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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #120 - 04/17/16 at 06:55:32
 

Intel has decided to skip 10nm and to put all its spare change into a push for a 7nm non-silicone chip making process that can skirt around IBM/Samsung/Globalfoundries Consortium's 7nm processes and 7nm granted patents and already running 7nm prototype line.    

Late to the party again, I see ....  but likely it is smart for Intel to decide to take a pass on 10nm silicon as that would likely just magnify your existing 14nm issues
(and throw you yet further underneath the bus).




This is Intel's D1X "great white hope" building --- where their 7nm non-silicon competitive future will come from -- or not, as the case may be.


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Remember, Intel is HUGE, so big it would take them 10 years to very slowly die if they didn't do anything at all about their "technology gap"now that they are willing to say they've actually got one.  

Intel is now importing upper management from Qualcomm right and left and that new mobile-talented management is displacing the "old cronies" running development and sales (who then go off to early retirement) and is putting in new technology leadership from the mobile world right and left.

Intel has torn down and "rebuilt itself"  before -- but never against a sea of far eastern competition before .......   I think AMD really wasn't all that much of a threat, really.



   
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #121 - 04/18/16 at 03:09:09
 

http://www.winbeta.org/news/layoffs-continue-within-microsofts-mobile-divisio...

And lets see what MS is up to, job cut wise ....  

"Microsoft is undergoing some truly significant shifts from its previous stance as the Windows company toward a new strategy as the “mobile-first, cloud-first” productivity solutions company. Along the way, the company has made some serious cuts to their labor pool as part of the jettison of Nokia as the company further adjusts the mobile part of their strategy. Today, via ZDNet, we have a story from Finland about some additional cuts.

Specifically, it appears that a few dozen employees were cut, a good portion being made up of marketing staff, and involving Microsoft mobile subsidiary Microsoft Mobile Oy. According to Microsoft, these cuts are not a part of the much more significant 7,800 that were cut directly related to the Nokia.

The job reductions were spread across more than one business area and country and reflect adaptations to business needs. We go through this process in the most thoughtful manner possible, with the deepest respect for affected individuals,” said the spokesperson when I asked about today’s layoff reports.

Clearly, Microsoft’s realignment in mobile and elsewhere are causing serious ripples, both in the market and among the Windows phone faithful. As always, we’ll continue keeping our eyes on these and other developments as Microsoft pushes forward with whatever its smartphone strategy might be."


So, cutting most of the Windows Phone marketing and sales people falls in line with MS perhaps leaving Windows phone completely within the next calendar year.

Remember, MS makes money on cloud services and loses money on PC and Phone.  Especially phone -- big BIG losses for the last 3 years running.

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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #122 - 04/18/16 at 13:24:32
 

http://liliputing.com/2016/04/pipo-packs-desktop-pc-folding-keyboard.html

Pipo packs a desktop PC into a folding keyboard



At first glance, the KB2 looks like a portable Bluetooth keyboard that you can fold up and slide into your bag when it’s not in use… but it’s a little thick for a portable keyboard.

That’s because behind the keys you’ll find an Intel Atom x5-Z8300 Cherry Trail processor, up to 4GB of RAM, up to 64GB of storage, an 802.11ac WiFi module, Bluetooth, and everything else you need to run Windows 10.
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Reply #123 - 04/19/16 at 15:03:08
 

http://liliputing.com/2016/04/intel-restructuring-means-12000-job-cuts-11-per...

Intel restructuring means 12,000 job cuts (11 percent of its employees)



"Chip maker Intel has announced a restructuring plan that will reduce the company’s workforce by 12,000 people and save the company about $750 million per year. But Intel says the goal isn’t just to save money, but also to shift its priorities and focus more on growth areas including data centers and Internet of Things businesses.

The job cuts are expected to take place by mid-2017, and will consist of “a combination of voluntary and involuntary departures.”

