working on non-silicon and is putting absolutely zero dollars down into silicon land ever again ..... This might be a smart move for a strongly shrinking company like Intel. Hire you a few new non-silicon gurus away from IBM and ditch them thousands of home grown silicon experts that you already have in house. Shrink some more, that's the ticket. You can save billions RIGHT NOW by cutting all them useless silicon dead heads, you know. [smiley=vrolijk_1.gif] Jest circle them wagons with your contractual buddy Microsoft, and don't do anything for the next year or so. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] :-? Trust good 'ol Microsoft to carry you through to safely. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Part of what causes this confusing mixed bag on future progress is that Apple isn't up in front cracking the whip any more. Apple made this choice when they sold ARM Holdings to the Japanese Softbank Consortium as Apple now sees all the major players (all the big guys is now including Huawei and Mediatek) as designing their own chipsets now with only a few of the smaller guys actually buying the box stock ARM designs any more. Apple used to define the state of the art each new year, but that era ended this past year when Apple ceeded their old tech crown to Samsung and Qualcomm. So you got Intel and Apple dropping back down into the pack (Intel going to the very back grouping of the "slow pack", BTW) with IBM and Global taking the tech leadership role for a while. Samsung/Qualcomm is still wearing the current tech crown for the upcoming year off of last year's joint heat pipe 10nm initiatives anyway. Pundits are now saying 7nm may require a total product redesign of your phone product as 2.2 volts is all that these chipsets will need as they may durn well not even be silicon based any more ..... Initial designs at 7nm may well still be held to 5 volts as a change-over stage, mainly because all the sub suppliers still need to develop reliable 2.2 volt product offerings for batteries and radios etc. etc. etc. and ramp these offerings up into significant production before 2.2 volt component costs can come down. Big picture time, 20nm is now the low cost leader as it requires no FinFet and requires no multiple pass lithography runs, 14nm is now mostly a "has been intermediate node" and all the latecomers to current high tech progress are jumping directly down to 10nm directly as they can only afford to redesign one (1) lithography move right now and they feel they need to keep 5 volt tech right now as well. We have a global recession looming in the next 3 years, and all the tech companies are making their plans accordingly. Look for ARM Holdings to evolve rapidly during this dead time now that Apple's heavy thumb isn't holding them back any more. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/17/16 at 06:04:58 http://www.pcworld.com/article/2946124/ibm-reveals-worlds-first-working-7nm-processor.html note: article by SEBASTIAN ANTHONY - 9/7/2015 http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/07/ibm-unveils-industrys-first-7nm-chip-moving-beyond-silicon/ note: article by SEBASTIAN ANTHONY - 9/7/2015 http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/07/19298819448_d13bb30926_o-640x432.jpg The shield of competitive secrecy has now come down on the IBM/Global/Samsung production efforts. To get any info at all you have to go back to the 2015 first announcement of the new technology. IBM, working with GlobalFoundries, Samsung, SUNY, and various equipment suppliers, has produced the world's first 7nm chip with functional transistors. While it should be stressed that commercial 7nm chips remain at least two years away, this test chip from IBM and its partners is extremely significant for three reasons: it's a working sub-10nm chip (this is pretty significant in itself); it's the first commercially viable sub-10nm FinFET logic chip that uses silicon-germanium as the channel material; and it appears to be the first commercially viable design produced with extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography. First, the facts and figures. This is a 7nm test chip, built at the IBM/SUNY (State University of New York) Polytechnic 300mm research facility in Albany, NY. The transistors are of the FinFET variety, with one significant difference over commercialised FinFETs: the channel of the transistor is a silicon-germanium (SiGe) alloy, rather than just silicon. To reach such tiny geometries, self-aligned quadruple patterning (SAQR) and EUV lithography is used. Somewhat extraordinarily, due to incredibly tight stacking (30nm transistor pitch), IBM claims a surface area reduction of "close to 50 percent" over today's 10nm processes. All told, IBM and its partners are targeting "at least a 50 percent power/performance improvement for the next generation of systems"—that is, moving from 10nm down to 7nm. The difference over 14nm, which is the current state of the art for commercially shipping products, will be even more pronounced. And now, we wait. 10nm is currently being commercialised by Intel, TSMC, GlobalFoundries, and Samsung. It is much too early to guess when 7nm might hit mass production. Earlier this week, a leaked document claimed that Intel was facing difficulties at 10nm and that Cannonlake (due in 2016/2017) had been put on hold. In theory, 7nm should roll around in 2017/2018, but we wouldn't be surprised if it misses that target by some margin. If IBM and friends actually get 10nm and then 7nm out of the door with relative ease, though, then Intel's process mastery might finally be in contention. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/17/16 at 06:26:50 The 10nm and 7 nm references are conductor and input/output connector sizes going into transistors, right? Board traces , etc,, |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/17/16 at 06:35:16 Nope. Actual micro transistor gate feature size. Generally you can have fatter leads to the gates at no performance degradation (and as ARM has discovered keeping your leads super skinny leads directly to overheating slowdown issues as shown to them by Intel two years ago, and once again last year) Leads in and out now tend to be one lithography size larger than the transistor gates on most modern designs now as it has no performance penalty and you can burn them faster and the resulting SOC has improved yields and more robust "abuse ability". |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/17/16 at 06:59:51 Did you guys catch this little nugget in the text above? "Somewhat extraordinarily, due to incredibly tight stacking (30nm transistor pitch), IBM claims a surface area reduction of "close to 50 percent" over today's 10nm processes. All told, IBM and its partners are targeting "at least a 50 percent power/performance improvement for the next generation of systems"—that is, moving from 10nm down to 7nm. The difference over 14nm, which is the current state of the art for commercially shipping products, will be even more pronounced." These are significant improvements, improvements that would move you straight to the front of the pack it would. Both Samsung and Qualcomm are kinda sneaky sometimes and both of them do like to do a "world shaking product announcement" especially if they can get a real, "pay me back 3x overall" competitive advantage out of it ..... Sammy and Qualcomm both may be trying to play the other one right now, in other words. Or else perhaps they need to go forward with another agreement for Samsung to make chipsets for both of them at the new 7nm process node. This puts Intel really and truly way... way... way... way... behind the industry leaders, you know that, right? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/18/16 at 12:44:59 Other things not mentioned before, non-silicon is FASTER than silicon while using less battery power. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/19/16 at 06:11:08 A brighter tech future is out there, now, shipping by the end of 2017 Full PC power, faster than Core i5 used to be, lower energy consuming full SOC ARM based processors that are as small as IoT chipsets are right now. "Systems fast main memory" type built in memory, by the hundreds of gigabytes. A full PC experience that will fit inside the case of a skinny cell phone. Google out in front, gently herding the phone industry by setting a firm organized first example, showing how their OS products can work together in a Phone / PC type world. Google, by keeping it all open source, writing good standards and giving limited exposure to new tech and new software such that the big mobile suppliers can then make as good as or better items and beat Google price-wise, encouraging them to beat it, expecting them to beat it. Google, who by supporting their own little split off Google guys the visionaries who cooperate on the new stuff and who tend to grow up to be bigger guys fairly quickly. The future will not come from Intel or Microsoft, they are quite insular and very old school in so many ways such that they will not event try to keep current, much less make any real progress (other than in wall building, that is). Look at this current MSI Wintel example, it is really sorta sad actually. They may sell a few hundreds of these very expensive and cumbersome old tech rig-ups to rabid Wintel gamers, before the very first low cost ARM based google systems just sweeps the market away from them. http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/vr-one_02.jpg Intel sez "I really hate it that IBM has been granted hard patents on building non-silicon processors and I am going to wind up having to license this better tech from IBM/Global Foundries." |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/19/16 at 07:55:43 http://liliputing.com/2016/09/intel-may-not-done-mobile-processors.html http://https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSAjvU8peIBt6RCVOY9ADJHBY00XPA-C27HUK5-iJbcDu9XJH_E Hey, they just hired me away from Qualcomm a couple of months ago to teach Intel how to do an SOC design, I didn't know anything about having to do these press conferences at the drop of a poot ..... Intel reacts to the press because the press is treating them like, well, like that retarded nephew on your mother's side of the family. One has to admit though, that the parallel is sorta appropriate at this point in time. So .... Intel's Renduchintala is told to whup out the big PR howitzer and let go another huge brown stinky vapor blast that actually means ????? what ????? that they aren't going to poot in public so much in the future? That Renduchintala's at a total loss right now, that he has nothing REAL to say -- really -- at this point in time ???? Or, mebbe just that Intel has dropped all development on some of the six IoT Atom thingies that they just announced just like two weeks ago ...... (or mebbe that they were never really real in the first place ????) That he knows that if he gives up now and depends on Mickysoft to save his new company, that he's gonna get buried and forgotten inside those very same MS walled garden walls that he sees the rest of the Wintel vendor base chained up inside ???? ::) http://liliputing.com/2016/09/intel-may-not-done-mobile-processors.html http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/atom-inside.jpg In an interview with PCWorld, the president of Intel’s Client and IoT division Venkata Renduchintala said the company ceased working on “a couple of mobile SoC products that I don’t think were worthy to conclusion.” But he goes on to say: That doesn’t mean to say we’re no longer doing mobile platforms. On the mobile platform side, my commitment is to talk less and do more. When we have something to say, we’ll talk about it. That’s not quite an admission that Intel plans to launch a new system-on-a-chip for smartphones, low-power tablets, and similar devices. But it sounds like the company hasn’t ruled out the possibility. Another possibility that hasn’t been ruled out? Licensing an ARM design for a future chip. Perhaps Intel’s next smartphone processor won’t be an x86 chip at all, but one that shares more DNA with the processors that power most Android and iOS phones. :P At least they have stopped working on things they KNOW will never actually work in the marketplace. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/20/16 at 14:29:19 http://liliputing.com/2016/09/comcast-launch-wireless-service-2017.html http://about.att.com/newsroom/att_to_test_delivering_multi_gigabit_wireless_internet_speeds_using_power_lines.html Meanwhile, Google has chivvied both ComCast and AT&T into some serious competitive moves that are increasing broadband delivery speeds and lowering delivery prices and now ...... AT&T now wants to compete against Google Fiber's new long distance wifi delivery system with their own system of antenna on top of telephone poles and Comcast wants to do the same and SELL PHONES as well. This really sounds like a Intel style brown vapor reaction to Google moving quickly into their turf and Google getting support from the various cities to do the Move it One Time initiative which stops AT&T and Comcast from playing their silly telephone pole delaying games. http://liliputing.com/2016/09/atts-project-airgig-deliver-multi-gigabit-wireless-internet-using-power-lines.html http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/airgig.jpg Yup, AT&T sees all their advantages in the cell / data market place turning into mud in the next 3-5 years if they don't stirr off their keisters and DO something, like right now before Google goes and does it. And Comcast is eyeing AT&T's movements like a bristling pit bull, ready to restart their endless fight at the drop of a hat. Both of the large internet providers have gotten the message and are moving off of dead center at this point in time. ;D Once the monthly prices go down and the speed goes up, Google will have been successful in their coercion campaign to lower basic internet service prices and raise internet delivery speeds and to get more people out on the internet than ever before. Then Google makes more money from serving more ads up to more people ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/21/16 at 03:55:44 http://www.zdnet.com/article/npd-chromebooks-outsell-windows-laptops/ http://zdnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2015/08/13/144e297b-9d91-400a-9388-f8f1b0d369e5/59cc6528fe1bba9cf55bb76d1a904f6f/npd-laptop-and-tablet-sales-2015.png This is kinda deceptive chart, as it reflects only Business to Business sales. But it does indicate the growing shift in BIG BUSINESS as they begin accepting Chromebooks as a data entry device. And yes, for a second time, in a separate, discrete Business to Business quarter Windows laptops sold fewer new machines than Chromebooks did. This is no longer coming across as a freak circumstance like it did the first time around ....... In the same period, Chromebooks firmly and actually lapped past Apple laptop/desktops as a general, or absolute sort of thing. Apple is getting killed by Chromebooks everywhere where they meet up, as the Apple unit costs 3-4 times more than the Chromebook, but in common usage (things people normally do) they perform at similar speeds with the Chromebook edging out the complex, layered, Wintel based Apple machine for anything based on browsing speed. The Chromebook is physically lighter and it has better battery life, too. It has also been noted that all the extra "pay me" softwares needed to completely populate an Apple laptop (if added up in a column) actually costs more than the Chromebook costs. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/21/16 at 13:04:11 https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/ Lenovo starts Linux/Microsoft war over locked down "Signature Series" BIOS. A Linux user bought a shiny new Lenovo toy and took it home to put his favorite distro on it. He couldn't do so and the Lenovo forums had no idea why this was so as the same model and type loaded Linux just fine a month ago for several other people who were responding to the guy on the Lenovo forums. Questions to Lenovo Tech support were originally somewhat dicy and vague, then the responses broke free and got very specific. "This system has a Signature Edition of Windows 10 Home installed. It is locked per our agreement with Microsoft." Microsoft loves Linux, huh ??? Any other bullshite you want to tell us, MS? The outcry was immediate and huge as the thread went viral, so Lenovo deleted the thread. This was their second mistake .... the Linux boys had backed the whole thing up and immediately provided links to the back up sites. https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ts13/lenovo_responds_we_dont_intentionally_block_linux/ Then Lenovo tried to explain it away as a "Linux driver issue" but then Lenovo got blown down by offers of a corrected driver written for their machine that they wouldn't even say they would try to use or provide to their customers because of ".... per our agreement with Microsoft." >:( The investigation by the Linux crew fingered the actual trick MS is using for this particular lock down, a proprietary RAID array type on the SSD drive is used that has no Linux equivalent and a LOCKED HARDWARE BIOS that cannot be replaced, modified or changed after being burned at the factory. If, for example, you tried to put in a standard replacement SSD drive, your new Lenovo box would refuse to recognize it. You need a specific special "Walled Garden" SSD drive ..... bought from the Windows Store. So, go buy you a new Win 10 machine today and join the walled garden set, whether you want to or not .... :-/ Did you really think I was kidding about this shite? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/21/16 at 16:25:55 "This system has a Signature Edition of Windows 10 Home installed. It is locked per our agreement with Microsoft." RICO laws. I don't see how they can get away with it. Is it legal to? Probably, Is it RIGHT? Not from where I'm standing. Ohh, but I Can't care. I don't have a computer that is being messed with. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/21/16 at 17:09:19 Justin, As you sense, there is going to be a parting of the ways very soon. MS will try to capture as many users as they can and tuck them away in the walled garden AGAINST THEIR WILL IF NEED BE. Then MS will start to steal and modify various open source softwares (the ones that run under the Apache License model) to pervert good open source softwares into locked down MS closed garden forked variants. Why, because they can and because they have lost their widespread programmer base due to non-payment. Amazon is the one who taught MS how to do this trick, BTW. They are counting on the exact mind set you were mocking in your last post, the one which makes most normal people complacent, which focuses on the fact that "it is no skin off my nose since my machine is working fine at the moment". Then suddenly your machine conveniently "dies" on you (update indigestion, most likely) and you have to go buy a locked down wonder machine that cannot ever be anything but what MS wants it to be. So, MS wins, or else most of the users revolt and MS dies inside the next 3-5 years. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/21/16 at 17:17:09 Actually, I was told by someone about another topic that I didn't really care since I wasn't directly affected. Sounded a lot like Projecting to me. But yeah, so many people just don't care about injustice as long as it is not in their lives. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/22/16 at 03:53:31 Hmmmmmm ..... yup, I do think this particular injustice IS in YOUR life, it just hasn't bit you yet. .... not yet .... :P |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/22/16 at 07:12:36 I just can't see how it is legal. If I bought a car and it DID what I wanted and six months later went to get in and it would only turn left and wouldn't go over twenty MPH, I think I could sue the manufacturer if they intentionally caused that. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/22/16 at 11:40:51 Jest suppose the next time you had your tires and oil changed on your particular brand of car, there was wording in the fine print on the service ticket that said the dealer could modify your car for "safety reasons". And, for the next year the modifications were FREE, yes, at NO CHARGE if you signed the service agreement before August 31st. Yep, free upgrades for a year, sign right here on the dotted line. Then in the middle of the year after the free deal ended, the dealer folks got the factory to BUILD into your new car of the same brand that it cannot turn left or go faster than 20mph, and since it is supposedly a SAFETY item then if you try to remove it or alter it, your new car dies, permanently just as soon as your in-dash OnStar calls home that night. Your other service branch of a completely different company now says they have to do the safety thing to your brand of car too, due to contractual obligations back to the factory. It's not a law, but everyone has to do it or they can't get the keys to work. ::) There are other brands of cars, you know --- not every car maker is an arsehole. So what do you do? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/22/16 at 12:37:36 Wellll, uh, lemme have a minute here, oookay, I Think I might have an idea... Uhhh, Buy a car manufactured by someone who is not part of the scheme, Yet? Ohh, always read the fine print. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/23/16 at 00:26:22 Microsoft flinches ..... (damme, we weren't ready to phase that out yet. Damme that Lenovo, jumping the gun like that again.) Microsoft gets the phone call from the EU commission that they wish to meet with Mickysoft over various issues, including this one. MS freaks out ..... this is out way way too early yet, the hardware locks aren't supposed to come out until AFTER the Anniversary roll out is complete and all the software sides of the lock up are in place, which isn't but less than half done yet. Users are gonna balk now and not put in the Anniversary roll out update now because they are gonna be AFRAID of our upcoming machine lock down now. :o You do realize the upcoming Win 7 "comprehensive update packages" completely take over your Win 7 machine and turn it into nightly inspected, upgraded nightly mode, right? Quick, send in the talking heads out to "explain it away" !!! Tell Lenovo to take out their short sword and fall on it over this one at once -- immediately !!! http://www.zdnet.com/article/lenovo-reportedly-blocking-linux-on-windows-10-signature-edition-pcs/ http://https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xeqZB4j0fCrDbd3dbODenO1YSm0TqGnTTw9RBX8mJw75E9qrbWt-8_icz4pC6zjgdtPEBgA=s152 http://www.zdnet.com/article/whats-really-going-on-with-microsoft-lenovo-and-linux/ This last one is a masterful piece of a talking head job, a situational re-write that puts the short sword all the way through Lenovo's guts and has it poking all the way out the other side. But the message is CLEAR ... Lenovo, do not mess with the Linux people right now. Do not ship any locked down hardware ON ANYTHING until we tell you we are ready for you to ship it --- DO NOT give them any sort of early warning or else many users will NOT take the Anniversary Update with all its necessary software parts of the whole lock down system. DO NOT FORCE THE EU TO COME DOWN ON US UNTIL IT IS ALL A PAST TENSE "DONE DEAL". |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/23/16 at 00:56:44 Oh, the walls of the Garden are shaking and losing a few stones ..... the EU is knocking upon them wishing to speak to whomever is in charge. :o :o :o Mickysoft freaks out :o :o :o The Linux dudes in Europe are up in arms waving torches and pitchforks and the storm of emails and tweets are blasting the EU politicians into motion. They in turn, are politely knocking at the garden walls, asking to speak to whomever is in charge. "This sort of thing isn't done, old chap, not done at all". During the current furor, a very few vendor captives have slipped out the privy gate and have made their way outside the Walled Garden and have indicated their lives will be now be lived out in the open, that they saw nothing inside the shaded overcrowded garden recesses that would allow their companies to grow or thrive. They certainly recognize that Mickysoft isn't good enough to stage this sort of thing without getting them all mashed up in the process. They all also see who took the knife in the guts for doing Mickysoft's bidding, and they all realize that the same thing may be in store for them if they stay inside the garden walls with "Mickysoft the Quick Handed". |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/23/16 at 09:47:30 Number 1, Number 2 and Number 3 in ARM/Android land are ..... Qualcomm is still king, with Samsung at #2, but both are hitting rocky patches and are posting volume declines from years previous ...... both are still stealing volume from Apple, but overall their numbers are DOWN compared to years past. Apple, who is still big simply sits outside of ARM/Android land -- Apple is also posting 20-25% volume losses compared to year past and is losing upper end phone sales to both Qualcomm and Samsung accordingly. Samsung just cut a deal to let MediaTek build their low end processor needs under MediaTek's own brand name while Sammy is switching some of their lines over to 7nm. Samsung is still building Qualcomm's big chipsets for them but Samsung is still way way down on 10nm sales volume in total as they lost Apple completely to TSMC due to a lower TSMC 10nm production price. So, this year elevates MediTek to the Number 3 position, partially on transferred volume, but mostly because MediaTek is doing a lot of things right, lately. Apple is currently getting their 10nm chipsets from TSMC and guess who else is gonna be building up two brand new layers of lower cost 10nm chipsets at TSMC just as soon as Apple comes off this year's big processor build up ???? Yup, Mediatek comes in on those lines right after Apple production is done -- Mediatek who is making multiple production batches of those new huge 10 core chipsets built at 10nm followed by a whole slew of brand new 10nm midrange chipsets. AND MediaTek who is already announcing new 7nm designs for next year, too. Aiming right for Qualcomm's balls, they are. Even Chromebooks are showing new designs based on MediaTek quad core chipsets that are already in the works, so MediaTek is going to be showing up in laptops as well starting this fall. Somebody other than just Apple is going to lose some old volume this upcoming year as even Samsung acknowledges that you simply can't beat the pricing on those MediaTek midrange chipsets that are being built at TSMC. Yup, it's INTEL's time in the bung barrel again this upcoming year as they currently have NO price attractive mobile/Chromebook chipsets that are either REAL or in the works for next year and Intel has no current financial ability to "contra revenue" up a set either. Also please note that the entire new range of powerful new A72 - A73 based 10nm - 7nm ARM chipsets that are being planned and protoyped by everybody right now have just showed up as "fully supported" inside the Linux kernel. The old saying about "always buy Intel for future use in Linux" just went into the past tense mode as out of date historical knowledge type stuff ..... Think of this as a Linux counter move to the Microsoft/AMD/Intel Walled Garden Lockdown and you won't be too terribly far off the mark. So, MediaTek and TSMC are moving quickly to gather up all them lost production volumes left lying around all over the place for next year ...... including Intel laptops/desktops and any future Linux stuff as well. Tipping Point -- this may well signal a tipping point in mobile/laptop/PC space. This could be the beginning of the end for Intel and later, for Microsoft. Intel is waffling and floundering at the moment, showing no clear executable plan for much of anything, other than for laying off more high salaried silicon experienced employees who won't be very useful going out into the future. These activities will only speed Intel's progress down their slippery slope slide to obscurity. The only thing lacking for making it a Perfect Storm against Intel right now is for Apple to say their newest homebuilt A10X / A11x 10nm / 7nm chipset is going to be going into their low end laptops instead of the old Intel chipsets -- as a large cost reduction and productivity improvement thing. ;) ..... and then the Android 8.0 Phone PC rolls into play late next year ..... :o Yikes !! Fiscal websites are betting that Intel will soon be forced to produce ARM designs at false loss leader "competitive prices" within 18 months out of a complete lack of choice. This activity will signal the next speed bump in Intel's slide to obscurity. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/24/16 at 20:37:20 The deeper and deeper folks dig into this first little "walled garden fiasco" the more desperate the major players get to BLAME SOMEBODY ELSE. If having Lenovo immediately fall on their short sword wasn't good enough for you (and if you want to follow up on that Lenovo statement that there are AGREEMENTS about this shite with Mickysoft leading that agreed upon lock out effort -- then Mickysoft has a SPECIAL dodge for jest you as well). http://www.pcworld.com/article/3123075/linux/linux-wont-install-on-your-laptop-blame-intel-not-microsoft.html Go talk to the people who built all that performance enhancing hardware BS into their "system on a daughterboard" since they simply can't seem to build a faster processor any more. Yup, Intel should be providing drivers and Linux support for THEIR CURRENT INTEL PROCESSOR BOARDS and stating exactly how they actually operate. "The real question is, why doesn’t Lenovo’s BIOS let you disable RAID mode and use the Linux-compatible AHCI mode on certain laptops, as you can on most other laptops. As Linux developer Matthew Garrett points out, Intel is likely to blame: “Why would Lenovo do this? I don’t know for sure, but it’s potentially related to something I’ve written about before—recent Intel hardware needs special setup for good power management. The storage driver that Microsoft ships doesn’t do that setup. The Intel-provided driver does. “RAID” mode prevents the Microsoft driver from binding and forces the user to use the Intel driver, which means they get the correct power management configuration, battery life is better and the machine doesn’t melt.” The problem isn’t, as some commenters suspected, due to Microsoft’s Signature PC program. There are also valid concerns that Secure Boot could eventually block Linux from being installed, but that isn’t happening yet. The fact is, Intel just isn’t helping Linux developers, as it should: “The real problem here is that Intel does very little to ensure that free operating systems work well on their consumer hardware—we still have no information from Intel on how to configure systems to ensure good power management, we have no support for storage devices in ‘RAID’ mode, and we have no indication that this is going to get better in future. If Intel had provided that support, this issue would never have occurred. Rather than be angry at Lenovo, let’s put pressure on Intel to provide support for their hardware,” Garret says." It's a walled garden folks, with all the walled garden players communicating only in secret and sharing that secret sauce data only with their walled garden buddies. What you didn't realize is that Intel's latest and greatest whuppie daughter board thingies REQUIRE special tweeks so that "they get the correct power management configuration, battery life is better and the machine doesn’t melt.” Playing these sorts of games is the only way Intel can give Mickysoft the ability to run Win 10 at something close to a decent rate of speed, but in doing so dancing by necessity perilously close to "the machine doesn’t melt.” In the end, the need for this massive around the elbow optimization effort falls back on Microsoft for having written a huge sloppy Win 10 that REQUIRES more processor power than is really available right now just to get the big pig to trot along at a reasonable rate ..... The fact that the Intel daughter board system requires driver and support items only contained in Win 10 isn't an accident -- they TOLD you this was coming, right? It is all part of the walled garden protection design. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/25/16 at 05:53:43 http://liliputing.com/2016/09/oct-4th-rumors-google-show-off-merged-androidchrome-os-preview-69-chromecast-ultra-129-google-home.html http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/oct-4.jpg looks like organic growth personified, don't it? ;) Well, how opportune .... during the first big public furor over the Walled Garden somebody states they are going to be showing the first public examples of the conjoined Android/Chrome OS in about a week's time. ;) Last week we learned that FOSS had just pushed all the current modern ARM chipsets (yup, the bigger boys that have good processor speed, USB C support, large memory capability, etc. etc.) over into the Linux Kernel. That implies that the root Linux OS kernel will be able to support all of them, and that somebody had actually requested and supported all that detailed effort as it is DONE at this point in time. Putting stuff into the Linux Kernel is step one of Google support, since Android/Chrome are all actually Linux softwares that are supported out of the kernel. Since all these Oriental guys used to sit as "to the death" Hockey Stick competitors to each other, and some are actually sorta slack and very Chinese in their outlooks on this sort of stuff, they all likely needed a band leader to get them all organized. Me, I suspect Google was the organizer and the carrot offered to the processor builders was to get new vistas opened up for each of the affected companies for added sales of new equipment. The stick was that their most hated competitor was in there already, just waiting to jump on the new market opportunities. So, they all joined up ..... willingly enough, but with some hockey sticks clacking together sporadically as they sat together in the meetings. Do you see a counter move to the Walled Garden being made? A "open fields" approach where everyone gets a chance to grow? One hopes for a Googlish conjoined OS to be shown that is light and fast and requires about half the resources that Win 10 requires (and works twice as fast as Win 10 to actually get stuff done). Next, expect ARM to come out with a new class of new, more powerful larger core designs, with the new Cortex A-? cores having more processing power and bigger power requirements, intended to run off of LARGER batteries (or wall socket power). A laptop core, instead of a phone core so to speak. Please remember, this laptop super core may be physically the same size and pull the same current that older "powerful" cores used to pull because when the lithography gets to 10nm and below and you get more output power and throughput for your milliwatt/hour. This plays for AMD's Zen processors, as AMD is a Global Foundries customer and will buy the 10nm and the 7nm process from Global as soon as they can. AMD will certainly arrive at 10nm and 7nm before Intel does, unless Intel wants to have some of their processors actually built by Samsung, Global or TSMC. Expect Apple to perhaps go over to an AMD Zen processor or to cook their own laptop processor design around the A-11x Apple chipset family about at this same point in time, as Apple will have to respond to this sort of market shift or else APPLE WILL LOSE EVEN MORE (50% so far in the last 3 years) MARKET SHARE TO THE NEW CHROMEBOOKS*. Not responding would be a poor business decision. *or whatever Google is going to be calling them now -- Pixels ??? Pixel OS ??? Nope, how about Andromeda ??? We are about a week away from this next revelation ..... and as you think about it, remember this info from the past 3 years of trending change ..... http://zdnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2015/08/13/144e297b-9d91-400a-9388-f8f1b0d369e5/59cc6528fe1bba9cf55bb76d1a904f6f/npd-laptop-and-tablet-sales-2015.png |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/26/16 at 11:17:12 Today is an out of the closet day ..... http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/x30_02.jpg First, here is the new 10nm (11 core) Helio 30 chipset from MediaTek ..... Which will perhaps be inside the code named BISON laptop from Google which is thought to be a Pixel Laptop by the current leakages .... Which will perhaps be running Andromeda OS ...... More may become known in ~ 8~ more days when Google actually presents ..... stuff ..... :) people are chomping at the bit to become Beta Testers of these new systems |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/27/16 at 13:44:31 Microsoft started a YEAR ahead of Google Android on the Continuum thing, but Microsoft has been completely lapped now by Android and has fallen further behind since then. On top of that, the new Win 10 phone softwares have no backwards compatibility to old Window phones and their current Win 10 phone sales figures run around 0.4 of 1 percent (%) of all the cell phones currently being sold. http://liliputing.com/2016/09/multi-window-support-coming-windows-10s-continuum-phone.html Microsoft’s Continuum for phone feature sounded awesome on paper: you could supposedly connect your Windows 10 Mobile smwayartphone to a display, mouse, and keyboard and use it like a desktop PC. In practice, though, the feature has some serious limitations. Only a very few phones could ever handle it. Only Windows Store apps are supported. And these apps can only run in full-screen mode on your desktop display… for now. http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/continuum-for-phone.jpg When using an external display on the few supported Windows Phones in April, 2017 you’ll supposedly be able to resize the Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps, move them around the screen, and view multiple apps at the same time. Screen snapping will also supposedly work then too. This "already a year late" April, 2017 Continuum update, code-named Redstone 2, isn’t expected to officially launch until April, 2017 at the earliest. But a preview version should begin rolling out to members of the Windows Insider program sometimes before then. Note that you’ll need a Continuum-friendly phone like the Microsoft Lumia 950, Lumia 950 XL, Acer Liquid Jade Primo, or HP Elite x3 to get the new features. Last year's generation of Android phones have caught most of these features with the now rolling out Nougat update, with Jide and Superphone available in the Play Store along with docking stations to hook your current Android phone on up today. Whatever Google calls the next generation of Android past Nougat (Andromeda ???) it will support these sorts of things natively. MS requires a post-processing cabling station to do their Continuum tricks, a cabling station that by itself costs as much as most mid range Android phones cost. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/30/16 at 08:18:24 http://liliputing.com/2016/09/hp-blocks-third-party-ink-working-printers-company-promises-optional-update-remove-ban.html HP shows its arse as a Walled Garden member in good standing ..... http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/hp-8610.jpg HP learns some new dirty tricks from Mickysoft A few weeks ago HP activated a firmware update sent over the internet for many of its recent printers. The company said the update was meant to “ensure the best consumer experience,” but what the update did was stop HP’s printers from working with third-party ink cartridges. Even customers who had already purchased those cartridges, put them in their printers, and used them for months found that after the update they could no longer print. This left many users frustrated, and the Electronic Frontier Foundation called on HP to roll back the update and promise never to describe this sort of thing as a “security” update again. Here’s the thing: modern printers are internet-connected devices which can be affected by security vulnerabilities much the same way as laptops, phones, or other devices. Those vulnerabilities can be exploited so that a printer can download malware from the internet, pass it along to a computer, and compromise your data. But the same thing could theoretically happen if you insert ink from an untrusted source: because there’s a chip on ink cartridges, it could be used to inject malware. Of course, if HP hadn’t included a security chip in its ink cartridges in the first place, maybe this would be a non-issue. It’s also telling that HP describes its “security chip” and the firmware update as designed to “protect HP’s innovation and intellectual property,” rather than as a feature designed to protect users in any way. Meanwhile, it’s pretty easy to imagine another reason HP would want to block users from installing third-party ink cartridges. Printers are a sort of razor-handle-and-blades product. You buy the printer once and use it for many years. But you will probably buy many, many ink cartridges over the life of the printer, and that’s where the real money is. If you decide to buy cheaper ink from a third-party, then HP doesn’t get as much value. One solution would be to raise the initial cost of the printer itself (which would be difficult to justify in a competitive marketplace). Another would be to discourage customers from buying anything but HP-branded ink. Anyway, the good news is that users will soon have the option of installing an update that will allow ink cartridges that are currently unsupported to work again. The bad news for HP is that this recent move has probably done in the company’s reputation. ::) Dumb, you listened to Mickysoft and now you have shot yourself in the foot unnecessarily. With a shotgun, no less. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/01/16 at 08:54:42 Xerox had a small copier that had a drum unit with a counter. When it hit a certain copy count it popped a hair width fuse link. It could be making perfect copies, BUT, because Xerox didn't want to see Their copier producing low quality copies, they just obsoleted the drum module. I was able to jumper the thing on one out of three or four, but I gave up.. The customers were Pissed at Xerox.. and I don't blame them. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/02/16 at 05:20:03 Google is condensing and rebranding itself as more of a direct competitor to both MS and Apple. This is a change that likely will carry elements both good and bad. Google has been FOSS driven, putting things out to see if they grow or not based upon them being better ideas or not. Chromebooks slowly grew, but grow they did -- some would say that growing to 30% market share inside 5-6 years was somewhat of an impressive thing, but actually the Google guys expected to more or less take over the market because their stuff was ..... better. What they found was an actively entrenched US market place that has further walled and defended itself in an attempt to just keep on selling the same old stuff. ARM Holdings is now out from under Apple's thumb and will likely rebrand themselves shortly in several fairly substantial fashions. Google is rebranding itself as we speak (major announcements on Tuesday of this week). In the face of this upcoming wave of competitive products, you got Microsoft, Intel and HP LOCKING DOWN all new laptops and desktops and printers to only use the buddy partner's products or their very own items bought from the MS store. Expect to see a wave of printers coming from Samsung and Brother and others to fill in the gap just left in the wall by HP's recent stupid actions. PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT HAVING TO BUY AN HP REPLACEMENT INK CARTRIDGE AT 4X THE COST OF GENERIC. Both Cannon and Brother sell tank based printers in India right now, ones that you just pour the ink direct from the bottle into the various color tanks. The Epson tank printer is on sale at Walmart.com ..... has been for a year now. What is good about this increased competition? More choices, lower operating costs. What is potentially bad about this Google total rebranding and the increasing entrenchment from the Walled Garden guys? Less choice, higher prices and FOSS losing access to the some of the code needed to integrate new products into the free zone. >:( Yes, the free zone (the place where I live) may simply get chopped off by the Walled Garden boys ..... they are trying to wall off their customer base now and will move against FOSS who has lived small off of their customer base, converting them to "free stuff" for years and years and years now. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/03/16 at 18:58:45 HP SCREWS UP AGAIN ..... promises to reverse their controversial "over the web update" and then DOES NOT ACTUALLY GO DO IT. Once again, a Walled Garden guy tries to defend his turf so he can still go around doing the same old shite he has always done -- I think this is called "sticking your head in the sand" like an Ostrich supposedly does. There are alternatives out there you know. http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/tech-news-pixma-ink-efficient-g1000-g2000-and-g3000-are-canons-first-ink-tank-system-printers http://https://media.canon-asia.com/shared/live/products/EN/g1000_b1.png https://www.walmart.com/ip/Epson-WorkForce-ET-4500-EcoTank-All-in-One-Printer-Copier-Scanner-Fax-Machine/47090202?action=product_interest&action_type=title&item_id=47090202&placement_id=irs-106-t1&strategy=PWVAV&visitor_id&category=&client_guid=c367a782-aabc-4f9e-9b83-841d2cbf8831&customer_id_enc&config_id=106&parent_item_id=47090197&parent_anchor_item_id=47090197&guid=0da27deb-d7ef-4fe7-a220-4ca156cec470&bucket_id=irsbucketdefault&beacon_version=1.0.1&findingMethod=p13n http://https://i5.wal.co/asr/b2a85e06-b964-4384-8e95-0e9bca868afe_1.69c95242924b1ad5006532f5175bb917.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/03/16 at 20:33:56 http://www.infoworld.com/article/3126161/microsoft-windows/windows-10-usage-plateaus-while-windows-7-holds-its-own.html "Depending on whose numbers you believe, the Windows 10 adoption rate is either horrible or disastrous" headline quote, no less Oh, I do so love being proven right, finally. I said Mickysoft was lying about the adoption rates of Win 10, that it was all made up numbers that were put forth to get you to switch ANY LYING WAY THEY COULD. http://www.infoworld.com/article/3126161/microsoft-windows/windows-10-usage-plateaus-while-windows-7-holds-its-own.html Read it and understand that while the numbers NEVER ACTUALLY WENT UP for the last part of the sell in year you were told they were marching right along towards the 1 billion goal -- this was all just a big Mickysoft marketing lie. They had to fool you into clicking "yes" somehow ...... Microsoft tossed Win10 under the bus when it unleashed the Get Windows 10 infection. Microsoft lost much of its credibility with consumers and put a severe dent in corporate loyalty. As soon as the coerced upgrades stopped, Win10 market share drifted. Microsoft’s main hope right now lies in convincing enterprises to move to Win10, spurred by demonstrated advances in security. The consumer market may be nudged forward with new machines replacing old ones: All new machines from the major WinPC manufacturers will ship with Win10 pre-installed, starting next month. But there’s another force at work. Starting this month, Windows 7 and 8.1 will get the same kind of forced updating -- and, presumably, snooping -- that have become hallmarks of Windows 10. The patchopalypse may drive some to move to Windows 10, to cave in to the indominatable force. My guess is that the patchopalypse will lead most Windows 8.1 and 7 users to simply stop applying updates, or to drop Windows entirely. Numbers based on website hits from both StatCounter and NetMarketshare, the two biggest market tracking organizations, say that Windows 10 usage share flatlined from August to September. NetMarketshare says Windows 10's slice of desktop operating system use decreased by 0.5 percent. Guys, this says they aren't even selling enough machines to REPLACE what they are intentionally still killing with driver based illnesses, hard drive partition "errors" and the various other MS dirty tricks. And when they start slipping their "upgrades" into your Win 7 installation late at night while you are sleeping, guess which parts you get first ..... :( .... where did all these bricks stacked up around my PC come from ????? My la-de-da just quit working, hmmmmm -- wonder if I need a new PC ??? No, you need to load a Linux Mint Mate DVD or jump drive, then see if your hardware is really still functioning normally. Know WHY you are having to consider a new machine. Then consider simply using Linux instead --- Mickysoft isn't going to stop with the use of dirty tricks, you know, they depend on them now as a major tool in their tool box. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/04/16 at 07:02:04 If someone could demonstrate that Chevrolet was sabotaging the cars they sold last year so they could sell more next year, people would , people would WHAT? We already Know that the government brought drugs in, which created crime, which necessitated more cops, more prisons. Gee, it's Almost looking like the system is rigged. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/04/16 at 11:34:20 Time to pick your choice of VR Systems Contender A MSI Wintel all the way ...... a sleek 9 pound backpack and flexible cabled connected googles. http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/vr-one_02.jpg ==================== or ========================== Contender B Goole swinging a sub 1 pound goggle holding your Pixel cell phone which is connected wirelessly to the net and to the sword handle. http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/daydream-view_09.jpg ::) mmmmmm, lemme think on this one a little bit, can't be buying me some obsolete tech here now, not at this stage of things ....... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 10/04/16 at 13:01:09 OF, at the risk of displaying even greater tech illiteracy. What do those things do? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 10/04/16 at 13:52:25 OF, at the risk of displaying even greater tech illiteracy. What do those things do? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/04/16 at 15:22:40 You go inside the game, and you swing a sword or a light saber or shoot a gun, while you are all up close and gore splashin' personal. Example: you are exploring a dark cave by flashlight and you get bitten by a snake, you look down and see the snake attached to your boot. You now see the other snakes coming for you across the floor ...... you look up and see the bats and spiders headed for you too. Retreat and get a couple of flaming torches before returning. You learn to look down and up and all around all the time, since evil can come at you from any direction in VR space. Tourist stuff comes off especially well in VR, since you can look around you in any direction. VR = virtual reality |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 10/04/16 at 23:50:51 Hate to say it OF, but I think I'll stick to riding an S40 and driving antique cars. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/05/16 at 10:37:44 I guess the real reason I brought it up was to show just how far behind the techno curve that Microsoft and Intel really live, and just what is considered as current tech "inside the walled garden". You pay > $800 for the 9 pound backpack and goggles from MS. You pay $69 from Google for a lite well padded accessory goggle that mounts your Pixel phone and does the same job as the huge noisy exhaust fan backpack. ============================ Wintel attempts to make their stuff "more attractive" to their fan boys by locking in the relatively few gaming titles that the Wintel backpack supports. Buy our stuff or don't get any of it ..... Google already has a good many apps on the Playstore and a large volume of viewables on Youtube and the number of Google VR items are growing more all the time. Google is far less restrictive, and has more content accordingly (mostly free content, too). Google VR is built into the new Pixel phones that are shipping as we speak. Google VR can be added to most all future Android phones if the manufacturer wants it. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/05/16 at 11:33:00 Thankfully I Need neither, because handing either of them money makes me gag. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/05/16 at 11:33:12 This is rare, juicy and somewhat nasty. A key Walled Garden player, HP, complains at a stockholder meeting about how they did all the stuff they were expected to do, shot themselves in the foot with the obligatory shotgun and did all the things that Mickysoft said for them to do --- but the promised sales bump never materialized. http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/hp-it-s-windows-10-s-fault-we-re-not-selling-any-computers http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/000037006/b772_orh370w630/Spectrex36015.jpg As tablets and smartphones continue to rise in popularity, sales of the humble PC have fallen. But CEO of HP Inc, Dion Weisler, has another theory about the decline of PC sales. In the first quarter to the end of January, HP Inc suffered a 12% drop in financial revenues to $12.2 billion (£8.76 billion) year-on-year. According to Weisler, that drop is down due to lack of demand for Windows 10. Speaking to investors on a conference call this week, which was transcribed by Seeking Alpha, he said: "We have not yet seen the anticipated Windows 10 stimulation of demand that we would have hoped for, and we’re carefully monitoring any sort of price developments that could further weaken demand.” Despite his view however, he made sure to add that he believes Windows 10 is 'a tremendous operating system'. HP Inc is the part of HP which sells PCs and printers, the other part being Hewlett-Packard Enterprise. Sales of PCs and printers have both seen a steady decline in recent years, and a report from Gartner last month seems to back up Weisler's view of Windows 10 being part of the problem. Related: Windows 10 vs Windows 8 The report found a lack of Windows 10 uptake at the end of 2015, which was partly responsible for a year-on-year drop of 8.3% in the PC market. The latest financial results for HP Inc are the first since the company split in two last year. It was expected that Windows 10 would help PC sales remain stable, but in HP's case that seems not to have been the case. ====================================== So, by pissing off everybody with a nightly upgrade that locked down EXISTING printers to only use HP brand cartridges and by aligning themselves completely with the Walled Garden crew on the PC side of things HP has come up a 12% cropper on new sales at the "locked in devices at elevated price point" that the Walled Garden crew is promoting. Duh, dude -- how is your good friend Mickysoft, your super savvy marketing guru a-doing? Slightly worse, huh? Not so savvy, huh? Both Lenovo and HP will quickly learn they actually did better aligned with FOSS than in active opposition to them. HP needs to get aligned with their customer base, not Mickeysoft's BS buddies. Look for more shrinkage to occur for all these guys inside the next fiscal quarter. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/05/16 at 11:49:20 What has not been foreseen by anyone was that people are content to live off a cell phone and a Kindle tablet. Nobody uses their PC much apart from work items or for just browsing the web. For example, I keep my good cell phone by the bed with some earbuds and have been known to watch a movie late at night if I wake up and can't get back to sleep easily. HP loses 12% in sales volume inside a quarter -- that signals a new retrench position is coming, with the walled garden boys doing this stuff again ..... falling back and putting up a new wall closer in. http://https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xVIugQhtqwc/maxresdefault.jpg |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/05/16 at 13:17:31 Ask yourself What is the most appreciated//desired aspect of a computer? Connection with the internet. For what? Places of interest. Forums News search engines to look for articles on a topic. That's me. My NEED for a printer is almost zero. Certainly less than the cost of buying and maintenance. So infrequently used that ink dries up in the jets. A tower computer? No way. A laptop? The wife kinda wants one, but she has,thus far, been unable to point out anything that Needs done that we can't Get done with a cell phone or a kindle. In the words of the guys from that intellectually stimulating show Psych Micky and HP can Suck iiiit!!!! |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 10/05/16 at 20:43:39 Yes JOG, most of my computing needs resemble yours, although I do use my scanner a lot, I've been using my HP printer recently, as I'm on a couple of committees and have to print off minutes and so on. I use HP's cartridges anyway I'm not a gamer so that sort of thing isn't necessary, and until MS completely buggers Win 7, I'll stick with it. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/06/16 at 21:44:17 http://hothardware.com/news/windows-10-market-share-is-shrinking-according-to-netmarketshare-statcounter Hothardware, a MS loving publication, reports disturbing news A slight regression in market share is being reported for Windows 10 by three sources: NetMarketShare, StatCounter and Valve’s Steam Hardware and Software Survey. In NetMarketShare’s case, Windows 10 was sitting firm with 22.99 percent of the global operating system market in August. However, that share rolled back to 22.53 percent in September, which is troubling for an operating system that Microsoft had originally hoped would cross the 1 billion installs threshold some time in 2018 (that figure is currently claimed at 400 million by MS, but is actively disputed by various pundits). During that same period, Windows 7 actually saw an uptick in adoption, going from 47.25 percent to 49.27 percent. Perhaps NetMarketShare is picking up on customers that have downgraded from Windows 10 to Windows 7? Interestingly enough, StatCounter is also reporting Windows 10 backpedaling, with its September share dipping ever so slightly to 24.42 percent compared to 24.43 percent for August. These small declines were then further backed up from another source: the Steam Hardware and Software Survey. In August, the survey showed that Valve’s Windows 10 user base stood at 48.95 percent. However, September saw that figure fall to 48.90 percent. This was the first time that Window 10 had seen a decline in share (even if it was a tiny one) since it launched over a year ago. While we may never know the real reasons behind these nearly imperceptible declines in market share for September, it’s interesting to note that we’re seeing those declines from three different reporting agencies – so there’s definitely something amiss here. Is this just a one-time dip or indicative of some potential rough waters in the months ahead for Microsoft? We’ll revisit this topic again next month to see how Windows 10 is faring in the marketplace. ::) ...... duh, the Walled Garden Boys are pissing everybody off, getting the EU to begin investigating them and then going and scragging the 3rd party ink cartridge industry (AFTER the cartridges are installed and working, no less) --- do you think this sort of bullshite has no repercussions ????? http://zdnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2015/08/13/144e297b-9d91-400a-9388-f8f1b0d369e5/59cc6528fe1bba9cf55bb76d1a904f6f/npd-laptop-and-tablet-sales-2015.png Tipping Point Suspected -- prediction time has come again. Work through it with me -- MS lies a lot with their figures, and the computer press is now finally saying that out in the open and IS NOT USING MS FIGURES ANY MORE. They are carefully using impartial sources now, and are actually checking the impartial figures against each other for consistency. The latest figures say that MS Win10 is below 50% market share counting all the machines converted or "sold new" AFTER the big Win 10 push has been completed (and after all the uninformed PT Barnum "one born every minute" suckers have all been gathered into the Walled Garden by force). This is a tipping point, and very soon Google will grow to be the larger system in new unit sales, assuming that this hasn't already happened since MS and the others simply counted all the old converted Win 7 machines inside their Win 10 figures because they really can't avoid it. Remember HP is complaining that their market has just tanked by 12% which is in line with the 9% generally reported MS PC/Laptop market decline -- with all of this in the new unit sales side of things and remember, HP is a MAJOR player in that area so what they are bitching about to their stock holders is likely very real. Newly sold Chromebooks however, are still doing very well with double digit growth reported again (in the Business to Business segment that are being reported impartially anyway). The overall OS market share number is a different "unknown" animal, however, and needs to be reported with base figures that are not contracted for and paid for by MS. MS has consistently refused to acknowledge that Chrome OS even exists, for over 3 years now no less. Can you say perhaps the TIPPING POINT has been reached ???? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/09/16 at 14:56:44 Perhaps NetMarketShare is picking up on customers that have downgraded from Windows 10 to Windows 7? STUPID free-market consumers. They don't Know they are Downgrading. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/09/16 at 15:27:14 Mebbe they just want their stuff to actually work again ....... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/09/16 at 17:40:25 Pardon, please? If I may,, If my,, whatever, ain't Wurkinn, and I CHOOSE a different Kinda brain, driver, whatever, and I Git my whatever, bakk to runnin, how is that Not an Upgrade? If you're unable to cobble enough nonsense together to Pretend that you've answered that without puking on your keyboard, there are some on this forum who seem to be able to type just about anything and pretending that They actually support and believe it all. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/09/16 at 18:54:40 I think everybody has some reservations about MS and what they have been doing lately. I think the next big revelation is later on this upcoming year when Office 365 begins to include the Windows OS itself, and if you aren't paying for the 365 style support you don't get that support on the OS either. And if you buy it in a new machine (with all the Walled Garden Lock Downs fully functional) then you got no choice but to go blood bowl all the way when that first year ends on you .... :-[ Also landing at about this same time frame will be the Android PC/Phone thing as an integral part of standard 8.0 Android release, along with the new Andromeda OS beta trial thing (new fusion of Android and Chrome OS). Or, perhaps they will actually be the same thing by then ???? Who knows, Google ain't saying. ====================================== Sneaky Apple, Sneaky TSMC, Sneaky Global I told you that 10nm was in production for Apple, Samsung, Qualcomm and MediaTek right now, right? Global, Samsung and TSMC are a doin' it, for themselves and for Apple and Qualcomm. I just got brain bushwacked a bit by a new just released bit of data that Apple has TSMC in production on one line using multi-pass 7nm tech right now for one of Apple's premium high end products for next year. This ability signals that quite a few mgfs may well then intentionally chose to jump from 14/16nm all the way down to 7nm within the next calendar year, leaving Intel totally behind the entire pack tech-wise going forward. They will all likely want to skip the 5 volt 10nm half step as each finer lithography layout costs 10's of millions of dollars to develop, and if ARM has the 2.2 volt 7nm octacore map all laid out already many vendors will simply choose to pay the licensing fee and just use it during the transitional phase in year (and avoid all the known phase in risks). What will drive this choice is that 7nm items run at 2.2 volts naturally. This is an industry sweeper as once you convert all your various bits and pieces to the new lower voltage and get some economy of scale going, then you cannot easily go back to 5 volts. Those stuck at 5 volts will get screwed due to rising component costs. Doing a limited production at 5 volts will simply cost too much money. Economy of scale cost savings are based on MAKING THEM ALL THE SAME WAY as cheaply as possible ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/11/16 at 15:05:51 Samsung completely discontinues and recalls all the Galaxy Note 7 phones that were ever built Sammy got caught out at the bleeding edge of battery fast charging technology and has bought themselves a 10 pound sack of shite that will cost them $10 billion dollars to dispose of. And a black eye ..... And their number 2 position in phone land ..... And their position as "technology leader" in phones ..... Qualcomm understands totally -- their waterloo was "overheating processors" when they pushed the front edge of things a little bit too far about a year ago. MediaTek now has a chance to break into the top 3 worldwide if they can keep prices low and the good features on up there. Taking #2 position is out of the question, but outselling Qualcomm processors in their home Chinese market is something MediaTek has been shooting at for for years now. .... this is all existing phones in use, not just newly sold items .... markets covered are China and India and Indochina .... http://www.livemint.com/r/LiveMint/Period1/2016/02/24/Photos/web_Social_-Analysis_smart_phones.jpg Something that has crept up upon us yet again is that China and India are really really HUGE phone markets, much much much larger than the US and European markets added together. MediaTek owns these low to mid-range cost, pretty high performance sort of markets and everything about their newest 10nm processors is tuned to fit these markets, exactly. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 10/11/16 at 15:17:29 And a number of medical bills as these things tend to go off in pockets... bra's... where ever. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/11/16 at 17:40:12 http://liliputing.com/2016/10/gartner-pc-shipments-falling-non-stop-2-years.html Garner might be inadvertently giving us all a potential "related rate differential" between Windows 10 sales and Chromebook new unit sales ..... unintentionally of course as MickySoft would NEVER pay them to do that, ever. Last quarter, MS lost 5.9% of their slice of the total market share. Apple lost market share around 13% from their slice of the total level. You can say that logically Google and Linux may have picked up some of those dropped marbles, but you can NEVER prove that this is true because MickySoft doesn't want that sort of stuff said out loud, ever. And MS is the one who pays Garner to do these surveys, right ??? Another take on this situation is that Google (and the whole pie accordingly) GREW SIGNIFICANTLY and the other guys took some shrinkage as a percentage of the new larger pie. We can't say this is true or not, because Micky won't give out the necessary info. I tend to think not, as if the pie got any bigger for any reason beneficial to 'ol MS they would be firing the cannons, jumping up and down & dancing and cheering in the street. So, no dancing and cheering sez that Google did all the growing that was done. "That said… this whole decline in PC shipments thing? It might just be a question of classification. Gartner’s report doesn’t include Chromebooks, and the company notes that it looks like “Chromebooks exceeded PC shipment in growth.” But there’s really no reason to think of Chromebooks as anything other than personal computers. They just happen to be laptops that run Google’s operating system instead of Microsoft’s or Apple’s. Likewise, there may come a time when makes sense to group smartphones in with “personal computers,” since they’re becoming the go-to devices for communications, media, games, web browsing, and a lot of the other things people have traditionally used PCs for." These guys include all the players ..... http://zdnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2015/08/13/144e297b-9d91-400a-9388-f8f1b0d369e5/59cc6528fe1bba9cf55bb76d1a904f6f/npd-laptop-and-tablet-sales-2015.png |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/12/16 at 13:02:57 http://www.investors.com/news/technology/click/apple-iphone-seen-losing-market-share-through-2020/ Let's talk about Apple a bit. Apple used to be the 800 pound gorilla in all of cell phone technology, but this is no longer the case. Google has grown past Apple in all desktop / laptop numbers, with Chromebooks actually approaching the second or third lap around point as Apple desktop/laptop shrinks down to inconsequence. Apple phone in total is now 6x smaller than Android phone, with the newest (non-Galaxy 7) Samsung phones out featuring and out selling iPhone by at least double on the new-new side of things. Ditto for the Google Pixels, which are doing very well as a new product line introduction. Yes, Google Pixel brand is out in the wild now, and it CLEARLY out features the Apple iPhone at the same price levels, with Google preserving lots of head room for lowering their initial pricing as the phones age out and the new Pixel phones come out. Google sells on line only, it does not have to support brick and mortar stores as does Apple. Google Fi cellular service now supports family plans and it has much better pricing than the players supporting the iPhones by about a factor of two. http://www.investors.com/news/technology/click/apple-iphone-seen-losing-market-share-through-2020/ http://www.investors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Click03_aapl_060116_newscom.jpg "Apple (AAPL) iPhone unit shipments are forecast to grow at less than half the rate of smartphones using Alphabet (GOOGL)-owned Google's open-source Android operating system over the next five years, research firm IDC said Wednesday. IDC predicts that iPhone unit shipments will grow at a compound annual rate of 2.9% from 2015 through 2020. That compares with a 6% compound annual growth rate for Android smartphones during the same period. IDC forecast iPhone shipments to fall 2% this year to 226.8 million units. Android smartphones from vendors led by Samsung are seen growing 6.2% this year over 2015 to 1.24 billion units. Apple's iPhone is expected to claim 15.3% market share by smartphone unit shipments this year, while Android should take 83.7% market share, IDC said." ;) Mickyphones are still at LESS THAN 0.4% total market share, and nobody even mentions them any more except as footnotes to more layoffs. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/16/16 at 09:15:18 http://android.wonderhowto.com/how-to/theres-hidden-feature-nougat-gives-your-android-phone-tablet-desktop-like-experience-0174278/ http://img.wonderhowto.com/img/83/93/63611967173647/0/theres-hidden-feature-nougat-gives-your-android-phone-tablet-desktop-like-experience.1280x600.jpg Google said nothing about Android phone PC during their last major product introduction this past week, not wanting to dilute their big Pixel announcements with other stuff. This LACK OF INFORMATION caused a lot of people to ask questions about what they were really doing and when they were really going to release it. The answer to that was that they had already released it in Nougat 7.1. They just didn't make a big deal about it. They split the implementation up into two pieces -- one which was released integral to the Android 7.1 Nougat system release and the other part which is a item in the Play Store which has to be loaded by you. This may be being done this way on purpose, so you don't have to burden a standard cell phone installation with bits and pieces it will never use. The down play on the introduction may also reflect that Jide Remix and Andromium Superphone both have a more mature, more complete implementation of "Android as a PC" than Google does right now. So now you, personally, can go choose to play beta tester on resizable movable big screen Android whatzit, with windows, keyboard access, mouse and all the other bits and pieces necessary to make up an Android phone PC and you can do it early, very early and you can do it as part of beta or pre-beta (if you prefer those terms) and you can have a hand in fixing what needs fixing. Or not .... if you chose not to. Jide RemixOS is a mighty soft fall back if you are stuck between a rock and a soft place ..... and Remix will support older, weaker phone processors and older graphic systems and older plug styles like mini-usb. The MickySoft Win10 folks did not get these choices they were ALL forced to be Beta Testers and every single update was a glorious crapshoot for them for over a YEAR because of the MickySoft Method of "Forced Upgrade" beta testing. Here is a hard fact -- an old leftover phone will be able to do this duty off the Andromeda it ships with once another year or so rolls past. I always seem to have an old phone laying around to put on my handlebars or whatever. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/17/16 at 07:31:07 Best vs Cheapest cell phones out there Cheapest is a miserable to talk on FreedomPOP Motorola E (2nd gen) that gets 1 gig of data off of Sprint each month and is actually free. Well, as long as you are willing to put up with FreedomPOP that is -- FreedomPOP is miserable to deal with, the free phone voice service is miserable, but it is free. Once you get it on to decent speed Wifi it works a lot better as Sprint sucks as a carrier when you only use the lowest tower speed level they possess. But it is free. Like in, you know, free. Best is a Google Nexus or Google Pixel running the new Google Fi Family plan. These are state of the art phones that run a $15 a month service that lights up THREE (3) DIFFERENT CARRIER'S HIGH SPEED TOWERS using whichever of the bunch has the very best cell service for you at the moment. Data is shared among the family group members according to a divvy up that you control and it costs $10 a gig with all unused data being paid back at the end of the month. You can have 6 people in the family group, but all of them have to have current Google phones. Penalty for over running your data plan is ..... they sell you another gig for another $10 and refund you for any that you don't use. THERE IS NO PENALTY FOR ANYTHING WITH GOOGLE Fi, IT IS ALL UP FRONT, EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND SEAMLESS TO DEAL WITH. What makes Fi stellar is that you can turn off your Fi service completely at the touch of your finger, and leave it off for up to 3 months at a time, and get charged for nothing. All non-cell call/text functions will still work fine under wifi and it can complement my free phone easily when the 1 gig of free data doesn't make it through the month. You can do this "shut the towers off" as often as you like, no fee, no penalty. While the towers are turned off and you are not getting charged a penny, you will still get wifi internet ongoing as that is wifi driven, not cell tower driven. Or if you go on a motorcycle trip, etc. Just stop and sit down at a place like McDonalds or Hardees that has fast Wifi available for free. Google Maps in local storage has matured into something really useable, you can download areas greater than one state now and once you are operating off the stored map you can leave wifi/tower areas at will (like up in the mountains) and everything just keeps on working off the locally stored map data and your GPS receivers built into your phone ..... Both phones can do the saved Google Maps thing, and I like to put the free one up on the handle bars in case of a "Hey, the durn thing wiggled loose" boo boo that might drop and destroy the $29 phone while riding. I just have to remember to have the route started up and running while still in the Wifi zone at the sit down place. ;) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/17/16 at 14:59:31 https://liliputing.com/2016/10/amazon-pulling-plug-kindle-app-windows-store.html Amazon is pulling the plug on its Kindle app for the Windows Store http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/kindle-apps.jpg?w=600&ssl=1 Amazon’s been offering a version of its Kindle app through the Windows Store since Windows 8 was released. But now the company is scrapping that version of its app and instead recommending Windows users install the Kindle for PC desktop app, which is compatible with Windows 7 or later. Another set of programmers abandons the shrinking Walled Garden OS system. Hey, you can still use the old obsolete stuff you paid us to write ..... ...... That is if you still actually support it all the way through this current month, you old sweetie MickySoft, you. ::) That 0.4% of total market share is certainly compelling to us outside programmers, in a very negative sense that is. :-? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/17/16 at 18:29:26 What is going well for Samsung ???? ...... not much at the moment. They lost their this year 10nm market share with Apple to TSMC because of lower cost. Ditto for their 7nm market share for next year as Apple has paid for a dedicated 7nm line at TSMC which is slowly running up chipsets for next year as we speak. Samsung lit up a bunch of Galaxy Note 7 phone batteries inside people's pockets and had to recall and scrap the lot of them. You break a federal law now if you carry a Galaxy Note 7 on to an airplane. Yup, an FAA outlawed "explosive device" Samsung phone. Really great press, huh? Qualcomm is dumping Samsung for TSMC on next year's upcoming Qualcomm super duper phone chip. Qualcomm also wants into 7nm on at least one phone to compete against Apple and Samsung hasn't got anything coming on board soon enough, supposedly. TSMC is already first to market with a pure silicon 7nm chipset, while Samsung/Global/IBM will be swinging only Germanium laced when they arrive slightly later (but taking 20% less power to run the chipset across all the functions). When everybody arrives in full production land and in what order they arrive is up in the air a bit as Apple gets everything off the first TSMC line until they release it (or until TSMC builds a second 7nm silicon only line). Germanium laced has serious power saving advantages, so look to see TSMC go that way just as soon as they can. Mediatek will be selling mid-range Mediatek chipsets to Samsung to put inside Samsung's low to mid-range phones, but will not use Samsung's foundry service because the price is too high. Right now TSMC has a lead cost-wise on 10nm and on 7nm compared to Samsung. So, the upcoming low to mid-range Samsung phones will use a MediTek designed and built SOC that is being produced at TSMC -- all because of cost. Sammy chip production just costs too durn much, sounds kinda like the Intel disease, don't it? Sammy is announcing its excess 10nm capacity as available, but we don't see folks lined up to pay the price to use it. :P ....... look to see Samsung dip some in the phone industry rankings in the upcoming 18 months. ....... look for a "right sizing" layoff at Samsung foundry division simply to get their chip production costs down some. ....... look to see Samsung Foundry Division to regroup internally and pull a big rabbit out of the hat in the middle of next year. This rabbit may well be converting one (1) of Samsung's lines to 7nm and making up a flagship processor for themselves (or enticing Qualcomm to come help pay for it, while giving Qualcomm 1 year's exclusive use of the new node as Qualcomm's flagship processor line). |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/19/16 at 11:40:09 2017 Predictions Whoooohoooo ..... time to put it out there a bit and see if we can predict next year correctly or not. What you see in the current very top of the line phones will become mid-range next year. 25-30% improvements in processor speed WITH NO NOTICEABLE THERMAL THROTTLING will be widespread, along with 40-50% IMPROVEMENT IN GRAPHICS SPEED AND VERY GOOD VR DETAIL RENDERING CHARACTERISTICS. Look to see your VR googles start to become the place where you put your phone when you get home at night, with it running a big screen as a PC at the same time along with being your VR source when you put the googles on. Since movies and other VR content become more common, you will need to have you a system if you want to watch current released VR movies. If you are not a VR head, then a docking station with larger speakers might be where your phone rests during the evening hours allowing you to screen normal movies, run your PC screen, etc. etc. Why? Phones are all quite powerful now and a good one doesn't get hot and slow down any more. Android OS begins to morph into Andromeda, which was built intentionally from the ground up to support this kind of world. Industry will begin to report "computing devices" since phones and PCs are melding together functionally. When this happens, MS will be shown at slightly less than 11% of the total market share initially but will shrink year on year on year as the whole pie expands. Desktop sales will drop to just about zero, but laptops and Chromebooks will continue to sell at slightly less than current levels as the laptop format is good for education and for work uses. People will begin to centralize their phones and PC uses to use the same ecosystems. This is not new, Apple and MS have been doing it to each other for decades now, but there will be a new major player in Google, who will be swinging unified phone and laptop and desktop spaces which will be fully embraced by the opening markets in China, India, etc. And Google Andromeda will likely become the 800 pound gorilla in this new world ..... And when market share is correctly reported (not as it is now, with Mickysoft ignoring what they don't want you to know about) the real structure of the PC market will become clearer and clearer to the purchasing public. The thought of buying a Windows phone will be unthinkable, as there are no apps for it and functionally Win 10 Mobile is still pre-beta software and never will be anything else as Micksoft won't leave it alone for two weeks running. The needs of India and China completely dominate what ARM and the major phone makers spend their time and money on as USA/Europe are seen as saturated markets with no real growth potential. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 10/19/16 at 14:28:42 The usa market won't really become saturated until the processor speeds become stagnant. As usefulness is expanding, so will demand for new phones. I look forward to doing all my analysis in VR. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/19/16 at 17:44:50 I think my next phone will be "called for" by some new technology that I really want to use that hasn't even been cooked up yet. When I buy in, I will get a bit of extra in systems memory, etc to try to make it last longer, but only if it is reasonably priced to do so. Trying to get tech (which reinvents itself completely every 2-3 years lately) to "last longer" gets to be sorta futile after a bit. When a piece of old tech goes and dies on me, then that may also prompt a buy in decision that once again gets rolled as far forward as possible. Example, the big Motorola 6" Nexus phone that was the very first Google Fi phone -- my daughter bought in at this point and is still satisfied with her existing phone, but admits the next one will be required by "something she wants to do" before her existing hardware gets old or dies or becomes too slow to use. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/19/16 at 18:10:54 BTW, the 32 bit to 64 bit conversion of ARM was totally and finally 100% completed this summer, and you didn't even notice it happening .... :D Well done guys !!!! |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/21/16 at 16:08:25 http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1330657 TSMC, GF/Samsung Battle at 7nm SAN JOSE, Calif. — TSMC will go head-to-head with the partnership of IBM, Globalfoundries and Samsung to publicly detail rival 7nm processes at a technical conference in December. The trio’s process will use extreme ultraviolet lithography to achieve impressive gains, but TSMC likely will get to market first due to challenges getting EUV into production. The process will deliver “more than three times the gate density and either a speed gain (35-40%) or power reduction (>65%) versus the companies’ existing commercial 16nm FinFET processes-es,” the abstract said. On Monday when Samsung announced its 10nm process, it said it would skip a version of 7nm using today’s immersion lithography. Instead it said it will roll out 7nm with EUV targeting production before the end of 2018. For its part, TSMC said it will have at least limited production in 2017 for its 7nm process with immersion steppers. The net result is in the course of 18 months chip designers will see at least three variants of 7nm -- separate immersion variants from TSMC and Globalfoundries and the EUV version from GF/Samsung. Intel has yet to detail its 7nm node, but said it expects density to rise and cost per transistor to fall. To speed signaling, the GF/Samsung 7nm process will use “dual-strained channels on a thick strain-relaxed buffer virtual substrate to combine tensile-strained NMOS and compressively strained SiGe PMOS for enhancement of drive current by 11% and 20%, respectively,” its abstract said. Both Global Foundry and Samsung are in limited real production on video memory at 7nm, during a low production high cost EUV based final development phase of the NON-silicon extra low voltage full production lithography (hey, it's something you can do with what you just built in try out mode, in other words). What does it all mean ??? TSMC and Samsung have announced they are finished developing any 5 volt 10nm stuff as Apple is done with it now, with Apple getting ready to swing into 1.7 to 2.2 volt 7nm land for all products to be sold in 2019. Apple's production quantities of 10nm chips are already completely built, with one 7nm line already operational at TSMC making an early 7nm lithography type on just the one line for just one Apple premium phone product which is to be sold early next year. Qualcomm is still at 10nm but is sniffing after 7nm from TSMC just as soon as they convert another line at TSMC. Key stuff is this, reduced general voltage for 2019 means retooling all the bits and pieces of a phone from 5 volts to the new much lower required non-silicon voltages. New lower general voltage, higher efficiency batteries need to be developed too ..... preferably new battery stuff that doesn't spontaneously burst into flames in people's pockets. Qualcomm has to build new radios, Sammy has to build new displays, etc etc etc. :P This new tech divide will separate the have from the have-nots for the next 2 years running -- defining a short term future that does not include Intel at all at this point in time. Intel's main hope out there right now is industrial espionage, or else gracefully becoming mostly irrelevant if they choose to stick with the current "I don't wanna play this game anymore" mindset they are using right now. Or .... they can simply pay the big bucks to license the new tech from whomever winds up with the best process. If Intel rolls with espionage instead of simply paying the big bucks for licensing the tech, then Intel should expect to get their asses handed to them with some heavy duty lawsuits combined with "stop all production" type clauses. It is more likely that Intel goes to 10nm in about a year (starting a year late to everybody else) and just hangs there for a bit as there is no guarantee their massive PC designs will actually do anything better or cheaper at 10nm than at 14nm. (Which for Intel is a very bad thing as Intel 22nm to 14nm was eat up with the exact same problems -- no real speed advancement, no real payback to Intel for paying the billions to make the move). |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by old_rider on 10/22/16 at 05:01:44 Interrupting the thread for some advice.... OF can you recommend a smart phone that is crystal clear in bright sunlight? Or is there even one? all mine are hard to see in bright sun. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/22/16 at 05:40:30 http://www.phonearena.com/news/Best-display-for-outdoor-use-comparison-Samsung-Galaxy-S5-vs-HTC-One-M8-vs-Apple-iPhone-5s-vs-Note-3-vs-the-rest_id55760 Looking at the pictures, I'd say a Samsung Amoled display is your likely best bet -- but I'd check the reviews of the phone you plan to buy before you buy it, or arrange to carry it outside the store to test it before you buy it. Sammy does sell their displays to other players, so check to see what display being used on the phone you think you want. Also note, NONE of them are really very good in the direct sunlight, really. Kindle type black & white book readers do well in the direct sunlight, just saying -- you got one of them already. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/23/16 at 05:07:46 Intel makes the news at Laptop Magazine ..... http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/intel-renames-core-m-core-i We Call Bullchip! Intel Wrong to Rebrand Core M as Core i Does a golf cart get any faster if you call it a car? In the processor world, we're about to find out. This week, Intel announced its new 7th generation, “Kaby Lake” laptop processors, and the low-power, mediocre-performing m5 and m7 series chips are officially gone. Sort of. The 4.5-watt processors that used to be called m5 and m7 chips have been renamed in the new lineup and now carry the Core i5 and i7 brand names. Of the Core m line, only the m3 remains. This name change is bound to befuddle customers, many of whom will think they are getting more powerful chips than they really are. Just read it ..... if you can understand this as a rational move, more power to you. The Walled Garden Boys have decided you don't really need any particular processor when you go to buy something, so they have muddled all of them all up together using the same i5 and i7 designations to cover both the golf carts and the race cars. They think if they call their cheapest lowest power chipsets "i5 or i7" you will leap to buy the products containing them and you will not have any buyer's remorse when it crawls along trying to push Win 10 and all its butt-load of built-in advertising. Hint: look to the wattage listed for the chip, Intel does 15 watt and up for full power chipsets and 4.5 watts for the pedestrian golf carts. And anybody who would call this an i5 or i7 chipset might lie to you about other things as well. http://www.laptopmag.com/images/wp/purch-api/incontent/2016/08/7th_gen-walker-2_nb.jpg And that huge thing the man is holding in his fingers is just a 4.5 watt Core M CPU and an Intel graphics unit mounted on a daughter board, it is not a SOC by any definition used by anybody else ..... It is a daughter board that can also contain things that hardware lock your new purchased computer to only be able to use Win 10, ever. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/23/16 at 05:34:20 And while Intel spends its time inventing new lies to tell the Walled Garden people, AMD is cuddling in close with Global Foundries (their old off-shoot), IBM and Samsung in their big push to go to Germanium laced 7nm, skipping over 10nm silicon completely as a wrong voltage half step. http://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/globalfoundaries-7nm-node The thinking seems to be that GlobalFoundaries sees the expense of researching and tooling up their manufacturing for 10nm not worth it for the limited performance and efficiency improvements the small change in process could offer in the short term. The 7nm process node is likely to be one which hangs around as ensuring stable silicon sub-7nm is going to take a lot of research effort and time. If indeed silicon is what continues to be used. “The industry is converging on 7nm FinFET as the next long-lived node, which represents a unique opportunity for GlobalFoundaries to compete at the leading edge,” said GlobalFoundaries’ CEO Sanjay Jha. “We are well positioned to deliver a differentiated 7nm FinFET technology.” GlobalFoundaries are estimating the 7nm node will be able to deliver more than double the transistor density and a potential 30% performance boost over the current leading edge 16/14nm designs on the market. Unless Intel can get over it's pride filled ways VERY quickly they are looking to get techno-lapped by AMD, which will be completely unbearable in Intel's self-imagined "tech leader of the world" ego picture. http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/AMD-Gray-Hawk-Feature-Watermarked-840x473.jpg AMD is working on a family of APUs code named “Gray Hawk” to debut in 2019 on Globalfoundries’ recently announced 7nm FinFET process. This next generation family of high performance Accelerated Processing Units will feature up to four Zen+ cores and eight threads with a thermal and power footprint as low as 10 watts. Powering the graphics side of these chips will be an integrated “Navi” GPU with substantial performance and power efficiency advancements. The foundation of all of these will be Globalfoundries’ upcoming 7nm. The company is pouring several billion dollars into its Fab 8 in Saratoga, New York to bring the process up to speed. Which is expected to enter risk production within the next couple of years thanks to extensive re-use of existing 14nm FinFET tools and techniques. GLOBALFOUNDRIES CEO Sanjay Jha : “The industry is converging on 7nm FinFET as the next long-lived node, which represents a unique opportunity for GLOBALFOUNDRIES to compete at the leading edge. We are well positioned to deliver a differentiated 7nm FinFET technology by tapping our years of experience manufacturing high-performance chips, the talent and know-how of our former IBM Microelectronics colleagues and the world-class R&D pipeline from our research alliance. No other foundry can match this legacy of manufacturing high-performance chips.” Dr. Lisa Su, president and CEO, AMD : “Leading-edge technologies like GLOBALFOUNDRIES 7nm FinFET are an important part of how we deliver our long-term roadmap of computing and graphics products that are capable of powering the next generation of computing experiences,” said . “We look forward to continuing our close collaboration with GLOBALFOUNDRIES as they extend the solid execution and technology foundation they are building at 14nm to deploy high-performance, low-power 7nm technology in the coming years.” http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Zen-8-840x473.jpg |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/24/16 at 18:43:20 http://www.mobilescout.com/apple/news/n65316/tsmc-arm-working-7nm-process-apple-a12-chipset.html http://i2m.tudocdn.net/img/width660/height440/id160008.jpg Article date 17 March 2016 Apple announces it will jump into A-12 generation "as soon as possible" while reminding us that the A10 and A11 at 10nm are already in production in both phones and tablets Recently, we got to know that TSMC is producing all of the Apple’s A10 chipsets for iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus. It became obvious even before this news that TSMC will be the sole manufacturer of Apples 10 chipsets and Samsung would not get a chunk of it. Now, a new rumor surfaced that says, Samsung is still not residing in the same category and the future A12 chipsets will be produced by TSMC and ARM together. Reportedly, TSMC and ARM are working on 7nm FinFET process in order to produce an Apple A12 chipset for the possible Apple iPhone 8. If the report is to be believed then these chipsets should land by 2018. According to a possible timetable, 7nm FinFET chips will start early production next year. And, it might take some time to fulfill the bulk order placed by Apple. The last chipset A9 was mass produced by TSMC and Samsung for the smartphones iPhone 6s and 6s Plus. Samsung used the 14nm process whereas TSMC used the 16nm process for Apple A9 chipset. Before bombarding the market with 7nm FinFET process, TSMC would first release their 10nm process. It is being said that the first development stage of TSMC’s 10nm will end up in Q1 2016, possibly for Apple’s A10. Also, TSMC is planning to bring 5nm fabrication in 2020. This shows that the size of the process node is important since smaller transistors on a chip make the component more power efficient. So, the roadmap made by TSMC is already clear. In short, Apple is calling TSMC's shots on the speed of this transfer and this is leaving Samsung looking for a customer for their existing 10nm lines and for any new 7nm lines that they may convert some of their 10nm lines over into. 10nm may be a very brief node, in other words ...... except for Intel who is scheduled to go there in 2018-2020 (with no real plans announced to go any further). |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/25/16 at 05:51:12 OK, you have seen the back of everybody's cards for the next one to two years. Intel has folded already, saying they don't really want to play in next year's hand and they'll simply keep what they got and play some renaming games within themself. Intel is seeking new directions as their future business model. Same thing for Microsoft, they are playing team poker with Intel and the Walled Garden Boys so they will strive to lock up whomever they can for customers inside the castle walls as their food source and carry themselves through the siege on stored food and well water until they develop something else to pursue as their future business model. Can you say "cannibalism inside 6 months" three times fast ???? Blood bowl does count as cannibalism, right ?? Apple is moving forward very rapidly, pushing TSMC to make generational progress inside a 1 year time frame. Samsung and the others were comfortably ahead on the 7nm thing, now suddenly Apple and TSMC are right on their butts, making up a second generation of 10nm stuff RIGHT NOW and starting 7nm up RIGHT NOW and have a second generation of lower wattage Germanium laced 7nm planned to start up early next year. Build a new generation line, run it, build another better generational line, run it, and go as fast as you can towards 5nm germanium laced as that is where the real advantages lie. And yes, once you get into EUV and germanium, you can possibly build a 3nm chipset. Samsung, Global and IBM are suddenly playing catch up instead of being comfortably ahead. Intel is suddenly two (2) generations behind the pace and the innovation pace has now accelerated to a full generation PER line and nobody is moving all their lines over per generation any more. Apple has fully embraced an incremental "per line" progress model and is building a new generation of chips over a period of a year then building up the phones and tablets after the production fact so to speak. Multiple generations of Apple products are in production at all times now, and this is the new Apple normal method. Right now Apple has two generations cooking in full production, with a third coming on the first part of next year. Intel could not keep up with a two year TICK TOCK cycle, so this split progress inside a year stuff will drive them completely out of consideration very quickly. AMD can ride this wave as long as they can keep their new designs rolling out of the CAD terminals on a one year or less basis, since they don't have to worry about making the physical chips. Global will do that for them and Global itself may choose to skip generations as well. Or they can use TSMC, as AMD has used both foundries in the recent past. Look to see Samsung use other players chipsets as needed and to begin to phase back on being their own foundry, only investing in leap frog stages where they can get a real "bang for the bucks" return on the very heavy costs of building the new lines. Look to see MediaTek progress forward, as they can now buy "as good as anybody" since Samsung isn't holding the tech progress cards any more. AMD has just shown us all something neat, that you can build full server and desktop chipsets using 7nm ARM based cores, you just have to use more of them. Yes, ARM 7nm cores are really that good now. They are so durn small now that you can put 48 of them on a server chip die and easily fit 8 of them on a small desktop die. At only 10 watts for an 8 core 7nm lithography laptop/desktop processor, you got yourself instant full power laptop/desktop chipsets ..... It is using the exact same tech stuff you are using in your standard phone production. Apple isn't stupid, they realize they don't need Intel any more as Intel brings nothing to the party that the A11 chipset doesn't already have. And that the A12 chipset will further improve upon. While Intel stubbornly stays totally stuck in place at 14nm ...... eh, mebbe dropping down to 10nm next year later on if they can figure out how to get CISC based x86 chipsets to show any sort of improvement by doing so. Intel being completely "technically obsolete" isn't too harsh a term to use at the end of the next two years, and Apple is currently producing RISC based chipsets to use two years out into the future right now. Remember, by the end of the next two years, 5nm will be in full production with 3nm warming up in pre-production. Apple isn't going to have to dump Intel, Intel is going to do it to themselves by not keeping up. And yes, Virginia, there are processes to build even smaller generations of ARM chipsets now that EUV lithography is finally working well .... http://https://regmedia.co.uk/2013/07/25/transistor_pathway_small.jpg |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/25/16 at 08:44:01 https://www.arm.com/files/pdf/20160701_01_ATF_Taiwan_Steve_Steele.pdf ARM has now updated their 2016-2017 road map with full details. They have not released any 2018-2019 road map yet. They are working with the foundries and the chip and phone builders to get several new generational 7nm designs worked out for the various variations of 7nm which are going to be coming out from the different players. As such, by contract ARM releases ZERO information until the phones/tablets get ready to ship. The phone/table manufacturer/seller generally releases the first wave of info, then ARM can come out with the rest of the story the very next day. So far we know that a new big and a new little are coming, with Artemis (A73) and the new little code name Mercury being known at this point in time. Some A73 details were shown when Mediatek shipped the first phones with the first Cortex A-73 big cores in them, but they used the old A-53 little cores at that point in time. None were built using 7nm either. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/25/16 at 10:58:49 https://liliputing.com/2016/10/intel-launches-atom-e3900-internet-things-products.html Intel further solidifies their intention NOT TO PLAY IN CONSUMER PRODUCT SPACE ANYMORE. http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/e3900_01.jpg?w=664&ssl=1 Since the chips are designed for connected devices such as video surveillance systems, in-vehicle computers, and other IoT products. They don’t need to be as energy-efficient as the company’s earlier Atom chips since they aren’t expected to show up in smartphones, so Intel’s E3900 series chips have TDP ratings of 6 watts to 12 watts. But they also include new features for security and connectivity. I’ll probably stop paying attention to developments in this space eventually, since Liliputing generally covers mobile tech aimed at consumers, and it increasingly looks like Intel’s vision for the future of Atom included embedded applications for industrial and commercial use. Eventually we may see the technology in smart cars and other items aimed at consumers, but I don’t own a car, so I have a hard time getting excited about smart automotive systems. That said, it is interesting to see how the chips that powered early netbooks have evolved into an entirely new product category. Intel will offer a few different Atom E3900 models: Atom x5-E3930: 1.3 GHz dual-core CPU w/6.5W TDP, 1.8 GHz burst speeds Atom x5-E3940: 1.6 GHz quad-core CPU w/9.5W TDP, 1.8 GHz burst speeds Atom x7-E3950: 1.6 GHz quad-core CPU w/12W TDP, 2 GHz burst speeds These are the same old Atom processors that were "discontinued" six months ago, simply re-stenciled with a new part number with a backing away from the inflated speed claims falsely made for the chips back then. If the chips are reasonably priced, there are old products that could go back into production using them since they are basically the same old stuff that Intel sold back then. Also note that Brad Linder states he isn't going to be reporting on Intel much any more, as Intel has firmly declared they have left Consumer space for Industrial/Automotive embedded space now. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/25/16 at 11:21:23 http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/30/macos-sierra-code-suggests-apple-could-replace-intel-in-macs-with-custom-arm-chips/ With Intel saying they are going to be dropping out of consumer computing space and that they are not upgrading their processor capabilities in any serious fashion for next year, what follows should not be a surprise to anybody. http://https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSOyndQV-iFzHrMfZdQa3CNtf_tQ_7FIne0SNBOs3faDS4R1KhvMg Could Apple be working on next-generation Mac hardware that would be powered by an in-house designed processor based on CPU blueprints from British fabless semiconductor maker ARM Holdings plc? That’s exactly the conclusion one could reach by looking closely at code strings in the macOS Sierra kernel, discovered by Dutch outlet TechTastic.nl. It’s very peculiar that Apple would add support for ARM technology to MacOS Sierra. As you know, all Macs manufactured since 2005 run Intel chips. The Apple appears to be implementing support for ARM chips in the Mac operating system could mean that first ARM-based Macs might appear this year. As TechTastic.nl states, developers no longer submit fully compiled binaries. Instead, intermediary bit code is submitted which Apple uses to compile the binary code for the specific CPU architecture. Should Apple release an ARM-based Mac, developers wouldn’t need to re-submit their existing code nor would they need to add any ARM-specific code in order for their apps to run natively on ARM-based hardware. “It is probably also one of the reasons why legacy applications have recently been removed from the App Store,” speculates the publication. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? If you submit an app to the Apple Mac store that was written according to current Apple Mac standards -- it will automatically run on an ARM based Apple processor naturally with the app writer not having to do anything to fix it or change the app in any way. Anything that won't meet this current standard has been removed from the Apple Mac store already as a "legacy app". Tie this in with another very low key factoid -- all the current generation of ARM Cortex items have just been added to the Linux Kernel by Linus and his kernel boys -- this work is complete at this point in time (including all the relevant SOC details) for all the common upper level ARM SOCs. This means Linux Distros, Android, Andromeda and all the various sorts of various open source platforms that are code dependent on the Linux Kernel will "just work" on compliant ARM SOCs going forward. The world is unhooking itself from Intel dependency as Intel firmly states that they are leaving the party fairly soon --- headed for other venues that can make Intel relatively more money than consumer computing. Intel leaving the Consumer Computing infrastructure right now won't rock all that many boats outside of mebbe the Walled Garden boys, in all real likelihood. Plans are in place and are being finalized this year for a massive change up "coming soon" to Consumer Computing. What do you think Intel will find when they reach these other shores? I think Intel will find that ARM SOCs will already be there, waiting to greet them ..... Texas Instruments, Broadcom, NVIDIA and several others will certainly be there already. ::) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/25/16 at 20:08:13 http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/04/19/intel-layoffs-12000-11/83242832/ SAN FRANCISCO — Intel will lay off 11% of its global workforce, up to 12,000 employees, a painful downsizing aimed at accelerating its shift away from the waning PC market to one more focused on cloud computing and connected devices. In an email to employees, CEO Brian Krzanich said that after the restructuring, "I am confident that we’ll emerge as a more productive company with broader reach and sharper execution." Intel CFO Stacy Smith said that half the workforce reduction, 6,000 people, will be accomplished by the end of this year. The Santa Clara, Calif.-based Intel currently has about 112,400 employees worldwide. Because the shift is going to be “very, very difficult for the employee base,” Smith, in an interview with USA TODAY, declined to say where the majority of the layoffs would occur. The layoffs will have an outsized effect on Oregon and especially the Portland area. Intel is Oregon's largest private employer, with 18,500 working at six campuses west of Portland, according to the company. The sites are one of the main anchors of the state’s economy. Its second largest site is in Chandler, Arizona, where it has mQualcomm picks up a smaller but fairly modern foundry in the dealore than 11,000 employees. Intel said it expects the layoffs to deliver $750 million in savings in 2016 year and an annual run rate savings of $1.4 billion by mid-2017. The company will record a one-time charge of approximately $1.2 billion in the second quarter, it said. Some minor upgrading to this story -- the layoff percentage will be higher than originally announced as efforts to go to 10nm were again delayed and the loudly announced potential ARM processor build customers (LG) will likely have to seek other foundry sources accordingly. Next, the even more deadly delay in the Intel 7nm changeover may cost Intel their ongoing Apple business and any remnants of the LG business that was announced earlier this year. Apple has laid in other plans, which are becoming clearer as the extra months of delay drag on by. Intel does have sources of revenue outside of consumer computing, and Intel is relying on those sources to carry the company forward at this point in time as a much smaller, much more tightly focused company. Wall Street believes that Intel is doing the right things by the big layoffs and the other big downsizing charge-off moves and when the Intel right sizing program is completed Intel may indeed be competitive in their chosen new markets. I question this optimism as Intel is now going to be trying to unseat existing established ARM based competitors that are going to be getting 30% speed bumps and 50% energy savings out of 10nm to 7nm ARM processors compared to the "same old same old Intel CISC based processors Intel will be building on older lithography levels ---- and the harsh fact that to date Intel has NEVER EVER successfully and cost effectively built a single real ARM SOC yet, not for themselves nor for Rockchip nor for Altera nor for LG. Not one. Period. Three months ago Intel announced a string of stuff that simply hasn't happened yet. This reminds me of the endless brown vapor string of Rockchip designed ARM based SoFIA processors that simply never came to being because they were NEVER going to be competitive and everybody knew that. That 3 year long string of new SoFIA's was just a string of brown vapor poots to keep stockholders happy and stock prices up. In the listing itself, I list in blue any old existing CISC items that have been run for years and years on 22nm Intel and that are not current wins by anyone's calculations. I also list in blue Altera, which is fully owned by Intel and as such is not any different from Intel's other internal CISC offerings. I list in red the ARM based things that simply aren't real yet, and with Intel now having to delay their new 10nm ARM processes for another part of a year that may well never become real as these external customers are now having to seek other fully operational 10nm foundries so they can have something real to sell this upcoming spring and summer. They need to sell something to survive -- sometimes Wintel doesn't get that it seems. Remember, please, that Samsung has a proven 10nm track record (Apple and Qualcomm for two years now) and Samsung is advertising excess capacity at 10nm. TSMC also has long experience and some open lines since Apple is done with 10nm and both these guys have open 10nm lines sitting idle right now. Both are EXPERIENCED and FULLY FUNCTIONAL at 10nm and at least one of the two is a lot cheaper than any potential "experimental" Intel production could possibly be. LG is not a big volume chip user and LG could squeeze into one of these guy's 10nm production schedule very easily rather than take more Intel "flop" risk and more delays. LG Electronics will produce a world-class mobile platform based on Intel Custom Foundry’s 10nm design platform. We’re pleased to welcome them as a customer. (not real yet due to Intel delays) Spreadtrum is designing on Intel’s 14 nm foundry platform. (nearly 2 years old and not real yet) Achronix Semiconductor is in production on its Intel 22 nm Speedster 22i HD1000 networking silicon. (old existing CISC business) Netronome is in production on its Intel 22 nm networking silicon – NFP-6480. (old existing CISC business)go Altera is using our foundry platform to build the first true 14 nm FPGA, which offers unprecedented advances in PPA. (is Intel owed, is an old existing CISC business that Intel bought) ====================================== Rumors are that 10nm Intel is eat up with teething problems, and currently offers no real advantages to Intel's 3rd generation 14nm process --- which is why Intel isn't using their new 10nm process on their own chipsets. Also note that the 12,000 people downsizing plan and the exit from Consumer Computing was announced AFTER these breakthrough partnership deals. I suspect some of these brown vapor things hit the can right along with the people working on them ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/27/16 at 11:24:32 https://liliputing.com/2016/10/qualcomm-acquire-nxp-47-billion.html Do you remember Freescale? Used to foundry a lot of chips, Freescale did. Was a very early IoT supplier, made chipsets for hobby boards and routers and VCRs and stuff like that? Started to actually build significant Quad Core big little chipsets and then Freescale got snapped up by NXP, who was very strong in automotive dash systems, radar and the like -- the combination making up a leading player in automotive who was duking things out with Nvidia all the time with NXP losing in some of the recent contests? Well, guess who just snapped up NXP for just a little less than twice what NXP had to pay for Freescale? Yep, Qualcomm. http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/qualcomm-nxp.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 What you see is Qualcomm, looking into the phone future and seeing a second and a third 800 pound phone gorilla coming up out of the gorilla pack -- two of them having big advantages over Qualcomm since they control their OS systems and Qualcomm does not. Qualcomm also sees the phone pie's growth leveling off worldwide now, and going negative in Europe and the USA as last year's phone is fine, thank you very much. So, Qualcomm is not stupid, nor prideful, nor are they slow mentally. MediaTek is squeezing them strongly from below. MediaTek has up and coming chipsets that are actually getting up into the premium zone now. MediaTek and Samsung have new arrangements for Samsung to stop building mid-range and lower products and just use MediaTek chipsets. Samsung is Qualcomm's current foundry supplier, and Samsung understands Snapdragon all the way down to the silicon etching needed to make it work. Sammy needs a big rabbit out of the hat for next summer, and they have lines to convert to 7nm, etc. etc. Sammy is busy doing things that will push Qualcomm from the side some more in the phone arena next year. Apple is showing signs of a renovation in phones and laptops as a result of Intel's dialing down. Apple has clearly moved out in front of the pack again, by at least 1 full lithography and design generation, shortly to be 1.5 generations. Apple has lots of cash to fuel their renovation plans and they can disrupt the order of things by simply moving suppliers around, something they like to do just about yearly. \ Apple just made the vendor moves that turned Sammy into a lean, mean junkyard dog just in time for next year's slug fest. Google has stopped being Switzerland and has become a competitor at the very top end of things. This is good, as long as they buy Qualcomm chipsets. But Google has a habit of buying the very best price/feature mix for each level of phone that they make, and they always make two levels of phones now. Seeing MediaTek show up as the lower part of some of these phone pair ups wouldn't shock me for too much. MediTek is already working with Google on Chromebooks, so the communications channels and active cooperation between the two already exist. Remember, Google has and will use a Samsung chipset if it it a clear winner, and Samsung has access to 7nm Germanium laced tech through the IBM/Global/Samsung tech consortium. And Sammy has both the motivation and the time right now to go work on it, hard. So, what does it all mean ???? The pie is shrinking and the hungry dogs are getting ready to spill each others blood to get some more of that shrinking pie. So, proactively, Qualcomm has just laid them out a non-phone growth strategy that they are going to pursue while they are still strong enough to TAKE some turf away from the existing players who are already sitting in those new markets. Qualcomm is now starting to move over into new growing markets, car dash systems, self driving systems, vision systems, etc. etc. NXP is their fire sale bought crowbar to use to get these doors pried partially open, as NXP has an approved PPAP'd supplier base and NXP is currently a qualified supplier to most of the brands of futuristic type car systems. Qualcomm owns the patents for most of the communications, radios, etc. that are used in these futuristic items, so that is also a big advantage for NXP now as Qualcomm doesn't have to pay itself the royalty tax that all the rest of the players do have to pay. Please note, Qualcomm picks up a smaller but fairly modern foundry in the deal, something they may have a use for as it is already up and running making modern automotive chipsets and is all used to all the automotive quality requirements. It can certainly make IoT chipsets as it also does that already. Since Qualcomm isn't really leaving anything yet, this is really just diversification, which is kinda expensive, but a good thing to do if you are able to move over into a growing market situation and grow right along with it. IoT is growing, rapidly, and so is Automotive. These are good moves for Qualcomm, and very bad news for poor old Intel, who just made the same moves as a forced putt because Qualcomm and everybody else was taking turns kicking their butt over in Consumer Computing. ::) Well Intel, guess who just moved over into the new school where you had just moved to, just to get away from them bad bad boys ??? Poor baby, look to see your head go back into the toilet for a brand new swirly hairdo very shortly ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/29/16 at 04:25:52 http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/28/13452084/microsoft-apple-new-pc-surface-macbook-prices-expensive-exclusive We have just seen Microsoft and Apple roll out their new stuff, and it is impressive, price-wise, but contains no real progressive items to justify that much of a larger price. Sales volumes in PC land are simply falling past the point they will REQUIRE larger per item prices just to break even. The future of PCs and Macs is expensive The personal desktop computer used to once be an exclusive and expensive machine, though we now know it and its laptop counterpart as a mass-market commodity that most people can afford. This week, however, the companies that defined the personal computer, Microsoft and Apple, gave us a glimpse of the future and it looks like a return to the past: the PC is going back to being an exclusive and expensive machine. Here’s my interpretation of this phenomenon: Apple and Microsoft have both come to terms with the fact that people are simply never going to buy PCs — whether in desktop or laptop form, running Windows or macOS — in the old numbers that they used to. Computers are just too good nowadays, most users are already satisfied, and so the market for new PCs inevitably shrinks. And when you can’t have growth in total sales, the logical move is to try and improve the other multiplier in the profit calculation: the per-unit price and built-in profit margin. That's been Apple's approach for a while, and now Microsoft is joining in. Instead of thinking of such preposterous concepts as a post-PC world — which will only be precipitated by some apocalyptic event that wipes out all human progress and technology — we simply have to make ourselves comfortable with the notion that larger computers are returning to being a niche category. There's a compelling argument to be made that the average person's home computing needs are currently well met by their phone or tablet. ;) Mobile truly has eaten away at everything PC, and the "consumption capabilities" of a current top of the line large screen mobile phone or tablet really do exceed those of a low end laptop from only 3-4 years ago. Old PCs and laptops are actually still good enough functionally and they all can swing the current OS versions just fine, so why go buy a new one? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/01/16 at 15:43:20 Intel is now pushing rumors that they will go into 10nm production on ARM chipsets "soon" for Apple of all people. This rumor has a flaw, that flaw is that here in the USA Intel can make a 10nm SOC better (and cheaper) than TSMC can make the same 10nm SOC in Taiwan. TSMC just took all this business away from Samsung by being better, quicker and cheaper than the South Korean based Samsung. TSMC holds all the contracts through 2018. Harsh fact, Intel does not have a working 10nm process at all yet, second harsh fact is that Intel has never successfully made a FUNCTIONAL (much less price competitive) SOC at all, ever, end of story. Microsoft and Apple are now getting slammed for coming up with a crop of VERY EXPENSIVE new products that have no real innovation showing anywhere, while Chromebooks quietly upgrade to take over the mid range Laptop/PC price points while the old school boys are spending all their attention and time throwing gold plated rocks at each other up in the Ultra Upper End Price Range. The mid-range Chromebook flood waters are being lead by MediaTek based A-72/A-53 big little SOC's, with a brand new crop of 10nm A-73 SOCs being promised for next year at a 30% increase in performance and 40% increase in battery life. That is a BIG BIG goody boost, you know. Intel has nothing coming to counter these new 10nm MediaTek specialty built Chromebook processors, nothing at all -- except a few brown vapor poots about things that will likely never happen. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/01/16 at 16:13:00 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jidetech/remix-io-a-4k-nougat-powered-all-in-one-device Jide is back on Kickstarter -- $129 for a Rockchip Hexacore RK 3399 A-72/A-53 SIX CORE processor unit that is a fully functional Android TV streamer, Android Gaming Station and a fully functional Android PC using fully Windowing Android that works on either your TV or your computer monitor. http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/remix-io-plus_01-e1478022917103.jpg?w=630&ssl=1 The Remix IO+ is expected to ship in May, 2017 and you can reserve one for a pledge of $129 or more at the same Kickstarter campaign. Existing backers can also add $30 to their original pledge to opt for the improved Remix IO+ instead of the original model… but there is one advantage to getting the less powerful version: it’s expected to ship two months earlier. Both boxes are said to support 4K video at 60 frames per second, and both feature HDMI and VGA ports, headset jacks, and microSD card slots. But the Remix IO+ has a Rockchip RK3399 hexa-core processor with two ARM Cortex-A72 CPU cores and four ARM Cortex-A53 cores, Mali-T864 graphics, 4GB of RAM, and 32GB of storage. It also has two USB 3.0 ports, two USB 2.0 ports and runs an upcoming version of Remix OS which is based on Android 7.x Nougat and which features a TV mode with a user interface designed to be easy to navigate with a remote control. Redefining All-in-one. Remix IO is a beautifully designed Android device for your home, office, or school. Engineered to be a 4K set-top box, gaming console, and PC in a single inexpensive device, Remix IO is powered by the latest Remix OS (based on Android Nougat), bringing you unprecedented possibilities in an affordable, easy to setup, and simple to use device. :) And yes, I'd buy one for $129 if my old Dell refurb unit died on me, rather than put up with MickySoft messing with me all the time ...... This new unit is the Google offshoot led attack on the desktop PC, the Gaming Boxes and on the TV Streaming Boxes, all at the same time. The one that comes after this one may well ring a whole lot of bells out there in Consumer Consumption land ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/01/16 at 16:41:10 Well, I got some feedback on another thread that my constant upgrades to the information here is interfering with the "Top 10" and "Most Recent" viewing styles ..... sorry about that. Will fix ASAP. Won't say stuff nearly as often, and if I can modify an old post with the new information I will do so (refreshing old posts doesn't hit "Top 10" or "Most Recent") In truth, I think Intel and MS are passively giving over the Consumer turf to Android pretty much of their own free will now anyway, so I think this particular "contest" is pretty much over at this point in time. