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Reply #15 - 07/25/15 at 10:15:18
 
It's the circle of life (aka, fear)...  Huh...

I need a gun, because the bad guys have guns.  and I need a bigger gun and more bullets, because the bad guys have bigger guns and more bullets.

...and SUV's...
I need big car because everybody else drives big cars, and a little car isn't safe against them...
...and I need a bigger one now,.. because everybody went and bought a bigger one to be safe...

..and now, we're all totin' UZI's driving 6,000lb cars to get kiddies to day care...
Have we invented the bulletproof child car seat yet?...
It'll be next big thing.... Grin...
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Reply #16 - 07/25/15 at 10:53:08
 
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Reply #17 - 07/25/15 at 10:53:35
 
To Paraphrase: ‘ Bigger & Better’.

Yea, that’s where we are now.

Tomorrow, can it change?
Sure, when the, 'other people’,
LEARN, that they are, NOT, ‘More Equal’.
Are,  NOT,  Taught and Told, they are,  ‘More Equal’.
Do, NOT depend on, ‘hand-outs’.
AND, LEARN,  how to live in a Society, with respect for others.
Etc, Etc, Etc.,  
It would be nice, NOT, to have that, ‘bigger/better, attitude.
But, Today, one must!

The answer is NOT, taking ‘Away’, The answer is, ‘Education’.
And until, ‘other People’, who do NOT, know, how to live in a Society, with respect for others.
‘Bigger Better’, is the only solution.

I enjoy, making holes in a piece of paper, and seeing how close together I can get those holes.
Just like some other people enjoy, hitting a ball of tightly bound, rubber bands, and counting how many times they have to hit it, before it falls into a hole in the ground.
I would greatly prefer, to spend money on firearms, that accomplish that goal, better.
Than spend more money, on small, lightweight, not very accurate ones.

And tomorrow, mayday I could do that.

But NOT, today!
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #18 - 07/25/15 at 12:41:30
 
I'd need a weapon of some sort to defend against a pissed off junior high kid. Self defense is a natural right. And, once again, in futility, I point to the Constitution, that doesn't Grant , but Guarantees, Freedoms.
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Reply #19 - 07/26/15 at 09:21:07
 
Serowbot wrote on 07/25/15 at 09:21:39:
Chicago does have strict gun laws,... but,...
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NYT...More than a quarter of the firearms seized on the streets here by the Chicago Police Department over the past five years were bought just outside city limits in Cook County suburbs, according to an analysis by the University of Chicago Crime Lab. Others came from stores around Illinois and from other states, like Indiana, less than an hour’s drive away. Since 2008, more than 1,300 of the confiscated guns, the analysis showed, were bought from just one store, Chuck’s Gun Shop in Riverdale, Ill., within a few miles of Chicago’s city limits.


Now,... compare Houston or Chicago,... to a similar city, in a country where access to guns isn't just a short bus ride to the city limits.

Manchester, UK,...Pop 2.5m... murders ...50...
Houston, US,...    Pop 2.1m....murders... 207...

551 total murders in the UK... pop 65m...
16.000 total US.
Jeepers... Huh...

What did you say earlier about comparing apples to apples?
There are so many societal variable between the UK and the US that this is a pointless comparison
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Reply #20 - 07/26/15 at 09:22:40
 
HovisPresley wrote on 07/25/15 at 05:48:17:
I have to agree with Serow, that video was so biased.

It compares gun-ownership with murder rates.

Obviously, as murders happened before the invention of guns, there clearly are murders that don't involve guns.

So, in order to be more accurate, let's compare gun-ownership to firearms-related deaths.

