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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #705 - 08/22/17 at 10:26:30
 
https://liliputing.com/2017/08/asus-launches-vivobook-w202-notebook-windows-10-s
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Windows 10S Chromekiller actually ships   (one unit, anyway)



The version that ships with Windows 10 S has a list price of $280 and features an Intel Celeron N3350 dual-core Apollo Lake processor, 4GB of RAM, and 64GB of eMMC storage.

Pay $300 and you get the same exact laptop, except it comes with Windows 10 Home rather than S. Of course, you can also pay $50 to upgrade from Windows 10 S to Windows 10 Pro.


So, it is the same thing as a budget Win 10 machine except the software is sorta truncated and it can only run Windows Store applications from a special truncated Windows Store.

Once you get tired of that, you can pay $50 to upgrade the Win10S software to Win10 Pro, paying in essence $30 extra compared to buying Win 10 in the first place, but instead you would only get a crippled version of Win 10 Pro that has to have special apps to run on it (which will cost you a lot of extra $$$ over time).

In neither case do you get enough processor or enough memory to local load and run any major Windows softwares very well, and in no case is it as fast or responsive as the Chromebook itself would have been running Chrome based softwares.

We now look forward to watching some "head to head competitive review" You Tube videos between Chromebook and Chromekiller ....

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Please also note that NO ARM PROCESSOR BASED CHROME KILLERS ARE BEING OFFERED UP AT ALL since Intel won't allow their proprietary x86 systems calls to be emulated .....    

And also note that a school system would have to be VERY STUPID to change away from Chromebooks based on what has been seen for the practically non-existent support bits and pieces that the MS Chrome killers would require (all at extra cost of course).




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Reality Check -- what follows was MS's promise to schools when they started the Win 10S bs up nearly a year ago .....



Like most things MS, they missed the implementation dates AND it cost twice as much up front as was promised ..... and it has lots of hidden software and administration costs out the arse too.

Hey Mickey,  Minecraft ain't free if it costs you yearly Microsoft 365 money.


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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #706 - 08/22/17 at 16:45:14
 

https://www.blog.google/topics/connected-workspaces/introducing-chrome-enterp...

OK, Google has just thrown down the gauntlet to Microsoft --- for $50 per seat per year you can integrate Chromebooks into your current business systems using the same tools you have been using for Wintel products.

$50 bucks per seat buys you ......




Once again, Google is pushing at businesses to change their IT business models.   This time, by offering a low cost FULL FUNCTIONAL Alternative which occurs at the same point in time that MS is just now starting to roll out their own $100 + dollar per seat plans that do not include all the third party optimizations (which will cost additional $$$ for MS's current networked approach)

As did Whirlpool and other businesses, complete replacement of MS systems is underway at some companies that are keying off the education developed IT systems that are already in place.

Will Chrome Enterprise be good enough to entice even more of the larger Fortune 500 companies ???    Yep, if your network system uses any of the key stuff mentioned, you'd be stupid not to use what you readily can out of the new Google Enterprise system.   Stuff like data entry and customer service which already run off of your intra-net are a no brainer shoe in as it is a natural for low cost Chromebooks already.   There are lots and lots of worker drone machines inside your business that can do likewise ....  

But not your engineer's CAD terminal nor your VP of Finance and his CPA's spreadsheet monster machines.   Them you leave alone and you jest pay the silly Microsoft tax.

Cost savings will be considerable over the first few years and will only get better in the years following as you roll more and more people over to Chromebooks and the Chrome Enterprise OS system.

Look to see a really really BIG MS FUD attack to be put on by MS with lots of advertising dollars spent on defaming Google and Chrome Enterprise System from now through the Christmas season and New Years fiscal period.    Watch the MS paid talking heads go at it, strongly, ASAP.

Shocked    Shocked    Shocked    Shocked

<DING>    that's the sound of round two beginning, with low cost local boy Rocky Balboa vs Mickeysoft's Very Expensive Monkey Butt Attack.  

Look to see them ugly MS arranged 3rd party nuisance lawsuits being cranked up about now as well ......

Undecided

..... this is almost guaranteed to take Mickey's mind off his little underpowered Chromebook killers .....


Shocked   Shocked    .... so, Google's response to MS's Chromekillers really was the Enterprise firing photon torpedo spreads
               followed by some Enterprise based phaser fire ....     Shocked    Shocked 



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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #707 - 08/23/17 at 12:29:40
 

In the 2017-2018 age where Wintel lies to you, the consumer, pretty much all the time, how do you know what is what?

