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Title: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/19/15 at 01:49:18 Noticed gas prices falling lately?   There are many causes, almost like a house of cards effect going on, but here is one discernable set of fingers that are still tugging at the futures market with traceable effects .... http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/18/new-official-web-site-andrea-rossi-com-pictures-of-the-new-plant/ http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54e38c6ce4b0b6d75a4175a7/54e3ca09e4b0af154d1539a3/54e3ca33e4b015ce3b5f81b7/1424215065920/ecat+MW1-USA+team+at+working.jpg?format=500w http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54e38c6ce4b0b6d75a4175a7/54e3ca09e4b0af154d1539a3/54e3ca35e4b07bd81fa203b2/1424214940427/ecat+MW1-USA+sandy+et+wendy+installation.jpg?format=500w This one is referred to as "the new plant" and yes it looks like a commercially refined process compared to what we were allowed to see of the first 3 plants ever constructed. The burgeoning amount of stuff showing up associated with LENR is getting difficult to follow as more and more players pop out of the woodwork and more and more scientific / university / worldwide various governmental research groups kick up into the mix. National patents have been granted in just about every nation EXCEPT the USA at this point in time.   Italy and Sweden have been back-dating their "origin" patents to predate all others (the patent war has begun in earnest).   All other players are just pressing patents on the commercialization aspects that they are actively pursuing. Not much doubt that it is real any more ..... Also is becoming clear that this is a touchy process and requires some fairly serious computing power aimed at the knob variables to keep it within the control limits while working against a changing load. It ls at the early pre Ford Model A level, awaiting for the necessary tech developments to make the Model A and Model T full commercial expansions possible. Industrial Heat and its international lawyers are still pressing previous licensees and regional representatives to sell back their  original licenses since the tech has shifted and the old licenses do not apply to what will be licensed going out in the future. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission is still getting false complaints from cranks to go check for a for an unlicensed nuclear facility located here and then there (they have tried several locations now).   I suspect competitors and internet cranks are spending a lot of time trying to figure out where Rossi and his 4 man crew are flying to all the time. As I have said before, there is a strong element in LENR that wishes to stop referring to nuclear anything in the name as no one can prove a traditional nuclear activity is going on in this lattice assisted isotopic transformational stuff at this point in time.   A new name that more accurately states what is going on is being sought, one that will also keep Nuclear Regulatory Commission goons out of it. The Regulatory Commission is taking a developing stance that if they cannot detect radiation then nothing that they need to be concerned with is going on at that particular facility. Believe it or not, that is a rational stance for them to take as RADIATION is the danger from traditional nuclear and that is what all the tons of regulations and rules are all about ...... :)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/19/15 at 07:18:58 I didn't read all of that, but if that's putting pressure on the price of oil, I'm good with that. I'm Very good with that..

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 02/19/15 at 09:12:15 I can't help but feel that this conjecture is based upon hopeful thinking. Gas is mainly consumed by cars, the conversion of cars to E-Cat is years away at best.  If testla up and cancels their proposed battery plant, then I'll be convinced that this is eminent.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/19/15 at 13:58:51 Thinking goes like this. The amount of time it takes to build a new refinery is so long that LENR will mature to a degree inside that same long period of time. So, nobody's going to build anymore refineries.   In the unsettled changing future it would simply be a bad bet put your capital at risk when a known replacement technology is at hand.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 02/19/15 at 14:13:38 So roughly 40% of price goes to building a new refinery? cost usually comes from repaying loans and interest, not building a nest egg for the next one. fn geniuses.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/19/15 at 19:01:20 Oil pricing isn't simple, a lot of it is "what will the market bear?" When the market sees LENR on the horizon, it's tolerance for big oil companies HUGE excess charges goes way way down.    The old standby "justification for charges for new infastructure" simply falls down. We have enough capacity now (some say more than enough capacity) and whatever LENR frees up in fuel oil and diesel oil (power generation uses) comes right off the bottom line. Generating heat will be first fruit, power generation will be second fruit. Third generation is large truck uses and trains and ships and such --- LENR as currently envisioned needs a fairly large plant to be successful.   It will get smaller and more efficient as the years roll by. Time to 100% LENR powered motor vehicles is at least 10-15 years, so don't hold your breath for it.   A bumper charging system for electrical vehicles will come much sooner than that with a Sterling engine running a generator but this would only used to extend the range on a wall socket charged Nissan Leaf / Chevy Volt type of vehicle.   This sort of partial play will happen much sooner in 5-8 years.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by old_rider on 02/19/15 at 23:38:00 Oil pricing is simple.... Hurricane in the gulf--- prices go up Cold front in California--- prices go up Cold front in Kentucky----prices go up Refinery somewhere blows up---- prices go up A light bulb in a refinery somewhere burns out----prices go up Prices just went up .40 cents in the last 2 weeks $2.35 at the local Exxon today. (that's why I was wondering why your initial post said something to the effect of lower prices)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/19/15 at 23:43:31 More paper barrels are sold than real.. manipulated by speculation, international or not.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/20/15 at 03:14:08 Here is the best/clearest source material on the state of the oil industry today -- note that natural gas is one of the forces bringing down the price of gasoline as natural gas is approaching half the cost per therm compared to oil/gasoline. It isn't an accident my house heats with natural gas ...... http://www.blackrock.com/corporate/en-us/literature/whitepaper/us-shale-boom-us-version.pdf

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by raydawg on 02/20/15 at 10:04:36 I quit believing anything they oil lobby's/proponents say re: oil after they and the secret handshake and winkers pushed unleaded fuel upon us. I vividly remember the pitch that it is cheaper, less refining needed, and better for the environment, than the real juice. It did start out being cheaper, as opposed to ethyl,  but as the emissions facade began to flex it muscle, and mandates took effect into Detroit builds/products, they abandoned  their earlier claims and justified price increases as it took more crude to produce the lead free crap.... Sadly, it is a commodity, and price will always fluctuate accordingly, but price fixing sure ain't no solution either  :-X I think we sure make everyone ride a thumper  :-*

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/20/15 at 18:18:23 I'd settle for making them stop thumping riders.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/21/15 at 04:09:36 http://media.idownloadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/apple-car-concept.jpg This and the other electrics are coming, you know. I wouldn't be investing in new refineries either ......

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Pine on 02/22/15 at 08:16:53 Just doing my own guessing here, but I suspect that LENR will help to quicken the pace of electrics (cars) versus actually being used in the car. The current electric infrastructure seems wrong for electric cars, but toss an independent LENR refuling station into the mix... now thats something different. As for LENR and radiation ...pfffffffffft. Current thought is that every florescent bulb ever made was in fact a demonstration of the LENR principle. And the government has already FORCED CF bulbs on everyone as the RIGHT thing to do. What they gonna do? outlaw the only bulb allowed by LAW? Nope... LENR could be called Voodoo Death Juice and it still could not be shut down ( by anti-nuke).

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by old_rider on 02/22/15 at 10:39:52 Yes the electric car does not burn fuel.... but charging the battery on the car requires "power" to come from somewhere and more often than not it is from a power company. Depending on how that power is produced is how big an impact on the environment the electric car will actually be, and that (along with other things) is what is holding up the production. It is not just the fact that there are few charging stations, or that the mileage of the electric car is under 200 miles, and the battery production process uses chemicals bad for the environment, it is a little bit of all of it together. This article in gizmag is one comparison (dino vrs electric).... all environmental studies are kind of one sided, so it hard to put it all together to find out how we should lessen the "impact" of our daily footprint. http://www.gizmag.com/empa-study-environmental-impact-electric-car/16181/

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/01/15 at 12:26:41 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/03/01/bob-greenyer-reports-on-visit-to-parkhomov-in-moscow/ The American and Russian open source communities on LENR are actively cooperating together to open up the details of LENR functionality and to obliviate the chances of anyone getting a patent lock upon the idea.   Parkhomov's method is different from Rossi's and from the others, but he arrives at the same end A LOT CHEAPER THAN THE OTHER GUYS CAN DO.   There is no fantastically expensive anything associated with a Parkhomov rig, just simple robust Russian type design and implementation. http://https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11037340_930668730297160_4936459989672955274_n.jpg?oh=7eb37bfaac2d47208917a40ef088e7fb&oe=55851130&__gda__=1433931098_3d0c89fc309f93cef25c922951afcb36 "Dr. Alexander Parkhomov’s new reactor/heater set-up, simplifies reactor core manufacture as the heater is effectively a separate tube furnace. The K-Type thermocouple is attached to the outside of the simplified core . . . The core tube is 10mm diameter, with a wall thickness of 2.5mm, more than twice the wall thickness of our “Bang!” reactor." With FOUR independent Open Source labs now working in parallel progress will go a lot quicker --- soon there will be dozens of labs working on it, actively leapfrogging off the progress made by the others. Notice how Parkhomov took the MFM Foundation exterior heater and incorporated it -- them good ideas do spread around,  now don't they?   This is why Open Source moves so quickly to the best solution possible, then consistently REFINES it to make it better and cheaper. If the US gov Nuclear Regulatory Agency does take the stance LENR isn't nuclear since nobody can prove any breakdown components, no radiation nor any fusion effects or after products -- so far just some isotopic shifting within the same element is all that can be actually reliably be proven to be going on -- then the barriers to rapid commercial deployment will be lowered significantly because it AIN'T NUCLEAR. Parkhomov heater cores don't sound all threatening, now do they?   Sounds like it is about as dangerous as a quartz high efficiency light bulb in your bedside reading lamp or the florescent light bulb in the kitchen or your mercury vapor flood light on the porch, and it is about that complicated too. ;)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/02/15 at 19:23:25 http://https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11037340_930668730297160_4936459989672955274_n.jpg?oh=7eb37bfaac2d47208917a40ef088e7fb&oe=55851130&__gda__=1433931098_3d0c89fc309f93cef25c922951afcb36 http://https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11043040_931342816896418_4531602178363656119_n.jpg?oh=ae05d0c66e214d6a420048b7ec4b7f3d&oe=5578685A&__gda__=1431113707_d57c921bad3e8c990501a198304faddc Yep, that little slug of nickel powder got HOT -- so hot it took out the double thickness ceramic tube from quick onset thermal stress.   Run-aways are not considered a failure when you are this early on, it shows you got too much heat produced in too short of a time, not just a bunch of nuttin' this time around but way way too much of something that came on real real fast. Now that you got it, you can now learn how to slow it down ..... Good news from the Parkhomov test is the broken reactor tube costs about $10 and all of the expensive pieces (the tube heater, resistance wire, etc.) were unharmed and remain intact for the next test.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/05/15 at 07:10:24 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/03/05/close-up-of-a-melted-parkhomov-reactor/ Closeup of a Melted Parkhomov Reactor http://https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10953378_932985486732151_7241744505946039830_n.jpg?oh=9492f0b791195a82ea23e4071776d38d&oe=557A39E1&__gda__=1434797928_a94c67cac4c4272592e62918ccd18198 Rossi always said he spent over a year melting the puppies down before he figured out how to control the reaction ...... :D

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/18/15 at 04:26:49 http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/IMG_20150317_084823_361.jpg Since the last post there have been 4 brand new Parkhomov replications all ending in a meltdown in 4 different labs scattered across the globe.   In all cases, the puppy lit up and showed excess energy while slowly ramping up into an uncontrolled melt down event.   (this is melting alumina ceramic, which takes some melting, believe me) The scientific community now believes it is possible and is batting around theories and is trying to control it.    Rossi simply says he spent a year and a half melting stuff down before he learned to control it ..... We got one set of guys heating theirs up in a tube oven and running 2 tests simultaneously testing different mixtures to see if they can come up with something controllable.   They are ordering monitoring equipment to run 4 tests at a time.   We got another set of guys using a clear quartz tube so they can slo mo record the melt down event and try to understand the progression and stages if possible -- the quartz tube is trashed per recording experiment, but so would be an opaque alumina ceramic tube. The race is on.   Knowledge is being shared on the internet. The USPatentOffice has final denied Rossi's Patent Application flatly stating he hasn't got a process according to the information in his application.  Rossi is either going to have to spell out his technique completely or the stuff goes open source as WAY TOO MANY have competing claims and some of the old ones claim "prior art" at this point, and as soon as a FOSS technique is described on line anyway it becomes unpatentable. FACT:   all attempts I have seen at all are hot cat style Rossi copies.    FACT:  Rossi's steam cat uses a different set up and different tech and works at a completely different temperature range and he has never shared any info on the steam cat, ever.   Rossi may yet patent his steam technique as that is the only thing he has fully developed and can prove is "only his". Right now Rossi is going to go commercial with the steam cat, maintaining his secrecy as his secret mix and steam control system is the only tech he still has under his sole control. I suspect all the people working on hot cat LENR will come up with yet a new way to control the reaction as they are also developing a theory to match what they discover and may wind up understanding it better than Rossi does now. IT IS THEORIZED that Rossi tossed the "unworkable" hot cat over to the Lugano boys to do his public demonstration with as he had run out of ideas to control the hot cat process at high COP values ---  and he could only run it controllably at all at the  "just barely running stage" under constant excitement as the Lugano test was done. However, Rossi got surprised by the post run test results on the Lugano run powder since he had expected elemental copper changes to take place and instead the lithium and aluminum and other lower atomic level elements got turned into upper isotope nickel-- and there WAS no copper produced. New stuff, huh ???    Something new all the time ...... Rossi's one year run at the commercial steam plant spends more time "non-excited" now than it does excited and the COP values are over 13 at this stage.    How much higher, he won't say.  The customer is simply looking at his bills from last year and comparing kilowatt hours to run the process and he is very happy supposedly as he is getting a large amount of "free steam" beyond what was expected. Folks theorize that Rossi is using the cooling water input as a controlling variable and is water cooling/quenching the LENR process whenever it verges towards melt down, then turning the excitement back on immediately after temperature goes down below a certain threshold then cutting it off when self-sustain is reached again. In other words, it is all very primitive right now, a balancing act on the edge of melt-down.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/18/15 at 07:35:40 Cars, flight, space, so many started as a balancing act.. This is fun to watch and thank you for your coverage..

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Pine on 03/18/15 at 08:40:57 405F595E43447545754D5F53182A0 wrote: Cars, flight, space, so many started as a balancing act.. This is fun to watch and thank you for your coverage.. AGREED!

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/18/15 at 09:59:42 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/03/18/mfmp-reports-parkhomov-breakthrough-90-minutes-of-excess-heat/ Parkhomov himself just posted one where he used a pressure manometer rig up to see what temp vs pressure was doing inside the vessel at the point of melt down.   He was thinking that high vessel pressure of hydrogen was causing the reactions to run away and maybe folks should be varying their hydrogen pressure as a control element (or at least put an "even pressure release valve" on the chamber). He posted positive results with a 90 minute plus COP 4+ experiment that did not end in a melt down.   Tomorrow he will attempt a restart, the first ever seen apart from Rossi if it works right.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/18/15 at 10:17:34 Boyles law, makes sense..

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/19/15 at 08:44:32 http://https://leto40h.storage.yandex.net/rdisk/b6e4da4bf501fb32cc235c732e0e00c4903c59ef06b063361f360e951ee31b21/inf/pVV60jCDeFOD0d771-LcYErwbNRj7a_3-hfCjYh_JQMZi1RXtYTT5ysKfb3E9Q9XzYFpCk7QbH_RzTAixUl6Rw==?uid=0&filename=%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE_%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B0%20%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8_2.jpg&disposition=inline&hash=&limit=0&content_type=image%2Fjpeg&tknv=v2&rtoken=876553fcd08c3e4d9acc94b407c85688&force_default=no “Finally able to make long-term working reactor. The temperature of 1200 ° C is reached at 23:30 on March 16 after a 12-hour gradual heating and lasts until now. Heater power of 300 W, COP = 3. For the first time successfully managed to mount a pressure gauge installation. With slow heating, the maximum pressure of 5 bar at 200 ° C was reached, and then the pressure was reduced at a temperature of about 1000C to become negative. The most powerful vacuum of about 0.5 bar at a temperature of 1150 ° C " Well, the hydrogen goes somewhere, into the metal lattice probably and it winds up with a negative pressure approaching a vaccum. There is a very slow heat up requirement to keep things from going nuts ..... They are learning, and sharing and making progress.       :) Two paths have been taken to keep the powder from melting down and stopping the reaction.   Doctoring the mix with other substances to dilute (or cap) the upper limit of temperature reached and by physically separating the grains temporarily (a pulse of hydrogen gas from the bottom of a vertical tube of nickel powder agitating the tube as it goes up it). The pulses of gas are said to move heat from hot spots and remix the grains around and give grain surfaces a new neighbor to radiate against. So, getting it to start is fairly easy, but keeping it from melting down is a bitche. Once again, Brillouin reminds everybody he has this all worked out from over 5 years ago, and that his plant is ready for commercial implementation (at over 20 million dollars a pop).   And that he has locked in his control system with HUNDREDS of international patents and three USA patents. This is a good read, it gives details about the reaction not explained elsewhere -- Brillouin is advanced compared to Rossi. http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/New-LENR-Machine-is-the-Best-Yet.html So, if you got a spare 20 mil you can cut to the chase with Brillouin.   Or you can let all the little guys and the universities across the planet chase it around and come up with something simpler and easier to do that will be open source when they are done with it. Rossi's system is mixed powders, static, with fine control of each individual smallish reactor.   Brillouin (which has never built even a part scale plant nor run against a real varying load yet) says he can do it better, but has very high costs for the next step. Rossi built what he has off 11 million of input capital.   Brillouin has stepped through 20 million in funding and still has no partial scale plant up and running. As soon as enough is known, expect businesses to start private research on their own aimed at commercial products ASAP since even at a COP of three commercial/residential space heating and low pressure wet steam become fruitful fields of implementation. Over a COP of 10, power generation becomes possible.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/20/15 at 11:45:35 First report today of a tungsten powder system reaching exothemic ranges of output. Why important?   Can run at very high temps without melting and its final waste product is gold ....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/22/15 at 18:39:53 Update from Parkhomov (new details) "Dr. Parkhomov reports that the target temperature of 1200ºC in the fuelled reactor was achieved by the time the electric power had reached around 600 W (in contrast to 1070 W needed to reach 1200ºC in the dummy). Then within an hour, the regulator had decreased the input power to just 330 W to maintain the same 1200ºC. Approximately, this has been the power required to during the whole operation of the reactor. The thermocouple is fixed on surface of tube with fuel in the middle of the tube. Operation of the reactor was interrupted due to a heater burn-out at 10:50 on March 20 (Moscow time). Fortunately though, the tube with fuel wasn’t damaged. When a replacement heater was used, the reactor RESTARTED!! at 11:10 on March 21 and works still. This is the first independent report of high power LENR being able to be cooled down and re-started. It is difficult to grasp the significance of this information. Dr. Parkhomov, Thank you."

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/23/15 at 05:57:37 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/03/22/airbus-files-patent-for-lenr-power-generating-device/ Airbus Defence and Space GmbH has now filed LENR patents on LENR applications for plane and space purposes. The Navy/JWK Cold Fusion patent #US8419919 B1 "System and Method for Generating Particles" granted 7/3/2013 is just the beginning of people filing patents on application areas. Now this is something. Airbus combined a lot of previous work, with a few touches and fix-ups and low and behold, a LENR patent application from Airbus Defence and Space GmbH, Airbus Operations GmbH and Astrium GmbH. This ought to raise the hair on world awareness that LENR has burst upon the scene. All that is necessary now is every time a energy related article appears during one's perusals of energy news, to comment that the German Industries involved in air transport already applied for an LENR patent. I see some new signs that folks have been playing with Tungsten again ..... The amount of top secret work that has been done on LENR is just beginning to peep out from behind the curtain.   Governments, major aerospace vendors, large Japanese industrial conglomerates --- yet no patents have been actually granted by the USA Patent Office, nor by the Japanese Patent Office.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/23/15 at 06:16:37 Fast and dirty way to get all the LENR metals to react.   Saturate the metal powder with hydrogen in a separate chamber.  Inject/spray the metal flakes into a standard water based plasma welder jet stream -- it makes a very nasty cutting torch and potentially could make a reaction engine for space travel. High efficiency on a one shot use, makes a TON of light which can be held inside a photovoltaic chamber and turned into electricity. Not a slow release process at all,  makes a huge burst of light and heat -- just a different way to skin the LENR kitty cat.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/23/15 at 06:28:23 Ahhh, to dare to allow the heart to hope for the excitement of revolutionary discovery...

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 03/23/15 at 13:57:34 6241494B484141485F2D0 wrote: I see some new signs that folks have been playing with Tungsten again ..... The amount of top secret work that has been done on LENR is just beginning to peep out from behind the curtain.   Governments, major aerospace vendors, large Japanese industrial conglomerates --- yet no patents have been actually granted by the USA Patent Office, nor by the Japanese Patent Office. So do we buy futures in tungsten or sell short in gold? Or just watch? and the one process that's worth it's weight in platinum... the one that converts radioactive waste to inert materials.   Wasn't that Rossi's original goal?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Flint on 03/23/15 at 17:54:16 2E0D0507040D0D0413610 wrote: Fast and dirty way to get all the LENR metals to react.   Saturate the metal powder with hydrogen in a separate chamber.  Inject/spray the metal flakes into a standard water based plasma welder jet stream -- it makes a very nasty cutting torch and potentially could make a reaction engine for space travel. High efficiency on a one shot use, makes a TON of light which can be held inside a photovoltaic chamber and turned into electricity. Not a slow release process at all,  makes a huge burst of light and heat -- just a different way to skin the LENR kitty cat. If it makes a ton of light you could use it to pulse a LASER perhaps.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/23/15 at 18:52:02 Brillouin will sell you some stock, Rossi will not (and his backers have tried to buy back all the licenses that Rossi sold over the years). ================= Thorium reactors will consume nuclear waste at a very slow add rate,   What they really do is take the transuranics and build them up and break them down as part of the normal thorium reactor cycle, turning them from 10,000 year deadlies into 300-400 year deadlies.   Once "poisoned" with nuclear waste a thorium reactor will always be a 300-400 year affair, but it can remove nuclear waste instead of adding more thorium rock. Slow, but it is the only nuclear waste removal game in town right now. If left virgin, with just thorium ore added and waste rock skimmed off the top the reactor can be run for 30 years before it gets sluggish, then the hole in the ground can be filled in over the top of the reactor and it just left in place.   After 100 years it would be safe to be around.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/27/15 at 09:33:07 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/03/27/parkhomov-report-thread-agp-speaks-at-seminar-in-moscow-mar-26/   Parkhomov stands up at a scientific seminar, shows his details and his data and PASSES OUT HIS FORMULA OF "pelletized safe" LENR POWDER in small envelopes along with short stacks of printed "how to do it" information, including where to buy everything.   All of this in Russian, of course.     Lugano has been essential duplicated independently at this time.   Parkhomov has open sourced the entire hot-cat process. top graph is input energy on bottom, output energy on tophttp://https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/4aujl6y8cg4dpdfj/images/6-20129b7e96.png bottom graph is pressure plotted against initial heat up temperature The Russian LENR guys as a group are leaps and miles ahead of the Americans now --- we also note that the Chinese Bureau of Energy people were there and stayed afterwards to talk to Parkhomov. The Russians have oil and natural gas resources to protect against devaluation (and as such may see some negative pressure put on them) but the Chinese do not have enough resources internal to China, so they should welcome LENR with open arms.   China is actively developing Thorium reactors and LENR and everything else that is out there to try. Look for folks to try to patent what they can of their newly developed WORKS MUCH BETTER control methods and higher efficiency powders and hot cat designs -- wonder how far they can go before they actually bump up into Brillouin's control patents ??? Since the USA will not grant patents on this subject (by policy) American heating companies can go to town with this as soon as it develops into a completely durable stable safety rated process. The Chinese will have millions & millions of units shipped by the time Americans ever get a UL cert on a LENR heater system.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/30/15 at 05:50:51 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/03/30/cold-fusion-by-2020-olympics-clean-planet-inc-and-tohoku-university-launch-clean-energy-lenr-research-lab/ Parkhomov's demonstration and passing out of packets of powder and instruction sheets kicks off a  wave of University level research programs in various countries.    The Japanese pick a mantra (always gotta have a mantra in Japan you know) with the prize to be given out at the 2020 Olympics games opening ceremony. The New Fire catches to the twigs now.    (we like analogies and catch phrases more than  mantras,I guess -- must be our advertising industries influence on us when we were young)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/30/15 at 05:56:28 There is some evidence that using just hydrogen gas under mild pressure and giving some time to allow the gas to naturally get into the metal surface will allow the reaction to start up at lower temps.   Still gets hot to the same degree though as naturally you want the thing to get up near the nickel melt point to be most efficient. This partially explains the cold cats ..... A book has been published now on what is known up to this point, suitable for use as a college level text book. http://https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/4aujl6y8cg4dpdfj/images/3-04e60bfd25.jpg Also notice the new heat shield affair over the actual hot cat fuel chamber -- expect to see this item on any commercial unit as it acts as an explosion safety shield and as a neutron/radiation shield  should anything ever be released during a run.     So far any incidental stray items released have been extremely low energy and would be stopped cold by a layer of tin foil, so the sheet steel "explosion shield" is more than ample to act as a radiation barrier. UL considerations will also have to be included in any finished commercialization efforts. :)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/30/15 at 06:57:37 Rossi has released some info that suggests he has COP of well over 10 going on at the 1 megawatt steam plant. He has taken a quarter of his units off line at a time and has still been able to keep up with the original OEM's steam volume and pressure requirements.   This confirms massive progress has taken place past the 3.0 COP he started with. Start and restart have gotten routine and are programmed into the controllers. He is now experimenting with low pressure steam power generation using a single off line 3 core cell to provide a "small steam generation station" coupled to a stirling radial style engine/generator.   https://youtu.be/tq0QUp6LyCo           click on it -- its a movie and here is a pic of a radial unit that has been actually been produced      and sold https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8YYl-eAwmaCdNh9g3KOhh5yphh9-1CbxUm8PEBcXjZlcOt_RLNg ::)     don't drool at the pic -- it is a commercial home natural gas Beacon 10 generator as produced by Dean Kamen and Elon Musk.   The E-cat version would likely be about the same size whenever it comes about (about as big as a washing machine).    This unit could at least partially power your house, provide you with hot water and sell power back to the public utility when it has excess capacity (ie at night). http://blogs-images.forbes.com/christopherhelman/files/2014/07/stirling.jpg

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/15 at 03:22:17 There are over a dozen sites world-wide doing Hot Cat work now, patterned after Parkhomov's simple unit and using his powder mix as a starting point. People are enthusiastically melting down their first units, striving for their first controlled reaction.  And they are talking and sharing information. Rossi melted stuff down for over a year before he got it. His hints led Parkhomov to his first sustained no melt (and his first restart) after only 4-6 tries. It becomes obvious that the intellectual forces arrayed against this technology are not able to hold it back any longer and the progress is beginning to accelerate as more people set up their rigs and try it out. "Monetization of the idea" also acts as a deterrent, as some voices go quiet as soon as they "get it" and another little company is formed and patent request for a new application trick hits the patent office.   All are being denied as soon as they are filed. More big players are becoming visible now, players that have had prior knowledge for a while and are pushing forward towards commercial applications.   This includes folks loosely attached to government agencies (DARPA, NASA, etc).   Ditto for the Japanese, they have nearly 10 years of detailed knowledge out of Sony and Mitsubishi  that is just now slowly leaking out. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission is sticking with their mantra "No radiation seen, not our bailiwick" -- indeed by their definition LENR is not nuclear anything, it is a naturally occurring isotopic shift process that is being augmented by pulsed AC excitement. In its Parkhomov simplicity (with all of Rossi's smoke and mirrors removed) LENR is a simple high melt ceramic tube with some very high temp resistance heater coils around it and a TINY bit of powdered nickel and a hydrogen source (gaseous or chemical).   Parkhomov literally does it at a table inside his apartment where he lives. Why?   It cuts down on his heating bill, of course.    He's relatively underpaid, not stupid. Brillouin's theory is that the nickel is used as a solid matrix for the isotopic electron stair stepping and the temporary formation of neutrons from protons (which then break down and release lots of energy that is converted into heat before it even leaves the nickel lattice where it was generated).   The trick seems to be able to involve lighter elements that are doped (particles bump into each other and a tiny bit is rubbed off and added to the matrix)  and march these atoms of lighter material on up into being upper isotope nickel as part of the repeated cycle of reactions. Brillouin floats his nickel powder on pulses of hydrogen gas from a pulse pump inside a vertical tube, and he uses flow/pulse rate as one of his methods of keeping the reaction from running away.  He uses a LOT of nickel powder agitated and "floating" on these gas pulses and a very mild electromagnetic excitement instead of the massive AC excitement and resistance heat from a hot cat set up.  Brillouin constantly refreshes the powder in his vertical tube, allowing him to remove any "ash" products ongoing. 20 million per license will get Brillouin talking to you, so pony up boys .....   or wait for all the eager little guys to figure out a hot cat basis that doesn't cost but a couple of hundred dollars to build. How many ways are there to skin a Cat?   Half a dozen so far, from one shot plasma jet rigs to Hot Cats to Brillouin gas floated tubes --- and there are more ideas out there to be sure. Rossi will have reached "proven commercialization" by the end of this year and he says he can run a one megawatt containerized rig with one on-site trained customer technician using internet based augmentation from his own people as needed. Hot water heating systems have been around for centuries, so it is easy to see a Rossi hot water space heating plant being a very real commercialization of his current ideas.     Now that Rossi has COP of over 10, he could do a Beacon type power generation station with the hot water space heating as a byproduct.   He is generating "wet steam" now, so he could run a low efficiency piston steam generator as well. Beacon type stirling engines could use a red hot glowing Hot CAT directly, if folks can figure out how to run them at that level without melting them down -- in a very long term fashion.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/06/15 at 04:18:29 Wow,,  what are you doing? You don't have some secret Crazy Old Coot corner with experiments you're running, do you? Amazing stuff, how they figured out what to add, powdered nickel,, geezer Louise, what a neat science lab.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/15 at 04:40:34 Me, I cruise the net, just like you do, I just cruise interesting places and repost the tidbits here. Check the post reader count on the ChromeWars thread -- there are a lot of folks being led to that thread by Google (who lists it when you search one of  the topics covered).   Our little group didn't read that thing over 5,000 times to be sure. SuzukiSavage.com gets "crawled" by Google and we get used as "an information source" for lots of stuff that we discuss here. Remember, always list your source material up at the top of the thread.   This gives your posts credibility and since you are only interpreting (or putting a conceptual spin) on the information contained in the source material you can be relatively kosher. If you follow something, you can predict it after a while.   I do, and I hit the mark better than 50% of the time.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/06/15 at 04:47:20 Yeah, I used to follow politics and economic stuff...

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/08/15 at 21:34:30 Well, in the last week Rossi co-wrote and published a technical paper in concert with a real nuclear physicist who provided his base knowledge of current nuclear theory -- a paper that says E-cat requires no new chemical or nuclear theory to explain its function. Here is the synopsis of the current state of LENR affairs, written by Hank Mills who is very talented in explaining exoteric stuff in good simple terms real people can follow along with. http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/04/08/rossi-defines-high-temperature-e-cat-recipe-hank-mills/ This well written little ditty is well worth the 3-5 minutes it will take you to read it.     The Hot Cat really is a very simple device that can run off a controller managed 120 volt AC wall current ..... .... and you could very easily make a home room heater out of it.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Pine on 04/13/15 at 08:25:25 BTW i am still following this as well (your posts)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/13/15 at 09:02:18 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/04/13/tom-dardens-speech-on-lenr-at-iccf19/ http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/darden1.jpg Rossi was busy with his steam plant, so the head dog at Industrial Heat/Cherokee came out to give the keynote address instead. This man was up front -- he is not a scientist, just a businessman with a dream of getting rid of pollution.   And he is and has been doing something about his dream. .... click on it and read it .... http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/04/13/tom-dardens-speech-on-lenr-at-iccf19/

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/20/15 at 10:12:49 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/04/17/iccf19-day-1-april-13-2015-live-thread/ At the same show a live demonstration with full data monitoring and live feed worldwide was set up and run for the entire length of the show.   Parkhomov powder was used and his simplified (no Rossi smoke and mirrors) set up was used on a MFMP dogbone rig. Doubting Thomas types were invited to "find the hidden wire" and do all their normal debunking stuff, and indeed a few refinements to the rig were done to remove the very few "all suspicions" as found by the professional debunkers.   An additional thermocouple was run to a doubters own recording device so there is no chance of a manipulation going on without getting caught. Then the sucker got run for the whole week of the show, and will be run the week after that, and the week after that and it will be still running when it gets turned off to get packed up for the plane. Requests for experimental answers to questions were taken on the spot and the rig was manipulated in the fashions that were asked -- yielding immediate answers to the person's questions. There is no secrecy about this stuff -- what is known is known by all.        What you see is what you get. The 120 volt room heater application is pretty much a known deal right now for half price (or less) house heating and it will only get better and better as the cycling gets more advanced and the powder mix and the excitement gets more refined.    Rossi claims his SSM is very very very long now (Mats Lewan mentions that some cells have run without outside current heating for months now).   Rossi has incorporated a EM excitement using something separate from the main heater wires and that may be in motion but the heaters are confirmed to be off. (yes, select people are getting to visit the plant now to talk to Rossi, so it is obviously real and so are the results) As they learn how to run the process on "guidance flux" the amount of watts needed to maintain control will get less and less and less.   Having to provide the excitement flux using the main heater wire seems sorta like overkill in hindsight.   Plus the frequency does count and limiting yourself to chopped 60 cycle AC (and using the harmonics for excitement) seems old fashioned and ignorant already. Brillouin and Rossi both knew this already.   All of Brillouin's patents are about his gas float system and his EM control system after all. After this show, with all the players there for a week eating meals together and chatting along with reporters etc there is no doubt that LENR is real and it is HERE now. Nor is there any doubt about how to do a 120 volt wall powered dogbone type rig.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/21/15 at 08:35:00 This is a video, click on it to see a Russian fox wearing sunglasses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WgZ0MWTYW4 OK, the old white haired dude (70 years old) is Parkhomov, the young fox in the shades is his granddaughter who is translating for pops while showing the reporter the data flow on her phone. Dammnit, boys -- we are watching the world change in a very positive direction and it is happening right now out on the internet, made possible by open source and old geezers just like us who are being actively supported by our grandkids. I am blessed, I got to live through the apex of American age, see men walk on the moon and got to see the world pivot from the Petroleum age to the LENR age. :)    I will have me a LENR room heater before I die, you betcha !!! ======================= Conversation at the show with one of the ones who have visited Rossi gives out a tidbit of info -- some individual cells have cranked out COP of 80, so the range now is 20-80 COP. Is it understood completely and reproducible?   Not right now, but anything observed will eventually be able to be done and the bottom end of 20 COP is plenty good enough to do in house power generation. Brillouin has only claimed COP of 20 for his most current big rig, so consider this as "state of the art" at the moment, with some hopes of some greatly increased COP values in the future. Considering we are at the prototype --- Pre-Model A ---  level of commercial roll out, that is very very very good for right now.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Pine on 04/21/15 at 10:52:24 SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just in time as the US ( EPA) I hear is screwing with water heaters for more efficiency... (ie large price increase, minimal efficiency gains) .

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/24/15 at 05:42:34 http://https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/s350x350/11148322_960942667269766_9070543772758447770_n.jpg?oh=a94dfa454c3f11e0f88633d0dc7f2fac&oe=55A35A1D ..... and like any show, there were vendors there hawking nickel powder mixes ..... Seriously, for all that attended they say it was like an air of excitement because it was all just sitting out there, glowing in the background and all the doers were there and so were the skeptics (mostly not saying who they were, but they were there). This was the first international LENR show ever, and it was a rousing success.   Next year they will need a much bigger place for all the manufacturers and product lines and demos, etc.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/24/15 at 09:32:51 The magnitude of this discovery is not yet known, but unless someone goes to great lengths to sink it, IF it IS what it is looking to be, it's gonna be the biggest thing since electrical service available to homes. Is that redundant?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/24/15 at 19:50:22 Justin, take it just for only those applications claimed for it right now -- wet steam production and dry radiant or convection heating at a COP level of 4 to  ~ 20 COP ~ level  (four-five times better than natural gas).     Yes, LENR will be significant and yes it is obviously becoming very very real. All the tester boys have radiation detectors going all the time and very occasionally a low energy emission is seen, something that could be stopped by a sheet of aluminum foil.   One could argue that random cosmic rays going through the ceiling would kick up enough secondary radiation to give the same sort of occasional rare weak reading on the detectors, but caution is the name of the game right now, so let's all say it came from the dogbone itself.     So shield it -- easy enough to do. The sheet metal shields that are over the dogbones lately in case of an overpressure event or a melt down event will also do double duty as radiation shields for such emissions.   I would think commercial units would stay behind layers of sheet metal all the time being inside a heating plant, so that would work out well too. Will some country have LENR heaters within a year or so -- certainly.   But with red tape and UL test requirements here in America it will take longer than that just to come up with the "certification test program".   What will happen in all reality is Russia, India and China will all move quicker than the USA will, as will Norway and Sweden and Indonesia and Africa. But we can watch the fun unfold -- and it is obvious that Rossi and Industrial Heat are now letting select people see the 1 megawatt plant, but by non-disclosure agreements only. ========================================== Will the oil and natural gas lobby work against it?   Yes, certainly -- it is already suspected that some "debunk Rossi" troll type internet posters are being paid by someone to cast as much doubt over the process as possible, and we are reminded that one of the early USA pioneers was SHOT DEAD at the end of his parents driveway while picking up the morning paper.     (yeah, shot dead -- that put a halt to people publicizing their research for over 10 years as shooting people is really a sorta extreme form of discouragement, don't you think?) You will notice Rossi was not at the show, his boss was.   Rossi tends to strongly polarize any debate and he has a long history of casting forth red herring tidbits of information instead of really helping "the imitators".   So, Rossi is somewhat of a PR liability, eh, so keep him busy in his container and let the head dog handle it. People trust and like folks like Tom Darden and like Parkhomov -- he is a nice open polite old man with a very cute granddaughter.    So let him be the grandfatherly face of LENR, so who cares really just so it rolls forward smoothly from now on. Trillions and Trillions of spent oil infrastructure money are are at stake right now though, and if you don't think that BIG OIL and BIG GAS is going to try to fight back some to protect their investment, you are kidding yourself.   The futures market is showing down spike volatility as these LENR shows and development milestones come up and go by. Politicians will "want to go slowly" as they get pressured by their campaign contributors, universities will be encouraged not to play at all by these same people. Climactically cold or hungry nations, especially those lacking natural resources will not drag their feet though.   LENR knowledge will progress fairly quickly driven by the net coordinated research that is going on now. ;)    Can't stop it really, it is just too easy to do .... Personally, I am amazed at the amount of DARPA program developed knowledge, the NASA propulsion lab knowledge and the Japanese Industrial Conglomerate based knowledge that is slowly seeping out now.   A lot of this early development stuff is ALREADY KNOWN in detail already. And please remember, our entire ECONOMIC CULTURE is oil based -- so perhaps going slowly is a smart thing.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/25/15 at 07:14:51 http://c.shld.net/rpx/i/s/i/spin/10006459/prod_1369659312?hei=444&wid=444&op_sharpen=1 This form of convection heater uses a water heater type electric element to heat a light non-evaporating oil inside heater, which then heats the air by convection. Plug in a hot cat or a steam cat derivative (resized a bit since the steam cat units are all industrial sized right now) and you could have a properly dampened and shielded steady state running system that you could put in a cold spot in your house and just let it run all winter long. Sized to heat a singe room, one or more of these at the thermal low spots of your house could carry the largest part of your ongoing winter heating load, simply letting your old central heat system kick in at night just enough to circulate the air and maintain the temperature setting for the whole house when it gets colder. A hot cat could go into a central core area just like the electric unit does now and just sit there glowing red hot inside a triple walled set of formed steel enclosures (first enclosure is the outside of the core itself, second is the walls of the core area, third enclosure is the outer form of the convection radiator surface).   This would be low energy radiation proof, certainly much better than the raw units that are being run now. A steam cat type core already has the first and second wall of shielding, so you might have it go into the liquid itself if you wanted to put up with a sealing gasket.   Me, I'd avoid that and let it run inside a solid walled core area keeping it separated from the oil. Power requirement would run like the Parkhomov unit does now, 1200 watts to heat it up initially, then 300 watts or less to maintain output at the set level.   Funny thing is that this same "1200 watts to heat it up" could be used in a sequential fashion to heat up multiple hot cat cores sequentially in a larger style heater unit but you'd still have to pay the 200-300 watts ongoing for the control system power usage per core.   Plus since they know now that commercial cores would likely be "started up" initially at the plant (each unit must be tested after all) then restarted once installed in the appliance off MUCH MUCH less startup current/time --- so it can all be cheaper and easier on the end user. Heat your house for the cost of running your toaster for a hour or so, then it drops back to the cost of a couple of light bulbs for on-going control purposes.   This sounds good to me. :)    .... yeah, LENR room heaters are on the way as we speak, built by Kenmore and others just like electrical heaters are done now.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/27/15 at 09:50:16 We mentioned Parkhomov style powder mix being for sale at the show last week, right? Here is the first of the immediate wave of replications that are now being done. http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Firax2-1024x574.jpg As you can see, this guy used a clear quartz crystal tube so he could take close up pics and video of the thing lighting off so folks can try to understand it better.    What he discovered was a new cheaper light bulb that does free room heating at the same time --- a very bright light.   He has nick named it "little sun".    If you put a photocell equipped reflector behind it you could get ongoing small amounts of power off the photocell, making  up the potential of a self-sustaining self powered control system ..... as well as getting lots of light and ample room heat off of it. And when you wanted to go to sleep, just shut the front swinging door which is also a photocell and let it be dark and still generate heat and power (store that in a battery of course) while you are sleeping. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaA1lUTSY6Y     it is a YouTube movie, click on it. It takes forever to watch it ramp up, so just click it by quarters to see the short version of the "little sun" lighting up for the first time.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by old_rider on 04/30/15 at 20:24:57 I don't know... both meters are going up (amps and volts?) throughout the brightening procedure. Were they not supposed to keep the input at the same level and the power output/heat raise? I could put a bulb on a circuit and turn it up until it blew out.... I see no significant use for this... other than testing the mixtures heat resistance.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/01/15 at 02:52:16 He has gotten lots of suggestions, including him needing a recording lumen meter since he is sending a lot of his output energy out as visible light while all the previous solid ceramic tubes kept all the light inside and released it all as heat, which is easier to measure. He did no calibration run at all prior to doing his test -- he just wanted to see what would happen.   A very "preliminary explorations" sort of test, to be sure.  Post mortem says his loosely wound wire coils moved on him due to thermal expansion and shorted out, so  next time that needs some improvement also. He did discover the "little sun" effect, so his test was good for something. This guy did build a LENR unit that showed the signs of a positive COP (when the little sun lit up the rate of increase in the amps required started to flatten out then began to rise again later when the temps got over 950 degrees) but since he output his energy both as light and as heat and he lacked a calibration run (and the light part of his gaging) his experiment was rendered "inconclusive".   Nobody really knows if he hit a positive COP or not. I suspect he will try it again with some improvements.   However, if his measurement stuff is limited to what you saw he likely will not be making "conclusive" results on his next trials either. But yeah, this stuff is easy enough to do that guys can do it on the kitchen table with stuff they have on hand. And clear quartz glass tubes do work, apparently. .... and them theory boys need to show photons being emitted from their reactions now too.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/02/15 at 07:26:40 Back to Rossi and his steam plant -- he has granted trips to people and they are allowed to begin talking about it.  At least the second hand people are talking about it -- they didn't sign non-disclosures personally you know. Another comment about sources visiting the 1MW plant currently under test by Rossi from the Sifferkol website run by Torkel Nyberg ( see here http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/?p=626:  ) “I know first hand from very reliable sources that themselves have visited the Rossi/Industrial Heat E-Cat customer that the plant works very well. This has been verified both by measurements made by the customer and by significantly reduced electricity bills. The plant seems to be able to produce heat from electricity with a COP in the range of 20-80 depending on the level of self-sustain-mode applied. I guess that is what Rossi is working on right now.” Rossi himself is blog-leaking that he is getting these 80-ish COPs by using a neat trick with his 4 reactors in a steel enclosure by using the outside units under PLC control to "excite" the center units without driving them directly in any fashion.   So, about half his cores are producing "free heat" for really free, or for greatly reduced electrical cost, take your pick. Some of his center reactors haven't seen direct excitation in 4 months or more ....   Rossi's next installation will hit closer to 80 COP from the get-go since he only invented this trick after several months of running the old plant full out. (He probably found it accidentally when a PLC in a center core went bad but the reactions and the good output continued anyway) ;D Still, 80 COP can run a car or anything else that has enough room for multiple clustered small reactors.   Control the middle units to sway the rest ..... I suspect Rossi is doing some new designs based on this usage model as we speak.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/03/15 at 08:57:03   ::) Watch this and tell me that NASA hasn't been working on this stuff for a while.   This flick was released along with an aeronautical engineering journal publication news brief of a short successful test run of a prototype engine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy0kHQASsX8        it is a short video, click on it to watch it Here is my point -- BILLIONS are being spent by DARPA, NASA and others to chase wild arsed dreams.   Somebody just spent 100 Million Dollars on a 100 ton magnet for a fusion engine prototype that has a proposed total COP of 3 and only a very small chance of success. Stop funding stupid arsed projects and instead fund something cheap that already shows it works .....  fund a Brillouin reactor for 20 million if you want some expensive pie in the sky stuff, but fund something that is much closer to WORKING.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/15 at 18:07:32 If you believe that the goal is to spend wisely,,,,

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/16/15 at 20:57:09 I don't wanna hijack, but it's dropped off the front page, so, ill pop this in here and see if we can revive it. http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/05/13/the-top-8-conspiracy-theories-that-are-turning-out-to-be-true/ Over Unity Energy Despite many people opposing this idea, constantly citing the law of conservation of energy, multiple papers have been published in various peer reviewed journals showing that yes, extracting energy from the vacuum is possible. You can find these in the articles linked below. “The concept that efficiencies cannot be greater than 100% is due to an incomplete understanding of the properties of space. The second law of thermodynamics must be modified to account for the fact that space is not empty, as has been taught for the last 150 years.” – Toby Grotz, engineer and researcher of new energy technologies since 1973 Collective Evolution has been lucky enough to have been covering a story, and working with Toby Grotz and Paramahamsa Tewari, to help create more awareness about this. Tewari has invented an over-unity machine. We have assisted them in building the website and we are extrememly honored to help spread the word: tewari.org We encourage all those who are reading this to check it out. Do you really think that these brilliant scientists and engineers would devote their entire lives to something that did not show potential, or something that is not real? This concept is, again, still faced with fierce resistance, but this will all change, and for the sake of the planet it has to, so stay tuned! You can view pictures of the machine at the link to the site above. It won’t be long until we are showing you a video of it ourselves. tes Related CE Articles on this topic where you can find out more information: Breaking News: Over-Unity Reactionless Generator Invented In India Why There Will Be No Supression Of New Energy Technology World Renowned Physicist Explains The Reality Of Free Energy Multiple Scientists Confirm The Reality Of Free Energy The site has the last four as hotlinks. NO, Homer, not That kinda hotlinks..