According to Wiki, the USA has the 13th highest rate of firearms-related deaths. Bit different   Roll Eyes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate


Same old straw man argument
Let's focus on the tool, not the actual problem
Murder is murder, the tool is unimportant
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Reply #21 - 07/26/15 at 09:27:18
 
Another point
in the last ten years, firearms laws have been getting gradually more, relaxed
In those same 10 years, in the places where that rel;axation has occurred, crime rates, and especially violent crime rates, have been dropping
Strong correlation
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Reply #22 - 07/26/15 at 09:29:05
 
They both look like apples to me  Wink

What difference in society is there between the two, that would make the comparison pointless?
With Manchester having 5 times less murders, I'm interested in knowing that difference.
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Reply #23 - 07/26/15 at 09:29:42
 
Makes as much sense as taking guns from a potentially suicidal person.
Hose, tailpipe, rope,limb, drugs,
Motivated people are able to accomplish things..
Murder is murder.
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Reply #24 - 07/26/15 at 09:37:21
 
Sure,.. why not give them a couple dozen hand grenades... Roll Eyes...
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Reply #25 - 07/26/15 at 09:39:16
 
Art Webb wrote on 07/26/15 at 09:22:40:
HovisPresley wrote on 07/25/15 at 05:48:17:
I have to agree with Serow, that video was so biased.

It compares gun-ownership with murder rates.

Obviously, as murders happened before the invention of guns, there clearly are murders that don't involve guns.

So, in order to be more accurate, let's compare gun-ownership to firearms-related deaths.

According to Wiki, the USA has the 13th highest rate of firearms-related deaths. Bit different   Roll Eyes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate


Same old straw man argument
Let's focus on the tool, not the actual problem
Murder is murder, the tool is unimportant


In terms of tools, you can kill people with a slight squeeze of one finger using a gun. It's a lot harder to kill yourself, others, class-mates, etc, with a pointy stick.

If the British army had wooden spears and the Zulus had machine guns.....

I'm not saying that 'writing' would stop if we banned pen ownership, but it would make it a lot harder.....

Hmmm, making it harder for people to kill people, sounds like the right thing to do.....

Would Jesus have carried a gun?
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Reply #26 - 07/26/15 at 09:40:28
 
I'm okay with that.. I'd LOVE strap one to a tree,,
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Reply #27 - 07/26/15 at 09:44:16
 
HovisPresley wrote on 07/26/15 at 09:29:05:
They both look like apples to me  Wink

What difference in society is there between the two, that would make the comparison pointless?
With Manchester having 5 times less murders, I'm interested in knowing that difference.

UK society is a different demographic from American, less prone in modern times to settling disputes with violence on the whole
In fact the UK never had a 'gun murder' problem, they had isolated incidents
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Reply #28 - 07/26/15 at 09:48:38
 
Maybe that's because they don't have ready access to guns...
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Reply #29 - 07/26/15 at 09:50:01
 
HovisPresley wrote on 07/26/15 at 09:39:16:
Art Webb wrote on 07/26/15 at 09:22:40:
HovisPresley wrote on 07/25/15 at 05:48:17:
I have to agree with Serow, that video was so biased.

It compares gun-ownership with murder rates.

Obviously, as murders happened before the invention of guns, there
clearly are murders that don't involve guns.

So, in order to be more accurate, let's compare gun-ownership to firearms-related deaths.

According to Wiki, the USA has the 13th highest rate of firearms-related deaths. Bit different   Roll Eyes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate


Same old straw man argument
Let's focus on the tool, not the actual problem
Murder is murder, the tool is unimportant


In terms of tools, you can kill people with a slight squeeze of one finger using a gun. It's a lot harder to kill yourself, others, class-mates, etc, with a pointy stick.

If the British army had wooden spears and the Zulus had machine guns.....

I'm not saying that 'writing' would stop if we banned pen ownership, but it would make it a lot harder.....

Hmmm, making it harder for people to kill people, sounds like the right thing to do.....

Would Jesus have carried a gun?

You can kill even more, more easily, with a bomb, you know, like terrorists used to do in the UK?
reducing gun murders doesn't reduce murders, so it doesn't make you any safer, and if it doesn't make you safer, why would you do it?
it's nothing but feel good legislation against those 'evil guns'
Jesus Disciples were armed, so, yeah, probably so
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