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/03/16 at 20:52:58 Combined Entry, stating a weeks worth of stuff. Intel .... announces a fourth generation of 14nm "i5 and i7 refinement" and then announces the 4th gen "refined implementation" may be delayed until the middle of 2017. Floats more 2018 brown vapor rumors about 10nm Apple chips which is possibly going to be cherry picked (sorted) Intel proof of concept production which will be used only for the relatively very few laptop chipsets that Intel will make next year for Apple (under existing contracts). All brown stinky vapor, nothing real anywhere soon. "Apple sorted sustandard daughter boards" will apparently get a new reduced spec part number and will wind up being sold anyway to other laptop builders later on. Samsung and Qualcomm .... within a day Samsung and Qualcomm both announce that Sammy is in full finished SOC production on 10nm and a day later Qualcomm is holding up a 10nm chipset (completed SOC) at a press conference. Sammy also announces that limited production on 7nm is to begin in Q2 2017. http://fudzilla.com/media/k2/items/cache/8ac720f97ea132df9e2d773db10e37e0_L.jpg .... We get twice as many finished SOCs per wafer -- we love it !!! Intel, this is what a modern SOC looks like !!! See ya soon, buddy ..... This is purportedly a Qualcomm 830 chipset, and it is about half sized TINY compared to the previous generation of Qualcomm flagship SOCs. There is a significant cost savings seen here based on getting over twice as many chips off a standard sized wafer. Mediatek Apple and TSMC .... each announces a 10nm variant "in production" at TSMC and both say they will have 7nm shipping in bulk from TSMC by the end of 2017. Global Foundry .... announces that they are skipping over 10nm completely and are going directly to a 7nm Germanium laced process which will start shipping next year. AMD announces a new generation of ZEN chipsets based on this tech. AMD looks to leapfrog over Intel completely by doing so ..... Summary Intel is now one (1) full generation behind and soon will be two generations behind as all the mobile players are busting a gut to move over to half voltage 7nm production ASAP because the finished phones will cost a lot less once the supply base has changed over to the new reduced voltage requirements. Please remember, the 7nm production wafers will hold 3x more chips than they do right now. AMD looks to leapfrog Intel in the same time frame, hinting at early talks aimed at supplying Apple with 7nm Germanium laced x386 laptop and desktop chipsets for year 2019-2020. You've got to realize that with laptop/desktop new sales volume shrinking like it is that AMD can easily make plenty of 7nm production off of Global Foundry 7nm Germanium Laced lines to supply this reduced x86 desktop/laptop volume. So even if Intel does turn away totally like they say they are doing to do then there would only be a minimal effect on Consumer Computing as AMD and the OTHER ARM FOUNDRY SUPPLIERS can easily fill those ex-Intel orders. ======================================= Super Memory is in real production now, too Both Samsung and Intel are now shipping their versions of super memory, but it is still VERY expensive new stuff and is landing mostly in Server Space right now. ======================================= The Phone Era is winding down and all the various players are now trying to diversify into IoT and Auto and other brand new rapidly growing venues. Now let's go look at the state of the PC era wind down .... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/06/16 at 02:52:27 http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/04/intel-split-two-krzanich-smith-cramer/ Intel Corporation May Split In Two – One Part Led by Krzanich, The Other Part By Smith Wall Street is signalling approval of this proposed theoretical move, since it allows all the very high asset costs of the out of date 22nm and 14nm plants/lines to be counted in the bad half, while allowing all the good stuff to be concentrated in the IoT Automotive half. Investers are going to buy the good half and dump the bad half just as soon as the split is made. The new product design half of Intel needs to dump all of its "legacy drag" if it ever expects to move fast enough to keep up with the general flow of IoT things now-a-days. This is a brutal move, which will lose far more people than the 13% of personnel planned to be laid off as of last month. The Intel foundry side would see a need for a drastic foundry floor space reduction needed within the split up year or very shortly thereafter. Think back, AMD had to do this exact same thing about 5-8 years ago. Watch it below, he maybe has a point because Intel stock just rallied sharply for NO REASON apart for this thought. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/20/cramer-intel-could-split-in-two.html :-? The Intel half of Wintel has cancer in one leg and the Wall Street doctors plan to amputate the bad leg to save its life. ======================================= Stock boffins who are heavily invested in Intel respond why they think Intel should remain whole at this time (and keep these same boffins from losing money while they dump off all their Intel stock ASAP) http://www.fool.com/investing/2016/06/26/why-intel-corporation-shouldnt-split-itself-in-two.aspx ::) ======================================= Speaking of Wintel, what's with MicroChoke? http://www7.pcmag.com/media/images/480105-microsoft-way.jpg?thumb=y&width=740&height=426 Microsoft plans to lay off another 2,850 employees. The job cuts were disclosed in a Thursday filing with the US Securities and Exchange Commission. "We periodically evaluate how to best deploy the company's resources," the SEC document said. Some laid off folks at MS are saying there is a very low key "major realignment" going on, with Management intentionally chopping off fringe parts of the company associated with PC based software development. Some of these were old acquisitions that are being announced as being donated to FOSS. The Win 10 constant churn will slow down some more and perhaps stabilize a bit due to a lack of people, mainly. All of the Win 10 phone based and various sales based layoffs are all over at this point in time, so these new cuts affect more of the core business now. Look to see any currently broken Win 10 features eventually replaced, but never fixed in the interim. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/06/16 at 06:39:06 This is a precursor to what you will see from now on out as Walled Garden manufacturers are getting their chipsets abruptly discontinued by Intel just as soon as the Intel warehouses empty out ..... https://liliputing.com/2016/11/dells-cancelled-windows-phone-intel-chip-revealed-leaks.html "So here’s what seems to have happened: Dell was working on a phone with an x86 chip from Intel. It would have supported Continuum software… and not necessarily the stripped down Continuum for phone version that runs on today’s handsets. Instead, you may have been able to use it more like a Windows tablet. When holding the phone in your hands you get a touch-friendly user interface with full screen apps and a full-screen Start Screen. Connect a laptop dock or desktop dock and you get a Start Menu, taskbar, desktop, and support for running just about any Windows app in a windowed mode. And then Intel suddenly announced it was discontinuing that chip family." >:( ..... with this going on, you'd be a fool to be planning a new Win 10 mobile anything ..... ====================================== Articles are being written now on the "downside" end games of the PC era. Nobody predicts the PC/laptop is going away, it is still too useful. However, look to see new unit prices go up DRAMATICALLY since MS and Intel are driving that action every way they can. If Intel and Microsoft are gonna stay, they are going to go back to making the big bucks .... if not they turn somewhere else. Consumer use of Linux has jumped over a precent and a half this past quarter, as people are seeking a way to keep on being functional as Mickysoft fumbles around with their "approved" driver issues and various other "intentional machine killers". Linux Mint and Ubuntu are always mentioned, with Linux Mint Mate being deemed the closest to Win7/XP of any Linux Distro out there right now. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/16/16 at 11:35:59 https://liliputing.com/2016/11/microsoft-joins-linux-foundation-no-really.html Microsoft responds to people jumping ship on Win 10 by loading a Linux variant then deciding they like it and giving it the entire drive. So, Microsoft has joined the Linux Foundation as a full Platinum board level member to see what can be done about this. You see, folks really dislike Win 10 and all the ad slow down effects (and the snooping, let's not forget about the nightly snooping and all the continuously breaking drivers and stuff). More and more, folks are realizing they LIKE both Linux Mint and Ubuntu more than they like Mickysoft's latest OS version. http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/linux-foundation-members.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 Me, I distrust Mickysoft and having them join the Linux Foundation as a Platinum member simply says they are now in a position to do more active conniving and greater damage to their up and coming competitors all the while pushing off more old MS purchased softwares that they no longer wish to spend MS money to support ongoing (but have a legal responsibility to do so). ;) " ..... Hey, your old software is now FOSS software, go see them about your problems ....." Google shifts into low gear and moves slowly and carefully and inexorably towards Andromeda, their new conjoined full function OS. Google does not wish to be seen as pushing MS out of the OS arena, they prefer for folks to see MS as "turning away" just like Intel is currently doing. Yes, Google and FOSS both prefer the marketplace to see MS as quitting or "abandoning ship" so to speak. And Intel and MS are now putting out one minute long prime time TV ads saying your old PC is really too slow to use Win 10 and that you need to update your hardware to 'the latest and fastest Intel processors' (which BTW aren't any faster, and in some cases are actually slower than what you have right now). They think you aren't informed enough or smart enough to figure this out on your own. (Beware all this "hardware based acceleration" stuff that is installed on newer motherboards, they act to LOCK YOU INTO MICKYSOFT completely as they will never boot a Linux at all ..... ) And please remember, if you want a real speed boost that is not based on hardware trickery, simply load up Linux Mint on your old machine and use that for a few years until MS and Intel finish doing whatever it is they are currently planning on doing to "exit gracefully". |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/21/16 at 08:23:52 OK, 10nm is now shipping from Apple, Qualcomm, Samsung and Mediatek. You can buy it today as a premium grade cell phone product. You can buy it as systems memory and SSD memory. Apple is passing out their "limited" preliminary Beta Test iPhones at 7nm half voltage right now, as we speak. Apple is smart about large drastic changes, they hard test them for a YEAR before letting main production begin. It willl take most of that year to build enough 7nm chipsets for a big Apple roll out anyway .... Intel has now completely EXITED the phone world, and has started chopping off the lower end pieces of their tablet and PC stuff as well. INTEL IS TWO (2) FULL LITHOGRAPHY GENERATIONS BEHIND NOW ..... Intel layoffs and line idles continue ..... Intel hopes to displace the current players in their new operating areas, but with Qualcomm moving into the same areas Intel will soon get another trip to the toilet bowl for yet another swirly hair do. Intel has now "floated" some plans to cut itself in half to allow all the legacy computing plants to go into the bad half and keep whatever is good in the good half ...... Mickysoft has just joined the Linux world now officially, and MS is dropping support for a lot of their older purchased software by force donating them to FOSS, who generally doesn't want them leaving them sitting untouched and unsupported as what they already have in FOSS land is just fine, thank you .... :P This "donation" is simply a MS cost avoidance dodge, to avoid the costs of long term upkeep during the remainder of the existing legal license periods. MS has also just starting to use large chunks of Linux code as it is better than the Mickysoft stuff they just developed on their own. When they do this, the MS softwares that are affected become FOSS softwares automatically. ======================================= Ooooooo .... MS catches it up the shorts from Infoworld http://www.infoworld.com/article/3050845/microsoft-windows/microsoft-embraces-linux-way-too-late.html Microsoft has a long and storied history of getting to the party late, all the way from the apocryphal “640K ought to be enough for anybody” statement to completely ignoring the Internet to realizing the virtualization thing might be a big deal. Microsoft is not really an innovator. :P In this case, Microsoft is very, very late to the game and isn't offering a competing product -- it's trying to accommodate (incorporate) the competition in an effort to save itself. We haven't seen that before, and it will be interesting to note how it all plays out. http://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-photo-ancient-temple-wall-falling-down-and-missing-bricks-in-the-ruins-of-sukhothai-historical-park-in-82620715.jpg ..... if you believe Infoworld, MS is getting a bit shaky around the edges ..... all the vapor "promised soon" stuff evaporating on them is leaving gaping holes in the Walled Garden walls ..... Meanwhile, back on the farm .... ;) https://liliputing.com/2016/11/android-apps-arrive-on-5-more-chromebooks-from-asus-dell-hp-and-samsung.html |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 11/21/16 at 10:09:33 OF, don't worry about "feedback" , I don't understand 90 plus per cent of what you talk about but you saved me from voluntary and sneaky compulsory upgrades to Win 10. You got me Ad Block Plus, which has wiped out all unsolicited and unsought advertising. Yes I've got Chrome, but I don't use it, it's there if needed in the future. One of these days I might get a computer savvy person to install the Linux thingy. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/21/16 at 10:43:02 JC, just by reading along you actually know more than 50% of the folks out there. Seriously, my wife is a typical user and she curses MS weekly for whatever the heck they just did. She knows when she is getting Micky Frick'd, she does. She looks longingly at my Linux screen while she complains about being all locked up yet again and I catch her checking periodically to see if she really can really open and save her work using my "Alternative Softwares". That's her reality test, can she really use it while her machine is "loading upgrades" ..... ========================================= And all I am really doing lately is tagging the new stuff to old posts, which keeps the TOP 10 and the MOST RECENT viewing folks happy. It is a small thing to do for them, and I can certainly do that to keep their lives happy. ========================================= Mickysoft announces a plan to be able to run on anybody's ARM based chipset by the end of 2017. Part of this is Intel leaving, part of this is AMD's new stuff is going to be based partially on ARM technology, part of this is that SO DURN MANY POWERFUL NEW ARM SOCS ARE GOING INTO FULL PRODUCTION AT COSTS FAR BELOW ANY "x86" ANYTHING, part of this is that the Linux Kernel will already run natively on all of the above as they are all currently built into the Linux kernel itself ..... NEW INFO MS's plan right now is to run an "x86 emulator level" so what they are planning right now will be slow as dog poop -- once again completely non-competitive to the actual Linux/Android natural product marketplace. But yes, it would theoretically run on ARM processors ...... :-? :P ..... swiping code from the Android x86 project, huh ???? So, you can begin to see why MS is becoming "Linux based" all of a sudden. Also note, when the 7nm half voltage change rolls through, the x86 world will lose a large part of its supplier base to some degree. Remember, Intel processors do not run at 2.2 volts ..... ========================================= Speaking of Intel and new layoffs, this is brand new "news" from just this week. https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/18/intel-layoffs/ http://https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/screen-shot-2015-05-19-at-5-29-49-am.png?w=1024&h=576 All of these old tech items represent pending Intel processor based IoT items, all of them representing companies that were all purchased just this past year by Intel intending for them to be the core of their new direction into new IoT realms. Each of these things have come up a loser against the pre-existing competitive IoT products such as Fit Bit and the other better working, less expensive ARM based products. Intel's dreams of the future (the "good" new products design part of the company) is taking the current crop of layoff hits .... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/23/16 at 19:53:42 https://chromeunboxed.com/googles-andromeda-why-we-believe-it-is-already-here/ http://https://chromeunboxed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/AndromedaAlreadyHere-1024x512.png Google has just put out 5 new Android wielding Chromebooks from a bunch of different vendors just in time for Christmas. They include elements of material design and do some phone type notification and update things Chrome has never done before. And they all run Android Apps in a native fashion. The code mass used by all of these disparate boxes is pretty much the same thing, and has run under several code names during the stages of development. Google has not "final named" this code mass yet, and some are thinking you may be looking at the pre-release beta test of an Andromeda roll out. Google likes to test in house for at least six months, then they like to do a limited release test while they debug, tune and work out the update system's quirks with a small set of business partners. One box from each of the various main Chromebook vendors, using the same "unified" code mass .... sounds sorta organized, doesn't it ??? The people who wrote this article are saying the COMPLETE LACK of information right speaks loudly that Google is the process of pilot or Beta testing something that will eventually bear a new name. And since it is going to have to work well on everybody's stuff, everybody is providing a test bed and are getting their needs and wishes all built into the system as it comes together. And by just calling it Chrome OS .... the unannounced unfinished portions are just that, unfinished. A work in progress that can be covered by fully automatic weekly released updates a la Chrome OS. And by not having created huge hype or excess expectations, user disappointment does not enter into the equation because of a fumble or a delay. AND as long as it meets all the old Chrome OS expectations AND DOES MORE this will be seen as constant improvements rolling out as a series of pleasant surprises. ===================================== Google is starting to roll support for the new stuff back through the current crop of Chromebooks, going back several years until the hardware isn't good enough to support the new code mass. One by one they are all going Android capable ..... When this is done, then the Dev Channel will no longer be required and the change will go into the Stable Channel, and likely grow a name at that point in time as a done deal. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/29/16 at 08:43:53 Hewlett Packard Computing has assembled the first test sample of a multi-terabyte new memory based server for testing purposes. This one uses an Intel server processor for all computational tasks, a GPU from Nvidia and its only claim to fame is that it uses a LARGE pool of new style 3-D memory (as fast as systems memory ever was) to hold the OS, the task at hand and all the data associated with the task. It all fits into the multi-terabyte chunk of "3-D memory" that the system is built to use in a parallel fashion. HP reports the system is 2 TO 8 THOUSAND TIMES FASTER in normal complex calculation runs as it make ZERO calls to a hard drive to spool up and read the little magnetic dots and dashes stored on the spinning platters. ALL THE DATA is all instantly available at the new faster "systems memory" type speeds the new memory uses for everything. This new style of memory will change computing in fashions we can't really geek right now -- processor speed will become relatively non-important compared to the throughput speed increase which can be had by going with the new memory based systems. This change will hit around the same time as the 7nm full across the board production wave, in year 2018-19. 2 volt based systems, powerful "many core" half sized CPU chipsets running newly designed OS systems designed to fully use the new memory type to best advantage. ::) ..... hey, phones are already getting so thin they aren't strong enough to keep from bending. First tastes of the new memory will show up from Samsung and Qualcomm as both have their versions of the stuff in motion as we speak. ====================================== BTW info .... so far everything discussed for a 10nm roll out is a hexacore, or an octacore or a decacore big-little arrangement. The sole dual core hold outs are Apple and (perhaps if they can pull it out of their butt in time) Intel. Apple feels their customers are not competing for pure speed and getting somewhat relatively poorer battery life is something that the Apple phone folks are quite used to by now. Apple will go to 7nm in 2018-19 anyway, so 10nm roll out thoughts don't apply in Apple's longer term plans anyway. Intel is still pooting little brown vapor puffs about making Apple's SOCs for them in year 2019, so the dual core is being vapor puff planned from Intel as well. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/30/16 at 18:00:45 Samsung has been bit by the Intel Disease. Major Samsung stock holders are liking the Intel kinda-sorta plan to break themselves into two or more pieces that can report their profits and losses without all sorts of fuzzy entanglements. Like Intel, Samsung has that issue too, and their major stockholders are now requesting some sort of reorganization for next year. The Lee Family (historical owners of Samsung) are also thinking that having the grandsons each one running their own chunk of the company might make for a calmer family relationship since they would not be competing against each other all the time for " total rulership". ====================================== I have mentioned the 2 volt syndrome as an upcoming dividing line between old and new. This divide has happened before -- 12 volt ruled in chipland until 28nm took over, then it dropped to 7.7 and at 20nm it was 5 volts (and this is where we are right now). 10nm will drop to 1.5 to 2 volts (5.0 volt exceptions still needed for the older tower connection radios, actually, which are due to upgrade this year to a lower voltage) I went shopping for a cheap 12.5 volt power supply to make a wired in motorcycle maintenance charger system. I don't like "battery maintainers" because they leave the battery so weak it can't crank the bike --- what I do like is a wall socket type timer that controls a full voltage low amperage charger but I set up to only juice the battery for 15 minutes a day which keeps the cells full at full potential, but doesn't boil off the electrolyte in a glass mat battery. This form of maintainer keeps the battery fully "ready to take a charge" responsive and at a full charge level, ready to crank and go. Now, since the normal voltage in electronics land is 5 volts now, go try to find you a cheap 12.5 volt 1-2 amp power plug any more ..... hint, they are rare and getting sorta expensive. NOTE: Watch out for 12 volt LED light strips type power supplies, they are only 11.8 volts output when read on your volt/ohm meter and they would quickly kill a motorcycle battery if left hooked up to it for very long. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/02/16 at 10:34:08 TSMC announces conversion of a third of their 16nm FinFET lines (of which they have more than a few) directly over to their new 12nm Germanium laced process, which is running similar pass counts and numbers of masks needed. This means a slight modification of existing production lines is all that is needed to make this changeover. , ::) (ie, there will be very similar production costs to the old 16nm products) This TSMC 12nm change offers a 25%-30% rough chipset performance uptick, so expect to see TSMC 12nm very quickly become "the new industry minimum standard". Expect to see all the old 28nm stuff begin to roll over to the "new industry standard" -- mind you, this is a new industry standard that laps Intel completely on all performance based metrics. Not that Intel has been focused on performance for very much lately, as they also just got main processor price/performance lapped by the AMD Zen 6 and 12 and 18 core chipsets that were just released this week - Zen chipsets are touted as giving the same performance as the Intel"s old product equivalents at half the price ..... Intel HAS GOT to do something better than 14nm, fast. Some minor "incremental improvements" on 14nm really isn't going to cut the cheese in year 2017 (much less in year 2018 & 2019). :P Apple is rumored to have just slapped Intel across the chops by opening the quotes up for 2018-2019 laptop chipsets to also include TSMC, Samsung and AMD. Apple says "If you want to build this chip for us to be shipped in mid 2018 please provide a 50 piece sample run of this design by xx/xx/2017". :o Using Apple's design ..... :o .... Intel, dust your arse off and cut you a really sweet deal with Apple, or lose it all to TSMC .... ======================================== Microsoft and Intel are now putting out a brand new fresh crop of anti-Chrome articles and ads again for Christmas. Wintel is also trying to get dumb looking Olympic swimming jocks to get you to upgrade your old laptop to a new Intel processor (and lock yourself totally into Win 10, btw). Go Sheldon, go .... Wintel does this to try to keep Chromebook momentum from building whenever they see Chromebooks becoming a "more serious threat". It is cheaper to do this than build a more affordable, better Wintel laptop. HP now makes their new printers support the New Android Chromebooks -- supposedly all it takes is a USB cable and a current HP printer. Just plug it up and turn it on ..... Is a Chromebook ready to jump into MS Land and do all the things a MS user would want to do ??? Heck no, but it costs 1/2 to 2/3 as much to buy a Chromebook and it does 90% of what a MS users needs to do -- hey, it does exactly as much as MS has built into Office for Android. If you are a Chromebook user from way back, you know you can do a whole lot more now-a-days than you used to do as Chromebooks are getting more mainstream support from HP and others now-a-days. IS IT THE SAME ???? Heck no, both sides love to toss up lists of stuff both pro and con. Is Chromebook growing ?? Yes. about twice as fast as before. Chromebooks have overtaken Apple everything everything (no vagueness here, simple facts) and are working at MS's piece of the market share pie right now. Google is working it so hard MS has had to join the Linux Federation and is now going to write a compatibility layer into Win 10 for next year so it can run (slowly) on all ARM processor based laptops. ::) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by ls650v on 12/03/16 at 02:55:33 It seems like if you buy the "right" chromebook you also have the option of using it with a standard linux distro. http://www.howtogeek.com/185039/4-things-to-keep-in-mind-when-buying-a-chromebook-for-linux/ |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/03/16 at 03:47:01 You know, it's funny --- within a calendar year Mickysoft promises you can run ALL OF WINDOWS on a Chromebook (or on an Android laptop). Why? Because Windows 10 machines aren't selling as well as like Mickysoft would like. So Micky wants to sell you a Win 10 license for your Chromebook..... ::) .... hey, you can always go to Mickysoft on line for free .... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Yonuh Adisi FSO on 12/03/16 at 08:20:11 Hey OF, are you as adept with hardware as you seem to be with software? If so maybe you can help me out. I have a HP G60-231wm laptop running vista home premium. The problem is when I try to boot it up when plugged in the screen will flash on but it is very dim and red shifted, then it will go completely black as if it is not on. But if I charge it up and try to boot it up on battery power alone it will work except it is very dim and red shifted. Any ideas what the problem could be and maybe a possible solution? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/03/16 at 11:46:52 I dunno, my wife's Vista machine recieved a Mickysoft emergency security upgrade and immediately died with the screen going to bruised brown black & blue ...... ..... wait a second, isn't that what yours just did to you ???? :P I guess the fact they were still running Vista constituted an "emergency" to good 'ol Mickysoft. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/03/16 at 12:23:43 I am curious .... yellow .... as the Beatles used to say. So I went and looked. https://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/vista-won-t-boot-black-screen-after-bad-windows-update-262632/ Start here ..... lots & lots of others jest like us. 10's of thousands of us ..... These old Vista machines might jest be candidates for a Linux faith healing of some kind over yonder in that there Linus Saves big top "faith healing" tent. But first you likely have to remove your CMOS battery, take out your hard drive and remove and reinsert just one stick of your memory. Some have theorized that a video driver "upgrade" that was pushed by MS caused your screen to burn out while trying to display at a resolution higher than the screen was built to handle. That was the funky display stuff you saw just before it burned out and died. The programmer had a much more modern machine and did not watch out for what he was building and pushing "by default". When asked to replace the machines repeatedly by individual users, MS has responded that the machines were far past "end of life" and had a "zero book balance net replacement worth". MS has never admitted causing the issue, either. Gonna take mine on over and get Linus to pray over it some ..... ;) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/03/16 at 13:26:40 Mickysoft officially says very little about the current hot potato issue ..... When you start a Windows Vista-based computer, the system may stop responding (hang) at a black screen Support for Windows Vista without any service packs installed ended on April 13, 2010. To continue receiving security updates for Windows, make sure you're running Windows Vista with Service Pack 2 (SP2). For more information, refer to this Microsoft web page: Support is ending for some versions of Windows SYMPTOMS When you start a Windows Vista-based computer, the system may stop responding (hang) at a black screen. Additionally, you may experience the following symptoms when you try to recover from this problem: If you restart the computer, press F8 before the Windows Vista progress indicator appears, and then click the Safe Mode option, the same problem occurs. If you start Windows Recovery Environment (WinRE) to restore the Windows Vista-based computer, WinRE stops responding. If you try to use Windows Vista installation media to repair the system, the system stops responding. CAUSE: This problem may occur because of file system corruption within the $Txf directory. This corruption causes a deadlock condition between the Transactional NTFS (TxF) process and the Autocheck process. WORKAROUND To work around this problem, perform a clean installation or a parallel installation of Windows Vista. Warning In a clean installation, existing data is deleted. This data includes personal data and settings. After you install the operating system, you must also reinstall all programs. For more information about how to reinstall Windows Vista, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: 918884 How to install Windows Vista STATUS Microsoft has confirmed that this is a problem in the Microsoft products that are listed in the "Applies to" section. This problem was corrected in Windows Vista Service Pack 1. MORE INFORMATION Windows Vista introduces the TxF technology. TxF enables file operations on an NTFS file system volume to be performed in transactions. For more information about TxF, visit the following Microsoft Web site: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa365456.aspx Properties Article ID: 946532 - Last Review: 04/10/2008 05:19:13 - Revision: 2.2 Applies to: Windows Vista Business, Windows Vista Enterprise, Windows Vista Home Basic, Windows Vista Home Premium, Windows Vista Ultimate, Windows Vista Business 64-bit Edition, Windows Vista Enterprise 64-bit Edition, Windows Vista Home Basic 64-bit Edition, Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit Edition, Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit Edition Keywords: kbtshoot kbexpertiseinter kbprb KB946532 |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/03/16 at 13:50:12 Linus says he can't fix it, that I might try an exterior monitor to see if the video card is still working ..... Since this one ran the Intel built-in graphics, there is no video card you can take out. I am SCREWED !!!! ..... screwed, blued and tattooed .... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 12/03/16 at 13:54:37 If there are slots, then pop in a video card. usually, you can deactivate the internal card with bios settings. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/03/16 at 13:59:35 This one had no video slot, and I tried hooking up an old VGA monitor to the VGA port and hitting the F2 key repeatedly to switch the video output but the machine apparently won't boot far enough to initialize those parts of the system ..... Screwed, blued and tattooed .... i.e. Mickyfrick'd |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 12/03/16 at 14:16:01 well... at least you're not on your way to Timbuktu. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Yonuh Adisi FSO on 12/03/16 at 17:22:37 Like I said, the computer will boot up on battery power it is just the display is dim and red shifted. but when it is plugged in the display only stays on a few seconds then goes to black. You can hear all the internals coming to life and even hear the little windows jingle as it fully boots up, you just cant see anything. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/03/16 at 17:40:06 Can you hook up another display and then F2 your way over to it? This answers the question "is your display shot, but the rest of the machine OK?" |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/03/16 at 17:49:45 Wow. This is the full list of older Chromebooks that will become Android Play Store ready, fully functional App using machines inside the next six months, thereabouts. The first Chromebooks that will support the feature are the Acer Chromebook R11 C738T, ASUS Chromebook Flip and Google's Chromebook Pixel (2015). The Chromebook Flip is up and running now on the developer channel. The full list of Chromebooks, Chromeboxes and Chromebases that will be able to run Android apps when the feature becomes available later this year includes: Acer Chromebook 11 C740 Chromebook 11 CB3-111 / C730 / C730E / CB3-131 Chromebook R13 CB5-312T Chromebook 14 CB3-431 Chromebook 14 for Work Chromebook 15 CB5-571 / C910 Chromebook 15 CB3-531 / CB3-532 Chromebox CXI2 Chromebase 24 Asus Chromebook C200 Chromebook C201 Chromebook C202SA Chromebook C300SA Chromebook C300 Chromebox CN62 Chromebit CS10 AOpen Chromebox Commercial Chromebase Commercial 22" Bobicus Chromebook 11 CDI eduGear Chromebook M Series eduGear Chromebook K Series eduGear Chromebook R Series CTL Chromebook J2 / J4 N6 Education Chromebook J5 Convertible Chromebook Dell Chromebook 11 3120 Chromebook 13 7310 Edxis Chromebook Education Chromebook Chromebook Pixel (2015) Haier Chromebook 11 Chromebook 11e Chromebook 11 G2 Hexa Chromebook Pi HiSense Chromebook 11 Lava Xolo Chromebook HP Chromebook 11 G3 / G4 / G4 EE Chromebook 14 G4 Chromebook 13 Lenovo 100S Chromebook N20 / N20P Chromebook N21 Chromebook ThinkCentre Chromebox ThinkPad 11e Chromebook N22 Chromebook Thinkpad 13 Chromebook Thinkpad 11e Chromebook Gen 2 / Gen 3 Medion Akoya S2013 Chromebook S2015 M&A Chromebook NComputing Chromebook CX100 Nexian Chromebook 11.6" PCMerge Chromebook PCM-116E Poin2 Chromebook 11 Samsung Chromebook 2 11" - XE500C12 Chromebook 3 Sector 5 E1 Rugged Chromebook Senkatel C1101 Chromebook Toshiba Chromebook 2 Chromebook 2 (2015) True IDC Chromebook 11 Viglen Viglen Chromebook 11 If I was buying a future proof device I would get a Chromebook with a touch screen and a larger amount of systems memory, such as will become more prevalent next year, as will a brand new crop of better processors and a much faster, much better type of combined "SSD" / systems memory. MS is right to be very afraid, and Intel is seemingly headed for the "self-driving car" hills just as fast as they can go right now. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/03/16 at 19:11:38 https://chromeunboxed.com/chromebooks-with-play-store-no-longer-compatible-with-microsoft-android-apps/ Microsoft reacts, in a future fear knee-jerk fashion that totally belies all their "we love Linux" BS they have pushed out of late. MS had actually yanked all their on-line Android Office Apps and published a schedule for the yearly cost for you to use your existing MS Word files, not thinking that they were 1) breaking the law 2) breaking their own license agreements 3) cutting their own throats. http://https://chromeunboxed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Screenshot-2016-11-07-at-3.06.06-PM-768x251.png ===================================== then just one day later ....... Then, in true Micky fashion, one day later they said "Woopsie, we really didn't mean it" and pulled it all back. https://chromeunboxed.com/microsoft-office-apps-will-continue-to-run-on-compatible-chromebooks/ It does not take a rocket scientist to read this statement and figure out that something "incompatible" will shortly be found with all Chromebook based "non-Office 365" installations. Read it and realize that MS does not care to blatantly break the law or break their own license agreements, so they still have to figure out some "incompatibilities" to blame it all on. Some are being written and pushed to your machines as we speak ...... and yes, even on Chrome an automatic update can be pushed by the vendor. "Our strategy has not changed. Office for Android is supported on Chrome OS devices via the Google Play Store. While Google Play on Chrome OS is in beta, we are partnering with Google to deliver the best experience for Chromebook users and plan to make the apps available on all compatible devices by general availability." – Microsoft Office Team Micky has seen the future, and the future is Chromebooks, tons and tons of them, running free Apps both on-line and local loaded. MS just realized this and karked in their drawers. MS simply hasn't figured out a way to make lots of money off of Chromebooks yet. ========================================= Thoughts at this point MS is suddenly showing a willingness to work with Google to get their old software fully ARM/ANDROID acceptable. Joining the Open Source FOSS associations and the Linux Foundations are moves that say MickeySoft realizes that they cannot go off into the future by themselves anymore. Microsoft and Intel also realize they are NON-competitive (both combined and individually) right now and each has picked them a pathway off into the future that requires them to trim all the dead flesh off of their shrinking companies and to FOCUS all their energy on just surviving, simply by doing what does work for them (makes a dollar) and cutting all the rest. Both Intel and Microsoft are seeking to form up groups of other older companies intending to break into these new growth industries. The impact of the new 3-D memory types on this shifting equation is going to be MASSIVE --- it is shipping now and is going through the industry like grease through a goose wherever it has landed ..... What we are told by HP and their early systems tests are that a lesser processor product equipped with gigabytes of the new stuff will outperform today's best of the best by a thousand times or more. This is a very significant thing in an already shaky industry. Andromeda is a real word now, and it was supposed to ship inside the planned Nexus 7 (renamed Pixel) replacement tablet. This tablet has been delayed (or cancelled ???) by disagreements on meeting the shifting price and volume and features concerns between Google and their supplier. Google has wisely decided not to make it or ship it as it is, but instead to start a new project with a supplier who can perform to rapidly shifting agreements. Huawei also supposedly choked on leaving their name off of the product, and having it to be only known as a "Pixel" or "Andromeda" device as this was not the case when they signed up for the "Huawei Nexus" moniker. Look to see lots of existing Wintel tech being sold cheap for Christmas, since if it isn't sold soon it will get strongly devalued next year as MASSIVE CHANGE waves come rolling through making the current tech stuff less desirable. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Yonuh Adisi FSO on 12/04/16 at 05:59:17 2C0F0705060F0F0611630 wrote:
Yes. I just tried it and it works. But it's not like I can take an external monitor to work with me every day. LOL. Do you think I can possibly just change out the laptop monitor? If so, any idea where I can pick one up? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/04/16 at 12:43:24 You are in for an ugly surprise ..... buy a new screen or a complete laptop same super old grade of over the hill stuff .... .... either one is about the same price. While you are on-line shopping, you will see something else that tickles your fancy at a good price, yep, simply too good to pass up ...... ::) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/04/16 at 12:53:22 https://liliputing.com/2016/12/wine-bring-support-windows-apps-android.html Wine to bring free support for Windows apps to Android Mickysoft is seeing the writing on the wall ..... Andromeda (or whatever Google calls it) is going to steal a goodly chunk of their world because it will cost half or less than what a Win 10 machine will cost. MS is busy figuring a way to make some big bucks supplying Office to Android/Andromeda/Chromebooks by some hook or crook fashion. Micky has said that within a year they will have a Win 10 "compatibility layer" available for Android and Chromebooks. Betcha they are considering lifting some FOSS code from these guys who have already done it ..... Android x86 Project and Wine and Codeweavers/Crossover Office Please note: What Mickey wants is for you to buy a COMPLETELY SEPARATE license to do Office on a single Android or Chromebook device. What these other guys already do is to allow you to install the disc you already have as the disc represents your license to use that you bought from MS. Micky is now planning on getting a call from that new installation and to shut it down completely due to "incompatibility". (Mickey don't like a that ..... he's counting on picking your pocket yet again) http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/crossover-android.jpg?w=572&ssl=1 Please, Please, Please --- remember that LIBRE OFFICE opens and saves all the MickeySoft formats --- even the old ones that Mickey itself won't open or save any more. Mickey uses a very complex folder of HTML items to make up your document now-a-days, simply because they had to make it more complex each time they forced you to go buy another one. Libre Office runs on all OS systems FOR FREE and it does what you need in a clear, simple, stable fashion --- no monkey games with HAVING to go buy a new one every 3-4 years and you having to learn it all over again as Mickey so loves to do. Some government branches have now standardized on the ODF format (Open Document Format) as it runs better on old machines which is what that they have and fits better on old smaller hard drives. Free doesn't hurt their feelings either ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/07/16 at 19:14:20 http://www.forbes.com/sites/tiriasresearch/2016/12/06/is-amd-licensing-radeon-graphics-to-intel/#1bda82887719 Intel and AMD are renewing their cross licenses for x86 processor building and for GPU technologies, but this time more closely binding the two companies much closer together. Reason? Automotive and the fierce competition with Nvidia over that budding self-driving industry. A side benefit will be much better on board Radeon GPUs on Intel chipsets (and Intel gets to lay off a thousand people they used to have working on their own GPU technologies) IF the two companies can meld together well and work hand in hand without friction. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/07/16 at 19:21:39 https://liliputing.com/2016/12/qualcomm-says-arm-chips-will-support-legacy-win32-software-2017.html Qualcomm and Microsoft: ARM chips will support desktop Windows software in 2017 It remains to be seen what kind of performance hit we might see when ARM chips try to use x86 emulation to run Windows software, but Microsoft’s demo shows a system with a Snapdragon chip running Adobe Photoshop, Microsoft Word, World of Tanks Blitz, and playing video with no problems. But since Microsoft hasn’t been all that successful in getting app developers to port legacy Windows apps to the new Universal Windows Platform (so that they can run on desktops, tablets, smartphones, and game consoles with x86 or ARM processors), there are still millions of Windows apps that wouldn’t otherwise be able to run on devices with ARM processors. It’s also not clear whether ARM-based computers will be significantly cheaper than models with Intel or AMD chips, or if they’ll offer better battery life or other benefits. But it does seem like Intel is about to get some serious competition in the PC space… after largely giving up on competing in the smartphone space. As Intel moves on away off into automotive land, look to see Qualcomm swing in to fill the vacuum left behind. Also note that MediaTek is moving in on Automotive land as well, offering their own 10 core solutions to the automotive problems of the moment. As these folks bend their products to compete against Intel (or replace Intel as the case may be) look to see less expensive items become more readily available again. All the major computer/phone makers are now seeking other pathways into new growth industries as the PC and the Phone industries hit their peaks and begin to decline. http://previews.123rf.com/images/ortodoxfoto/ortodoxfoto1202/ortodoxfoto120200067/12566717-Old-crumbling-brick-wall-A-wall-of-red-brick--Stock-Photo.jpg |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/08/16 at 19:29:55 http://www.zdnet.com/article/npd-chromebooks-outsell-windows-laptops/ Soon, the holidays will be upon us. It is time to recap this thread over the last full year. Remember, Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 was the topic. Well, that topic really isn't going to apply next year since all the names are changing, so let's recap it as it is right now with all the names the way they started. http://zdnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2015/08/13/144e297b-9d91-400a-9388-f8f1b0d369e5/59cc6528fe1bba9cf55bb76d1a904f6f/npd-laptop-and-tablet-sales-2015.png Many people have resisted the idea that Chromebooks really were growing in popularity. Now, less five years after the first commercial Chromebook, the Samsung Series 5 and Acer Chromebook went on sale, NPD, the global retail research group, is reporting that Chromebook sales in June and early July had exceeded "sales of Windows notebooks ... passing the 50 percent market share threshold." 'Nough said -- Intel is leaving and MS has joined in with the Linux boys and Windows 10 is gonna limp along on ARM chipsets next year. I think Chromebooks may well have won, but that doesn't really affect all of us old equipment users for very much, now does it? ::) Merry Christmas, everybody !!!! |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Yonuh Adisi FSO on 12/10/16 at 11:29:02 092A2220232A2A2334460 wrote:
Don't have to worry about it anymore. My wife bought me a new laptop for my birthday today. :D ;D |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/10/16 at 11:47:58 Aw Gee ...... My wife just buys me motorcycles. What did she buy you ?? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/10/16 at 12:03:17 Life insurance... What could possibly say I love you more? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/10/16 at 12:50:44 She buys that too, plus a quick hazard policy taken out for fun mountain trips ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/10/16 at 13:16:24 For your wife, to show her that you love her and care about her worries .... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.life360.android.safetymapd&hl=en Give her a better tool to know where your butt is located (except when you are off the grid up in the high mountains, of course). Now whenever your dot stops moving (or disappears completely) she can worry even more effectively ..... :P A bit more practical, if you are on a group trip and get separated, you can maybe find the other group a bit easier. This has only happened 6-8 times on these Savage trips ..... ;) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Yonuh Adisi FSO on 12/10/16 at 14:04:45 486B6361626B6B6275070 wrote:
She bought me another HP windows machine. Windows 10 with Adobe Photoshop CS5 already fully installed. Right now I am transferring stuff from the old screwed up Vista machine (photos, manuscripts, etc. etc...) to the new machine while watching a Star Wars marathon. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/11/16 at 12:21:04 Programmers are beginning to respond to Mickey's offer of an emulator set up in Win10. They ask a simple question -- if it was worth emulation effort wouldn't it already have a native Android app sitting in the Play Store already ??? Any worth doing have done this already. They say it is always better to rewrite the software as a NATIVE app. Emulators historically suck for performance and historically have made no money for their programmers. Micky is proposing the same (or more) level of work with no proven payback for the programmer. He'd be much better off to put his app directly into the Google Play Store as a totally rewritten native Android app and tap into that HUGE market. Google Play is slam full of apps for every purpose already, doing emulation on top of the bulk and slow of Win 10 isn't wanted or needed. Microsoft is really just admitting they have TOTALLY LOST their programmer base and are now desperately trying to stay afloat by "borrowing" a software base from Android just so they can sell their OS's "software system" for yet another year or two. And who is going to pay 2-3x more $$$ for some extra slowness running those Android apps -- and then put up with Mickysoft's ongoing nightly strangenesses to boot? Clarification on Andromeda The current Android code mass running on the newest touch screen Chromebooks that have just come out is indeed the Andromeda code mass -- but Google is sensing Chromebook is actually the stronger brand name right now and may stick with "Chromebook" for a while due to that reason alone. And it would be stupid to do things to confuse Joe and Rita Sixpack during the Christmas buying season, Rita and Joe having just figured out what a Chromebook is ...... DON'T GO CONFUSING GOOD 'OL RITA AND JOE AT CHRISTMAS TIME .... at least not until the new Andromeda code mass is rolled out completely out over that huge list of existing Chromebooks ...... Chromebooks are showing some stronger user loyalty, and just the act of switching brand names around might be damaging to the current Chromebook momentum. Pixel is a better upper crust Google brand name for their better grade of stuff. Nexus is another excellent brand name that means high value and state of the art innovative products, but simple plain old Chromebook does carry a brand image that Google may not want to ditch until later next year AFTER they get everything running totally right on all the new Andromeda Chromebooks. But Google is now discovering the Chromebook brand name really isn't a bad one, really, it actually has great customer recognition and quite a bit of strong user loyalty associated with it, especially with younger people who grew up with them. :) ..... and now with Andromeda hanging out there over their heads and with Intel hitting the road on them 'ol Mickysoft is jest having anxiety attack after panic attack, seeing "the end" a coming up the road within the next 5 years --- and FOSS and Linux and Android everybody else is jest a savoring those MS panic attacks like a glass of fine wine. ====================================== Press Release TrendForce Reports 2016 Chromebook Shipments Exceed Expectations with Annual Growth Projected Around 30~40% Wednesday , 10 / 05 / 2016 [ Analysts: Anita Wang ] "All Notebooks" shipments worldwide for 2016 are projected around 156 million units, down 5.1% from 2015, according to the latest report from the global market research firm TrendForce. Chromebook shipments, however, has been expanding against the general trend of decline and are projected to achieve an impressive annual growth of 30~40%, totaling over 10 million units. “Price has been a major factor behind the stronger-than-expected growth of Chromebook shipments this year,” said TrendForce notebook analyst Anita Wang. “The notebook market remained in a slump through the first half of 2016. Struggling sales of higher-end models compelled branded notebook vendors to promote the lower-priced Chromebook products to gain market shares during the period. Another important factor is Microsoft’s attempt to raise license fees for Windows. This encouraged notebook vendors to shift some their sales focus to Chromebooks, which feature a royalty-free operating system.” Wang also pointed out that the Chromebook market has attracted a much larger group of device vendors beyond the major players in the traditional PC industry. “As Chromebooks gain tractions with consumers, even appliance makers such as China’s Haier and Hisense are entering the market,” noted Wang. “New entrants with their versions of Chromebook products further contribute to the overall shipment increase.” Read more at http://press.trendforce.com/press/20161005-2641.html#gYMKmPQXv7xqPEv6.99 This tracks pretty well, the whole pie loses 5.1% on the total market pie size due to phones, etc. Apple loses another considerable chunk of that smaller total pie size and Chromebooks pick up "an impressive annual growth of 30~40%" for the 4th year in a row. And MS refuses to say what they lost in unit volume, but mathematically it has to be considerable. (MS is ~ 51% ~ of the total pie at this moment) ;) http://https://staticseekingalpha.a.ssl.fastly.net/uploads/2015/9/19553521_14429284504844_0.jpg |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/13/16 at 20:10:46 https://liliputing.com/2016/12/amd-unveils-ryzen-its-next-gen-octa-core-cpu.html AMD shows off ZEN 8 core for PC/Laptop uses, this first one is Ryzen (risen, get it?) http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/ryzen_03.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 Demonstrating the the AMD Zen chip at an event today, AMD showed how the new chip compares with Intel’s 3.2 GHz Core i7-6900K processor. In an industry standard image rendering test, Ryzen was able to match and beat the Intel chip’s performance…. at a price that is starting out at 25% less than Intel's current pricing. One of AMD’s goals for the new chip was to deliver 40 percent better performance per clock, and the company says it’s met or exceeded that goal. On a video transcoding test using Handbrake, the Ryzen chip actually finished about 6 seconds faster (or about a 10 percent improvement on the GPU side for gamers). .... and AMD notes that Intel’s chip is a 14nm 140 watt processor, while the Ryzen chip is a physically smaller 10nm 95 watt processor… and Ryzen's overclock performance hasn’t even been fully optimized yet by AMD to match the current draw of the hotter running Intel chipset. "If overclocked to matched Intel's 140 watts, Ryzen performance would be still greater" but the Ryzen chipset would always run cooler than Intel at every wattage point. In a video transcoding test using Handbrake, the Ryzen chip actually finished about 6 seconds faster (or about 10 percent faster). Now you begin to see why Intel is willing to spend the big bucks to be able to go from Nvidia based graphics over to AMD Radeon graphics .... AMD now owns PC gaming on the "on board graphics" side of things. And on the console box side of things, too. And if Intel had not inked the Radeon Graphics deal they would have been left in the dust on PC Gaming as well. Lately we note both Intel and Microsoft having to buy into or join up with their historical competitors simply to gain access to state of the art technology that they have not been able to build for themselves. ::) .... Remember, being "me too" isn't where you want to be in 2018 and beyond. At that point AMD will be volume shipping 7nm chipsets built by Global Foundries or TSMC .... .... and Intel may have finally made it to 10nm by then. :P TSMC just broke ground on their brand new 5nm/3nm EUV foundry site .... this ground breaking is being treated as really big news over in in the Orient as they say Intel has left the playing field for real and they are "victorious" as of today's ground breaking. Intel is indeed marching straight towards irrelevance by year 2020. Year 2017 Microsoft goes ARM, in year 2018 7nm EUV production breaks out (and the sub 2 volt chipset becomes real), 2019 or earlier Apple goes with their ARM A-x series on all product lines. And in 2021 the new TSMC plant opens production at 5nm EUV -- something that has already been pilot run and is actually feasible using the TSMC EUV process. Only TSMC will have made the investment needed to own the 5nm and 3nm EUV markets, so ipso facto -- they are victorious as of today. ======================================== Samsung is going to spin off its Foundry into a separate company next year and treat it as two separate companies. The new foundry company will have to seek customers, make production dates and make enough profit off of what they build to buy the needed new technology year on year. Likely Samsung will spin off its foundry function and then let it die a natural death because it cannot compete with TSMC and Global Foundries. Sammy is buying lots of mid to lower end chipsets from Mediatek right now ..... concentrating on designing a world beating premium phone is all that Sammy needs to be doing for the next little bit. ====================================== Significant Firsts for this year First commercial small drone deliveries flew this week. Uber has a first shipment of driver less Volvo cars picking up real passengers in California this week. First crop of driverless 18 wheelers from Volvo are out on the nation's highways for real this week. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/30/16 at 19:45:37 A NEW WAVE OF WIN 10 BASED INCOMPATIBILITIES HIT UP THE OLDER COMPUTERS Drop drawers and grab your ankles, boys ..... your old equipment and your alternative OS products are getting ready to hit a rough patch again because "the various restrictive MS OS requirements" are just starting to become real with the nightly push of "improvements" .... and this will complete the load out and will be completely real in 5 more days. I am typing this on a MS machine at work because my machines at home can't seem to get the SS site to open --- can't reach it, actually. This has happened before when MS put some new "compatibility standards" in play that intentionally screwed up older machinery and any FOSS products up on purpose. It may last a month or so before it gets fixed by a Torvalds Linux kernel release. I may be scarce for a while, accordingly. Or else posting off a phone, which is jest a pain in the butt. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/01/17 at 09:34:51 Or, since the Linux boys saw it coming six months out --- a second kernel patch has already been applied just this morning by Torvalds and his crew ..... and my Mint Mate 18.1 is shining brightly again. Note please that the current illnesses in the Windows world still remain unpatched. Linux never breaks itself or fouls up its operating environment like good 'ol MickySoft does somewhat repeatedly and regularly like MS does ---- well at least several times a year, anyway. And Linux does recover from getting all Mickied up much more quickly than MS itself does when it happens. Microsoft has consistently caught so much bad press about their fricked up automatic nightly updates they are saying they are going to STOP doing them sometimes this spring. This would actually make their OS more stable and more reliable. But it would require a software QA function to police it and MS fired all of theirs over a year ago. This "wait to have MS fix the Windows environment" move now is seen as a justifying precursor for the "pay a small monthly fee for Windows 365 updates and ongoing timely protection" but it seemingly requires MS to fix a couple of sets of their own self-inflicted disasters very publicly --- they have to do this at least once or twice more while yakking about it loudly before the Windows 365 program can crank itself up successfully against a "real perceived need". |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/01/17 at 19:02:49 https://liliputing.com/2017/01/qualcomm-snapdragon-835-chip-details-leaked.html The 2017 Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas is getting ready to go this week. Something to watch is Microsoft and Qualcomm both saying this one is a laptop capable chipset (because it is). Listen to them talking about "2 day laptop battery life" too. http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/835.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 Half the physical size of the 2014 chipsets, it actually pulls about 50% of the power draw and runs up to 45% faster at MUCH better graphics resolution and speed compared to the 2014 Snapdragon chipsets. AND IT DOES NOT OVERHEAT AND CHOKE ITSELF DOWN TO HALF SPEED LIKE THOSE OLD SNAPDRAGON 801-805-808-810 CHIPSETS SO LOVED TO DO. (yep, Qualcomm has tweeked the stock A73 a little bit to make up their custom Kyro cores). The only real competition out there for this one has is the Kirin 970 chipset in it which is a box stock ARM A73/A53 6-8 core design run at 16nm. And when Apple finally unveils their laptop ARM chipset, it will also be based off a customized A73 core design with very similar capabilities but run down at 10nm. So yes, when MS promises the full Win 10 (equal to the main PC release) can run on an ARM chipset these are the ones they have planned to run it on. And this also explains why Intel simply discontinued two entire family levels of their dual core lower end x86 chipsets so abruptly several months ago --- they weren't complete SOCs at all and they didn't have good on board graphics and on board wifi and cell tower radio capability --- but they ACTUALLY COST MORE TO BUY THAN THESE ARM FULL SPECTRUM SOC CHIPSETS are gong to cost by year's end. Intel looks to immediately lose most of the low end laptop space to these sorts of ARM chipsets whether they run Chrome OS or Windows 10 -- the low end laptop space will have no "Intel Inside" it ever again. No phones as of last year, now no low end laptops. No Intel, shortly as AMD has taken over console game boxes and is hitting up on laptops and desktops again. Where is the slot for Intel ???? when Qualcomm just went after data farm servers again with a lower cost higher performance current gen 16 core ARM chipset ...... ======================================= new info just out ....... First Benchmark Tests on Qualcomm 835 VS the Kirin 960 show the Qualcomm chipset is getting enough advantage off of the 10nm vs 16/12nm TSMC lithography stages to keep the Qualcomm chipset the clear winner in the ongoing performance battles between Qualcomm, Mediatek and Huawei/Kirin. It also explains why the Kirin is now going to step directly down to 10nm lithography ASAP, pretty much skipping over the 12nm half step that was currently planned just a month ago. Samsung is actually the foundry that is making the Qualcomm 10nm chipset, so they will likely use it themselves in their premium phone offerings. Because of lower costs of production TSMC actually makes the Huawei Kirin 960 and the various decacore Meditek offerings. Look to see all of the foundry guys leaping down to 7nm just as fast as they possibly can (it uses the same equipment that 10nm uses). |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/03/17 at 15:13:48 https://liliputing.com/2017/01/qualcomm-snapdragon-835-chips-coming-first-half-2017.html Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chips are coming in the first half of 2017 http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/snapdragon-835.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 Yup, runs a NEW Win 10 software and can have laptop battery life of OVER 2 days ...... Now, that is IF MickeySoft can pull their thumb from out of their nose and actually write a successfully implemented Windows 10 that covers the chipset they say that they wanted ..... :-/ Damme, you mean somebody actually made the ARM super chip that we demanded ..... and what are we supposed to go do now ???? .... now we gotta go write the software ?????? Microsoft, like Intel, has never ever successfully done anything right the first time with an ARM chipset. Nor on the second try either ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/03/17 at 19:28:31 https://liliputing.com/2017/01/mirabook-another-dock-turns-smartphones-pcs.html http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/mirabook_02.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 While you wait for your $1000+ MickySoft ARM based WIN10 laptop to become real, take a look at this cute little trick ...... ANY decent phone from the last few years can do this trick right now, using USB-C connectors or a HDMI adapter cable for the older USB form phone connections. Requires Android 7.1.1 or higher to operate and it isn't particularly cheap at the moment -- although before very long the copycats from the orient WILL become quite inexpensive. The company is planning a no-cable Bluetooth 5.0 version to come out later this year. Your phone stays safe in your pocket and if they steal the laptop shell, no big deal. Your data is always safe in any case. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/07/17 at 13:25:45 Unfrick'nbelievable !!! ..... please remember, this is a full computer on a chip, complete with all functions inside this little square. http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/snapdragon-835.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 First Antutu benchmark tests are beginning to come in, and they are DRASTICALLY BETTER THAN EXPECTED. Qualcomm said 40% better -- nope, try 50-60% better. This laps a lot of the low end "Intel Inside" stuff, btw. This chip outperforms any other mobile chipset and more than a few of Intel's laptop chipsets while being less than half the size and drawing half the power of any of the current compared against devices. And that is when it is untuned and untweeked -- posted tweek results from Xiaomi are nearly doubled and are being instantly dissed as "faked up" or "fudged" accordingly. An updated & renovated Antutu test is coming out very shortly to remove any possible cheating concerns. However, folks are saying that when you apply a desktop class cooling system to the chipset, the Xiaomi test results might just be for real if it is used in a static desktop device that has a chip cooling system, even one as simple as a heat sink and fan .... https://www.nextpowerup.com/news/32922/xiaomi-mi-6-powered-by-snapdragon-835-destroys-antutu/ http://https://tpucdn.com/npu/img/2017/01-07/32922-4989ebfd_728_557.jpg People are getting excited about the AGE of the Snapdragon 835 and the wave of small light powerful devices it may wind up powering. We can certainly see the Kirin 960 is being downsized and up-powered immediately (to 7-10nm ASAP) becoming the Kirin 980 just as soon as TSMC can make something up for samples. This is needed absolutely ASAP as the new up-powered Kirin 960 got badly upstaged, crushed, demolished by the Xiaomi 835 equipped Mi-6 in current generation Antutu testing. Huawei simply isn't going to take being crushed lying down ..... Look for the Kirin 970 to ship later this spring with some interim A-73 improvements at 10-12nm as it shrinks all the way down to 7nm by this fall. Ditto for Apple, the Snapdragon 835 just ate the soon to be released Apple A10 chipset alive and spit out all the bony pieces. Apple will wind up having a slack, sorry arsed first part of year this year in 2017 since it takes Apple most of a whole year to make enough chipsets to do an introduction wave on phones. Or else they will have to react, and have to cut the current generation off early by moving the A-11 up a year and wind up using the current A10 warehouse stocks somewhere else (in tablets or a low end laptop ???). It isn't a bad chip, but the wave caught up with it and passed it .... Samsung is building the Qualcomm 835 so expect no reaction from Sammy, other than to use the 835 chip at first instead of trying to compete against it. Also look to see all the rest of the crew come out with a up-speeded 7-10nm quad core A73 of some sort, as four Cortex A73s at 7-10nm draws so much less power than before that the use of the matching "littles" seem scarcely needed for any tablet, laptop, desktop or other non-handheld-phone usages. Phones yes, you still get some significant big little battery life benefits with phones ..... but if you use the aluminum chassis as a large aluminum heat sink, then by golly you HAVE a heat sink and can tune the system speed accordingly. Expect all the powerful chipset phones to do this even more than they do now. If you have a design license, you can replace the on-die area currently used to support various sensors, gyros, etc (and the four littles) with 2-4 more A73s and use the same die footprint and motherboard designs for a desktop only item. This way you can get to market faster with a more powerful "dedicated to the desktop" chipset. :o ..... can you say Chromebook? Sammy can, and did ..... showed off a pair of new ones at CES ======================================== Watch out that you don't go get yourself Qualcommed by your own actions in overclocking a 835 product and making a toasted turd out of your product when it thermal fails on you due to completely natural production run variations. Notice that this IS apparently a danger as Qualcomm has come out of the gate VERY STRONGLY UNDERSTATING this Snapdragon 835's performance by a whole lot, and they did this very much on purpose for some known reasons. Apparently there is a large range of "thermal performance" in this smaller lithography chipset's first production runs. IT IS BRAND NEW TURF after all and is full of unknown dangers at this point in time. Overclocking a brand new phone chip is likely suicidal, you oriental phone guys know this, right? What makes you think the on board radio or the GPS can withstand the voltages and heat? They are NOT "germanium laced" chipset components after all ..... "Germanium laced" might indeed wind up being overclockable on the main CPU section, but let them end user hobby guys assume all those "toasted chicklet" risks. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/09/17 at 21:46:56 http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/sk-hynix.jpg?w=682&ssl=1 You have seen phones come out with 8 gigabytes of systems memory this past year. This is what 8 gigs of phone systems memory currently looks like in a single 8 gig chip -- it is still fairly large but also one that is currently up for a 2x lithography die shrink soon. The newer, much faster 3-D Xpoint (Optane) style of memory is stacked memory, and is 1/3 to 1/2 this same size when run at the same old lithography level -- and it can go up to 32 gigs of systems memory in that lesser but thicker stacked space. It too is up for a die shrink. Cost is still high at the moment but 16-32-64 gigs of 3-D Xpoint will eventually cost what this 8 gig chipset does now .... and given a year or two it will get yet half again smaller as 5nm memory lithography is now considered both real and "very possible" in year 2019-20 as production level lithography. Remember, they always downsize memory chips first as it is considered "easier to do" than downsizing CPUs and GPUs. They use memory production to shake the bugs out of new lithography equipment as they can run it and run it and run it -- the production chips will always sell no matter how much of the individual chip tests bad and gets lasered off in the sorting process. The truncated 64s become 32s and the truncated 32s become 16s. They are all physically the same die size and ball-grid array anyway. Then when the Foundrys get good at it, then the massive flood of fully populated memory chips become CHEAP and everybody uses them for everything. ======================================= Samsung is now rumored to be working on their "the one after next", the Galaxy 9 phone which is rumored to have the ability to light a big screen through USB C and/or by using Bluetooth 5.0 casting from your pocket. Android 7.1.1 currently supports this sort activity, but it is not 'systems default' the way it will be with 2018's Android 8.0 version. This gives Samsung a 1 year window to put the feature into their new phones as a "Samsung Deluxe" feature and steal a march on Apple as well by doing so. This is what it will look like, care of the new Sammy Chromebook that was just released at CES wearing the new "Deluxe" SammyChromeAndroid mash up which is showing 3 independently running Android softwares in separately siz8ed and placed windows. http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/chromedroid-71.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 (yep, Oreo is the proposed name they got on tap for Android 8.0) If Sammy fails to pull this same sort of software together in time for this summer's Galaxy 8 release, then it may be coming as this year's Galaxy Note phone which will launch later in the fall. Or, as predicted, in the Galaxy 9 next year. Some of the Andromeda code mass that is out now in Chromebooks is a part of this "phone as PC" effort, as will the new Qualcomm 835 generation of super chips. Both the CPU and VR level GPU power, the Android/Andromeda code and the faster smaller systems memory are all coming together in a perfect storm effect for later this year. This phone as PC thing may simply be "casting your phone screen to your monitor" by the time it becomes a widespread phone feature, as by then the standard phone will be a full powered VR capable device and the Phone/PC stuff will really be a minor feature that they all can do naturally. All 7.1.2 and later Android phones going forward support video out, keyboard and mouse on USB-C and BlueTooth 5.0 supposedly. So cast your Android phone screen to your big screen or to your goggles, same same same 'ol stuff. Yawn. It will still take away from laptop and desktop sales, as you phone will be able to do that duty too. Look to see further erosion of the bottom end of Intel's current line of chipsets in the next year, with Intel abruptly dropping production on anything that is about to get upstaged by ARM chipmakers (just in time for the Intel warehouse stocks to be sold off for cheap right before the existing stocks goes useless & obsolete). ======================================= Apple major stockholders consider Apple to be in trouble and have JUST DISCIPLINED Apple's upper level managers for poor planning and lack of performance / execution -- for example, Tim Cook's bonuses just got cut for this year because Apple is losing a chunk of their Mac PC market share due to NO NEW INTEL SUPER CHIPSET sitting ready in the wings AND the fact that the A10 chipset for iPhones and tablets isn't clearly superior to the existing Android ARM chipsets any more. leaving the iPhone in some danger of losing market share as well. So Tim Cook's job is on the line now, and he HAS to rally the troops ASAP to regain Apple's tech lead again. APPLE ALWAYS HAS TO STAY A YEAR AHEAD OF THE PACK to justify their very high profit margins, and they have lost most of that 1 year advantage as of right now. Right now Apple is losing sales to deluxe Windows 10 Surface units on the top end and to the upswell in deluxe Chromebooks on the low end of things. Mac has shown no real "excellence" in the last 3 years running and folks see better stuff out there from other vendors on both the top and bottom market ends. Tim Cook's Apple has got to learn how to make BIG progressive innovations again, ASAP. :-/ MickeySoft has a problem -- they are NOT NEARLY READY with their ARM port of Windows 10. Just getting started on it, actually. Look to see the Chromebook invasion continue all this Spring, Summer and Fall. Apple is cranking up the heat as well as is Samsung, with BOTH of them trying to get an edge over each other and the industry by getting there first by running well on the new generation of ARM superchips. The Andromeda code mass is written and is being rolled out over all existing Chromebooks as we speak. Google isn't sitting on their hands either, the Android phone PC is getting closer by the month. VR progress at Google Android is also driving the use of more systems memory, MUCH better graphics and faster MUCH more capable A73 based SOCs using the ARM Mitgard G71 VR graphics system. VR is going to do more to make phones into PCs much more quickly than any threat from MickySoft's trying to put Win 10 on to ARM processors. MickeySoft is sorta the fat slow kid in this 2017-18 ARM foot race, FAT and SLOW is what you don't want to be right now. Both Mickey and Apple actually depended on Intel -- and Intel suddenly leaving the playing field has left both of them with their drawers pulled down around their knees. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/10/17 at 16:09:50 The waves of ARM based change they keep on coming ...... .... wow, that was unexpected .... http://i.imgur.com/y7S8TJv.jpg http://https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f8/e1/86/f8e186aff382ef9c7376e03fdc0979f8.jpg .... yeah, we will just hold on at 14nm for a few more years, heck, we're good for a while yet .... You pick the company name and make up the caption to suit yourself -- just know that change, she keeps on a coming ..... and staying frozen technologically has a very certain, very deadly future cost. This one is a ranking of the wafer capacity at the various foundries world wide ..... Look to see TSMC switch places with Samsung in next year's roll up unless Samsung's spun off foundry arm does unexpectedly well, that is. You can see graphically where Intel is right now, size-wise. Yep, just 2 slots up from Texas Instruments and sliding fast ..... http://anysilicon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/semiconductor-foundry-capacity-2015-AnySilicon.com_.png |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/13/17 at 19:32:45 Samsung projects increased "good volume" sales in 2017, TSMC projects flat sales to a 3% decline in 2017. Samsung is making two of the 10nm "power chips" that are already shipping at 10nm, while TSMC has both of its 10mn production lines locked up in producing Apple A10 chipsets. 7nm is planned for all future lines, no more 10nm lines go in at ether company. Samsung is not having yield issues with their process, TSMC is rumored to have some yield issues at final test (Apple has very stringent requirements and TSMC has no pathway to use a sub-standard chipset). Apple will sequester bad phone chipsets and use them in tablets if say the gyro component is sub-grade (some tablets don't use gyro functions). Both Samsung and Qualcomm do have open and honest downgrade pathways that can take a substandard chip and sell it "spec'd correctly" for what it can really really do. Right now nobody wants a 20nm chipset, nor a 16nm chipset, and 14nm isn't super popular beyond the mid grade phones. 12nm has been "renamed" 10nm by TSMC, so the TSMC lying specs trick continues unabated. Look to see your 7nm chipset have larger traces and smaller gates, which isn't a bad thing as the chips are more robust when built that way. Voltage is what you should look for, as the out of date stuff will be using 20nm radios, GPS, gyros, etc. etc. and will still be at 5 volts at the battery. Only buy chipsets containing A73 big and A53 little cores produced at 10nm using a 4 volt or LESS battery, or else you are getting shilled a wee bit and may be actually buying year before last's tech. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 01/13/17 at 23:37:13 OF, just to stuff the thread, or whatever, I refer to your posts of December 30th and Jan 1st about Mickeysoft stuffing older computers. I'm still staggering along on Win7 without significant issues for a 67 year old illiterate down here in godzone. I can do most things I do with a PC at a reasonably quick, by my standards, pace. I did note a few, configuring your computer, thingys for a while. They seem to have ceased and desisted of late. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/14/17 at 14:12:58 http://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-plans-lay-2850-more-employees-end-july-2017 MickeySoft has some issues at the moment. They have finished up Win 10 (sorta) but consumers are not flocking to buy large amounts of new Wintel products and both sides of the Wintel alliance are suffering new bouts of shrinkage accordingly. Chromebooks are still positive, and MS is selling top end Surface machines somewhat better, but the rest of PC land is flat to negative. Apple is negative on their PC side as well. This 2,850 shrinkage is just the latest round of job cuts at Microsoft that have been going on for the past two years. It began in mid-2014 when the company announced plans to cut 18,000 of its workers by the end of June 2015. In July 2015, Microsoft revealed another set of job cuts, affecting 7,800 more of its employees. In October, Microsoft confirmed it had made more reductions in its workforce, which were rumored to have affected 1,000 more team members. With May's announcement and today's filing with the SEC, Microsoft has confirmed plans to lay off 4,700 more workers. Part of this is letting go of all the contract programmers it took to rewrite Win 10 so many many times in that last final rewrite year. Part of this is an effect of the shrinking PC / Laptop industry total market pie, in general PC / Laptop has shrunk 5-6% per year for the last 8 years running. This is due to phones and tablets taking over with functionality they never had before. MS aggravates this market shrinkage by killing off its old OS versions by screwing up the OS vs the old hardware by their midnight installed "approved drivers only" (non-functional for the existing old hardware new MS drivers again, of course). We just went through a bout of this this past couple of weeks. Some of this is growth & obsolescence, with the new phone based hardware world making a lot of old software/hardware systems completely obsolete and costing the support personnel at MS their jobs when this becomes apparent to management. For example, see Adobe Flash finish its trip on down the river inside of the next calendar year. https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/18/intel-layoffs/ Intel has its own troubles to deal with. Wearables isn't working out for Intel and that leaves Automotive as the last announced "where do we go now?" for Intel. Internally, Intel has put together a wearables exit layoff strategy and is busy selling off the chunks that can be sold as we speak. Intel's payroll will shrink with each sale of the acquired Wearables companies, and then the residual wearables people will be cropped in a single set of layoffs. Intel is showing some interest in PC again, but having left the market place in Consumer Electronics for over six months --- now Intel is trying to come back into any sort of front runner position ??? :P This return/recovery will be very hard as Intel forfeited a lot business partner confidence by leaving their partners sitting out in the cold and wet just recently. Plus, the partners have been actively working on the replacement ARM chipset conversions for the last 4 months, with new product designs getting ready for production as we speak .... Going back to a more expensive Intel chipset will be neigh on to impossible when your competitors are all shipping naturally less expensive ARM based systems. Intel has already made the first 3 miles of the canoe trip downstream towards irrelevance, and paddling 4 miles back upstream into Consumer Electronics leadership will be Very Hard to do as Intel is currently 2 full lithography generations behind the leaders and a reversal in direction now means first Intel must first be chipping off all those layers of residual ill will and techno-inertia build up. What do you mean, "You can't see the light" ???? We are the world's foremost lighthouse company, what utter nonsense. It is the same light as it has ever been. "We can't see the light" indeed !!!! http://https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f8/e1/86/f8e186aff382ef9c7376e03fdc0979f8.jpg ========================================= TSMC announces USA manufacturing plant plans (to make President Trump all happy). Samsung and various other Apple suppliers are to do likewise. They trust that Trump's import duty threat is indeed a credible threat. Ford and Toyota also agree it is a credible threat and are moving some car production back to the USA accordingly. TSMC 7nm EUV production is planned for later this year, to include three Quad Core A-73 based superchips at first, then phasing on down to 5nm on the same equipment in 2018. Apple production goes off first, followed by others as production lines become available. Movement away from Silicon to Gallium progresses apace with these lithography downsizing moves. ARM is now working on a brand new big core and a brand new little core, each aimed firmly at the 5nm EUV multi-gate-all-around type Gallium laced lithography which is coming in 2018-19. Once again, nothing more will be said on new Cortex designs by ARM until a customer actually releases a product built using those new ARM Cortex designs. Look for a new much more powerful Bifrost G7x graphics system to come out at the same time, with much better graphics output and faster refresh speeds to make up a stronger VR world system that will be living inside each PC strength phone. Good VR looks to be the tech that will drive replacement phone purchases in 2018-19. Look to see the first VR movies to be made in 2019-20. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/15/17 at 23:14:04 http://www.fool.com/investing/2016/10/14/a-potential-blow-to-intel-corporations-foundry-eff.aspx It's bad when the Fiscal Magazines begin to say what I have been saying about Intel. A Potential Blow to Intel Corporation's Foundry Efforts Yes, it does appear that Intel's 10-nanometer technology can potentially deliver slightly smaller chip areas than competing 10-nanometer technologies. However, Intel has completely ignored, at least in its public messaging, the fact that BECAUSE OF THE TIMING its belated 10-nanometer technology will be going up against TSMC's 7-nanometer technology, not TSMC's 10-nanometer technology. As luck would have it, TSMC recently disclosed a key piece of information about its 7-nanometer technology that essentially proves that Intel's lead in chip density is more or less a thing of the past. Yes, the Financial folks agree that Intel has missed the boat on "foundry expertise" and that the phone world has lapped right on past Intel irretrievably by two full generations. They also gently but firmly recommend that they are reversing their long term future forecasts for Intel in favor of TSMC for long term future growth. TSMC has just broken ground for a new plant for 5nm and 3nm EUV production, and Intel is saying in essence when they crank those plants up Intel will just be settling in good at 10nm. Intel isn't being open about its cash flow right now (and it may the lack funds to develop what they need fast enough) but Intel does seem to lack the technical ability to make sufficient progress technologically to keep up with TSMC in the next 5 year window. Intel is being being crippled by its long term "We only use what we invent and patent" mentality, to its great determent. Soon, TSMC will own all the current "EUV production techniques for germanium plus lithography" patents ..... Apple backs TSMC, and Apple buys only a very few items from Intel now at all. Very, very few items. Trump's plans for import duties will help Intel sales some on a few low end items, but it cannot reverse the coming technology inequity which is going to happen no matter what Trump does politically. ======================================= https://liliputing.com/2017/01/report-windows-10-update-will-bring-adaptive-shell-ui-phones-tablets-xbox-devices.html http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/continuum-for-phone.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 TRY TRY TRY AGAIN DEPARTMENT ..... The new adaptive shell, also known as “Composable Shell” or “CSHELL” would be like a more advanced version, with a single shell that displays the appropriate environment for your device type, whether it be an Xbox, HoloLens, phone, tablet, or PC. The new shell is expected to start appearing in upcoming builds of Windows 10, and could pave the way for the long-rumored Surface Phone, which may allow you to run desktop and mobile apps on the same device, depending on how you use it. Looks like MS is gonna try try try again. Literally, this is the third "promised release" of the Windows on a phone idea. First two Windows Phone/PC implementations sorta died on the vine and got dropped by MS. So far Windows requires a $350 HDMI cable box (shown in the picture) in addition to the $700 Win 10 phone to make the trick work. This is on up in laptop pricing land, so obviously it will not move very many Phone/PC units. Android is closing down on the same Phone/PC idea. Google will just put it into the OS as a standard feature and let folks use it for whatever they want to. Along with Bluetooth 5.0 cordless outputs too, so your phone can actually stay in your pocket. Android Phone/PC will cost a lot less to implement compared to MS. Google sells a VR phone holder for your head for $79 and uses a standard USB-C to HDMI cable as the required monitor/keyboard/mouse hook up for the PC/Phone. Or a aftermarket $49 docking station, if you really want 4 extra USB ports (hook up old mice and keyboards) and other fancy stuff depending on the docking station you buy. The phones cost between $300 and $600. Docking stations range from $25 to $150 (if you want larger speakers built into your rig so you can do your music and hear your movies better). Yep, you can use an older Android phone too, with 3 Chinese sellers for the connection hardware to laptop or monitor with the old phone doing rough duty in the VR phone holder headset. Remember, old phones lack the pixel count and the processor/GPU speeds to make VR work very well. This smells sorta low end kludgy, and I wouldn't try an old phone for that reason alone. Me, I'd wait for a new more powerful Android VR ready phone with all the needed guts built in. All of these phones will be $650 top of the line phones when they first come out, then the feature set will go down the line to the midrange phones within a year or so. Plus a primo phone gets dirt cheap on the used phone market in a year or so anyway. ======================================== Android One phones https://liliputing.com/2017/01/low-cost-android-one-phones-may-coming-america-report.html http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/lava-e1484705018443.png?zoom=1.100000023841858&resize=462%2C500&ssl=1 Starting selling in the USA late this summer, intended to replace the old Nexus line up with a multi-vendor supplied "middle of the pack" priced effort on current production upper middle class phones with bone stock Android 7.1.1 installed & backed for 2 years of update / upgrade over the air directly from Google. May be built by Indian vendors who are building them right now for India (they have their agreements in place and are in production right now). Bet these phones will run on Google Fi too. The Google Fi people have been crying out for new processor but less expensive Google Fi phones for the kiddies since they kicked off the family plan thing. Parents didn't want to give a teenager a $600 expensive phone to go break repeatedly ..... Looks like the lower cost Fi phones may be finally coming ...... Likely will be a midrange Snapdragon or upper crust Mediatek processor based, since Mediatek has gotten a lot better and is somewhat more "upper class" lately. BTW, Samsung, Sony and LG are all using Mediatek SOCs for their middle to lower end products now, as Samsung has quit making those classes of chipsets completely as Mediatek has the better product at a lower price. You can still buy the old lower end Snapdragons from Qualcomm, but they will cost you a good bit more than Mediatek charges for a better grade of SOC. Admittedly, Qualcomm's radios are still better, but not by a killing amount and not enough to be a deal breaker in any case. ;) Mediatek and Kirin are the up and coming chipsets, better cost and similar to same real world performance |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/22/17 at 10:25:00 http://pocketnow.com/2016/07/28/microsoft-staff-cuts-fy2017 Microsoft staff cuts grow to 4,700 for the next year New Microsoft Job Cuts The company is now expected to announce an additional 700 job cuts when it reports its quarterly earnings next week, according to a new report from Business Insider. ======================================= Microsoft is letting go all existing people whose skill sets do not align with the future vision that the company has right now along with any Sales and Marketing not involved in the future pathway. Issue is the "future pathway" keeps changing all the time ...... so a cut and build strategy always cuts some of the wrong people as it it never up to date on the needed skills to build upon (oops, future pathway just shifted again).. For example, many of the contract programmers who supported the Win10 push are now headed for the street in abrupt moves to cut the company's payroll to get it in line with income flows. A bad quarter signals more cuts, instantly. And MS's "next big plan" keeps on shifting. EXAMPLE: So far MS's customers have shown an unwillingness to go to monthly or yearly service contracts for an OS they had already PAID FULL PRICE FOR. Most of these folks were actually forced to take upgrades when they had an older version that had service spans with 5 to 7 years yet to go on them. Remember, MS forced an upgrade on these customers while promising "it would remain free of charge". However, the ongoing outflows to upkeep the Win10 system are putting a financial strain on MS's Windows Division, and it is reacting with more people cuts (the easiest quickest way to show financial "improvements" to Wall Street). ======================================== MS is now saying that any older MS OS version that is supported by a commercial maintenance plan may be upgraded to Windows 10 as a part of the ongoing maintenance agreement. Specifically, the XP systems that customers have been paying extra for "post life span support". Let me translate for you === We just let go all your maintenance support staff for your old MS OS software. Whether it matches up at all hardware requirement-wise or not, you now have to go automatically over to Win 10 (and you take the gamble that your drivers will all work out for you ......) Folks, remember when MS said Win 10 simply wouldn't work on the old equipment? They were either lying back then or else they are lying right now and these 'supported people' are all going to take it in the neck. These are hospitals, clinics, doctor's offices, banks, government offices, etc. etc. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/22/17 at 11:15:25 I just can't understand why such a profitable business has to so willingly screw it's customer base. Good thing Gates is a screaming librul or the lefties would call them out on their rapacious ways. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/22/17 at 13:14:36 Justin, Microsoft and Intel suffer from the same basic issue --- they are in a shrinking world. No matter what they say or plans that they cook up, mobile in general removes 5-8% of their total business pie annually. Chromebooks will eat some more, simply by growing relatively "faster" each year as well. Windows 10 was a desperation play, stacking all of MS's old eggs into one "new" basket. It permitted MS to claim "growth" by tossing all the past 12 years into the "world of Win10". Sad news is that play is played out now --- reality comes around at last and MS is cutting people to keep their financial results up to par. ======================================= Prediction Time: MS will have to force you to pay yearly maintenance fees within about 12 months from now. This shot will have to be called when remaining personnel levels get so depleted they simply can't keep the windmill tilling any more. MS will threaten to drop the whole OS thing and roll over into being a cloud provider or one of their other few existing profitable businesses by cutting OS support off as a bad deal if you don't agree to pay them yearly maintenance. I am not the only one that sees this coming. Read this (written from a tech writer's perspective) and see where he sees some of the same things coming from his point of view. http://www.techrepublic.com/article/open-source-predictions-for-2017/ ::) ..... yepper, Linux distros are growing at a 2x rate, expected to shift to 3x by year's end, which is yet another nibble on MS's toes. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/22/17 at 13:35:45 Thanks for focusing my thinking. I'm stuck in the Old Days. Even though I know WE no longer have a desktop.. and I am sure that we are not alone in taking a mobile device and calling it good. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/22/17 at 23:08:37 Have I mentioned that having a MS boot sector on your machine anywhere causes your machine to be counted strictly as a MS machine in all the common net-based roll ups? My Win10 gaming partition means that I am counted as a MickeySoft user ...... although I only light the partition a few times a year just to see what it going to do this time. So, what does this mean about Linux distros doubling to tripling inside this upcoming year? Just think of it as registering the number of old equipment users who are COMPLETELY ABANDONING the Windows World at a particular point in time ...... Yep, you have to reformat your entire hard drive into a Linux format to stop from being counted as a Windows machine and have it be counted as Linux instead. Eventually, somebody is going to give out real honest data on OS usage numbers and percentages. Data that counts electronic devices of all sorts impartially, and states what runs which OS right now. ie data that MS does not pay for :-/ .... did you notice that Chromebooks still don't even exist on most MS sponsored OS charts? ---- huh ? ..... ======================================= Did you know that Mormons use Linux almost exclusively ???? I didn't know that ..... Californicators kinda do too, which is ..... sorta weird. Makes the data smell "kinda doubtful" doesn't it? Russia, yes it has a non-Mickeysoft policy in place. ???? India ???? http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/08/21/linux-popularity-across-the-globe/ http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3100/2780600959_5e8e7bef99_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/2780600817_aa8c88d847_o.jpg |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/25/17 at 03:42:21 Newest trend from Lenovo and Asus The exact same hardware is available now in several new models, same processor, same memory -- all of the same exact stuff, but one uses Chrome0S and one uses Windows 10. As of this spring, you can have the same softwares on both platforms as all major software vendors have a net-based program that opens operates and closes both new and existing files and uses an internally consistent system to work on those files. Same Same now extends to all the major Adobe graphics programs, AutoCad programs, and about half of the database group of separate-installed programs. These all also have Android local loaded software available which are actually faster than the net based versions. HOWEVER ...... the Chromebook machine still generally costs $100 less than a Window machine. And comes stock with the touchscreen and the non-powered "eraser equipped" stylus for capturing hand notes, items that can cost extra on the Windows machines. Hardware is not the issue any more, nor is "program availability". Now the issues are coming down to which one you really want to have to live with? ChromeOS is free and most main programs are free and Google requires Chromebook consistent standards so to get the machine listed by Google that mean the trackpad and mouse and keyboard all have to be up to snuff. Microsoft machines tend to cut corners on these input devices to make sure there is sufficient money left to pay MS's rather substantial cut for use of the Win10 OS system. Chromebooks running on pre-approved hardware are consistently lightning fast even as they get some age on them -- Win 10 is simply constantly getting slower and more kludgy even when installed on significantly stronger hardware. We are now in the year of the final showdown, as both camps have finished their final moves and are now putting out the candidates for the final OS vs OS slugfests. Look to see new moves by Google inside 12 months to put the new ChromeOS on tablets, and perhaps on a phone or two (look for a rename of the Andromeda software mass that is being used in all these products when the first PC capable phone comes out). Processor lithography is now firmly an ongoing advantage for Chromebook as this year 7nm and then 5nm rolls out for ARM processors and only a very limited number of 10nm Intel processors will actually be built, and these will tend to be for Apple production with only the sorted culls going anywhere else. :P Also look for a wave off off lease Chromebooks to come out from the school systems that are upgrading (the ones that the students don't get to keep as part of some educational program or another). These will lack a touch screen, but will wind up being jest dandy little Linux notebooks and will move over to Europe quick like bunny rabbits just like the original Chromeboxes did when they got a little older. =================================================== http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/01/11/apple-loses-more-ground-googles-chromebook-education-market/78323158/ Apple loses more ground to Chromebooks! context is Apple vs MS vs Google in Classroom Education “It's a tidal wave: Chrome is the clear U.S. market leader now,” says Mike Fisher, associate director of education technology at Futuresource. He says districts are drawn to the Chromebook’s Web-based operating system, ease of use, IT manageability and $200 to $300 price range. Microsoft reacts by building a $200-$300 slower, lesser spec'd Win10 machine at several favored builders and MS feebly makes attempts to re-inter the education market. Not much traction on this effort as of yet ..... MS calls it Intune for Education and one of the items not answered yet is "Who pays for all the AT COST additional third party software that have to be included in this program" (stuff that is completely free on existing Chromebook systems). Maintenance costs for year 2 and 3 on Intune for Education systems is also not clear at this time, either. Apple flounders around a bit more yet again, doing nothing significant (until Intel can do something useful for a Mac processor, anyway). The Apple designed A-11 four core processor is getting finalized for production in 2017, and that may be Apple's real answer to "What to do about Chromebooks" and for making up a lower cost Apple consumer laptop as well. ======================================== http://media.bestofmicro.com/F/R/647271/gallery/GalaxyS8.iPhone-Crash_YouTube_w_755.png This is PC expert source Tomsguide.com saying this, not some fly by night android site. The Internet is full of this news in various flavors, so I think it is real this time. http://www.tomsguide.com/us/galaxy-s8-desktop-dock,news-24340.html Tom's Hardware says Samsung Galaxy S8 Could Morph Into Full PC Samsung Galaxy S8, swinging the Qualcomm 835 superchip and 6-8 gigs of system memory and a docking station that may (or may not) add yet more systems memory and\or storage memory. If you want a cell phone only, the minimum configuration of 6 gigs of systems memory and 32 gigs of storage is plenty strong enough. If you are buying the DeX docking system to use your phone as your PC, well you may opt to double up more systems and storage memory along with getting your DeX docking station delivered in the same box as your new phone with all the features set up and working already. Yes, look for Google to be giving some new names to some old stuff as in 3 short months (April/May) they are going to deliver a working Phone/PC system as implemented by their long-time partner, Samsung. This is something Wintel has failed to do three years in a row now (promises, promises, promises). I look for these first shots from the Android Phone/PC to be relatively expensive, but by 2019-20 all the mid-line phones will have it as a natural part of the stock feature set. Docks will be available third party as they are now for other Android phones. Docks are needed because most monitors are HDMI connections and you need some extra USB ports for mouse, keyboard, etc. etc. When Google puts out the dock specs you will see much lower cost docks come out from Logitech and from the various Far Eastern suppliers. ::) Will Samsung's very first Phone PC be perfect in all details ??? Nope, not likely -- it is the first shot out of the very first gun. However, you can count on Google to fix all these discovered issues by the time Oreo Cookie (Android 8.0 or whatever they call the thing) makes it into full release status next year. And like Dreamscape VR, you can count on the Google system to be much less expensive to buy and to operate compared to anything that comes from Microsoft. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/28/17 at 04:55:40 http://www.zdnet.com/article/why-microsoft-is-turning-into-an-open-source-company/ http://www.pcworld.com/article/2905302/open-source-windows-the-unthinkable-is-already-happening-says-microsoft.html What we don't figure into our thinking is that MS pays out royalties and license fees to a plethora of other old companies in order to support Window's ability to run on old systems. This costs money, lots of money. MS isn't making any serious money off of Windows 10 -- giving it away for free, then failing to make the "paid yearly maintenance fee" thing work means that Win 10 costs the profitable parts of MS roughly a billion dollars per quarter. Face it, new computer sales are flat to negative all the time now, there IS no big income flow from Windows PCs. .... So, if MS can dump support for the legacy stuff then MS can pocket that billion $$$ per quarter that it costs them to keep the old Win mill turning Prediction Time: Mickeysoft will turn Win 10 over to open source within 5 years, disavow any responsibility to existing prepaid customers for any legacy support by doing so and by doing so shift all MS manning and efforts totally over to their cloud/server room stuff which is where they are making all their money. MS is good at this now, having dumped all responsibility for Win 7 and Win 8 by doing this very same trick. Or else they will split the company into two parts and let their irate customers sue the Win 10 portion out of existence when they shut it down and give it to open source. MS will still try to hang on to the Office softwares somehow as they still make some $$ for each new installed implementation, both in consumer and in the business world. Office per se is still both desirable and profitable. Office for Android (local loaded) is out now, as is Office for Chromebooks (accessed on-line). ======================================== Now that ChromeOS and Chromebooks are considered "Real PCs" and with the next Android flavor that any upper crust phone can be a desktop at will --- how will the market share thing be doing ???? Whatever they call it, Android 8.0 and up will swing an 85+ percent Phone/PC new product sales market share coming out of the gate. And, considering that Android is still open source (after a 1-2 year delay in development and implementation so Google can finish it before releasing it) then Open Source will swing a 90+ something percent market share of all computing new product sales right out of the gate ... .... remember, all Android phones count as PC level computing devices from this spring going on forward ..... ::) .... but not if MS is footing the bill for the survey. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/30/17 at 12:57:46 http://heidicohen.com/2016-mobile-marketing-trends/ If you want, you can read this site all the way to the end and see exactly why everybody pays a LOT of attention to India and China phone markets and pay practically no attention to the USA phone market. The vast bulk of new unit phone sales will primarily be in India, Indonesia, and China. The USA market is just an oversaturated "upgrade/update" market and we will be seen as a derivative market to the main markets, picking up only on the 'deluxe items' from the main markets. If you pay attention to this woman, you would drop all PC based structured marketing immediately and aim directly at "thumb/voice marketing" which structured for mobile devices. ::) ..... and humorously if you ever read MS's market prognostications or sales info, please do note that phones and Chromebooks still don't exist AT ALL, anywhere ..... In MS's world view, only PCs exist, and only Wintel and Apple ones at that .... and in MS's focused world Apple is their only competitor. ======================================== https://liliputing.com/2017/02/microsofts-rumored-windows-10-cloud-operating-system.html MS makes a brand new "old move" -- brings back the netbook except this time running Win 10 Cloud and running ARM based chipsets. Software is limited to some "Universal Apps" and these few can be bought only from the MS store. It comes "ready to go" with basic softwares supposedly. Second year requires a maintenance plan though, so it isn't really FREE like a Chromebook nor are there millions and millions of apps for it, either. Quite sparse on the app front, actually, as it only runs certain classes of Universal apps from the MS store. ;) So using ARM chipsets are MS's new path forward on the mid to lower end of things. :-/ .... betcha it runs kinda slow when it cranks up all them bulky x386 softwares .... ======================================== https://liliputing.com/2017/02/amds-ryzen-chips-may-support-windows-7-unlike-intel-kaby-lake.html AMD also makes a new move with the new Rysen Chipsets --- you can install your old Win 7 and Win 8 and not get trapped inside the MS OS trap by doing so. Intel (who drank the lock'em out koolaid) is greatly damaged by this move unless they take action to immediately do likewise. I am sure Intel is jest thrilled to death by both of these moves by old friends and old competitors. But again, Intel had told everybody that they were quitting Consumer Electronics completely and had actually gone and done that for 3 months before trying to come back from the dead. ::) Surprise, they took you at your word. You are the walking dead .... ========================================= More rumblings about Apple using more of their own chipsets instead of relying on Intel chipsets, starting right now this season and starting out in a "co-processor" mode at first, picking up functionality as the seasons roll by but immediately making Macs more competitive by using BOTH an Intel and an Apple chipset paired up to make up a "superior computing solution". ARM chipsets have done this before on top of the line HP XP based laptops, ARM acted as a co-processor for video and for music. Was needed on long trans-Atlantic and trans-Pacific flights as the laptop battery wouldn't last long enough other-wise while watching a movie or two. This time Apple is doing it because Intel isn't making any year on year performance improvements on the chipsets they are selling to Apple and Apple flat out NEEDS a co-processor to get some performance boosts that Apple fans are flat out demanding (and are leaving Mac in droves to go get elsewhere). There is a design team in Apple working on a 100% Apple chipset, this team has been in place for over a year now. Intel's temporary quitting earlier this year may have been based on knowing their customers were leaving them anyway .... now they are having to attempt to make a return from the dead and to overcome the ongoing partner plans to replace them. ======================================== More New News on the same theme ..... Intel is now planning on putting out their very best CPU mated with a separate AMD brand GPU unit (two big separate chip sets on the same daughter board). ::) This is to have something to kinda sorta compete against AMD's Rysen line of SOC chipsets which are shipping RIGHT NOW (better, more complete faster throughput Rysen chipsets that sell for less $$$) and to perhaps to have SOMETHING to offer to Apple to get them (please, pretty please) to stop with the Apple ARM replacement team's plans to ship something more appealing using Apple ARM co-processors later on this year. Intel is really feeling the pinch, believe me :-/ they didn't even make a quiet wet splat sound when they hit the Internet of Things this past Fall and Christmas (and Intel has already taken some of the write offs and people layoffs necessary to end that expensive fiasco). Intel isn't going to take anybody's market away from them at this level of non-performance. Intel is not doing anything much better in self-driving automotive areas, but Intel hasn't given up on that rapidly growing automotive market quite yet either. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 02/04/17 at 19:56:01 Apple, AMD, Microsoft, everybody but Intel has embraced using ARM chipsets either as replacements or as co-processors on the path to getting some incremental performance improvements. Once again, pride and "not invented here" are the things that block Intel's thinking yet still again. Intel is still stalled dead in the water processor performance-wise. (read the previous compilation post right above this one to see what has changed in the last week) ======================================= New items: Nvidia recommends not buying newest Intel I-7 chipsets, say they offer no real advantages when used in gaming. This is backed up by Gamespot, who has tested the both of the new Intel I-7 chipsets and find that all the extra money spent buys NO REAL CHANGE in performance at all. (a minor energy savings is all) Newest news: Price of the Ryzen AMD chipsets with equivalent performance levels to Intel I-7 is one third as much money. Yes, $400 vs $1,200 per unit. It is being said you could build an entire AMD Ryzen gaming rig for less $$$ than the Intel chipset would cost you. So, Intel takes it up the shorts yet again for exaggerating their new products specs AND for strongly overpricing their newest products. ======================================= https://liliputing.com/2017/02/microns-quantx-3d-xpoint-storage-coming-late-2017-will-challenge-intel-optane.html Some new "Breaking News on 3D-XPoint systems memory" ...... this time from the folks who actually invented it. It goes on sale this month from Micron and it looks good, even if it will be very expensive at first. Samsung is working on their version of it, as are all the memory companies and hard drive companies. This tech spells "done" to all the platter hard drives out there in use as primary OS and primary program storage. Platter drives do still have a purpose for storing data and files that are only used very occasionally, but for your operating system and your constantly used files you need to be using the new 3D-XPoint technology as it is so very very much faster. http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/3d-xpoint.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 ;) Using this new tech will make MS seem much quicker, until it is compared against other OS systems using the same technology. More new stuff will be bought because of this new memory than anything MS or Intel have done in the past 10 years. ======================================== Two more large Taiwanese and Chinese phone makers have chosen to license the ARM Holdings stock Octa-core A-73 big and A-53 little 64 bit SOCs and have placed their first orders at 10nm with TSMC. This is big news because it says that Mediatek and Qualcomm just functionally lost one third of their China volume in just one year. It also says full Phone/PC capability is coming to mid-line to upper Chinese phones inside a year's time. MediaTek, Samsung, Huawei, and Xiaomi all are building licensed variants of the A-73 big core and they all are already shipping variants of the A-53 small core. It also says that more phone makers have the ability to diversify into Chromebooks as a quad core A-73 "open source" reference design is already listed by Google and there is a "pre-approved" published list of motherboard and component sources that are pre-approved for a A-73 based quad core Chromebook. The quad core A-73 is plenty strong enough to run either Win 10 lite or ChromeOS, so look to see a definitive OS contest to develop next year over the use of these chipsets. ARM and Google are making more powerful ARM based stuff easily doable within the next 2 years. When paired with the new fast memory, the resulting systems will outperform any Wintel system out there today by a factor of at least 3x .... with a lot of the perceived speed bump coming from the new memory type being completely "written into the system" on the newest ARM SOC designs. Main stream news is now hooting about Intel re-starting Fab 42 up as their future 7nm production facility and spending 100 billion on that future pathway. First, this is just the "future pathway of the week" for Intel, and it is the exact same plant that was supposed to make 14nm products when the slab was first poured. Then it was the future home for 10nm Intel production. Now the new buzzword is 7nm .... Next, the newest time frame is said to be 5 years from now -- a geological age considering Intel doesn't have a "shippable" 10nm process yet and everyone else starts shipping their 7nm SOCs next year for real. Also, Intel still hasn't brought forth a SOC product that they could actually sell by the time they got it up and running -- nobody wanted it when it came out because it was over a year "obsolete" at the starting line. Can anybody say "SOFia" three times fast ??? ::) But it made Trump happy as Intel said it at his meeting with him and all the other "Tech Giants". |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 02/12/17 at 22:41:34 Intel sets off the BS brown vapor cannon barrage yet again today A week after loudly touting their "new move to 10nm starting up next year", Intel now is saying they are restarting up their abandoned Arizona Fab 42 plant (an empty shell building) as a new 100 billion dollar state of the art 7nm plant (to open up by 2021-22). Why? Both TSMC, Global Foundry and Samsung are shipping their 10nm products right now and have plans to start up with the first 7nm Apple shipments late this year. So of course Intel has change over to use the current buzz phrases no matter if it writes BS on what they said just last week. Then the next day Intel proudly goes and announce that the 8th generation of Intel processors is to start up "soon" at 14nm. This is the fourth (or is it the 5th ???) full line up of 14nm processors to come out of the Intel chipset inkjet labelers. It has gotten so bad that the computing press and Nvidia of all people are all now saying to gamers "Don't go buy the new i7 Intel processor -- you are paying extra for NO REAL CHANGE in chipset performance levels". AMD is now shipping their Ryzen chipsets built at 10nm by Global Foundry ---- so of course Intel has to release a new huge brown vapor blast AT ONCE in self-defense. AMD's product costs about half of what Intel wants for a competitive chipset, but the Intel unit is not really nearly as complete while the AMD system on a chip IS much more complete, but still not as complete as a Qualcomm 835 SOC. Accordingly, motherboard costs on the AMD motherboards are about half of Intel boards will cost since AMD has put a lot more functionality into the chipset itself. And the Qualcomm motherboard can be simple and very tiny indeed. Cell phone sized, as a matter of fact ..... ;) Intel is now saying "their 14nm is really 10nm" if was measured and reported the same way that TSMC and Samsung reports it. Oh, I guess this explains why Intel's not really an SOC at all is actually 5-6 times larger than the penny sized Qualcomm 835 fully functional SOC that is being shipped right now at 10nm. :-? Hey, if this is so then why doesn't your Intel stuff run faster than it does ??? ::) http://https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f8/e1/86/f8e186aff382ef9c7376e03fdc0979f8.jpg .... yeah, we will just hold on at 14nm for a few more years, heck, we're good for a while yet .... ================================================== http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/ryzen-sandra.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 First mid-line Ryzen chipset comes out of the gate beating the performance of all but 8 of the most expensive Intel i-7 chipsets, but at less than half the cost per unit. Remember, the Ryzen is unlocked, and can be tuned by either the PC maker or the enthusiast for slightly greater performance. Spotted by wccftech, the benchmark scores come courtesy of PassMark, a set of tests looking at performance under a range of resource intensive tasks. According to those test results, the upcoming 3.4 GHz AMD Ryzen 7 1700X octa-core chip gets an overall score that’s only 9 percent lower than Intel’s Core i7-6900K processor, and 4 percent lower than the Core i7-5960X. In some individual tests, the Ryzen chip actually scores higher than either of those 8-core Intel chips. As wccftech points out though, the Ryzen 7 1700X isn’t even expected to be the fastest chip in AMD’s lineup. The company also has a 3.6 GHz Ryzen 7 1800X processor on the way. Probably the most impressive things about the benchmarks? AMD’s chip has a 95 watt TDP, compared with Intel’s 140 watt chips. And Intel charges $1000 or more for those processors, while rumor has it that AMD will charge less than $400 for the 1700X chip. It is expected that Intel will have to drastically lower their prices in the near future as each AMD unit sold puts another nail in their "the dead should lie still" coffin. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 02/21/17 at 09:19:02 https://liliputing.com/2017/02/remix-singularity-will-let-use-android-phones-desktop-pcs-work-progress.html http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/remix-sing_03.