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Reply #165 - 09/18/15 at 09:09:35
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/17/e-cat-commercial-rollout-leonardo-in-eur...

E-Cat Commercial Rollout: Leonardo in Europe, Industrial Heat in the USA? [Update: Rossi Estimates $3 Billion in Pre-Orders]

Gist is that Leonardo Corp is doing Europe and most of the smaller African countries while Industrial Heat is going USA/North and South America and the China regions.

And yes, they have been showing the pilot plant under non-disclosure terms and yes they already have 3 billion in pre-orders already, and that is with the minimal pending end of test information that was given out to the pilot plant preview people.

You also get the sense that the distributor networks are finished forming now since we are getting leaks from Australian distributors and such now.

2016 should be an interesting year, as if the other guys don't get something started for certification runs they won't be done it time to do anything about the initial 2016  Rossi roll outs.  

This will be tough to do as Brillouin hasn't even gotten his pilot plant capitalized yet.

I expect lawyers to get tossed into the mix pretty soon to try to stop Rossi's early roll out as once that widespread roll out happens you will play hell saying the IP is yours (whomever you may be).  

Rossi will have indeed gone into real production while you hadn't even built a pilot plant yet, much less done your safety certification runs.   You obviously didn't have a finalized anything.
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Reply #166 - 09/20/15 at 10:25:31
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/19/1-mw-e-cat-plant-watch-thread-update-1-r...

We have been hearing Rossi say he is using a guided E-Cat to drive and control several other "dumb" Cats which have no electrical inputs and that he uses this technique to greatly increase his COP values in the current 1 megawatt plant.

Third party reviewers have been looking at this plant and have now let the resulting COP out of the bag  ---  
20 COP at the low end, 80 COP at the high end.

Now you begin to see why folks are lined up to buy the things now.  20 COP is PLENTY good enough to drive a car and   80 COP  is verging on as close to free energy compared to anything else anyone has ever shown.    


UPDATE #22 (Apr 21, 2015)

"Another comment about sources visiting the 1MW plant currently under test by Rossi from the Sifferkol website run by Torkel Nyberg (see here http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/?p=626:

“I know first hand from very reliable sources that themselves have visited the Rossi/Industrial Heat E-Cat customer that the plant works very well. This has been verified both by measurements made by the customer and by significantly reduced electricity bills. The plant seems to be able to produce heat from electricity with a COP in the range of 20-80 depending on the level of self-sustain-mode applied. I guess that is what Rossi is working on right now.”

Mats Lewan now has updated his blog post (see update #21 below) to confirm that he has heard the same information as reported on the Sifferkol site. He writes:

UPDATE: Since a COP (Coefficient of Performance — output energy/input energy) ranging from 20 to 80 has been reported, I can confirm that I have got the same information."



We have been hearing Rossi say he is using a single guided E-Cat to drive and control several other "dumb" Cats located inside the same reactor pressure vessel -- "dumb" Cats which have no electrical inputs -- and that he uses this "slaved" driving technique to greatly increase his overall COP values.

NOTE:   Rossi has requested the references containing the information quoted here to be pulled as it violated the terms of NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS that are currently in effect.   This has been done, so this post becomes an orphan as far as reference material goes.   But those of you that clicked on the references quickly could and did see the references I copied from.   The original Sifferkol link still works (Sunday 9/20/15 7:00PM) but Mats Lewan's confirmation post has already been removed as well.

Now you are left waiting again, for Rossi to finish the experimental run and for THE OFFICIAL REFEREE to state officially what the final COP is.

If any of the stuff about 80 COP being driven off of a controlled central core using "dumb" slave cores in the same boiler body is correct, then somebody released something Rossi and Industrial Heat did NOT want released at this point in time.

