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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #900 - 01/22/18 at 12:54:56
 

OK, all you old machine Windows 7 users ..... perk up and pay attention.    Internal memos at MS and Intel show that they CANNOT make your machines secure and still have them run any faster than a snail stuck on flypaper even if they do make enough layers of patches to try to take care of the job.

This is the basis of Intel saying they are planning on abandoning the existing x86 platform in 2018 and MS saying they will not support anything out in the future that does not meet their "current hardware standards using their most current Win10 softwares".   Throw the two thoughts together and you Win 7 guys are being left out at the curb (in the gutter) laying sideways in the sleet and the snow and the dizzly frozen run off.

Buck up, you are getting abandoned by Wintel.   Get used to the idea.

Linux is trying to pick you up out of the gutter and get you back inside the house where it is warm, but that requires you to drop this silly shite about you not being able to learn a new thing or two ..... or about you not being able to do something slightly differently.

Sad thing is this, even if you bought a brand new set of Wintel, you'd be just as lost, with just as much to learn and still having to do a lot of things slightly differently.  

You'd just be a good bit poorer while trying to learn it, with MS's hand constantly stuck in your back pocket for a monthly service charge to cover your constant nightly updates.
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Reply #901 - 01/22/18 at 14:23:44
 
Is it just me or did Microsoft peak in software performance with Office Pro?
Seems like everything since has been downhill.
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Reply #902 - 01/22/18 at 17:16:01
 

https://liliputing.com/2018/01/say-hello-first-512gb-microsdxc-card.html



My smartphone has 32GB of storage space. My desktop has 512GB, or sixteen times as much.

But soon you’ll be able to buy a microSD card with as much storage as that.  Integral Memory has unveiled the first microSDXC card with 512GB of storage capacity, which ain’t half bad for a device about the size of a fingernail.

The new card meets the UHS-1 Class 1 specification and Video Speed Class 10 (V10) with read speeds up to 90 MB/s. Integral notes that write speeds are “lower,” but doesn’t say how much lower.

While there are faster storage cards available, it should be fast enough for capturing 1080p video or storing a heck of a lot of photos, videos, music, or other data. It’s the highest capacity microSD card we’ve seen since SanDisk introduced a 400GB microSDXC card last August.

Integral Memory says the new card should be available in February, and it’s appropriate for use in phones, tablets, action cameras, drones, and home security cameras, among other things. There’s no word on how much the new storage card will cost, but “a lot” seems like a safe bet.


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Quite to the contrary, MS has been in decline, as has been Intel.   ARM tech has been doing great all over the place, as has all the advances that have come along with it.

IF YOU ARE FOCUSED ON USING STUFF THAT IS FIVE YEARS OLD OR OLDER, YOU ARE JUST ALL BUSY MISSING THE CHANGE WAVE THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW OVER IN PHONE / AUTOMOTIVE LAND.

In the next two years a tectonic shift in computing will take place, based off those neural processing units that can do over a tera operations per second (TOPS) and we will have storage, systems memory and OS systems and software that can actually run at those speeds .....

...... hint, it ain't going to be Intel or MS based ......
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Reply #903 - 01/23/18 at 05:37:06
 
OF, you said intel is abandoning x86 systems. Thats 32 bit ,right? What if your version of Win 7 is 64 bit, are you still up the creek? My processor is intel celeron 2957U, dual core 1.4GHz.Thanks!
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Reply #904 - 01/23/18 at 06:11:16
 

Intel has said it is abandoning x86 32 bit and possibly x64 bit "as is" and Intel states it intends to streamline and simplify their planned new class of processors by abandoning all legacy hardware support structures.    Intel is recognizing the upcoming change wave, in other words.

Will they willingly kill all older versions of x64 bit chips and only support the very newest processors?   Answer:  Is it still under extended warranty support agreements with business customers?   No?   Very likely it will be dropped then as it is costing them their arse right now to support all that older hardware.

Microsoft has said they won't support any Windows installation that does not adhere to their current hardware standards and that support only will be done on the very most modern of their OS systems.   So, you must upgrade to the CURRENT Win 10 to get any support at all ..... and you can expect the cut off dates on supported items to roll forward yearly.