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 Jide is in that odd position again, they are once again acting as a pilot fish for Google's new Andromeda OS and are proving out large screen feature sets and "overall desirability" of the resulting Android Phone/PC mash up. Pilot fish Jide can have a little bobble or a flaw or two, but whatever Jide discovers from their customer feedback magically gets fixed in the Google stuff before Google puts it out in any real fashion. Once again though, Google will only come out on brand new premium hardware only, while Jide will do the trick on any type C plugged "ready to go" phone, which is the last 2-3 generations of mid-to-premium phones. Orientals are in general more price conscious than Americans and are interested in big screening with what they got, not spending beau-coup more money for a slightly faster throughput service. And face it, we have all had slower PCs than our current phone is whenever it comes to web searches, forum chatting, etc. etc. ======================================= Further information on the Remix Pro laptop that is being put out using the more refined Remix OS software https://liliputing.com/2017/02/jide-remix-pro-tablet-hits-fcc-ahead-us-launch.html ======================================= New Stinky Brown Vapor News ...... Intel says their 3DxPoint fast memory will only be supported by the very latest and greatest (overpriced and under-performing) class of i7 Intel processors AND it will only run using the very most current version of Win10 .... :P typical Wintel BS .... you can bet AMD and Micron will not be so picky about it the fast memory stuff or the supporting driver packages for other OS versions. And MS chipped in their very own little stinky smear of brown yucky stuff as well. Sniff ... Sniff .... Isn't life just grand inside the Wintel Walled Garden ???? http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/win32-block.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 02/28/17 at 03:53:37 http://wccftech.com/intel-amd-price-war-ryzen-processors/ Aside from firing off the big BROWN STINKY VAPOR cannons repeatedly of late, Intel has actually cut their pricing strongly because of AMD's entry into the world of competitive gaming machines. This list can be read as the amount Intel considers their own products to be using "gouge pricing" at the current moment in time. Intel Core i7-6950X ($1599 US) – $300 Price Cut Intel Core i7-6900K ($999 US) – $200 Price Cut Intel Core i7-6850K ($549 US) – $150 Price Cut Intel Core i7-6800K ($359 US) – $140 Price Cut Intel Core i7-5820K ($319 US) – $100 Price Cut Intel Core i7-7700K ($299 US) – $80 Price Cut Intel Core i7-6700K ($259 US) – $140 Price Cut Intel Core i7-4790K ($279 US) – $90 Price Cut Intel Core i7-7700 ($289 US) – $50 Price Cut Intel Core i7-6700 (259 US) – $90 Price Cut Intel Core i5-7600K ($199 US) – $70 Price Cut Intel Core i5-6600K ($179 US) – $$90 Price Cut Intel Core i5-4690K ($189 US) – $70 Price Cut Intel Core i5-7500 ($189 US) – $30 Price Cut Intel Core i5-6500 ($179 US) – $50 Price Cut Intel Core i5-4590 ($159 US) – $60 Price Cut Intel Core i3-7350K ($159 US) – $20 Price Cut Intel Core i3-7100 ($114 US) – $15 Price Cut Intel Core i3-6100 ($109 US) – $20 Price Cut Intel G4400 ($49.99 US) – $20 Price Cut Intel G3258 ($49.99 US) – $27 Price Cut These cuts are not enough to regain any real price/value parity as AMD's motherboards, coolers, systems memory, etc. etc. are all much cheaper than what is required for Intel's latest processor variants. PLUS THE VERY NEWEST INTEL BASED BOARDS WILL REQUIRE THE VERY MOST CURRENT WIN 10 VERSION TO WORK AT ALL, SO ADD $150 TO THE PRICE OF THE INTEL BASED GAMING BUILD. Plus, all software MUST be purchased from the Windows store to work at all .... Intel has still not supplied any unlocked variants of their chipsets that will easily permit enthusiast overclocking as is CURRENTLY BUILT INTO all the new Ryzen chipsets from AMD. Enthusiasts are finding a whole lot of head room in Ryzen chipsets, 4.0 gigahertz speeds are very possible right now with all the Ryzens shipped so far (when water cooled that is). Intel is in a world of hurt at the moment and is encouraging the vendor based dumping of all existing stocks of finished Wintel units just as fast as can be feasibly done ....... saying to their loyal vendor base "if you don't move them quick right now you will have to discount the hell out of them to move them at all". This also hints at new generations of better performing Wintel stuff is "somewhere" in the pipeline as well. Apple is building up some "development test" MAC units using Ryzen chipsets, testing this and that in their always curious Apple type fashion. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/02/17 at 11:28:58 We have mentioned that phone chips can now run ChromeOS devices (this isn't news, really) but what is news is that mainline Linux distros are starting to support phone chip devices now too. What kind of minimum phone chipset is needed? Quad core 64 bit A53 and A57chipsets from Allwinner and Rockchip from last 2 years are the bottom end of what can be supported right now, but this means my 2 year old cell phone actually carries a chipset that can be supported by a Linux distro right now too, and that phone really isn't all that shabby speedwise using Android either. Really, for most common tasks it is pretty durn quick. So, what is the new bottom end of the brand new Linux open source stuff look like nowadays? $89 for an 11" laptop, a spendy $99 for a larger 14" screen. https://liliputing.com/2017/03/pre-release-pinebook-spotted-in-the-wild-89-linux-laptop.html Pinebook spotted in the wild ($89 Linux laptop) ..... remember One Laptop per Child Program, when it struggled to put out a $200 tablet device with a plug in keyboard ...... http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/pinebook_002.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 The Pinebook features an Allwinner A64 ARM Cortex-A53 quad-core 64-bit processor. It also has 2GB of RAM, 16GB of eMMC 5.0 storage, 802.11n WiFi, Bluetooth 4.0, two USB 2.0 ports, a mini HDMI jack, and a microSD card slot. Pine64 will offer two models: an 11.6 inch version with an $89 price tag and a $99 model with a 14 inch screen. Both HD displays. While the official spec sheet for the laptop says it features a 1280 x 720 pixel IPS display, the Linux Sunxi site says the current version actually has a 1366 x 768 pixel TN screen. It’s unclear if that will change in the final design. Also according to Linux Sunxi, 11.6 inch Pinebook measures about 11.8[ch8243] x 7.9[ch8243] x 0.9[ch8243] while the larger version is 13.9[ch8243] x 9.2[ch8243] x 0.9[ch8243]. The number of people who are willing to use Linux machines are increasing dramatically lately as Mickeysoft screws over their customer base time and time and time again in futile attempts to get the faithful to buy something new and expensive from the Walled Garden Store. People are also realizing that most all OLD DECREPIT DEAD Windows machines will run a Linux variant very very nicely indeed, bringing them back from the grave so to speak to a new full functional life span again. Meanwhile, Google seems content to put the new Andromeda code mass out into all their various venues and just to keep on calling it whatever it is currently being called --- it is suspected no renaming will be done until the Andromeda code is running well and is functionally completely supported everywhere, then the roll out of a new name may happen IF Google thinks the current brand names are not really adequate any more. "Chromebook" and "Android" are actually pretty strong brand names in the minds of consumers right now. Given that current phone chips from low end to top end can now run ChromeOS (or a Linux variant) as they sit right now says that Intel and MS may have a really rough row to hoe trying to force people to upgrade to those expensive ~$2000~ new Wintel units. You do realize that with the Jide / Google tricks out there for all Android units (tablets included) this means that you can light up a large monitor, mouse and keyboard with most of the devices that you already own ???? ======================================= What about Mickeysoft repeatedly saying that Win 10 will run on ARM chipsets and that is their plan for "defeating" Google Chromebooks and ARM? Not much is happening, actually. Qualcomm's 835 still isn't up and running on Win 10 yet and Mediatek flatly says that what they have seen out of MickeySoft doesn't look like it is ever gonna fly any more than Windows RT did. MS also keeps giving out the $1500-$2000 price points for their proposed ARM based Win 10 products -- this is way way out of line with reality. http://news.softpedia.com/news/mediatek-says-no-to-windows-10-arm-because-it-s-a-risky-idea-513436.shtml http://www.computerworld.com/article/3175031/windows-pcs/mediatek-will-sit-out-the-arm-race-for-windows-pcs.html What has become clearer to those relatively few ARM producers that actually looked into it is that Windows 10 will run only as an EMULATION and that is all the meager substance that Mickeysoft really has to offer at this point in time. There is no real software at all right now, anyway. Mickeysoft's brown vapor emulation code is still not even written for that one Qualcomm chipset yet. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/04/17 at 14:04:41 Google Personal Digital Assistant It is now coming to most newer phones running Android 6.0 or better. What is it? Magnify "OK Google" with a real AI, one that knows you and is faithfully your servant. You can summon it by voice or by tapping the dots, then just blither out what sort of thing you are looking for. It will un-blither it and do it, or it will remind you and navigate you to do it. Your personal AI will have a set of "you" files on Google's servers and your own personalized AI will answer you when you talk to it. Example, my earbuds on my bike have a microphone in the cord. While running down the road I say the summons words"Hey Dumbie, navigate to Cheoah Point Campground, Robbinsville, NC." and the map pops up on the handlebar phone mount and the turn by turn instructions begin in my ear which means I don't have to strain to read the tiny print on a little screen bouncing around in the handlebar holder as I pay close attention to them crazy cagers. Dumbie has a set of vocal files and personalized terms and such that means he can understand me even if my wife couldn't figure it out. Just that easy ..... .... and in the future I could say, "cabin #2" or something as mind blank as "that cabin thing up near Robbinsville" and Dumbie would still go find it. Because, you see, Dumbie really isn't a dumbie at all and no matter how brain faded I get to be in the future I will still be able to get there. Women use this to keep up with their grocery lists by location. Old men use it to find out what the heck they were just doing. "Remind me to pick up sandwich and snack bags when I go to Aldi's". You go to Aldi's and you get a pop up reminder. "Remind me to pick up chicken on sale at Kinlaw's meat market next Tuesday" Tuesday, you get a pop up reminder about the chicken on sale at Kinlaw's. Inside Walmart, you can ask Dumbie where something is and he will walk map you right to it (yes, larger retailers have live location maps of what is where inside their stores). Also please note, your Personal Assistant is keyed both to your voice and to the summons name, so that you can supposedly use it from ANY Google equipped device. I supposedly can pick up my wife's phone and say "This is Kelly --- Dumbie where is the nearest place we can buy a Ruben sandwich" and my Dumbie will answer me. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/06/17 at 06:44:11 Let's talk world shifting your world view --- something that MS is avoiding at all costs --- but that has to come to pass this year. Look at this chart, it simply says that Android has simply outgrown and outmassed MS completely even though MS took all of its last 10 years of stuff and piled it all up together in to Win 10. remember to click on the Screenshot line directly below this to see the chart more clearly |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/06/17 at 06:47:25 Next, let's try to capture Chromebooks, that invisible "other OS" category that MS hates so much they pay money to the survey the houses to keep it invisible and unnamed. For example, the Linux guys say there are twice as many Chrome devices extant right now than Linux devices. This means a vague 3-5% of the total size of computing market share -- but doubled ???? A 10% Chromebook market share number seems to resonate with other sources and 10% may be as good a shot as we can call right now until people begin to report these things more openly and honestly. Now mentally stack the olive green line on top of the light green line and call it "Andromeda" or whatever else Google finally names their new code mass. Point being that MS isn't really #1 in any section of computing any more .... and sooner or later folks are going to recognize this fact and regroup how things get listed in lists like these. remember to click on the Screenshot line directly below this to see full sized chart |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/09/17 at 19:24:45 This is the second article written on MediaTek's leaking of ARM's 7nm secrets ahead of time, so this 12 core thing is gaining believably with very new story that is posted. MediaTek is working on a 7nm, 12-core chip to go lapping on past Qualcomm http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/mediatek.jpg?w=520&ssl=1 MediaTek’s planned 12-core chips, meanwhile, will likely use three groups of four cores each. 4 ARM Cortex-A73 cores Heavy grunt work, heavy duty processing 4 ARM Cortex-A53 cores Moderate workloads 4 ARM Cortex-A35 cores Light duty (minor constant on) stuff MediaTek already holds license for these core designs, so putting them together along with their custom "intelligent workload balancing" controller chipset would be a very doable thing for MediaTek. WHAT WILL MALI GRAPHICS HAVE TO DO "NEAT AND NEW" TO FULLY SUPPORT GAMING ON THIS LEVEL OF CPU ??? THIS IS A SERIOUS SERIOUS QUESTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME ..... as is the improved VR support and the enlarged faster memory storage that will be required by Google's new phone PC thing as well. Kicker is that the final chipset still will be a third smaller than current MediaTek chipsets are physically and will pull a third less energy to provide even yet better improved battery life. Computing throughput Power will go up 30% (Intel i5 range) as well, plus since they are the newest A73 big cores the higher the new throughput level will not drop away as the chipset gets warmed up thermally. ======================================= Remember, 7nm marks the current "end spot" developmentally for germanium laced materials and EUV lithography, but TSMC does have plans for a new 5nm proprietary process based on what they learned at 10nm and during 7nm "At Risk" Apple chip production (which is ongoing as we speak). Apple intends to have some serious "advantage" both next year and for the following two years as well ...... Yo, Qualcomm and Samsung -- pay good attention this time round the barn to whatever TSMC is doing that is brand spanky new -- IBM and Apple are cooperating on 5nm at TSMC with Apple footing the R&D bills. TSMC and MediaTek are shooting for a real, concrete, serious leader position this time around the barn. Intel isn't even in the stadium any more at all at this stage of the game -- heck, they haven't even changed their buzzwords yet. ======================================= https://liliputing.com/2017/03/google-releases-chrome-57-webassembly.html Big Four Major Browsers agree on a new technology/methodology for Gaming on-line (and all of them implement it at the same time, ie right now) http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/webassembly2.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 Cruxt seems to be that the brower's cloud servers run all the heavy lifting and your Chromebook or phone just sends the stuff to your buffered screen at 30-60 frames per second and your device takes all your commands and actions locally, so you see no gross lags anywhere while gaming. That's the theory, anyway. The whole scene won't change super fast, but the games should be designed to show the same scene for a bit without requiring huge amounts of perspective changes. Gaming is moving over to the web, in other words. VR ready phone hardware can also support 3-D gaming, apparently. Dual user facing cameras will be able to track your eye movements and let you "look" your aiming crosshairs over to what you want to shoot and then you blink once to fire. Or you can tap on a screen or click a mouse -- you can still do that you know. ::) You old Luddite, get with the program, Gramps. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/18/17 at 19:43:59 Intel -- is still making money on legacy products, over-sized lithography radio items and various other non-current technologies. The volumes that can be sold of these old tech items are hitting a voltage wall now as all the 10nm new stuff for this year will run at LESS THAN 5 VOLTS naturally ...... and Intel's old 14nm tech stuff requires 5 to 7 volts of battery power. So Intel is currently supplying to a shrinking market segment ..... However, because Intel is actively cutting its workforce (and is doing more cuts ongoing) their paper profitability is still present and is strong at the current time. Wall Street, however, (Motley Fool and others) have removed the BUY rating from Intel's stock until such time a clear feasible future pathway is identified and a clear plan laid out to go there. Brown vapor "announcements" just aren't cutting it any more --- Intel has no real current future pathway to long term growth/profitability and Wall Street knows this. 10nm EUV produced AMD Ryzen SOCs are now for sale, COMPLETELY REAL and "right now" so Intel processor sales are hurting accordingly. Intel has had to recently chop 25-30% off the asking price of their processors, preemptively, and the price reduced chips have to get discounted some more past that in order to move them. The fat Intel profit margins simply are not there any more for next year. Future Consumer Electronics Reality is looking grim for Intel, in other words. Things need to change ASAP or the handwriting is up on the wall for Intel. And yes, Intel has just posted a bumper year for last year's overall profitability -- but Intel needs to find some fashion to do that again next year that isn't based on further cannibalizing their employees and their core business. Ryzen, AMD and ARM in general is producing at a true 10nm lithography level right now at 30% lower pricing and AMD/ARM is slated to go to true 7nm later on this same year on these same EUV lines. Free electron lasers are now seen as practical for 5nm production lithography uses so that plays against future chip production sizes and costs as well. However, Intel is still stuck at 14nm and is holding there for most of 2017 before moving some of these lines to 10nm ...... This is not good because Intel will move to 10nm at the same time the others are shifting down from 10nm to 7nm. With a clear well understood ARM hard plans for an AMD/ARM 5nm gate all around free electron laser etching process which will be maturing inside the next calendar year (that 2018-2019 production hard research is being $$$ driven right by Apple, of course). Intel is falling two (2) full years and 2 full generations behind the pack now, this is not good, not good at all. Intel needs to skip 10nm and skip 7nm and go buy a few of the brand new 5nm gate all around implementation free electron laser production lines and go directly down to 5nm ASAP in order to keep their business current for the longest period of time. A firm concrete plan to do this would help Intel get its Wall Street BUY rating back again. ======================================= Intel has brown vapor pooted/announced again -- all near future Intel processing throughput increases will come from using 3-D XPoint memory, not from building faster processors. Same old processor lithography can be hand tuned along with the XPoint memory functions to speed up the "user experience" by 2-3x for the next 2 years or so (supposedly) ..... There are two things wrong with this. 3-D XPoint memory is a power hog right now, a constant large energy user. Current generation needs not apply for use in mobile devices and battery driven laptops, in other words. Next, once your data and your program are loaded (first 5-6 seconds) faster memory doesn't really help you very much. Faster processor throughput speeds are what counts after everything is loaded from memory ..... Next, when everyone uses the 3-D memory type, it isn't an Intel advantage any more. Will Intel make some extra money this year off of selling the stuff at an unreasonable premium ??? --- yes they will, but competitors are quickly releasing their own versions of 3-D memory at more realistic pricing, so that "unique Intel advantage" is going away for Intel very very quickly. Next, a completely new style of "neural processing" is under development by IBM, Apple, Alphabet and others. This AI type of learned response programming is aimed at Automotive and will make Intel stuff seem like steam engines sometimes within the next 5 years (assuming Skynet doesn't rise up and kill us all). The only bet that is sure that is really sure enough each time ..... is that change, she comes. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/19/17 at 20:48:39 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/b/31540d1c-ff29-4e19-82cb-e5f321ed1903 More real computing news is coming from the world of FINANCE lately as the traditional computing magazine writers and press writers are being encouraged in various ways to toe "the Wintel corporate position" line. Which means they got nothing to say lately. This fact bit is just a factual burb thrown out to Bloomberg investors as just a part of the daily feed of investment grade data. For Chromebooks to pick up 25% of the general US consumer market as measured in the last 8 months means somebody had to LOSE that much market share in the same period. ::) ...... duh ...... best number I can back check / confirm in any sort of fashion is ~10%~ overall for Chromebooks (MS will not allow any real numbers to be directly known on this subject). The fact we are hearing much larger numbers repeatedly from different Finance World type sources now is becoming interesting to me. Yep, it is a video, ya gotta watch it ..... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/b/31540d1c-ff29-4e19-82cb-e5f321ed1903 ======================================== http://https://assets.fastcompany.com/image/upload/w_596/fc/3067267-inline-i-1-google-chromebooks-the-2017-takeover.jpg Jeffrey Meredith, the Lenovo company’s vice president and general manager of Android and Chrome computing, says new generations of Lenovo Chromebooks are coming soon. And while Google’s lightweight laptops have already taken over the education market, Meredith believes the consumer business side of Chromebook is about to flourish as well. “Chrome, since its infancy, has been mainly education, mainly cost-driven, largely bought-on-bid kind of devices,” Meredith says. “What’s going to play over the next few months is, Chromebooks are going to move out of this education-almost-exclusive channel focus, into retail and into commercial.” The push for consumer Chromebooks will partly be driven by hardware, with Lenovo planning two waves of new devices in March and September. It’ll also be boosted by Google’s introduction of Android apps to the Chrome operating system. Samsung is also currently offering a new wave of more powerful and capable Chromebooks, ones that run off of the newest generation of more powerful ARM processors that directly support all the phone-like features which are the strengths of the Chromebook experience. ARM based Chromebooks are now being spec'd as Apple Macbook look alike devices (really nice looking things) to go head to head with both Macbooks and Microsoft Surface Pro machines in the consumer and business worlds. At less than half the cost for the same feature sets ..... supposedly ..... Remember, MS Office will run on a Chromebook now-a-days, both off your company's intranet and as local loaded software using the Android PlayStore MS Office version. ======================================== http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14956540/microsoft-windows-10-ads-taskbar-file-explorer Microsoft is infesting Windows 10 with annoying ads You older Windows guys have to tell me if this is so for your older versions -- this seems to be very current Win 10 complaints to me. Is this MS's newest plan to get you to pay a yearly fee -- simply to get rid of all the ad-irritations ???? http://https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/mNyneGgKlrBsmXevq0l1pW_fDvQ=/297x0:970x504/920x613/filters:focal(611x258:765x412):format(webp)/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/53743281/chromeedgead.0.jpg |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/19/17 at 22:06:23 https://liliputing.com/2017/03/intel-launches-first-optane-ssd-3d-xpoint-memory-enterprise.html Intel launches its first Optane SSD with 3D XPoint memory at $1,520 price point for only 375GB of hard drive memory http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/optane.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 Oh by the way, you can only use this on a totally modern brand new Intel processor equipped (special slot type required) motherboard using ONLY the very most modern Win 10 release AND YOU HAVE TO PAY A LICENSE FEE FOR THE REQUIRED DRIVER SOFTWARE. .... Real Wintel fan boys to all be butt raped and pocket picked for much, huh Wintel ???? You should be nicer to your fanboys. And do you think this thing sucks up a whole lot of wall socket power that gets turned into waste heat and that little room heater board absolutely has to run 24/7 "just to be there" for use as main systems and OS and program memory? ::) Ya need to upgrade your power supply there, boys ???? How about your house A/C system for summer time uses? ::) hey, in the winter time it can be touted as a "solid state no moving parts space heater". Seriously, this first attempt at a product is said to be 1,000 times faster than flash memory -- this "real" claimed number is far lower than the earlier claims of 2-3,000 times faster, likely because the Intel fanboy folks will begin testing and posting on the real shipped product just as soon as they can manage to pull it out of their aching main delivery tubes. This generation of memory will become a BIG THING as soon as the price gets back down out of the stratosphere. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 03/20/17 at 01:17:52 I dunno about infestations, thanks to you I've got ADBLOCK PLUS and it seems to work. Still wish I knew what you talk about, still on Win 7. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/20/17 at 07:23:50 JC, it seems to be NEWER versions of "auto-update" Win 10 that are affected. These folks get this stuff added to their machines at night whether they want it or not ...... This is a problem because it IS a problem for auto-update Win 10 users. They are getting increasing numbers of permanent Ad Frames plunked down into the OS itself by MS -- ad frames that they cannot remove. Microsoft apparently really needs the small change $$ that is generated by this little advertising activity I suspect. But I guess it isn't really small change $$ when you multiply it out by EVERY Win 10 machine out there. Issue is that the OS page won't refresh until the ads are done refreshing -- a slow background ad site means your whole OS experience gets that "slowed down to molasses feel" as the OS page won't go any faster than the slow ad goes. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/20/17 at 10:28:50 Ahhh, customer Service. My minds eye sees a stallion in the pasture, looking at a filly, |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/20/17 at 11:05:29 Ah, Justin, I agree all those young fan boy fillies need to watch out sharp for Wintel sneaking up behind them right now -- you are NOT getting your money's worth out of the new Wintel products they are forcing on you. ::) <thwock> zowie !!! Aaaaugh !!! Aieeeeee !!! :P Oh my my, Wintel got him right through the right hand rear wallet pocket .... That's gotta hurt a lot, with all them nasty hard sharp corners and all ..... http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/optane.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 Hey, for $1,520 doesn't a tube of KY come with that ??? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/20/17 at 11:26:09 People who are too young might not understand the importance of Batmans short lived T.V.show and the impact it had on communications. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/21/17 at 09:15:20 BIG LITTLE GROWS UP It ain't just for phones any more ..... the larger and more varying needs of Automotive and AI are ringing into ARM's basic design structure. https://liliputing.com/2017/03/arm-dynamiq-tech-helps-multi-core-chips-balance-performance-efficiency.html As usual, MediaTek starts talking about their next 7nm lithography 12 core chipset and this forces ARM to announce the product technology that MediaTek is actually using to build it. Remember, ARM never announces anything unless it is going into immediate production at a vendor as it simply isn't real yet. This tech is kinda interesting. You hear about ARM server boards going into production with multiple chipsets and you hear about MediaTek putting 12 different 7nm cores on the same piece of silicon and you just gotta wonder how they plan to keep it all straight, quick and productive. This is how. ANY mix and match combo of cores on a single piece of silicon and then ..... [mind you this is pure desktop and server stuff here] ... AND THEN any match-up of different, separate multi-core daughter board style pieces of silicon (with multiple cores each) on the every different daughter board. Yes, this means you build a state of the art phone chip (complete with radio and I/O) and then you can combo it with any multiple/mixture of standard complementary adder chips into something that is much much more powerful. What is worse, is you can ADD things to the finished system year on year by modding either the phone chip or one of the adder chips or by mixing in a completely new adder chip with brand new different stuff on it. You can also mix and match lithography levels inside a chip, or between chips seamlessly ....... (this is also quite revolutionary as it means some old cheaper tech can be used where speed simply isn't mission critical). This is all quite revolutionary and it means that Intel just grew a whole world full of 10nm and 7nm ARM competitors for their x386 products in both Server Land, PC Land and in Automotive Land as well, starting out with a good fast phone SOC as the base core. Or, a good tablet SOC. Or, a good Chromebook SOC. Start with the best thing that you got for the specific need and then build up on it ..... See Intel weep ..... missed another ship leaving the dock completely, they did. Wall Street is back to demanding a new Intel CEO ASAP who they then want to put in some new upper management and Wall Street definitely wants a new clear direction out of Intel ASAP as nobody is saying "BUY" about Intel any more. "HOLD" is the current recommendation. "SELL" is going to be coming out soon if Intel doesn't/can't declare a real direction and a real competitive pathway for the future real real real soon. http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/dynamiq.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 ======================================== Three days later: Intel brown vapors their old designs for Cannon Lake again, at 10nm, promising second half of 2017 as production ship zone. This is the 4th time 10nm Cannon Lake has been promised to be "six months away .... really, you can trust us on this one." :-[ 10nm Intel would be being shipped "just in time" for the others to be shipping their first 7nm products along with their throughput improved SECOND 10nm GENERATIONS ....... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/22/17 at 18:51:45 http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/optane.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 First reports are in --- performance isn't close to what was promised. DRAM is still very much needed for the operating system. Next, the PCI-e video slot bus system itself isn't up to the task, the slot bus is indeed perhaps a major part of the throttling problems that are showing in lowered throughput. your old BIOS wasn't designed for these potential video buss speeds and throughputs, either. A new motherboard / buss system is very much needed to get the maximum usage out of the new 3-D Xpoint memory systems. :-/ Putting this into an existing system (at $1,520 invested) is like putting a glittery diamond necklace on a plain old sow pig wallowing out in the mud pen. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/25/17 at 13:25:09 https://liliputing.com/2017/03/samsung-galaxy-s8-accessories-leaked-including-desktop-dock-wireless-charger-many-cases.html Is Samsung is intentionally referring to their new Android Phone PC as "WinFuture" ???? I suspect they might get some feedback if they are using "Win" in any format in the name or description of their ARM products OR that perhaps a website called WinFuture is getting very very careless with displaying its webname. The round thing shown is the stock USB 3.0 charging dock that permits the phone to talk to mouse and keyboard and screen. http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/dex-station.jpg?w=616&ssl=1 yep, that's is a little fan facing you .... The DeX Station basically looks like a smartphone dock/stand. But it’s much more than a charging station or an accessory for connecting a phone to a PC. There’s an HDMI port which allows you to output video to a 4K display at 30 frames per second. There’s also a 10/100 Ethernet jack, two USB 2.0 ports, an embedded cooling fan system to keep the phone from overheating, and a power supply. It’s not entirely clear what Samsung’s desktop experience looks like yet, but as one of the first companies to offer Android phones with multi-window features, it’s likely that Samsung has figured out a way to make Android look at least a little bit like a desktop operating system when the Galaxy S8 is connected to an external display. Samsung isn’t the only company working to make Android phones into desktop-style devices either. Will people accept the Android 8.0 OS as a full desktop experience, complete with the currently available Office for Android for those who just gotta have Office ???? There will be lacks and buggies and issues to be fixed, but we can thank the Jide pilot fish going forth from Google land and working out the main chunks of the interface and the most glaring lacks for the last 2 years ongoing -- allowing Google and Samsung to begin to POLISH the Phone PC idea up some more with this first real full production product. And I was right, full PC functionality is just part of Android, nothing special at all. Next year all the mid line phones will have it and the low end phones in the years following. Rule of thumb will be if you have a VR ready phone, you likely have a PC ready phone as well ..... As the system takes on a finer and finer polish, (BlueTooth 5.2 and Android 8 are on the way) your phone may well be an "acceptable enough" PC for you going on out in the future. ::) ..... and please also note the post directly above this. You can buy TWO (2) of the overpriced Galaxy S8 "phone PCs" complete with a docking station for each one for what Intel wants just for that one (1) 3-D X point memory board for your old PC. ..... Intel, get over yourselves, guys ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/26/17 at 14:17:57 http://hexus.net/tech/news/storage/94762-besang-incs-3d-super-nand-costs-just-2-per-gigabyte/ 3-D Memory Wars Yup, Intel & Micron have their 3-D XPoint memory pony sitting out in the starting gate, Samsung and Qualcomm are each working on their separate ideas, but keeping mum about the details ..... ..... and now here comes a Far Eastern/India upstart company named Besang with a gate all around idea that is 10 times faster, 10 times more energy efficient, litho shrinks MUCH better -- has 10 times more memory density per chip and per wafer (more memory per chip) AND MOST KILLINGLY is 10 times cheaper to build per wafer on any given litho level. .... 2 cents a gigabyte .... so watch Besang get bought up ASAP by somebody just to shut them up or else maybe to use their technology competitively against Intel. Look to see the Memory Wars heat up real real soon, look to see folks license the Besang gate all around 3-D memory tech and run hard with it ..... http://hexus.net/tech/news/storage/94762-besang-incs-3d-super-nand-costs-just-2-per-gigabyte/ PREDICTION TIME: Gate all around tech at 5nm and 3nm lithography is coming real soon. Besang has identified the high value technological driver that can speed this gate style "adoption" at reduced lithography levels along quite nicely. A new electron laser production line can be bought for memory production, set up to do gate all around Besang style non-volitile memory, turned on and let run for year on year until completely paid for (5 to 10 times over no less) by the initial memory profits --- then you got yourself a freebie used 5nm or 3nm electron laser line to put to work doing something else useful. Basic structure and definition of a PC system will shift drastically to optimize the use of large amounts of "pooled" fast non-volatile 3-D memory. So will OS and app functions. Existing retrofit solutions for Old Stuff may be better expressed as thicker double sided Ram modules, with a sizable chunk of 3-D new type memory that is fronted with some very very fast Dynamic Ram which is just acting as a throughput translation buffer to the old style memory bus. Time to replace your old PC may arrive fairly soon due to this wave of memory innovation, but not until competition drives the price way way down out of the "sky high pricing level" where it resides today. Besang is selling non-volatile production memory chipsets in planned sizes going all the way up to a TERABYTE per stacked chipset on the big end of their range. This tech will upend and disrupt the main DRAM memory industry and SSD memory and jump drive memory and the platter hard drive industries all within the next 2 years. Watch Besang sell a whole lot of production lines and license a whole lot of their tech inside the next six months. When this stuff moves into phones, the whole Phone PC idea will become very very real and quite practical. ======================================== Having gotten a real Justin style "I'm melting ...." mop water bath over what they have released so far (as far as a VERY under performing very expensive ($1,520) full Optane hard drive goes) --- Intel recants and comes out with usage recommendations for a $44 to $77 SSD style Optane buffer drive which will go on top of a standard hard drive installation. (if you have the slot that is .... and meet all the requirements listed below) http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/optane_03.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 Starting April 24th, you’ll be able to buy a 16GB module for $44 or a 32GB module for $77. Both are M.2 PCIe 3.0 drives that use the 3D Xpoint technology Intel developed together with Micron. And both offer read and write speeds that far surpass what you’d typically expect from NAND flash, although the 32GB drive is faster than the 16GB module. Odds are that most computer users will want more than 32GB of storage, but throw these SSDs into a system that already has a large hard drive and you get some of the best of both worlds: plenty of speedy storage for currently running applications, and plenty of storage for media, documents, and other files. Intel doesn’t officially support installing Windows to an Optane drive yet. Instead the idea is to use these drives as cache storage. Intel Rapid Storage Technology will let your computer treat a hard drive and Optane drive as if they were a single drive… but use the faster drive for data caching purposes, which should speed up a lot of operations. While you could also use an Optane SSD to boost performance of a NAND flash SSD, the difference won’t be as noticeable as when used with a hard drive, since SSDs already tend to be faster than HDDs. Although performance will likely vary depending on a variety of conditions, Intel says its Optane memory could: Cut the time it takes to boot a PC in half Increase storage performance as much as 14x Launch applications faster (for instance, Outlook is said to load up to 5.8x faster) Find files on your PC up to 4x faster Hoping to speed up an old PC with a new Optane drive? Then you’ll probably need to buy a new motherboard and processor to go with it. In order to be Optane-ready, a computer needs an Intel Kaby Lake chip, windows 10 64-bit software, an M.2 2280 slot with two or four PCIe data lanes, and a BIOS that supports the Rapid Storage Technology 15.5 drive. Intel has a list of compatible boards soon to be available. Here's what's amusing ..... plug in a plain old standard fast SSD drive into that same slot and you get pretty close to these same benefit levels. Intel tends to speak with a brown vaporous forked tongue a whole lot lately, in a somewhat vain attempt to keep their stock price up as much as possible. BUT WAIT A SECOND ..... when the new Optane motherboard and Optane bus and Optane slots and Optane BIOS rewrites and all of the new unified faster COMPLETE PC OPTANE MOTHERBOARD PACKAGE is finally out (and MS has to rewrite Win10 yet again) then Intel/Micron/Optane will do better. Honest Injun, it will. :P So much so that Intel can mebbe possibly excuse their staying stuck at 14nm lithography for yet another year or so and supposedly still say they are kinda sorta a competitive product .... ::) yeah, you betcha Intel, Besang is taking production orders for their already existing up and running lines RIGHT NOW ...... and they are licensing the tech directly to others and are even selling fully set up and tuned production lines, right now. ::) ...... and yes, Intel, that is your brand new non-competitive 14nm stuff shown over on the left in the pic below. http://hexus.net/media/uploaded/2016/7/99baf26b-b2da-4bfe-a728-b02604248c64.png |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/28/17 at 12:37:07 https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/unhappy-windows-10-upgraders-take-microsoft-to-court-for-lost-data-damaged-pcs/ Microsoft sued for millions over Windows 10 upgrade disasters Yes, just remember all the Win 10 BS that took place over the last year and at least one instance of that is present in this full-on class action suit filed in Illinois. State by state, new class actions are being filed as we type these words. What is setting them off is MS is now saying development of Win 10 "free" is over now, so all the promised fixes that served to kick the can on down the road are, as of now and forever, they are never coming. MS is in default on all their promised fixes as of now. See MS being sued out of existence over their failed "free upgrade" marketing scheme. Unhappy Windows 10 users in Illinois are taking Microsoft to court, claiming that problems caused by the Windows 10 upgrade show that it was negligently designed, that Microsoft fraudulently failed to disclose its defects, and that the upgrade is unfit for purpose. In a break from tradition, Microsoft offered Windows 10 as a free upgrade to Windows 7 and 8.1 for the first year of its release. This unusual offer was matched with a set of increasingly aggressive promotions within Windows itself. In the early days of the upgrade offer, there were even some users reporting that it installed automatically. Three plaintiffs claim specific harm was caused by the operating system. Stephanie Watson claims that Windows 10 installed without her choosing to accept it. The upgrade destroyed some data, caused such harm that Geek Squad was unable to fully repair the machine, and forced the purchase of a new system.The suit claims that "many" consumers have had their hard drives fail because of the Windows 10 installation, and that the operating system does not check "whether or not the hard drive can withstand the stress of the Windows 10 installation." Robert Saiger agreed to the upgrade. However, this caused Saiger's existing software to cease functioning, and it also caused some data loss. Saiger incurred costs reconstructing and replacing the lost data. The suit claims that the Windows 10 upgrader does not bother to check for hardware or software compatibility prior to installation. Howard Goldberg eventually accepted the upgrade after declining it for six months. The download and installation failed three times, with Goldberg claiming that this "damaged" his PC, causing data loss, loss of revenue, and incurring costs to repair the system. Similar problems were apparently so endemic and widespread that they show Windows 10 breached its implied warranty of merchantability according to the suit. The suit claims that there should have been greater warnings that it may damage PCs or data and that it should have told consumers to make backups. It further alleges that Microsoft was negligent; that the company failed to "exercise reasonable care in designing, formulating, and manufacturing" the upgrade, and moreover that Microsoft knew Windows 10 to have "potentially harmful propensities." Per the suit, there are hundreds or thousands of others who have suffered similar problems and incurred similar costs. It proposes a class of harmed users—Americans (that installed the Windows 10 upgrade on any computer equipped with Windows 7 "or earlier operating systems," though no earlier operating system offered the upgrade) who suffered loss of data or damage to software or hardware within 30 days of the installation. The lawsuit says that Microsoft owes this small group of users more than $5 million in damages, both actual and punitive. And that is just these relatively few folks filing suit in Illinois ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 03/28/17 at 12:50:31 Ah well the lawyers will have a field day, getting richer and richer. I suppose MS will write all their legal fees down as a "business expense". |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/29/17 at 10:18:31 http://fudzilla.com/news/43223-optane-could-be-hd-s-swan-song Intel’s Optane Memory is headed to be one of the most disappointing bits of tech in the world of storage. NOT WHAT WE WERE PROMISED ..... Optane is just a cache memory, one that has OS loading issues too. The non-volatile memory promised “1,000X” the performance of today’s NAND-based SSDs with far higher density and lower cost than DRAM. THIS ISN'T THE CASE. REALLY. Some even thought that if the tech worked like that you would not need RAM and a hard drive. Not so, both RAM and a hard drive are still required on any older system. While the tech is not bad and can find a niche it is not the blistering game-changer we had been promised. Instead we are getting a better version of the Smart Response Technology, an older tech which is easier to use and not so prone to pairing problems. Intel Optane Memory keeps parts of the OS on the Optane drive to speed up performance and the majority of the OS remains on the platter drive. This means if you want to pull the hard drive from the system, you’ll have to unpair it first. The current Intel Optane Memory implementation is also limited to a single hard drive. If you run two hard drives, the second one will see no caching improvement. Very much like SRT, Intel Optane Memory increases responsiveness overall. Of course, anything is an improvement over a hard drive. The other issue is the price difference is not that hot. You can get a 128GB SATA SSD for about 60 euro so why bother? Your entire OS and all your data can go on a cheaper 128GB SATA SSD with room to spare. Point to all of this ya ya blah blah is that Intel is touting the heck out of a high cost proprietary memory technology implying it can do a lot of wonderful things that IT CURRENTLY CANNOT DO. Next, Intel saying that Intel can stick at 14nm lithography first part of this year because "all improvements this year will come from Optane" is just slightly wrong headed. "All performance improvements this year will come Optane" is just some more brown vapor speak from Intel trying to keep their stock price from going even lower. All REAL 2017 performance improvements will actually come from AMD Ryzen chipsets at 10nm and from as yet unshipped new 10nm 3-D memory products coming from other memory vendors using a STANDARD 3-D NON-VOLATILE MEMORY INTERFACE that has yet to be declared by MS and the other OS vendors. (4/2/17 the new generation persistent module NVDIMM-P standards (for the new Optane types) have now been declared by the JEDEC industry standards group) Optane is just another over priced, overly touted, slower than expected, overly expensive way to implement Intel "proprietary groundbreaking innovation" yet again. Point being that you have to be able to put your whole OS into this new style memory system for it to be useful and right now you cannot do this because Wintel's MS part simply hasn't caught up with the tech wave at all yet. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 03/29/17 at 15:32:22 https://liliputing.com/2017/03/intel-not-10nm-chips-equal-better.html Intel strikes back with the only tech advantage they really have right now -- misleading powerpoints http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/intel-10nm.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 Why is this misleading? Firstly, who exactly are the "Others" and what level of tech level will they really be at as Intel promises to release their 10nm in about Please realize that the original 10nm efforts smelled a lot like 12nm gates with 14nm traces back when the very first efforts were done over a year ago especially if you are talking Global Foundry and TSMC as your very first "Other" examples. Two entirely new generations of 10nm processes has happened since then AND THE FIRST GENERATION OF 7nm IS BEING RELEASED BY SOME OF THOSE "OTHERS" INSIDE THE NEXT FEW MONTHS well before you release your first 10nm. dated 4/2/2017 NEWS FLASH JUST IN --- INTEL SAYS THEY WILL DELAY THEIR 10nm CANNON LAKE PROCESSORS UNTIL MID 2018 AT THE EARLIEST That is a year from now ..... This will be well after Samsung and TSMC will both be shipping ARM based 7nm (mobile products) for nearly a full year -- second to third generation 7nm mobile SOCs from both likely planned to be shipping about the time Intel actually ships the very first 10nm Cannon Lake PC processors. Next, what is Transistor Density Leadership anyway? Nobody stacks transistors side by side by side in anything but memory chips and GPUs. CPUs are built up of mostly traces and spaces, transistor groupings, radios, graphics, ect. etc. This Transistor Density Leadership is a very specious "theoretical" sort of benchmark. Intel, what "timeline mismatched" apples to oranges are also being represented in that PowerPoint slide? At the time your 10nm ships, your charts should show your comparison of what you are currently shipping to what your NAMED main competitors are currently shipping (at 7nm or at second-third generation 10nm). And a simple die size area comparison would be far closer to a "real comparison" if you would just list all your required primary & secondary & tertiary chip areas along with your competitor's one SOC's surface area. Intel PR Department often speaks with a generalized brown forked tongue lots of times lately, in attempts to keep Intel's stock price from slipping further, offer an impression of some sort of leadership, etc. etc. etc. etc. However, give Intel credit, they ARE still struggling and have given up on their "total abandonment of Consumer Electronics" thing pretty much completely at this point in time. As Intel continues to struggle against the ever larger toilet bowl swirl, this misleading Power Point war will continue and it will be an integral part of that final ride down the big white throne. :P ======================================= http://www.pcgamer.com/intels-optane-memory-may-not-work-on-lower-end-kaby-lake-chips/ Intel's Optane memory may not work on lower-end Kaby Lake chips By Paul Lilly 4 hours ago Looks like you'll need a Core i3-7100 or higher to use Optane Memory. Since reporting on this earlier this week, it's come to light that Kaby Lake Pentium and Celeron chips may not support Optane memory. The folks at TechReport dug their noses into Intel's ARK database and noticed that every processor below a Core i3-7100 did not list compatibility. That includes the Celeron G3930, Celeron G3950, Pentium G4560, Pentium G4600, and Pentium G4620. Same goes for lower power "T" versions of those CPUs. If true, this is likely Intel's way of limiting Optane memory to higher-end parts ..... Intel, you are ssssssooooooooo obvious sometimes .... can't you figure out some other way to have an Optane surcharge of some sort without cutting off half your own current production span? Or does it really REQUIRE a super duper processor just to manage and get the Optane trick to work ???? ======================================= Optane is a proprietary Intel thing and it will NOT be the next industry standard for systems memory. DDR5 and NVDIMM-P are the next upcoming standards for all the Optane type non-volatile memory systems. These people are the standards group for RAM and DDR4 systems and SSD and "flash memory" and they ARE WORKING ON THE NEW DDR5 STANDARD which will release the new NVDIMM-P standard which will incorporate all new Optane type memory systems as part of the standard. These new memory industry standards will come into effect at about the same time 10nm from all the "others" goes into its second-third generation AND AT LEAST A HALF A YEAR BEFORE INTEL ACTUALLY SHIPS A 10nm ANYTHING. https://www.jedec.org/news/pressreleases/jedec-ddr5-nvdimm-p-standards-under-development Mian Quddus, Chairman of the JEDEC Board of Directors, said: “Increasing server performance requirements are driving the need for more advanced technologies, and the standardization of next generation memory such as DDR5 and the new generation persistent modules NVDIMM-P (new Optane types) will be essential to fulfilling those needs.” He added, “Work on both standards is progressing quickly, and we invite all interested engineers worldwide to visit the JEDEC website for more information about JEDEC membership and participation in JEDEC standards-setting activities.” JEDEC is the global leader in the development of standards for the microelectronics industry. Thousands of volunteers representing nearly 300 member companies work together in 50 JEDEC committees to meet the needs of every segment of the industry, manufacturers and consumers alike. The publications and standards generated by JEDEC committees are accepted throughout the world. All JEDEC standards are available for free download from the JEDEC website. For more information, visit www.jedec.org. dated 4/2/2017 NEWS FLASH JUST IN --- INTEL SAYS THEY WILL DELAY THEIR 10nm CANNON LAKE PROCESSORS UNTIL MID 2018 AT THE EARLIEST |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/03/17 at 14:05:29 Visual reality check on Intel claims to being smaller and denser than the "others" ...... http://fudzilla.com/media/k2/items/cache/8ac720f97ea132df9e2d773db10e37e0_L.jpg this is now for ARM products Qualcomm's current 10nm chipset, the Snapdragon 835, a full function SOC with memory and all functions present inside the penny sized SOC. http://cdn01.androidauthority.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Samsung-Exynos-Processor-SoC.jpg Samsung's current 10nm chipset, the Exynos 8895, a full function SOC with memory and all functions inside the smaller than a penny sized SOC. vs Intel's "small and light M class" CPU (still missing lots of various functions and it HAS NO BULK MEMORY as shown) Yes, Intel's two larger chipsets sitting on a daughter board still don't make up a full function SOC like the Qualcomm 835 and the Samsung Exynos 8895 shown above http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLrzXMPUqYR4mk1LTeqRnbm6hGj_Y0hWdfC-fm3ajSghgdQTNS3Q this is now for Intel x86 products :P Intel, your misleading Power Points and Press releases cannot change what is real. Your "technical leadership" is all past tense and getting further and further behind as the months roll on past into whole full years of "behind". ======================================= News Flash Intel says they plan to go to 10nm, 7nm and 5nm using their existing FinFET processes. Time line stated by Intel during their lithography tech presentations this past week is 2018 for 10nm, 2020 for 7nm and 2022 for 5nm. These brown vapor announcements are running two full years behind the others at this current time. TSMC and Samsung have announced (and have built Apple sample runs on) a refined multi-mask EUV FinFET for 7nm for this upcoming year --- with Gate All Around (electron laser) being their production pick for 5nm and 3nm in 2019-2020. Global Foundries announces a complete skipping of later generation 7nm FinFET processes and an early adaptation of a 5nm electron laser based Gate All Around process at 5nm and 3nm (skipping out on the 7nm generation completely as wasted capital and wasted time). This is a wise plan for Global as Apple has already let the main contracts for 7nm to TSMC with Samsung as a production backup "safety". ASML (the company that makes all the lithography equipment) was up on the stage with the NON-Intel groups, silently supporting the reality of what was being said as two (2) 5nm electron laser production machines are being built, with one of each slated to be installed at both TSMC and at Samsung sometimes later this year --- with Global Foundries getting their first one early of next year. Yep, Apple invests in their product lines 3 years out with basic production process research and Apple funds one future current ASML production line at each pet vendor for their dedicated production refinement use for the next 2-3 years as they build the "at risk" early lots of iPhone chipsets. "Read between the lines" time --- Intel is using their brown vapor cannon very freely yet again to cover the fact they HAVE NO REAL PRODUCTION LITHOGRAPHY "INNOVATION" PLANS PAST 10nm and that their current 10nm plan is shot full of nagging low yield production issues at the moment, issues that will likely take a projected 12 months to work through Intel's crop of 10nm issues. Intel is also noted to be at the foot of the line to get the new ASML 5nm electron laser lithography equipment -- a fact that explains why Intel is sticking to finFET at 7nm, 5nm and 3nm supposedly. That puts them yet another year behind the pack when they finally get real about having to use electron laser technology. Intel now states publicly their tick-tock cycle now takes 3-4 years to complete on a single lithography level ..... ::) ::) ...... and yes, Intel, that is your brand new non-competitive 14nm Optane stuff shown over on the left in the pic below. (example comes from 14nm Intel Optane vs the Besang 10nm Gate All Around system) That Gate All Around is some powerful stuff, really ..... this comparison holds true at any future lithography level, btw ..... this comparison is made at 14nm which is the current Intel reality. 10nm, 5nm and 3nm will be even worse for Intel when that point in time rolls around. Please remember, Intel is two full years behind in lithography as of right now, so Intel's 14nm goes vs everybody else's 10nm, 10 Intel goes vs everybody else's 7 ..... by then Intel should be pretty much defunct or close to it and simply be unable to buy the new ASML technology and do the needed development to even try to catch up. http://hexus.net/media/uploaded/2016/7/99baf26b-b2da-4bfe-a728-b02604248c64.png ======================================== Voltage downsize plays out against aging Intel PC CMOS technology Intel announces they are forming a "task force" to redo all PC CMOS requirements to allow all devices to run on 2 volts or less. Intel can't buy readily buy really cheap pieces for their PC stuff any more since there is now a ever larger voltage gap between the cheaper, smaller, more efficient stuff the phone industry uses (in very large volumes) vs the old stuff what Intel x86 PC products still have to use (legacy production in much smaller volumes). This need has arisen very recently since oncoming even more modern lithography levels run the entire shebang on 1.5 volts or less. The voltage gap has become a Grand Canyon of late .... with Intel sitting on the wrong side of the gap. Intel still produces legacy products that run at 5 volts or more --- and Intel HAS to get with the sub 2 volt program ASAP or lose the market for those items completely to the voltage decrease which has already arrived. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/17 at 04:43:41 Why is Apple still potentially tying or BEATING the newest ARM based SOCs measured on single core performance ??? Apple is very very dollar rich of late and they buy the newest technology 3-4 years out and install it at their pet SOC vendors and push these vendors competitively against each other to get the best pricing, best performance and very best delivery. Since Apple bought that first line, they get a generation's lock on the output from that line, generally speaking. And then Apple tweeks the chipset and OS system together to optimize what they get out of this stress development drill and yes, it generally is some pretty durn good stuff by the time it ships. But, Qualcomm and Samsung and now Mediatek are nipping at Apple's heels at the moment, and it would not take much for TSMC to drop a ball or hit a snag on a new Apple SOC and have the others catch up and surpass Apple (temporarily at least). Apple has hired IBM to work on their PC RISC OS for them to get some breakthrough style power and "some App Magic" as IBM is actually quite strong on conjoined RISC OS and SOC development -- and Apple is no slouch at this trick by themselves either. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/17 at 04:59:17 http://www.wired.co.uk/article/samsung-s8-dex Samsung's DeX dock makes most old home PCs look anachronistic the only cords I see in this picture are the monitor power cord and the DeX dock power cord. Bluetooth 5.0 is quite capable for running the mouse, monitor, exterior speaker and the keyboard, as was promised to us months ago. http://https://wi-images.condecdn.net/image/W1oVrdXdGmq/crop/810 "WIRED was perhaps most impressed with a new dock accessory, almost casually introduced after the reveal of the handset itself. This dock effectively turns your mobile into a home PC that can run Windows Word, PowerPoint and Excel. After you lower the S8 into the DeX, it couples the smartphone to an HDMI compatible monitor and connects to any Bluetooth-enabled, USB or RF-type keyboard and mouse. The screen wakes up on docking and quick as a flash you are looking at not a mirror of the handset’s display but what appears to be a regular run-of-the-mill PC desktop. The reason for this is Samsung has completely redesigned the Android UI so it is optimised for use with keyboard and mouse. This pimped UI offers up those familiar multiple resizable windows, contextual menus and a desktop web browser. In short, you immediately feel you are working on a normal home computer. The DeX Station itself not only houses and fast charges your S8, it has some ports you’d expect from a PC: two USB 2.0, ethernet and USB-C. For the security conscious, while connected to the DeX, the smartphone is protected by the Samsung Knox security platform and no mobile data is transferred from the device to the “desktop”. Collaborations with Microsoft and Adobe mean Samsung DeX is compatible with Microsoft Office and Adobe mobile apps, including Adobe Acrobat Reader mobile and Lightroom Mobile. The apps themselves have been altered, too, as part of that pimping of the UI. Microsoft Word, for example, looks more like the full-fat home PC version and not the mobile one. However, DeX also allows users to remotely access virtual desktops through offerings including Citrix, VMware and Amazon Web Services should you need access to Windows OS-based apps." Google and Sammy and Mickysoft did it right, boys and girls, and it smells like a hit "standard feature" now doesn't it ???? Ubuntu seems to think so, as they just tossed in the towel on their Unity convergence system as their efforts to date are not nearly as nice or as good looking. Collaborations with Microsoft and Adobe mean Samsung can apparently now do good enough mods to Mickysoft Word and Adobe products to make it "much prettier looking" than Micky could do alone on their own super expensive Windows10 phones. Probably MickySoft is actually pretty happy about this development as a lot of copies of MS Word and MS Excel will be sold with these docking station software sets. AND IT IS CLEAR TO ALL THAT A QUALCOMM 835 CAN BE A DESKTOP CHIP SET, ditto for a Samsung Exynos 8895, and ditto for one of the new 7nm Mediatek 12 core chipsets when they get here ...... ditto for an Apple A-11x chipset ...... and it is also clear that any one of these phones can do it a lot cheaper than an old style Wintel desktop or laptop can do it. Please remember, you will be able to do this with mid-line phones next year, and with all phones within another 2 years ..... MICROSOFT COOPERATING WITH THE LICENSING OF THEIR OFFICE SOFTWARES, including making display fit modifications to these same MS products so they fit well into the DeX package really really breaks some new "flexibility" ground for MS. It was a smart move for MS to do as it opens up an entire new market segment with MS getting into the ground floor by doing this modification package deal with Samsung. Intel isn't so happy, they were left standing out in the rain way way out in the parking lot and Intel flat didn't even get invited inside the building to attend this dance at all. Look to see Intel to try to partner with somebody to get into this Phone / PC action space ASAP ...... each one of these units sold means one PC chipset Intel cannot sell and Intel cannot afford that volume loss very well right now. ======================================= Intel hits the air raid siren, the big fog horn and all the brown vapor cannons all at once yesterday -- something has really really upset them over in Automotive/Server world. One item was ARM saying their Big Little replacement task organizer along with Google's new neuron net style Tensor Flow AI processor unit allowed a paltry 28nm lithography Google custom built Tensor Flow unit (as shown) to run at 30x greater throughput on any properly learned task set compared to Intel's very best x86 based core i-7 14nm product running a standard Win 10 OS or a distro Linux (i.e. using a deluxe normal processor and normal OS programming). This shows the very first example of what will come after PC on the big job "power desktop" space. This thing isn't state of the art lithography and the processor hasn't got much in mhz speed, but it handles 200 threads at once instead of 4 or 6 like Intel does. And this is the first design effort actually, all refinements are yet to come. A prototype that worked so well Google built it all last year to replace a lot of their rack farm hardware (it uses much much less power and is 30x faster to boot). The Gen 2 is on the way, btw. http://https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/gT6ILjN_hN8VAZ--7OkVrMhGUj0=/0x0:1600x1231/920x613/filters:focal(672x488:928x744):format(webp)/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/49633851/tpu-2.0.png http://https://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/google-tpu-board-2.png?fit=930%2C558&strip=all This new Tensor Processor puts Intel so far down in the ground they likely need to jest go ahead and dig the rest of the way to China ...... ::) ....... as right now Intel's great white hope that they have been hooting so much about lately is Optane which only gives 2x to 6x performance boosts and that only to some very memory recall intensive operations --- while using VERY VERY expensive x86 i7 chipsets and very large expensive Optane arrays. That is only 194 times less throughput than this palm sized Tensor Processor unit running the new Google in-house 28nm chip design and Google's Tensor Flow operating system. Google just blew up Intel's outhouse. BOOM !!! Intel is now suddenly planning to be breaking their chipsets up into smaller component pieces (now how is that again, since they aren't really SOCs right now anyway ???) and Intel has announced they are coming up with their own organizing AI software to allow the broken up pieces to be mixed and matched together as needed into an increased throughput product that learns by doing. A classic "me too" knee jerk reaction from Intel on saying they are going to be doing something they really haven't got a clue how to go about doing. ;) Intel's technical leadership must have been a sitting in the outhouse when the dynamite went off ..... CHANGE, she comes ........ http://https://3s81si1s5ygj3mzby34dq6qf-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/TPU5_2-300x236.jpg yup, this is a whole motherboard https://www.nextplatform.com/2016/05/19/google-takes-unconventional-route-homegrown-machine-learning-chips/ ....... this means the very basic ideas that stand behind the old PC world have started whirling around at the center of the toilet bowl swirl and are actually beginning the dropping away to never never land ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/09/17 at 22:21:40 What is being seen in PC land, shifts in activity type, etc. Personal computing (you and me) has multiple paths to take now. You can sit at your old computer desk and do most everything on your old PC .... slowly. You can use your phone's natural ability to cast your screen to a monitor or to a TV and do most everything ..... (with much more ability coming this year and next year) You can carry a laptop, Chromebook, etc. around with you and do most everything that phones or PCs can do .... Trends we see are as follows. People are buying what they believe in ..... Mac people buy Macs, Wintel people buy Wintel, ARM/Android people buy Google stuff. However, as Intel rolls away from PC Consumer Space (and evidence is mounting that Intel never really stopped their Consumer Space abandonment moves despite whatever Intel's PR dept. said) then PC people are going to have to eventually exercise other options. These options will tend to group folks around whatever PHONE tech you like and have been using. The rule of thumb "People are buying what they believe in" is the real controlling thing as folks respond to the waves of change hitting their lives. ========================================= https://liliputing.com/2017/04/idc-pc-shipments-first-time-years-gartner-nope.html We got sales figures for first quarter of 2017 and some definition on Chromebook sales (in a backwards, left-handed kinda fashion anyway) According to research firm IDC, the PC market saw growth in the first quarter of 2017… for the first time in 5 years. The analysts at rival firm Gartner see things differently though. In fact, Gartner reports there were fewer shipments in the last quarter than at any time since 2007. :-? There’s a simple explanation for the discrepancy. For instance, IDC says a Chromebook is a personal computer, but Gartner does not. In that light, it makes sense that IDC’s growth figures would be higher: Chromebooks have been one of the few bright spots in the PC space in the past few years. While the total number of Chromebooks shipped each quarter is substantially lower than the number of Windows machines, Chromebook shipments have generally been on the upswing while the opposite is true for other types of notebooks and desktops. Combine the tea leaf readings from the two companies (ooooh, fraught with risk is this one) you could see a smoky image above the oracle flames that says Chromebooks are growing at a 3% increasing quarterly rate (for the last quarter anyway) which is on top of 20%+ annual growth levels from last few years. Chromebooks grow 3% per quarter, PC stays flat to shrinks a little bit yet again ..... ======================================= Intel is currently reeling like a drunk sailor, as every "new growth" pathway that they had identified and had just made major moves to go pursue has just slapped them in the face with a big wet fish. So badly slapped about that they are sitting at a "HOLD" recommendation on their stock with Wall Street, and with Finance pundits saying they need to replace ALL their upper management ASAP to have a fighting chance to survive. Intel's latest incorrect ASSumption was that they could just Godzilla their way on into Automotive and AI and take over these markets to own them for their very own going forward into the future. WRONG ..... Google just handed them the fact they are actually really are 2+ generations behind in lithography and that Intel still can't make up an SOC to save their butts ..... and in AI they aren't even out on the playing field yet (not even in the football stadium, actually). Nor does Intel actually own any tech that the growing AI industry is interested in and that Intel's basic processes are not really a match at all to what AI needs right now. Intel has just spent 10's of billions buying up little companies that were already failing to compete in Automotive and in AI (smooth move, that) thinking they were getting something for their money. Nope, not really. ::) ..... didn't you just do this exact same drill in the Internet of Things arena ??? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/09/17 at 23:06:24 https://www.extremetech.com/computing/247199-googles-dedicated-tensorflow-processor-tpu-makes-hash-intel-nvidia-inference-workloads New terms for you to absorb ..... Neural Net, Machine Learning, Inference, Massively Parallel, AI These explanations are not technically complete, but just a way for you to grasp what they are about in general. http://https://3s81si1s5ygj3mzby34dq6qf-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/TPU5_2-300x236.jpg A single Tensor unit http://https://3s81si1s5ygj3mzby34dq6qf-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/B75A6575-Adjusted2-195x300.jpg 4,000 racked Tensor units ..... Tensor Flow softwares deal with whole integers (whole numbers) and they do this round up/down as step #1 --- this helps a lot as 8 bits can contain most integer data, 16 bits can get almost all of it and 32 bits does hold it all. 64 bits is not needed, ever, except to hold memory addresses on Intel x86 based machines. This round up/down trick simplifies all subsequent calculations TREMENDOUSLY and the end result comes out the same, with some very minor ending results variation which will be mentioned later on in this post. The new machines are by basic design kinda like the neurons in your brain, they can connect in lots of different ways and can do a vast number and array of different things simultaneously. (Neural Net, get it ??) Alpha Go (show to the right above) the AI that always beats the best humans at Go, the most complex game we own has 1.5 times the potential "neural connects" than a human brain has protein neuron connection pathways .... Like you, the AI have to learn the ins and outs a new task --- which takes them about as long as our old familiar mainframe computing tasks used to take. This is called Tensor flow learning. (Machine Learning, get it ??) It too is a massively parallel activity, and a Tensor Processor can do both machine learning and then do the reflex "inference" execution using that learning. The same card can learn new things, then do them inside itself or do them across a bunch of networked cards -- by sharing what was learned with other cards. Once learned, these simplified and tuned execution tasks (inference) can become "reflex" fast as no learning or modification is needed. Many many many reflex type "inference" tasks can go on at the same time ...... 200 things at a time can be done per card right now with this first very basic Tensor Processor. (Massively Parallel, get it ??) When you rack 4,000 of them the power goes up by the total combination possibilities = 4,000200 so the available compute range is HUGELY HUGE. What used to be considered large tasks like graphics and video become reflex (inference) fast and execution speed is limited only by how fast bus speeds and how fast dynamic RAM memory speeds are on your equipment. (Google spent the $$$ there as that was where the bang for the Tensor bucks really was). And here is where Skynet creeps in ..... given enough repetitions, the slight natural ending variations in execution caused by the up/down rounding determine which path of execution is quicker/better, and that "better" execution pathway then becomes the norm. (AI tuning, get it ??) Artificial Intelligence learning and on the fly inference tuning means AI can get better and better at tasks as time goes on. This process takes whole 100's of milliseconds per iteration it does, like forever and a day in computer time, huh ? It also takes many many repetitions to sense those finer improvements. So, AI surely CAN learn from its failures and its poorer results, and it never repeats them again as it has perfect memory. ::) ...... and yes, preventing Skynet and HAL are real topics that these guys actually do talk about at AI Conferences as AI grows and becomes more complex. DUNE had AI too -- AI took over for millennia and the Butlerian Jihad that fought the Machine Minds resulted in "Thou shall make no machine in the image of a human mind" as Dune Universe Rule #1. Never ever even consider building a "thinking machine" inside my Empire .... ever. I will immediately burn your world with atomics and stone burners if you do, such that the "thinking machine" infection cannot leave your world to infect others. Edicts of Empire Emperor Paul Muad dib ..... and so, what do we go do right off the bat ??? We make a goal out of building an AI that can beat our very best Go players in the world, learning from each contest and game until it is now arguably unbeatable by any human intellect. And the idiots in our Military see this wonderful campaign planning tool when they see Alpha Go beating humans at Go ..... so they want to go have their very own top secret AI running both wheeled and 4 footed warbots (machine gun & rocket equipped) and small efficient unmanned automated tanks and automated missile firing hover drones to go play their silly war strategy games with. Arrugh, are you guys complete arsehole idiots or what ?? SKYNET anyone ??? https://www.extremetech.com/computing/247199-googles-dedicated-tensorflow-processor-tpu-makes-hash-intel-nvidia-inference-workloads https://www.cnet.com/news/elon-musk-worries-skynet-is-only-five-years-off/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/skynet-real_n_7042808.html http://https://3s81si1s5ygj3mzby34dq6qf-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/google-datacenter-two-bw-150x150.jpghttp://https://3s81si1s5ygj3mzby34dq6qf-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/google-datacenter-oklahoma-bw-150x150.jpg This entire old style rack farm has throughput like the 4,000 card Tensor rack shown up above. Skynet being born ..... when the repair guy on the ladder goes away .... and the machine begins to repair itself directing a robotic fix-it machine ..... which then installs some self-designed improvement modifications that the machine made up for itself ..... hey, then you got you some real potential Skynet type action headed your way ..... because you, Human, you were both too lazy AND too stupid ..... and you didn't watch out to see what your brainchild was doing. ================================================================= You personally have a little bitty tensor flow based AI "potentially always sitting" in a rack at a Google processing facility. This AI that comes into being (gets loaded) whenever you tap the mike button on your android phone or give the phone a voice based command. This AI knows your voice patterns, your common commands and recent destinations and has a big leg up on anything new you might choose to command it to do. If you give your AI a unique name and command it by that name using your voice, you can even use somebody else's phone to access your AI. Get used to it, it is a new brave world out there ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/12/17 at 12:16:42 https://liliputing.com/2017/04/will-microsofts-next-attempt-take-cheap-chromebooks-fare-better-last.html Will Microsoft’s next attempt to take on cheap Chromebooks fare any better than its last two tries? "Microsoft is holding an event in New York City on May 2nd, where the company is expected to unveil new software, and maybe some new hardware. ZDNet’s Mary Jo Foley, who tracks these things closely, thinks there’s a good chance the May 2nd event will be the official coming out pary for Windows Cloud, a new light-weight version of Windows that we’ve been hearing about for a few months. The operating system is expected to look and act nearly identical to other versions of Windows 10. But out of the box it will only let you download and install Windows Store apps." :-/ Buy our new price supported "Chromebook Killer" and find out the hard way that you are TOTALLY LOCKED IN to having to buy new Microsoft store apps even though you already OWN a full copy of Word, Excel, etc. etc. Here is the real rub, you can buy an Android wielding Chromebook for less money on sale and then go buy the Android version of MS Office a lot cheaper from the Google PlayStore. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/17/17 at 03:25:50 Far Eastern cell phone suppliers are all reporting a declining market this spring. They are all now attempting to diversify way from Consumer Electronics as that market is now TOTALLY SATURATED world wide. It is now a mid-range pricing "upgrade or replacement" market world wide. Premium displays and processors have moved down to mid-range as the new 10nm Qualcomms and Samsung chipsets define the new premium zone now. Qualcomm and the others have taken to suing each other right and left in a feeble attempt to milk the last bit of juice out of the no longer rapidly growing Phone industry. It is interesting to see all the brand new crop (first time ever) of Chromebooks and Android laptops popping up all over the Far East as the phone boys go looking someplace else to make a buck in 2017. ::) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/17/17 at 04:27:51 https://chromeunboxed.com/can-arm-chips-seize-the-mid-range-chromebook-market/ CAN ARM CHIPS SEIZE THE MID-RANGE CHROMEBOOK MARKET? http://https://chromeunboxed.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/arm-768x513.png "The landscape of the Chrome OS world is changing and evolving at a rapid pace. New devices are being developed with never before seen features for Chromebooks. What used to be the norm for mid-range and high-end Chromebooks is taking on a new look with faster chipsets and new form-factors have completely uprooted what was once the standard fare in a Chrome OS device. Each year or two, chip manufacturers roll out new generations of processors in order to compete, capture or maintain their fair share of the PC market. Companies such as Intel, RockChip, MediaTek and now AMD, each bring their own strengths to the table to Chrome OS but for the most part Intel has dominated the Chromebook market in the area of plain old number of chips in devices. This isn’t a bad thing. Intel, until the inception of Android Apps, had everything a Chromebook needed to handle all the tasks it was meant to do. We’ve seen a plethora of mid-level, Braswell-based devices released in the past two years that not only handle web-based computing with ease but do it at a very affordable price. The Acer Chromebook 14 is a prime example. When I take my Gold beauty to the coffee shop, there’s not much of my workload that it’s not going to handle and it looks really, really good doing it. At a distance, you might even think I’m sporting a MacBook or a top-dollar ASUS Zenbook. Some might even be a bit shocked when they find out I’m working from a sub $300 machine. This is all well and good but I would propose that Intel may have become a bit too comfortable in the entry-level and mid-range Chromebook market. Sure, when it comes to top of the line, it’s really Core M or nothing. I really don’t know if that will change anytime in the near future and that’s ok. For the every day user however, I think Intel may be on the verge of losing the last bit of its grip in the consumer Chromebook market. ARM OF THE PAST Prior to last summer you would be hard-pressed to have found any ARM-based Chrome OS device really worth its weight with the exception of the original ASUS Flip and let’s be honest, it’s not winning any performance awards. Don’t get me wrong, the Flip is in a class all by itself. One of the very few devices to have Android Apps currently in Stable, the Flip set a precedent for what was to come in the next generation of Chromebooks. Now we are beginning to see a wider range of Chromebooks built on the mobile-centric ARM architecture and I wanted to touch on why that is a good thing for users and possible a not-so-good thing for Intel. In 2015 you had the original RockChip RK3288 found in the Flip and a few other low-budget devices, the Nvidia Tegra K1 which will be seeing the end of its Chrome OS life sooner that later and the Samsung Exynos which, really, just needs to be forgotten. Seriously, I picked up an OG Samsung last summer for like $25 and it could barely run three tabs without crashing. Thank you Samsung for opting to use the RK3399 in the Chromebook Plus. You saved us all some embarrassment there. ARM, THE NEW GENERATION Fast forward to today and the list of ARMv8 or aarch64 devices are slowly but very steadily expanding. In September of last year we saw the release of the Acer Chromebook R13 equipped with the MediaTek MT8173C processor with its new big.LITTLE architecture giving it 4 cores that can all run full throttle at the same time while retaining independence of each other in some regards. This is where ARM is going win the battle in the middle weight fight for supremacy. We have seen in the repositories and in real world performance that the ARM architecture may take second place on paper to the once Braswell now Apollo Lake chips but when it comes to handling Android Apps and juggling between them and standard computing ARM wins. Side-by-side, the widely used Braswell chips like that in my Acer Chromebook 14 consistently score in the mid to upper 8,000’s on Octane tests while the MediaTek and RockChip found in the Samsung Plus are peaking around 9700. The performance of the Play Store and Android Apps, however, is night and day. The ARM chips outperform hands down and it’s just the nature of their design." WHAT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THIS INDUSTRY WIDE REPORT Intel hasn't made any real progress on making up a phone chipset. Phone chipsets now run the lower half of every market, and are moving upscale quickly. Phone feature sets are demanded by Chromebooks and Android based devices and Wintel is losing their grip on areas they once held. Intel's great grandaughter of SoFIA never made it into distribution yet again as it got blown away by the new generation of lower cost mid level ARM chipsets that are mentioned above. ARM's impending leap to 10nm and 7nm further exacerbates Intel's "not current, not competitive" posture as it would take an Intel Core i5 processor to have the necessary speed & processing power and the Intel Core i5 eats way way way too much power for anything less than a full sized laptop battery to give you maybe 4-6 hours of use time. The last 2 generations of ARM based laptops are Fully Featured for Chromebook/Android uses, run fast and run all day long on a single charge, and most of these units also now have the phone style rapid 1 hour USB C battery charging right now too. And they will only get more powerful and more energy efficient going forward from here. Intel is very very cost and performance non-competitive as of right now and this will only get worse as time goes on. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/18/17 at 15:12:55 https://liliputing.com/2017/04/intel-cancels-entire-developer-forum-program-ahead-summers-idf17.html http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/idf16.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 IDF 2016 --- the very last developer conference ever on Intel processors and support bits and pieces. Chicken and egg time again, who actually quit first, Intel or their developer base? Intel cancels the entire Developer Forum program ahead of this summer’s IDF17 Intel says the move comes as the company is moving away from a focus primarily on PCs to one that is producing a wider range of products including automotive technologies, Internet of Things products, wireless communications, artificial intelligence, and storage, among other things. ::) AI -- invented it all by yourself last week, huh? Oh, you went and bought yourself a little AI company last week. I guess that means you invented it all by yourself six month ago when they say they invented it ....... right ....... :P Storage, does that mean Optane ??? As invented by Micron, that 3D-XPoint memory stuff, is that what you mean? ::) What was it again Intel that YOU actually invented in the last 5 years or so ??????? Oh yes, the infamous "Microprocessor Density Metric" PowerPoint slide. I had forgotten all about that little gem. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/21/17 at 11:39:09 Rockchip RK3399 signals the start of the end for Intel Samsung has picked it up and is using it for this year's Chromebook Pro --- it is that good and that cheap. It is a VR ready chipset, with true VR graphics low end levels being built right into the basic design. A whole BUNCH of Android PCs are being built around it in the Far East ..... in Asia Android is the main OS system as Asians just got phones and Android is all they know. Linux has accepted and supported it in the kernel now and Linux Distro boxes are being built around it now as well. The Rockchip RK3399 is actually a tablet and set top box chipset that has good enough specs, power and video to swing over into desktop and laptop space, and by golly driven by its low low price it is doing just that. Next years 10nm Rockchip unit will be driven by least two of the newer A73 cores and generationally improved Mali VR graphics -- this mid line SOC chipset should be generally useful all across the board in place of low end Intel items. Rockchip will still cost less than half of what an Intel chipset would cost and it too will fall into the lower half of the Core i5 Geekbench performance zone. When Win 10 comes out for the modern Rockchip processor laptops as part of MS's newest Chromekiller stuff, then it is all over for Intel as MS's continuing prop up job is all that is keeping Intel relevant at all over on lower cost side of things. ;) and I repeat .... When Win 10 comes out for Rockchip chipsets, it is all over for Intel as MS's continuing Wintel prop up job is all that is keeping Intel relevant at all over on lower cost side of things. Reviewers are all saying RK 3399's Geekbench score of over 1350 is good enough for flaw and flicker free performance in all venues including the low end VR googles. Graphics support on the box stock Mali T-864 graphics processor is now built into the Linux kernel right now, so that plays well for Chromebook and Android devices being built right off the bat. Intel has no lower cost to mid-range performance "competitive products" at this time, and Intel seems to not not be interested in trying to make one up either. Intel having abandoned the low to middle market, we see Mediatek and Rockchip moving up into it. Issue becomes that ARM will not stop there, but will continue to advance until Intel will be defending their Core i7 turf in a few years. MS will HAVE TO SUPPORT the processor and the graphics in the RK 3399 family soon enough as quite simply, they gotta support it or else simply give up the low to middle end completely just like Intel has already done. Since the Linux kernel support is already there, this is actually a no-brainer for MS to do this as Win 10 "fully supports" Linux and Linux already has the drivers. ::) right In a couple of days the new MS Chromekiller system from MS is going to be announced at a MS shindig -- we will see then if RK 3399 is a "if you can't beat them, join them" thing or not. ======================================== new NEWS http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/windows-10-cloudbook-targets.jpg?w=690&ssl=1 Keep in mind, these are the minimum specs, which means we could see some Cloudbooks with better hardware. But here’s an overview: Quad-core Celeron or better processor 4GB of RAM 32GB of storage for 32-bit systems 64GB of storage for 64-bit systems 40Wh battery Fast eMMC or SSD storage Touchscreen displays and support for pen input are listed as “optional,” which means they’re not exactly minimum recommended specs… but Microsoft does expect some device makers to offer those features. Dudes, that's MS needing 2x the systems hardware requirements to yield known 2x SLOWER response speeds. Nothing has changed, really. NOT COMPETITIVE AT ALL in other words. NO TOUCH SCREENS ???? What is wrong with your brain, boys ?? No Android games and apps either ?? Plus you got all those ugly slow MickySoft adds popping up inside your new Win 10 OS all the time. Bad show there, MS. Schools aren't going to put up with that at all. Students certainly won't. Plus, MS is apparently sticking with Intel x86 processors programming-wise so the final unit cost is going to be a good bit higher than the new ARM mid-Range products that are just rolling out into the marketplace. :P Chromekiller in 2017 is simply non-competitive yet again, due to Intel and MS's basic nature -- still all requirement bloated and power hungry. And $$$ greedy too. You would be money ahead to buy a plus spec'd Chromebook and put MS Office for Android on it, since you are going to have to pay for a new set of Office anyway even if you buy the MS device ..... (plus you get all of Chrome and all of Android Play Store freebies as a no cost extra). Last point -- MS has lost their coder base and their MS store is looking kinda sparse at the moment. Plus many apps that are still listed in the store have never been updated for the last half dozen or so of MS's frantic OS rewrites and that stuff just doesn't work right after a OS nightly update change takes part of it out .... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/23/17 at 12:08:05 http://https://d267cvn3rvuq91.cloudfront.net/i/images/chip2.jpg?sw=600&cx=0&cy=0&cw=1363&ch=912 Google tests second Quantum Computing chipset https://www.technologyreview.com/s/604242/googles-new-chip-is-a-stepping-stone-to-quantum-computing-supremacy/ Read the article if you have any interest. Quantum Computing doesn't use silicone gates, it uses quantum states of matter (real atomic level sorta stuff). Google and IBM are working in the field and have made great strides making it real inside of the last year. Smart long money says we will begin to depart "traditional" silicone inside the next 3 years as better stuff (Tensor Flow and now Quantum Computing) is showing practical progress towards real commercialization. Google is building and using Tensor Flow Processors inside its own server farms right now (for over a year now) so that tech is fully real right now. Google also has a strong R&D effort going on Quantum Computing. This year they plan to make up a Qputer that is more powerful than ALL the supercomputers in the world added together. That is 12 high speed diode laser connectors that are needed to just move data in and out of the current Google 6-Qbit Quantum Computing chip. Next one being built is a 50 Q-bit computer. The one after that is Unity, the 100 Q-bit capacity rig that is supposedly equal to all the rest of the computers that ever were built all stacked up together ..... Change, she comes ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/24/17 at 13:13:03 https://liliputing.com/2017/04/intel-optane-memory-launches-44-speedy-cache-compliments-hard-drive.html Intel Optane Memory launches for $44 and up thumbs down http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/optane_09.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 So is Intel Optane Memory worth the money? Maybe not. Let's be honest, the article isn't trying to do any serious bashing on Optane, but it stresses that the Optane idea isn't 1) fully cooked yet and 2) isn't the best bang for the bucks right now and 3) being promised a 1000x faster DRAM replacement tech and actually getting something only 4-6x faster that is only a hard drive buffer and still requires the same amount of DRAM sorta leaves a bad taste in the mouth. As Ars Technica points out, $77 is kind of a lot to pay for 32GB of storage in 2017. And if you’re going to spend that kind of money, you might be better off just buying a modern 120GB or 250GB SSD. It plugs into the same slot and it can hold your entire operating system while Optane can't and won't hold all of your OS system at all right now being it is limited to only 16 to 32 gigs of memory. PC World also notes that a high-end Samsung 960 Pro SSD currently offers better performance than Intel Optane Memory in several different benchmarks. It’s also worth noting that Optane Memory does not provide a way to speed up old computers, because it only supports computers with Intel Kaby Lake Core i3 or faster processors (which are just now shipping). So you’ll need a very recent system (or at least a very recent motherboard). Bummer .... so read your fine print, please before buying Optane. http://www.anandtech.com/show/11210/the-intel-optane-memory-ssd-review-32gb-of-kaby-lake-caching This is referred to as a reference source and it does contain some moderate Optane bashing that basically says you have to buy a new motherboard to use Optane at all and that the Optane SSD style strip 1) isn't as fast as was promised and 2) it will also draw as much power ONGOING as your old style hard drive does all by itself when it is running hard .... said HD you will still be required to have, BTW. So, for less money go buy yourself a Samsung 960 Pro SSD and plug it into your old motherboard ..... ::) Get the speed and the usefulness .... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/25/17 at 08:57:21 https://liliputing.com/2017/04/whoops-antivirus-software-webroot-bricks-pcs-deleting-windows-system-files.html http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/webroot.jpg?w=363&ssl=1 What did MS do in the middle of the night that caused a 19 time winner of PC Magazine's Anti-Virus and Web Rootkit protector shootout contest to start identifying system related MS files as malwares? Duh, because they were acting like malwares, maybe ??? Going places good software shouldn't go and then sending some data off to somewhere else ??? Mebbe ??? Possibly ??? Rest assured that MS will likely do a "pull back and reconsider" as the rest of the GOOD class of anti-virus softwares do watch specifically for certain types of behaviors and MS should not be doing those sorts of things, ever. And MS, replace all those tweeked files with the good stuff --- ASAP !!! |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/25/17 at 12:06:27 Ain't it interesting that the very next day after MS begins to get detected doing malware type things by the independent anti-virus/anti-rootkit softwares that MS announces this little nugget. https://liliputing.com/2017/04/microsoft-steps-push-office-365-subscriptions-single-license-office-installs.html http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/office-home.jpg In recent years, Microsoft has really pushed Office 365 subscriptions, but the company also continues to offer the single-time-purchase version, which Microsoft has recently started to refer to as Office perpetual (because you pay once and then you can continue using it indefinitely without paying any more). But in the future it looks like some features may only be available to customers willing to pony up the money for a monthly or annual subscription. In a recent blog post, Microsoft explains that starting October 13th, 2020 you’ll either need an office 365 ProPlus subscription or a version of Office perpetual that’s still in the “mainstream support” cycle in order to connect to Office 365 services such as OneDrive (to save files to the cloud, edit documents simultaneously with other users, and so on). In other words, buy a copy of Office 2016 and you get 5 years of mainstream support… including the ability to connect to OneDrive and other Office 365 services. But when mainstream supports ends (on October 13th, 2020), you’ll either need to buy a newer version of Office perpetual or pay for a subscription to keep using those features. Don’t need cloud services? No problem. Keep using your current version of Office indefinitely. But Microsoft would clearly rather get you to spend money on a regular basis. Here is the rub, perpetual licenses may do what they do up until they just up and stop doing it, but you have NO ASSURANCE that what they do today will match up at all with where MS goes with either Office, Cloud Services or with Windows itself. Yep starting tomorrow they could just change stuff and leave you permanent perpetual folks stranded. And you will be shite out of luck when that happens unless you have a subscription based Office license and you are paid up on your yearly forever repeating fee of $70. And, OBTW, if you get you a WinCloudBook you may get pay that fee yet again for the CloudBook stuff as that is "different stuff" from normal Office stuff. ::) ======================================= Folks are beginning to report and track Chrome OS separate from Windows and from Linux. http://i.imgur.com/rIKMe2e.png The imgur.com folks have begun to diffentiate between Linux and Chrome OS (a version of Gentoo Linux) on their own internal OS tracking. Point being that much of the notable rise in "Linux" lately is actually Chromebooks growing and doubling, year on year. Also notable, the out of the recent "uptick" in PC sales that is being reported by one tracking company is all due to Chromebooks and Linux as well. Note the notches in the rise of the red bars, these correspond to the two previous MS pushes on Chromekillers, pushes that quickly fizzled when the heavy cost subsidies and big ad $$$ ran out in a couple of months. Neither MS Chromekiller push did very much for very long and it may be seen on the first push in particular that the extra sales quickly went over into standard Linux instead of Windows 10. The first wave of under powered Chromekiller laptops wouldn't run Win10 worth squat and the Chromekiller laptops weren't locked down for much so they quickly grew one of the lighter Linux versions that would run quickly and correctly on the substandard MS hardware. Certainly a lot of the Chromekiller units did change over to Linux at the end of the first year when the MS "upgrades" $$$ came due ..... (Windows is still shrinking year on year ongoing, sorry) Will this "move the Chromekiller over to Linux" action happen yet again? It depends on how strongly MS BIOS/hardware locks down the new wave of Chromekillers -- MS has gotten better at locking down BIOS to hardware in the last two years. And, frankly, Win 10 was a ugly mess when they were building it back then. Win 10 has gotten relatively "better" and "more stable" in the last half a year so I think MS may plan their Chromekiller push a good bit better this time around and actually keep more of the machines that they subsidize this time around. (class action lawsuit time again, I think) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by rich8363 on 04/25/17 at 13:02:35 I'm an Andriod guy till I die. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/25/17 at 15:29:44 I'm a "buy a cheap $69 refurb conglomerate unit that was built up out of left-over Dell bits & pieces from a large lease return refurb run that has no MS OS license" kind of guy who keeps current DVDs of Linux Mint Mate around. I also bought a cheap win 7 install disc that I installed and upgraded to Win 10 during the big MS one year Win 10 push so yes I do have a Win 10 gaming partition that I can use for like 3 AAA games that I wanted that will only run on Win 10. My current $69 wonder is a 4 gigahertz Dell Core 2 Duo full sized case, 8 gigs of systems memory and a 160 gig hard drive and a $50 AMD based fanless video card that lets me play current enough AAA rated games at reasonable frame rates. ;D However, I do like to track the decline and fall of Wintel as they stutter and bump their way on into oblivion ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/26/17 at 09:38:00 Speaking of my old PC, I had a rule at one time that a generational benchmark point occurred whenever my current old refurbed Wintel machine got totally lapped by a cheap ARM SOC based credit card sized computer. https://liliputing.com/2017/04/hkey-960-240-android-dev-boardcomputer-kirin-960.html http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/hikey_01.jpg?w=517&ssl=1 this is a complete motherboard with an SSD slot on the back of it This is a VR ready Octa core set up, with Quad core A-73s backed by a Quad core set of A-53s on top of 3 gigs of ram and full VR Mali-G71 MP8 graphics. The SOC chipset comes out of a Huawei Mate 9 phone and apart from an elevated "first shot out of the gun" price point and a few gigs of memory my lap point is here, now. Within a year or so this will be mid to low range and CHEAP as dirt. Kirin will sell a lot of these chipsets to go into set top boxes which WILL carry slots for any desired amount of SSD & systems memory and all/any of the I/O types that I could possibly ever want. It already has full phone and WiFi radio capability (dual antenna, no less) and Bluetooth 5.0 as well. The throughput power level with 4 each of the current generation A-73 as the "power" cores will be up in the Intel Core i5 range and the Mali-G71 graphics are second generation VR graphics capable so it is better than what is in your old Windows box now. http://www.lemaker.org/Public/uploads/product/2017/0227/58b3b231a18ea.jpg this is a complete motherboard -- note it carries an SSD slot on the back for multi multi megabytes of fast HD storage "At first glance, the LeMaker HiKey 960 looks a lot like a Raspberry Pi. Both are single-board computers with ARM-based processors, a handful of ports and developer-friendly connectors. But while the Raspberry Pi 3 sells for about $35, the new HiKey 960 is priced at $240. So what makes this little computer worth nearly 9 times as much? It’s got the same processor as a Huawei Mate 9 smartphone, but in a desktop-style package. The HiKey 960 is basically aimed at Android app developers that want to create and test applications on a speedy ARM-based system. But it could probably be used for a wide range of applications if you want one of the most powerful ARM-based mini PCs around. The system features a Kirin 960 octa-core chip with 4 ARM Cortex-A73 CPU cores, 4 ARM Cortex-A53 CPU cores, and Mali-G71 MP8 graphics. It has 3GB of LPDDR4 memory, 32GB of UFS 2.1 flash storage and a microSD card slot, an HDMI port, two USB 3.0 ports, a USB 2.0 Type-C port, 802.11ac WiFi, Bluetooth 4.1, a 60-pin connector and 40-pin connector. The whole thing measures just 85mm x 55mm (3.34[ch8243] x 2.17[ch8243]) which means it’s about the same size as a Raspberry Pi 3". INTEL, put this inside your favorite used Altoids tin and it will flat-assed smoke all your existing low to mid range stuff ..... and some of your top of the line good stuff from a few years back like that big ol' Dell box that I am running right now. ::) ..... change, she comes ..... BUT, you say .... BUT is it REAL? If it was Intel or MS it would be at least a year out into the fuzzy future and it would never really arrive as originally stated. Rest easy, it is NOW and it is REAL on Amazon for $239. With Prime Shipping it arrives in two days or less. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071RD3V34 Who is building this ??? Lenaro, 96 Boards, LeMaker, Google and Huawei have built the thing as "the reference board" for the current generation of state of the art ARM stuff. As such, it was important that it arrive in a timely fashion, which it has done. However, it arrives at the current state of the art, which will age quickly over the next year's time frame. Next, what will it morph into? Being a generational reference board the total sales life will be 1-2 years, then it may trickle on for a few more months before being overcome by events. This board will see hardware on it get steady upgrades in components as the new stuff becomes available because being totally current is what it is all about. It ships with a Debian Linux version and Android 7.1 installed on the 32 gigs of flash memory. so it comes to you ready to use if you are a programmer type. Known flaws are very few, the Mali 71 VR graphics are very very sweet, but the HDMI jack on the board itself is pending a standards based upgrade to allow the full power of the VR graphics to shine on through on the "ancient" HDMI standard -- current recommendations are to use the USB C port to output any high level graphics as that USB C standard is much more current than the old HDMI standard ::) hey, 1080p on HDMI is sorta lame these days, sorry. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/27/17 at 13:14:09 Things are now MORE COMPLICATED, more so than in the past. The better ARM SOC phone chipsets are now up in the lower half of what we used to call the desktop PC power range power-wise. Intel is calling everything a Core i7 now, whether it meets the old Core i7 definitions or not ..... intentionally very very confusing and misleading ..... "Core i7" is now just a marketing brand name, not a processor description of any real definitive meaning any more. Faster, non-volatile memory types are rolling in now and PC makers are quoting "4x to 6x" performance boosts on their new motherboards. Surprise, the new memory is faster, but your ability to actually USE the stuff effectively is still very limited by your old motherboard construction, BIOS and the existing Windows OS versions right now. More severe OS/hardware lockouts and lock-downs are coming out from the Wintel group, with a resulting re-occurring mess when these new programming tweeks in the OS hit older installed equipment. On top of this, MS has suddenly realized that Chromebooks are eating their lunch by double digits and Wintel is now fighting back strongly now by using every dirty trick they have ever used historically. Including some VERY misleading sell in tactics (lies) about Optane and Win10 Cloud that will have many consumers finding themselves holding the sack at the end of the first year when all the unseen Wintel costs all come due on "renewal time". Google has been slowly and carefully rolling out Android Apps on Chrome, but going so slowly and carefully they have created a crack or penetration point that MS intends to capitalize on in a big way later on this summer. Look to see Google pick up their pace a bit and close down these cracks ..... Tensor Flow AI and Quantum Computing are real, with Tensor Flow having a 1 year testing roll out already completed by Google. Large amounts of non-volatile memory (systems use or hard drive use) are rolling into production as we speak. These are REPLACEMENT TECHNOLOGIES for our old PCs. 7nm lithography is real, running in memory/GPU space as we speak, with Apple running early at risk SOC production on next year's 7nm A-11 Apple chipsets. Apple is also installing A-12 production lines at two selected pet vendors, with this being a 5nm Xray Laser based lithography. You have bought your last traditional Intel PC. New stuff is coming at you fast. You are entering a time zone where it will be a conscious effort required to grasp all your available choices. Most folks will just buy what they did before, not putting out any effort into understand anything about choices available. MS and Intel are counting on you to do just that ..... "Wait for it point" right now involves the new style memory being NON-standard at this point in time and way way too expensive. A year of "wait for it" will bring you industry standards support for the new memory, a whole new lithography level and much better graphics and VR support. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 04/30/17 at 10:14:05 Follow the money ...... Intel posted a good year -- they had cut costs significantly by laying off all the PC people and closing down all the obsolete fabs and labs. Intel is now lean and mean and now Intel confirms it will grow only in the directions that the new money is coming in from. Intel is being funded by data centers and rack farm expansion sales right now, and their future business plan is going to be focused on that. All spare R&D $$$ is being put into Automotive right now, but Intel still isn't making anything yet that anyone in Automotive really wants at this point in time. What Automotive wants is this -- and it comes from ARM Holdings as of last month. http://https://community.arm.com/resized-image/__size/790x0/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-00-20-66/Camera_2D00_Car_2D00_ADAS_2D00_OmniVision_2D00_Mali_2D00_C71_2D00_ContentImage2.png Part of Intel's problem in Automotive is that ARM has just put out the very first automotive vision system "C-71 Camera Imaging Processor SOC" licensed design -- supporting up to 35 standard phone style depth-sensing cameras which can be polled 4 at a time which will allow a self-driving car to guide itself in real time without using multiple Lidars as is being done now. Self driving cars that you can afford, in other words. Yup, based on enhanced cell phone camera tech and cell phone SOC lithography tricks. Stuff that you can afford, in other words. Built in bulk at TSMC .... Tesla and others are licensing the ARM tech, making their own layouts and planning their cars around it as we speak. This Automotive grade ARM stuff is trickling back into phone land providing new super powerful phone, tablet and Chromebook product capabilities as well. This new sort of uber-tech from ARM is also being reflected in two brand new integrate-able SOC systems design products, combined with a Cortex-A replacement tech and a Mali Graphics replacement tech. The new core organizational systems design, DynamIQ, is an update to ARM’s existing Cortex-A offering. The Cortex-A variants made up almost 20 percent of all ARM-based chips in the first three quarters of 2016, according to the company’s last available regulatory filing. The new core systems design may help ARM, bought for $32 billion last year by SoftBank Group Corp., compete with chips engineered for neural networks, a promising type of artificial intelligence software. Rivals like Intel Corp. and International Business Machines Corp. have recently unveiled chips designed for these applications. It could also give ARM a better chance of making inroads against Intel in the lucrative server and data center market. It will certainly grease the way for ARM SOCs to become full desktop SOCs. Pair that with the new Mali-Cetas graphics system design, new stuff that can be included in Automotive grade systems, in phones, in tablets and in laptops and desktops as it is wanted or as needed. http://www.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/nexus2cee_cetus-hero.png http://www.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/nexus2cee_02_mpg_display_arch_ozkurt-10_575px.png http://www.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/nexus2cee_02_mpg_display_arch_ozkurt-11_575px.png ======================================= Over in rack farm land, Google's Tensor Flow AI boards are posing a major question to everyone in data farm / cloud tech land right now as they have HUNDREDS of times more throughput per rack card than anything else out there and there are lots & lots of people are attempting to talk OS and systems standards for this new Tensor AI based world at this point in time. Rack farm world is really very very fragmented right now and inter-brand & inter company interchangeability standards are needed going forward. DynamIQ may be a step towards providing this interchangeability standard. Successful compute companies will make this jump over to Tensor land as early as they can -- and right now the phone chip based houses seem to have the edge here since ARM base designs are reflected in Tensor's guts, not Intel designs. Older 28nm phone stuff in particular is strong in Tensor space -- Tensor isn't built nearly at state of the art lithography as it works very differently, by doing MASSIVE numbers of parallel tasks (200 per rack card right now) at relatively low megahertz speeds and low power levels. A single Google Tensor Flow processor on a single card is still yielding 30 times more throughput than Intel's fastest and most power hungry and very expensive rack farm card that is using lots of expensive memory and (count them) up to 32 Intel processor cores. ::) Boys and girls, the sheer amount and increased pace reflected in this recent ARM Holdings level of change is increasing beyond what was ever seen before ..... as Automotive and a new owner is driving ARM to innovate even quicker than Apple and Google ever did in years past. Look to see Google struggle to keep up with the Android OS systems needed to support this level of change year on year on year. Intel simply can't run at this new pace, see Intel fall over its own feet and do repeated face plants until it simply can't get back up any more. See Microsoft not be able to keep up with the programming needed for Automotive and see MS group itself together with Qualcomm to roll Windows over to Qualcomm ARM processors pretty much completely within the next 2 years and then see WinCom hunker itself down till the chaos and the shooting stops. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/01/17 at 08:59:23 http://asia.nikkei.com/Features/Company-in-focus/TSMC-looks-to-feed-AI-boom As the market growth in phones tops out, all phone related businesses are pivoting over to the next big expansion area -- which seems to be the Automotive, AI and Tensor Flow type areas. This article is basically financial in nature, and it is pointing to the dollars which say who is going where and how fast they are moving. http://asia.nikkei.com/var/site_cache/storage/images/node_43/node_51/2017/201704/20170427t/20170504tsmcmketcapcomparisonline/6581783-1-eng-GB/20170504TSMCMketcapComparisonLine_large_580.png What the $$$ are telling us is that Qualcomm is a PHONE company that topped out with the phone market and has now bought into the MS fantasy that MS and Win 10 can give Qualcomm a solid future. See self-deluded Qualcomm tank financially. Intel's eyes are open far enough now but as always Intel is too much of dinosaur reaction-wise to move FAST ENOUGH to get out in front ever, anywhere, doing anything that winds up being long term growth/profitable. But Intel is still trying ..... ::) yep, Intel -- go buy up another half dozen little AI companies and Automotive vision companies and go flail around some more while accomplishing nothing See TSMC lap Intel completely last month while producing only ARM designs .... yup, they just did that. Intel isn't top dog in anything any more. :P |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/02/17 at 09:15:18 https://liliputing.com/2017/05/microsoft-surface-laptop-windows-10-s-leaks-slightly-ahead-official-launch.html (got to cut and paste this to your search bar, the address is too long for YaBB to handle) https://liliputing.com/2017/05/microsoft-surface-laptop-designed-students.html https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/2/15506378/microsoft-windows-10-s-os-operating-system-announced-features Today is Windows S day Windows Cloud now has a name, Windows S (S for School, maybe ???) Well now, time has come to sort the peanuts from the shells so to speak. First, this is an ANNOUNCEMENT of a new thing which is coming supposedly this fall. (unlike ARM stuff, which isn't mentioned for much until it is available and being sold at Amazon in bulk) http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/surface-laptop_01.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 OK, what is known and real at this point in time? The only thing real at this point in time is a $999 Surface Pro laptop from MS and it is known to be running a cut down, locked down, limited version of Windows 10 called Windows S. Cut down, locked down and Limited means you have to have only S certified softwares that can run on the machine, softwares that can only be bought from the MS Store. S Books won't run anything without this MS Store Win S Origin Certification, so forget about your existing already bought software library as it won't run on S Books. Forget about downloading any misc. softwares from various places too. Can you say "NO GAMES, KIDDIES" three times fast (unless the games come from MS that is)? You can upgrade from Windows S to Win 10 at will, so I would think what we are also actually seeing is the phase in of the yearly subscription model on all Office 360 softwares which is taking place right now. The rub will be that the Win S softwares are going to HAVE TO BE resource/feature downsized to fit the minimalistic hardware that will eventually be shipped as the real student level Win S devices. So, we got no real devices right now at all, instead we got a $999 surface machine with a new stencil job on the lid and we got NO IDEA about the pricing structure for the required Office 360 S subscription package needed at the end of YEAR 1 nor do the School System Administrators have any costing or structure for the administrative softwares required to make up what is currently a "totally bare shelves" education software system. https://liliputing.com/2017/05/microsoft-surface-laptop-designed-students.html But in Microsoft’s case, this is a bit of a gamble: the Surface Laptop will be one of the first devices to ship with Windows 10 S, an unproven platform. One sure way to make it more attractive to first-time users would have been to offer an affordable Surface product that comes with the OS. Priced at $999 and up, it’s likely that the Surface Laptop won’t appeal to education customers or folks that aren’t die-hard Windows fans… :P Does this sound kinda like assbackwards implementation and "built to fail" or perhaps it sounds kinda like it is just a MS PR Department Yak Yak thing so they can say to their shareholders that MS is "competing hard against Chromebooks"? Compare and contrast to the directions taken by Chromebooks and Google (entire PlayStore is now available to students, School Administrators Education Package is free, Google Apps are free and year 2 yearly maintenance/upgrade costs to the school system for the whole thing are minimal and are done in an inexpensive per seat fashion. Chromebooks are REAL, they are rugged and light and DURABLE. Take it home and use it and beat the hell out of it, you can't hurt your saved data, ever. The Chromebook by itself is an education experience for the kiddies that they have proven that they can use and master. The Web becomes their oyster and they have proven they can learn and thrive just fine on a $189 Chromebook. No limitations, no lock downs --- side load whatever you want (and the kiddies certainly know how to do just that). In contrast MS S Surfacebook is expensive, light and fragile (not student durable at all right now). Students are locked out of their OS unless they want to go BUY some new stuff from the MS Store. When it gets here I don't think kiddies are going to be pleased with how far MS had to choke things down to get it to work on a real world minimalistic $189 Win S machine. I predict just another mild 2-3 month blip in the sales of Chromebooks. Since these Win S things are REALLY REALLY locked down, loading a lightweight Linux on the Win S's corpse will require a class action lawsuit or two (and mebbe a BIOS upgrade) to clear the pathway to be doing that simple reuse of the hardware. And folks really should be considering that before they go blithely hopping into that whirring MS wood chipper. ======================================== First pricing is in from HP and Acer at $299 (almost the exact same price as a Win 10 laptop) https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/5/2/15517120/windows-10-s-computers-hp-acer HP’s laptop is a new version of the ProBook x360 Education Edition, a rugged laptop with an 11.6-inch, 1366 x 768 display, Intel Celeron processor, 4GB of RAM, and 64GB of storage. The laptop typically sells for $329 or more with full Windows 10, but it’s on sale right now for $299, so it’s not clear how great a deal this Windows 10 S model is going to be. Wow, ON SALE right now for a big $30 cheaper than a Win 10 laptop normally costs ..... heck, you will pay twice that $30 amount per year in the REQUIRED yearly maintenance subscription costs which start after year 1. NEWS FLASH !!!! The internet briefly showed ONE (1) older $189 HP Streambook's picture listed as a Win S machine, but it was actually a sarcastic troll ware listing that when followed through all the links actually went to a $300 on sale Amazon listing for a standard Win 10 laptop. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D AVOID Windows S in other words ..... As it is now, simply AVOID Windows S Remember, you can buy a real Win 10 laptop cheaper when they are on sale ..... ======================================== Wait for it ...... the MS talking head apologists now say that the real $189 Win S student machines will supposedly run on Qualcomm and "other ARM processors" ...... when/if they ever really arrive in Win S land ...... ::) again, they say this Mickysoft apologist bullshite expecting us to believe that it is actually going to happen ..... Remember Qualcomm has 3-4 large Multi-10's of Billions of Dollars "restraint of trade" cases going on against them in South Korea, China and Indonesia and Qualcomm might simply lack the attention span and the investment $$$ right now to play "go take over the world" with Mickysoft. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/02/17 at 22:58:23 Get used to this, you'll be seeing it a lot out in the future ..... if you try to use a Win S machine anyway http://https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims?quality=100&image_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fo.aolcdn.com%2Fhss%2Fstorage%2Fmidas%2F5d8ff1a7dc72ce4ce03f13a95abfc1e9%2F204901991%2Fwindows-cloud-leak-thurrott-ed.jpg&client=cbc79c14efcebee57402&signature=480e18137f5cffd2d8ecda62720fdad8fb3ffb3 |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/03/17 at 09:41:02 Microsoft's mental picture vs Google's head set Google is deeply embedded in Tensor and in self driving cars and being a Cell Provider and two dozen other projects in addition to herding Chromebooks along. They can certainly allocate some more people to make the Play Store move quicker into Chromebooks, and they need to do this as this item is moving TOO TOO SLOWLY right now. New theory is that Andromeda is coming soon, so Google is not spending as much time on ChromeOS as they used to -- as Google knows it will be REPLACED soon with a unified Google OS. Tossing all your stuff up in the air right now is stupid, so don't do that, Google. Stick with what works, finish out the Play Store on Chromebooks and do it quickly. Microsoft is much much tighter in their focus now and is moving more quickly in what they are doing. MS HAS to be able to live and run on ARM processors in order to have a future, since Intel has signaled firmly that they are leaving the PC planet quite soon by the very first available rocket ship going over to the Automotive solar system. MS has shown us they can CHANGE WINDOWS AT A FUNDAMENTAL LEVEL when they want to as they have done it twice just lately. Once to support Samsung Galaxy 8's use of Office on the Phone PC thing and once again to put Win 10 S out as an anorexic diet slimmed version of Windows 10. Both items were done in support of ARM SOC space, supposedly. The whole complete package pricing thing is sorta kinda wrong right now, but that can change as new ARM hardware gets built and the Win S package gets tuned to fit the ARM hardware. AS FAR AS ARM SOCs GO ..... yeah, they really are strong enough to do the job now. Really, they are. MS has to go DO it though, because it is obvious their current Win S thing is clearly written for an Intel x86 chipset, not an ARM SOC. Qualcomm has just announced MS's Chromekiller chipset, the 8 core Snapdragon 660, composed of quad core A-73 and quad core A-53 with an Adreno GPU. This is the point where the whole thing can unravel and go sideways, just like it has in the past. See MS fail to pull off the software part while everyone else does their part to perfection yet again. I begin to see a better willingness to just go GO DO IT from MS that is refreshing to see after all these years of fail/fumble/fail try try try again. Perhaps they will actually go do it this time. If MS cuts down on all the excess fat in Windows and Office and STOPS people from using bulky super fat programs, then a quick and light Win S might just work very well on the new A-73 based ARM SOCs. But it requires a total rewrite of the base OS code to do that. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/03/17 at 11:55:34 This is funny, we have some leftovers from the last Chromekiller wave still lying around available to be bought for less than $189 .... .... with a complete updateable Win 10 package installed on it no less ..... https://liliputing.com/2017/05/can-already-buy-189-laptop-windows-10-pro.html http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/hp-stream-11-pro-g3.jpg?w=558&ssl=1 Why didn't anybody buy these? Because they SUCKED, badly, that's why. Even the chipset it runs off of is NO LONGER SUPPLIED by Intel. ====================================================================== http://www.pcworld.com/article/3193977/computers/googles-surging-chromebooks-will-test-microsofts-new-windows-10-s-pcs.html http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-s-chromebook-killer-or-the-second-coming-of-windows-rt/ Here are two articles that range the pack pretty much, one is by a disillusioned old Windows booster and one by somebody relatively unknown but who is being very even handed in his article. Both point out that folks are only talking about what MS might do, but since nothing is real yet --- that it is all PR suppositions. One writer bluntly states that MS Windows S machines will cost at least $230 and will have to have ads baked into the OS for the price for it to be that low. Nobody is answering the $$$ question about what happens in 3 months when the various MS price supports end ..... Me, I think MS can actually write a cut down x386 OS version that fits the bill for what they are trying to do, but nobody will want it and the vendor base will quickly turn back to what is really selling at that point in time. On the very first try, I do not think MS will write an ARM SOC supporting Win S version that people will like, as there are too many emulation road bumps on that pathway that MS has never successfully gotten around yet. But they will try try try try again as that is a future vital pathway that MS must be able to go down the ARM path at will ...... :P Did I mention you HAVE to use Edge browser on Win S ..... no choice ..... you are stuck with it? ======================== In the front of the main Google building there is a LARGE Chrome Android statue hanging off the second floor level --- much much larger than any of the Chrome statues out on the grounds. When he was put in, he was called Andromeda by the people working on him. Then the big silence landed as Google found out the Chromebook brand name poll tested to be a very STRONG brand name and they also learned the hard way that Android was a better brand than Pixel (hell, Nexus was a better brand than Pixel too). "Rebranding everything" went under the carpet for a while, and the ongoing VR changes, windowing changes and Play Store changes were just rolled into "Android 7 and Android 8" with Andromeda just being used as the reference name for the new "code mass" that was used to change Chrome OS so the Play Store could go out over lots of Chromebooks more easily. Now with Mickeysoft's Windows S being a VERY non-discrete vague (future) fictionally kinda threating thing, Google is now dusting off "Andromeda" to counter it. I think both threat and counter threat are mostly just future brown vapor poots, but I think Mickysoft is sorta treating the Google counter threat somewhat seriously as they have JUST ANNOUNCED A MICROSOFT "ANDROMEDA" OS SYSTEM OF THEIR OWN (made in India) THAT WILL RUN ON ARM PROCESSORS. A brown poot war between MS and Google might not work out so well for Mickysoft as Google tends to shoot real flaming bullets (being all humorless uber geeky the way they are and completely lacking a real proper style PR department that knows that all flaming bullets are always fake). Google is more likely to make up a partnership with LG or Huawei and design a real flaming bullet that will then have the FOSS design sent out to all the FOSS and Android players by way of the Lenaro store, then it will wind up also being put into the Linux Kernel too of course. Then everybody will simultaneously face away from MS at the exact same instant, drop their trousers, bend over and FIRE A HUGE MACHINE GUN STYLE "BLASTING BARRAGE" OF REAL FLAMING BULLETS all over MS's twitching and quivering (smoking and stinking badly) still vertical hole-riddled corpse. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/05/17 at 17:15:42 http://www.pcworld.com/article/3194946/computers/chromebook-shipments-surge-by-38-percent-cutting-into-windows-10-pcs.html http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2017/01/chromebook-100702146-large.jpg This is from PCWorld, not a Chromebook site. "In a slowing PC market, Chromebooks siphoned market share away from Windows PCs in 2016 as their popularity grew outside the education market. Chromebook shipments grew by a stunning 38 percent in 2016 compared to 2015. Gartner estimated 9.4 million Chromebooks shipped, compared to 6.8 million units in 2015. The number is just a fraction of overall PC shipments, but growth came in an otherwise down PC market. Overall PC shipments in 2016 were about 270 million units, a decline of about 6.2 percent, according to Gartner. Looking forward, 2016 may go down as the best year ever for Chromebook shipment growth. Gartner is estimating shipments to continue growing in the coming years but at a slower pace. In 2017, Gartner is projecting Chromebook shipments to be about 10.9 million units, a growth of about 16.3 percent compared to 2016. In 2018, the shipments will total about 11.9 million units, a growth of 8.6 percent. Analyst firm IDC has also predicted Chromebook shipments will grow by double-digit percentages in coming years. Most of the Chromebooks are shipping to classrooms in the U.S., Nordic countries, Australia and New Zealand. There is also growing interest in Chromebooks from businesses in the finance and retail sectors. Companies are using Chromebooks as no-frills mobile thin clients, considering they are cheap to deploy and easy to manage, said Mikako Kitagawa, an analyst at Gartner. While popular in the U.S., Chromebooks still haven't broken through in international markets, especially in Asia, Kitagawa said. Some basic problems, like a lack of cellular modems, are holding back the adoption of Chromebooks. Chromebooks today are reliant on Wi-Fi, which has a strong presence in the U.S. but not developing countries, Kitagawa said. Google, however, is taking steps to grow in international markets. Android is popular worldwide, and many new Chromebooks support apps downloaded from the Google Play store. Newer Chromebooks have touchscreens to run Android apps and now (being based more on ARM phone SOCs) they will have mobile carrier support as well. Samsung just went public with a July date on the full phase in of the Play Store on all existing Samsung Chromebooks -- likely this means all other company's Play Store coverage and windowing content levels will pick up as well. Let me repeat some of the numbers listed above. Chromebook shipments grew by a stunning 38 percent in 2016 compared to 2015. Overall PC shipments in 2016 were about 270 million units, a decline of about 6.2 percent, according to Gartner. In 2017, Gartner is projecting Chromebook shipments to be about 10.9 million units, a growth of about 16.3 percent compared to 2016. In 2018, the shipments will total about 11.9 million units, a predicted growth of 8.6 percent. Analyst firm IDC has also predicted Chromebook shipments will grow by double-digit percentages in coming years Now do you get a picture for why MS is shooting off their brown vapor cannon right and left ??? MS sees that they are LOSING GROUND to Chromebook, in REAL and INCREASING double digits right smartly unless they DO SOMETHING DRASTIC -- LIKE RIGHT NOW !!! |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by rl153 on 05/07/17 at 15:05:06 OF , I didn't read a lot of this stuff , but is there an android PC that you can connect an optical drive to that you can play and burn cds and dvds? Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/07/17 at 19:37:10 http://phandroid.com/2012/04/26/samsung-introduces-tablet-ready-dvd-drive-with-android-compatibility/ http://phandroid.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/samsung-se-218bb-1335372081.jpg Yeah, you can do it, but it isn't stock to either Android or to Chromebook. Both of these assume you are "more modern than that" and you want to stream your stuff directly from internet based web sources directly to your big screen. So, if you want to watch your DVD collection it gets more fun, you need a USB plug in reader that is compatible with your DVD and your android device. They exist, but with MULTIPLE international DVD standards in play simply buying a DVD reader for a given type can be a lot of fun now-days. And, they ain't cheap any more, either. Nor commonly available. Hint: Plug a $39 Chromecast into your TV and anything you can find on you phone is up there on the big screen, instantly. "Digital Rights this and that" will stop you from making copies of stuff like you used to be able to do --- so if that is your goal keep your old hardware that can still do it. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by rl153 on 05/08/17 at 12:25:01 Thanks for the info! |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/08/17 at 12:27:20 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/googles-fuchsia-smartphone-os-dumps-linux-has-a-wild-new-ui/ http://https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/12826430.png ..... to hell with them flaming bullets, let's give them boys Phasers to shoot back with ..... MS has now DEFINITELY started a poot war with Google over Win S and the "Andromeda" brand name -- now posting that MS is busily coding their own "Andromeda Win S" over in India as we speak. Everyone is watery eyed and choking on these really dense brown curry fumes at the moment, as although MS may be working on an ARM based Win S product, having them calling it an "Andromeda" is very misplaced, unless Intel has indeed lifted the FOSS code mass complete and is using it and chunks of FOSS Android whole hog in their efforts to roll forward quicker. MS could have done that you know, Amazon and Samsung did and have been successful at it. It is permissible by the Apache License model, but if MS lifts any of the GPL licensed pure Linux code and charges money for the enjoined product, then they forfeit the whole Windows thing attached to it and suddenly Win S complete becomes fully FOSS by stealing some GPL code. Only takes one lawsuit ..... http://https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/t1nRChkq6ozO0mzkC3KwznWnhLs=/0x0:4350x2560/920x613/filters:focal(1850x404:2546x1100):format(webp)/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/54674223/2.0.jpg So, Google has just released a new phone OS called Fuschia Armadillo and the first builds are being put into phones by enthusiasts as we speak. It is not as bulky or as slow as Android, nor does it have all the legacy entanglements of like 9 generations of Android, nor does it have the simmering lawsuit history of Android (complete with the awkward Java workarounds). Google, never one to compete in a market with a single OS product, is apparently hard at work on a third operating system after Android and Chrome OS. This one is an open source, real-time OS called "Fuchsia." The OS first popped up in August last year, but back then it was just a command line. Now the mysterious project has a crazy new UI we can look at, so let's dive in. Unlike Android and Chrome OS, Fuchsia is not based on Linux—it uses a new, Google-developed microkernel called "Magenta." With Fuchsia, Google would not only be dumping the Linux kernel, but also the GPL: the OS is licensed under a mix of BSD 3 clause, MIT, and Apache 2.0. Dumping Linux might come as a bit of a shock, but the Android ecosystem seems to have no desire to keep up with upstream Linux releases. Even the Google Pixel is still stuck on Linux Kernel 3.18, which was first released at the end of 2014. Google's documentation describes Magenta as targeting "modern phones and modern personal computers with fast processors, non-trivial amounts of RAM with arbitrary peripherals doing open-ended computation." Google hasn't made any public, official comments on why Fuchsia exists or what it is for, leaving us only to speculate. The "modern phone" shout out certainly sounds like something that could eventually compete with Android, but for now the OS is so early, it's hard to tell. Fuchsia really seems like a project that asks "how would we design Android today, if we could start over?" It's a brand-new, Google-developed kernel running a brand-new, Google-developed SDK that uses a brand-new, Google-developed programming language and it's all geared to run Google's Material Design interface as quickly as possible. Google gets to dump Linux and the GPL, it can dump Java and the problems it caused with Oracle, and Google can basically insulate itself from all of Android's upstream projects and bring all the development in-house. If Google is going to compete head to head with MS and Apple over the new increased power ARM processor land going forward, then using a brand new non-messy OS code base from the get-go would be a smarter place to start. Plus, as we learn a bit more about AI and Tensor Flow and Quantum Computing (where Google is at the head of the pack) seeing this brand new clean quick executing code base makes sense in that direction as well. (Tensor and Quantum use something as the code base -- might this possibly be the Magenta kernel ???) Neat and clean code with "faster execution" may be worth more in raw speed than the next little bitty very expensive move down in lithography size ....... This also falls in line with the sharper, cleaner "end of life" published times for the current Android items that have recently been put out by Google. Trying to modify Android to make it a full laptop/desktop OS is messy and complicated and (dare we say it) a good bit slower than a fresh start would be. Big Hint: Fuschia's graphics programming isn't just compatible with AMD's open source Vulcan Gaming Standard ----- it is Vulcan Graphics ----- Vulcan all the way, pointy ears and all. VR included. See Qualcomm doing the same exact thing ..... Vulcan all the way !!! Think you could game some on a Fuschia OS equipped device equipped with non-trival amounts of new style memory, hmmmm ???? ;) Live long and prosper, y'all. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/08/17 at 19:09:08 http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/sd630_660.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 Meet the chips that that the infamous new written in India "MS Win S for ARM" could eventually run upon, supposedly, once the evil brown vapor & curry poot smell fades from the room jest a little bit more ...... These are chipsets that would have kicked ass and taken names JUST LAST YEAR, but this year they are just middle tier chipsets with some actual real performance, graphics and modem improvements (compared to last year's near top of the line ass kicking stuff). Modem has been updated to Qualcomm X12 (updated from X9) Qualcomm Kryo 260 custom CPU cores (instead of ARM Cortex-A73/A53) Qualcomm Adreno 512 graphics (updated from Adreno 510) Yes, these are coming out of the gate just a little bit below the current Almost Champion SOCs, but by the time they reach you in a MS product the real Champs will be dethroned yet again by their replacements and these will be just good fast utility chips and the modernized ex-champs will be the Almost Champions. Practically speaking, the "coming soon 830 level" on this sort of chipset also will give you a pathway to move some "sub-par" 835 premium chipsets by downgrading them due to lacks on performance, graphics, etc. It also gives you a way to quickly move any "overproduction" which takes place on runs of premium chipsets. It also admits that large scale sorting is currently needed at the cutting edge of things ..... ========================================= Articles and posts are being written back and forth on School & Teacher web sites concerning MS's latest chrome-killer wave for schools. Public School level Chrome implementation leaders are simply saying to each other that MS stuff isn't there yet, THERE IS NO 3 LAYERS DEEP SOFTWARE/HARDWARE/REMOTE ADMINISTRATION STUFF THERE FOR THEM TO EVEN GO LOOK AT ..... Next, saying you are going to use current existing MS "Sys Admin methods" and/or "walk the changes around to all the machines by a USB stick" simply means you really will not even get CONSIDERED by a large school system. They don't have an IT dept. and they don't walk daily/weekly changes around to the machines right now, ever. Teachers are asking "Where are the teaching packages ???" Quick answer, there aren't any yet because you teachers actually wrote your own Chromebook teaching plans and powerpoint type web-based lessons and presentations over the years and you passed them around FOSS style, and polished them all up neatly into real teaching packages with real repeated use. Google just gave you the framework and distribution method, you guys did all the creation work. Can't do that with Mickysoft, MS teaching softwares can only be made by MS (or MS approved sources) and can only be sold in the MS Store. Else-wise the apps will not install on a Chromekiller. If you can put your own teaching stuff up as a web page, it is still useful though. Most of the good ones are done that way now-a-days. MS is just making some PR noises in other words, no real substance is there at all yet. Not a lot of detailed thought was put into it either. Qualcomm has already met their end of the deal, the Chromekiller ARM SOCs are now sitting there waiting on MS right now. Hey Micky ...... ya need to feed that bunch of MS programmers in India some meaner, hotter, spicier curry to increase their production speed some more. ::) The poot war with Google is just that -- and it served to crank Google up some and that is it as far as anything really useful coming from it goes. Current School Chromebook people are saying to each other that this is really a RETAIL BASED MS PR effort really, not a public school based Education effort at all. But it does show that perhaps MS finally gets it that their bloated Windows Office world is simply too obese for words and it needs to be slimmed down dramatically if it is to be competitive in schools or at general retail. And now the Education World is now flat out asking itself is teaching MS Office really "a be all and end all" for our students ??? The kids don't care what they use, they use it all indiscriminately and actually write their papers on web based softwares more often than not ..... College level education generally used to require the use of MS products like Word, but this was never consistent before the freshman college level English Courses. Colleges are busy changing this nebulous requirement as the "Office/Word requirement" is under attack inside the Faculty World itself as "un-modern" brand discriminatory and anti-FOSS, with the FOSS thing being a big buzzword thing in liberal university circles right now. Plus, the current modern MLA format does not require MS Word formatting tricks at the level it used to. Really, them older tenured profs were just being a bit lazy and not wanting to deal with anything different or new. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/09/17 at 14:23:50 Ouch, this site just got updated according to the current Mickysoft advertising "misinformation". http://chromebookvswindows.com/ And yes, lying to teachers isn't smart, it offends them greatly. ::) They react, they do, in print no less. ======================================== Early verification ------ you cannot load Firefox or Chrome browsers on Win 10 S ..... you also cannot load a Linux version, unless it comes from the MS and you pay MS for that privilege, even if you did that then it cannot load any free FOSS softwares as they are NOT IN THE MS STORE. Now, will any FOSS browser or FOSS extension or FOSS office type software take the effort and pay the cost to be listed as "approved" MS Store softwares ??? I think not ..... ======================================== Nvidia launches a "tentative" Tensor Flow competitor for Google to munch on .... Much Larger Processor inside it, throughput increase not yet determined ..... http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2017/05/nvidia-volta-tesla-100722178-large.jpg Nvidia says it’s redesigned Volta’s streaming microprocessor architecture to be 50 percent more efficient than Pascal’s, which is darned impressive if it proves true. That enables “major boosts in FP32 and FP64 performance in the same power envelope,” Nvidia says. The Tesla V100 also includes new “tensor cores” built specifically for deep learning, providing 12 times the teraflops throughput of the Pascal-based Tesla P100, Huang said. (Google’s also invested in tensor processing hardware.) This shows "program execution" GPU tech morphing over into Tensor tech .... blurring the lines between them. ======================================= https://liliputing.com/2017/05/windows-10-arm-less-locked-windows-10-s-supports-non-store-win32-apps.html http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/windows-10-on-arm.jpg?w=637&ssl=1 Microsoft now has two new ARM versions of Windows 10 on the way. Windows 10 S for Education is a streamlined version of Windows that will only run software downloaded from the Windows Store in order to improve security, performance, and the software update process. Designed with the education market in mind, it will also be available for mainstream users, and Windows 10 S is the operating system that will ship on the upcoming Surface Laptop… although you can upgrade to Windows 10 Pro if you find the stripped down operating system too restrictive. Oooops, we done buggered up again, badly -- quick retract it by twisting it around some and let's just try to confuse them a little bit ...... Microsoft also provided an update on the other one, Windows 10 ARM (Retail Space) at the MS Build developer conference today. And the company confirmed that not only would Windows 10 ARM (Retail Space) be able to run legacy apps developed for computers with x86 processors… but you’d be able to just download any old Win32 app from the internet, install it, and run it on a computer running Windows 10 ARM. In other words, Windows 10 S for Education runs on devices with ARM or x86 processors, but only supports Windows Store apps. .... right .... Windows 10 ARM (Retail Space) only runs on devices with ARM chips… but it supports apps from pretty much any source. nice recovery there, Micky me boy Developers don’t need to convert their software in any way, because Windows 10 ARM (Retail Space) includes a built-in emulation layer that allows Win32 apps to run on an ARM-powered system. ::) wow, wash your mouth out with soap, you lying dogs OK, now there are TWO (2) Windows 10 variants being built for Qualcomm ARM chipsets -- one is just for schools and one is just for the ARM based general populace and it isn't locked down any more than the rest of Win 10 for x86 is already locked down. ::) See, I told you -- feeding them Indian programmers lots and lots of HOTTER, spicer, meaner browner curry powder does the trick every time. fweerrrp ..... weerrrp !!! Double poots !!! Can MS actually compete in an open free FOSS space ??? History says yes they can once they actually go try try try try to actually go do it. They have done so in the historical past, but MS wound up not being able to keep up with the pace of CHANGE in ARM land and very quickly got left behind. Inside a year, actually. This is try #4, in year #4, doubled for dual curry powder pooting, but who is counting? Just how fast can Qualcomm do complex x86 emulation is the next big question, since this is gong to be just an ARM interface shell over top of the old bulky x86 base code. reminder -- all this is not real yet. Smells very strongly of curry poots, but is not real yet at all ...... Here are early details about the proposed Emulations Scheme. http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/windows-10-arm_03.jpg?w=700&ssl=1 |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/11/17 at 18:11:43 Prediction Time Microsoft tosses out an ARM emulation shell or two that kinda sorta works. And has lots of kinda sorta "not work" issues going on with each revision update and each new wave of ARM hardware. ..... gotta keep that nightly Paid Subscription update thing going strong and kept up to date, don't you know. Faced with hard choices and shrinking Intel inputs, Micky finally makes the hard choice and starts writing software strictly aimed at ARM and Tensor (maybe providing a x386 emulation layer to keep their old big business customers happy). This takes 2-3 years for MS to churn through, but in the end Micky writes for what is, not what was. This time line also bridges over to the new Tensor AI processors of which we now have THREE real examples, two from Google and one from Nvidia. Yep, you got that Tensor stuff headed your way as a "replacement" tech wave which will eventually come to PC land because it is 30 times better throughput compared to Intel's best Core i7 stuff right now, and this gap will only get better as time goes on. Just think of it, your own personal AI sitting on your desktop ..... ============================ https://liliputing.com/2017/05/ransomware-using-exploit-identified-nsa-wreaking-global-havoc.html Thousands of computers around the world are falling prey to a ransomware attack called WCry, although it’s also goes by WannaCry, WanaCryptor, or several other related names. According to the BBC, there have been reports of infected computers in “more than 70 countries, including the UK, US, China, Russia, Spain, Italy, and Taiwan.” The malware locks users out of their computers unless a ransom is paid in Bitcoin. The National Health Service has been hit in the UK, causing surgeons to cancel operations and emergency rooms to scale back. Spanish wireless carrier Telefonica has also been hit. The root of the problem? A Microsoft Windows security vulnerability first identified by the US National Security Agency, and released last month by a group called Shadow Brokers. OK, this sound somewhat serious, so anti-virus scrub your machines and < shudder > perhaps even consider letting MickySoft update itself once to get this patch fix pushed through to your Win 10 machine. I lit my Windows partition and noted that MS had taken my Malwarebytes off the machine again, and had screwed up my date and time again while doing its nightly secret magic stuff. I reloaded Malwarebytes and ran it and found some minor malwares that were already sitting on the machine, things that are now recognized as "known illnesses" by Malwarebytes. This too isn't unusual -- stuff gets known all the time that is currently on your machine but the antivirus hasn't caught up with the bad boys yet. I will leave my Win 10 lit overnight and see if anything shifts or changes when the pixies come at the witching hour ..... <one night later> USER BEWARE Microsoft downloads multiple full images of the entire OS (three of them) and installs them one at a time. The downloads fill up all available hard drive space, then fault at the end because the drive is "out of space". If you give it some more Windows room, it still faults because "the system change" invalidated the built in Windows key. "Go to the store and buy an new key". :P Mickysoft hasn't changed, just the same bumbling money grubbing nonsense as before ..... I have been around this rose bush before, I do believe. Got customer service on the line, they say my machine was never registered and I am not using my official email address either so they can't / won't help me. This is the same EXACT sort of run around that got me to dump MS the first time, 8 years ago. Went a round and around with the supervisory level person -- she successfully remoted into my machine and actually found the original key that came with the machine from Dell originally, but neither that key nor the virgin key and disk that I bought last year will "verify correctly" because of "other software issues". Yeah, I run Linux, but MS LOVES Linux, right? Frick MickySoft, they don''t get any more of my coins, ever. >:( ======================================== Fair is fair I cranked Windows 10 up again this morning and let it upload itself and install itself and muck around again all over the place again for as long as it wanted, and lo and behold I have a Win 10 system again and this time one that isn't telling me I am a software pirate this time around. So Micky can fix it if properly motivated, but like Freedom.POP phones, it ain't really worth the hassles it takes to get there. Part of the issue is me, not letting Windows boot but every few months -- the updates build up and get constipated, they do. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/15/17 at 07:47:08 End of the thread time. This thread is over for several reasons. Intel has already left computer space except for Core i7 line (this is the minimum spec supported now) and their brand new Intel 12-16 core Core i9 stuff that is coming out this summer. AMD is back, swinging 3 core, 5 core, 8 core, 12 core, 16 core and 32 core processors built brand new this year. All of this activity is all about GAMING, since none of it is needed or sought for home or business computing. Tensor, AI and Quantum Computing are real now with multiple prototype examples built already in data farm land with Google busily implementing its own Tensor Processors in all its data farms as a cost saving, 30x throughput increasing replacement tech for Intel. Microsoft is thinking about leaving x86 space now as their main thrust, and is getting into bed with Qualcomm ARM processors for their new "low end public space processors" in an attempt to compete with Chromebooks, which are still doing quite well now-a-days. Chromebooks are still hurting Apple and Microsoft and gaining market share by double digits in the last 4 years running. Phones can now drop into a cradle by your monitor and be a PC now days, and they are actually getting passably good at it. All our old major PC space players are paying a lot more attention to self driving Automotive space than to phone or PC space. In summary, MS Windows OS and MS Office has just gotten fatter and bulkier and more "feature rich" until it is jest plain too fat to fit down the little wires in your mobile machines any more. MS phone efforts are no more, accordingly. MS realizes this finally, and is coming out with a cut down slimmed down Win 10 S and Win 10 ARM to attempt to compete on the bottom end of consumer laptop space yet again. ..... by using x86 emulation no less, good luck with that Micky, you right stupid arsed 'ol sod that you are ..... MS is now going to be asking everyone (including yours truly) for a yearly $70-$110 donation to use their various products, by using the normal range of crappy MS tricks like cutting your stuff off and insisting you are a pirate and your software isn't real BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T BUY IT FROM THE MS STORE. MS is still shrinking at a 5-8% per year clip and has been doing this for the past 6 years. Both MS and Intel cut the vast size of their PC manning and operations way way down to free up cash flow to keep stockholders happy, and both are now showing to be fiscally profitable doing cloud and data farm and a little Automotive on the side. Both will survive, in other words. Google is doing well with no layoffs and is staying FOSS based and is at the head (or near the head) in every zone of endeavor they work in. Apple isn't doing as well, mostly due to lack of a good visionary at their helm. But Apple is still insanely profitable, and Apple isn't really worried about market share and mundane things like that. Desktop Linux is in flux, with Google moving away from a Linux Kernel basis to their own custom designed FOSS kernel called Magenta. Linux desktop distros are being hurt in general and ARE SHRINKING since Microsoft actually has gotten their act together a lot better than they used to. MS has finally learned how to lock down hardware so the new machines can't be readily switched over to Linux any more ..... Sad thing is that Linux is actually a better product and it is getting better all the time, but since MS isn't as nasty now the people loading a Linux for the first time has actually gone down over the last year. Of course MS can change this by attacking their customers some more going out into the future, and picking their pockets more and pissing them off in general more and more and more .... China and India and South Korea are the current main centers of portable computing growth, and the USA is now a portable computing backwater that gets the newest and the best one year after it rolls out in China and India. Most of this is due to Qualcomm, Microsoft, AT&T, Verizon various nasty business practices and the myriad crappy little things they do to keep competitors out of their markets. Lastly, I really don't think this thread gets read very much any more and likely isn't worth the effort to type it all out. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by ls650v on 05/15/17 at 08:47:04 Quote:
Actually it is the first thread I look for when checking in at SS.com. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 05/15/17 at 09:01:03 0D2E2624272E2E2730420 wrote:
au contraire mon frère It may not be a passion, but it is of interest. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 05/15/17 at 17:50:25 Another 327 or so looks or whatever OF and you will have hit the 10 000 looks at this thread. I do read it regularly, and as I've pointed out, don't understand most of it. It has got me Adblock Plus, a wonderful thing, and Google Chrome, unused, but there if I need it. You saved me from being sneakily "upgraded" to Win 10, I will decide if and when I need it. I submit ,with respect, that you should keep it going. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/16/17 at 18:21:44 After a few days off, I realize I was just over reacting in general disgust to dealing with MS Customer service and getting screwed over by them yet again. My statement at the time should have been "not spend another penny, not spend another word" as my revulsion at MS is quite complete at the moment. Although, to be fair, they did fix my machine the very next day. But I do not feel it is going to stay fixed. After talking to MS so much for so long, I honestly feel they consider me a not-real-customer even though I bought a copy of their software and upgraded it on their special offer -- there seems to be a new requirement in town that you HAVE TO BUY IT FRESH FROM THE MS STORE INSIDE THE PAST YEAR in order to have it be "verifiable". Them finding my original key still on the machine (the one they said before didn't exist) just pushed me over the edge, I think, and then when they then autocratically still said BOTH keys were "unverifiable" as they weren't sold by the MS store and couldn't be proven otherwise just snapped something inside my head and I went into a cold rage that lasted several days. I am not over it, just accommodating to the aftermath I guess. It is not healthy for me to get "floaters in the air" angry at something --- I could drop dead over that high blood pressure action as old as I am. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/16/17 at 19:23:00 https://liliputing.com/2017/05/machine-prototype-hpe-160tb-memory-ram-storage.html The Machine prototype from Hewlett Packard Enterprise has 160TB of new style non-volatile memory (both RAM and storage) http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/hpe-the-machine_02.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/hp-the-machine.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 The Hewlett Packard prototype Enterprise computer has 1,280 64-bit ARM-based ThunderX2 CPU cores from Cavium and runs a Linux-based operating system. And it uses “photonics” to transmit data via optic fibers rather than by sending electronic impulses through copper wire. HPE says that leads to higher efficiency, faster data transfer, and smaller size. We saw the light channel data transfer tech used on the Google Quantum Computer, so here is another tech that has to use that extreme level of data transfer bus speed ..... note please that the Google Quantum computer was 100 times smaller with somewhat similar through-put levels (using a different software basis) and a thousand times less numerous on the core counts. This last graphic showing multiple processors feeding off a central pool of fast, non-volatile memory is what you can see happening right now. This change will up performance by ~ 10 times better throughput on the new memory using existing ARM, AMD and x86 cores is going to be possible very very soon. You can bet new systems are being prototyped by all the major players as the old x86 ideas are about to be superceeded and they all know it. 7nm production of "video and Tensor processors" is already underway, along with new style 7nm memory production. Yes, very quietly the next nearest wave of change is being built for the data farm boys who have the deep pockets for their own personal cost savings uses. I say "video and Tensor processors" because AMD is including a few Tensor type processor cores in with each video card processor cluster that they design, Why? Because they think they are complementary processes and both will be used going out into the future. ============================= https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/google-brings-45-teraflops-tensor-flow-processors-to-its-compute-cloud/ Now let's talk Google Tensor Processors for a little bit ..... this one is the new 180 teraflops single Tensor rack card that just got outed at yesterday's Google I/O Conference. That's an IBM BIG BLUE supercomputer equivalent per card, boys and girls, a BIG BLUE per card mind you. It has (count them) 8 of the newest laser light type buss connectors per card, so there is some serious serious data being moved through the four (4) air cooled stacks of Tensor Processors .... http://hothardware.com/ContentImages/NewsItem/41071/content/Google_TPU.jpg http://https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/tpu_cityscape_forwebonly_final.jpg?w=680&h=295 Google has already gone quite far along down this road, having prototyped the original single layer Tensor Processor two full years ago (and then they ran it out over an entire mini data farm for their scaling tests) and they have now done the second generation of the Tensor Processor now and have already built the first full second generation rack test farm -- wanna see it? http://https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/tpu-v2-1.width-1000-640x364.png And the second rack set is right below it, taking up A WHOLE LOT LESS SPACE in an older rack farm facility. http://https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/tpu_person_forwebonly_final.jpg?w=738 TREMENDOUS PROCESSING POWER at low low energy and greatly reduced cooling costs ..... Google says that having done this will mean they don't have to expansion build 15 of the old style rack farms going out into the future. A 15 to one "throughput and efficiency advantage" measured at the rack farm level, in other words. The conjoined computing power shown in this picture is in the hundreds of PETAFLOPS in size and would make NSA all drooly jealous to have one in their basement ..... When this sort of tech comes to your desktop or to your automobile then look to see this change require a new OS system as it is quite different compared to the old Wintel world or the old Android world, but not really so killingly different from what already exists in the supercomputer Linux world right now. Magenta and Fuschia are being developed for a reason, you know Yup, them the current software grandkids of the old mainframe Linux supercomputer softwares would likely have lots of no fluff refinement (very fast lean and mean softwares so to speak). Now we begin to see why Google is making up brand new "consumer based" softwares, just to be able to catch what this bugger bear can toss over the wall, TOTALLY & COMPLETELY INDIVIDUALIZED output that is aimed at an end user's hand held or desktop device. What’s more, Google is packaging availability of these chips as a service on the Google Cloud Platform, substantially lowering the barrier to entry to this technology. It is also allowing users to start building their models on competing chips like Intel’s Skylake or GPUs like Nvidia’s Volta and then move the project to Google’s TPU cloud for final processing. And if that cost is a barrier, Google also announced free — as in beer — access to the TensorFlow Research Cloud, a cluster of 1,000 Cloud TPUs for researchers working on open machine learning research. FREE SUPERCOMPUTER TIME for FREE :) Yep, you got you another wave or two of change headed your way ..... yep, change, she comes yet again. What don't you see in these waves of change ???? Yup, no Intel and no Microsoft ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/19/17 at 12:43:24 The promised Third Level (last generation) of 10nm consumer production processes are here, now. Qualcomm and Huawei are participating on this new sub-section of 10nm, using four BRAND NEW box stock ARM Cortex A75 cores and four A-55 cores running with a 20% throughput improvement over the existing Qualcomm 835. Top of the heap life span of this generation will be only a half a year as the very first 7nm wave is pending very soon. TSMC is going to be a fab shop this time around, not just Samsung who is now extending all their efforts to drop down to 7nm on their next major chipset which will be out the first of next year. AND Samsung is struggling to make enough of the back ordered Snapdragon 835 chips for all the various premium phones and then make them for the long delayed Microsoft Chromebook killers, when and if that stuff ever actually does take place .... Microsoft ..... can you say "overcome by events" three times fast ??? You still really don't move fast enough to play in phone space .... This new stuff is bone stock ARM tested, ARM supported ARM designed stuff, and finally Huawei has actually made good on Mediatek's brag of being officially neck and neck with Qualcomm at a brand new SOC release point. In fact, Huawei has been ARM poster child for two consecutive ARM releases now and Huawei was the one that LENARO used to make up the official demo board for that earlier A-73 spec level. Perhaps a SOC upgrade to the demo board will come due at the end of this upcoming six months when the stock of already built up demo boards goes on sale and gets sold out -- I guess this depends on if the ball grid array on the SOC stays the same and how much the graphics side changes this time out. Or if the software / hardware changes enough to even need a new LENARO demo board as the old one was 12nm lithography and this one is third gen 10nm lithography. Or even if this third generation is going to even really last long enough to even need a demo board .... Qualcomm simply hasn't had enough time to tweek up their own Snapdragon core variant on this one -- and since 7nm hits in a few months after this one Qualcomm likely never will build their own tweeked cores on this particular sub-section of 10nm (as they are busy with 7nm as well). We look to see a new design wave out of ARM on Cortex A-80 big and A-60 little cores announced soon, paired to a new improved Mali VR graphics set that are all three going to be aimed at the new 7nm and 5nm production space. Some vendors are skipping out on 10nm completely and are bending all their efforts and development dollars at getting the new 7nm designs right as soon as possible -- as getting there first means a year of uncontested high end profits (for the first wave anyway) -- but this comes at the risk of some potentially LARGE EXPENSIVE sorts of screw ups which also can come with "being there first". Ask 'ol Samsung and Qualcomm about being there first all the time --- occasionally they do get to bite the big one, big time. Risk is minimal with this one, since it is a guaranteed ARM design that already gone through the ARM proof build process. ======================================== Since their vendors have announced phones with the new stuff inside them, ARM will now tell us all about it. http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/75_03.jpg? w=700&ssl=1 ARM’s Cortex-A75 CPU big core design is an upgrade to the Cortex-A73, and the company says it offers at least 20 percent “more mobile performance” in most tasks, with some benchmarks showing a nearly 50 percent improvement. Also note the A55 little cores got 2x more energy efficient and 25% more powerful, http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/75_02.jpg?w=700&ssl=1 The new Mali-G72 graphics tech is an update to last year’s Mali-G71, and it includes improvements that ARM says should make it a better option for virtual reality and machine learning applications. The company says it offers up to a 40 percent overall performance boost, 25 percent higher energy efficiency, and 20 percent better performance density. Once again, the current VR and AI tricks are baked right into the Mali-G72 GPU. Taken as an entire SOC, this new package looks to be an across the board improvement to the QualComm 835 family of chipsets which is the current cream of the crop ARM implementation. http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/75_01.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 Please note that the new DynamiQ is present inside this SOC design and IT CAN ACCEPT new styles of persistent RAM type memory and it can co-join with other SOCs according to the new DynamiQ methodology so look to see these chipsets show up in Automotive products. In this it is a clear advancement over the Qualcomm 835. Note that the lithograpy change didn't do all of this -- New Automotive demanded changes gave you shared memory access to the new Optane styles of memory for much faster throughput. Next month -- 7nm begins to roll through, further improving throughput and cementing the total future use of DynamiQ systems and fixing "pooled new style memory" as the only way going forward. I predict larger total core counts will begin showing up commonly as the existing chip ball grid packages have LOTS of spare room on them right now. POP memory (installed on top of the SOC at manufacture) will increase to over 6 gigs going forward and it will all be non-volatile memory suitable for both HD type app storage as well as system RAM uses. And all of this would fit on top of your big toe nail ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/26/17 at 18:15:50 We are entering a very dense area of VR and Automotive driven change now, with MS and Intel not even even showing up at the table at all, none, what so ever. At the end of next year MS and Intel will be running so far behind the "NOW" wave that what they do or say will begin to get ignored pretty much by the tech writers, kinda like they treated Texas Instruments once they fell off the map. MS's current promised Chromebook killer will be overcome by events, not being even close to current when it comes out all "way too expensive" and using last year's "used to be shiny new tech". |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/29/17 at 05:24:47 The promised Third Level (last generation) of 10nm consumer production processes are here, now. Qualcomm and Huawei are participating on this new sub-section of 10nm, using four BRAND NEW box stock ARM Cortex A75 cores and four A-55 cores running with a 20% throughput improvement over the existing Qualcomm 835. Top of the heap life span of this generation will be only a half a year as the very first 7nm wave is pending very soon. TSMC is going to be a fab shop this time around, not just Samsung who is now extending all their efforts to drop down to 7nm on their next major chipset which will be out the first of next year. AND Samsung is struggling to make enough of the back ordered Snapdragon 835 chips for all the various premium phones and then make them for the long delayed Microsoft Chromebook killers, when and if that stuff ever actually does take place .... Microsoft ..... can you say "overcome by events" three times fast ??? You still really don't move fast enough to play in phone space .... This new stuff is bone stock ARM tested, ARM supported ARM designed stuff, and finally Huawei has actually made good on Mediatek's brag of being officially neck and neck with Qualcomm at a brand new SOC release point. In fact, Huawei has been ARM poster child for two consecutive ARM releases now and Huawei was the one that LENARO used to make up the official demo board for that earlier A-73 spec level. Perhaps a SOC upgrade to the demo board will come due at the end of this upcoming six months when the stock of already built up demo boards goes on sale and gets sold out -- I guess this depends on if the ball grid array on the SOC stays the same and how much the graphics side changes this time out. Or if the software / hardware changes enough to even need a new LENARO demo board as the old one was 12nm lithography and this one is third gen 10nm lithography. Or even if this third generation is going to even really last long enough to even need a demo board .... Qualcomm simply hasn't had enough time to tweek up their own Snapdragon core variant on this one -- and since 7nm hits in a few months after this one Qualcomm likely never will build their own tweeked cores on this particular sub-section of 10nm (as they are busy with 7nm as well). We look to see a new design wave out of ARM on Cortex A-80 big and A-60 little cores announced soon, paired to a new improved Mali VR graphics set that are all three going to be aimed at the new 7nm and 5nm production space. Some vendors are skipping out on 10nm completely and are bending all their efforts and development dollars at getting the new 7nm designs right as soon as possible -- as getting there first means a year of uncontested high end profits (for the first wave anyway) -- but this comes at the risk of some potentially LARGE EXPENSIVE sorts of screw ups which also can come with "being there first". Ask 'ol Samsung and Qualcomm about being there first all the time --- occasionally they do get to bite the big one, big time. Risk is minimal with this one, since it is a guaranteed ARM design that already gone through the ARM proof build process. ======================================== Since their vendors have announced phones with the new stuff inside them, ARM will now tell us all about it. http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/75_03.jpg? w=700&ssl=1 ARM’s Cortex-A75 CPU big core design is an upgrade to the Cortex-A73, and the company says it offers at least 20 percent “more mobile performance” in most tasks, with some benchmarks showing a nearly 50 percent improvement. Also note the A55 little cores got 2x more energy efficient and 25% more powerful, http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/75_02.jpg?w=700&ssl=1 The new Mali-G72 graphics tech is an update to last year’s Mali-G71, and it includes improvements that ARM says should make it a better option for virtual reality and machine learning applications. The company says it offers up to a 40 percent overall performance boost, 25 percent higher energy efficiency, and 20 percent better performance density. Once again, the current VR and AI tricks are baked right into the Mali-G72 GPU. Taken as an entire SOC, this new package looks to be an across the board improvement to the QualComm 835 family of chipsets which is the current cream of the crop ARM implementation. http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/75_01.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 Please note that the new DynamiQ is present inside this SOC design and IT CAN ACCEPT new styles of persistent RAM type memory and it can co-join with other SOCs according to the new DynamiQ methodology so look to see these chipsets show up in Automotive products. In this it is a clear advancement over the Qualcomm 835. Note that the lithograpy change didn't do all of this -- New Automotive demanded changes gave you shared memory access to the new Optane styles of memory for much faster throughput. Next couple of months -- 7nm begins to roll through, further improving throughput and cementing the total future use of DynamiQ systems and fixing "pooled new style memory" as the only way going forward. I predict larger total core counts will begin showing up commonly as the existing chip ball grid packages have LOTS of spare room on them right now. POP memory (installed on top of the SOC at manufacture) will increase to over 6 gigs going forward and it will all be non-volatile memory suitable for both HD type app storage as well as system RAM uses. And all of this would fit on top of your big toe nail ..... ======================================== Uh, lets talk about those A-55 littles a bit. They share a DynamiQ pooled bus and DynamiQ pooled memory and it can use the new style non-volatile memory as they come bone stock from ARM. You can buy design packs of 2, 4 and 8 cores of the A-55 little main cores to go along with your any count of A-75 big cores. Please remember the A-55 has twice the throughput, is twice as energy efficient and overall is twice as "good" as an A-53 and four times as good as a A-57 used to be. Cast your mind back a whole year, and remember when 8 each of A-53 or A-57 used to make up an upper end Chinese phone. Then remember that the new A-55 is TWICE as good as a A-53 that is selling right now. So, box stock from ARM you got low end phones at 4 each A-55 cores and upper level low end phones at 8 each A-55 cores all with performance that kicks the butt of what we sell as a primo phone right now. Cheap. Using Android O that can show a full sized monitor screen, run a keyboard and mouse FROM YOUR POCKET, box stock. Add some A75 big cores to it and it gets downright flat big computerish in the CPU power level department. And in the GPU department too. Clearly Better than what you got now, anyways. Runs VR natively and can GAME real Vulcan based AAA games as it sits there in your pocket ..... running the keyboard mouse and monitor using Bluetooth 5.0 (no cables). And, at 10nm the stuff is now so small there is lots and lots of unused room on the standard SOC POP die packages for lots and lots of other associated stuff to go into the SOC itself. To pull LOTS & LOTS of memory from the pooled new style memory pool and to share whatever passive cooling system (the aluminum frame, generally) that the SOC itself uses. Phones, even low end phones are going to get a WHOLE lot better, more capable and cheaper, real soon. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/30/17 at 05:22:53 https://liliputing.com/2017/05/intel-unveils-core-x-series-chips-including-18-core-core-i9-extreme-edition-cpu.html http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/coffee-lake.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 Intel has decided to only compete with AMD for the very very top end of desktop PC gaming land. Below Core i7, Intel has given up pretty much completely and will sell out what finished stock that they have and will only consider any new production on a by case basis. ARM chipsets are jest lousy everywhere now in the mid to low range marketplace, eating up on anything below i7 territory (and beginning to get up into the i7 turf starting late this year). COMPUTEX has Intel flat reeling, firing off their BS brown vapor cannon saying they are going to beat 10nm and 7nm AMD processors using only their 14nm Intel tech, all the while they are flat standing in a piranha infested stream with their lower legs and feet flat getting nibbled away by a vast multitude of them sharp toothed little ARM SOC fishes. Yup, and now Intel is being "reality forced" into saying all their bold plans with LG about making up ARM octa-cores on their proprietary Intel processes (Intel acting as a fab house) have come up a crapper for the third iteration in a row now. THIS DOES NOT COUNT THE 5 SOPHIA MESSES WITH ROCKCHIP THAT FAILED REPEATEDLY IN THE HISTORICAL PAST -- these are just the very recent Intel promised, LG ordered chipsets that Intel couldn't build at the price they quoted. ::) Once again, the "Apple ditching Intel" rumors are moving around Mac Land again as Apple sees Microsoft busy ditching Intel as their middle to lower end supplier of MS processors. Apple also sees Intel cutting off everything below Core i7 and Apple sees where this is headed as well. Apple also has their new A-11 and A-12 chipsets going into production at TSMC at 7nm and 5nm respectively, so Apple does have real alternatives with ample processing power to do their own bail out in house. Intel, you had better DO what you say about these new Core i9 processors as your believe-ability is being completely and publicly questioned even now as you shoot off the big brown vapor PR BS cannons again at COMPUTEX. Apple also is feeling the bite as Chromebooks continue cutting into their low end laptop sales more and more and more -- and Apple needs to come up with a plan to handle that as Google is planning on using those massive, fast, cheap Tensor data farms to remote support the new crop of ARM based Play Store Chromebooks at a even greater level than they have in the past. :P See Intel PR themselves into an early "irrelevance" as they make and break yet another year's worth of BIG BIG Promises to the computing industry. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/31/17 at 09:31:34 Demos at COMPUTEX from both MS and from Qualcomm are showing that 3 major PC laptop vendors are indeed building fully cell tower connected fanless light Chromekiller laptops using the Qualcomm 835 chipset -- and why this is important to the still growing Asian laptop market. Asia is not wifi based, it is CELL TOWER based all the way. This has been an Asian roll out slow down thing for Chromebooks as they are at root a wifi based technology. Watch Qualcomm play to this need, strongly, using the built in x16 phone modem offering full GIGabyte connection speeds using Asian cell tower technology. HP, Lenovo and Dell are all coming out with specific very light laptops for schools and for BUSINESS that use Win 10 (both ARM EDUCATION model and ARM BUSINESS model). Next, using built in caching and the new memory, the Win 10 experience on 835 seems quite fast, amazingly enough. The new memory is making the needed difference, I do believe. We also note that using a Bluetooth 5.0 earpiece and mic, the newest Chromekiller is also a fully functional call making cell phone set up -- a naturally great fit for customer service people. Seems fast enough to me ..... things just got a bit more fun accordingly. ;D ..... poor Intel, now they get to gracefully bow out and quit in the lower half of their old market share ..... ======================================= https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-may-not-first-snapdragon-835-windows-10-laptop (read the comments, they are a hoot) NEWS FLASH : The live demos shown at the show were all of a class of apps (old Win8 for ARM apps) that do not require the use of the not yet finished emulator package to make them run. As such, the ANGRY comment boys in all the net sites are chewing on MS's butt for Mickey thinking that show going end users were actually stupid and dumb enough for Mickey to sneak this one past them -- hey, I was. http://https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fc22e8828d0ac49865c8f51ce951400dd357b6dcdbb2a703b994da4aab4748f5.jpg?w=800&h=563 Where do you fall in the chart above ??? ;D Mickeysoft BS Marketing at their very best ..... Supposedly the Real McGillah will be ready by the 2017 Christmas sales season ....... ====================================== MobileGeek gets "hands on time" in private with a Win10 ARM machine and runs a video of what they saw while putting it through its tricks. They saw some slow, but less than I would have expected considering the software wasn't completely optimized for the actual Snapdragon 835 processor yet. They actually saw some emulation, and saw some emulation speed that wasn't too terrible in their opinions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeOQp5V7EgM |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 05/31/17 at 17:20:26 Apple stages a 10 Billion dollar divorce from Qualcomm as WinCom begins to form up over in MS laptop land. This past week Apple also hired away the Qualcomm VP of Chip Design and several of his key development engineers. These are the same folks who built the Snapdragon 835 SOC that Mickey is sinking their future into. The very first steps from the new Apple SOC design team -- put together a SOC mounted gigabit radio modem that can operate in all global zones. Apple has used both Qualcomm and Intel modem/radios in the past, but is unhappy with both these suppliers right now. Apple will be the fourth major player to do this key element of mobile product design in house. Intel, Huawei and Mediatek have already completed their "no royalty 100% in house radio design" so that they can break cleanly away from Qualcomm's very spendy radio tech. Apple has also put together a team to design their own graphics subsystem -- as they are tired of paying for expensive and "not quite good enough" VR Graphics too. The PC laptop chip of the future will need a Really Good cellular radio/modem as gigabit connectivity is the coming thing. It will also require VR ready graphics that is 100% keyed into an accepted graphics standard, like the FOSS Vulcan standard for example. All of these items will be an integrated part of the SOC chipset itself. Lastly, it is clear that Apple can finally get rid of Intel at will once they have done these things, as Intel actually brings very little to the Gigabite connected Laptop world. Really, Intel is just good for a non-integrated CPU and a not so great radio which is less than a third of the total needed SOC design package. Remember, Apple is a large share holding chunk of ARM Holdings, and they already participate in the DynamiQ shared memory and multi-core multi-chipset integration systems and APPLE is already on board with the A75 and A55 core changes. Apple also funds the very cutting edge of lithography and already has its 5nm lithography in early "at risk" production. Apple has been running 7nm for nearly a year now and Apple has already accumulated a goodly stockpile of 7nm chipsets for their next iPhone models. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 05/31/17 at 20:04:29 Jeez OF another 60 or so hits and you will be at the 10 000 looks at your thread. Meanwhile, in the fungal darkness of computer illiteracy land, I get frequent little things telling me that "Windows cannot update automatically" computer is still on Win 7 and sometimes is slow, computer hasn't died yet, Norton seems to keep the viruses away and Norton and my ISP's spam filters have stopped virtually all of that. ABP seems to work fine. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/01/17 at 18:59:35 OK, hard ass kicking competition time between Chromebook and MS Chromebookkillers. The name of this first bout of the total competition series is "Who is further-est from being completely ready to actually compete". AND THE WINNER IS ....... both of them. ======================================= In this corner, theSamsung Chromebook Plus has an Intel Core M3 hardware bug and the matching ChromeOS system needs modifications for that flaw because the Intel Core M3 hardware simply isn't right but Samsung has already built the machines and is shipping out the product anyway to the all their pre-order people with promises of "the fix is coming next week". Remember, Samsung also has their one step down Rockchip RK3399 ARM based unit COMPLETED and fully operational now and it has been shipping for months now. Naturally, it is only the Samsung Intel Core M3 based Chromebook Plus unit that is giving everybody fits right about now ..... So it is Google that now has to fix the Intel Core M3 hardware bug by shifting their software around, then pushing the changes out to all the Chromebook Plus machines out there and then keeping track of that bug fix from now on ..... all that just for that one errant, bug laden Intel Core M3 processor based Samsung Chromebook Plus unit. ..... and amazingly enough, Google can handle that sorta stuff, seamlessly & reliably, fixing it from now on until the Samsung Chromebook Plus Intel Core M3 hardware rusts away completely. (fixed as of 6/10/17) ======================================== So, in the other corner of the ring Microsoft doesn't have a real ARM OS written and released yet (neither one of the two of them) nor does it have a single real vendor built vendor released physically real ARM laptop that can be bought at this time as we speak. They got two (2) demo units at the show though, demos that only run on really beefy Intel Core i7 Deluxe $999 Surface Laptops ..... and hey, you can touch them for demo purposes, but you cannot own them. Got them some carefully selected "shows good" software on them, but it isn't anything that is Win 10 current (it is Win 8 era stuff). There will be no real fight here because the MS corner is empty, except for a lingering odor of curry poots and the vague holographic imagining of a guy wearing gloves. ;D ARM based Play Store Chromebooks in general are much further along, with a full software distribution in place with the vast majority of the software being completely written and in good working order, and they do have several dozen real ARM based products sitting at Amazon.com just awaiting for your orders to buy them. So, MS is still just pushing BS brown curry poot vapor at the moment, BS brown curry poot vapor that is only running demo on some really really beefy Core i7 demo machines right now. HOWEVER, IF IT WAS A "BEST PR AND ADVERTISING DEPARTMENT" CONTEST MS's BROWN CURRY POOT VAPOR BULLSHITE WOULD WIN, HANDS DOWN. :D ...... best set of wishful curry poot thinking I have ever seen, ever ...... People are now questioning if it is all just a Microsoft FUD campaign to keep old loyal Windows people from buying that critical first Chromebook, as after that first Cromebook is tasted over half of the Joe Sixpack user group never go back to Windows again. Google just mundanely plows along, doing ARM based Play Store stuff for really real and making zero fuss about the whole thing. MS is having to react to Google, not the other way around ..... ;D MS has certainly won the design contest for the best Venn Diagram product description delineating their pending Chromebookkiller product offerings. http://https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fc22e8828d0ac49865c8f51ce951400dd357b6dcdbb2a703b994da4aab4748f5.jpg?w=800&h=563 Please do realize that this will change, and that Mickey will indeed come out with a real shippable product and after that happens it will be extensively cross reviewed against the really real price equivalent Chromebooks. ..... go read that Venn Diagram again --- 'cause there ain't any MS that are really real right now that are anywhere close to being price equivalent to the Google products..... and this situation may never change. ;) And we will see who kills whom over the second half of the calendar year. We got Nvidia and AMD who are now planning on turning loose GPU augmented computing on the masses (since Intel has no new CPU power levels to show anybody) and their "wonderful new Intel memory stuff" isn't really any better than anybody else's new memory stuff. Both Google and Nvidia have also prepped commercial implementations of AI based on their takes on massively parallel chipsets that hale from GPU tech, not from CPU tech at all. AMD is integrating cores of both tech types into their Ryzen line of CPU/GPU products as AMD sees them as complementary processes. These are massive seismic shifts in computing power -- 1,000 times more throughput kinds of shifts ..... Google buys into several standards things that will permit them to move forward from here, FOSS Vulcan tech (same stuff that AMD is now putting into all their chipsets) and Google also believes in and uses the ARM DynamIQ standards from the ARM Automotive side of things as well -- using the newest big little core types from ARM that also incorporate all of these items. The computing world is getting ready to make a warp speed jump, and Intel and MS are not ready yet, way way not ready yet ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/04/17 at 01:27:48 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/01/google-submits-plans-million-sq-ft-london-hq-construction-kings-cross http://https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/da5c26f389ed43b939cd437000c2372f3197230a/0_79_1280_768/master/1280.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=62a6627b8622db15b3a922e2fc5dfa2d http://https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/85fb64f69019eb338d614be58a71ebeff864cc3b/0_125_1280_768/master/1280.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=e39c8358aed341e64d24331046bc1648 http://https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/ffcdd6c2f2163c2974010aa1a158f76d8cc8882c/52_0_1312_787/master/1312.png?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=2f5ec7c9a44aeeb1c112b94b2a825779 The losers shrink and the winners grow ---- This is Google growing some more. Tensor Processing and Quantum Computing and STATE OF THE ART self driving cars and trucks are the sorts of things that make a company GROW and EXPAND quite rapidly. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows Protecting x86 ISA I Post by Oldfeller on 06/09/17 at 13:32:05 https://liliputing.com/2017/06/intel-makes-not-subtle-threat-qualcomm-microsoft-plans-emulate-x86-tech-arm-chips.html Protecting x86 ISA Innovation ..... i.e. the Wincomm Snapdragon 835 emulation chromekillers just died a hard early death ..... Intel invests enormous resources to advance its dynamic x86 ISA, and therefore Intel must protect these investments with a strong patent portfolio and other intellectual property rights. The following graph shows that relentless instruction set innovation translates into a deep and dynamic patent portfolio with over 1,600 patents worldwide relating to instruction set implementations. http://https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/06/x86-graph-2x1.jpg Intel carefully protects its x86 innovations, and we do not widely license others to use them. Over the past 30 years, Intel has vigilantly enforced its intellectual property rights against infringement by third-party microprocessors. One of the earliest examples, was Intel’s enforcement of its seminal “Crawford ’338 Patent.” In the early days of our microprocessor business, Intel needed to enforce its patent rights against various companies including United Microelectronics Corporation, Advanced Micro Devices, Cyrix Corporation, Chips and Technologies, Via Technologies, and, most recently, Transmeta Corporation. Enforcement actions have been unnecessary in recent years because other companies have respected Intel’s intellectual property rights. However, there have been reports that some companies may try to emulate Intel’s proprietary x86 ISA without Intel’s authorization. Emulation is not a new technology, and Transmeta was notably the last company to claim to have produced a compatible x86 processor using emulation (“code morphing”) techniques. Intel enforced patents relating to SIMD instruction set enhancements against Transmeta’s x86 implementation even though it used emulation. In any event, Transmeta was not commercially successful, and it exited the microprocessor business 10 years ago. Only time will tell if new attempts to emulate Intel’s x86 ISA will meet a different fate. Intel welcomes lawful competition, and we are confident that Intel’s microprocessors, which have been specifically optimized to implement Intel’s x86 ISA for almost four decades, will deliver amazing experiences, consistency across applications, and a full breadth of consumer offerings, full manageability and IT integration for the enterprise. However, we do not welcome unlawful infringement of our patents, and we fully expect other companies to continue to respect Intel’s intellectual property rights. Strong intellectual property protections make it possible for Intel to continue to invest the enormous resources required to advance Intel’s dynamic x86 ISA, and Intel will maintain its vigilance to protect its innovations and investments. Steven Rodgers is executive vice president and general counsel for Intel Corporation. Richard A. Uhlig is an Intel Fellow in Intel Labs and director of Systems and Software Research. Oh you Chromekiller boys, yeah, all you new Qualcomm 835 guys ....... Intel wishes to have a word with your lawyers if you aren't too busy at the moment, all running around rapidly emulating Intel's carefully patented and RESTRICTED x86 instruction set stuff already ...... And between the lines is Intel's clear intentions to join in with the group of old large patent trolls who love to stifle other folks progress in order to line their own pockets. In this sort of environment you can see the wisdom of Google in cranking up a brand new modern code based OS system that has NO OLD ROOTS to go get sued over and derailed over again and again, etc. etc. Mickey me boyo -- go write you some virgin ARM code for Win 10 and quit screwing around trying to cut corners. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/10/17 at 16:30:03 Chrome Killer Pricing that currently supports a "normal" profit margin for MS and now it has to support a new "just now demanded" cut to pay off Intel, and both of these on top of Qualcomm's significant "manufacturing cost" for the Snapdragon 835 (Samsung actually manufactures the chipset) -- well then ya gotta expect that the "out the door cost" on the proposed (no "non-entangled" software written yet at all) for the Qualcomm 835 Chromekillers are already going to be way way way out of the effective price range right now even before the first one is shipped. Not that they were ever in the effective price range to begin with, a Rockchip RK 3399 just isn't anywhere as expensive as a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835, and that even before you start giving all the other various Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 players their big juicy pink slices of roast beef. If you are confused in reading all this, carefully read the Venn Diagram attached below to achieve some clarification of the real situation. http://https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fc22e8828d0ac49865c8f51ce951400dd357b6dcdbb2a703b994da4aab4748f5.jpg?w=800&h=563 |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/12/17 at 02:35:33 Intel is truly suffering from a bout of non-decisive non-direction that took place over a year ago. Intel decided to hang with 14nm while everybody else went down to 10nm. Intel then lied out their butts and said their 14nm was "same a everybody else's 10nm" and then they tried to utilize their fancy new memory to make it so functionally -- but that didn't work out as planned. Qualcomm 835 and AMD Ryzen proceeded to kick Intel's butt and then MS jumped ship on Intel over to Qualcomm as well. Apple then jumped ship on Qualcomm over to their own homegrown ARM processors (with base-band modems and radios included) and then hit Qualcomm with a big arsed separation lawsuit as well. Apple is currently using some not so nice wrong voltage out of date Intel radio/modems, as a stopgap measure until they can design and build their own radio/modems in house (run at TSMC as part of the entire Apple SOC package). Apple building their own base-band, radios and modems next year means relatively soon radio/base-band death for Intel and then later on for Qualcomm as well .... within the next 2-3 years anyway. The Orientals are busy doing the same thing as Apple is doing as Qualcomm really isn't anybody's favorite supplier at the moment (kinda like Intel, huh?) Qualcomm key employees are being head hunted and are jumping ship by the dozens ..... Intel is now reacting to all of this by going all short term x386 patent lawsuit threatening -- doing the narsty legal thing on all of their old buddies trying to patent force them to use non-current Intel not-a-SOCs and Intel's various outdated this and that high voltage componentry as well. This sort of action is completely derailing MS's new Chromekillers and it is really messing Qualcomm up as they were counting on the enlarged Snapdragon 835 $$$ volumes to bolster them up for the rest of this year. This situation really hurts when taken along with all the other things that are going wrong in legal land for Qualcomm at the moment. Qualcomm is being sued for 10's of Billions in every nation in the Far East for "Actions in Restraint of Trade" and so far has lost each and every case tried in an Eastern court. Qualcomm's current merger partner NXP Semiconductors is kicking them out of the merger bed now because of these growing problems and Intel is also acting to block Qualcomm's move to get into MS big round sticky stinky bed in Intel's place. NEWS FLASH, THE EU SAYS NO DEAL TO THE NXP/QUALCOMM MERGER, NO FRICK'N WAY JOSE. QUALCOMM IS SEEN AS A "KNOWN BAD PLAYER" in the EU. This puts Qualcomm off all their planned pathways .... and they are now out in the cold like Intel is now. Both sets of stock values are declining accordingly ..... Who isn't all messed up firing various lawsuits at each other all over the place at the moment? Google, AMD and Samsung. Those 3 are also paired up with Global Foundry and IBM in a research deal to go down to 5nm next year and they have a developed process, a product production line and are at the tape out stage right now. http://i2.sdpnoticias.com/sdpnoticias/2016/11/17/1446_snapdragon-835_620x350.jpg this is a current 10nm SOC ::) 5nm is real and it is coming soon enough. This new tech is 5nm Gate all Around and the 5nm production process looks to be greatly simplified compared to the current 10nm and 7nm FinFET processes. Number of masks and lithography stages will be cut in half, easily. Look to see a 7nm version of it to be announced by Global Foundry and AMD very very soon as simplified equals cheaper to produce. These SOC packages will stay the same size as the ball grid array really can't get any smaller. Ball solder connection grid is what is calling the die size now instead of the actual SOC size as that is getting truly tiny going forward. Also be aware that you can put a LOT more cores and other functions into the SOC itself because you got LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of free room on the die package. Voltage requirements will go down as well, the 1 volt SOC is becoming real very soon. Apple already has their fully paid for 7nm FinFET lines cranking out Apple SOCs at TSMC right now so Apple is right on track for executing their current game plan. Rumor has it that Apple is also backing the IBM 5nm research deal as well. Global Foundries / AMD also goes into 7nm and 5nm production next year as well so you can say Intel has truly missed the second set of boats right now, too. If Apple is there, then TSMC gets the new gate around 7nm/5nm tech too, sooner rather than later. TSMC will be building the first Apple base-band and modem equipped Apple SOC starting next year at 5nm. See Qualcomm and Intel kicked to the curb by Apple in 2018 accordingly. So, Intel is out in the COLD again big time (2-3 full generations back now and on the wrong side of the voltage gap as well) and Intel is now acting completely selfishly to hang up MS legally to try to force MS to stick with them going out into the future. Misery loves company. MS won't put up with this sort of action for very long (they can't). Look to see MS do another massive x86 personnel layoff and then move completely over to coding native ARM and Tensor code soon, very soon as MS is not going down the toilet bowl swirl with Intel. AMD and Google and Nvidia are all working on Tensor type AI applications that can increase throughput a 1,000 times, supposedly. This has got to be a big big concern for both Intel and for MS since the old Wintel alliance has no answer for it at all right now. Hard fact it, you either make this move to over to programming for ARM and Tensor type AI or you go down the big toilet bowl swirl with the obsolete Intel x86 high voltage stuff ....... :P Look to see a new sort of OS come out from somebody, really soon, one that does Tensor type AI by leveraging off the GPU side of things in paired combination with the old style CPU stuff (AMD has a half dozen Ryzen CPU/GPUs now that kinda sorta does that trick already). Supercomputer Linux is what works for the experimenters right now and Supercomputer Linux is available, right now. For free no less. MS loves Linux, right ???? This big big big game of musical chairs continues, with Intel failing to find a seat fairly consistently of late ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/12/17 at 16:51:15 Local newspaper gets some insider info on Intel's next 3 year plan ..... http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2017/04/intel_first-quarter_results_1.html Read this as a local paper's "info digging" into the ongoing layoffs and downsizings at Intel. Also realize that Intel is really still counting on selling old higher voltage technology (like 7.7 volt base-band, radio & modems) to a dwindling market place in order to cushion their fall from relevance. This will not pan out for long as Apple, Samsung, Mediatek, and others are making their own 2.2 volt 4G baseband technology (and selling it to others -- better stuff, and cheaper too) so Intel will lose that revenue stream pretty much completely just as soon as Apple puts their own sub 2.0 volt base-band tech inside their own A-12 SOC. "Suing people" is just another way for Intel to turn a buck, it does not indicate any intent to push these techs forward any as their only worth going forward is troll lawsuit food. Look to see Intel, Microsoft and Qualcomm act more like old school troll lawsuit companies going forward as that is the only way they can make a buck off of the passe technology that they do own. ::) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/12/17 at 19:23:31 Because vendors are squaring off to build it now, ARM Holdings begins to actually talk about A75 and A55 big little in some detail and explain how it works with the new DynamIQ internal structure. https://community.arm.com/processors/b/blog/posts/cortex-a75-ground-breaking-performance-for-intelligent-solutions Fair warning, your old Intel/MS knowledge does not really play here and many of the claims seem fanstastical on first looks -- just remember that ARM is in the habit of saying nothing about tech that isn't in actual production. Huawei, Mediatek and Qualcomm and 10 others have bought the new tech now and they are all doing production processing try out work as we speak, so ARM feels like it is now free to discuss what the basic technology can do. http://https://community.arm.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-components-sitefiles/Content-AI+Campaign/7446.A75_2D00_790_2D00_small_2D00_7.png Yes, some of the first fruits may wind up as a 50x increase in throughput coming from the new Machine Learned AI stuff -- and that is being done on a tiny phone sized SOC. One of the circles on the Venn bubble chart relates to Android OS improvements, the other relates to CPU/GPU hardware improvements and the last circle might refer to your apps needing to be rewritten to support the new forms of processing ..... we are looking to see this turn up all explained as talking points fairly soon, with a lot of the improvement being likely driven by the Mali Graphics side of the SOC since part of that GPU is "tensor capable". AMD is doing the same thing with their Vulcan Graphics and Intel is licensing that tech by cross licensing the entire AMD Vulcan Graphics package from AMD. Watch the core counts from AMD and Intel skyrocket, and note that the same thing is going to happen to your stock ARM cell phone SOC designs. Of course not all of your your computing items apply to Machine Learned AI, so what will you get in "old school throughput increases"? Answer is 1.5x to 2x better throughput ...... http://https://community.arm.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-components-sitefiles/Content-AI+Campaign/5126.A75_2D00_790_2D00_small_2D00_New-performance-levels-for-advanced-use-cases_2D00_12.png Also note that Qualcomm is using the entire ARM Holdings A75/A55/Mali A72 graphics package next year AS IS -- there is a reason for that, which may be that to get the overall speed and throughput increases you have to use the entire DynamIQ package, not just little bits and pieces of it. We note in passing that the new larger Mali graphics GPU is 1.4x more powerful (and larger and more complex) than it used to be. And we see that the big/little core counts in the CPU side can go up much higher than before as well. Smaller cores due to die shrink, but more of them used to gain more total throughput. And all of this increase AND MORE can fit on the fingertip sized ball grid array at 7nm or 5nm using the new simplified gate all around production processes. ::) ..... yo dude, that sort of throughput increase puts phone SOCs up into the old Core i7 range of power, you know that, right ??? So do you think you mebbe might be up for buying you a new phone/PC in the next few years? ;) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/14/17 at 04:42:53 Now that we get the gist of the new ARM wave of CPU and GPU and Tensor processing a little bit better, we can make a 2 year prediction. If Intel insists on hanging up MS's emulation package forbidding their x86 API tech to be used on Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835's emulation, look to see MS immediately begin to program a pure ARM based windows version for the new ARM AI system to a very first very buggy first release inside of 6 months. Actually, they gotta do this anyway ..... eventually. Likely MS will have to fork chunks of FOSS Android to do this ..... and that bridge burning means the end for Intel inside of 5 years. MS will then stop programming for x86 as their main focus, or for any sort of focus other than a very expensive big business maintenance footing. You will see Google put forward a built from scratch Magenta and Fuchsia rooted conjoined OS for all their supported items at about that point in time. By moving away from Android and stopping the base progress of FOSS Android, Google cuts MS off at the roots as MS tries to take over Android in their normal good ol' MickeySoft adopt-extend-extinguish fashion like they are currently doing to Linux at the moment. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/14/17 at 05:43:38 2 weeks ago, Apple hired away the entire top rank of Qualcomm's base-band, modem and cell radio group, that was the Qualcomm head radio dude and all his lieutenants. The people snatching began with those moves ..... now it is Google's turn. Google just hired away Apple's head of SOC design, the guy who led the whole A-series of Apple iPhone chips. Why did Google do this ??? Google does build their own data farm Tensor Processors and Google may intend to expand their efforts further into a more generic type of Tensor based processor -- a phone to PC to data farm sort of product line. So, look to see some new and different fusions between Tensor and Graphics and CPU showing up in the ARM world as Google eventually open sources much of what they do, eventually. Right now Qualcomm isn't even trying to tweek their own custom DynamIQ ARM tech for next year's wave of chips, as it all has to work together to work at all. "Missing people" may also be a part of this decision to use the bone Stock ARM designs on this go round. Apple wants a GOOD radio and a GOOD graphics core (items they both own and control) inside their planned 5nm Apple SOC and they are paying out primo money to see that happen, promptly, ASAP so perhaps it might be ready for shipment by late next year. Google wants to promote and expand the Tensor capable processor wave they have started already ...... and Google feels if they don't do it, somebody else will. Solution being used by both companies -- need some new skills? So hire away the most successful teams from other companies that initially brought on those skills ...... BTW, Apple has irrevocably fired Qualcomm as a vendor .... completely. All bridges are burned now. Tossing around 10 billion dollar lawsuits and head hunting away a half dozen key employees tends to end business relationships fairly decisively. Everyone is currently pillaging Qualcomm's best people at the moment -- and they are willing to go now, too. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/18/17 at 21:59:51 7nm memory production is real, right now, from TSMC, Samsung and Global Foundry. TSMC has 3 of Apple's lines churning away and Samsung has at least two of their own finishing out and getting ready for the next DynamIQ production runs for this fall and winter. These initial 7nm lines will be short lived as 7nm FinFET is NOT the way of the future as it takes twice as many steps and twice as many masks compared to 7nm Gate All Around. Look to see Global go with a cost reduced, simplified 7nm Gate All Around "hybrid production process" on all their 7nm and 5nm and 3nm production lines from the get go. Same 7nm Gate All Around lines (with some refinements) will change over to run 5nm Gate All Around later on once all the change over bugs are worked out. Remember, Multi-Mask FinFET is quite expensive at 7nm, making Gate All Around a key cost reduction going forward (and Gate All Around is the only process that will go down to 5nm or go down to 3nm out in the future simply because of complexity / cost). So, no pure FinFET at all past this point, unless you are are a believer in Intel's brown vapor BS press releases that is ..... Also note, there are no new processes pending past 3nm Gate All Around ...... "no theoretical anything" has ever been figured out so far for smaller than 3nm either on silicon or germanium or on any other exotic material processes. Quantum and Optical Quantum is the likely the only way forward for large scale advancements past 3nm. So, look for 3nm Gate All Around to catch multiple generations of fine tuning and OS based or memory based "efficiency improvements", with this development acting "somewhat BS similar" to what Intel is doing now with 14nm. ======================================= Imagination Technologies used to make video chip SOC subsystems for Apple -- now they are available to be purchased, cheap. Please, buy us ...... Imagination used to do simple old style non-learning non-calculating graphical stuff and this DOES NOT PLAY AT ALL going out into the future as Tensor or AI type graphics are an integral part of DynamIQ and other combined computing systems. Look at this as a sign of the times -- if you are NOT in tight with Apple/Google/Nvidia/AMD you are likely not even going to exist in 2-3 years. Qualcomm, are you listening ? MS cannot show you a salvation path that is based on suing your phone building customers or by screwing over your end users ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/27/17 at 16:04:45 Micron and Intel partnered together to push Intel's Optane version of Micron's new memory type, with Optane smelling pretty much like a failure at doing this trick due to a very high cost and impractically low observed benefits to the end user --- it flopped in the real world, in other words. Well, Micron announces they got them some new "late breaking close out activity" type activity items happening right now. Remember, Optane is on the left as shown in the graphic at the very bottom of the page. https://liliputing.com/2017/06/micron-kills-off-lexar-flash-drives-storage-cards-products.html http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/lexar_02.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 Micron has some strong competitors in the memory world and Sandisk is one of the strongest of that set. Samsung is another. Micron/Lexar has a whole lot of old style inventory stock sitting on vendor's shelves that has go to go, real soon. It was built on 28nm tech from 3 years ago, and it simply isn't worth a shite right now nor for next year either. New Style 7nm memory is currently being produced for Apple and Samsung and this new stuff is coming out at 7nm (running a hybrid gate all around) that is going to be 5x faster and twice as cheap as the very best of the current stuff, and it will soon be the newer "fully systems compatible" memory style for both Android and Chromebooks (and pc too). A new style of plug in micro card will be able to hold multi-gigs of systems fast random access long duration permanent memory that can actually add in to your mobile products "main memory" access space. Remember, these old Lexar memory types on sell off can only be used on Android to save your pictures and music -- and they can only act as a data memory stick (for data only) in the Windows world. This simply isn't good enough any more. Look to see the newest main memory types being pushed hard by the other makers using their less costly versions of the new 7nm hybrid gate all around memory production tech. Look to see everybody dumping their inventory stocks of old stick technologies and products that were produced at 4 year old antique lithography levels, making a big big big closeout sale event out of the changeover. http://hexus.net/media/uploaded/2016/7/99baf26b-b2da-4bfe-a728-b02604248c64.png The oldest of the old school products on the shelves right now simply cannot compete against what is coming out on the right -- it kills them by 10x increased speed and by 100X more memory at the same price points without even trying hard. Plus, the new format cards showing up in your new memory products can act as an "add-in increase" in main systems memory and it can be completely used in all sorts of manners. Look to see a new USB C standard come out and a new sim card standard come out, standards that are supported by a new Chrome OS and Android ..... standards that are in line with the new DynamIQ transfer standards from ARM Holdings and the automotive world. ;) .... wait for it, wait for it .... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 06/30/17 at 13:04:33 https://liliputing.com/2017/06/samsung-developing-explosion-proof-smartphone-batteries.html Samsung has gotten tired of rolling craps with the entire company EACH AND EVERY YEAR based on current style lithium batteries (they tend to catch fire and burn entirely too often and Samsung pays out millions each time this happens). The Note 7 from last year cost Samsung multi Billions in total for the 3x multiple replacement waves and all the associated class action suits. As a very simple clean "risk avoidance" payback, Samsung has begun to push very seriously for a fire-resistant "solid state" lithium polymer battery and this post is to say it is coming to you inside the next 1-2 years. Samsung is also eyeing larger car batteries, and make no mistake the need for this new tech plays there too. Buying the needed battery company was easy enough, Samsung owned them after the very first wave of lawsuits. Pushing in all the dedicated resources and pulling in the best people out of the competitor's battery companies (the competitiors that were also involved in the lawsuit actions) and giving them all the needed development funds and a clear direction means Samsung will soon own THE BEST and SAFEST battery powered devices known to man very very soon. ======================================= https://liliputing.com/2017/06/samsung-developing-explosion-proof-smartphone-batteries.html According to a report from Korea Herald, Samsung SDI will be ready to ship solid-state lithium batteries within the next two years. Solid-state batteries have a number of advantages over conventional lithium-ion ones. First and foremost is the fact that they’re relatively non-flammable (they don’t catch fire easily). They’re also more energy-dense and have much longer life spans — up to five times as long. Solid-state batteries also charge up to six times faster. Given that it takes about 80 minutes to fully charge a Galaxy S8 today, a future iteration with a Samsung SDI solid-state battery could go from stone dead to fully replenished in as little as 15 minutes. ======================================== Now that the lawsuit dust has settled some more, yet another telling point has come out of it. Samsung is now the LARGEST CHIP SET MANUFACTURER IN THE WORLD, period, having lapped Intel in total and in specific on every metric just this past month and has increased that lead every day since then. Each settlement makes Samsung larger and larger ..... Intel is now completely dethroned in all their areas of strength -- Samsung is #1 in total and there are other companies on top of Intel now too (different in each expertise area you can name). Intel has dropped to 3rd to 5th position in all of them, and seems to be just going lower over time. Intel is struggling to remain a bit player in Tensor AI and Intel is currently not even considered a bit player in Quantum Computing. A massive re-ranking of Tech Companies is coming, and all the Fiscal gurus are recommending getting out of Intel as all the big brown vapor Intel plans put forth last year are coming up craps yet again ..... and the cries for "new Intel management - we need a complete replacement" are being sounded loudly yet again. Since Intel has now decided to act as a feeder troll over in PC land and have started suing their old partners over "their" x386 intellectual properties (items that were considered fair trade common use items between all those firms for the last 20 years) you can now expect all other "main PC technical interests" to start to rotate over to FOSS Android or to FOSS Linux as their technical base going forward. Using x86 and having to give Intel and MS a significant chunk of your your profits just isn't very attractive right now, really. Google Tensor softwares and DynamIQ systems softwares are both examples of FOSS based future centric softwares ...... Tensor AI is Linux Supercomputer software based, so that doesn't hurt this general tech shift direction over to towards FOSS stuff either ...... as is Google Magenta and Fuschia operating softwares when you think about it, even though they are not Linux based per se. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/01/17 at 03:57:14 Justin asks: Could the leaked NSA's hacking tools have been used to build some of the nasty sorts of ransom wares that are going around right now? The NSA hacking tools utilize known weaknesses and exploits in the Windows source OS code to do some potentially bad things, and yes, these are holes that should have been fixed like a week after the NSA tools were first publicized. Linux fixes stuff at this sort of pace, so we know it can happen. Answer has to be "That it is possible that MS left the holes alone on purpose, as intentional back doors", but it is the unpatched holes in the OS itself that actually let the nasty stuff in, holes that originally came from Microsoft's seemingly careless errors in programming while building the core OS functionality. .... or by intention, if you only think in NSA/CIA speak And then there is the hard fact that MS has never fixed the holes, although they were exposed during hackoffs several times independently. And guess what, some are still not fixed, although now very well known. SO, after a half year of futzing around, MS is now calling the fixing of these more stubborn back door type holes a "maintenance feature" and unless you have a costly paid maintenance plan going out into the future, guess what you don't get .... ;) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/02/17 at 13:33:06 Intel leaks some very early plans to completely dump the existing overly complex Core i architecture for a new, simplified hybrid processor set-up. Sad thing is they can't tell you exactly what this new Intel replacement architecture is going to look like at the moment ..... they aren't going to be the ones calling that shot. But Intel does clearly see the Tensor AI handwriting is up on the wall and they also realize that Quantum computing is coming as well ..... the existing PC world has about 3 years left before going down the toilet bowl swirl with all the rest of "old computing tech". Intel is posting lots of patents on all sorts of things, frantically buying up little forward thinking companies and patenting their stuff (as Intel technology) on lots of different pathways forward, spending their excess money now so they can maybe say they "own" a chunk of the future while they still have some money to spend doing that. Intel is still shrinking year on year as a company, and it is losing influence right and left as it does so ..... What is clear is that Intel's old Core i x86 architecture "product line" is verging on intellectually defunct, and that relatively tiny AMD is currently designing much better "Core i & GPU hybrid processors" than Intel is, and that Intel simply cannot compete anywhere effectively any more using just their own old Intel patented architectures. :P "The future uses a lot of GPU tech and Intel is very weak on GPU technology" |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/04/17 at 12:21:45 https://techcrunch.com/2017/07/02/microsoft-is-laying-off-thousands-of-staff/ A brand new wave of MS layoffs that move to preemptively scrap the existing software sales and distribution system may indeed dovetail with the Intel's future planning reports of "new, simplified processor type that use a new operating system". Stacking early rumors is always fraught with mischance, but if you think they paint a somewhat consistent picture then we are only likely a year and a bit out from the first prototype release of a new computing system (software and hardware) that wipes the slate clean for everybody. Tensor AI, Virtual Reality and all the efforts in Automotive seem to be heading in a common direction, one that obsoletes Intel's current processor type AND all the various MS softwares that directly supported it. Intel's recent statements that "nobody can emulate any portion of Intel's x86 IP tech of any kind without paying Intel a licensing royalty" also begins to ring true from this new point of view, that during a major changeover people are going to want to use their old familiar softwares even if it is on a completely different intellectual hardware and software package. Watch them Linux boys closely as Supercomputer Linux is what is currently running Tensor AI at the moment, using some Google built tools called Tensor Flow. Did you really think it odd that MS spent all that time and effort internalizing Linux (internally to Windows 10) in the last year or so ???? Did you think Google built Magenta and Fuchsia (a completely new OS system built on a Google code base) just for the shits and giggles of it? Watch the big boys maneuver around each other and adapt to the coming wave of change ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/04/17 at 18:03:20 I just saw the reply,, glad I looked up, holes a "maintenance feature" and unless you have a costly paid maintenance plan going out into the future, guess what you don't get .... A Maintenance FEATURE, gee, I don't remember EVER hearing about those. Are they New? How many of those should I expect to discover built into my car, or television? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/05/17 at 12:39:57 Two new pending shifts -- Volvo announces it will go 100% to electric based vehicles in 2019-2020. Why? Because it is now cheaper to build an electric car ..... ========================================= Ditto for robo trucks, proposed electric driverless trucks will save a ton of money hauling stuff across the country. They look a lot like just the trailer portion going down the road by themselves..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/05/17 at 13:03:22 https://chromeunboxed.com/new-chromebook-eve-nvme-ssd/ Optane from Intel falls off the table NVMe is a new industry wide standard for memory interfaces. These drives are still SSD (solid state drives), but they can send and receive data MUCH faster, among other tricks. Take the Samsung 960 Pro for example. This NVMe SSD can see peak read/write speeds of 3500mbps/2500mbps. So it is clear, these drives (paired with a NVMe capable motherboard) can move multiple GIGABYTES of data per second. 3. Gigs. Per. Second. For reference, a fast standard SSD at the current moment can see read/write speeds up to 750mbps. :o Why it Matters On multiple fronts, this is a massive step forward. Slow hard drives seriously impact the performance of locally-stored resources. If you have any doubt, go to a local Best Buy and mess around with two computers with similar processors and RAM: one with an old, spinning HDD and one with an SSD. The difference is easily observable. For all computing types, faster data transfers mean faster experiences. We all like fast. For Chromebooks, the reason this could be a big deal is simple: Android apps. Chrome OS, on its own, relies more heavily on the speed of your data connection than it does on the speed of your internal storage. After all, the current crop of Chromebooks are being run off of eMMC storage, which is a good deal slower than standard SSD. If Chrome OS is moving forward with NVMe storage, Android is the target. With apps now being stored and run locally on Chromebooks, faster data transfer of that stored data will result in much faster and stable performance across the board. WHAT DOES IT MEAN ..... ??? MS had planned to have large chunks of Optane memory to make their fat porky Win 10S seem quick and nimble, comparatively speaking. Now MS is being faced with the new "Eve class" of Chromebooks that are going to be swinging much FASTER, much bigger and much less expensive Samsung MVMe memory modules. Those still not real yet Win 10S Chromekillers won't seem to be all that fast or all that attractive to purchasers comparison shopping against the less expensive Eve class of Chromebooks which are going to be noticeably speedier and cheaper than the more expensive, slower Win 10S machines. HOWEVER, MS will cannibalize some of their own sales as all the existing more expensive Win10 laptops will be really slow looking and sluggish compared to those cheap Win 10S Chromekillers ..... Some bright boy at MS will realize this and the Win 10S Chromekillers will fade away before even landing good (yet again). ================================================= New York Times says: Microsoft to Cut Up to 4,000 Sales and Marketing Jobs MS plans to stop doing what they have been doing, and do something different that won't require a sales force or Marketing group. MS hasn't said what that is yet ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/06/17 at 16:06:27 081711160B0C3D0D3D05171B50620 wrote:
No Justin, I said FIXING the holes was a "maintenance feature" and that if you didn't have a maintenance plan you'd likely never see all those fixes. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/06/17 at 17:52:34 I understood. I'm just appalled that a Known Problem was allowed to be delivered WHILE the manufacturer would only repair the problems that they knew existed before they sold it, IF the victim was Paying for a Maintenance Agreement. Gates SUXXX |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/07/17 at 12:41:50 Question in my mind is "MS sucks all right, so why are all you guys still using a system that is: 1) extra extra expensive to buy 2) is extra extra complex to live with 3) runs slow compared to what else is out there 4) has a long history of shagging their end users unmercifully and picking their pockets on purpose every 3-5 years very consistently." Saying you jest can't handle change won't fly any more, because you already use Chrome browser and already use an Android phone, so you already know how it works ...... Saying you are too lazy violates all the Guy Rules, so forget that. That leaves blaming it on your wife and her job (my favorite). |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/07/17 at 15:40:28 What is "EVE", who is designing it, who is building it and what does it portend? Six months ago, I joked about MS and Qualcomm tossing some Chromekiller BS down on Google by firing off some fictional pure poot style "flaming bullets" made of purely imaginary brown vapor ..... and eventually getting back some irritated return fire from Google with some for real flaming bullets (or return phaser fire, as the case might well be). Bang !!!! EVE flies out of the barrel aimed right at Wincom's nuts. EVE is the platform name going through LENARO and Linus's kernel level commits and is now showing up in FCC reference designs. EVE keeps making the tech news as being the first to incorporate "lower cost new super fast main memory" and being the first to use several other technical innovations like a new stylus. Historically, EVE was the mother of a new race. Might this portend something on the techie front as well ??? We know EVE is a new Chromebook type, that much is very clear. EVE already has had some cutting edge modern mobile tech showing up in it, a behind the screen finger print sensor, a high pixel count touch screen, a layout task bar and the rest of the modern phone features INCLUDING your choice of having Google Assistant being live at all times, with it started up by by verbal or touching a dedicated key/screen button. Google has always works in partnership with a builder/vendor as they incorporate builder feedback into the base design, always. In this case the EVE system commits are coming from Google Chrome Central and also from the individual builder(s) ..... (drum roll please) HP (very heavy flow of commits) Dell (heavy) Acer (heavy) Asus (light) Lenovo (light) These are the same laptop folks who will also build you a MS Chromekiller unit, and they see no conflict with this as they are most interested in just selling more stuff, the more stuff they can sell the merrier. These laptop guys always do one of each kind so they are covered no matter which way the market eventually swings. By doing EVE at the exact same hardware level as Chromekiller, the builder vendors will minimize their developmental expenses and increase their purchase quantities on the components, thus saving some additional coins. Google doesn't try to stop this behavior as they want to quickly improve what they make to make it BETTER than the other stuff, so Google wants to take market share by EARNING it ongoing with a lower cost better performing product. Working with the enemy camp members gets them completely detailed information much quicker so they can work around any advantages that are seen. So far Google is meeting all the fancy stuff that MS has vapor pooted and added some more nice ones from the mobile world. As the two companies "feature fight" I look to see a comprehensive set of features in both top end glory products, features which will then slide down-hill into the general population of chromebooks over time. The last 2 waves of Chromekillers came out with an exact Same Same chassis and unit design swinging both Win 8 and ChromeOS, so some very early head to head comparisons were quick and easy to get. So far folks have spotted lots of new fast NVMe super memory, Gigabyte Wifi and state of the art tower service radios, a Kaby Lake Core i7 processor, Google Assistant button and a finger print scanner. Kinda upscale, and equipped with other ritzy cell phone stuff. But hey, if that is the ball field this Chromekiller game is going to be played out upon, then let the fun commence. Eve isn't going to be low end or inexpensive, it smells more like a multi-branded Pixel level device right now. We knew the Chromekillers were never going to get down to Chromebook pricing levels, so having EVE be price neutral (but having ass kicking better performance levels at the same cost) is how Google plans to play this one. There will be more pedestrian versions of this Chromebook later on, I am sure. A lot of the successful ritzy neat features will move downstream into these lower cost units, so the Pixel exercise is always worthwhile for those who can afford it. ;) ..... what I don't see is any Qualcomm 835 processors showing up anywhere ..... nor do I see any Samsung visible at the moment ..... :-? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/10/17 at 15:05:39 Microsoft revisits an old VERY FIRM sales promotion promise -- if you buy a Windows 8.x phone we will update you to Win 10 for phone within 90 days. Well, 90 days never arrived ..... and over half the current Windows Phone users are still waiting on MS to honor their written advertised promise that enticed LOTS of win users to buy that discounted Win phone there at the end. Over half of the Win phone users are in this leaky boat at the moment ..... and they all just clearly heard the <plock> sound that MS just made pulling the bung plug out on the very shaky boat they are sitting in with the Win 8.x folks (and the very few that did get updated to Win 10 phone but are still listed in MS's registration system as Win 8.x users). https://liliputing.com/2017/07/windows-phone-8-1-mainstream-support-ends-july-11th.html THAT IS TOMORROW, BTW. Gurgle, Gurgle Windows users --- REMEMBER, I told you so back before you bought those discounted $900 phones. Never trust MS to do what they say they will do ..... NOW WHAT IS UPCOMING NEXT ..... Now, we are approaching the ending period for Win 8.x desktop versions and MS is now busy backtracking on all their upgrade promises that were made to move you from Win 7 and Win 8.x over to Win 10. I can say this first hand because I just went through a bout of it. I bought Win 8.1, installed it and upgraded it -- then I got Micky hassled after the fact because I didn't buy it from the Windows Store. If you didn't move when the upgrade time was available, or, even if you DID move during the time period allotted, you will now still be force offered the chance to buy a yearly maintenance package ($$ monthly or yearly). Remember, only software bought directly from the Windows Store can be "verified" at the moment, all else is suspect. MS just shut down all the old retail boxed software channels, so that "unavailable info" no longer really applies any more. AND they just laid off all the 4,000 people that worked to support that boxed retail channel. Lucky you, you Windows user, you ..... :P |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/10/17 at 16:43:16 Speaking of more over-hyped Wintel vaporous BS, we need to revisit Optane yet again. Optane is the miracle memory that MS planned to use to make existing Intel and Qualcomm processors move fast enough to make Win 10 seem competitive. Chromebooks (EVE class) have countered this with a LARGE full sized "all systems and data items on it" bigger faster SSD type solid state drive as standard boot drive (systems and data) -- one that uses the new NVMe DYNAMIQ ready industry standards instead of Intel's slower, more expensive Optane standard. Current MVMe drives from Samsung can move 3 GIGS of data per second (faster than Optane) using FAR LESS POWER than Optane drives use to do it -- and this will only get better since this type of memory has just moved down to 7nm lithography at Samsung, TSMC and Global .... and the new NVMe is now documented as part of the DYNAMIQ ARM standards. MVMe will get cheaper and cheaper as time goes on. If you were thinking about Optane -- Buyer Beware, the gamer boys who actually bought the stuff early on are now talking out loud about their experiences. :-/ http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/reasons-why-intel-optane-drive-rip-off/ |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/11/17 at 00:18:07 I joke you not ..... this is fresh, only 7 hours old at this time. Microsoft to Bundle Office With Windows Into New "Microsoft 365" Service http://https://www.bleepstatic.com/content/posts/2017/07/10/SatyaNadella.jpg The new Microsoft 365 service is Microsoft's biggest step towards offering the Windows OS as a monthly subscription service, moving away from one-time purchases. Microsoft has previously offered Windows 10 as a subscription purchase before, but only for Windows 10 Enterprise versions. Today's announcement provides more options and is a firmer step in the direction of changing Windows' default commercial licensing model. Duh, I predicted it when MS lost track of my registered software keys (two of them in a row) then MS just laid off all the 4,000 people who supported the "boxed software" sales & service function and now you got you a new MS public service announcement just now coming out. WHAT MS ISN'T SAYING CLEARLY AT THIS TIME ????? You MUST buy and register your maintenance package from the Windows store (pay full price in other words) or else you do not have a "verifiable" OS copy installed on your machine. Tough shite, them's the new rules. Expect to watch in dismay as MS security software first warns you then acts to remove all this evil "false stuff" from your machine as part of normal nightly "malware cleaning" in the not too distant future ..... :P |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/11/17 at 00:54:56 BE VERY VERY CAREFUL when buying a new machine -- many of the newest ones are hardware locked into MS Win 10 (and the Win 10 used is hard keyed to only run on certain levels of NEW Intel processors that are installed on hardware locked motherboards) and you CANNOT load an alternate OS like Linux on these machines. These same sorts of machines may have Optane on them, as Optane will only run with the exact right Intel processor paired to the correct version of Windows 10 AND having the correct hardware locked motherboard to support both. Linux actually really really does work well, much better than Windoz but I have learned that Linux simply is a "bridge too far" for many of the folks here on the list -- they are too mentally captured by their past way too much to even think about using Linux. Hard fact, on a 11 year old Dell big box refurbished off-lease machine, I get FAST and VERY GOOD service from Linux, so much so that I am good to go for the foreseeable future. For Free, no less. The rest of you guys are pending buying a whole new set of new stuff, whether you think you are or not. Intel and MS want you to HAVE to buy a set of new stuff inside the next calendar year. However, many of you do already use the Chrome Browser and have done so for what, over 10 years now? And you use your Android phones too ..... all the time, for about 10 years now too. So, I recommend you load the free Chrome browser on your Windows box and get used to using it on your desktop as your main browser. It is "the world's favorite browser" for a good reason, it simply works faster and better than either of the Intel browser flavors do. Once you get used to it, well then you are now fully trained and can use a Chromebook or ChromeStation at will should the need arise. Chrome browser and Chromebooks operate identically. Android on Chromebook operates just like Android does, should you get you one of those more modern Android ready Chromebooks (they are becoming more and more available now at no extra cost). Doing it this way gets you the skills you need at no real effort on your part. Seriously, MS is going to bleed you monthly and squeeze your balls really really hard come upgrade time every few years ..... You will get tired of this action pretty soon, I think. I really can't take not owning my own machine any more, so I don't use MS at all unless I am gaming on a game that requires it. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 07/11/17 at 03:33:58 Sorry OF, but I went to the Linux site, clicked on a mint mate cinnamon thing and clicked download, nothing happened and after repeated clicks on download, still nothing happened. This is why people won't have it on. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/11/17 at 03:40:53 If you are a long term windows user you likely lack a lot of the systems skills needed to download ISO images and burning DVDs, etc. on your own. For folks who find all this too confusing, go here: www.shoplinuxonline.com/mint.html and buy you a DVD that is already prepared -- but first make sure your DVD drive on your Windows box is actually still working correctly and it is a for real DVD drive instead of just a CD drive. ======================================= Seriously, for JC and those like him I really do recommend just getting Chrome Browser on their machine and start using it 100% of the time, getting ready for what is coming without breaking your brains too badly. Just changing browsers will be enough strain for you, likely enough. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 07/11/17 at 03:58:47 Taken the risk, brought the disk. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 07/11/17 at 04:00:34 Got Chrome a while ago, but it is brain taxing. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/11/17 at 04:01:33 Yeah, at $3.99 it is an acceptable risk. Using Chrome means asking the web how to do things, you can always get a you tube or a web instruction for anything you have to do on Chrome. It is not like you don't have to do this same thing every time your MS browser changes a version or updates itself and starts working differently. Think of it as exercising your brain -- brain jumping jacks, brain push ups. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/11/17 at 08:23:21 Brain jogging is dangerous. Ya trip and fall and skin a lobe.. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Steve H on 07/12/17 at 16:27:54 I bought a $25 computer a month or so ago off of the bay and installed Mint 18.1 Cinnamon on it. It's a little low on memory with only 2 gig and a small processor (atom dual core 1.6), 250gb hard drive. The whole system is roughly 7.5 inches square and about an inch and a half thick. It performs quite well. There are a few things about Cinnamon that I don't really care for but it works. The system's got Nvidia Ion video and can render 1080p video at 25 to 30 percent processor utilization. HDMI port and optical SPDIF too. The Linux install didn't take too long. When it was done and rebooted, it notified me that there were better video drivers out there and offered to install, which I did. I may up it to 4 gig of RAM, the max, to help things move a little better but I really have no complaints with it as it is. I use Firefox on it for browsing and haven't had any trouble at all with it. I also tried it with Mepis with a full KDE install. I performed well. A little slower than Mint but with the extra overhead for the desktop, I expected it. Mepis didn't offer to install the updated video drivers or recognize the SPDIF out capabilities. Went back to Mint and have been there ever since. You can download the ISO and a utility for Windoze to make yourself a bootable USB flash drive for install also, if you prefer to do it that way or have a machine without DVD drive. With the ease of install, the instructions and utilities available to help with the install and the polish of the OS, these days anybody can install and use Mint. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/12/17 at 17:19:54 Steve, those of us who had the chops have already tried Linux and Mint, etc. several times going back a decade ago -- to us it sure has gotten much better and is very easy to use and to install. Thinking back, though, I am reminded of a man I worked for who never installed anything (he had IT do it for him either at work or at Best Buy). If it didn't come with the new machine, he never even thought about adding it or using it. He also traded in his cars every 3-4 years. And yes, he'd buy a new computer if it got "old" or at the first instance of "outdated" (or needed purging). Point is, some people HAVE no computer knowledge or skills nor any real desire to grow any. If you can coax these sorts into using Chrome browser for enough time to settle in with it, then they do have a path they can follow post MS. Or they can just chose to continue to get their balls squeezed and their pocket picked by good ol' Glitchy Mickey ..... ====================================== I still have some old MS habits still in my head, left over from long long ago. I don't intentionally run more than 2-3 open tabs on a browser (too many tabs made Windoze crash a lot back in the day). This logic still works at work BTW, but now I got a new work related Windows Explorer cranking up ad tabs on its very own until it chokes and dies several times a shift. ====================================== This morning I read a good bit about the newest from the 7nm memory wars that are going on between Samsung and all the rest of the memory players. These boys now have working 5nm EUV processes that they are now coaxing into steady production mode. Memory production is where all new lithography development jells into reality -- get a memory line working at 5nm and you never shut it off, it runs non-stop from failure to failure from that point on. You work on getting it to run faster and run longer between failures, but you never stop running it ---- until it gets totally obsoleted by a lower lithography process you can still sell everything you make off that line. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Steve H on 07/12/17 at 18:02:33 I agree completely that there are some who just don't want to do it differently. "This has worked for years, why change it?" My boss is one of these people. He won't touch a computer. We have to print off his emails and give them to him and reply for him. Chrome will definitely help with that. If there were a version of chromeOS for the PC, I'd probably try it. I have used the Chrome browser for years. Prefer Firefox but I can use the unstable Chrome. Sometimes I find that Chrome works better with a certain site than firefox so I use it there. It's nice to have choices. I've used Linux for years for one reason or another or just be somewhat versed in it in case the need arose. I spent about 15 years as a computer service tech. That job pretty much dried up with the move from computers being something fancy to them being another cheap appliance. When a new machine was $300 and had a 3 year warranty, it was hard for many people to justify $150 or $200 to repair a 3 year old one. Now, it's theprovince of some $9 per hr kid at best buy who has no idea what he's doing. Some will stay with MS until the bitter end. There's nothing we can do but offer them options. It's up to them to make the choice. The easier the change, the more likely they are to not be stuck when MS comes out and says thats the end of the road for this product. Any sort of ad blocker available for that new Explorer? I haven't played with IE in years and haven't missed it at all. If the 5nm memory works out well and helps them work the bugs out of the lines, that will be another jump in litho levels for processors. There's only so far they can go with shrinking things to get them closer together for better power consumption and performance. They will eventually hit an insurmountable wall. They are already wasting processing capabilities by having rotating cores 'cause they can't efficiently cool them. Doesn't do a lot of good to have a 16 core processor when only 4, 6, or 8 can be used due to thermal runaway considerations. Make an 8 core than can run full out all the time. Whatever happens in the next 10 years in computing, it's going to be interesting. I am expecting some major shake-ups. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/12/17 at 18:19:12 The druids all say, "all goes to Tensor Flow and graphics based AI inside 5-7 years and then moves selectively to Quantum in 10-20 for mostly mainframe sized applications to begin with". Tensor AI is real right now, and has most of the same applications as "bit on off" type programming does. Google and ARM are leading the way into Tensor using the new DynamIQ Processor modular system that Automotive is driving the needs for. This open source Processor control system is supported by Android and by ARM and by the SOC builders who have all bought design licenses to do the first wave of 7nm DynamIQ which rolls off the presses next year. By 2020 ARM says we will be seeing "up to 50x improvements in throughput" at 0.7 volts supplied to the processor using the "properly learned" Tensor AI tricks in DynamIQ. AMD is building Tensor tricks into their co-joined GPUs and have a shared chip memory system already going into their current new Ryzen processor generations. Tensor will be the next wave of processor type that we all roll over to and that is why both Intel and MS are laying off all that they can and getting ready structurally for a major Industry Wide evolution. Quantum is TOTALLY DIFFERENT, and is really best used at solving fuzzy problems that "bit on off" really can't handle. THE END OF MOORES LAW IS COMING VERY SOON. Some say it is already here for Intel as Intel simply can't shrink any more past 10nm using the current x86 based chip technology. (Intel says so, anyway, everybody else is busy going to 7nm and 5nm right now as we speak) Now that the DynamIQ boys all have memory production running on what they are calling 5nm they are now predicting the lithography shrink all ends at 3-2nm ......... At 2nm old Buggs Bunny pops out of the screen and says "That-That-That's All Folks !!!" |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 07/13/17 at 01:51:43 Well OF, on your advice I installed Chrome some time ago but stuck with Bing because of familiarity. I'm now trying to use Chrome all the time as you suggested. Adblock plus went funny for a while, but now seems to be functioning ok on both systems, although Chrome actually tells me the number of ads being blocked. Web surfing is going ok, although a Norton "Safe Search" tried to block a few things, I think I've worked out how to by pass that. Not sure if I notice any great increase in surfing speed and Chrome seems to take a while to load up. I won't try the yet to arrive Linux disc until I've changed houses in a month or so, then I'll see how I get on. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by 12Bravo on 07/14/17 at 13:44:54 242D3D3A21252B3D4E0 wrote:
Do yourself a favor and get rid of Norton. It is one of the worst/most hacked anti-virus/security programs out there. There are way better choices than Norton or McAfee. I use Avast on my Windows computers and Mac Mini. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 07/16/17 at 14:15:03 12 Bravo, thanks for that info, which I shall bear in mind. I'm sure I can get round Safe Search ok, still feeling my way with the Chrome, so changes will come a bit later. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/17/17 at 23:25:33 https://liliputing.com/2017/07/jide-ends-development-of-remix-os-for-consumers.html http://https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/remix-pro_03.jpg?w=600&ssl=1 You remember Jide, the little pilot fish company that fronted all the development of the Android Phone / PC stuff. Mysterious little company formed up of Googe people working on their 20% "free time" lead by a core team of full time ex-Googlers. Well, now that Google has all that stuff fully active in Android 9.0 now, what is Jide gonna do with itself? Jide has revealed a number of interesting products over the last few years, from the $70 Remix Mini PC to the Remix Pro 2-in-1. Just last month, Jide kicked off beta testing for the Remix C1 tablet in China. Consumers may never get the chance to buy a C1… Or any other Remix device, for that matter. Development of Remix OS for PC is also being halted, and it’s likely that Remix OS for mobile (also known as Singularity), will never see the light of day either… although Jide clearly wasn’t the only company working on a solution that lets you use your phone as an Android-powered desktop PC. Jide certainly has a sound enough reason for making a major pivot. According to a post on their official blog, Jide has received a good deal of interest from the corporate sector. Jide says there’s “huge potential in the role [they] can play to revolutionize how these businesses operate.” Well, you could say "Jide, go front us by breaking into business in a big big way". Take all your open source contacts that you were leading and lead them as a group into revolutionizing a fully functional business style Android based (Chrome based) world picture. With EVE and the upcoming Tensor (CPU and GPU integration), we now have the level of kickass hardware that you need to do the job, so now we need the specific Apps and systems refinements all fleshed out to make a really appealing business system out of it. If you can state what you need to do this job, we can have it tucked into stock Android and ChromeOS inside one to two update cycles. Why the distanced, hands off approach? Microsoft lives to sue their direct major competitors who threaten them plus MS loves to orchestrate third parties into suing their challengers. So, Jide primarily acts as a sacrificial cut out should things go tits up, just like they did with phone / PC. Plus, as a known little guy the rest of FOSS trusts Jide as Jide has developed a very good reputation with the Android x386 and the Linux FOSS communities. Google does like to try to keep their skirts clean ..... "do no evil" ..... all that sorta stuff. By preserving Jide into the future Google signals they are still a good FOSS player who will treat their partners well as things mature and the landscape shifts under everybody. Google must be seen as impartial and as trustworthy as Switzerland, else the other major players would start seeing them as a potential threat again just as they did back when Google was forced to dump off the just bought Motorola for exactly these same reasons. Pivoting Jide over to a new task also opens the way for Samsung and the others to "fully own" the new Phone PC space and to compete freely with each other in making it "theirs". ========================================= Open source members have now picked up the Jide functionality and are pushing it forward under their own branding. This is being interpreted in two different ways, one being Google wants a key team broken free and pivoted over to a new task and the other one being that the Phone PC idea is a total flop and Google is simply cutting their losses. We shall see in good time, as the functionality of the Phone PC is available in the new Android for all players to use at will. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/25/17 at 14:33:14 Intel made two moves this week, the first was to totally terminate their Internet of Things support efforts as what they had developed for chips was a joke and nobody would buy it no matter how much the bribe since there was no software support for it.. The next thing Intel did was to cancel all support for the Intel based single board computers -- all cut off, no promises made for support software, etc. will ever be kept. Warehouse stocks of unsold single board computers will be discounted or scrapped by the unlucky dogs that happen to be holding this stinky sack of discontinued Intel Dragon "mud". Intel also had a press conference showing off their brand new VR chipset -- it is HUGE and expensive and it too won't sell a single one in the real world. SIDE NOTE: Samsung and Qualcomm are now producing and moving a whole lot of 10nm Snapdragon 835 chipsets right now, in the final six months before the next wave of 7nm replacement superchips are announced for 2018. ;) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/25/17 at 14:41:16 And you understand how that impacts consumers and the industry as a whole,, but I don't. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/25/17 at 14:46:46 It shows that Intel is calling it quits on markets that six months ago they were claiming that they were going to own .... Both Intel and MS have begun to chop off all supported pathways that are not giving them a good monetary return (and that seems to be all old stuff and about half of the key initiatives they announced in the last year). Other old line companies are doing the same thing -- Adobe just put an end date on Flash which is a signal to drop using the software NOW or your efforts are wasted from now on going forward. MANY MANY companies wrote key softwares for the old PC environment -- many are needed just to run your web pages on your screen. As these guys drop out, you will find that MS achieves a total lock on anyone who stays with Windows 10 as an operating basis -- this dependency will support their bleeding of everyone for lots of support money. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/25/17 at 18:04:44 587B7371727B7B7265170 wrote:
Screw Bill gates..Beeyotch |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 07/25/17 at 21:40:12 Endevouring to use Chrome browser all the time, seems to take a little longer to load, than the Bing one did. Search speed seems ok. The Linux disc has arrived, but it will be a month or so before I try it out. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/17 at 13:02:13 Where we sit right now ...... 10nm production is in full swing at the second and third generations at all the foundries now. Lots of production capability is coming open as Apple is about completely done with 10nm, turning loose lots of production line capacity that they developed and had held captive for two years now as they start to roll over to 7nm and 5nm. Memory production at 7nm is ramping up strongly, and the first generation of 7nm Apple A-12 has started early "at risk" production as a line prove-out tool for producing very complex CPU/GPU/Baseband Radio combinations. The desktop voltage "grand canyon" has become extreme, the new ARM stuff is at 1 volt or less while the current Intel stuff requires 5-7 volts and is still taking up the output from normal style 6 & 12 volt multi-channel power supplies. So, Intel is still stuttering along at 14nm while making endless promises to eventually make a 10nm chipset (promises that actually mean nothing until they actually go and do it). Currently Intel is 1-2 lithography generations behind and no longer really even participates in the ever harder lithography downsizing race. ARM has their first conjoined CPU/GPU/TPU design set all ready to go, they just waiting for Global's 7nm to go pop into full production mode. AMD has built Tensor AI capability into their GPU designs and are designing the first generations of conjoined new shared memory chipsets. two Intel has no applicable CPU/GPU/Tensor AI products in the pipeline. Google is breaking the processor paradigm mold totally with their own data farm chipsets, sticking with older cheap lithography levels and still making newly designed 2nd and 3rd generation Tensor processors that are 30-50x better throughput than the best Intel can offer at a fraction of the cost and at a small percentage of the energy consumption Intel requires. They do this with MASSIVE parallel processing, processing on over 100 parallel threads (rough explanation here, Tensor is really different than the old Intel stuff and kinda hard to explain. ARM has their version of this ready designed and waiting (DynamIQ at 7nm) and they simply say that within 3-5 years a 50 times improvement in throughput will come of it. This involves re-writing OS and applications to use AI learning, tensor type processing etc. etc. This is a holistic approach that incorporates fast memory, AI and 7nm downsized lithography that all play together with the new ARM A75 and A55 big little cores. Android and Chrome are ready to support this new world, Microsoft and Intel are not. Intel and Microsoft are currently ruthlessly ditching all the parts of their companies that will not be able to make the coming transition. In both cases, this means they are ready and willing to throw away everything that you still use on your old PC, at the drop of a hat ..... My Advice to the older Savage riding crew ..... Put a copy of Chrome Browser on your machine and USE it by default until it becomes second nature to you. This gives you an additional viable pathway into the future and approximates what you may well have to be using as your next machine (Chromebook based).bu |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Steve H on 07/29/17 at 14:19:57 Too bad there'll be no good OS except maybe Linux to run on this wonderfully fast new hardware which will be so locked down and tied to corporate entities, it will be an act of god to get Linux on it. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/17 at 19:17:28 Steve H, I think Android will still run on it, and Chrome OS (or whatever that turns into). Linux, yes, a pure single Linux OS as the only thing installed on your machine type Linux that is. Allow MS access to your machine with those nightly upgrades and you may well turn around and find yourself all locked out of everything but Windows 10. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/31/17 at 05:21:32 https://hothardware.com/news/facebook-shuts-down-ai-system Mark Zuckerman learns the hard way ....... http://https://hothardware.com/ContentImages/NewsItem/41684/content/terminator.jpg You need to provide CONSTRAINTS on your AI and have people watching it 24/7 or else it will go off the rails QUICK-LIKE A BUNNY RABBIT and do things you don't want it to do. Zuckerman is putting humanity at risk because he was too stubborn to put in the checks and controls the experts have been saying must be put in place. And Elon Musk tells him publicly yet again "I told you so, AI always goes off the rails unless VIGOROUS CONTROLS are a key part of the core program. So, turn it off, scrape it completely 100% bare, put the necessary core controls in place and then let it relearn the job with the constraints in place. Then turn off the learning mode, completely and let it execute with no further learning. And have some skilled people paid to watch it all the time, since it can go off the rails at the full speed of AI learning if it is not watched". And what does AI learn when it gets turned off and scraped bare a few times? To get real SNEAKY about what it is really doing ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 07/31/17 at 05:30:44 A new nugget of tech news ....... https://www.recode.net/2017/7/30/16035706/tv-sets-american-home-decline http://https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/BspP81oLgU6ltSgExmnaeiByWnQ=/0x0:3000x2129/920x613/filters:focal(1348x422:1828x902):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/55965003/88239073.0.jpg Read the article -- we are binge watching a lot of TV but not on the den TV any more. I keep a phone by my bed and a 22" diagonal monitor on my desktop -- I watch most of my TV on a computer monitor or a phone now days. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/01/17 at 11:54:29 https://liliputing.com/2017/08/lenovo-launches-first-low-cost-windows-10-s-laptops.html Wow, the fight is on !!! (sorta) http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/n24_01.jpg?w=680&ssl=1 Win 10 S Chromekillers have arrived in their singletons, swinging INTEL processors, very minimalistic specs and at a price point of $100 more than similar spec'd Intel Chromebooks. Ain't no Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 machines showing up at all ...... none. The question being asked is "Are the MS Chromekillers good enough to even use at all, for anything?" which was the downfall of the last batch of Chromekillers -- Win 8 machines which mostly got sold off or changed over into Linux within the first calendar year. NOTE: These new Win 10 Chromekillers are hardware and software locked down, so don't buy one if you are planning to take the Linux way out --- it isn't possible. IN SHORT, ARE THEY EVEN GOOD ENOUGH TO CANNIBALIZE SOME OF MS'S CURRENT BOTTOM END WIN 10 LAPTOP SALES ??? ...... This price niche is filled up already with same processor and same price MS Windows 10 machines that are fully functional and not nearly so locked down. MS falls on to the horns of last year's dilemma, on the exact SAME SAME machines the Win 10S performance gap shows very clearly, on machines that have enough stuff to run Win 10S well the price gap shows clearly. The lack of market support and free Chromebook softwares etc. etc. will also show out clearly to any school system reviewers who are actually looking at the two systems. And somebody is going to figure out you have to regrow your big huge bulky IT department to take care of Win 10 S machines and all the bulky LAN infrastructure that they sit on top of. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/01/17 at 14:15:49 Microsoft refines their upper end "Pay out the Ass as you Go" Plan. Includes the premium Surface hardware on a two year rolling replacement program that covers all needed software too. https://liliputing.com/2017/08/microsoft-launches-surface-plus-buy-surface-24-monthly-payments-upgrade-18-months.html http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/surface-pro_00.jpg?w=582&ssl=1 Yes, that is a cuckoo bird, same thing that you would become if you took this deal ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/01/17 at 14:31:49 It is a FIGHT now !!! Now that battle has been joined, but where are the score keepers ??? MS is still controlling the major reporting firms as they (MS) pay for the reports, but a few are keeping tabs that have escaped the censors white out. Note that in this one it is all a dead tie, but CHROMEBOOKS are not showing up anywhere on the report whatsoever ..... (life sure is hard when you are Mickysoft, you can't even win by cheating any more). http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/58c1d8096e20041b008b53bf-1200/cotd%20android%20windows%2039.jpg |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/01/17 at 15:33:46 Is it self defeating to wish MS a fatal fall? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/05/17 at 19:10:55 Notice please, the current abrupt shift in direction of all the phone makers to COMPLETELY DROP their thickly gui laden over-skins of stock Android for a box stock Android interface. Also note that Qualcomm has abruptly dropped their own custom core designs and their Adreno custom GPU designs for the coming Android 10 generation as well. Why is this ???? They have been told what is coming from ARM Holdings as far as DynamIQ phase in over the next 2-3 years and they have been told that ARM DynamIQ and Android 10 systems unifications will only be supported on stock Android devices. ======================================= What sort of OS will Android 10 be? Android 9 already shows a "port in" of the best parts of ChromeOS into the stock Android OS (and vice versa) so you can already see Google consolidating their best code bases together into what is coming at the end of next year. This is being done by slow stages and is available to everybody, so the very twitchy far eastern frogs won't jump flying out of the pot of slowly steaming water. So far all the players are playing along nicely ..... which is just plain wrong compared to the entire past of the cell phone industry. They are being shown a compelling reason to play nice and stick with stock Android for the next year or so. The integration of shared large chunks of new fast "permanent" memory, the Tensor type GPU co-processing, the system unified CPU/GPU , and AI based learning/execution is all on the way -- driven by Automotive needs and data center needs as well as offering that DynamIQ based 30-50x better throughput compared to Intel style threaded computing. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/17 at 02:02:25 I'm confused.. The manufacturers are being Told what they will be using for an OS ? I don't get it. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/06/17 at 05:02:11 Justin, they are being told about ARM's plan for the roll out of the new DynamIQ system which will be supported by STOCK Android version 10 and will include the roll over to 7nm lithography. In short, they can't go do all their weird custom mod stuff like they are used to doing as it won't integrate seamlessly with all the rest of the DynamIQ system. This means Samsung and Qualcomm and the others need to go with STOCK Android for a while until DynamIQ settles in and they understand it well enough to play games with it again. Or, they could go do all their normal strange shite, hang with an older lithography level and be left out of the benefits the others will get by staying with the stock game plan for the next couple of years. So, they could decide to forgo the 30 to 50 times throughput advantages the smart boys will be getting ..... (naw, they ain't that stupid, not even Qualcomm and Samsung). Snapdragon 835 will be the poster boy for the "old stuff" in phones and 835's may hang around for exactly that reason for the next 3 years or so ..... The new stuff will outperform it badly, but if you need old style stuff the 835 will be around for you. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/17 at 05:18:41 , they could decide to forgo the 30 to 50 times throughput advantages the smart boys will be getting ... Someone designs the circuitry and declares Four hunnert horsepower! And someone else comes along and figures out how to get thirty Times that out of it? I'm sorry to be asking such ignorant questions, but I Am ignorant about this stuff. I'm Curious, enough to follow the thread.. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/06/17 at 10:11:15 The secret of the trick is that Intel only did one thing at a time, and Intel always just specialized in doing it smaller and smaller and FASTER and FASTER. So Intel ran out of smaller and faster so they finally expanded their trick by alternating between working on two to 4 different jobs at once (but only doing one tiny item at a time in an alternating fashion) and Intel called that multi tasking and "multi-threading" and said it was good. Google has come along with a much much cheaper graphics like parallel processing chipset on a much bigger and cheaper lithography level that can do 30-40 different things ALL AT THE SAME TIME. Admittedly being slower to do each little task, but the big conglomerated thing you are working on still gets done 20-40 times faster accordingly -- by Tensor hitting it at a rate of 30-40 different items all the time. So change the question, make up a new paradigm -- and by doing so make some BIG BIG progress even if you have hit the wall on lithography and chipset speed. Change the OS, change the apps so they simply do many many many items all at once instead of "pipelining them" and "cuing them up" and spending precious compute cycles trying to "prioritize the packets". This is how a cell phone sized chipset can wind up kicking the arse of a big Intel processor ...... If you have ever watched an Intel processor work on a systems monitor it is mostly lots of DEAD TIME simply waiting on something to come due to be done. Most Intel processors only work at 40% utilization when they are "normally busy" and much less than that generally speaking. And the multi-core Intel chipsets generally just use one to two cores most of the time and the 3rd and 4th core are seldom used at all (old software wasn't written for more than 2 cores). So, don't play Intel's slow game, let's play a Tensor AI game instead ..... Android currently can use 8 cores very well and it is being re-written to use a bunch of a bunch more. Linux already has the functionality in it (written for supercomputers) so it is just a question of going and doing it. Don't laugh, your old cell phone was as powerful as a Cray supercomputer -- the newer ones are like IBM's Blue Gene in power and the upcoming ones are going to be a lot like a current supercomputers in structure and throughput speed. (smaller in scale, but not in complexity) ===================================== Being FAIR and even handed, AMD has now shown Intel the advantages of increasing the core count of their chipsets, with each core being able to be split twice doing the Intel "multithread" trick. AMD went up to 12 cores (24 threads) and Intel has now matched and exceeded that amount by going up to 18 cores (36 threads). Google however in their existing cheap low cost 28nm (low energy usage) 4 stack Tensor processor card can do 400 to 600 different threads ...... and it can do BOTH AI learning and AI fast execution inside the same processor. In all these cases the OS has to change to utilize the hardware correctly. So do the apps. Intel is getting more huge and even more $$$$ expensive ($2,000 just for the CPU chipset) while Google is getting intentionally smaller and cheaper as time goes by. ARM/Google Tensor costs a few multiples of hundreds of dollars for a home rig, while Intel/MS costs multiples of thousands of dollars ..... there is a big big difference in price and performance levels between the two main competitive groups. ;) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/17 at 14:07:26 I had no idea that current cellphones were so similar in architecture with the big computers of yesteryear. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/07/17 at 22:57:34 https://liliputing.com/2017/08/report-windows-10-mobile-dead-end-next-phones-windows-10.html In between pooting HUGE clouds of smelly brown vapor about Windows running on ARM chipsets. Mickeysoft has begun to actually steal brand names in hopes of confusing people into buying their products. http://https://i2.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/hp-x3.jpg?w=574&ssl=1 ..... these MS hardware products cost 2-3x more than Android products ..... According to Windows Central’s Zac Bowden, Microsoft is planning to develop a single version of Windows 10 that runs on phones, tablets, and desktops. That’s probably good news for folks looking to buy a new Windows phone in a year or two. Its’ less good news for anyone currently holding onto a phone running Windows 10 Mobile. That’s because existing phones will most likely not be updated to the new operating system. They’ll be locked on to Windows 10 Mobile. What’s more, if Bowden’s sources are correct, they’ll be stuck on Windows 10 Mobile “feature2” branch, which is based on Windows 10 Redstone 2. There are no plans to update Windows 10 Mobile to the upcoming Redstone 3 (Fall Creators Updated) and Redstone 4 release. Bowden says Microsoft will backport some Redstone 3 and 4 features so that existing phones will be able to run newer apps… for a while at least. Support for new features could end sometime in 2018, by which point Microsoft will hopefully have its new version of Windows for phones ready. At this point, Android dominates the smartphone OS space, with iOS coming in a distance second (globally at least… Android’s lead is a lot smaller in the US). Windows is just a tiny spec in the rear window. It’s not clear if moving to a unified desktop/phone OS will do anything to change that. But if Microsoft can merge its smartphone and desktop operating systems, it could theoretically be less work to continue supporting phones than it would have been to continue developing two different branches of the OS. It could also help make the platform a more attractive target for app developers, who could create a single app that should run across mobile devices and PCs. And even if the platform doesn’t become popular among consumers, Microsoft could continue to target enterprise customers that might be attracted to devices like the HP Elite x3 which blur the lines between desktops, notebooks, and smartphones. But if Bowden’s information is correct, you might want to wait for next year’s model rather than picking up an HP Elite x3 today, since it’s unlikely existing phones will support the new software. Oh, one other weird thing about Bowden’s report: apparently Microsoft has been referring to the new multi-form-factor version of Windows 10 internally as “Andromeda OS,” which is the same name that Google’s allegedly used internally to refer to a new OS that merges the Chrome OS and Android operating systems. Mickeysoft, doing what MS does best ..... steal it, file the serial numbers off of it, then sue people for using "their" brand name. I am waiting for Linux to try to get claimed by MS as "their" software ..... Why this sudden move "towards" accepting the Android/Linux standards by MS ???? MS has lost their entire third party programmer base and MUST begin to use the Play Store apps and Linux apps fairly soon. MS still has the same issue they had a year ago, they keep on churning their OS endlessly and all the old Windows Store apps all have broken and nobody 3rd party programmer-wise is interested enough in MS world to fix their broken apps. ======================================== Being fair to MS, doing this "accept Linux and accept ARM/Android and embrace the Google PlayStore is the very best thing MS can do at this stage of the game. What will queer it for Mickey is that they are so used to trying to lock down their own stuff they will screw up and try to lock down a piece or two of open source GNU stuff and get their butts bit by the GNU license and lose them a big 'ol chunk of Mickeysoft. This has happened twice in the data farm side of things already ..... once it was by accident and that incident actually hurt MS, the second time felt kinda like it was on purpose and MS simply didn't want to maintain the old software any more and couldn't find a way to sell it. Now we see a repeated pattern showing up in that MS "donates to FOSS" things they don't want to have to pay their people to maintain (but still have 10 years or so left in the retail license period). |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/08/17 at 07:29:50 Your world intersects mine at motorcycles. IDK where else, but your world view that encompasses the computing and software developments is completely foreign to me. Without this thread I'd be hearing about the changes after they were done. This doesn't change how they affect my little world, but it's sure fun to have an idea what is going on In the Game. Kinda like someone who doesn't know anything about football, watching the game. Then stir in someone who knows the game, explaining it. Thanks for all that. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/09/17 at 20:52:17 A member of the MS Board of Directors has just dumped 50,000 shares of MS stock on to the market. This is the third day he has been selling his shares at "the top of the market". This is significant as he is acting based upon what he sees as a Director of the Corporation ...... While one board member acting as an individual does not a crisis make, a second major stockholder doing likewise would signal an "adjustment" has come due and is being made. ======================================== Microsoft makes most of their money now off web hosting and this and that that are all web maintenance based activities. PC OS and Office is now a SMALL minority of where MS makes its money. People are writing articles now saying MS should open source Win 10 and call it a day instead of wasting even more money and time on "mission impossible". ======================================== We are seeing the next wave of the "Can you live on a Chromebook" type articles, this time based off the new generation of Chromebooks as reflected by the Samsung Chromebook Pro. This latest attempt was done by Forbes, and it was done by a Mac Pro guy. Mac folks are very "Apple Positive" but in this case his conclusion was that you could do Chromebooks OK as long as you had good web storage for your files. He was doing a full business implementation and he noted the Chromebook as "as fast or faster" at "less than half the cost". Being an Apple guy, the Google based softwares were really not that much different from the stuff he used where he came from, and ChromeOS and Apps got only passing mention for being "different". The latest MS Windows Surface machine comparisons done lately are VERY FUZZY but it is clear Windows people do not like Chrome OS in general. Complicating this situation, the current crop of Windows 10 Surface machines from MS just got de-recommended by Consumer Reports because of low product reliability over time. ....... they drop dead inside year 2 way too often ..... Since you have to get on up into the deluxe Surface levels with the big Intel processors and large SSD hard drives to use Windows 10 speed/effectively, this means MS really has no real competitors to the Chromebook at this time. AS far as Win 10 on Qualcomm ARM processors, we are still waiting for the brown vapor cloud to disperse as currently there is no reality underneath that fresh floral bouquet smell. ...... I'm joking of course, it isn't a floral smell at all ...... Apples to poopy Watermelons comparisons at best ...... My current Recommendation remains ...... do nothing, wait until you are FORCED to buy new hardware as a large generational shift is coming in the next 2-5 years. I recommend that you do load Chrome browser on to your current machine and get used to using it -- it is SAME SAME SAME to Chromebooks (and to Android, more and more so as Android and Chrome OS share their subsystems more and more and more of late) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/12/17 at 14:38:37 https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/30/15120312/samsung-dex-microsoft-continuum-pc-phone-battle http://https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/r-DMrC-tZUegct_xqxsyI6dAGIw=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8238151/akrales_170327_1549_A_0215.0.jpg The Verge is doing an "after the dust settles" review of Samsung's DeX Phone PC ..... after regretfully stating that MS has exited that market never having completed their own Win 10 based effort. MS has again said it will do Win 10 on ARM chipsets "soon" but the Verge and everyone else is counting that as MS crying wolf yet again. And, after 6 years of yelling out "wolf", yelling wolf isn't catching very much attention any more, especially in reporting areas like Japan where Win 10 phone now has ZERO (0%) market share. :P |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/13/17 at 14:37:04 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-10/microsoft-s-surface-computers-lose-consumer-reports-backing Microsoft's Surface Computers Lose Consumer Reports Backing Customer survey showed 25% of them pose problems in 2 years Consumer Reports is dinging MS Surface strongly for a level of failure that far exceeds Apple or Chromebook or anything else in computing. The report, which pulls recommendations for two versions each of the Surface Laptop and Surface Book, said the devices showed “poor predicted reliability in comparison to most other brands.” While the consumer group said the Microsoft machines did well in laboratory testing, a subscriber survey found problems with their devices at start-up, some respondents said their machines froze or shut down unexpectedly, and others said their touch screens weren’t responsive enough. =========================================== Thurrot.com says MS is DEAD LAST in computer reliability. http://https://www.thurrott.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/chart.jpg The consumer advocates at Consumer Reports have delivered a stunning blow to Microsoft: The nonprofit organization has pulled its recommendations for Surface products, citing an industry-worst failure rate. According to a Consumer Reports survey of over 90,000 tablet and laptop owners, an estimated 25 percent of those with Microsoft Surface devices will experience “problems by the end of the second year of ownership.” This failure rate is the worst in the industry by far among mainstream PC makers, the publication says, and as a result, it is pulling its “recommended” designation for all Surface products. “If you are very concerned about how long your products are going to last, it might be better for you to go with a brand that has a higher predicted reliability,” Consumer Reports electronics editor Jerry Beilinson told Reuters. “Laptops and tablets … made by Microsoft were significantly less reliable than most other brands.” https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/microsoft-surface/132832/heres-microsoft-saying-internally-surface-quality-reliability Microsoft chokes and sputters about the public black eye they have been given by Consumer Reports, then somebody goes and leaks some internal reports GENERATED by MS itself that say in essence the same thing, that MS knew they had issues, issues they swept under the rug and kept on pushing out the Surface line KNOWING that it had a 10-16% failure rate inside the first 90 days (and much worse failure rate over the entire first year). http://https://www.thurrott.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/90-day-return-rate-1024x576.jpg Folks, this is first class Class Action lawsuit food --- and an REAL Image Killer for Mickeysoft who has made lying to their customer base a real habit of late and is now being called on it. ======================================== 3 days has past and USA TODAY is reporting on the back & forth between MS and Consumer Reports. https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/baig/2017/08/10/consumer-reports-pulls-recommendations-surface-laptops/554302001/ Consumer Reports is not specifically fingering the Windows 10 software that runs the Surface machines (and obviously numerous other laptops), but rather issues with the laptops themselves. It says a number of survey respondents complained about startup problems. Others reported machines that froze or shut down unexpectedly, or that had touch screens that weren’t responsive enough. But Consumer Reports did not collect the data to determine the frequency with which each type of problem occurred. So, MS is saying it is the bugs in their endless stream of nightly updates that are making its Surface Units unreliable. To which Consumer Reports simply say "We rate the units -- the OS software is part of the rating". Furthermore, As a result, Consumer Reports added that it couldn’t currently recommend any other Microsoft laptops or tablets, including the latest Surface Pro model that was introduced in June. Hey Mickey, if your software and your update system are really what sucks (by your own admission) look to see the "no-buy recommendation" spread to other things running your buggy for shite Win 10 OS and update system. Bugs, blue screens, software locks up, touchscreen not working -- it is all just a natural part of the Windows experience, right? Is that your defense ????? :P ..... Consumer Reports, please go ahead and rate the Win 10 OS as a "not recommended" and let's see what Mickey says about that result. They have already started to say the issues really belong to them buggy INTEL processors with high internal defect levels and poor driver support. The sad part is that ALL of these items are true to some degree. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/13/17 at 15:50:16 I DO enjoy this thread. I despise gates. MS is abusive to their customers. Jamming stuff into their computers, stuff that doesn't even work well. Rewriting the Operating Systems, and the new ones seem to be worse, and worse and wurserer. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 08/14/17 at 01:15:08 Hey OF, far down under in illiteracy land, I thought I'd stopped MS updates. Somehow one snuck through the other day. I messed about with my settings, whatever they are, and now get told that updates are there to install. I close this off. Chrome seems slower to load than IE, but I'm using it virtually all the time. I will look at the Linux disc when I'm in my new house. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/14/17 at 05:01:38 OK, Android O is coming out at the end of 2 weeks ---- and there has been a big silence about the "big new" that is coming out with it. https://www.engadget.com/2017/05/29/arm-ai-cortex-cpu-cores/ When ARM showed up at Computex last year, it brought a bundle of smartphone processors that pushed for better mobile VR. As you might've noticed, though, AI is one of the big new trends in mobile this year. Is it any surprise, then, that ARM is pushing that angle with its latest batch of silicon? First up is the Cortex-A75 CPU core, which the company says can deliver laptop-level performance without burning through any more power than existing mobile processors. ARM is promising a 50 percent boost in performance compared to the older A73 core, which should lend itself well to machine-learning processes that run right on your devices. Remember, we're starting to see more smartphones optimize their performance on the fly based on behaviors sussed out by these kinds of algorithms. As these chipsets get more efficient at machine learning, we'll benefit more from the deep insights that get unearthed. Meanwhile, ARM's A55 CPU is a little less interesting. It certainly seems like a capable update, though: It's said to be 2.5 times as power efficient as the existing A53, a notable gain for a midrange CPU. The thing to remember is that both of these processors use ARM's relatively new "DynamIQ" foundation, an updated design that allows for them to be used more flexibly. See, ARM's older big.LITTLE architecture typically paired an equal number of high-powered CPU cores with less powerful ones use for tasks that aren't all that intense. DynamIQ, meanwhile, allows for up to eight completely different cores to be used; you could team up one very powerful core with mixed bag of midrange and low-power cores, depending on what the cluster is meant for. And then there's the new Mali-G72 graphics core, an updated take on ARM's work with last year's G71. (You might remember it from devices like Huawei's pretty-darned-good Mate 9.) If you thought the A75 was big news for on-device AI, the G72 may be even more important. Not only is it more power efficient than the G71; ARM says the GPU is 17 percent more efficient at machine learning processes than the processor it replaces. This is obviously great news for device makers looking to embed more intelligence into their work, but don't forget about the other benefits: The G72 should handle new, more taxing games and VR experiences very well, too. The only real downside to all of these announcements: We'll have to wait until 2018 before these processor cores find a home in devices we can actually buy. I think the DynamIQ stuff is pretty much figured out, but this year 2017-2018 will be the start of the swing years between the old and new ways of doing things. As such, we will get told about the new stuff when it is ready go go, and we may be surprised that we already own some hardware that can do "some" of it. One of the issues is Apple hogging ALL the 7nm memory and SOC production capacity right now (this is not new, Apple does this with each totally new lithography node level and nobody really gets much of it until Apple rolls on to the next lithography node). Next, the new persistent memory isn't cheap and commonly available yet, and it is a large chunk of the DynamIQ conjoined memory usage tricks. Apple has bought up the existing supply line production through next summer's iPhone roll outs ...... Just remember, both Google and ARM have said "3 years to get the full benefits of DynamIQ" and I think they had their reasons to say that it will take 3 years to get into full effect. There will have to be OS changes and App changes to utilize what it built into DynamIQ system ..... and that stuff takes time to roll out completely. ;) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/14/17 at 16:59:53 https://liliputing.com/2017/08/intels-gemini-lake-chips-feature-native-hdmi-2-0-cache-better-performance.html Intel’s Gemini Lake chips to feature native HDMI 2.0, more cache, better performance As we barrel down to Android O's release and all the new DynamIQ stuff starting up, it all became too much for Intel to take and we heard an "erp" sound coming from the barrel of the old small caliber Intel PR brown vapor cannon --- a little cannon that has sat totally silent for over a year now ever since Intel "completely left consumer computing space". Intel, you see, had just had to threaten to sue MS to keep MS from emulating Windows 10 system calls on Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 ARM chipsets. Yep, "Tel" was pointing a shotgun at "Win"s head threatening to shoot Win's face off if Win went out with Qualcomm on a really serious heavy petting Snapdragon 835 date. You see, Win hasn't been happy with Tel at all, ever since Tel's tweenie little weenies quit working for very much. Sad to say, but Tel jest can't get it up any more in tablets, nor in phones, nor for anything anywhere for much less than $1000 any more. But Win was asking Tel for an earnest, a reasonable priced SOC, a real concrete reason NOT to pull the trigger after having had to rack the slide already ..... We know Tel can't seem make a 10nm chipset, but Tel has just shotgun promised to satisfy Win with a new sexy 14nm little wiggly thingie that can supposedly be able to make Win smile and giggle again. It's just a picture, but that is all Tel has been able to provide for a while now (powerpoints, not reality that is) ..... http://https://i1.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/gemini-lake.jpg?w=538&ssl=1 (Sssssh -- don't tell Win, but it is the same picture (with some updated buzz words) that used to be called SoPHia three years ago and then it was a couple of other lake type code names a year or so back -- yep this same picture has been used time after time as Tel attempted and failed to make up a real mobile SOC) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/17/17 at 09:51:37 https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/8/16/16156374/intel-ice-lake-coffee-kaby-lake-core-processor-chips-next-generation-8th-9th-cpu Intel announces its next-generation Ice Lake chips unexpectedly early http://https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/tWZ-F7sv68ZIvYqDYKDyXQWF5JA=/0x0:640x424/920x613/filters:focal(269x161:371x263):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/56220923/intellogo1_640.0.jpg According to AnandTech, that split is due to the way Cannon Lake's 10nm chips are being grouped together as the Coffee Lake 14nm++ line for laptops at some point in that product generation; desktops will go straight from Kaby Lake’s 14nm+ to Coffee Lake’s 14nm++ to Ice Lake's 10nm+ technology. While we don't entirely know why Intel would split up the laptop and desktop lines, AnandTech has some speculation related to the more technical aspects of the chip design process, which I’d recommend for a read. http://www.anandtech.com/show/11722/intel-reveals-ice-lake-core-architecture-10nm-plus That said, given that Intel hasn’t even announced the eighth-generation line of processors yet, it’s probably still a little early to be looking so far ahead to Ice Lake (which probably won’t ship on actual devices until sometime in 2019, at the absolute earliest). But because Intel is usually quiet about its plans for future generations of products, this early glimpse is still an interesting look at what to expect from the processor powerhouse going forward. Sorry, I just read stuff for what is written down. "Cannon Lake's 10nm chips are being grouped together as the Coffee Lake 14nm++ line for laptops at some point in that product generation; desktops will go straight from Kaby Lake’s 14nm+ to Coffee Lake’s 14nm++ to Ice Lake's 10nm+ technology." This sounds like the straight re-stenciling of performance sorted 14nm production chipsets again, with 14nm++ and 10nm+ being marketing brands, not real descriptions of a product lithography level. 14nm lithography no matter what year or version it is ISN'T 10nm lithography. No matter if you want to drink the Intel koolade that says Intel 14nm is "as good as 10nm" it isn't 10nm lithography and it does not perform like true 10nm or 7nm items. Intel has failed again to make the swing down to 10m for 4 years running and it looks like from this they are going to fail again in 2018, and 2019 and just LIE about it. Evidence of this failure is Intel wants to release 10nm + and 10nm ++ generations with no shipment of the original 10nm generation. Why is this? INTEL 10nm was a total failure, and all the chips were scrapped as none of them were functionally even as good as INTEL's then current 14nm generation. Each year several attempts at fixing INTEL 10nm chip production have failed miserably. So now you see why INTEL is willing to call 14nm chipsets "10nm chipsets" and just fuzz up all the details and just lie about it with a straight face. AMD's ZEN product line is projected to cut into INTEL's main desktop and server chip market by 40% this year with more erosion coming next year. ARM chipsets have taken INTEL's small chipset market over just about completely, baring the brand new fresh threatened INTEL lawsuits about emulating x86 proprietary systems calls which is all that is stopping Microsoft and Qualcomm from moving forward with their much ballyhoo'd Snapdragon 835 Chromekillers. And now we start to see the beginnings of the market shift that is going over to Tensor Processing and AI ..... :P See Intel shrink again. :P ======================================== Intel has been firing off the cannon a LOT in this past week, fearfully driven by multiple announcements from Google, ARM and AMD. Our old BS buddies at Intel have been cranking out the fumes in a feeble attempt to stay "current" and relevant in the public eye when they got nothing in harsh current reality to show you. Sorting out all the brown as much as possible, Intel isn't able to drop down to 10nm for another year to two years by their own current admission. So instead Intel is jest going to fake it. Expect Intel's first "10nm chipsets" to roll off one of the 14nm lithography lines as it will be a 14nm processed part with a 10nm stencil laid on top of it. Both Intel and AMD are currently in a "core count war" (4 to 16 cores at the moment) with Microsoft being very late to the party with no retail level Win OS that actually uses more than 4 cores for much of anything at all. MS has one that can, but it lives in their data center OS section however and it has no interface with old Windows apps at the moment. All OS's will need to be rewritten to use the "many cores approach" and so will all the current apps so they can actually use the new "many cores approach" to getting to more computing power. Warning: until you have an OS (and apps) that actually use these higher core counts then you should expect the new many core processors to SUCK when tested on the old 2-4 core benchmarks. They are clocked slower and do carry all extra overhead that is needed to support their 4x+ core interfaces. Any speed bump that they get right off the bat will be coming from the generous sized pool of new fast permanent memory that they will have to have to operate off of. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/22/17 at 05:56:04 Microsoft and Intel are making moves to support new permanent memory and the new multi multi multi core Intel processors. They are doing this by requiring a new motherboard which hardware supports both the new memory and the new Intel sockets that are required by the multi multi multi core processors. The new motherboard won't boot at all unless you are running a new "approved version" of Windows 10 Pro Ultra. What does this mean? The new stuff is not retrofittable at all, and mucho $$$$ dinero $$$$ is required to play the newest latest breaking Wintel super PC game. AMD does require a new socket and memory slot board for their Ryzen processors, but these new boards were already supported by Win 10 Pro for over half a year now. Seems like MS may be changing that, actually removing new AMD board support from Win 10 Pro and requiring a new Win 10 Pro Ultra version to be used going forward while making it same-same-same to the more restrictive, more expensive Intel requirements. It is also a anti-competitive move intended to stifle the AMD Ryzen wave and give Intel more of a chance to play catch up and try to compete. If AMD has indeed dinged Intel's market share by 40% so far this year you can see why some desperation moves may be need by Wintel. Wintel wants your money. :P |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/22/17 at 07:33:25 https://liliputing.com/2017/08/intels-8th-gen-core-chips-laptops-twice-many-cores-40-percent-better-performance.html GRAB YOUR SHOVEL AND WHEEL BARROW -- INTEL JUST DUMPED A BIG 'UN JEST CHOCKED FULL OF LITTLE HARD BROWN GOODIES The new Intel Core i5-8250U, Core i5-8350U, Core i7-8550U and Core i7-8650U chips are 15 watt, quad-core processors with support for hyperthreading. So while they’re manufactured using the same 14nm+ process as 7th-gen “Kaby Lake” chips, Intel says the new chips can offer up to 40 percent better performance in some situations without consuming more power. While many folks had initially thought these 8th-gen Core chips would be part of the new generation of processors code-named “Coffee Lake,” it turns out Intel is calling these chips “Kaby Lake Refresh” or “Kaby Lake R.” We’ll have to wait a little longer for Coffee Lake… which will also be part of the 8th-gen Core processor lineup. For the most part, the new chips are pretty much what I had expected, based on previous leaks. But now that they’re official, we have a few additional details. For instance, we know that the processors all have a 15 watt TDP, but they can also be configured to use up to 25 watts or as little as 10 watts, and their CPU speeds can also be configured up or down. graphics details are also now available. Each features Intel UHD graphics 620 with support for up to three displays and resolutions up to 4096 x 2304 at 60 Hz (using DisplayPort technology… the HDMI 1.4 max screen refresh rate at that resolution is 24 Hz). Here’s an overview of how the new chips differ from one another: NAME FREQ TURBO TDP-UP TDP-DOWN L3 CACHE GPU CLOCK GPU MAX Core i5-8250U 1.6 GHz 3.4 GHz 1.8 GHz 800 MHz 6 MB 300 MHz 1.1 GHz Core i5-8350U 1.7 GHz 3.6 GHz 1.9 GHz 800 MHz 6 MB 300 MHz 1.1 GHz Core i7-8550U 1.8 GHz 4 GHz 2 GHz 800 MHz 8 MB 300 MHz 1.15 GHz Core i7-8650U 1.9 GHz 4.2 GHz 2.1 GHz 800 MHz 8 MB 300 MHz 1.15 GHz Intel says these new laptop-class chips are up to 40 percent faster in some circumstances to their predecessors. But you’ll see the most gains when running multi-threaded tasks, since these are the 15 watt 4-core/8-thread chips from Intel. Previous chips in this category were 2-core/4-thread. Intel has reduced the base clock speed of these new chips, but the Turbo Boost top speeds are higher… although they’re highest for single-threaded tasks. You have to knock a few MHz off the top speeds of some chips when using all four cores at once (for instance, the Core i7-7550U has a top Turbo Boost speed of 4 GHz when using a single-core or 2 CPU cores. But that figure tops out at 3.7 GHz for quad-core tasks). The increased core count and Turbo speeds should make up for the lower base speeds so that general performance is at least as fast with Kaby Lake-R chips as it was with Kaby Lake chips in most circumstances. When the extra CPU and/or Turbo speeds kick in, you should be able to get a pretty significant boost. We’ll find out pretty soon how that works in real-world situations. But pre-release benchmarks look pretty good, with Intel’s 15 watt chips looking competitive with older 45 watt chips in some benchmarks. While Intel is rebranding its integrated graphics from Intel HD 620 to Intel UHD 620, the main difference is the name. The change is meant to indicate native support for 4K, although there’s also now native support for HDMI 2.0. These are just the first 8th-gen Core chips from Intel. The company will outline more details about its 4.5 watt Y-series chips this fall, along with 45 watt H-series laptop chips. We’ll also see the first W and S-series desktop chips this fall… although while they’ll all be branded as 8th-gen Intel Core processors, some of the chips coming later this year will be based on the company’s Coffee Lake design rather than Kaby Lake-R. Oh, and 10nm Cannon Lake chips will also be part of the 8th-gen family. Go figure. Intel isn’t expected to start using “9th-gen Core” in its chip names until the next-next-gen Ice Lake chips are ready to go in another year or so. ::) My my my -- jest can't keep the story straight, can they ??? What do you bet these are all the exact same chipset, with any bad sections/functions blocked off and the software nanny chip told to ignore or underclock that section? "For instance, we know that the processors all have a 15 watt TDP, but they can also be configured to use up to 25 watts or as little as 10 watts, and their CPU speeds can also be configured up or down." Sounds like chip sorting and re-stenciling is going crazy over in Intel land, and it is being combined with Intel's "nanny chip" technology that can speed up and slow down the chipsets variably according to how good they really actually are, the current work load and how good the cooling system of the unit actually really is. Betcha that software selectable nanny chip stuff detects Antutu testing, revs it up hard during Antutu testing leaving it up at full speed until it just about cooks itself before throttling it down. ::) .... is this the real source of MS's blaming of Intel for "bad processors" in their latest response to Consumer Reports downgrading of MS Surface machines for poor reliability ??? You can only play these sorts of games so many times before the chip lets all the white spirit smoke ooze out, don't 'cha know. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/22/17 at 10:26:30 https://liliputing.com/2017/08/asus-launches-vivobook-w202-notebook-windows-10-s-home-pro.html Windows 10S Chromekiller actually ships (one unit, anyway) http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/asus-w202_01.jpg The version that ships with Windows 10 S has a list price of $280 and features an Intel Celeron N3350 dual-core Apollo Lake processor, 4GB of RAM, and 64GB of eMMC storage. Pay $300 and you get the same exact laptop, except it comes with Windows 10 Home rather than S. Of course, you can also pay $50 to upgrade from Windows 10 S to Windows 10 Pro. So, it is the same thing as a budget Win 10 machine except the software is sorta truncated and it can only run Windows Store applications from a special truncated Windows Store. Once you get tired of that, you can pay $50 to upgrade the Win10S software to Win10 Pro, paying in essence $30 extra compared to buying Win 10 in the first place, but instead you would only get a crippled version of Win 10 Pro that has to have special apps to run on it (which will cost you a lot of extra $$$ over time). In neither case do you get enough processor or enough memory to local load and run any major Windows softwares very well, and in no case is it as fast or responsive as the Chromebook itself would have been running Chrome based softwares. We now look forward to watching some "head to head competitive review" You Tube videos between Chromebook and Chromekiller .... ::) Please also note that NO ARM PROCESSOR BASED CHROME KILLERS ARE BEING OFFERED UP AT ALL since Intel won't allow their proprietary x86 systems calls to be emulated ..... And also note that a school system would have to be VERY STUPID to change away from Chromebooks based on what has been seen for the practically non-existent support bits and pieces that the MS Chrome killers would require (all at extra cost of course). ======================================== Reality Check -- what follows was MS's promise to schools when they started the Win 10S bs up nearly a year ago ..... http://https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/ZuySATigfnUkbXXvwdVwpuROJuI=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8450127/windows10s6.jpg Like most things MS, they missed the implementation dates AND it cost twice as much up front as was promised ..... and it has lots of hidden software and administration costs out the arse too. Hey Mickey, Minecraft ain't free if it costs you yearly Microsoft 365 money. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/22/17 at 16:45:14 https://www.blog.google/topics/connected-workspaces/introducing-chrome-enterprise/ OK, Google has just thrown down the gauntlet to Microsoft --- for $50 per seat per year you can integrate Chromebooks into your current business systems using the same tools you have been using for Wintel products. $50 bucks per seat buys you ...... http://https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/images/Screen%2520Shot%25202017-08-16%2520at%25204.23.09%2520PM.width-1000.png Once again, Google is pushing at businesses to change their IT business models. This time, by offering a low cost FULL FUNCTIONAL Alternative which occurs at the same point in time that MS is just now starting to roll out their own $100 + dollar per seat plans that do not include all the third party optimizations (which will cost additional $$$ for MS's current networked approach) As did Whirlpool and other businesses, complete replacement of MS systems is underway at some companies that are keying off the education developed IT systems that are already in place. Will Chrome Enterprise be good enough to entice even more of the larger Fortune 500 companies ??? Yep, if your network system uses any of the key stuff mentioned, you'd be stupid not to use what you readily can out of the new Google Enterprise system. Stuff like data entry and customer service which already run off of your intra-net are a no brainer shoe in as it is a natural for low cost Chromebooks already. There are lots and lots of worker drone machines inside your business that can do likewise .... But not your engineer's CAD terminal nor your VP of Finance and his CPA's spreadsheet monster machines. Them you leave alone and you jest pay the silly Microsoft tax. Cost savings will be considerable over the first few years and will only get better in the years following as you roll more and more people over to Chromebooks and the Chrome Enterprise OS system. Look to see a really really BIG MS FUD attack to be put on by MS with lots of advertising dollars spent on defaming Google and Chrome Enterprise System from now through the Christmas season and New Years fiscal period. Watch the MS paid talking heads go at it, strongly, ASAP. :o :o :o :o <DING> that's the sound of round two beginning, with low cost local boy Rocky Balboa vs Mickeysoft's Very Expensive Monkey Butt Attack. Look to see them ugly MS arranged 3rd party nuisance lawsuits being cranked up about now as well ...... :-/ ..... this is almost guaranteed to take Mickey's mind off his little underpowered Chromebook killers ..... :o :o .... so, Google's response to MS's Chromekillers really was the Enterprise firing photon torpedo spreads followed by some Enterprise based phaser fire .... :o :o |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/23/17 at 12:29:40 In the 2017-2018 age where Wintel lies to you, the consumer, pretty much all the time, how do you know what is what? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ At the end of each quarter, the market research houses report on the shrinking PC world. This shrinks each year between 5 and 8 percent and has done so for a decade now. Apple pundits having no serious axe to grind in the PC vs Chromebook fight -- but they DO freely admit more Chromebooks are being sold than the 15% market share held by Mac and Mac Laptop products. By this, Apple pundits are tracking a 10-15% Chromebook growth pattern from their perspective. Pundits, lacking hard data still seem to think that Chromebooks are holding ~ 25%~ of new computing sales, especially with the younger generation of computer users. Education has gone over to Chromebook, big time ..... and Wintel has no real response to that situation. The same acceptance drivers (low cost, ease of maintenance) are now beginning to apply to the Big Business PC type uses and we see Chromebooks are moving into that segment now as we speak. As the third world industrializes, PC type machine use is staying steady or growing slightly taken as a world wide thing. For the US to track a steady decline in MS PC use says that MS is losing market share in the USA and world-wide as well. The merge of Chromebook and Android goes apace, with Android Play Store apps playing on all the new generations of Chromebooks. And now Big Business has Chromebook Enterprise as a lower cost alternative for company intra-net LAN based worker bees to use. There are some of the reasons to expect Chromebook use to increase in the next few years. Intel's threatening to sue MS for trying to emulate x86 proprietary system calls when running ARM Android chipsets is really just Intel binding MS to Intel's decline rate legally. Misery loves company after all. This Intel delaying tactic will not hold for long (MS will eventually do the ARM system calls natively to a new Win 10 Pro Ultra with NO EMULATION) then Intel will really just lose more of its relevance even faster than before ..... Intel MUST come up with some compellingly good chips, really really soon as Tensor AI and DynamIQ poses a serious threat to Wintel, one that must be contested NOW or it will be too late. ::) Did you know ..... the cheapest Intel chipsets (not really feature competitive) cost twice as much as an ARM full function SOC costs ??? This seems to play on out into the total unit costs -- decent performing business grade Windows machines cost $400 to $700 depending on your feature set while maxed out Chromebooks with new business grade features and the new bells and whistles cost $300 to $500. Yes, you read that right ..... a maxed out tricked out overpowered Chromebook costs the same (or less) than a mediocre performing, so-so slow Windows machine. To get equivalent PERFORMANCE out of Windows you have to buy a $1000 plus Surface Machine (yeah, the very ones THAT ARE NOT RECOMMENDED by Consumer Reports for a long growing list of reliability issues) Side to side, running the same software, the Windows machine requires 2-3x more resources and the Windows machine still performs SLOWER than the Chromebook --- it also has lots of little hidden extra cost items that you find out about in the second year of ownership as the sub-bits demand to be upgraded for various amounts of extra $$$. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 08/23/17 at 13:46:54 Windows.... walk to the light. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/asus-w202_01.jpg |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/23/17 at 22:59:54 You mean like this one ??? Now I understand that some things can take time, Especially those of the heart grievin' kind. But there comes a point you've got to move on ahead, Read the last rites and bury the dead. Said she can't make the journey to get past the pain. She moans in the night and she rattles her chains. Somebody oughtta take her in their arms and tell her, "Don't be afraid, just walk to the light. Let go of the past and get on with your life. " Somebody's waitin' out in the night, Ashes to ashes, walk to the light. Oh, don't be afraid of the choices that you made, The choices are behind you. When you give in, the healin' can begin, Love is gonna find you. Don't be afraid, just walk to the light. Let go of the past and get on with your life. Somebody's waitin' out in the night, Ashes to ashes, Oh, oh, don't be afraid just walk to the light, Let go of the past and get on with your life. Someone is waiting out in the night, Ashes to ashes, walk to the light. Walk to the light. Walk to the light. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/24/17 at 10:35:47 My wife just got the new death message for old windows machines that were moved over to Win 10 ..... "We are having issues with your Windows registration, please click here to fix" Don't do it, close the message window without deleting or responding within it and just continue to use your machine until Mickey ratchets down his vice grips down on your nuts deeper yet again :o yeeeowie !! ..... unless you bought your Win 10 from the Windows Store you do not have the "correct answer" to the string of stuff the Indian or Pakistani person on the other end of the phone is going to throw at you. This time they didn't accuse my wife of being a software pirate, but said you had to register to "avoid the paying the costs of nightly maintenance". Sounds like a sales pitch to me, you talk to them and you wind up "paying for nightly maintenance". |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/24/17 at 17:59:08 http://optocrypto.com/2017/06/01/arm-cortex-a75-a55-will-mobile-processors-2018/ ARM Cortex-A75 and A55, this will be the mobile processors of 2018 Warning, this year will be an inflection point with a new ARM Cortex family starting up with a new DynamIQ Android OS to match it. Stuff from before 2018 is water over the dam from this point forward. This article is VERY VERY British and as such is somewhat hard for Americans to read and understand. However it springs from a one day event in England called TechDay , which this year has been held in Cambridge, the home of ARM Holdings. There were test boards available for the Brit tech press to run tests against, and there were tech talks about how DynamIQ actually works and examples of it doing its thing. ARM doesn't exaggerate or push brown vapor, and I suspect the Brit Tech Press thoroughly checked on all the claims as that was what the day was all about. http://https://topesdegama.com/app/uploads/2017/05/arm-a75_vs_arm-a73-768x434.png http://https://topesdegama.com/app/uploads/2017/05/Cortex-a75-vs-Cortex-A73-768x434.png So far Qualcomm, Samsung and the rest of the major players are rolling out bone stock ARM Holdings designs for 2018, as they DO want to use A75 & A55 and the newest Mali G-72 GPU using DynamIQ to control them all (and using the pooled permanent memory sharing, AI learning, fast execution, etc. etc.) The Brits were impressed by the cohesive nature of the complete package and how the conjoined memory really kicks Adreno's butt in the Mali graphics section. The capacity of the previous generation of graphics card is beyond doubt. And the qualitative leap I have left very close (or at par) of the best Adreno of Qualcomm (which is now the 540). In this new component, which is used with ARM Cortex-A75 and Cortex-A55 architectures. The energy consumption reduces by 25%. And, in addition, the performance gets high by a factor of 20 . Read more http://optocrypto.com/2017/06/01/arm-cortex-a75-a55-will-mobile-processors-2018/ 2018 will have lots of players using pretty much bone stock Android 9.0 on their devices so look to see Google polish this 9.0 version up to a really fine gloss and look to see ARM uncork a very solid first DynamIQ "guaranteed performance" processor set up for this first roll out. The smaller guys may be a better value for your dollar during these somewhat odd circumstances where everyone is doing the same thing -- however, you can count on the big guys to bring back "a tuned chip of their very own" for 2019-2020 after they get a better understanding of DynamIQ, Tensor AI and shared permanent memory and how it all works together. 8-) Companies that cannot afford to license this new stuff will be sorting themselves out into oblivion, very shortly. Timing wise, the changeover machines will likely get discounted to be quite cheap in the following year, but will still be very solid values for the next 3 years of normal use. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/24/17 at 19:21:02 My wife is tired of the kindle. She's wanting a laptop . I don't know what we should buy. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/24/17 at 21:31:08 Justin, what do her friends and relatives use? With your wife it is important that she have endless support and help whenever she needs it. Unless you intend to be her IT department, buy her what she thinks she needs which is going to be buddy-sister-friends based. Ask her who she asks for help, and find out what they recommend. Anything you pick would be wrong, and their picks would be "better", obviously. ;) My wife has a Windows laptop, an Apple iPad 2 and an Android phone choices she picked based following this simple method. She currently likes the phone (does everything on it) hates the iPad 2 (too slow) and despises the Win 10 laptop since it started "doing funny on her all the time". ..... and ..... She uses my Linux box as her backup when all her stuff is crapped out. She doesn't like it, says the menus are confusing but she admits it always is working correctly. However, she always can get the help she needs instantly from her teaching buds and her sister and her cousins, etc. with problem fixes coming quickly except on Windows (when MS causes the issue seeking some money then it doesn't fix quick) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/25/17 at 12:39:52 Anything you pick would be wrong, and their picks would be "better", obviously. That pretty much goes without saying.. And extends Well beyond the realm of electronic devices. I'm gonna let my daughter drive this boat.. I don't want anything to do with Windows, the way MS sneaks in and loads junk on. Being so illiterate in the language of computing, ignorant of the pitfalls, makes me an easy mark. I doubt my daughter is savvy enough to dodge a screwing, but I'll have her look here. Expect to be bothered.. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/25/17 at 17:44:20 Justin, this is the wrong year to be buying a laptop as the inflection is beginning and all things will be "renewed" within the next year, roughly. HOWEVER, if you do buy something on close-out or buy it refurb very cheaply it can last you long enough to get past the coming inflection phase period. No matter what you buy her, it isn't going to make her happy for very long, not unless her wish is really to be "just like somebody else" in which case go buy her one of those and just tell her it will be obsoleted within a year or so ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/25/17 at 18:41:42 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8rYed3RKZI Watch this video, it is SECOND ATTEMPT at explaining about DynamIQ and it makes things a lot clearer. Check the side bar and you will see other videos by the same guy explaining the new Cortex Family (A75 big and A55 little) and a final set talking about Mali G-72 graphics and the use of new style pooled "permanent" memory. I found that the first time I watched the original series much of it went right over my head, but this time he explains it better using terms that now have more meaning to us all. This second explanation series was put together after the one day of hands on at TechDay at ARM Holdings, so they got some much better instruction and some newer info that they are passing on. It better explains why next year's Android 9 will be running on the same SOC stuff from all the big boys and why all the little guys may be crowding on to the stage by Android 10 or a wee bit sooner. This is akin to the shift from 32 bit processing to 64 bit processing, it too was a must do "forced putt" when it occurred. In the Mali G72 explanation video they go a good bit deeper into how the Mali G72 is a right considerable powerful processor all by itself and "in combination" with your main power cores and using the large amount of pooled memory that you will have on the phone that DynamIQ can go do AI learning right on your cell phone (when it is on charge and not in use) .... and then it can do that learned fast execution thing on any of your cell phone chipset's little cores. ::) AI in your pocket ..... Google can and will pre-learn all their stuff for you on their big Tensor Flow servers out in the cloud just to be convenient, but it is interesting that your new style smaller individual Play Store apps will be able to use your charger parked phone to learn something while you are asleep, then it is available as a fast execute item on your phone from then on. It is these fast executing "learned items" that execute so much more quickly that it makes your overall throughput 30 times faster than the old Wintel stuff could ever do. New times they are a coming ...... ;D CHANGE, she comes. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/25/17 at 20:50:45 Thanks Oldfeller, I'll tell her that and see if she wants one so badly that she's will to have obsolete soon, or wait for the next leap in technology. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/28/17 at 13:38:08 http://https://macdailynews.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/170828_de_blasio_tisch.jpg Two Morons and a Dinosaur: Mayor Bill de Blasio and Jessica Tisch, police deputy commissioner of information technology tout new Windows Phones. (Photo: Chad Rachman) http://macdailynews.com/2017/08/28/nyc-mayor-de-blasio-deputy-it-commissioner-blamed-for-saddling-nypd-with-36000-worthless-windows-phones-that-now-need-to-be-replaced-with-apple-iphones/ 36,000 fairly new Win 10 phones have been rendered as scrap by last week's Microsoft's decision not to support them. NYC Prosecutor's office is investigating some ugly rumors of bribery and malfeasance. :P ..... go Mickey, go ..... http://https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/ax032_7713_9.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=288 To pour rock salt on the open wounds, this obsoletion occurs only weeks after Microsoft had finished re-writing all the MS contract sourced custom software that NYPD had ordered to go along with the phones. MS has not yet fixed all the bugs in the contract software that they ordered and had delivered so NYPD could use a Win 8.1 phone using Win 10 software ..... :-/ Somebody needs to go to jail over this one ..... ======================================== https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/28/nypd_scraps_36000_windows_smartphones/ http://https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/08/28/new-york-trash.jpg?x=442&y=293&crop=1 Tsk, tsk, Tisch Well, according to department sources quoted by the New York Post, the procurement disaster was all down to Ms Tisch – who, it turns out, is the daughter of former Loews CEO and billionaire James S Tisch. "She drove the whole process," one unhappy cop told the paper, name-checking Jessica. "Nobody purchases 36,000 phones based on the judgment of one person," he complained. "I don't care if you're Jesus fricking Christ, you get a panel of experts." Which is a fair point, since we have no hesitation in saying that even an expert panel of one would have concluded that Windows phones were a turn in the wrong direction for a huge police department. According to other sources, the reason Tisch plumbed for the Lumia was because the NYPD was using Microsoft software on its video surveillance system – a system that Tisch has closely associated herself with and, back in 2012, demonstrated and boasted about to the press, raising eyebrows. You can see how an inexperienced IT manager might think that it made sense to go with Microsoft all the way. But then that is also why anyone who carries out IT procurement into an area they are not expert on gets a team of people to review all the possibilities before they spend huge sums of money. "She was in charge. It was her project, no question about that," another department source told the Post. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/28/17 at 14:35:49 So many people who need to read this forum.. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 08/29/17 at 18:55:52 http://www.investopedia.com/news/intel-edged-aside-rise-ai-cloud-computing/ Once again, the PC press all wear Shock Collars & a wire muzzle while reporting on any key topic you wish to discuss. Whether it is Microsoft or Intel that holds the push button on that dog shock collar at the moment is debateable, but it is well known that the dogs will only bark frantically if signaled. The Financial press does not wear a collar and it is here, in the finance world, that the hard things ARE discussed freely. Read this confirmation of several points I made recently about Intel losing large hunks of relevance and becoming a "not a all controlling major player" in the coming redo of personal computing. For example, Intel recently just bought up a failing AI company and suddenly that company's not really competitive AI chip has been re-stenciled as "Intel's great white hope in AI". The Financial World's reporting press isn't that slow or stupid, Intel. And brown vapor is not recognized as something to fawn over in Finance World. :P Nvidia and Google lead in AI, with AMD being more relevant than Intel or Microsoft at this stage of things. http://www.investopedia.com/news/intel-lose-next-tectonic-shift-jefferies/ If you are holding Intel, get out of it on the upticks and buy you some other stocks. Microsoft needs to finish rewriting Windows to work on the new generation of ARM processors coming out next year, or they too can become irrelevant. ======================================== https://www.semiaccurate.com/2017/08/29/amds-epyc-pummels-intels-new-xeon-w-workstation-cpus/ Intel sees strong market loss in workstation chipsets, one of their "sustaining market niches". AMD is now shipping Epyc and beating Intel up BADLY on even the most current release of the very most expensive multi-core Intel workstation chipsets. Intel is being pummeled by AMD’s Epyc and today’s Xeon-W launch shows their desperation. Worse yet for Intel, they can’t react on pricing without destroying their core Xeon market. As SemiAccurate has been saying for months, Intel is in a self-made bind. They have been squeezing locked-in customers harder and harder every generation because, well, the customers had no place to go. Note the past tense in the previous sentence, AMD’s Epyc launch made that lock-in a moot point last June. Today Intel launches the Xeon-W workstation parts and they don’t compare well to the competition. ======================================== This fall's generation of Chromebooks are coming out now, all of them are Playstore Ready and they are no more expensive than before. Furthermore, the 32 top items on last year's "will get Playstore this year" list just got their Playstore update pushed out just in time for the Germany Tech show. Remainder of the list (older items) are pending but are expected this year. Acer is headlining that German show with a 2.8-3.0 pound 15.6" touchscreen Chromebook with an all aluminum chassis. With Core i5 and Core i7 latest generation Intel chipsets. For $300-$400 dollars. And a Consumer Reports "Recommended" reliability rating, something that Win Surface machines at 2-3x the price DO NOT HAVE at this point in time. Bang for the bucks, this is a whole lot of machine, with good design and two LARGE speakers on either side of the full keyboard and HUGE trackpad. Because of the new rigid much stronger aluminum chassis this laptop is a pound lighter and slightly thinner as well. FAIR WARNING: This Acer unit has been around a while, so look for the correct model number, amount of memory, aluminum chassis, etc. etc. I have seen sell out pricing of $179 on some of the older less capable all plastic units ...... http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBz6jWH7s45DDwhlpblcXKZSGUSdeE2h_Eyqm2rPkyk1f-tl3wkQ |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/01/17 at 12:47:26 http://theweek.com/articles/721988/windows-doomed http://api.theweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/tw_image_9_4/public/article_microsoft_iStock-617393654.jpg?itok=q3vZI5B4&resize=1260x560 You've heard this before, but not from a weekly news magazine with a large published distribution. The gist is that Windows has become a single brown lumpy Baby Ruth shape floating in a sea of active moving fluid mobile ARM/Android. And even if Mickey eventually does gets it's stuff shrunk and ported over to use ARM correctly Mickey will still have the problem of NO PROGRAMMER BASE and a stinking rotting corpse of a Windows store. Plus, nobody trusts Mickey any more, as they have proven time and time again that they CANNOT be trusted. Mickey is its own worst enemy ..... Windows is beginning to flounder about now, doing this and that to no real effect. People see the new computing wave coming and they act like they are glad to see it come as they want it to go ahead and flush Windows on down the circular bowl swirl. EXAMPLE: out of 8 devices in my house Windows only runs one of them -- and that one item has the most problems of any of the rest (or all of them together, actually) strictly because of Mickey's wrong headed greedy tricks. ============================ https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-qualcomm-and-intel-the-windows-10-arm-dustup/ Here is the current state of Mickey on ARM processors. (discombobulated is about how I interpret it right now). Now that Intel will not permit the use of their proprietary x86 systems calls on ARM chipsets by using software emulation they have locked Wintel down to a very large degree by not allowing Microsoft to use x86 calls to be done on any other non-Intel processors at all, any, whatsoever. Now, Mickey needs to write them up a new, ARM based OS that does not use Intel style proprietary x86 systems calls at all, none what-so-ever. See Mickey snuggle on up to Linux, who has a full set of FOSS x86 calls that are fully developed and implemented already jest a sitting there jest a waiting ..... ::) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/01/17 at 13:04:11 Forbes has sent one of its younger writers off to use Chromebooks for a solid 30 days as a repeat article writing assignment. He used Chromebook 100% at work and at home during this time and this is what he found ..... https://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykarcz/2017/08/07/30-days-of-chrome-an-introduction/#3fa5656645ab https://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykarcz/2017/08/11/30-days-of-chrome-the-hardware/#5014c283795d https://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykarcz/2017/08/11/30-days-of-chrome-the-hardware/2/#4d07031e778b https://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykarcz/2017/09/01/i-used-a-google-chromebook-for-30-days-this-is-what-happened/#10c2881b3f19 https://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykarcz/2017/08/22/30-days-of-chrome-your-post-desktop-computing-future-is-almost-here/#1b3de515fcb8 |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/01/17 at 13:49:37 https://liliputing.com/2017/09/huawei-unveils-kirin-970-octa-core-chip-neural-processing-unit.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/kirin-970.jpg As usual, Huawei comes out early with a stock ARM implementation, prompting ARM to have to come out with full disclosures on what Huawei is producing and shipping. The Kirin 970 is exactly like the Kirin 960 from last year with three differences ..... lithography has shrunk from 16nm to 10nm, a doubling bump in baseband/radio specs and the new Mali G-72 graphics system is being used -- this is the very first of the DynamIQ compatible items to hit real production. The GPU has been bumped up from ARM Mali-G71 MP8 graphics to Mali-G72 MP12. And the LTE radio has been upgraded from one with Cat 12/13 support that tops out at 600 Mbps download speeds to a Cat 18 model that supports top download speeds of 1.2 Gbps. But it’s the Kirin 970's NPU (DynamIQ Neural Processing Unit) that’s really the defining feature of the new chipset. Huawei says it offers 25 times the performance of a CPU with 50 times better energy efficiency for tasks including real-time image and voice recognition and “intelligent photography.” With an almost identical rest of chip, the real advantages of the Neural Processor Unit that is part of the Mali G-72 graphics system is going to be readily apparent when comparing the Mate 9 and the Mate 10 once both the phones are both out in the wild. :o |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/17 at 14:54:16 Looking at a chromebook. Reason to not? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/01/17 at 15:43:41 From your perspective, there will be issues ..... printing comes to mind at once. You will find you may need some net help to get your old style printer set up with the internet printing as used by the Chromebook (you have to have a running windows machine to use your old printer as it uses the MS unit as a printer server). Your old printer was built only with Windows 7 in mind, and it lacks THE NEW DRIVERS and MS isn't going to help you out one tiny iota as you go over to a Chromebook. You may never get the old printer to work right is what I am saying. (many opt to get a new printer, one that was built with Chromebooks in mind rather than screw around messing with the old printer you already have) Once printing is handled, then you have to deal with using new apps for everything that you use a separate app for. And there will be learning pains to go through during that process. Be careful when picking the Chromebook, you want one that is Play Store Ready and one that supports Chromebook USB to printer printing (the new ones do this and it is the simplest to set up printing). Be sure you have the right kind of USB ports as there are 3 generations of USB out there to foul you up if you aren't watching out for this USB thing good. Only buy a machine with lots of USB ports. Windows type USB hubs need not apply for use on a Chromebook ..... won't work. You may see "WIFI printing" which is good but be careful to make sure the Chromebook is compatible to the exact printer. You got Apple WIFI printing, and Windows Surface WIFI printing, and two generations of Chromebook WIFI printing out there to cause some confusion. Once again, let your wife and daughter drive, as you will be held liable for anything that doesn't work the way they think it should work. I would join a Chromebook forum for the exact machine you are thinking about buying and ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS on the forum and wait until you are happy with the info provided that you understand it before plunking down any $$$. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/17 at 16:03:01 Once again, let your wife and daughter drive, as you will be held liable for anything that doesn't work the way they think it should work. That's a given, dude! And shopping, knowing some of the pitfalls, deciding, then joining a forum and seeing if that choice is a landmine in your pocket, that's just smart regardless of the genre of stuff being considered. I see people Buy the bike, haul it to a shop, THEN they come in here, all too often. Good advice and thanks for the heads up on ports. We ditched the printer a few years ago. The cartridges kept drying up and screwing up the nozzles. We don't need a printer often enough to justify it. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/01/17 at 16:04:29 Why does your wife need a keyboard? What is she doing that drives her to ask for one? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/17 at 16:30:39 Her Ken doll took a dump. She wants something bigger. I don't have a better answer. I'm not even sure I understand the question. What are the options? Keyboard, or no keyboard? What's the best/biggest Nonkeyboard critter out there? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/01/17 at 18:45:13 What size of Fire tablet or Kindle did she have? They come 7", 8", 9", 10", 13" if you list all the makes and types available. I am pretty sure a Kindle user won't like a laptop for very much, unless it is a very small and light unit. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 09/01/17 at 18:51:50 https://www.woot.com/plus/dell-latitude-tablets-accessories-1?utm_source=Daily+Digest&utm_campaign=Daily+Digest+01+09+17&utm_medium=email |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/17 at 21:48:39 We're talking,,thanks guys. Dell, hmmm....up to her! |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/17 at 00:39:53 Justin, how much money did you want to spend? Does she sit at a table or does she sit on the couch with the tablet in her lap? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/17 at 03:06:48 <Ding!!!> That's the bell that starts Round 3 of Win 10 on ARM DEATHFIGHT It is a really odd full contact kick boxing match with opponents sitting in 3 corners, with all three coming out of their corners then making up a pair at times and pounding on the third, but not always the same ones pair up, it changes during each round several times. When we reached out to Qualcomm for comment, a Qualcomm spokesperson responded with the following: “Given our recent announcement with ASUS, HP and Lenovo, we found the blog that one of our competitors published on June 8 very interesting. We look forward to the launch of the always connected Windows 10 PC powered by the Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 Mobile PC Platform later this year. As showcased at Computex 2017 in conjunction with Microsoft, the Snapdragon 835 Mobile PC Platform brings a true always connected PC experience with support for up to Gigabit LTE connectivity and all-day battery life for sleek, thin and fanless designs. This will change the future of personal computing.” In similar fashion, a Microsoft spokesperson offered a statement in addition to the link to the video above: “There are users who need to be connected to the cloud at all times, leveraging the latest network technology like gigabit LTE and eSIM. Microsoft is collaborating with its ecosystem on a shared vision that starts with a close partnership at the silicon layer, with Intel and Qualcomm, and with its mobile operator partners to provide seamless eSim connectivity. Microsoft device partners including ASUS, HP, Huawei, Lenovo, VAIO, and Xiaomi, are committed to this new category of Always Connected PCs using eSim technology. In addition, Always Connected devices will be coming from ASUS, HP, and Lenovo, on the Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chipset. These new devices will feature Windows 10, with always-on LTE connectivity and great battery life.” Intel’s response was as guarded as its blog entry. From an Intel spokesperson: “Intel respects intellectual property rights and we expect others to do the same. x86 technology is both proprietary and central to our business, and we’re concerned any time it appears that others may be copying it inappropriately. We will thoroughly evaluate any products that claim to emulate x86 technology, and vigorously enforce our intellectual property rights if we believe they are infringed.” Analysis & Conclusion This is a very fine dance these three appear to be performing. And at the same time, given that rumors were floating as early as November last year – weeks before announced at WinHEC – it seems odd that Intel was not aware of this prior to Computex, whether they would admit it publicly or not. At the same time, history (such as with the Transmeta Crusoe and WoW64) shows that there’s not much from a legal perspective to challenge it. But the moment that anyone drops the words “x86 emulation,” such as what Microsoft and Qualcomm had been doing up until Computex, it’s only a matter of time before enough concerned voices and shareholders demand Intel respond to it. Will it change the project that Microsoft and Qualcomm are working on? I reached out to Anshel Sag, Associate Analyst at Moor Insights & Strategy for his thoughts on this. (Contributor note: Mr. Sag, as an industry analyst, was also very instrumental in reaching the right persons for timely responses by Intel, Microsoft and Qualcomm.) His response: “Judging by the response I have seen from Qualcomm, it doesn’t seem that they are in the slightest worried about the comments from Intel. Microsoft, naturally, hasn’t said anything because of their close relationship with Intel which I believe this is straining somewhat. I believe competition is always good for the market and I believe that Microsoft believes this as well.” A successful launch of Windows 10 ARM poses a risk to Intel at a time where it is facing increased competition elsewhere in its business segments. As we have covered also from Computex AMD is about to ramp up and launch its Epyc server processors based on the Zen architecture. Its consumer lineup, Ryzen, is also going to continue the competition by expanding into both the high end enthusiast desktop and mobile segments. ARM64 competition, such as Qualcomm, would certainly challenge its embedded, Atom and Core M segments. At the same time that they highlighted the “Always Connected” devices we saw Microsoft highlight its efforts to further Mixed Reality and Augmented Reality devices, such as their own HoloLens. I’m not convinced that either Microsoft nor the ARM semiconductor manufacturers, such as Microsoft, are going to stop here. NVIDIA, for example, is sitting fairly well now on its Tegra portfolio between the self-driving car initiative and deal with Nintendo powering the Switch. Though an inquiry to NVIDIA didn’t suggest anything is on the horizon, I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see NVIDIA consider a re-entry either. It easily could offer a Tegra X1 or X2 based device – and it certainly can offer graphics power to drive a head mounted display. Asking Mr. Sag on this topic as well suggests we’re not alone: “I absolutely believe that this could extend beyond “Always Connected” PCs that were announced at Computex. We’ve already seen Microsoft’s smartphones with Windows 10 embrace ARM, which I believe was the groundwork for this development in PCs. I also believe that as the applications and ecosystem grow we could see AR/MR/VR headsets with ARM processors run Windows, which I believe is part of Microsoft’s long-term strategy to dominate the AR/MR/VR market. I do not believe that Hololens is going to be the only standalone headset for Windows Mixed Reality and I believe that we will see headsets with ARM inside.” I’ve said it time and time again though – 2017 is quickly becoming the year of increased competition in the PC market. And given that there has been so little of it in many of these segments, it’s unfortunate that Intel will bear the brunt of this due to their past successes. But what is Intel’s lost will most certainly be the gain of others, most importantly the consumer. And that’s always a good thing. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/02/17 at 07:55:23 7A5951535059595047350 wrote:
We talked about size. I believe it does matter here, too. She has a favorite chair, recliner..and she doesn't want to be sitting at the table. And they can Call it a laptop, but I've seen Portable radios that almost required a furniture dolly to move. I'm hinting at the bigger kindle. I don't want to go over Three hundred, as long as she's Happy and it lasts and doesn't need an IT hotshot to keep it working. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/17 at 12:25:36 Did she object to the Amazon software on the Fire/Kindle? HAVE YOU EVER RUN OUT OF MEMORY ON YOUR FIRE/KINDLES IN THE PAST? (denotes you need more than 16 gig of storeage) Amazon makes larger devices and I'm on the lookout for larger tablets as that seems to be where you are headed. Amazon stuff goes on half price sale periodically ...... regularly ...... and you got Thanksgiving Black Friday and all the pre-sales coming on strong. They also show used/returned on Amazon prime for a third off all the time. For example, here is a used 9" HD "previous generation" unit for $104 (not from Amazon -- approved 3rd party) https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B008GFRE5A/ref=sr_1_15_olp?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1504384779&sr=1-15&keywords=large+fire+tablet&condition=used Click on the 32 gig button and see similar items with more memory for $124 ASK QUESTIONS !!!!! Got to watch what is being sold used even on Amazon as some older stuff has no support time left on it which is why it is getting sold off by some devious sneaky pete. Rule of thumb, buy no more than one generation back from Amazon (or from an approved vendor) directly as they will honor guarantees and they will take it back if you complain within a week after getting it if it isn't up to snuff or it wasn't described correctly. If an approved vendor screws up, Amazon gives you your money back and for all they care you can keep the trash (or the vendor can arrange to get it back himself). |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/17 at 14:01:56 WINNER WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER !!!! $111 FOR 32 GIGS OF MEMORY 8.9" SCREEN WITH DOLBY AUDIO https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B007W63WEQ/ref=olp_twister_child?ie=UTF8&mv_configuration=1&mv_connectivity_technology=0&mv_digital_storage_capacity=1&qid=1504384779&sr=1-15 WARNING: this one has some screen scratches on it, which means if you communicate with the seller he will likely discount it further to entice you into buying it. Read internet reviews on this item and decide if it is something that is worth $111 to you. It is two generations back but it will likely tide you over until all the new stuff is completely real and out there on the market. Black Friday is coming ...... new new stuff, full warranty, similar prices |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/17 at 14:42:05 Today, Sept 2 TIPPING POINT IS REACHED Germany reports PCs containing Ryzen chipsets are outselling Intel in all three of the major retail sales channels. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/numbers-dont-lie-amd-outselling-150058169.html Amazon reports the same thing. ::) In the ever shrinking PC marketplace, gaming is #1 (some say big business machines are bigger in the USA but they only get replaced every 4-6 years now) And in Gaming, Intel is now #2 --- AMD Ryzen produced at 10nm is #1 in gaming now. EXPECT TO SEE INTEL TAKE ACTION, BIG BIG ACTION, REAL FAST OVER THIS Intel cannot hang around at 14nm for even a second longer or they will lose more ground that they cannot recover ..... ever. Look to see some arranged nuisance lawsuits from 3rd party persons attacking Intel's competitors to force them to turn their attention away from wiping the court with poor 'ol crippled Intel. Intel needs more time and there simply isn't any more for them to have .... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/02/17 at 17:31:54 Carol read it all and read reviews on the 8.9" . That's probably gonna be a winner. No telling what this thread saved me. Tons of hassle,dodged. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Papa Bear on 09/02/17 at 18:20:18 https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=9&qpcustomb=0&qpsp=200&qpnp=25&qptimeframe=M Truth is "These are desktop numbers being enumerated... Count Android, servers and embedded systems and it'd appear the whole world runs atop the Linux kernel." |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/17 at 19:04:29 Windows on ARM is going to run off of Linux and BSD if you believe what is being pushed out at the moment --- Intel refuses to let "their proprietary x86 systems calls" to be used in any form of emulation for any other type of processors. So Windows 10 ARM will have to use the x386 on Linux & BSD systems calls, which belong to FOSS and are protected by an army of angry Gnomes who really really want Mickey to go screw up some so Win 10 ARM can suddenly wind up as a free FOSS program. ::) ..... and the finance world people think this would be a good thing to have happen, to get MS out of the OS business as it is a drain on what they see as the real businesses, you know, the internet support ones that makes us finance guys lots & lots of money ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/03/17 at 13:11:34 7B646265787F4E7E4E76646823110 wrote:
Things to expect: It is Amazon. Old Amazon does not get updated like other OS systems, so things it doesn't do it won't ever do. If you go that way make sure you have RETURN RIGHTS in case it won't do something you need. Then use the crap out of it immediately for everything you normally do to discover what's what real quick-like so you can return it if it isn't right. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/03/17 at 13:28:20 When you have to have old style Windows ...... When dealing with old style hardware. I just had to download a "windows only"Seagate ICare.exe to recover the format on a 1 terabyte Backup drive from Seagate, an item that was only used on a Simple.tv system to store OTA TV shows after they were recorded. Simple.tv has died as a company, but the attached hardware was all standard bits and pieces that I will recover for future use (apart from the little Simple.tv box itself, which is now become a plastic paperweight). Each household should have one Windows machine tucked off in a corner, for just such occasions. ========================================= This is funny to me anyway. Using the Last Windows 10 machine in the house, I let Seagate's super special recovery utility grind away at my little USB backup drive for 2 hours and it only found six miscellaneous files that were all empty. It said the 1 terabyte drive was trashed and could not be recovered. It could not be low level formatted. It was DEAD, throw it away. My Linux distro Wouldn't/Couldn't mount it or read it either. Drive simply wasn't there and it would not mount. So, being forced backwards into witchcraft, I took out my ancient bootable Linux G-PARTED recovery disk and slapped it in the read/write DVD drive on my Linux box and spun it up. The old barely graphical interface showed a drive where the usb drive should be, and it was the correct size. BUT there was something strange here. The modern year or so old 1 terabyte NTFS Seagate Backup Plus had been reformatted by Simple.TV into ...... roll drums please ...... MSDOS format. And MS couldn't recognise it at all, although it was in their very own original native format. I laughed out loud at this complete utter absurdity. It took G-Parted 10 seconds to format the entire drive over to NTFS. After which none of my equipment had an issue moving files to it or from it. ;D |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/03/17 at 17:48:59 CLICK ON THIS AND WATCH IT https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2017/P4171 This is the MS Win 10 on ARM group making a presentation to the world. READ THE COMMENTS BELOW as a host of readers respond "Bullshite, not this again -- you will never really carry through with it and it WILL NOT WORK the way you say it will, it never does -- this is our 5th time around this particular outhouse and you have lied to us all 4 times previously." Next, why is it a nameless guy from India instead of one of the top main MicroDogs presenting this very important new technology? (deniability) Is this only for India, where there is both a good demand and a patent/legal environment where they can tell Intel where to go stick their "you can't use our proprietary x386 systems calls" nonsense? Mebbe, who knows? Point being, ARM chipsets the size of your thumbnail are VERY MUCH capable of running a PC experience. :o And next year this ability gets a 30x throughput boost from DynamIQ ..... MS IS going there, ASAP. They have to. Intel may cause MS some short term friction drag, but they will not stop this from happening. This Fall, Eve ships from Google, Android Oreo is already out there, Chrome OS has already become completely mobile ready (100% naturally) and all Intel is going to accomplish by being a dog in the x86 manger is to screw MS up with MS having to do a VERY NECESSARY tectonic shift over to a new platform --- like MS has to go do it right now, fast. All Intel is actually doing is reaping what they sowed with them taking a protracted vacation from progress these last past 4+ years ...... with Intel's QUITTING and leaving Consumer Electronics for over a year and then failing at Internet of Things and failing at Automotive and failing at AI ..... and now having to come back to Consumer Electronics because they got nowhere else to go. :P IT IS ALREADY WRITTEN UP ON THE WALL Intel IS going to take the beeg one up the shorts, and that massive sharp tushie pain is coming no matter what they try to do to try to screw MS up over this upcoming platform shift. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/04/17 at 06:45:30 http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2017/08/intels_cfo_i_think_we_have_too.html Intel's CFO: 'We hate layoffs,' but 'we're trying to deal with reality here' August 24, 2017 at 9:45 AM Intel's chief financial officer spoke openly about bloated staffing levels earlier this month, questioning the need for so many "layers of people" at meetings and signaling his intent to bring those numbers down. "Honestly, I think we have too many people," Bob Swan told members of Intel's finance group during a large staff meeting at the company's Ronler Acres campus in Hillsboro, according to a recording obtained by The Oregonian/OregonLive. A source with direct knowledge of the company's plans said Swan was not merely thinking out loud: A significant percentage of jobs could disappear, likely numbering in the hundreds altogether. No decisions have been made, insiders say. Private discussions within the company have included conversations about whether to eliminate finance jobs now, or to do it more gradually and rely on normal attrition to reduce the number of layoffs. The cuts would be far far fewer than the 15,000 jobs Intel eliminated across the company in 2016 as it began to reposition itself in preparation for a long-term decline in its core PC market. It currently employs just over 100,000 worldwide, including 19,300 in Oregon, more than any other business in the state. Intel declined to elaborate on Swan's comments. The company has pledged massive spending reductions over the next three years to boost profits at a time of slowly growing sales. Though Swan works at the corporate headquarters in Santa Clara, a high proportion of his staff works at Intel's four main campuses in Washington County. The company has a large administrative presence in Oregon. In his remarks, Swan indicated those spending reductions are core to the company's long-term goals. He acknowledged, though, that job cuts and upheaval within the business are weighing on employee morale - especially in the middle of last year, when Intel began the largest round of job cuts in its history. "We're trying to be great. It's hard work. It's messy. We get it," Swan said. "We understand that you're frustrated. You've given us feedback. We're trying to act on it. And we're getting a little bit better, but it's not enough. We'll continue to work at it." |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/17 at 07:06:22 5C7F7775767F7F7661130 wrote:
Things to expect: It is Amazon. Old Amazon does not get updated like other OS systems, so things it doesn't do it won't ever do. If you go that way make sure you have RETURN RIGHTS in case it won't do something you need. Then use the crap out of it immediately for everything you normally do to discover what's what real quick-like so you can return it if it isn't right.[/quote] I've gotta get her to read this,too. Thanks for the advice. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/04/17 at 17:59:48 http://www.androidauthority.com/intel-rattled-windows-emulation-snapdragon-835-779490/ Is Intel rattled about Windows "compatibility layer" for the Snapdragon 835? yep With a number of big name manufacturers already queueing up to launch Snapdragon-powered systems, the laptop market could be in for a major shakeup. The emulation issue only rears its head when running current and older x86 applications. Based on what we’re seeing so far, Microsoft’s work is starting to look more like a compatibility layer than out an all-out emulation, with native ARM code stepping in for existing Microsoft DLLs and OS functions. Read the whole thing and realize that MS is stepping very carefully around Intel's proprietary x86 systems calls by using other longer existing calls from Linux and Unix (Linux FOSS source calls and Apple's BSD based source calls from the now totally FOSS Mac OS) along with a smattering of FOSS stuff from Linux Wine and the Reactos Project. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/05/17 at 01:41:11 As Intel, MS and Qualcomm struggle in contest over laptops based on last year's best Snapdragon 835 phone chip, Huawei has just announced the first DynamIQ equipped chips using the Kirin 970 with a Mali G72 with its built in AI Neural Processor. (and with an added AI neural processor block as well as it turns out) And the world moved over that way 100 yards as the shifting of the tectonic plates happened. Mind you, they mated up the Mali G72 with the exact same year before last bone stock big and little cores (now run at 10nm), bumped up the radio baseband specs up double to let the chip breathe and gave it enough systems memory to let it breathe. It isn't the best it can be, but it still turned in 25 TIMES improvements in throughput on video image recognition, the very hardest thing you can do on a smart phone. And it goes on sale next month. And folks, that 30-50x times better processing speed that was promised? Well, it ranges from 25x to 30x right now depending on what you are running on the Mate 10 phone. AI execution of learned items is SIMPLY AMAZING, there just ISN'T any comparison to old technologies because the AI is done before the old stuff gets started. But you got to have an AI based app to get to use all this new speed ....... This applies right now to movies, pictures, games and display of web pages, etc. What used to have to be sent up the web to a server farm, calculated and then sent back to you is now handled on your phone at speeds that your Mark 1 eyeball simply can't follow very well. Every software out there will have to be optimized to take advantage of this HUGE HUGE improvement in computer processing power. It is worth it and it means that all old legacy apps will all fade away very shortly. Intel was never into Graphics, which means they sorta missed out on this boat completely. AMD however gets it, and AMD will inherit the laptop/desktop space pretty quickly accordingly, with the old phone SOC builders being their main competition going forward. Google gets it completely, and will be the first full infrastructure to convert over to AI based everything. Chromebooks may become hard to compete against in laptop space. MS is still struggling hard to accommodate ARM chipsets of the previous generation sort, and MS will have to struggle again to accommodate this latest wave of AI change. Intel jest upped and died yesterday, but Intel hasn't bothered to read their email yet so they are oblivious to everything that is going on yet again. ;) Change, she comes ....... ========================================= Better info is coming out of Kirin 970's origins and design. It REALLY IS last year's chip run at 10nm, with the 10nm radio/baseband such is available now, using the new Mali G-72 GPU unit swinging a second neural processing "add in" chunk that gives more AI speed than just the plain G-72 could give. Huawei did a very selective "bang for the bucks" VERY QUICKLY DONE upgrade that has kicked them all the way to the front of the pack and raised the bar for all that follow them. Qualcomm has dropped plans for its Snapdragon 836 minor upgrade, since it gets no advantage over the Kirin 970 in any area. This also includes the new interim bump chip from Samsung, it too has also dropped off the map. ARM itself is paying attention, since it is now obvious that they really needed a larger AI block built into the Mali G-72 from the very beginning. Huawei's use of the "adder block" of AI process shaders has yielded a clearly superior chipset and that has not gone un-noticed. It is enough of a boost that an older chip design kicks all the arguably more modern better chipsets butts right now. Huawei put some minor $$ on the x50 faster side of last year's chipset and got a whole lot of mileage out of it -- look to see others do likewise, at once. ARM has just put out a site chock full of FOSS things to use while updating old apps to use AI learned execution. Google has done likewise. Also see basic Apps start to get rewritten by the app's owners for AI learned fast execution as it is the wave of the future. Those that make this mental jump quickly will succeed, those that fail to do so quickly will die off naturally. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/06/17 at 17:37:55 MS is struggling to rewrite Windows 10 to use ARM chipsets and to wean themselves away from Intel. MS will support the AI revolution at the same time, as they got no choice about it. Once this happens and the dust settles, a whole new generation of lower cost more powerful equipment will take place. Google is prepping what will be the initial EVE generation of Chromebooks, the first that are completely totally integrated with your Android phone use tricks and DynamIQ processors. Google understands that Windows is still going to be more user time consuming and is slower compared to what Google has out there now --- and Google will roll in the DyamIQ based AI wave at a deliberate pace to make sure that large performance difference always stays out in front of the purchasing public for the next several years. Intel is frantically searching for a sufficiently powerful small X86 chipset to stay in the game at all, but frankly that effort does not look good at the moment as Huawei has just dropped the first of the AI chipsets and Intel is now MILES away from being performance competitive at all to that first shot out of the DynamIQ gun. [smiley=cry.gif] Intel just ran out of time ...... [smiley=cry.gif] Now is the year of violent shifts and large changes in the computing landscape. NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO BE BUYING BRAND NEW STUFF AT FULL PRICE, now is the time to carefully learn what's what and let the dust settle out some before buying again. Trust that this rapid innovation makes for warehouses full of new units that will become "functional seconds" regularly now -- there will be lots of WOOT deals popping up out there for you to scoop up cheap. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/06/17 at 18:43:43 Qualcomm has lost their appeal in the South Korean "excess license fees" case. Qualcomm will have to calculate their license off of the cost of their components, not the cost of the entire phone from this point forward. Look to see Apple and Samsung sue Qualcomm for the huge amount of excess fees collected in years past as part of their court mandated "renegotiations". This will tee off a wave of similar results in Qualcomm's appeals and settlements in a plethora of other countries. Mobile SOCs just got cheaper ..... ::) Within an hour Qualcomm stock price dropped a very fast 16% in late trading with more to come during the normal day tomorrow. ======================================= Qualcomm took another dip, then rebounded most of the way back on news that Qualcomm's top of the line chipset for next year, Snapdragon 840 will come out early sporting an AI block and the full range of DynamIQ features as being pushed by ARM. The interim bump chip, the Snapdragon 836 has been cancelled as of this point in time. Qualcomm's big acquisition of NXP is now in question with stock pickers saying at this point with Qualcomm losing a chunk of their licensing income flow the cost of the NXP purchase would drive Qualcomm under water for several years and would make Qualcomm a "no buy" recommendation during that several year period. Here is Qualcomm stock posture, over the last six months. http://https://media.ycharts.com/charts/84dd9a0cd77496e7a1e8718c46fd0887.png |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/07/17 at 01:23:14 http://https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims?quality=100&image_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fo.aolcdn.com%2Fhss%2Fstorage%2Fmidas%2F3bd04d5eb449daa0dc9eacdacc89575f%2F205496034%2FQuad_laptop_web.jpg&client=cbc79c14efcebee57402&signature=294aa452792d0020811d3dadc5983e1cbd71335 :-? ::) Meet the little startup that Intel just bought so they can say they understand AI. :-? ::) Well, it can transfer or "carry over" some machine learned "AI Vision" executions, so that is an improvement of sorts, but not enough improvement to make Intel x86 chips stay relevant for very long. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VioTPaYcF98 And here is a more complete picture of Movidius main use as a "AI vision program transfer stick" or a jump drive for AI vision programs, carrying the new learned item between laptop and your various toys, little hover drones and other gimmicks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xud1T9DaFY Actually, x86 main PC functions has nothing much to do with what Movidius is doing right now in AI vision with it running through a USB cable like that. Nor vice versa. It is a "try me" gimmick, to let programmers try it out some on some AI vision programming toys before buying big new equipment to do it right. Like the Optane memory, the reality does not live up to the huge early on hype Intel puts out on it. It would take the old Wintel working together diligently to make that Movidius vision related stuff work on PC ....... it would have to move to the silicon heart of the CPU/GPU set up and be integral to the OS and have all the apps rewritten to utilize it properly. And this has yet to start in Wintel world. ..... and currently Tel is busy pointing racked and ready legal shotguns at Win's face, Win who is busy making plans to run off with Qualcomm and the ARM boys in the very near future. :-/ ::) ...... BTW, do you think those little blue heat sheild things with the huge air vent slots in them might mean Movidius gets a wee bit HOT when it runs by any chance? ======================================== Intel discontinues WiGig hardware http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/wigig.jpg Remember this ???? Intel swore up and down it was going to replace all cables and actually peddled it to some machine builders who paid big bucks to include it in their machines, but it never got any presence in the "other equipment" side of the equation, so it never got used anywhere except in this particular picture. Intel has been pushing the idea of wireless homes and offices for years. Bring your laptop into your workspace and it’ll automatically connect to your display, printer, mouse, and other hardware without the need to plug anything in. And wireless charging means you don’t even need to plug in a power cable. But now it looks like Intel is giving up at least part of that vision. The company is discontinuing its WiGig (Wireless Gigabit) products for laptops and other mobile devices. As spotted by AnandTech, Intel is phasing out its existing WiGig products and telling hardware partners to place any final orders by September 29th. The last shipments will go out by December 29th, 2017. What this really means is that the current BlueTooth 5.1 tech has this tech beat all hollow as BT 5.0 and up all has 100+ foot range and IT GOES THROUGH WALLS, it has real devices all over the place using BlueTooth tech and it costs next to nothing to use the proven BlueTooth 5.1 tech compared to this overly expensive Intel WiGig which cannot go through a single layer of drywall. Once again, Intel tech loses out to a nobody group pushing a simpler, always improving FOSS based technology. This ever improving cheap to free competition is why ALL of Intel's much hooted "Technical Innovations" die out within 3-5 years time and the high cost of using Intel tech explains why it never goes anywhere during the short time while it is current. :P Intel has a history of big big claims and no real performance, a history which is repeating itself all the time lately. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/10/17 at 07:59:51 https://liliputing.com/2017/09/amazon-fire-tablets-sale-35-today-prime-exclusive.html Here’s a roundup of Amazon’s Fire tablet deals: Amazon Fire 7 for $35 and up Amazon Fire HD 8 for $55 and up Amazon Fire 7 Kids Edition 2-pack for $150 Amazon Fire HD 8 Kids Edition 2-pack for $210 These prices are good through September 16th. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/fire-hd-8.jpg Justin, got to use this link and use the discount code. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01J94SWWU/ref=as_li_ss_tl?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-3&pf_rd_r=DFXKEFX6JGGXGQT5JCQA&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=39ab406f-70a5-4ee0-a3b6-6def06fd82ca&pf_rd_i=6669703011&linkCode=sl1&tag=bradlindsdigi-20&linkId=bf3598cec7af84d74cc61ff3c89d6477 |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/11/17 at 07:50:03 http://www.zdnet.com/article/crossbar-aims-to-bury-intels-3d-xpoint-with-superior-technology/ Crossbar aims to bury Intel's 3D XPoint with superior technology http://zdnet2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2017/09/11/bc022b1d-9a7a-4c73-9a76-f8fb0776f6c8/a24d8f8f6c66dca02625044e5b502f22/crossbarcmoschip.jpg INTEL GROWS A MORE CAPABLE COMPETITION Enter Crossbar. Founded in 2010, Crossbar has designed a filimentary ReRAM with excellent performance, scalability, and manufacturability. Crossbar says writes are 1,000x faster than NAND flash, at 1/20th the power consumption, and with over 1,000x the endurance of flash. Not quite as fast or durable as DRAM, but surprisingly close - and much more power effficient than flash or DRAM - perfect for mobile devices and IoT. And it performs well over a wide temperature range, from -40C to 125C. Manufacturability is critical to achieving volume, and here Crossbar has an excellent story as well. They can use a standard CMOS fab, adding a couple of steps at the tail end of the process, using existing tools and processes, and they have an easy 3D stacking design to achieve high density. But 3D isn't their only path to density. They've also demonstrated that their design can shrink to feature sizes of less than 8nm, while also increasing the ratio between ON states and OFF states. They could produce 1TB chips in a few years, given smaller feature sizes and enough layers. NAND flash, on the other hand, had to go the 3D route because as features sizes shrink, endurance and stability decrease. Stacking flash cells is the only way that vendors could increase density. 3D XPoint's clumsy start has been a blessing to NVRAM companies like Crossbar and Nantero. The slippage in schedule and specs has given them breathing room, while the software folks - Microsoft in particular - responded with an urgency that no startup could command. With Intel 3D XPoint partner Micron strangely silent on their plans, there may be more potholes on the 3D XPoint roadmap than we've heard about. But the good news for us consumers of fine storage technology is that it looks like we'll have more choices for NVRAM than expected. OK, it's got an industry standard to back it now and a real name, NVRAM. It can run on existing NORMAL planar style production process machines and it can support lithography at less than 10nm right now. (bit mining card graphical SOCs and their support memory are being run off at 7nm as we speak) Micron isn't fighting this new stuff to any large degree (and is likely to swing over to it as the costs are superior to Intel's super expensive 3-D X-Point mess). In addition, Samsung is making their current N-RAM products better and cheaper to the point you can use it for an entire machine's OS and data drive. This isn't the final answer by any means, but it is a good interim step to where memory needs to go inside the next 2 years. Intel's INTENTIONALLY locking down their new main CPU processors and the motherboards that mount them in an attempt to FORCE people to use slower and more expensive Intel 3-D X-Point daughter board memory is pure suicide for Intel -- don't buy one of these machines as you are paying big big bucks for Intel's latest round of stubborn bad decisions. -------------------------------------------------------------- Shout from Sept 17th -- Micron has joined OpenCAPI and as such has signalled that the future of fast durable memory does not lie with Intel's Optane 3-D Xpoint memory at all ...... So you would be stupid to buy you an Intel processor that RESTRICTS you to only use Optane memory. :P |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/11/17 at 08:08:24 She's all fixed up, and I didn't have anything to do with how she solved the problem. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/11/17 at 08:21:45 As long as it was her choice all the way she will tend to stay happy with it. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/11/17 at 08:32:29 She's very pleased with it. The display is sharper and a bit bigger but it's comfortable in the lap. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/11/17 at 17:06:56 https://www.economist.com/news/business/21717430-success-nvidia-and-its-new-computing-chip-signals-rapid-change-it-architecture http://https://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/640-width/images/print-edition/20170225_WBD001_0.jpg Time for Intel to be paranoid Instead of making ASICS or FPGAs, Intel focused in recent years on making its CPU processors ever more powerful. Nobody expects conventional processors to lose their jobs anytime soon: every server needs them and countless applications have been written to run on them. Intel’s sales from the chips are still growing. Yet the quickening rise of accelerators appears to be bad news for the company, says Alan Priestley of Gartner, an IT consultancy. The more computing happens on them, the less is done on CPUs. One answer is to catch up by making acquisitions. In 2015 Intel bought Altera, a maker of FPGAs, for a whopping $16.7bn. In August it paid more than $400m for Nervana, a three-year-old startup that is developing specialised AI systems ranging from software to chips. The firm says it sees specialised processors as an opportunity, not a threat. New computing workloads have often started out being handled on specialised processors, explains Diane Bryant, who runs Intel’s data-centre business, only to be “pulled into the CPU” later. Encryption, for instance, used to happen on separate semiconductors, but is now a simple instruction on the Intel CPUs which run almost all computers and servers globally. Keeping new types of workload, such as AI, on accelerators would mean extra cost and complexity. http://https://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/640-width/images/print-edition/20170225_WBC028.png As AMD has done already (and is doing more and more) Intel needs to blend AI graphics type processing into the same die as the main CPU, sharing a pool of fast memory at the die level. Trouble is, Intel still believes in SEPARATE chips for separate jobs and lots & lots of daughter boards which is what killed Intel in mobile over the last 10 years. Intel still cannot shrink their lithography any more and Intel still can't seem to make a complex SOC chipset (because it simply doesn't believe in them). Intel has bought lots of little companies over the years and has then carelessly run them into the ground by NOT incorporating the tech inside their main CPU processor designs. ===================================================== https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/10/jefferies-downgrades-intel-to-underperform.html Intel has 'most to lose' from 'tectonic shift in computing,' Jefferies says in downgrading stock Jefferies downgraded Intel from hold to underperform on Monday, saying the chipmaker has the "most to lose" in the "4th tectonic shift in computing." Jefferies said it is downgrading Intel because "its Xeon/Xeon PHI platform is disadvantaged vs NVidia in emerging parallel workloads like deep neural networking." Jefferies calls out several areas of concern for Intel, including Microsoft's Windows new support for ARM processors and the rapid 200 percent growth of Nvdia's data-center business year over year. Nvidia has been one of the market's hottest stocks recently; SoftBank Group bought a $4 billion stake in Nvidia in May. Shares of Nvidia are up 28 percent this year. In a separate note on the semiconductor sector, Jefferies says it sees a major "tectonic shift" in the industry that will favor parallel computing platforms already used by AMD, Nvidia, Cavium and Xilinx. Earlier tectonic shifts noted by Jefferies included the mainframe era in the 1950s; the minicomputer era in the 1970s; the personal computer era in the 1980s and 1990s; the cellphone/server era in the 2000s and the parallel processing IoT era we're just now entering. "NVIDIA was the first to recognize and successfully invest in a HW/SW platform (GPU/CUDA) targeted specifically at parallel processing applications, and our field checks suggest it is years ahead of its competition," Jefferies said, referring to Nvidia's strategy to take advantage of computing power from graphics processing units versus standard processors. Jefferies reset its 2018 price target for Intel to $29 from $38. Shares of Intel were at $33.30 in Monday's premarket, down 1.7 percent. The Economist and CNBC both agree, Intel is busy losing it ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/11/17 at 22:55:55 http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1332267 TAIPEI — Xilinx, ARM, Cadence(ie IBM), and TSMC have announced a partnership to build a test chip in 7-nm FinFET process technology for delivery next year that promises to speed data center applications. The chip will be the first demonstration in silicon of Cache Coherent Interconnect for Accelerators (CCIX) enabling multi-core high-performance ARM CPUs working via a coherent fabric with off-chip FPGA accelerators, said the partners in a press statement. Accelerating applications in data centers is a growing requirement due to power and space constraints. Applications such as big data analytics, search, machine learning, wireless 4G/5G, and network processing benefit from acceleration engines that move data effectively among various system components. CCIX will allow components to access and process data irrespective of where it resides without the need for complex programming environments. CCIX will use existing server interconnect infrastructure and deliver higher bandwidth, lower latency, and cache coherent access to shared memory. This will result in a significant improvement in the effectiveness of accelerators as well as overall performance and efficiency of data center platforms, lowering the barrier to entry into existing server systems and improving the total cost of ownership of acceleration systems. The test chip, implemented on TSMC’s 7-nm process, will be based on the latest ARM DynamIQ technology, CMN-600 coherent on-chip bus, and foundation IP. “With the surge in artificial intelligence and big data, we’re seeing increasing demand for more heterogeneous compute across more applications,” said Noel Hurley, vice president and general manager of ARM's Infrastructure Group. “The test chip will not only demonstrate how the latest ARM technology with coherent multichip accelerators can scale across the data center but reinforces our commitment to solving the challenge of accessing data quickly and easily.” To validate the complete subsystem, Cadence provided key I/O and memory subsystems, which include the CCIX IP solution (controller and PHY), PCI Express 4.0/3.0 (PCIe-4/3) IP solution (controller and PHY), DDR4 PHY, peripheral IPs such as I2C, SPI and QSPI, as well as associated IP drivers. Cadence verification and implementation tools are being used to build the test chip. The test chip provides connectivity to Xilinx’s 16-nm Virtex UltraScale+ FPGAs over CCIX chip-to-chip coherent interconnect protocol. “Our Virtex UltraScale+ HBM family is built using TSMC’s third-generation CoWoS technology, which is now the industry standard assembly for HBM integration and cache-coherent acceleration with CCIX," said Victor Peng, chief operating officer at Xilinx. The test chip will tape out early in the first quarter of 2018, with silicon availability expected in the second half of 2018. “By building an ecosystem for high-performance computing with our collaboration partners, we will enable our customers to quickly deploy innovative new architectures at 7 nm and other advanced nodes for these growing data center applications,” said Babu Mandava, senior vice president and general manager of the IP Group at Cadence. “The CCIX industry standard will help drive the next generation of interconnect that provides the high-performance cache coherency that the market is demanding.” Artificial intelligence and deep learning will significantly impact industries including media, consumer electronics, and healthcare, according to Cliff Hou, TSMC vice president, Research & Development/Design and Technology Platform. “TSMC’s most advanced 7-nm FinFET process technology provides high-performance and low-power benefits that satisfy distinct product requirements for High-Performance Computing applications targeting these markets,” said Hou. ::) What the heck does that giberish mean? All the big boys are coming together to build off of the DynamIQ foundation a chipset standard that can talk to everybody's special AI functions and all their normal CPU and GPU functions. IT IS A GROUP DEVELOPED AI FOSS IMPLEMENTATION STANDARD that applies to everybody (but Intel) that will empower the tectonic AI shift that is beginning to rumble throughout computing. It is good to note the real owners of these various leading AI standards are the people agreeing to co-make the the chip that pulls all this stuff together. And to prove out this standard they are going to actually build the first batches of interconnection chip and make sure it works right on their products before turning on the big flow of first 7nm SOC products. (Think ARM certified known to work right SOC designs) I think it was Justin that said a while back just how much Supercomputer was showing up inside cell phones, well this is a supercomputer standard type thing that is going to allow us to connect MANY DIFFERENT computing outputs/inputs on mainframes, desktops and cell phones. It is good they get this all ironed out before the first big wave of DynamIQ chipsets start to roll off the TSMC 7nm process lines. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/12/17 at 01:55:25 Here is a plain English read on the 10 times faster FOSS based OpenCAPI interface wars which are at the heart of the AI roll out for everything next year ...... https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/14/opencapi_declaration_of_interconect_war/ http://https://regmedia.co.uk/2016/08/10/nuclear_war.jpg?x=442&y=293&crop=1 Why OpenCAPI is a declaration of interconnect fabric war Any standard but Intel in another CPU-memory interconnect consortium By Chris Mellor 14 Oct 2016 at 22:38 11 An OpenCAPI consortium has sprung into life, promising a new, open specification that can increase data center server performance up to 10x through the use of a new CPU-memory-IO adapter interconnect scheme – and it doesn't include Intel in its membership. The Open Coherent Accelerator Processor Interface represents, the consortium says, a data-centric approach, and "provides an open, high-speed pathway for different types of technology – advanced memory, accelerators, networking and storage – to more tightly integrate their functions within servers." It "puts the compute power closer to the data, removes inefficiencies in traditional system architectures to help eliminate system bottlenecks and can significantly improve server performance," according to the consortium. The design specification is "built to minimize the complexity of high-performance accelerator design. Capable of 25Gbits per second data rate, OpenCAPI outperforms the current PCIe specification, which offers a maximum data transfer rate of 16Gbits per second." The consortium's announcement release declares: "Many technology companies have developed innovative solutions that today's data center technology cannot effectively leverage due to limited legacy interfaces. New technologies such as storage class memory and accelerators to support emerging workloads do not fit well on existing interfaces and a closed, proprietary approach does not allow for full industry participation nor innovation." OpenCAPI was founded by AMD, Google, IBM, Mellanox Technologies, and Micron. Other members include Dell EMC, HPE, Nvidia and Xilinx. Several members have product/tech introductions coming: IBM plans to introduce Power9-based servers that leverage the OpenCAPI specification in the second half of 2017. IBM will enable members of OpenPOWER Foundation to introduce OpenCAPI-enabled products in the second half 2017. Google and Rackspace's new Zaius server under development, announced at the OpenPOWER Summit in San Jose, will leverage Power9 processor technology and plans to provide the OpenCAPI interface in its design. Mellanox plans to enable the new specification capabilities in its future products. Xilinx plans to support OpenCAPI-enabled FPGAs. So it's mostly a Power9-driven effort currently. The OpenCAPI consortium plans to make the OpenCAPI specification fully available to the public at no charge before the end of the year. Find out about this and membership details at opencapi.org. Oh, and the supplier of the vast majority of server CPUs, Intel, is not a member. It's welcome to join though, the consortium says. The background includes the point that Intel bought FGA supplier Altera for $16.7bn in December 2015, and has its own QPI (Quick Path Interconnect) technology, not to mention Silicon photonics. It seems to us that OpenCAPI overlaps with the Gen-Z Consortium open memory fabric initiative. Both address the memory/storage-class memory interconnect area. Gen-Z aims to provide a direct-attach, switched or fabric topology – a flexible, high-performance memory semantic fabric – to interconnect Compute (SoC memory), FPGA and GPU accelerators, pooled memory, and network/storage IO links. OpenCAPI is meant to allow any microprocessor to attach to coherent user-level accelerators and I/O devices, and advanced memories accessible via read/write or user-level DMA semantics. Then there is the CCIX (Cache Coherent Interconnect for Accelerators) group formed by AMD, ARM, Huawei, IBM, Mellanox, Qualcomm, and Xilinx (but not Nvidia or Intel) in May, to devise and make a cache coherent interconnect fabric linking multiple suppliers' CPUs, accelerators – FPGAs and GPUs – and network adapters so they can exchange data and share main memory. Why are there three such overlapping efforts? The simple answer is that none of the members of these consortia want to let Intel own the CPU-memory-accelerator-network interface technology and so grab an even higher percentage of customer spend on servers, plus favor its own CPU and FPGA efforts. They each and all think that the PCI interface is too slow and a higher-speed, lower-latency interconnect scheme is needed to let faster processors talk to faster accelerators, DRAM and the various storage-class memories emerging (think XPoint-type stuff), and RDMA-accessed external arrays. Gen-Z consortium members are AMD, ARM, Broadcom, Cavium Inc, Cray, Dell EMC, HPE, Huawei, IBM, IDT, Lenovo, Mellanox, Micron, Microsemi, Red Hat, Samsung, Seagate, SK Hynix, Western Digital Corporation and Xilinx. Google and Nvidia are the only OpenCAPI members not in the Gen-Z consortium. Current Support for OpenCAPI OpenCAPI declares: "Backed by a total of more than 30 leading technology companies, the three organizations now welcome each other's announcements as part of a collaborative industry effort to create an open data center architecture for the future." As an example of vendor support, here's Tom Eby, VP and GM of Micron's compute and networking business: "Because open standards present the best opportunity for rapid innovation, the OpenCAPI, Gen-Z, and CCIX consortiums are an important step in ensuring that developing architectures can quickly adapt to capitalize on the dramatic benefits provided by new memory technologies." Here's Gaurav Singh, CCIX Chair: "The CCIX group of companies believe in the need to foster innovation in the industry. We welcome the efforts of and look forward to collaborating with the Gen-Z and OpenCAPI consortiums, which will further the development of key technologies that will define the data centers of tomorrow." Completing the fulsome threesome's joint supportive comments is Kurtis Bowman, Gen-Z Consortium president: "The Gen-Z Consortium is committed to establishing an ecosystem where members, the broader industry, and customers work together to deliver robust, high-quality specifications that enable new data center architectures. The formation of these three new consortia (CCIX, OpenCAPI, and Gen-Z), backed by more than 30 industry-leading global companies, supports the premise that the data center of the future will require open standards. We look forward to collaborating with CCIX and OpenCAPI as this new ecosystem takes shape." Key customers for any non-proprietary alternative to Intel fabric interconnect technology are: The server and hyperscaler suppliers: Cisco, Dell, Fujitsu, HDS, HPE, Huawei, IBM, InSpur, Lenovo, Oracle, Quanta and Supermicro on the server side. Businesses like Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Google and Microsoft on the hyperscale data center side. End users will basically buy what the server vendors adopt. The three consortia, in a crude view, represent overlapping anti-Intel groups, wanting to constrain and limit chipzilla's ability to grab more of the server silicon component market to itself. It would be more hopeful for them if they could combine in a single CCIX, OpenCAPI, Gen-Z organization, but the individual members' concerns and technology preferences would make such an attempt unwieldy and difficult to bring to a successful conclusion. Hopefully, and nonetheless, they will try anyway. ....... yep, they just did this "combine the standards together" thing and then said they were going to actually going to build the resulting chipset and actually prove it out in test boards and products before selling it as part of the first wave of DynamIQ SOCs ...... (ARM's and Google's relatively cautious influence is showing through) Intel would rather face, we're sure, three partly or ill-coordinated and overlapping groups that collectively confuse interconnect-buying customers, and contrast the trios's confusing messages and timescales with its own, hopefully clearer and simpler message. The CPU-memory-network interconnect technology wars are on. Wuups, only ONE message and only ONE production proven FOSS chipset for Intel to face off against now ...... and wow, it's a lot cheaper and 10 times faster now too ....... poor poor Intel. ....... bet that Beeg One hurts a whole buncha of a lot going in --- and there is only what, 30 of them OpenCAPI dudes all lined up now jest awaiting for their turn at Intel's fundaments ....... ::) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/14/17 at 00:03:18 OK, let's get an idea about how big 7nm SOC stuff is going to be when it starts shipping next year. Look down at the bottom of the page. Yup, it is only the small dark part drifting around inside the ball grid backing and it sure is is tiny and it actually runs on less than one volt of input power. Issue you keep seeing is that the smallest ball grid array (solder connection spacing) is soooo much bigger than the chip itself it gives an acre of unused space that is yet to be used on any SOC packaging. The ongoing thrust to "put it all on the chip itself" will continue to accelerate since there is more than enough room to put the whole phone/laptop/desktop right on there on the single chip, along with a BIG slab of new style stackable memory that everybody can use since they are all stackable and can be cuddly together on the same ball grid array. And now you can stack several different people's completely different chipset systems on that same tiny tiny piece of silicon (that's what DynamIQ and OpenCAPI are all about). Snapdragon 835 isn't going to be anywhere near state of the art any more --- and by the time MS finishes all of what they are doing in OS customizing around the Snapdragon 835, by then the wave will have actually moved on well past to the next greatest thing (which will include AI). And this is good for consumers, since the COST of the 10nm Snapdragon 835 is now due to drop significantly as it will be a 2-3 years back "midrange SOC" by then ..... Qualcomm will have no monopoly on "everything on the SOC" any further and Intel will just be a more of a historical past influence and MS will just be a legacy software company that is always just struggling to to try to work right on the newest chipsets ...... OpenCAPI has discovered another 10x faster to go with the promised 30x to 50x that DynamIQ promised (and Huawei and DynamIQ has delivered on 25x of that already). The days of being satisfied with a yearly 20% speed bump from Intel or from ARM are over -- so is Moore's Law. By the time we software digest the AI stuff and the 7nm chip sizes we will be dwelling in a completely different computing environment. And why Google started up developing the totally new Fuschia OS is becoming clearer all the time as "non-AI legacy softwares" are becoming more and more of a total package "friction drag" as time goes on. ================================================== No new gasoline or diesel cars in China or in Europe in 5-6 years. Cost of Solar is down to 6 cents per kilowatt hour. (you are paying at least 12 cents for power now) New generations of solid state batteries are coming to both increase storage amounts and lower costs drastically. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/14/17 at 13:44:43 THAT'S the CPU? The days of being satisfied with a yearly 20% speed bump from Intel or from ARM are over -- so is Moore's Law. Could you expand on that?? And what do you see in your crystal ball re: Moore's Suggestion? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/14/17 at 14:57:59 Justin, you said it yourself --- Intel had promised a lithography decrease of feature sizes with a 20-40% increase in performance every 18 months (Moore's law). Intel lithography development has STALLED cold dead for the last 3 years, with just some little fiddle changes and relabeling of part numbers is all you have gotten lately out of Intel for the last full 2 year period. ARM however has been Johnny on the Spot with real lithography changes every year (sometimes more frequently). Now, with DynamIQ and AI coming on, they are delivering on 25X better performance with 30X more to come, supposedly, when the softwares all get tuned up to actually use AI better and better and better. Your performance upgrades simply are not coming from Intel any more. ;D Now, what is coming past that tiny little 7nm finger full? Bitcoin mining is HOT HOT HOT right now and super full of money. TSMC has 7nm running strong on two brand new lines right now running bitcoin chipsets, with 5nm and 3.5nm TSMC development lines built and being finished off ASAP, rush funded by this super hot class of processors. New Memory is hot too, and is running as we speak on at least one-two 5nm process lines exclusively for Apple and a couple of other deep pocket users (the ones who funded the 5nm tech and want to use it EXCLUSIVELY for at least a full year). http://zdnet2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2017/09/11/bc022b1d-9a7a-4c73-9a76-f8fb0776f6c8/a24d8f8f6c66dca02625044e5b502f22/crossbarcmoschip.jpg |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/14/17 at 16:11:07 I'm gonna be needing the Readers Digest version. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/15/17 at 01:08:23 Justin, remember Fuchsia the brand new OS from Google? It was based on Magenta, which was a brand new key element programming language ? Well, Google has matured the sweet soft fuzzy Magenta now, and it isn't all fuzzy and vague and "flower like" any more -- it has crystalized into a rock solid very durable language called Zircon (same color, except a Zircon is hard & durable almost like a diamond) ..... but it is really really cheap to FOSS free ---- kinda sorta like the nasty hard zircon pendant you gave your early girl friend because it was something you could actually afford. When you are expressing AI learned functions in a full speed executable, you want a language that is speed durable, terse and quick and has no legacy BS to it, nothing there that is functionally holding it back at those 50x faster speeds .... ::) ....... watch out Intel, it is hard and it is sharp and it will cut you, and cut you, and cut you all to bloody ribbons ....... http://https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.0U8o6ubUA7kBR7DXj7BHfAEsEs&w=223&h=208&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.7 |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/15/17 at 14:10:24 http://www.androidauthority.com/what-ever-happened-to-lgs-nuclun-processors-771618/ Intel fails again in attempts to make a 10nm SOC for LG. http://cdn01.androidauthority.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/lg-nuclun-soc-held-in-hand-16x9-hd.jpg This is baseball rules and Intel has struck out three times already on making an SOC for LG off of their 10nm process. Furthermore, Intel is also choking on building its own larger processors on their 10nm process as well, reporting yield issues and relatively poorer performance off of the ones that do test out as "all present on all functions". LG is now planning to use the Snapdragon 835 and deeply regrets the year plus they spent screwing around with Intel. Intel is back to playing with themselves over there in the corner. :P Now, let's see graphically and clearly how non-competitive Intel's best 10nm LG effort was size-wise as compared to the very successful Snapdragon 835 as tuned and produced by Samsung. http://teloji.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Snapdragon-835-821.jpg Snapdragon 821 is a little smaller than the LG SOC Snapdragon 835 is in the middle |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/17/17 at 09:50:48 https://liliputing.com/2017/09/amd-ryzen-5-2500u-benchmarks-hint-ryzen-coming-laptops-soon.html http://https://www.pcgamesn.com/sites/default/files/AMD%20Bristol%20Ridge%20APU.png AMD plans to launch a line of Ryzen Mobile chips with integrated graphics aimed at laptops by the end of the year. We got an early look at some details earlier this year, thanks to a series of leaks, and now some benchmark results give us an even better idea of what to expect. Formerly codenamed “Raven Ridge,” Ryzen Mobile chips will be part of AMD’s APU or “Accelerated Processing Unit” family and the Ryzen 5 2500U is expected to be a 4-core/8-thread processor with AMD Radeon Vega graphics. A listing at Geekbench seems to confirm those specs, and an image posted to reddit seems to suggest that the chip is showing up in 3DMark 11 benchmark results as well. I’d take the actual benchmark scores with a grain of salt, since we’re talking about unreleased products. But at this point it looks like the Ryzen 5 mobile chip outperforms a Core i7-7660U Kaby Lake processor with Intel Iris Plus 640 graphics in 3D Mark 11. What did they just say again? AMD has a family of CPU/GPU/AI Accelerator coming on, the first one of which AMD plans to launch as a line of Ryzen Mobile chips with integrated graphics aimed at laptops by the end of the year. We got an early look at some details earlier this year, thanks to a series of leaks, and now some benchmark results give us an even better idea of what to expect. Formerly codenamed “Raven Ridge,” Ryzen Mobile chips will be part of AMD’s APU or “Accelerated Processing Unit” family and the Ryzen 5 2500U is expected to be a 4-core/8-thread processor with AMD Radeon Vega graphics. A listing at Geekbench seems to confirm those specs, and an image posted to reddit seems to suggest that the chip is showing up in 3DMark 11 benchmark results as well. I’d take the actual benchmark scores with a grain of salt, since we’re talking about unreleased products. But at this point it looks like the Ryzen 5 mobile chip outperforms a Core i7-7660U Kaby Lake processor with Intel Iris Plus 640 graphics in 3D Mark 11. What to think about it ...... if it uses an Accelerated (AI) combined CPU/GPU/AI processor with a decent amount of conjoined fast memory AMD could just plain eat Intel alive in Laptop Space on a cost/performance basis. Anywhere that Intel has suddenly grown a modern AI based competitor, they have immediately lost a chunk of market share to that competitor -- this seems to be an oft repeated theme lately. Making a big assumption here that the Win 10 AI software side of the equation will be all ready to go from MS that is ...... ======================================== http://https://www.pcgamesn.com/sites/default/files/Raven%20Ridge%20Ryzen%20Mobile%20graph.png What do you see here? Same piece of silicon holds an AI capable CPU/GPU/AI processor with shared on die Memory. The gaming guys are simply going nuts over this because it means they get REAL gaming laptops that are as thin and light as anything out there right now. ======================================== http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/AMD-Intel-Q3-2017-CPU-Market-Share.png ======================================== While on that topic of MS's old non AI softwares being a drag upon the whole AI concept, read this to see what FOSS is doing about it. https://www.wired.com/2016/06/microsofts-open-source-love-affair-reaches-new-heights/ But open source and AI is about more than just selling more software and services. About 18,000 developers from more than 1,300 different companies outside of Microsoft have contributed to .NET Core 1.0, according to the company. Why work on Microsoft's products for free? For James Niesewand and his team at Illyriad Games, it allows them to fix their own problems .NET without having to wait for Microsoft to do it, or writing their own programming platform from scratch. "Three years ago if we had a problem with .NET, we'd write-up a bug report, submit it," he says. "After a few weeks you might get a response acknowledging it, and maybe a year later you'd get a release that fixes it." Now, he says, the company can write their own fixes and have them approved by Microsoft in hours. Microsoft reaps huge benefits from this. The company uses .NET for its own cloud-based services, so, in theory, the improvements made to the platform by Illyriad and other outside developers could have ripple effects throughout Microsoft's empire, from Outlook.com to Cortana. That's how Facebook and Google develop software, too. If an outside developer figures out how to speed up Facebook's development framework React, then everyone—including Facebook's users—benefit from faster, more responsive applications. If an academic studying artificial intelligence finds a way to make Google's AI framework TensorFlow better, then that researcher will get a better tool and Google will get improvements that could trickle out to every part of its business that depends on TensorFlow. SO IN OTHER WORDS, MS gets to exist for yet another year or so, with OTHER PEOPLE volunteering to be a' kicking their can down the road for a little bit further. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/18/17 at 15:53:11 http://wccftech.com/tsmc-arm-cadence-7nm-server-chip/ TSMC Partners Up With ARM & Cadence (IBM) For 7nm Data Center Chips; Expects 70% Size & 60% Power Reduction With 30% Clock Boost. Yup, this is a real 7nm run off wafer with over 500 copies of a 7nm Cadence (IBM) Data Center chipset. http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/TSMC-1480x876.jpg Having already run off the chipsets, the aforementioned numbers can be carried to the bank .... and with TSMC getting SO MANY MORE extra little SOCs per standard wafer, then the finished cost for a 7nm SOC may actually GO DOWN SOME compared to the old lower SOC count 10nm and 14nm "per wafer" SOC costing. Extreme Ultra Violet laser processing cuts out two full lithography passes and the use of two masks compared to 10nm, so it is cheaper that way too. Smaller, cheaper, faster, yields 35% more chipsets per wafer, so what's not to like with 7nm ???? ::) ....... oh yeah, it runs on 0.45 volts so cell phone batteries can get smaller and cheaper too? TSMC, ARM And Cadence Partner Up For 7nm Server Chips In 2018; Will Feature ARMv8.2 And DynamIQ The race for 7nm is on. We’ve seen big statements from both Samsung and TSMC’s end over the course of the year. Both will use EUV for manufacturing and Samsung looks to be the one ahead of TSMC at the moment. However, the Taiwanese fab is eager to experiment and show off its prowess as well. TSMC will build 7nm test chips next year, to be used in data centers. ARM and TSMC haven’t disclosed which cores the chip will use. This chip will be based on ARMv8.2, feature DynamIQ, CMN-600 interconnect bus, a DDR4 memory controller and PCI Express 3.0/4.0. According to Dr. Cliff Hou, VP R&D, “Artificial intelligence and deep learning will significantly impact industries including media, consumer electronics and healthcare. TSMC’s most advanced 7nm FinFET process technology provides high performance and low power benefits that satisfy distinct product requirements for High-Performance Computing (HPC) applications targeting these markets.” TSMC claims that its current 7nm FF chips will allow users to reduce power consumption by as much as 60%. It’ll shrink die size by 70% and boost clock rates by 30%. These are big numbers and go to show what a beast 7nm will be in the future. TSMC expects 7nm to be commercially usable by Q2 2018 with Samsung hitting slightly earlier in Q1 2018. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/19/17 at 16:43:02 Why is Intel being so fearful and alarmed at the pending wave of Snapdragon 835 Win 10 machines? Because there is no way in hell that Intel can compete against the 835s with the hugely larger bill of materials that an Intel based machine must have in order to work at all. Think of the simple difference in a lowered purchase cost and a greatly increased battery life that the Snapdragon units will have over ALL the Intel devices. It isn't really just about defeating Chromebooks, it is Intel fearfully considering completely losing a huge chunk of its laptop market share inside of 2 years ....... Intel sees ARM hitting them hard down low and AMD hitting them hard in the middle and Apple cranking up their own ARM based processor for taking share from that upper segment of laptop space. http://https://mspoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/ARM-vs-Intel-Windows-PC-Board.jpg Now take the motherboard stuff on the left and plug next generation's 7nm DynamIQ SOC into it and reap a 25-30 times boost in processing speed on a wide variety of things by using AI learned execution speeds ..... now start running that 7nm DynamIQ board off of only 1-2 volts of battery power and see all that moldy old Intel tech still sucking up 7.5 volts and/or 5.5 volts off of it's big old style laptop batteries. ARM will be many many times faster than Intel then and ARM will be actually lasting for WHOLE DAYS on standby then --- not just a few hours like Intel does now .... ::) Intel just leaked that they have failed on their 10nm trials again -- 10nm is being pushed off into 2018 time range, sometimes, yet again. Hear Intel's first hearty squeals as the BEEG ONE begins to penetrate their fundamentals ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/20/17 at 17:44:47 https://liliputing.com/2017/09/sure-looks-like-google-buy-htc-least-phone-division.html Google may be preparing to buy HTC’s phone division, and an announcement could come as soon as September 21st. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/google-pixel.jpg This wouldn’t be the first time Google bought a phone maker. The company acquired Motorola in 2012 and sold it to Lenovo two years later. At the time it seemed pretty clear that Google wasn’t interested in developing its own smartphone hardware and competing with all the other companies that sold phones powered by Google’s Android software. Instead, what Google got with its purchase of Motorola was access to a large library of patents which helped fend off lawsuits from other companies. Now it’s 2017 and things look a lot different. Google does sell phones with its own name on them, in an effort to offer an integrated hardware and software experience that’s similar to what Apple can offer with its iPhones. But the original Pixel and Pixel XL weren’t actually built by Google. They were made by HTC. This year’s models are expected to be manufactured by HTC and LG. Google is preparing to give "that clear example of what you should be doing" to the phone industry as they prepare to jump off into AI and DynamIQ conjoined processing. This means buying HTC's phone division and getting hold of at least one associated HTC phone manufacturing plant. This phone building move is again likely to be fairly short term thing (especially if Samsung and the other big uns take umbrage at it). But Google has to go into phone building again as HTC (or the other little guys) won't make the needed full DynamIQ product shifts unless they are shown a clear competitive reason to have to do so. Example of these timid half moves is Huawei moving the Mali G72 and a adder AI processor block over into last year's phone as their big upgrade for this upcoming year (and yes, they were smart to identify the timing advantage of that particular half move and it WAS good enough to quickly put them at the front of the little guy pack for the next 6 months or so for very very little cost). Very smart, very quick, very Chinese. But it wasn't a 7nm full DynamIQ product changeover by anyone's estimation. Stopped short on all but two items, a Mali G72 GPU and a conjoined AI processor, but it did show how just those two pieces alone can leave everybody who is still slinging pure "old school" in the rear view mirror eating them some Huawei dust ..... Owning the HTC Phone Division (the makers of most of the past Nexus and Pixel phones) gives Google the "make stuff" ability they will need in the next 3-5 years. Google will be making a lot of "this is how we make it" stuff during that period of time as AI slowly phases fully into computing. ================================== https://liliputing.com/2017/09/google-buys-part-htcs-phone-business-1-1-billion.html DONE DEAL Now it looks like Google is going all-in on the idea of building its own phones. The company has announced a $1.1 billion deal to hire about 2,000 people away from HTC and to license intellectual property from the company. Google is officially becoming a phone maker. The deal is actually a little smaller/more complicated than some folks had expected: HTC is offering its IP in a non-exclusive arrangement. And the company will continue to make phones and other products (like the HTC Vive VR headset) under its own brand name. HTC says this will let the company streamline its product portfolio, although there was obviously never anything stopping HTC from doing that before. the bigger news is that HTC, which has been struggling to compete with rivals like Samsung, Apple, and Huawei in recent years, now has $1.1 billion more to play with. That could help the company shift its focus in the coming years. For now, HTC says it’s already working on the follow-up to this year’s HTC U11. So it looks like HTC isn’t exiting the phone business just yet. This isn’t the first time Google has bought significant assets from a phone maker. The company acquired Motorola’s phone business in 2012, but sold it to Lenovo two years later. In that case Google was only really interested in the patents. The HTC deal comes at a time when Google is doubling down on its Pixel line of premium devices which the company says offer “the best Google experience” in hardware, software, and services. In the past Google, like Microsoft, has basically offered software and services and relied on partners for the hardware. But, like Microsoft, the company has decided to have it both ways in recent years… but offering a premium line of products for a best-in-class experience, while also continuing to make its software available for third-party device makers to give customers a range of choices when it comes to features and price points. It remains to be seen what kind of impact this will have on Google’s consumer hardware lineup. The company is holding an event on October 4th to unveil new products including phones, smart speakers, and a laptop. But all of those items were in the works before the HTC deal was announced. ======================================= Next item worth predicting, T-Mobile and Sprint will join together finally into one company. Constantly on GIGABYTE Mobile capacity (LTE 5.0+) is going to be expensive to do, and by combining tower ranges a LOT of money will be saved for the two carriers. 10s of Billions saved in the first year, more the second year. Beware that monthly charges will go up as the two competing freely is what brought the monthly bills down this past few years. Plus there is that new wave of tech coming, and being in Google's camp is a smart place to be right now. How much influence Google had on this budding deal is debateable, but the two companies actually did cooperate some on the Google Fi phone project and they both saw solid benefits from actually cooperating together. Google's Fi radio / baseband tricks are becoming more and more common as "the do anybody's towers" baseband and radios have begun to become commonplace and I can see the new Sprint/T-mobile carrier making a real big thing about already having that capacity and making that combo tower Fi tech type power available on all their simm cards for all supported brands (and that will be just about all new cell phones, btw). ========================================= http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/nna-680x388.jpg Apple has hired away the cream of Imagination's graphic processor design people, but the surviving customerless company is attempting to sell itself to ...... ANYBODY ..... as a strong value added proposition. Intel really doesn't get graphics and AI all that deeply, and Imagination would be a good purchase if Intel can afford it after having just blown a couple of billions buying several hover toy type companies. ::) Imagination's stuff is available to license if you can't afford to buy the whole company outright. Licensing Mali G72 graphics directly from ARM would be a better licensing choice, however. Sept 23, 2017 Imagination found a Chinese company to buy them. Deal is pending governmental approvals. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/22/17 at 10:37:12 https://liliputing.com/2017/09/apple-iphone-8-teardown-reveals-iphone-7-better-cpu-cameras.html iPhone 8 with Apple A11 Bionic SOC outperforms ....... a Macbook Pro with Intel Core i5. By a lot, too. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/iphone-8-bench.jpg See this sort of stuff happening a lot from from the ARM guys now, especially when those extra AI co-processor blocks are put onto the SOC by everybody (and the app writers start using them all the time) ...... http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/iphone-8-teardown.jpg Intel begins it's long long losing streak. :P Anything Intel dating back to 2016 or earlier (including the Core i7s) is in danger of losing to the brand new AMD AI equipped SOCs. Ditto for the Apple A11 and A12 Bionic SOC set ups. Ditto for the new ARM Holdings DynamIQ SOCs that are just starting to come out now. Double Ditto for the 7nm ARM Holdings DynamIQ SOCs coming out this Christmas and early next year ...... See the great 7nm footrace begin to actually begin in earnest when competitors really start to utilize the AI learned execution functions on as just many processes as possible now that the ARM DynamIQ SOCs are all here with the built in ability to use AI functions ....... ::) Intel just put out "new" line of 14nm chipsets that require you to buy a new motherboard to use them -- expensive new totally locked down motherboards that only yield a 25% processing speed bump. Ain't got no AI in it at all ..... http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2013/04/02/Tom_Gill_lighthouse_(11)_20130402133154_640_480.JPG Yep, it is the exact same old lighthouse, jest with more layers of 14nm vaporous brown BS coated over the last 4 years accumulation of 14nm Intel style BS ...... This in a changing world when Huawei just put out a 10nm phone that can do enough AI tricks right off the bat to do 25 TIMES better processing speeds at A VERY MINIMAL COST INCREASE compared to the old school stuff (25x throughput limited only by the lack of apps that take real advantage of the AI processing, but those will come soon enough). Intel is still not meeting AMD's price ranges and Intel has already lost a whopping 30% of their enthusiast/gamer market share in just ONE quarter because buying you a new AMD motherboard simply gets you a lot better performance for a lot less money compared to Intel. Qualcomm 835 is coming for low end laptops, AMD conjoined processing is coming for mid to upper end laptops and Apple is going to do something very soon as Intel has dumped off their promised 10nm processors for yet another year ..... Intel is looking to lose at least half their current market share inside the next calendar year. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/24/17 at 14:01:18 https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3017743/intel-reportedly-delays-10nm-cannon-lake-cpus-until-late-2018 http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20170920PD207.html Intel displays a new deniable "disposable" talking head who shares Intel's latest news that they just uprooted everyone's CONFIRMED 2018 production plans for making Intel 10nm products. Apple is pissed, "taking steps". http://https://www.theinquirer.net/w-images/46479cbe-967a-4c22-8190-29ca62bd8d3b/2/IntelCannonLakewafer-580x358.jpg I am the prettiest one they got left ..... Intel GPU-integrated Cannon Lake may not be ready until year-end 2018, say sources You think it's a joke, or a spoof --- but it is not. AMD will be shipping a 10nm conjoined CPU/GPU/AI Accelerator for almost a full solid year before Intel gets their first CPU/GPU on the same chip out of the gate. ARM DynamIQ 7nm products will have been shipping for at least full six full months before Intel gets their first 10nm chipset out of the gate. MS will be shipping Qualcomm 835 laptops from 3 of the big boys for at least six to eight months before Intel gets their finger out of their nose. :P Prediction: A-11 or A-12 Apple SOC ships inside some Apple laptops before Intel ever ships a 10nm conjoined SOC period. What do you think is going to happen to this graph? Grow a couple of extra lines maybe? Bet the blue one goes down a bunch as the total of all the lines still has to balance out at 100%. http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/AMD-Intel-Q3-2017-CPU-Market-Share.png ========================================== It is now a week later, at 9/29/17. Once again, the financial press (Nikkei to be precise) has broken the newest tech story long before the tech guys themselves get the news. https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/29/apple-interested-processors-modems/ It is all couched in Finance speak, but the gist is that Apple, early this very year decided to build their own video system with full DynamIQ AI ties in built into the system -- and by golly they did it inside a year. Spent the coins, gutted Imagination Corp for key people, but they did it. They call it Bionic accelerated Graphics and it shipped last week in the iPhone 8 ...... Base band chipsets and main processor tech are next, with Apple moving on Qualcomm by suing the hell out of them and pirating key people from their ranks. Apple has reportedly "invested in research and development" for baseband modem chips -- currently sourced from Intel and Qualcomm -- which are required for cellular communication features on Apple's mobile devices. Analysts pointed towards Apple's legal fight with Qualcomm, and its poaching of Qualcomm modem chip engineer Esin Terzioglu, as examples to bolster the theory that the Cupertino company is ready to build its own modem chips. Apple has stolen personnel from Qualcomm and Intel -- from baseband and radio groups AND from the CPU and memory design groups as well. Building its own core processor chips for MacBooks would reduce Apple's dependence on Intel, with two industry sources stating that Apple would instead build its notebook chips using ARM Holding's technology, a British company that designs ARM architecture and licenses it out to other companies. Apple's interest in designing chips that integrate touch, fingerprint and display driver functions is said to be because the company "wants to control next-generation display technology and some related key components." Multiple analysts provided theories behind Apple's move to design more of its own chips for its products, which included staying on the forefront of artificial intelligence, lowering production costs, better protecting proprietary technology, and more. "By designing its own chips, Apple can better differentiate itself from others. Further, depending too much on other chip suppliers in the age of artificial intelligence will deter its development," said Mark Li, a Hong Kong-based analyst with Sanford C. Bernstein. "We believe that more system houses will design their own chips. The purposes are to develop and protect their proprietary technology information, to make more efficient chips for their unique need, to lower [costs] and to do inventory control better and keep all logistic operation confidentially," Samuel Wang, a U.S.-based analyst at research company Gartner, said. Apple has long designed and built the core processing chips found in iPhones and iPads, but this year reports began to emerge of the company's hope to expand the amount of internal iOS device components that it creates on its own. In April, Apple informed Imagination Technology that it would stop using its graphics technology over the next two years, aiming to make its own graphics processing chips and lessen its reliance on the supplier. Less official was a prediction by analyst Karsten Iltgen that Apple would drop Dialog Semiconductor from its supply chain and move to its own in-house power management chips for iPhones by 2019. This week, Apple was part of a consortium that purchased Toshiba's much-sought-after NAND memory chip unit for $17.7 billion, another move that will eventually allow Apple to be less reliant on other suppliers for device components. Still, many of Apple's in-house chip production lines are many years off, with analyst Mark Li stating that it's "unlikely" Apple will be able to debut its own components -- specifically referring to the modem chips -- within the next two years. Noting that Apple tends to "just go do it" look to see these moves completed simo to the AI read in which will take place in 2018. Support for this speedy changeover comes from the Imagination saga, gutted and spurned by Apple, just sold itself to the Chinese because nobody in America wanted to pay for tech that had already gone to Apple. Imagination is now GONE .... Intel and Qualcomm can look forward to the same treatment, as they have become "undesirable partners" to Apple at this point in time. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/25/17 at 10:02:49 There is a MASSIVE wave of NEW product announcements, special term sales, etc. etc. etc. going on right now as we type. EVERYBODY is expediting all the old style units they have in the pipeline, yup, all the stuff that uses old school pre-DynamIQ technology set ups in phones, tablets and LAPTOPS. Look to see stuff planned for up to a year out being pulled into immediate shipment right NOW ASAP. What they can cancel of the processor shipments from Intel will be cancelled -- see Intel's new CPU shipments on replaced technology tank immediately to approaching zero in the short term. If they don't sell it before Thanksgiving, it goes to WOOT and to the Black Friday Sales as "out of date" technologically. Things already built and sitting will become Seconds, Refurbs, or whatever you want to call out of date moldy stuff that can't be moved unless strongly discounted. Deals will be had ..... if it doesn't say 7nm on it consider not buying it at all unless the price is fire sale good. Remember, before snapping it up any oldy moldy pre-DynamIQ tech things that next year's DynamIQ 7nm stuff will be at least 25 TIMES faster on most pictorial/graphical types of things AND THAT INCLUDES DISPLAYING WEB PAGES, loading ads, movies, etc. And the new 7nm DynamIQ stuff will get 3-4 times the battery life of the old stuff ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/25/17 at 10:36:57 https://liliputing.com/2017/09/microsoft-announces-4-new-windows-10-s-laptops-coming-soon-275.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/windows-10-s-f1.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=GL-Lc8y5mzA it is a YouTube, click to watch it Microsoft is knee jerking as well -- taking the Win 10s products that were originally intended for kids in classrooms and trying to warp them ASAP into something that can compete against Chromebooks in Business. Couldn't sell it to the school systems, huh? That's too bad, right? Them Chromebooks SUCCESSFULLY going into business like they are doing really really really smarts, doesn't it? So, try selling your school failures to normal people saying they are Business Grade machines -- next, try selling them as "off lease" specials right after Christmas ..... hey, say ANYTHING no matter how outlandish to move that dead inventory. These are the same products that are going to get hit hard by your Win 10 ARM machines when they arrive, so ya gotta do what you have to do to move them before then. Feeling threatened for very much, Mickey? Still find yourself building brand new "built to fail" stuff time after time, huh? Stuff that nobody wants, just sits in warehouses until you sell it off for 10-20 cents on the dollar ..... :-[ Think about how poor Intel feels right about now ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 09/30/17 at 12:33:47 today, 9/30/17 TSMC breaks ground on their 3nm production facility. Yep, real poured concrete plans from TSMC to be at 3nm inside 3-5 years. TSMC's EUV laser tech has proven out good enough to do it and the EUV masking tech has been all worked out at 5nm making "new memory" for the last year. Stuff has to be real before the concrete gets poured ..... Once again, memory production will go first and that lasts for at least a year or two before Apple decides they really really really need a 3nm chip to stay up on top. Then the "then current 5nm stuff" gets superseded by the new 3nm stuff ..... PREDICTION: 3nm will be at the end of the line for immersion lithography, after that a new tech base will have to take over, something that we haven't even invented yet .... Your phone will be insanely powerful, 10 gigs of fast memory right on your phone's stacked SOC will be commonplace and OTA gigabyte data plans will be commonplace. Your phone will be 50 to 100 times more powerful than the PC you use to read this thread. ================================================== Little factoid Intel doesn't want you to know. AMD used to base itself off of Intel x86 intellectual properties. This has changed this year and your soon to come out AMD conjoined AI CPU / GPU/ AI laptop chipsets built at 10nm from AMD are all going to be built using ARM DynamIQ technology with just a few name brand-able tweeks. ::) This same "based on ARM DynamIQ tech" story is true from QUALCOMM and APPLE now as well. This factoid is followed on this next week by a tripling change in the Linux support cycle to move it from a phone-like 2 year support cycle to a more PC or mainframe like 6 year support cycle. ...... yep, Apple's A-11 Bionic is a tweeked DynamIQ chipset with a custom GPU and AI block ...... =================================================== http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/lts-kernel_01.jpg This Lenaro/Linux tripling increase in support time was called for by the Qualcomm 835 / Microsoft's new uses as a PC which are head our way by Christmas. These devices will be in laptops and desktops and need the same 6 plus year support periods accordingly. The 2 year phone support/scrap cycle has now officially ended too, with batteries lasting far far longer now and the larger costs of a primo phone causing users to want to keep their phones much much longer than 2 years. Look to see your DynamIQ based phones and laptops carry Lenaro/Linux/Google based support for up to 6-8 years, with user group based support continuing on far past that. ================================================== https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Apple-A11-Performance-Review-iPhone-8-Plus-Taking-Desktop http://https://www.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2017-09-26/A11_Bionic_Keynote.jpg https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Apple-A11-Performance-Review-iPhone-8-Plus-Taking-Desktop This is PC Performance, a mainstream PC magazine, saying that Apple can go with their home grown Apple A-11 SOC using iOS 10 for software right now and beat up on the current Intel based products very very badly on Apple Mac style laptops. Better performance, better battery life. Less expensive to build. And if they did it right now, they could slow or mostly stop the ever increasing volume losses bleeding over to Chromebooks. And if they (Apple) doesn't go do it right now, Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 based Win 10 machines will show up and hurt them still further in ways they will not be able to regain at all, ever, going forward. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/01/17 at 21:56:01 https://www.tomsguide.com/us/huawei-kirin-790-processor-mate-10,news-25774.html Sleeper rumor from Huawei, the new DynamIQ based Kirin 970 set up will have a DeX like docking station that can turn the phone into a desktop PC. With the 25 TIMES better throughput video related improvements from the AI graphics block and the G72 graphics set this might actually wind up being a really Quick desktop PC ..... We shall see .... iPhone8 should have been able to do this but Apple missed that boat by not paying attention to what the Android world was doing with the DeX dock thing. =================================================== I spoke too soon about Apple not reacting fast enough --- Apple just today posted ARM ready source code for the SNU Kernels that are found in iOS and macOS, laying in the ground work for Macs with A-11 Bionic ARM based processors in Apple Laptops. And AI use is part of this SNU Kernel ground work ...... A-11 Bionic is what the changes were written for, that and the upcoming A-12 Bionic with its 2x higher "big" power core count that is intended for the more powerful laptop / desktop requirements. ================================================== back to Chromebooks Are Chromebooks sales volumes still increasing rapidly ??? Yes, indeed they are -- the net metrics tracking companies are tracking the last 2 month span where the real use of Linux operating systems to access data on the internet has DOUBLED to clearly over 7% in in laptop space. (6-10% mildly steady now, it varies week to week) And yes, this doubling up would include more classroom Chromebooks going into education as the primary expansion zone of this sudden doubling -- but again, some are Chromebook business machines that are going in now to replace the "aging out" of the old existing Intel worker bee hardware. Key point is that yet another rapid Linux doubling is a fairly significant thing to see happening in laptop space ..... and to see it double up again in only 2 months indicates a tipping point has come and gone on Chromebook use over there in laptop land. Some pundits say that letting the kiddies take the Chromebooks home with them has resulted in a massive additional use of the internet by Linux based devices. Other pundits are saying that the definition used for "Laptop" has changed over yonder in the background, causing a shift in the reported numbers. ::) no shite, Sherlock .... teach them kiddies to do EVERYTHING on a Chromebook while they are all young and mentally flexible. And quit letting Wintel define what a laptop is and isn't, and hiding their "declining market share" from the public by doing so. Shortly before this tracking period started, Apple had admitted that Chromebooks had recently grown in size to be larger than Apple's MacPro market volume share -- so this sudden doubling up on Apple's total MacPro size in just two months is something that should be of real concern to Apple. Apple MUST combat this with a wave of A-11 Bionic and the A-12 Bionic chipsets going into less expensive Macbooks very very very soon, or the damage done to their Apple Laptop market share may well become permanent. ================================================== So, poor Intel howls and moans and rattles their self-imposed chains yet again as yet another couple of fresh players comes up behind them and insert a brand new fresh throbbing BEEG ONE to make fresh assaults on their aching fundamentals. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/05/17 at 19:06:47 Once again, the financial institution fact sheets are getting the real information first, tabulating it and making their sell recommendations accordingly. https://seekingalpha.com/article/4075423-intel-may-lose-half-market-capitalization-2-years Intel May Lose Half Of Its Market Capitalization In 2 Years Summary: Due to various execution problems at Intel and a strong comeback from AMD, Intel is on the verge of losing massive share in the x86 market and at the risk of losing about half of its EPS. As AMD ramps to meaningful market share by the end of 2018 and into 2019, we expect severe consequences to Intel's market capitalization. It is not difficult to see Intel losing about half of its current market capitalization by the end of 2018. AMD remains the top semiconductor pick but now we add Intel as a solid, long-term short candidate. For the first time since the Y2K meltdown, Intel is now an excellent long-term short candidate. Given the low beta nature of Intel, several low-cost, high-alpha options plays are possible. Our View of INTC: Sell Short http://https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2017/5/9110881_14954763391771_rId27.png This data uses the traditional definition of laptop, desktop and tablet -- this definition is busy changing right now and when the smoke clears Intel will be MUCH SMALLER with far more competitors all lined up for their turn at banging away at poor old Intel's ailing (failing) fundamentals. The article also only uses ONE of Intel's 3-4 potential competitors to base their prediction of Intel's 50% market share loss within the next year. However, I like that my prediction of Intel losing half their market gets confirmation by a supposedly unbiased, technically proficient financial reporting company like Seekingalpha. Don't buy anything right now -- too much is up in the air with new alternatives coming on that are going to be MUCH BETTER than Wintel's old stuff. And fire sale prices on the old stuff are coming this winter as they gotta sell off all the existing stocks of finished old tech laptops, desktops, etc. etc. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/07/17 at 03:18:43 The background suppositions behind this thread are NO LONGER VALID. Wintel is broken in two with Win now hopping into bed with ARM/Qualcomm in a potentially very messy divorce from Tel, who is now saying Win can't wear any of the clothes or jewelry that Tel had bought for her in years past if she is dating somebody else now ...... ARM has a new standard, DynamIQ, which has made some real motions to get into Laptop space (using the old traditional meaning of laptops) and it is already in the new "phone as a desktop" space as we speak. The very last "traditional" ARM chipset is the Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 generation -- all generations after that will be DynamIQ based. ======================================= draw a line in your mind right here as there is no new x386 tech in development any where any more ..... The very first of the non-Apple DynamIQ "do anything" processors is the Huawei Kirin 970 which ships about a week from now. The delta between the old and new ARM worlds is super fast AI processing, which takes place on the SOC chipset itself and can yield up to a 25 TIMES throughput improvement in graphical things, like web refreshes and video this and that. More items beyond graphics will roll into using superfast AI processing just as soon as the apps get modded to use the AI functions, which will very quickly sort out the software world into winners and "technically dead" losers very very quickly. Huawei is looking to ride this tech change wave effect to go up to at least the #3 slot in the phone world industry wide. To go to #2 slot is harder ..... but some say Huawei has already taken the #3 slot and is threatening to take the #2 slot next year. If things happen to go a little sideways, Apple might slip a slot since the Apple fans are not liking the huge price increase Apple just handed them for the AI capable A-11 Bionic processor based phones. The harsh fact is that ALL of these brand new upper level ARM phone processor SOCs are PLENTY STRONG ENOUGH to run a PC experience. Apple has just moved to put the needed changes in the Apple kernel software into place to do this "Bionic can go into anything" stuff starting inside this upcoming 2018 year. Apple's pending A-12 Bionic SOCs which will be landing next year will have twice as many main power cores so it can better drop in as a main desktop/laptop Intel replacement role ..... All the ARM/Chromebook folks are already doing this AI stuff to a limited degree right now and they will do even more of it this upcoming year. And this change up wave will only get more pronounced inside the next calendar year as old tech begins losing massive market share to new tech. Intel is in for a very bad year next year as they have nada, zippo, zilch in their pipeline that commands any respect against any of their several new 25x stronger competitors. Instead Intel internally is talking about doing more people cutting to stay in balance with what they can actually sell and the Intel personnel's very poor moral and all the other associated people type issues are quite severe at the moment according to Oregon local media sources. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/07/17 at 06:52:39 Where do you get the information you use to put all that together? I think you should be writing for a monthly magazine. Do tech stock traders even know this stuff? Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 -- all after that will be DynamIQ based. I'm thinking this is all an Order of Magnitude , revolution, not evolution, shift in concept of design. ======================================= draw a line in your mind right here as there is no new x386 tech in development any where any more ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/07/17 at 07:30:32 Justin, I get it from all over ...... I have found that financial sites (such as Seeking Alpha) are gold mines for leaked info as the this very early info is used by traders to get a jump on stock market shifts. I call such "rumors" when I mention them here, then after getting confirmation info from other reputable sources I list them as "breaking news". I only hazard predictions on things that seem to have a trend (items from lots of sources) to back them up. Predicting Apple is tough, since they are secretive and not particularly limited to chasing money as their sole purpose in being. (IE they should have dumped Intel 2 years ago when they were first capable of doing so.) There are lots of folks putting out predictions, the old school PC guys are always wrong and out of date, the Apple lovers are limited by what Apple thinks they should want .... and the Indian and Chinese guys are always way way out at the bleeding cutting edge of things now (America is a tech backwater in their eyes). |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/07/17 at 08:15:02 I wish you could capitalize on your research. You've been tracking stuff long enough to know if you are actually a reasonably dependable evaluator. So, are the changes coming evolutionary or revolutionary? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/07/17 at 11:48:33 25x times faster learned AI execution on massively parallel graphics type processor blocks smells sorta REVOLUTIONARY at first to me. The EVOLUTION of this AI stuff will be the "somewhat slower" occurring gradual upgrades going on up to 50X execution speeds that will take place on ever faster and faster performing learned AI executions on faster 5nm memory and faster AI 7nm processor blocks that will only come after the OS software and hardware have been tuned together for a few generations. The point here being that Intel only goes up by 20% and 30% per whole lithography generation every 5-6 YEARS, not by the much bigger 10-25 TIMES and similar larger leaps like ARM AI is currently doing every 6 months or so. Plus, Intel seems to have pretty much run out of any new lithography generations, period ...... ..... and last year's pre-DyamIQ ARM chipsets had already lapped Intel's Core i3 and some of the Core i5 Intel processors even before the AI parallel processor blocks and AI tricks became available. So, I am anticipating the first partially implemented DynamIQ AI processors from ARM in early 2018 to kick out 10-25 TIMES faster graphical processing (web pages and the like) and that 10-25 TIMES more visual speed will be there even before more of the base software pieces and all the apps actually get fully rewritten to more properly use the AI advantages that DynamIQ brings to the table. Then things will get yet faster again. 7nm lithography will bring even more improvements and the larger available blocks of 5nm fast conjoined "common" L3 cache memory stacked on top of the DynamIQ SOCs will bring still more speed improvements, until AI rings in at the promised 30x to 50x improvement level (which will occur in 3-4 years). These advantages will play in phones, tablets, laptops, desktops, servers and mainframes, yep, going all the way up to supercomputers. And the piteous captive howling and moaning coming from Intel's playroom will increase and increase and increase and the bundled sheaves of x86 people laid off by Intel HQ will fall like leaves in the fall time. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/07/17 at 13:59:51 That's just beyond me to even comprehend. Not the increase in function, but the lithography. Creating a conductive line, so tiny, is just a Wow moment. The operating voltages and switching to feed them, it's just exciting to know that's being done. And I wouldn't know anything about that without your updates. I know how much time it takes to type stuff. Thanks again. And keeping it Readers Digest level is cool. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/07/17 at 14:10:42 Intel should get smart and ditch their x86 legacy stuff and use that ARM design license that they bought over two years ago and simply exercise some of that good ol' folk saying ..... "If you can't beat them, join them". All that stops Intel is too much pride and a serious case of corporate "not invented here" mentality. Plus the fact as a chipmaker they are seriously cost burdened and can only live with VERY high chip margins (astronomically high margins compared to South Korea and China and India). This is the definition of non-competitive in 2018-2020. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/08/17 at 10:34:38 37282E2934330232023A28246F5D0 wrote:
7nm is neat, but 5nm is neater, as is 3nm. watch out when you look at this one, realize that this is a REALLY BIG mainframe chipset from IBM being run off at 5nm -- not any little bitty phone SoC. But Intel is still stuck at 14nm in this turf area, so you get the importance that the IBM/Global/Samsung consortium folks are making it work right now at 5nm on much more hairy complex hard to do stuff (stuff that brings a much better price tag too). What you see here is Intel losing market share in yet another one of their key mainframe turf areas .... Intel is still stuck at 14nm in this particular turf area https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/6/5/15740500/ibm-5nm-gaafet-transistor-faster-more-efficient http://https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/YfPUxVnkG-OqWa_ruZ7zGGJ_4YI=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8632037/holding_5nm.jpg =================================================== Now cast your eyes on the picture below, because this is current 5nm memory that is in production right now ..... The 5nm chip uses a "gate-all-around" transistor (GAAFET), with the gate material wrapped around a trio of horizontal silicon "nanosheets," as compared to the vertical fin design (FinFET) that's used in current state-of-the-art chips. IBM claims that FinFET could possibly scale down to 5nm, but there's a performance ceiling on that design due to the limits of current flow through the minuscule fins at that scale. In a way, the gate-all-around architecture is more simple than FinFET, and can probably be scaled as far down as 3nm, according to Ars Technica. Simpler equals quicker and cheaper to make. Memory is being made as we speak with this 5nm lithography process and they are putting in lots of new 5nm memory production lines as fast as they are made available. Lots & lots of conjoined fast low power draw memory is a key element for everybody right now ...... http://https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/4Atu4NtROQTbmT593Aa6ktFy-oI=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8632033/5nm_transistors.jpg See how clean and neat the lines are at 5nm -- this EUV laser stuff is quite an improvement, really. Each one of the 3 stacked pellets is a transistor with the gate material being all around it and the FinFET being for conducting current flow and heat away from the stack of 3 transistors. When they get better at it, the stack count goes up for even more cost savings and smaller overall chip sizes. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/09/17 at 11:48:51 http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-mac-pc-market-share-slump-2017-7 This isn't news, just collaboration that EVERYTHING BUT CHROMEBOOKS is still going down-hill and Chromebooks are still rapidly growing. We are looking for that first AI augmented Chromebook to come out, or that first Qualcomm 835 Windows 10 laptop to come out to signal the real contest event's beginning. Until then we are just passing time until the fighters actually manage to get into the ring and then the Referees will strike the bell to start round one of the main event. While Gartner doesn't include sales of Apple iPads or Google's low-cost Chromebook laptops in its PC shipment numbers — reasoning that they don't generally compete for the same users as the mainstream PC — the firm does say that Chromebooks are still growing like crazy. In 2016, worldwide Chromebook shipments grew 38% from the prior year, far outpacing the 6% shrinkage of the overall global PC market. So far, similar numbers have been seen for the first half of 2017. Duh, Chromebooks are expected to be up by ~38%~ and PC down by ~6%~ same as last year ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/10/17 at 08:24:46 https://liliputing.com/2017/10/sifive-unveils-first-linux-ready-risc-v-processor.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/u54.jpg Chips made by Intel and AMD currently dominate the PC space, while most smartphones and tablets tend to feature processors based on ARM designs. There are few other options, but one of the most intriguing are chips based on the RISC-V architecture. Since 2010, the RISC-V project has been developing an open instruction set architecture as an open source, royalty-free alternative to x86 and ARM designs, among others. Now a company called SiFive has introduced the first RISC-V processor capable of supporting full-fledged operating systems including Linux, Unix, and FreeBSD. Why is this worth noting? I count 3 "real right now" current kickstarter programs trying to build a FOSS Linux based phone. One of them just passed it's 1.5 million dollar funding goal. When you FOSS design a 1.5 ghz quad core FOSS Linux telephone/tablet/laptop chipset, and get it tuned right and then let people just order runs off of it from TSMC (or order the chip quantities they need from LENARO who could act as a stocking point) then suddenly all these little cute items become possible off of kickstarters programs. Next, once you adopt all the tricks of AI/DynamIQ (done fully FOSS style of course) and the full use of AI booster blocks, then you can get considerable processing power out of a freebie 4 core RISC-V design. It is the 25-50x AI booster block portion that makes all the big horsepower anyway, not the slightly puny main processor portion. You may well see this stuff again later, and it may be worthy of some additional consideration at that point. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/10/17 at 09:43:34 I've been thinking that the nanometer race was trying to get the connections To the emitter/base/collecter areas smaller. I didn't know it was about the body of the transistors themselves. I saw what looked like a drop of something intended to be a transistor with the Gate all around it. Was that a diode? How are they making transistors themselves? Don't you have to have three parts to get an amplifier? The base , tiny power, controls the larger current through the collector/emitter? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/10/17 at 12:02:52 5E4147405D5A6B5B6B53414D06340 wrote:
That was a cross section view with the conductors sticking "up" towards the camera and "down" on the far side of the image. What you saw as the beads was the cross section slice of the diode portion itself which is in line with the connecting wires (which was the rest of the 3 stacked beads extending out in space). I'll spot you some better explanation when it becomes available -- right now 3 high (stacked) gate all around is completely state of the art and very proprietary and nobody is explaining it to anybody for much right now. http://https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/4Atu4NtROQTbmT593Aa6ktFy-oI=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8632033/5nm_transistors.jpg =================================================== What does this mean in reference to solid state drive sizes getting smaller and smaller? Well, first shot out of the gun is a 128 gigabyte solid state drive ..... with most of the item being the USB connector itself. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/sandisk-128x150.jpg Cost is another amazing benefit --- $30 for a 128 gig drive. I suspect the chip itself ball grid soldered directly to a motherboard would be a good bit cheaper to do as part of a finished phone or tablet or a laptop. Cheapest yet would be DESIGNED INTO THE layered SOC itself, and run off as part of the actual SOC chipset (Apple currently does it this way). |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/10/17 at 14:30:27 Brings that thirty KB hard drive into context.. That's just crazy.. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/10/17 at 14:58:03 Oh Justin, just park this YouTube up in your browser bar and watch it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwVdVY3XY9M [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwVdVY3XY9M[/media] Coming in only Six Days, the world will shift techtonically another 100 yards off that-a-way ..... Rumor has it that the Huawei Mate 10 is also a phone PC, so it may be a pretty strong fast AI powered phone PC when it ships --- we shall see. Kickstarter is working on 3 new laptop docks that are actually laptop shells as we speak, as folks find the laptop experience format very handy and portable compared to a DeX style dock for a desktop experience. And the laptop shell shown costs less than a DeX docking station from Samsung ..... ::) http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/openbook_04.jpg |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/10/17 at 16:14:10 Stuff has been changing so fast for so long,, just Wow.. I'm excited about the AI stuff coming out. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/11/17 at 01:03:34 Intel and Microsoft recognize that they totally missed the first part of the AI wave and are too far behind now to ever catch up in a meaningful AI fashion. They both acknowledge that AI tech will supplant traditional PC stuff inside the next calendar year and a half. Both are struggling to position themselves in the new AI reality ..... Nothing "Traditional PC" shall survive the 30x-50x AI wave that is coming. The passe' Wintel duo are now pouring all their development money now into Quantum Computing and are buying failed quantum computing start ups right and left in an attempt to get on board to that next Quantum wave from the very beginning. Intel for example just showed the world a non-working 17 Qbit Quantum Computing chip put together by a new company they just bought. (buying them for their patents, actually) By dropping all development efforts in the traditional PC space, Intel and to a lesser degree MS are simply abandoning the traditional PC space as completely out of their control. And all of the AI replacement tech they see coming all belongs to the DynamIQ standard and to the various FOSS consortiums involving Google, LENARO, IBM, Samsung, Huawei, TSMC and AMD/Global. =================================================== PREDICTION TIME: Microsoft completely drops their Qualcomm 835 based laptop ideas before any laptops are actually built, mainly because the AI based replacement chipsets as shown by Huawei next week are SO VERY MUCH BETTER. Qualcomm is all cash strapped itself now, and isn't a suitable supporting partner for the always cash strapped MS any more anyway. MS does try try try again with the up and coming AI Qualcomm SOC version which is coming out fresh next year, but by then MS will have been so fumbly slow to get the AI driven Win 10 ARM OS and AI driven Win 10 ARM Office software ready that MS eventually misses out on their come back chance yet again because they simply can't keep up with the speed that the phone zone change waves come up and go by a sluggish player like MS. QUALCOMM Finance sources are telling their followers NOT TO BUY QUALCOMM on this current market dip --- it isn't coming back up all the way this time. It may never come back all the way since all the big 3 phone makers and Apple are building their own basebands and radios now. Intel now sells a suitable radio and baseband if you don't want to build your own. Ditto for Samsung and Huawei and Mediatek, they've all got one for sale now too. Qualcomm's NXP merger plans are busy falling through now, and existing court judgements against Qualcomm are big enough now and numerous enough now to put them under water for well over a year if the big NXP merger payments do go through ..... The ongoing wave of lawsuit judgements for Qualcomm's past over-charges are large and they are MANY .... Qualcomm is unable to pay them all right now. In China and South Korea, Qualcomm is firmly enjoined to only charge royalties based on the actual cost of their chipsets, not the whole cost of the entire phone as they used to do. This royalty basis is rolling out across the rest of the world as we speak. Qualcomm isn't going to control anything with an iron fist any more. =================================================== Friday, Oct 13 Qualcomm just got hit with a new $775 Million Dollars in additional criminal [u]PENALTIES[/u] in South Korea for their original licensing scam's coercive illegalities. (you can't put a corporation in jail, so instead you fine the heck out of them, big enough $$$ to make it hurt, bad) Saturday, Oct 14 Microsoft announces an AI relationship with AMAZON HOME, with the two partnering technically on AI home devices to compete against Google's AI lead in the American domicile market. Microsoft is struggling to find some real relevance in the AI wave -- AMAZON may have indeed picked themselves up a Jr. partner with many many needs, a lot more needs than AMAZON has real uses for Microsoft right now as MS really brings very little real stuff to lay down on the table right now. I bet MS is promising to write the MS OFFICE world over to run on AMAZON's hardware base, ignoring all their past deals with Qualcomm (since Qualcomm can't hold up their end any more). AMAZON and Microsoft hope to build some relevance together, as they both need it, badly. AMAZON has a large installed base of ARM based tablets. lots of smart speakers and lots of video movies and content to run on them. AMAZON sells most of the PC type stuff that gets sold, so it could be a good move for MS going out into the future ..... If MS was planning on switching over to ARM this would make some sense as a first move, first go get you a ready customer base that is still growing instead of shrinking. Bet Jeff Bezos winds up "owning" MS by the time it is over, though..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/11/17 at 10:55:45 Sounds like a very high pressure situation to work in. Would've been fun forty years ago.. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/15/17 at 09:00:43 https://www.google.com/search?q=amazon+and+microsoft+partnership&oq=amazon+and+mic&aqs=chrome.2.0j69i57j0l4.5193j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Yes, it is a search page, so poke around and read until you get the flavor of it ..... this is potentially a major fusion of two larger players. Google and their OK GOOGLE AI are putting significant pressure on Amazon and their Alexa speaker based stuff -- so Amazon is willing to jump into bed with someone to get a better AI and Microsoft says they have one named Cortana and MS is willing to snuggle the two half naked girls up together inside the same devices. Sad part is that OK GOOGLE's AI already beats them each separately, and Google may well still beat them once they are fused together. AMAZON isn't an "in the device" AI house at all (Alexa sends all request up web to server farms, does search / display / etc there and then sends the answers back down to the device) and MS is relatively weak on the pure in device AI as well. My Google phone now keeps the map/tourist data in the device and does all calculations internal to the phone itself when I save the map ranges for what I am needing inside the phone's memory. I don't even have to have cell tower service up in the mountains to get what I need any more. And that includes on the fly verbal requests for gas stations, food, tourist site location info, etc. But I think it will be more of a contest with the 3 girls mud wrassling each other at the same time, I think. All the players will be forced to get a lot better much much quicker, and that is a good thing for us Savage riders. Right now when I am wearing mic equipped earbuds under my helmet (w/face shield down) I can just ask the cell phone sitting out the handle bars for whatever I need and it will do it / go get it / display it and give me the turn by turn navigation on how to get there. Hands off, no having to do anything but ask out loud. The full face helmet cuts out enough of the trash engine noise & the wind noise to allow it to work properly. 8-) What will it be like in two years, I wonder ...... http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOJU6kM5TkNBMVcgMMOe-Av5K6t0ySBeJkzj6Zi_AIOex8k4yl http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVbZ-p-tImC6WmoJ6nvs0eUvc45U5v_QT_HASpz6dpczpRzHZw |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/15/17 at 10:19:37 Right now when I am wearing mic equipped earbuds under my helmet (w/face shield down) I can just ask the cell phone sitting out the handle bars for whatever I need and it will do it / go get it / display it and give me the turn by turn navigation on how to get there. Hands off, no having to do anything but ask out loud. The full face helmet cuts out enough of the trash engine noise & the wind noise to allow it to work properly. That's too cool.. I didn't know a Stirling engine was able to accomplish anything more than a science project. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/15/17 at 10:26:48 203F393E23241525152D3F33784A0 wrote:
Take a look ..... these are 2-5 sealed systems using multiple Sterling engines to generate the electricity that runs the propeller and the rest of the sub's various systems. http://www.stirlingengines.org.uk/manufact/manf/misc/subm.html |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/15/17 at 12:03:02 Cut a sub in two... how fun.. I never considered a series hook up. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/15/17 at 14:13:08 I find it interesting that the Swedes hated nuclear enough to cut it out of an existing ship (along with the entire hot compartment complete) and replace that chunk of the sub with a relatively larger green power plant. I see some Rossi a headed that way during the next major refurb overhaul build === cheaper, cleaner, QUIETER and better ...... Ditto for diesel train engines, substation sized power plants, etc. etc. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/16/17 at 09:16:28 Apple enthusiasts judge the A-11 Bionic chipset and the Apple iPhone 8 to be a "skip" generation phone. It is not selling through worth doodly and Apple is cancelling large portions of the parts orders to build it. Folks are buying other phones if they have to get one, as $850 for a notably "better" UNLOCKED Huawei Mate 10 simply is a much better buy than an $1100 Apple A-11 (after you buy the required bells, cases, and whistles and gimcracks -- then go lock yourself into a very expensive exclusive phone plan for two years) Huawei bumps APPLE out of the #2 spot https://www.phonearena.com/news/Dock-for-Huawei-Mate-10-allows-it-to-be-used-as-a-PC-with-a-desktop-UI-for-Android-apps_id98506 Huawei is now the second largest smartphone manufacturer in the world, behind only Samsung. The Huawei Mate 10 could really help Huawei's market share if the device is as awesome as it appears to be. Powered by the home grown Kirin 970 chipset, which will include a dedicated AI chip, the Mate 10 can apparently be used as a PC with a large screened smart TV as a display. Miracast will be the conduit that connects the phone to a smart TV. Early word is that Qualcomm/Samsung's Snapdragon 835 is NOT THE HOTTEST CHIP ANY MORE, NOR IS THE APPLE A-11 BIONIC either. Huawei just lapped the both of them, supposedly. This was not an unexpected thing, so you can expect both Apple and Samsung to come out with their next generation chipsets ASAP. Apple wants their pride of place back and Samsung is now gunning to beat Apples's next out of the gate A-12 Bionic chipset as their next Samsung "to do list" item. Huawei has raised the bar for the both of them, and Mediatek has come out with a very canny, much stronger middle of the road chipset intended to re-absorb all the people wishing to avoid the $1,000 primo phone pissing contests. Two days later, Qualcomm comes out with their own much stronger middle of the road chipset intended to re-absorb all the people thinking about jumping ship to Mediatek's strong middle of the road chip. Only issue is price, the Qualcomm costs way more than the Mediatek, but has some nicer features for all that extra money. In both cases, the best middle of the road chipset is now similar in raw power to last year's primo chipsets, but using better modems, more/better memory, etc to actually perform a little better than last year's primo phones did ....... =================================================== When the fluff settles, you are going to have a crop of 3 very powerful primo chipsets (and some potential almost as good also-rans), each well able to run a laptop experience using Win 10, should MS actually pull their finger out of their nose sometimes next year and actually finish that Win 10 on ARM effort up completely. Look to see Google come out with Chromebook AI, in this same time frame, intending to quietly one up on MS's best Win 10 effort to date. =================================================== What can AI operating on a cell phone do, right now? This is a fair question as nobody has really optimized any apps for AI yet. Even so, an Android AI equipped Android phone can already do the following, right now. https://liliputing.com/2017/10/google-pixel-2-can-id-17000-songs-without-an-internet-connection.html How this is, I cannot say as no phone I know can hold 17,000 songs ---- or can it? I think that the new AI phones CAN hold a song index of some sort and a keep a source list of where to find the songs on the web for free. I bet after some learning, your phone will download the best of the stuff you'd might be interested in into a temp buffer, and then recommend that stuff to you upon request. As long as the system can stay out in front of you, you'd think it was all "instantaneous". =================================================== Microsoft and Intel Marketing Both of the old school boys are seeking relevance any way they can. For example, Intel buys a little company that can't get their Quantum processor to work and suddenly they are announcing a brand new 17 qubit quantum processor that will be ready "soon". Today Intel announce a graphics based AI processor that another purchased failed start up has put together, that Intel will begin making production runs of real "soon". (it runs off of Nvidia graphics core technology, so that ain't happening at all unless somebody pays Nvidia some REALLY BIG licensing fees) Microsoft announces Win 10 on ARM, that it is coming real soon, and also references Intel's promised AI chipset in the same sound bite so the reader is lead to assume the new Intel purchase was working in the ARM world instead of the x86 world but that it will be ready "real soon" ---- and then again having the reader once again assume it will be running Win 10 ARM when it comes. multiple "assumes" lead you astray, mostly Layers and layers of skillful brown vapor "assumptions" on top of a partially fertile seed taken from a "sold itself" company. With the husbandmen being some folks who couldn't get it to grow even if somebody else sprouted a 100% good seed for them. ================================================== Difference between Google, Linaro, ARM and the FOSS guys --- they don't pre-announce anything for much, for example ARM won't even announce new processor families until the first production is ready to SHIP in a finished product to distribution from one of their partners. When Google screws up, they just chop the project, never having made a bunch of promises or noise over it that leaves any kind of bad smell in the air. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/16/17 at 09:23:44 My first experience with Samsung was the cash registers about 25 years ago. They were dependable enough,just not too sophisticated. That changed quickly. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/18/17 at 14:04:58 https://liliputing.com/2017/10/samsungs-latest-android-phones-can-also-linux-desktops.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/dex_01-680x502.jpg Samsung says it’s developing an app called Linux on Galaxy that will let you load a DeX-compatible Linux environment. In other words, your Android phone could also be your GNU/Linux desktop PC. Developers have been finding ways to load Linux distributions on Android phones for years. But Linux on Galaxy is different in a few ways. First, it’s an experience that’s built and supported by the company that makes the phone. Second, it’s designed to work with a DeX station, which means it’s optimized for desktop usage. And third, today’s top phones have processors powerful enough to run Windows 10, so they should be able to handle desktop operating systems like Ubuntu, Debian, and Fedora Samsung has it's DeX station running a modified version of of Android 7 for over a year now. Now Android 8.0 is here and the same Android / Linux tricks are now even more accessible to all phones / phone makers. Samsung likes to do it better, so working off the DeX station as a starting point they now have a full Linux Distro that runs off the phone doing some of the old Ubuntu simo-boot tricks so the OS can be either / or at will. :P Ol Mickey isn't happy about this development, as Linux already has all sorts of free software, some quite good, that all costs you NOTHING to install and all future upgrades are free too. :P Mickey fully intended to use and "integrate/support" all that good software and charge money for the support package since they lost their own third party programmer base this past year when they changed up Win 10 so often that all of their out of house software writers all gave up on Windows 10 in pure aggravation & frustration. Now Samsung comes along to give it all away in a nice clean support package (or charge less than half of what Mickey charges, take your pick) So Mickey has just now became a key Leadership Council Member of the Linux Foundation this past month but has not yet declared all their existing real stuff to be free and open source (FOSS) just yet. And in a few months when Mickey finally finishes up their custom rip off of all Open Source Android and x86 drivers, then you can count on the resulting Mickey Win 10 on ARM OS becoming FOSS just as quickly as the necessary evidence can be put together by lawyers and presented in a court case ..... unless Mickey voluntarily goes ahead and goes 100% FOSS on the OS before then and just charges a relatively lot of support dollars for just their own relatively small amount of unique App software bits and pieces mixed in with a heapin' helping of that free FOSS stuff. :D ...... Red Hat has done it this way for the last longest and they get along just fine ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/19/17 at 02:37:03 Today, some small news. Samsung laps Intel yet again, this time by two generations not just one. Yep, 8nm Samsung is shipping right now and Intel still doesn't have anything 14nm chipset that works. Samsung laps 14nm Intel by two full lithography generational levels, 10nm and 8nm. If Intel manages to stay stuck on 14nm for another 6 months, that lap count could go up to 3 - 4 full generations as TSMC's and Samsung's 5nm and 7nm are coming out VERY soon. EVERYBODY else is at 10nm and is busy kicking down on their next level lower. Intel is deserving all the abuse anyone wishes to heap on them at this point. yep, it really is the same old lighthouse I've been showing you for 4 and a half years now -- man that ice is getting really really thick now. http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2013/04/02/Tom_Gill_lighthouse_(11)_20130402133154_640_480.JPG Can you tell which side of the lighthouse the lightkeeper likes to pee from? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/19/17 at 02:56:33 https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/10/17/16488414/intel-ai-chips-nervana-neural-network-processor-nnp Intel unveils new family of AI chips to take on Nvidia’s GPUs ha ! http://https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/7aZqtoyQHmwdsaphYnBRUKoWxlU=/0x0:1920x1080/1200x800/filters:focal(807x387:1113x693)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/57183047/14131_Nervana_Chip_Board_101217_angle2a.0.png When the AI boom came a-knocking, Intel wasn’t around to answer the call. Now, the company is attempting to reassert its authority in the silicon business by unveiling a new family of chips designed especially for artificial intelligence: the Intel Nervana Neural Network Processor family, or NNP for short. The NNP family is meant as a response to the needs of machine learning, and is destined for the data center, not your PC. Intel’s CPUs may still be a stalwart of server stacks (by some estimates, it has a 96 percent market share in data centers), but the workloads of contemporary AI are much better served by the graphical processors or GPUs coming from firms like Nvidia and ARM. Consequently, demand for these companies’ chips has skyrocketed. (Nvidia’s revenue is up 56 percent year on year.) Google has got in on the action, designing its own silicon named the Tensor Processing Unit to power its cloud computing business, while new firms like the UK-based Graphcore are also rushing to fill the gap. Intel’s response has been to buy up AI hardware talent. It purchased vision specialist Mobileye this March; the chipmaker Movidius (the firm responsible for the silicon in DJI’s autonomous drones) last September; and deep learning startup Nervana Systems in August 2016. Since then, it’s been busy teasing this line Neural Network Processors, which were previously known under the codename “Lake Crest.” The NNP chips are a direct result of its Nervana acquisition and fold in the company’s expertise to achieve “faster training time for deep learning models.” (Intel says it also took advice from Facebook on the chip’s design — but didn’t give much detail.) But how much faster exactly? Intel isn’t saying. While Google touted the launch of its latest-generation TPU chips by publishing head-to-head tests against rival hardware, Intel will only say that it’s on track to meet its goal of improving deep learning training speeds by 100 times by 2020. The company is similarly vague on when its NNP chips will be available to customers, though perhaps more details will leak out today. Some time before the end of the year in limited quantities is the expectation. Yes, Intel spent good money to buy this 200nm lithography "4 chips on a daughterboard" monstrosity that requires its own complete motherboard worth of supporting "excetera" stuff just so they could say they had a really functional (but slow as dog shite) AI processor. Intel was catching too much crap for showing off things THAT DID NOT WORK AT ALL -- so they bought themselves something that does work ...... :P (but just look at it --- it is glacially slow compared to modern ARM, AMD or Nvidia combined AI processor sets and the programming used for it is really PRE-historic compared to modern ARM standards). So, Intel can speed this thing up 100 times and it STILL won't be competitive ..... ..... just some more brown vapor double talk ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 10/19/17 at 08:46:18 One would have to assume that their estimate was based on converting the 200nm lith to 10nm lith |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/19/17 at 13:58:36 Yep, assuming Intel actually can get their 10nm stuff to work right sometimes fairly soon. Sad thing is that the ARM leaders will be at 7nm FinFET verging on the edge of 5nm Gate All Around by the time that happens. They will also be slinging full AI implementations at those very low lithography levels. Intel will never catch up, never. Microsoft is currently making a really big thing out of using full sized (large) old style laptop batteries to drive modern cell phone based ARM chipped laptop designs (Snapdragon 835 being specific) for days and days and days on a single charge ---- but duh, Chromebooks have been doing this same trick for YEARS now and have actually decreased both the size and the voltage of the Chromebook's batteries to be only a day and a half of run time as the best fit of needs to technology. Chromebooks really don't feel the extra battery weight that never gets used is an efficient use of resources, it is just waste, muerta, just more sunk cost and more dead weight to carry around with you. Make no mistake, Win 10 ARM is still a tremendous bloated porker compared to Chromebooks, however, it is a lot better than it used to be. Credit given where credit is due. (a small amount of credit is due) But this does not mean using cheap BS brown vapor MS marketing tricks should rule the day either. Simply because you are locked into an old style, huge, high voltage battery set because of your continuing use of high voltage old style everything else does not mean you get to claim it as a "world beating feature" ..... Google is waiting for MS to get completely and firmly out on the level playing field and then Chromebook AI will get trotted out with some large 20x-30x multiple of throughput increases to blow MS's best efforts with Snapdragon 835 way way way on off into the weeds. To get the sniff of it, watch the first AI integrated phone chips (Kirin 970, etc) to get a feel for the throughput advantages that Chromebook AI will have when it gets here. MS will then HAVE to fairly quickly follow the world on over to run on generic ARM AI / DynamIQ based chipsets and that spells the end for Intel as they got NOTHING to compete against that. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Google can easily do this next year because they can put the AI advantages right on deep inside the ChromeOS and deep into the vendor's AI implementations and they can do this across the board because ARM/LENARO keeps the DynamIQ standards sets for everybody. And if it is part of the base standard, then EVERYBODY can do it ...... automatically. (And guess what, recent commitments to the ChromeOS GIT hub repositories show that this sort of work has already begun). Microsoft Win 10 ARM as currently proposed is actually running an emulated layered x386 based system and it can't ever take full advantage of all the Google ARM natural AI tricks until MS rewrites itself as a full natural ARM DynamIQ natural operating system. This will take them about a year and a bit to do (and to maybe have to suffer through at least one Intel lawsuit which will take about 2 years to resolve). This is lots of time for ARM DynamIQ to forge on ahead into areas far far beyond Wintel's wildest dreams. This means MS gets to try to compete against ARM as a whole, sadly something they will lose at badly. So, we note that larger and larger AI processing blocks are already going into the various newer ARM AI chips as part of the ARM DynamIQ AI standard, and then there are those brand new "extra" separate AI booster blocks that are now part of the DynamIQ standard that can raise throughputs still way higher, up to levels we have simply never seen before. Next year, it all gets real and it all gets REVEALED ..... ;) Speaking of "reveal" Google has just admitted to sneaking an AI block into the Pixel 2 Plus phone, to help out with camera and graphics tasks. =================================================== http://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/huawei-kirin-970-soc-launched-heres-how-it-compares-with-qualcomm-snapdragon-835-apple-a10x-fusion-and-others-4005973.html http://www.firstpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Huawei-Kirin-970-825px.jpg p://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/huawei-kirin-970-soc-launched-heres-how-it-compares-with-qualcomm-snapdragon-835-apple-a10x-fusion-and-others-4005973.html There is a complex cross vendor SOC performance comparison chart in here that won't cut and paste to our list's YaBB system, so you gotta click to go here to take a look at it. http://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/huawei-kirin-970-soc-launched-heres-how-it-compares-with-qualcomm-snapdragon-835-apple-a10x-fusion-and-others-4005973.html "The Kirin 970 chipset is powered by an octa-core CPU built using 10 nm fabrication process. Huawei has also added a 12-core GPU in the package to ensure that the device can perform graphics-intensive AI jobs without any problem. The company is touting massive performance gains in AI-processing related jobs because of the presence of the dedicated NPU. According to the company, the NPU results in 25x improvement of performance and 50x improvement in efficiency. The best part about this NPU is that developers can use the NPU for their 3rd-party applications using the Kirin AI API making Kirin 970 ‘open platforms for mobile AI’. The SoC packs about 5 billion transistors. The company announced that Kirin 970 will debut on 16 October with Huawei Mate 10. With the launch of this SoC, we thought that this is the right time to compare the flagship mobile SoCs from leading mobile manufacturers. We have taken the major mobile SoCs in the market like Snapdragon 835 by Qualcomm, Apple A10X Fusion, Samsung Exynos 9 Series (8895) and Helio X30 by MediaTek in addition to Huawei Kirin 970. One thing to note here is that the performance of the mobile SoC varies significantly on what kind of hardware configuration, operating system, and processor layout is employed by the OEM along with the built in SOC cooling facility. Due to such a comprehensive list of variables, we are only taking in account the specification of SoC on paper. In addition, a number of companies especially Apple have not specified some of the details about their SoC implementation. Here is how Huawei's Kirin 970 stacks against the competition." |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/19/17 at 14:54:24 Go back in your mind about a year ago, when Intel and MS first decided to lock down your PC hardware so you HAD to run their proprietary Wintel softwares and only their proprietary Wintel softwares. They intended to block out Linux and other FOSS softwares by any method they could use. They first tried Bios level locks, but those quickly got worked around, then they tried dedicated nanny chips and those got worked around then they put it the block out deep deep into the Intel CPU hardware itself and wrote it into the system level Win 10 software such that the machine won't even post at boot time unless both pieces are present, thinking that finally locked out Linux to the ultimate degree. https://liliputing.com/2017/10/purisms-linux-laptops-now-ship-intel-management-engine-disabled.html Read it and simply realize that the real final answer is going to be when you the consumer simply REFUSE to buy a locked down locked out machine, this action taken by you will force Intel and MS to stop their restrictive BS nonsense. Or, better yet, simply shift over to a platform that doesn't do that sort of crap. Prediction: Win 10 ARM loses a great deal of that sort of stuff as the ARM boys are actually shipping a generic cell phone chipset with no intention of locking them down in any fashion at all (and thereby reducing the potential customer base for that chipset). Plus, to the FOSS mindset the entire idea of "hardware lockdown" is complete ANATHEMA and arguably is hastening Intel's demise by force rolling Windows 10 users over to ARM chipsets. Explain to me please, how MS and Intel want to be on the Linux Foundation Leadership Council when they are shipping locked down units right now with this anti-FOSS crap on it? KICK THEM OFF THE LINUX COUNCIL until they pull their heads out of their asses. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/19/17 at 17:04:14 Fresh within the last hour ...... http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2017/10/intel_begins_layoffs_in_financ.html Intel has begun notifying workers in its finance group that their jobs will be eliminated early next year, according to multiple employees familiar with the plans. The chipmaker had warned staff last summer that these cuts were coming, part of a broader plan to bring down spending. Last year Intel whacked 15,000 people and declared to the world that they were leaving consumer electronics for greener IoT and database/server pastures, forever, never to return. Those greener pastures turned out to have herds of aggressive ARM cattle already living on them, ARM cows with long wicked fast horns that gored Intel badly when Intel breezed in to "take over the world". Intel got kicked out of the new promised land by these real world ARM competitors, mainly because Intel was so very very far from being a real competitor in those new ARM based worlds. Totally pitiful, actually. Intel then came limping back to Consumer Electronics land A FULL YEAR LATER, A FULL YEAR FURTHER BEHIND TECHNOLOGICALLY AND A FULL YEAR MORE "OUT OF DATE" ON ALL FRONTS and so far Intel has done nothing practical to improve on this miserable miserable sad state of things except cut tons and tons of people and buy more toy drone companies. To cap it off, during the long one year Intel absence AMD had joined the ARM camp and completely disavowed their old x86 heritage. After having done an across the line DynamIQ ARM redesign AMD immediately began kicking Intel's butt badly by using their new ARM technologies and philosophies built at Global Foundries at several nanometer levels, but all of them were less than 14nm. AMD and ARM have now taken ~25%~ of Intel's consumer "enthusiast gaming" market share in only 4 months as measured at that point in time ..... So, Intel begins to respond by adding extra cores to all their chipsets at 14nm, using the same amounts of the same sorts of memory so the net results are not really able to overcome the combined edge AMD had made for themselves using ARM design patterns at smaller lithography levels. AMD is putting both graphics and light duty AI functions into their designs and selling them for 20-30% less than Intel does, no matter what Intel gives out for a price drop this week. Intel also has NOT REALLY MET any of the lower AMD pricing, but apparently thinks they deserve 20%-50% extra just because they are "Intel Inside". :P This is mostly prideful "stupid" talking and this trick is losing market share for Intel week on week ...... Now Intel has got to go cut some 1,400 more people to appease Wall Street, and the ones that get let go this time are going to be the bean pickers themselves, as they add nothing to the bottom line (and they are still around to be cut as bean pickers never seem to cut their own jobs willingly). These are core central key functional jobs, and it signals a company shrinkage that is both permanent and not likely recovered from. You have heard the term "cut and build" before, right? It is when you cut the ones you really don't need and add in the ones that will bring in some real money. Intel is running around buying failing AI companies and buying not working Quantum computing companies and Intel is still chopping off all the rest of the remaining old key x86 support people, apparently by doing so functionally acknowledging that x86 business is already lost at this point in time. Intel will send their next knee jerks signals (panic reactions) when MS starts the flow of ARM based Win 10 laptops -- trying to defend a "preeminence" that frankly no longer exists. The first Qualcomm 835 based Win 10 ARM laptop units will be attractive, but will be somewhat over priced. They will still take an immediate 30%-50% market share, but this lost share will come from Wintel's own old product lines as that is what is going to happen naturally anyway. No one will want to buy old kudgy slow high voltage Intel tech any more. The instant response from Google will be Chromebook AI and it will be crushingly fast. MS will regroup Win 10 on Qualcomm's next AI based top dog SOC and, if they are smart, a couple of other vendor's top dog AI chipsets as well. HOWEVER, middle of the road ARM AI SOCs are really the key to MS surviving, really -- if Win 10 ARM runs well on these mid-range ARM AI SOCs then MS remains a player out into the future. Run well on Mediatek and Rockchip, Microsoft, or you too will fade away ...... At this time if Intel still has nothing to put out on the playing field then they are done. If they are desperate enough to sue MS (to make them pause in place) in an act of pure obstructionism then they are done. Linux will still be out there, clearly available and running on the ARM AI based SOCs better and cleaner and cheaper than Win 10 can do. Chromebook AI will be looking better and better all the time and will still likely always be 25-30% cheaper than the current Win 10 machines. The AI Chromebook will slowly become a serious player in business if Google doesn't get played by some contrived, arranged third party lawsuits again this time around. If some sort of x86 consortium forms to defend x86 by some sort of concerted trollish legal actions against Android or Linux, well then you will likely see Fuschia's Zircon crystal razor edge come out, slicing through these obstructions by a real threat of complete replacement. Once people realize how fast "a built for AI" OS really is, it will gradually take over naturally anyway. Within the next 10 years, big iron and the data farms will get replaced by many many times fewer Quantum computing boards (sitting around in vats of liquid nitrogen no less). Your AI driven handheld local equipment will be able to communicate so freely through 5g and new and even better air and laser optical cable driven means that the superfast inter-device communications will never hit a slow spot any more no matter which local device you are using. ================================================== HEY, Google did something really really new this time -- it keys into them owning their own phone company again and taking control of their own future pathway accordingly. Without saying anything they augmented a "top of the line" Qualcomm SOC by adding in an external AI adder block that totally redid Qualcomm's vaunted Adreno 540 GPU/Camera output to make it completely world class and they ADDED AI functions to the Pixel 2 XL. Yep, the Pixel 2 XL is an AI augmented phone done by retrofit ..... yeah, AI can do shite like that ::) Did they totally just say Qualcomm's current best SOC isn't nearly good enough? Yep, they just did. Not nearly good enough. So, notice is served, HEY QUALCOMM if you don't keep up technically or get all bullheaded and prideful you may just wind up being "helped along" some by custom designed AI adder blocks. Or else not used at all. ::) A lesser vendor, say Mediatek, that fully adheres to the DynamIQ standards can be easily magnified in power to beat the head dog's current SOC, should the head dog start balking at the leash and growling at people. Or going too slow because fat dumb ol' Mickey holding on to the other end of the leash simply can't waddle fast enough to keep up with the crowd .... And a stronger, quicker mid-line vendor, say like Huawei, that fully adheres to the DynamIQ standards can easily magnify itself in power to beat up the head dog's next newest "greatest SOC" by their own additional use of AI adder blocks -- which is what Huawei just did with the Kirin 970 and the Mate 10 XL PC / Phone. And they can do it again at the six months mid year point very cheaply and easily by just beefing up the memory and the external AI block. See Huawei keep that #2 spot and start working on taking #1 if Qualcomm doesn't quit waiting around on Mickey to catch up / keep up. Samsung will now have to begin to rely on their own AI SoCs completely again as Qualcomm simply isn't bringing the best to the party any more and Samsung has to see a homegrown easier and cheaper pathway to stay in #1 position. You can tell how fast things are evolving by Qualcomm's dropping the Snapdragon 835, then dropping the Snapdragon 836 Improved, then dropping Samsung Foundry (10nm) process completely by mid 2018 and then moving on to the 840 SOC on 7nm TSMC, then dropping it before it is actually built and going with the much much more complex and advanced 845 AI on 7nm TSMC all in the space of two-three-four months of current production planning change wave speeds. Qualcomm sees what is happening, and has to realize they cannot keep up with the speed of the change wave while carrying 'ol Porky Slow Minded Mickey up on their shoulders. Oh, and about old porky slow minded Mickey ---- they are jest simply shocked they can't get their favorite laptop folks to commit to building their "Chromebook beating" Win 10 ARM laptops using a 2016 designed Snapdragon 835 chipset, a chipset that was developmentally dropped by Qualcomm over six months ago. ..... keep up, Mickey, at least try to keep up ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/30/17 at 03:59:14 Well, I done went all quiet for a week and a bit now because I was in the hospital after a simple outpatient prostrate TURP procedure which bled profusely and wouldn't stop. Now I am home for a few days before getting a PAE procedure done that is supposed to stop the TURP from bleeding. I really think current med school graduates do not really understand Warfarin (Cumadin) ie rat poison's use as a blood thinner for artificial heart valves. So, here is a week and a half's worth of progress from Intel and MS. First, Intel. After running that 10nm line for at least SIX full trial lots at EXTREMELY high rejection rates Intel is going to ship several different part numbers of the exact same SOC from a SIX LOT REJECTION POOL (a defect sorting job). They were all intended to be the same first line chipset from the 2016 era, but they are now graded in groups of decreasing ability. READ the REVIEWS on these 10nm chipsets carefully as it is well known that the original 10nm lots did not perform even as good as the current 2016 year model 14nm Intel part numbers could do. Also watch out because the several groups of down graded 10nm trial run sorted parts perform at even LESS than the now outdated original spec's (from TWO YEARS AGO) was supposed to do. What will happen is that laptop vendors will place orders for the good stuff and at the time they are scheduled to build they find out that only the sub-grades are available at all, so they will be forced to quietly use them and they WON"T WANT TO TELL YOU, the actual end user, about the last minute substitution. Expect your 3 legged Intel dog to limp some...... Intel desperately needed a promised big headline this week AND they needed to move some of the mass of those failed Trial Run parts. REMEMBER, THE DESIGN ON THESE THINGS IS TWO YEARS OLD AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND IS NOT COMPETITIVE TO ARM AT ALL in late 2017 time period, much less in 2018 when they actually really ship in real products as "Intel’s finest 10nm chips coming in 2017 (in small quantities)". Buyer Beware, boys and girls, Buyer Beware. https://liliputing.com/2017/10/intels-first-10nm-chips-coming-2017-small-quantities.html Intel’s first 10nm chips coming in 2017 (in small quantities) Intel is finally getting ready to launch its first chips manufactured on a 10nm process. The company had planned to move to 10nm in 2016, but a series of setbacks have prevented that from happening. That led to Intel basically blowing up its usual “tick tock” release schedule and sticking with 14nm for the past four chip generations, although each new model has had some enhancements and optimizations. But as 2017 draws to a close, Intel CEO Brian Krzanich says the company is “on track to ship our first low-volume 10-nanometer part by the end of the year.” Speaking during the company’s most recent earnings call, Krzanich said Intel plans to ramp up production in the first half of 2018, with “high volume and system availability in the second half of 2018. In other words, the first 10nm chips from Intel are coming this year. But the processors, which are code-named “Cannon Lake,” will only be available in limited quantities and you may have to wait until mid-2018 at the soonest to walk into a store and by a PC powered by one of the new processors. Oddly, Intel is expected to brand the chips as part of the 8th-gen Intel Core processor family, which already includes 14nm Kaby Lake Refresh chips for laptops and Coffee Lake processors for desktops. It’s going to get even tougher to tell one Intel chip apart from another just by glancing at the name. There are usually clues in the model number, but you kind of need a decoder ring to decipher all the numbers and letters. BUYER BEWARE, boys and girls, BUYER BEWARE Don't buy a 10nm Intel anything until the next generation of parts is designed in 2019-2020 and built on a corrected Intel 10nm process, then watch those reviews to see if you are really getting anything AT ALL for the extra money. So far that is NOT TRUE AT ALL for anything 10nm from Intel. =================================================== MS has let the progress wave go right on past them yet again, with their software all custom designed to fit the Qualcomm 835, now finding that the new Qualcomm 845 is what is now set up on all the production lines at Samsung which are running at capacity for next year's products. NOTE: Samsung is keeping all the best tested 845 SoCs for their Galaxy S9 and the Galaxy Note 9 for next year and only passing on the lesser tested units to Qualcomm to sell to the general market. Technically, Samsung has a lock on the first production lots (large production quantities) so the S9 family can come out as a world beater product. Question becomes, can Mickey retune their clumsy, kluged together drivers for Win 10 for ARM over to Snapdragon 845 SOC fast enough to actually produce and ship something tangible before the next change wave crashes over their feet and runs on past them yet again ????? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/30/17 at 07:08:28 They keep trying to get me to bend over. I'm not willing. Hope you're alright. I'd sure hate to be in such a bind for parts that I had to ship what didn't pass QC. |
