https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE

Try some statistics. We were 111th in murder rates, yet, finally, somewhere, America really IS number One, in gun ownership. And not by just a little.. Awww, no lefty has the guts to watch it..
I'm Thrilled that the places where gun control is a big deal is also, surprisingly, where the murder rates are high..
Yeah, this is a report on 2012, I expect crime in general to go up, because people are getting desperate, due to the economy.
I'm not gonna lay that at Obama's feet, not because he has helped any, he is doing what those before did, making it worse, but post NAFTA, America has been heading down. And it ain't over, not by a long shot. Wait till the TPP and Bamicare real costs hit.
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Come on, you can level with me.

Yeah, slanted. I agree. Looks to me like he got statistics and made a point.
So, rather than slam it, maybe explain why it's wrong.

The comparison works,because it shows that people can own guns and there be low crime. Chicago highlights the failure. Look at what's been the directing force in Chicago. Look at Plano. Different in every way.
But the cry of
If they have guns they will kill each other
is shown to be false.

That we are better than 110 nations ? How can that be dismissed?
Now, IIRC, a U.S. territory was number three, can't remember the name, Virgin islands ,maybe?
And I wish he went on with the list, I did see a UK territory above, below, I guess, us.
Point is, where gun control is highest, so is murder.
And, where guns are running out the windows, like Plano, very low crime.
And the
Bloodbath
That was foretold, should gun laws be relaxed,where is it?
The gunfight for a parking space,
He cut in line!
The left has consistently been wrong about guns.
Better to change attitudes toward the guns and saddle up with reality.
I know you have guns, so, what's the deal? You know you, and you trust you?

pg wrote on 07/24/15 at 23:17:26:


excellent point pga. We dont have a gun controll problem, we have a people problem.

I think there's something like 44,000 zip codes in the USA. I wonder if I removed the murders and gun crimes statistics from just 10 of those, where would we be? I know in St. Louis if you remove 1 zip code, our crimes plummet down. Give me 2 zips in Chicago, couple in Detroit, Baltimore, etc....I think you get the point.

Okay,let's address some things. That includes cops shooting people and gangs, killing each other. And, the point that the left has made, obviously invalid. When gun laws are relaxed, crime drops.
How many of the murder rates we beat have no guns?
All moot point to me, because the structure of America is based in individual sovereignty, unlike any other..

" ... It compares gun-ownership with murder rates...."

  It Says it Does.    IT is,  SUPPOSE to,

It is WHAT, Blows the Ultra-Liberal,
(Pun intended), argument of:
“No Guns - No Crime”, out of the water.

In many Countries, their are a Whole Lot Less, ‘crimes’, committed with firearms,
SIMPLY, because there are Less Firearms.
But What about ‘CRIME”, committed with a;
club, bat, screwdriver, mallet, poison, Etc.Etc.Etc.
Even, Hands & Fists.

Take a 125 lb female, and a 250 lb man intent on Killing her, after Raping her.
Ray Charles, could have seen who will win that one.
Taking away her RIGHT, to defend herself, will Stop, that crime ?????

Less Guns do NOT = Less Crime.
Less Guns ONLY = Less crime ‘with guns'.

Just as their are ‘x’ amount of Auto Crashes,
and ‘x’ amount of Horse & Carriage crashes.
Take away Autos,
and now the people that used to use Autos, use H&C.  
Those numbers Change, Drastically!

In Fact, FACT.   More firearms in the hands of honest Citizens,
has, REDUCED, the ‘Crime’, rate.
Everywhere, Every-time.
Each State that has passed a, ‘CCW’ Law, the crime rate has gone  DOWN, Each One !

And every place where Guns are, ‘banned’ the crime rate is UP !
What part of, “Less Guns = Higher Crime”, is not clear here?

Do you think, it may be the, ‘people’. ?????

Quote:

“ … compare Houston or Chicago,… to a similar city, in a country where access to guns isn’t just a short bus ride to the city limits. …”

Forgot, one thing.
In, ‘that’, place, the, Honest person, can not have a firearm.

If, upstanding Citizens were Allowed to have a firearm.
Their would NOT, be a stream of people going somewhere else to get them.

Because, they would now know, (or learn),
That they, the criminals, are, NOT, the only ones with Firearms.