It has been silenced, again.
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Reply #167 - 09/20/15 at 11:33:00
 
There are 2 things left for him to do...
what's the smallest cat he can make and what's the largest he can make.
if a single smart cat can drive x dumb cats to a cop of 80...
can a short smart cat drive a long dumb one?
The "master-blaster" of the cats.
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Reply #168 - 09/20/15 at 12:31:24
 

Smallest so far is the size of a fat cigar.

Largest seen experimentally was the size of your  leg (thigh section diameter and length).   Too large seems to make for internal hot spots and early failures though.

Most common "large commercial size" was the size of 2-3 stacked commercial sized baked beans cans.

He's got to get a much bigger one working for large commercial power plants (likely a master center core and a cluster set of large replaceable slaves) but right now he's got room heaters and cars and home heating systems pretty much sussed out.

I think a smallish water desalination plant would be a dynamite product, steady load running and a very much appreciated thing on the world stage right now.

Since you could combine a small capacity power generation station very easily (run the steam through a generator turbine before putting it into the cooling coils to condense out the drinking water)  it could be a way to bring the benefits of civilized life (water and power) to a lot of coastal areas of the third world.   The Gates Foundation could get behind this one, I think.

This 20-80 COP really thins the field out as Brillouin was stretching it a bit to claim 4-6 cope out of what he was getting, and the Italians were at 3 COP when they went for patent.

Rossi has patents pending on all of this now, and he has quick start up tricks and such involved with new his E-CatX that he is sitting on until he gets into real production with the standard E-Cats.  

Knowing Rossi, he won't say how he does the rest of it until he has the green light on his 64 follow on patents and at least a patent pending on the new E-CatX technology.

Like many, I think Tom Darden and Industrial Heat were a key element in Rossi being as successful as his is right now.   They gave him patent guidance, engineering support and financial support and lined up his 1 megawatt customer for him and were instrumental in negotiating with China, etc. etc. etc.

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Reply #169 - 09/22/15 at 07:54:36
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/22/rossi-if-test-successful-commercializati...

Rossi: If Test Successful, E-Cat Commercialization to Start March 2016

Andrea Rossi
September 22nd, 2015 at 7:04 AM
Ivan Idso:
If the results of the tests on course in the factory of the Customer, in Marh [sic] we will start the commercial program. To answer to you we’ll need a far more precise and detailed request. Please send detailed data to
info@leonardocorp1996.com
Warm Regards,
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Rossi is treating questions as "quote requests" now.   I think that latest "how well and exactly how it actually works" leak from the recent container visitors has put Rossi and Industrial Heat back into protect the IP mode again.

We are 6 months from go day.   With  3 BILLION $$$  in pre-orders sitting in the barn it is a GO for production.

At six months out firm orders for steel container weldments and sheet metal stamping & die work will be under way.   Design of the final assembly process will be under way as construction of nests and fixturing takes time.   Actual assembly will begin before the official go date.

Tech Personnel will be being chosen and training will begin at the original container site and at the manufacturing site.  

Industrial Heat has piloted their sell in method already -- you buy the steam for the first year and we run it , hand tune it to your job and improve on it until the first year proves itself out then you pay the balance that is due at that time and your trained techs take over.  

Or you continue just to buy the steam at a discount rate and we own it and run it at your place of business using a locally hired technician that works for us.   If you want out, we pick up the container and you owe only for the steam that was delivered to you according to your contract.

Realize that a two to four megawatt steam plant will still fit into a full sized container, just needs additional full height racks of 4 stacked steam vessels.

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Larger plants will likely lose the container and just grow row on row out on the plant floor.
     
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Reply #170 - 09/22/15 at 08:51:00
 
this is the separating the wheat from the chaff

I get these questions dailly, you refer them to a contract admin to deflect the brain pickers that just want some free info from the legit customers.

so it sounds like million dollar customers before 10 buck consumers.

In a home installation, one of the key issues with off grid solar electricity was what to do with the surplus energy.  Seemed pretty simple to me, heat water.  With a home e-cat installation where heat is the primary, water heating and a/c should be the primary and electricity will be any overage assuming grid tie or solar is available.
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Reply #171 - 09/22/15 at 21:04:01
 
One question...