Undecided     Undecided     Undecided     Undecided

At the end of each quarter, the market research houses report on the shrinking PC world.   This shrinks each year between 5 and 8 percent and has done so for a decade now.

Apple pundits having no serious axe to grind in the PC vs Chromebook fight -- but they DO freely admit more Chromebooks are being sold than the 15% market share held by Mac and Mac Laptop products.   By this, Apple pundits are tracking a 10-15% Chromebook growth pattern from their perspective.    Pundits, lacking hard data still seem to think that Chromebooks are holding ~ 25%~ of new computing sales, especially with the younger generation of computer users.

Education has gone over to Chromebook, big time ..... and Wintel has no real response to that situation.   The same acceptance drivers (low cost, ease of maintenance) are now beginning to apply to the Big Business PC type uses and we see Chromebooks are moving into that segment now as we speak.

As the third world industrializes, PC type machine use is staying steady or growing slightly taken as a world wide thing.    For the US to track a steady decline in MS PC use says that MS is losing market share in the USA and world-wide as well.

The merge of Chromebook and Android goes apace, with Android Play Store apps playing on all the new generations of Chromebooks.    And now Big Business has Chromebook Enterprise as a lower cost alternative for company intra-net LAN based worker bees to use.

There are some of the reasons to expect Chromebook use to increase in the next few years.

Intel's threatening to sue MS for trying to emulate x86 proprietary system calls when running ARM Android chipsets is really just Intel binding MS to Intel's decline rate legally.    Misery loves  company after all.  This Intel delaying tactic will not hold for long (MS will eventually do the ARM system calls natively to a new Win 10 Pro Ultra with NO EMULATION) then Intel will really just lose more of its relevance even faster than before .....

Intel MUST come up with some compellingly good chips, really really soon as Tensor AI and DynamIQ poses a serious threat to Wintel, one that must be contested NOW or it will be too late.

Roll Eyes          Did you know ..... the cheapest Intel chipsets (not really feature competitive) cost twice as much as an ARM full function SOC costs ???

This seems to play on out into the total unit costs -- decent performing business grade Windows machines cost $400 to $700 depending on your feature set while maxed out Chromebooks with new business grade features and the new bells and whistles cost $300 to $500.    

Yes, you read that right ..... a maxed out tricked out overpowered Chromebook costs the same (or less) than a mediocre performing, so-so slow Windows machine.  

To get equivalent PERFORMANCE out of Windows you have to buy a $1000 plus Surface Machine (yeah, the very ones THAT ARE NOT RECOMMENDED by Consumer Reports for a long growing list of reliability issues)

Side to side, running the same software, the Windows machine requires 2-3x more resources and the Windows machine still performs SLOWER than the Chromebook --- it also has lots of little hidden extra cost items that you find out about in the second year of ownership as the sub-bits demand to be upgraded for various amounts of extra $$$.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #708 - 08/23/17 at 13:46:54
 
Windows.... walk to the light.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #709 - 08/23/17 at 22:59:54
 

You mean like this one ???

Now I understand that some things can take time,
Especially those of the heart grievin' kind.
But there comes a point you've got to move on ahead,
Read the last rites and bury the dead.
Said she can't make the journey to get past the pain.
She moans in the night and she rattles her chains.
Somebody oughtta take her in their arms and tell her,

"Don't be afraid, just walk to the light.
Let go of the past and get on with your life. "
Somebody's waitin' out in the night,
Ashes to ashes, walk to the light.

Oh, don't be afraid of the choices that you made,
The choices are behind you.
When you give in, the healin' can begin,
Love is gonna find you.

Don't be afraid, just walk to the light.
Let go of the past and get on with your life.
Somebody's waitin' out in the night,
Ashes to ashes,

Oh, oh, don't be afraid just walk to the light,
Let go of the past and get on with your life.
Someone is waiting out in the night,
Ashes to ashes, walk to the light.
Walk to the light.
Walk to the light.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #710 - 08/24/17 at 10:35:47
 

My wife just got the new death message for old windows machines that were moved over to Win 10 .....

"We are having issues with your Windows registration, please click here to fix"

Don't do it, close the message window without deleting or responding within it and just continue to use your machine until Mickey ratchets down his vice grips down on your nuts deeper yet again     Shocked   yeeeowie !!

..... unless you bought your Win 10 from the Windows Store you do not have the "correct answer" to the string of stuff the Indian or Pakistani person on the other end of the phone is going to throw at you.

