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Title: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/24/15 at 16:30:32 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE Try some statistics. We were 111th in murder rates, yet, finally, somewhere, America really IS number One, in gun ownership. And not by just a little.. Awww, no lefty has the guts to watch it.. I'm Thrilled that the places where gun control is a big deal is also, surprisingly, where the murder rates are high.. Yeah, this is a report on 2012, I expect crime in general to go up, because people are getting desperate, due to the economy. I'm not gonna lay that at Obama's feet, not because he has helped any, he is doing what those before did, making it worse, but post NAFTA, America has been heading down. And it ain't over, not by a long shot. Wait till the TPP and Bamicare real costs hit. _________________ |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Serowbot on 07/24/15 at 17:46:45 213E383F22251424142C3E32794B0 wrote:
So slanted I fell over watching it... ::)... |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/24/15 at 18:23:35 Come on, you can level with me. |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Serowbot on 07/24/15 at 18:31:04 "Help!... I've fallen, and I can't get up"... :-?... |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/24/15 at 18:57:45 Yeah, slanted. I agree. Looks to me like he got statistics and made a point. So, rather than slam it, maybe explain why it's wrong. |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Serowbot on 07/24/15 at 19:34:18 Have to be quick,... goin' out shortly. A. The 100 or so countries with higher murder rates are mostly 3rd world, unstable, and many in civil war None, you would ever want to live in.... "Yea! we're better than Chad, Afghanistan, Palestine, N. Korea, and Uganda"... B. Plano, Texas is a fairly affluent suburb of Dallas,... comparing it to Detroit or Chicago is ridiculous. When comparing,.. it should be as like with like, other than the variable. |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/24/15 at 20:28:10 The comparison works,because it shows that people can own guns and there be low crime. Chicago highlights the failure. Look at what's been the directing force in Chicago. Look at Plano. Different in every way. But the cry of If they have guns they will kill each other is shown to be false. That we are better than 110 nations ? How can that be dismissed? Now, IIRC, a U.S. territory was number three, can't remember the name, Virgin islands ,maybe? And I wish he went on with the list, I did see a UK territory above, below, I guess, us. Point is, where gun control is highest, so is murder. And, where guns are running out the windows, like Plano, very low crime. And the Bloodbath That was foretold, should gun laws be relaxed,where is it? The gunfight for a parking space, He cut in line! The left has consistently been wrong about guns. Better to change attitudes toward the guns and saddle up with reality. I know you have guns, so, what's the deal? You know you, and you trust you? |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by pgambr on 07/24/15 at 23:17:26 Pretty interesting, look at these statistics between: Chicago vs: Houston Similar size and demographics No guns vs: guns & concealed carry 506 vs: 207 murders (2012) http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/index.php/2013/03/06/a-tale-of-two-cities-chicago-vs-houston/ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by WebsterMark on 07/25/15 at 04:57:09 352224282737450 wrote:
excellent point pga. We dont have a gun controll problem, we have a people problem. I think there's something like 44,000 zip codes in the USA. I wonder if I removed the murders and gun crimes statistics from just 10 of those, where would we be? I know in St. Louis if you remove 1 zip code, our crimes plummet down. Give me 2 zips in Chicago, couple in Detroit, Baltimore, etc....I think you get the point. |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by HovisPresley on 07/25/15 at 05:48:17 I have to agree with Serow, that video was so biased. It compares gun-ownership with murder rates. Obviously, as murders happened before the invention of guns, there clearly are murders that don't involve guns. So, in order to be more accurate, let's compare gun-ownership to firearms-related deaths. According to Wiki, the USA has the 13th highest rate of firearms-related deaths. Bit different ::) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/25/15 at 05:55:32 Okay,let's address some things. That includes cops shooting people and gangs, killing each other. And, the point that the left has made, obviously invalid. When gun laws are relaxed, crime drops. How many of the murder rates we beat have no guns? All moot point to me, because the structure of America is based in individual sovereignty, unlike any other.. |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by HovisPresley on 07/25/15 at 08:10:06 6A757374696E5F6F5F67757932000 wrote:
So, USA is 13th, and UK is 60th? Believe me, there're strict gun laws here... |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by MnSpring on 07/25/15 at 09:19:24 " ... It compares gun-ownership with murder rates...." It Says it Does. IT is, SUPPOSE to, It is WHAT, Blows the Ultra-Liberal, (Pun intended), argument of: “No Guns - No Crime”, out of the water. In many Countries, their are a Whole Lot Less, ‘crimes’, committed with firearms, SIMPLY, because there are Less Firearms. But What about ‘CRIME”, committed with a; club, bat, screwdriver, mallet, poison, Etc.Etc.Etc. Even, Hands & Fists. Take a 125 lb female, and a 250 lb man intent on Killing her, after Raping her. Ray Charles, could have seen who will win that one. Taking away her RIGHT, to defend herself, will Stop, that crime ????? Less Guns do NOT = Less Crime. Less Guns ONLY = Less crime ‘with guns'. Just as their are ‘x’ amount of Auto Crashes, and ‘x’ amount of Horse & Carriage crashes. Take away Autos, and now the people that used to use Autos, use H&C. Those numbers Change, Drastically! In Fact, FACT. More firearms in the hands of honest Citizens, has, REDUCED, the ‘Crime’, rate. Everywhere, Every-time. Each State that has passed a, ‘CCW’ Law, the crime rate has gone DOWN, Each One ! And every place where Guns are, ‘banned’ the crime rate is UP ! What part of, “Less Guns = Higher Crime”, is not clear here? Do you think, it may be the, ‘people’. ????? |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Serowbot on 07/25/15 at 09:21:39 Chicago does have strict gun laws,... but,... Quote:
Now,... compare Houston or Chicago,... to a similar city, in a country where access to guns isn't just a short bus ride to the city limits. Manchester, UK,...Pop 2.5m... murders ...50... Houston, US,... Pop 2.1m....murders... 207... 551 total murders in the UK... pop 65m... 16.000 total US. Jeepers... :-?... |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by MnSpring on 07/25/15 at 09:56:30 Quote:
Forgot, one thing. In, ‘that’, place, the, Honest person, can not have a firearm. If, upstanding Citizens were Allowed to have a firearm. Their would NOT, be a stream of people going somewhere else to get them. Because, they would now know, (or learn), That they, the criminals, are, NOT, the only ones with Firearms. |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Serowbot on 07/25/15 at 10:15:18 It's the circle of life (aka, fear)... :-?... I need a gun, because the bad guys have guns. and I need a bigger gun and more bullets, because the bad guys have bigger guns and more bullets. ...and SUV's... I need big car because everybody else drives big cars, and a little car isn't safe against them... ...and I need a bigger one now,.. because everybody went and bought a bigger one to be safe... ..and now, we're all totin' UZI's driving 6,000lb cars to get kiddies to day care... Have we invented the bulletproof child car seat yet?... It'll be next big thing.... ;D... |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by HovisPresley on 07/25/15 at 10:53:08 ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTXqHZiDcR0 ;D |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by MnSpring on 07/25/15 at 10:53:35 To Paraphrase: ‘ Bigger & Better’. Yea, that’s where we are now. Tomorrow, can it change? Sure, when the, 'other people’, LEARN, that they are, NOT, ‘More Equal’. Are, NOT, Taught and Told, they are, ‘More Equal’. Do, NOT depend on, ‘hand-outs’. AND, LEARN, how to live in a Society, with respect for others. Etc, Etc, Etc., It would be nice, NOT, to have that, ‘bigger/better, attitude. But, Today, one must! The answer is NOT, taking ‘Away’, The answer is, ‘Education’. And until, ‘other People’, who do NOT, know, how to live in a Society, with respect for others. ‘Bigger Better’, is the only solution. I enjoy, making holes in a piece of paper, and seeing how close together I can get those holes. Just like some other people enjoy, hitting a ball of tightly bound, rubber bands, and counting how many times they have to hit it, before it falls into a hole in the ground. I would greatly prefer, to spend money on firearms, that accomplish that goal, better. Than spend more money, on small, lightweight, not very accurate ones. And tomorrow, mayday I could do that. But NOT, today! |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/25/15 at 12:41:30 I'd need a weapon of some sort to defend against a pissed off junior high kid. Self defense is a natural right. And, once again, in futility, I point to the Constitution, that doesn't Grant , but Guarantees, Freedoms. |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Art Webb on 07/26/15 at 09:21:07 6274637E66737E65110 wrote:
What did you say earlier about comparing apples to apples? There are so many societal variable between the UK and the US that this is a pointless comparison |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Art Webb on 07/26/15 at 09:22:40 11362F302A092B3C2A353C20590 wrote:
Same old straw man argument Let's focus on the tool, not the actual problem Murder is murder, the tool is unimportant |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Art Webb on 07/26/15 at 09:27:18 Another point in the last ten years, firearms laws have been getting gradually more, relaxed In those same 10 years, in the places where that rel;axation has occurred, crime rates, and especially violent crime rates, have been dropping Strong correlation |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by HovisPresley on 07/26/15 at 09:29:05 They both look like apples to me ;) What difference in society is there between the two, that would make the comparison pointless? With Manchester having 5 times less murders, I'm interested in knowing that difference. |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/26/15 at 09:29:42 Makes as much sense as taking guns from a potentially suicidal person. Hose, tailpipe, rope,limb, drugs, Motivated people are able to accomplish things.. Murder is murder. |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Serowbot on 07/26/15 at 09:37:21 Sure,.. why not give them a couple dozen hand grenades... ::)... |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by HovisPresley on 07/26/15 at 09:39:16 293A3C3F2D2A2A480 wrote:
Same old straw man argument Let's focus on the tool, not the actual problem Murder is murder, the tool is unimportant[/quote] In terms of tools, you can kill people with a slight squeeze of one finger using a gun. It's a lot harder to kill yourself, others, class-mates, etc, with a pointy stick. If the British army had wooden spears and the Zulus had machine guns..... I'm not saying that 'writing' would stop if we banned pen ownership, but it would make it a lot harder..... Hmmm, making it harder for people to kill people, sounds like the right thing to do..... Would Jesus have carried a gun? |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/26/15 at 09:40:28 I'm okay with that.. I'd LOVE strap one to a tree,, |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Art Webb on 07/26/15 at 09:44:16 7F58415E44674552445B524E370 wrote:
UK society is a different demographic from American, less prone in modern times to settling disputes with violence on the whole In fact the UK never had a 'gun murder' problem, they had isolated incidents |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Serowbot on 07/26/15 at 09:48:38 Maybe that's because they don't have ready access to guns... |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Art Webb on 07/26/15 at 09:50:01 14332A352F0C2E392F3039255C0 wrote:
Same old straw man argument Let's focus on the tool, not the actual problem Murder is murder, the tool is unimportant[/quote] In terms of tools, you can kill people with a slight squeeze of one finger using a gun. It's a lot harder to kill yourself, others, class-mates, etc, with a pointy stick. If the British army had wooden spears and the Zulus had machine guns..... I'm not saying that 'writing' would stop if we banned pen ownership, but it would make it a lot harder..... Hmmm, making it harder for people to kill people, sounds like the right thing to do..... Would Jesus have carried a gun? [/quote] You can kill even more, more easily, with a bomb, you know, like terrorists used to do in the UK? reducing gun murders doesn't reduce murders, so it doesn't make you any safer, and if it doesn't make you safer, why would you do it? it's nothing but feel good legislation against those 'evil guns' Jesus Disciples were armed, so, yeah, probably so |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Serowbot on 07/26/15 at 09:53:24 In order to use a bomb,.. you have to build one... That takes a little more forethought,... and requires some unusual, and traceable, purchases. Not so easy a trigger pull... |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by HovisPresley on 07/26/15 at 09:54:36 "You can kill even more, more easily, with a bomb, you know, like terrorists used to do in the UK?" Ummm, no, you can't. +1 Serow ;D |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Art Webb on 07/26/15 at 10:20:10 2E382F322A3F32295D0 wrote:
Not really that hard, nor all that traceable There are fairly simple home brew explosives |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by HovisPresley on 07/26/15 at 10:22:45 But still harder than gently squeezing one finger for half a second? |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Art Webb on 07/26/15 at 10:27:07 true, it is easier to kill a few with a gun killing a bunch? bomb and I'm probably on a terror watch list now ;D But the truth remains, less guns does not equal more safety |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Serowbot on 07/26/15 at 10:54:23 'course you are... Yer' from Texas... ;D... |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by HovisPresley on 07/26/15 at 10:57:05 26353330222525470 wrote:
.............................................................. unless you live in Manchester ;D The truth remains, less guns equals less chance of being shot dead, and 'avoidance of being shot' must mean more safety? |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Art Webb on 07/26/15 at 11:10:55 4C6B726D775476617768617D040 wrote:
.............................................................. unless you live in Manchester ;D The truth remains, less guns equals less chance of being shot dead, and 'avoidance of being shot' must mean more safety? [/quote] No, avoidance of violence = more safety Killed is killed, doesn't matter what tool is used I face a much greater chance, statistically, of dying in a traffic accident or by medical malpractice than by 'gun violence' Better ban those scarey cars and doctors ;D |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by HovisPresley on 07/26/15 at 11:23:07 I'd ban doctors if their only function is to kill, maim, or even to look 'macho' ;D Look what damage cars do...... "Killed is killed, doesn't matter what tool is used" but some tools make it easier to kill..... hence the guns's invention. So do we want a society that kills efficiently? |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Serowbot on 07/26/15 at 12:01:30 The real bottom line is... people in America just like guns. Statistically,... they don't make you safer, and deep down, we all know it's a problem... but we just like the guns too much. All the shootings are a price we're willing to pay... I like guns... they are beautiful, precise, and fun... and I own several. I've just reached a limit in the cost to society. I'm ready to see some limitations... We'd all be better off without them. |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/26/15 at 12:17:16 Self protection is a natural right. Been that way since the beginning of time. People aren't equal in attitude and physical ability. And,if you're really curious about the American way, take note of the Constitution, the Law of the Land, written by men who had been under tyranny and decided to create a unique nation, one which makes the People the Sovereign. Washington turned down an offer to be made King. The Second amendment is not about hunting or sports or even defense from a thug, since all of that is just common sense. The Declaration of Independence, all the early stuff, good to understand. Biblical principles and the Magna Carta and the experiences of some really smart guys gave us the guaranteed Liberties we, unlike any other nation I know of. The Federalist papers, anti federalist papers, dudes, they didn't go in Of One Mind and create this. I'm not gonna say that they nailed it, but they sure got close. The problems we have are largely because of failing to follow it and the other, general advice given us. The Trade with others, avoid entanglements stuff seems to have been ignored. The unwillingness to admit that where many people, not just the bad guys, have weapons, crime is lower, is just shocking. Do we not remember the events in our own lives? Who doesn't remember car jacking? Wasn't a big deal in Texas , but Louisiana was a lot different. Finally, the governor told the people, Okay, someone jerk the door open, shoot him. Car jacking Died, after a few thugs got gutshot. |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by verslagen1 on 07/26/15 at 21:22:55 Interesting, while death by guns are vastly different, the mortality rate is about the same for the US and UK. wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_mortality_rate) |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by HovisPresley on 07/27/15 at 05:54:08 4E5D4A4B54595F5D5609380 wrote:
........................................................................ So people in the US and the UK die at roughly the same age? Surely this refers largely to cancer, heart-attacks, obesity, etc. The Wiki link doesn't mention cause of death. If the link referred to death by shootings and the results were basically the same, then it could be said that; The UK population can't 'defend' themselves with guns. The US population can 'defend' themselves with guns. But (if) the results are largely the same.... guns don't really make a difference when it comes to 'protecting' one's own life? Now, deaths by intentional homicide... US 111th in the world table UK 190th in the world table |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Paraquat on 07/27/15 at 06:12:05 Since I saw Chicago mentioned... Quote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/24/chicago-crime-rate-drops-as-concealed-carry-gun-pe/?page=all I've cited, numerous times, Kennesaw, GA. A small town outside Atlanta where every citizen is required to own a firearm. Murder free going on 25 years now. England and Wales: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DJ-KA2WhhLo/UNZr8agpVqI/AAAAAAAAFH4/f6rrTVN7q6I/s400/Screen+Shot+2012-12-22+at++Saturday,+December+22,+9.26+PM.png ... but it is important to note that drop could be the result of an increased police presence... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3F3VyqudNyc/UNkZXvslOgI/AAAAAAAAFKk/TVeWHPiBAX0/s400/Screen+Shot+2012-12-24+at++Monday,+December+24,+10.11+PM. Ireland and Jamaica: http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Ireland-Jamaica-2.jpeg Chicago: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CSE3YbYoc_M/UNMlQ6jG9fI/AAAAAAAAE9Q/xug8Ho9outI/s1600/Screen+shot+2012-12-20+at++Thursday,+December+20,+9.47+AM.png See that sharp drop off, right about 2014 where it oddly matches up with when they allowed pistol permits? Weird. Meanwhile, DC rises: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Uy7V3Zl2MZ4/UNMlfuib0EI/AAAAAAAAE9Y/KReJQnzBvkw/s320/Screen+shot+2012-12-20+at++Thursday,+December+20,+9.49+AM.png Facts are difficult to swallow when they directly contradict your way of thinking. --Steve |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by HovisPresley on 07/27/15 at 06:23:12 "See that sharp drop off, right about 2014 where it oddly matches up with when they allowed pistol permits? Weird." "Facts are difficult to swallow when they directly contradict your way of thinking." What sharp drop off c.2014? None of those graphs go up to 2014, or am I missing something? |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by HovisPresley on 07/27/15 at 06:32:45 The Ireland figures don't really count for much as the IRA and the 'troubles' were at their peak in the early 70's. In 1972, 26 unarmed civilians were shot by the occupying forces whilst on a civil rights march. So then lots of people armed themselves, not as a defence measure, but as a 'peoples army' wanting to overthrow the system. |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Paraquat on 07/27/15 at 09:21:57 567168776D4E6C7B6D727B671E0 wrote:
My apologies. I was at the end of my break and typing feverishly to complete the post. I used the information from 2014 and the data from 2004 and superimposed the two in my head. The facts remain the same though, since permits were issued to citizens the crime rate has dropped, and in areas where firearms were restricted crime has risen. --Steve |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by HovisPresley on 07/27/15 at 10:17:26 7F4E5D4E5E5A4E5B2F0 wrote:
.......................................................... The graph you showed for England & Wales shows less homicides in 2010 than in 1997 (when an amendment was made to the firearms law following the Dunblane school massacre), so there is no correlation. The amendment banned hand guns, not firearms, as anyone with a sawn-off shotgun will tell you. |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Paraquat on 07/27/15 at 11:13:45 The key things I take away from the graph is the spike following the ban, and the constant increase of police officers/constables/etc. More personnel is required to maintain the same levels 20 years ago. I will openly admit that I don't know what constitutes a "firearm" or what the specific restrictions regarding firearms are in the UK. --Steve |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by HovisPresley on 07/27/15 at 11:44:42 I agree, the spike is alarming, but it came down as quick as it rose, and it reached a lower point than it was prior to the ban. The police numbers are just that, numbers of police, rather than a ratio or percentage of police per 'citizen'. The UK has a growing population, yet the police numbers are falling. The graph shows that police numbers grew rapidly and steadily around September 2001, when political and security issues were forced to be reassessed, for obvious reasons. :( |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by WebsterMark on 07/28/15 at 04:51:12 If we're going to let a woman decide if she wants to kill her baby or not, I think we should let people decide on their own if they want to own a gun. I'm Pro-choice on gun ownership. |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by HovisPresley on 07/28/15 at 05:43:29 So Mark, if (God forbid) a big black bi-sexual Muslim 'liberal' guy steps out of the shadows and rapes your wife/daughter/mother at gun point.... can I assume that you'd approve of him carrying a gun, as is his right, and you'd be okay in 9 months time when you have a new child, grandchild, or half-brother? |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by old.indian on 07/28/15 at 13:16:29 HP ... I keep telling you that a wise man never argues with a fool. Uninformed observers might not be able to tell the difference...... (I know that I'm quoting someone , but I can't remember who....) |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by WebsterMark on 07/28/15 at 13:18:29 i beg your pardon oldindian.... |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by MnSpring on 07/28/15 at 13:32:04 Quote:
Let’s see, this is a, ‘criminal’, who has the gun. And the upstanding Citizen, who does Not ? Exactly, HOW, taking a gun, away, from the, ‘husband’, of above wife. Will STOP, the, ‘Criminal’, from having one? OR as you, imply, he is, ’not’, a Criminal. Quote:
Well then it’s simple, because the, ‘husband’, would have one also, because, his, 'RIGHT’, was Not, taken, away ! |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by old.indian on 07/28/15 at 14:54:47 6B595E4F48594E715D4E573C0 wrote:
OK... NOW what did you say/do ??????? :-? |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by HovisPresley on 07/28/15 at 14:54:56 The 'husband' is, say, at home fixing his bike in his garage. The mother/wife/daughter has a gun in her handbag. As it's in her bag it's useless because the rapist snatched her bag as she was walking home across the park from college/work/shops. She had no time to react as the guy jumped out from behind a bush/fence.... Then it's off to Mothercare.... PS. I didn't imply that he wasn't a criminal, I said that I assume you (WM) would support his right to bear arms, as is his right to. |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by WebsterMark on 07/28/15 at 15:14:44 2F2C246E292E2429212E400 wrote:
OK... NOW what did you say/do ??????? :-?[/quote] Nothing that I know of. |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Serowbot on 07/28/15 at 18:04:57 4C7E79686F7E69567A69701B0 wrote:
OK... NOW what did you say/do ??????? :-?[/quote] Nothing that I know of.[/quote] Did somebody fart?... :-/... We''lll blame the dawg... ;D... |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by old.indian on 07/28/15 at 19:15:12 Am I the only one that has noticed that whenever 'bot has done something rude and uncouth he tries to blame the dawg ???? (And he isn't even embarrassed about it either.... ::) ) |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Serowbot on 07/28/15 at 21:34:00 I meant,... Blame the dog... not Dawg... :-?... ...(okay,.. I intentionally punded)... ;D... Blaming the dog for farts is tradition... ... and I don't even have a dog... ;D... |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by Paraquat on 07/29/15 at 06:15:46 0C0F074D0A0D070A020D630 wrote:
Not against anyone here, but to clarify this quote with a new one I've recently learned: It's hard to win an argument against an intelligent person, but impossible to win one against an ignorant person. --Steve |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by MnSpring on 07/29/15 at 09:48:56 6B4C554A50735146504F465A230 wrote:
Well whether or not, this, criminal, stole a purse with a gun in it or not. Is not the point of this discussion. And one cay say, “What If’, over Many a amber Fluid, And that might be fun, but not for typing out a response for every little thing. The point is, ‘Guns’. In the hands of people. When I said, ‘you’, ‘implied’, the ‘criminal’, was a honest Citizen. I felt that you, did, ‘imply’ that. By stating his, ‘right’, to have a firearm. Because, IF, ’that’, moment, that that person, committed that crime, it was the Very First time that person did, commit a, ‘crime’. He, did, have the, right. If he had committed crimes before, (and was caught/punished) that, ‘right’ would be removed. (So Many Laws in the USA on that, and many of those laws, are un-inforced) One cannot, simply guess, what someone is going to do. Who would have, 'guessed’, a German Pilot was going to commit Suicide, and kill 100’ s of other people in the process. Who would have, ‘guessed’, a Sweed, rowed to a island, and went on a shooting spree. Who would have guessed, some newspaper Artists, would be shot, in a country where individual firearms are Very Severely limited. Now, lets offer one more, scenario. Let’s say, All guns are banned, their is non, no one has one, (good guy or criminal). Now their is a, ‘bad guy’, who rapes/steals/kills. (Remember, No One has a firearm) How, would the removal of all firearms, stop that person, from doing that crime? The point is: Removing firearms, from honest Citizens, does NOT, stop, ‘Crime’, being committed by, DIS-Honist People. And a popular believe is. Remove firearms, from, Honest Citizens, then their will be less firearms, for the criminal, to steel. While the, ‘criminals, illegally gotten firearms supply, drys up. Of course, the above, is dependent on, No firearms being illegally brought in to this Country, and the 1,000’s+ People that know how to make one, do not do it. Every Criminal, will know, they can do what ever they want, any time, any place. Because, the honest Citizen, can do absolutely Nothing about it. Oh, BTY, How’s that, ‘war on drugs’, going? |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/29/15 at 10:47:58 and, at the end of the day, the Citizen is Sovereign, and self defense is a natural right. |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by oldNslow on 07/29/15 at 11:45:57 554A4C4B5651605060584A460D3F0 wrote:
Well, that's the way it's supposed to be. In practice, in most of the world, that's not the way things actually work. I'm not even convinced that that's the situation in this country anymore. :( |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by HovisPresley on 07/29/15 at 11:53:05 Quote MnS "Oh, BTY, How’s that, ‘war on drugs’, going? " I'm not sure, but they are playing in Chicago tomorrow night (sold out) and also Friday night.... Frankly, I'm surprised that's your type of music ;D ;) |
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Title: Re: EEEEEK! Guns..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/29/15 at 12:50:34 5A6465697B6766080 wrote:
Well, that's the way it's supposed to be. In practice, in most of the world, that's not the way things actually work. I'm not even convinced that that's the situation in this country anymore. :( [/quote] AFAIK, we are the only nation with a Constitution that expressly makes the Citizen King,and government no more than hired help. Sadly, they've managed to pass laws, unfounded in law, operating under mere color of law. While they claim to Represent the People, they do what the People clearly don't want or choose to not do what we Do want. There is no excuse. Communication is much better today. We can't know what's in it until we pass it. If your lawyer wouldn't let you read a contract before you signed it, you have grounds for seeing him disbarred. I've made the point many times and was happy to see someone here make it, about a week ago. And this latest trade agreement, Mr Transparency wouldn't even allow debate. People weren't allowed to even take notes when they were allowed a peek at it. That should have provided hard copies for everyone who would vote and posted it online for us to know what's going on. There is only one reason for secrecy.. it's bad, The Republic is, and has been, taken. By whom is not yet clear. Read Rockefellers statement, thanking the media for Not shining a light on what they were doing. rockefeller wills all to rothschild family Check that out. |
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