How much is this "one container" "two system" going to cost the local township?


Ok, maybe one more, how many U.S. homes will it power?

I have a block of interested people, they think i'm nutz....
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Reply #172 - 09/23/15 at 04:35:38
 

Interesting dichotomy,  Big Oil Industry leaders believe and are dropping leases on marginal oil fields right and left --- have a nickname for LENR even, "The Black Swan effect".   To them, there are 3-5 different things cooking right now that could be their black swan for their industry, and it really matters not to them which one rings the black swan bell first.   Big Oil is investing in their eventual replacement technologies rather than just stop existing.    Big Oil is investing in LENR tech as well.

Big Oil believes something is going to replace them inside the next 3-5 years and is reacting that way right now by dropping oil field leases right and left.

However, main stream press is still saying to John Q public, repeatedly "Cold Fusion was a fraud".   The press fix is in, still.  

This is sorta warped at this stage of things, I think.

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Reply #173 - 09/23/15 at 09:39:44
 

Hints from "informed third parties" are now suggesting that 2-3 additional sites are now operational, at least one is perhaps governmental (which gov?)

Sweden is likely, as is a USA DARPA site and a USA Navy site.  

These may be refurbs of existing containers since DARPA and the Navy each supposedly had one of the original 100 core (COP of 3) container sets supposedly.   Installing a stack of 4 big cores in those containers would be no big thing, or selling it as a separate half container, ditto.

COP of 20 to 80 would be aces to have in a remote war zone, water purification and power generation in the same package would be something DARPA would be all over in a heart beat.    Issue would be that they would want to restrict it to their own use as a military secret.

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Reply #175 - 09/24/15 at 05:00:47
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/23/rossi-working-to-fit-e-cat-x-within-us-p...

Yeah, looking back just a year ago seems sorta simple and laid back compared to what is going on now.

Rossi Working to Fit E-Cat X Within US Patent, Predicts 150 Patents Pending This Year

E CatX is on Rossi's mind as he works on new patents to cover the new cluster tech that is slowly becoming clearer out of the comments from folks visiting his container.    He is striving for the existing patents to cover the "basis" of the new tech and he is doing follow on patents as needed to clarify the master slave relationship between a driven core and a slave core on the control side of things.    Plus he needs to patent his new construction materials that were developed in this effort.  

Rossi and Industrial Heat are spending millions on all these patents, and you don't drop those sorts of coins unless you got something to protect.

I am learning a new term "Muon"  and the follow on "Muon-catalyzed fusion" from the follower people.  You need to learn the new terminology so you will be an educated old codger.    The quote is from Wikipedia, so although a new term to me it is an old term to science.

"Muon-catalyzed fusion (μCF) is a process allowing nuclear fusion to take place at temperatures significantly lower than the temperatures required for thermonuclear fusion, even at room temperature or lower. It is one of the few known ways of catalyzing nuclear fusion reactions.

Muons are unstable subatomic particles. They are similar to electrons, but are about 207 times more massive. If a muon replaces one of the electrons in a hydrogen molecule, the nuclei are consequently drawn 207[1][2] times closer together than in a normal molecule. When the nuclei are this close together, the probability of nuclear fusion is greatly increased, to the point where a significant number of fusion events can happen at room temperature.

Current techniques for creating large numbers of muons require large amounts of energy, larger than the amounts produced by the catalyzed nuclear fusion reactions. This prevents it from becoming a practical power source. Moreover, each muon has about a 1% chance of "sticking" to the alpha particle produced by the nuclear fusion of a deuterium with a tritium, removing the "stuck" muon from the catalytic cycle, meaning that each muon can only catalyze at most a few hundred deuterium tritium nuclear fusion reactions. So, these two factors, of muons being too expensive to make and then sticking too easily to alpha particles, limit muon-catalyzed fusion to a laboratory curiosity. To create useful room-temperature muon-catalyzed fusion reactors would need a cheaper, more efficient muon source and/or a way for each individual muon to catalyze many more fusion reactions.