They will firm up these all these "vaguely mentioned in passing stances" after they get through the Class Actions and EU disciplinary actions over their current fail--fail--fail--fail issues.


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https://liliputing.com/2018/01/amd-reveals-specs-ryzen-desktop-chips-radeon-grap
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AMD’s first desktop PC chips with Zen architecture and integrated Radeon graphics are coming soon and AMD revealed a few details earlier this month. Now the company is providing more specs for the upcoming Ryzen 3 2200G and Ryzen 5 2400G processors, which should hit the streets in a few months for about $99 and $169, respectively.

AMD says the new chips should be competitive with Intel’s 8th-gen Core i3 and Core i5 desktop processors while selling for lower prices and featuring higher-performance integrated graphics .…    The new chips should work with current AM4 motherboards.

The Ryzen 3 2200G and Ryzen 5 2400G should be available in mid-February.



Yep, this chart is saying that the $99 AMD chipset that becomes real next month beats the new Core i5 Intel chipsets that are just expensive promises at this stage of things.   And if you have an AM4 motherboard, the new processor and a bios update will upgrade you without replacing everything.


BUY AMD, not Intel ......
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #905 - 01/23/18 at 06:35:26
 

https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/22/linus-torvalds-declares-intel-fix-for-meltdown
-spectre-complete-and-utter-garbage/



Jest click on it and read the whole thing -- also please realize that the EU Council Members consider Torvalds an expert on fixing Meltdown and Spectre as he has ALREADY FIXED it for the Linux Kernel and shipped it and had it work correctly for over 2 months now.  

I am typing this on a Torvalds kernel corrected Linux Mint machine .....

 Undecided         https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/22/linus-torvalds-declares-intel-fix-for-meltdown
-spectre-complete-and-utter-garbage/


"Is Intel really planning on making this shite architectural? Has anybody talked to them and told them they are f*cking insane?

They do literally insane things. They do things that do not make sense. That makes all your [i.e. Woodhouse’s] arguments questionable and suspicious. The patches do things that are not sane.

…So somebody isn’t telling the truth here. Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons. Sorry for having to point that out."



There is a conspiracy theory that Wintel wants to sell us all a new generation of computers and to do that they must artificially create a "need" for folks to buy that new generation of computers.    Look to the net result and suspect the motivations behind it, in other words.

So you need to watch what happens in the next 6 months very carefully and if you choose to go with Win10 REMEMBER TO ONLY BUY AMD AM4  socket motherboard machines from a vendor that DOES DO BIOS UPGRADES TO THEIR MOTHERBOARDS PERIODICALLY.

This is something you need to research before plunking down any money.   Most consumer grade machines have limited BIOS support from the machine maker as they don't think anyone is going to use the upgrades.   "Gamer grade" machines tend to have better BIOS support as they do actually do massive upgrades as the machines age out.   AMD AM4 makers tend to support BIOS better than Intel board makers.  

Intel consumer machines (HP and LENOVO) don't have any sort of good support as it is "one more out the door" as far as their past history goes.

As you feel your aching arm getting cranked up higher behind your back by Wintel, start planning on what you are actually going to do about it.  

First step would be to be honest about what you do with your machine, for what most of you actually do most of you could live very nicely off a $50 Amazon tablet or a $90 Android tablet (both will need an accessory bluetooth keyboard and mouse) and actually a cheap current generation Chromebook would actually be a bit of overkill for you power-wise.  

Intel would simply be overspend and under-utilize all the way ......  and you need to be able to admit that to yourself.

Once you honestly weigh your needs, then you need to weigh out possibly re-purposing your old hardware using Linux as this is really the cheapest/best way to go, really.   It does require you to think some and to learn some --- and yes you really can do it just like millions of others have already done.

FOSS is prepping two brand new Linux Distros that are being custom built to take all you Win7 guys in on your existing hardware while looking and doing just about like what you are used to.