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/17/15 at 02:36:21 Justin, The E-Cat and Hot Cat technologies are being quietly developed as commercial implementations by Rossi, Industrial Heat and the Cherokee Energy Consortium.   The E-Cat is a wet steam generator and the Hot Cat is a room heater.  Since they have to spend a full year in controlled 100% recorded testing per implementation type just to apply to get the needed safety approvals to sell the stuff, they are quietly going about doing just that. All US patents for all parties have been denied at this point in time -- that is a dry well and will be have to be settled in court after the fact.    Right now Parkhomov has open sourced all his work on the Hot Cat type of dogbone reactor anyway and Rossi (obviously the real inventor) simply isn't chasing that rabbit any more as it is a complete waste of time. Big Oil is still doing everything possible to deny and decry all of the new energy initiatives.   Solar and Wind is peeking out anyway, but costs to produce solar energy and wind energy are simply not competitive with natural gas and coal generation at this point in time. You have lots of kitchen-table-top guys YouTube posting attempts to do a Parkhomov reactor using Parkhomov supplied powder, with results that are not conclusive because they lack proper instrumentation and controlled power inputs -- several think they got it shortly before it melted down but cannot prove it due to technical lacks in their data recording set ups. Remember, Rossi spent years melting down rigs before he learned how to control it -- he knew it was there because there wasn't NEARLY enough electrical energy available to melt all that stuff in just a few seconds ....  so, you have to give him credit for sticking with it through all the years of frustration, no support and lots and lots and lots of derision. Even Parkhomov had his own equipment issues, he was using a laptop to record his data and it would go into sleep mode and stop recording data (he would have to frantically restart it) so his data has gaps in it and he has now been derided now for splicing the data back together with the 5 minute gaps in his data just plain missing.   He publicly apologized for this splicing and has since then went totally silent as he personally isn't going to put up with the trolls and deriders. Remember, any flaw in your method is a reason to be disbelieved by the doubters. Until there is a stream of independent replications, this development is "still pending" in the eyes of mainstream science.   And until they are forced to believe it, they will not.   ::) I liked the little sun guy, he found out something new -- and it should be possible to calculate the energy output to make that much light and compare it to the input power he was using. Simple rig ups like Parkhomov's water heater rig are simple and easy to measure using standard calorimeter methods -- but please realize that all it takes to discredit (and shame) a good guy like Parkhomov is to blast his honor on a public forum for a MS based equipment failure that put gaps in his data. Paid trolls are vicious critters, and scientists are becoming very careful not to allow the trolls access to their work because the scientists careers can be destroyed very easily by a troll banging on them in public. :-/

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/17/15 at 06:46:06 Thanks for the Readers Digest level response. That's how you hafta talk to me, connect the dots, on this topic. Did you get anything from my post?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/17/15 at 09:25:16 Yeah, I read the stuff but don't report on it because until they get ready to have some other disinterested people replicate their stuff for "independent verification" purposes it isn't likely cooked well enough yet to spend much time on. An example of that is this little nugget .....    http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/05/06/announcement-demonstration-of-steorns-never-die-orbo-power-cube-battery-in-dublin-pub-starting-friday/ Having a bunch of folks charge their cell phones off your magic box doesn't help people believe in it -- you have to take the box apart, show them how to make a box then verify it works off of their box that they created -- that is independent verification. This is why Rossi got no respect at all until Lugano and even then it took Parkhomov doing it himself completely separately using his own powder mix before it was considered even partially verified. But I certainly understand wanting to protect IP that is not patented -- the US Patent office is making this whole sort of thing a lot uglier and harder than it needs to be by their refusal to grant a patent on any "non-standard" energy sources.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/30/15 at 06:21:14 The state of the art on Parkhomov Replications We have had more than a few individuals posting YouTubes of garage jury rigs that have spotty data collection and that are generally run on up until the reaction actually starts some major COP and then instantly melt themselves down in a run-away. It is a repeated theme.   All they have done is verify you can reach an exothermic reaction for a relatively few seconds that obviously goes past what chemistry can do. (unless the rods were packed with thermite, and a larger quantity of thermite than could obviously fit in the small enclosed space).     ..... plus burning thermite has a huge cloud of white smoke associated with it.   All melt downs videoed so  far are smokeless, but do tend to have some sparking going on from the electrical elements melting together and shorting out. Here is a properly MFMP constructed rig that does ongoing "no fuel confirmation" SIMULTANEOUSLY at the same exact time it takes the active data, and it is instrumented well enough to ramp up very very slowly so as to avoid the melt down syndrome. http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/05/28/mfmp-to-start-new-glowstick-test-may-28th-live-thread/ http://https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/4MVfboS9ZHE3VJ9AnJwsqGNC0YZzExp7qLFNEYJPUjgFmZ7zGFlat9UbGBe4WQ6vzjgTN1p00i8NcGWRuddHy2oQe72FtxhUO5m9lDHMFfYI4ehBTDmNDc064XPpQUDBpx-XKJC2pySjWwfx_A This rig is NOT melting down, that is because it is being ramped up sooooo veeery SLLLOOOOWWLLLYY to avoid that problem. It is currently stable at a positive (but low) COP that it can maintain under automatic computer control.    They are discussing where to take it next, or let it run here for a month or so and then break the fuel charge down for analysis. So far they have determined 3 "ramp points" to get to a positive COP and quite frankly they want to know what sort of reactions are going on in there at a just barely positive COP so they will know what actually changes when they go up to the next ramp point. This is real research being done live on the Web by competent people. The group of people staying up 24 hours a day PARTICIPATING in each move of the experiment is also amazing to me. Read the comments (or pop down through the page after page after page of ongoing comments). Two scientists, sleeping in shifts are running the hardware ......   and yes, just like Parkhomov equipment resets and such have put gaps in their data, but since somebody on the web was always watching at that point in time it was all properly documented in the comments. :) They are now asking for volunteers around California to come assist the two guys running the hardware -- simple exhaustion is going to stop the experiment otherwise.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/30/15 at 08:42:13 If I was a young guy who lived there I'd be all over that.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/30/15 at 10:41:18 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/05/30/new-result-of-anomalous-heat-production-in-hydrogen-loaded-metals-at-high-temperature-new-report-by-songsheng-jiang-of-the-china-institute-of-atomic-energy-ciae/ New Result of Anomalous Heat Production in Hydrogen-loaded Metals at High Temperature” New Report by Songsheng Jiang of the China Institute of Atomic Energy (CIAE) https://www.scribd.com/doc/267085905/New-Result-on-Anomalous-Heat-Production-in-Hydrogen-loaded    ..... it is a link, click on it .... "Summary: The anomalous heat production in the Ni+LiAlH4 fuels has been observed repeatedly. The heat production can be controlled by input power and can last for a long time. The T2 temperature placed on the outer surface of the fuel cell is about 405oC greater than the T1 temperature, T1 is placed on the outer surface of the reaction chamber and near the heater. An estimate power of excess heat is about 600 W. The ratio of excess heat of 600 W to input power of 780 W is 0.77. Considering self-sustaining effect, the input power might be significantly decreased if a chopper supply can be used to keep excess heat production. How to calculate the ratio of total produced heat energy to electrical input energy remains a question in present work. The consumption of nickel container and Ni + LiAl4 powders is checked to be less than 1 g after experiment. The calculated energy density is 4 orders of magnitude greater than the value of gasoline. Therefore, the origin of excess heat cannot be explained by any chemical energy. The isotope abundances of nickel and lithium in the fuels after experiment will be analyzed by mass spectrometry technique. A further experiment will be carried out." Justin, they are all over it, world-wide, multiple countries.   I now count 4 real separate distinct new style reactors which have all gone over 1.0 COP and have maintained themselves until turned off intentionally.   In all cases I trust the technical goodness of the controls and the data collection that were there, and the over unity COP was run long enough to preclude any chemical source. :)     ============================================================== The MFMP team are going to need to learn to AUTOMATE their data collection to a higher degree -- having people to have to stay awake for days on end to transfer stuff to spreadsheets by hand is ludicrous. Next, messing around with .3 grams of powder when everyone else is reporting off a full gram puts somewhat of a kink in the same-as same-as results.    I understand them not wanting to do yet another melt down and wanting to SLOW the rise rate down,  but that needs to be accomplished technically, not by mini-sizing the reaction mass. Still knowledge is being gained.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/30/15 at 19:57:18 Most who were making history didn't know they were when they were. These few must know.Will TPTB allow it to come to fruition and unburden the people from the cost of energy? Given that the promising early results actually Can be upscale d and controlled....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/04/15 at 06:28:35 New Stuff that has become known (or suspected) in the last 2 weeks The anomalous heat production in the Ni+LiAlH4 fuels has been observed repeatedly. The Chinese are lighting off 20 grams of powder (20 times the charge the Americans are using in their experiments) using just plain common mechanically ground fairly coarsely nickel powder,  LiAlH4 and simple hydrogen gas supplied from a small tank.   It works.   They can re-start it.   Because it is a relatively large amount of "crude" nickel, it builds temp slowly and is easier to control, but because it is large the temperature spikes during events are larger as well. They are controlling the reaction using DC power to a simple thick nichrome heater coil.   The automotive implications of what they are doing is VERY clear -- they are shooting for a car sized (or generator sized) relatively low pressure "wet steam" power generator. In China, paid research is always aimed at a purpose -- and this successful series of tests will move forward into variable load research ASAP. A steady load will run a generator, a variable load would be able to deal with a car type application. The Arab Oil people are predicting their oil export market will end by next century, either by the oil being all gone or there being no market to sell the stuff.   Guess which one they'll pick ..... ;)     ..... welcome to the new age of Steam punk .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 06/04/15 at 07:39:56 Hybrid vehicles hit a max of 3% market share and are decreasing in favor of all electric.  So I would guess the trend would continue, any new tech will get a 3% market share until with more importantly a trend to total conversion to LENR tech until a tech winner is determined.  All the hybrids that have a small gas engine will convert/retrofit immediately.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/05/15 at 05:53:36 Research the Stanley Steamer on YouTube, this tech was completely understood in the 20's and 30's and technically implemented in the 40's using fairly modern tech. The road steamers had a crank counter shaft not much smaller than the wheels, a single cylinder and NO TRANSMISSION other than a reverse gear. Folks are playing with little bitty low pressure steam turbines now, but they are not as power efficient as steam piston units can be.   A point here that the Chinese seem to be acting upon can be stated as  ..... when energy is "free" you don't have to be efficient,  all is required is that you can control it well and you have a "dump method" for a run-away melt down in case of a uh-o. I suspect that the early Chinese domestic use units will have safety shut offs, etc and a modular construction such that if it goes south the reactor can melt its way to the pavement (and beyond) without taking the entire car with it. But in America, we won't get the tech in our cars until it is a lot better understood and considered to be safe.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/05/15 at 06:43:32 Sadly, if it can't be made idiot proof, legal liabilities will keep it unavailable. Look at lawnmowers, get off, motor dies, put in reverse, blades engaged, dies, foot on pedal or no start... your bike, you've gotta hold the brake down to get outta park on the car. I had always driven old stuff and standards and got a job with a company truck. It sure was embarrassing asking how to put it in reverse. My foot was Ready to hit the brake, I just didn't see why aa motionless vehicle needed for the brake pedal to be pushed.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/05/15 at 09:23:58 You guys do understand that submarines are going to get totally redone (much smaller) and that every country will be able to afford a non-nuclear silent attack sub now. You also know why Rossi was stalled so for his patent long and why Uncle Sam doesn't seem interested (yet evidence of at least 3 programs through DARPA or NASA are showing up at the edges of things and why the US Navy bought one of Rossi's first container plants (pre-Industrial Heat) which then went black and was never heard from again). Subs are serious business .....   so are carrier and war ship power plants in general.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/05/15 at 11:24:31 Well, that's good news And bad news at the same time. They either see it as promising and powerful enough to be useful or at least worthy of wasting taxpayer money on. Hopefully they won't try to take the fact that they are working to develop it and declare it a matter of national security and halt public access and experimentation. I'm cynical enough to envision a time when such a great boon to society would be withheld. Imagine the Lobbying ,,,coff,coff by the oil ,coal and electricity generation companies. I don't see it made available to American s.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 06/05/15 at 11:49:39 Subs are currently sized to house missiles, so many will remain huge. And I thought most attack subs currently are diesel/electric.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/06/15 at 05:44:13 Missiles are now solid fueled and are quite small, they can launch out a torpedo tube now (as can a current cruise missile).     Just go into a very sharp nose incline position and fire as you get close to the surface of the water ....  the booster rocket will punch through 100 feet of water and put the missile 50 feet up into the air before the main missile engine ignites and rockets on off. http://https://defencyclopedia.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/wpid-img_56215758407841.jpeg     This is a new attack sub being built by India, note the 8 torp tubes, mounted high on the fusilage. Our attack subs are nuclear electric, as were the Russians.   There is a new class of fuel cell electric subs being built by Norway, etc that are intended for coastal defense.   LENR electric subs would be a long range class of subs that wouldn't have to carry the weight penalty of all that fission radiation shielding.   All our subs had between 2 and four fission reactors (redundancy for maintenance, etc) but a LENR system might have readily replaceable "plug in" cores that could be changed out at sea if need be.     Our old big boomers were built huge to hold MUCH larger long distance missiles (held vertically) as that was the size and type of the tech back then.   Also a boomer hides far far away in water that is not swept by the opposing navy, while an attack sub is close in to the combat and can pop a limited range ballistic (or a cruise) from much closer in.   Less distance, less missile is required. We should worry about people being able to pop us from close in using much less expensive newer tech.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/06/15 at 09:56:22 Thanks for the submarine lesson. I had no idea.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/06/15 at 16:00:32 It ain't just subs any more, anything with 15 feet of spare deck space can do this ......   a good sized ski boat could do it, or a smuggling type boat or any large cabin cruiser could be modified to drop a hatch open and do this.   They can be air dropped from a plane, jest open the back hatch and kick 'er on out the door --- scary, ain't it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuUrMatBdN0     ..... it is a video, click on it ..... All the tube launched ballistic missiles are actually smaller than what comes out of the torpedo tube, the torpedo casing then cocks up and rocket propels the missile up into the air where it ignites and takes off for real ..... Payload, a Hiroshima sized implosion thermonuclear device (or bigger) can be held in your two hands now. :-?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/06/15 at 16:10:10 Payload, a Hiroshima sized implosion thermonuclear device (or bigger) can be held in your two hands now. That's what I think is scary.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 06/07/15 at 07:46:47 suicide bomber with 'backpack nuke' used to be a thing in fiction, now it's doable for rills

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/07/15 at 13:37:54 I wonder if they have anything that doesn't leave Geiger Counter traceable radiation behind and how long they've had it.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/07/15 at 14:19:25 You are referring to the suitcase bomb from the '70's  ???? It is now a brief case bomb. ;D If you are going to entertain stressful ideas, every major city on both sides is already equipped and ready to detonate -- been that way for decades now. All this stuff about missile systems is really just window dressing, the items have already been delivered and installed (as fake refrigeration unit components, etc.) Think about it, every nations capital has both a USA and a Russian embassy sitting plumb in the center of it ...... :o

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/07/15 at 14:33:51 It's not just size. The radiation,,, Geiger counter, if those don't detect what they leave behind. I'm not gonna do the rest of the math here.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/07/15 at 17:19:05 Plutonium (the old big bomb material) is VERY radioactive.   The little bombs aren't made out of plutonium. Squeezer thermonuclear bombs are mostly carefully formed shells of high explosives to create the implosion effect on a little bitty central core of fissionable elements that releases neutrons and fission energy when the implosion wave hits it, making a fission "mini-blast" that sets off the FUSION event that makes the main blast power. Take the slightly bigger than a softball round nestled shells of the mini-bomb, compact it with high explosives to less than the size of a pea, then the resulting pressures and temperatures are hotter than the core of the sun for just a micro-second and all that compacted hydrogen laced explosive by product stuff goes fission-bang, just like the sun does.   Remember, the high explosives contains hydrogen as well as the hydrogen stuff in the shells themselves. Thermonuclear bombs are bad because any nearby hydrogen compounds are caught up in the expanding fusion event, which means a little bitty squeezer trigger bomb set off while sitting beside a liquid hydrogen storage tank would be a gawd-awful big explosion ..... For example, take Bikini Atoll           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Bravo The Castle Bravo blast at Bikini Atoll blast was about 4 times bigger than expected because at the time scientists did not understand that the fusion even breaks down all molecular bonds and deals with the raw hydrogen count present (they had hundreds of gallons of a solid hydrogen source that was naturally polluted with a co-compound that they didn't think was going to contribute anything -- but when completely broken down by the primary blast it did contribute its entire hydrogen count). :o The observation bunker was ~35 kilometers miles away from the blast, but the actual blast event super-pressure wave overlapped the distant bunker.    At sea some of the observers on the observation ships were injured between pressure wave and heat and direct radiation.     This first experiment was also accidentally the first "dirty bomb" and the fall out effects were horrendous as there were no preventative measures done and the fall out cloud went over hospital ships and observation ships that were there for the test. Some of the observation ships just about got swamped by the blast-driven water wave which was many times what was predicted. ======================================== Leave it to the Russians to try to find out just how big a thermonuclear bomb could be made -- Tzar Bomba was many times bigger than Castle Bravo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba "All buildings in the village of Severny (both wooden and brick), located 55 kilometres (34 mi) from ground zero within the Sukhoy Nos test range, were destroyed. In districts hundreds of kilometers from ground zero wooden houses were destroyed, stone ones lost their roofs, windows and doors; and radio communications were interrupted for almost one hour. One participant in the test saw a bright flash through dark goggles and felt the effects of a thermal pulse even at a distance of 270 kilometres (170 mi). The heat from the explosion could have caused third-degree burns 100 km (62 mi) away from ground zero. A shock wave was observed in the air at Dikson settlement 700 kilometres (430 mi) away; windowpanes were partially broken to distances of 900 kilometres (560 mi).[13] Atmospheric focusing caused blast damage at even greater distances, breaking windows in Norway and Finland. The seismic shock[verification needed] created by the detonation was measurable even on its third passage around the Earth.[14] Its seismic body wave magnitude was about 5 to 5.25.[12]" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbXQ0gRoJqM A film about these two biggest bombs ......

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/07/15 at 17:50:52 Wow, imagine being a scientist and something blowing up 12 times bigger than you expected. I'd look at anything about that..  Got a link?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/07/15 at 18:28:51 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbXQ0gRoJqM 3-4 times bigger blast -- 12 times more deadly as far as radioactive fall out potential deadliness ...... it was the first dirty bomb ..... And Tzar Bomba was a droppable bomb that was many times bigger than that ...... (the Russians actually downsized Tzar Bomba by about half as they were concerned with destroying the drop bomber and possibly igniting the ambient atmospheric hydrogen if they went all the way up to the full 100 megatons which was the full max size of the Tzar Bomba design)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/07/15 at 18:39:16 possibly igniting the atmosphere hydrogen Something about that just sounds like a bad idea..

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/18/15 at 09:57:38 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/06/16/1-mw-hot-cat-plant-to-follow-current-1-mw-plant/   Rossi has announced what is coming up next AFTER the current 1 megawatt plant clears its test period and is turned over to the customer's employees for long term production running. Get used to Rossi talking Low Temp Steam and High Temp Steam ..... you will need to know which plant is being talked about going forward. First, the original 1 megawatt Low Temp steam plant actually turned out to be a ~2~ megawatt Low Temp steam plant by the time the discovered efficiency gains were all run into place.   It is only needed at the 1 megawatt capacity right now, so only half the reactors are needed at any given time.   Rossi exceeded the capacity and uptime and energy savings requirements set by the customer by almost a factor of two, so this plant approval is pretty much a done deal at this point in time. Rossi is shifting development over to High Temperature HOT CATS now, and the starting size is the larger 250 kilowatt size he just developed. Take a deep breath here -- 4 of these plug in suckers could make up a 1 megawatt LENR plant in a single "horizontal cores vertically stacked" in a single stainless pressure vessel, with two cores down in the water making low temp steam and two running higher up bone dry  --  to super heat the steam on up into full superheat conditions. Could, but likely will be built as 2 COMPLETELY SEPARATE pressure vessels of 4 cores each so as to have full production running maintenance available (with full redundancy built into the system). This could then run a small,  right sized standard steam turbine -- we are talking electrical power generation on a business or large house size scale. Or an 18 wheeler power plant, or a ship power plant, you get the idea.  ......  once you have high temp steam you can do just about anything you want with it.   Right now the equipment is too large for a car sized plant, but miniaturization will happen over time, you know. Or, since you are talking glowing white hot cores now, you could hook only two of them up (maintenance redundancy, remember) to a Kamen/Musk Cyclone "recycling" stirling engine power plant which is an already commercially available product.   This would be a normal house sized system, providing electricity, house heat, hot water and (after the old ideas go back into use in real commercial products again) thermal induced air conditioning.    Your remote property could have off-grid power, and if you lived on grid you could sell your excess electricity back to the power company as credit for times you need more power than your plant can provide. Folks, look to see more players building pilot plants now, since the cat is firmly out of the bag now.   Brillouin will get his 20 million from somebody soon enough to built a larger commercial pilot plant using his control ideas  (or maybe not since Rossi's plants are proven out now and they only cost half as much to build an "at will upsizeable" main production plant). :)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/18/15 at 10:52:54 That's just great news. I might not think so much of it if my money was in coal, oil or atomic energy.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 06/29/15 at 11:42:03 Rossi says the hot cat pulses electro static energy. http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/06/15/rossi-conducting-rd-for-direct-electricity-production-from-hot-cat/ That and/or light generation to solar cells might produce enough electricity.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/15 at 12:18:14 Wouldn't pulsed electrostatic be equal to pulsed dc and useful? And when the primary of a transformer gets hit, doesnt it create fields of flux? When they expand and collapse, wouldn't they create ac? The secondary would feel induction, right?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 06/29/15 at 13:31:13 I would think it would be similar to an ignition coil. Primary (hot cat) generates a field than collapses. Secondary (coil) generates a DC pulse of electricity.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/08/15 at 05:49:39 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/07/08/new-lenr-paper-thermal-resonance-fusion-from-china-institute-of-atomic-energy/ First, a retired (expendable) senior member of this institute shows video and good data from a relatively large reactor cell experiment using dirt simple coarse ground nickel powder, hydrogen gas and a simple DC excite power supply -- very robust stuff, very suitable for automotive uses.   It very clearly worked and China is currently at the "controlling the run away" stage of things developmentally. Next, we get this -- a theoretical work up by the main members of the institute talking officially. I think the boys certainly have the basis for a Chinese Patent, don't you? China has been told by the politicos to go full steam ahead with this and they are doing so -- China needs energy.   Their Patent Office will not stand in their way at all, not a bit of it.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/09/15 at 11:19:15 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/07/09/boeing-laser-fusion-engine-patent-accepted-ian-walker/ OK boys and girls, Boeing has patented a jet engine based off Lenr.   The Skunk Works has been one of the rumored sources for a lot of the covert government project work on Lenr that is being slowly revealed by NASA. Folks to keep track of such sources say they are up to five different governmental project sources at this time, all covert. So for Boeing, NASA and the Navy have come out of the closet.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/09/15 at 12:18:04 Do you remember the original pictures of the Aurora aircraft going across the sky leaving a contrail that had little pulsed dots in it? At Mach 10+ people just said "UFO" and ignored it as there was no known technology that could get close to those speeds. Since then unknown aircraft have been seen pulsing across the sky at Mach 15. Now here is good ol Skunk Works Boeing aircraft patenting a Lenr jet engine .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/17/15 at 09:59:24 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/07/17/leonardo-corp-looking-to-sell-e-cat-heat-at-customer-sites/ Don't want to take any risk or make any investment, but do want some cheap heat?   Leonardo Corporation (Hydrofusion) can fix you right up. "The Ecat.com website, which is run by Hydrofusion, a Swedish licensee for Leonardo Corp. in Europe, has a page on their website titled “ECAT Heat Energy” with the following information: Leonardo Corporation now offers ECAT Heat Energy as a separate product solution. The ECAT plants are owned and operated by Leonardo Corporation while installed in the customers facilities or at a location in the vicinity of the customers facilities depending on local needs and infrastructure. The ECAT Heat Energy is delivered by steam at 100-120 Celsius and extracted through the customers local heat exchangers. Return temperatures can be in any range between 5-95 Celsius. Leonardo Corporation initially look for customers with 24/7 facility operation due to ECAT plants preferred continuous operation. Please contact for quotes ecat.com/ecat-products/ecat-energy This seems to be a significant piece of news, since it looks like Andrea Rossi’s Leonardo Corporation has settled on a business model for selling heat. It appears that Leonardo will be selling heat, not E-Cat plants, and will be operating the plants on customer sites, or close to those sites. I’m sure one main reason for this is to protect the plants, to prevent customers from tampering with the E-Cats in efforts to discover secret information." Also note that Industrial Heat is not mentioned -- this is the Swedish Rossi group's move.   They will buy a container from Industrial Heat and park it at your place and run it for you and charge you a discounted rate for the heat produced. :D

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/17/15 at 16:30:51 Soooo, the folks in the shipping department really are Packing Heat?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/18/15 at 17:39:29   Well, I think they also are going to be racking up all the hours needed for a Swedish safety certification, and by them still owning the container and the process they aren't selling anything yet except generic steam, so that part is all kosher too. I also think Rossi and the guys will pre-crank all the cores and get everything to the "easy do" steady state stage before shipping it. Remember, a 1 megawatt plant hot cat plant is now a desk sized 4 each 250 watt cores instead of container sized set of 100 cores ...... Much easier to keep track of too, I would think.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/22/15 at 11:16:21 In case you haven't heard,  Rossi popped a hernia pedaling his bicycle.  He has had surgery and is now recovering in a bed inside his container with this new process running right beside the bed. This brings up a valid question. Since Rossi has kept so much of his process secret from all parties, what happens if he drops dead? I think the folks at Industrial Heat need to take some positive quiet action to preserve Rossi's current knowledge of the process he's been working on. Next I think they need to get him an Assistant to work with him and to consciously preserve what the man knows because he knows a lot and it is not replicated or written down anywhere.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by old_rider on 07/22/15 at 11:29:25 Doesn't his daughter do all the talking for him? She should probably know his secrets, since she is his translator and usually goes everywhere with him. (from what videos I have seen)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/22/15 at 13:14:58 Surely he's smart enough to know that claiming there is no backup and SHOULD be die, this ends... that's a target on his back. His  process ,if successful, will cost some Big people some Big bucks.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/23/15 at 05:37:35 Old_Rider, The one you are thinking about is the old Russian guy Parkhomov. Rossi has nobody. And yes, Justin, why do you think he stays inside a solid steel box inside an industrial compound in an unknown location? His death is worth 100's of billions to big oil and the ragheads ......

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/23/15 at 05:59:46 WOW! I'm surprised someone hasn't paid to have him declared paranoid and hauled off to an institution, where he could commit suicide.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/23/15 at 06:15:22 It's funny in a way ..... when he was just Rossi the farcical comical old cold fusion crank guy he could go anywhere and say anything to anybody.   Nobody cared as nobody took him seriously. Now folks are fighting over his old licenses and he is hidden away from the public and he makes NO physical visits to anywhere. Is he being paranoid, or just trying to keep folks from finding his container and slapping a claymore on to the side of it? :o You start reading about people popping some misc storage containers with RPGs all drive by style and you might begin to connect a dot or two ..... ;D

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/26/15 at 13:21:33   http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/07/26/rossis-hot-cat-hopes/ Rossi’s Hot Cat Hopes [Update #2: New Model Running Now] UPDATE: Andrea Rossi was asked on the JONP why he was so excited by this new iteration of the Hot Cat, when he has made many changes over the years. His response: Andrea Rossi July 25th, 2015 at 8:11 AM Albert N.: Because I made a revolution in it. It is a completely new thing that, by my calculatons, should ( SHOULD) improve the “classic” one. It is an attempt: if it goes, the improvement, in term of ssm, will be strong. Otherwise, it is a wrong idea. The only way to know is to make an experiment. The funny part is how I got this idea: after the hernia surgery, when I woke up from the total anesthesy I got through, I had to stay some hour in a room, with pain. I am used to overcome pain relaxing and focusing strongly in something; obviously I focused on a new reactor and it came out. Now we did it, tomorrow goes in action. We’ll see if she is an abort or a baby. If she is a baby, is a M.me Curie! Warm Regards, A.R. UPDATE #2 (July 26, 2015) The new model Hot Cat has apparently started up: Andrea Rossi July 26th, 2015 at 12:22 AM Paul: In this moment here it is 01.20 a.m. of Sunday July 26. The new Hot Cat is just started. She is promising well, but obviously before saying anything worth to be listened is necessary a period of several days. Warm Regards A.R Rossi has 3 generations of hot cats running in his container at this time, with two of them being new and are "notable advancements on the idea" compared to the original 100 cores that were first installed.     Also note that because of 2-4x efficiency improvements only 4 of the newer larger cores are needed to equal the 50 of the originally installed cores (the 100 core plant is now more efficient too and keeps over half of its cores off line now just to keep from overproducing steam). Reading the various comments, Rossi was doped to the gills after his hernia surgery and that excited his thinking bone a bit and some new approaches came to him in his waking pain dreams and he wrote them all down. He's got the first of these experiments already up and running already --- there is a supposition that he is using a small controlled hot cat (either nearby central to a cluster of larger cores or inside a much larger lower temp core)  to excite the much larger core body, with coils of wire around that one that are intended to catch the induced DC current that is produced by the big 'un in reaction to the controlled dance of the little one inside it. The much much higher COP comes from only paying to heat and excite the one small central core, with it providing the free energy to pump the other larger more massive core(s).    Key thing is if the power generation pick up coil outside the whole affair, if it can make enough juice to control / power the small center core, then you got the potential for a mobile power plant. That's 3 significant levels of improvements inside a year --- not a bad rate of improvement, huh? It is clear also that Rossi is reacting to the work done by the Chinese government, which is struggling to control a similar "mobile intended" plant as we speak.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/26/15 at 14:47:40 IF it does become a marketable product, this guy is, or should, become the next household name. If not, I'll call him one helluva man, for his dedication and focus, his passion and his intellect. Note the time of the report. His life revolves around the project. I'd expect that the Great composers and inventors of the world have been consumed, always thinking about how to,

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/26/15 at 15:06:00   Rossi is riding that tiger, gripping them tiger ears fiercely.    The odds of him outdoing everybody else long term are just about nil, but he sure is going to kill himself trying.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/27/15 at 08:32:02   http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/07/27/mfmp-setting-up-long-term-test-reheating-padua-glowstick/ MFMP Setting Up Long Term Test, Reheating Padua Glowstick [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epkyAZ4tctE&feature=youtu.be[/media] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epkyAZ4tctE&feature=youtu.be This is an already known to be successful reactor that is being run now for "the distance" in order to get a full range of breakdown/buildup products from it when they take it apart for detail analysis after the full run. Look at the equipment, an Ardueno and a Raspberry Pi (running the input power sensors and some handheld temp sensors and hard sensing wires and radiation counters) are all the computing power necessary to report the full experiment in a full data logging fashion, and likely either one could easily run a production unit as it will not require all the various data sensors and data logging. This collaboration was done to automate the data collection and power adjustment so somebody does not have to be sitting there the whole time recording numbers and manually tweeking dials. I wish them luck !!!!     This is the very best of "dirt basement" internet science  .......     :D

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/15 at 12:34:04 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/07/28/rossis-hot-cat-hopes/ Now this is new -- Rossi insinuates he has a way to keep the reactor going AFTER the nickel powder has melted down in spots .... ...... and he has a new, unknown method of heating up and controlling the reactor as no electrical resistance wire exists that can run that hot .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/15 at 14:39:58 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/07/29/rossi-e-cat-can-operate-beyond-melting-point-of-nickel/ Folks immediately press Rossi for some details on ultra high temperatures  (past what resistance wire technology can take).    Some of the questions seem intended to probe the possible use of induction heating to heat and control the reactors. Rossi: E-Cat Can Operate Beyond Melting Point of Nickel (Update: Intrinsic Safety ‘Still Valid’) Posted on July 29, 2015 by Frank Acland • 14 Comments We’ve been hearing from Andrea Rossi about how his latest version of the Hot Cat was recently able to run at 1380°C for ten hours — and this is quite close to the melting point of nickel — which is 1455°C. It has been stated by Rossi in the past that the E-Cat stops when the nickel powder melts, but today there’s quite a surprise in a comment from him when asked whether the E-Cat could “under special conditions, this temperature can be overcome (still working well), without destructive hot spots.” Here’s the reply: Andrea Rossi July 29th, 2015 at 7:23 AM Italo R.: We can overcome that limit, for reasons I am not allowed to explain. Warm Regards, A.R. So that’s a bit of a revelation. One thing that comes to mind is that Rossi has said that the E-Cat is ‘intrinsically safe’ since the reaction stops when the nickel powder reaches melting point — but from what Rossi now says, that would not be the case. It’s been years since the original E-Cat was developed, and it would not be too surprising to me if during all the R&D, new discoveries about the E-Cat process, and new methods of exploiting the “Rossi Effect” had been achieved. But this news seems to take away some of the limits of the E-Cat, and it makes me wonder what this could mean for the future of this technology. 1380°C is certainly hot enough to generate supercritical steam — so important for electricity generation — but what could one do with even higher temperatures, and what’s the limit now? UPDATE: I asked Rossi on the JONP about what he had said in the past regarding the E-Cat being intrinsically safe after melting point of nickel had been reached: “If the melting point of nickel can now be passed, is the intrinsic safety feature no longer valid?” Rossi responded: Andrea Rossi July 29th, 2015 at 12:47 PM Frank Acland: I am very sorry, but to answer to this question I’d have to give confidential information. The principle of the intrinsic safety is still valid, though. Warm Regards, A.R.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by old_rider on 07/29/15 at 15:20:19 I am not allowed to say..... repeatedly. I sure hope he has put his work down on paper or memory or some sort. Because if what he is doing actually works and he passes away....all that research is gone. Is he really that aloof? and cares not for his work? or the proof of his process?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/30/15 at 05:53:26 I think he has been permanently affected trust-wise by the abuse heaped on his head for those many many years. Is he paranoid?   Yes. But should he be paranoid? Are there people out there that would kill him? :(       Yes. Since he is working in a new high temp high power zone that might could give him a lethal dose of radiation before he could even move away from it -- yes he should have a helper/keeper on site charged with keeping him safe and healthy. Its not like them pain drugs aren't known to affect your judgement, after all.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/01/15 at 07:48:14 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/01/new-russian-parkhomove-cat-replication-claim-cop-over-3-at-1347c/ New Russian Parkhomov/E-Cat Replication Claim: COP over 3 at 1347C Well, Parkhomov has now detailed the procedure to light off a reactor and how to get a COP greater than 3 at over 1,300c so electrical power generation by steam turbine is certainly out there on the table now. Parkhomov tells you exactly HOW to go do it -- he puts it out in the public domain by doing so. Rossi has no unique marketable secrets once Parkhomov puts it out in the public domain. New stuff, the low temp thin wall reactor mentioned might be labeled "the room heater core" by someone wanting to commercialize what Parkhomov has just delivered to us. Rossi's technical lead is now whittled down to about zip, as the others make rapid progress. The Russians have shown that they are perhaps going to be the leading country in LENR research with them having just about caught up with Rossi at this point in time. The Chinese are there too, keeping up with whatever has been published. Oil and coal long futures are down again .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/01/15 at 17:09:11 And, for the first time, the leading hedge funds are net short gold. Either they get creamed or the dollar gains, which I'm unable to grasp.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/02/15 at 17:25:56 China has problems right now, and the US economy is doing "better?" and our dollar has more trust than the alternatives? Or else you can say the currency market is a monkey shite crapshoot that goes up and down and up and down ..... [smiley=lolk.gif]

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/02/15 at 21:07:09 Done wanna jack this thread. So, ill say this, anyone who replies, please, start a thread. Point is, hedge funds say gold costs less in the future.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/06/15 at 04:28:11 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/06/a-clearer-picture-of-the-1-mw-e-cat-plant-emerges/ This past year Rossi has invented and built and proved out a much larger 250 kilowatt "tiger" core which is not a hot cat variety that is much more efficient than the old e-cat cores.    COP is well over 20 at all times, with some tigers apparently churning out over 100 COP due to some very long self sustain run periods.    This core can apparently exceed the melt temperature of nickel in areas of the core and keep on making heat. And remember, this is gen 1 on the tigers with the software under development, so it will only get better over time.   Remember, right now this one vertical rack makes up a 1 megawatt steam plant. http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54e38c6ce4b0b6d75a4175a7/54e3ca09e4b0af154d1539a3/55649e51e4b0077f89bf40fd/1432658527334/PHOTO-1-MW-E-CAT-MAY-26-2015.jpg?format=500w All current plans for small to mid-sized commercialization seem to revolve around this core type.   This is the core type that sees all the distributors in all the countries beginning to take pre-orders to sell steam heat. Industrial Heat did NOT buy all of Rossi's IP, and they certainly did not buy any new stuff that Rossi hadn't invented yet.   I think the head of IH was telling the truth when he said that IH and Cherokee simply backed Rossi with the needed capital at a critical juncture in order for him to make the jump to from theory to commercialization and that IH does not have any hands on ownership in the development process per se.     Industrial Heat is the Rossi distributor for the Americas and China however.   Industrial Heat likely is represented on the Leonardo board, but details like this have never been disclosed. The little 10 watt cores of the original 1 megawatt steam plants are all pretty much water over the dam now, and the original 1 megawatt plant is running off the 4 tigers now with all the banks of 10 watt cores sitting there as "total failure backups".   Drop in an extra 2 tigers for maintenance/redundancy and you could yank out a container full of racks for the small no longer current cores. ========================================= Rossi still needs to develop a still much larger unit replaceable cluster system, a 10 megawatt cluster, which will be the size required to move on into coal fired power plant refurbishment work.   Rossi's newest large core designs seem to be hot cat varieties, but so far have not shown the needed long term durability yet. To do this development work he will need a very large commercial boiler to utilize the output from such a mega cluster.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/07/15 at 13:48:18   http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/07/russian-scientists-propose-full-scale-lenr-research-program/ Russians propose a full-scale non-secret government scientific program to investigate LENR and make it work. Russians correctly figure if they can take the IP lead away from Rossi and get to commercialization first then their patents may will hold over his.   In Russia, this is very likely the case.   Other-where -- not so much. For example, China has already granted patents to their own researchers.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/09/15 at 13:38:27 By my count a total of 6 nations now have admitted LENR initiatives on a national level -- America (DARPA and NASA) is included in this list although it is still mostly held secret. America's program is over 5 years old and has been top secret until NASA let the LENR rocket engine out of the bag several months ago.   DARPA is hanging closed mouthed still at this time, but Rossi has dropped hints he sold them a plant a while back.   They may be asking  Rossi for a Tiger plant now, which is cool but it will go silent with whatever uses they find for it. It is rumored that DARPA has a few LENR heating units installed in cold climates for environmental use testing and has one prototype power generator station that "exists" somewhere.   Rank these as reliable as Intel Brown Vapor rumors and you'd be about right .... As the technology moves past the Model A era and into the public Model T era then we will see more evidence of "old style" LENR tests come poking out of odd corners all over the place. Anything new and powerful is going to be held as a military secret for just as long as possible.   That is what is called "military advantage"out in DARPA land.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/09/15 at 19:50:16 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/09/rossi-new-hot-cat-a-real-revolution-very-very-very-good/ Rossi gets excited about his new hot cat design -- and why "Early Sunday Morning, Andrea Rossi reports that he restarted a rebuilt Hot Cat (high temperature E-Cat reactor) that he is calling “M.me Curie”. The first iteration of this new design was started last week, and apparently performed quite well, but broke after 10 hours of operation. Ross seems quite excited about the new version of this design. This is what he writes today: About the direct production, I have news related to the new Hot Cat, named “M.me Curie”. I am working with it, it is a real revolution. Is important. Works very strongly and I am very optimist. Now we must test its duration. The performance is very interesting. I want to be clear: it is soon to give data, it could have problems, but what I am seeing now is very, very, very good. It could be the leader for the very massive production. We will go directly from our tests to the market. If goes on what I am seeing now, in October will be tried the safety certification. I am like a coach of tennis that looks at a kid 4 years old playing and says: ” this is the future Federer”. Big , big hope. The result of an enormous R&D, working 16 hours per day. I’m not exactly sure why Rossi is so excited about this version of the Hot Cat, and how it differs from previous versions, but there has to be something about its performance that has been very impressive. We might get some more details as testing continues. UPDATE: Some more information coming from Andrea Rossi on the Hot Cat improvements. I asked Rossi some questions, and got some answers: Compared to previous Hot Cat versions, does it have: 1. Higher temperatures AR: Yes 2. Longer periods of self-sustain AR: Yes 3. Higher COP AR: Yes 4. Better power density AR: Yes 5. Something else AR: Yes F9 Paul Asked: “Did you change the reactant mix from the last run to optimize direct electric production?” AR: Yes This is very interesting — especially the part about optimizing the mix for direct electricity production. Since Rossi is hoping to find a way to generate electricity directly in the domestic E-Cat without using steam turbines." OK, this is interesting because it has jaded burned out old pessimistic Rossi all excited like a kid before Christmas. It is either something great, or possibly not -- he won't say without extensive testing. What encourages me is this is the THIRD generation of Cat being wrung out inside the two containers, with each generation being a radical improvement over the last. I think those two steel containers, including Rossi's rumpled old camp bed, are going to go into Smithsonian and every school kid will be taught the Rossi Story .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/09/15 at 22:20:53 or, the Tesla story...

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/10/15 at 06:57:07   Tesla was an astounding technical success that wound up living in a (at that time) nice hotel room with his meals and medical paid for by Westinghouse Corporation, an arrangement that lasted the rest of his life.    Westinghouse knew the depth of their debt to Telsa which went far beyond dollars and cents. Tesla invented MOST of the basics for modern electronics --- but he was no businessman. Rossi reminds me of Telsa more and more.    He chooses to live next to his work because his work is his life.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/12/15 at 09:49:57 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/12/abstracts-of-conference-paper-for-october-lenr-conference-in-soshi-russia-published/ 'There are 35 presentations listed on a variety of topics dealing with cold fusion/LENR and ball lightning. One that might be of particular interest here will be the work of Alexander Parkhomov, K.A. Alabin and S.N. Andreev who will be presenting “Results of Isotope and Element Composition Analysis of Nickel – Hydrogen Reactors Fuel” Their abstract reads: Results of isotope and element composition analysis of fuel before and after 4-day work in the reactor similar to the high-temperature Rossi reactor are presented. Comparison to analyses of Rossi reactor fuel and others nickel – hydrogen reactors are made. Some other titles that caught my attention are: Erzion Interpretation of Rossi & “Lugano” Experiments with “Hot E-cat” Cell Miniatoms of Hydrogen – the Key to Theoretically Explanation of Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions Tectonic Conditions of Cold Fusion Preparation in the Earth Crust Calorimetry and Temperature Monitoring of Ni + H2 System under the Influence of an Electric Discharge Nuclear Fusion and Transmutations of Elements in the Earth’s Core Development of Breakthrough Technology of Steam Turbine with Heat Supply Based on Clean Low Energy Reactions (LENR)" I have said several times that the Chinese government is taking LENR seriously and has a quasi-military program of over a hundred scientists working on it in secret.   They are driving for LENR automotive functionality just as fast as they can. The Soviet thrust is a little more academic in nature but is showing the size of their effort by this conference. Note that Parkhomov is still their lodestone, but Parkhomov has not been idle lately either. =============================== It is also worth noting that mainstream Russian and European career nuclear scientists are part of this effort -- in America all our mainstream boys still have their heads ducked down protecting their posteriors. Prosvirnov Alexander A. (1) | People   http://www.atomic-energy.ru/files/styles/Scale200width/public/images/prosvirnov.JPG?itok=pCAZ06na Organization: VNIIAES Head of Information and Analytical Center of NPP life cycle support From 1983 he worked in the bureau "Hydraulic" VNIIAES, EdF (France) Experience: Calculation analysis of accidents at nuclear power plants with VVER-1000, calculations of VVER-1000 CATHARE, PWR.Justification of procedures and recognition algorithms .PG tube rupture at NPP with PWR. Verification code CATHARE for settlements with VVER and certification code Rostekhnadzor. Experiments at the core of the simulation at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, dynamic testing unit of Zaporozhye, Kalinin and Khmelnitsky nuclear power plant, creating at Khmelnitsky NPP experimental stand for dynamic tests

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/16/15 at 19:49:28 http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/?p=771 A Must Read: Guest Post by Ian Walker – ”The End of the Fossil Fuel Age” Sifferkoll® Sifferkoll is about using quantitative analysis and proprietary algos on big data to verify qualitative and intuitive models covering areas of interest, including trading, online sales, social media behaviour and black swans like the LENR paradigm shift. THE END OF THE FOSSIL FUEL AGE Big Oil, Saudi Arabia, the merchant banks and markets all think fossil fuel has had its day, a bold statement, where is the evidence for it? If you had been taking any notice you would have seen Big Oil have been selling of their Oil Fields and getting out of the oil field asset ownership market since September 2011. Is what I am writing true? Why would they believe the Fossil Fuel Age has ended? It is basic due diligence to find out what the big players are doing. So do a Google search for any oil company name and the phrase ”Oil field” and the words divest or sell. You will see evidence like the following: SHELL Shell has been on a massive divestment strategy on its oil field assets, from Africa to the Far East since September 2011, though as it was already tracking the Black Swan and has a department specifically tasked with watching this particular Black Swan develop, it knew before the others, it just speeded up its divestment of oil fields as the Black Swan became more visible. http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/official-shell-has-divested-from-eight-oil-fields-in-five-years/189166/ http://www.hydrocarbons-technology.com/news/newsshell-divests-stake-nigerian-oil-asset http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9754d97c-2dbe-11e4-8346-00144feabdc0.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/epic/rdsa/8496742/Shell-to-sell-Nigeria-oil-field-stake-for-600m.html They accelerated the sales of their oil fields as a certain report from the town of Lugano in Switzerland started doing the rounds in the scientific circles in June July of 2014, more about that later, let us keep on with presenting the researched evidence to support the thesis of this article. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/shell-speeds-nigeria-oilfields-5bn-sell-off-plans-1462810 Other Fossil Fuel companies have also been on a divestment strategy since September 2011 including: BP They have sold their stakes in fields in the North Sea, Russia, the Arctic and the Gulf to name but a few, and not even batting an eyelid about being refused license to buy future assets in the Gulf of Mexico. http://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/press/press-releases/bp-agrees-sale-interests-alaska-north-slope.html http://www.ogj.com/articles/2014/04/bp-to-sell-to-hilcorp-its-interests-in-four-ans-assets.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20527045 http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7081129 http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7080956 http://indrus.in/articles/2012/11/29/rosneft_and_bp_to_develop_new_arctic_oil_fields_19411.html http://www.forbes.com/sites/marketnewsvideo/2013/10/29/bp-commits-to-divesting-another-10b/ CONOCO PHILIPS http://www.nasdaq.com/article/conocophillips-to-sell-5-bln-stake-off-kazakhstan-to-incur-400-mln-q4-charge-20121126-00448 http://www.bidnessetc.com/25669-conocophillips-to-divest-north-sea-oilfield-stake/ http://online.wsj.com/articles/conocophillips-sells-nigerian-oil-assets-to-oando-1406741704 http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/12/06/big-oil-divests-nigerian-assets.aspx EXXON MOBIL http://www.thestar.com.my/business/business-news/2014/06/13/exxonmobil-sells-stake-in-seligi-oil-field/?style=biz http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11/09/iraqi-official-says-exxon-mobil-is-trying-to-sell-stake-in-major-oil-field-by/ http://www.newsystocks.com/News/4108444/Weak-Demand-Outlook-Forces-Exxon-Mobil–XOM–to-Sell-Its-Japanese-Unit http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/us-iraq-exxon-idUSBRE8A60Y420121107 Even the pipeline parts and refinery companies started to join the rush to divest the fossil fuel business since 2011. Though it is part of the thesis that refining is not affected by this as much as owning oil fields. http://dcnonl.com/nw/32627/cb http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323830404578145611979409082.html?mod=googlenews_wsj Some are trying to cover their strategy and the risk by divesting half of the asset others are just cashing in their chips. http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/536428 http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Chesapeake-spinoff-oil-field-services-1947337.S.5881791537699905537 http://in.reuters.com/article/2010/03/25/us-conoco-lukoil-idINTRE62N43M20100325 I could fill this page with how many oil fields Big Oil has dropped since September 2011. They have even started to remove their exploration and drilling staff, 50,000 oil exploration and drilling staff have been laid off in the past few months: http://fortune.com/2015/07/27/energy-sector-layoffs-low-oil-prices/ Big Oil is in the Oil Business! They still need oil for their oil refineries so what have they been doing to ensure supply? They have been taking out (1) options to lease on (2) US fracking fields and Canadian tar sands. They started doing this back in 2011, so they knew this drop was coming. Note that (1)”options to lease” They are renting. If the asset is appreciating it is cheaper to own the asset. They have stopped owning and rent instead. So therefore since 2011 Big Oil thought the asset was going to depreciate. Think about that they knew the 2014 fall was coming back in 2011! So what is their strategy? You rent/lease an asset rather than buy it when you know the asset is about to take a big hit. That way those who own the asset bare the cost of the hit. And that second part the assets they are leasing are based in the (2)”US fracking fields and Canadian tar sands” you move to a more expensive supplier and out of a cheaper third world asset when you know the asset is about to experience social unrest and disruption, that will harm the business. The kind of disruption that comes with say a massive drop in the value of an asset the business relies on. Big Oil is even saying climate changing is happening and that fossil fuel use has to be cut. http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/22/shell-boss-endorses-warnings-about-fossil-fuels-and-climate-change And now they have started breaking relationships with companies who, deny climate change! http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/oil-giant-shell-dumps-alec-over-climate-change-position-20150807 If big oil thinks fossil fuels have no future, why would any one else, think they have? There is however, a glimmer of light for the oil investor. Big Oil are still invested in the refining industry so they know Oil will still have a market as a precursor chemical for things such as plastics, after the coming Black Swan. SO WHAT ABOUT SAUDI ARABIA? Saudi Arabia lives off the supply of oil. Saudi Arabia can afford the best business intelligence and saw what its customers in Big Oil were doing, and so it to soon found out the Fall of Fossil Fuel Age was coming. Ever since, Saudi Arabia has been placing itself, strategically for the Black Swan and decades of managed decline in the Oil industry, where we now know a true market has asserted itself with a vengeance. http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-saudis-naimi-says-opec-will-not-cut-output-however-far-oil-falls-mees-2014-12?r=US So Saudi Arabia therefore knew its strategy was to drop prices to the minimum; in order to take over a maximum share of the Oil market both to slow the changes in the market caused by the coming Black Swan, and to maximise profits in a declining market by gaining market share. Saudi Arabia has realized OPEC is dead and it wants to undercut and kill off as many of its competitors as it can now. So Saudi Arabia’s tactics now include: Locking in customers on one year contracts that substantially undercut competitors, knowing full well the prices will continue to drop and that they will recover these loss leaders later in the cycle, and they will make more money in the long term while expanding their loyal customer base, by continuing to offer them cut price deals, such that the cost of switching supplier makes it an impossible position to argue. Simultaneously killing off the weaker competitors, thus protecting their expanded market share. And their long term business strategy has become the classic stack em high sell em cheap. Making the same money on thinner margins by selling higher volumes. Now even the other OPEC members have started to realize and are pumping oil as fast as they can. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/opec-pumps-at-3-year-high-despite-oversupply-2015-08-11 :)       Folks, the economic turmoil in the direct oil industry is just the first sprinkle in the upcoming storms of adjustment.    Remember, please, that 45-40% of our entire GNP economy is tied up in oil this and oil that (supporting industries, distribution, retail) ..... and that some countries like Norway that number goes way up to 75-80% of their GNP. The disruption in the next 1-10 years will be profound, very very profound.    Nations will go bankrupt and local wars will be fought, I like to think of the Black Swan concept mentioned above as proof that many many very smart people believe in something like LENR now and that secret preparations are in motion to start manufacturing ASAP on many fronts.   They don't know what actual name the Black Swan will hit commercial reality first as, and really as long term planners it doesn't really matter to them who wins the foot race to be first.   The thing to them is someone will be first to a license-able product and then the production / distribution stampede starts ...... Even at a COP of 3 LENR is completely usable for building heat -- and at a COP of 10+ steam cars and trucks become completely possible within 10 years.     Rossi is currently cranking a COP of over 20 and a reactor durability of a year or more, so you can see what that can lead to very very very quickly.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by old_rider on 08/16/15 at 20:51:49 With all the millions of vehicles on the road now and in the future, big oil is still going to get richer. And if COP takes over house heat and electric generation..... it will take "decades" for the automobiles to filter out. That will give big oil a chance to change their refining factories to battery factories or such. Same companies, different energy for sale. Don't think you are going to buy an LENR machine for the house anytime in your lifetime... maybe your great-great-grandkids or their children, but you or I will be rotting in the dirt for a few before any are deemed safe and efficient enough for home usage. Face it, you and I both know how politics work, their homes and pockets first, then the rich, then the upper class, then the upper middle class, then us.... :(

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/16/15 at 20:59:46 Very interesting stuff. Have you checked out the claims?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/17/15 at 06:41:47 Old_Rider,   America may be that slow but the rest of the developing world will be on it much much quicker.   And, since they now make all the room heaters, etc, the stuff will be out on the internet to purchased by us. USA recognizes all the other national "UL" equivalents, and if the stuff passes them it can be imported directly via Ebay or Amazon. Justin, The click it links to check it out were listed in the thread along with the base reference, as always.   If it is in blue, it is a direct quote from the source is listed up at the very top of the thread.  I read a few of the references, looking for something new/better but a list of over 20 is beyond my time to do. A quicker veracity check is to go to the reference at the very top of the post then scan down to the "Comments" for that prime reference.   People who do read all the click references and disagree with something will be calling BS on it down there in the Comments. This is what I generally do as it is condensed.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/17/15 at 12:03:53 People are playing 60 questions with Rossi now about what is in the ECAT X. It is becoming obvious there are other materials being used than just nickel. Think on it a bit,  lithium was used in the reaction and was melted and used to coat the nickel grains ( the reactions continued anyway). Now melt the nickel \ lithium mix and use it to coat tungsten grains ....... If so this is very very significant .... 1350c is a very significant and high standard operating temperature. Rossi is also stating he has restarted this new system core multiple times with re-igniton times under an hour. Rossi also is hinting that he has direct DC electrical production coming from the core This too is very significant.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/17/15 at 12:59:51 Yeah, I use replies to see what people say,too. I really enjoy this thread. Thanks for keeping up with it.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/20/15 at 10:02:14 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/20/e-cat-x-fix-requires-making-new-material-that-does-not-exist-in-commerce/ E-Cat X Fix Requires Making New Material that ‘Does not Exist in Commerce’ Posted on August 20, 2015 by Frank Acland • 14 Comments After over a week of running the E-Cat X, Andrea Rossi’s new domestic E-Cat design, Rossi reported on Tuesday on the Journal of Nuclear Physics that it had, “burnt, as the first one”, but that they knew what the problem was, and how to fix it. Today, Rossi explains that they will not be able to start it up again until next week, because they do not have a commercial source of the material needed to make the repair. Here’s his post to Gerared McEk on the topic: August 20th, 2015 at 7:40 AM Gerard McEk: As I said, to repair the reactors and other parts of the plant now and again is the normality here, due to the fact that this is the first industrial real application of LENR in the History of technology. We will start up the new E-Cat X probably at the end of the next week, because we have to produce a new material that does not exist in commerce to resolve the problem that popped out. This attitude to make materials that do not exist is a legacy of a visit I made in the NASA concern od Huntsville, Alabama, during a meeting with their scientists: I saw their laboratory where they told me they make things that do not exist in commerce, because they have particular problems that cannot be resolved with the existing materials. I thought ” This is exactly the kind of lab I need”. The technological characteristics of the E-Cat X will be published when the R&D on it will have been completed, and at that point will also be explained why it is more fit for household applications. Thank you for your kind words, Warm Regards, A.R. For a brand new product of this nature, it’s not at all surprising that you would have to come across problems as described here. When it comes to manufacturing this E-Cat X, it sounds like it won’t be able to be manufactured using easily available materials; there will have to be a means of making this new mystery material in significant quantities. There has been indications that NASA and DARPA have held Rossi units that were provided to DARPA and NASA as Rossi developed them ongoing.   Rossi is perhaps a paid contributor to NASA and DARPA and has been for some time. This is the first time we see signs of Rossi reaching back to get tech help from NASA. I find this cooperation encouraging ....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/20/15 at 18:46:08 Initially, I'm shocked, because of the potential for people to be able to own their own power supply, but, the small , powerful, non nuclear, and all,,, Heck yeah, Navy, NASA,everyone,, I still can't believe it's not being stifled

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/20/15 at 20:32:14 Justin, LENR was stifled for 20+ years (and one guy was outright murdered to keep that silence going). But now the wind has changed directions, 180 degrees ..... Difference now is that 1) we need the progress because of world-wide carbon pollution and 2) the cat is already out of the bag now and we are in a race with the Russians and the Chinese to get into concrete patent-able production on an energy solution. Go guys go .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/20/15 at 21:14:41 Are you telling me this process was the one that I heard about but Gee, it can't be reproduced Gee, it can't be verified ???