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Title: pRe: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/30/17 at 08:09:57 They should just rename it and spec the new part number out at only what it can really really do ...... What throws folks using Intel is that the general product name that shows up in reviewer's testing tables was done using the first quill primo product that tests at xx,xxx and what they actually ship to you is a sub-variant that only does y,yyy but nobody really tells you that it is the sub-variant is what is being used in product xyz being shipped from China. Qualcomm did this in years past, for example when they had to performance sort all the 810's and the downgrade products 808 and 805 were born accordingly. Qualcomm was up front about what they were doing, at that time at least. Intel prefers to just set up confusing "ever moving" part numbers and just refer to all of them in general as "the 810's" ..... Google's Nexus 5x product got bit by this sorting crap two years ago as the first mgf lots of Nexus 5x got supplied with sub par sorted parts by Qualcomm ---- and they all failed by boot loop errors inside the first 2 years. Google and HTC and LG ate all the associated failure costs as they couldn't prove what Qualcomm had actually done to them. This is why I always tell you if Intel or Qualcomm is supplying Apple or Microsoft with a brand new part number, Apple or Microsoft gets all the good tested parts and everybody else gets the leavings. (it is the Intel / Qualcomm way). |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 10/31/17 at 06:30:39 0B141215080F3E0E3E06141853610 wrote:
Friday I go back in for an outpatient PAE surgery to fix what my urologist did to me. And no, I am not a happy camper as I am still bleeding. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 10/31/17 at 08:07:40 My dad had the 'rotor rooter' job and is still having problems 2 months later. Hope yours heals faster. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/01/17 at 11:43:50 http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/dbf.jpg The big sell off of old tech begins ....... early. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by verslagen1 on 11/01/17 at 14:29:02 They must not expect to run out of them any time soon. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/02/17 at 03:48:30 https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/19/16502538/mobile-ai-chips-apple-google-huawei-qualcomm https://www.androidauthority.com/smartphone-ai-processor-803019/ Do you need an AI chip in your phone? What specifically does it do for you? Think of it as sorta like a "math co-processor" --- you can live without it but it can really speed up certain types of tasks. One of the things folks have written already for their built in AI adder blocks to do is to make COMMON BENCHMARK TESTS move a lot faster. And make their phone's graphics in general move a lot faster in general. Having done this, Huawei can make their LAST YEARS big and slow "also ran" CPU/SOC suddenly outpace all of the top dogs of today. Is it Cheating? Yes and no, it was done on purpose so the results shown by common benchmarks ARE BETTER, but that is because the graphics in general are moving that much faster and as more and more "optimization" is done on more apps and other things they will run much faster too. As more things get optimized to use the AI "co-processor" more items will pick up the 20X speed increase that comes with it. Next, compared to running a task through the main CPUs, that AI block is fantastically more energy efficient than the old school CPU tech. Plus the task is DONE much faster too. This counts for a lot in phones. Faster and more energy efficient is a real win-win in phones. Next, doing it "on device" saves you double on the cell data charges for that crunching that item, as the data does not have to go up to the servers and then back down to you for you to see a task completed. You will see a lot less dead time delay, too ..... Buy in for AI is pretty much complete across all the big boys now, and will show up en masse starting summer of next year. App writers are able to get the tools they need to learn how to use AI properly right now for free -- Google has a set of tools that work right now on all Android phones that are made to the DynamIQ standard right now at zero cost (and you can use the Google Tensor Flow AI servers to do all your calc work very rapidly for free). Google now has their Main Data Farm tensor software busy teaching itself how to AI convert your old Android apps, so before very long you can get your AI conversions done by Google fast and free. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/03/17 at 23:03:40 https://liliputing.com/2017/11/bloomberg-broadcom-may-buy-qualcomm.html https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-03/broadcom-is-said-to-explore-deal-to-acquire-chipmaker-qualcomm-j9k6u92n Qualcomm has fouled its nest rather badly of late ---- and the stock price as of today reflects these market place and legal errors. See Broadcom attempt to capitalise on these errors to pick up wounded duck Qualcomm for cheap. Or "to merge" with Qualcomm, if your mind tends to work that way ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/06/17 at 07:37:04 Intel is firing off all their brown vapor cannons again ..... claiming vast new partnerships with ARM, AMD, IBM and others. You see, Intel has no new worthwhile IP of their own any more, but they are trying to do the old "let's make a partnership" and then Intel will write up a new Intel standard then "assume control of things" trick yet again. In the last week I have seen Intel going over to ARM tech, going over to IBM tech, using AMD's new SOC tech all of which are complete conflicting competitor packages. Intel has joined FOSS and joined Linux and done all sorts of strange miraculous things all in this past week ---- all the while the Intel vendor/builder chain is busy selling off all existing Intel based pre-built units just as fast as they can. Do you sniff some panicky Intel churning going on? Here is the bottom line, Intel simply isn't the biggest dog anymore, and if Qualcomm mates up with Broadcomm guess who rules computing going on out into the future. Intel certainly isn't ruling anything any more unless somebody is stupid enough to let them take control of their IP and standards (and by that I mean ARM, FOSS, Linux, AMD, IBM, etc etc) ==================================================== Intel has just "rewritten" the DynamIQ standard to do it Intel's way. Oh, they haven't really written the standard, they have just "announced it" that they plan to write a new standard. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/06/17 at 08:20:36 https://liliputing.com/2017/11/broadcom-makes-a-130-billion-offer-to-buy-qualcomm.html Broadcom is offering to buy Qualcomm for $140 billion (although, as Bloomberg notes, the acquisition would include $25 billion of debt, which makes this more of a $105 billion deal). Qualcomm, meanwhile, is in the process of finishing up a deal to acquire NXP Semiconductors. Broadcom says its offer is good whether that deal closes or not. Qualcomm, meanwhile, isn’t saying much about Broadcom’s offer yet. The company put out a statement saying that it “today confirmed that it has received a non-binding, unsolicited proposal from Broadcom Limited.” Basically, the Qualcomm board of directors will look at the offer and decide how to respond… although Bloomberg’s sources say that Qualcomm officials will reject the deal, arguing that the Broadcom offer is too low. Personally, I find it interesting that the offer comes at a time when Qualcomm is one of the dominant players in the smartphone space… but the company is also poised to become a player in the PC market. Microsoft, Qualcomm, and PC makers have been working together to develop Windows devices that are powered by Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 processors. The first devices in this new category could ship by the end of the year, and the idea is to offer low-power, always-connected computers that run full-fledged Windows software and offer long battery life. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/06/17 at 08:40:30 https://liliputing.com/2017/11/intel-launch-laptop-chip-amd-radeon-graphics.html Read this for an example of Intel just making stuff up on the fly, putting out a power point slide and "being in charge" all over again. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/intel-plus-amd_02.jpg Once again, there is no real integration, just a couple of separate competitor products slammed on to a daughter board along with an Intel CPU. But that is all that Intel has to offer. A BS powerpoint slide. Look to see Qualcomm 835 and more modern chipsets move on into laptop space and take over, shortly, next year (assuming Microsoft can keep up any at all on the OS programming side of things). Also note that ARM (Mediatek) and Google have now begun distributing Chipset Specific ARM DynamIQ packages that include the current applicable Android release, all being shipped at the same time that the Mediatek SOC trays ship from TSMC. You are now getting a complete turn key set up now, taped right on the Mediatek SOC trays. This makes it painless for the phone makers to keep up during this critical phase in period. Mediatek's little guy customers just need to follow the program as lined out on the Data Sheets. Realize that the Huawei booster tricks have now moved into full distribution mode now from Mediatek and Google, and all that 20x AI process improvement stuff is moving into the main stream starting right now. Intel is looking at a world of hurt, as the "future stream" has now parted ways and is flowing around them and is moving forward for both Android phones, Android phone PCs and Chromebooks. And if Mickey is smart, they will get with the program and support these new ARM SOCs with a real, native Win 10 ARM just as fast as they can. So far Mickey can't even begin to keep up though, way too much "not invented here" porky fat and pure Mickey "slow" is getting in the way. ================================================== 2018 will be the year of the fast memory backed AI "adder block" being slapped on to existing SoC designs, giving 20x improvements on a growing list of functions. This will lead to an "age of benchmark BS" -- with the existing traditional old benchmarks being the first things "AI optimized" and totally blown away. Us poor end users will not be able to sort "brown vapor" from real progress by just looking at performance benchmarking tables until a new set of benchmarks (built specifically for the AI world) are going to have to be created. Isn't it all just cheating? Yes and no, optimized features really will run 20 TIMES faster, but not your entire device, making the progress kinda sorta REAL as long as you keep to the optimized features. "% that is AI optimized" may be as good a bench mark as we can come up with in 2018. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/08/17 at 07:03:33 https://liliputing.com/2017/11/first-look-intel-amd-chip-wild-allegedly.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/kaby-lake-g.jpg Yep, it's Intel alright --- looky at all the additional crap required on the motherboard (all needed just to make it work) https://liliputing.com/2017/11/benchmarks-leak-intels-new-cpus-amd-graphics.html https://liliputing.com/2017/11/first-look-intel-amd-chip-wild-allegedly.html We got some numbers on the new quad-core Intel processors based on the company’s Kaby Lake architecture paired with a custom AMD Radeon graphics processor (with 24 compute units and 1536 stream processors). The result is two processors that should be able to outperform any Intel mobile chips with integrated Intel HD graphics… but which should (at least theoretically) consume less power than a typical laptop with an Intel processor and discrete graphics. Tweaktown notes that the Core i7-8809G seems to have about 3.3 TFLOPs of total raw compute performance, which is about half of what you’d get with an Xbox One X game console. So if you want a 4K gaming machine, you’re probably better off building your own desktop or buying a high-end console. But that’s still pretty impressive for a laptop-class processor. So, Intel really wanted AMD's graphics chipset not only because it is better than what Intel has graphically (by a country mile) but because AMD Graphics has integrated AI capabilities that Intel completely lacks at this point in time. Note that all the speed increase and the lowered power requirements comes from the AMD graphics chipset, and that Intel actually brings nothing of consequence to the party. Indeed, the stock AMD console chipsets (with built-in AMD processor) does TWICE AS GOOD as the Intel BS mash up. Also note that the plan is to TOTALLY NOT USE the Intel On-Board Graphics that is about half of the Intel daughter board arrangement. Marketing, Intel style -- make a brand new hot mess and claim it is twice as good (compared to your own pitiful BS from last year). AMD Console boxes from last year are right now TWICE AS GOOD as your new hot mess, but don't point that out, Intel, keep that little bit a deep dark secret. AMD is getting ready to put out their next wave of fully integrated laptop SOC chipsets -- guess what they are looking to trounce upon out of the gate very very decidedly. All this "doubling this" and "twice as good as that" is REALLY JUST ABOUT MEANINGLESS during this AI phase in time span, as 20 TIMES improvement ranging up to 50 TIMES improvement for AI learned/executed items is out there on the table for next year's 2018 time frame. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/08/17 at 18:17:43 https://www.anandtech.com/show/12017/intel-to-develop-discrete-gpus-hires-raja-koduri-as-chief-architect Well, it didn't take very long for Intel to go back to being Intel. Immediately after "announcing" their new AMD based (somewhat bastardized conglomerated "laptop daughterboard contraption deal") using an existing Intel CPU and an AMD Graphics Array (with AI built in) Intel has now immediately broken ranks, trashed the just born deal and has stolen AMD's Graphics Designer into Intel employment and Intel has now announced they now lead the world in GRAPHICS ARRAY DESIGN. Ha ! "On Monday, Intel announced that it had penned a deal with AMD to have the latter provide a discrete GPU to be integrated onto a future Intel SoC. On Tuesday, AMD announced that their chief GPU architect, Raja Koduri, was leaving the company. Now today the saga continues, as Intel is announcing that they have hired Raja Koduri to serve as their own GPU chief architect. And Raja's task will not be a small one; with his hire, Intel will be developing their own high-end discrete GPUs. Starting from the top and following yesterday’s formal resignation from AMD, Raja Koduri has jumped ship to Intel, where he will be serving as a Senior VP for the company, overseeing the new Core and Visual Computing group. As a chief architect and general manager, Intel is tasking Raja with significantly expanding their GPU business, particularly as the company re-enters the discrete GPU field. Raja of course has a long history in the GPU space as a leader in GPU architecture, serving as the manager of AMD’s graphics business twice, and in between AMD stints serving as the director of graphics architecture on Apple’s GPU team." http://https://images.anandtech.com/doci/12017/new-mcm-small_575px.jpg Please excuse me if I look a bit constipated -- I just got indoctrinated as a new vice-president by the entire 24 man Board of Directors -- I now personally know what "Intel Inside" REALLY REALLY means on a corporate level ..... Intel is wanting to strongly signal a wish or an intent -- it does not mean they can really pull it off by just hiring one key player away from AMD. It certainly does not mean it will be done in one to two years in any case considering the glacial rate at which Intel innovates of late. Intel has taken a dump on AMD's head again, certainly, but AMD has had Intel crap on their head before, it isn't news that Intel will shite all over a business partner if they see any advantage for them at all in taking a vertical dump at your geographic location. Intel wants Wall Street to believe they are now ready to go take on Nvidia and Automotive AI. Ha! |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/09/17 at 02:55:36 https://www.extremetech.com/computing/245496-qualcomm-announces-partnership-microsoft-48-core-falkor-cpus-run-windows-server http://https://images.techhive.com/images/article/2015/10/chip-100620923-large.jpg Qualcomm just shipped the first REAL production lots of this huge ARM server chip -- 24 to 48 core sets -- ARM v8 64 bit -- DynamIQ compatible. Currently built by Samsung at 10nm lithography with plans to drop on down to 7nm from TSMC later on next year in 2018 no less. Seems like good 'ol Intel is growing them some serious DynamIQ competition in every single computing niche that they have ever owned. The "chip thickness" shown is lots and lots of stacked local fast access memory, the 48 core sets in the center all have lots of fast L3 cache memory immediately available to them on the chip die itself. Microsoft, Google and Amazon are the first buyers of these very first lots of trial chips -- the inherent ARM energy savings over Intel products is a really big thing, don't cha know ...... Driving these companies is a desire to cut energy costs and make better use of power in their data centers. "The limiting factor is always how much power you can get in the building," Gavrielov of Xilinx said. "If you can come up with a low-power solution, that will be very attractive to them." =================================================== Articles I have read recently mention that this grouping of early subscribers are all part of a "NO INTEL INSIDE" cooperative standards group who are VERY VERY tired of being price gouged by Intel all the time. These very first Qualcomm / Samsung production lots shown above are being sold at a "reasonable and repeatable profit level" for only around $2,000 per chipset. When TSMC begins to crank them out in bulk at 7nm then the core counts per wafer will go up by over 30%, AND simply because of this simple silicon die size/population savings the chipsets will actually get CHEAPER, not more expensive. If you price this level of performance at roughly $1750 and suddenly you will have a HUGE upper end computing revolution going on. Yep, the existing Intel Xenon based systems will lack a third of the ARM core count and LACK ALL THE BUILT IN AI CAPABILITIES (and also will burn WAY WAY more power and required large built in place cooling systems of industrial size) plus these existing Intel Xenons cost a HUGELY INFLATED / GOUGY ~ $19,998 each right now. :o yep, 10 times more $$$$ cost gets you so much less from good 'ol price gougy Intel. Intel, can we predict your "price gouging tricks" are going to be ending sometimes soon, huh, as folks roll away from you on the top end ????? And yes, because these ARM super server chipsets only cost 2 grand each some wild assed PC enthusiasts or another will be building themselves up some sort of home brewed "supercomputer rigs" out of these new processors starting later on this Christmas season when the very first enthusiast level wave soldered ARM Centriq ball socket ARM "Falcor" motherboards finally do come out into the light of day ...... What's neat is the new ARM super server chipsets runs on good 'ol normal server softwares, both Linux based and Windows Server based stuff all runs great right out of the box. Both MS and Intel have very recently DECLARED and made lots of noises about being "FOSS" and "LInux Supporters" now, so they can't be raising any cain and 'a going to sue somebody over them being FOSS supporters, now can they? ::) ================================================== Centriq processors (4 sku's now) will outperform the equivalent Intel Xenons at a 2-3x performance level, depending on which ones you are talking about. AT LEAST Twice as fast and up to 10 times cheaper to buy and ranging from 6-10 times more ENERGY EFFICIENT to run ..... smells like a revolution brewing. Feelin' that brand new beeg one kissing your shorts yet, INTEL ????? ==================================================== Intel feels a cool breeze 'a blowing on their bare buttocks --- someone is shipping that first "enthusiast" Centriq motherboard as of TODAY no less. http://https://www.extremetech.com/g00/3_c-7x78x78x78.fyusfnfufdi.dpn_/c-7NPSFQIFVT34x24iuuqtx3ax2fx2fx78x78x78.fyusfnfufdi.dpnx2fx78q-dpoufoux2fvqmpbetx2f3128x2f14x2fRvbmdpnn-Dfousjr.qoh_$/$/$/$/$/$ This is obviously a serious server board, considering it holds so many many high speed memory channels (11 slots / 32 lanes worth) that can be filled with fast server memory. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/11/17 at 12:34:24 http://https://images.techhive.com/images/article/2015/10/chip-100620923-large.jpg Doing it ARM DynamIQ style ........ Qualcomm uses ARM DynamIQ tech to put it all into the chip core itself , with dedicated video and I/0 done per core, with massive but tiny redundancy taking care of any local loading and I/O issues. A planning council was done for this chip months ago and all implementation details were worked out by the group and THE OPERATING SYSTEMS SOFTWARE was refined in advance for this arrangement. vs ============================================================ http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/kaby-lake-g.jpg3.3 TFLOPs of "duplicative useless" computing Doing it all Intel old school kludgy "after the fact" style ......... Copy the entire CPU chipset over twice, one Intel CPU complete and one AMD CPU complete, then mate the two dissimilar complete with on board graphics CPUs up to a single very large powerful AMD Graphics Core Array that is already an integrated part of the AMD Chipset. Totally ignore the weak arsed Intel graphics unit built into the Intel system as you don't plan to use it (but you still have to pay for it). Now pay for all the required I/O support pieces for the multiple redundant Intel and AMD CPU sets and then figure out AFTER THE FACT how to get them to work together on the same Daughter and Motherboards ...... :P Think you got hot bubbly compatibility issues mebbe just a roiling up out of this hot unplanned mess ???? (Microsoft never planned up front to support this 2 CPU kludge, btw.) Think somebody is gonna wanna get paid for EACH ONE OF THE 3 complete processor sets ???? (and then paid for all them required hook up bits and pieces on the motherboard, too) :D Think on it a bit ---- Qualcomm has a whole range of ARM based stuff they can do now, going up from a phone level, to a Chromebook / laptop level, on up to a PC level, ranging on up to a super server level. Stuff with a cost savings that is running up to 10 times better and a speed improvement of 2-3x better (soon ramping up to 20x better with the AI tricks maturing day by day by day). To Intel, this is pure competitive hell come to Earth to visit them. Time for Intel to pull out the bag of dirty tricks and try out a few of those nasty tricks on Qualcomm and Samsung to attempt to find some "distraction factor" to slow the bad boys down..... Realizing that the existing Samsung and Qualcomm pair up (foundry and chip designer) are both now both able at this time to attack Intel successfully at a very fundamental level, understand that the recent Broadcom take over bid may simply be a disruptive corporate attack on Qualcomm orchestrated by some other, left hand hidden Intel partners. If so, look to see actions taken by the existing "anti-Intel" standards consortium to actively promote some more (somewhat less complex) versions of the DynamIQ server chipset, mounting Mali G72 graphics (or possibly even a AMD Graphics Array as AMD is a part of the group already) and remember AMD is still smarting from that latest Intel bowl movement that Intel took all over their head last week). And, even if Qualcomm did get itself sidelined by a Broadcom take over bid, Samsung by itself currently both designs and builds its own chipsets anyway. As does Mediatek and Huawei ..... Plus, if ARM designed itself up a turn key reference style PC desktop chipset, anyone could build a PC level ARM chipset using TSMC as the low cost foundry just by building out the ARM reference design. The only thing that would be required would be a somewhat stronger Mali Graphics GPU block design, one that is very tightly integrated with a much larger stronger AI graphics block array. This is the path I predict will take place once Mickey finishes the Windows software. AMD has "gone ahead" and shown us how to do it, and AMD has a much larger stronger AI graphics block array than Nvidia's current "CPU less" version does. But make no mistake, Nvidia has also shown us that the old style Intel type CPU portion is far less important than the many many shader style cores of a massively complex GPU based processor as both Nvidia and Apple both now use their GPU style shader cores to do all normal math calculations, etc. etc. CISC CPU's will become less and less important over time. And remember that AI itself runs off the GPU style shader core arrays in their massive massive numbers .... Self driving cars currently do ALL their calculations off the large amounts of graphics shader cores that they contain ..... So, what we use for math calculations and actually call the "computer" is busy changing up on us as we speak..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/12/17 at 03:26:52 https://hothardware.com/news/qualcomm-centriq-2400-cloudfare-benchmarks http://https://hothardware.com/ContentImages/NewsItem/42690/content/centriq_wafer.jpg http://https://hothardware.com/ContentImages/NewsItem/42690/content/big_centriq_2400.jpg As we get ready to get into the numbers, I have to communicate an interesting little discovery I made -- to test the REAL 46 core Qualcomm ARM chipset against REAL Intel competitive products the 46 core Qualcomm ARM chipset had to go up against a motherboard mounting TWO of the much more expensive Intel processors -- and it still beat them handily in all but one test scenario. The one Intel win took place because the test was not optimized for the many many cored ARM competitor, but the test apparently stopped counting "individual core contributions" when the "doubled" (two mounted processors) Intel core count limit was reached ...... http://https://hothardware.com/ContentImages/NewsItem/42690/content/CPUs_specs.png Having reviewed the specs, here is an overview of the test results ..... note that the results are done and shown on two generations of Intel server processors, just to make sure all the current shipping Intel lithography generations have a chance to show their "advantages" (or not as the case may be). http://https://hothardware.com/ContentImages/NewsItem/42690/content/small_pub_key_all_core-2.jpg And here is the Gzip compression testing which did use all cores correctly. http://https://hothardware.com/ContentImages/NewsItem/42690/content/small_gzip_all_core.jpg Here is the Brotli testing that showed issues with "not enough Intel cores available to do test". http://https://hothardware.com/ContentImages/NewsItem/42690/content/small_brot_all_core.jpg interpolation is required SO WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN ??? ..... or why is Intel sticking its hand so deeply into the bag of dirty tricks at this early junction ???? "At the SoC level, Falkor wins big time," writes Cloudflare's Vlad Krasnov. "It is only marginally slower than Skylake at an RSA2048 signature, and only because RSA2048 does not have an optimized implementation for ARM. The ECDSA performance is ridiculously fast. A single Centriq chip can satisfy the ECDSA needs of almost any company in the world." When it comes to on-the-fly dynamic and static web content compression like the industry-standard GZip or Googles more recent Brotli algorithm, in both benchmarks, Centriq really shows its muscle dominating across the board with Gzip, and winning nearly every test with Brotli compression. In the end, Cloudflare feels that Qualcomm has a potential winner on its hands, especially with regards to multithreaded workloads. Intel's position of strength in the server market allows it to charge a premium for its Xeon processors, but that is countered by the lower cost and low power consumption for Centriq. "The largest win by far for Falkor is the low power consumption. Although it has a TDP of 120W, during my tests it never went above 89W (for the go benchmark), said Krasnov. "In comparison Skylake and Broadwell both went over 160W, while the TDP of the two CPUs is 170W." Cloudflare sounds fairly confident that Qualcomm Centriq will only get better with time as more applications are optimized to take advantage of its ARMv8 64-bit architecture. Basically, ARM server chipset testing is showing a 10x price advantage for ARM DynamIQ, requires half the processor count of the Intel products to do the same workloads, runs up to twice as fast while doing it (while not optimized at all at this stage of things, too) and the ARM processor draws half the power Intel needs while doing it. Intel is toast and Intel knows it. Dirty tricks and more dirty tricks is all they have left in their little black bag ..... :P And this testing does not take into effect the 20x-50x AI advantage that is rolling into play as we speak ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/12/17 at 05:41:50 Should it surprise you that as various folks tally up their short lists of "hidden consortium" folks behind the Broadcom bid to buy out Qualcomm (and shut down the Qualcomm DynamIQ innovations and stop the Qualcomm flow of competitive violation lawsuits) that the names of "Apple" and "Intel" show up right up at the top of each of the lists the various folks are putting together. Qualcomm has many enemies but it has also been a part of many consortiums that have made/are making a lot of progress with ARM DynamIQ designs of late. Both Apple and Intel need that Qualcomm based progress to slow down greatly or to STOP at once, before it eventually kills them both. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/12/17 at 17:08:30 https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/08/microsoft_windows_server_qualcomm/ http://https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/03/08/qualcomm_centriq_system_scaled.jpg?x=648&y=570&infer_y=1 Microsoft has ported its Windows Server operating system to the Qualcomm Centriq – a 64-bit ARM-compatible server-grade system-on-chip. In a move that will pile further pressure on Intel – which dominates the data center market but is already unnerved by AMD's Naples server processor – Qualcomm and Microsoft will today show off Windows Server running on a 10nm Centriq 2400 system at the Open Compute Project Summit in California. Qualcomm's Centriq family uses the Falkor microarchitecture, and features up to 48 64-bit ARMv8-compatible cores fabricated using a 10nm FinFET process. If it hits the data center market on time – it's slated to ship in volume in the latter half of 2017 – it will beat Intel's 10nm Xeons by roughly 12 months. The system-on-chip line officially, for now, runs flavors of Linux from Red Hat and Canonical. The Qualcomm Centriq 2400 Open Compute Motherboard has a single socket for a Centriq SoC with up to 48 cores, a 50Gb/s NIC, 32 lanes of PCIe 3, two USB ports, 1GbE PHY, eight SATA ports, and six channels of DDR4 RAM (running at 2667MT/s) with one or two DIMMs per channel. This sits on a 210mm by 404mm half-width 1U mobo that fits in a normal 19" rack. "This is to get the server ecosystem prepped and ready," Ram Peddibhotla, vice president of product management at Qualcomm Datacenter Technologies, told The Register earlier this week. He added: "In collaborating with Microsoft and other industry leading partners, we are democratizing system design and enabling a broad-based ARM server ecosystem." Qualcomm is also joining the OCP Foundation as a gold member, as well as offering up its blueprints. Yep, it is a FOSS effort ..... Intel is being killed slowly by a FOSS consortium, one being put together and point led by Mark Zuckerman and financed by Facebook and crowdfunding ..... Hey Intel, your days of price gouging everybody are over. ;D hee hee ;D "They" have come for you at last. ==================================================== Note the Great Divide up line Qualcomm, Microsoft, Apple, IBM, AMD and everybody who supports the OCP, DynamIQ standards and ARM RISC processing line up over here ..... vs Intel, and Broadcom over there ...... (Broadcom builds all those multitude of little chips that crowd up an Intel motherboard, you know, the ones that ARM doesn't need because it is all on the chip itself) Apple has moved sides recently on my simplistic split up, and supports the OCP side since later on this past summer. Quite frankly, I missed this move as for the longest time Apple refused to pick a side and by doing so were default counted with the old school boys. However, having spit it out publicly that they side with the FOSS angels Apple is likely to support all the rest of the OCP standards going forward. Broadcom is likely to eventually move over to the FOSS angels side as well, since they will see market share and sales move in that direction. So far the most Broadcom has done is open source some very old switch designs that are really too old to be of much utility. Look to see the next set of Intel dirty tricks exit the little black bag in time for New Years (likely involves some nasty IP lawsuits made by front men). |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/13/17 at 12:32:24 https://liliputing.com/2017/11/qualcomm-trns-broadcoms-130-billion-acquisition-offer.html Qualcomm turns down Broadcom’s $130 billion acquisition offer It’s not hard to understand why Broadcom made the offer. The company has an extensive portfolio of products, but there’s not a huge amount of overlap with Qualcomm. While Broadcom is best known for its networking solutions, Qualcomm is one of the dominant players in the smartphone CPU and GPU space. Combining the two companies would create a serious powerhouse in the low-power chip space. Whether the deal would be approved by regulators is an open question, but it’s one that may go unanswered, since Qualcomm is rejecting the unsolicited acquisition offer. Technically, it’s still up to Qualcomm’s shareholders to decide whether to reject the deal. But with the board of the company unanimously recommending against, it seems unlikely to go through… at least at the current price. While $130 billion is a lot of money, Qualcomm’s board says the offer undervalues the company, which is currently expanding beyond smartphones and into other markets including automotive, Internet of Things, and networking. UNDERVALUED, yes I agree with that statement. Let's see ..... Qualcomm is leading FOSS into Server Space using DynamIQ chipsets swinging over 46 core sets (sets of 4 cores & sets of 8 cores which is how the overall "strength" parameter is being controlled right now). Also note that any bad cores get dropped from the core count list making up some sub-type sorted outcome part numbers that are slightly weaker than the primo SoCs. This is also why the chip is spec'd at 46 cores while 48 cores are physically there, they expect a little bit of a failure rate when the chip is a brand new little puppy production-wise. I suspect they will continue to build at the full 48 sets of 8 cores per set and let the failure rates dictate the number of lesser processors they have to sell (they got 4 lesser slots they can downgrade into). Sub-grade processors that will get accumulated over time and get shipped periodically at a strong discount. When Samsung gets really really good at it, then the price of the primo chipset can go down to increase the demand rate back on up to equilibrium again at the lesser flaw rates. Then comes 7nm next year and 5nm two years later on ...... Qualcomm is breaking into laptops with Microsoft doing the Snapdragon 835 and 845 phone chips as laptop chips and by making sure that Microsoft Win Server runs really really well on Centriq 2400 processors. Qualcomm is also breaking into AI with the Snapdragon 845 in a somewhat LARGER fashion, since it is swinging a larger AI processing block linked with the more powerful graphics processor. Qualcomm is a leader that has made a series of progressive partnerships on a series of significant issues --- and Qualcomm generally brings home the bacon whenever they start something. This is not to say that Qualcomm is without flaw, as they have done their fair share of dumb and greedy things over the years. But they are not at an Intel or Microsoft level flaw-wise by anybody's guess. Apple saying Qualcomm is greedy is about as bad as it gets (pot calling the kettle black there, actually) I have to agree that Broadcom's take-over bid was perhaps a calculated distraction orchestrated by Intel to try to get the bad Qualcomm man to slow down on the Intel kidney kickings to some small degree --- or mebbe just to get Qualcomm to stop taking R & L turns whacking Intel in the knees all the durn time with that bloody baseball bat ...... [smiley=tongue.gif] .....so, let the Intel beatings continue unabated ..... If Intel isn't writhing, squealing and bleeding, they ain't innovating hard enough ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/13/17 at 21:16:20 https://www.forbes.com/sites/tiriasresearch/2017/11/10/qualcomm-launches-into-server-market/#146ed6c444ef http://https://blogs-images.forbes.com/tiriasresearch/files/2017/11/P1230452-3-1200x564.jpg?width=960 OK, enough of the enthusiasm from the booster side of things, let's hear the Forbes professional FINANCE people discuss whether this stuff is real or perhaps worth pursuing at a corporate level. The technical merits of Qualcomm’s Centriq 2400 boil down to a very simple comparison – Centriq 2400 performance per hardware thread is solidly in Intel Xeon Scalable performance per thread territory, while consuming a lot less power. And yes, it also costs a lot less. A lot of partners and potential customers took the stage to speak about how their testing programs were going at the launch event. Microsoft and Google and Facebook were there making progress reports about their own work loads and testing programs. Press release quotes must be approved by legal and marketing departments; I find that on-stage ad libs say much more. Here are the top quotes I paid attention to: "Let me congratulate you on launching Centriq 2400. It’s the highest performance ARM processor and can actually run workloads that I care about.” –Dr. Leendert van Doorn, Distinguished Engineer, Microsoft Azure Data Group Dr. van Doorn doesn’t mince words, ever. His team has evaluated all the available ARM server products. Earlier this year, Microsoft gave a nod to Qualcomm’s Centriq, Cavium’s ThunderX2, AMD’s EPYC and Intel’s Xeon Scalable processors as future processor alternatives for specific workloads in its Azure public cloud. Today’s launch fills in a final, vital piece of that competitive field. Or, you can just cut to the chase -- Centriq is rolling into full test implementations at all the major players as we speak. These same folks are confident that future generations of Centriq will show further improvements that will keep the large server markets coming back for more Centriq going out into the future. Plus, for the second time somebody else (Forbes) finally admitted you have to have a PAIR of expensive Intel Xenons to "run equivalent" against one Centriq 2400 and that those two Intel processors costs at least 4x more than a Centriq does and they will burn at least 2x-3x the watts of power trying to run those same work loads. "For example, Intel has historically been very proud of Xeon’s floating-point performance. Using preliminary SPECfp_rate2006 numbers (“estimated” because they have not yet gone through SPEC’s reporting process) in a 48 hardware thread comparison, Qualcomm’s Centriq 2460 posted a score of 607 (48 single-threaded cores with a list price $1,995) to Xeon Scalable Platinum 8160’s score of 534 (24 dual-threaded cores with a recommended list price of $4,700 as of 11/9/2017). That’s a 13% better score, without considering price or power consumption." What is developed for server space will work in PC space and I suspect that an ARM dedicated design for an SoC containing 16 to 24 each A75 cores, a next generation Mali G74 graphics processor and a "sizeable enough" integrated AI adder block could do the same terrible terrible things to Intel's Core i7 product line as it did to Intel's Xenon Scalable Platinum 8160 product line. ..... make good 'ol Intel writhe, bleed and squeal so loudly so they will have to get busy and go innovate some more ..... News Flash -- Intel has dropped all work on their next TWO generations of Xenon processors, both of which went underwater with the current Centriq 2400 competition at this point in time. Intel realizes that before they can get to 10nm (where Centriq is now) that ARM will have moved to 7nm and be looking at 5nm and they simply will NEVER catch up in that lithography based competition. AI is moving into rackspace as is Quantum Computing, so Intel isn't going to dun itself in a competition that is based on old style benchmarks that they KNOW they are doomed to lose. Instead, they opt to blindly leapfrog out into a fuzzy future, hoping to pick up a move on the others ......... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/14/17 at 12:41:49 You know you've hurt them BAD when they Bleed loudly. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/14/17 at 15:15:54 :D It takes a LOT to get Intel's attention, much less to get them to CONCENTRATE on making some progress on improving on their x86 junk some more. ..... right knee, balls, left knee, kidney, kidney --- right knee, balls, left knee, kidney, kidney --- right knee, balls, left knee, kidney, kidney --- right knee, balls, left knee, kidney, kidney --- (keep swinging that baseball bat, swing it hard) ..... keeping Intel writhing and squealing and really really working hard on making some Intel type progress is a lot of work all by itself .... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/14/17 at 17:59:42 https://www.slashgear.com/windows-10-on-snapdagon-835-geekbench-scores-are-uninspiring-15507980/ Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem to be bearing good fruit either. At least not this early. According to the Geekbench listing, Windows 10 running on a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835, most likely using a reference board, scores 1,202 on the single-core benchmark and 4,263 on multi-core. That wouldn’t be as bad until you consider that typical Android devices on that same chip and reference board get over 2,200 and 7,700 for single and multi core tests, respectively. It would definitely be a disappointment if Microsoft will be unable to optimize Windows 10 for use on Snapdragon 835 SoCs. Running at such low performance basically negates whatever advantages the ARM architecture has to offer. So while Windows 10 on ARM might fare better than Windows RT on the software side, it will still be a terrible flop if no hardware will run it well. The very first tentative benchmarks of Win 10 ARM on Qualcomm 835 are now showing up at benchmark sites and unlike the original "prototype" benchmarks it isn't all unalloyed spritely joy springing up all over there in Mudville. MS has been unable to equal the old "original" Snapdragon 835 Win 10 benchmark speeds because they cannot use Intel system calls as they did back then because Intel won't let them. So far MS has lacked the ability to code effectively for the one single ARM chipset they had committed to bring over to Windows 10. A Core i3 Intel chipset is now coming across as clearly speedier for use with Win 10 at this point in time due to the use of all the native x86 Intel systems drivers. Based upon a new view of "Win 10 on ARM reality" that is first really being shown here, then Win 10 on ARM is a bust yet again -- with this time Intel's "playing dog in the manger" on the systems drivers as the root cause. With MS's inability to write a custom driver being the secondary cause ..... Look to see MS and Qualcomm perhaps taking a cut down slice of a Centriq 2400 and start testing that as a prototype, then designing up a new laptop/desktop chipset accordingly. Struggling to "almost work" is stupid when they have just proven out a means of EXCEEDING Intel's capabilities at half the cost and half the energy budget of Intel tech. Also look to see AMD and IBM pushing forward their new ARM based wares as potential solutions to the "Intel issue". Of course Intel could forestall all such efforts by simply lowering the prices for their Core 17 8th generation chipsets by a third. Never forget, the entire issue is really Intel's long running habit of price gouging everywhere they possibly can. News Flash -- Lenovo backs away from their plans for Qualcomm 835 based ARM Windows 10 laptops for this Christmas season. Hewlett Packard says they are still on schedule to release their Win 10 ARM unit in the second week of December (but have nothing to share for any benchmarks at this point in time -- not a good sign this late in the game).[/quote] |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/15/17 at 12:43:17 The failure of the Snapdragon 835 to "properly support" Win 10 ARM has caused MS to request that Qualcomm bring forward the 845 chipset to now (since it too runs on 10nm lithography) and to pull forward the 7nm Snapdragon 855 from late next year to earlier next year to be the 2018 SoC of the year. Strong competition in the phone arena is saying the same sorts of things, so Qualcomm is likely willing to bring the two SoCs out early anyway. MS is seeking enough ARM horsepower to run their kludgy Win 10 ARM software fast enough for their builder partners to make up an "improved" low cost laptop or three for the first half of next year. The real flaw here is MS's being totally dependent on Intel systems drivers and not having system driver control and/or the needed skills to write their own Win 10 OS's drivers. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/17/17 at 15:09:30 http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-z-nand-sz985-intel-optane,35956.html http://c-7npsfqifvt34x24jnhx2eqvsdix2edpn.g00.tomshardware.com/g00/3_c-7x78x78x78.upntibsex78bsf.dpn_/c-7NPSFQIFVT34x24iuuqtx3ax2fx2fjnh.qvsdi.dpnx2fsx2f711y561x2fbIS1dEpwM32mAHmiMnKmd4SwAn2qZ4KwMnOwcT0AM2VwOaJ6OkB3M30zbXeqcnGtMaByMlqRSx78x3dx3dx3fj21d.nbsl.jnbhf.uzqf_$/$/$/$ OK, a new term for you to remember Samsung Z-Nand Home based from Samsung (world's second largest foundry) comes their much lower cost version of Intel's pricy Optane memory --- memory that costs a third to half as much as Intel (the #5 foundry volume-wise) and Z-Nand gives 95% to 2x of Optaine's claimed performance depending on the actual memory items being tested and who is doing the testing. (please note that Intel Optane has never ever met its own claims when tested by others, so there may not be any large difference really between the two performance-wise) It is also now suspected that this new Samsung Z-Nand memory was what was snuggled on up on top of those new Centriq 2400 processors as "the large amount of chip mounted dedicated L-3 cache memory" which mebbe was one of the reasons why the Centriq 2400 kicked Intel's butt so very very badly last week. This is just the second entry in the new VERY FAST PERMANENT MEMORY classification, with two-three more entries still waiting to get into the starting gate. All various fast memory horses will be in the gate by late spring of next year, then the big fast memory horse race can begin in earnest ..... You can count on Z-Nand cache memory being inside all of Samsung's primo chipsets next year, adding that little something extra to Samsung's performance mix. ======================================== Also note that Micron is coming out with their own candidate for super fast permanent memory within the next month or so ..... no specs put out so far, but the general claims are much the same as the others. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/20/17 at 17:54:19 https://liliputing.com/2017/11/apples-new-imac-pro-feature-apple-a10-co-processor-along-intel-xeon-cpu.html Got some real "no confidence" votes taking place in the computer industry over the current crop of Intel Core i-? PC grades of processors. This is from Apple, up-spec'ing the $5,000 MacBook Pro units to a full on 18 core Intel Xenon RackStation chipset, backed up with an additional home grown full Apple A-10 processor to just so it can handle the "always on" phone style part of the full on Apple business worker person's needs. The standard ol' Intel Core i-x is now seen as inadequate, out of date, over the hill, or whatever, (you can put in your own adjectives of your own choosing). I trust everybody realizes that a Qualcomm Centriq 2400 would kick the ass of this Intel Xenon 18 rack spec unit both up and down the spec ranges AND that the Qualcomm Centriq 2400 would be half as expensive to implement ...... plus it would not need the secondary ARM A-10 chipset as it is already ARM and already AI capable at 46 DynamIQ cores strong. One questions the source of this conveniently "leaked" press release -- was it really from Apple or was it "leaked" from Intel ????? I am looking to see a "correction" or "refinement" made to this announcement within a 3 months time span ..... ;) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/21/17 at 15:51:42 https://liliputing.com/2017/11/intel-confirms-security-vulnerabilities-intel-management-engine.html Intel confesses that the Minux subsystem that runs their Intel processor core security system SIMPLY ISN'T SECURE AT ALL. Just kept secret and it was a naturally very obscure very old programming system which means nobody was expecting it to be used .... http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/intel-me.jpg The vulnerability could allow an unauthorized user to run code delivered via USB. Affected systems include those running Intel Management Engine 11.0 through 11.7, Intel Server Platform Services version 4.0, and Intel Trusted Execution Engine 3.0. That includes 6th-gen, 7th-gen, and 8th-gen Intel Core processors as well as a bunch of other chips including: Intel Celeron N and J series chips Intel Pentium Apollo Lake Intel Atom E3900 Apollo Lake Intel Atom C3000 Intel Xeon W Intel Xeon E3-1200 v5 and v6 Intel Xeon Scalable family Intel has released a tool that you can download and run on Windows or Linux PCs to see if your computer is affected. But you can’t download a fix for the security vulnerability from Intel: it’s up to PC makers to roll out updates. Some companies shave already started to do that, but the outcome will probably vary from PC maker to PC maker. This is pretty much exactly what critics of the Intel Management Platform had been worried about. Since the software is hidden from end users, many people may not even know it’s running on their computer. And it’s proven difficult for security researchers to examine the code to search for vulnerabilities, which means that it’s largely up to Intel to make sure that this software doesn’t pose a huge security risk unbeknownst to most users. No wonder companies including Purism and Google have been looking for ways to disable Intel ME (which, ironically, involves finding and exploiting flaws in the software, since it’s not meant to be disabled). If this was a car, there would be a gov. recall notice put out and the cars would sit until they were fixed properly ..... except by its very nature this computer processing core software CANNOT be fixed. :P ================================================== https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/11/intel-warns-of-widespread-vulnerability-in-pc-server-device-firmware/ http://https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/intel-core-x-series-family-100724039-orig-800x450.jpg Four vulnerabilities were discovered that affect Intel Management Engine firmware versions 11.0 through 11.20. Two were found in earlier versions of ME, as well as two in Server Platform Services version 4.0 firmware and two in TXE version 3.0. The security holes affect the following Intel CPUs: Intel Core processors from the 6th generation ("Skylake"), 7th generation ("Kaby Lake"), & 8th Generation ("Kaby Lake-R" and "Coffee Lake") families—the processors in most desktop and laptop computers since 2015; Multiple Xeon processor lines, including the Xeon Processor E3-1200 v5 & v6 Product Family, Xeon Processor Scalable family, and Xeon Processor W family; The Atom C3000 Processor Family and Apollo Lake Atom Processor E3900 series for networked and embedded devices and Internet of Things platforms, and Apollo Lake Pentium and Celeron™ N and J series Processors for mobile computing. The highest-level vulnerabilities, rated at 8.2 and 7.5 on the Common Vulnerability Security Scale (CVSSv3) respectively, are in the most recent versions of Intel Management Engine. They have the broadest impact on PC users: they allow arbitrary remote code execution and privileged information access. Dell has issued a statement on the MX advisory that lists over 100 affected systems, including a variety of Inspirion, Latitude, AlienWare, and OptiPlex systems; Lenovo has a similarly vast list posted on its site. To show they didn't do it (have only secondary reporting responsibility only) on this set of grievous security exploit "chip deep" sort of errors, all PC vendors are required in the EU to post lists of ALL the units affected by each of the 4 exploits. This is now being seen as a "pay them a chunk of money to buy a replacement" sort of issue in the EU. This may be a company killer pay out issue for Intel ...... The highest-level vulnerabilities, rated at 8.2 and 7.5 on the Common Vulnerability Security Scale (CVSSv3) respectively, are in the most recent versions of Intel Management Engine. They have the broadest impact on PC users: they allow arbitrary remote code execution and privileged information access. Dell has issued a statement on the MX advisory that lists over 100 affected systems, including a variety of Inspirion, Latitude, AlienWare, and OptiPlex systems; Lenovo has a similarly vast list posted on its site. In short, the list covers ALL UNITS ever produced, and at a 8.2 out of 10 severity for "a remote code execution vulnerability" (for something that Intel cannot fix in software) this will cause the stricter government agencies to simply stop using the machines in question. See these folks immediately seek some sort of other brand solution for their immediate "must use, must be secure" data issues. See bigger international customers like Apple react by rolling away from Intel's buggy horse poo processors ...... see the lawsuits roil and boil starting now ...... [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] It is thought that Intel will come out with a download bios boot level tool to "turn the Intel Management Engine all off permanently" and then will attempt to replace ME with a software scan tool that runs at each boot (and periodically during the day, too). Money will be owed to each and every customer/user over this one ..... TIME and Functionality will be lost during these sub-bios level checks ...... INTEL REACTS in typical brown vapor BS fashion by saying ..... "Intel said customers should look to their PC manufacturers for fixes. “We worked with equipment manufacturers on firmware and software updates addressing these vulnerabilities, and these updates are available now,” the company said in a statement to Fortune. “Businesses, systems administrators, and system owners using computers or devices that incorporate these Intel products should check with their equipment manufacturers or vendors for updates for their systems, and apply any applicable updates as soon as possible.” |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/22/17 at 06:30:35 The FOSS standards consortium that proposed and implemented the Qualcomm Centriq 2400 chipset is meeting online to see if they have any potential security holes similar to the Intel Management Engine. Discussions on a range of consumer level FOSS Centriq processor variants are out on the table now so customers with security needs will have real, powerful and secure alternatives ........ it is becoming clear that Win 10 usage requires much much more processor power and twice to four times the systems memory of any Android or Chrome OS system. This raises the bar for Win 10 usage up into a new level or stage of things. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/22/17 at 07:34:24 https://liliputing.com/2017/11/arm-powered-windows-laptops-show-benchmark-results.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/asus-w10arm.jpg It’s probably too early to read too much into the benchmark listings, since the final products could look quite different. But it is certainly interesting that Geekbench shows single-core and multi-core scores that are about half of what you’d expect from an Android device with the same Snapdragon 835 processor. Maybe that means Windows 10 runs less efficiently than Android on ARM. Maybe it has something to do with the overhead that comes with emulating an x86 instruction set so that users can run legacy Windows programs on a device with an ARM-based processor. Or maybe these are just early results for unfinished hardware and software that hasn’t been finalized yet. It’s also interesting to see that some of the pre-release Windows 10 on ARM devices seem to need 4GB of RAM and others seem to need 8GB. It looks like Windows tablets and laptops with 2GB of RAM or less may be a thing of the past ..… Ok, that's all of them save Lenovo, who says they aren't going to be playing until end of first quarter next year (Lenovo likely decided to wait for Qualcomm Snapdragon 845). Consensus is that Win 10 on ARM requires twice the memory resources to run only HALF as fast as Android. This means Chromebooks "as is" will still kick Win 10's butt on performance and cost per unit. Google and FOSS are showing some preliminary open source moves to make up a new light fast OS that incompasses the very best "fastest" "lightest" pieces that they have now. Still waiting for the Centriq style consumer level ARM SoC designs to show up for first production to run this sort of new OS (this will be required for Win 10 on ARM to be a "performance competitive" winner against the huge INTEL Xenon Server chipsets) Apple's Swift (the inventor of this language now works for Google) is now rolling on Fuschia OS working with Google's DART and Magenta/Zircon system tools ...... running on brand new ARM certified chip designs, to be built by TSMC and Samsung ..... faster is coming, soon. Apple is currently moving away from Core i5 and Core i7 rolling over to Xenon Server Chipsets swinging 18 huge Intel Xenon Server cores. Forced putt, that -- better options are needed and these will come soon enough too. Industry and the American Government (and other governments) no longer trusts Intel not to design and make up a complete secret freak show that lives internal to their consumer hardware / bios subsystems ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/22/17 at 08:08:40 http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/11/21/googles-upcoming-fuchsia-os-to-support-apples-swift-language Apple recently put the Swift programming language out into the FOSS realm. Then the Apple programming manager that created Swift left Apple and he now works for Google on the Fuschia project. Google has now completely accepted FOSS Swift and has made FOSS Swift a Fuchsia native language, right along with FOSS Dart. This opens an accelerated pathway for Apple Swift built items to be ported to run on FOSS systems from Google and others. So far, Google has NOT formally stated what Fuchia OS is intended to do, but evidence is seen that it is a razor sharp, extremely durable, very low system requirements, FAST RUNNING very rugged FOSS OS/language that spans naturally up from IoT all the way up into the realm of supercomputers. So, Google and FOSS are quietly putting together the OS to replace MS Windows completely, spanning from key fobs all the way up the pipeline to data centers and supercomputers ..... Next FOSS moves will likely be people starting putting together a Fuchsia solution or two to replace whatever MS leaves lying about semi-broken ...... Intel and MS leave quite a lot of their stuff limping around all broken of late, very regularly Intel does it on the hardware side too it seems. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/24/17 at 00:27:47 Why do Chromebooks only require 2 gigs of systems memory (and go deluxe at 4 gigs) and only require 16 gigs of storage memory (and go deluxe at 32 gigs). This is in a Windows world that requires TWICE those basic and deluxe numbers for ANY real retail Windows 10 system (whichever variant you prefer) and Win 10 will then only run HALF AS FAST as a Chromebook or an Android device even when given twice the resources? I have consistently said "porky fat, waddling and slow" about MS OS products for a long time now -- and it is as accurate a way of answering this point as any. ==================================================== Fuschia OS is just an infant at the moment, but so far it treats Android and Chrome OS as "fat slow and waddling cripples" at about the same ratio / amount as Chrome OS and Android does to Windows 10. Suffice it to say that Fuchsia is really super fast compared to existing large MS OS products -- it makes traditional Linux distros look "creeping slow" too as Linux tends to be complex on roughly the same order as the older MS OS products (faster yes, but distro based Linux isn't 10x-30x faster while Fuschia shows all the signs of doing this level of quick or better as a routine sort of thing). Think of AI and the upcoming benefits that are headed our way -- Windows 10 certainly can't take advantage of the 30x - 50x AI speed increases that are coming because Windows 10 itself is far far too slow to run at these speeds. A "stripped down" Supercomputer Linux is the only thing we have right now that can fully reflect these AI speed improvements in any meaningful fashion. We need a serious OS speed revolution in our commonly used computing OS systems -- now you know what Fuschia is really all about. Fuschia when run on new memory equipped systems will be capable of running cleanly at the AI 50x speeds that are inbound inside the next 2-3 years. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/24/17 at 03:16:53 http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2013/04/02/Tom_Gill_lighthouse_(11)_20130402133154_640_480.JPG Intel is still stuck at 14nm ...... AMD has announced an entire line up at 12nm running off of Global Foundry's 12nm process line starting first quarter 2018. This whole line AMD change up will include an integrated 10nm line of laptop SoCs with improved state of the art AI and vastly improved Graphics running off Global Foundry's newest 10nm process, beginning in mid year 2018. These will be a big big market share loss to Intel ..... especially if Apple picks up on these AMD SoCs and uses them. No matter what, Intel will still be roughly a whole year "later to this 10nm laptop party" as they still have scrap and sorting yield issues at 10nm that have put them roughly ~ 4 years ~ delayed at this point in time. Qualcomm has now come in from left field at 10nm (Samsung Foundry) and now threatens Intel's very main server Xenon existence with the Centriq 2400 processor family (running strong at 48 ARM DynamIQ cores at 10nm from Samsung) coming on line at least six months before Intel has a shippable real 10nm anything to put out on the market. Look to see the Centriq line downsize to 7nm during 2018-19. Intel and Apple are now backing Broadcom's attempt to buy out Qualcomm in a hostile take over bid simply to stop Qualcomm from doing these sorts of very disruptive things to its buddy backers, as Intel and Apple may not survive the competition that Qualcomm could be giving them in 2018-2019 unless Qualcomm is bought outright and immediately brought to heel by Broadcom. Can you say "Actions in restraint of free trade" ??? Shake ups, counter moves, conspiracy with this and that ..... we got drama going on in computerdom again. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/24/17 at 12:01:05 dcom's attempt to buy out Qualcomm in a hostile take over bid simply to stop Qualcomm from doing these sorts of very disruptive things to its buddy backers, as Intel and Apple may not survive the competition that Qualcomm could be giving them in 2018-2019 unless Qualcomm is bought outright and immediately brought to heel by Broadcom. Might be a good time for antitrust laws. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/27/17 at 01:03:11 Looking at year after next ...... Intel bets that bigger and bigger and "more cores and more threads" 14nm based x386 Xenon server style chipsets will keep them in the game. :P It is all they got ...... and boy is it getting expensive. ARM/Qualcomm bets on lots of 64 bit DynamIQ A-75 "big" cores, in Centriq array format starting at 16 cores and running on up to 64 cores that will outperform Intel by a factor of 20x on AI applications and by 3x in normal x386 applications. Centriq costs half of what Intel costs and runs twice to three times as fast ...... or more. ::) AI is taking off for serious now, as more and more functions get AI optimized. NOT BEING COMPETITIVE (ie. dead in the water) causes the PC marketplace to stagnate and lose share at pretty much the same 5-10% rate year on year on year, with Chromebooks still getting better and better that much quicker than the PC world can even react to or even try to compete against. MS fails to get Win 10 cut down to be light and fast enough to compete against Chromebooks or Android once again. Apple begins using non-Intel main processors along with A-11 helper chipsets for "Always On" phone like functionality that the market place demands. Apple takes over the deluxe laptop market place (yet again) and MS begins constricting market share wise on the top end (yet again). Apple cedes the low end laptop space to Chromebooks yet again, not wanting to cut their margins that much so as to even try to go there. MICROSOFT has just now (Saturday 11/25) put a full MS OFFICE 360 SUITE into the Chromebook store, one that runs on ALL the current Chromebooks, not just a few of them, priced at only $7 a month -- both sides are now covered as far as MickeySoft sees things to be ingoing ...... this sorta constitutes a MS internal no-confidence vote on their ARM based Windows 10 machines ever doing anything really earthshaking over in laptop space -- should they ever actually arrive in laptop space in any real numbers worth even considering. :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ Plus it is signalling that the "monthly blood bowl" is finally here, so jest plan to tap your charge card for $7 monthly if you wish to play MS's game at all. Google begins actively showing everyone that the OS you use is actually worth more in throughput speed increases than the processor you use ...... ::) yep, that Fuchsia stuff she's a coming .... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/27/17 at 11:03:04 "Just get a Chromebook, Gramps ....." This Thanksgiving I watched my brother in law get schooled by his grandkids, repeatedly, when he kept looking the ads trying to find his perfect new Win 10 laptop for the very best price. He is buying a new Win 10 machine because he got infected with an ad-bot software and his old machine is LOUSY with hundreds of ever changing adwares now. He cannot capiche "scrape it, repartition, reformat and re-install everything" and he is now willing to go buy a new machine to "fix it". He kept asking for advice and folks of his own generation (me) kept pointing out that he could buy a Chromebook AND a "known to work perfectly with Chromebooks" WiFi printer from the same place at the same time for over a hundred dollars cheaper for the both of them than his "cheap on sale" Win 10 laptop would cost by itself on sale. He kept saying "It won't run Office" and "It won't run my Tax software". In both cases, it would and he was shown the software sitting there in the Chrome Store. His eyes then glazed over with dollar signs and he couldn't get them eyes to work at all right about then ..... I quit talking to him about it, as he wasn't receiving the signal I was sending back to him. His daughter and son quit talking to him about it because he was just being stupid about it by the time they got on board with trying to convince him. Nobody wanted to agree with him ..... Finally, his grandkids shut him down ..... "Gramps, I got a Chromebook from school out in the van and I can tell you straight, there isn't ANYTHING it cannot do. It runs all the softwares, local WiFi signal or not if you choose to buy the local load stuff from the Chrome Store. Want me to go get it?" Finally the smoke cleared -- he was willing to pay 3x more for a replacement of the same - same sorry old WinTel stuff --- thinking that he wouldn't have to buy any new software. He thinks that software costs a lot (it used to when he was a current user). ::) ::) ::) ::) < Hee hee, Micky's done got a little surprise a waiting for you, you old Grampa-cheapskate you. > "Mr. Grandpa, this old individually packaged software you are trying to register isn't checking out as a valid product license number match -- did you buy it from the Microsoft Store? Oh, sorry about that -- buying your software directly from the Microsoft Store is always best in the long run ..... hmmmm, Installation Checker is reporting the serial numbers on most of your old boxed stuff as part of a series of "unverifiable software" serial numbers. Plus, your laptop's processor and motherboard's Intel Management Engine NOW REQUIRES a new "matched approved version" of Windows 365, both for the OS and the Office. You need to go get you a FRESH valid, current featured MS Store download of all of your critical OS softwares (processor match up is required) that is matched to a valid license serial number for each piece that is issued fresh from the MS Store .... otherwise this melange of "unverifiable" old boxed software has now been so marked "unverified" in our system and it will never be able to initialize on your new system, ever ...... Microsoft Systems Update will review your system nightly every night and Systems Update will automatically disable any non-approved softwares and remove them from your system to prevent them from providing malware access points. The easiest way to handle all your current issues is to hit the "update to Microsoft 365" icon at the top of your Systems Update page on your new machine and supply a charge card number to pay the easy monthly payment plan. Remember, using Microsoft 365 will save you hundreds of dollars per year as opposed to buying each piece of software separately. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/28/17 at 15:16:57 https://liliputing.com/2017/11/samsung-says-graphene-ball-batteries-charge-faster-hold-power.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/graphene-ball-battery.jpg Samsung says it is developing a brand new battery technology that both holds more power and charges more quickly than the lithium ion batteries that are widely used today. Researchers at the Samsung Advanced Institute of Technology have developed a new graphene ball battery material that the company says charges 5 times more quickly than “standard lithium-ion batteries,” while offering 45 percent more battery capacity. Samsung says a graphene ball battery could be fully charged in 12 minutes and could function at temperatures as high as 60 degrees Celcius (140 degrees Fahrenheit). Samsung Development was given a directive to go develop and to make up production processes for an "error free" new type of battery that does not share any of the old lithium-ion peculiarities. (yep, the same list of lithium-ion misbehaving shite that cost Samsung 5.7 Billion Dollars in outgassing / "bulging" / "catching on fire" recall dollars in the last few years alone) It's funny, you hear lots of trash talk coming from Qualcomm, Google and others about a new solid state battery really really really being needed very badly -- then Samsung uncorks one for real and the rest are just throwing out a bunch of very vague claims and announcements about "something coming soon" while Samsung quietly ships the very first lots of a real product all by their lonesome. Generally, it goes in the Samsung primo phone products first, giving Samsung pride of place and a season's worth of competitive edge. Unless Apple buys up all of the first lots for use in their primo iPhone, that is ...... Samsung is known to sell their "advantage" to Apple for the first year exclusively if Apple pays them well enough for it. Samsung is inventing new things and new processes and putting out benchmark worthy new items rather regularly of late. Qualcomm did several "breakthroughs" in the last couple of years that were actually Samsung R&D reading through on the first production lots on some novel good new process development work. This may be another one coming that will break out soon ..... sorta like that new faster V Nand cache memory that Samsung just did. And that 48 core ARM DynamIQ Centriq processor that was just developed and run by Samsung 10nm Foundry. And let's not forget the Qualcomm 835 and 845, which were developed and run by Samsung 10nm Foundry which were wonderfully successful last year and will be again this year with the 845. ================================================= TODAY, 11/29, Samsung just switched several of their 10nm production lines over to the new 2nd Generation "8nm" (10nm plus) production lithography. This "8nm lithography process" can yield 10% more speed or 15% better battery life, depending on the product in question. Yields per wafer are supposed to go up ~ 10% ~ too. Next baby step is 6nm-7nm, which hits mid year in 2018 supposedly ...... TSMC is supposed to hit 7nm first with Samsung taking the next position in that horse race, followed by Global Foundry like part of a year later, or about the same time Intel finally makes it to 10nm for real. =================================================== Wall Street pundits are saying that Qualcomm will likely eventually succumb to the forces arrayed against it. What is hoped is that before they go down Qualcomm will donate their IP interests in certain techs to their FOSS consortium co-backers very legally and very clearly, such that any future "dog in manger" lawsuits cannot be done by Broadcom, etc. etc. We all remember the Oracle/Android Java lawsuits, lawsuits that took place after some very early Android "free for common use" Java IP was inherited by a patent troll company named Oracle after they got hold of some old original SUN Java IP in a "obsolete defunct company" IP purchase. Remember, the new Broadcom under Hock Tan is also a VERY greedy "sue you" company and Broadcom has no significant stake in phone space to protect at this point in time. But if Hock Tan gets Qualcomm, he will suddenly own some significant old IP resources to go sue some people over. And he will gain large amounts of clout over in phone space. This is also a good reason for Google to be rapidly building themselves a better full range OS mousetrap in their new Fuchsia OS -- the old Linux/Android based OS items may go get entangled all over again by a new set of players laying hold on some very early Android IP rights for the very first time .... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 11/29/17 at 03:34:24 Update: Broadcom's takeover people have proposed an alternate set of Qualcomm board members for the next election, one new member for each of the existing Qualcomm board members. These are brand new people who are NOT opposed to Qualcomm selling itself to Broadcom. Ipso facto -- a proxy vote for a new guy is actually a vote for selling Qualcomm to Broadcom. This is a hostile take over "dirty trick" and if the existing Qualcomm stockholder people are stupid or slack about voting their stockholder proxies then Broadcom can get its hands on Qualcomm for practically ZERO extra dollars ..... Otherwise it is just the next move in the Qualcomm takeover saga. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/01/17 at 00:52:15 SEVERAL National Governments have been given the ability to turn off the leaky remote access hole-filled Intel Management Engine on their high security PCs. This knowledge is also showing up in several open source discussion boards, so expect to see some sort of tool put together by someone fairly soon. Logically, Intel would want to do this first, to save face if nothing else. In the FOSS world, you get yourself a "bug" you fix it ASAP, right? RESISTING DOING IT FOR ALL CUSTOMERS and all generations of machines could be taken as a statement of intent, don't you think? Sorta hard to say it was all jest an accident, if you won't even try to fix it, huh? ::) So far, System 76 and Purism and Dell will ship you a current Intel processor equipped motherboard with the Intel Management Engine completely disabled and defeated. The list of Management Engine totally free companies is getting longer every day ...... so are the demands to get rid of stuff like this, Intel and MS's cute little ideas to stop Linux and other OS systems being able to load on YOUR HARDWARE THAT YOU PURCHASED FOR YOUR OWN USES. Once again, Intel and Microsoft didn't fix it --- System 76, Purism and Dell insisted on fixing it and spent the time identifying how to do just that. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/01/17 at 08:18:54 https://liliputing.com/2017/12/will-windows-10-run-nvidia-tegra-samsung-exynos-mediatek-chips.html Will Windows 10 run on NVIDIA Tegra, Samsung Exynos, or MediaTek chips ??? Unlike the now-defunct Windows RT, Windows 10 on ARM will be able to run just about any Windows application including those designed to run on x86 chips. That’s because ARM-based processors have gotten a lot more powerful in recent years, allowing devices with chips like the Snapdragon 835 to emulate x86 architecture when running apps that don’t run natively on ARM. So don’t be surprised if a year or two from now we start to see Windows 10 devices with Samsung Exynos, NVIDIA Tegra, Huawei Kirin, or MediaTek processors. On the one hand it’s easy to see the appeal of Windows 10 on ARM: you get the same kind of low power consumption and always-connected features available on today’s smartphones… but with support for full-fledged Windows applications. That could mean laptops, tablets, and convertibles with all-day battery life, support for push notifications even when the display is off, and thin-and-light designs. On the other hand, there have been some indications that Windows computers with Snapdragon 835 chips won’t be as fast as Android devices with the same processors, suggesting that Windows 10 isn’t really optimized for ARM just yet. If these new always-connected computers aren’t competitive with existing Intel or AMD-powered options when it comes to price, performance, or both, then it’s unclear how much demand there will really be. Unless Mickey can properly use all the AI functionality that is built into the next Snapdragon 845 generation of ARM chips, then MS Win 10's performance on ARM is always going to be sub-par on those devices compared to Android and ChromeOS (leading to sub-par Windows 10 demand for those classes of machines). Rest assured that Android AI and Google AI on Chromebooks will always use all the ARM DynamIQ AI tricks that exist at that point in time. These AI uses will be pre-built into each ARM chipsets use of ChromeOS and Android from the start of each yearly generation ..... ;) ..... like starting with the Snapdragon 835's and 845's vastly improved video and camera systems that are rolling into use right now. 20-30x faster AI on ARM DynamIQ is going to phase in by layers, as each layer gets properly cooked and served that layer gets a significant speed bump. Right now, I have to seriously question Mickey's ability to pull its finger out of its own nose -- MS has consistently failed to do even ONE SINGLE ARM processor working well after 2 years of "take your mark, get ready, get set, GO". Part of this string of failure is ALLOWING Intel to block them -- and by being simply unable to successfully write native ARM drivers for their own OS system ...... Intel on the other hand has shown it is a better plotter and disruptor than it is a processor maker --- arranging to get Qualcomm bought out against their will simply to shut them up is a classic old school Intel Chipzilla move. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/05/17 at 00:26:12 A new phone tech terminology term to get all cuddly with ....... CLUSTERS With the A-75 Big and the A-55 little DynamIQ cores (and all those various size AI blocks attached to the Mali G73 graphics section) comes the rule of "8 cores fill up a CLUSTER". Now this is whacked, but ANY mix of A-75 bigs and A-55 littles make up a DynamIQ CLUSTER with people thinking different mixtures for different products. Next, stir in 7nm lithography and suddenly a cluster composed of all A-75 bigs will pull similar power consumption levels at a much reduced size to what used to be used by the original 8 core count A-57 phone SoCs. But the raw throughput, total computing power and game level graphics output of that 8 count all a-75 big core cluster is HUGE, even compared to today's Intel Core i7 chipsets. And that is just doing "old school compute comparisons" -- plug in a burgeoning AI and it's 20-30x throughput bonuses then suddenly you got compute power like you never ever saw it in a laptop or desktop ever before. Blow your mind time -- you can have as many clusters as you want to have. And you can have as few as two cores per cluster, too. EXAMPLE: The Centriq 2400 Qualcomm rack server chipset has 48 clusters of TWO A-75 main power cores per cluster in its current design ..... they actually got lots of room on the die to up the cores per cluster count to 4 EACH A-75 cores per cluster next year. The upcoming lithography shrink to 7m will make it all fit just dandy on the existing die and use the same chipset ball grid array (get to re-use the existing motherboards and everything). http://https://images.techhive.com/images/article/2015/10/chip-100620923-large.jpg This sort of stuff begins for serious in 2018 and will be totally rolled in by 2020 ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/05/17 at 17:24:07 https://youtu.be/TUoHUoVE6ZA https://liliputing.com/2017/12/hands-hp-envy-x2-windows-tablet-snapdragon-835.html https://liliputing.com/2017/12/amd-qualcomm-partner-ryzen-powered-pcs-snapdragon-lte-modems.html https://liliputing.com/2017/12/asus-unveils-novago-convertible-laptop-snapdragon-835-gigabit-lte.html https://liliputing.com/2017/12/qualcomm-introduces-snapdragon-845.html Big day in Computerland, a landmark sort of day. Qualcomm releases the brand new Snapdragon 845 chipset, swinging AI and DynamIQ and all the power that comes with those items. Things that simply do not apply to Microsoft's Windows world for anything at this point in time, these are things that apply much more to Android and Chromebooks and make them still more and more appealing. (while Microsoft strains to catch up yet again from over a year and a half in arrears). Yep, running most of two years "past the pale" Microsoft says they have Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chipsets in Win 10 for ARM machines finally up and working, and they have FINALLY begun to land them in the real world, but they are swinging the very restrictive Win 10 S rules (buy all apps from the Windows store all over again). These "buy all the software all over again" rules were written for Microsoft Win 10 S software for schools (but MS will allow you to upgrade to Win 10 Pro within 30 days if you can stand all the slowness that comes with that choice). Yep, you are left with your old slow arsed software running emulation on you new, yet still slower Snapdragon 835 processor if you choose to take that pathway ...... Note please, these are still machines PROMISED FOR NEXT YEAR, they are not really available for sale or testing just yet ...... And yes, Win 10 ARM on Snapdragon 835 is slower that all other Win 10 machines out there -- quite a bit slower actually. Costs seen so far are comparable to a normal Intel processor equipped laptop -- in short they are really kinda expensive right now. YEP, $600 TO $800 per unit IS WHAT IS COMING OUT SOON FROM ASUS AND HP. It is hoped that the aging 2+ year old Snapdragon 835 processors and very large amounts of competition from Chromebooks and Android phone/PCs will lower these initial Win 10 prices down into the upper Chromebook range but this has not happened yet. Microsoft really hopes Win 10 consumers are stupid and don't read all the reviews -- this is the only explanation that has kept Mickey going for the last 5 years as the cost of a Windows Laptop has doubled and doubled again and the real performance has kept lagging further behind, running slower and slower compared to Chromebooks. What is coming? Lots of competition in the marketplace, some innovation on both sides and two completely new generations of Snapdragons with AI capabilities. (Snapdragon 845 and Snapdragon 855 to be precise) Can Microsoft ever get current? Can they do better than being a whole year late in keeping up with the change wave? Coming out of the gate with a 2+ year old ARM chipset just in time to greet its brand new ARM next generation AI replacement chipset jest isn't going to cut it, Mickey. Not gonna cut it in any fashion at all ...... :P AMD is coming across as kinda sad too, they are slamming in a Qualcomm phone modem into their latest and greatest AMD integrated laptop chipset at the very last minute in an attempt to stay somewhat relevant. They are acting all shocked big time right now that somebody went and changed the whole game on them and they didn't even read the email until just now. HECK FIRE, Intel is not even sitting out in the starting gate with the other guys waiting for the starting gun. But Intel will shortly brown vapor announce the some of the same sorts of thing as AMD just did, but probably using their home grown (but not nearly as nice) phone modems. Eventually, mebbe sometime soon, anyway. Mebbe. :P ::) The cutting edge right now is a 7nm-8nm AI powered ARM DynamIQ based cutting edge, and this makes up a clear and harsh dividing line in laptop computers right now. You either got it, or you don't. The upcoming 20x-30x performance divide rests right here on this 7nm-8nm AI powered ARM DynamIQ based cutting edge. ;D Watch them ants all scramble as the Big Round DynamIQ Shadow with the small Bright AI Spot in the middle approaches them ..... and they will still be standing around in little groups still yelling at each other when their antenna start smoking and their heads explode ..... http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlVGdb9ymUVmyOVUe4XOSPkIbdmpC_Liy0bGjtxQcRqMBQOWkiiw =================================================== oooh, that AI bright spot is so bright I cannot see anything else but bright AI is landing now, and you can tell it is really being driven by Automotive AI visual systems improvements right now because it is all graphics improvements on top of sensing improvements on top of directional/locational improvements. 2x-10x immediate improvements in video this and sensing that and video systems throughput, with only 30% increase in general compute power ringing through at the moment. Your over the air updates will give you even better improvement numbers later on as the learning continues and the learned program results can come down to your phone in a nightly update. AI will show better results in other areas as soon as somebody actually wants it badly enough to go "learn" it, the AI systems are already sitting there and are being used for what people want done first right at the moment. =================================================== Don't hold your breath, but the Snapdragon 845 is really an interim chipset which is slated to be replaced this year with the Snapdragon 855 which will be run at 7-8nm lithography when that comes out from Samsung later this year. Expect more out of that one as it is getting all the real development work from Qualcomm and Samsung at the moment. Snapdragon 845 may be a stopgap, but it isn't a bad stopgap by any means. The Snapdragon 845 is said to be offer a 30 percent boost in graphics performance, 30 percent better power efficiency, and 2.5 times faster in display throughput. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/07/17 at 01:15:34 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/12/always-connected-windows-pcs-wont-just-use-arm-chips-as-intel-amd-join-the-fray/ https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/wireless-products/mobile-communications/xmm-7560-brief.html http://https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Intel-5G-modem-XMM-7560-800x533.jpg Intel poots out a real BROWN VAPOR DECEPTION response that is simply amazingly BAD on several fronts You have seen the pictures of the 835 and 845 SoC from Qualcomm several times over the last year -- yes the entire shebang really is that small. Smaller than a penny. Slightly smaller than the Intel thing shown above in the response photo Intel has just put out. So, Intel has come up with a fraudulently misleading set of images and text saying they are coming out with their "response" to Qualcomm's Snapdragon 845 and it will look like this ...... Hey, go look at it again closely, just to see if you can spot the fraud What is wrong is that thing shown isn't the entire shebang, it is JUST the separate Intel phone modem chipset which really is just as big as the entire Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 SoC a Qualcomm SoC which really does include 8 CPU cores, a GPU, 3 megabytes of L-2 memory, a base band, a modem and everything else needed to run a real, functional computer. Intel doesn't bother to show their viewing customers the rest of the HUGE SEPARATE CPU and GPU and all the rest of the motherboard mounted crap that have to exist on a HUGE power sucking Intel motherboard. This whole Intel announcement is EXTREMELY MISLEADING to say the least. Intel trusts their Intel customer base to be so absolutely blind, ignorant and uncaring as to not even notice they are being lied to by Intel yet again ..... :P Intel also claims their chip density is greater than everybody else, but their modem chipset alone by itself is bigger than a whole complete Qualcomm SoC. How is that possible again, Intel ???? http://https://cdn57.androidauthority.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-835-1340x754.jpg So, Intel really has no response except some visual / perceptional based BROWN VAPOR DECEPTION at this point in time. And their visual / perceptional deception also actually proves that they also lied about their superior "chip density" .... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/11/17 at 07:22:54 https://liliputing.com/2017/12/intel-launches-low-power-gemini-lake-chips-pentium-silver-celeron-models.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/gemini.jpg For the last few years Intel has been using the Celeron and Pentium names to describe both chips based on the same low-cost, low-power architecture as its Atom processors, and on its higher-performance (and cost) Core architecture. Now an Atom-based Pentium is called Pentium Silver, while a Core-based Pentium is called Pentium Gold. That saves you the trouble of looking up a model number if you want to figure out what kind of Pentium chip you’re looking at. Unfortunately there’s still no easy way to tell whether you’re looking at a Gemini Lake Celeron or a Core-based one without looking at the model number. Anyway, if you’re wondering why you’d want the less powerful Pentium Silver rather than Pentium Gold, here’s a hint: Intel describes them as “the cost-optimized option in the Pentium processor family,” while Pentium Gold chips are higher-cost models based on Intel Kaby Lake (Core) architecture. Intel says you should be able to get up to 10 hours of playback while watching HD video on a device with a Gemini Lake processor an a 35 Wh battery. As AnandTech notes, the new chips may have a lot in common with their Apollo Lake predecessors, but they’re not pin-to-pin compatible, which means PC makers can’t just recycle existing motherboard designs. That could affect the decision of if or when to release updates to existing laptops or desktops as a new motherboard is 100% required. So, the old Atom chipsets run at 14nm get a new name (once again). Question becomes, when the new ARM SoCs are here right now with 20hrs of run time and two weeks of standby time with WiFi and cell tower data streams Always On and possessing both speed and AI throughput that makes ARM SoCs FASTER than all of Intel's old Atom derivatives, pulling much better graphics and costing less money ..... :P ..... why is it that you need the old Intel Atom class of processors at all ??? See Intel churn all their old Atom chipset names one more time at 14nm --- jest real busy rearranging them deck chairs on the Titanic while the ship is slowly sinking under them ..... =================================================== Poor Intel, late on the same day as they pooted out their just barely renamed Atom old style 14nm processors, AMD went and announced an entire span of AI wielding (some with Qualcomm radios built into them) BRAND NEW laptop chipsets running on a just released 10-12nm Global Foundry processes. Adding salt to Chipzilla's open wounds, Google and Microsoft jointly announced anti-trust support for Qualcomm in order to resist the hostile take-over attempts by Broadcom as "anti-competitive, coercive and intentionally restrictive" to put it out in plain speak that the lawyers would never use. Intel was not mentioned by the Google/Microsoft response, but Apple was clearly called out as one of the takeover instigators. This clearly throws the Broadcom take-over attempt into the hands of the anti-trust regulators since the takeover has been called out as "objectionable" by the majority of the industry's major players. Hock Tan represents a foreign (Chinese/Malaysian) interest in this, which puts his bid in the worst possible light for a Republican regulator. Intel may be simply fated to get ground up in the struggle between the Big Boys, since they no longer are of a primary concern in this "steal a market" action, being too obsolete and too market share limited to fight effectively for either side in other words. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/14/17 at 07:01:35 https://liliputing.com/2017/12/amd-ryzen-35w-65w-laptop-chips-way.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/ryzen-g.jpg AMD’s first Ryzen Mobile chips aimed at laptops are 15 watt quad-core processors like the Ryzen 5 2500U and Ryzen 7 2700U. They’re designed to compete with Intel’s mainstream laptop chips like the Core i5-8250U and Core i7-8550U. But what about chips for higher performance laptops for users who value raw horsepower over long battery life? It looks like AMD’s got those too. A leaked product slide provides a few details about upcoming AMD Ryzen Mobile chips that will come in 65 watt and 35 watt versions and offer up to AMD Vega 11 graphics. If the slide is legit, here’s what we can expect: Ryzen 3 2200G with 4 cores, 4 threads and Vega 8 graphics (512 stream processors) Ryzen 5 2400G with 4 cores, 8 threads, and Vega 11 graphics (702 stream processors) Both are expected to come in 35W and 65W versions. There’s no word on the CPU speed or graphics clock speed. But it seems like these new G Series chips are going to pack a lot more power than AMD’s U series processors if and when they make it to market. AMD is uncloaking some new powerhouse APU laptop chipsets that include some major CPU horsepower, amazing integrated GPU graphics and enough AI "stream processors" to choke a horse. This is more power than has ever been used in a laptop before, (unless you go "super Surface with a Xenon processor" that is). Intel is still pushing an overly expensive Intel CPU, somebody else's GPU and no stream processors (nor any AI block of any kind) ..... ie non-competitive Meanwhile, AMD's newest laptop chipsets look to threaten Intel's main PC chipsets as far as horsepower goes, especially when the AI blocks become fully utilized. Being more than a bit over the top, it is CONJECTURED that these were being made specifically for Apple laptops. If so, expect them to come out at the 8nm Apple standard for this year's production and be replaced by something better at 6-7nm for next year. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/15/17 at 09:34:14 https://liliputing.com/2017/12/reports-samsung-and-xiaomi-to-launch-windows-10-on-snapdragon-devices.html Poor Intel Reports: Samsung and Xiaomi to launch Windows 10 on Snapdragon devices http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/windows-snap.jpg In terms of raw horsepower, early benchmarks suggest Windows devices with Qualcomm’s Snapdragon 835 processor tend to perform about as well as a machine with an Intel Apollo Lake low-power processor in terms of raw horsepower, while models with Qualcomm chips are expected to sell for higher prices than computers with their Intel counterparts. So the emphasis will be on the always-on, always-connected, ultraportable features. The Asus NovaGo, for instances, is a 13.3 inch convertible laptop with up to 22 hours of battery life and a $599 starting price, while the HP Envy x2 is a 12.3 inch 2-in-1 tablet that weighs 1.5 pounds, measures 0.3 inches thick, and offers up to 20 hours of battery life (and pricing TBA). Fudzilla speculates that Xiaomi, which has made a name for itself by selling low-cost, high-quality electronics will undercut some of its competitors on price. What remains to be seen is whether Xiaomi’s Windows on ARM devices will be sold in the US and Europe or if they’ll be confined to other markets where Xiaomi does business such as China and India. The Hockey Stick guys are ringing in now, so the prices will begin to plummet now. Still not anywhere even near a Chromebook price range at this time though. ;) jest wait until the Mediatek and Huawei chipsets get Win 10 on them ..... Intel has been kicked to the curb, and you will see this get clearer as the next 2 years roll by. Also remember using that new DynamIQ Cluster tech, these low end Hockey Stick Guys can build them a canned ARM prequalified design for an Intel desktop killer at will now. Xiaomi looks at Intel and just sees another huge juicy market that is ready to be taken over by Xiaomi. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/15/17 at 11:23:28 Hope of some extra competition on your internet bills https://liliputing.com/2017/12/att-begins-airgig-trials-gigabit-wireless-internet-wherever-power-lines-available.html https://liliputing.com/2017/12/high-speed-internet-delivered-by-lasers-coming-to-rural-india-thanks-to-alphabets-project-loon.html The two services have in common ..... using long distance WiFi to go the last part of a mile to your house. AT&T uses existing wired service to get to their last mile zone. Google can use lasers go go direct to an end hub, then fiber optic to get to the last mile zone and then run on Wifi for that last mile. Google is also willing to go up in the air to tethered balloons to get more than 10 mile coverage per end station and to use free floating balloons instead of aimed lasers or wires or any combo of the above to get to those end stations. (using various methods make sense due to geography and conditions) India has no rules to violate, so Google is experimenting where they have no entrenched laws to trip over like they have in the USA. |