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https://www.extremetech.com/computing/262647-linus-torvalds-says-intels-spect...

Torvalds’ feelings on the Intel patch were made public in an email chain with Amazon engineer David Woodhouse. He takes issue with the content of the Spectre (variant 2) patch as well as the way it’s implemented on Linux systems. “Has anybody talked to them and told them they are f*cking insane?” Torvalds says at one point in the exchange.

The “insane” part, according to Torvalds, is that Intel has added redundant junk to the patch and made the entire thing optional. Administrators actually need to opt into the patch via a software flag when booting the system. Torvalds says this is because Intel’s Meltdown patch (known as “Indirect Branch Restricted Speculation” or IBRS) is so inefficient that rolling it out universally would cause substantial performance hits. In addition, Torvalds says many of the changes made by the patch are redundant when Google’s “retpoline” already provides protection.



Intel has responded to Torvalds’ concerns without really saying anything — pretty standard for PR. The company says it’s “actively engaging with the Linux community, including Linus.” We’re not out of the woods yet, so it’s good we’ve got people like Linus Torvalds holding Intel’s feet to the fire.

As Torvalds points out, it looks like Intel’s approach to patching Spectre is to not patch it. The software flag is a weird half measure when we’re talking about such a serious flaw. Torvalds also complains that Intel seems determined to punt on the issue until it implements architectural changes down the road.


Read that last sentence again and realize that folks like Torvalds KNOW that Intel has plans to drop legacy x86 like a hot doggie turd later on this year.    

Torvalds is making moves to tee up some FOSS replacements for you so you don't lose your very real $$$$ investment in hardware while Wintel moves to try to FORCE you to buy new hardware.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #906 - 01/23/18 at 10:34:09
 

https://liliputing.com/2018/01/firefox-58-released-with-support-for-faster-graph
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Firefox is getting worth a second look --- built in ad blocking, no tracking, hey -- mebbe these guys are really on to something.

The new Firefox showed up on my Linux updates and promptly got installed and I am using it to type this post.  I use both Firefox and Chrome interchangeably and I keep both on my desktop ---- if one gets weird I use the other one until the ill party straightens up and flies right.

Firefox 58 seems to be as responsive as Chrome at the moment -- this is a good thing as Google will respond by making improvements in Chrome and Firefox will work on one upping that action -- it makes both browsers get better, it does.

Why I will always tend to mainly use Chrome ---- Chrome leads to knowing how to use Fuchsia and all the future cross item OS features I will want to use in future years.  

Firefox use teaches no future anything, really.   It is a legacy development of the old Netscape world view and it has no forward reaching components right now, just some fairly appealing "me too" stuff that makes it a really great backup browser for whenever Chrome gets ill.




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EU fines Qualcomm $1.2 billion for antitrust violations

At issue is an agreement Qualcomm had with Apple. From 2011 through 2016 Apple had agreed to exclusively use Qualcomm’s LTE chips for its iPhone and Pad devices. Under the agreement, if Apple released a device with an LTE chip from another company, such as Intel, Qualcomm would stop making those payments and Apple would have been required to pay back some of the money it had already received.

While Apple agreed to that deal, the European Commission says it violates the European Union’s antitrust rules by effectively denying other chip makers a level playing field when competing for Apple’s business and any associated opportunities that might have arisen from having Apple as a customer.

In addition to issuing a fine, the European Commission has basically told Qualcomm not to do it again.
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Reply #907 - 01/24/18 at 06:18:18
 

https://9to5google.com/2018/01/23/what-is-google-fuchsia-os/

Fuchsia is a cross-device OS

In today’s technological world, most people don’t have just one device, but multiple. Phone, tablet, desktop, laptop, wearables, and more. Based on the current state of the OS, Google seems to be working to make Fuchsia run on all of these seamlessly and in unison.

Traditionally, the problem with doing this is maintaining progress and context. That’s where something called Ledger comes in: once signed in with your Google Account, your applications automatically save their place across devices. Google describes Ledger as “a distributed storage system for Fuchsia.” Everything is stored in the cloud.