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/20/15 at 22:17:06 Justin, He's got three generations of them, and he is safety and durability testing each of them for a year a piece (sounds like a lot, doesn't it?   But that is what is required here in the USA) One is built, sold and half verified in place at the customer's plant http://https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRFFVjQBINANkc-eSu3MlDGoBxHV7SJLjniobzES0-_fL5Q6BvgVA ======================================= A better one, built and 1/3 verified at the same facility http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54e38c6ce4b0b6d75a4175a7/54e3ca09e4b0af154d1539a3/55649e51e4b0077f89bf40fd/1432658527334/PHOTO-1-MW-E-CAT-MAY-26-2015.jpg?format=500w A brand new one that works even better but requires a new widget that is much more durable than what has been built before (some tech help, please NASA) but this one will be able to roll off the certificates of the first two once they are granted. And yes ...... Rossi is catching grief for taking so long to verify each design, but he is running them concurrently so he isn't wasting as much time as people think. He is also watching the wind shift right now and when it swings around and fills his sails right then the good ship Rossi LENR ship will move away from the dock. Somebody ripping his design and moving it forward in China or Russia would actually help shift the wind more quickly since the Chinese and Russian commercial "UL" requirements are not nearly as detailed and time consuming.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 08/20/15 at 22:41:14 I wonder what kind of safety devices he has to employ.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/21/15 at 05:49:20 His radiation safety shields are sheet metal already used in the construction of the steam vessels. He has a full array of thermocouples and radiation sensors per cell as recording all of that stuff is part of the safety certification process. ======================================= There is certainly more than one way to skin a CAT .... http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/21/new-paper-progress-in-development-of-an-lenr-power-cell-for-space-george-miley-et-al/ A paper has been posted on the Italian Cobraf forum which I have not seen before. It’s written by George Miley and others at Department of Nuclear, Plasma and Radiological Engineering, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and was presented in the Proceedings of Nuclear & Emerging Technologies for Space (NETS) 2015 which was held in Albuquerque, NM, February 23-26, 2015. George Miley is a long-time LENR researcher and has founded a company, Lenuco, where he focuses on space applications for LENR. Here’s the abstract of the paper: "Anomalous heat, attributed to Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENRs), is obtained by pressurizing metal alloy nanoparticles with deuterium gas. The reactions are enhanced by creation of ultra high-density deuterium clusters in the nanoparticles. Experiments comparing various nanoparticles and plans for a proof-of-principle power unit are presented. Potential applications to space power are briefly discussed. The experimenters used a small chamber filled with palladium-rich nanoparticles, which were then loaded with deuterium gas. In the experiments described in the paper there is no input energy in the form of heat or electricity applied to the chamber, only pressurization with deuterium gas, followed by depressurization. Below is a figure which shows the temperature readings from three thermocouples (side 1, side 2, and bottom) during the gas loading and unloading in one experiment: http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/miley1.jpg Various experiments were carried out and here here is data presented about the results. The final column is the calculated energy gain. http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/miley2.jpg Here’s the conclusion: The primary result thus far is that the excess energies obtained in all experiments to date are all well above the maximum estimate of what could be attributed to chemical reactions. The external power/energy involved, such as deuterium gas compression and vacuum pumping, is minimal compared to the output, suggesting very large energy gain. This result then is extremely encouraging relative to this gas-loaded cell becoming a remarkable power unit." Rossi has SERIOUS competition, he cannot sit on his thumbs for a year at a testing shot or someone else is going to go to market before he does.    They will go to market in Indonesia or South Korea or China ...... someplace with much friendlier rules.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/15 at 07:14:03 I remember cold fusion claims. I don't remember who or what the experiment was. I wondered if the ridicule heaped on the idea was just propaganda.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 08/21/15 at 08:45:00 One would have to wonder if there was a non radiation emitting LENR solution, why would seek out one that was? And if that is the goal... a second process to create heat, then I'd certainly want to use a process that used nuclear waste as fuel... since there's plenty of it practically for free.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/15 at 09:34:14 Man, if someone could figure out how to use that crap and use it UP, so the end result was a safe waste product, that, just transmuting, transmogrifying it from deadly to landfill or aggregate to put in roads, even IF no value, no product, no energy, was created, that'd be  Nobel prize worthy. Make energy,safely, and efficiently enough to make money? Wow,  beyond my wildest and most hopeful dreams. Do you remember what the process of yesteryear was? I just remember hearing someone claimed to have been able to make a cold fusion reaction happen, then got creamed in the media.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/21/15 at 17:36:50 http://ergobalance.blogspot.com/2008/06/cold-fusion-proven.html?m=1 You mean this one?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/15 at 18:05:54 Yes! Thank You.. The most fervent believers, both scientific and religious, tend to bang the drum of their dogmas with equivalent enthusiasm; trampling the opposition where they may find them. He left out politics and conspiracy theories. And, reading on,,, They were were largely dismissed, but in fact their work was replicated in over 200 world-class laboratories, and researchers have published 3,000 papers describing these replications, including many in mainstream, peer-reviewed journals. The statement that others were unable to reproduce them is widely believed but it is false. You can read 500 full text papers on cold fusion at our web site: http://lenr-canr.org Ohh, please be real,please be real,please be real And economical and scalable and available to homeowners.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/21/15 at 19:02:09 Justin, Both NASA and DARPA did their own verifications and started their own quiet low level programs 25 years ago --- during the same period of time that the major media in lock step denied that the whole thing was real.   Then to put an explanation point or two after the SHUT UP ABOUT IT  somebody put a bullet through the head of the main media guy who said it was real, just look at the data please type guy.    Shot him dead at the end of his parents driveway while he was doing a mommy care visit -- he was in his bathrobe picking up the paper. Everybody shut up about it then, for 20 solid years they shut up. You have high school science teachers and college lab instructors doing the Pons Fleishman experiment by the thousands every year now.   Some of them have gotten right good at it. Both the guys are dead now, as is the driveway dude ..... to stifle progress and make sure enough fast breeder reactors got built so we could have LOTS of nuclear submarines and ballistic missiles. Yes, I know --- cynical old fart.   Yep, guilty.   We needed MAD to protect the country, and that too was/is true. Nixon also killed the Thorium Reactor project during the same time frame for the same reason. Now, because of the ever growing pollution problem we need both of these things back, ASAP.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/15 at 19:31:43 Once someone has the weapons to destroy the world five times, it starts getting kinda ridiculous..But They kept TELLING us They can blow the world up seven times, We NEEEEED MOOOOORE,,,  and They got rich.. And, in 73 or  74 WE sold Russia grain, because they, Our mortal enemies Were hungry And broke. We LOANED them the money, put the U.S. taxpayers on the hook if they defaulted.. And got no weapons concessions. Let me help your cynicism grow.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/21/15 at 23:00:35 http://pesn.com/2015/01/22/9602592_LENR-Digest/ This site gives you a cross comparison to the maturity level of the various LENR efforts that we know about (the top secret ones are still secret, of course).

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/22/15 at 05:18:17 Rossi seems to want just that... that's his primary focus,

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/25/15 at 10:12:16 ROSSI HAS BEEN GRANTED A UNITED STATES PATENT !!!! http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/25/andrea-rossi-granted-e-cat-patent-by-us-patent-office/ Furthermore, the patent spells out the correct mixture percentages (since after today you will have to pay royalties if you use those mix ratios). “Variations in the ratio of reactants and catalyst tend to govern reaction rate, and are not critical. However, it has been found that a suitable mixture would include a starting mixture of 50% nickel, 20% lithium, and 30% LAH [lithium aluminum hydride]. Within this mixture, nickel acts as a catalyst for the reaction, and is not itself a reagent. While nickel is particularly useful because of its relative abundance, its function can also be carried out by other elements in column 10 of the periodic table, such as platinum or palladium.”

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 08/25/15 at 11:54:00 1st off the block will be a home heating module. with a plug in for water heating, then a module for electricity using a peltier chip, next module will be for cooling.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/25/15 at 19:48:50   http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/26/critical-e-cat-patent-discloses-full-fuel-details-hank-mills/ full text of the patent follows: https://animpossibleinvention.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/us9115913b1.pdf "In the patent, the composition of Rossi’s fuel and a starting ratio is revealed. It is stated to be 50% nickel, 20% lithium, and 30% lithium aluminum hydride. All of these fuels are in the powdered form, and the exact ratios are said not to be critical. However, different ratios govern the reaction rate. For the first time ever, we have been provided with a listing of ingredients and percentages. Combined with what we already know, this means that a combination of carbonyl nickel of a few micrometers in diameter (although other forms and particle sizes of nickel may also work), lithium aluminum hydride, and lithium can come together to produce a massive amount of energy if properly stimulated with heat and a varying electromagnetic field. Another important detail revealed in the patent is that the nickel powder must be pre-heated to convert trapped water into supercritical steam, explode, and increase the porosity of the nickel. The concept of enhancing the porosity of the nickel is mentioned multiple times. Perhaps the enhanced surface area and tubercules of carbonyl nickel provide a good starting powder that is improved by pre-heating. It should also be noted that the most successful replicator of this technology, Alexander Parkhomov, who has successfully produced excess heat in at least a dozen different tests, recently revealed to the Martin Fleischman Memorial Project that he pre-heats his nickel to 200C to remove any water content. From my knowledge, very few replicators have been “cooking” their nickel in this fashion – or at all. Maybe this could be a step that will ensure more successful replications." Things should begin moving quicker now -- the rat race to first room heater is on !!!!

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/26/15 at 06:51:16 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/26/the-significance-of-rossis-granted-patent-ian-walker/ "Rossi has planted the flag, it is a Granted Patent, a done deal, a root patent where every other case has to take place from that point. An inescapable start point. This will be a patent war at least as long term and varied as that which characterized the Wright Brothers and Curtis or Edison and Westinghouse or Apple and Erickson. It is going to be about which companies have the most ammunition in terms of multiple patents and the deepest pockets to pay for the lawyers and how long competitors can afford to sit stuck in the courts behind court orders preventing them from selling or developing, paying endless court fines for infringement, while Rossi continues to develop and sell or whether they just have to give up and license from Rossi because it is cheaper. Rossi’s first patent is part of a Patent Strategy and a textbook example of how to do it in terms of gaming the appeals process." What this refers to is the 64 separate patents that Industrial Heat and Cherokee have helped Rossi prepare that lock down the feedback control systems and monitoring systems and other systems associated with the new LENR nickel based systems.   This mass of patent material is all pending at this time, but will explain in DETAIL exactly how Rossi does it. Please also note that the root patent also locks down all of the column 10 elements in the periodic table as they all are part of the root patent that has been granted to Rossi. Some now theorize that the last 6 months with Rossi hiding in the containers was a ruse to lull all the competition into taking a break while the patents were quietly rolling forward to completion. So, here comes all the fun stuff with Brillouin vs Rossi vs you name them in the heating industry world wide as LENR does work and pretty soon it will become known throughout the media channels and financial channels as well. No one can compete going out into the future using the old polluting energy sources ..... it all has to change now.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/27/15 at 17:49:27 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/27/industrial-heat-files-new-international-patent-for-energy-producing-reaction-devices/ Rossi has worked with a engineer that works for industrial heat and together they have put together a complete and comprehensive patent package that totally tells how to do a Rossi reactor. This ties down all relevant details and refers back to the granted for Rossi patent that was just approved. There is no wiggle room --- if you wish to do this you owe the man royalties. Businesses may now feel safe to pay those royalties and go ahead and develop products. They have patent protection if they work within the umbrella of Rossi's patents. They may patent their own applications where they do things that are in in addition to and subsequent to Rossi's work and they can patent all their controls and everything else associated with their industry. There will now be a frantic race to the first room heater, the first household water heater, the first large commercial building heating plant and the first car. Industrial Heat has already done patent work on boilers and large capacity building heating systems that are based on steam and hot water. Look to see the Chinese Team suddenly make great strides in their work, and to patent what they rip off in China under the Chinese system.   Or else to reveal they have a deal with Industrial Heat already and are building Rossi patent protected fully licensed systems ..... The Russians are still a wild card as they look to Parkhomov who literally did his own thing in a lot of aspects ..... It will be fun watching all this stuff VERY RAPIDLY develop.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/27/15 at 17:51:48 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/27/industrial-heat-files-new-international-patent-for-energy-producing-reaction-devices/ Rossi has worked with a engineer that works for Industrial Heat and together they have put together a complete and comprehensive patent package that totally tells how to do a Rossi reactor. This ties down all relevant details and refers back to the granted Rossi patent that was just approved. There is no wiggle room --- if you wish to do this E-CAT stuff you owe the man royalties. Businesses may now feel safe to pay those royalties and go ahead and develop products. They have patent protection if they work within the umbrella of Rossi's patents. They may patent their own applications where they do things that are in in addition to and subsequent to Rossi's work and they can patent all their controls and everything else associated with their industry. There will now be a frantic race to the first room heater, the first house furnace, the first water heater, the first large commercial building heating plant and the first car, etc. etc. First one there gets 7 years of good luck .... ......   of course the corollary counts too  ...... YOU SNOOZE, YOU LOSE

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/29/15 at 10:52:23 Rossi's very first item might be a single cell with a control center, so various companies can order it for their R&D departments to get their thinking started. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-h-bailey/post_10010_b_8052326.html Huffington Post gets first blood credit for the first SERIOUS international news coverage of the Rossi patents.    Of course they did their own version of F9, in case it turns out to be a scam. But they did list all the reasons they think it is for real which is a considerable list now. I find it ironic that the "failed" Pons and Fleishman replications are STILL being given out by the press as the reason nobody believes LENR is real.  These were done at universities that now have fully funded LENR Studies Departments and who routinely do the P&F replication in their labs as teaching tools each semester.  Soon each of these will have a Rossi Cell experiment where the college kids will build and ignite a Rossi hot cat cell that they built with their own hands. If you put the somewhat dangerous to accidentally inhale 50% nickel, 20% lithium, and 30% lithium aluminum hydride mix inside a sealed nickel foil container then such a pre-made "fuel pellet" could be safely sold for science fair uses.  I am sure the Raspberry Pi crew would build up a control kit for it as part of their normal activities (supporting science fairs and such educational stuff) as Adrenos and Pi's are being used for this duty by some of the real replicators right now and the software they built is open sourced at this time. The MFMP rig is certainly food for future science fairs since it includes load balancing and thermal balancing that are right on up to the full scientific discipline level.    And it looks cheap to build, too.    MFMP is also currently trying to automate the data collection on a run, so it could run unattended until it stopped, for whatever reason. http://https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11899817_1027078800656152_1864027677010300263_n.jpg?oh=cd20366a2975fc47e4c38b98447b3cae&oe=5670B9A4

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/03/15 at 06:38:22 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/03/new-patent-application-for-plasma-electrolyisis-using-lenr-parkhomov-one-inventor/ New Patent Application for Plasma Electrolyisis using LENR (Parkhomov one Inventor) Once again, yet another way to skin the LENR 'cat.    I count 6 different ways to get there now with Rossi's E-Cat only being counted as one way (one way, three versions). This will get interesting, when they get into real produced items, as to which one actually works best for that given use.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/03/15 at 06:58:26 Kits, distributed thru Radio  shack. bring  back the shack..AND be a distribution point, support , for guys like us.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Serowbot on 09/03/15 at 08:10:01 Reminds me of Elio Motors... Nearly there,.. nearly there,... nearly there... nearly there... Vaporware... :-?...

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/03/15 at 08:27:02 Instead of one guy saying nearly there, nearly there, instead you got 5 investor groups each backing an inventor who is saying "my way works best".    Some of these guys are different enough that Rossi's patents do not apply, so indeed there are at least 3 fundamentally different ways to skin the LENR cat so far. They will fight it out in the market place to see which is best. Industrial Heat is planning on taking another 5 months to finish the First Production Test they are doing, which is in an Industrial Heat associated facility, and they are now touring selected investor types and very selected media types, but only under the terms of a iron-clad non-disclosure agreement. When it is released,  the first write ups are already written and the full wave of investors are already signed up, as are manufacturing partners in China for the rapid production and dispersal of goods but only for those countries that will honor Rossi's USA patents. If someone gets close to releasing something, the testing can be curtailed as it is already conclusive enough and all they are doing now is testing durability and mean time between rebuilds in an attempt to lengthen the run life of the reactors.   Some are the original cores, never rebuilt nor worked on ..... Initially, 6 months between core replacement was the desired goal, but that has already been grossly exceeded and no one knows what a "good" core can do for longevity, not yet anyway.   And Rossi and Industrial Heat are trying to identify exactly what makes a long life "good" core vs a 6 months core as that is a rather important little bit of knowledge to their business.   Plus, some cores do SSM periods 3-4 times longer than the other cores.   Why?    Rather important detail, that .... since it is truly free energy when running in SSM mode. :)       http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/03/european-patent-office-approves-patent-for-piantellis-lenr-method/ And here is another one to bring the count up to 6.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 09/03/15 at 09:11:38 The Chinese are literally dying to get this stuff rolling. But sending stuff to china to be made is like cancelling any patent that you've gotten.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/03/15 at 09:21:52 CERN comes out of the closet now ..... http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/03/cern-to-host-seminar-on-the-anomalous-heat-effect-on-dh-loaded-palladium/ I think China honors what China wants to honor, and if Industrial Heat has good relations with the Chinese government and IH only lets them hold the least of the applications (to see what they actually do with it) then getting your first consumer stuff mass produced as cheaply and as quickly as possible means a lot to an exploding technology like this.   First to Market means brand name recognition, perceived leadership, greater patent enforce-ability,  etc. etc. etc. For example, an inexpensive home room heater would be a wonderful introduction to Industrial Heat's LENR technology that could move quickly into adoption around the world.  Let it go into production in China and be sold in China to the Chinese first, then let the US UL drag its feet as it is going to do anyway.     Individual Americans and the rest of the world will order through the internet direct from China, as they do now with electronics. And this stuff is really popping now, we have 3 new players just today.   And 2 new methods to throw into the pot. Since the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has said "no radiation, not our bailiwick" then UL is the only needed certification.   America's UL recognizes China's UL equivalent and will honor an equivalent industrial safety certification from another country as well.   Nobody else has applied for certification nor have begun their certification runs, so Rossi is a solid six months to a year ahead of everybody else. And yes, China or India or Indochina could expedite this entire certification mess if they wanted to.   But I think they would be wise to wait until the current hot cat cores have been run through their entire life cycle to see if at the very end, when power starts to go down that is when the most complex, heaviest element reactions are going on -- they need to verify that no radiation is produced during those end of life reactor death cycles.    That the actual production hot cat cores really do "end of life" safely. This may take a while, since no core has been run to end of life yet (they last too long).   Indeed, they have been superseded by a better hot cat technology generation twice now before they could even be run to end of life. ("overcome by events" for like two generations worth of E-Cats at this point ......) So, whatever the Chinese might rip off now would likely be over the dam technologically within a year or so anyway.     ::)   Is the risk worth getting to the market first and establishing yourself as the market leader?   Perhaps ...... Rossi has alluded in the past to getting there first in a big way, generating great LARGE economies of scale and by doing so and by selling it cheap  to actively discourage the "copycats".         This would work as folks like Brillouin who say they need $20,000,000 to do a pilot plant would simply get cut off at the knees. Folks whose stuff has most of a year left in development and a year in certification testing would be left at the gate by this strategy. Chinese government scientists already HAVE patents granted to them by the Chinese system, but they can't show a working product at this stage of things.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/09/15 at 08:48:39 http://https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/s960x960/11942300_10203533366929426_1788675822259642491_o.jpg People don't go protecting jingles and ad-sayings unless they plan to use it to sell something.   Just read the list of stuff they plan to sell ....... We got signs that Industrial Heat and Rossi (Leonardo Corp) are readying production and distribution channels. Rossi has also dropped a little tidbit, they have figured out how to variable throttle their new E-CatX from idle temp (still pretty durn hot) to full tilt boogie in minutes and then idle it back again as needed. Think of it as reacting at the needed speed for a home forced air furnace system or a hot water heater and you will have the correct response speed idea.   Such could also serve on a car, if you were willing to vent a lot of steam in town during stop and go driving.   However, open road running would be at minimal steam loss and would likely permit long driving distances on a tank of water. :) ....... they will likely file ECatX as the heavy duty industrial brand name

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Serowbot on 09/09/15 at 10:13:35 7D5E5654575E5E5740320 wrote: People don't go protecting jingles and ad-sayings unless they plan to use it to sell something.   They do if they want to scam investors... :-?...

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/09/15 at 19:00:29 I think the level of investors that Industrial Heat has lined up would want a VERY serious tour, full access to the run data and some significant "proof of life" and apparently the investor big boys are getting that because some European and British large investment houses are listed as "distributors" now. The folks calling out fraud are getting fainter and fainter. Rossi could never swing this, but Industrial Heat can .... Plus, Industrial Heat has good relations and lots of manufacturing contacts in China.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 09/09/15 at 19:08:24 5C4A5D40584D405B2F0 wrote: [quote author=7D5E5654575E5E5740320 link=1424339358/150#153 date=1441813719]People don't go protecting jingles and ad-sayings unless they plan to use it to sell something.   They do if they want to scam investors... :-?...[/quote] patents cost more money then scammers will put up. plus they are identified.  you'd have to have a pretty good front man. rossi wouldn't cut it.  every petroleum big boy has him targeted.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/11/15 at 06:32:43 While on the subject of fraud, this seems like an appropriate addition to the discussion.   You see, the responsible and sensible folks at Cherokee and Industrial Heat have taken action to render long term fraud a non-possibility. Yep, Industrial Heat has a reputable independent testing firm installed on site collecting their own data off their own automated equipment, with their only responsibility being a monthly report to both Industrial Heat and to the actual customer.   The customer himself also collects energy out (steam Killowatts) and energy in (electrical kilowatt/hours) from his pre-existing gaging as THAT was his condition of sale at the end of the test (COP of at least 3 off his gaging). "Andrea Rossi has been making some comments about the data collection process that is taking place at the site where the 1 MW plant is in operation. Yesterday he explained that there were 1.5 million pieces of data per month being recorded from the performance of the plant. He later clarified that this data was being collected by three parties: His own team The independent referee The customer who is using the energy produced from the plant In response to a question about how frequently the data from the referee and his own team was being compared, Rossi made the following statement. Note that in this case ‘ERV’ means ”Expert Responsible for Validation” Andrea Rossi September 10th, 2015 at 2:34 PM Italo R.: The ERV data have not to be compared to any other data and will be the only one deemed valid, independently from any other data recorded by anybody. The ERV delivers periodically reports about the data collected in the due period. Obviously we compare our data with the data communicated by the ERV. I can say that, so far, the data recorded from us are substantially consistent with the data of the ERV and that the differences are within the error margin of the instrumentation. The Customer makes independently his measurements, because he is not interested to the ERV, he just wants to measure how much thermal energy we deliver ( he just reads his gauges) and at the end of each month he sends us a report with the indication of how many kWh have been delivered. Also in this case, the data so far are reasonably consistent, with small differences that can be attributable to the error margin of the instrumentation. Warm Regards, A.R" The overall results of the first year on the first 1 megawatt plant are already guessable,  as the Australian distributor has begun selling the things already (taking pre-orders) with a guaranteed COP of 6 or your money back.    We have heard of 20 COP being seen from some cells with the poorest performers being around 6-10 COP. COP OF 6, this is enough power to drive a car or run a generator. And, please be mindful that the new ECatX supposedly does BETTER than this. :) The format of the new plant is supposedly a half sized (short) container with two vertical banks of 4 large CATS in each bank, giving the customer full 100% redundancy for maintenance purposes.   This the normal industrial standard for maintenance redundancy for a critical industrial process. A heavy fork lift can pick the thing up and move it around, and if you decide you don't want it (or don't pay your bills) then the distributor can easily come pick it back up again. First year terms are the customer pays the going rate for steam energy, less a moderate discount for his risk factors and if the 1 megawatt plant turns a COP of 6 in the first year overall, then the customer pays for it at the end of the year.       This is a reasonable way to do it since in that year the plant will either get updated at least once to the current E-Cat cell model or else the customer might decline to pay for it because it has become technologically outdated ...... I would think that the 8 plug 'n play cells would be easily upgraded by the end of that first year and the old cells sent back in for refurb.   Ditto for the software driving the thing.   This protects the customer from a rapidly evolving new technology getting so much better during that first critical year as to make what he had purchased obsolete.   This system of replaceable cores and replaceable software/electronics also means the customer can upgrade to the current state of the art every time his cores get tired. Some thought has gone into this from knowledgeable people who work in the steam heat industry, you can tell. Ships, trains, power stations are natural places to put this tech RIGHT NOW as at a COP of 6 it pays you to build a new ship a little earlier (commercial ships only last about 10-15 years anyway before they get scrapped and replaced).   Ditto for new train engines and new local power stations.     Retro-fit for existing huge power stations will require a mega-core system that is not yet designed and tested, but seems to be a logical extension of the existing ideas. Brillouin has been left at the gate with his COP of 3 system that costs 20 million dollars to do a pilot plant -- sad, but his ideas are still lithium free ideas and not competitive.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Serowbot on 09/11/15 at 07:06:22 746770716E6365676C33020 wrote: patents cost more money then scammers will put up. plus they are identified.  you'd have to have a pretty good front man. rossi wouldn't cut it.  every petroleum big boy has him targeted. Is that a Patent?... I don't think so... It's a Trademark for a name..."E-Cat The New Fire"... I can trademark "Serowbot" for $99.95...

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/11/15 at 08:34:18 Go back up a page in the thread -- this is the United States Patent granted just last month. http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/25/andrea-rossi-granted-e-cat-patent-by-us-patent-office/ It predates the grant date given to the European Patent that was granted to Pantenelli and it can prove commercial functionality with a practical COP of over 3 and a practical application at the first commercial site which has been in production since before Pantenelli even filed his application.   However, each local world government has now been busy issuing patents to their own players, so as to try to protect their ability to share in the new tech as it develops. BUT THIS IS NOT ANYTHING NEW -- Last year Sweden and Norway have granted patents to non-functional non-proven local persons, as has Italy and as has China, Japan and Russia at this point in time.   They all now have a basis to play as the stuff develops .... Right now with the complete details released in the US Patent that Rossi was granted, plus the details released in the 64 control system patents pending just about anybody can try to add that info to their old existing patents and try to see if it will fly.     Lawyers will get rich arguing these cases for decades to come ..... Rossi may care about the rip offs (he remarks about them periodically), but I sense that Industrial Heat simply intends to prove their claims by a gross preponderance of market share, which is what really counts in the business world anyway. Rossi has released ECat fully through the patent process, but he hasn't filed yet for the follow on, the ECatX, which is much more powerful and efficient and control throttle-able.   It is still closely held as a commercial secret at this time and it will stay there until ECat on the home market is firmly in place and Rossi's existing patents are holding appropriately. PS ---- the copycats still have to go through their safety certification testing periods, and since they are claiming to be different they have got to prove themselves safe --- and they haven't even started on that process yet.     ;)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by mpescatori on 09/12/15 at 02:31:26 Oil-rich arabs, eat your hearts out !!!  ;D ;D ;D Sure, we'll still be buying oil, but give me 20 years, and it'll be E-Cats worldwide and oil will only be required to produce plastics and the such. ;)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/12/15 at 05:43:33   http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/11/andrea-rossi-and-patent-photo/ http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_6549-1024x768.jpg

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/12/15 at 14:54:41 Looks suspiciously like Murdoch from the A Team.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by old_rider on 09/13/15 at 00:27:31 Looks suspiciously like a photo shopped American flag.... those edges are kinda well..... Anywho.... You keep mentioning the affordable home heater.... are there any specs on that? Does it get really hot and heat the whole home? or just the one room? is ol' ma' kettle going to fry her housecat when she puts it next to the bed? or is the blanket she sets it next to going to burst into flames? I have four affordable home heaters from wally world, yeah the do up the electric a little, but they work great. How much moola is this new heater going to save me on my electric bill?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/13/15 at 07:28:45 Take the advertised COP value and apply it as a divisor to your current room heating costs. That's likely a little more than you will really get, but a COP of 3 early unit should easily cut your heating bill in half, even considering the probable inefficiency of "first out the door" new tech devices.    If they come out of the gate at a COP of 6 (like the Australian Rossi guy is saying) then your bill will only be 25% of what it used to be. So far liquid filled radiator type devices have been discussed, as they don't radiate killing hot anything but warm the room through air convection contact to the hot fins.   The extreme heat is contained inside a steel chamber which then heats the liquid which then gently heats the room air.  The three layers of steel involved also preclude any of the radiations seen so far from ever escaping the unit (but these have been weak radiations that would also be stopped by a sheet of aluminum foil so your crinkled foil head cap should protect your brain in case of a total systems breakdown) I am interested in what they use for liquid, personally, as three to five gallons of light oil is too too many gallons of oil in case of a rupture and a fire due to a melt down.   Me, I would prefer a un-pressurized water filled unit that has a sight glass fill rod so you can see when you need to add some water.   Yeah, it might lose some water due to evaporation, but think of it as a winter time humidifier effect that you get for free. UL Safety Testing on American home heating devices will involve intentionally melting down a lot of cores and intentionally ruining a lot of units to prove it "always fails safely".   And this is as it should be, btw. I'd stick a unit on the hearth in my den and let it rip at whatever level you could stand to be in the room with it.   Ditto for another unit in my living room.   If I heated my downstairs well enough my upstairs is comfortable for sleeping (ran a wood stove for years down in the den so I know how my particular house works).

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/18/15 at 09:09:35 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/17/e-cat-commercial-rollout-leonardo-in-europe-industrial-heat-in-the-usa/ E-Cat Commercial Rollout: Leonardo in Europe, Industrial Heat in the USA? [Update: Rossi Estimates $3 Billion in Pre-Orders] Gist is that Leonardo Corp is doing Europe and most of the smaller African countries while Industrial Heat is going USA/North and South America and the China regions. And yes, they have been showing the pilot plant under non-disclosure terms and yes they already have 3 billion in pre-orders already, and that is with the minimal pending end of test information that was given out to the pilot plant preview people. You also get the sense that the distributor networks are finished forming now since we are getting leaks from Australian distributors and such now. 2016 should be an interesting year, as if the other guys don't get something started for certification runs they won't be done it time to do anything about the initial 2016  Rossi roll outs.   This will be tough to do as Brillouin hasn't even gotten his pilot plant capitalized yet. I expect lawyers to get tossed into the mix pretty soon to try to stop Rossi's early roll out as once that widespread roll out happens you will play hell saying the IP is yours (whomever you may be).   Rossi will have indeed gone into real production while you hadn't even built a pilot plant yet, much less done your safety certification runs.   You obviously didn't have a finalized anything.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/20/15 at 10:25:31 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/19/1-mw-e-cat-plant-watch-thread-update-1-rossi-production-cost-in-kw-is-very-competitive/ We have been hearing Rossi say he is using a guided E-Cat to drive and control several other "dumb" Cats which have no electrical inputs and that he uses this technique to greatly increase his COP values in the current 1 megawatt plant. Third party reviewers have been looking at this plant and have now let the resulting COP out of the bag  ---   20 COP at the low end, 80 COP at the high end. Now you begin to see why folks are lined up to buy the things now.  20 COP is PLENTY good enough to drive a car and   80 COP  is verging on as close to free energy compared to anything else anyone has ever shown.     UPDATE #22 (Apr 21, 2015) "Another comment about sources visiting the 1MW plant currently under test by Rossi from the Sifferkol website run by Torkel Nyberg (see here http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/?p=626: “I know first hand from very reliable sources that themselves have visited the Rossi/Industrial Heat E-Cat customer that the plant works very well. This has been verified both by measurements made by the customer and by significantly reduced electricity bills. The plant seems to be able to produce heat from electricity with a COP in the range of 20-80 depending on the level of self-sustain-mode applied. I guess that is what Rossi is working on right now.” Mats Lewan now has updated his blog post (see update #21 below) to confirm that he has heard the same information as reported on the Sifferkol site. He writes: UPDATE: Since a COP (Coefficient of Performance — output energy/input energy) ranging from 20 to 80 has been reported, I can confirm that I have got the same information." We have been hearing Rossi say he is using a single guided E-Cat to drive and control several other "dumb" Cats located inside the same reactor pressure vessel -- "dumb" Cats which have no electrical inputs -- and that he uses this "slaved" driving technique to greatly increase his overall COP values. NOTE:   Rossi has requested the references containing the information quoted here to be pulled as it violated the terms of NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS that are currently in effect.   This has been done, so this post becomes an orphan as far as reference material goes.   But those of you that clicked on the references quickly could and did see the references I copied from.   The original Sifferkol link still works (Sunday 9/20/15 7:00PM) but Mats Lewan's confirmation post has already been removed as well. Now you are left waiting again, for Rossi to finish the experimental run and for THE OFFICIAL REFEREE to state officially what the final COP is. If any of the stuff about 80 COP being driven off of a controlled central core using "dumb" slave cores in the same boiler body is correct, then somebody released something Rossi and Industrial Heat did NOT want released at this point in time. It has been silenced, again.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 09/20/15 at 11:33:00 There are 2 things left for him to do... what's the smallest cat he can make and what's the largest he can make. if a single smart cat can drive x dumb cats to a cop of 80... can a short smart cat drive a long dumb one? The "master-blaster" of the cats.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/20/15 at 12:31:24 Smallest so far is the size of a fat cigar. Largest seen experimentally was the size of your  leg (thigh section diameter and length).   Too large seems to make for internal hot spots and early failures though. Most common "large commercial size" was the size of 2-3 stacked commercial sized baked beans cans. He's got to get a much bigger one working for large commercial power plants (likely a master center core and a cluster set of large replaceable slaves) but right now he's got room heaters and cars and home heating systems pretty much sussed out. I think a smallish water desalination plant would be a dynamite product, steady load running and a very much appreciated thing on the world stage right now. Since you could combine a small capacity power generation station very easily (run the steam through a generator turbine before putting it into the cooling coils to condense out the drinking water)  it could be a way to bring the benefits of civilized life (water and power) to a lot of coastal areas of the third world.   The Gates Foundation could get behind this one, I think. This 20-80 COP really thins the field out as Brillouin was stretching it a bit to claim 4-6 cope out of what he was getting, and the Italians were at 3 COP when they went for patent. Rossi has patents pending on all of this now, and he has quick start up tricks and such involved with new his E-CatX that he is sitting on until he gets into real production with the standard E-Cats.   Knowing Rossi, he won't say how he does the rest of it until he has the green light on his 64 follow on patents and at least a patent pending on the new E-CatX technology. Like many, I think Tom Darden and Industrial Heat were a key element in Rossi being as successful as his is right now.   They gave him patent guidance, engineering support and financial support and lined up his 1 megawatt customer for him and were instrumental in negotiating with China, etc. etc. etc.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/22/15 at 07:54:36 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/22/rossi-if-test-successful-commercialization-to-start-march-2016/ Rossi: If Test Successful, E-Cat Commercialization to Start March 2016 Andrea Rossi September 22nd, 2015 at 7:04 AM Ivan Idso: If the results of the tests on course in the factory of the Customer, in Marh [sic] we will start the commercial program. To answer to you we’ll need a far more precise and detailed request. Please send detailed data to info@leonardocorp1996.com Warm Regards, A.R. Rossi is treating questions as "quote requests" now.   I think that latest "how well and exactly how it actually works" leak from the recent container visitors has put Rossi and Industrial Heat back into protect the IP mode again. We are 6 months from go day.   With  3 BILLION $$$  in pre-orders sitting in the barn it is a GO for production. At six months out firm orders for steel container weldments and sheet metal stamping & die work will be under way.   Design of the final assembly process will be under way as construction of nests and fixturing takes time.   Actual assembly will begin before the official go date. Tech Personnel will be being chosen and training will begin at the original container site and at the manufacturing site.   Industrial Heat has piloted their sell in method already -- you buy the steam for the first year and we run it , hand tune it to your job and improve on it until the first year proves itself out then you pay the balance that is due at that time and your trained techs take over.   Or you continue just to buy the steam at a discount rate and we own it and run it at your place of business using a locally hired technician that works for us.   If you want out, we pick up the container and you owe only for the steam that was delivered to you according to your contract. Realize that a two to four megawatt steam plant will still fit into a full sized container, just needs additional full height racks of 4 stacked steam vessels. :) Larger plants will likely lose the container and just grow row on row out on the plant floor.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 09/22/15 at 08:51:00 this is the separating the wheat from the chaff I get these questions dailly, you refer them to a contract admin to deflect the brain pickers that just want some free info from the legit customers. so it sounds like million dollar customers before 10 buck consumers. In a home installation, one of the key issues with off grid solar electricity was what to do with the surplus energy.  Seemed pretty simple to me, heat water.  With a home e-cat installation where heat is the primary, water heating and a/c should be the primary and electricity will be any overage assuming grid tie or solar is available.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by old_rider on 09/22/15 at 21:04:01 One question... How much is this "one container" "two system" going to cost the local township? Ok, maybe one more, how many U.S. homes will it power? I have a block of interested people, they think i'm nutz....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/23/15 at 04:35:38 Interesting dichotomy,  Big Oil Industry leaders believe and are dropping leases on marginal oil fields right and left --- have a nickname for LENR even, "The Black Swan effect".   To them, there are 3-5 different things cooking right now that could be their black swan for their industry, and it really matters not to them which one rings the black swan bell first.   Big Oil is investing in their eventual replacement technologies rather than just stop existing.    Big Oil is investing in LENR tech as well. Big Oil believes something is going to replace them inside the next 3-5 years and is reacting that way right now by dropping oil field leases right and left. However, main stream press is still saying to John Q public, repeatedly "Cold Fusion was a fraud".   The press fix is in, still.   This is sorta warped at this stage of things, I think. :-?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/23/15 at 09:39:44 Hints from "informed third parties" are now suggesting that 2-3 additional sites are now operational, at least one is perhaps governmental (which gov?) Sweden is likely, as is a USA DARPA site and a USA Navy site.   These may be refurbs of existing containers since DARPA and the Navy each supposedly had one of the original 100 core (COP of 3) container sets supposedly.   Installing a stack of 4 big cores in those containers would be no big thing, or selling it as a separate half container, ditto. COP of 20 to 80 would be aces to have in a remote war zone, water purification and power generation in the same package would be something DARPA would be all over in a heart beat.    Issue would be that they would want to restrict it to their own use as a military secret. ::)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 09/23/15 at 11:55:15 here's one that's a year old... http://www.popsci.com/article/science/dubious-cold-fusion-machine-acquired-north-carolina-company

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/24/15 at 05:00:47 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/23/rossi-working-to-fit-e-cat-x-within-us-patent-predicts-150-patents-pending-this-year/ Yeah, looking back just a year ago seems sorta simple and laid back compared to what is going on now. Rossi Working to Fit E-Cat X Within US Patent, Predicts 150 Patents Pending This Year E CatX is on Rossi's mind as he works on new patents to cover the new cluster tech that is slowly becoming clearer out of the comments from folks visiting his container.    He is striving for the existing patents to cover the "basis" of the new tech and he is doing follow on patents as needed to clarify the master slave relationship between a driven core and a slave core on the control side of things.    Plus he needs to patent his new construction materials that were developed in this effort.   Rossi and Industrial Heat are spending millions on all these patents, and you don't drop those sorts of coins unless you got something to protect. I am learning a new term "Muon"  and the follow on "Muon-catalyzed fusion" from the follower people.  You need to learn the new terminology so you will be an educated old codger.    The quote is from Wikipedia, so although a new term to me it is an old term to science. "Muon-catalyzed fusion ([ch956]CF) is a process allowing nuclear fusion to take place at temperatures significantly lower than the temperatures required for thermonuclear fusion, even at room temperature or lower. It is one of the few known ways of catalyzing nuclear fusion reactions. Muons are unstable subatomic particles. They are similar to electrons, but are about 207 times more massive. If a muon replaces one of the electrons in a hydrogen molecule, the nuclei are consequently drawn 207[1][2] times closer together than in a normal molecule. When the nuclei are this close together, the probability of nuclear fusion is greatly increased, to the point where a significant number of fusion events can happen at room temperature. Current techniques for creating large numbers of muons require large amounts of energy, larger than the amounts produced by the catalyzed nuclear fusion reactions. This prevents it from becoming a practical power source. Moreover, each muon has about a 1% chance of "sticking" to the alpha particle produced by the nuclear fusion of a deuterium with a tritium, removing the "stuck" muon from the catalytic cycle, meaning that each muon can only catalyze at most a few hundred deuterium tritium nuclear fusion reactions. So, these two factors, of muons being too expensive to make and then sticking too easily to alpha particles, limit muon-catalyzed fusion to a laboratory curiosity. To create useful room-temperature muon-catalyzed fusion reactors would need a cheaper, more efficient muon source and/or a way for each individual muon to catalyze many more fusion reactions. Muon-catalyzed fusion is a well established and understood fusion mechanism. Although it is also a relatively low temperature process, it is distinct from cold fusion." Arguably what is happening inside the steam vessel is there is a free flowing abundance or "cloud" of muons surrounding the single active controlled core -- resulting in a lower level of activity in the slave cores.   As you hot up the controlled core the cloud intensifies and the slaves become more active and begin contributing muons to the cloud.   Activity of the slaves increases until it can become self-sustaining with a minimum power boost from the active core (which goes into sort of a lower power maintenance state and then acts as a rheostat for the entire steam vessel).     There is a difference in mixture between master and slave cores as they have completely different jobs to do.    A slave core would be hard put to get excited enough to melt down, but you can pack a lot of slaves into the empty space around a master as they will last a goodly while and they each DO each contribute to the production of steam.   Slaves need not be cylindrical, they could be spherical in nature so they could be fed into the steam vessel from the top and removed from the bottom for maintenance purposes.   A master core would likely be cylindrical and be inserted inside a somewhat protected space in the middle of things. Muons are "fat electrons" and carry the   -   charge same as a standard electron and they move around about the same way.   They result in a charged cloud inside the reactor that could be tapped for direct DC electricity or simply grounded out, but this would likely dampen the master slave effect if you drew too much out of the cloud (yup, yet another control system to prevent run away, looks like). Needless to say, all this is pure conjecture on the parts of folks who seem to know more about it than I do, but it seems to fall in line with what is know in Thorium and other reactors that use a hard neutron cloud to do the same sort of thing. I would estimate this mind view is approximately 50% correct and lacks all of the necessary tricks to make it really really work.   But it gives you a better idea how an 80 COP can be had. And it also seems to indicate that a 200 COP may be possible in a steady state steady load implementation (no variation, ever) affair after enough development work and tuning is done on it. Just about free energy .....  no standard radiation at all.   A muon cloud inside several layers of steel can't project any known effects outside the steel casings other than perhaps some magnetic effects.   A moving or swirling or pulsing muon cloud could project electromagnetic effects outside of the containment vessel though .....   hmmmmm.     Short the thing out 60 times a second and you got what, a collapsing field effect on an outside wound coil?   Making 60 cycle DC?  Combine it with the short out current and that could make what --- choppy AC? Lots of work has been done on this sort of thing for the hot fusion tokamak style reactors the hot fusion guys have been chasing.   Complicated fussy devices, tokamaks -- very anti-rossi in their thinking I would have to say.   Shorting out the muon cloud and capturing the collapse field with a big winding to make some ongoing free stutter power, now that might be more Rossi.    All part of the control system to keep it from running away, of course. Much needs to be studied to understand these effects completely, and when this understanding is achieved lower cost and greater effectiveness will naturally take place. I would think that some Rossi licensed competition will eventually take place between 3-5 major players that will eventually combine down into 2-3 corporations that will supply these devices to the world. We will not recognize daily life once energy is free -- live wherever you want to just as long as you have a water supply and can get mail packages.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/27/15 at 15:04:43 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/27/tom-darden-on-lenr-interview-in-fortune-magazine/ Tom Darden on LENR: Interview in Fortune Magazine http://fortune.com/2015/09/27/ceo-cherokee-investment-partners-low-energy-nuclear-reaction/ http://https://fortunedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/tom_57_0056.jpg?quality=80&w=840&h=485&crop=1 "A prominent North Carolina investor is backing a new kind of fusion that operates at much lower temperatures than thought possible, which would make it easier to commercialize. So far the early results show promise. Tom Darden, the founder and CEO of the $2.2 billion private equity fund Cherokee Investment Partners, made his mark by acquiring and cleaning up hundreds of environmentally contaminated sites. Today he is also an early stage investor in clean technology, having put his own money into dozens of companies in areas ranging from smart grid to renewable energy, and prefab green buildings. More recently he’s backed a new approach to fusion, a potentially abundant and carbon-free form of energy that would operate at a much lower temperatures than big government projects around the world, which require temperatures of 100 million degrees centigrade and more. This new technology, called Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) is related but very different from the cold fusion technology that in 1989 researchers Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann claimed to have licked when they revealed to the world a simple tabletop machine designed to achieve a fusion reaction at room temperature. Their experiment was eventually debunked and since then the term cold fusion has become almost synonymous with scientific chicanery. What does Darden, a no-nonsense, investor with a sharp eye on the bottom line and a successful track record, see in this new, risky technology? Fortune’s Brian Dumaine spoke to him to find out. Q: How did you get involved with low-temperature fusion? A: Well, I thought the issue was moot after scientists failed to replicate the Fleischman and Pons initial cold fusion experiments. I was literally unaware that people were working on this in labs. I’ve made about 35 clean technology investments, and I thought that if someone’s doing this I should have heard about it. Then three years ago I started to hear about progress being made in the field and I said, “darn, you have to be kidding, it doesn’t make sense.” As it turns out, many of those early efforts to replicate cold fusion did not correctly load the test reactors or attempt to properly measure heat. The scientists trying to replicate the work of Fleischman and Pons were mainly looking for nuclear signals, like radiation, which generally are not present. They missed that heat was the main by-product. In addition, I learned that there have been nearly 50 reported positive test results, including experiments at Oak Ridge, Los Alamos, EPRI, and SRI. Q: The conventional wisdom is that LENR violates the laws of physics. A: That’s right. To create fusion energy you have to break the bonds in atoms and that takes a tremendous amount of force. That’s why the big government fusion projects have to use massive lasers or extreme heat—millions degrees centigrade—to break the bonds. Breaking those bonds at much lower temperatures is inconsistent with the laws of physics, as they’re now known. Q: What changed your mind? A: Scientists get locked into paradigms until the paradigm shifts. Then everyone happily shifts to the new truth and no one apologizes for being so stupid before. Low temperature fusion could be consistent with existing theories, we just don’t know how. It’s like when physicists say that according to the laws of aerodynamics bumblebees can’t fly but they do. Q: So you licensed the technology of Andrea Rossi, an Italian scientist and entrepreneur who’s been having some success with cold fusion. A: That’s right. Rossi’s was one of the first investments we made. We’ve been seeing the creation of isotopes and energy releases at relatively low temperatures—1,000 degrees centigrade, which could be a sign that fusion has occurred. We have sponsored tests and more research for Rossi’s work. A group of Swedish scientists tested the technology, and they got good results. A number of other people say they are also getting positive results but these haven’t been confirmed. A Russian scientist, for example claims to have replicated Rossi’s work in Switzerland and got excess heat. That’s a good sign Q: So you’re optimistic? A: Yes, In fact, Rossi was awarded an important U.S. patent recently, which is part of what we licensed, covering the use of nickel, platinum or palladium powders, as well as other components, in his heat-producing device. This is one of very few LENR-related patents to date. But let me make one thing very clear. We don’t know for sure yet whether it will be commercially feasible. We’ve invested more than $10 million so far in Rossi’s and other LENAR technology and we’ll spend substantially more than that before we know for certain because we want to crush all the tests. (Recently, we have been joined by Woodford Investment Management in the U.K., which has made a much larger investment into our international LENR activities—so we are well funded.) Cold fusion has such a checkered past and is so filled with hypesters and people with a gold rush, get-rich-quick mentality. We need to be calm, prudent and not exaggerate. I don’t want to say that cold fusion is real until we can absolutely prove it in ten different ways and then persuade our worst critics to join our camp. Q: If it does work, what are the implications? A: I’m doing this for the environment. If cold fusion works, it would address air pollution including carbon. It could be a game changer." Fortune Magazine, huh?   Sounds like Darden is going to be the point man on setting up the "new world view" PR change over on E-Cat and he is quietly going about doing that job.     Rossi can't do that job because he cause too much controversy whenever he opens his mouth, but just like the LENR expo, Darden can do it very smoothly without batting an eyelash. Nice interview.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/27/15 at 15:18:55 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/27/rossi-studying-use-of-abb-collaborative-robots-for-e-cat-production-line/ http://new.abb.com/products/robotics Rossi: Studying Use of ABB Collaborative Robots for E-Cat Production Line Posted on September 27, 2015 by Frank Acland • 1 Comment "Over the years we have heard Andrea Rossi talk about having a “robotic factory” build E-Cats when they move into the mass production phase of E-Cats. For a long time it was rather a vague statement, but today we get a better idea of what has been on Rossi’s mind. Here’s a question and response from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today about ABB Robotics (Asea Brown Boveri), a major robotic company based in Zurich, Switzerland. Gunnar Lindberg September 27th, 2015 at 10:05 AM Dear Andrea Rossi, May I ask if you are collaborating with Asea Brown Boveri using their robots? They have capacity to build a robotic factory within months. Best regards¨ Gunnar Lindberg Andrea Rossi September 27th, 2015 at 1:38 PM Gunnar Lindberg: Yes, we are studying their small “Collaborative Robots” and I think that they will be integrated in our production systems. Congrats: you understand quickly. Warm Regards, A.R. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=278&v=2KfXY2SvlmQ     robotics videos, click on them Remember, these dudes use their own robots to build their own robots, so fancy that, huh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UluhIJXIkBA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7-il9SOEz0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD4aab6V6I8 To get a better idea of what ABB’s latest collaborative robots are all about, here’s a set of videos from the company discussing their next generation of robots, and this might be what Rossi has in mind for making the E-Cat. Rossi has said that they are looking to make their devices as economically as possible, to create economies of scale, and discourage reverse engineering — and automation will need to play an important role in that effort. I can’t imagine these robots come very cheap, and there will need to be a good deal of investment to set up a production line with them." "It is said" that ABB can set up your robotic assembly line inside of 30 days.   If so and if Rossi, Woodford Investment Management and Industrial Heat value the speed of entry above the high cost of ABB's production cells, then they have indeed found a way to do the needed high levels of production on the reactor cores and on the critical electronic control systems and all the necessary wiring with it ALL BEING DONE IN HOUSE under their complete control, while keeping a very tight hold over all their industrial secrets. The steel enclosures and the steam plumbing are NOT secret at all, and can be sublet in lots of places world wide and shipped in to their manufacturing plant in pick and place containers for final assembly. Remember, the reactor cores and the electronic controls are what need to be kept under tight secrecy wraps.   I see a separate plant for cores and electronics with only totally trusted employees being allowed inside, ever.   Robots, after all, don't blab about their work and they don't take bathroom breaks or lunch breaks or any other sort of break unless of course, they are the ones that break.    ;) Woodford Investment Management in the U.K. are the ones working directly with ABB to get the production cells set up.   Once the cell is set up, more cells can be put into shipping containers to go to the USA and other places in the world in order to replicate the already programmed ready to go cellular production facility. Think of continuous 24 hour a day robotic assembly ......  in your country.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/27/15 at 19:33:17 The scientists trying to replicate the work of Fleischman and Pons were mainly looking for nuclear signals, like radiation, which generally are not present. They missed that heat was the main by-product. In addition, I learned that there have been Really? They didn't know what they were looking for? Uh huhh ,I believe that