This time they didn't accuse my wife of being a software pirate, but said you had to register to "avoid the paying the costs of nightly maintenance".

Sounds like a sales pitch to me, you talk to them and you wind up "paying for nightly maintenance".
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #711 - 08/24/17 at 17:59:08
 
 
http://optocrypto.com/2017/06/01/arm-cortex-a75-a55-will-mobile-processors-2018/


ARM Cortex-A75 and A55, this will be the mobile processors of 2018

Warning, this year will be an inflection point with a new ARM Cortex family starting up with a new DynamIQ Android OS  to match it.   Stuff from before 2018 is water over the dam from this point forward.

This article is VERY VERY British and as such is somewhat hard for Americans to read and understand.  However it springs from a one day event in England called TechDay , which this year has been held in Cambridge, the home of ARM Holdings.

There were test boards available for the Brit tech press to run tests against, and there were tech talks about how DynamIQ actually works and examples of it doing its thing.   ARM doesn't exaggerate or push brown vapor, and I suspect the Brit Tech Press thoroughly checked on all the claims as that was what the day was all about.





So far Qualcomm, Samsung and the rest of the major players are rolling out bone stock ARM Holdings designs for 2018, as they DO want to use A75 & A55 and the newest Mali G-72 GPU using DynamIQ to control them all (and using the pooled permanent memory sharing,  AI learning, fast execution, etc. etc.)

The Brits were impressed by the cohesive nature of the complete package and how the conjoined memory really kicks Adreno's butt in the Mali graphics section.  The capacity of the previous generation of graphics card is beyond doubt. And the qualitative leap I have left very close (or at par) of the best Adreno of Qualcomm (which is now the 540). In this new component, which is used with ARM Cortex-A75 and Cortex-A55 architectures. The energy consumption reduces by 25%. And, in addition, the performance gets high by a factor of 20 .

Read more http://optocrypto.com/2017/06/01/arm-cortex-a75-a55-will-mobile-processors-2018/

2018 will have lots of players using pretty much bone stock Android 9.0 on their devices so look to see Google polish this 9.0 version up to a really fine gloss and look to see ARM uncork a very solid first DynamIQ "guaranteed performance" processor set up for this first roll out.  

The smaller guys may be a better value for your dollar during these somewhat odd circumstances where everyone is doing the same thing -- however, you can count on the big guys to bring back "a tuned chip of their very own" for 2019-2020 after they get a better understanding of DynamIQ, Tensor AI and shared permanent memory and how it all works together.

Cool

Companies that cannot afford to license this new stuff will be sorting themselves out into oblivion, very shortly.   Timing wise, the changeover machines will likely get discounted to be quite cheap in the following year, but will still be very solid values for the next 3 years of normal use.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #712 - 08/24/17 at 19:21:02
 
My wife is tired of the kindle. She's wanting a laptop . I don't know what we should buy.
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Reply #713 - 08/24/17 at 21:31:08
 

Justin, what do her friends and relatives use?

With your wife it is important that she have endless support and help whenever she needs it.

Unless you intend to be her IT department, buy her what she thinks she needs which is going to be buddy-sister-friends based.

Ask her who she asks for help, and find out what they recommend.

Anything you pick would be wrong, and their picks would be "better", obviously.

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My wife has a Windows laptop, an Apple iPad 2 and an Android phone choices she picked based following this simple method.

She currently likes the phone (does everything on it) hates the iPad 2 (too slow) and despises the Win 10 laptop since it started "doing funny on her all the time".

..... and .....

She uses my Linux box as her backup when all her stuff is crapped out.   She doesn't like it,  says the menus are confusing but she admits it always is working correctly.

However, she always can get the help she needs instantly from her teaching buds and her sister and her cousins, etc. with problem fixes coming quickly except on Windows (when MS causes the issue seeking some money then it doesn't fix quick)
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Reply #714 - 08/25/17 at 12:39:52
 

Anything you pick would be wrong, and their picks would be "better", obviously.

That pretty much goes without saying..
And extends Well beyond the realm of electronic devices.

I'm gonna let my daughter drive this boat.. I don't want anything to do with Windows, the way MS sneaks in and loads junk on.
Being so illiterate in the language of computing, ignorant of the pitfalls, makes me an easy mark. I doubt my daughter is savvy enough to dodge a screwing, but I'll have her look here.
Expect to be bothered..
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Reply #715 - 08/25/17 at 17:44:20
 

Justin, this is the wrong year to be buying a laptop as the inflection is beginning and all things will be "renewed" within the next year, roughly.

