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Reply #30 - 07/26/15 at 09:53:24
 
In order to use a bomb,.. you have to build one...
That takes a little more forethought,... and requires some unusual, and traceable,  purchases.

Not so easy a trigger pull...
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Reply #31 - 07/26/15 at 09:54:36
 
"You can kill even more, more easily, with a bomb, you know, like terrorists used to do in the UK?"

Ummm, no, you can't.

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Reply #32 - 07/26/15 at 10:20:10
 
Serowbot wrote on 07/26/15 at 09:53:24:
In order to use a bomb,.. you have to build one...
That takes a little more forethought,... and requires some unusual, and traceable,  purchases.

Not so easy a trigger pull...

Not really that hard, nor all that traceable
There are fairly simple home brew explosives

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Reply #33 - 07/26/15 at 10:22:45
 
But still harder than gently squeezing one finger for half a second?
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Reply #34 - 07/26/15 at 10:27:07
 
true, it is easier to kill a few with a gun
killing a bunch? bomb
and I'm probably on a terror watch list now  Grin
But the truth remains, less guns does not equal more safety

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Reply #35 - 07/26/15 at 10:54:23
 
'course you are... Yer' from Texas... Grin...
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Reply #36 - 07/26/15 at 10:57:05
 
Art Webb wrote on 07/26/15 at 10:27:07:
But the truth remains, less guns does not equal more safety

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unless you live in Manchester  Grin

The truth remains, less guns equals less chance of being shot dead, and 'avoidance of being shot' must mean more safety?
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Reply #37 - 07/26/15 at 11:10:55
 
HovisPresley wrote on 07/26/15 at 10:57:05:
Art Webb wrote on 07/26/15 at 10:27:07:
But the truth remains, less guns does not equal more safety

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unless you live in Manchester  Grin

The truth remains, less guns equals less chance of being shot dead, and 'avoidance of being shot' must mean more safety?

No, avoidance of violence = more safety
Killed is killed, doesn't matter what tool is used

I face a much greater chance, statistically, of dying in a traffic accident or by medical malpractice than by 'gun violence'
Better ban those scarey cars and doctors  Grin
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Reply #38 - 07/26/15 at 11:23:07
 
I'd ban doctors if their only function is to kill, maim, or even to look 'macho'  Grin
Look what damage cars do......

"Killed is killed, doesn't matter what tool is used" but some tools make it easier to kill..... hence the guns's invention.

So do we want a society that kills efficiently?
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Reply #39 - 07/26/15 at 12:01:30
 
The real bottom line is... people in America just like guns.
Statistically,... they don't make you safer, and deep down, we all know it's a problem... but we just like the guns too much.
All the shootings are a price we're willing to pay...

I like guns... they are beautiful, precise, and fun... and I own several.
I've just reached a limit in the cost to society.
I'm ready to see some limitations...

We'd all be better off without them.
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Reply #40 - 07/26/15 at 12:17:16
 
Self protection is a natural right. Been that way since the beginning of time.
People aren't equal in attitude and physical ability. And,if you're really curious about the American way, take note of the Constitution, the Law of the Land, written by men who had been under tyranny and decided to create a unique nation, one which makes the People the Sovereign.
Washington turned down an offer to be made King. The Second amendment is not about hunting or sports or even defense from a thug, since all of that is just common sense.
The Declaration of Independence, all the early stuff, good to understand.
Biblical principles and the Magna Carta and the experiences of some really smart guys gave us the guaranteed Liberties we, unlike any other nation I know of.
The Federalist papers, anti federalist papers, dudes, they didn't go in
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and create this. I'm not gonna say that they nailed it, but they sure got close. The problems we have are largely because of failing to follow it and the other, general advice given us.
The
Trade with others, avoid entanglements
stuff seems to have been ignored.
The unwillingness to admit that where many people, not just the bad guys, have weapons,  crime is lower, is just shocking.
Do we not remember the events in our own lives?
Who doesn't remember car jacking? Wasn't a big deal in Texas , but Louisiana was a lot different. Finally, the governor told the people,
Okay, someone jerk the door open, shoot him.
Car jacking Died, after a few thugs got gutshot.
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Reply #41 - 07/26/15 at 21:22:55
 
Interesting, while death by guns are vastly different, the mortality rate is about the same for the US and UK.

wikipedia
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Reply #42 - 07/27/15 at 05:54:08
 
verslagen1 wrote on 07/26/15 at 21:22:55:
Interesting, while death by guns are vastly different, the mortality rate is about the same for the US and UK.

wikipedia

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So people in the US and the UK die at roughly the same age?

Surely this refers largely to cancer, heart-attacks, obesity, etc.
The Wiki link doesn't mention cause of death.

If the link referred to death by shootings and the results were basically the same, then it could be said that;

The UK population can't 'defend' themselves with guns.
The US population can 'defend' themselves with guns.

But (if) the results are largely the same.... guns don't really make a difference when it comes to 'protecting' one's own life?

Now, deaths by intentional homicide...
US 111th in the world table
UK 190th in the world table


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Reply #43 - 07/27/15 at 06:12:05
 
Since I saw Chicago mentioned...

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Reports of burglary and motor vehicle theft are down 20 percent and 26 percent, respectively. In the first quarter, the city’s homicide rate was at a 56-year low.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/24/chicago-crime-rate-drops-as-c...

I've cited, numerous times, Kennesaw, GA. A small town outside Atlanta where every citizen is required to own a firearm. Murder free going on 25 years now.

England and Wales:



... but it is important to note that drop could be the result of an increased police presence...



Ireland and Jamaica:



Chicago:


See that sharp drop off, right about 2014 where it oddly matches up with when they allowed pistol permits? Weird.

Meanwhile, DC rises:



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Reply #44 - 07/27/15 at 06:23:12
 
"See that sharp drop off, right about 2014 where it oddly matches up with when they allowed pistol permits? Weird."
"Facts are difficult to swallow when they directly contradict your way of thinking."

What sharp drop off c.2014?

None of those graphs go up to 2014, or am I missing something?
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