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/28/15 at 04:08:48 I can, they were Nuclear Scientists and that is how they always detected something was happening.   The Geiger counter was their standard tool. When they got no Geiger counter clicks, they "knew" they had nothing going on. Please remember their general attitude as well, they KNEW it couldn't work going in. Still got the same attitude, still.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/28/15 at 13:47:01 In order to replicate an experiment I know I would want to know what the claimed results were of the people whose experiment it was that I was trying to replicate. If they didn't bother to read what the experiment was supposed to do, that's not science, that's politics. If I decided your experiment was supposed to make a cake and I mixed the baking soda and vinegar and got a volcano, then, your experiment can't be duplicated. Looks like someone funded Coff, coff, Scientists My attitude won't change on that. It wouldn't be the first time scientists have been used to promote or suppress an idea. to suppress technology.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 09/28/15 at 14:09:00 1330383A393030392E5C0 wrote: Q: If it does work, what are the implications? A: I’m doing this for the environment. If cold fusion works, it would address air pollution including carbon. It could be a game changer."[/b][/color] "IF" !?! still not 100% convinced? Maybe cold fusion is a misnomer to the general public, but these are nuclear guys.  Being a table top experiment shoulda gave these guys a clue... no radiation, hence the term COLD.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/29/15 at 07:46:42 Signs are popping up that E-Cat X indeed uses higher melting point powders -- platinum and palladium seem to be the best guesses at this point. This also explains why Rossi is doing materials study at this point in time since the thing would run up way way on up there, around the melt temps of most of the common materials used previously.   It would produce VERY HIGH TEMPERATURE SUPER-HEATED STEAM too.   Premium Steam. Question pops up, can a nickel based (easily made and controlled) master cell produce the muons to excite some surrounding slave cells that actually use different materials ???? I mean, a muon is a muon is a muon, right? Envision a taller steam chamber with a E-Cat master at the bottom with a layered stack of  E-Cat X slaves over the top of it -- the master stays down in the water (and runs at E-Cat boiling water temperatures) and some of the slave layers are completely exposed for white hot superheating soak duty. Yup, E-Cat X will have to be built of esoteric materials all the way ......   but your steam car and steam power generator are all very possible if this tech becomes fully realized. ;)    .... hey, they didn't throw the entire 10 column of the periodic table into this US Patent thing just on a wimsy, you know .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/30/15 at 06:51:46 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/30/woodford-equity-income-fund-invested-in-industrial-heat-after-2-5-years-of-due-diligence/ Woodford Equity Income Fund Invested in Industrial Heat after 2.5 Years of Due Diligence Posted on September 30, 2015 by Frank Acland • 4 Comments Thanks to pg for finding this from the Woodford Equity Income Fund website. This British investment fund (publicly traded) which has invested in Industrial Heat. Tom Darden said in his recent interview with Fortune magazine that Woodford Investment Management had made a “much larger investment” into Industrial Heat than Cherokee Investment Partners’ own $10 million investment. Someone on the Woodford funds’ website posted that they were very unhappy to see the fund investing 1.72% of the fund invested into industrial heat because cold fusion appeared to violate the laws of known physics. Paul Farrow of Woodford responded: PAUL FARROW says:You will also note that Industrial Heat arranged all of this progress August 18, 2015 at 9:19 pm Hi John,You will also note that Industrial Heat arranged all of this progress Many thanks for your comment and we’d like to reassure you that we do follow a thorough due diligence process for all our investments, irrespective of their size or the fund they are invested in. With regard to Industrial Heat, we were, and have been, very aware of the scepticism about this technology. We have undertaken a rigorous due diligence process that has taken two and half years. The company is currently working with numerous scientists and is acquiring both the technology and teams required to maximise the potential of this, and other, new energy technologies. The company recently said that it is willing to invest time and resources to see if this technology might be an area of useful research in its quest to eliminate pollution. We share this quest for what we believe will be a significant development and exploitation of new energy sources. https://woodfordfunds.com/focus-on-long-term/#comment-6294 So it sounds like Woodford Investment Management have done some serious homework on Industrial Heat and have found that they like what they see. It’s interesting to read from this comment that IH is looking at other new energy sources — this would be in addition to Rossi’s E-Cat — which is something Tom Darden has said they are doing. From the comments below the post: I quote myself from lenr-forum: https://woodfordfunds.com/our-... Woodford Patient Capital Trust total assets £844.8m Industrial Heat is 1.72% of the fund's total portfolio. 1.72% of £844.8m is £14.53m £14.53m is $22m So Industrial Heat got 22 million dollars from Woodford? • Reply•Share › Avatar paul42 • 13 minutes ago Appears to be approximately a $40 million dollar investment. Do you think you can set up an assembly plant with 22 to 40 million dollars?   I think you can with no trouble, especially if you are using ABB Robotics to do the line work. Next -- Payback period.  Woodford Investment Management has to turn a profit on their investments or else report a loss to their fund holders (something they are loathe to do) as their stockholders get antsy fairly quickly. I see a first plant making a first product to fulfill the 3 billion in pre-existing orders all within the first year of production.   I see 2016 as being a critical year and the E-Cat making or breaking its initial business presence in this time period.   Work will continue with E-Cat X but the initial roll out will be 20-80 COP nickel E-Cat in the already proven out industrial nickel based E-Cat format. The boys know they can roll a controlled initial success doing that, with a follow on upgraded product to follow in a year or so, retro-fit with the first set of used up cores. They will know the flange size of E-Cat X and the needed configuration for the extra cores, so the steam enclosures will be good for the upgrade.   Plus the initial wave of excited slave cores can be nickel based, nobody says you HAVE to superheat everything right off the bat as the cost involved in E-Cat X will be greater due to esoteric materials that have to be used.   There is a big enough market for wet steam (nickel based) to provide a good starting point. You will also note that Industrial Heat arranged all of this progress, but Woodford takes over now as the majority investor.   But since they are buying into the Industrial Heat plan, that might not change things up initially very much -- everyone is focused in on a successful launch next year. Brillouin must be munching on green liver envy as they see their  $$$ 20 million $$$  that THEY NEEDED SO DESPERATELY for their proof-out pilot plant going instead to Rossi for his first full production plant. Rossi's lead by the end of next year may well be insurmountable.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/30/15 at 09:38:45 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/28/not-just-nickel-but-palladium-and-platinum-on-the-table-for-the-e-cat/ Not Just Nickel, but Palladium and Platinum on the Table for the E-Cat Posted on September 28, 2015 by Frank Acland • 13 Comments "We don’t know for sure what the E-Cat X is comprised of, but Andrea Rossi has said it uses different materials in the reactor compared to the old version of the Hot Cat tested at Lugano which used nickel powder along with lithium and hydrogen. From some recent comments by Andrea Rossi and Tom Darden it might be that the E-Cat X is using either palladium and/or platinum. Steve Karels asked Rossi today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics the following questions, and Rossi’s answers are provided: Dear Andrea Rossi, In you posting with Hank Mills, you indicated that eCat technology with other metals, namely Palladium and Platinum, might be possible even though they are more expensive than Nickel. Can we therefore assume: a. You have experimented with Palladium and with Platinum in eCat technology use? AR: yes b. Are you saying that for specific, unique applications, Palladium or Platinum might have a possible advantage over Nickel? AR: this issue is the subject of a patent we are preparing Separately, in Tom Darden’s interview with Fortune Magazine he specifically mentioned platinum and palladium when he talked about the patent that Andrea Rossi was recently awarded by the USPTO. He said: Rossi was awarded an important U.S. patent recently, which is part of what we licensed, covering the use of nickel, platinum or palladium powders, as well as other components, in his heat-producing device. The fact that Rossi is currently preparing a patent that covers Pd and Pt may be a hint that they are used in a technology they are currently developing — this could point to the E-Cat X. One issue the use of palladium and platinum raises is that of cost. Nickel is far cheaper than these metals, and being able to use a common metal like nickel in an E-Cat has been one of the attractive features of E-Cat technology. If Pd and Pt are going to be used in the reactor mix it would raise the price of fuel — although it may be that only small amounts would be needed. If demand for E-Cat technology was high, this could also drive up the price of the metals used. There’s not much information to go on so far, but Andrea Rossi seems to think that there are a lot of advantages in the E-Cat X compared to the old Hot Cat (although he does not specify exactly what they are), so maybe if there are cost differences, the advantages may outweigh the extra expense." And, from the comments below: Omega Z • 2 days ago Note, aside from the rest of my post, I found something of interest that may be a clue that Rossi is playing with Platinum or Palladium. Nickel is ferromagnetic where Palladium & Platinum are Paramagnetic. I was unfamiliar with paramagnetic. On Wiki- Under Paramagnetic, there is a section on "Curie's law" Is this reference to Rossi's M. Curie X-cat Also separate on Wiki- Curie's law and Palladium hydride. ---------------------------------------------------------- Some time ago, someone(?) involved in LENR determined there isn't enough Palladium and Platinum in the world to supply all the Worlds current energy needs even with 100% recycling. Note those energy needs will increase by at least 2 fold in time. Platinum occurs at a concentration of only 0.005 ppm in Earth's crust. Best guesstimates is there's about 66,000 tons of Platinum on this planet(Almost all of it, some 95 percent, is located in the Earth’s crust of South Africa) & even less Palladium exists & much of it wont be reclaimable. Thus, one of the reasons they are looking for alternative materials for batteries, catalytic converter, fuel cells and such. Note even at present prices(A temporary market situation), many mines operate in the red. It's expensive to extract at 3 to 4 grams average per ton of raw material. ---------------------------------------------------------- This however doesn't exclude the possible use of Palladium and/or Platinum in LENR. It could be alloyed to Nickel with Nickel being the primary. Thus insignificant amounts of Platinum or Palladium may be needed per reactor charge & the net gain being greater then the 2. Platinum or Palladium devices could also be used for special requirements where the cost is offset by the benefit. Note that a gain in temperature isn't necessarily the primary gain in LENR. It could be a gain in performance (Increased COP or stability) at the same temperatures. Palladium's melting points is 1554.9°C. 100°C higher then Nickel. Platinum is 1768.3°C or a little over 300°C higher. Also, As the temperatures increase, containment(and accessories) becomes an issue that require more exotic & expensive materials. Me, I think Rossi is making new avenues into new reactions and new materials -- remember please that Rossi has to teach himself each new piece as he stumbles into it, whereas Industrial Heat and Woodford would just go hire an expert in that field to collaborate with them during development.   Rossi's ego is getting in the way some already.    As is his compulsive need for secrecy. Soon, the knowledge base will erupt from being Rossi centered to being Corporate Lab centered and then things will REALLY begin to move on out .......

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/30/15 at 15:17:54 Today the EU Patent Authority reviewed the patent for Pantinelli vs the patent for Rossi that was granted in the USA and they threw out Pantinelli's patent.  It has been officially disallowed.   Right now Rossi is the only one with an active patent on this thing that isn't Chinese, Russian, Japanese or Swedish.   Those could get disallowed quickly according to later filing dates AND a lack of functionality both of which can be proven at this point if Rossi's legal team moves on it quickly enough. Rossi's legal team which includes lawyers for Industrial Heat, for Cherokee Investments and for Woodford Investment Management are jointly proceeding to remove the conflicting patents granted in other countries by people who can't really make their stuff go beyond a 3 COP.   Removal of these garbage patents is timely NOW before beginning of full plant production of Rossi's devices. Pantinelli was the only one with a chance of proving previous art but the previous art wasn't able to be proved, and due to the late date of his filing and the fact that Pantinelli actually made claims for stuff that he can't prove that he actually ever did but it was stuff that he just saw Rossi doing.   They worked together for a while, you know.   They were friends, even. The lawyers are out now in play and it's going to start to get nasty.  Each camp will have to put up or shut up.   Billions are at stake -- and nasty is simply just the name of the game at the founding of a new industry. 3 billion in first year sales is at stake right now, if the Rossi patent can be pre-defended by preemptive legal strikes against the also-rans (doing it early, while the other guys really don't have anything to show).   Get rid of all the competition that you can, those that have weak low COP LENR processes and weak, vague patents.  If you don't go after them now, then they will come after you with a crop of restraining orders when you start your real production runs. They will each want money from you as you are successful and have the big money and they don't -- but they can try to stop you from proceeding with a simple restraining order unless you choose to reach a settlement with them.   OR, by overturning their patents now, you stop them from having that ability. Then the Rossi Crew can feel comfortable enough to go build their robotic plant and go about the doing of it ..... :-/ The Mitsubishi patents are worrying as Mitsubishi has more money for better lawyers than they do.   Plus it's Japan, Japanese commercial patent law. The NASA work and DARPA work can't really be touched, as you can't sue the Government.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 10/06/15 at 06:51:28 http://experimentalmath.info/blog/2015/10/interview-with-andrea-rossi-lenr-energy-pioneer/ Rossi attempts a small interview Rossi isn't the best PR face his group can put forward -- it is a fact.    His interview is stilted and he still suffers through the "translational English" effects with his answers. However, he came forward and he tried and actually he kept his foot out of his mouth.   And it was an interview by two somewhat respectable scientific reporters who had no immediate axe to grind with him from his past or whatever else folks have hated on him for so much in the past. Rossi has given up on convincing people of anything, he is less than 5 months from going commercial and his 20-80 COP results are oozing out of multiple trustworthy INDEPENDENT mouths now. How so, these independent, trustworthy mouths?   How about the US Navy NAVSEA WARFARE CENTER ??? Click on it, less than 3 minutes and WELL WORTH LOOKING AT      http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Attachment/386-IEEE-brief-DeChiaro-9-2015-pdf/ This military briefing presentation is the best current summary I have ever seen.   Nothing but the verified facts, jack.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/06/15 at 07:18:12 If this works out the way I'm hoping, this could be the greatest scientific leap of my lifetime.And my generation has SEEN some leaps.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 10/06/15 at 07:34:23 Did you notice this little nugget on the 3-4 slide ..... JWK Int. & SPAWAR saw 100% reproducibility with Pd/D2 co-deposition before SPAWAR effort was shut down (RASO scare), 2012. The Navy shut down its own experiments due to the "RASO" scare as they were looking at something back in 2012 ..... Wonder what they melted down or blew up .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 10/06/15 at 08:29:49 This one was of interest for me... Quote: Experimental Results Since 1989 – Excess Heat >> chemistry (F&P, SRI, CL, Bockris, Storms, Energetics, ENEA, Miley, Swartz) – 4He, commensurate with excess heat (SRI, China Lake (CL), ENEA) – Low intensity, soft X-rays (0.5-20 kev), (SRI, CL, SPAWAR, Karabut) – Tritium Production; a species of nuclear ash (BARC, Bockris, Storms, Claytor, SPAWAR, SRI) – CR-39 tracks suggest MeV neutron emission. (SPAWAR, BARC, Takahashi, Jones, Mizuno) – Many nuclear transmutations, [ch916]Z = +2, +4, +6 (MHI, Mizuno, Bockris, Dash, SPAWAR) – Sensitivity to radio freq & near IR stimulation (Bockris, Letts/Hagelstein, NRL). – Emission of strong RF signals near 85 GHz (ENEA) and 1-5 MHz (NRL). You have to shield it from internal x-rays, external RF, and internal RF. Who knows, maybe somebodies cb radio will send it into overdrive and crater you. And RF emissions will be the way to extract electricity from it.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 10/06/15 at 08:57:18 2D3E2928373A3C3E356A5B0 wrote: This one was of interest for me... Quote: Experimental Results Since 1989 – Excess Heat >> chemistry (F&P, SRI, CL, Bockris, Storms, Energetics, ENEA, Miley, Swartz) – 4He, commensurate with excess heat (SRI, China Lake (CL), ENEA) – Low intensity, soft X-rays (0.5-20 kev), (SRI, CL, SPAWAR, Karabut) – Tritium Production; a species of nuclear ash (BARC, Bockris, Storms, Claytor, SPAWAR, SRI) – CR-39 tracks suggest MeV neutron emission. (SPAWAR, BARC, Takahashi, Jones, Mizuno) – Many nuclear transmutations, [ch916]Z = +2, +4, +6 (MHI, Mizuno, Bockris, Dash, SPAWAR) – Sensitivity to radio freq & near IR stimulation (Bockris, Letts/Hagelstein, NRL). – Emission of strong RF signals near 85 GHz (ENEA) and 1-5 MHz (NRL). You have to shield it from internal x-rays, external RF, and internal RF. Who knows, maybe somebodies cb radio will send it into overdrive and crater you. And RF emissions will be the way to extract electricity from it. Remember as you read this, some of these guys are using an arc discharge to release all available energy from their particular form of nickel substrate.   Some are blasting small palladium wire sections with some"explosive" results.   Some were searching for rocket engines.  some were searching for other things.  All are experimental looking at this stage of things, with none of them having built a full scale prototype plant yet. There are an easy dozen ways to do LENR now .... only one way so far has high enough COP and no known radiation other than heat that has ever escaped the reactor vessel itself.   And that's Rossi and his ECat. Me, I want to see NASA's experimental Mars rocket plant crank up .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 10/12/15 at 14:35:20 Just noticed the "carbon bubble" report was on the LENR site.   :o I also found numerous new tech using the campfire to generate electricity. It appears they are gearing up for the "new fire".   8-)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 10/12/15 at 18:29:50 Yeah I read that like you have a EU regulatory agency now saying that you're going to have to be careful about phasing in LENR and the other black swans for fear of disrupting the entire economy. I still see 3 to 4 completely different technologies being developed to do different ranges of energy production "most efficiently".

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/12/15 at 23:21:03 disrupt the economy. Eliminate wars for resources, sold to us as invasions to spread democracy. Leave money in the pockets of consumers. Rossi gets rich beyond measure. American exports of weapons fall.Dramatically. Economic turmoil for the war profiteers. Savings and energy independence not just for America, but think what this would mean for third world countries where people cook on open fire in the home, smoke in their lives, damaging the health of the family. They lied to us about the technology for twenty years, now, since it appears to be inevitable, scare tactics are being used. It's a competition to satisfy a need. The winner needs to be chosen by the market, not the owned and operated legislators, many of whom are heavily invested in oil. Since oil is  in the dollar a gallon range, why is a quart still five bucks?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 10/15/15 at 05:33:09 I know several of you guys are following along on the E-Cat World pages now, but did you catch this one deep inside a comments page? Topic was why no neutrons escape the basic E-Cat, ever.  Reason is that the triple steel shell construction Rossi seems to prefer always stops any very occasional stray low energy neutron -- even during the rare melt down events. WHY DID ROSSI DO THIS?    Answer is in his original memoirs as being written and published ongoing by Matts Lewan (he releases a new edited version with new chapters every year or so). This is an excerpt from Mats Lewan's An Impossible Invention describing a time when Rossi detected neutrons when pushing the E-Cat to its limits. "Rossi continued to experiment with his reactors in Bondeno, among other things to test the reactor’s limits. One way was to push it harder, to where it was self-sustaining, without assistance from the electric heating cartridges. He knew it was dangerous because the reaction could become unstable. He later described an incident one night in June 2010, when he was, as usual, working alone in the laboratory and the temperature inside the reactor began to rise uncontrollably." "In the balmy summer night Rossi followed the temperature development in the device that was set up in the spartan hangar with its gray concrete floor and gray walls. None of his measures to suppress the reaction helped yet he stayed stubbornly to see what he could learn. It exploded finally and loudly while a couple of parts flew across the hangar. This time Rossi was scared. Unlike earlier explosions, this time he was wearing the radiation detectors Focardi had taught him to use and they were full of bubbles—a sure sign of dangerous neutron radiation. How strong the radiation dose was he did not know but it probably decayed quickly. He knew that the reactor materials were not radioactive and had now learned that the weak radioactivity during the reaction should subside within 20 minutes after the reactor was stopped. No harm done, he noted, but he also thought that he must establish greater safety margins and keep the reaction running with support from the electric heaters in the future." Mats Lewan. An Impossible Invention (Kindle Locations 1436-1441). Mats Lewan. Why is E-Cat safe?   It is designed to be safe.    And now that Rossi has better equipment, he runs a recording Geiger counting device on his work bench at all times so he can see what these little unexpected events actually do.  Rossi has melted down hundreds of E-Cats by now, and it is also worth noting that E-Cats no longer build up pressure inside trapped vessels any more no matter how hot they get, but are designed to run at slight negative pressures once the lithium melts and coats the nickel powder grains.   Plus there is always a weak point provided in the innermost core of the device which is intended to melt and vent the thing so no explosive internal pressure is ever produced by any gassifying materials at very high temperatures.   All vaporous lithium gasses, etc. stay inside a tri-shell Rossi design anyway until they can cool down and re-solidify. Rossi, unlike most other past break-through scientists like Tesla, is having his trials and times carefully recorded and published AS THEY HAPPEN by qualified biographers.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 10/16/15 at 09:06:03 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/10/15/lundin-and-lidgren-predict-cop-of-over-1000-based-on-their-theory/ Theoretical scientists are closing in on a LENR theory that seems to work -- and the theory implies that much MUCH higher COP values are possible. Rossi now admits to having run some E-Cats up at the higher "always self-supporting" levels, but he says he always winds up with materials failures fairly shortly at those temperature levels as they spike up into the destruct range on their own.   Significantly stronger & higher melting point materials are needed. So, now you know why Rossi just built himself a brand new Florida-based state of the art super high temp materials lab that can construct the new bits and pieces that are needed to support his latest E-Cat X developmental process.   Rossi personally is moving to Florida to bird dog the new stuff under development.   He is no longer in residence inside his shipping container. And why, in Cary NC, a brand new high security 20,000 foot robotics only assembly plant is under way, to be run by Industrial Heat.   A similar plant is going into Europe to be run by Woodford.   The existing E-Cat is plenty good enough at 20-80 COP and it will be produced and shipped ASAP to fill the 3 billion in existing orders. These plants will build only the existing 250mw E-Cats (the low cost traditional nickle/lithium type) that are to be used in the industrial steam plants and for large scale building heating. Rossi is waiting on his industrial certifications and he will ship industrial units before even beginning to mess with commercial and home installations.   I am sure Industrial Heat has been approached by the major furnace and water heater companies already for them to get licensed to build Rossi core home furnaces and home water heaters.   A single sub-250kw core could heat your water all year long and with kicking in a second and third (for bigger houses and businesses) sub-250kw core you could heat your home with a unified system that moves hot water from the water heater past a heat exchanger coil in the duct work or through floorboard radiators. And, when they are ready, the E-Cat X super duper high temp cores may well use the same flange size, but will likely require an electronic control package upgrade and perhaps a stronger walled boiler vessel as well. ::)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/16/15 at 20:33:26 2,500 100watt light bulbs. That would warm a place up.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by old_rider on 10/18/15 at 05:41:51 I have always like the idea of radiant heat for homes. In the old days up north with the boilers in the basement and a couple of radiators in the bottom floor, the vents would be in the ceiling of the lower rooms so that heat could pass to the upstairs rooms (we used to listen to tv through the vent in the upstairs room floor :) ) Here in florida radiant heat projects were taking off about 6 years ago on new builds, but have died out a bit because of electric pricing. LENR would definitely change the way homes were built... if you would have a generator in each home. However, using the excess heat in winter would be fine...but how to cycle the heat from under the home, to where? in the summer?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 10/18/15 at 06:31:25 Rossi has a cigar sized core that could maintain a hot water heater's temp just fine in the summer time. Same unit could house one larger core that could heat your home in the winter just fine. Since Rossi says he has better "adjustability" in his new cores that he didn't have before, perhaps the bigger cores can go down to a near idle state when heat isn't needed. Size of the things has gone down drastically in the last year -- the one megawatt plant was a 40 foot container, then it was a half container, now it is sized to 2mx2mx1m. "the real volume occupied by a 1 MW generator is m 2 of height, m 2 of length and m 1 of width, as you can see for a total of 4 cubic meters". This is 1 1/2 times the size of your current basement vertical furnace system, but this thing is over 100 times STRONGER than your basement furnace. Much of the required space is access room which will go down again as the equipment becomes routine and considered reliable (no access on a side or two ever needed). Having seen a 1 megawatt plant go from container, to half container to phone booth size in just one year, I think the trend is to smaller and more compact. Also consider that a 1 megawatt plant can heat your house (and the ones on either side 2 deep) I think a right sized home unit is likely much smaller yet. ============================= Hot water circulating heaters would be what normal home owners would want -- nobody wants to listen to steam heat hissing and gurgling and pinging all the time (my first dorm room at NCState had steam heat because that part of campus dated back to early 1900s).   Other than being able to heat food on the radiator, nothing about that steam radiator was good to me. There is no reason a single home sized Rossi hot water home heating plant should be any bigger than a LARGE hot water heater is today. Baseboard laid finned metal pipe isn't very pretty and the fins get damaged easily, so it generally gets covered up by an aluminum molding, but it is relatively easy to install and the insulated runs of hot water tubing are easy enough to lay in a basement crawl space. For people with forced air, another coil installed in the air main isn't unsightly at all.   You'd have to run your fan all the time though, which costs you electricity to do that. To save installing the baseboard radiators and the "run the water pump and the central blower unit all the time" type costs you could go with separate, room sized passive Rossi heater units.  These would be akin to the finned radiator type electrical units that exist now, but using Rossi's smallest cores run at high COP levels to power it. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41DId9GtDuL._AA160_.jpg The people who build these could use the same exterior form with a Rossi core inside the cavity instead of an electrical resistance unit.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 11/20/15 at 04:41:27 What is the current state of the 1 megawatt plant that is nearing the end of its one year test period? Rossi has nursed his creation through 3 design refinements during the year, and one full redesign that cut the size in half. http://1zi1nw7qb8j26yrfx15kzsp4.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Modules-1MW-copy-454x605.jpg Instead of filling a 40 foot full sized container, it now fits in a half-sized container with room to spare.   Instead of having massive power cables running everywhere, it now seems to use interior grouped controls of some sort, meaning that the big power cables everywhere are gone now.   One reactor is being used to affect several other close by reactors, by the way things are grouped. What was originally hoped to be at least a 6 months reactor life before all the goodie was used up is now bearing down on a year, so design life is OK.   HOWEVER, as the cores get older they are getting crankier, so for commercial uses a shorter than full change period may be indicated, in order to keep the operation smooth. http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/ecat1MW.jpg Rossi is now learning about the end of life issues with his grouped product and is having to teach his controllers some new tricks to keep the steam up and the reactors from going into abrupt end of life sorts of things.   Since he's never run grouped reactors through to total end of life before, he is getting hit with a stream of new situations that haven't occurred previously. One senses that Rossi will beat his head against the wall for a bit before deciding that the core change-out point has been reached. He also needs to fully develop the change out protocols and controller programming to bring on-line a replacement core that has just been plugged in for the first time. This last pic is intended to give you some idea of size and scale.   This is Rossi, standing beside the current working model of the E-Cat steam plant.   http://1zi1nw7qb8j26yrfx15kzsp4.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ecat-MW1-USA-Andrea-checking-e1438638465167-466x605.jpg ======================================== There are three major questions to be answered by this year long first commercial trial.   How long does a reactor last under production loading?  Is the process production reliable on mission critical applications?   Is the product stable and simple enough to be turned over to a normal plant maintenance department? There is no doubt the system makes steam at high COP values, but is it really ready for widespread commercial sale?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/04/15 at 05:57:34 E-Cat X is Rossi's new high temperature capable new little core product at roughly a 100 killowatt output per unit. It is intended for smaller, general use items, unlike the larger 250 killowatt cells he designed previously. http://1zi1nw7qb8j26yrfx15kzsp4.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Domestic-concept-3-1030x643.jpg Concept of an E-Cat X home water heating module.   For hot water based circulating heating systems.   Take same unit and plug it into a large hot water heater for a static system like we generally have in our homes today. Take 3 of these modules in a small flat boiler and put them in a small steam driven around town type car ......  ??? E-Cat x is small and modular ....  it can do many different tasks.   It turns on quickly and ramps quickly and it ramps down and turns off quickly. E-Cat X is under trial in Rossi's computer container as we speak with over 20 days on it already (using revised materials).

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 12/09/15 at 13:46:38 Rossi still not willing to commit to a successful test outcome but has raised over $800,000 in funds?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/09/15 at 17:34:45 That $810,000 number is the LENR Investment fund, which is investing in Rossi, Brillouin, and several others as a speculation fund --- figuring that one of the above will be the new industry leader and will give huge returns on money invested right now before it kicks off good. Yep, and Rossi's got three billion dollars in existing orders sitting out there right now waiting for him to get his thumb out of his butt.   There are some serious discussions that need to take place between Rossi and IH and Woodford concerning the alterations that are needed to the reactors to make them more durable.  You do have all the new materials that have been set up for the E-Cat X program that do offer concrete reliability advantages after all.   Rossi knows that there are things that he can do and he is going to implement some of those changes but then he's got to convince himself and the rest of his compatriots they should not do another full long duration trial and actually should go ahead and go into limited production. I think both Rossi and Industrial Heat will do the conservative thing.   Remember, each one of these levels is a slide out reactor unit that can be changed out relatively easily (compared to a boiler rebuild, for example).  And one rack is redundant at 1 megawatt ongoing output, so you can pull one rack for replacement while the other three keep the steam up correctly for your ongoing production uses. http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/ecat1MW.jpg This might be called a Beta Program where he has a half-dozen reactors in certain training related distributor locations where he knows he has enough intelligent and trained people there to keep track of the reactors. They can (or already have) built that many training set ups as hand-builts.   Three to six is a reasonable number for a Beta Program, enough for lots and lots of experience data but at a relatively low controlled risk exposure, especially if they are located at "secured" distributor sites.   You only need one rack for training purposes, anyway. Then they can run the Beta program for half a year or more while the production plants get set up to start filling orders.   Beta  program also offers a training ground for customer technicians, hands on with experienced people around them, dealing with the normal sorts of stuff.   The very first Beta Program might be installing units at the training centers at each major distributor and getting them up and running while training the first wave of real industrial customer technicians while their home units are assembled.   Multiple things need to be going on at the same time from now on. Industrial Heat / Woodford could maintain ownership of the reactors and just simply sell the heat to the end customer at a strongly discounted rate until the Beta program ends successfully.   Then, after six months or a year the customers could see what's what, then the customers could either buy the plants or not. Ongoing upgrades are part of the system, you slide out a rack and slide in a replacement rack with all the current upgrade changes in it fresh from the factory.   You send the old rack back "un-opened" as a contract required must do item.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/13/15 at 18:33:23    Let's talk about these a bit ......    Rossi's "new materials" unit has been running w/out failure for over 30 days now. http://1zi1nw7qb8j26yrfx15kzsp4.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Domestic-concept-3-1030x643.jpg http://1zi1nw7qb8j26yrfx15kzsp4.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Domestic-concept-2-1030x643.jpg http://1zi1nw7qb8j26yrfx15kzsp4.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Domestic-concept-1-1030x643.jpg Rossi only gives out information in little drabs and tidbits, but his followers (and his critics) assiduously pull the bits together to make a somewhat fuzzy picture. E-Cat X is very exciting to Rossi as it works at high temperatures that are self-sustaining most of the time.   Much higher than E-Cat ever reaches.   The older E-Cat can make wet steam (low temp) but E-Cat X can make dry steam (engine and turbine steam) in one pass. Rossi dropped a key tidbit:  Rossi responded: “The modules will be of 1 kW. The density of power should be doubled at the least”. OK, Individual reactors could be at most half sized compared to E-Cat and they can potentially make "good to go" high temperature DRY  STEAM in one pass.   If the energy density is 2x then half sized reactors is logical.   Next, he is going to sell 1 kw reactors instead of 250 kw reactors, so the size goes in half again ???   One Quarter the existing size ?????    It becomes too tenuous of a guess at this point in time, really ..... Internal to the reactor, they are "little suns" releasing a full spectrum of visible and ultra-violet light inside the reactor chamber along with EM waves of various sorts.   As such they can produce some electricity directly from the reaction with a simple pick up coil while producing dry very high temperature steam. Material stresses are so up there that new materials are having to be created in a materials lab to handle the heat and pressure loads inside the little reactor at running temps, while resisting any of the corrosion effects of element isotopes ramping up from A to B to C, etc. etc. Begins to smell a bit like straight fusion type container issues in some of the heat aspects vs the containment vessel, no ????   With ongoing elemental istotope shifting going on to boot so you got to be careful about your container material "participating" in the fun. Let's go back to the energy density at 2x improvement at a minimum.   We have already watched the 1 megwatt plant shrink from container to half container to less than a quarter container.   Look at that existing 1 megawatt design again, please, then shrink it again by half to 3/4 and up the heat output way up into the dry steam range. Current size is 2mx2mx1m or 4 cubic meters.   Half that size and it is a little bigger than your washer/dryer set up for a 1 megawatt unit.   A quarter size is your washer alone.    8-) BUT you don't need a megawatt sized plant for anything associated with a single dwelling, right?   Split it into single use applications and you see where the little single core drawing above comes into play. Now for the megawatt plant say Steam 18 wheeler,  Steam ship,  Steam train, this is for the resulting half-to-quarter sized 1 megawatt plant.   Say commercial building heat plant, municipal power generating station, fresh water from sea water desalinization plant.   Big stuff.  Important stuff. Now let's do some little single core sized stuff like your house and hot water heater.  A multi-room portable heater.  Stuff like that. The little singleton core reactor is potentially powerful enough and small enough for several of then to make up a small Steam car.   Or, Heaven help us,  for one of them to make a Steam motorcycle.   (you'd put two in your Elios for faster acceleration)    :) Plus he can start it quicker, ramp it up quicker and turn it down quicker. Should his upcoming Beta Program be built of the new stuff, or the old stuff?   Or should he simply split the two programs apart as he is already tending to do and go for a longer lasting wet steam large stationary industrial plant and leave the E-Cat X to the smaller "more mobile" applications? ::)      Moore's Law seems to apply to E-Cats like it does to computers. http://1zi1nw7qb8j26yrfx15kzsp4.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Domestic-concept-3-1030x643.jpg

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/18/15 at 09:38:53 E-Cat X now can scale down to a few watts for holding, then ramp up to full wattage much faster than before.   Output temp stays around 1400 degrees but the trick of full ramp down requires the controller to cut off the water into the chamber once the reactor starts the idle down so the water in the chamber can evaporate -- the low low wattage storage takes place in a dry chamber -- ramp up then takes place and once an output level that can freely boil the entering cold water is reached the water is allowed back into the chamber. You begin to see why such rigorous materials are needed to build the reactor out of -- Rossi is now running all the time at what used to be considered "oops, we just melted another one" performance levels.   And  now he wants to repeatedly heat treat and quench his bits and pieces. Refractory Materials Science is going to step forward at the same pace as the E-Cats from this point forward.   One can't go there without the other. Look to see brand new materials patents coming out of the Lenardo Group going forward as a precursor to any new E-Cat types. These new materials patents are just as valuable as the E-Cat patents. =========================== Rossi's E-Cat X is being run off in a 3-up steam vessel cell that has 3 E-Cat X cells in it and it is producing superheated steam 24/7 when he is not doing ramp ups and downs to develop his controller programs. A 3-up vessel that is making 3-5 kw of superheated steam, suitable for many uses including potentially powering a CAR by golly.   If Rossi can milk enough electricity out of it to charge a battery then he has potentially got a vehicular power cell on his hands.   Especially if he only idles the cells instead of shutting them off completely, then he has a low constant supply of electricity to keep a control system and a "restart" battery hotted up all the time. ============================ Wet "low temp" steam can use the old big long lasting E-Cat construction method (with some new material tech in it to make it more forgiving) lasting over the years long run time those big cells can apparently do. Give it some time and there will be a large cell high temp family to drop into those same big industrial cell slots, but that isn't the current developmental push --- small cells that can easily do multiples to power a WIDE RANGE of things is what Rossi is after right now. Rossi has already moved past what he is testing in the current 1 megawatt test -- this is what happens when a tech is brand new.    He also knows how to build a better low temp big cell using some of his new materials tech -- ergo his old test rig will "fail" on reliability compared to his newly developed stuff even though he could and did make his required number of days. Should someone build an automated plant to build an out of date design?  No, it teaches them they should build a VERY FLEXIBLE automated plant that can be changed easily to do the next version and then the version after that which is coming next year as well as the current production version.   Consideration of the flange size and pressure vessel strength needs to be increased a bit to future proof things a bit. Rossi should sell pressure vessels that are 150% stronger than high temp steam should require and the flange system should be a little oversized such that future stuff would have enough room to grow a bit. I could see a 1 megawatt cell growing "technologically" to being a 3-5 megawatt cell without getting any physically much larger within 5 years or so. Moores Law seems to apply to this technology, like it has to so many others since it was first expressed as a law.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/23/15 at 07:52:20 Rossi let slip an interesting tidbit -- the 1 year long test of the 1 megawatt steam plant WAS a very intentional durability test as EACH MODULE CONTAINS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT MIX RATIO, intending to determine optimum mix for both output, ease of control and durability. Rossi will tune his mix according to the data results seen, and the 1 megawatt plant will continue to run after the formal test is concluded as all but one of the charge mixes has lasted a lot longer than anticipated.   And that one mix is just starting to tail out just now, how long it can last and still produce enough steam to stay in play is unknown at this time. This is a long term test to total burn out, as end of life of a large reactor is "unknown turf" as of yet.   Lithium isotope reactions may start the LENR reaction to going, but something else more complex is going on in the later stages.   Good safe behavior in the end game is needed (and that knowledge needs to be gotten) before sales can begin. Count on Darden and Woodford to have all the needed questions and for Rossi to supply those answers to unlock the first production plant's funding. Rossi also knows which mixture range is easiest to control and to keep up with now, a piece of data that will likely get used in the real production cores. ;)    Rossi has also incidentally mentioned "SSM mode or not" in his daily entries (which the fans have been assiduously recording, daily) -- some of the suckers have run in SSM mode for over SIX MONTHS now.   Go calculate you a COP number off of that little itty bit of data, especially since the mentioned reactor number likely refers to a separate mixture ..... ;)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/23/15 at 14:27:57 Let's talk about this E-Cat X module thing, specifically what you have to change out when the charge gets weak. Do you think you can handle doing this?   I mean it is really complex and hard to do ..... Unplug the controller wire plug.   Let it cool down.  Notice the pressurized portion is never disturbed, so you got no leak potential involved in this charge module change out. Unsnap the date of mgf seal, unscrew 4 machine screws and slide the sucker out of there.   Give it back to Walmart and get your core charge amount credited back to your charge card. Stick the new one in, put the screws back in and snap on the dated seal. Plug the controller wire pug back in. Reset the control unit on the device.  (push a button) Every year or so you'd have to do this to your hot water heater, your room heaters and to your steam car. ;) (Room heaters would likely last longer as they are an intermittent seasonal use.   Ditto for your steam car.)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/23/15 at 16:23:12 While I haven't read all the posts here and I'm no expert on this topic, I'll say what I've said before. There'll be this great new technology, and before you know it, everything else will be obsolete, outlawed, or otherwise pushed out of the market by the "superior" competition. Say bye bye to your thumper! It may take some years, but I wonder just how far the "high tech rules!" attitude will go to putting our current way of life out of existence. Just imagine when every new bike produced is electric or nuclear by government mandate because gasoline engines are "too dirty." With that being said, the LENR technology seems kinda promising.  :) I'm still hoping there's a chance for me to design a better internal combustion engine.  ;) Maybe there's still a chance for oil/alcohol burners. ;) Does everything have to get all electric and computerized and stuff these days!? :P

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/23/15 at 17:57:43 ;D You'll still have to stop periodically to fill up your water tank on your single cylinder steam sickle .....   (and take a piss of course)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/23/15 at 18:24:49 Hmmm.... "Single cylinder steam sickle" Maybe there's a little hope. (just a little :P)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/24/15 at 09:35:50 Here is what's fun about steam, it currently comes in 6 radial cylinders for very low pressure steam and in one long long stroking single cylinder for high temperature steam.    Both ideas are fully engineered out right now with a hundred plus years of development time behind them.   Both systems can be bought today, from existing companies. Tolerances are generous in steam, as things grow and contract a lot.   Modern stainless steel, everything teflon coated steam engines use water for their lubricant, they don't even need that stinky greasy steam oil any more. No need for a transmission either just as long as the piston area is enough square inches to start the machine to rolling on an uphill lay.   If it can start rolling over (enough starting torque) it is good for any functional mph (up to well over 100 mph). Steam cars were all direct drive long stroking single cylinder engines. High temp high pressure steam can do cars and such much better than low temp steam, but not as efficiently as the newly invented gasoline engines could do the same jobs back in the 1930s when internal combustion engines took over all of steam's duties because gasoline was 19 cents a gallon.   Fuel cost was the separator back then,  but with LENR now offering practically free fuel cost the equation swings back in the other direction back to high pressure steam being the most cost effective future pathway. A steam engine is very cheap to build compared to an internal combustion engine (far fewer parts at much easier tolerances). :)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/26/15 at 17:36:59   http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/12/26/rossi-the-e-cat-x-does-produce-electricity-directly/ CHRISTMAS UPDATE (Dec 26, 2015) Frank Acland followed up on the JONP with a couple of questions: 1. Is the amount of electricity being produced at the moment large enough to be practical and useful? 2. Is there an external input of power required to maintain the production this electricity? Andrea Rossi December 26th, 2015 at 10:35 AM Frank Acland: 1- yes and the efficiency is very high 2- yes and the COP is very high But attention: this comes from a work made this last night so it is too soon to chant victory. Maybe it breaks up. Right now I am on the E-Cat X and it works making heat and electricity. I hope it is not a dream of half Winter. Warm Regards A.R. Now, what does this mean? Efficiency that is very high is generally better than 25% efficiency (high temp steam turbine generation is 25% or better, with some large plants running at the 40% efficiency levels). VERY HIGH might mean ..... very high. COP that is very high is going to be better than 20 COP ..... based on the current low temp plant offering COP at 20 and above over time.   Up to 80 COP has been reported by visitors to Rossi's 1 megawatt container plant (then all the visitor folks were silenced immediately as this disclosure violated their NDA, but not before another visitor had verified the 20-80 COP in writing, which was then also withdrawn a day later). So, if the 20-80 COP plant is indeed the comparison point and the new one is "very high COP" you may indeed have something not yet imagined by the outside world, nor by Rossi's competitor/copycats.   Look to see complete secrecy shrouding this new plant until the active patents are applied for and at least patent pending status granted.     And since the whole thing will be suitcase size, Rossi may just plunk one down at the patent counter as proof of concept. Wouldn't that be something?     Rossi is also hinting that the new cells can be made by layering the elements using something akin to silicone wafer building crossed with 3-D printing. And that my friends is very cheap automatic type processing. And a Happy New Year to you all. http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/Domestic-concept-1-1030x643.jpg There have been lots of follow up questions put to Rossi and his answers are getting shorter and shorter. However this exchange is telling, because it suggest the RATIO of heat to electricity is an "adjustable variable" once an output level has be set for the reactor overall -- then the ratio of heat vs electricity can be tuned at that selected general output level. He provided an interesting response to a question by Hank Mills who asked, “When the COP of the E-Cat X (in terms of electrical output) is high, does the COP (only considering heat output) also remain high?” Ross responded, “obviously”. Mills followed up with this question: In the E-Cat X now, which is greater: the heat output, or electricity output?” Response: Andrea Rossi December 26th, 2015 at 9:57 PM Frank Acland: We can choose. Warm Regards, A.R.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/27/15 at 11:37:37 "Italo R. December 27th, 2015 at 11:38 AM Dear Dr. Rossi, does the E-Cat-X produce electricity also during SSM periods? Kind Regards, Italo R. Andrea Rossi December 27th, 2015 at 1:01 PM Italo R.: Yes. Warm Regards, A.R." You are looking at a steam car package and a remote living "power, heat, hot water" package ..... Roll them all into a steam RV and you got true mobile living (if you can get you a cold water hook up somehow).

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 12/27/15 at 12:39:22 My concern at this point what will the effect be on global climate change? Naturally, 10,000,000 burning fires great and small are extinguished... and an equal amount of LENR heaters are set to glow.  When it cost a bundle of wood a day to heat your home, now you can flip a switch and you can heat your home to the point snow won't stay on the roof. will it be better or worse?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/27/15 at 12:48:31 Now LENR is beginning to be taken seriously the oil industry's "BLACK SWAN" effect is being predicted to hit any number of other industrial sectors starting as soon as this upcoming year. Socio-economic historians are looking back at the electrical revolution as the predictor of what this paradigm shift effect will be like, except this time no wires have to be run all over the place to carry the power. DE-CENTRALIZATION is the big buzz word now -- regional, co-op and city-wide power plants popping up all over instead of folks continuing to invest in large centralized plants. The coal industry is the first to go, followed by heating oils and other petroleum products.   Natural gas will go last as it is already pretty much a regional power source and it is much cleaner, only making water vapor and CO2 as its burn end products. Canada will get filled up with people finally, as the cooler climate does not affect people settling there nearly as much whenever you can have all the power and heat you want for peanuts.   Canada has clean water and lots of big empty places for people to be.    As Global warming continues, Canada will become more and more desirable as real estate. PEOPLE in multiple new billions will cause more warming by stripping off tree cover, etc. etc. Industry and industrial wastes causes global pollution that results in bio-death and more global warming. Global warming will not stop until the planet dies off totally. By then the smartest and best of our great-grandkids will have moved off planet to a variety of new venues, and the great Diaspora will have begun. Scientists have opened their eyes now, and the newest theories that allow for LENR allow all sorts of new transformation effects and some are seeing potential temporal and gravitational effects in these new theories as well.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/27/15 at 16:12:09 Some amazing developments in science. The possibilities that Rossis work has, add that to the promise of graphene, look at this stuff http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/metal-999-percent-air-180957574 There is this bit of a head scratcher, Next to last one http://ppcorn.com/us/2015/11/10/top-6-scientific-discoveries-2015/ the categories of matter, such as gas, liquid, and solid, scientists have added a substance called Jahn-Teller Metal to this list. This material is said to be not only a metal, but also a magnet, superconductor, and insulator. This development holds promising opportunities for energy revolution, as it has the ability to conduct electricity without any sort of energy release such as heat or sound. This metal receives its name after the Jahn-Teller effect, which describes the distortion of the geometric patterns of molecules and ions at low pressures under an electronic state. This material is revolutionary in that it can turn previously insulating materials into conductors with only a small amount of pressure. Superconductor AND insulator,, Is that kinda like something that could constipate you or give you diarrhea? Interesting times. Wouldn't it be great to have energy so affordable and able to put in places where now it's just not feasible? Imagine the smiles of the people who are cooking over burning ox crap. If this works out there is just no comparison to how important it is, IMO.   Energy, wow, If it drives oil down, then that would make oil less important, which would make fighting for it less likely. So much good stuff that could come from this. This threatens so many peoples fortunes. I'm shocked that he is still alive. Or, maybe the oil magnates are figuring out how to get ahead with the coming changes.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/27/15 at 20:20:21 Justin, he just spent months sleeping on a cot inside a steel box in a secret location ...... I think folks not knowing where he is at any given time is a very good idea right now. Smart folks can see lots of ways to make a profit out of the changes that are coming.   Ragheads and radicals would be the ones shooting at various misc. steel containers scattered here and there with rocket grenades and tank killers.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/28/15 at 08:04:01 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/12/28/rossi-planning-a-commercial-as-well-as-technological-revolution/ http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/Domestic-concept-1-1030x643.jpg Rossi Planning a Commercial (as Well as Technological) Revolution Posted on December 28, 2015 by Frank Acland "Now Andrea Rossi has made an apparently spectacular breakthrough with the E-Cat he seems to be turning his mind not just to technological revolution, but commercial revolution. Here are some comments he made yesterday on this topic. “My dream is a product for everybody that makes everybody make money with it. I am also studying a commercial system that will allow everybody to make money with the E-Cat. I dream a product that extends the benefits of it to everybody. Until I will not arrive to this point my work will not have been terminated.I want to make not only a revolution in the energy field, but also in the commercial field. F9.” “I am preparing a commercial revolution to make of the E-Cat a money maker for a mass of persons. A totally new commercial system fit for the E-Cat. Let me study on this.I have an idea, but it too is maturing.” “To explain I give just 2 examples: 1- example of pruduct that has made everybody make money: the computer 2- example of small individual entity that developed such a product and grew up: Apple About the particulars of what we are setting up ( F9) it is not the case to disclose them now”. Andrea Rossi has always been interested in making a practical difference in people’s lives with his technology, and not just success in the laboratory. Now, in additional to making products, it sounds like he is thinking of ways to change the world of commerce, and making everyone wealthy with the E-Cat. This is quite a tall order indeed. But maybe not so surprising, or far fetched. I have always thought that if we could get products into the marketplace that made the production of energy a trivial thing in terms of expense and complexity, that our whole economic system would need to change, as so much of the cost the goods and services we used is based on the cost of the energy needed to provide them. I am, however, a bit confused about what Rossi means when he wants people to use the E-Cat to make money. If he means selling energy back to the grid with an E-Cat, that would not make sense if everyone has E-Cats producing excess electricity, since there would then be no need for the grid. Maybe he’s thinking of some elaborate sales or referral plan where people can make money selling E-Cats to their neighbors and friends, thus pushing the tech quickly into the marketplace. But that wouldn’t last long, and the benefits would be mainly for the initial seller. When Rossi gives the example of the computer and Apple as a product and company that have helped people make money, the computer has certainly had a vast economic impact, and provided great benefits around the world but I’m not so sure that Apple would be an example of a company that has helped lots of people make money. Their products are very expensive. So I guess we’ll have to wait to find out exactly what he means here. Maybe it’s a flash in the pan idea that won’t amount to much when faced with the realities of the cold hard world of commerce — but perhaps he really will come up with something really revolutionary. For now I think this commercial plan will have to be a secondary issue. The first order of the day is going to have to get the products working successfully." Rossi is trying to set up a system by which his wafer built E-Cat X is cheap enough to discourage copy cat production and complex enough to forestall easy reverse engineering. This is consistent with Rossi keeping formula secrets such that nobody has really completely replicated his work even yet. This thought pattern is common with most inventions that CAN be kept secret.  And if an programmed assembly machine builds the flat center of that E-Cat X module in a fine detailed manner and then sends out completed "difficult to analyze" modules to power a wide variety of items (outputs dependent on the device programming) then Rossi can keep control over his world while selling it widely. Will Rossi's first items be pricey?   Likely yes, but unless he ramps the price down quickly  and the supply up VERY QUICKLY somebody in a nation that does NOT HONOR PATENTS will be cranking out his stuff for him for cheap.  His secrets will be stolen by somebody.   And then Rossi will have to become a patent enforcer with all of his free time. And yes, Dean Kamen will be putting Rossi's reactor modules inside his third world desalinization plants and the Gates Foundation will be backing this EFFECTIVE HUMANITARIAN effort ASAP. Rossi's invention will permit a population explosion that will quickly drive us off  this planet just as soon as the tech to do so is developed. When I was a kid, science fiction was way way out there.   I have lived long enough to see much of it come to pass, and for some of it to be surpassed.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/29/15 at 20:23:36 People are asking Rossi to please hurry up and put an E Cat-X on sale as a demo unit so they can experiment with it.   They are impatient, very impatient.   Rossi responds: Akum: You can’t imagine how impatient am I, but I must be patient all the way, working to make it happen as soon as possible. Sometime you can’t foresee: for example, I studied for years how to get out from an E-Cat directly electricity ( we had traces of it), but I have not been able and for those years no progress has been done…suddenly, during a night in the plant, I got an idea that arrived unexpected, and in few seconds we got a progress that we didn’t get in years. Therefore, it is impossible to give an answer. Warm Regards, A.R. I think Rossi is really saying that until he can tuck all his functional secrets and mix secrets into a flat matrix sealed component unit such that dissection for secrets isn't obvious or easy to do then no one will see or hold early examples of his newest tricks. Certainly not until the controlling patents are firmly in hand, anyway, and real production and distribution has begun.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/30/15 at 09:28:03 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/12/30/overview-of-the-electric-e-cat-x/ 2015 summary of E-Cat X       The comments at the bottom of this link are very interesting, might want to read them too. "Work on the E-Cat X is taking place in a separate lab from the shipping container where the 1 MW plant is located, but it’s close to allow for easy access to both working locations. Immediately on making this discovery, Rossi shut off access to this lab to anyone but himself — in fact he says he is the only person who has seen the E-Cat X producing electricity. He has gone to work right away writing a new patent application that covers this discovery which he says he will deposit within days. He says he cannot provide more information at this point on the E-Cat X to avoid pre-disclosure. One thing he does say is that the ratio of heat to electricity can be adjusted, and also Volts and Amps can be adjusted. The E-Cat X is based on the same wafer technology that is described in the US Patent that covers the E-Cat, and he built the E-Cat X to fit within this patent, which he emphasized belongs to Leonardo Corporation. He says that once the patent application has been filed he will “set up a specific team in Leonardo Corporation” to work on the E-Cat X. The E-Cat X uses wafers as described in his US Patent and these wafers which include the fuel and the electric resistors are now being produced by machine, rather than being hand built. When asked if the E-Cat X had any moving parts, Rossi responded, “confidential” but he says it makes no sound when operating. He also said that it does include additional parts. The electric E-Cat X does require an external energy source to operate, but Rossi does say that it continues to produce electricity during period of self-sustain. Regarding the efficiency of the electricity production, he says it is very high, as is the COP. He says that the power of the E-Cat X can be throttled up and down and that the response is fast. So that’s a summary of the way things are at the moment, based on what AR has reported. It’s interesting to me that he is again emphasizing the primacy of Leonardo Corporation in this whole enterprise with the E-Cat X, rather than Industrial Heat." New item to me is that Rossi HAS the prototype production robotic assembly equipment right there outside the original trailer and he is using it to make his experimental samples. Since E-Cat X ramps up and down quickly Rossi can make new samples, test the startup characteristics and output and adjustability levels, document it all and then cut them way way on up for upper limit radiation output testing (destroying them in the process) then make another set and do it again to see how consistent this particular mix/construction really is behaving. He is able to collapse what took a long long year to do with the low temp 1 megawatt steam reactors into just a few weeks time span. Rossi could then duplicate the assembly machinery at Woodford and simply courier the programming over to get it started up when the time comes.   Or else he can box up the plant itself and ship it (containerized automatic assembly lines are a common trick that is done in industry all the time right now). Secrecy is high at the IH facility that Rossi is working in, and it sounds like this is also going to be the prototype automated assembly plant as well, where all the kinks get worked out of the assembly process. This CAD "illustration" may be a lot more real than folks think. http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/Domestic-concept-1-1030x643.jpg