Muon-catalyzed fusion is a well established and understood fusion mechanism. Although it is also a relatively low temperature process, it is distinct from cold fusion."


Arguably what is happening inside the steam vessel is there is a free flowing abundance or "cloud" of muons surrounding the single active controlled core -- resulting in a lower level of activity in the slave cores.   As you hot up the controlled core the cloud intensifies and the slaves become more active and begin contributing muons to the cloud.   Activity of the slaves increases until it can become self-sustaining with a minimum power boost from the active core (which goes into sort of a lower power maintenance state and then acts as a rheostat for the entire steam vessel).    

There is a difference in mixture between master and slave cores as they have completely different jobs to do.    A slave core would be hard put to get excited enough to melt down, but you can pack a lot of slaves into the empty space around a master as they will last a goodly while and they each DO each contribute to the production of steam.  

Slaves need not be cylindrical, they could be spherical in nature so they could be fed into the steam vessel from the top and removed from the bottom for maintenance purposes.   A master core would likely be cylindrical and be inserted inside a somewhat protected space in the middle of things.

Muons are "fat electrons" and carry the   -   charge same as a standard electron and they move around about the same way.   They result in a charged cloud inside the reactor that could be tapped for direct DC electricity or simply grounded out, but this would likely dampen the master slave effect if you drew too much out of the cloud (yup, yet another control system to prevent run away, looks like).

Needless to say, all this is pure conjecture on the parts of folks who seem to know more about it than I do, but it seems to fall in line with what is know in Thorium and other reactors that use a hard neutron cloud to do the same sort of thing.

I would estimate this mind view is approximately 50% correct and lacks all of the necessary tricks to make it really really work.   But it gives you a better idea how an 80 COP can be had.

And it also seems to indicate that a 200 COP may be possible in a steady state steady load implementation (no variation, ever) affair after enough development work and tuning is done on it.

Just about free energy .....  no standard radiation at all.   A muon cloud inside several layers of steel can't project any known effects outside the steel casings other than perhaps some magnetic effects.  

A moving or swirling or pulsing muon cloud could project electromagnetic effects outside of the containment vessel though .....   hmmmmm.     Short the thing out 60 times a second and you got what, a collapsing field effect on an outside wound coil?   Making 60 cycle DC?  Combine it with the short out current and that could make what --- choppy AC?

Lots of work has been done on this sort of thing for the hot fusion tokamak style reactors the hot fusion guys have been chasing.   Complicated fussy devices, tokamaks -- very anti-rossi in their thinking I would have to say.  

Shorting out the muon cloud and capturing the collapse field with a big winding to make some ongoing free stutter power, now that might be more Rossi.    All part of the control system to keep it from running away, of course.

Much needs to be studied to understand these effects completely, and when this understanding is achieved lower cost and greater effectiveness will naturally take place.

I would think that some Rossi licensed competition will eventually take place between 3-5 major players that will eventually combine down into 2-3 corporations that will supply these devices to the world.

We will not recognize daily life once energy is free -- live wherever you want to just as long as you have a water supply and can get mail packages.
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Reply #176 - 09/27/15 at 15:04:43
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/27/tom-darden-on-lenr-interview-in-fortune-...


Tom Darden on LENR: Interview in Fortune Magazine

http://fortune.com/2015/09/27/ceo-cherokee-investment-partners-low-energy-nuc...



"A prominent North Carolina investor is backing a new kind of fusion that operates at much lower temperatures than thought possible, which would make it easier to commercialize. So far the early results show promise.