The idea is a futuristic but cool one: Close Chrome on your phone, then open it on your laptop and your tabs are right where you left them. The document you forgot to save before you left work? Just open Docs on your phone and save it. Your battery died right in the middle of a research project? Borrow a public computer and pick up where you left off.

Additionally, since there’s no difference between Fuchsia for laptop and desktop and Fuchsia for mobile, for some there may not be a need to carry both. Theoretically, you could just plug your phone into a dock (similar to Samsung’s DeX or Razer’s Project Linda, perhaps), and you can be up and running with a bigger screen and a desktop/laptop-like experience.

Fuchsia for developers

Google is reaching out to developers of all backgrounds with this project. Most of the UI is written in Dart (a language that is designed to feel familiar to JavaScript and Java developers), through the Flutter framework. Support for Go, another Google-designed language is also included. Systems developers will find comfort in the availability of Rust. Google is also targeting Apple’s developer base by introducing Swift support.

The icing on the cake, though, is the native interoperability support for most of these languages. Through the FIDL protocol, your Dart UI code can directly interface with your Go backend or any other combination. This gives developers the opportunity to be more expressive and use the best language for the job at hand. We’ll dive a bit more into this later.

So when can I use it?

Some signs we’ve seen point to some kind of initial Fuchsia release that would be sooner rather than later.  Based on looking at the current state of things, we’re inclined to think we won’t see any devices running Fuchsia until 2019 or later.


I have said several times that the interest level in Fuchsia had taken a remarkable jump as Intel and MS totally screwed up the world with their patchgate nonsense.

This is not just Google, it is every young "totally modern language" programmer suddenly signing up to the Fuchsia project as a contributor.   They are all pissed off and motivated.  These young people see Wintel as being an abortion that has aggravated them their entire lives and now they have a chance to do something about it.

Yes, Google is currently out front of the orchestra waving the baton (providing structure and cloud support) but all this massive swell of "instant progress" is coming from the programmer kiddies themselves.

This is FOSS in action, and MS and Intel will have to eventually join in if they want to play at all .....  or they can stay over in the corner and play with themselves just as they always have.

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Old style x86 is about done, boys and girls, and all the wet dreams that MS ever vapor cannoned are coming true right now in Fuchsia.  

And by golly, it is FREE and OPEN SOURCE and nobody owns it, it owns itself.

https://9to5google.com/2018/01/23/what-is-google-fuchsia-os/


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Reply #908 - 01/24/18 at 18:11:29
 
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Re: Android/Chrome/Fuchsia vs Windows/Polaris
Reply #909 - 01/25/18 at 14:36:59
 

https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-core-polaris
 
https://liliputing.com/2018/01/report-microsoft-working-modern-version-windows-1
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Report: Microsoft is working on a “modern” version of Windows 10 code-named Polaris… but you might not want it


What would Windows 10 look like if you stripped the legacy code that’s been around for decades and created a streamlined, modern version of the operating system optimized to run Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps?

It looks like we might find out, because Windows Central reports that Microsoft is working on just that. It’s a new version of Windows 10 for desktop, notebook, and 2-in-1 computers that’s code-named “Polaris,” and it’s said to offer better performance, longer battery life, and improved security over what you get from Windows 10 today.

But if you want to run Win32 applications (the vast majority of programs written for older versions of Windows), you’ll need to rely on virtualization.



According to Windows Central, Microsoft will continue to offer the current version of Windows 10 that does support legacy apps natively even after Polaris is released. But the idea is to position it as an OS for power users or gamers, not the general public. We’ll see how that goes.

If this all sounds a lot like Windows 10 S, it’s important to note that Windows 10 S is still basically the same operating system as Windows 10 Home or Pro, with some features enabled and others disabled. That’s why it’s so simple to upgrade from Windows 10 S to Windows 10 Pro.

Polaris is something new. It’s based on a new version of Windows 10 that’s rumored to be called Windows Core OS. It’ll use the cshell user interface we first heard about last year. And it’ll basically be the desktop version of Andromeda OS, a version of Windows optimized for mobile devices.