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/01/16 at 03:42:15 Rossi had promised a "revealing update" of his dreams on the E-Cat X for his New Year's ball dropping present to the world.   He did do this, but the amount of completely new information is minimal apart from a generalized $50 per killowatt construction cost. The New Year's dream is for a large scale distributed creation of heat and light and electricity with the current Rossi dream system using the lighting portion as "street lights" ????? or exterior house lights ??????   Issue apparently is the very large amount of heat generated when run at electricity levels requires outside heat dumping if you want the large amounts of light and electricity as your primary uses.    You can tap part of the heat using circulating hot water systems as a freebee by product, but would have to use/pay for electricity to run hot water pumps, etc. If you are after just heat (or steam) forget about the light, it stays inside the chamber and is turned into yet more heat inside the chamber itself.    These smaller units can be inside your house and more effectively placed at point of use. In full temperature SSM mode, the E-Cat X is a net generator of electricity -- BUT in heat up mode it draws strongly more electricity than it produces and produces nothing much "in excess" unless it is a glowing blindingly white hot thing. Here is an existing drawing of the Ecat X core construction.   At full temperature the thing glows at a brilliant white light level, emitting large amounts of usable light.   It is capable of being used as a room light source if run "exposed" at those high levels for either the making of heat or of electricity.   A very small unit in a light pole style light fixture could produce multi-room heat and single room constant on lighting in the winter time. Issue becomes all the heat that gets generated at those "power and light generating" levels.  Something big enough to power your home would heat you out of it completely. Light seems to be a function of the turned up intensity level the cell is run at, while the amount of heat or electricity seems to be a trade off function of electricity draw off from the plates which is removing reaction energy from the cell and tends to muffle the cell somewhat. There is much that is insufficiently explained at this point in time but it is clear that the "little sun" test rod made by the MFMP people showed a real effect that Rossi's finished wafer device is also now showing.   Rossi has intentionally spread his reactor out in a planar ribbon like fashion, layering the reactors on both sides of a ribbon heater so he can heat up to reaction temps quickly and also turn it down quickly in reaction to a changing steam generation load. The drawing comes from the Rossi existing Patent, so it discloses no new information.   His words simply say the thing is capable of making lots of light, lots of heat and some electricity as a normal draw off of what is going on in the lithium transformation reactions. Rossi's words (upon review and in light of his Patent drawing and the wording of his Patent) show that the long flat 1 megawatt reactor that has been running for the last year is somewhat akin to this design as well. ======================================== Nothing discussed so far seems to exclude construction of a Steam Car, but such might have to be connected to wall power to get it fired up after being off for a while. The car steam chamber might have to be stored dry and very very hot during stop and go driving, so think of it as a flash steam chamber rather than a boiler system and you have a better fix on the resulting steam car idea. Using an injector system to meter the input water and keeping the reactor chamber metered to be a uniform HOT TEMP means you can have instant accelerator action response with minimal to no lag.   The reactor will only have HOT and idle modes, so the control requirements of the reactor are not so severe.   "Keeping a head of steam up" all the time when on has some inherent benefits as far as buffering small rate changes goes ..... the reactor itself doesn't need to yo yo back and forth so much, it just needs to keep up with the overall demand level in general. You need to develop a fast acting steam high temp /pressure injector to feed steam into the cylinder itself, (akin to the fuel injectors used today) to give the instant fine foot pedal control.   This valve will require an upstream user changeable trash filter to keep the valve from getting fouled up with lime deposit trash.   Some early models may use mechanical poppet valves as are used in current cars, but would require some filtering as even a poppet valve cannot handle solid trash getting trapped on the seat. The simpler lower temperature / pressure water injector to the reactor to keep the steam pressure constant and high is not as challenging a task as you will have a broader "good" range for that and a slower response requirement as you are just building and maintaining a good head of steam. Periodic descaling of the flash chamber will be required, but that could be an additive put in with the water every week or so, with a purge cycle that you put the parked car into to high volume blow off mode to clean the steam chamber while you feed it the chemical water to dissolve the lime deposits.   This would go out a separate purge valve that would vent up and out at an angle, a purge valve with enough mechanical strength to crush lime deposit trash on cut off as it would certainly see some trash when it was used. http://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FhyzmaN7.png&key=UcPl2B0_LtaNTOJ5Oywmgg&w=800&h=908 Andrea Rossi January 1st, 2016 at 12:19 AM ing Dear Readers of the JoNP: It’s 00.00.01[ch8243] of January 1st 2016. Update: the 1 MW E-Cat is stable and in ssm, the E-Cat X is very promising and still operating and making heat, electricity. The E-Cat X is very close to the design of the core of the apparatus described in the US Patent, I mean the wafer. It has been engineered to resist to very high temperatures. The electricity exits directly from the wafer. As I said , several nights ago I had a dream. The E-Cat X had been produced in billions pieces, each of them assembled with others in various combinations to make public lamps: a town was totally illuminated by the E-Cat X and from every lamp a network of pipes and of wires was able to distribute heat and electricity to the houses. In that town there were about 1 million lamps each of them of 500 watts, consuming about 50 watts; consequently, there were 450 MWh/h produced, of which about half were turned into heat distributed to the houses through a network of well insulated pipes, running inderground, like optic fibers, the other half was used to enlight the town and to distribute electricity to the households. The cost of the E-Cat X was around 50 $/kW of power, due to the production of billions of pieces per year in all the world, with tens of thousands of jobs. Less taxes were paid by the people, due to the saves derived from low pollution and low energy cost for public services. Millions of persons were also earning money selling E-Cats and every owner of E-Cats was saving money in utilities ( electricity, heat, light). Then I heard the alarm clock: it was time to return to the factory, to make true the dream. F9. Happy new year, I love you all. I am drinking my cup of Korbel champagne, then i have to return to the gauges of the plant. She is good, tonight. Again, Happy 2016, May God bless you all, Andrea Further refinements and down-sizing efforts will have to be made as Rossi is starting out at his 1 megawatt plant layered ribbons and working down towards toaster ovens and light bulbs. ;)       Hey Rossi !!!  Build either one of these and I'd buy one ASAP !!!!                       http://image.lampsplus.com/is/image/cropped/U2536cropped.fpx?qlt=75&wid=460&hei=460&fmt=jpeg&op_sharpen=1 Constant on light and multi-room heater --- multiple flat plates force room air intermix -- keeps "reasonable" temp levels above fixture http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41DId9GtDuL._AA160_.jpg single/multi-room convection heater

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/03/16 at 12:37:32 On JONP: "Andrea Rossi January 3rd, 2016 at 8:27 AM Richard Wade: Here are “ballpark” figures, to be worked upon: Cost of the E-Cat X/kW: 50 $, payback time 90 days Cost of the water piping to distribute the heat in an urban neighborhood: average 200 $/kW, payback time 1 year Cost of the light 10 $/kW, payback time 10 days Cost of the cabling to distribute the electric energy 200 $/kW, payback time 1 year Total cost of the “network system” : 2 years and 4 months Expected lifespan of the system: 15 years Potential market, considering to serve 1 billion people: 3 billion kWh/h Potential E-Cat market, limited to this sector of employment: 1.5 trillions of $ Now, let’s wake up, shake off the dreams and put down to work. Warm Regards, A.R." Rossi to Rachel: "It’s 08.05 a.m. of Sunday Jan 3rd E-Cat 1 MW stable, mostly in ssm. E-Cat X in operation, still promising to make the dream true." It is clear Rossi is thinking tightly packed urban and possibly Scandinavian urban at that.    It would also fit Chinese and Indian urban as well, especially in the northern provinces. Swedes and Norwegians already like to use steam heat (geothermal) when it is available, and they are definitely socialistic/communistic in their approach to "common resource allocations" inside their communities.    China and India are too, of course. And, as a group they both detest any form of pollution with a passion.    China and India are choking to death by the hundreds every month on air pollution, and are certainly ripe for getting rid of coal power plants completely. By proposing doing hundreds of "streetlights" or apartment atrium zone lights in a new construction complex Rossi is scratching several Scandinavian type itches all at the same time with his dream system. Like the detailed "CAD illustrations" that have been released, I wonder if there is more reality to this "dream" than Rossi is letting on about, but just until his new patents get filed and acknowledged as having "patent pending" protection. To get cheap low transportation cost heat, Scandinavian countries would be willing to fast track trial implementations in people isolated government complexes to prove out the new tech as far as their version of UL goes.     Ditto for USA DARPA groups, especially at the N & S Pole military/scientific stations where people are already very limited in their endless exposure to the current nuclear plants.    And double ditto for a new class of submarine and war ship, with them not having to carry all the shielding weight and radiation danger that is required now with nuclear. ::)     America will not be the first released market for E-Cat X, our UL rules and our fat cat politics will slow our adoption by at least 2 years compared to India and China and at least 1 year compared to the Scandinavian countries.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 01/04/16 at 15:10:28 I wouldn't be surprised if the next nuclear sub to be refueled isn't converted instead.  There are 18 and they are refitted every 15 years or so.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/05/16 at 04:54:32 The large size of the current subs is a reflection of nuclear power and the old huge ballistic missile size. A LENR based "clean sheet of paper" CAD design would be much much smaller, since the missiles can be fired out of a torpedo tube now-a-days and certainly don't have to have vertical silos any more as they really aren't that big. We have enough old style boomers, but what we need now are a much smaller class of attack subs (that also carry a missile or two in their racks). Bad thing is every tom dickie and harry is going to have them too. ======================================= How small do you think a LENR based sub could be if it were remote controlled like a drone is controlled? I think something the size of a big bus could be possible, a kind of covert throw away sub.    You could fake up the sonar return so it looked like a whale on a sonar screen -- a covert sleeper sub.   Get it into position and just let it sit quietly on the ocean floor.  You could even play whale sounds from it when it was in motion to fake out sonus buoys, etc. Betcha that would make all the Peta folks crazy ..... Global whale population plummets as Soviets fire automatically on any and all whale sonar sightings SAVE OUR WHALES -- BAN ALL MINI-SUBS http://www.adweek.com/files/adfreak/6a00d8341c51c053ef0120a70d8c20970b-450wi

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/09/16 at 02:32:14 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/01/08/some-new-e-cat-milestones-listed-on-ecat-com-hot-cat-safety-certification-patent-extendability-60-patents-pending/ Some New E-Cat Milestones Listed on Ecat.com (Hot Cat Safety Certification, Patent Extendability, 60 Patents Pending) Rossi, Industrial Heat and Woodford are marching forward with the 60 world-wide patents which tie down the E-Cat X (are all now firmly patents pending), having published a granted Hot Cat Safety Certification from the major European UL equivalent (Bureau Veritas) and are now getting ready to go into some form of limited production here in the USA and in Europe. Hot Cat's real competition right now is the smaller class of molten salt thorium reactors which ARE BEING BUILT BY THE HUNDREDS in Canada and in China as we speak.   These will be simple shielded / insulated thick walled steel pots of self-heating molten thorium salt solutions which last approximately 20 years in full production and then get covered over with dirt and left alone for the next 100 years while they become stone cold and fairly non-radioactive. Generating power in a remote, dry area makes sense as there is no ground water to get contaminated should a boo boo occur.   The plant's real life span is determined by corrosion, as molten thorium salts will eat up even specialty steels in less than 20 years.   The pot is backed up with thick fire brick walls, so even if the steel gets eaten the pot charge remains in one lump.  The charge does not ever get hot enough to ever try to do a China Syndrome and by its nature the reaction cannot "run away". By using the simple "open top pot" type of reactor, the old steam piping can be lifted out and a new set of steam piping can be dropped into place using a remote controlled crane to keep the plant in production until the entire pot charge loses effective temperature and solidifies. No special container dome is required, it is just a lidded pot of molten thorium ore that is kicked off with a molten salt transfer from the next reactor over, then extra ore rocks are gradually put into the pot to bring the pot up to a full level.   And yes, a wiff of radioactive air gets released whenever you open the pot on one of these remote generation sites. You don't even need to refine the ore, the raw ore melts and the stone slag gets skimmed off the top and tossed into a fire brick lined covered pit.   A crane mounted robot arm does the skimming and the crane also does the pulling and placing of the heat exchange piping when a steam piping change out is needed. The ideal site is flat, remote, rocky dry open ground that has room for a long string of rail tracking for the big remote controlled crane which can then service the dozens of relatively small uncomplicated reactors as they each get brought on line in turn.   A building over the string of reactors is optional in very remote locations, but would be required in a populated area.   Populated area uses of thorium reactors would by necessity be much more expensive to build and maintain, so none are being placed in populated areas. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-e-o8g8s0_zk/UWj5Mfb1-hI/AAAAAAAAj8k/YRMWvMG3rCg/s400/DIAGRAM-IMSRvsModularsvsBeetle2-2.jpg        obviously the smaller "remote area" reactors to the left are much less expensive and a lot quicker to build And yes, E-Cat technology will replace this thorium effort inside the next 10-20 years as it rolls out into distributed use all over the place.   But the harsh fact is you need something RIGHT NOW to keep the lights going or your general population will get very very angry with you ......  so thorium is still rolling along as a interim effort.    It is cheap, easy to control and has "containable" environmental impacts that self-absolve inside a 100 year time frame after you push dirt over the top of it.  No, not perfect, but better than the very very expensive traditional plutonium enriched nuclear power by a good long bit.   (oh, say 10,000 years or so better) There is 1 month and 19 days left in the 1 year 1 megawatt plant test period.    Two of the four reactors now show early signs of tapering off now, but are still making rate as individuals and the entire four reactor plant is still running at rate with "reserve to spare".

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/10/16 at 23:04:17 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/01/10/rossi-gives-some-leonardo-corporation-updates/ Rossi Gives Some Leonardo Corporation Updates (Update: Leonardo ‘Property of a US Trust’) Posted on January 10, 2016 by Frank Acland • 12 Comments Andrea Rossi has been talking quite a bit about his plans for the E-Cat lately, and he often mentions it in connection with the plans of Leonardo Corporation (and barely everBe aware that the US Gov can require direct licensed manufacturing of "important technoloBe aware that the US Gov can require direct licensed manufacturing of "important technology" at "a fair rate of return" in areas that the US Gov finds to be nationally significant.gy" at "a fair rate of return" in areas that the US Gov finds to be nationally significant. mentions Industrial Heat now). Here are some recent statements: 1. Ecat.com Website January 6th, 2016 at 8:08 PM DEAR READERS: Please go to http://www.ecat.com It is the new official website of Leonardo Corporation for the E-Cat. It has been renewed substantially during the last 3 days, to prepare the new phase of Leonardo Corporation. Leonardo Corporation will go through a process of strong development to prepare the huge work that will have to be done after the end of the tests on course. If the results will be positive, we will have a huge work to do. If they will be negative, we will have an even more huge work to do. I think our website has been well improved. Suggestions are welcome. Warm Regards, A.R. 2. Scientific Committee Formed Q: About the E-Cat X and its application to a jet engine: are you working on it in collaboration with that engineer connected with an aerospace industry you mentioned recently? Andrea Rossi January 10th, 2016 at 9:04 AM Daryl: Yes. He accepted now to be part of the scientific commettee I am setting up for the future R&D of Leonardo Corporation. Warm Regards, A.R. 3. Possible Licensing of E-Cat Q: Your strategy will be only to produce E-Cats as final products, ready to go on the shelves, or also to produce E-Cats conceived as modules for heat generation destined to be used from other manufacturers to make any other product independently from you? Andrea Rossi January 10th, 2016 at 9:09 AM S.: Good question. I thnk Leonardo Corporation will consider also the possibility you have indicated. Warm Regards, A.R. I followed up on this comment by asking Rossi if this signaled that Leonardo was now open to licensing E-Cat technology. He responded: “To be considered in specific situations.” This last comment is a particularly intriguing one to me, as it opens the door for Leonardo to start providing E-Cat technology for other companies to build products around. If the E-Cat is a truly revolutionary technology (especially now with the E-Cat X producing electricity directly), I would expect there to be a great deal of interest from companies around the world who see the great potential for new and improved products based on Rossi’s technology. If Rossi hopes for a massive diffusion of E-Cat-based product, it would very difficult for Leonardo Corporation, as a brand new company, to do all the design, engineering, manufacturing, and distribution of new products using the E-Cat, especially in highly specialized fields such as aerospace where big companies have so much expertise and experience already in place. So where does all this planning for Leonardo Corporation leave the Industrial Heat connection? Perhaps they are a manufacturing or distribution licensee only, and not involved in product development. It would be interesting to learn more on that front, but it seems that Rossi is now planning to have Leonardo Corporation lead out in moving the E-Cat into the marketplace. UPDATE: Someone on the Journal of Nuclear Physics asked about the status of Leonardo Corp: Giuseppe January 10th, 2016 at 4:51 PM Dear Andrea, can you better clarify (if possible) who own E-Cat and who the IP, you, Leonardo Corp. , IH, Darden, some other. Regards,Giuseppe Andrea Rossi January 10th, 2016 at 5:39 PM Giuseppe: The Intellectual Property of the E-Cat is property of Leonardo Corporation. Leonardo Corporation is property of a US Trust. Warm Regards A.R. Back in 2012 Rossi stated that Leonardo Corp. had become the property of an ‘investors trust’, so I guess that is still the case. ======================================== So, as the roll out of manufacturing comes closer we see references to an automated layered wafer type construction method (rectangular, ranging from inches to yards long). We see Leonardo Corporation being owned by an international trust that is based out of the USA.   We see separate automated wafer manufacturing sites mentioned in USA and in Europe. Now we have references for Rossi's dozen Leonardo lead engineers working with dozens of engineering GROUPS on various applications which will utilize Leonardo Corp Wafers (various length /width forms as meet current mgf capabilities). Rossi has a prototype plant set up already that is making his experimental / refinement level trial wafers to support this effort. Apart from one year of NEW MATERIALS progress, the strips in the 1 megawatt plant are the same same sort of stuff covered by the same patents (1 granted, 60 pending) of which enough hours of data has been turned over to the French UL equivalent (Bureau Veritas) for them to issue an industrial safety certification. The Leonardo Corporation (Trust) is in motion preparing for bulk manufacturing of wafers to allow a variety of licensees to roll forward with patented application uses of the Leonardo wafers.   Think of the Intel business model, where Intel builds the chips (in Leonardo's case a wafer) which can go in a wide range of uses.   You can patent your IP developed around a particular use / product using these same wafers to keep your competition from stealing your novel ideas (think of all the PC and phone patents that get wrangled over all the time -- all using generic ARM or Intel chipsets). NDA is being WIDELY used at this time, but yes there is a rocket or jet engine under real development as we speak. Be aware that the US Gov can require direct licensed manufacturing of "important technology" at "a fair rate of return" in areas that the US Gov finds to be nationally significant.   These laws have been on the books for centuries and the Navy and Army and DARPA all use them as needed. Rossi's tech roll out will not lack for funding.    It will not lack for emphasis.   It has been trialed all along by NDA covered agencies of the US Gov. and Swedish and Norwegian military people acting in concert with DARPA on cold climate uses --- the public 1 megawatt trial is just the only "public trial". UL recognizes Bureau Veritas approvals and vice versa.   Developed units will have to go before these national agencies for safety testing in the regular fashion before release to public sales -- Gov and International Industrial uses have different rules though. The game begins .......   These current moves signify that the investor requirements of the 1 year 1 megawatt test have been met already and that the next moves are in motion for customer based application development and the multiple site wide spread large scale wafer production to support customer designed applications. It is also clear that Rossi, Leonardo, Industrial Heat, Woodford are kicking into the next stage as we speak. It is now suspected that the 1 year 1 megawatt plant's "referee" is a certifying agency that has already preliminary reported for the x,xxx hours of production that was required by his contract.     No downtime was charged to the reactor itself so far -- all has been monitoring recording devices and their sensors and the more or less standard type steam and water plumbing related leaks supposedly. :) Hey buddy, ya wanna buy a controllable multi-layer nickle/lithium wafer set-up that gets real hot for over a year for like about $50 a kilowatt per whole year ???? Answer  =  no, go sharpen your pencil some more, Rossi.   Like all Protoypes, yours was very very expensive over its total run of time.    Something about paying the salaries for a half dozen engineers, etc. etc.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/11/16 at 00:17:21 http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/01/article-2285245-18552997000005DC-257_472x554.jpg Levant Beam Engine: A steam engine built in 1840, its claim to fame being that it is the oldest Cornish mine engine which also has remained in situ, and is to this day operational Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2285245/Cornwall-tin-mines-How-quest-metal-took-men-just-feet-ocean-floor.html#ixzz3wvDcIOAT Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/13/16 at 08:27:05 Is it all a fraud? I think it is pretty clear that too many people have seen too much in motion at Rossi's site and too much money has been spent after all that due diligence prepping for manufacturing to doubt that something is going to be built at this point in time.   The Black Swan is going to take off and fly now. As a side effort, Brillouin just went before Congress seeking a large influx of money and influence to get his first pilot plant finally built so he could prove out his ~ COP of 6 ~  technology in a real pilot plant and prove out and refine his various control ideas.     However, since his tech is only ~6~ COP and Rossi is running circa 20-80 COP with a proven out design, Brillouin won't get very much pilot plant money from anybody once Rossi's trial is over and his data is declared by the impartial referee. This Brillouin publicity stunt was useful as it helps to legitimatize LENR technology.  Like many of the rest of the 5-6 other groups out there, Brillouin senses he's about to be overcome by events and left as a footnote in the E-Cat Story that is being written in secrecy right now by Rossi's Leonardo Corporation (a USA based international trust). Rossi has taken point up until now, then he has turned over point to his Lead Engineers (right now about a dozen) who are working with Project Groups at the customer's places of business.   Distributed Beta testing comes next as the various real world applications will be put together then the real salable production prototype samples will slowly go through UL or whatever else is appropriate as the certification body. The little CAD drawing is real.    This is the small distributed E-Cat X local heat package that uses all the new materials tech and is capable of generating DC power directly from the reaction. http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/Domestic-concept-1-1030x643.jpg Look at the big 2 yard long reactor and you can count the number of 2 yard long extended wafers (24 of them) that are contained within it.    20-80 COP.   This, in various lengths is your industrial heat package which can (but not necessarily if you choose not to) generate DC power that could be accumulated in a large storage battery and then be converted to run the reactor itself. Remote power station designs will likely do this, with a gas generator backing it up as a "disaster level re-starter".   DARPA will be all over this for arctic base camp uses. Look for a much larger core to be developed and trialed, something big enough for retrofit into existing coal to steam power plants. http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/ecat1MW.jpg

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/13/16 at 09:21:47 So elegant. Just an aesthetically pleasing design,amazing.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/14/16 at 19:23:13 Rossi: 20 kW E-Cat X Reactor is Size of Cigarette Packet Posted on January 13, 2016 by Frank Acland • 100 Comments Andrea Rossi has answered a question from a reader on the Journal of Nuclear Physics about the size of the E-Cat X reactor. Dear Mr Rossi, What would be the weight and the volume (perhaps liters) of a 20 kw e-cat x reactor? Thank you. Andrea Rossi January 13th, 2016 at 5:15 PM Hergen: Ballpark numbers: like a 20 cigarette packet, while the weight c ould be 300-400 grams, plus the apparatus to use the energy, that is different depending on the use, the fluid, etc. Warm Regards, A.R. So that gives a bit more detail to help us try and visualize just what the E-Cat X is like. If it turns out to be what Andrea Rossi says, it would certainly be a revolutionary product. Getting 20 kW in a combination of electricity and heat in something the size of a normal cigarette packet would be truly remarkable for something that is not radioactive and uses only a tiny amount of fuel. OK, so what can you do with 20 kW cigarette pack sized E-Cat X? http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/power/20-kw-generators.html http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/product-images/20RESAL-SA6_11406_150.jpg Also worth saying, a stock Savage puts out about 26-28 hp before folks start fixing all the EPA stuff -- and that my friends is almost exactly 20 kW of power.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/14/16 at 21:07:53 Twenty Kilowatts? In the size of a pack of Cigarettes? You can't get that if you light them all at Once!

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/15/16 at 01:28:19   What do you need to do to set up your steam motorcycle? First, insulate the hell out of that white hot E-Cat X core so you don't cook your legs.   You may even put the water tank over it to keep the heat way from the rider (and pre-warm the water). Second, it is a direct drive system with a long stroke piston mated to the rear wheel.   There is no gear box needed or desired. A water injector sprays the right amount of water for the desired stroke/power into the white hot flash chamber making a very brief blast of steam that is timed to the rear wheel revolution to generate and power the piston as it hits top dead center.   Area on the side opposite the power stroke is vented to allow maximum energy transfer.  Existing computerized sensor tech is used to tell the injector when to squirt the water mist.  Doing it this way means NO HIGH PRESSURE STORAGE TANK is needed, steam is created very efficiently and used instantly while it is at max pressure in very small amounts.   See, all that automotive fuel injector technology does get used all over again, but instead of at 3,000-6,000 RPM it gets used at 0-850 RPM (rear wheel revolution speeds).   Relatively easy to do, right?   VERY efficient on the water usage, too. No chain, no belt, no smoke, no roaring exhaust. Chugga, chugga, chuggachuggachugga, chuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuchuggachuggachuggaggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachugga Likely sports bike riders will want the more powerful dual acting (steam power on both down and up strokes) engines which will be more complex and might entail two white hot chamber areas, one at either end of the long stroking cylinder.  This means TWO of the 20kw cigarette packs, and two water injector systems, and the steam piston gets hard driven in both up and down motions and the effective 40kw of torque to the rear wheel NOW MORE THAN DOUBLES into completely ridiculous asinine numbers just like the crotch rocket guys do love so much while the weight of the bike only goes up mebbe 15-20 pounds in total. Burnout wheelie city. :o A clutch system will be built into the rear wheel will allow for "clutch slip" on start up and for when you have to be stopping quickly to avoid possum and deer (and them ever pesky erratic car critters).   The center of your rear wheel hub can be your flywheel mass and the outer rim can be your clutch driven portion with the rear wheel clutch doing double duty as your rear brakes. No injector water being sprayed during braking means that the full "engine braking" that is available is both abrupt and massive, so you will be using that wheel clutch to both meter acceleration and to ABS control rear wheel engine braking.   Computer control of all these functions will be needed as you aren't fast enough to keep the rear wheel rolling along properly in all the needed appropriate modes.   Having your direct drive system lock up your rear wheel in a corner is an absolute no-no after all.   A one way "disaster" sprag clutch disengagement feature will likely be a required safety item.   Quite a few racing bikes have this feature already as the engine braking can be too much in a hard corner, so the sprag clutch releases engine braking past a certain limited amount. Still got separate hydraulic front brakes of course, you will still need them.    Still got a battery to deal with (becomes your major issue to deal with, apart from doing a periodic de-lime on the steam chamber). Issue with bikes will be they are far too light now, rather than too heavy.   You got no engine to add mass to stuff, and the steam cylinder tube is mostly empty space.    Still got your water tank, so it might get oversized a bit to help add some mass back into the system.  Plastic water tank may elongate into a nice streamlined cowl system as you got no pesky radiator to deal with any more.  Think of using your injection molded cowl / water tank as thermal protection for the rider and you got the main idea. Torque with steam engines is 100% from the very first puff, so wheelies are very possible on the light short wheel base systems that are design feasible with steam.   Just like those Hayabusa got longer swing arms to handle the torque, so shall the big powerful steam cycles.  Increasing the rear wheel diameter some is another possible control measure as well. Remember all those steam locomotives in the movies having to be throttled very carefully to keep the drive wheels from spinning?   Yep, that's you now.   Got a computer and sensors to help with that though. Draw a line between the rear swing arm axle and the triple tree, and that large tube between the two is your bike's structural spine, alias the steam cylinder.   The circular arc that the rear swing arm travels on also defines the connecting rod length which is also in relation to your rear wheel "hub" diameter.   The space below the tube (where the engine used to be) defines the water tank area. You got you a plastic cowl over the steam cylinder that is force fed moving air to make sure your steam cylinder doesn't cook your crods.   At long stoplights it does get a bit warm though, even though the cylinder doesn't run per se at stoplights.   ;D Come spring time, you jest fill 'er up with water, put the battery back in and go.    You fueled it year before last, so you are good for at least one more year of cruising around town. You do still have to stop every hundred miles or so for piss breaks and to fill your tank with water ......   ::) Now, re-think your Elios with this sort of steam system.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 01/15/16 at 07:15:39 I rode in a steam powered car once, just as OF describes, instant acceleration, quiet, fast I believe the ONLY reason internal combustion beat out steam back then was due to : wait time for the boiler to build pressure consumption of large amounts of combustibles high pressure boiler concerns an Ecat powered steamer could quickly render the IC engine obsolete add in the electric generation and heating, and this tech is a game changer the oil companies bear close watching, lest Rossi suffer an 'accident'

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/15/16 at 09:57:20 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/01/15/oil-markets-continue-precipitous-decline/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/timtreadgold/2016/01/11/low-oil-prices-start-a-revolution-in-saudi-arabia-russia-next/2/#73fe34f743df1930182943df The Black Swan is on the wing, threatening Arabia and Russia and a bunch of the other "oil economies" .....   Some entire COUNTRIES are already running in the black with oil only at $30 a barrel, with the Swan knowing durn well that $20 a barrel may take place later on this year.    Russia is stone broke again, and Saudi Arabia is dipping into their 550 billion dollars in reserves at the rate of 100 billion a year right now at $30 a barrel.   Everybody is pumping it out just as fast as they can before it becomes worthless ..... Mind you, this is with the folks in charge already trying to moderate the paradigm shift that is going to happen as soon as the popular press ends their suppression of Rossi and the other 5 groups (should all of them survive Rossi's first post results press conference when they are at 3-6 COP and Rossi is at 20+ COP and making electricity directly.) Yep, Rossi had better be planning to go on an extended top secret vacation about then ......  angry Russian shotgun mobsters and Jihad rocket launcher & suicide bomber guys all over the place will be looking for him. :-?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/15/16 at 20:04:33 Why aren't the GW people championing this tech? Imagine the drop in the CO2.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/16/16 at 00:12:49 Al Gore will claim to have invented it and claim that folks owe him carbon credits for using it ..... ::) Politicians are all over the Google Car now, with Obama claiming his administration "supported" the idea from the very beginning and Ford is claiming they built the very first self driving car (this is true, BTW, they built it for Google). http://www.wired.com/2016/01/the-feds-want-rules-for-self-driving-cars-in-the-next-6-months/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/briansolomon/2016/01/14/obama-boosts-self-driving-cars-with-4-billion-investment/#2715e4857a0b7753822b4eda http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/14/10767502/us-dot-anthony-foxx-self-driving-rules-ford-volvo-google-gm-tesla http://https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/6NeKCv_hjTScAdZ9qzqLeGKT9mQ=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/5905589/DSC06024.0.jpg I think whenever Rossi comes out of the closet with his results, the same thing will happen to him.    Politicians crowding up on the stage to claim they have been supporting him all along.  They DO know about it, remember Brillouin has already been there with his hand out begging for money to build his pilot plant for his COP = 4-6 water over the dam "retrofit" system. Rossi is being controlled and moderated by IH and Woodford who are getting input from their governments.    Rossi's patents are getting fast tracked as needed now, as he will tease a bit then shut up until his patents are at least at the documented pending stage, and he won't release any real info to anyone until the patents are at full granted stage.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 01/16/16 at 06:41:45 Wise of him, all things considered, wouldn't want to see him treated like Tesla

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/16/16 at 07:22:14 Maybe I'm not looking in the right places, but if I was one of people who have what I believed to be scientifically supported,genuine fears that the CO2 levels were a real problem, I'd be interested in knowing about this Rossi character. The media are fully capable of focusing a light on something, and make it unavoidable to know about, because the talking heads on Every " News Channel  "  will be saying the exact same words and phrases, over, and over, and over, over, and over, and over, over, and over, and over, over, and over, and over until everyone who watches the alleged News knows it, forward and backwards. The silence on this topic is telling. Were it not for the curiosity and reporting of our own board member, I wouldn't have a clue about it. And, the really heavy trains had men with buckets of sand, sprinkling it on the track in front of the drive wheels till it was going fast enough.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 01/16/16 at 07:49:06 JOG you know as well as I do that once there's a solution for 'climate change' that particular breed of professional victim will be seeking a new job these folks don't want a solution, they want a dead horse to beat to quote Carlin, the earth is fine It was fine before us, it'll clean itself up and be fine when we're gone

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/16/16 at 13:51:37 Pardon me for a moment, but, am I Wrong to say that the majority of those who are freaking out are the atheist/ evolutionist folks? ANd IF that's true, then why worry? We will either evolve and adapt or diminish severely in number, and we are overpopulated anyway, right? And,the few remaining will have learned the lesson and Mother Earth will heal... I can almost see the campfire and hear the singing.... And poor Rossi, with a wonderful device, and no consumers.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/16/16 at 23:50:25 The German BMW steam cycle for touring BMW comes out with a force balanced no vibration steam cycle. It has two long stroking steam cylinders acting as the spine of the frame, each one offset to the outside of the rear wheel with the pistons moving in exact opposite motions to one another with the connections to the rear wheel being 180 degrees out providing perfect rear wheel balance. The resulting extra cylinder mass allows for the buttery smmoooth BMW bike feel on the road. The sports model is dual acting cylinders, with double the torque. ;)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/17/16 at 01:17:53 BTW, DARPA strikes again, with new super efficient diesel engine tech for military uses. http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/05/54caf922aacdb_-_liquidpiston-03-1012-de.jpg WATCH THIS     https://vimeo.com/64911927   .... it is a video, click on it and watch it Click and read these or it won't make sense to you. http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a15233/liquidpiston-darpa-contract/ http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a8174/liquidpistons-hyper-efficient-engine-turning-the-rotary-inside-out-13817971/ "The basic idea is similar to a Wankel rotary, but turned on its head. Where the rotor holds the seals in a normal Wankel, the housing does that job in the X1 engine. This allows significant reduction in oil consumption over a regular rotary motor. Other enhancements include direct injection, a high compression ratio at 18:1, and a dramatic change to the geometry of the combustion chamber, which maintains a constant volume during ignition. This change means the air-fuel mixture auto-ignites like a diesel, and can be burned much longer than normal. The result is a more complete combustion ending in low emissions and very high chamber pressures. This high pressure is allowed to act on the rotor until it reaches nearly atmospheric pressures, so almost all the available energy is extracted before the exhaust is physically pushed out. Again, this is different than a normal internal combustion engine, which releases very energetic, high-pressure exhaust gas. Some other slick features: Since the engine is designed to convert so much more heat energy into mechanical force, less heat has to be removed from the block, so there's actually no water cooling system. In cases where the engine is under load and needs to cool down, it can skip an fuel injection event and just suck in cool air, which is then heated by the block and gets exhausted. Another option is to inject water into the combustion chamber. This has three effects: cooling the engine, reducing NOx emissions, and converting some of the water to steam, which increases power." So, in the next few years expect this inverted wankel tech to come out in all sorts of gas and diesel engines.  READ THE LAST UNDERLINED SENTENCES CAREFULLY, as this reverse wankel stuff works with direct injected high pressure steam too.   Remember, this compact little engine runs without ANY cooling.   This may be your transition engine of choice during the next decade or so. :D Talk about your flex fuel engine, burn gas, burn diesel, burn corn oil, burn alcohol, burn whatever liquid that will burn.   Cool it by turning it into a steam engine every few rotations by injecting water mist instead of fuel. Key is that this rotary uses 3 fuel charges for the whole rotation as it is actually three firing chambers rotated evenly around the 360 degrees, one charging and one discharging always at the same time and they EACH act over 120 degrees of rotation of each firing chamber (using all 3 chambers per rotation, with one firing all the time) to be that much more efficient. One rotor, acting like a triple rotor wankel in effectiveness, with no ugly seal issues because the NON-ROTATING seals are part of the main housing and can be powerful, effective seals.   Plus you do steam power while cooling the sucker down, which means cycles that give "free energy" from the waste heat being removed. In test, 15,000 rpm was seen before the engine couldn't make more power due to not being able to move the air fast enough.  At 3 power pulses per revolution that is 45,000 power pulses per minute at full speed.   At 18:1 diesel compression ratios using standard jet fuel. Dammmmmmmmm ......  some interesting new stuff from DARPA, huh? This engine is being used in long duration drones today.   It is just now coming out of the secrecy shield and going into normal commercialization.   Apparently the fully developed and proven little bitty small drone engine was able to drop into a chainsaw and a weed whacker pretty much "as is" and the larger drone engine is a drop in for a riding lawnmower. How efficient?   65% - 75% depending on engine size.   That is 25% better than the most efficient internal combustion engines to date (modern very huge marine diesels).

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 01/17/16 at 07:09:45 3D2224233E3908380830222E65570 wrote: Pardon me for a moment, but, am I Wrong to say that the majority of those who are freaking out are the atheist/ evolutionist folks? ANd IF that's true, then why worry? We will either evolve and adapt or diminish severely in number, and we are overpopulated anyway, right? And,the few remaining will have learned the lesson and Mother Earth will heal... I can almost see the campfire and hear the singing.... And poor Rossi, with a wonderful device, and no consumers. Same folks who stop homes from being built over concerns about the habitat of a tree frog This is called cognitive dissonance, where you know something is true but ignore said thing in your thinking interesting that our society understands about survival of the fittest but then goes to such lengths to circumvent that very process, no?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/17/16 at 16:26:54 Pretty much. Now, like asking the left to describe what society must look like before we will have Progressed enough, I'll be waiting for a response.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 01/18/16 at 08:23:09 ;D This is getting a bit TTish, back on topic I am really liking the Ecat Idea

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/18/16 at 08:49:45 Off topic isn't always bad and we are talking about the BlackSwan effects and that is people/psychological in nature. Books are being currently written about why the physicists blackballed each other so badly over this topic.   Folks are mentioning Galileo, Copernicus and others ..... People haven't changed for much over the centuries, you know.    You want to upset their world-view apple cart totally and then them ugly pitchforks and torches come out and the angry crowd wants to string somebody up for the crime.   Burn him, he's a heretic !!!      ::) Right about now is the time that some critical withheld little bit of information will come out and somebody will post a video of them doing the trick correctly in a way a high school kid's science project could do it ......  and this will be after Rossi's next set of 60 patents go "full granted" of course. You got 5-6 groups that can do it sporadically to fairly evenly now ......  the trick is known after all, it is just being held as "commercial secrets" at the moment. ::)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 01/18/16 at 09:26:56 Then I'll answer JOGs question: It will never be enough for this type of (choose one or all) social, economic, environmental justice warrior to thrive and prosper there must be victims, and if there are not, they will create them, and convince them (and everyone else) they really are victims, so they have a support group to keep them in power Ecat will eventually face the same sort of attacks, once it replaces conventional tech, and the justice warriors can find (or create, or fabricate) a chink in it'a armor to exploit

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by old_rider on 01/18/16 at 10:00:41 Yeah.... atheists are to blame for everything......sigh.... TT please.. Lets keep this topic about the E-Cat......

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/18/16 at 14:18:17 The point im making is This technology would do a lot to address the issue of CO2. The people who typically, IMO, believe in the whole Manmade Global Warming Thing are typically left wing AND the Really hard core ones are also atheists and believe in Evolution. So, IF I am an atheist And believe in Evolution, WHY would I be concerned about a change in the environment? Especially since that same group is convinced we are overpopulated. Let it change. Some will Evolve, some, die, the Earth will be less burdened and will heal and the survivors will have learned what not to do. So, not BLAMING anyone, just pointing out how it seems odd that certain people Care, considering the things they say they believe. Why would they bother to even pick a side. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 01/18/16 at 14:55:39 7251595B585151584F3D0 wrote: "The basic idea is similar to a Wankel rotary, but turned on its head. Where the rotor holds the seals in a normal Wankel, the housing does that job in the X1 engine. This allows significant reduction in oil consumption over a regular rotary motor. Other enhancements include direct injection, a high compression ratio at 18:1, and a dramatic change to the geometry of the combustion chamber, which maintains a constant volume during ignition. This change means the air-fuel mixture auto-ignites like a diesel, and can be burned much longer than normal. The result is a more complete combustion ending in low emissions and very high chamber pressures. This high pressure is allowed to act on the rotor until it reaches nearly atmospheric pressures, so almost all the available energy is extracted before the exhaust is physically pushed out. Again, this is different than a normal internal combustion engine, which releases very energetic, high-pressure exhaust gas. Some other slick features: Since the engine is designed to convert so much more heat energy into mechanical force, less heat has to be removed from the block, so there's actually no water cooling system. In cases where the engine is under load and needs to cool down, it can skip an fuel injection event and just suck in cool air, which is then heated by the block and gets exhausted. Another option is to inject water into the combustion chamber. This has three effects: cooling the engine, reducing NOx emissions, and converting some of the water to steam, which increases power." Can't see the video at this location so I'll have to check later. But a lot of this don't make a sheet of sense. So a certain volume of air/fuel is compressed 18:1 to auto ignite, then is allowed to expand to atmospheric pressure. In standard piston terms, about 1/4 stroke of air/fuel (probably less) is compressed to nothing, ignites, expands, over expelled... repeat. Next, even though the combustion is expanded to atmospheric, it's still hot. And great remove the waste heat by generating steam... washing the lubricants off the... piston. While I have great hopes... the proof is in the pudding.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/18/16 at 16:21:25 I sure don't understand how the job of sealing the rotor is in the block. I'm gonna need Pikka Chewers.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/18/16 at 17:29:48 WATCH THIS     https://vimeo.com/64911927   .... it is a video, click on it and watch it Look at the cloverleaf block at the ends of the rounded sections where they come together at points -- you can see the spring force driven seal blades coming out of the block in three places right there. http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/05/54caf9226c1d0_-_liquidpiston-01-1012-de.jpg Seal vanes clearly shown in this cut-away cover pic as well at    10:00    2:00  and  6:00.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/18/16 at 17:57:15 Alright! A mechanical Woman! I don't really understand it, but It's Beautiful! Seriously, I need one in my hands, to play with a while. Hmm, hey! Wait a Minnit here, that may be true in more ways than one,,,

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 01/18/16 at 19:11:14 what's not to like about 3 teets all going at once.   ::) but forgetaboutit... she's a FI beotch.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/19/16 at 20:55:55 Terminology during the roll out is getting discussed now ..... what exactly do you claim for COP? This is a fair question, and the folks associated with Rossi are responding to questions as they want to use terminology that is acceptable to the LENR community in general and use it in a way that is ACCEPTED, not bitched about all over the place. ecatworld ECW Admin to Mats Lewan • a day ago Regarding the COP -- I have no inside information, but I would expect the COP to vary a lot depending on whether the plant is in self sustain mode or not. I AR has said that when in ssm the COP the plant requires between 7 and 8 kW, while producing 1MW -- which would give a COP of 125-143, but he has also said the plant is not always in ssm. He won't say how much power the plant consumes when not in COP, nor the length of ssm periods. The important number is the overall COP number, taking into account the overall power in/power out for the extent of the test. • Reply•Share › Avatar Mats Lewan to ecatworld • a day ago Yes, but the point is, once you manage to control the reaction well, it should be possible to remain steadily in ssm, and eventually also provide needed input energy from the output. Thus infinite COP. Of course I refer to a maturing technology, after a great deal of R&D. 3  • Reply•Share › Avatar ecatworld ECW Admin to Mats Lewan • a day ago Technically, if the high ssm he reports is correct I would think so, yes. But Rossi has said that it will always need an external power source, for safety and regulatory reasons. But he did make an interesting reply to this question recently: Sebastian January 17th, 2016 at 2:19 PM Dear Andrea, If there were no regulations issues, do you personally believe that a domestic e-cat could be run off-the-grid in a safe manner? Many thanks Andrea Rossi January 17th, 2016 at 2:20 PM Sebastian: Yes. Warm Regards, A.R In doing so, they let another little kitty out of the sack to run around by their feet again. You do realize that in "start up" mode the plant draws the full power of the heat up resistor strips from the grid, right?   This is 250 kW with the reactor giving back four times that much heat as soon as it starts reacting.   This is a base COP of 4. Then the existing plant begins self-sustain mode and COP shoots up to between 20-80 COP as it runs continuously. At least one of the mixtures tested in one of the reactors STAYS in SSM from then on, and another one stays in SSM for weeks at a time and these numbers are getting talked about now as the generic COP claim for the test is getting talked out right now in public on line. If all was perfect, and they sold only the best mixtures then when in ssm the COP the plant requires between 7 and 8 kW to run the controllers, while producing 1MW of output heat -- which would give a COP of 125-143, assuming controller agitation is required continuously and you don't have to do stop starts (using the heat up resistor strips).   But Rossi has also said the plant is not always in ssm mode and if the application requires up down cycling all the time the resulting COP would go down to ~ COP of 20 to 80 ~. Matts contends that in "constant on" industrial use applications, with them using all the known tricks that Rossi has right now, then the running COP is verging on infinite as start up energy costs are just that and if no cycling is needed you really do only do need to start the thing up but just once.   And that the electrical energy directly produced by the E-Cat X reactor format exceeds what the controllers themselves use by several factors of magnitude.   Factors, like in 2x to 3x. Rossi says no, no, no -- the referee will state the COP of the test and that is the number they will use, knowing full well that they can do better over time. Rossi also refuses to allow folks to say that the electricity generated during use should be used in the official reactor COP figures, as Matts is saying the amount generated is greater than what it takes to run the controllers.     Rossi firmly believes that to avoid Fukuyama type screw ups, supplied outside grid power should be used to run all the controllers at all times, and battery / generator back up for grid power should be provided at all times.   He feels that safety and "regulatory certifications" require that outside power to be used to power the controllers.   He feels that if grid power goes down, the E-Cat units should shut down naturally and automatically. Fukuyama was real, and your reactor should shut down instantly if grid power goes off line -- doing otherwise is dangerous stupid. Rossi will take the conservative track and "exceed expectations" and "delight his customers" rather than do an Intel brown vapor job over anything.     Rossi only talks conservatively about anything any more -- his critics have gotten surprised that everything he has said in the last year was both TRUE and actually pretty conservatively stated. Them doubting Thomases are getting served a lot of plates of crow lately. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_go0QYOkH4xU/S_dQYfl9o9I/AAAAAAAAHaI/rpmfpbKKS6o/s400/eating_crow.jpg ::)     ..... and yes, Thomas, there really IS a small automated assembly robotic line right outside the container that is used to make experimental sample wafers all johnny-on-the-spot.  And yes Thomas, Rossi really can have a thought and then test that thought inside the same 1 day time period.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/19/16 at 22:24:32 Status of Patents "Jeffry January 19th, 2016 at 7:19 AM Dear Andrea, You wrote here that you have pending and in preparation about 200 patents after the US patent that has been allowed to you. How is the situation of these patents? Thank you, A.R. Andrea Rossi January 19th, 2016 at 10:12 AM Jeffry: Yes, we have now 220 patents between pending and in preparation; I am optimistic and think about 140 will be allowed, while 80 will be rejected; nevertheless, we’ll go on with the ones we do not think will be allowed, because in any case they are useful to make experience. Warm Regards, A.R." Over 120 are now firmly at the Patent Pending stage, with another 100 in progress some of which will be denied until Rossi et al decide exactly how to prove power generation to the patent office without exposing any critical IP in doing so.   Rossi also has to dance around his military secrets DARPA stuff as his E-Cat X power & heat station is now considered a significant military support item to several nations.   And if that jet/rocket engine thing pans out ...... then that one will likely go black and likely stay there a while until NASA/DARPA releases it. You know the Navy is interested in Rossi's stuff, as smaller "large" ships (especially the tenders) run off of steam generated by oil.   However, a simple home room heater shouldn't threaten any DARPA secrets, so go for it boys. ;)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/19/16 at 22:40:29 Rossi is now leading a team of a dozen engineers who are working with customers on their first applications and he is also working with a team of patent attorneys to push through his hundreds of new patents. I don't think he is jest sleeping in his container any more ...... The number of follow on patents (120 in the last month alone) is an indication of the E-Cat expanding its application base very quickly. Rossi does not expect to get all of these patents granted quickly on the very first pass, but he is driving a stake in the sand a clear YEAR or so before his competitors have any developed ideas of their own or could even begin to rip off his patent pending ideas and move into these same areas.   Proving "prior art" is very important in patenting an exploding technology area.   As long as his team of patent attorneys keep adding details to the original patent request to keep it moving along the first date applied for remains the final implementation date when it is eventually granted. Plus, even with only a patent pending in effect, if you want to use his stuff you HAVE to work with his engineers on your team and you MUST advertise that you are using E-Cat Technology in your product.   Failure to do so would be very very expensive to the offender if they make a product without a proper license.  Think of the "Intel Inside" stickers and emblems that are displayed in product ads and on the computing products themselves and you have the concept. Two of these new patents seem to come from automotive and aeronautical applications.  Many are heating application based.   All show serious intent by somebody who has a design team actually working on it. It also indicates that more and more people are touring the goodies at Rossi's hidden site and only an iron clad non-disclosure is keeping the lid on at this point in time.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/20/16 at 21:04:20 I'm sure I should know, but, kinda sorta what kinda energy will have to go In, in order to get , s a y, 150 watts out.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/20/16 at 22:14:54 ::) Current worst case is one to four, 37.5 watts of electrical input to get back out 150 watts of heat. Much much better than this is available now in self-sustaining mode, with the promise of even better results later on. But is it heat alone you are really interested in? ============================= Tell me which application you are talking about and I can better judge if an E-Cat X could do it better or more effectively. Remember, it is E-Cat X tech that can be scaled down to little bitty and cranked up quickly and moved up and down rapidly.   It is E-Cat X tech that can give you back room light and/or DC current for free .....  along with lots of heat. http://image.lampsplus.com/is/image/cropped/U2536cropped.fpx?qlt=75&wid=460&hei=460&fmt=jpeg&op_sharpen=1 Think of E-Cat X as being like this proposed discussed "constant on" light stand, a lamp / multi- room heater / phone charger. It is small, it takes ~100 watts to heat it up to get it to start up, after that it is a constant on room light at ~ 150 watts of light output, plus it puts out enough constant heat to warm up ~ 2 rooms in your house in the winter time and it also has a charging jack for cell phones and such that is truly 100% free incidental power.   Once warmed up, lit and running good it only draws 5-8 watts from the wall socket to run the controller circuitry for the reactor, but yields that much or more as a cell phone power supply. What were you thinking about? ;D

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 01/21/16 at 06:53:15 That's great in the winter on a 110 degree day in Texas, no need for heat, need lights / AC (maybe power for microwave, ETC well maybe hot water for showers / dishwashing Home powered by ECat  :)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/21/16 at 07:00:03 Art, it may be possible to keep a hot E-Cat X running out in your car all the time with a cord connection sharing power with your house.   The car's E-Cat will be sized large enough for good acceleration such that it might do the lights in your house with no hassles.   Plus, being outside the house the waste heat isn't running you out of the house all the time. Another summer source of house power might be the relatively large E-Cat X powered AC unit that you might own -- yep, heat based AC has been around a long long long time but it wasn't as efficient as direct electric motor AC so it got dropped.   You can still buy it today as natural gas AC units for RVs.  Now that heat is very very low cost again, it may be good enough again for AC. The Reem folks et al will be thinking about outside ducted retrofit units (on the order of an old style gas pack type unit) that can heat and cool and partially power your lights for you. Rossi is saying he can vary the output from heat to electricity, so "more power and less heat" sort of ongoing tuning for the seasons may be possible.   You will still need a grid connection to make up any differences.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/21/16 at 07:08:51 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/01/20/rossi-sees-e-cat-x-making-impact-in-automotive-field/ Rossi Sees E-Cat X Making Impact in Automotive Field Posted on January 20, 2016 by Frank Acland • 82 Comments It looks like the E-Cat X is opening up possibilities that were not conceivable to Andrea Rossi with the old-style hot cat. He’s talked quite a bit about the work he is doing studying the use of the E-Cat X with jet engines, and now it sounds like there is serious consideration being made for using it in automobiles. Here’s a question and answer from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today: Dear Mr Rossi, Do you have any commercial plans for the e-cat X in the automotive industry ? What would be the time frame ? Would you seek exclusive agreements with a partner, or seek to have several licensees ? Thanks in advance, PC Andrea Rossi January 20th, 2016 at 8:25 AM Pierre Carbonelle: Yes, the E-Cat X can say an important word in the automotive field, but we are still in the R&D phase and it is soon to talk of licenses. Warm Regards, A.R. What I find interesting here is that for years Rossi said that it would be highly unlikely that the old E-Cat technology could be employed in automobiles within the next couple of decades, but now his tune has definitely changed. If the E-Cat X is able to produce electricity directly, this could open up the use of it in electric vehicles — perhaps an onboard generator could be used to drive an electric motor, rather than having to pack bulky and heavy batteries that give EVs limited range. It’s hard to know at this point what direction they are thinking of, but the E-Catt X is certainly opening lots of doors that it sounds like Rossi and Co. are actively looking into. Of course there would need to be lots of R&D involved, but this is what automotive companies do all the time in looking for new technological advances. If one or more big automakers partnered with Leonardo Corp., they would have lots of expertise on hand to work on adapting vehicles to the E-Cat X. Sounds like Rossi has an automotive customer participating in R&D efforts now ..... Elon Musk will be there, as he has way too much invested in his battery stuff to see it get wiped out by an oncoming tech -- he will be there to see what's what so he can make the needed pre-moves.  Just heating the car in winter and trickle charging what he has now will extend his winter range greatly (40% range loss hit in winter while running electric heat is a bummer to the full battery people). Ford, BMW, just read the list of folks on the stage at Google's political unveiling of autonomous car tech being US Gov supported -- these same folks will react to the E-Cat Black Swan flapping over their industry for the exact same reason as Elon Musk.   They MUST stay abreast of any fast breaking paradigm shifting tech like E-Cat or they can possibly lose out big time inside of 5 years.   And they know this.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 01/21/16 at 07:52:45 I actually searched propane powered AC units Nothing my google fu is weak  ;D