Tom Darden, the founder and CEO of the $2.2 billion private equity fund Cherokee Investment Partners, made his mark by acquiring and cleaning up hundreds of environmentally contaminated sites. Today he is also an early stage investor in clean technology, having put his own money into dozens of companies in areas ranging from smart grid to renewable energy, and prefab green buildings. More recently he’s backed a new approach to fusion, a potentially abundant and carbon-free form of energy that would operate at a much lower temperatures than big government projects around the world, which require temperatures of 100 million degrees centigrade and more.

This new technology, called Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) is related but very different from the cold fusion technology that in 1989 researchers Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann claimed to have licked when they revealed to the world a simple tabletop machine designed to achieve a fusion reaction at room temperature. Their experiment was eventually debunked and since then the term cold fusion has become almost synonymous with scientific chicanery.

What does Darden, a no-nonsense, investor with a sharp eye on the bottom line and a successful track record, see in this new, risky technology? Fortune’s Brian Dumaine spoke to him to find out.

Q: How did you get involved with low-temperature fusion?

A: Well, I thought the issue was moot after scientists failed to replicate the Fleischman and Pons initial cold fusion experiments. I was literally unaware that people were working on this in labs. I’ve made about 35 clean technology investments, and I thought that if someone’s doing this I should have heard about it. Then three years ago I started to hear about progress being made in the field and I said, “darn, you have to be kidding, it doesn’t make sense.”

As it turns out, many of those early efforts to replicate cold fusion did not correctly load the test reactors or attempt to properly measure heat. The scientists trying to replicate the work of Fleischman and Pons were mainly looking for nuclear signals, like radiation, which generally are not present. They missed that heat was the main by-product. In addition, I learned that there have been nearly 50 reported positive test results, including experiments at Oak Ridge, Los Alamos, EPRI, and SRI.

Q: The conventional wisdom is that LENR violates the laws of physics.

A: That’s right. To create fusion energy you have to break the bonds in atoms and that takes a tremendous amount of force. That’s why the big government fusion projects have to use massive lasers or extreme heat—millions degrees centigrade—to break the bonds. Breaking those bonds at much lower temperatures is inconsistent with the laws of physics, as they’re now known.

Q: What changed your mind?

A: Scientists get locked into paradigms until the paradigm shifts. Then everyone happily shifts to the new truth and no one apologizes for being so stupid before. Low temperature fusion could be consistent with existing theories, we just don’t know how. It’s like when physicists say that according to the laws of aerodynamics bumblebees can’t fly but they do.

Q: So you licensed the technology of Andrea Rossi, an Italian scientist and entrepreneur who’s been having some success with cold fusion.

A: That’s right. Rossi’s was one of the first investments we made. We’ve been seeing the creation of isotopes and energy releases at relatively low temperatures—1,000 degrees centigrade, which could be a sign that fusion has occurred. We have sponsored tests and more research for Rossi’s work. A group of Swedish scientists tested the technology, and they got good results. A number of other people say they are also getting positive results but these haven’t been confirmed. A Russian scientist, for example claims to have replicated Rossi’s work in Switzerland and got excess heat. That’s a good sign

Q: So you’re optimistic?

A: Yes, In fact, Rossi was awarded an important U.S. patent recently, which is part of what we licensed, covering the use of nickel, platinum or palladium powders, as well as other components, in his heat-producing device. This is one of very few LENR-related patents to date.

But let me make one thing very clear. We don’t know for sure yet whether it will be commercially feasible. We’ve invested more than $10 million so far in Rossi’s and other LENAR technology and we’ll spend substantially more than that before we know for certain because we want to crush all the tests. (Recently, we have been joined by Woodford Investment Management in the U.K., which has made a much larger investment into our international LENR activities—so we are well funded.)

Cold fusion has such a checkered past and is so filled with hypesters and people with a gold rush, get-rich-quick mentality. We need to be calm, prudent and not exaggerate. I don’t want to say that cold fusion is real until we can absolutely prove it in ten different ways and then persuade our worst critics to join our camp.

Q: If it does work, what are the implications?

A: I’m doing this for the environment. If cold fusion works, it would address air pollution including carbon. It could be a game changer."