Intel is probably best known for making the processors that power personal computers including desktop, notebook, and many tablet and 2-in-1 devices. But the traditional PC market has been stagnant in recent years, and Intel has struggled to break into the smartphone space.

So it’s not surprising to see the company focus on areas where it can see growth. But don’t expect Intel to pull out of the PC space anytime soon. It’s still the dominant player in personal computers and while the company has had to change its timeline for adopting next-gen chip architecture, Intel still has a number of new processors in the pipeline for everything from high-performance gaming machines to low-power, fanless computers."


My take is that Intel already has designs for everything 14nm they can possibly improve or tune or reconfigure at that "Apollo Lake" 14nm lithography level already in the can.

Firing all the old crew of people right about now won't affect anything, as Intel can execute the canned designs over the next two years using a much smaller people force.  

Then they can have enough money to float the new 7nm non-silicon production lines.

Might be able to hold some costs down that way, too .....  (management thinking, you know)

The new stuff (7nm non-silicon) will be A COMPLETELY NEW KETTLE OF FISH and the old "long experienced -- silicon skilled -- high salary crew would be of no use at all once they finally invented their own 7nm non-silicon process and then actually get into actually doing it.

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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #124 - 04/21/16 at 07:45:33
 

http://www.networkworld.com/article/3058774/techology-business/intel-axes-120...




Network World says:  Intel axes 12,000 jobs as it looks to break away from PCs

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"The slowdown in PC shipments has hurt Intel's chip business. Worldwide PC shipments totaled 60.6 million units in this year's first quarter, declining by 11.6 percent compared to the same quarter a year ago, IDC said this month.

Intel is also floundering in its efforts to break into the mobile device market despite an aggressive approach. Its Atom chips are in a handful of smartphones, but the company is doing better in a fast-declining tablet market.

Servers are Intel most profitable unit but are also under growing threat from rival chip makers. Working with Rackspace, Google, one of the largest server buyers in the world, is designing a server based on IBM's Power 9 architecture and is also reportedly backing an ARM server chip from Qualcomm. Google's moves threaten Intel's dominance.

"Krzanich is also shaking up the management to shape the company in his vision. He recently appointed a new second in command in former Qualcomm executive, Venkata Renduchintala, who will lead the PC, Internet of Things and software business as president of the client and IoT businesses and Systems Architecture Group.

Renduchintala's appointment squeezed out former PC business chief, Kirk Skaugen, who is leaving the company. The mobile chief Aicha Evans has already left the company, and IoT chief Doug Davis is retiring.

The layoffs were announced on the same day Intel announced its first-quarter results. Intel reported a profit of $2 billion for the first quarter of 2016, growing by 3 percent compared to the same quarter a year ago.
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #125 - 04/21/16 at 08:11:16
 

So, both halves of the Wintel alliance are saying PC is something they need to grow away from just as quickly as they possibly can, as PC is nobody's future growth-wise any more, ever again.
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #126 - 04/21/16 at 12:25:31
 

Meanwhile, back at the farm, Grandma was beating off the Indians .....

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http://liliputing.com/2016/04/superbook-is-a-99-laptop-shell-for-android-smar...

Superbook is a $99 laptop shell for Android smartphones



This idea isn’t entirely new: Motorola offered a line of “lapdocks” for its discontinued Atrix line of smartphones years ago. In addition to letting you use your phone with a keyboard and external display, they actually supported a separate, more desktop-friendly user interface fro running full desktop apps like Firefox. But people have been buying old Lapdocks on eBay for years, and using them as laptop shells for small computers like a Raspberry Pi.

But the Lapdock may have been ahead of its time. Now that we’re seeing the beginnings of official support for multi-window mode in Android, not to mention third-party versions of the operating system such as Remix OS and Phoenix OS with multi-window support, maybe the time has really come.

The dock has a 1366 x 768 pixel display.

It has a battery that lasts for 8 hours.

There’s an SDK for Android app developers that want to create apps that play well in a desktop-style view.