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/21/16 at 09:45:48 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/01/21/rossi-leonardo-corp-gathers-scientific-committee-of-top-level-scientists-and-engineers/ Rossi: Leonardo Corp. Gathers Scientific Committee of ‘Top Level Scientists and Engineers’ Posted on January 21, 2016 by Frank Acland • 4 Comments Here is another comment on the Journal of Nuclear Physics today by Andrea Rossi which seems to reflect a growing level of confidence regarding the technological development of the E-Cat, and the ability of Leonardo Corporation to industrialize the technology. Andrea Rossi January 21st, 2016 at 9:09 AM Jarrod Kennedy: at 09.00 a.m. of Thursday, January 2016: 1 MW E-Cat: stable, some leakage promptly repaired during the last night. E-Cat X: operating and technologically improving with the US engineer now in the scientific commettee of Leonardo Corporation that has connections with an important aerospace concern. The technology is definitely improving. By the way: I have gathered in Leonardo Corporation a scientific commettee made by a team of top level scientists and engineers to improve our R&D capacity: these persons, that have honoured us accepting the appointment, are from USA, Europe, Japan, India. We must fight to obtain and perpetuate positive results and remain the number 1 of the sector for ever. Also the management of Leonardo Corporation has been reinforced substantially. Warm Regards, A.R. In a post last week, Rossi indicated that there was preparation for staffing taking place at Leonardo with this comment: Andrea Rossi January 16th, 2016 at 9:03 AM Kibbler: Yes, we already have set up the Team that will lead Leonardo Corporation, with women and men each of them belonging to the top level of her/his specialization. The management is composed by divisions covering manufacturing, sales, R&D, distribution, sales, legal, financial, PR. Yes, I will be the CEO, but there will be also a BOD under the control of the ownership. The whole is, obviously, under condition of F9, but the names are already there and each of the selected persons has already accepted the role that has been proposed. Warm Regards, A.R. Of course, all this information is coming from our one main source at this point: Andrea Rossi, and we don’t have much outside corroboration for this activity. The only other person who has commented on some of the organizational activity going on in connection with the commercialization of the E-Cat is Rossi’s right hand engineer Fulvio Fabiani who told Mats Lewan this: “About 10 or 15 top level managers are involved—surely there is Rossi and Darden, but I don’t know them all well. Is not of my concern. I think it’s right to keep things compartmentalized to avoid information leaks.” “In discussions on Internet forums everyone says they are slow, but I only see people really devoting all their resources and all their time to make this happen. So many people talk, but they don’t even know what it means to industrialize an object like that.” http://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/11/25/rossis-engineer-i-have-seen-things-you-people-wouldnt-believe/ To my mind, if the Rossi effect is real (which I believe it is), and if Andrea Rossi has been able to convince others about its reality and viability as superior energy technology, then the kinds of things he is describing here make a great deal of sense. If Leonardo is planning a worldwide release of the E-Cat, and if they want to continue to improve and adapt the technology, then naturally they will have to get organized on many fronts to make sure they can accomplish their goals. At this point, we can’t know if they will succeed commercially, but it sounds from what Rossi is saying that they are taking the next phase of operations very seriously." Remember, if Rossi is taking the new product development group from each of his first wave of licensee / customers into his fold using iron clad non-disclosure agreements and incorporating what this ever increasing talented pool of applications engineers learn (and then Leonardo is requested to add) to the E-Cat X program then he gets a very large population of very talented and motivated technical people contributing to the E-Cat X program.   Rossi is getting their "area expertise" in essence contributed for free.  Each one really will be a knowledge leader in his individual field and each will bring REAL WORLD application expertise to be incorporated into the E-Cat X technology.   All Rossi needs to sit on is the secret sauce and his mix secrets, he can openly talk excitation and programming etc. as without the secret sauce and the mix details that are locked up inside the wafer it doesn't go anywhere for anybody else. :)   Likely the various companies will then in turn separately patent their own application portion of the tricks that are jointly discovered and then they will roll forwards towards UL approval, etc. etc.    Leonardo will then thoroughly patent the wafer and controller changes as they come up as they have a lock on that from the already totally granted patents and all of the patents pending that are already granted at that point in time.   The more patents Leonardo generates, the firmer their grip becomes. We know we got a car guy and we know we got a jet/rocket guy and we know we got DARPA and NASA and various Navy people (from various countries) and we got SEVERAL sets of heating people (from various countries) and some public utility people and the list is going to grow quite rapidly now as EVERY MAJOR INDUSTRY will have people lining up to come play in Rossi's garden with the Leonardo Group.   Eventually, Rossi will lead the USA based group and Woodford will lead a European based group and other more regional groups will then develop naturally as variations in local national laws force various areas of the world to take slightly different approaches to doing things. Rossi intends for them all to make a buck while they disperse his tech across industry everywhere.   Rossi believes capitalism is the best and only way to RAPIDLY move his discovery into the main stream and to quickly overcome all the trash kicked up by physicists and "major science" leaders about LENR during the last 20 years. Expect to see politicians line up on a stage yet again while the US Government, the Justice and Patent people and the Regulatory people all firmly promise the voters to fast track all the needed legal and regulatory garbage to make sure E-Cat X is not delayed in any meaningful fashion while being implemented here in the USA.   They will do this very quickly to give the USA a lead on the other nations as this first wave of tech implementation will determine who is on top during the next 50 years or so. After all, Gaia (Mother Earth) demands it of us all ....   (and so do ALL of us voters) ;D           And here is that voice from the future ringing in yet again ..... Footnote as of 1/20/16:    There were 5 other early LENR groups that never really got to the starting gate and were left totally in the dust as Rossi took off. Rossi's tech was commandingly better at the start of year 2016 when the LENR roll outs first began and Leonardo Corporation and the various Leonardo Groups immediately jumped into an insurmountable lead which led to the world-wide monopoly situation that caused the US Justice Department to order the 2025 breakup of the Leonardo Groups into five separate fully competing companies each based in five different nations, with each one able to sell their products anywhere in the world.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/21/16 at 12:28:31 57444241535454360 wrote: I actually searched propane powered AC units Nothing my google fu is weak  ;D http://www.gasairconditioning.org/FAQ.htm In the United States, most cooling needs in the 1930s and 1940s were provided by gas.  By the 1960s, electric chillers began making inroads into the cooling market due to lower cost equipment, low electric rates, and higher efficiency of the machines.  In the 1970s, the use of gas was restricted as the cost of natural gas rose and "all electric" cooling use continued to increase.  By 1990, only 5% of all air conditioning in the United States was provided by gas. https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=natural%20gas%20air%20conditioner http://www.gasairconditioning.org/gas_cooling_to_publish/images/absorption/robur_cycle.gif In your brain, think about a heat pump.   A heat pump with a very hot hot side and a room temperature cold side.  It can heat like nobody's business very easily, but using the right fluid in a sub-loop it can also do a cooling cycle that isn't as efficient as a modern electric motor driven freon unit.   It became unpopular because natural gas simply costs too much vs electricity now-a-days, but if the new heat source is practically free again like natural gas used to be, well then it still makes sense to do it this way.   Especially if inside the E-Cat itself it generates the electrical watts needed to drive the various fans and pumps and various small motors in and of itself ......   this way you use the excess heat and you use the generated power most efficiently. ::)     in the diagram where it says "BURNER" plug in "E-Cat X" and draw you some power out lines to the various motors. Remember, Rossi says he gets to pick the ratio of heat to electricity when he designs the E-Cat X unit ..... The unit would sit on the pad where your AC unit sits today and it would run an extra set of hot lines to a heater exchange coil in addition to the refrigeration coil you have now.   Or else if they were really really clever about it, just one set of light oil filled lines to just one heater/cooler exchange coil .....  all the hot vs cold line switching would be done inside the new unit sitting on the pad where your AC unit sat. ::) They would simply push your old furnace off to the side and leave it just occupying a piece of unused dirt under your house in the crawl space.  A piece of ductwork could replace it -- or they could leave it in place and just replace the coil unit, using the old furnace body as a chunk of ductwork.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 01/21/16 at 14:52:01 there's also the pelltier chip that cools 20° with dc current.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/21/16 at 15:33:52   http://https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/10/CFD_Free_Convection_Peltier_Cooler.gif Peltier Construction Two unique semiconductors, one n-type and one p-type, are used because they need to have different electron densities. The semiconductors are placed thermally in parallel to each other and electrically in series and then joined with a thermally conducting plate on each side. When a voltage is applied to the free ends of the two semiconductors there is a flow of DC current across the junction of the semiconductors causing a temperature difference. The side with the cooling plate absorbs heat which is then moved to the other side of the device where the heat sink is. TECs are typically connected side by side and sandwiched between two ceramic plates. The cooling ability of the total unit is then proportional to the number of TECs in it. Some benefits of using a TEC are: No moving parts so maintenance is required less frequently No chlorofluorocarbons (CFC) Temperature control to within fractions of a degree can be maintained Flexible shape (form factor); in particular, they can have a very small size Can be used in environments that are smaller or more severe than conventional refrigeration Long life, with mean time between failures (MTBF) exceeding 100,000 hours Controllable via changing the input voltage/current Some disadvantages[4] of using a TEC are: Only a limited amount of heat flux is able to be dissipated Relegated to applications with low heat flux Not as efficient, in terms of coefficient of performance, as vapor-compression systems. Peltier systems are small scale sorta stuff, biggest I ever saw did a picnic chest cooler.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 01/22/16 at 08:13:31 My AC is a window unit, and will continue to be so in the new place, do i ever get my building (10x20, a central unit is so overpowered for that it's actually be less efficient) my needs will be around 8000 BTU or maybe 12000 at the outside the gas AC idea caught my attention because I can currently cook, heat, and light my travel trailer with no electricity ( small LP  range, wall mounted gas lamp, gas furnace, though it currently needs work) the only thing I can't do without 110v AC is run AC being able to still operate when the power goes down is a great thing. I've considered a gas or LP genny, but most of the lower priced ones can ruin your electronics of course running them through a battery bank would help mitigate power spikes one other thing of course is the refrigerator doesn't run off gas, either (WalMart dorm room fridge, the one that came with the trailer isn't even connected to anything  ;D) Of course, I could just build a battery bank and charge it from the grid while power is on, that gets me through temporary interruptions Ecat promises eventual total self reliance  :)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/22/16 at 13:13:07 7F5C5456555C5C5542300 wrote: ::) Current worst case is one to four, 37.5 watts of electrical input to get back out 150 watts of heat. Much much better than this is available now in self-sustaining mode, with the promise of even better results later on. But is it heat alone you are really interested in? ============================= Tell me which application you are talking about and I can better judge if an E-Cat X could do it better or more effectively. Remember, it is E-Cat X tech that can be scaled down to little bitty and cranked up quickly and moved up and down rapidly.   It is E-Cat X tech that can give you back room light and/or DC current for free .....  along with lots of heat. http://image.lampsplus.com/is/image/cropped/U2536cropped.fpx?qlt=75&wid=460&hei=460&fmt=jpeg&op_sharpen=1 Think of E-Cat X as being like this proposed discussed "constant on" light stand, a lamp / multi- room heater / phone charger. It is small, it takes ~100 watts to heat it up to get it to start up, after that it is a constant on room light at ~ 150 watts of light output, plus it puts out enough constant heat to warm up ~ 2 rooms in your house in the winter time and it also has a charging jack for cell phones and such that is truly 100% free incidental power.   Once warmed up, lit and running good it only draws 5-8 watts from the wall socket to run the controller circuitry for the reactor, but yields that much or more as a cell phone power supply. What were you thinking about? ;D I'm following the thread and,actually, heat isn't my primary concern. I'm in Texas, so, power for cooling and running lights Water heater, stuff like that. If I can ditch the propane heat and come out, all the better. What were you thinking about? I ask myself that Very question several times a day.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by thumperclone on 01/22/16 at 13:35:44 E CAT a fuel cell?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/22/16 at 23:54:07 7E627F677A6F78696665646F0A0 wrote: E CAT a fuel cell? Not a fuel cell, takes in no natural gas or propane to do it's tricks. Low Energy Nuclear Reaction = LENR    Not fission, not really even fusion -- ladder stepped isotope transformations A radiation free way of taking hydrogen gas (derived from breaking down lithium aluminum hydride with heat) deep into a metallic nickel atomic matrix, swapping some electrons, combining them with protons to make neutrons, and transmuting various atoms inside the matrix into the next thing up in the isotope chart, and potentially eventually pumping up some of the nickel atoms all the way up into the next element in the periodic table, copper.   Transformation energy, by little steps and stages, gently released with all radiation absorbed by the next atoms over and converted to simple heat. This is a newly discovered natural phenomena that apparently takes place in volcanoes and the earth's core (they always just told us "radioactivity" heated the earth's core, but they could never explain why volcanoes weren't radioactive) and is now suspected to take place inside metal vapor halide lights to some much lesser degree. When done intentionally, you can make heat, lots of it, for a period of about a year right now off a mass of powdered nickel about the size of a cigarette filter.   Or laid out thin on both sides of a wafer of steel, with more layers added on as needed for more heat / greater durability. Science is just now proposing the mechanisms to do this, now that they ARE seeing it take place in their labs, now since they got off their 25 year old cold fusion hate kick and actually started looking again.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/24/16 at 09:07:39 Rossi admits to having done a re-design of the 1 megawatt reactor steam plant using his new materials and also making some internal changes to remove several issues that were dealt with during the one year test (time consuming sensor replacement, etc.). When asked if he is making the reactor able to handle the DC power generated directly from the reactor core steel plates, he chooses not to respond at this time. (all of his new patents haven't all cleared yet) Fact:   The test is all but complete and redesign has already been done. Beta test of selected sites (his distributor's showroom reactors) is good to go at this time and we have 37 days left in the formal test period. Strokes are getting shorter, boys --- she's a gonna spurt soon ...... :D     ....... me, I say if there is any delay it is due to the US PATENT OFFICE dragging their feet, not Rossi and Industrial Heat / Woodford.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 01/25/16 at 09:00:00 That was a thought I had too, can the current generated sustain the Ecat via it's own DC power? with some leftover for the home's electrical system? this is really a cool concept

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/25/16 at 09:28:36 Running the device off of its own generated power is a regulatory no-no right now as out of control situations can self-perpetuate fast if you do that. See the recent Japanese nuclear power plant disaster -- when the big salt water wave shorted out all the power to the pumps, the pumps stopped working and since there was no independent backup system, well, China syndrome set in on all the affected reactors. Will a car be able to operate this way?    Yes, but that is a ways out right now.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 01/25/16 at 09:57:50 this is why I'm not part of a regulatory board, that didn't even occur to me  :o ::)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/25/16 at 17:01:41 The Italians have tried to file Italian patents on a device that uses a neutron gun to spray neutrons into a mix similar to Rossi's and then uses steel plates to collect a resulting DC current but it requires a shield of boron to poured around it to catch all the stray neutrons that the neutron gun is spraying all over the place. They have no device, they have no working model, but they are applying for a patent so that they will be able then to patent troll on Rossi work with Rossi's E-Cat X. I expect that Woodford and Industrial Heat and the controlling board of investors is going to flat ass tell Rossi to quit talking about stuff simply because it is going to cost them a lot of money to chase down these patent trolls. I expect the rate of secret patent applications from Leonardo Group to quadruple over the next few weeks. They have to file for the newest stuff BEFORE the trolls know about it.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/27/16 at 03:31:35   http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/01/27/rossi-all-the-energy-sources-must-be-integrated-otherwise-lenr-will-be-killed/ Rossi has made some very interesting comments in the last month about the upcoming roll out -- that it "must be completely integrated with existing infrastructures" or it simply will not proceed in the USA. I think he has just told us what the USA delay is --- DISRUPTION FUD --- disruption is not going to be allowed in the USA, Rossi's stuff must come out in line with existing infrastructures or it won't come out at all. I think that the USA is going to quickly learn that there are other markets with no stick up their butts and that our political/industrial complex is going to have to learn how to change and adapt more quickly, even it it hurts a little. Next, if Rossi gets held up long enough, his tech will get swiped from him and come out from all sorts of interesting corners of the globe.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/27/16 at 03:43:14     Gasoline in Oklahoma is now selling for $0.48 to $0.69 a gallon during a recent price war ...... Price everywhere is heading south of $1.70 a gallon in the next few weeks. The oil price per barrel is now under $26 and is dropping, predicted to hit as low as $20 a barrel this year. All the marginal oil sand production has stopped, as it is losing money to pump the stuff. Some offshore rigs are being shut down as some don't make any money at prices under $30 a gallon. As production shifts to only those sources able to make money on sub $30 a barrel, expect your global supply amount to contract and the price to go back up. This is the Arab plan, to concentrate production on their wells (the least costly to produce source) and shut down all the marginalized national efforts in the USA and other countries. Look to see an outcry over this as too many people know Rossi is being held back now and that our politicos are playing games again .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/27/16 at 03:52:11 Rossi's keepers had better be careful of the boy, or somebody is going to kill him out of sheer irritation. The Black Swan is flying over the associated support industries now, and is depressing stock markets all over the world. Vested interests are looking at 10's of billions of dollars in stranded assets as refineries and offshore derricks and all sorts of expensive stuff becomes rusting scrap metal. What the Italians have just done is to signal "Yes, you can do this stuff a variety of different ways" and you CANNOT STOP the entire world community from figuring it out and doing it. Would it be better for Rossi to do it in a controlled fashion, or have a gigantic international free-for-all? This is the question before the politicos right now .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/27/16 at 04:05:39 All of the world's electric auto makers have made contact with Rossi and are asking specifics about electrical generation and heat off a small E-CatX.   They currently lose 40% of their "total distance" range in the winter months because it takes 40% of their battery energy just to run the car heater in the winter time.  It sounds like E-CatX can give them ample winter time heat and a year round battery boost as a very small light add on to their existing designs. Their engineers are bright enough to do a steam based E-CatX car eventually, but the design lag is huge on that particular pathway right now.   Dropping in a small air heating module, that's is very doable right now. ::)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/27/16 at 04:38:18 Every "Engineering renowned" university is growing a very small LENR department now.   Every affected automotive and heating and utility company has appointed a senior level Engineering Resource to go find out about LENR, ASAP. The Black Swan swooping past overhead has gotten their attention now, and they are running around trying to pick up a black swan feather or two of their very own. ;)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/27/16 at 04:48:24 Prediction Time: Rossi and E-Cat will be used to slow and control the phase in of LENR to try to keep the world economies stable (relatively speaking).    This may take most of the initial patent period to do, so Rossi could be used by the powers that be to control and moderate things somewhat ..... However, the viewpoint that LENR is a natural pre-existing thing will eventually throw out all the "I own the effect" patents and just leave the hardware and controls and name branding in place -- LENR will go the same way as electricity and fire and waterpower and steam. In the 1960>1980s you bought Westinghouse or General Electric because they were THERE, established, and they were better than the other stuff out there.     I can still get parts for a 50 year old GE range .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/29/16 at 16:08:29 The one year old 1 megawatt steam plant had a single reactor core (the weakest of the two weak ones) try to drop out again -- Rossi was able to modify the excitement a bit and brought it back up to snuff again.   Self-sustain periods are way down though, so it is showing him that that particular mix is not what is going to be used going forward and even if he can get it to go the full one year that one particular core is just about shot. But "just about shot" to Rossi has a COP that is still better than what the others have gotten at optimum running conditions, so let's keep a tight grip on what he's considering "just about shot". He also mentioned the series of ECat-X tests he is doing, where he gathers standard run data for a bit then accelerates them at the end of the data collection period, ramping them up by stages to the destruction level.   What he seems to be doing is testing the fail safe characteristics and the abrupt end of life behaviors due to terminal overheating after he gets his electrical and heat generation numbers off of each of the trials. Everyone else is just trying to get their stuff to just work reliably, Rossi is end of life safety series testing a potential commercial product .....  in an organized fashion UL would recognize. Some are saying he hopes to put out an ECat-X reactor that self-limits at the upper end of things and stops short of destruction and never actually melts itself down -- and that my friends would be quite an accomplishment.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/02/16 at 00:49:16 Rossi updates end of test date for the one megawatt steam plant --- Rossi pushes it back to one full year plus two months to make sure he has a full year of run data off of all of his reactors. He is reacting to and is anticipating more fun out of that one laggy reactor -- he knows it is going to kick up more fuss during these last 60 days and it is going to dilute the overall results but Rossi is going to give it the full years worth of run time to do it in. Plus, Rossi is learning how to deal with end of life, he is learning how to kick the can on down the road for a good bit longer ......   this is actually some good knowledge for him to have gotten out of the end of this test.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/04/16 at 11:16:17 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/01/30/new-mfmp-glowstick-test-underway/ http://imgur.com/iilHBk4.png And yes, you can ask "Does that mean what I think it means?" :o

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/06/16 at 06:30:05 I'd feel better if I had some idea what I Should think.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Serowbot on 02/06/16 at 06:36:26 Me too, JOG...  Me too... ;D

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/06/16 at 06:46:13 Without reading a bunch background during the experiment it means that the latest attempts at doing Rossi's trick without actually having Rossi's secret sauce resulted in just enough free energy showing up sporadically to drive everybody completely nuts. They almost have it, then it goes away on them.   They tweek it and get it back, but then lose it again an hour later.   Time after time, they get it and then lose it again. They chase it and chase it until they get physically exhausted, and are always just that far away from finally catching it and keeping it. Free energy is the difference between the blue and the green lines .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/06/16 at 07:12:34 What's the red line? Itt doesn't take a bunch of Free Energy to be worth the trouble. But those look like Very small differences. It kinda gets to the I found a quarter, stuck in the road. Now, how much effort do I expend to go get my free quarter? I live in Longview. If someone called me from Shreveport (about sixty miles)and said that if I would just come and get it, they have a crisp fifty dollar bill, in an envelope with my name on it, I MIGHT go, with gas so cheap. I really am cheering for this guy. I WANT this to work. Isolated, poverty stricken places could be changed for the better so quickly.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 02/06/16 at 07:37:10 and non isolated, non poverty stricken places could be free of 'big energy' influence

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/06/16 at 07:57:57 Yep.... I see nothing but upside. Imagine driving down the road and Not seeing metal derricks decorated with wires, and wooden poles dotting the countryside and those God Awful windmills. West Texas, for as unpleasant as it was to look at, has become an absolute, bird murdering, eyesore. I think that if the energy and its accompanying pollution attributed it were factored in, the inherent unpredictable nature of the wind, the maintenance time, cost and energy, those windmills are probably borderline stupid,

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Serowbot on 02/06/16 at 08:50:08 I like windmills... I think they're pretty... :-? As far as bird killers... :-/ http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2014/09/state-of-birds-2014-001.jpg http://www.motherjones.com/files/wind-trubine-birds.jpg

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 02/06/16 at 09:28:58 'estimate' another word for 'guess'  ;D I've had nature (bird) lovers give me grief for letting my cats go out when they want to 'house cats kill songbirds, you horrible person' 'I need more cats, then, the songbirds keep waking me up a 4AM, ans I work nights'  ;D Anti hunting folks don't seem to realize that without predators, it's up to people to keep deer from overpopulating, either I wouldn't imagine wind turbines are a major threat to birds, given how rapidly they reproduce

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/06/16 at 12:19:01 ESTIMATES are not just wild guesses. Unless someone is trying to skew the figures, an estimate would be the result of visiting a site several times, during migratory periods and times when there are no major migrations. Looking for dead and wounded. Knowing Dead is rapidly consumed, one must not figure that having visited a month ago and cleared the areaof dead and wounded that the only kills since last visit are those that are visible. http://savetheeaglesinternational.org/new/us-windfarms-kill-10-20-times-more-than-previously-thought.html Ohh, gee, and the government sponsored studies say not to worry. Ohh, and look, the required radius from the base limits the number of dead birds Allowed to be counted. Yes, we can put up huge flyswatters to smash the birds from the sky, no problem, everyone knows how fast they reproduce. Good Grief..

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 02/08/16 at 08:20:37 how exactly do they cont the number killed by cats? my cats ate their kills, so unless most cats don't (doubtful) I'd say the 'estimate' on the # killed by cats is pretty much a guess

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/08/16 at 11:14:06 I had to delete my reply, because it's the Cafe. Ohh, dear sir, please consider the likelihood of those windmills eating the birds. And, if you would be so kind as to consider all the sweet and kind and loving adjectives that I am currently NOT typing.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by old_rider on 02/08/16 at 21:08:29 Well, my cat is a house cat, that gets to go outside... and um... she kills on the average of well, 2 birds a week. ( I know, because she brings them to me... you know... to help support the family... that's what they do) So from my family alone, that's 104 birds a year.... probably more... And 74-96 million cats are owned (not counting feral ones) in the United States alone.... and I know not all of them go outside... but wow.. if half of them did... 37 million times 102 = 3,774,000,000 so that graph is pretty close I would think.... :o So, back on the ECat... wow always a cat in there somewhere Doesn't it take a power source to start it greater than that it puts out? How are those 3rd world countries going to get theirs started? The cargo container one would be great for a small culdesac of two to four houses, but again, how to start it? And who would service the pacs that need replacing when consumed? I don't see how a small house heater could work, unless you use the 220 to start it and then change out the cores all the time (am I looking at this wrong?)...

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/08/16 at 21:30:39   Yes, the current proposed industrial initial products require both the start up AND monitoring power to come directly from your local electrical utility. Why is simple, Rossi believes that running the things autonomously at the concept's first startup stages is   1)  simply not very smart right now and   2) any issues due to doing that would be product killers in the eyes of UL or other regulatory agencies. Come the time there is a car, you will plug it in at night so it can dump excess power generated at idle state off into the grid.   You can also spot draw enough juice to kick your reactors back up if it goes flatline on you due to the charge approaching wearing out, etc. Using an Elon Musk type battery station would allow you to run a mini grid in your house and if you had two cars you could likely generate enough energy to approach energy independence, but for safety reasons would still maintain a utility grid connection at all times.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by old_rider on 02/08/16 at 21:50:17 I am thinking the future "power company free" home will have two to three systems generating power and at least one or two for "off hour production". If I could afford to (wishes don't get fishes), I would go with about 12 100 watt panels, a small wind generator and two of those Musk battery stations (or a compatible setup using deep cell batteries). I have drawn it up several times on paper and measured the yard out. I would mount mine on poles next to my privacy fence, which runs east/west, so the panels would face south and have no shade. I would have to make mine with the capability to take down for hurricanes, so a roof mount system is out of the question for me (even though there a tons of them down here, they must have great insurance). A small wind generator on a telescopic pole would be the ticket for when it is cloudy, we always have at least a slight breeze here because  of being a few blocks from the gulf. I could use a couple of old/used electric forklift batteries for night time usage. Only thing is... to get the best use out of the system I would have to purchase a DC refrigerator and freezer, also stove/oven and heat pump or air conditioner.... A lot of power is wasted in the dc to ac conversion. I've been reading a little on it every now and then.... one day....yeah one day... I might actually DO something with the knowledge.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/08/16 at 22:13:25 I think the RV industry will incorporate a lot of stuff over the years to the point a large RV will be just about energy self supporting using E-Cat tech.   For example, you can already get a propane powered RV with propane fridge, etc etc. especially if you buy an older deluxe RV dating back to the 70's and 80's.   RVs use off line energy sources relatively well, historically. We will not live to see anything but the very first E-Cat products, industrial and commercial mostly.   There must be a large mass of safety data before the first room heaters come out. But conceptually there is no reason an electric oven and range top cannot run E-Cat tech. warm the elements up electrically and it then stays hot on its own until the meal is cooked and the element is turned off. Hot water in  "on demand" systems draws juice to heat the unit up (with the chamber dry) inside of a minute, then you get endless hot water until your shower is done and you cut the unit off. We use heat in many many ways and would rediscover the many many more ways that our great-grandparents used independent alcohol and kerosene heat.   Did you know that hand held clothes irons used to run on kerosene?   Yep, same as the lamps did.   Go visit a country time fair in a rural city, you will see casual stuff on display that will amaze you.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by old_rider on 02/08/16 at 22:51:58 The general idea though is to get away from all those C02 producing oils and gases. I don't think personally we will live to see the day were a mobile electrically powered unit can recharge itself and be self sustaining. I believe there will always be a "power base", where a main system will have vast collection systems to charge the mobile systems as they need it. Hopefully the solar road folks will be able to incorporate that into the road system they are experimenting with. (I am an avid supporter of Scott and Julie Brusaw) Starting an ECat using a large battery bank would probably be a feasible part of a solar accessory system. Use the solar to charge the batteries which start the ECat. And solar could supplement power demands. Like I stated last post.... I believe future homes off grid will have to have 2 or 3 systems working together.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 02/09/16 at 07:43:25 My little travel trailer, in better repair, would be totally self contained: Propane stave, furnace, and also a wall mounted propane lamp whoever owned it before me disabled the propane fridge in favor of a shore powered AC unit apparently, and the 12 volt lighting system I have yet to test properly (I tried using it off my truck battery once, but didn't realize I have to turn the 110 off for the 12 volt to work) How about this, Old Rider battery bank to start the ECat, then any excess 'electricity produced goes back to the battery bank while it's running, ECat still reliant on a small flow of power from the battery bank to stay running (that gives you an emergency shutoff if you need it) I'm actually planning in attending an off grid seminar here soon in the Library, to learn more about what is currently feasible

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/20/16 at 04:07:48 Update on E-Cat 1 megawatt plant The old test is OVER, existing 24 each slide in/out reactors are being pulled for analysis.   New generation reactors are being plugged in using the new "proven best mix", with a new contract being signed by the customer for the next year's worth of steam heat. Rossi's independent party has 30 days to roll up his final report and to report the results both to Leonardo and Industrial Heat. The old E-Cat low temp steam plant is being pitched as exactly that -- a previous version that is available if it suits your needs better than E-Cat X. Want to just boil some water for a year, then this is your guppy.    It is available to be bought NOW, as all of its industrial safety certifications are complete at this time as well. Want DC power too?   Get you an E-Cat X ..... ::)     hey, they are different you know.   Nobody has licenses on tech that hasn't been invented yet. E-Cat X development is racing along now, first industrial plant applications are coming this year. First manufacturing site for E-CatX is going to be in Florida, USA.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/20/16 at 19:57:46 If I boil water, I make steam. And,I can Contain the steam, until it's got enough pressure to spin a turbine. Right?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by old_rider on 02/20/16 at 21:20:43 It takes energy to make energy.... The idea is, to make the starting energy and production energy non-oil based. The problem with that... it takes an oil base to make most products used to create the electronics that run the energy producers. So where exactly are we saving our planet? And how to you start your steam maker? wood? oil? electricity? The "carbon footprint" is what everyone is looking at now... not just the oil or coal being burned, but how the products used are made.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/21/16 at 08:13:12 If you're using oil to kickstart something that makes steam, which makes electricity, okay, it's not All created using coal or oil, it's, some percentage, created by the reaction, so, Less coal , less oil, right?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 02/21/16 at 08:52:52 it's not possible to create energy, you can only convert it Burning fossil fuels converts the energy therein to heat, light, and kinetic energy your brakes turn kinetic energy to heat and we aren't saving the planet The idea we can utterly destroy something that could clean up after mount St Helens is silly That particular eruption put more hydrocarbons into the atmosphere than if you ran every car in  America nonstop for a year even if we turn it into a polluted hellhole, once we're gone the planet will repair any damage we've done, over time We;re just trying to keep from wiping ourselves out via our own stupidity

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/21/16 at 09:17:03 Rossi appears to have discovered a way to initiate and control a naturally occurring atomic level event, contain it, harvest the heat that it creates. That's the best I have been able to understand everything that Old Feller has explained. It's not gonna be enough to use unless it gets Excited. Once excited, it just sits there and makes heat. Does it need some Juice to keep it going?  If I had a stove and wanted to boil water, 24/7/365, which process would use less petroleum/ coal, ? Propane stove, electric stove, with power from a station powered by coal? Or, rossis gizmo? Im not suggesting that Rossi has a perpetual motion machine, but it does look like a new source of energy.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 02/21/16 at 09:33:10 Low Energy Nuclear reaction it's a nuclear reactor, fueled by some sort of reactionable mass reactionable mass = fuel It's just a much more efficient use of said fuel

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/22/16 at 02:39:03 514E484F52556454645C4E42093B0 wrote: Rossi appears to have discovered a way to initiate and control a naturally occurring atomic level event, contain it, harvest the heat that it creates. That's the best I have been able to understand everything that Old Feller has explained. It's not gonna be enough to use unless it gets Excited. Once excited, it just sits there and makes heat. Does it need some Juice to keep it going?  If I had a stove and wanted to boil water, 24/7/365, which process would use less petroleum/ coal, ? Propane stove, electric stove, with power from a station powered by coal? Or, rossis gizmo? Im not suggesting that Rossi has a perpetual motion machine, but it does look like a new source of energy. To meet the current crop of safety standards Rossi will not loop his power production into running his own gizmo -- he will use grid power to do that.    Everyone wants "disaster control" right now, and that means pulling the plug out of the wall socket will always be there as a last resort to make it stop.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 02/22/16 at 08:26:58 And considering the probable results of a runaway, that's a good thing

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/24/16 at 03:02:58 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/02/24/mfmp-publish-their-lenr-recipe/   MFMP Publish their LENR Recipe Posted on February 24, 2016 by Frank Acland • 212 Comments This post has just been published on the MFMP Facebook Page The Cookbook is in the signal… Prepare thoroughly (Ni + LiAlH4 + Li) 1. Bake Ni 2. Reduce Ni 3. Hydrogenate Ni 4. Mix: Ni + LiAlH4 + Li 5. Bake and vac reactor, add Nickel, vac warm, add H2, Vac 6. Heat to above Mossbauer determined Ni Debye (say 135C), pressure regulated to approx 1bar abs. 7. Hold, pressure regulated to approx 1bar abs. 8. Heat slowly to as close to Ni Curie as comfortable (Say 340C), pressure regulated to approx 1bar abs. 9. Hold, pressure regulated to approx 1bar abs. 10. Slowly lower temp to above highest known Ni Debye (Say 220C), pressure regulated to approx 1bar abs. 11. Hold, pressure regulated to approx 1bar abs. 12. Go as fast as possible through Ni Curie 13. Hold, pressure regulated to approx 0.5bar abs. 14. Cycle through 500C internal, pressure regulated to approx 0.5bar abs. 15. Hold, pressure regulated to approx 0.5bar abs. 16. Raise internal temperature to over 1200, pressure regulated to approx 0.5bar abs. 17. Drop to around 1000 and hold, pressure regulated to approx 0.5bar abs. 18. Raise internal temperature to near boiling point of Lithium 1h Thermal > x/[ch946]- emissions > Pb > IR/THz > 5h (SSM) where ‘>’ means ‘leads to’ The End of the Carbon Age is Nigh Thankyou to all those that helped us Somebody who wants to do this to get a COP of 2 ~ 4, feel free.    Get stuck, you can get help on MFMP web site/facebook.   This is OPEN SOURCE SCIENCE as nobody has a patent on the actual reactions (so far they are viewed as natural phenomena) but patents do exist on Rossi's mixtures and excitation systems, etc. etc.     Plus, nobody is going to waste time with your piddling about anyway -- not unless you go to selling it in any sort of volume.    Go into business of any size and expect a license application from Leonardo to show up in your mailbox pretty soon explaining what it will cost you to keep on doing what you are doing. Only Rossi does higher than COP=6 at this point in time. Rossi's goal right now is to produce tons of little reactor elements for sale so cheaply you'd be silly not to just go buy the real McCoy.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Serowbot on 02/24/16 at 08:44:34 Everyone should have a nuclear reactor that even the inventor doesn't understand,... warming them at the foot of their bed... Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside... ;D

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 02/24/16 at 09:45:02 Chernobyl in a cassock? I doubt it I do wonder about radiation, because I go cross eyed every time I try to read the technical posts

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/24/16 at 13:28:45 MFMP discusses that their methodology (especially when run up at the self-destruct levels) can create "medical level" X ray energy -- and about the appropriate shielding for such. Rossi routinely triple shields (layers of sheet metal) on all of his reactors and then sticks them inside metal enclosures yet again, so YES the Rossi people DO pay close attention to any potential X-Ray energy (and potential low energy neutrons too) that may occur with LENR. :P       One questions how much accumulated X-Ray / neutron exposure Rossi got during his early experimenting years ....... http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZVb1udmQnnkZLFhH_Hprg4n6RQUZ-OSgq7Bw7U_FLDQmEs2rX I keep liking this sort of room heater using a single rossi core ......   plus you get the super nifty "soft blue glow" night light effect for free.     :o

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/24/16 at 13:50:03 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/02/24/mfmp-letter-to-donors-on-e-cat-replication-breakthrough/ MFMP Letter to Donors on LENR Replication Breakthrough Posted on February 24, 2016 by Frank Acland • 17 Comments Thanks to e-dog for posting this in a comment. It’s a letter from the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project explaining their E-Cat replication breakthrough that has been announced. Here’s the complete letter to the donors from MFMP: Dear Donor, During ICCF-17 in South Korea, shortly following the sad death of Dr. Martin Fleischmann, it became abundantly clear to a group of fresh attendees that the old approach to science, combined with the ostracisation of the great minds that had worked in the face of ridicule, was not delivering on the promise of of what we immediately called, “The New Fire”. It also was clear that there was something to investigate and we were morally bound to do it. We said that people would not believe, until they could experience it as if they were doing themselves and so the idea of Live Open Science was born. That was not enough, it had to be an effort that was free from commercial or government interests and that result and so it had to be conducted by the people, for the people. Our journey was made possible by the courage of Francesco Celani and we thank him profusely. Your donations played a critical role in realising this vision, but you know that, what we know you will want to hear is what we have to share tomorrow. We have been running and analysing an experiment live over the past Month. First for us in this experiment were: – Parkhomov Baking of Ni(correctly done) – Pre Hydrogenation of Ni – Proper baking out of cell under vacuum – Parkhomov pressure – Piantelli de-oxygenation – Piantelli ‘loading’ + proper dwell times – Piantelli capture analogue – Use of free Lithium – Use of calibrated NaI – Cycles attempting to create nano Ni distillates (inspired by “Bang!” discovery of dissolved Ni) – Long Run You can see that there are steps in there that came about only because of activities that were made possible by donations. The critical visits to Piantelli and Parkhomov. Around the beginning of the month we saw what appeared to be up to a COP of 1.2, not earth shattering, but sustained and robust and in line with both observations by others and the Lugano report when adjusted for correct emissivity. Over the next weeks we tried various bookend calibrations which supported this finding. We have said that only two paths would satisfy us: Statistically significant Isotopic or elemental shifts from Fuel to Ash Statistically significant emissions commensurate, correlating, or anti correlating to excess heat We are happy to tell you that we believe we have satisfied our condition 2, yet of course we’d like to replicate ourselves. Actually, though, it goes much further than that. What we will share is that the way in which we discovered it and the journey of analysis that makes it virtually impossible to say that Rossi does not have what he claims. It also shows that, whilst he may have been optimistic in how fast this would play out, he has been telling the truth, quite openly for years. Not only that, nature itself has been telling the same story and it told us too. By the 16/02/2016 we had given up trying to destroy the *GlowStick* 5.2, part of a long lineage of []=Project Dog Bone=[] experiments. After the reactor was turned off, Alan shared the remainder of the data files from the NaI scintillator kindly donated by a project follower called Stephen (Thankyou Stephen, really). Project follower and open science legend, Ecco, first took a look at the data and found some anomalies – one SO striking that we thought there had been an equipment failure. We did not know the time that the anomalies occurred and had to wait until Alan woke to explain the time stamps so we could correlate it with the thermal and power data published live to HUGNet (Thankyou Ryan and Paul Hunt). To our extreme surprise, the onset of excess heat followed the massive anomaly in emissions and the minor anomalies were during and only during excess heat. This led us on a path of discovery, the sequence of which explains: The massive count signal discovered by Francesco Celani during Rossi’s first public demo How Rossi knew his reactor had started How the E-Cat generates excess heat How it self sustains How it can scale easily That it is safe It also showed us how replicators can know they have succeeded in triggering the New Fire and how to enhance the excess heat. Subsequent to this, we found out Rossi had travelled the same design journey and had publicly shared it in the past. The irony is – this was all being conducted live in the open, including discussions and graphing, whilst people were distracted with news of the end of the 1MW 1 year test. Same day… In the past week we have been checking, cross checking to verify and this morning we cleared our last serious doubt, again live, with shared data. Because this is already in the open we want people to know so that they can start replicating based on what works, moreover, the insight will allow people to immediately start improving on our results. Thank you for making this possible We did it We lit the New Fire Together!

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 02/24/16 at 14:22:00 60434B494A43434A5D2F0 wrote: I keep liking this sort of room heater using a single rossi core ......   plus you get the super nifty "soft blue glow" night light effect for free.     :o oh goody, I love that new ikea r color.   8-)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/24/16 at 14:24:01 Now let's talk about Copy Cats coming from the Far East ....... This is FOSS stuff and infinite numbers of "little distros" are possible -- each exploring its own little niche and discovering how to do it better than the other guy. Eventually, Raspberry Pi based controller sets will be built and there will become a "universal exciter power supply" and a completely universal reactor interface jack will be chosen.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 02/24/16 at 14:25:21 seeing how well the hover boards are doing... I'll pass

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/24/16 at 14:30:16 I think buying a UL rated Real McCoy is more of Versy's style.     8-) I am reminded about stuffing pop cans and trash into the white MR. Fusion stuck on the back of the Delorian ......

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 02/24/16 at 14:47:25 I'm never a 1st adopter.  let someone else do the debugging.  http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/smiley/angry021.gif

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by old_rider on 02/24/16 at 22:30:04 Just bought me one of them "radiant" room heaters for the garage.... you know, the "infrared" type. I must say, it heats really well for a little square box..... has a digital display and everything! I actually took off my jacket when I was cleaning my guns...... well, it was 58 degrees outside..... but my garage isn't insulated. I am looking forward to the day that my little heater puts out heat AND powers the saw, the lathe and all my fine destructive toolage!

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/25/16 at 16:58:34 Interesting hard point -- the new plants are going with ABB Production Robotics to build the high volume production line.    Time line from Go decision to Ship is supposedly 3 months as confirmed by ABB. Rossi et al are working out the vendor chains to build everything that is easy and non-confidential. There is a ton of work to do ....... ::) Logical decision point is the release of the Referee's COP findings.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/11/16 at 12:13:51 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/03/11/hydro-fusion-reports-121-million-chinese-investment-into-lenr/ New Investments  121 Million transferred to Industrial Heat by Chinese  (American Gov stalling still) Tom Darden, CEO of Industrial Heat, signed a cooperation agreement with a newly created strategic financial center in Beijing. The “Technology Ministry of Science and Innovation Park” will participate in technology transfer with 20 companies from the U.S. This sparked rumors that the E-Cat technology recently patented in the U.S. would somehow become the sole property of the Chinese government. However, these ideas were assuaged, and China invested the equivalent of $121 million USD in LENR technology. Alain asked Andrea Rossi if he knew about this on the Journal of Nuclear Physics today, and Rossi responded, “yes, I saw it, it has been reproduced from other publications”. Alain asked if AR was involved in this deal, and he responded, “no, it is an action IH made in his Territory, for which has been licensed from Leonardo Corporation” OK, 3 plants are being built (very quickly) and large amounts of money are moving around now.    No announcements are being made other than the most generalistic and vague sorts of promises that nothing "non-proven and non-factual" shall ever come forth from IH, ever. IH promises firmly only "facts and completely provable items" will ever be given out OR WILL EVER BE SOLD BY INDUSTRIAL HEAT. Also please note that Industrial Heat is on record as being a main or THE MAIN distributor for ALL 5 of the major LENR development camps.   Industrial Heat realizes that they all have something to contribute and they have set themselves up as a potential clearing house for the eventual cooperation/conglomerations between these guys as each group has pushed part of a realm forward in advance of the others.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 03/11/16 at 13:42:57 well... cat's outta the bag then. making sure the Chinese live up to their agreement will be like herding cats.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/11/16 at 18:29:37 Nothing has been announced in America.   Total silence. As far as the press goes, the fix is still in.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/12/16 at 04:22:55 https://animpossibleinvention.com/2016/03/10/industrial-heat-makes-announcement/ Industrial Heat makes legally requrired pre-announcement I (Matts Lewan) just received this statement from Andrea Rossi’s US partner Industrial Heat, in an e-mail from its Vice President, JT Vaughn. Industrial Heat acquired the rights to produce and sell E-Cat based products in South and North America, Russia, China and a few other countries, in 2012. Update: I agree with Torkel Nyberg, arguing in his blog Sifferkoll that this statement probably is aimed at building credibility and at defending IH and everyone involved with the one-year 1MW test, on which a third party report is expected within a few weeks, from expected attacks by people whose interests are threatened by a cheap, clean, carbon free, versatile and abundant energy source. And by people who have insisted on negating and obstructing every scientific claim regarding LENR or cold fusion in the last decades. At a certain extent, I also think that IH wants to underline that it has undertaken a one-year test, controlled 24/7 by a respected third party institute, and that this sets it a part from other companies and groups in the LENR field, from a competition point of view. “Statement of Industrial Heat regarding LENR Industry Developments March 10, 2016 From:   JT Vaughn, Vice President, Sales and Marketing, Industrial Heat Industrial Heat’s objective is to make clean, safe and affordable energy available everywhere, and in doing this we want to build a company that demonstrates respect for all. LENR is a key focus of Industrial Heat and we believe multiple technologies in this sector warrant further investigation and development. Industrial Heat has licensed, acquired or invested in several LENR technologies from around the world. We have developed a group of LENR thought leaders, and we have built a world- class engineering team. We are pleased with the technologies we have assembled and with the group of scientists and engineers working on them. Presently, the Industrial Heat team is in the midst of assessing and prioritizing the technologies in our portfolio. Our operating philosophy is to foster scientific and engineering rigor in the development of LENR. We will thoroughly assess data derived from sound experiments which we design, control and monitor. Embracing failure as well as success is important, because we learn from both. Unfortunately, there is a long and continuing pattern of premature proclamations in the LENR sector. Because of this, we encourage open-minded skepticism. We believe society suffers when technological advances and innovative experimentation are stifled; likewise, society and the industry suffer when results are promoted and claims are made without rigorous verification and precise measurement. We value credibility through sound LENR research. That’s why any claims made about technologies in our portfolio should only be relied upon if affirmed by Industrial Heat and backed by reputable third parties who have verified our results in repeated experiments. Our portfolio of work has never been stronger and we remain excited about the potential we see. This optimism is grounded in more than just hope, yet a great deal of work remains. The energy challenges of today must be met with viable, clean, safe and affordable solutions.” /b] Side Note: The e-mail I received from JT Vaughn was sent in CC to an individual at the global public affairs and strategic communications consultancy firm APCO Worldwide. In Wikipedia, it says on this firm: [b]“Most public relations firms focus on corporate communications, but APCO is usually hired to handle sensitive political and crisis management issues. Many APCO executives are former prominent government officials, politicians and ambassadors. APCO’s clientele consists of multi-national corporations, governments, politicians, associations and nonprofit organisations.” ::) Yep, sounds like Industrial Heat is using APCO wisely in clearing their throat, getting ready to kick over the big ant hill with a credible, backed up information release.     Remember, Industrial Heat has bought distribution rights from the TOP 4 LENR TEAMS, so they are in a unique position to co-represent the best of the best of the best as LENR rolls out.   Industrial Heat could broker information sharing where needed as well.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/12/16 at 04:41:48 http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/industrialheat-under-fierce-attack-from-trolls-and-pathosceptics-due-to-lenr-investments/ However there is no doubt either that everyone that has had anything to do with with the report will be attacked. Even on a personal level. We will see massive discrediting down to the level of spelling errors and old speeding tickets. "We value credibility through sound LENR research. That’s why any claims made about technologies in our portfolio should only be relied upon if affirmed by Industrial Heat and backed by reputable third parties who have verified our results in repeated experiments. Our portfolio of work has never been stronger and we remain excited about the potential we see." Apart from being very positive, this is yet another credit to the Lugano Report. It is absolutely obvious that they trust the results of the report, and they should know. Patho Sceptics and fools like Stephan Pomp and Peter Ekström, that have never even been close to an E-Cat obviously suffer from extreme hubris (or something worse) On a positive note. Maybe it all comes down to fear of change, fear of the unknown. On the paper people seem to like change and innovation, but when confronted with it in the real world they will voted it down by a clear majority, due to mostly hate of the people bringing it to them and fear of the consequences it brings. Sad it is, but at least better than the criminal alternatives. Generally though I believe the worst enemies of LENR is not the oil and energy business. They can transform to new conditions of their own powers. No. The worst ones are found among people and organisations that are dependent on tax financing. Obviously expensive academic research within hot fusion comes to mind, but there are other neighbouring areas in research like alternative energy. Also the whole climate change industry is thoroughly unprepared. Up until now they have been shouting fraud and/or been in denial. It will change and they will fight for their lives trying to regulate … something … There is a shite storm coming ......   Shite will fly down hard and heavy from many sources.   Industrial Heat is doubling down on PR and LEGAL fronts, hiring the big guns to manage their informational releases. These are also the same big guns that can SUE YOUR ASS into the ground you if you libel or defame their clients .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/12/16 at 20:37:40 http://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sifferkoll.se%2Fsifferkoll%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F03%2Flicense1-1024x724.png&key=BX1Sj4N_vjGPDHMpt7oYdQ&w=480&h=288

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/12/16 at 20:46:42 Remember please, that Industrial Heat represents ALL of the leading LENR development teams in the USA, North America, South America and China. Robert Godes (Brillouin) has stubbed his toe a bit just recently in "interpreting" this statement for IH and is currently catching some shite over it (and getting some amens from the verbal crowd as well). "It is important to read between the lines. I suspect one of the most important statements is "any claims made about technologies in our portfolio should only be relied upon if affirmed by Industrial Heat and backed by reputable third parties who have verified our results in repeated experiments." IE people should learn to ignore statements put out directly by Rossi. In response to some of the replies...I intended the bit of "statements put out directly by Rossi" mostly in regards to the market readiness of his "products". Godes understands where "his" Industrial Heat development group currently is and he is simply saying "don't jump the gun because anybody says anything apart from Industrial Heat" --  the starter who holds the real starting gun is Industrial Heat. (Industrial Heat who just moved 110 million from China into their coffers) HOWEVER -- PLEASE read the distributor map and understand where Hydrofusion holds sway and Leonard holds sway and understand these groups have their own set of rules that have nothing to do with Industrial Heat ...... Rossi is likely being asked to hold his tongue right by Industrial Heat now and HE WON"T DO IT 100% ......   Rossi is Leonardo Corporation and we can get confirmation from Matts Lewan who is inside the area controlled by Hydrofusion.   Both can thumb noses at IH at will if they choose to do so.    And occasionally, they do "oopsie" on purpose.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/12/16 at 21:07:36 By July/August the first LENR plant (low temp industrial steam) should be in production.   Where that is depends on which government wants to get out of the way and do it first.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/13/16 at 05:48:58 Best statement of where Rossi is vis a vi Industrial Heat.  Industrial Heat has all the good contacts and gets all the 110 million sized funding chunks.   Industrial Heat controls all the current tech as invented as of end of the one year test.  None of the distributors can own "rights" to any non-invented technologies of course, so Industrial Heat's one year in the box gets them E-Cat (low temp steam) and early E-Cat X (high temp steam and electricity) because it was developed on Industrial Heat's dime while Rossi worked in the container directly for them. Remember, Industrial Heat has all the other players under contract and has their own lab and their own mgf plants under development.    Some of the known "container players" decided to stay on at Industrial Heat and did not follow Rossi into revolt. ASSUMPTIONS AR is an inventor with a very particular way of working. He is not a marketeer, not a salesman, not an architect. Moreover, his network is limited. Since the discovery of the "Rossi Effect" he is been searching for a partner that could complement his weaknesses. However, he is an old fox that wants to stay in control. His biggest fear is, and this fear outweighs his biggest dream, that he loses control of his inventions. IH is at first an experienced VC and only then, so secondly, wants to make the world a better place. They have a big network and are able to tap into a big liquidity pool and already know the companies that could be interested in an E-Cat solution. By default they do not necessarily believe in individual companies, but they invest on a higher level. They believe in an idea, a concept, technology. THE AR / IH DEAL & TEST 1. IH struck a deal with AR where the outcome of the 1 year test triggered a potential second phase. 2. AR signed a 1 year contract with IH as the "Lead Engineer". 3. IH paid for the test, found the customer, instructed the ERV and coordinated things. 4. IH tried / tries to include as much IP as possible in the deal, but AR remains AR and makes sure he stays independent to a certain extent. 5. After the test ended AR's "Lead Engineer" role ended and he is now inventing for his own entity again. 6. IH is still negotiating with AR about a second, more complete contract. They are in a similar situation as Defkalion, although they have substantially more info, license and IP. They cannot denounce AR at this point in time, but try to manoeuvre themselves in a position where they can apply pressure. FUTURE HINTS The longer IH takes to announce things, the less likely it is that they have something. If the "Rossi Effect" is real, AR continuous development leads to competition. Also other developments (MFMP, the Russians, the Chinese, etc.) are a threat. In the meantime they work with other LENR parties to enhance and add to their IP. Industrial Heat owns all the current marbles, and any new marbles developed under their dime.   Rossi is trying to break free now and make up some new, more advanced marbles as Leonardo Corp.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/14/16 at 10:40:31 http://www.lookingforheat.com/ So, you want to do you a LENR science fair project ...... http://i1.wp.com/www.lookingforheat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Cold-Fusion-Kit-Looking-For-Heat-product-pic-500x-500.jpg?fit=470%2C470 http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/LENR-FIRST-HEAT-WITH-THE-MODEL-T-REACTOR..pdf The kit is for sale now, so you can do two tests at once (you calibrate your heater and document your normal temps seen then start plugging stuff in until you get ignition on one of them). Known good mixes are for sale, already prepped and ready to go ...... Think of it as the Raspberry Pi beginner's set for excited lattice transformation nerds. ..... don't forget your geiger counter and X-Ray detector film strip (exposure detector). NOTE:  geiger counter and X-Ray detector comes stock with the kit now (play safely, please)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/14/16 at 20:14:40 Update: Rossi now works for himself (Leonardo Corp).   He licenses newly developed tech to lots of distributors now, a whole world full of them. http://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sifferkoll.se%2Fsifferkoll%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F03%2Flicense1-1024x724.png&key=BX1Sj4N_vjGPDHMpt7oYdQ&w=480&h=288 Rossi is all about new stuff, creating new stuff at a tremendous rate.   He may be eccentric, but the boy can sure make up some new stuff fairly rapidly. Industrial Heat is about slow paced commercialization (long term testing and full safety certification and actual real production).   The sub-distributors all over the world are waiting for something to sell (waiting on Industrial Heat to go into production on something). You got some pretty good take off now on the general idea, with public internet science and replication of better mixes taking place now and some quite rapid progress on theory, etc is taking place now. Rossi likes the Brits and the Swedes and would support them with E-Cat Y (2nd gen direct electric generation) it is now called  QUARK as soon as he gets it all defined and properly patented.    Newer stuff might move forward quicker as the first broad general path gets plowed and leveled by Industrial Heat. Brillouin is also getting involved in some early integrated Rossi/Brillouin stuff working with their main distributor, Industrial Heat.   Brillouin holds a lot of large scale control and maintenance patents that apply to large coal power plant reworks, etc.  You won't hear much about this as Brillouin is as closed mouthed about this stuff as Industrial Heat is. Rossi's IP can be integrated by various industries as they develop their knowledge basis.  Think REEM for home heating, etc. etc. etc. Industrial Heat is coming off as "moving too slowly" right now.   This image could change once the first products are actually in production.    No one can fault the Industrial Heat slow and cautious approach to getting the first UL products in production as complete and total success there is imperative to anybody moving forward. Hydrofusion/Leonardo may eventually be able to move faster than Industrial Heat, on a different mix of produced items later on. Right now Industrial Heat is waving the baton and the LENR world is marching to their slow steady beat.   Friction is developing in various corners to "go faster" though.   This is countered by a real fear of disrupting world economies, etc. etc.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/15/16 at 07:58:37 Industrial Heat just bought up George Miley's IP.   Industrial Heat is becoming a clearing house for older LENR developments that have been superseded by Rossi's E-Cat and E-Cat X. Industrial Heat has also patently bought up all of the old Rossi pre-Cat licenses and distributorships, simply telling the folks the "your cost plus 10%" offer is the only offer they would ever get as what they bought was NOT what Rossi is working on now, but the primitive precursor that was roughly a pot with nickel powder and a hydrogen gas feed.   Use of lithium or any of the other "catalysts" was not invented then and WAS NOT in the IP that these guys had purchased.   Secret Sauce wasn't invented back then either, BTW, nor was specific excitement frequencies that are currently used. Industrial Heat owns all IP rights to LENR as it exists right now, including E-Cat X and Quark. If IH is under the US government's thumb to keep from upsetting the US economy, then Rossi breaking free and going to England and Sweden for developing his newest ideas is a good thing. I still want my free energy room heater.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/15/16 at 08:06:17 Rossi just announced E-Cat X is going into a customer location for a protracted test.   This will take place in April (next month). Since E-Cat X is small and Rossi had been working with a 3 up steam calorimetry chamber while in the old trailer, it is easy to make some ASSUMPTIONS that this will be a smaller sort of commercial application.   Say a heating furnace or heating oven, with a DC blower circulation fan to actually use up any generated electrical power by doing something useful. Who knows ????    We shall see ......     Remember, E-Cat X is Industrial Heat's shared IP as Rossi was a paid employee when it was developed. Also remember, E-Cat X runs naturally at 1,400 degrees F and it likely goes through its fuel charge more quickly than low temp steam E-Cat did.    Tests should be shorter duration, in other words. Commercial heat treat ovens, LARGE heating plants. E-Cat X could tuck into many many many different locations inside a customer's facility.   Running the blower off the generated power means you could have a forced air furnace that supplied its own blower power for constant air circulation. REEM, is it you buddy ???   We know that 3-4 heating mgfs were already working with Rossi's old design groups back in the container days .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 03/15/16 at 09:13:35 LenRnox I hear you knocking... http://static.lennox.com/img/logo.png

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/16/16 at 05:12:43 Woodford Management Comment on Industrial Heat Investment Neil Woodford and others of Woodford Investment Management LLP, the UK investment fund that has invested around $50 million in Industrial Heat LLC, recently held a Q&A with investors and interested persons regarding their investment portfolios. A couple of questions came up regarding their investment in Industrial Heat, and in both cases the questions were answered with the same statement from Paul Farrow, one of the site moderators: "We are patient capital investors. Industrial Heat is currently working with numerous scientists and is acquiring both the technology and teams required to maximise the potential of new energy technologies. The company recently said that it is willing to invest time and resources to see if this technology might be an area of useful research in its quest to eliminate pollution. We share this quest for what we believe will be a significant development and exploitation of new energy sources." https://woodfordfunds.com/qa-neil-woodford Woodford has over 50 million recently put into the Industrial Heat plant building fund.    Rossi has indicated his preference for dealing with the Swedes and the Brits, so it is interesting to see what Woodford is saying. Answer is they are toeing the party line and saying very little until they have something both definitive and proven TO say. Also note that Woodford has been helping to buy up all old extant pre-E-Cat "distributorships" sold by Rossi in years past --until this buy back activity is totally completed I doubt you will hear any real news from either Woodford or Industrial Heat as any news would drive the buyback price up through the roof.. Worth noting, Industrial Heat and Woodford are now in a position to COMBINE THE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTIES from all their various people's groups to make up a combined system that  A) is not in violation of anybody's IP since IH owns it all now and  B) works better because of the combination of knowledge bases used.   Remember, over half of Rossi's old team now work exclusively for Industrial Heat in IH's research facilities (plural, that -- NC and Florida).   IH owns Brillouin's controls IP as well, which was different and had some very nice fully developed process controls of VERY  LARGE implementations (coal fired plant refurbs / replacements).

