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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #720 - 08/29/17 at 18:55:52
 

http://www.investopedia.com/news/intel-edged-aside-rise-ai-cloud-computing/

Once again, the PC press all wear Shock Collars & a wire muzzle while reporting on any key topic you wish to discuss.   Whether it is Microsoft or Intel that holds the push button on that dog shock collar at the moment is debateable, but it is well known that the dogs will only bark frantically if signaled.

The Financial press does not wear a collar and it is here, in the finance world, that the hard things ARE discussed freely.

Read this confirmation of several points I made recently about Intel losing large hunks of relevance and becoming a "not a all controlling major player" in the coming redo of personal computing.

For example, Intel recently just bought up a failing AI company and suddenly that company's not really competitive AI chip has been re-stenciled as "Intel's great white hope in AI".    

The Financial World's reporting press isn't that slow or stupid, Intel.    And brown vapor is not recognized as something to fawn over in Finance World.

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Nvidia and Google lead in AI, with AMD being more relevant than Intel or Microsoft at this stage of things.

http://www.investopedia.com/news/intel-lose-next-tectonic-shift-jefferies/

If you are holding Intel, get out of it on the upticks and buy you some other stocks.    Microsoft needs to finish rewriting Windows to work on the new generation of ARM processors coming out next year, or they too can become irrelevant.


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https://www.semiaccurate.com/2017/08/29/amds-epyc-pummels-intels-new-xeon-w-w...

Intel sees strong market loss in workstation chipsets, one of their "sustaining market niches".
 AMD is now shipping Epyc and beating Intel up BADLY on even the most current release of the very most expensive multi-core Intel workstation chipsets.


Intel is being pummeled by AMD’s Epyc and today’s Xeon-W launch shows their desperation. Worse yet for Intel, they can’t react on pricing without destroying their core Xeon market.

As SemiAccurate has been saying for months, Intel is in a self-made bind. They have been squeezing locked-in customers harder and harder every generation because, well, the customers had no place to go. Note the past tense in the previous sentence, AMD’s Epyc launch made that lock-in a moot point last June. Today Intel launches the Xeon-W workstation parts and they don’t compare well to the competition.



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This fall's generation of Chromebooks are coming out now, all of them are Playstore Ready and they are no more expensive than before.   Furthermore, the 32 top items on last year's "will get Playstore this year"  list just got their Playstore update pushed out just in time for the Germany Tech show.    Remainder of the list (older items) are pending but are expected this year.

Acer is headlining that German show with a 2.8-3.0 pound 15.6" touchscreen Chromebook with an all aluminum chassis.   With Core i5 and Core i7 latest generation Intel chipsets.   For $300-$400 dollars.   And a Consumer Reports "Recommended" reliability rating, something that Win Surface machines at 2-3x the price DO NOT HAVE at this point in time.

Bang for the bucks, this is a whole lot of machine, with good design and two LARGE speakers on either side of the full keyboard and HUGE trackpad.    Because of the new rigid much stronger aluminum chassis this laptop is a pound lighter and slightly thinner as well.

FAIR WARNING:   This Acer unit has been around a while, so look for the correct model number, amount of memory, aluminum chassis, etc. etc.    I have seen sell out pricing of $179 on some of the older less capable all plastic units ......




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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #721 - 09/01/17 at 12:47:26
 
http://theweek.com/articles/721988/windows-doomed



You've heard this before, but not from a weekly news magazine with a large published distribution.

The gist is that Windows has become a single brown lumpy Baby Ruth shape floating in a sea of active moving fluid mobile ARM/Android.   And even if Mickey eventually does gets it's stuff shrunk and ported over to use ARM correctly Mickey will still have the problem of NO PROGRAMMER BASE and a stinking rotting corpse of a Windows store.  

Plus, nobody trusts Mickey any more, as they have proven time and time again that they CANNOT be trusted.   Mickey is its own worst enemy .....

Windows is beginning to flounder about now, doing this and that to no real effect.   People see the new computing wave coming and they act like they are glad to see it come as they want it to go ahead and flush Windows on down the circular bowl swirl.

EXAMPLE:   out of 8 devices in my house Windows only runs one of them -- and that one item has the most problems of any of the rest (or all of them together, actually) strictly because of Mickey's wrong headed greedy tricks.


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https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-qualcomm-and-intel-the-windows-10-ar...

Here is the current state of Mickey on ARM processors.

(discombobulated is about how I interpret it right now).

Now that Intel will not permit the use of their proprietary x86 systems calls on ARM chipsets by using software emulation they have locked Wintel down to a very large degree by not allowing Microsoft to use x86 calls to be done on any other non-Intel processors at all, any, whatsoever.


Now, Mickey needs to write them up a new, ARM based OS that does not use Intel style proprietary x86 systems calls at all, none what-so-ever.  

See Mickey snuggle on up to Linux, who has a full set of FOSS x86 calls that are fully developed and implemented already jest a sitting there jest a waiting .....  

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Reply #723 - 09/01/17 at 13:49:37
 

https://liliputing.com/2017/09/huawei-unveils-kirin-970-octa-core-chip-neural-pr
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As usual, Huawei comes out early with a stock ARM implementation, prompting ARM to have to come out with full disclosures on what Huawei is producing and shipping.