Among other things, that means there won’t be a simple upgrade path from Polaris to Windows 10 Pro: if you buy a device with Polaris (or whatever it’s eventually called), you’re stuck with Polaris.

It sounds like the idea is to offer Polaris on mainstream PCs and Windows 10 with Win32 application support on high-end machines aimed at professionals, gamers, and folks that need support for legacy software or newer games and programs that simply aren’t compatible with UWP apps. But the software maker will have to convince PC makers to go along with the plan and convince customers that this is something they want.

If you’re the sort of person that can get by with a Chromebook, Polaris sounds like it would fit your needs at least as well. But if Windows Central’s report is accurate, it sounds like Polaris is a recipe for fragmentation and confusion.

That’s because, unlike Chromebooks, they’ll be marketed as Windows 10 computers. But if you buy one, it’ll only run UWP apps. If you decide you need to run software that’s not available in the Microsoft Store, you’re going to either need to buy a different machine or install a different version of Windows from scratch (or a GNU/Linux distro if you don’t feel like paying for another Windows license, I suppose).

I get the argument that Microsoft needs a light-weight, streamlined, easy-to-use version of Windows to compete with Chrome OS, Android, and iOS. But I can’t help but think that calling it Windows 10 is a bad idea.

Windows Central reports Microsoft could be ready to launch Polaris by 2019. 
(remember, they currently call something like it Win 10 for ARM or Win 10 S for schools)

Polaris will be best for people that do most of their work in a web browser, along with maybe using Microsoft Office and a music streaming app here and there. These people do exist. In fact, they make for a significant chunk of PC users. Polaris is for the same people that iOS and Chrome OS are for. There is a market for a version of Windows that isn't bogged down by legacy features and functions, believe it or not. Microsoft's already trialing this with Windows 10 S, and Polaris is the next step in that — all the same features (minus Windows 10 Pro upgradability), but with even better performance and battery life.



OK, you've been told already that Intel is dropping all legacy x86 structures in their cores to make a cut down simplified FASTER processor.   Here is the MS OS that the new Intel processors will run on it, all cut down and simplified to match it functionally.

It is clear that both MS and Intel strongly feel the need to abandon all their old legacy stuff as quite frankly taking care of all of it is both costly and hard to do.    ..... duh .....

It is also clear that Google Fuchsia is coming, and coming fast like a bullet aimed right between the eyes at them.  

The huge AI change wave is coming, and coming fast, right at them rising up in the air like a tidal wave.

Vola, yeppers, this is what they plan to do about it.   Win 10 and Core i3-9 cannot compete in this brave new world and Wintel recognises that.   So Wintel is dropping all of the old stuff and making up smaller, lighter, faster stuff that fits the brave new world better.

AND YES, by golly, you x86 boys can start to feel "abandoned and kicked to the curb" any time now.

(your choices are to turn off all updates to keep MS from messing you up even more and just ride your old pony until it drops dead ...... or pick a Linux DVD and set up a dual boot distro box and see if you can co-survive going forward that way until your hardware dies .....

Or else jump over to some other platform that seems to have a better future associated with it.

Take heart, According to Windows Central, Microsoft will continue to offer the current version of Windows 10 that does support legacy apps natively even after Polaris is released. But the idea is to position it as an OS for power users or gamers, not the general public.  Expect to pay even more money monthly/yearly for that "nightly fiddle with your machine" support.

We’ll see how that goes.   However, starting right now DO NOT BUY A CURRENT INTEL PROCESSOR BASED WINDOWS 10 BOX AS YOU ARE BUYING "an EXPENSIVE big nothing" FOR THE FUTURE.
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Reply #910 - 01/25/18 at 16:46:47
 
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Reply #911 - 01/26/18 at 08:49:16
 

Justin is one who has picked his other platform, his is a Amazon Fire Tablet, alias Kindle Reader, alias Ken doll (Justin has a sense of humor).