Fortune Magazine, huh?  

Sounds like Darden is going to be the point man on setting up the "new world view" PR change over on E-Cat and he is quietly going about doing that job.    

Rossi can't do that job because he cause too much controversy whenever he opens his mouth, but just like the LENR expo, Darden can do it very smoothly without batting an eyelash.

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Reply #177 - 09/27/15 at 15:18:55
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/27/rossi-studying-use-of-abb-collaborative-...

http://new.abb.com/products/robotics

Rossi: Studying Use of ABB Collaborative Robots for E-Cat Production Line
Posted on September 27, 2015 by Frank Acland • 1 Comment

"Over the years we have heard Andrea Rossi talk about having a “robotic factory” build E-Cats when they move into the mass production phase of E-Cats. For a long time it was rather a vague statement, but today we get a better idea of what has been on Rossi’s mind. Here’s a question and response from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today about ABB Robotics (Asea Brown Boveri), a major robotic company based in Zurich, Switzerland.

Gunnar Lindberg
September 27th, 2015 at 10:05 AM
Dear Andrea Rossi,
May I ask if you are collaborating with Asea Brown Boveri using their robots? They have capacity to build a robotic factory within months.
Best regards¨
Gunnar Lindberg

Andrea Rossi
September 27th, 2015 at 1:38 PM
Gunnar Lindberg:
Yes, we are studying their small “Collaborative Robots” and I think that they will be integrated in our production systems. Congrats: you understand quickly.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=278&v=2KfXY2SvlmQ     robotics videos, click on them
Remember, these dudes use their own robots to build their own robots, so fancy that, huh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UluhIJXIkBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7-il9SOEz0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD4aab6V6I8

To get a better idea of what ABB’s latest collaborative robots are all about, here’s a set of videos from the company discussing their next generation of robots, and this might be what Rossi has in mind for making the E-Cat. Rossi has said that they are looking to make their devices as economically as possible, to create economies of scale, and discourage reverse engineering — and automation will need to play an important role in that effort. I can’t imagine these robots come very cheap, and there will need to be a good deal of investment to set up a production line with them."



"It is said" that ABB can set up your robotic assembly line inside of 30 days.  

If so and if Rossi, Woodford Investment Management and Industrial Heat value the speed of entry above the high cost of ABB's production cells, then they have indeed found a way to do the needed high levels of production on the reactor cores and on the critical electronic control systems and all the necessary wiring with it ALL BEING DONE IN HOUSE under their complete control, while keeping a very tight hold over all their industrial secrets.

The steel enclosures and the steam plumbing are NOT secret at all, and can be sublet in lots of places world wide and shipped in to their manufacturing plant in pick and place containers for final assembly.

Remember, the reactor cores and the electronic controls are what need to be kept under tight secrecy wraps.   I see a separate plant for cores and electronics with only totally trusted employees being allowed inside, ever.   Robots, after all, don't blab about their work and they don't take bathroom breaks or lunch breaks or any other sort of break unless of course, they are the ones that break.    Wink

Woodford Investment Management in the U.K. are the ones working directly with ABB to get the production cells set up.   Once the cell is set up, more cells can be put into shipping containers to go to the USA and other places in the world in order to replicate the already programmed ready to go cellular production facility.

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Reply #178 - 09/27/15 at 19:33:17
 
The scientists trying to replicate the work of Fleischman and Pons were mainly looking for nuclear signals, like radiation, which generally are not present. They missed that heat was the main by-product. In addition, I learned that there have been



Really? They didn't know what they were looking for?

Uh huhh ,I believe that
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Reply #179 - 09/28/15 at 04:08:48
 

I can, they were Nuclear Scientists and that is how they always detected something was happening.   The Geiger counter was their standard tool.

When they got no Geiger counter clicks, they "knew" they had nothing going on.

Please remember their general attitude as well, they KNEW it couldn't work going in.

Still got the same attitude, still.
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