The Kirin 970 is exactly like the Kirin 960 from last year with three differences ..... lithography has shrunk from 16nm to 10nm, a doubling bump in baseband/radio specs and the new Mali G-72  graphics system is being used -- this is the very first of the DynamIQ compatible items to hit real production.

The GPU has been bumped up from ARM Mali-G71 MP8 graphics to Mali-G72 MP12. And the LTE radio has been upgraded from one with Cat 12/13 support that tops out at 600 Mbps download speeds to a Cat 18 model that supports top download speeds of 1.2 Gbps.

But it’s the Kirin 970's NPU (DynamIQ Neural Processing Unit) that’s really the defining feature of the new chipset. Huawei says it offers 25 times the performance of a CPU with 50 times better energy efficiency for tasks including real-time image and voice recognition and “intelligent photography.”


With an almost identical rest of chip, the real advantages of the Neural Processor Unit that is part of the Mali G-72 graphics system is going to be readily apparent when comparing the Mate 9 and the Mate 10 once both the phones are both out in the wild.

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #724 - 09/01/17 at 14:54:16
 
Looking at a chromebook.
Reason to not?
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Reply #725 - 09/01/17 at 15:43:41
 

From your perspective, there will be issues ..... printing comes to mind at once.

You will find you may need some net help to get your old style printer set up with the internet printing as used by the Chromebook (you have to have a running windows machine to use your old printer as it uses the MS unit as a printer server).   Your old printer was built only with Windows 7 in mind, and it lacks THE NEW DRIVERS and MS isn't going to help you out one tiny iota as you go over to a Chromebook.    You may never get the old printer to work right is what I am saying.

(many opt to get a new printer, one that was built with Chromebooks in mind rather than screw around messing with the old printer you already have)

Once printing is handled, then you have to deal with using new apps for everything that you use a separate app for.   And there will be learning pains to go through during that process.

Be careful when picking the Chromebook, you want one that is Play Store Ready and one that supports Chromebook USB to printer printing (the new ones do this and it is the simplest to set up printing).   Be sure you have the right kind of USB ports as there are 3 generations of USB out there to foul you up if you aren't watching out for this USB thing good.  

Only buy a machine with lots of USB ports.   Windows type USB hubs need not apply for use on a Chromebook ..... won't work.  

You may see "WIFI printing" which is good but be careful to make sure the Chromebook is compatible to the exact printer.  You got Apple WIFI printing, and Windows Surface WIFI printing, and two generations of Chromebook WIFI printing out there to cause some confusion.

Once again, let your wife and daughter drive, as you will be held liable for anything that doesn't work the way they think it should work.

I would join a Chromebook forum for the exact machine you are thinking about buying and ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS on the forum and wait until you are happy with the info provided that you understand it before plunking down any $$$.
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Reply #726 - 09/01/17 at 16:03:01
 
Once again, let your wife and daughter drive, as you will be held liable for anything that doesn't work the way they think it should work.


That's a given, dude!

And shopping, knowing some of the pitfalls, deciding, then joining a forum and seeing if that choice is a landmine in your pocket, that's just smart regardless of the genre of stuff being considered.
I see people Buy the bike, haul it to a shop, THEN they come in here, all too often.
Good advice and thanks for the heads up on ports.

We ditched the printer a few years ago.
The cartridges kept drying up and screwing up the nozzles.
We don't need a printer often enough to justify it.
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Reply #727 - 09/01/17 at 16:04:29
 

Why does your wife need a keyboard?    What is she doing that drives her to ask for one?
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Reply #728 - 09/01/17 at 16:30:39
 
Her Ken doll took a dump.
She wants something bigger.
I don't have a better answer.
I'm not even sure I understand the question.
What are the options?
Keyboard, or no keyboard?
What's the best/biggest
Nonkeyboard critter out there?
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Reply #729 - 09/01/17 at 18:45:13
 

What size of Fire tablet or Kindle did she have?

They come 7", 8", 9", 10", 13" if you list all the makes and types available.

I am pretty sure a Kindle user won't like a laptop for very much, unless it is a very small and light unit.

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Reply #731 - 09/01/17 at 21:48:39
 
We're talking,,thanks guys.
Dell, hmmm....up to her!
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Justin, how much money did you want to spend?

Does she sit at a table or does she sit on the couch with the tablet in her lap?
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Reply #733 - 09/02/17 at 03:06:48
 

<Ding!!!>

That's the bell that starts Round 3 of Win 10 on ARM DEATHFIGHT

It is a really odd full contact kick boxing match with opponents sitting in 3 corners, with all three coming out of their corners then making up a pair at times and pounding on the third, but not always the same ones pair up, it changes during each round several times.

When we reached out to Qualcomm for comment, a Qualcomm spokesperson responded with the following:

“Given our recent announcement with ASUS, HP and Lenovo, we found the blog that one of our competitors published on June 8 very interesting. We look forward to the launch of the always connected Windows 10 PC powered by the Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 Mobile PC Platform later this year. As showcased at Computex 2017 in conjunction with Microsoft, the Snapdragon 835 Mobile PC Platform brings a true always connected PC experience with support for up to Gigabit LTE connectivity and all-day battery life for sleek, thin and fanless designs. This will change the future of personal computing.”