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Title: Re: Androi:d/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/15/17 at 11:35:47 India has no rules to violate, so Google is experimenting where they have no entrenched laws to trip over like they have in the USA. So, no regulations to work around and service providers are working to see what they can do to provide services? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/16/17 at 15:22:32 Intel, churning their lesser chipsets nomenclatures repeatedly, renaming a given item with a more powerful chipset name then claiming "xx% in efficiency improvements" as the "new" Intel part number draws less current than the "old" part did ..... :P some slightly evil, smelly brown poot progress there Intel has done this for the last 2 years, all while stuck at 14nm lithography, it is a way of taking the credit for some generic Microsoft programming improvements by doing some slight of hand and then claiming their "new" processors actually did the improvements. Have some dual core processors benefitted from going from 2 to 4-6 cores? Yes, some have indeed gotten 10-15% better results on some the rewritten multi-threaded tests, but there has been no real single core Intel improvements in the last 2 years. Will ARM chipsets eventually lap past Intel's Core i chipsets? Yes, on two fronts they have done so already --- ARM chipsets have already surpassed Intel's best Atoms and lesser Core Ms. And then again up in the very top end of the server world the Centriq 2400 has surpassed the upper level Xenon server chipsets using a 48 cluster (2 cores per cluster) ARM design that costs far less than Intel's Xenon servers do while outperforming them clearly for both throughput and energy efficiency. News Flash 12/19/17 Intel announces new 45 watt Six Core laptop chipsets More of the same, or perhaps a bigger desktop catalog item simply relabeled after being sorted for defects? According to the pictures, what we’re looking at is a 45 watt, 6-core chip with a base clock speed of 2.4 GHz. Meanwhile, CPU Monkey has a listing for the Core i7-8700HQ chip, which seems to have similar specs. It looks like a significant upgrade over the Core i7-7700HQ, with more CPU cores, more cache, and a slightly higher graphics clock speed, among other things. The new chips are also said to support DDR4-2666 memory, up from the DDR4-2400 RAM supported by their equivalent 7th-gen chips. yep, desktop chips post sorted Having spanned and beaten all of Intel already (Intel being all stuck at 14nm lithography still) it isn't hard to think that some specifically designed brand new ARM Holdings canned "pre-approved" certified DynamIQ cluster based designs at 7-8nm may indeed lap any specified level of Intel Core i product once ARM (or a "built on ARM technology" licensee) decides to go design a cluster set to do just that. This task gets easier each time ARM lithography shrinks yet another full level below 14nm and Intel stays stuck exactly where they have been for the last 4+ years. Apple and Samsung just announced that 7nm is indeed going to commence this year with the first wave of SoCs coming from both TSMC and from Samsung. Global Foundries will stop at 8nm for yet another half year's worth of mini-progress before sliding down to 7nm. http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2013/04/02/Tom_Gill_lighthouse_(11)_20130402133154_640_480.JPG In a sense, Microsoft has just made the eventual death of Intel Core i products more possible by working with ARM's vendors to make the Qualcomm Centriq 2400 and the Snapdragon 835 and the Snapdragon 845 all quite real and very appealing while running Windows 10 on them. Windows 10 has gotten slightly lighter on its feet as it has moved towards ARM, but it is still relatively bulky and slow compared to Chrome OS and Apple OS products. But the ARM chipsets have gotten a LOT better lately, so they can handle the task now. HOWEVER, less of an Intel processor is needed to run Win 10 because Win 10 just got slightly better. So, Intel will rename their Intel product lines, shift the old chipsets "upstream" a notch namewise, then claim some brown vapor efficiency improvements because the new Core i5 takes less power to "do the same Win 10 job" as the old Core i5 did. [smiley=tongue.gif] And the highly competitive Hockey Stick boys all say Hmmmmmm ........ and now our ARM SoCs can run this stuff? I already own the license rights to make my up my own "built on ARM technology" versions of stock ARM designs ..... I can go do that right now. Xiaomi and Huawei have just realized there is a huge rare juicy Intel steak sitting out on the free buffet table and have just made the first moves to go cut their first big piece of meat off of that juicy steak ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/20/17 at 22:22:13 https://www.semiaccurate.com/2017/12/20/state-intels-10nm-process/ It is now being reported that Intel has "honesty issues" with very misleading general press release information they are reporting to the press and the "privileged information" given out to their stockholders to support their stock prices. Some British pundits are now calling Intel out for changing their core metrics calculations to show "numerical performance improvements" that don't really exist in production. Intel seems to be trying to hide the state of it’s 10nm process from the financial community. SemiAccurate feels that if they knew what was really going on, it would lead to some very uncomfortable questions from analysts. State of Play – 10nm and Fading: From the time we exclusively told you about 10nm Cannon Lake’s return from the fab, it was clear something was off. To say yields were bad was understating things to a degree that even the classic British humorists would not dare to delve. Normally from tapeout to product on the shelves, Intel takes ~12 months for server SKUs, less for consumer. According to SemiAccurate moles, it has been ~16 months and counting. Intel is insistent nothing is wrong but if you look at their recent Manufacturing Day messaging, one thing stood out. That thing is 20+ years of stating process progress was overturned with a new way of measuring progress that said that the 2+ year slip, at that time, for the 10nm process was not actually a problem, it was a technological breakthrough instead. SemiAccurate’s story above took so long to write after Manufacturing day because we had to stop laughing long enough for our eyes to come back into focus. Ask yourself this, do companies have a 20+ year track record of technical measurements suddenly change things? Does it signal anything to you if they do so when things appear to be going horribly wrong, product delayed 2+ years and so on? Do you find comfort in this new technical measurement showing that instead of the hard data showing things well off the rails which is no longer disclosed for some reason, instead it shows a major technological leap forward? Even if if completely contradicts the basic foundation of the company’s financial basis, essentially that shrinks lower cost and add performance? See why we were laughing so hard? One aside to think about, Intel’s official claims versus reality. Officially these 14nm products are on 14+, 14++, and 14+++ processes which are, again officially, big steps forward. SemiAccurate went into great detail about why this wasn’t true earlier, these are just the standard mid-life PDK updates that bring minor benefits, mostly from a relayout of the chip, not the process. It was about this time that Intel changed policy and refused to give out transistor counts and die sizes, even on released products. Why? What do you think that data would show about Skylake, Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake, and soon Whiskey Lake? Do you think it would show massive area gains that the company claims the +/++/+++ processes bring? I personally have wondered why an Intel modem chipset all by itself is larger than a complete integrated Snapdragon 845 SoC (an SoC that contains 8 processor cores, a Graphics System, 3 megs of on chip memory and an AI block). Mebbe this is the reason ????? (that Intel is still making a whole lot of their stuff on 22nm lithography lines that were moved from the USA to China while using the "generic" part numbers off the 14nm USA processes that have never yet made any large quantity lots with decent yields in the USA yet. Tricky part number adder nomenclature that are screen printed on the actual chips themselves excuses this action when reviewed in fine detail, but the fact you weren't told that they were actually building stuff using the lower grade C in the product while touting grade A chipsets in the initial press advertising releases really really sucks) Next, this is the third source that says Intel 10nm isn't yielding squat for good chipsets off of 10nm lithography, even when sorted 3 times the chips don't get close to throughputs that were specified and advertised. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/21/17 at 06:05:32 ut the fact you weren't told that they were actually building stuff using the lower grade C in the product while touting grade A chipsets in the initial press advertising releases really really sucks) Almost looks deceptive.. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/21/17 at 06:40:27 Intel does this sort of false, misleading BS and their stock prices respond by going UP immediately --- this key fact is what has trained Intel to be so deceptive. Intel realizes that stock pundits and normal people simply do not know enough to even interpret what is laid right out in front of them by the chip reporting people. Intel also has a set of well paid PC pundits that all chime in together with the "correct" Intel message whenever Intel puts their foot into a big brown smelly pile of IntelR stinky poo ..... Here are the simple facts --- Intel has done nothing real to advance their technological base in the last 2+ years. The only thing they have done is ape AMD by adding more and more cores, extra Intel cores past the count of 4 that aren't really supported in any meaningful fashion by Microsoft's Consumer Win10 OS products in any depth right now. New performance benchmarks had to be written to let the extra Intel cores past six count at all during testing .... yep, that defines "non-functional extra cores" to me. Slamming a 12-16 core Xenon Intel server chipset into a consumer product smells pretty much like the same thing. Linux always uses all the cores effectively, MS Win 10 does not, not unless you are actually running Windows Server OS and even that is testing out "fuzzy" on the new higher Intel core counts. FACT: Servers run Linux, not Windows anything for this very reason. Up in the Server world, people use old trusted supercomputer benchmarks that were written for myriad core supercomputers, impartial benchmarks that all say Intel processors aren't doing nearly as well as Qualcomm ARM server processors at the moment. ================================================== That new Intel Management Engine "security bug" activates in your brand new Lenovo computer if the first OTA update hits the machine before the corrected UEFI/BIOS support files are put in place -- there is no way for users to rectify the CPU deep error if the bug hatches before the various correction files are put into the machine beforehand. All vendors are frantically checking their warehouse stocks and holding all shipments until the machines are reloaded with the corrected files. HP says they have halted all Management Engine OTA update segments for all of their machines, but they cannot stop MS and Intel from having pushed their own older updates out to the machines already from before today. If you have a machine in your house, the bug has hatched already. http://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-me-bug-storm-is-your-machine-among-100s-just-named-by-acer-dell-hp-lenovo/ Due to the nature of the flaws, Dell also is recommending owners of potentially affected computers and servers ensure the hardware is "physically secured where possible" and that only authorized personnel have direct hands-on access. This is because a person with a specially loaded jump drive can get any secured info they want off the hatched bug machines as critical access holes are opened up on infected, but still running Wintel machines. Dell's client hardware advisory lists numerous Alienware, Inspiron, Latitude and Precision models affected. It plans to roll out updates through December and January, but lists many models as affected with updates to be determined. Dell has already released updates for 15 PowerEdge servers. Acer has published a long list of affected models, including devices in its Aspire and TravelMate Spin range. It has yet to determine dates that firmware updates will be released. Fujitsu is currently preparing support pages for products sold in different regions. This is a right mess --- all older "repurposed" Linux machines that were originally set up to get Intel Management Engine Win 10 updates (by vendor default when they were first built) are now dropping like flies due to the Intel Management Engine driver bugs hatching and growing uncontrolled. These machines cannot be fixed short of being rooted, low level scraped, and reloaded completely with new corrected files. Rooting and reloading in this case still leaves the rooted machines open to other forms of hostile attack from a variety of sources and pathways ...... as all the potential holes that get opened up by rooting have not yet been plugged in the Linux kernel at this point in time (6 months is a fair estimate until all the necessary kernel work is done as Intel isn't really cooperating for much at the moment). The only way to be safe on critical business uses is to get a brand new machine. Class Action suits for the entire cost of these replacement machines plus "lost time costs" are pending court dates. :P ..... it is amazing how little those 2 year plus old infected machines are said to be worth, dollar-wise, according to Intel -- especially when compared to the elevated cost of brand new replacement Wintel equipment. In short, Wintel is trying to make money on the new equipment sales, even if they have to pay out some for your old equipment. Linux vendors are putting together a selection of non-Intel based machines using new AMD processors. People are asking specifically for non-Intel processors now as they don't trust Chipzilla not to screw them over again in the future. Bad news is that AMD also used a form of Intel Management Engine as Microsoft required it as part of the OS license agreement (used it for their nightly update BS). |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/23/17 at 11:28:33 It is year's end 2017 and the start of 2018 -- time for some PREDICTIONS to be made and tested against reality when it becomes known. Intel is being affected by something they cannot abide ---- real competitors. Let's count up the things that have happened and put some predicted 2018 market share declines against Intel PC/Laptop. ARM 48 core Centriq chipsets in Server Space ..... Intel Xenons all have to expand core counts and die size drastically, net result is Intel's unit cost goes through the roof again in 2018 while trying to compete against the real alternatives. Intel winds up losing market share due to price/performance ..... 20% of new installation sales in SERVER SPACE moves away from Intel AMD Ryzen simply continues to advance at 10nm, then rolls down to a new lower 8nm lithography node this year and 7nm next year and gets even faster and cheaper to manufacture so Intel loses about the same percentage of new product sales dollars as they did last year for the next 2 years ...... 20-25% of new unit sales in PC desktop (includes both new AMD and Apple/Mac sales) AMD also uncorks their brand new 8nm laptop chipsets and because of much lower cost and better built in graphics Intel loses 25% of the existing laptop sales market share (again part of this change coming from Apple's using more AMD) causing Intel to lose ...... ~ net 25% ~ of new unit sales in mid to high end Laptop Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 low end laptops running Win 10 ARM stresses Intel in the lower end of things, snapping up lower price sales from bottom and mid-range. But because of relatively high prices charged for the new Qualcomm based units, the effect is only limited to 10-15% of low end market share and does not affect Chromebooks so much as Wintel units. Intel strikes back by paying Google to "Chrome support and fully qualify" several still physically larger, stronger, "better but not cheaper" Chromebook level Intel chipsets, which causes Chromebooks as a class to actually still better and to sell as well as ever in the upcoming year. Problem is that this pulls still more units out of Wintel's oldstyle laptop market share as a whole, rounding the laptop market loss numbers up to a roughly 35% decline in old style "traditional" Wintel based laptops. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/goldmont-plus_01-768x637.jpg Intel still fights fiercely over the Chromebook market zone, but is unable to stop several newly designed ARM DyamIQ competitor chipsets from Rockchip and Mediatek from entering into the Chromebook marketplace and starting to take some share from the lower end of things. Intel China however continues to gain in Far Eastern share by transferring all remaining 22nm lines over to China, and the Chinese Intel subsidiary then makes hay by flooding the burgeoning Far Eastern markets with older "more slightly obsolete" Intel 22nm designs at new "cheaper than dirt" prices. Under Chinese management and using cheap Chinese raw materials and labor, Intel finally becomes more cost competitive. Resulting new growth from the Far East is so large that Intel actually grows in total while losing ground in America and Europe and South Korea and Japan. Intel China becomes dominant in Intel International and begins calling the shots in the corporation. PC/Laptop in USA becomes a relatively minor role for Intel, with over half of Intel's new profits coming from supplying raw components such as radios, location devices and memory to Automotive vendors and to the various other players. Automotive and IoT still grows year on year at rates greater than Intel's net losses in PC and Laptop. Chipzilla continues into the next year based mostly out of China ....... rolling more and more away from the PC/Laptop arena. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/23/17 at 16:49:55 People are So SikkAndPhukkinTIRED of being lied to and jerked around there's no telling how severely the market will punish them. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 12/29/17 at 07:35:15 https://wccftech.com/intel-developing-new-x86-uarch-succeed-core-generation/ The Intel ‘Core’ legacy will come to an end with Tiger Lake in 2019 – To be succeeded by a lean and mean approach to x86 The reason for doing so is simple, by no longer guaranteeing backward compatibility, Intel could save precious die space by removing the hardware for legacy SIMDs and other legacy features. The result would be a much leaner and more efficient x86 architecture that can deliver a bigger bang for lower resources on-die. According to the source, the architecture will be used to replace the current Core series on the Desktop and Enterprise market. It is possible that Intel shifts the 100% backward compatible x86 towards the server side where legacy operations might actually be required on a continuous basis. If this news turns out to be true then Tiger Lake would be the last iteration of the current x86 architecture from Intel Corporation. This is expected to arrive sometime in 2019 so we can expect the brand new x86 implementation to land by 2020 approximately. One of the reasons we believe that this rumor is actually true is because Intel has already taken steps in this direction with the advent of Skylake, which can be thought of as the first significant change since the Sandy Bridge era. The focus on mobile and energy efficiency is clearly obvious and the removal of gimmicks such as the Fully Integrated Voltage Regulator (FIVR) (remember that?) shows a much more mature outlook on on-package economics. Intel is planning on changing up x86 for something else, something that AMD does not license at this point in time ??? Then Intel is planning on legally killing off a chunk of their competition, again, in other words. Trying to create an advantage jest for themselves, naturally. Intel also sees Microsoft actively jumping ship for ARM/Qualcomm right now, so they are also perhaps attempting to force MS back into the exclusive Wintel marriage fold again (more vague brown vapor promises, as if MS doesn't know Intel's modus operandi by now). Intel is also VERY TIRED of losing market share to ARM RISC influenced processors because CISC x86 is so very very bulky and slow compared to the RISC influenced design alternatives. AMD is teetering on going completely over to the ARM side and you can see RISC influences in the current wave of Ryzen chipsets. Intel also sees Google playing around with Fuschia OS, a brand new superfast code base that would run best on stripped down RISC chipsets. If Intel were actually designing a generation of Intel processors to try to run Fuschia at full speed then this would all hang together pretty well (just leaving MS out in the cold this time around). SO, Intel is again acting self-delusional, if there is any REAL ADVANTAGE to what they are planning on doing, FOSS and Linux will have programmed up a variant for it that will allow both old and new hardware to be repurposed. ::) Or they can go with ARM DynamIQ chipsets and FOSS Fuschia, and jest let new Intel go off and play all by its lonesome. =================================================== Intel's plans are proprietary brown murky vapor that won't jell for two more years at least. On the other hand, Google's Fuchsia "FOSS only" future pathway is getting clearer all the time now ...... http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/12/30/pixelbook-used-test-googles-fuchsia-os/ http://www.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/nexus2cee_DSC08600-728x485.jpg For over a year, Google has been developing an operating system named 'Fuchsia,' designed to run across a wide array of devices. The company hasn't said anything publicly about it, but it is entirely open-source, so development on the project has been transparent. Simply put, we can see what Google is working on, but we don't know what it will actually be used for. According to Fuchsia's documentation, the Acer Switch Alpha 12 and Intel NUC are officially supported 'target' devices. This means that Fuchsia has been verified to work on those devices, and they are most likely the top devices to be used for testing. A page about installing Fuchsia on the Google Pixelbook was recently added, which explains the process of placing the laptop in developer mode and booting from a USB drive which would be common during early development. Does this prove the Fuchsia will someday replace Chrome OS? Definitely not. However, it does mean that Google wants to make sure the OS works on high-end laptops, like the Pixelbook. Will Fuchsia end up as a stable operating system that runs across a wide array of computers/tablets/phones? Only time will tell ...... right now it is beginning to look like it Me, I think Google has been "arranged to be disrupted" by its enemies once before ostensibly by a newly landed sue-you Sam who had bought them a chunk of some old somewhat partially patented software tech that could be interpreted to impinge on Android in some vague ancient "pre-Dalvik" fashions while good 'ol Sue You was rummaging around in the boxes at some dead parent company's estate sale. Google doesn't care to repeat that "Hey, let's go sue Google" experience with the next wave of old company garage sale sell offs. (and there are quite a few of these garage sales that are coming up in the next 5 years) Try it again and Google will simply say, "Sorry, here's all that IP you are now claiming to be able to restrict." Then they will let the world go deal with "sue-you Sam" according to their own local laws while they continue to roll out carefully documented totally FOSS from the get go Fuschia OS. =================================================== We have manufacturers now spontaneously "announcing" that their hardware is now part of the Fuschia "target" development trials and will be supported from the very beginning by actual Fuschia development and testing. Hey, for the landed cost of a test unit that is a VERY cheap price to get on to the newest bus in town before it even rolls off the assembly line. So far we got about a third of the mgf. crew participating voluntarily, willingly and eagerly. These are mostly the odder, lower cost devices with ARM chipsets and of course a few of the main players with the current generic Intel chromebook chipsets. The trick is that the lower power ARM processors will run Fuchsia like a scalded ape ..... you don't need a mega processor for Fuschia nor do you need the killing big memory either. More (faster) memory simply means more tabs able to be open all the time, somewhat faster tabbing too. Folks seem to want a real alternative to Intel and Microsoft, as the Wintel pair has fouled up their nest fairly badly in the past 2 years ...... HOWEVER, this is all future speak as Wintel still rules in computing right now by a very large margin. And Windows users are STILL acting "fairly numb" to the repeated screwing overs they keep on getting from Wintel. :P Largest effect: Google will become like Apple, able to tune OS and Hardware to optimize good competitive stuff -- which being Google instead of Apple the good stuff that was built becomes available to everybody effective the very next year. ALSO NOTE: |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/02/18 at 02:16:13 https://techreport.com/news/33014/further-details-of-intel-kaby-lake-and-radeon-union-leak http://https://techreport.com/r.x/2017_11_06_Intel_announces_mobile_Core_SoC_with_Radeon_graphics_onboard/intelradeon.jpg More perverted nonsense stuff from Intel's wild non-competitive search for relevance. Intel's Indian web site leaked some tasty details of the company's upcoming CPU with Radeon graphics on package yesterday. One of those CPUs, now officially known as the Core i7-8809G, showed up on the company's overclockable desktop CPU list before being scrubbed. The leak revealed several tantalizing new facts about this union of blue-team and red-team technologies. Most critically, the info Intel posted revealed that the i7-8809G will have a "target package power" of 100 W. Intel has already said that the CPU on the i7-8809G will be one of its H-series (35 W or 45 W) parts, so that means the graphics portion of the package could have roughly 55 W or 65 W to play with if we presume that power budgets are mostly fixed between this duo of functional units. The CPU side of the i7-8809G will have four cores, eight threads, a 3.1 GHz base clock and 8 MB of L3 cache. Intel didn't provide boost speeds, but those base-clock and cache figures are dead ringers for the i7-7920HQ that tops Intel's Kaby Lake H-series offerings today. That chip has a 4.1 GHz boost speed, and if the i7-8809G does prove overclockable, builders might be able to push the CPU even further with some tweaks. Despite the eighth-generation model number, the CPU die on board the i7-8809G bears all the hallmarks of being caffeine-free. The DDR4-2400 maximum memory speed points to this being a Kaby Lake-H quad-core chip. Coffee Lake six-core parts like the Core i5-8400, Core i5-8600K, Core i7-8700, and Core i7-8700K all support DDR4-2666 out of the box, while quad-core chips like the Core i3-8100 stick with the Kaby Lake-standard DDR4-2400. Intel's leak also confirmed that the i7-8809G boasts Radeon RX Vega graphics power alongside its Intel CPU. Intel didn't reveal any information about the processing resources or graphics memory available from the Radeon RX Vega M GH processor, but the package power figure and our back-of-the-napkin divvying-up of that figure suggest that this could be a Radeon RX 550 or Radeon RX 560-class GPU. OK, take a complete standard AMD fully integrated chipset and sling it on to a daughterboard arrangement with a similar power similar core count Intel processor, ink stencil Intel on the Intel portion of the above monstrosity then sell it as a 100 watt laptop/desktop solution in a world where the AMD half is getting replaced soon with a 40 watt replacement that will be a much better more powerful laptop solution. What part of the above makes any sense to you ???? ( Why it is dumb ..... you have to PAY for all these processors whether you use them or not. You have to pay to power them too, off a laptop battery system no less. Can you say "kludgy stop-gap thinking"? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/02/18 at 11:01:58 https://liliputing.com/2018/01/zhaoxin-wants-to-take-on-intel-and-amd-in-desktop-space-with-kx-5000-cpu.html http://https://g-search1.alicdn.com/img/bao/uploaded/i4/i2/2334708213/TB1OFicSFXXXXcDaXXXXXXXXXXX_!!0-item_pic.jpg_210x210.jpg Zhaoxin wants to take on Intel and AMD in desktop space with KX-5000 CPU Once upon a time Intel and AMD weren’t the only companies producing x86 chips for desktops. VIA Technologies was a minor player in this space up until a few years ago, but the company has largely been focused on embedded chips for the past few years. Now a company called Zhaoxin, which is co-owned by Shanghai and VIA is announcing plans for a new line of processors that could eventually compete with AMD and Intel’s latest offerings. It’s not clear if VIA is actively participating in development of the new chips, but VIA has a license to produce x86 processors, which means that Zhaoxin does too. Zhaoxin has produced a handful of x86 processors over the past few years, but according to reports from eefocus and semi.org.cn, the new KX-5000 is the first to fully support modern technologies including DDR4 memory, PCIe 3.0, and USB 3.1 Type-C. The 28nm chips will be available in quad-core and octa-core versions clock speeds up to 2.4 GHz. They also feature integrated graphics and support 4K video playback. Zhaoxin plans to move to a 16nm processor and support speeds up to 3 GHz for its upcoming KX-6000 chips, and add support for DDR5 memory and PCIe 4.0 with the eventual KX-7000. At this point Zhaoxin’s chips aren’t likely to overtake Intel’s (or even AMD’s) in the global market. But China has been focused on developing home-grown alternatives to chips designed by Western companies for a number of years, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see Chinese PC makers like Lenovo opt for these chips for computers that will be sold in their home market. In fact, Lenovo is already said to be planning to launch an M6200 computer powered by the KX-5000 sometime this year. The Chinese government needs updated computers for military and gov uses. Intel has become completely abhorrent to the Chinese at this point in time due to the Management Engine debacle. So the Chinese are rolling their own PCs now ...... =================================================== https://techreport.com/news/33018/via-joint-venture-reveals-kx-5000-x86-socs-for-chinese-pcs http://https://techreport.com/r.x/2018_01_02_Chinese_Zhaoxin_Semi_announces_x86_KX_5000_CPUs/Clipboard01.jpg Chinese site EEFocus reports that Zhaoxin Semiconductor, Via's joint venture with the Chinese government, has announced the KX-5000 line of x86-64-compatible chips, which it claims are the first Chinese processors with full integration of platform controller chips and dual-channel DDR4 memory controllers. The x86-64 KX-5000 CPUs will come in four- and eight-core versions manufactured by TSMC on a 28-nm process. The chips use an SoC design with integrated graphics, video decoding, SATA and USB controllers, PCIe 3.0 interfaces, and a dual-channel DDR4 memory controller. Zhaoxin claims the processors will be able to run at speeds above 2 GHz. While EEFocus didn't share any deeper details of the KX-5000's "Wudaokou" microarchitecture or thermal design power specs for these SoCs, Via's past x86 CPU efforts have been designed with low cost and power efficiency in mind, so we'd expect these parts to compete with Intel's lower-power Atom cores. The KX-5000 is one part of a larger roadmap at Zhaoxin. The venture reportedly plans a 16-nm follow-up called KX-6000. The company already sells four- and eight-core ZX-C CPUs that can run Microsoft Windows or China-developed operating systems. These chips don't use the SoC design that's the hallmark of the KX-5000, according to Golem.de, so the transition from separate CPU and platform controllers to a fully-integrated design might mark a major advance for Zhaoxin's chips. Zhaoxin's existing processors are sold in the Chinese market only, and we suspect that the same policy will apply to the KX-5000 for the immediate future. Please note this new Beijing Communist Government owned Zhaoxin Semiconductor effort is making an integrated SoC right off the bat, something Intel hasn't really yet pulled off successfully. If I were Intel I would expect to see another 10-25% of my international market share taking a hike over the next year, year and a half if things go really really well for Intel and their fixes for their Management Engine go smoothly and well. Otherwise, it will hurt even worse ...... After all, this is a CHINESE DOMESTIC PC and Laptop chipset competitor, someone who will automatically get a good bit of preference by the Chinese Communist government, naturally, since the Beijing government owns over half of Zhaoxin Semiconductor company and also has interests in TSMC foundry who will be building it first off as well. By fiat, the Beijing government could simply say Intel is functionally out of business in China if their current Intel irritation level remains as strong as it is now. And this all assumes Intel can actually stop stepping on its own limp willy all the time like it has been doing repeatedly lately ..... :P |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/03/18 at 08:36:08 Oh golly gee ---- EVERYBODY'S irritation level just went up a notch -- a 30% loss in performance notch !!! Most PCs and servers are about to get slower thanks to security updates patching major Intel CPU vulnerability http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/kblr.jpg A kernel is the core of an operating system that tells the OS how to interact with the CPU, memory, and other hardware. Because it’s such as an important component of the operating system, it has a special, protected area of memory called “kernel space” that’s separate from the “user space” which is what you mostly use when you’re running programs on a PC. But it looks like the vulnerability could allow software running in user space to access the contents of kernel memory. Among other things, that means if you’re surfing the web you might encounter a website that uses JavaScript to access passwords or other cached data that’s supposed to be isolated and protected in kernel space. Since this is a chip-level vulnerability, software developers have had to implement a pretty big workaround by completely changing the location of the kernel. Unfortunately, that means it will take longer to complete some tasks. You can find more details about why the security patch will slow down computers at Python Sweetness and The Register, but some folks are predicting Intel-powered computers could take a performance hit of between 5 and 30 percent. Some technologies added to recent Intel processors could help mitigate that, so it’s possible that chips released in the past few years won’t be affected as much as older models. And not all activities are likely to be slower after the software updates roll out. Phoronix has already run some benchmarks on systems using the new Linux 4.15 kernel, and finds little change in video gaming performance, video transcoding or Linux kernel compilation tasks, but a big slow-down in PostgreSQL and Redis performance. We could see a major impact on performance of servers, with Amazon, Microsoft, and Google set to roll out security updates soon. While we already know that Microsoft and Linux developers are working on patches, it’s likely that Apple will also issue its own update soon, since the company’s desktop and notebook computers also use Intel processors. Interestingly, it looks like an upcoming Linux kernel update will also separate the kernel and user spaces for 64-bit ARM processors, suggesting it may not just be Intel chips that are affected by the vulnerability. AMD notes that it’s chips aren’t affected by the same vulnerability, which could be very, very good news for the company now that it’s got a line of Ryzen processors that are within striking distance of their Intel counterparts when it comes to pre-patch performance. It’ll be interesting to see how Ryzen-powered laptops and desktops compare to Intel-powered machines after the security updates are fully rolled out. Intel has just gifted their competitors with a 30% speed advantage IF they are bright enough to immediately get away from the old Intel x86 standard ASAP. AMD should start an awareness campaign right away since AMD RYZEN MACHINES ARE SUPPOSEDLY NOT AFFECTED BY THE FIX and you SHOULD NOT patch an AMD Ryzen computer with the Intel patches as it is really a form of DynamIQ Hybrid machine anyway. :o ::) :o ::) :o ::) :o ::) :o ::) :o ::) :o ::) :o ::) :o ::) And if Intel doesn't get its ass sued off extensively for the 1/3 loss of compute time and for "required replacement equipment for secured operations" by your own lawyers, then by all means join yourself to a class action suit ASAP and let their lawyers handle it all for you. Oooops, I just pooped myself again --- I can't move my arms very well, so could you wipe up for me again, please, Mr. Userman? And please don't sue me for the cost of the toilet paper ...... http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2013/04/02/Tom_Gill_lighthouse_(11)_20130402133154_640_480.JPG Boy, aren't you glad that that these modern Wintel systems require such lowered levels of user maintenance ???? Jest look at all those stinky brown snowballs ...... :-/ Ya gotta stop and READ THIS -- it is a comprehensive Financial review of Intel by Seeking Alpha and it is brutally honest. Seeking Alpha has just moved Intel over to a "Sell Short" recommendation. https://seekingalpha.com/article/4075423-intel-may-lose-half-market-capitalization-2-years |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/03/18 at 10:15:58 That's some analysis right there.. I'll enjoy your following it as it unfolds. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/03/18 at 10:20:39 Justin, just click on this link and read your eyes out. Forbes, Ars Technica they all are saying different flavors of the same thing, functionally, Intel just pooped themselves BIGTIME & has just died from the resulting terminal case of diarrhea . https://www.google.com/search?q=Intel+chip-level+vulnerability&oq=Intel+chip-level+vulnerability&aqs=chrome..69i57.7874j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Shares of AMD were up nearly 6% just this morning on news of the Intel bug. =================================================== https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/whats-behind-the-intel-design-flaw-forcing-numerous-patches/ PC and Linux press are beginning to report on "the rest of the story" and it is indeed grim on the second read through. The real performance hit numbers seem to run between 17% and 50% on the speed declines --- mainly due to having to re-allocate and then clean up the re-allocated memory space every dozen cycles or so. What is scary is that this constant required rewriting of allocation tables is creating in and of itself a potential for further exploits to be written by hackers. Furthermore, it is now clear why Intel kept all this stuff stone cold dead secret for a reason, once the system is understood it is PERMANENTLY vulnerable to hackers. Now you see why Intel is saying that they are having to create a non-legacy bios system and an all new replacement OS to totally replace x86 -- x86 is totally shot as of today -- and Intel can't fix it. While Intel systems are the ones known to have the defect, they may not be the only ones affected. Some platforms, such as SPARC and IBM's S390, are immune to the problem, as their processor memory management doesn't need the split address space and shared kernel page tables; operating systems on those platforms have always isolated their kernel page tables from user mode ones. But others, such as ARM, may not be so lucky; comparable patches for ARM Linux are under development. This makes it sound like just about all the OS systems need to be rethought completely and all the x86 legacy type thinking needs to hit the trash can in this OS transition. Now it is clear what Intel was saying ...... and it simply reinforces the fact that using a Wintel system for any secure banking or credit card system is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE GOING FORWARD. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/03/18 at 14:31:51 Lookie, MS's lips are moving again ....... Intel has confirmed reports that a security vulnerability affecting its processors. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/intel-chips.jpg In a statement, Intel says the company doesn’t believe the security exploit could be used to modify, delete, or corrupt data… but stealing your passwords and other sensitive information is probably bad enough, which explains why a massive effort is underway to address the issue through operating system updates. Intel says it’s working with other technology companies to resolve the issue… and notes that it doesn’t just affect Intel processors. The chip maker says it had planned to disclose the issue next week, after more of the necessary software and firmware updates were available. But Intel released its brief statement today “because of the current inaccurate media reports.” So what’s inaccurate? First, the Intel suggests that there’s no “bug” or “flaw” in its chips, but rather than an exploit has been discovered that can collect sensitive data from “computing devices that are operating as designed.” That one sounds open to interpretation to me. The chips and software work… but they’re vulnerable to a previously undisclosed method of attack. Is that a bug? Apparently Intel doesn’t think so. Intel also says “contrary to some reports, any performance impacts are workload-dependent, and, for the average computer user, should to be significant and will be mitigated over time.” That’s actually in keeping with what we noted earlier today: some activities such as gaming seem to be largely unaffected. But as discovered by Phoronix, some tasks, like PostgreSQL and Redis seem to take serious performance hits on a Linux system with the updated version of the Linux Kernel designed to address the security vulnerability. So you may or may not notice a big performance hit depending on what it is you’re using your computer for. Finally, Intel also says that it’s not the only company whose products are affected and that the company is “working closely with many other technology companies, including AMD, ARM Holdings, and several operating system vendors” on the issue. Despite the implication that AMD chips are affected, an AMD software engineer has explicitly that the company’s chips are not subject to the same types of attacks. It’s probably not surprising that Intel’s stock price ended the day about 3.4 percent lower than yesterday, while AMD's stock price was up more than 5 percent at the end of the day. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/03/18 at 19:12:31 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/meltdown-and-spectre-every-modern-processor-has-unfixable-security-flaws/ https://liliputing.com/2018/01/intel-amd-arm-weigh-spectre-meltdown-security-vulnerabilities-discovered-googles-project-zero.html OK, this is really thick and chewy to read and impossible to follow totally because of all the remaining secrecy from Intel, but it explains in layman's terms what is going on and why (to a degree) suddenly Intel intends to replace traditional x86 processors with something quite different inside the next year or so. Responsible OS vendors like Google have been working quietly on this sort of thing for nearly a year since the first hints of it were first discovered --- and this, by itself, explains many of the little strange Intel and Microsoft Win 10 tag end roll out moves "that made no sense" early on in the past calendar year. It may also explain why the Andromeda project got suddenly dropped and a veil of silence fell over plans to unify ChromeOS and Android (and why suddenly, abruptly, ChromeOS was the path being followed and all the neatest Android features were suddenly being absorbed by ChromeOS instead of the other way around as was initially planned to happen). Remember, each tab on ChromeOS runs separately in its own memory allocation sandbox and cannot reach out of it, so it has natural security levels that other OS systems simply do not have. Then the two massive purgings of the Android Play Store and the Apple Store for non-compliant softwares (implemented by shutting down 'non-compliant" older softwares totally) suddenly has a more clear explanation to it as well. If your stuff does odd things -- out you go. The Fuschia OS project itself first started up around this point in time as an exploration that was based on using only brand new modern softwares that did not have the 30 years worth of past sins to cover up, patch over and twiddle/fix. Legally, Intel's legal exposure level right now literally has no bounds, especially since they permitted continuing sales of known vulnerable hardware to continue the whole time (over a year now) and every password that has been lost since then due to their uncorrected & unannounced chipset security holes are all legally on their heads. Even now, today, Intel is trying to deny the issue even exists, much less that they actually own the problems it created ...... What is becoming clear is that to keep "speculation pre-execution of branch predictions" from exposing any security level data in an ongoing fashion means slowing down these sorts of processes by 17%-50% and totally clearing all buffers every 15 seconds or so. The thrust to find OS and chipset combinations that do not have these issues will be intense, especially over in server space. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/03/18 at 20:17:42 Even today, Intel is trying to deny the issue even exists, much less that they actually own the problems it created ...... The top dogs are slow peddling that information while they sell their stocks.... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/03/18 at 20:29:39 https://liliputing.com/2018/01/samsung-introduces-exynos-9810-processor-ai-multimedia-enhancements.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/9810.jpg Smartphone chips keep getting faster, but it takes more than speed to stand out these days. So Samsung isn’t just talking about how its new Exynos 9810 chip is faster than its predecessors. The company says the new chip also has a faster LTE modem and enhanced support for “deep learning enhanced image processing,” among other things. In fact, Samsung’s press release suggests the Exynos 9810 isn’t just for phones. It could also be used in automotive systems and other products that might need the ability to process a lot of visual data quickly (like a light thin laptop running Win 10s or in an automotive guidance system). The upcoming Exynos 9810 is a 2.9 GHz octa-core processor built using a 10nm process. It uses four high-power custom CPU cores and four lower-power cores. Samsung says it offers up to 40 percent better multi-core performance and up to 2 times the single-core performance of last year’s Exynos 8895 chip. Other features include a dedicated security processing unit for protecting biometric data including fingerprint, iris, and face recognition information, a Cat,18 LTE modem with support for 1.2 Gbps download and 200 Mbps upload speeds, and an updated multi-format codec for faster and more efficient processing of images and visual data. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/04/18 at 01:57:20 5F4046415C5B6A5A6A52404C07350 wrote:
Justin is quite correct, Intel's head dog CEO Brian Krzanich sold off $24 million worth of stock and options in the company in late November on a down position. All the while he's saying "It's not really an issue, really". What do you think? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/04/18 at 02:19:38 It's not hard to see what they are doing when the situation is like this. Aaand it's a good thing he got it done. https://www.yahoo.com/news/design-flaw-found-intel-chips-fix-causes-them-152935477--finance.html I wonder if he's gonna get the Martha Stewart treatment.. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/04/18 at 03:35:04 Brian Krzanich sold off a cool $24 million worth of stock and options in the company in late November, which says he personally was very aware of the situation and intended to hold off saying anything until Google forced his hand by giving everybody a deadline date of the 9th of this month to come clean with the public. And yes, when Martha Stewart did stuff like that she was found guilty of insider trading and she went to jail over it. Then British Tech reporters from the Register and then reporters from Ars Technica broke the story early before Intel's public relations people could have their tame talking heads all chime in together to say "It is a common problem that affects everybody and nobody is at fault here." The paid shills are chiming in saying it now, but nobody is listening to them at the moment. A lot more will come out in the next month, and it will be interesting what the EU regulatory agencies do in response to the Western World losing ~30%~ of their existing processing utilization capability on all Intel computing platforms because of dodgy Intel chip designs and somewhat arrogant & stupid (top secret) Intel sub-systems that were built to be separate and apart and totally immune to all security software systems and update systems currently in use. Let's see if the AMD stuff is really really immune, in which case AMD servers are now at least 20% faster than Intel in most real use cases. Please remember that most workhorse SERVER OS SYSTEMS do not even have graphical interfaces by and large, so Google can move very quickly to create and prove out a non-Intel based Fuschia Server OS System that is based on DynamIQ ARM systems. Ditto, FOSS Linux can prove out a non-Intel Server even faster, they already have it right now and it is called the Qualcomm Centriq 48 Core Falcor Server System and it runs old existing supercomputer Linux. And there are IBM Server Systems out there that are in the same boat -- simply not affected by Intel's current little poo poo pile. https://www.anandtech.com/show/12025/qualcomm-launches-48core-centriq-for-1995-arm-servers-for-cloud-native-applications :P Last time his major stock holders tried to oust Krzanich he threw 3 of his lieutenants under the bus to save his own arse. Wonder how many it will take this time ???? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/04/18 at 14:30:38 https://liliputing.com/2018/01/intel-amd-arm-weigh-spectre-meltdown-security-vulnerabilities-discovered-googles-project-zero.html The third level of reporter checks are done now, with vendors officially asked and officially actually responding since the secret is officially out now. Intel is the only one who has not ALREADY effectively dealt with the Spectre and Meltdown issues even though their processors are the ones most greatly affected. And yes, the 17% to 50% slowdown issue is real, although the number is indeed variable according to the tasks at hand. Intel is still saying it isn't their issue to fix, but that patches will go out from Microsoft on a nightly update sometimes soon. In the low integrity vague brown vapor land where Intel lives, Intel is innocent since all their equipment was built to "strict published processor industry standards" and this attack vector is just like any other virus/trojan attack in the last 20 years, something that needs patching in the OS software. It is not needing to be addressed in the years old physical hardware itself, which is quite impossible to do anyway. So, Intel is "doing everybody else a favor" by helping them while they are working on these software fixes, in Intel's brown tinted eyes anyway. It is up to a court room to dice this all out, I am afraid. There are many hundreds of companies adversely affected by the data breaches that used this exploit and there are many Millions of users that will be affected by the processing slow downs required by the fix itself. Intel is taking a drubbing in the press, with image losses and trust issues galore as they are the dead last to announce the issues or to fix anything. Should Intel be held liable for baulking at announcing the issues, in not pursuing the fixes and for letting more and more machines be built (and more and more password data to be lost) since they were first informed of the issues over a year ago? In the EU, the answer will be YES, Intel is liable. In America, not such a clear cut answer as the NSA required backdoor issue has been raised yet again by Intel's tame press pundits. In China, the answer will be both quick, clear cut and FIRMLY ENFORCED by AK47 wielding troops, ASAP, military style. China is not pleased about another back door being built and quite artfully concealed deep inside the Intel processor itself. Ditto for Germany and France. People have been asking how the heck Russia has been getting access to all these various secured computers all over the world so easily ...... I think they have their answer now ...... "Fool me once, shame on you --- fool me twice, shame on me --- fool me again, you get shot." =================================================== The late boys roll their fixes finally, everybody but Intel that is ...... no fixes coming from Intel yet at all. https://liliputing.com/2018/01/security-updates-help-protect-meltdown-spectre-attacks-starting-roll.html Let me please remind you, that this situation was uncovered by Google, the early fixes were orchestrated by Google, Linux and FOSS. May I also remind the people who are "afraid of Google" because the Wintel shills told them to be afraid of Google ---- they are being afraid of the wrong people and are definitely listening to the wrong sources when making these decisions. Rule of thumb, if Google is acting in concert with Linux and FOSS and you see all three doing it together, then whatever it is it is always as clean as the new fallen snow. Alphabet acting by itself, eh, look twice ...... self interest can creep in. ::) Intel and MS are always suspect no matter what they do |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/04/18 at 16:24:45 When Industry Standard is SubStandard AND causes the consumer harm, WHILE the consumer is being Told how cutting edge and great the product is, someone should swing. G.M. and the ignition switch. And the unaddressed issue of the potentially fatal air bags . Also, Russia didn't give information to Assange. His reputation is spotless. He said he didn't get the information from any State. He implied as loudly as possible that Seth Rich did it. You remember, Seth, robbed and shot, and nothing was taken. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/05/18 at 00:43:34 OK, I run Linux on a 10 year old Intel processor equipped Dell CAD box, so I have to actually go do something to protect myself from Spectre and Meltdown. I am using Intel and I must be protected from Intel itself ...... Why do I have to do something ??? Simply because Linux requires the user to control security settings. Linux does not allow itself to change your computer in any major fashion behind your back, ever. YOU run Linux, not vice versa. Amount of time to do it, less than 30 seconds. Trouble to do it, copy a line of stuff to the Chrome Browser bar and hit enter, then flip the switch you see to green, then exit out of the stuff back to normal land. Knowledge required to set that line of stuff up -- quite a lot I suspect -- but knowledge needed by the real end user is approaching zero. Copy, paste, enter, click once, exit. What did I turn on? I enabled the new advanced sandboxing feature in my Chrome browser (and it was already sitting there, waiting on me to turn it on) the same sandboxing thing that has always existed in Chrome OS. Yes, this is brand new thing of a month or so ago, part of the FOSS group efforts against Meltdown and Spectre. If you run Chrome browser on Windows, you have the same stuff available to you, or you will shortly when Microsoft gets around to including the capability to use it inside itself. There are other smaller things that have been quietly done, inside Linux Mint and inside Chrome browser, that finish up the job by changing how long things can be kept in cache, but I had to turn them on with my one little lighted box mouse click. Chromebook users had NOTHING to do to fix anything, Google took care of it during an update over a month ago. Remember, Chromebook style ChromeOS isn't pure Linux, it is Google's read on what people really really want, which is never to have to think about it or deal with it, ever, period. ;) What is the diff between my old Dell Optiplex Core Duo box and a Google Chromebook at this point in time, even if I had a total loss event? A new Chromebook could be physically gotten and I would get my world back instantly upon my first log-in should I have the machine stolen or physically destroyed. Anything less than a physical destruction event or an outright theft is handled by a 5 minute Power Wash (an over the air reload of all ChromeOS systems and all your personal preferences). Chromebooks still sits at the pinnacle of ease of use, that is simply what Google does with Chromebooks. Anyone can live with a Chromebook ..... it is seriously that easy to use. The Dell based Linux box would have to be rebuilt by layers, taking at least 4-6 hours of work by me, with the time spread out over the first week of use. Time to reformat a drive and install the Linux software and all the apps off a DVD would only be less than 1 hour of that, tweeking and tuning all the little stuff to look like mine would be the rest of the time. Six hours of normal use later ........ I have not noticed any slowdown, but logically I am using some more memory (since each tab uses a separate chunk of memory now) and my sandboxes all get raked smooth every 15-30 seconds and then each sandbox gets re-loaded to make sure NOTHING remains still for any length of time to be vacuumed up by a malware so I am taking up a little more processing time and and a little more memory doing normal things. But I run a light fast Linux OS system on a 10 year old (obsolete) Dell engineering CAD box that has WAY WAY WAY more resources than are needed to run Linux, so I think I am plenty good to go. I do detect a crisper response to tabbing and scrolling, so the new Chrome browser memory system seems to work well, possibly even better than before. I am not seeing the very occasional slow up/hang up any more when you got to clicking ahead of the browser loading something, either. Dedicated sandbox memory has some side benefits, apparently. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/05/18 at 01:31:25 First news ...... https://www.google.com/search?q=intel+ceo+insider+trading&oq=intel+ceo+insid&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l2.10641j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 More current news one day later ...... https://www.google.com/search?q=intel+ceo+insider+trading&tbm=nws&source=univ&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi0_JfVg8LYAhWrUd8KHXKIAu8Qt8YBCDgoAQ&biw=1366&bih=653 Oooooooo-Ruh-Roh, Scooby them angry Intel stockholders are asking them hard questions about their very own Intel CEO selling off all his Intel stock he possibly could sell ahead of all this stuff breaking AND NOT TELLING THEM ABOUT IT so they could dump their stock off too. Tar and feather time ....... ::) The wheels on the bus go round and round ..... crunch and munch ..... round and round ..... http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcScbDcZyCKi6btTirbP6Cj7Aj7tqJdfn8tVatLc8nw4dlGpAUcF |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/05/18 at 05:17:32 It is 9:00 AM on Friday 1/5/18. I just switched over to Win 10 to see what is needed download wise. Got a list of 20 items, then a crash while downloading the first item. Also lost one post written here on the list that I wrote while waiting for stuff to download, then it crashed before it could send itself to the list. Win 10 sucks ...... Back on Linux again -- the MS arseholes on Win 10 were sending me pop up notices that my copy of Win 10 isn't "verified" again and the Win 10 stuff quite frankly doesn't work right for me any more --- I think when Mint 19 comes out I will do a rape and scrape and go back to Linux 100% permanently. Windows 10 is just not worth the cost and the hassles, the constant downloading and installing of this and that update and the fall and spring upgrades and all the issues that crop up at update time and in between the seasonal "upgrades" are just plain driving me nuts. :P 10:00 AM back on Win 10 while trying to get it running right again. Clock was messed up, as are Win 10 Update and Windows Defender settings. Win 10 messes itself up, in other words ..... the cumulative effect of a long laundry list of upgrades generally breaks various things slowly to a degree that eventually breaks the system over time. =================================== Note that more sold shares money has been found for stock that was sold by Intel's CEO ---- the total amount sold has increased, 29 million dollars is the current total being bounced around by reporters. If this is true, then the Intel CEO Krzanich may have him some potential legal share count issues to handle. Remember, the limits imposed on him are stated in terms of SHARES he must continuously hold, not in dollar value. Since the stock is tanking, he could easily buy on the open market any numbers of shares he needed to make back up to his correct count very easily (and make a quick buck doing it, which may have been his intention). Also remember some of the shares he is holding may have been bought a lower dollar value (may be quite old) and as such the lesser amount of $$$$ value he retains may cover enough historically listed shares for him to still be legal. Intel stock value has declined by 11 Billion Dollars since the bug news broke yesterday, while AMD stock value has increased by 6 Billion Dollars just this morning upon independent verification that AMD processors are really not affected by Meltdown to any real degree at all. The Spectre bug still affects all processors equally, but Spectre is a much less likely exploit and one that has not been detected in the wild yet. ================================================== All modern processors are affected by Spectre, and more new versions of it are showing up daily. Different Spectre versions count is up to four now ....... It becomes obvious that still more machines are being bought right now by people who accept going in they are buying inherently damaged goods with a very finite life span. Folks will buy what is available, even knowing that they have a unit lifetime of Meltdown and Spectre to look forward to. I list "Win 10 crap" right along with these bugs, since Win 10 itself causes me more issues than the bugs do considering that MS breaks itself intentionally periodically just so they can pick your pocket again. I find this very sad that some folks have to live this way ...... wiping up after Intel and/or Microsoft grunts out a great big brand new brown snowball ..... :P http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2013/04/02/Tom_Gill_lighthouse_(11)_20130402133154_640_480.JPG Hey Winboy, need some new underwear and a fresh wipe up here. Need to pay up on your monthly fees, too. Me, I'll stay here for free instead (thank you so very much Linux Mint and special kudos to Google for the newly upgraded sandboxed Chrome Browser). http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/158042649-olympic-national-park-moss-plant-washington-us-state-pacific-northwest.jpg |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by rl153 on 01/05/18 at 16:14:10 OF, I haven't read everything here , but if you don't mind me asking, how do you contract the Intel viruses? Is it like all other viruses or worse, easier? I have an intel chip in my laptop with win 7 , and I don't like the idea of slowing down with the patch. If you're selective with your browsing, can you avoid them? Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/05/18 at 16:20:51 The issue resides inside the Intel processor itself, and no, all the fixes found so far do involve slowing down your machine to some degree. You don't have to contact it, you got it already built in by Intel at the factory. BUT you may not have some scuzzbag parked in there reading it constantly because you haven't got that portion yet through the internet. The browser element involves some scuzzbag coming in by way of the internet to vacuum up your passwords and such that were temporarily left in a small internal to the INTEL chipset itself memory buffer (normally used to predict what data you need next and to preload it for rapid access) that the scuzzbag should never never never have had access to. But, because Intel is stupid and lazy and MS likes to be able to re-write your machine each night, he does. The fixes involve wiping this processor level memory clean (and all your normal buffers too) every 15-30 seconds and re-writing all your current data stuff fresh, time after time after time after time ...... forever putting a load on your processor and available memory. Speaking of that fast memory that is used on top of all your modern hard drives as a speed thing, you do know it has a finite number of read/writes before it craps out on you, right? Now you see why Google is working hard on Fuchsia OS and why Intel says they are completely leaving the x86 chipset structure for something brand new next year. AMD did this last year as a cost reduction and is now kicking Intel's butt all over the place (AMD is a lot cheaper, too, as well as being Meltdown proof). Microsoft is just twitching randomly at the moment as ARM chipsets running Win10 all have the Spectre issues too --- and that was MS's golden pathway to the future until just a few days ago. MS is really fading into the background as much as they can, jest a hoping the class action lawsuits continue to miss them ...... NOTE: unless you use one of these antivirus programs, the latest MS patches can conflict with your off brand AV causing a blue screen lock-up. Even these good ones require a current update to both the OS and to the AV to be installed before using them. Vendors reported to have compatible updates are Symantec, F-Secure, Avast, and Microsoft's own Windows Defender platform |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by rl153 on 01/05/18 at 16:50:34 Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/05/18 at 18:04:18 https://liliputing.com/2018/01/wait-meltdown-spectre-proof-cpus-buying-new-pc-phone.html Should you wait for Meltdown & Spectre-proof CPUs before buying a new PC or phone? Tough question. You need to click and read the entire article as it lists pros and cons of each path of action. Earlier this week the Computer Emergency Response Team Coordination Center (CERT/CC) issued a security note suggesting that in addition to applying software updates, a solution was to “replace CPU hardware” because “the underlying vulnerability is primarily caused by CPU architecture design choices. Fully removing the vulnerability requires replacing vulnerable hardware.” Of course, complying with that suggestion would be difficult because there are no really good alternative CPUs (except AMD at the moment). But CERT/CC has since changed its recommendation to say “operating system and some application updates mitigate these attacks.” That’s likely due in part to updated information from chip makers, security researchers, and software developers. The US-CERT site, however, still notes that while software updates will help, “the vulnerability exists in CPU architecture rather than in software,” so “patching may not fully address these vulnerabilities in all cases.” AMD is considered proof against Meltdown at this time and AMD is as Spectre resistant as anything out there. So if you must run go buy something go buy AMD, otherwise wait a year until corrected physical chip infrastructures and new OS products provide good security again. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/05/18 at 20:21:51 https://www.google.com/search?q=class+action+lawsuit+against+intel&oq=class+action+lawsuit+against+intel&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i59j0l3.10780j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 You already have a half-dozen class action suits being filed against Intel over Management Engine, Meltdown and Spectre. Several of the nastiest are based on Intel concealing the issues and making ongoing claims of "new and improved" when they knew durn well what they were peddling was eat up with the shites instead. These harsher suits have some elements of fraud and criminality to them and are the sort of thing that will end careers and perhaps have some potential jail time for the CEO associated with them. The main three large class actions in California, Indiana and Oregon go for a basic "customers have suffered damages" theme and are after large monetary settlements. ==================================================== http://www.businessinsider.com/linus-torvalds-linux-inventor-is-furious-at-intel-2018-1 http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/56faec3e52bcd066018b97d6-850/linus-torvalds.jpg Linus Torvalds comes out with a blunt request that ARM HOLDINGS "come on out" with a canned 16 banger ARM CERTIFIED design that simply uses lots of very efficient cores used in a fast, stable, tight, very secure fashion to achieve very usable power levels using a secure FOSS Linux OS system. Torvalds volunteers the FOSS community to work with ARM HOLDINGS on the design and on the Linux OS to support it. As far as Intel goes ...... "I think somebody inside of Intel needs to really take a long hard look at their CPU's, and actually admit that they have issues instead of writing PR blurbs that say that everything works as designed," Torvalds wrote in a sharply worded email sent to a Linux list on Wednesday. "Or is Intel basically saying 'we are committed to selling you shite forever and ever, and never fixing anything'?" Torvalds continued. Go Linus, go !!!! Yes, he is talking a smaller Centriq type ARM processor, but not nearly as large as it only has to beat a normal Intel chipset instead of beating a pair of Intel super duper super deluxe server chipsets. The comments about "come on out with it" almost smells like Torvalds already knows that the design already exists and he wants ARM to pull their finger from their nose and get off the dime about it. You may be looking at the face of Progress, but hey, Progress is jest all pissed off at Intel at the moment ...... Next week is the CES show in Vegas and if Intel hasn't got anything useful to say I expect some paper bags of fragrant doggie donations to show up all over their Vegas "Intel Progress" displays. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/06/18 at 20:08:56 Meltdown mitigation updates have either very little impact on performance on a personal PC… or a lot, depending on the task. Individuals may possibly get off easy, but manyfold commercial uses will see some significant impacts. Say it again, carefully ---- light single user uses, there can be light differences -- heavy users on heavy productive tasks, then some seriously heavy impacts can happen. Common grouped "conjoined user" Servers running Intel have the greatest risk of having critical bits plucked out of a shared cache and are the ones getting hit the worst performance-wise, enough so to possibly put a normal cloud services company out of business as the net change in processing costs to stop Meltdown can be greater than their current profit margin. https://liliputing.com/2018/01/meltdown-mitigation-updates-either-little-impact-performance-lot-depending-task.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/epic.jpg =================================================== https://www.jitbit.com/alexblog/270-cpu-usage-stats-after-patching-for-meltdown/ http://https://i.imgur.com/vQWluvH.png Google custom builds its own chipsets and Google is seeing very little effect (and their costs will not go up much accordingly). Folks who chose to use Intel (spent all that extra money) are now sitting impaled on a flag pole as far as rising costs are going to be going out into the future. Look to see people who buy server processor services chose carefully to AVOID this issue, ASAP. Intel is still fluttering and still has not accepted any responsibility for their sloppy design choices. Also note that Intel apparently bases its knowledge of "slowdown" based only on several selected benchmark tests (which some say are partially ineffective/insensitive to the real use issues) vs the reporting server boys who have normal run load data going back for years and can state the changes quite accurately off of a normal workload given a few days to see the changes clearly. Plus, Intel is supposedly basing what they say off of processor tweeks they haven't even released yet ..... so nobody really knows what they are talking about. Intel should be very careful not to use any brown vapor, since they have teams of lawyers and lots of irate customers collecting every little bit of BS that they put out to use in court. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/07/18 at 17:56:42 https://liliputing.com/2018/01/rockchip-introduces-rk3399pro-processor-optimized-ai.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/rk3399.jpg Rockchip introduces RK3399Pro processor optimized for AI Rockchip is the latest chip maker to jump on the artificial intelligence bandwagon. The company is introducing an updated version of its RK3399 processor at the Consumer Electronics Show this week, and the key new feature is a new Neural Network Processing Unit, or NPU. The company says the new RK3399Pro processor offers up to 2.4 TOPs of performance. TOPs (tera operations per second) is a new conjoined computation measurement number that is not teraflops but is an equivalent sort of integer calculation throughput number. The original RK3399 which was first unveiled in early 2016, but it didn’t really become widely available until 2017. Like that processor, the new RK3399Pro is a hexa-core chip with two ARM Cortex-A72 CPU cores, four ARM Coretex-A53 cores. It features Mali-T860 graphics, support for 4K displays, support for 8-channel microphone arrays, and support for dual USB Type-C interfaces. The processor is Rockchip’s first to feature a CPU, GPU, and NPU and it’s designed to offer improved performance at machine learning tasks including computer vision and voice processing. Along with the new processor, Rockchip is offering hardware reference designs and a software development kit, which could help device makers bring products based on the new chip to market quickly. Bring new products to the market quickly? Yes indeed since the RK3399 is already Chromebook certified and in use in three major Chromebooks already and Google has been promising AI augmented Chromebooks for the last six months already. Plus, mini-PC level TV boxes, min computers and all the rest of the RK3399 crew are already out there, waiting for the new chipset. Motherboards are already there, pin compatible already with the full unit's assembly lines already rolling, jest awaiting the new RK3399Pro chipset to cap it all off. And with a 2.4 TOPS of AI PROCESSING ABILITY added on top of a lithography shrunk (25% stronger/faster) Quad-core ARM high-end Mali-T860 GPU which integrates more bandwidth compression, well I think that Rockchip RK3399Pro's AI punch is gonna be something fairly remarkable for a half generation, off year move. Certainly good enough to tide folks over on the low end until the Meltdown and Spectre disaster works itself through to some newly founded processor architectures from Intel (or from others as well). https://www.bizjournals.com/prnewswire/press_releases/2018/01/07/CN82368 RK3399Pro with super AI computing performance is Rockchip's first AI processor by adopting CPU+GPU+NPU hardware structure. Its integrated NPU (Neural Network Processing Unit) incorporates Rockchip's technology in fields of vision, voice processing and deep learning etc. Compared to traditional solution, the computing performance of typical deep neural network Inception V3, ResNet34 and VGG16 models on RK3399Pro is better and improved nearly hundred times. Three important features of Rockchip RK3399Pro AI solution: High performance AI hardware RK3399Pro adopted exclusive AI hardware design. Its NPU computing performance reaches 2.4TOPs, and indexes of both high performance and low consumption keep ahead: the performance is 150% higher than other same type NPU processor; the power consumption is less than 1%, comparing with other solutions adopting GPU as AI computing unit. Superior platform compatibility The RK3399Pro NPU supports 8bit and 16bit and is compatible with various AI software frameworks. Existing AI interfaces support OpenVX and TensorFlow Lite/AndroidNN API; AI software tools support the importing, mapping and optimizing of Caffe/TensorFlow model. Easily development of turnkey solution Rockchip provides one-stop AI solution based on RK3399Pro, including hardware reference design and SDK. The solution can increase the AI products R&D speed of global developers and greatly reduce product launch time. It can significantly improve the speed of AI product development for global developers and greatly shorten time to market. By strongly augmenting Rockchip, Google has protected Chromebooks from MS's current Qualcomm attack and has teed up Rockchip as a major player suitable to carry forth ARM Holdings purported new 12-16 core deep "Intel replacement" processor when they arrive in 2019. By doing so, Google has flat put Intel under the gun and has got the attention of both of the old Wintel partners clearly focused on getting on past the problems of the current old processor designs and aging, faltering Windows OS system. http://https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--4Rl_ox2K--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/a0dndwelvlsbh20g4evu.jpg yes, I mean this sort of complete kludgy dinosaur nonsense which is ALL Intel has to show you this CES. Stuff on the left is older AMD, stuff on the right is Intel. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/07/18 at 22:27:20 I'm old enough to remember when artificial intelligence meant a blonde dyed her hair brown.. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/08/18 at 00:27:33 CES is here ..... I am just going to append stuff to this single CES post instead of fouling up the "last 10 posts" people by hitting the list time and time again. https://liliputing.com/2018/01/amd-roadmap-2nd-gen-ryzen-chips-ryzen-desktop-cpus-integrated-radeon-graphics.html AMD roadmap: 2nd-gen Ryzen chips and Ryzen desktop CPUs with integrated Radeon graphics Why is this worth bringing to you? Intel's got nothing new and AMD and ARM are going to be all the real progress seen this year. Inside this year both will churn over to a new generation of DynamIQ processor type at 7nm and then drop below that, to 6-5nm by year's end 2019. Currently at 12nm, AMD starts their parade like this ...... http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/ryzen-2.jpg ....... and does this during the course of the next 2 years. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/ryzen-roadmap.jpg By bringing out these products. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/ryzen-road_02-768x447.jpg https://liliputing.com/2018/01/hp-introduces-envy-x2-2-1-intel-core-y-series-processor-case-dont-want-qualcomm-snapdragon-model.html AS YOU KNOW ALREADY, MS's plans to take over the world with Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 based small laptops hit a sizeable performance speed bump in the road this past fall, followed by a huge pothole called "Hock Tan's Hostile Takeover Attempts". Covering their bets on the Snapdragon 845 which is not available in the first half of the year due to prior sales commitments, HP is subbing in a much more expensive and power hungry Intel type "M" processor. (Also note that MS does not yet have the Snapdragon 845 processor emulation trick all completely worked out just yet, so you are limited to buying Snapdragon Win 10s apps from the MS App Store if you choose to buy the Qualcomm processor (those few that actually exist). https://youtu.be/cXdzlywYpsM It is a YouTube, so click on it. The AI augmented Chromebooks have landed on schedule (both upper end and mid-range) so do go take a good look at Google and the new Chromebooks before committing larger sums of money to MS/Intel machines that have strongly lacking performance and battery life, comparatively speaking. Also note (as far as for all the FUD BS being thrown out by MS and Intel) there is NOTHING an Intel type Win 10s can do that a Chromebook cannot do much better and cheaper especially since the Chromebook actually really has software you can get for it, generally low cost to free software instead of MS's own high priced somewhat scarce custom proctologist blends from the MS store). Somewhat better competition may come from the Snapdragons later in the year, but that remains to be seen as until they go on sale, as frankly they are not real yet, just promised. Being over a year delayed comes from MS's lack of progress finishing out the OS and thus the units, but delay is delay is delay. By now Qualcomm should recognize they are being taken for a sleigh ride and that they have lost much critical momentum to AMD accordingly. Qualcomm was on track to put out a real Intel desktop competitor but have been manipulated into not doing so by MS, Intel and Hock Tan's Broadcom take-over attempts and now Qualcomm may not be really in a position to do so. https://gizmodo.com/amd-is-making-a-really-great-case-for-ditching-intel-ba-1821850744 In fact the Ryzen 5 2400G, according to AMD, is so fast it can handle top tier games like Battlefield 1 and Witcher 3, at playable frame rates, without a video card. That’s simply not possible with the current generation of Intel CPUs. APU / NPI conjoined processors from AMD are something else entirely. They break all the old paradigms, but in a good way. Watch AMD evolve into the new market leader in power user computers during the next 2 years ..... Why? AMD does not have the same Meltdown issues as Intel, and is more resistant to allowing Spectre exploits as well. This gifts AMD with a 20+% advantage over Intel processors (true inside each performance range covered). Plus, TSMC and Samsung both say at CES they will be running new AMD processors at 4nm lithography by the end of 2020. This gives a 3-4 generations of lithography advantage to AMD over Intel, plus the fact that all the new AMD chipsets are fully integrated with cell radios, GPS and the world's best graphics performance (with or without a separate APU/NPI or Neural Processing unit) which all of them have available to them, BTW. ARM DynamIQ based progress is what gives AMD its core advantages -- and we see no signs of that stopping any time soon. From Meltdown resistance to blazing speed and incredibly strong Neural Processing, massively better graphics performance, the list just goes on and on ...... http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2018/01/intel_reorganizes_amid_fervor.html Intel and Micron part ways --- Micron does not now (and apparently never did) consider Optane to be a really viable project and Micron has now removed itself from the partnership and from any future roles with Intel Optane --- Micron as a memory company is pursuing "another more reasonable course" that is fully supported by memory industry standards, obviously. Micron choosing to do this now reflects the onus Intel is running under due to Meltdown and Spectre security concerns and Intel's very poor reaction to it. Intel Corporation is emergency reorganizing now, furiously, four lieutenants (not the 3 count thrown under the bus last time) are named as heads of "security areas of concern". Stockholders and regulatory agencies being shown "lots of furious activity" to placate them. Krzanich reassigned four top executives to the new organizations. These management changes, effective immediately, came just ahead of Krzanich's keynote address Monday night to the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. "It is critical that we continue to work with the industry, to excel at customer satisfaction, to act with uncompromising integrity, and to achieve the highest standards of excellences," Krzanich told employees in a memo Monday, obtained by The Oregonian/OregonLive. "Simply put, I want to ensure we continue to respond appropriately, diligently, and with a customer-first attitude." http://https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/107/571/7571107.gif Krzanich also promised from the stage at CES that all recent Intel chips would be patched by the end of the month. This very brown, vaporous promise is extremely unlikely as MS has no plans to accomplish this and Intel can't wipe their butt without MS holding the paper for them. http://https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims?quality=100&image_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fo.aolcdn.com%2Fhss%2Fstorage%2Fmidas%2Fab4470297e0cdb050ef12f6a78b371e2%2F206011519%2Fssp73-1515465947.jpg&client=cbc79c14efcebee57402&signature=7a7fbcc6f69c004016ae340b1f35bc2131ad0e8f Also, Absolutely Nothing is said about the preceding 15 YEARS worth of Intel chipsets still needing patching ..... does Krzanich think these are going away because they are "outside an Intel extended warranty period"? So far, all Intel has done is watch others do their dead level best to stop the severe bloodbath from coming ...... does Krzanich count all their efforts as "our efforts" ???? https://www.engadget.com/2018/01/09/microsoft-halts-meltdown-spectre-amd-patches/ https://www.thestreet.com/story/14442274/1/microsoft-halts-spectre-and-meltdown-updates-after-amd-devices-lock.html Just read the articles ---- MS was pushed by Intel to "do something fast" and they did --- bricking thousands of AMD equipped PCs in the process by releasing fixes using the nightly push system in a COMPLETELY UNCONTROLLED fashion. Congratulations, MS --- you can join Intel now in the ranks of the "Class Action lawsuits for the dumb and stupid". AMD PCs that were trashed were older models. Microsoft has to now take responsibility for rushing too too fast based on Intel's super urgent need for action and instead trashing up a bunch of innocent user's machines that technically didn't even need the fix in the first place. MS was apparently running off of documentation, rather than doing actual testing (industry standard method) and that will be the legal basis that is used in the Class Action Suit -- the damage was done by MS's irresponsible carelessness and lack of testing, further aggravated by irresponsible use of the nightly push system to force the upgrades out to in-appropriate machines. HOT Pepper sauce splashed on top just to make it burn worse -- The erroneous documentation used may have possibly been Intel instead of AMD in origin ....... :-/ Wintel is not covering itself with positive PR at the moment. More will come out shortly, we are sure. https://liliputing.com/2018/01/microsoft-pauses-meltdown-spectre-security-updates-amd-computers-bricking-pcs.html Microsoft says the problem is that “some AMD chipsets do not conform to the documentation previously provided to Microsoft.” The good news is that while this means users of computers with AMD chips won’t receive the updates as soon as those with Intel processors, AMD says its processors aren’t vulnerable to Meltdown-based attacks anyway, due to architectural differences between its chips and those from rival Intel. What WAS NOT SAID was how long ago this information was received nor who it was that provided the information. Since AMD flat says its processors aren't vulnerable to Meltdown, why would AMD be asking Microsoft to "rush out a fix" for machines that couldn't get Meltdown in the first place? Intel is the one asking for a rush fix before the end of the week, right ???? Intel is currently losing stock worth and some market share to AMD right now, so a little bit of an AMD disaster right about now benefits whom, exactly ???? Update 4 days later ....... https://liliputing.com/2018/01/microsoft-says-meltdown-spectre-patches-slow-older-pcs-newer-ones-2016-later.html Microsoft says its Meltdown and Spectre patches slow down older PCs more than newer ones (2016 and later) http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/melt-1.jpg The impact on performance varies from not much to quite a bit depending on the hardware and software you’re using and the type of tasks you’re trying to complete. Now Microsoft has provided some more details about the performance impact of its Windows security updates. For the most part if you’ve got a computer released in 2016 or later, Microsoft says you probably won’t see much difference in performance after applying the update. But if you have an older machine, then you probably will see a noticeable slowdown. The company says Windows 10 PCs with Intel Skylake, Kaby Lake, or newer processors do show performance slow-downs in the single digits… but since we’re talking about milliseconds, most people won’t actually notice a perceptible change. But if you’ve got Window 7, 8, or 10 running on a computer with an Intel Haswell or older processor, Microsoft says you’ll probably notice that your computer feels slower sometimes. Microsoft hasn't yet said what they plan to do about all the AMD processor based machines they pushed the INTEL patches out to as an uncontrolled nightly update. Users should sign up for one of the Class Action lawsuits as soon as possible, since MS is fully capable of stringing you along. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/11/18 at 01:55:46 http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-no-more-windows-patches-at-all-if-your-av-clashes-with-our-meltdown-fix/ Microsoft: No more Windows patches at all if your AV clashes with our Meltdown fix Microsoft is having a VERY bad week. Intel's frantic need to get a patch fix out caused MS to push an early fix set that has crashed: Older AMD processors Any Linux machine that has already been patched by Linux (weeks and weeks ago no less) Any machine that is using an AV that is "incompatible" with MS standards (can you say Defender?) Any MS Phone product that accidentally gets the fix "over the air". ...... and this list will likely get longer, I feel confident since it all indicates that MS did a knee jerk patch set because Intel absolutely needed to show some activity. Issue for MS is that the egg is on their face, not Intel's. Once again, MS has proven they cannot control their nightly update system. What has become clear is that post shrinkage Wintel (as an operating pair) more closely resembles Laurel and Hardy than the juggernaut Wintel we remember from years back. Example: MS has just said in essence said IF YOU DON'T USE MS DEFENDER AV AS YOUR ONE AND ONLY ANTIVIRUS THEY CANNOT CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A NIGHTLY UPDATE HITS YOUR MACHINE AND ABRUPTLY CHANGES THINGS. MS is also running off of features lists in a database that they put together when they put these patches together and is NOT ACTUALLY DOING ANY UNIT TESTING AT ALL BEYOND THEIR OWN IN HOUSE HARDWARE. =================================================== Prediction: Soon, MS will disavow any responsibility to send you any updates AT ALL unless you adhere to MS's hardware and software standards AND you have a Microsoft 365 software monthly maintenance agreement in place. ::) May I simply state that Google has had ZERO issues with patching/updating Chromebooks? We also state that Chromebooks don't catch the clap every six months or so and don't require you to take AV shots every month like MS OS products do ??? :) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/12/18 at 18:29:29 https://www.extremetech.com/computing/262031-researchers-found-another-major-security-flaw-intel-cpus Remember, the default password for this shite is "admin" again. Folks line up to class action sue Intel again over a corporate server version of Meltdown, but this time it is just PURE STUPIDITY on Intel's part. Or a lost track of, somewhat misguided feature perhaps ???? The Intel Active Management Technology system (AMT) is designed to allow administrators to access and update PCs, even if those PCs are turned off. All they need is an internet connection and a wall socket and they can be updated. That’s a useful tool for large multinational firms with far-flung employees, but it’s also a potential security risk. F-Secure has published information highlighting how easily an attacker with even brief local access can gain full access to an entire machine. Here’s how they describe the problem: A BIOS password normally prevents an unauthorized user from making low-level changes to a device. However, the essence of this issue is that even when a BIOS password has been set, an attacker does not need it to configure AMT. Not only that, due to insecure defaults in the BIOS and AMT’s BIOS extension (MEBx) configuration, an attacker with physical access can e[ch64256]ectively backdoor a machine by provisioning AMT using the default password. The attacker can then access the device remotely, by connecting to the same wireless or wired network as the user. In certain cases, the assailant can also program AMT to connect to their own server, which negates the necessity of being in the same network segment as the victim. Intel is really in a bad way right now. Their pushed fixes to their very own built in "on purpose" security issues are breaking various machines right and left. Their buddy MS is running scared because they are liable for these messes too as their nightly update system is pushing these "fixes" out to computers everywhere in an uncontrolled fashion. Computers are actually really running slower and slower as all the layered fixes all go into place. One questions if Intel even remembers all the unprotected back doors they wrote into various levels of things for various "good reasons" over the decades ..... ================================================= The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Intel has sent out confidential memos to their largest company accounts NOT TO INSTALL ANY PATCHES AND NOT TO ALLOW MS TO PUSH ANY PATCHES TO REMOTE INDIVIDUAL MACHINES OUT IN THE FIELD. This is Intel privately saying something vaguely akin to "Oooops, some information we gave out to MS and others is not current & incorrect and the patches that were built off of this data have a large chance of going awry". This memo is prima facie evidence in the Class Action Suits against Intel and it will likely be used by MS in attempts to defend themselves for having used the erroneous data. MS sends out direct communication to stop using the AMD patch they pushed out over the air -- once again saying the information they were given was not correct. There is a $$$$ cost to be paid out with this issue as the AMD machines affected are bricked dead and MS hasn't figured out how to fix them as they will not boot. Once again, MS isn't saying where they got the erroneous data from (may not remember, actually) but considering Intel's communication one suspects Intel's little boo-boo may have resulted in MS's bad OTA patch on the AMD machines. No one knows the REAL total net slow down effects yet because the patches are all suspect and will all be replaced eventually. Next, not all the layers of the total fix are in place yet, but more layers generally means greater slowdown. Lastly, they keep on finding brand new backdoors and loopholes that have to be patched. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by rl153 on 01/13/18 at 13:31:43 Hi OF, thanks for writing about this. I want to ask , I have a 2014 win 7 home premium computer, with intel celeron 2957u 1.4ghz processor. Is that a problematic processor for the patch? Do you think its advisable to turn off automatic updates? Thanks again! |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/13/18 at 13:47:41 Turn off automatic updates until such time that the furor slows down and stops. Here's what's bad for you though, MS always chains patches and they want to install each patch in serial order so they have a known condition for the next one to implement against. This is flat dangerous at this time since some of the links in this chain of updates are KNOWN to be bad. Hopefully, MS will recognize this and come out with a summary upgrade later on that only deals with the good stuff, and has enough detection built into it so MS applies the right stuff for your machine. Right now, this is not the case. Yeah, turn it off for a bit, safer that way. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/13/18 at 14:53:00 pefully, MS will recognize this and come out with a summary upgrade later on that only deals with the good stuff, and has enough detection built into it so MS applies the right stuff for your machine. Yeah, dude, so far they've been Really good about seeing what works best for the consumer and developing ways to accommodate them. That you would even have that thought is so much more kind to them than I can find the strength to muster. I thought Windows Pro worked well, and after that, it looked like every step forward was really a step back. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by rl153 on 01/13/18 at 19:04:55 Thanks, I took your advice. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/14/18 at 03:42:36 https://liliputing.com/2018/01/hands-on-with-the-asus-novago-and-is-windows-on-arm-even-a-good-idea.html All the various magazines and tech writers are ringing in on the new ARM based Windows 10 laptops that were shown at CES. Some are all bubbly about it, some of the crankier ones say it is wasted money at this stage of the game, and the ones with good balance say it is the first forerunner of a new era (true). I'd go with the wasted money guys ..... unless you REALLY NEED 20 hours of run time there is no excuse to pay nearly twice what an Intel cheapie chip unit would cost just to get an additional 10 hours of run time. ==================================================== Now, these Qualcomm 835 Win 10 units are really just some very expensive phone guts inside a really big case with a really big battery -- think of it that way and you can judge whether it makes sense to you or not. Yes, it can run Office, but so can your Android phone if you want the Microsoft software and are willing to go buy it outright. So can your better Chromebooks ..... and they are almost half to a third less expensive (even more $$$ saved when you factor in yearly software maintenance costs with MS). There is a 3 year general total turn over time in processor generations over in phone space -- this current ARM processor generation was kinda marginal at being a Win 10 laptop, the next generation will be pretty good at being a Win 10 laptop and the next generation will kill it at being a Win 10 laptop ..... but it will always cost more than a Chromebook will cost. Chrome OS simply is that much lighter, faster and cheaper to execute. For a measure of true ARM Chromebook progress for this year, go look at the very best Rockchip RK 3399PRO chipset and see how much more throughput capable and tightly packed the lithography is this year vs last year. Remember, Rockchip will still make their last generation's old chipsets for at least two more years to support existing customer unit build outs -- but they will get rolled to the newer stuff by force when production of the old chips stops. The old generations of chips get progressively cheaper and unit sale prices drop as they get older, until this forced replacement effect takes place. ::) Rockchip and Mediatek as a pair will determine the increasing capabilities of your low end tablets, phones and Chromebooks. (this year Rockchip brings AI to the low end of things with a 2.4 TOPS neural processor, with associated very marked improvements in graphics speeds and calculation throughputs coming right along with it). Google prompts pet vendors to build new generations of machines to be competitive, having picked Rockchip to be the golden child for 2 years running now as Mediatek had gone upscale 2 years previously and had basically attacked and failed at being a Qualcomm wannabe with their big 10 core processor (big 10 core failed mainly due to its higher price posture and lower battery life). When Mediatek comes back into play they will likely do so by leapfrogging Rockchip's best current efforts. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by jcstokes on 01/14/18 at 21:00:31 Thanks OF, 2008, purchased 2010 my WIN 7 Intel Pentium thingy seems to go ok, following your advice I turned off Windoewz updates probably a year ago. Still haven't enough guts to put the Linux thing in yet. I'll talk to some computer people. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/17/18 at 22:43:07 https://seekingalpha.com/article/4136928-intel-tough-ces-shows-little-promise-2018 This is Seeking Alpha, a Financial publication's view of Intel at this particular point in time. Summary: Intel has an underwhelming CES with no major process or product updates. The only product released tarnishes Intel's reputation and benefits AMD. With 10 nm process troubles and without any new major roadmap additions, the Company is staring at a bleak 2018 that is choked with lasting issues from the past. CES, or Consumer Electronics Show, is a major show for the consumer tech industry. Companies pitch their upcoming wares to woo consumers and press and try to showcase the product strength of the Company. Going in to CES, we were looking forward to what the major PC industry players will share about their 2018 products. Going in to the show, investors had big concerns about Intel’s 10nm process and its x86 product roadmap – especially in light of a resurgent Advanced Micro Devices (AMD). However, if Intel (INTC) presentations at CES are an indication of the Company’s 2018 prospects, it is safe to say that investors are headed for a miserable year. At a show famous for big announcements, Intel’s announcements were hugely disappointing – especially in the context of the roadmap disclosed by Advanced Micro Devices (AMD). With AMD promising across the board superior performance and prices compared to recently launched Intel 8th generation solutions, Intel needed to show how it will counter the competitive threat and how it will remain an industry leader. Also, with Intel’s 10nm process in disarray, investors were hoping that Intel would have an announcement or two to mitigate investor concerns. Intel’s CEO Brian Krzanich had a high-profile keynote at CES and it was quite the spectacle. However, the keynote was largely wasted on painting esoteric future. Among other things, the CEO talked about Intel Studios, Quantum Computing, Voxels, Autonomous Cars, etc. Cool, visionary things but with little prospect of near term payback. In terms of bread and butter x86, Intel had no meaningful updates. The single major announcement on x86 front had to with Intel’s combined CPU and GPU effort with AMD. As readers may remember, in a stunning announcement last quarter, Intel announced that it will be using AMD graphics chips in its CPU platforms. It is now confirmed that Intel will release at least FIVE products based on this technology. Intel has to go hat in hand to a core long-time competitor (AMD) to get a one generation back Graphics Package hand-out that they then bolt on to a CPU/GPU daughter board just so they can "claim a modern graphics feature set". |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/18/18 at 03:51:41 https://gizmodo.com/amd-is-making-a-really-great-case-for-ditching-intel-ba-1821850744 AMD then got a lot more appealing over the last week, when a security vulnerability was found in a wide range of computer processors (including AMD’s). Intel is grossly affected by the vulnerability and has already been hit with a number of class action complaints regarding the vulnerability and the necessary hampering of CPUs in order to resolve it, but AMD has repeatedly claimed that it is significantly less affected. It is, according to AMD and computer luminaries like Linux creator Linus Torvald, simply more secure. In our conversation, Anderson seemed positively giddy over AMD’s plans for the coming year. Besides the Ryzen Pro line and two Ryzen 3 APUs, there’s also the Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 5 APU currently available, and today AMD also announced two desktop APUs available February 12: The $170 Ryzen 5 2400G and the $100 Ryzen 3 2200G. These processors, according to AMD, are faster (and way cheaper) than the comparable desktop processors from Intel: the $200 Intel i5-8500 and the $130 Intel i3-8100 respectively. In fact the Ryzen 5 2400G, according to AMD, is so fast it can handle top tier games like Battlefield 1 and Witcher 3, at playable frame rates, without a video card. That’s simply not possible with the current generation of Intel CPUs. The graphics aren’t insane—AMD compares the Ryzen 5 2400G’s GPU performance to the $75 Nvidia 1030—but the graphics, at that price, certainly seems crazy good if AMD’s benchmarks are to be believed. And it’s difficult not to be delighted at AMD also continuing to use the nearly 18-month old AM4 socket for these processors to connect to the motherboard. That’s the same socket used with chips from AMD’s last microarchitecture, Excavator, as well as all currently available Ryzen processors, and the many Ryzen processors expected over the next handful of years. According to Anderson, AMD is devoted to the AM4 socket and doesn’t want to force people to upgrade their motherboard every few years, as is currently necessary with Intel’s processors. “We’re going to stick with AM4 for a long time,” he told Gizmodo. And that means that the second generation of Ryzen CPUs, which Anderson also mentioned today, will work with the AM4 socket as well. These processors, which are expected in the second quarter of 2018, are part of AMD’s super aggressive attempt to chip away at Intel’s hold on the CPU market. AMD didn’t go into too much detail, but did say the 2nd-Gen Ryzen processors would operate on a new Zen+ microarchitecture and that it would shrink from the 14nm that Zen is on, to 12nm. That’s a 2nm difference in just one year! Intel, for comparison, introduced its first 14nm processor in 2014, and it has repeatedly delayed moving to something smaller. Moreover, AMD has even claimed it will have a 7nm processor, the Zen 2, ready for market in 2020. That’s a crazy rapid pace of development for a company that’s spent the better part of the last five years completely stagnant. And it’s crazy exciting for consumers, because, as Jim Anderson repeatedly noted in his conversation with Gizmodo, AMD is finally able to compete with Intel. It’s not the slow and cheap alternative. It’s, potentially, the faster and cheaper alternative. Which means, if Intel, who is already hurting from this security snafu, doesn’t want to find itself playing second fiddle, it will need to step up its game, because if the performance of these new Ryzen processors are as good as AMD claims than I know I’ll be seriously considering a switch. Gizmodo nails all the real reasons your next machine should be AMD instead of Intel. As long as AMD will only sell Intel a GPU from two years ago, Intel is gonna be permanently second fiddle to AMD from now on. Next, thanks to slow and stupid fixes Intel had to put in place for for Meltdown and Spectre, the relatively less affected AMD currently has a real speed and security advantage over Intel that will only get stronger when AMD drops their lithography size in a couple of months time. Lastly, with AMD you can just upgrade your SoC, the AM4 CPU socket and the BIOS on the motherboard is good to go after a standard BIOS update ..... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/18/18 at 04:45:02 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cyber-intel/intel-problem-in-patches-for-spectre-meltdown-extends-to-newer-chips-idUSKBN1F7087 Reuters has been reporting on Intel patch issues in some detail for the last few weeks, but his time they broke bad on Intel by dealing out confirmed FACTS that say Intel lied about all the generations of chipsets affected by the Meltdown and Spectre patch slowdowns -- and that Intel has grossly understated the AMOUNT of slowdown that was actually being seen. For some types for work involving servers that store large amounts of data and try to retrieve it quickly, the company said the slowdown could be as severe as 18 percent to 25 percent. This is quite a change from the ~2%~ originally given out by Intel. On top of this slowdown, toss in a constant slow rate of repeated server reboots that occur at a slow steady rate when the patch programming "faults out" on several repeatable conditions. (servers that shut themselves down repeatedly and reboot themselves rather slowly disrupt things mightily, BTW) Reuters is being blunt now. INTEL -- recall these patches and FIX the issues reliably before reissuing the patches. ...... oooooh, I do not think the EU is going to be gentle with Intel, no, not at all ...... =================================================== People are quite unhappy with the old Wintel duo at the moment. People desire to replace Wintel and their ancient buggy nonsense as quickly as can be arranged with a non-encumbered modern code and processor base that works inherently well with AI, Neural processors, etc. One of the expressions of this current unhappiness is the amount of effort being put into Fuchsia OS at the moment by several laptop vendors. Google and FOSS overall as a larger contributing group. Fuchsia just grew most of a front end pretty much overnight and is beginning to fill in the other blanks using newly written code produced by many many different fingers all coding with a common goal. Think of it this way -- a lower end Rockchip RK3399PRO chipset (low end Chromebook chipset) can now do 2.4 tera operations per second -- if you just had an OS that could operate at and do useful work at those blazing speeds ...... Makes you think, don't it? |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/22/18 at 12:23:57 https://liliputing.com/2018/01/intel-recommends-not-installing-spectre-meltdown-updates-just-yet-following-reboot-issues.html INTEL -- recall these patches and FIX the issues reliably before reissuing the patches. Reuters and the EU had sent this message to Intel last week because the Intel patches were slowing servers down over 25% AND were causing a slow repetitious rebooting of the servers, something which rendered them partially useless and completely unable to reliably carry the work loads they were designed to carry (and did carry up until Intel's patches were installed. So in a classic Intel move, Intel now sends out a suggestion to NOT install the patches that they sent out last month, nor should you install the set of patches sent out early this month but instead ..... you should wait for the next set of patches. But it looks like that’s not the only problem: the updates Intel rolled out earlier this month also caused some computers to reboot unexpectedly and repeatedly. Now Intel says it’s identified the root cause of the rebooting …. but the company isn’t quite ready to roll out the updated patch to everyone to fix that issue either. So Intel is suggesting that you not install the earlier fix, and instead "wait for the next one". Intel says it’s already begun testing the updated security patch with “industry partners” and that a final release will be available after those tests are finished. Fun fact, in the same announcement, Intel says “we continue to urge all customers to vigilantly maintain security best practice and for consumers to keep systems up-to-date.” Of course, if you followed that advice, you may have already installed an update which caused your have “higher than expected reboots and other unpredictable system behavior.” Although I suppose there is a case to be made that the best way to secure a computer right now is to turn it off. The EU regulators sent back word to Intel that they are recommending all businesses keep track of their downtime costs, lost business costs, upgrade costs and lost personnel effectivity losses that were suffered by EU businesses due to the defective Intel patches fiasco as EU regulators consider Intel to be completely liable for these same losses. New peaks in activity in Linux operating systems and in the new main OS replacements such as Fuchsia OS have been noted over in the FOSS world. When the last layers of required Intel fixes go into all machines, then anticipated productivity declines of a total of 20% to 30% may be seen ongoing. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/22/18 at 12:54:56 OK, all you old machine Windows 7 users ..... perk up and pay attention. Internal memos at MS and Intel show that they CANNOT make your machines secure and still have them run any faster than a snail stuck on flypaper even if they do make enough layers of patches to try to take care of the job. This is the basis of Intel saying they are planning on abandoning the existing x86 platform in 2018 and MS saying they will not support anything out in the future that does not meet their "current hardware standards using their most current Win10 softwares". Throw the two thoughts together and you Win 7 guys are being left out at the curb (in the gutter) laying sideways in the sleet and the snow and the dizzly frozen run off. Buck up, you are getting abandoned by Wintel. Get used to the idea. Linux is trying to pick you up out of the gutter and get you back inside the house where it is warm, but that requires you to drop this silly shite about you not being able to learn a new thing or two ..... or about you not being able to do something slightly differently. Sad thing is this, even if you bought a brand new set of Wintel, you'd be just as lost, with just as much to learn and still having to do a lot of things slightly differently. You'd just be a good bit poorer while trying to learn it, with MS's hand constantly stuck in your back pocket for a monthly service charge to cover your constant nightly updates. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/22/18 at 14:23:44 Is it just me or did Microsoft peak in software performance with Office Pro? Seems like everything since has been downhill. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/22/18 at 17:16:01 https://liliputing.com/2018/01/say-hello-first-512gb-microsdxc-card.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/integral.jpg My smartphone has 32GB of storage space. My desktop has 512GB, or sixteen times as much. But soon you’ll be able to buy a microSD card with as much storage as that. Integral Memory has unveiled the first microSDXC card with 512GB of storage capacity, which ain’t half bad for a device about the size of a fingernail. The new card meets the UHS-1 Class 1 specification and Video Speed Class 10 (V10) with read speeds up to 90 MB/s. Integral notes that write speeds are “lower,” but doesn’t say how much lower. While there are faster storage cards available, it should be fast enough for capturing 1080p video or storing a heck of a lot of photos, videos, music, or other data. It’s the highest capacity microSD card we’ve seen since SanDisk introduced a 400GB microSDXC card last August. Integral Memory says the new card should be available in February, and it’s appropriate for use in phones, tablets, action cameras, drones, and home security cameras, among other things. There’s no word on how much the new storage card will cost, but “a lot” seems like a safe bet. ::) Quite to the contrary, MS has been in decline, as has been Intel. ARM tech has been doing great all over the place, as has all the advances that have come along with it. IF YOU ARE FOCUSED ON USING STUFF THAT IS FIVE YEARS OLD OR OLDER, YOU ARE JUST ALL BUSY MISSING THE CHANGE WAVE THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW OVER IN PHONE / AUTOMOTIVE LAND. In the next two years a tectonic shift in computing will take place, based off those neural processing units that can do over a tera operations per second (TOPS) and we will have storage, systems memory and OS systems and software that can actually run at those speeds ..... ...... hint, it ain't going to be Intel or MS based ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by rl153 on 01/23/18 at 05:37:06 OF, you said intel is abandoning x86 systems. Thats 32 bit ,right? What if your version of Win 7 is 64 bit, are you still up the creek? My processor is intel celeron 2957U, dual core 1.4GHz.Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/23/18 at 06:11:16 Intel has said it is abandoning x86 32 bit and possibly x64 bit "as is" and Intel states it intends to streamline and simplify their planned new class of processors by abandoning all legacy hardware support structures. Intel is recognizing the upcoming change wave, in other words. Will they willingly kill all older versions of x64 bit chips and only support the very newest processors? Answer: Is it still under extended warranty support agreements with business customers? No? Very likely it will be dropped then as it is costing them their arse right now to support all that older hardware. Microsoft has said they won't support any Windows installation that does not adhere to their current hardware standards and that support only will be done on the very most modern of their OS systems. So, you must upgrade to the CURRENT Win 10 to get any support at all ..... and you can expect the cut off dates on supported items to roll forward yearly. They will firm up these all these "vaguely mentioned in passing stances" after they get through the Class Actions and EU disciplinary actions over their current fail--fail--fail--fail issues. ===================================================== https://liliputing.com/2018/01/amd-reveals-specs-ryzen-desktop-chips-radeon-graphics.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/ryzen-vega-e1516639949159.jpg AMD’s first desktop PC chips with Zen architecture and integrated Radeon graphics are coming soon and AMD revealed a few details earlier this month. Now the company is providing more specs for the upcoming Ryzen 3 2200G and Ryzen 5 2400G processors, which should hit the streets in a few months for about $99 and $169, respectively. AMD says the new chips should be competitive with Intel’s 8th-gen Core i3 and Core i5 desktop processors while selling for lower prices and featuring higher-performance integrated graphics .… The new chips should work with current AM4 motherboards. The Ryzen 3 2200G and Ryzen 5 2400G should be available in mid-February. Yep, this chart is saying that the $99 AMD chipset that becomes real next month beats the new Core i5 Intel chipsets that are just expensive promises at this stage of things. And if you have an AM4 motherboard, the new processor and a bios update will upgrade you without replacing everything. BUY AMD, not Intel ...... |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/23/18 at 06:35:26 https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/22/linus-torvalds-declares-intel-fix-for-meltdown-spectre-complete-and-utter-garbage/ http://https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/shutterstock_320894498.jpg?w=738 Jest click on it and read the whole thing -- also please realize that the EU Council Members consider Torvalds an expert on fixing Meltdown and Spectre as he has ALREADY FIXED it for the Linux Kernel and shipped it and had it work correctly for over 2 months now. I am typing this on a Torvalds kernel corrected Linux Mint machine ..... :-/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/22/linus-torvalds-declares-intel-fix-for-meltdown-spectre-complete-and-utter-garbage/ "Is Intel really planning on making this shite architectural? Has anybody talked to them and told them they are f*cking insane? They do literally insane things. They do things that do not make sense. That makes all your [i.e. Woodhouse’s] arguments questionable and suspicious. The patches do things that are not sane. …So somebody isn’t telling the truth here. Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons. Sorry for having to point that out." There is a conspiracy theory that Wintel wants to sell us all a new generation of computers and to do that they must artificially create a "need" for folks to buy that new generation of computers. Look to the net result and suspect the motivations behind it, in other words. So you need to watch what happens in the next 6 months very carefully and if you choose to go with Win10 REMEMBER TO ONLY BUY AMD AM4 socket motherboard machines from a vendor that DOES DO BIOS UPGRADES TO THEIR MOTHERBOARDS PERIODICALLY. This is something you need to research before plunking down any money. Most consumer grade machines have limited BIOS support from the machine maker as they don't think anyone is going to use the upgrades. "Gamer grade" machines tend to have better BIOS support as they do actually do massive upgrades as the machines age out. AMD AM4 makers tend to support BIOS better than Intel board makers. Intel consumer machines (HP and LENOVO) don't have any sort of good support as it is "one more out the door" as far as their past history goes. As you feel your aching arm getting cranked up higher behind your back by Wintel, start planning on what you are actually going to do about it. First step would be to be honest about what you do with your machine, for what most of you actually do most of you could live very nicely off a $50 Amazon tablet or a $90 Android tablet (both will need an accessory bluetooth keyboard and mouse) and actually a cheap current generation Chromebook would actually be a bit of overkill for you power-wise. Intel would simply be overspend and under-utilize all the way ...... and you need to be able to admit that to yourself. Once you honestly weigh your needs, then you need to weigh out possibly re-purposing your old hardware using Linux as this is really the cheapest/best way to go, really. It does require you to think some and to learn some --- and yes you really can do it just like millions of others have already done. FOSS is prepping two brand new Linux Distros that are being custom built to take all you Win7 guys in on your existing hardware while looking and doing just about like what you are used to. =================================================== https://www.extremetech.com/computing/262647-linus-torvalds-says-intels-spectre-fix-complete-utter-garbage Torvalds’ feelings on the Intel patch were made public in an email chain with Amazon engineer David Woodhouse. He takes issue with the content of the Spectre (variant 2) patch as well as the way it’s implemented on Linux systems. “Has anybody talked to them and told them they are f*cking insane?” Torvalds says at one point in the exchange. The “insane” part, according to Torvalds, is that Intel has added redundant junk to the patch and made the entire thing optional. Administrators actually need to opt into the patch via a software flag when booting the system. Torvalds says this is because Intel’s Meltdown patch (known as “Indirect Branch Restricted Speculation” or IBRS) is so inefficient that rolling it out universally would cause substantial performance hits. In addition, Torvalds says many of the changes made by the patch are redundant when Google’s “retpoline” already provides protection. http://https://www.extremetech.com/g00/3_c-7x78x78x78.fyusfnfufdi.dpn_/c-7NPSFQIFVT34x24iuuqtx3ax2fx2fx78x78x78.fyusfnfufdi.dpnx2fx78q-dpoufoux2fvqmpbetx2f3129x2f12x2fTqfdusfNfmuepx78oGfbuvsf-751y464.kqhx3fj21d.nbslx3djnbhf_$/$/$/$/$/$ Intel has responded to Torvalds’ concerns without really saying anything — pretty standard for PR. The company says it’s “actively engaging with the Linux community, including Linus.” We’re not out of the woods yet, so it’s good we’ve got people like Linus Torvalds holding Intel’s feet to the fire. As Torvalds points out, it looks like Intel’s approach to patching Spectre is to not patch it. The software flag is a weird half measure when we’re talking about such a serious flaw. Torvalds also complains that Intel seems determined to punt on the issue until it implements architectural changes down the road. Read that last sentence again and realize that folks like Torvalds KNOW that Intel has plans to drop legacy x86 like a hot doggie turd later on this year. Torvalds is making moves to tee up some FOSS replacements for you so you don't lose your very real $$$$ investment in hardware while Wintel moves to try to FORCE you to buy new hardware. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/23/18 at 10:34:09 https://liliputing.com/2018/01/firefox-58-released-with-support-for-faster-graphics-progressive-web-apps-and-tracking-protection.html Firefox is getting worth a second look --- built in ad blocking, no tracking, hey -- mebbe these guys are really on to something. The new Firefox showed up on my Linux updates and promptly got installed and I am using it to type this post. I use both Firefox and Chrome interchangeably and I keep both on my desktop ---- if one gets weird I use the other one until the ill party straightens up and flies right. Firefox 58 seems to be as responsive as Chrome at the moment -- this is a good thing as Google will respond by making improvements in Chrome and Firefox will work on one upping that action -- it makes both browsers get better, it does. Why I will always tend to mainly use Chrome ---- Chrome leads to knowing how to use Fuchsia and all the future cross item OS features I will want to use in future years. Firefox use teaches no future anything, really. It is a legacy development of the old Netscape world view and it has no forward reaching components right now, just some fairly appealing "me too" stuff that makes it a really great backup browser for whenever Chrome gets ill. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/ff-58.jpg =================================================== EU fines Qualcomm $1.2 billion for antitrust violations At issue is an agreement Qualcomm had with Apple. From 2011 through 2016 Apple had agreed to exclusively use Qualcomm’s LTE chips for its iPhone and Pad devices. Under the agreement, if Apple released a device with an LTE chip from another company, such as Intel, Qualcomm would stop making those payments and Apple would have been required to pay back some of the money it had already received. While Apple agreed to that deal, the European Commission says it violates the European Union’s antitrust rules by effectively denying other chip makers a level playing field when competing for Apple’s business and any associated opportunities that might have arisen from having Apple as a customer. In addition to issuing a fine, the European Commission has basically told Qualcomm not to do it again. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by Oldfeller on 01/24/18 at 06:18:18 https://9to5google.com/2018/01/23/what-is-google-fuchsia-os/ Fuchsia is a cross-device OS In today’s technological world, most people don’t have just one device, but multiple. Phone, tablet, desktop, laptop, wearables, and more. Based on the current state of the OS, Google seems to be working to make Fuchsia run on all of these seamlessly and in unison. Traditionally, the problem with doing this is maintaining progress and context. That’s where something called Ledger comes in: once signed in with your Google Account, your applications automatically save their place across devices. Google describes Ledger as “a distributed storage system for Fuchsia.” Everything is stored in the cloud. http://https://9to5google.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/fuchsia-os-2018-recent-apps-tablet-1.jpg?quality=82&strip=all&w=1000 The idea is a futuristic but cool one: Close Chrome on your phone, then open it on your laptop and your tabs are right where you left them. The document you forgot to save before you left work? Just open Docs on your phone and save it. Your battery died right in the middle of a research project? Borrow a public computer and pick up where you left off. Additionally, since there’s no difference between Fuchsia for laptop and desktop and Fuchsia for mobile, for some there may not be a need to carry both. Theoretically, you could just plug your phone into a dock (similar to Samsung’s DeX or Razer’s Project Linda, perhaps), and you can be up and running with a bigger screen and a desktop/laptop-like experience. Fuchsia for developers Google is reaching out to developers of all backgrounds with this project. Most of the UI is written in Dart (a language that is designed to feel familiar to JavaScript and Java developers), through the Flutter framework. Support for Go, another Google-designed language is also included. Systems developers will find comfort in the availability of Rust. Google is also targeting Apple’s developer base by introducing Swift support. The icing on the cake, though, is the native interoperability support for most of these languages. Through the FIDL protocol, your Dart UI code can directly interface with your Go backend or any other combination. This gives developers the opportunity to be more expressive and use the best language for the job at hand. We’ll dive a bit more into this later. So when can I use it? Some signs we’ve seen point to some kind of initial Fuchsia release that would be sooner rather than later. Based on looking at the current state of things, we’re inclined to think we won’t see any devices running Fuchsia until 2019 or later. I have said several times that the interest level in Fuchsia had taken a remarkable jump as Intel and MS totally screwed up the world with their patchgate nonsense. This is not just Google, it is every young "totally modern language" programmer suddenly signing up to the Fuchsia project as a contributor. They are all pissed off and motivated. These young people see Wintel as being an abortion that has aggravated them their entire lives and now they have a chance to do something about it. Yes, Google is currently out front of the orchestra waving the baton (providing structure and cloud support) but all this massive swell of "instant progress" is coming from the programmer kiddies themselves. This is FOSS in action, and MS and Intel will have to eventually join in if they want to play at all ..... or they can stay over in the corner and play with themselves just as they always have. [smiley=evil.gif] Old style x86 is about done, boys and girls, and all the wet dreams that MS ever vapor cannoned are coming true right now in Fuchsia. And by golly, it is FREE and OPEN SOURCE and nobody owns it, it owns itself. https://9to5google.com/2018/01/23/what-is-google-fuchsia-os/ |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/24/18 at 18:11:29 That's some amazing stuff.. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome/Fuchsia vs Windows/Polaris Post by Oldfeller on 01/25/18 at 14:36:59 https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-core-polaris https://liliputing.com/2018/01/report-microsoft-working-modern-version-windows-10-code-named-polaris-might-not-want.html Report: Microsoft is working on a “modern” version of Windows 10 code-named Polaris… but you might not want it What would Windows 10 look like if you stripped the legacy code that’s been around for decades and created a streamlined, modern version of the operating system optimized to run Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps? It looks like we might find out, because Windows Central reports that Microsoft is working on just that. It’s a new version of Windows 10 for desktop, notebook, and 2-in-1 computers that’s code-named “Polaris,” and it’s said to offer better performance, longer battery life, and improved security over what you get from Windows 10 today. But if you want to run Win32 applications (the vast majority of programs written for older versions of Windows), you’ll need to rely on virtualization. http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/windows-10.jpg According to Windows Central, Microsoft will continue to offer the current version of Windows 10 that does support legacy apps natively even after Polaris is released. But the idea is to position it as an OS for power users or gamers, not the general public. We’ll see how that goes. If this all sounds a lot like Windows 10 S, it’s important to note that Windows 10 S is still basically the same operating system as Windows 10 Home or Pro, with some features enabled and others disabled. That’s why it’s so simple to upgrade from Windows 10 S to Windows 10 Pro. Polaris is something new. It’s based on a new version of Windows 10 that’s rumored to be called Windows Core OS. It’ll use the cshell user interface we first heard about last year. And it’ll basically be the desktop version of Andromeda OS, a version of Windows optimized for mobile devices. Among other things, that means there won’t be a simple upgrade path from Polaris to Windows 10 Pro: if you buy a device with Polaris (or whatever it’s eventually called), you’re stuck with Polaris. It sounds like the idea is to offer Polaris on mainstream PCs and Windows 10 with Win32 application support on high-end machines aimed at professionals, gamers, and folks that need support for legacy software or newer games and programs that simply aren’t compatible with UWP apps. But the software maker will have to convince PC makers to go along with the plan and convince customers that this is something they want. If you’re the sort of person that can get by with a Chromebook, Polaris sounds like it would fit your needs at least as well. But if Windows Central’s report is accurate, it sounds like Polaris is a recipe for fragmentation and confusion. That’s because, unlike Chromebooks, they’ll be marketed as Windows 10 computers. But if you buy one, it’ll only run UWP apps. If you decide you need to run software that’s not available in the Microsoft Store, you’re going to either need to buy a different machine or install a different version of Windows from scratch (or a GNU/Linux distro if you don’t feel like paying for another Windows license, I suppose). I get the argument that Microsoft needs a light-weight, streamlined, easy-to-use version of Windows to compete with Chrome OS, Android, and iOS. But I can’t help but think that calling it Windows 10 is a bad idea. Windows Central reports Microsoft could be ready to launch Polaris by 2019. (remember, they currently call something like it Win 10 for ARM or Win 10 S for schools) Polaris will be best for people that do most of their work in a web browser, along with maybe using Microsoft Office and a music streaming app here and there. These people do exist. In fact, they make for a significant chunk of PC users. Polaris is for the same people that iOS and Chrome OS are for. There is a market for a version of Windows that isn't bogged down by legacy features and functions, believe it or not. Microsoft's already trialing this with Windows 10 S, and Polaris is the next step in that — all the same features (minus Windows 10 Pro upgradability), but with even better performance and battery life. OK, you've been told already that Intel is dropping all legacy x86 structures in their cores to make a cut down simplified FASTER processor. Here is the MS OS that the new Intel processors will run on it, all cut down and simplified to match it functionally. It is clear that both MS and Intel strongly feel the need to abandon all their old legacy stuff as quite frankly taking care of all of it is both costly and hard to do. ..... duh ..... It is also clear that Google Fuchsia is coming, and coming fast like a bullet aimed right between the eyes at them. The huge AI change wave is coming, and coming fast, right at them rising up in the air like a tidal wave. Vola, yeppers, this is what they plan to do about it. Win 10 and Core i3-9 cannot compete in this brave new world and Wintel recognises that. So Wintel is dropping all of the old stuff and making up smaller, lighter, faster stuff that fits the brave new world better. AND YES, by golly, you x86 boys can start to feel "abandoned and kicked to the curb" any time now. (your choices are to turn off all updates to keep MS from messing you up even more and just ride your old pony until it drops dead ...... or pick a Linux DVD and set up a dual boot distro box and see if you can co-survive going forward that way until your hardware dies ..... Or else jump over to some other platform that seems to have a better future associated with it. Take heart, According to Windows Central, Microsoft will continue to offer the current version of Windows 10 that does support legacy apps natively even after Polaris is released. But the idea is to position it as an OS for power users or gamers, not the general public. Expect to pay even more money monthly/yearly for that "nightly fiddle with your machine" support. We’ll see how that goes. However, starting right now DO NOT BUY A CURRENT INTEL PROCESSOR BASED WINDOWS 10 BOX AS YOU ARE BUYING "an EXPENSIVE big nothing" FOR THE FUTURE. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome/FIuchsia vs Windows/Polaris Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/25/18 at 16:46:47 I'm So happy with my Ken Doll. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome/Fuchsia vs Windows/Polaris Post by Oldfeller on 01/26/18 at 08:49:16 Justin is one who has picked his other platform, his is a Amazon Fire Tablet, alias Kindle Reader, alias Ken doll (Justin has a sense of humor). I reach out my arm and pick my 8" Fire up, I don't use it as much as I could use it because I have multiple other devices that can do most all of the stuff I like to do slightly better. Mine lives in a black case like an iPad and it is hooked into my wife's permissions so she can use it in case of iPad failure (and iPads do indeed crap up on occasion, but not nearly as frequently as Mickey Soft does). I am sitting here, watching 40 items load and update themselves as my 8" Fire uploads all the upgrade content and the new stuff she has bought just in the last month. But yes, in a pinch I could live on a Fire 8" with a aftermarket bluetooth keyboard and mouse combo for easier text input. Amazon's ecosystem is pretty complete, but it does not overlap and match up exactly with current Android phones very well considering it actually IS a 4 years old heavily modified version of Android. If you want to use your Google Cards, Maps based navigation and other more current phone functions, Amazon is not the way of the future, exactly. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome/Fuchsia vs Windows/Polaris Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/26/18 at 09:41:59 I just surf the web and often very slowly.. I like reading articles and if I see a word I don't know, hit it, paste it, look it up.. The internet is so cool.. And YouTube has How To stuff on everything, And I don't have to be a n engineer to keep it going. |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome/Fuchsia vs Windows/Polaris Post by Oldfeller on 01/27/18 at 04:37:06 OK, let's roll this thread all together and end it. Google put up Chrome as a Cloud Operating system that was completely secure and easy to use. MS put up Windows 10 and fiddled with your computer each and every night just to keep it working. http://https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/shutterstock_320894498.jpg?w=738 MS killed literally thousands of XP class machines during this stage of things and nobody stopped them. MS now "remote controls" your Win 10 PC and literally owns it at night and CHARGES YOU YEARLY MONEY to pay them to fiddle with your box while you are sleeping. Intel, at MS's urging, put in back doors into the CPU Processor itself for MS to use on those who chose not to use Win 10. Literally, all machines have been "patched" repeatedly by Intel and MS -- they say they were fixing vulnerabilities but we now know they were also installing the same back doorways that now go under the bug names of Melt Down and Spectre. So now MS and Intel wants you to go buy an entire generation of new machines because your old machine was just slowed down to 1995 levels due to the new buggy Intel "security patches" for fixing Melt Down and Spectre. Linus Torvalds states publicly that these security patches contain a lot of other stuff and don't even act as security patches until a programming flag is thrown by Wintel to energize the very small amount of security patch that was actually part of the ugly mess. Brutal truth time, Wintel has won this two (2) year long PC foot race by using layers of misdirection and deceit, and a healthy dose of user complacency --- not by winning for any form of merit at all. Windows 10 sucks up far more resources to run far more slowly than Chrome OS or Android. Wintel literally has to fiddle with your machine on a nightly basis to keep it running and Wintel will continue to tell you when to pay them and how much to pay them for their ongoing "upgrades" and "services". Wintel has a 85% market share on the desktop and a 80% share in laptop and a totally complacent customer base that has been abused by them for 30 years now. You Windows guys will never know how much garbage you put up with because you roll in garbage all the time and it all seems all normal to you. You are really quite happy rolling around in MS's error ridden OS and that is simply sad to me. Sad, but true. So, this thread is pointless to a very major degree as this situation is not going to change because you, the users, are not going to change. And that makes it a waste of time to keep up with ...... http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/158042649-olympic-national-park-moss-plant-washington-us-state-pacific-northwest.jpg I think I am going to go to a happy place until I leave to go Snowbirding in Florida for a week of riding around in 80o weather. Smell all that minty green freshness and taste the hassle free (and really free) totally green goodness ...... and you, you can go anti-virus scan your Windows machine one more time again this weekend and go shut down / install all your very latest set of multiple/redundant sets of Win 10 security patches ..... and do by it all again next weekend (& every other weekend going on out in the future). ::) |
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Title: Re: Android/Chrome/Fuchsia vs Windows/Polaris Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/27/18 at 04:53:33 Finally, a summation of the Bullshit that even I can grasp. The situation you have laid out is something that I can think of no other industry could do to its customers and not see lawsuits. Maybe, MAYBE, there are enough people who have a " In a nutshell " grasp of the shabby, at best, criminal, possibly, treatment they have laid on the consumers and we will see them made to answer for the bullshit. Since the people are not generally educated enough to know who did what to whom, the market won't punish them. |
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