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/16/16 at 14:26:54 http://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sifferkoll.se%2Fsifferkoll%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F03%2Flicense1-1024x724.png&key=BX1Sj4N_vjGPDHMpt7oYdQ&w=480&h=288 OK, you can read whatever you want into this one -- it's got lots of potential as a news release point with Mats Lewan (who lives in the HydroFusion distributor area where the show is taking place) doing a live interview with Andrea Rossi (who owns and runs the Leonardo distributor area).   Neither one of these two individuals is "controlled" by Industrial Heat or Woodford for very much at this point in time ...... UPDATE #1 (March 16, 2016) Mats Lewan posted this on the LENR-Forum here: “Ok, I can now confirm that Rossi will attend the New Energy World Symposium, not as a speaker but to be interviewed by me on stage. In connection to the symposium, at a separate event, he says he will have some important announcements to make. No date defined. The decision to hold the symposium, however, still depends on the result of the one-year 1MW test being released and positive. Plans are proceeding meanwhile and there are now more than 200 attendees pre-registered. I’m also considering making it a two-day event, June 21-22, with an option to attend one day only” Interesting point is that both Rossi and Mats both know what is in the executive summary, and a decision NOT to release that data by Industrial Heat would seem to indicate some "silencing" was being exerted by someone upon both Industrial Heat and Woodford. A cancelling of the symposium by Mats would indicate that the thumb had came down upon him, too. AND Mats, you need to be very careful -- you are NOT vital to the flow of new LENR stuff like Rossi is vital and you are the most likely one to get shot in your headbone if somebody does indeed need to get shot in the headbone yet again as a warning to shut the LENR crowd up yet again. We don't need another Eugene Mallove ....... http://www.greatdreams.com/430783-185169.jpg  R.I.P.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/18/16 at 06:01:34 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/03/17/rossi-small-e-cat-prototype-units-are-100-w-called-quarks/ New Rossi term to digest.   Quark New lower limit to think about --- max power same as a light bulb for a single unit.    Min power is 'adjustable". "Stackable" fine granular total power adjustment, either by physical stacking or by turning units off and on ..... Start thinking about that room heater unit again, Quarks will live inside that envelope space as they are machine "printed" sorts of things and lend themselves to volume manufacturing to support a vast array of uses. Rossi: Small E-Cat Prototype Units are 100 W Called ‘Quarks’ (Update#2: Quarks Can Work With Other Heat Sources) Posted on March 17, 2016 by Frank Acland • 124 Comments Another day, another detail from Dr. Rossi about the E-Cat X. Update #2 (March 17, 2016) Here are some interesting responses by Andrea to some new questions about the E-Cat X Quarks Can you tell us about the Quark 1. Are the prototypes as small as you can practically make with existing materials and the present state of your proprietary and confidential knowledge? AR: yes 2. Or could you make a prototype even smaller? AR: maybe 3. Does this technology hold any potential for transforming heat which is not produced from the e-cat operation but comes from another source into electricity? AR: yes The answer to the last question is especially interesting to me because it implies that the Quark can be used independent of an E-Cat as a thermoelectric device that could use any form of heat to create electricity. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Here’s another comment posted by Andrea Rossi today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics. Rossi was asked if they would have “mini-modules” that could be combined for small and large purposes, and he responded: Andrea Rossi February 29, 2016 at 9:43 AM Yes, we are making a prototype that we call “quark” because very tiny and fundamental, with a power of 100 W assemblable up to any power. Warm Regards, A.R. Some people have referred to these small modules as ‘Lego blocks’, and having them in 100 W sizes could make them suitable for very many purposes, large and small — especially if they can be used to provide electricity only, as Rossi said was possible yesterday (although he said that would mean ‘lower efficiency’ (whatever that means). It’s fascinating to hear about these E-Cat X developments. So far, except for the confirmation of the E-Cat X’s existence by Fulvio Fabiani, we only have Rossi’s word for these E-Cat advancements. I look forward to when more information is released that confirms what he is reporting. UPDATE: I was curious about whether these Quarks could deliver electricity only, so I asked AR about this: Dear Andrea,Rossi: Small E-Cat Prototype Units are 100 W Called ‘Quarks’ (Update#2: Quarks Can Work With Other Heat Sources) Posted on March 17, 2016 by Frank Acland • 124 Comments Another day, another detail from Dr. Rossi about the E-Cat X. Update #2 (March 17, 2016) Here are some interesting responses by Andrea to some new questions about the E-Cat X Quarks Can you tell us about the Quark 1. Are the prototypes as small as you can practically make with existing materials and the present state of your proprietary and confidential knowledge? AR: yes 2. Or could you make a prototype even smaller? AR: maybe 3. Does this technology hold any potential for transforming heat which is not produced from the e-cat operation but comes from another source into electricity? AR: yes The answer to the last question is especially interesting to me because it implies that the Quark can be used independent of an E-Cat as a thermoelectric device that could use any form of heat to create electricity. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Here’s another comment posted by Andrea Rossi today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics. Rossi was asked if they would have “mini-modules” that could be combined for small and large purposes, and he responded: Andrea Rossi February 29, 2016 at 9:43 AM Yes, we are making a prototype that we call “quark” because very tiny and fundamental, with a power of 100 W assemblable up to any power. Warm Regards, A.R. Some people have referred to these small modules as ‘Lego blocks’, and having them in 100 W sizes could make them suitable for very many purposes, large and small — especially if they can be used to provide electricity only, as Rossi said was possible yesterday (although he said that would mean ‘lower efficiency’ (whatever that means). It’s fascinating to hear about these E-Cat X developments. So far, except for the confirmation of the E-Cat X’s existence by Fulvio Fabiani, we only have Rossi’s word for these E-Cat advancements. I look forward to when more information is released that confirms what he is reporting. UPDATE: I was curious about whether these Quarks could deliver electricity only, so I asked AR about this: Dear Andrea, Can you make a quark that produces electricity only (no heat), with an efficiency of COP >1? Andrea Rossi March 1, 2016 at 8:55 AM Frank Acland: Yes. F9.using his most modern creations Warm Regards, A.R. This last little bit offers the thought of cell phones and laptops that are self powered (replaceable Quark cells). Another science fiction standby prop perhaps becomes a reality --- the glow globe (self-powered light that can also heat the room as needed) And my room heater, don't forget about that ...... Realize please that the QUARK isn't controlled by anybody but Rossi as it has just been invented. Rossi could choose break the silence using his most modern creations, and let Industrial Heat stand mum on the items held inside its portfolio.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/18/16 at 06:51:15 Considerable parallels exist between Nikola Tesla, Westinghouse and Edison's General Electric and the modern Rossi story. In the saga of electricity, Tesla continued to invent and quickly left Edison's orbit because of intellectual differences.   Tesla would not be bound and subservient to Edison any longer. Tesla's new tech quickly outstripped his old tech and Edison was left holding a sack of old shite while Westinghouse quickly outstripped GE technologically.   This was of course handled by the courts as GE owned all the rights to the base original technologies and Westinghouse was forced by the courts to co-license the new bits and pieces at the going commercial rate to their old nemesis.    Both companies wound up owning rights to the entire package after a mass of dollars were exchanged back and forth between them. Tesla continued to invent up until he became senile, then the lab boys at Westinghouse and GE carried the torch forward into the future.   Westinghouse supported Tesla in his old age with food, room, medical etc up until the day he died.   Tesla, although "penny less" lacked for nothing as he had many admirers who would visit him in his rooms. Both Tesla and Rossi are odd ducks, but Rossi has a better sense of money than Tesla did. Will Rossi have another table top unit calorimeter unit  bubbling away on a table top at this next conference, or will he just point at the glow globes off at the corners of the stage?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/18/16 at 08:33:39 Rossi, as Leonardo Corp intends to present Quark "very likely in June". On JONP: "Koen Vandewalle March 18, 2016 at 5:54 AM Dear Andrea Rossi, Is it correct that the so-called “Self Sustaining Mode”, is no longer important or even counterproductive in the E-Cat QuarkX ? Kind Regards, Koen Andrea Rossi March 18, 2016 at 7:07 AM Koen Vandewalle: I will be able to answer when the E-Cat X will be published, very likely in June. Warm Regards, A.R. Andrea Rossi March 18, 2016 at 7:10 AM Norman: She is continuing to operate in the new laboratory of Leonardo Corporation and is still very, very promising. Warm Regards, A.R."

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/18/16 at 08:47:15 Thought.   Industrial Heat needs to name a new top scientist since Rossi has left their fold.   Brillouin's Robert Godes comes to mind .... not in Rossi's class as an inventor, but plenty good enough to build something that could retrofit a coal plant out of IP that Industrial Heat already owns. Godes vs Rossi ---- they could motivate each other considerably from afar as neither really cares for the other very much.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/18/16 at 08:50:15 Rossi, however, desperately needs a corporate sponsor to provide all the etc. etc. he has no time nor attention nor wish to create, or purchase, or do in order to make his inventions real. Actually, Industrial Heat took pretty good care of Rossi.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/18/16 at 09:23:41 Tesla, although "penny less" lacked for nothing as he had many admirers who would visit him in his rooms. I've been saddened by the story of his life. Yet another Truth Another Everyone Knows he died in poverty, Hey, Everyone Knows... How did you come by that nugget?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/18/16 at 11:13:44 http://www.teslasociety.com/hotelnewyorkerroom.htm I watched info movies on Tesla all along as he was recognized as inventor of radio, etc. etc. Tesla got smeared by Edison all along the way, including after Edison actually predeceased him and GE continued to smear him as a company policy.    The scientific leadership smeared Tesla because Tesla paid them and their theories no mind whatsoever.   Showed them no respect, in other words.   Would rather have Marconi invent the radio, etc. as Tesla was persona non grata. http://www.teslasociety.com/pictures/hotel/yorker.jpg The New Yorker wasn't exactly poverty digs, you know. "Penny less" actually suited Tesla, as he had no need for funds in his old age -- Westinghouse folks literally saw he got everything he wanted or needed.   He never left the hotel as he could get meals, haircuts, you name it right there -- including endless room service. You see, Westinghouse the man was going broke early on in the electricity race and Westinghouse called Tesla into his office to tell him he wasn't going to make is payroll, pay his bills and pay Teslsa's royalties.    Tesla said to him "OK, I give it to you -- now pay your bills and pay your employees"  and Tesla went back to his drawing board to what he was working on. Westinghouse never forgot about Tesla --- ever.    Westinghouse corp was founded on Telsa's engineering work and that holds true pretty much through now.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/18/16 at 11:39:45 http://www.tfcbooks.com/teslafaq/q&a_001.htm Read this and realize that Tesla had past contractual relationships with the US military, and it, being war time they came to collect any top secret info that might be contained in Tesla's papers. And sure enough, everything having to do with the Philadelphia Experiment or the Death Ray got gone the very same day Tesla died. Some of the classified things he shouldn't have been keeping paperwork in his room (in his safe) in the first place. The vast majority of Tesla's papers were turned over to his heirs. http://www.tfcbooks.com/images/misc/muzej_archive.jpg

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/18/16 at 11:47:12 http://www.informationweek.com/it-leadership/20-people-who-changed-tech-marconi-and-tesla/d/d-id/1109221? The Supreme Court would later overturn Marconi's radio patent, in 1943, and award it to Tesla. It didn't hurt Tesla that Marconi was suing the U.S. government for using his radio patents and, if Marconi didn't really have a patent, the government wouldn't have to pay him a dime. Nor did it hurt that Marconi was a recognized fascist while Tesla, born and raised in the Austrian Empire, had become an American citizen. Politics comes and goes, comes and goes.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/19/16 at 12:47:05 SAY WHAT? HOW MUCH SMALLER?   SAY THAT AGAIN, PLEASE ........ On JONP: "Wendy March 19, 2016 at 2:23 AM Dear Andrea Rossi, A 1 MW plant made by the QuarkX Ecat would be smaller of the 1 MW E-Cat tested for one year ? Thanks, Wendy Andrea Rossi March 19, 2016 at 8:42 AM Wendy: Much smaller. I think it could be contained in a cubic meter. Warm Regards, A.R." This isn't a mouth burble, Rossi is building an E-Cat Quark X  RIGHT NOW to put into a customer's place of business starting next month. This also goes a long way to explain the silence gap at the end of the big test in the containers -- the old E-Cat test used 4 LONG steam chambers (with six long cores each = 24 reactor cores in total) that together massed at least 12 times bigger than the E-Cat Quark X he is currently building to test starting next month. Rossi, this last year alone went from 40 ft container to 20 ft container to 12 cubic meters, and now he is going to be doing it in a single cubic meter ????? ...... his tech is moving, very very quickly, with the generational improvements obsoleting what has just finished testing. Industrial Heat may feel they don't need to rush to "announce" an obsoleted tech they don't ever plan to build. Next, rumors have it that ABB, the robotics people are buying in with Rossi and Hydrofusion and will provide a Swedish plant ASAP built complete as their contribution to the new kitty. Rossi's Leonardo, Hydrofusion and ABB sounds like a very strong technology pushing troika.   When the troika go into production providing units to the other distributors, then Industrial Heat and Woodford and the others will have something to sell with a normal markup margin. .... or else mebbe Industrial Heat could combine all their old obsoleted IPs together and sell something of their own creation.   Klunky and big, but it could make some seriously cheap, long lasting industrial heat.    Godes at Brillouin has designs for such, and if the IP between E-Cat and Brillouin was shared by Industrial Heat (who holds both) -- then this combo could build a long lasting durable retro-fit technology for existing coal fired electrical generation plants starting like NOW.  Klunky and big and long lasting fits the retrofit coal power plant thing almost exactly ......  go Industrial Heat / Godes, go !!!! ======================================== And meanwhile, Rossi will be building a one megawatt plant (steam, heat and electricity) that is a little bigger than your washing machine, which is on the SAME ORDER OF SIZE as a gas-pack AC/Furnace rig out behind your house right now. Yo, Reem and Lennox, where are you guys ?????    :D Yes, we gots of commercial and residential applications for a plant about half that size  ---  I gots me a concrete slab already sitting there waiting for it.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/19/16 at 13:18:48 http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54e38c6ce4b0b6d75a4175a7/54e3ca09e4b0af154d1539a3/54e3ca33e4b015ce3b5f81b7/1424215065920/ecat+MW1-USA+team+at+working.jpg?format=500w http://1zi1nw7qb8j26yrfx15kzsp4.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Modules-1MW-copy-454x605.jpg   TWO obsoleted techs developed in 2014 & 2015 .......

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/20/16 at 03:49:24 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/03/19/the-different-e-cat-approaches-of-leonardo-and-industrial-heat/ This is a write up of the "speed" diversion between Rossi and Industrial Heat.    Industrial Heat lives in the USA and sees pressure from APCO Worldwide and other "controlling organizations" to GO SLOWLY and let the monetary systems adjust for this new technology and NOT create any form of huge financial crisis over the LENR conversion process. Rossi admits knowing about the pressures Industrial Heat is under, that E-Cat will only move in the USA if it is TOTALLY INTEGRATED into existing power generation systems.   If done right under these lights the only one hurt initially is the COAL industry as Industrial Heat moves into replacing COAL as a power source.   This is OK as COAL needs to go as the number one producer of CO2 emissions ...... Then, once COAL is correctly handled, the rise of electric cars will slowly reduce the demand for gasoline and other oil products. Key word is SLOWLY -- markets must be given lots of time to adjust. Rossi will have some sort of new, post Quark technology developed and tested in Sweden to move into smaller and smaller items by then.  Separating himself from Industrial Heat is a necessary step in that process. I think Rossi goes back into personna non grata status in the USA scientific community during this separation from Industrial Heat. He has no credibility now, nor shall he ever have any unless he gets something done CORRECTLY and well by his new troika based in Sweden. The Swedes need their own North Shore oil to continue to flow as that is their major export item right now.   However, cheaply heating their homes and businesses is also something the Swedes need.   Britain has no oil industry to speak of, so disrupting oil hurts the brits the least of anybody. Just think of Industrial Heat as a quiet control mechanism for APCO Worldwide and the US Federal Reserve system and you won't be too far off the beam. Is Rossi disruptive?   Heck yes -- he invented three completely self-replacing technologies in 3-5 years and is working hard on a fourth.    If all four had been implemented some level of financial chaos would have ensued. Industrial Heat has the BIG KLUNKY long lasting LENR tech it needs to replace COAL by retrofitting existing COAL power plants -- Industrial Heat should be about testing it out in a pilot plant and doing it.     Coal can continue to fire the existing boiler systems while the new Industrial Heat team puts in the first LENR replacement boiler systems and tests them out.   Godes can be the head engineer of this retrofit effort as it has been his main dream (and Tom Darden's dream) all along. Industrial Heat has a major role yet to play in getting rid of COAL air pollution.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/20/16 at 04:46:58 COP as a measuring tool is going to become less and less important. Rossi has stuff running between 20 and 80 COP that was part of the 1 year long 1 megawatt  test just completed. Brillouin (Godes) maxed out at 4-6 COP on the stuff he had developed.   Rossi tech is better than Godes tech, in other words. Once you can generate electricity directly from a running cell, COP becomes meaningless as you could (but you would not actually loop your generated power back into your controllers, you would not hook it up this way for safety reasons) -- instead you will "balance sheet" your required input power against what you directly generated electrically while running the process to see if your LENR COP becomes "infinite".   If total kW directly generated while running the reactors exceeds the kW to get it started and to monitor/run it, then your COP is indeed infinite on that particular system once you get it up and running.    Packaged nickel powder plus the secret sauce additives becomes your major input cost item, along with replacement and/or upgraded electronics control packages. Rossi's old tech (licensed to IH) could be used to improve Godes tech (licensed to IH) and vice versa -- making up a very solid, long lasting BIG AND KLUNKY LENR replacement system for a coal fired power plant.    Industrial Heat can do this right now as they are the distributor for both systems in the Americas and in China. Industrial Heat employes Fabrio and about half the original Rossi Team now along with other budding LENR scientists .....  these guys do understand how to do it.   Got a state of the art materials lab in Florida to make bits and pieces for PRODUCTION LEVEL DURABILITY and a LARGE manufacturing site in Cary NC / RTP area.   Go boys go. Rossi's prototype E-Cat X / Quark line exists somewhere, the one he built all those E-Cat X prototypes on, testing them like popcorn at one point in time -- testing them all the way up to destruction just to see what they did when they popped. This same line can make E-Cat style reactor rods of any length, easy peasy. Industrial Heat needs them a freshly out of commission coal fired power plant to play with .......  they just decommissioned 200 coal plants just this past year, so a fresh one should not be hard to find.    Needs to have the large steam turbine generators still intact .......

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/25/16 at 11:28:08 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/03/25/rossi-leonardo-warship-ready-with-robotics-to-rapidly-produce-low-price-e-cats/ “Frank Acland March 25, 2016 at 7:18 AM Dear Andrea, You said recently that your problem is the multitude of your potential customers. I think this could be a major challenge, as when people realize what your E-Cats can do, the demand will be huge. You will essentially be starting from nothing, to where you need to be producing millions of units a year immediately to meet expectations. Can you realistically do it? Or should we be prepared for very long waiting lists for delivery of E-cat products? Best wishes, Frank Acland “Andrea Rossi March 25, 2016 at 9:21 AM Frank Acland: Leonardo Corporation is prepared and ready. The deliveries of all the robotized lines will be fast, Rossi added this phrase later [I already signed the MOU] the factory is already ready and I designed the E-Cat QuarkX in a way that will ease the manufacturing, because I have designed it together with the robot experts I am working with and the electronic engineers I am making with the prototypes. Leonardo Corporation is ready, do not worry. We will be very fast with the distribution, because we want to burn out ALL our possible competitors, whose only strategy I can see is hope to be ready to copy our products, pretending they will have invented them. They will be beaten in two fronts: patent violation and price: Leonardo Corporation will start immediately with very low prices, due to the massive production they will not be ready to do. I have pretty good intelligence about all what is happening around, what really is behind the chatters and there is nobody ready with any structure necessary to compete with us, let alone a product. Leonardo Corporation will have warships, they will have paper ships, made of the same substance of my paper ships I used to make and test in the fountain of the zoo of Milan ( Milano, Italy ) when I was 4 years old. Rossi added this sentence later: This having been said, I must add that there is also some competitor that is working very seriously and upon technology really different from ours: but they don’t talk, as I did until 2011. F8, F9. Warm Regards, A.R. Rossi is saying here that all the necessary preparations have been made. He has mentioned before that the robotics partner he has been working with is ABB Robotics who are one of the most advanced Robotics companies in the world with much experience in making fully automated manufacturing lines. He seems confident that the low-cost/rapid distribution strategy will make it impossible for him to be matched by competitors. I wonder if he sees the other companies that are being supported by Industrial Heat/Lux Energy as his main competitors. Next, if Rossi or Industrial Heat is now being supported by the US Air Force and NASA and the US Navy with TOP SECRET high priority clearance money, then perhaps it explains part of the current information gap and total silence that is going on right now.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/25/16 at 11:41:58 If government gets it, will that keep it from being developed and made available to the public? I know it's unfair to expect anyone to actually know, I'm just asking for your opinion.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/25/16 at 16:15:27 If the gov contracted with IH that does not enjoin Leonardo Corp out of Sweden / Britain. There is a certain amount of sense coming out of Rossi / IH / Woodford / Hydrofusion et al -- you cannot silence the whole lot of them. Production will tell the tale.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/27/16 at 06:44:27 This was in the normal news. Rockefeller Trust is divesting itself from all oil holdings Reason given was a "the heir's growing concern over global warming". What does this really mean? All of these oil stocks and any oil related funds or stocks are being manipulated to wind up in the general holdings of large corporate retirement funds all over America. This way when the stocks go to zero value "the people in general" will take the hit, not the fat cats. Rest easy that the delay that is being shoved on Industrial Heat and Rossi will likely end once the oil stocks are all moved around some so Joe Normal takes the hit in his retirement funds.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/27/16 at 06:49:07 How Do You Launch a Potentially World-Changing Energy Technology? Posted on March 27, 2016 by Frank Acland • 7 Comments It’s been over five years since Andrea Rossi first went public with his E-Cat. I don’t need to rehearse the twists and turns that have taken place since January 2011, when Rossi and Focardi held their first press conference in Bologna. In early 2011 Rossi was predicting that E-Cats would be on the market within a year, yet here we are, still waiting for the commercialization of LENR technology in a world filled with energy challenges. To me it is sounding more and more likely that sometime in 2016 the E-Cat will be ready to go on sale for people to use. But how do you launch such a product? However you do it, I don’t think it can be done painlessly, without upsetting someone or something. The fortunes of nations, businesses and individuals are tied in with energy production in one way or another. Even if you don’t work in the energy sector, billions of dollars of average people (maybe a good portion your retirement account) are invested in financial securities connected to the energy industry in some way. Here are some possible approaches. 1. You launch a publicity campaign and say in effect: “Here it is, here’s what it can do, who wants to buy it? If you don’t believe me, here’s a report that shows how the E-Cat acted over a 1 year period”. You put products on the market, take orders, and trust the marketplace to take care of the disruptions that might occur. 2. A more low-key approach. You release a report with data verified by a third party and let people study it out for themselves, and invite them to contact you privately if they want to explore the technology further. Commercial development is done quietly under NDA. 3. A gradual and controlled introduction of the technology. You do all you can to soften the blow for people who will be adversely affected by a disruptive energy technology. You do all you can to keep information off the front pages but build support in private, making alliances and getting buy-in from a broad base of people in industry and government. You try to anticipate negative societal change ahead of time, and launch the product gradually in selected markets so as to keep the disruption to a minimum. You give governments time to prepare to introduce laws and regulations on how and where, and for how much this technology should be used and taxed, and how it can be prevented from being used for destructive and criminal purposes, hoping for social stability and providing compensation for parties that might be adversely affected. 4. You don’t launch it. After analysis and consultations you forsee too many serious social problems being caused by such a radical technology and decide it’s for the greater good to keep it from being released — for the time being at least — and somehow bury it. I realized these are rather simplistic options — the real world is going to be much more complex than is outlined here, with lots of different variables to be taken into account. But the point here is that if the E-Cat works as Andrea Rossi claims, there has never been an energy product like it released into the world. It would be a truly revolutionary technology, and I can’t think of a precedent of how to deal with it. We might look at the launch of nuclear power, but that was rolled out by governments with strict supervision for safety purposes. The E-Cat is coming from the private sector, is vastly cheaper than nuclear fission, and the same safety concerns do not apply. There’s no rule book in place on how this is to be done, so if this happens, however it is done it will be breaking new ground, and it will be very interesting to see what happens.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/27/16 at 06:56:57 "A major university has replicated Rossi's work." This is a rather idiotic press release -- they are now selling a $300 kit to let junior high school students replicate Rossi's dogbone work.    I count 7 universities that have small active LENR Departments inside their schools of Engineering / Physics at this time and entire classrooms of students have set up the old Focardi stainless pot full of nickel powder with hydrogen gas feed 1.5 COP experiment at this time. What this is really?   It is the orchestrated gentle release of information that will allow society at large to digest this change without throwing people in a panic.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by old_rider on 03/27/16 at 13:40:30 Heheh... As a science teacher (if I was one), I would love to see the kids doing some experimenting with energy production and consumption ratios. But as a principle (if I was one), I would be totally, NO!  after reading that LENR stood for Low Energy "Nuclear" Reaction... even though Lattice Enabled Nanoscale Reaction would probably be a better advertising :D We need to get the kids in on this... we need bigger and better science programs for schools. The generation coming up now cannot even locate all the States on the map of the USA if you gave them a puzzle with the pieces shaped correctly! :-/

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/27/16 at 14:09:19 What people should be screaming about right now is "GET ALL THAT OIL OUT OF MY RETIREMENT PLAN !!!!!"

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/02/16 at 13:42:27 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/04/02/saudi-arabia-prepares-for-post-oil-era-with-2-trillon-public-investment-fund/ Saudi Arabia Prepares for Post-Oil Era with $2 Trillon Public Investment Fund Posted on April 2, 2016 by Frank Acland There have been a number of readers here who have commented on the news story about Saudi Arabia launching a $2 trillion investment fund to help the country prepare for a post-oil era. I thought I’d start a new thread on the subject. Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman told John Mickelthwait of Bloomberg News in a 5-hour interview that the country was preparing an investment fund that would help to transform the state-owned Aramco oil company into an ‘industrial conglomerate’. Shares in the fund would be publicly traded with an IPO planned as early as next year. The fund will become the largest sovereign wealth investment fund on earth with the capability of buying stakes in companies worldwide. The plan is to diversify into other fields and use the return on investments to fund government operations. The reason for this transformation of Aramco is based on collapse of oil revenues, upon which Saudi Arabia has relied for so many decades. The country is undergoing a vast belt-tightening process with generous subsidies for gasoline and electricity being cut and wasteful spending being cut out the state budgets. Mickelthwait says the crown prince has an obsession on moving the Saudi economy away from oil to something new. When asked about the level of desperation in the company regarding the collapse of oil wealth, Mickelthwait said the Saudis want to expand their role in the energy markets by becoming the world’s biggest refiner of oil and become a huge industrial energy company — as well as expanding into other fields such as mining and petrochemicals. Are the Saudis aware of the possible implications of LENR hitting the marketplace? There’s nothing that has been reported publicly about this, so we can’t say for certain. We do know that Industrial Heat has the license to sell and possibly manufacture E-Cats in Saudi Arabia and the Emirates — so it would not be surprising at all if they had already started laying the groundwork for commercialization of LENR there. You might wake up to find MASSES of Saudi money behind the very rapid deployment of LENR with Industrial Heat being the connection man.    The Saudis are going to sell every drop of oil that they can absolutely as fast as they can, and invest ALL the profits in the various replacement technologies.   They want to remain rich going out into the future.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/03/16 at 09:54:52 http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2013/02/22/nasa-a-nuclear-reactor-to-replace-your-water-heater/#271d5b483ba3 Forbes is reporting it as serious news .......   and quoting NASA as their information source. Yep, the silence is slowly lifting and the masses are being prepared for something ....... Spin and outlook on this Forbes article are very upbeat and positive.    Amazingly so.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 04/03/16 at 10:30:52 the article is dated Feb 22, 2013 “There are estimates using just the performance of some of the devices under study that 1 percent of the nickel mined on the planet each year could produce the world’s energy requirements at the order of 25 percent the cost of coal,” according to Dennis Bushnell, the chief scientist at Langley. which doesn't even touch the pollution costs.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/16 at 19:31:37 Report is out on now on the one year test of the one megawatt plant.  COP is between 6 and 50 according to the impartial expert Observer. Industrial heat has not paid Rossi the 58 million for the successful test completion according to their agreement. Rossi is now suing industrial Heat for breach of contract and saying they have no rights to E-Cat and E-Cat X at all due to breach of contract.   They didn't pay him the 58 million, then they got bupkiss for IP according to Rossi's lawsuit. Industrial Heat is filing their own patents on their own "LENR power process", anyway. Rossi has dumped IH at this point in time, and will share no future IP with them.  IH will release some combined tech products off of old techs they do hold rights on, if they can make it work that is.    Industrial Heat does employ half of Rossi's old team at this point in time, so big kludgy Industrial Heat LENR plants will be built and installed. Rossi however can make his both his old and his new stuff work.   Rossi is the only one that geeks the "secret sauce" completely.   Industrial Heat understands old E-Cat pretty well so they can run those sorts of plants pretty well, but Rossi kept some of the E-Cat X process under his hat so to speak, so Industrial Heat has some key information simply not there in their patent applications.   Same is true about Rossi's stuff as the secret sauce remains a secret. Rossi also invents and patents brand new tech every six months or so. He who builds and sells the first working LENR commercial products will count, I think, for who owns what ideas. Rossi and Leonardo own E-Cat and E-Cat X,  but IH has distribution rights in  North/South America and China for Rossi's E-Cat products once some real products are produced and built  by Leonardo Corp. Edison and Tesla, all over again ..... ::)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/08/16 at 03:11:26 More details are leaking out of the Rossi / Industrial Heat mess.   Industrial Heat collected 50 million from Woodford and 110 million from the Chinese for something they now say doesn't work at all.   Something that due diligence from some smart people said at the time was working just fine. They say this not because Rossi can't do it, but because Brillouin and Industrial Heat can't rip the tech off and do it themselves in secret, and they can't file their own "new patents" on their own "new system" because Brillouin and other IH people can't make it work reliably. Facts coming out say Rossi told them how to do it, their IH people worked side by side with Rossi and built over 40 reactors together that did work, and we have a finalized report that says 6-50 COP was achieved and now IH is saying it never worked and they owe Rossi no money accordingly. Somebody is lying out the ass and it currently smells like at least one of these people is Industrial Heat. Industrial Heat is accused of transferring Rossi's IP over to Brillouin and to others in an attempt to create alternate patentable pathways to LENR. There is an IP struggle going on and people jest don't fight over stuff to the tune of 10's of millions that doesn't work.   It sorta seems that it works Your camps are now: Industrial Heat/Brillouin (Godes) BrilliantLight (Mills) Leonardo (Rossi)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/08/16 at 17:06:44 Industrial Heat wants Rossi to go skitter away into the dark now,  Cherokee has taken back all the IH assets leaving an empty shell company for Leonardo to sue.   There are several late investors who put a lot of money into Industrial Heat that now very much want to see their money back ASAP since IH admits they have NOTHING THAT YOU PROMISED US LONG TERM to get them to give IH that money.   But, since Rossi wasn't it, we now trust our Pantanelli and our Brillouin and our Mills to deliver on our LENR promises to you. Industrial Heat sprang suddenly into existence, and it can fold up just as quickly if the upcoming court cases don't go its way ....... Brillouin is known to have been "illegally" given the benefits of Rossi's IP & technology but seems to be unable to blend it with their home grown Brillouin tech as Rossi was always a "fixed charge" system and Brillouin was always set up as a gas pulse agitated and slowly replaced tube of mobile powder.   Brillouin is maxing out at 6-10 COP even using whatever they can of Rossi's tech.   Mind you, it is enough to make them viable as a coal plant retrofit system ---- so this outcome maybe does have some benefit to society. Mills is making more progress on his arc blast system but his COP is still very low.   Mills may contribute a trick or two, but he isn't likely a major player. Rossi is gone now.   The Industrial Heat boys have what they have and they will develop whatever they can out of it.   Some info is coming out that IH got paid 110 to 200 million by the Chinese for passing over Rossi's tech to the Chinese.   If this is so, the Chinese will work it and build something out of it.   The Chinese are good at that --- China will assign 1,000 engineers full time to work out the bugs very quickly AS CHINA NEEDS CLEAN NON-POLLUTING ENERGY VERY VERY BADLY.   As does India, BTW.   Both will steal the missing bits of secret sauce IP from each other, Brillouin or IH and both countries will start crash programs ASAP.   Products will be built, soon. Rossi will move to Sweden or Britain and ride his new X-Cat over there for a bit.    His next newly developed tech will be more carefully guarded and developed solely by Leonard Corporation for its own use and perhaps given to Hydrofusion and a few of the others to distribute as well.   But, since Rossi's main effect is already known to all the players now, he is just working on refinements.   Lots of folks can do those same sorts of refinements, too, you know. HOWEVER, the cat is out of the bag now and the cat is very real and people do want a kitty of their very own now. Lawyers will get rich as patents exist that are being violated as we speak ......

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/08/16 at 17:28:18 I have a litter box. I can provide a nice home.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/09/16 at 04:48:49 We all eagerly await developments from the Chinese, who will figure the rest of it out or steal it using good old basic espionage just like the Russians taught them to do. Compare and contrast the search for hot fusion vs cold fusion now --- which one has more players drastically interested now.   The USA is paying Billions in hot fusion research and getting ABSOLUTELY nothing out of it.   The Chinese spend just  ~ $200 million~  and get cold fusion tech handed to them.   Is this even legal? NASA and DARPA both have an oar in this water -- they know a lot about this stuff and I don't think they appreciate it being sold to the Chinese.   Why aren't they being forthcoming?  I am sure they would want the Chinese to have to steal it just like they did all the rest of our nuclear and space technologies. And yes, this LENR technology is being intentionally slowed down by the politicos in charge as LENR is EXTREMELY DISRUPTIVE to the USA economy -- if it was turned on tomorrow the oil industry would flip the whole entire USA economy into a tailspin as it choked and died ---- taking  ~30%~ of our jobs down with it.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/10/16 at 05:13:18 http://energycatalyzer3.com/rossi/is-piantelli-close-to-commercializing-technology http://energycatalyzer3.com/files/2016/01/niche.jpg Pantanelli is now also part of the Industrial Heat "we will fund you in exchange for distribution rights and IP rights to your future work" cartel, adding their knowledge base to the pot.   Please note:  this is the same historical knowledge basis that Rossi used originally as Focardi was the grand daddy of all of this nickel based stuff and taught it to both Rossi and to Pantanelli. Looks like IH has funded lots of LENR alternatives with the seed money to go to the next level. Rossi is gone now from the IH fold ..... and he may not be missed a whole lot since his tech is now being patented by LOTS of other people under the IH umbrella (who are showing lots of prior art and pre-stages to make it all very believable to a jury). Rossi is so screwed ..... by IH and all its little fingers.   Panetelli's work looks so very very much the same as Rossi's early work. ======================================== New Pantanelli European Patent Granted Link is here: http://www.google.com/patents/EP2754156A2?cl=en Here are the main claims: 1. A method for generating energy by nuclear reactions between hydrogen (31 ) and a transition metal, said method comprising the steps of: – prearranging (1 10) a primary material (19) that comprises said transition metal; bringing and keeping said hydrogen (31 ) into/in contact with said primary material (19); heating (130) said primary material (19) up to an initial temperature (Ti) higher than a predetermined critical temperature; producing an impulse (140) in said primary material (19), in order to cause a generation of H” ions (35) starting from said hydrogen (31 ), and to cause capture reactions (150, 151 ) of said H” ions (35) by said primary material (19) thus causing a generation of a thermal energy (q); What does this mean?   IH has done the same thing they did with Rossi -- get him to write a patent that they have a finger in --  which gives them a tool to use against Rossi and any others since Pantanelli has "originated" his patent to be earlier than Rossi's already grantede patent.    Before, Pantanelli could not show excess heat for much, but using transferred Rossi tech now he can show excess heat.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/16/16 at 04:41:53 Rossi has an order from the trial site customer for 3 additional 1 megawatt steam plants, bringing the total for that first user up to 4 of the 1 megawatt steam plants. It sorta seems that it really works and the first customer is pretty happy with it.   Installations will be in England. Rossi estimates it will take him 6 months to fill the order as the rapid assembly line is not set up at this time. Rossi / Leonardo is in motion at this time. This sounds stupid, but all the fuss means Rossi can ramp up manufacturing at a pace he can handle, while being funded by his first customer's sales. It also means a whole new set of learning experiences and data and improvements can be collected to be integrated into the "full manufacturing" product when the full assembly line is set up. The future may not belong solely to Rossi, however, since his starting point knowledge has been disseminated widely by Darden and Industrial Heat.   Once it has been combined into all the other different approaches, it will be difficult to get it back out again -- and eventually somebody is going to do it BETTER than Rossi, eventually.   Remember, Rossi is an inventor, not a businessman -- he desperately needs a business partner that he can trust.   If Rossi cannot find his Westinghouse, then his now stolen ideas will never move him forward into the sort of future he wants to be part of. ;)      Rossi has a 1-2 year lead on the rest of the pack, but that gets shrunk by IH sharing his IP with them to a lead of a year or less ......

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/16/16 at 08:11:38 I just wish I knew how to let this be the equipment of the little investment in Microsoft or Wal-Mart , that ten years later was 100 fold bigger.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/16/16 at 09:24:18 When these companies go public, then you can go invest in them.   Right now they are all Venture Capital (ie very high risk) and are not traded publicly.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/21/16 at 03:11:25 http://energycatalyzer3.com/files/2016/01/niche.jpg What is Industrial Heat up to now? http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/04/21/are-we-in-the-early-stage-of-lenr-patent-farming-doug-marker/ Are We in the Early Stage of LENR ‘Patent Farming’? (Doug Marker) Posted on April 21, 2016 by Frank Acland What it seems is happening in LENR land is that Industrial Heat are laying their foundation to dominate the LENR world by locking up all and any LENR based patents they can get control of. They have the war chest (the 89$ million they were supposed to pay to Andrea Rossi). Also, while there are ‘vested interests’ doing their best to deride LENR (and Andrea Rossi), the buying price for any and all patents remains comparatively low. The benefit in buying up any and all patents is that when you have enough of them you are in an extraordinarily powerful position to threaten anyone new into the field by claiming they have violated some aspect of one of your massive portfolio of patents. I fear we are probably in the early phase of such a power grab and IH are the current front runners in the charge. I think that Industrial Heat, using the now granted European Pantanelli patents is going to try to tie Rossi up in Europe and in Sweden / Norway.  This is a patent battle now, and I think Industrial Heat has got most of them patents under their thumb right now.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/22/16 at 03:32:29 OK, quick synopsis of the Rossi Wars ...... Rossi has left the IH fold very angry that Industrial Heat spread his confidential IP far and wide without his consent nor a penny being put into his pocket (beyond the initial 11 million that is). Meanwhile, IH has employed the BEST PR outfit in the world and the BEST legal service in the world and APCO is doing the job that they are paid to do, which is to sideswipe Rossi and whomever else needs to be sideswiped to protect Industrial Heat, their customer. Matts Lewan has run for the hedges at the very first salvo of career wrecking APCO BS that got sent his way.   The folks at the E-Cat World website are simply tracking and recording every PR blast that is sent their way, since they are independent and neutral they feel that they can simply ride the top of the shite storm and let it roll on unimpeded beneath their keel. SERIOUS MONEY is being spent to discredit Rossi right now and if I were him I would be moving where I sleep every night to keep the cardiac arrest injection boys away. The Flip Side Report  =  Rossi is self-delusional, a harmless crank and amusing,  but please don't give him any money ...... Flip side support facts, nobody can get LENR to work at will, and this INCLUDES Rossi ..... PR and counter PR is flying hot and fast right now and Rossi is taking a lot of hits, skillfully aimed .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/01/16 at 14:30:49 However, there are certain independent companies that have been "in the know" for a long time now, one of them is ABB the robotics company (located in Sweden and Britain) which is the company that set up Rossi's prototype line for his E-CatX experiments (this was done while working for Rossi directly under his Leonardo NDA). Because they were involved all along, it is suspected that ABB and / or Hydrofusion may be the new potential investor as they already have a knowledge base to work their LENR understanding from. So the brand new QuarkX is undergoing a formal test series in JUNE and JULY, and since ABB was around for the 1 megawatt test they can include what knowledge they need from that test to judge the performance of the QuarkX. This time around Rossi designed for pure robotic assembly and reduced complexity of monitoring and programming.   Using new materials Rossi also took a shot at "melt proofing" the QuarkX by making it self-limiting on the top end of things.   "Melt proofing" reduces the programming complexity to an amazing degree, you know.   So what if it runs away, let it get really really HOT, that superheated steam is the good stuff you know. These assumptions will be tested by the new investor in a manner consistent with their requirements, which apparently includes data collection for an industrial certification process in their country of origin. Development style first prototypes will be tested first .... this is understood going in.   Design Refinements are expected, as well as more subsequent test runs.   Being robotically assembled, the required design changes and any new samples can be created quite quickly. IH is gnashing their teeth right about now -- they blew it and they know that for certain right about now.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/01/16 at 14:46:09 What I've gathered from your posts is They screwed Rossi. If that's correct, then I hope they go broke or, better yet, Rossi gets in a position to buy them, then destroys the people who screwed him.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/01/16 at 15:02:27 I am not naive, Rossi is not totally clean fingered in this as I am sure IH thought they had possession/ownership of some real IP and assumed they could transfer it to others in their little group whether Rossi was good with that or not.   Industrial Heat was all "Charles in charge" inside their own little minds. Think of it as a big staged Rossi "confidence test" concerning IH's keeping Rossi's secrets secret and IH failed that test miserably.     Industrial Heat dispersed what they were given as it was enough to make them think they had the secret sauce, but indeed it was missing an ingredient or two and wouldn't work when IH tried to run and patent it as their very own IP.   Likely also had some bogus extra ingredients as well ..... Rossi is nothing but thorough you know. Let the court case run its course, some extra details will come out during the process I am sure.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/01/16 at 16:29:34 Each separate QuarkX resembles a pencil in length and thick.   They are likely square, instead of round, but I have round symbols below for convenience. Set up 5 vertical magazines of unconnected QuarkX's coming down the magazine under spring finger retention, being driven one pencil width per staging click -- being driven from the top of each magazine stack (driven separately) dropping free of the spring fingers at the bottom of the reactor after many progressive single width pushes. 00000 00000 00000 00000      mouse activation zone 00000 00000 00000 00000      mouse activation zone Set up your rig to energize the red one as the Mouse to run all the rest as passive CATs.   Sense burn out on each stack with temperature sensors aimed at the bottom most rod and progress each stack individually one click as the rod on the bottom gets relatively cold (used up).   Obviously, the Mouse vertical stack will progress to burn out quicker, but that's ok as it still gets used up completely. Let'em get as hot as they want to since they can't melt down any more.   Lots & lots of heavy duty heat,  doing it this way a 1 megawatt plant might be quite small, you know.   Use of a nuclear heat transfer fluid system instead of direct steam generation will likely be used on larger plants. but auto sized stuff will use direct steam generation to save size and weight. There will be some waste involved, but Rossi understands that running a reactor to the bitter end takes full time expertise tweaking it and this method does not. Feeding all the drop free units back through the center Mouse stack would allow each little bit of stuff to get used up as the Mouse unit is monitored by feedback electronics and can have several different "excitement" program stages to maximize the total use up of that central stack. Plus, you could have you some bigger pencils for a heavier duty plant, you know ..... This system allows you to go simple and cheap (manual replacement as needed) or complex and automatic as your needs dictate. The on-off characteristics and electrical production amounts need to be released before folks can let their fancy run free on potential uses ...... I can see a Quark motorcycle would fit the size envelope pretty well ....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/03/16 at 02:50:58 Net result of the Rossi/IH drama has been a massive increase in the number of groups coming out of the closet now, and they are talking about their individual progress to date. Big Business is in there now, since they are pretty much sure LENR works and everyone is looking for the secret sauce, big time.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/03/16 at 13:19:02 Rumor has it that Brillouin/IH is supplying several Rossi style steam plants to customers under NDA agreements -- if so this is a blatant attempt to cash into Rossi's IP while they still have it available to copy. It would also write "lied" to the assertion they could not "substantiate" the first 1 megawatt plant. Watch Brillouin's new patents -- they are suddenly coming off the hydrogen gas augmented / agitated stuff they patented themselves and are writing patents now for Rossi style hot cat type stuff using lithium compounds.    This smells pretty bogus to me.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/09/16 at 03:41:36 Rossi is heading towards two demos, one private (for his investors) and one public after his new investors commit to a roll out plan. APCO is hitting Rossi hard, using paid disinformation sourced from new posters on all venues. APCO "disinformation workers" are being outed by the LENR crew using wording analysis and the dumbshite stuff like the APCO people posting the exact same stuff on multiple sites. APCO workers are being banned from the sites now, as soon as they are discovered.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/09/16 at 11:25:07 Surely you aren't suggesting that there is a conspiracy against him..