In similar fashion, a Microsoft spokesperson offered a statement in addition to the link to the video above:

“There are users who need to be connected to the cloud at all times, leveraging the latest network technology like gigabit LTE and eSIM. Microsoft is collaborating with its ecosystem on a shared vision that starts with a close partnership at the silicon layer, with Intel and Qualcomm, and with its mobile operator partners to provide seamless eSim connectivity. Microsoft device partners including ASUS, HP, Huawei, Lenovo, VAIO, and Xiaomi, are committed to this new category of Always Connected PCs using eSim technology.

In addition, Always Connected devices will be coming from ASUS, HP, and Lenovo, on the Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chipset. These new devices will feature Windows 10, with always-on LTE connectivity and great battery life.”

Intel’s response was as guarded as its blog entry. From an Intel spokesperson:

“Intel respects intellectual property rights and we expect others to do the same.  x86 technology is both proprietary and central to our business, and we’re concerned any time it appears that others may be copying it inappropriately.  We will thoroughly evaluate any products that claim to emulate x86 technology, and vigorously enforce our intellectual property rights if we believe they are infringed.”

Analysis & Conclusion

This is a very fine dance these three appear to be performing. And at the same time, given that rumors were floating as early as November last year – weeks before announced at WinHEC – it seems odd that Intel was not aware of this prior to Computex, whether they would admit it publicly or not. At the same time, history (such as with the Transmeta Crusoe and WoW64) shows that there’s not much from a legal perspective to challenge it. But the moment that anyone drops the words “x86 emulation,” such as what Microsoft and Qualcomm had been doing up until Computex, it’s only a matter of time before enough concerned voices and shareholders demand Intel respond to it.

Will it change the project that Microsoft and Qualcomm are working on? I reached out to Anshel Sag, Associate Analyst at Moor Insights & Strategy for his thoughts on this. (Contributor note: Mr. Sag, as an industry analyst, was also very instrumental in reaching the right persons for timely responses by Intel, Microsoft and Qualcomm.) His response:

“Judging by the response I have seen from Qualcomm, it doesn’t seem that they are in the slightest worried about the comments from Intel. Microsoft, naturally, hasn’t said anything because of their close relationship with Intel which I believe this is straining somewhat. I believe competition is always good for the market and I believe that Microsoft believes this as well.”

A successful launch of Windows 10 ARM poses a risk to Intel at a time where it is facing increased competition elsewhere in its business segments. As we have covered also from Computex AMD is about to ramp up and launch its Epyc server processors based on the Zen architecture. Its consumer lineup, Ryzen, is also going to continue the competition by expanding into both the high end enthusiast desktop and mobile segments. ARM64 competition, such as Qualcomm, would certainly challenge its embedded, Atom and Core M segments.

At the same time that they highlighted the “Always Connected” devices we saw Microsoft highlight its efforts to further Mixed Reality and Augmented Reality devices, such as their own HoloLens. I’m not convinced that either Microsoft nor the ARM semiconductor manufacturers, such as Microsoft, are going to stop here. NVIDIA, for example, is sitting fairly well now on its Tegra portfolio between the self-driving car initiative and deal with Nintendo powering the Switch. Though an inquiry to NVIDIA didn’t suggest anything is on the horizon, I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see NVIDIA consider a re-entry either. It easily could offer a Tegra X1 or X2 based device – and it certainly can offer graphics power to drive a head mounted display.

Asking Mr. Sag on this topic as well suggests we’re not alone:

“I absolutely believe that this could extend beyond “Always Connected” PCs that were announced at Computex. We’ve already seen Microsoft’s smartphones with Windows 10 embrace ARM, which I believe was the groundwork for this development in PCs. I also believe that as the applications and ecosystem grow we could see AR/MR/VR headsets with ARM processors run Windows, which I believe is part of Microsoft’s long-term strategy to dominate the AR/MR/VR market. I do not believe that Hololens is going to be the only standalone headset for Windows Mixed Reality and I believe that we will see headsets with ARM inside.”

I’ve said it time and time again though – 2017 is quickly becoming the year of increased competition in the PC market. And given that there has been so little of it in many of these segments, it’s unfortunate that Intel will bear the brunt of this due to their past successes. But what is Intel’s lost will most certainly be the gain of others, most importantly the consumer. And that’s always a good thing.



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Reply #734 - 09/02/17 at 07:55:23
 
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Justin, how much money did you want to spend?

Does she sit at a table or does she sit on the couch with the tablet in her lap?



We talked about size. I believe it does matter here, too. She has a favorite chair, recliner..and she doesn't want to be sitting at the table. And they can Call it a laptop, but I've seen
Portable radios that almost required a furniture dolly to move.
I'm hinting at the bigger kindle.
I don't want to go over Three hundred, as long as she's Happy and it lasts and doesn't need an IT hotshot to keep it working.
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