HOWEVER, if you do buy something on close-out or buy it refurb very cheaply it can last you long enough to get past the coming inflection phase period.

No matter what you buy her, it isn't going to make her happy for very long, not unless her wish is really to be "just like somebody else" in which case go buy her one of those and just tell her it will be obsoleted within a year or so ......
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Reply #716 - 08/25/17 at 18:41:42
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8rYed3RKZI

Watch this video, it is SECOND ATTEMPT at explaining about DynamIQ and it makes things a lot clearer.

Check the side bar and you will see other videos by the same guy explaining the new Cortex Family  (A75 big and A55 little) and a final set talking about Mali G-72 graphics and the use of new style pooled "permanent" memory.

I found that the first time I watched  the original series much of it went right over my head, but this time he explains it better using terms that now have more meaning to us all.

This second explanation series was put together after the one day of hands on at TechDay at ARM Holdings, so they got some much better instruction and some newer info that they are passing on.

It better explains why next year's Android 9 will be running on the same SOC stuff from all the big boys and why all the little guys may be crowding on to the stage by Android 10 or a wee bit sooner.

This is akin to the shift from 32 bit processing to 64 bit processing, it too was a must do "forced putt" when it occurred.

In the Mali G72 explanation video they go a good bit deeper into how the Mali G72 is a right considerable powerful processor all by itself and "in combination" with your main power cores and using the large amount of pooled memory that you will have on the phone that DynamIQ can go do AI learning right on your cell phone (when it is on charge and not in use) .... and then it can do that learned fast execution thing on any of your cell phone chipset's little cores.    

Roll Eyes     AI in your pocket .....

Google can and will pre-learn all their stuff for you on their big Tensor Flow servers out in the cloud just to be convenient, but it is interesting that your new style smaller individual Play Store apps will be able to use your charger parked phone to learn something while you are asleep, then it is available as a fast execute item on your phone from then on.    

It is these fast executing "learned items" that execute so much more quickly that it makes your overall throughput 30 times faster than the old Wintel stuff could ever do.

New times they are a coming ......  

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Reply #717 - 08/25/17 at 20:50:45
 
Thanks Oldfeller, I'll tell her that and see if she wants one so badly that she's will to have obsolete soon, or wait for the next leap in technology.
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Reply #718 - 08/28/17 at 13:38:08
 

Two Morons and a Dinosaur: Mayor Bill de Blasio and Jessica Tisch, police deputy commissioner of information technology tout new Windows Phones.
(Photo: Chad Rachman)

http://macdailynews.com/2017/08/28/nyc-mayor-de-blasio-deputy-it-commissioner...

36,000 fairly new Win 10 phones have been rendered as scrap by last week's Microsoft's decision not to support them.

NYC Prosecutor's office is investigating some ugly rumors of bribery and malfeasance.

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..... go Mickey, go .....





To pour rock salt on the open wounds, this obsoletion occurs only weeks after Microsoft had finished re-writing all the MS contract sourced custom software that NYPD had ordered to go along with the phones.  

MS has not yet fixed all the bugs in the contract software that they ordered and had delivered so NYPD could use a Win 8.1 phone using Win 10 software .....

Undecided

Somebody needs to go to jail over this one .....


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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/28/nypd_scraps_36000_windows_smartphones/



Tsk, tsk, Tisch

Well, according to department sources quoted by the New York Post, the procurement disaster was all down to Ms Tisch – who, it turns out, is the daughter of former Loews CEO and billionaire James S Tisch.

"She drove the whole process," one unhappy cop told the paper, name-checking Jessica. "Nobody purchases 36,000 phones based on the judgment of one person," he complained. "I don't care if you're Jesus fricking Christ, you get a panel of experts."

Which is a fair point, since we have no hesitation in saying that even an expert panel of one would have concluded that Windows phones were a turn in the wrong direction for a huge police department.

According to other sources, the reason Tisch plumbed for the Lumia was because the NYPD was using Microsoft software on its video surveillance system – a system that Tisch has closely associated herself with and, back in 2012, demonstrated and boasted about to the press, raising eyebrows.

You can see how an inexperienced IT manager might think that it made sense to go with Microsoft all the way. But then that is also why anyone who carries out IT procurement into an area they are not expert on gets a team of people to review all the possibilities before they spend huge sums of money.

"She was in charge. It was her project, no question about that," another department source told the Post.

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