I reach out my arm and pick my 8" Fire up, I don't use it as much as I could use it because I have multiple other devices that can do most all of the stuff I like to do slightly better.   Mine lives in a black case like an iPad and it is hooked into my wife's permissions so she can use it in case of iPad failure (and iPads do indeed crap up on occasion, but not nearly as frequently as Mickey Soft does).   I am sitting here, watching 40 items load and update themselves as my 8" Fire uploads all the upgrade content and the new stuff she has bought just in the last month.

But yes, in a pinch I could live on a Fire 8" with a aftermarket bluetooth keyboard and mouse combo for easier text input.

Amazon's ecosystem is pretty complete, but it does not overlap and match up exactly with current Android phones very well considering it actually IS a 4 years old heavily modified version of Android.  

If you want to use your Google Cards, Maps based navigation and other more current phone functions, Amazon is not the way of the future, exactly.
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Reply #912 - 01/26/18 at 09:41:59
 
I just surf the web and often very slowly..
I like reading articles and if I see a word I don't know, hit it, paste it, look it up..
The internet is so cool..
And YouTube has How To stuff on everything,
And I don't have to be a n engineer to keep it going.
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Reply #913 - 01/27/18 at 04:37:06
 

OK, let's roll this thread all together and end it.

Google put up Chrome as a Cloud Operating system that was completely secure and easy to use.   MS put up Windows 10 and fiddled with your computer each and every night just to keep it working.



MS killed literally thousands of XP class machines during this stage of things and nobody stopped them.   MS now "remote controls" your Win 10 PC and literally owns it at night and CHARGES YOU YEARLY MONEY to pay them to fiddle with your box while you are sleeping.

Intel, at MS's urging, put in back doors into the CPU Processor itself for MS to use on those who chose not to use Win 10.   Literally, all machines have been "patched" repeatedly by Intel and MS -- they say they were fixing vulnerabilities but we now know they were also installing the same back doorways that now go under the bug names of Melt Down and Spectre.

So now MS and Intel wants you to go buy an entire generation of new machines because your old machine was just slowed down to 1995 levels due to the new buggy Intel "security patches" for fixing Melt Down and Spectre.   Linus Torvalds states publicly that these security patches contain a lot of other stuff and don't even act as security patches until a programming flag is thrown by Wintel to energize the very small amount of security patch that was actually part of the ugly mess.

Brutal truth time, Wintel has won this two (2) year long PC foot race by using layers of misdirection and deceit, and a healthy dose of user complacency --- not by winning for any form of merit at all.   Windows 10 sucks up far more resources to run far more slowly than Chrome OS or Android.  Wintel literally has to fiddle with your machine on a nightly basis to keep it running and Wintel will continue to tell you when to pay them and how much to pay them for their ongoing "upgrades" and "services".  

Wintel has a 85% market share on the desktop and a 80% share in laptop and a totally complacent customer base that has been abused by them for 30 years now.

You Windows guys will never know how much garbage you put up with because you roll in garbage all the time and it all seems all normal to you.   You are really quite happy rolling around in MS's error ridden OS and that is simply sad to me.

Sad, but true.

So, this thread is pointless to a very major degree as this situation is not going to change because you, the users, are not going to change.

And that makes it a waste of time to keep up with ......





I think I am going to go to a happy place until I leave to go Snowbirding in Florida for a week of riding around in 80o weather.    Smell all that minty green freshness and taste the hassle free (and really free) totally green goodness ......  and you, you can go anti-virus scan your Windows machine one more time again this weekend and go shut down / install all your very latest set of multiple/redundant sets of Win 10 security patches .....   and do by it all again next weekend (& every other weekend going on out in the future).

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Re: Android/Chrome/Fuchsia vs Windows/Polaris
Reply #914 - 01/27/18 at 04:53:33
 
Finally, a summation of the Bullshit that even I can grasp. The situation you have laid out is something that I can think of no other industry could do to its customers and not see lawsuits. Maybe, MAYBE, there are enough people who have a " In a nutshell " grasp of the shabby, at best, criminal, possibly, treatment they have laid on the consumers and we will see them made to answer for the bullshit.
Since the people are not generally educated enough to know who did what to whom, the market won't punish them.
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