Phone requirements are Android 5.0 or later, 1GB of RAM, and a USB output (Type-C or micro USB, with display data being mirrored to the laptop shell over USB).

The Superbook is said to work best on phones with more than 1GB of RAM and phones with 64-bit processors.
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #127 - 04/21/16 at 17:35:06
 

http://liliputing.com/2016/04/acers-skylake-powered-chromebook-14-for-work-ha...

Acer’s Skylake-powered Chromebook 14 for Work has a glass lid, semi-rugged design



"Acer’s Chromebook 14 for Work is a 3.5 pound laptop with support for up to a Core i5 Skylake processor, up to a 1920 x 1080 pixel display, and up to 8GB of RAM, making it one of the more powerful Chromebook options on the market.

But what really sets this Chrome OS laptop apart is the design: it has a Corning Gorilla Glass lid, which protects the top of the computer, but allows corporate customers to emblazon their logos or other designs beneath the glass and have it shine through.

And the laptop is MIL-STD 810G tested for durability. Acer say the Chromebook 14 for work should be available in May for around $349 and up."


Chromebooks for Work -- drones can do their punchwork on a secured company wireless network system just as easily as they can on much more expensive Windows 7 or Windows 10 machines.

And in doing so they are much safer from bugs and data theft -- and the yearly cost is about 1/5 compared to paying for Mickeysoft's whole herd of money grazing products.
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #128 - 04/22/16 at 02:43:39
 

http://www.engadget.com/2016/04/21/microsoft-q1-2016/

Microsoft's phone business is in free fall



To no one's surprise, Microsoft isn't turning much of a profit from its phone business. According to its latest quarterly report, the company saw a dip of mobile revenue by as much as 46 percent. It sold 2.3 million Lumias over the past three months, which is a 73 percent drop from this time last year. Sadly, this is an ongoing trend; last quarter, it reported a phone sales drop by as much as 54 percent.

OK, so we know Windows phone is a money dumping rat hole and MS intends to fill that rat hole in with concrete just as soon as they can.

But how is the rest of MS doing?

Still, the company is making money. Revenue was $20.5 billion while net profit was $3.8 billion. Microsoft also saw growth from its Surface segment, which grew by $1.1 billion over the past three months. That's up 61 percent year-over-year. The company credited the surge in Surface sales to the Surface Pro 4 and the Surface Book, but there's no word in its report exactly how many of those tablet computers it sold. Windows OEM revenue dipped by only 2 percent, which outperforms the PC market.

Microsoft is also seeing some gains in its non-Windows related businesses, like Office, Azure and other cloud-based endeavors. Office revenue went up by 7 percent in the commercial sector and 6 percent in the consumer sector, thanks in part to growth in Office 365 adoption. Indeed, Office 365 itself experienced a huge growth, with a jump of 22.2 million consumer subscribers. Azure revenue grew by a whopping 120 percent.




So, MS is making money on certain items and is losing money on PC, PC Windows and Phone.   Guess what items get cut on later on this year ......

Intel for example is moving quickly to put all their limited funds behind the known things that will make them money going forward.  Microsoft needs to get tough with themselves and do likewise.
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Reply #129 - 04/23/16 at 09:40:01
 

https://rcpmag.com/articles/2016/04/20/intel-pivots-away-from-pcs.aspx



The PC market is dying but Intel may have found a way to survive

"Overall, we're seeing a weak PC client business being offset by strong growth in the data center, memory, and IoT businesses," Intel's CFO Stacy Smith said during earnings call. "We're much less dependent on the PC segment that we've historically been."


Intel Cuts 12K Jobs as It Pivots Away from PC Business

"Intel appears to have decided that it can't wait any longer for a hoped-for revitalization of traditional PC markets," said Pund-IT Principal Analyst Charles King in a blog post. "That doesn't mean that PCs are dead by any means. There will likely be occasional upward spikes in sales related to new features, vendor innovations and businesses upgrading their office environments, but the salad days of the industry, when people camped out overnight to buy new PCs, are receding into the past."

King also noted that Intel is focusing on what has evolved into its core strengths and where consumer and enterprise IT is headed.




http://www.pcworld.com/article/2025926/intel-exits-the-desktop-motherboard-bu...



Intel completely exits the desktop motherboard business

Intel's move responds to market pressures from two directions. On one side, the world simply doesn't need as many desktop motherboards as it has in the past. Demand is shifting to laptops and tablets, so Intel is responding to changing times. On the other side, companies like Asus, Gigabyte and Asrock are meeting existing demand with a wide variety of motherboard products with innovative features.

Even worse, the feature sets offered by Intel motherboards often haven't kept pace with the offerings from Asian companies, begging the question, Why even buy an Intel board in the first place?



Moral of this story is:   NO MORE "EXCESS MONEY" TO BE POURED DOWN THE PC RAT-HOLE !!!!
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Reply #130 - 04/23/16 at 16:08:23
 

http://liliputing.com/2016/04/superbook-is-a-99-laptop-shell-for-android-smar...





Take a deep breath ..... exhale ......

You already have an Android or Apple phone.    The current crop of Android phones that will be eventually upgraded to M and N are going to be suitable for running a larger screen through their USB type C connector and a USB C hub device.   Apple will wind up doing something similar eventually.  The software to do this will be either a simple buy it on the PlayStore app (for the older phones) or else just part of your N Android OS itself.  
No fuss, no bother .....

Will you keep your old PC running?    Yes, but you may think other thoughts when time comes for it to die (or for it to be quietly killed by MickySoft).

Remember, younger people are now starting to PREFER Linux (Ubuntu/Debian especially) which is totally no cost free FOSS software which can make your old PC live again after MickySoft kills it.  

The "constantly changing" walled garden that MickySoft has built for themselves to "own" and run for you simply isn't pleasing to a lot of us old PC users .....   so branch out a bit and try Linux Mint or Ubuntu to see how it fits for you.
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Reply #131 - 04/24/16 at 15:24:29
 

http://liliputing.com/2016/04/more-remix-os-laptops-on-the-way.html

..... and EXHALE yet again .....

Here comes Allwinner putting out Android Windowing Laptops.   Rockchip last week, Allwinner this week.



These laptops have entry-level specs, low price tags, and a custom version of Android that adds desktop-style features like a taskbar, desktop, and support for running most Android apps in resizable windows.

Remix OS laptops

Charbax looked at three different models:

An 11.6 inch notebook

A 14.1 inch notebook

An 11.6 inch convertible with a touchscreen display and a 360 degree hinge


He notes that prices could be as low as $79 for some models… but only if you place a large order for hundreds or thousands of units with barebones specs (like 1GB of RAM and 8GB of storage). Actual prices here in America for individual laptops are likely to be a bit closer to what you’d pay for an entry-level Chromebook (I’d guess somewhere between $120 and $200).

Allwinner is showing designs featuring its Allwinner A64 quad-core, 64-bit processor and its octa-core Allwinner A83T 32-bit chip. Each of the prototypes has a 1366 x 768 pixel display and it doesn’t seem like there are any models with more than 2GB of RAM or 32GB of storage at this time, although both will likely come out later in upscale models.


So, both Allwinner and Rockchip are both showing ARM chipset powered Windowing laptops that run Remix OS or Phoenix OS (about the same thing, really).

"Android 7" is being quoted now on one of the Allwinner samples, so you can see how fast Google is sorting out and integrating these tricks into Android N and above.



https://youtu.be/KbU-syi-Bwo      Click on it ---- it is a video.    Watch how quick the sucker runs, though -- FAST.

Mediatek, you are next --- your competitors are out now with real units and Wintel has just called it quits on chasing the low end market completely as now even they say they have a "technology gap" and that they are completely non-competitive and non-profitable in low end laptops now-a-days.    

Duh, no shite Shirlock.   $79 for a real laptop, screen touchpad and keyboard.   Amazon and Walmart will each pick them a "private" vendor and pump the cheap little suckers out by the millions just like they did with their private label Chromebooks last Christmas season.

For those that watch the video, you get to see Charbax make a monkey's arse out of himself fumbling and screwing up repeatedly because he does not know how to work the controls of the touch screen laptop.   It's funny to watch, but is typical of Charbax .....   Brad Linder is much better on actually making the different products all work correctly and showing them well.    He also is brutally honest about any lacks he sees, and Charbax is too stupid and hurried to notice the lacks as he never gets that deep into the units.

Google I/O is in a couple of weeks and Brad Linder will do his test units after that -- he insists that he gets his production level units at his place for at least a week or three to do a any form of video review which is why his reviews are so much better for both content and quality (as well as showing the teardown for user upgrades, etc.)

Anyhoo ----- Windowing Android Laptops are real now and will be here by Christmas time, along with a proper Google OS to support them and LOTS OF LITTLE GUY VENDORS making lots of neat stuff for it.

All the good little guy stuff that the Windows world has just lost, Android is picking it up and running with it.

Cost sounds great, so now we need the higher end traditional windows type apps ported over to the Windowing Android OS systems.   Microsoft Office is already there, as is Adobe.

Rest easy, the Chinese are already doing all of their softwares -- this is "their favorite OS" after all and it already runs all their favorite native language apps jest fine, thank you.
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Reply #132 - 04/24/16 at 16:06:05
 

Some Sunday afternoon thoughts on Windows 10 bloat vs Chrome and vs Android.

Windows 10 is getting way past porky slow at this stage, as it has now got a full Ubuntu Linux tucked away in its bowels as well as Edge and Explorer 10 and all the layers of new stuff that have been slammed onto porky pig's carcass since then.  The pig is so bloated now it can pop your internet data cap just upgrading all the layers of fat every night while you are sleeping .......

Android is picking up some small love handles compared to its past as it is starting to have a bios and all that goes with a major OS system that has to run on both old and new hardware.   It isn't slow, but it isn't as fast as it used to be.

Chrome is the real speed demon -- it has NOTHING that it doesn't need as each Chrome instance is built specifically for the FIXED HARDWARE that it was built to support.   No fat, by design.   Ever.   Never gets any slower, it always runs as just fast as it did brand new.

The updating and security ideas behind Chrome are still state of the art, which is one reason the Chrome loving folks don't want Google messing about with it.   Both Education and Business want Chrome left alone, as they like and want what Chrome has as it make perfect sense for classrooms and business drones to use across the board.

Chrome is what I would try to give my wife after we retire -- she lives in her browser all the time anyway.   If I let her pick she would go Android, as she understands her phone already pretty well and the learning is minimal for her.   Seems familiar, if you get my drift.   She may be a candidate for a phone docking station and big screen and keyboard to plug her phone into ......  as her current phone is more powerful than the Allwinner chipsets already discussed.

She is past sick and tired to death with MS .....   her school stuff sucks out loud big time at least 2-3 times a month now, and they are getting the 'upgrade to Win 10' popup stuff now too.  

She, like many of you, is tired of getting screwed around with by MS.


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Reply #133 - 04/25/16 at 08:41:15
 
waiting patiently for the android docking setup for my phone , since the chromebook I tried could ONLY be set up through wifi
not everyone has wifi
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Reply #134 - 04/25/16 at 10:54:28
 

Art, wifi means you connect your carrier cable to a router.   These can be bought for $40 from Walmart.   They all have wifi and 4 ports built in.

Locking yourself away from wifi is silly -- all the new tech is running on wifi now, not cables.

Soon enough, your choices will be wifi or cell towers for most computing choices.  

Cat5 cable will not even be a supported option unless you are getting a desktop rig.  

The USB type C connector is replacing the old Cat5 connector and several of the older USB ports.   They expect you to have wifi, in other words .....
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