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/09/16 at 12:46:58 No, I am saying that APCO was hired by IH to 'Manage" the PR downsides associated with Rossi & LENR and with Industrial Heat and Cherokee. To say that APCO is a dirty pool playing political gut busting PR company is like saying they are the sort of folks the Clinton's would hire to fix their messes.   Hey, that's right, the Clintons did hire APCO repeatedly in the past to fix the messes they made in Arkansas and in Washington DC.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/09/16 at 13:12:48 So, one creephires another creep to smear a good guy.. If the Clintons hired them, they're the best of the worst. How would you feel, waking up every day, Knowing that the truth exposes you as a complete, all haired up and stinking, not a very nice person and without hiring someone to paint a different picture of you, everyone will know exactly what an not a very nice person you are? So, you hire someone who can paint your portrait to be acceptable and smear some of the dingleberries of your life onto the person you screwed,,, Teamwork to accomplish evil is Conspiracy. Whether legal or not.. there's no other, morally accurate definition. YMMV. not very nice person = a55hole The site censor fixed my typing

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Art Webb on 05/10/16 at 06:43:44 probably wouldn't have corrected 'ahole' but I like the site censor, any time I type things that might get me in trouble because I'm worked up n not thinking, it fixes it for me, avoiding the ban-hammer  :-X besides, I get a giggle every time someone posts about the pet thingy (doesn't change it if you type petcock)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/11/16 at 02:24:34 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/05/11/us-secretary-of-defense-directed-to-provide-a-briefing-on-lenr-to-the-us-house-armed-services-committee/ Spy vs Spy is now very active concerning LENR.   Rossi is in danger now of getting snatched by CIA/Military or other countries military assets and put somewhere safe to continue his development work strictly for US (or other) military uses.   He needs bodyguards and a good secret location right now. This is an excerpt from a report on the 2017 National Defense Authorization Act of the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Armed Services which discusses LENR. Here’s the text: "The committee is aware of recent positive developments in developing low-energy nuclear reactions (LENR), which produce ultra- clean, low-cost renewable energy that have strong national security implications. For example, according to the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), if LENR works it will be a ‘‘disruptive technology that could revolutionize energy production and storage.’’ The committee is also aware of the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency’s (DARPA) findings that other countries including China and India are moving forward with LENR programs of their own and that Japan has actually created its own investment fund to promote such technology. DIA has also assessed that Japan and Italy are leaders in the field and that Russia, China, Israel, and India are now devoting significant resources to LENR development. To better understand the national security implications of these developments, the committee directs the Secretary of Defense to provide a briefing on the military utility of recent U.S. industrial base LENR advancements to the House Committee on Armed Services by September 22, 2016. This briefing should examine the current state of research in the United States, how that compares to work being done internationally, and an assessment of the type of military applications where this technology could potentially be useful." So LENR is getting an official mention here, and this committee is “directing” the Secretary of Defense to prepare a full briefing to the committee of the current status of LENR in the United States. It will be very interesting to read this report. It should certainly mention the work of Andrea Rossi, and it’s possible by that time that the ERV report will have been released, and the E-Cat QuarkX will have been demonstrated. Probably lots of the work we have been following with other researchers the replications that we have been following will also be brought up. Having the US Defense department and Armed Services committee discussing LENR in terms of national security implications is going to be interesting. If they are seeing India, China and Japan getting involved in LENR research programs could be a motivation for the US to follow suit. Please note that the committee is aware of Japanese, Italian, Russian, Indian and Israeli top secret crash programs on LENR.   Duh, Dude -- and IH sold the Chinese what they know for 100 million bucks so go throw their asses in Guantanamo for their traitorous bullshite.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/14/16 at 07:36:11 http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a20874/us-house-cold-fusion/ Read it.    Congress is demanding a declassification of the USA/DARPA/NAVY/NASA secrecy bullshite and a very blunt statement of where we are on this critical technology.   Nobody is doubting it is real, and Congress is tired of all the misdirection BS that Industrial Heat is pushing while trying to sell in more and more 1 megawatt plants built by IH using Rossi tech (while they still have access to it). IH is also frantically trying to get the military to seize Rossi's IP under secrecy wraps  so IH can get to continue using it after the civil court case settles out -- as more and more info comes out IH is looking weaker and weaker on the IP rights thing since they failed to pay Rossi the 89 million and they ARE obviously guilty of passing Rossi's IP along to Brillouin, Pantanelli and to the Chinese in direct violation of the Rossi original $10 million agreement that they did actually pay. Having violated the 10 million agreement and never paying the 89 million, IH is simply screwed to the wall for any future access to Rossi's IP --- unless they can crank up some sort of military deal that puts the military firmly on their side using the military's ability to declare Rossi's IP a USA military secret and take direct control of it.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/14/16 at 09:43:11 https://thenewfire.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/lenr_ecat_fog.pdf Just look at all this crap that has been set up -- all over a technology that isn't even "substantiated" yet.     And I certainly did not know that Industrial Heat / Cherokee had just been quietly bought up by a huge European/pan American conglomerate either ...... Ya think LENR might jest work as stated ?????   And that Rossi may indeed jest have gotten him a brand new HUGE SUPER DUPER OVERSIZED sugar daddy that has bought up IH as an afterthought just to keep Rossi happy?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/14/16 at 10:12:24 524D4B4C51566757675F4D410A380 wrote: What I've gathered from your posts is They screwed Rossi. If that's correct, then I hope they go broke or, better yet, Rossi gets in a position to buy them, then destroys the people who screwed him. Well, if I can't whip some jerks butt, it's always nice knowing that I have a big, strong, friend who just can't stand to see me mistreated. I hope them what screwed him over get sued and the cost of litigation and damages awarded bankrupts them.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/14/16 at 10:39:07 If both Rossi and IH are both owned by Super Sugar Daddy now then all the lawsuits will be dropped ASAP.   If not, then not. Congress's questions become even more pertinent since the big players are now throwing down the multiple tens of Billions instead of tens of millions.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/14/16 at 10:56:07 IH may well get a reprieve, your position is logical, but the People who were in charge of the decision making may not get off so light. The courts may not be involved, but for Rossi to be expected to work with the very people who shafted him is a bit much to expect of him. FAIK, those people are majority stock holders, well, Were, and will soon be clearing out desks, with their copies of the No compete agreements in their pockets. I have no heart for the jerks. Someone posted a thread about morality and business. Maybe they aren't guilty of breaking a law, I don't know, but based on what I have come to understand in this thread, they are certainly guilty of being creeps to do business with. I wish them all the worst.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by thumperclone on 05/14/16 at 14:12:54 morality in business is a oximoron

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/14/16 at 15:31:35 If big business thinks IH has something worth developing big time that ISN'T DEPENDENT on Rossi's IP, then they should go for it. I think with industrial espionage being what it is that nothing that Rossi has to keep outside of his own skull is actually safe from being ripped off from now going forward.   I think LENR in general is going to start to march on forward at a pace much faster than any individual team is going to be able to support by themselves.   We know there are 3-4 different ways to skin this Cat right now and even more will be figured out going forward. Oil as a future commodity is tanking fast.   When the Sauds start fire sales on family oil fields just to get rid of them ASAP before they become valueless then that says something pretty drastic is headed this way.   The Black Swan is on the wing ..... You got Industrial Heat, Brillouin and Pantanelli (using Rossi IP) now doing tests and trying to take orders on COP = 6 industrial set ups.   Yank the lithium booster out of them legally by refusing their use of the Rossi IP and who in the world would be dumb enough to sign with them pending them getting a real binding license agreement out of Rossi?   IH is just selling wooden nickels at this point in time ......  in essence getting paid under the table to STALL STALL STALL while the financial fat cats struggle to get out of oil.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/16/16 at 12:39:32 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/05/16/mat-lewan-meets-rossi-in-sweden-rossi-bidding-on-factory-for-quarkx-production/ https://animpossibleinvention.com/2016/05/16/rossi-makes-offer-on-swedish-factory-building-plus-more-updates/ http://https://animpossibleinvention.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/screen-shot-2016-05-16-at-15-04-35.png?w=300&h=277 This is a huge move forward in explaining the whole IH mess.   Industrial Heat never intended to pay the full 89 million, they didn't even have the dollars to pay them out.  They just wanted to flip Rossi's IP for a quick buck then claim it didn't work for them, so we aren't paying Rossi the money we don't have anyway.   This is the same thing Cherokee has done in the past to other new tech inventors, sell the hell out of the new idea, collect a lot of investment dollars, disperse the IP for some large dollars to various interested parties then disappear the money and then claim the IP turns out not to work, not our fault.   Even the overnight creation of Industrial Heat as a "readily disposable, easily bankrupted cut-out company" falls in line with Cherokee's past documented dirty dealings.   Truly, the venture capital world is not a nice world to deal in at all .......  but Rossi went in with his eyes open and he was definitely documenting all the details as they occurred under the careful direction of his lawyers.  Some of Rossi's counter-moves were equally sharp and cutting, so you can say the game was being played by both sides. This article also refers to Rossi buying a Swedish plant site (with Hydrofusion's help) that has lots of space to develop his ABB automated production lines. Read, just read.    Also note that Rossi does look really really old now after his one year in the containers.    He has stopped dying his hair now and he has no tan for much of anything at all, but he still looks plenty mentally sharp.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/20/16 at 02:32:07 Rossi has filed a new set additions to the US and International patents that delineate his E-Cat methodology fairly precisely -- he is intending to keep his copy cats from using his reactor layout and methodology without paying him royalties. http://coldfusionnow.org/analysis-of-new-rossi-pct-filing-based-on-us-patent-9115913-issued-25aug15/ Glance at it to note how much detail is now exposed in these new patent "additions" filings. It contains lots of new "gut deep" details of the layered steel Rossi methodology but it does not contain any of the special sauce sort of ingredients details (which are still held as proprietary secrets, the keeping of which are acknowledged by the European Patent offices as "proper patent filing methods".)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/29/16 at 15:33:38 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/05/29/rossi-1-week-e-cat-quarkx-test-to-start-at-end-of-may-with-potential-cutomerpartner/ Tomorrow Rossi starts a one week long test of the E-Cat Quark for his new consortium of investors in Sweden.   More information will be announced after a confirmed completion of this one week long private demonstration. Rossi has said in the recent past that he would do some form of a public demo soon if the private demo correctly resulted in new funding with which to build his new robotic assembly line factory.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/29/16 at 15:48:59 I wish him well.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/30/16 at 07:02:15 Justin will like this one ..... they caught out "Frank" as the joint screen name of an APCO disinformation team.   Did "him" up roasted a golden brown, they did.     This makes Fred Zoepfl, Mary Yugo, Kivret, Jeb and Frank as known APCO/I.H. disinformation mouthpieces. http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/and-now-lets-have-a-closer-look-at-a-real-apco-astroturfing-professional/

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/30/16 at 10:21:12 ABB Robotics --- a single arm of a 125 year old European conglomerate style company that has specialized in energy generation since the Westinghouse vs GE IP war days.  Just lately branching out into automation, but always there in power generation all along. ABB can supply fully programmed robotic assembly lines, product distribution and power systems refit and full power plant integration when working along with Hydrofusion and Leonardo Corp. Rossi is better off with ABB and Hydrofusion as his "realitization partners" since they are well respected, quite large and quite separate from any IH entangled areas.     And not under the USA military complex's control -- very much not under the USA's "good buddy" control.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/02/16 at 16:24:09 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/06/02/leonardo-corporation-issues-press-release-announcing-termination-of-industrial-heat-license/ INDUSTRIAL HEAT LOSES LICENSE FOR ROSSI’S “E-CAT” Leonardo Corporation announced today, June 2, 2016, that it has terminated the license granted to Industrial Heat, LLC. for the Energy Catalyzer (“E-Cat”) technology. Effective immediately, Leonardo Corporation has the sole and exclusive right to the E- Cat intellectual property in all territories previously licensed to Industrial Heat, LLC. According to Leonardo Corporation, the decision to terminate Industrial Heat, LLC.’s license follows Industrial Heat, LLC.’s failure to pay the agreed upon licensing fee. The license previously granted to Industrial Heat, LLC gave the company the exclusive rights to use the E-Cat intellectual property in the geographic territories of North America, Central America, South America, the Caribbean, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and the Arabian Emirates. In an effort to avoid any delay in making the E-Cat units commercially available in the above territories, Leonardo Corporation will be working diligently with its strategic partners to develop a new manufacturing and distribution strategy for those territories. For those customers located in these territories, all future inquiries regarding the E-Cat should be directed to Leonardo Corporation directly through its website. As a result of its terminating Industrial Heat, LLC’s license, Leonardo Corporation has also demanded that Industrial Heat, LLC immediately assign all patents and patent applications based upon the E-Cat intellectual property to Leonardo Corporation, or abandon these applications in all jurisdictions. Additional information is available at www.ecat.com. Contact: Leonardo’s attorney John Annesser, Esq. JWA@silverlawgroup.com SOURCE: Leonardo Corporation Andrea Rossi made this comment on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: Andrea Rossi June 2, 2016 at 4:30 PM William: Thank you for this important link with the press release issued today from my attorney John Annesser, Esq. We made this move to make clear a thing about which there has been a lot of confusion, because IH continues to make patent applications with my technology, using without my authorization my name as the inventor and the name of Industrial Heat as the assignee. It must be clear and sound that Leonardo Corporation has terminated the license granted to Industrial Heat LLC in all the following Territories: North America, Central America, South America, the Caribbean, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and the Emirates. This press release of our Attorney is clear and straight to the point. Warm Regards, A.R. Two things seemed to have happened today, one was a suspected good conclusion to Rossi's one week E-Cat X trial and the other was the de-licensing Industrial Heat in order to clear the decks for Rossi's next larger deal with his new licensees. The Quark x seems to move along now independently and cleanly into the focus of things, with Industrial Heat losing all rights to selling anything with the revocation of their old IP license to the old E-Cat tech on grounds of non-payment.   There may be a court fuss from I.H. and Woodford over losing rights to this old tech, but it clarifies the separation between E-Cat and QuarkX very clearly.   I.H. and Woodford never had any stake in Quark X ever, and only had sales rights to the 3-6 COP E-Cat as granted by the original agreement anyway.   The 50 COP results of the year long test were COMPLETELY DENIED by IH, so with I.H.'s complete denial of the test results and their refusal to meet contractual obligations, that goes away too. This however does not stop I.H.'s little fingers from making whatever they can and trying to sell it using the 3-6 COP IP pending the final conclusion of the court case.   However, their customers would be well advised to consider if Rossi's stolen IP is an integral part of those products, since Brillouin never used lithium in his designs until I.H. illegally shared Rossi's IP with Brillouin. ;)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/02/16 at 17:26:40   Once Rossi and his consortium begin to produce and sell QuarkX cartridges, then the world of energy savings suddenly begins to open up.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/02/16 at 17:31:38 A single Quark does not last very long compared to the one year 1 megawatt units that did last an entire year.   Some clever system of moving the individual Quarks around must be designed and tested for larger heat production plants. Quark burns very brightly though -- at rates and heats that could melt down most of the steels and some of the ceramics very very quickly. Once again, a clever replacement system of the little Quark units will be needed.   Each separate QuarkX resembles a cigarette or a pencil in length and thick.   They are perhaps square, instead of round, but I have used round symbols below for convenience. Set up 5 vertical magazines of unconnected QuarkX's coming down the magazine under spring finger retention, being driven one pencil width per staging click -- being driven from the top of each magazine stack (driven separately) dropping free of the spring fingers at the bottom of the reactor after many progressive single width pushes. Each separate QuarkX resembles a pencil in length and thick.   The ones that are driven (or the ones used to collect electricity) will have contact touch caps on the end, sorta like an old style fuse cartridge.  Since commonality is nice, they all may be the same exact unit. They may be square, instead of round, but I have round symbols below for convenience. Set up 5 vertical magazines of unconnected QuarkX's coming down the magazine under spring finger retention, being driven one pencil width per staging click -- being driven from the top of each magazine stack (driven separately) dropping free of the spring fingers at the bottom of the reactor after many progressive single width pushes. 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000      mouse activation zone 00000 00000 00000 00000      mouse activation zone Set up your rig to energize the red one as the Mouse to run all the rest as passive CATs.   Collect electricity from the rows and levels inside the excitation zone.  Sense burn out on each stack with temperature sensors aimed at the bottom most QuarkX and progress each stack individually one click as the QuarkX on the bottom gets relatively cold (used up).   Obviously, the Mouse vertical stack will progress to burn out quicker than the rest, but that's ok as it still gets used up completely. Let'em get as hot as they want to since they can't melt down any more.   Lots & lots of heavy duty heat,  doing it this way a 1 megawatt plant might be quite small, you know.   Use of a nuclear heat transfer fluid system instead of direct steam generation will likely be used on larger plants. but auto sized stuff will likely still use direct steam generation to save size and weight. There will be some waste involved, but Rossi understands that running a reactor to the bitter end takes full time expertise tweaking it and this method does not. You could "use them up totally" by feeding all the drop free units back through the one of the side Mouse stacks.  This would allow each little bit of stuff to get used up as the "use up side stack" is monitored by separate feedback electronics and can have several different "excitement" program stages to maximize the total complete use up of that use up stack. ::) Plus, you could make you some bigger pencils for a heavier duty plant, you know .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/02/16 at 17:41:59 SUPER heated steam comes naturally from a QuarkX plant.    The age of steam powered with this and that age will return quickly again as a QuarkX stack reactor constitutes a flash boiler of LARGE latent capacity by its innate natural function. Spray water into the attached white hot very rugged flash boiler chamber by a direct water injector system similar to a fuel injector, then reap a controlled blast of instant superheated high pressure steam in a measured amount.   Literally make high pressure steam one cylinder full at a time, using the actual flash generation to control the vehicle's overall speed.   No waste "head of steam" is ever created, it is all used 100% instantly in movement generation.   Using a dual big little cylinder system (taking the smaller primary cylinder exit steam and using it to power a larger lower pressure cylinder) followed by a condensing radiator system would act to conserve most of the water as well. Control your steam engine stroke by stroke by stroke in other words -- existing direct injector tech can work electronically at thousands of RPM while steam engines actually operate at 10x slower speeds, only hundreds of RPM. :)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/02/16 at 18:15:33 So, my fictitious steam cycle now has an electric motor inside the front hub, uses dynamic braking off that DC motor for "slow brake action" and has a disc brake on the front wheel for hard braking The rear hub has a one way sprag clutch drive for the direct action steam cylinders (one on each side of the  frame, 180o out so the exit steam from the little high pressure one goes directly into the other bigger, low pressure cylinder acting on the return stroke 180o and the timing all works out naturally).     It also has a natural brake available internal to the rear hub for rapid hard braking.   (ever try "engine braking" on a steam engine ?? -- it is called sliding the rear tire as you will NEVER roll over a steam engine during any sort of reverse braking action unless you open up some valves to cut off most of the compression.   Hey, you could do this in a varying amount by using a computer controlled decompression "variable valve" and literally using the rear connection hub as a big arsed brake if you had to) There is a post second cylinder very low pressure radiator, for steam to water recovery, and a low mounted water tank and a battery to support cold start up, control circuits, lights, horn etc. Such a bike is actually an all wheel drive unit and uses all of the available energy at approximately 30-40% efficiency.    The very low cost of the QuarkX steam power makes this cycle cost only pennies per day to run, so it is just all about being clean and efficient by requiring fewer water ups per trip. Note this bike uses the electrical power generated by QuarkX as headlights, systems battery recharge and front wheel electric drive energy .....  nothing gets wasted. And yes, your bike could power your campsite and by a low pressure hot water/steam line and a small radiator it could heat your tent too. And for winter riding, a "warm suit" connected to the same pop in connector, yes? ;D

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/02/16 at 18:48:10 Open your mind up -- what would your LENR based RV unit be like ????

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/04/16 at 03:43:04 Industrial Heat files a request to throw out Rossi's case against them.   Intent seems to be to preserve their rights to the IP that WAS given to them, IP that is "not substantiated" in I.H's. viewpoint but still I.H.'s little fingers are busy running around trying to sell it to various people right and left right now. We are in the court cases filed and counter cases filed zone that will drag on for years and years and years.   I.H. is milking their borrowed cash cow hard now for all it is worth. There is a positive spate of new patent filings from Japan and other countries, some are new, some are updates to existing patents, all include the lithium trick now.   Got a great micro pic of a particle that shows some physical traces of "energetic events" now .... http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71YX8QKW91L._SX315_BO1,204,203,200_.gif Meanwhile, the QuarkX rolls forward in Sweden unimpeded ......   QuarkX is NOT involved in the legal mess as it was only Lenardo Corp raw research during the time span involved in the court cases. Nor will the next Version of the Cat, that even much more improved technology that Rossi cooks up next. Personally, I think it is a good thing that some Rossi IP got loose and cross fertilized with some of the other methods, they are now enjoying 6-30 COP values which makes what they have commercially useful.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/16/16 at 03:06:34 Two things are new -- Congress is now screaming for an official update on USA LENR efforts, as they see other nations pushing initiatives that are rolling forward into reality.   Drop the secrecy BS and tell us where we are on this critical new technology. Next, Rossi has dropped the curtain on the E-CatX device, which has an electrical COP of 20 (adjustable) while providing both heat and light.   The 3 items are produced are on a sliding scale, as one goes up the others go down, with the total of the 3 always = 100% Total COP of the entire device runs around 200, with each of 3 demo'd reactors running a selected percent of light, of heat, and of electricity.    The 3 reactors used in the test were changed up during the test several times so the business partners could see the ratio selection thing work. The actual reactor is the size of a toothpick, and the containment vessel is the size of an ink pen.  This puts out power and heat on the order of a lawnmower engine at max settings, at min it is a flashlight & pocket hand warmer.    This is the smallest unit Rossi envisions building right now.   "Bigger is always possible" either by upsize of reactors or by using multiples of smaller reactors.     Rossi is able to start and stop the small reactors in 5-10 seconds as they will only work under a low wattage excitement frequency (for safety reasons).   Since they put out enough electricity to charge a battery and the "warm up" time is so very short in seconds, a potential mobile use (a car) is very possible, supposedly. Rossi's demo was strictly intended for his new business partners, who remain undisclosed at this time. Remember, Cherokee was Rossi's partner (unannounced) for well over a year before the curtain got dropped on that relationship -- this sort of level of secrecy is not new to Rossi.   Big business runs off of confidential this and that, normally.   This is no different. IH/Cherokee has NO RIGHTS to the new E-CatX tech, none at all.   Nor did Rossi disclose any of the particulars to them, so IH is left out totally in the cold on this one. And it is also now very clear that IH/Cherokee only bought the 3 year old E-Cat tech and this tech package WAS COMPLETELY DELIVERED TO THEM and the one year test was successfully completed and IH simply defaulted on the deal due to lack of money to pay the agreed upon 89 million dollars -- so with IH being in default IH now has NO RIGHTS to any of Rossi's tech at this point in time (any of it) and they also are in default on their "protected sales zones" as well. It looks like Cherokee/IH did a cut and run with the money they had raised months before the 1 year test was over, spending just about all of it on buying up everyone else's IP out there in LENR land .....   so Darden and company took a large short term profit and ran with it, buying up all the little guys as they ran past them. People who took transferred chunks of Rossi's tech that was handed illegally to them from IH need to be considering where they really are right now, as Rossi may well go after their asses as soon as he is done with IH and Cherokee.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 06/19/16 at 18:02:41 Rossi's lawyers replied to IH's motion to dismiss Rossi's lawsuit, doing it very clearly item by item and flat stating (under oath) more than enough evidence to prove Rossi's case very cleanly and clearly.   Rossi's lawyers also moved to exclude all the BS that has been added to the case after the fact by IH's lawyers as "not applicable" and has found the trial judge in agreement that the case will go forward limited by only the initial lawsuit's item list. IH is in trouble, in other words ......

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/19/16 at 20:01:27 Be okay with me if he winds up owning it.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/03/16 at 03:47:24 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/07/03/judge-orders-jury-trial-in-rossi-et-al-v-darden-et-al-starting-june-26-2017/ ORDER Setting Trial and Pretrial Schedule, Requiring Mediation, and Referring Certain Matters to Magistrate Judge John J. O’Sullivan: Jury Trial set for period of 6/26/2017 in Miami Division before Judge Cecilia M. Altonaga. Calendar Call set for 6/20/2017 09:00 AM in Miami Division before Judge Cecilia M. Altonaga. Motions to amend pleadings or join parties due by 8/11/2016. All discovery due by 2/27/2017. Proposed order scheduling mediation due by 7/21/2016. Mediation Deadline 3/13/2017. In Limine Motions due by 4/18/2017. All pretrial motions due by 3/21/2017. Pretrial Stipulation due by 4/18/2017. Signed by Judge Cecilia M. Altonaga on 6/30/2016. (ps1) Since this is signed by Judge Cecilia M. Altonaga, it seems like she has definitively ruled against the motion to dismiss that was filed by Industrial Heat et al., and she has agreed to a Jury Trial in the case, which is what Andrea Rossi asked for. Notice the Judges (two of them now) are pointedly suggesting a court supervised Mediation to take place BEFORE this case goes to trial.   Somebody does not want any potential military secrets to possibly leave the kitty sack during a real jury trial. Rossi apparently has a winning case and IH should seek a settlement even before the court ordered Mediation as that would be much cheaper than a court mediation or especially a trial, as a jury can independently award extra damages in excess of what is on the docket, and most juries do this in cases of attempted malfeasance by businesses.    Punitive damages, they call it. Expect to see IH go bankrupt soon and completely disappear, that is what these venture capital guys do when it all goes to the bad on them.   Bad thing for Cherokee is the court documents also include Cherokee Investments, so that one would have to do a fade as well.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/03/16 at 06:51:33 Why is it bad that Cherokee would fade to black? I would not be surprised if IH is looking for a way to disburse funds and liquidate as much as possible Now. I wonder if they can acquire a company, transfer funds into it and become a subsidiary of the new company, it becomes the parent company, shielding the money,,  That way when they start into talks and having to pay, they are already on the edge of bankruptcy.. I don't know if that can be done... but I Did see my dad's company acquired by a mid size oil company that was being sued. They bought the company and attached the lawsuit to that new acquisition and it Sank the company that employed over 100 people. And we were paid reasonably. Not minimum wage. We manufactured Non Destructive Testing equipment for oil field pipe. My dad sued the company that did it and won, but it took about three years. He had a U-Haul type trailer loaded with boxes of documents that he hauled in and out of court. They settled with him and he signed a Non disclosure.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/03/16 at 07:04:27 It would be better for Rossi to settle before court controlled mediation, leaving Cherokee still standing (allowing Industrial Heat to be the cut out company it was intended to be).   Why?   His future business partners would kinda look askance at a Vengeful Rossi leaving just a heap of smoking ash as all that remains of his old business partners. Plus, US military and other governmental secrets can be better maintained that way.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/03/16 at 12:02:06 I don't agree, in Principle,,in Practice, you may be right. When a Business Partner shoves a blade between your ribs and you seek legal ways to Be made Whole There is no shame in that. I don't stay away from stores that prosecute shoplifters or banks that press charges against robbers.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/03/16 at 12:36:10 My point is that if Rossi goes all Terminator all over his old business partners, then he will wait a long long time before finding any more partners to go dance with. Also, if there are some military secrets to protect, I think I would like to have them protected in some non-offensive manner. Yes, the IH/Cherokee boys do owe Rossi his money and/or all his IP secrets back.   The third party jerks who got the Rossi secrets handed to them by IH/Cherokee need to understand they CANNOT infringe on that IP without paying for an ongoing license to use it.   Who got handed what will come out in court, I am pretty sure.   Then Rossi will tell them what an ongoing license will cost them, ongoing. Sad item is the third party guys might actually think they DID pay for them -- for dollars and shared IP from them that they paid to IH who had no rights to sell the Rossi IP after defaulting multiple times on Rossi's arrangements. Lots & lots & lots of folks will have a bone to pick with IH .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/03/16 at 12:56:26 If investors avoid Rossi because he Justifiably sought legal recourse after being screwed they have the problem.  If I was qualified to back him his actions would not put me off. For him to use the full force and power of the law to spank them as hard as he can would not bother me. Shady investors who might tend to try to shaft him will, naturally, be cautious. He, apparently, has a real thing going. Anyone who has the money and wants to get in on a potentially world changing technology should step right up. I wish Musk would jump in.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/04/16 at 01:24:01 Here is the good news, Rossi takes the attitude that IH's mess is PAST NEWS and anything that is being locked up disclosure-wise on that IH test plant by the pending trial is NOT AFFECTING THE RELEASE OF DATA FROM THE 3 CURRENT BUILT PLANTS as they now use somewhat more modern tech and have a completely different customer. We are led to understand that Leonardo is working on two main fronts now: 1) The building of low temperature E-Cat plants that have been ordered by the parent company of JM Chemicals; 2) Working on the development of the QuarkX reactor. I also believe the quest for certification is still underway. Peter Gluck on this edition of his Ego Out website posted this “mini-interview” Rossi about the current state of his work. Andrea Rossi: Leonardo Corp has everything it needs to win the Trial, when it will be.. and: 442 days to wait? No problem at all, since my work proceeds independently from the Trial. Nobody has to wait for anything., the license to IH has been revoked, we are working at full power. also:  The ERV Report? But you will see the reports from the 3 new plants we are doing soon Peter: the Quark X is marvelous and opens a new front.. Andrea Rossi: exactly and this is arriving before any verdict should have been set

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/07/16 at 02:02:55 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/07/06/rossi-centralized-heating-to-be-first-market-sector-for-e-cat/ Rossi: “Centralized Heating” to be First Market Sector for E-Cat This is an interesting read as it shows Sweden at the forefront of bio-mass conversion and use of distributed steam/hot water for heating in urban areas. Sweden HAS no landfills, all biomass is converted into heat in the winter-time. But what do you do when your trash supply runs short and you need more heat during a cold winter?   You have been burning oil, but that is expensive and if you burn it all at home you cannot sell it internationally. Enter Rossi and the now well proven large e-cat tech.    Since it is inside a secured powerplant with skilled people to monitor it, the certification process will be quite short.   First pilot plant, plus a year of run time (one e-cat core change out) proof that the recovery of elements is accomplished correctly and there is zero radioactivity or hazardous waste produced and bammo -- full certification.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/07/16 at 16:38:57 You call in the Kardashian sisters. They have the market cornered on BiomAss,

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/08/16 at 02:20:13 http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/3910/7378/original.jpg?w=600&h Grab your shorts, this may be becoming a reality.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 07/08/16 at 07:21:48 70535B595A53535A4D3F0 wrote: Grab your shorts, this may be becoming a reality. 'cept for the clean floor... that's a dream.   8-)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Serowbot on 07/08/16 at 07:40:32 ...or a Photoshop... :-?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/08/16 at 07:45:51 http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/3910/7378/original.jpg?w=600&h People toss a lot of gruff at Rossi, then get to eat some of that gruff later on after he can disclose 100% what he has been doing. Historically, his release of informational stuff lags reality by 6 months to a year, so when he gives out CAD representations they turn out to be fairly similar to reality at that point in time. And if he is under NDA, he can't tell you it only takes half as much of whatever was before to do the same job as it used to do ......   my unsubstantiated guess that these would be at least 3 megawatts per enclosure, perhaps even higher. And think of the pretty refrigerator like door as a very pretty form of  final radiation / live steam shielding and I think you have its purpose for being there.   The entire enclosure looks sorta refrigerator-like, doesn't it?   This refrigerator looking enclosure could also contain a skin-flaying steam leak fairly well, also. After all, the current known minimum reactor size is the size of a friggn' toothpick, largest known size so far is 2 yards long (but logically can be longer if needs be).     Rossi can output low heat or high heat, light and/or electricity in different ratios depending on configuration and use. I think we will eventually see something sorta like this, perhaps bigger (or smaller) but with a finished appearance to make a good looking item. Municipal sized centralized steam plants in Norway and Sweden -- that has been stated as ground zero for the commercial/industrial roll out for E-CAT.   Remember Hydrofusion has always had this area as their distributor fiefdom and they have never stopped working on their roll out plans because of IH or Cherokee acting the arse over in America.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/12/16 at 05:28:33 Rossi is under court ordered non-disclosure for items related to the IH lawsuit.  All of the items below refer to the E-Cat that was involved in the one year IH testing.   Rossi/IH did contract with a lab to test the residues from the 1 year E-Cat test so they could say what happened and the company that did the testing distributed the test results according to the distribution lists they were given at the time  (which were pre-lawsuit distribution lists). Rossi is releasing nothing, and confirming nothing officially, as he is playing strictly by the rules. HOWEVER, there are other persons with access to information now that are NOT under court ordered non-disclosure and new sets of facts and hard data are leaking out all the time now. The natural elements Ni and Li were found in the sample. Their isotope composition is given in the table together with the natural composition. The numbers refer to percent.                          58Ni  60Ni    61Ni     62Ni      64Ni     6Li      7Li Natural comp     68.1  26.2    1. 14    3.63       0.93     7.59     92.4 Rossi sample     14.2   6.3       0.3     78.5        0.7      86.5     13.5 What does this mean?   As the isotopes march up and down in the nickel matrix grabbing up electrons and protons, very slowly (by stages) pulling hydrogen atoms apart to get to the needed component atomic particles -- a lot of relatively mild heat is being released. This is prima facie proof that E-Cat changes isotopic composition over time, releasing energy as it does so.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/12/16 at 05:45:56 WOWZAAS! That's just So exciting! Thought to be the stuff of Unicorn rides over rainbows ,,, but Look!

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 07/12/16 at 07:28:07 694A4240434A4A4354260 wrote: And think of the pretty refrigerator like door as a very pretty form of  final radiation / live steam shielding and I think you have its purpose for being there.   The entire enclosure looks sorta refrigerator-like, doesn't it?   This refrigerator looking enclosure could also contain a skin-flaying steam leak fairly well, also. Heard a story where a boiler had developed a leak and a couple of crewmen decided to go find it... one of them let out a yelp and the leak was found.  It was high pressure steam and the leak was just a pin hole.  The steam cut the mans fingers off and cauterized them back on instantly.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Serowbot on 07/12/16 at 07:33:30 I keep waiting for the story that Rossi is back in prison for defrauding investors again... You know the old saying... "Fool me once,...Shame on you..." :-X...

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/12/16 at 07:46:58 Im sure someone wants him there. Or dead. Being arrested and convicted means nothing. On the other hand,,, How do the isotopes Get there if nothing is happening?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 07/12/16 at 08:32:34 3620372A32272A31450 wrote: I keep waiting for the story that Rossi is back in prison for defrauding investors again... You know the old saying... "Fool me once,...Shame on you..." :-X... But yet the stories of the corporate shills has no impact.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 07/13/16 at 14:57:23 Brilliant Light Power, Inc. (BrLP) announced today that it has continuously generated over a million watts of power from a new primary source until the cell vaporized from the intense heat. The power released by the conversion of hydrogen atoms from water molecules into a lower energy form called “Hydrino” or dark matter is manifest as brilliant-light emitting plasma wherein the light is uniquely and extraordinarily essentially all high-energy light in the extreme ultraviolet. Using four cross-confirming methodologies, five validators have confirmed over a million watts of plasma power developed by BrLP’s so-called SunCell® at power gains of over 100 times the power to ignite the Hydrino reaction, and at power densities higher than any previously known energy source. Dr. Randy Booker, physics professor and former Physics Department Chairman at University of North Carolina-Ashville said, “The power was measured using two optical power measurements involving three sophisticated spectrometers calibrated against a National Institute of Science and Technology traceable standard and two thermal methods involving a commercial calorimeter and the rate of the rise of the water coolant temperature of the SunCell®. All four methodologies cross-confirmed the production of megawatt scale power that was continuous in the case of the SunCell® with spectacular commercial potential. Moreover, the unique and characteristic spectrum from the optical tests of essentially purely high energy light emission over a predicted range confirms the hydrino reaction as the source of the power.”

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/19/16 at 06:53:11 Uppsala University was the source of the non-NDA-bound year long E-Cat isotopic analysis data, which was mailed to them according to the old pre-lawsuit distribution list that the lab was provided.   These are some fairly trustworthy people, and it is giving all the pathological deniers a pure fit since the source turns out to be completely NON-ROSSI and pretty trustworthy/good in nature, as was the actual lab that did the actual analysis. "But you don't know if that was really taken out of a reactor from the year long test." True enough, and good enough for a pathoskeptic's peace of mind, I suspect. Yeah, Brilliant light power is using silver powder and water, run through an ARC BLASTER to make a very violent bunch of heat and light that they currently have no technology good enough to keep from melting it all down after only a minute or so. A LOT of energy, released very very fast -- perhaps suitable for a low gee rocket engine.   The lifespan of the photocells used to turn the light back into power would be fairly short, I would think. But you got Mills approaching a commercial process and Rossi building a plant to make his E-Cats.   Something will hit the market soon ......

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/19/16 at 16:00:21 Correction to earlier post. I now have permission to upload the original file I received. The PDF shows the author as Bo Hoistad, one of the Lugano professors, who is at Uppsala University. The file title has that the sample was provided by Rossi, May 11, 2016, when he was apparently at Uppsala (along with Mats Lewan, who reports this on his blog). The sample was dropped off by Rossi and Matts Lewan.  This fact provides all the disbelief that the pathoskeptics require, but it does show that Rossi was seeking independent test results even back then.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/19/16 at 16:13:59 You are likely to get lost in this, but it was put out and covered at a full university symposium by Sveinn Olafsson of the University of Iceland, and Leif Holmlid University of Gothenburg, Sweden who are the best we got in the world right now on LENR scientific theorization.     They got a couple of active LENR theories and they are testing those theories experimentally as we speak.     They do not doubt that LENR is real, as too much empirical proof and successful ongoing experiments say it is real. http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/07/14/everything-you-always-wanted-to-know-about-cold-fusion-but-were-afraid-to-ask-olafsson-holmlid-slideshow-july-2016/

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/20/16 at 18:20:52 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/07/20/industrial-heats-motion-to-dismiss-denied-in-part-granted-in-part/ The Court case of Rossi vs IH has just finished all preliminary motions, and the IH motion to dismiss was denied and a few items referred instead to a patent court to be trial adjudicated by an expert patent judge. It does not seem to be going IH's way at all right now.   The few items kicked off the current court case are being "recommended" over to a patent court by the current judge, who will not hear these items as he is NOT a patent judge. So these are the counts from Rossi’s complaint that are intact and dismissed: Count I: Breach of Contract (Non-Payment) Intact Count II: Breach of Contract (Exceeding Scope of License) Dismissed Count III: Unjust Enrichment Intact Count IV: Misappropriaton of Trade Secrets Intact Count V: Civil Conspiracy to Misappropriate Trade Secrets Dismissed Count VI: Fraud and Deceit Intact Count VII: Constructive and Equitable Fraud Dismissed Count VIII: Patent Infringement Dismissed So Judge Antonaga has spoken: half of the complaint has been upheld, and half thrown out. There is probably satisfaction and disappointment for both sides of the case from this decision. Where Rossi might be most disappointed here is with the decision to dismiss his complaint that IH breached their contract by operating outside of their license area, and filing patents based on Leonardo’s IP. This decision could allow IH to continue to file patents worldwide based on the E-Cat. Industrial Heat might be most disappointed that while the claim for Constructive and Equitable Fraud has been thrown out, the claim for Fraud and Deceit still stands. Also, that they may be required to pay the $89 million license fee. ::)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/21/16 at 17:37:41 http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Motion-to-Dismiss-Judgment-Rossi_et_al_v_Darden_et_al__flsdce-16-21199__0024.0.pdf Here is the released court document concluding the pre-trial portion, which is a piece of evidence in itself to be used in the trial itself. Cherokee is named as the original contracting partner and IH was indeed only a created "cut out" company which tends to lend credence to the idea that some sort of fraud was intended by Cherokee all along since they made provision for it.   The court finds that Cherokee intentionally delayed the start of the test and rang in a "non-existent" third party into the final test agreement simply to obscure and deny the test at the conclusion of it (and they did) and the court also states that the 1 year reactor test does indeed exceed the requirements for power out vs power in (COP) by a goodly amount. Cherokee is cruising for a bruisin, in other words.   And since Cherokee is the one named, they can flip the on-off switch on IH all they want and still will be held totally liable for the final court decision, which will likely come from an angry 12 person jury most likely.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 07/29/16 at 23:10:18 Quick update on several fronts.    IH has filed for some more time to try to get their defense in order.   Judge has not responded to this request at this time.   3 additional days were granted. Rossi has responded to several questions about his building the 3 new 1 megawatt plants and his desire for the newly constructed plants to be more rigorous and trouble free.   A redesign has been done incorporating knowledge gained during the 1 year test.   Rossi has stated that the new plants should exceed the old 50 COP and be "multiple times" more reliable. Next, Engineer48 has come out of the closet as the new distributor who is working in Australia with one of the 3 "undisclosed customers" who have ordered a 1 megawatt plant from Rossi. Engineer48 has gained Rossi's trust and is now privy to some of the many secret details and Engineer48 has been discussing forward motions in public on the ECat forum.    He sees no secrecy in the installing of a Rossi plant as it just makes steam and that is very old tech indeed.   He will talk about items not covered by NDA, and is fairly freethinking about what can be spoken about outside of NDA. Engineer48 is flying two new customers to Florida to ink NEW (#4 & #5) purchase agreements with Rossi/Leonardo Corp.  Engineer48 is the distributor selling the units. Rossi has admitted to significant advances in directly generating electrical power from his reactors.  E-Cat X's new generation is OVER 200 COP now and can put out up to ~ 30% in direct electrical generation.  Light is unchanged, heat goes down when electrical or light goes up.   Waste heat is now able to be turned into power by traditional generation means, and can be built-in as part of a small plant as done by Engineer48. Norway and Sweden are working on their first Rossi installations, in the early planning stages. England has just delayed the Hinkley Point Nuclear Power plant, stopping the project for a six month period to complete a full engineering review before committing to all the billions of pounds it will cost.     Part of this is the financial and funding chaos caused by England leaving the EU, but some of it may be an honest engineering review of alternative technologies that are coming up now as some are now cheaper than traditional nuclear.     Yes, large scale modern tech solar farms can be cheaper than nuclear if you factor in the disposal costs of all the radioactive waste and the worn out site once you are done with the thing.   Rossi's stuff still needs to jell a bit more and then it can be considered as well, since even if Hinkley Point goes into construction it won't even be finished until 5-10 years from now. ABB admits to be working on prototype automated production lines to build Rossi reactors, both the old style 1 megawatt long rod type and the newer smaller E-Cat X direct electric generating type. Rossi has a manufacturing site where ABB is putting in equipment.   ABB has plenty of expertise and plenty of money (a billion dollar per annum R&D budget). Change, as always she comes .......

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/02/16 at 14:48:29 Verified -- ongoing production has begun on E-Cat 1+ Megawatt super saturated steam plants. Orders are at 3 + 2 and increasing .......    Rossi has agreement with at least one knowledgeable distributor to plumb in the plant to customer's heat exchanger while the LENR plant is being built.     Rossi's own people will over see the run in period once the E-Cat is installed.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 08/02/16 at 14:57:24 Quote: A typical (500 megawatt) coal plant burns 1.4 million tons of coal each year. As of 2012, there are 572 operational coal plants in the U.S. with an average capacity of 547 megawatts. Coal pollutes when it is mined, transported to the power plant, stored, and burned. That's a lot of 1 MW Ecats   8-) Quote: Coal generates 44% of our electricity

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/02/16 at 16:05:39 http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/3910/7378/original.jpg?w=600&h Dreamers see these racks as 5 megawatts for each enclosure as shown.     Historically, Rossi doubles the energy output per cubic space each generation of machine, and he generally does an upgrade generation a year, generally speaking.   So I can see them becoming 10 megawatts per enclosure within the first few retrofit upgrades at the "change out the worn out cores" stages (which happens every year now). We are at the very early "first expansion into commercial reality" stage.   When Westinghouse was at that stage with Tesla, it was at the Niagara Falls hydroelectric station and the first turbine powered (brushed commutator) AC generators.   Station #1 was very primitive compared to Station #2, ditto compared to Station #3.   New tech gets better VERY quickly ..... Coal power production, the digging, transporting, ash disposal, ongoing plant maintenance is actually very expensive compared to what Rossi has already accomplished. And Rossi and crew will only get better at it.   So far Rossi only claims up front about half of what the equipment can actually do and on top of that he provides for ample spare cores for downtime maintenance. ================================================== What has become clear is that a single "expert operator" still has to attend the existing level of Rossi Tech when it is installed on a major user site.    Once a site and a level load pattern is established then that site's software can be hand-tuned to optimize that site's COP. Only by doing it, can the excitement optimization (over the full one year wear life of a reactor rod) be laid down in code.    It is hoped that the new reactor refinements and control refinements will allow a more stable and generic start up and first run, but it is suspected each major plant will run slightly differently over the long haul as the isotopes within each rod will mature at different rates based on usage rates / load rates. This is still old Ford Model A level equipment, after 3-4 years of run time Rossi and crew will know enough to perhaps go to the Model T level and perhaps be solid enough to sell the tech widely worldwide without on site keepers. Last major plant I worked at had an AC Tech that worked for the AC company who had a workshop up on the roof of the plant.   He attended the very large R12 refrigerant (1960's vintage) spiral compressors that those chiller plants utilized as he had to rebuild them on the spot in a endless dance to keep ahead of the summer heat. Same plant had a live in controls tech who worked for the controls company (same 1960's vintage stuff) because the controls needed constant calibration and repair to keep the plant running 24/7.   The tech really wasn't reliable enough, and since it was an integral part of their fixed capital equipment they were stuck with it. What pays for the required technician?    2-3 times lower energy cost compared to existing options like gas or coal.    This level of return is easily twice as good as the required $$$ profit financial bean picker would approve capital dollars for --- enough to pay for the technician and the yearly reactor and controls replacement as the tech matures year on year on year. Mind you, Rossi tech won't spread out radically until the technician is no longer required to be on site, so you can see why Rossi is adamant he will TRY TRY AGAIN to redo the design to try to get there inside of one year, one pass. ;)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/07/16 at 05:48:20 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/08/06/industrial-heat-responds-to-rossis-complaints/ As expected, IH has responded to Rossi's lawsuit, claiming massive fraud on the set up of the test (the test that they couldn't be bothered to set up) and disavowing the ERV expert that they had agreed upon in writing (disavowing after the fact, of course, and after the bill came due as a matter of fact) and instead IH is referring technically to a brand new party no one has heard about in the LENR world so far, one that says that in his opinion that nothing really happened, it was all a fraud.   This new "expert" (cut out person) is Jeb's source for all his fraud theories he has been spewing for the last 4 months, so we know pretty much what he is going to say. Now, my operating theory is that the truth is often muddy and vague, something that takes place in between all the histrionics of life.   In my mind, Rossi isn't clean handed on all of this, nor is IH.   The one year test was something IH definitely welshed on, and Rossi went ahead and personally made it happen anyway using clever methods that are going to be considered suspect by the attacking counsel.   Considered suspect, as will all of the one year test results that flowed from it.  Since the ERV himself has now been attacked, none of the long term data will be considered valid unless the ERV is very completely exonerated.   If even one fleck of shite sticks to the ERV, then his results go down the toilet with him. A long court trial is coming, to be sure.   Dirty laundry will fly up in the air all over the place.    Lots of "He said, she said". The customer for the steam will be dragged into court and forced to testify and provide data, something they DID NOT WANT TO DO ALL ALONG.   At this stage, no one wishes to be drawn in to this fecal circus as this will be messy to the 10th power before it is over.  Expect every anti-Rossi point to be expounded upon profusely by hot fusion experts and for press releases to come out daily, ground out by the media machine that has been hired. Please note:  if IH is being paid (along with the APCO media manager and the Jones Day legal group) to DELAY the implementation of LENR for X number of years then they are proceeding along with a game plan that is very likely to work to achieve that goal.   Rossi will stink after this is over, even if he was totally clean handed during the whole thing. I think he was too ego driven and that he got too clever, and now he will pay the piper for his cleverness by losing all credibility during this shite storm contest that is coming next. Getting that second reactor up and running (generating tons of fresh data) is of primary importance to Rossi right now, as without a flow of unimpeachable new data he may well get sucked down the toilet bowl swirl that is coming.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/07/16 at 07:38:32 Your opinion, please. Is/was this game an attempt to steal the technology? Keep it mired in doubt, locked up in litigation, and generally just an attempt to keep it out of production? I'm a Piece of the Pie Kinda guy. If I could help you get a Eleventy Gazzillion Dollar technology into the market, and All I got was twenty percent, well, I'd be happy... Who would risk Those Earnings to take a shot at having the whole pie?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/07/16 at 16:33:35 Considering the nature and type of the APCO press group and the top notch dirty pool legal help that comes with the James Day people, I would guess that it involves foreign petrodollars, big domestic finance fat cats and national politics and all of them wanting to stall LENR for as long as possible -- this is what makes up the name of this game. Please remember, about 40% of our entire economy is tied up in petroleum this and that .... you don't disrupt that much of your Gross National Product casually.   You bring it on in a careful fashion so as not to tank your economy.   Right now the fat cats are struggling to get out of oil, they are finding very few buyers right now and the fat cats are busy stuffing it into working people's retirement plans as a way to dump the coming losses. Given a Hillary presidency I do not think that Rossi stands a snowball's chance in hell. Can't say anything better about a Trump presidency.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/07/16 at 17:35:34 Understood, agree, and will add, I'm just surprised that All the hassles and legal wrangling, roadblocks, gee, I'm just shocked he hasn't shot, hanged dragged and drowned himself.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/08/16 at 05:06:43 That weird, egotistical Italian has got a working grip on a critical new technology.   He hasn't taught his bag of tricks to anyone, correctly thinking that the needle in the night could come to visit him if he did actually transfer his knowledge. Especially that new E-Cat X technology, something nobody knows anything much about that other than perhaps ABB who is working with Rossi on the production equipment in Leonardo's plant up in Sweden. Rossi has said a dozen times or more that his stuff HAS to fall in line with the normal generation of power in America (stay well behind your kilowatt meter on your house) or it will not be permitted to be, at all, in America.   For him to pursue  only 1 megawatt plants in the USA has a reason behind it. This is why he poo poos all the American folks saying "distributed off-line power generation" because he KNOWS it is never going to happen in this lifetime, not out of America anyway. It is also why he is working with the Norwegians and the Brits -- the Brits have no oil to protect but they do have a whopping big oil bill every month.   Although the Swedes have oil, they really have to sell it to make a buck for their economy, and they are currently using up way too too much of their fun money just heating their residences in those cold cold cold Swedish and Norwegian winters. Rossi can see Brits and Swedes going with smaller distributed local power uses, but not the Americans.   Ergo development and production of the small E-Cat X units will happen in Sweden and Britain, not America.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/09/16 at 17:57:41 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/08/09/airbus-lenr-patent-application-published-by-us-patent-office/ Airbus files LENR patents using Rossi like tech -- amazing, isn't it ????    IH peddles Rossi's Lithium  & Nickel powder tech all over the place and now these derivative patents are popping up like popcorn all over the place using that exact identical same technology. Gonna make the lawyers wealthy, that's all. =========================================== https://www.researchgate.net/publication/294715828_A_Technique_for_Making_Nuclear_Fusion_in_Solids This one is new, the method is new and the intended use is war-like, exploding shell projectiles and such. I bet this johnny gets 100% funded ASAP by DARPA.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/11/16 at 13:04:05 Speaking of the Department of Defense, IH's new "LENR systems" expert Murray that IH is  quoting in court documents is an electronics expert from the DoD who first visited the i Megawatt Florida site in the company of an APCO operativer. IH and DoD and APCO and James Day Legal Services --- very Military/Industrial Complex type people. Yes, this whole things stinks to high heavens .... Not surprising at all Rossi did not want the known DoD op. Murray to trash the test after Darden visited the GPT plant with the Apco op. (McLaughlin). Anyone would be rightly suspicious after that ...

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 08/11/16 at 14:03:38 1231393B383131382F5D0 wrote: That weird, egotistical Italian has got a working grip on a critical new technology.   He hasn't taught his bag of tricks to anyone, correctly thinking that the needle in the night could come to visit him if he did actually transfer his knowledge. It seems to be something more than logic can resolve. If it were, software could handle it.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/12/16 at 03:39:46 With the massive worldwide transfer of Rossi's confidential IP by Industrial Heat, DoD, APCO and the now known connections between Industrial Heat and several government agency programs (where IH's new experts come from) the world of LENR has grown exponentially.   I think that sending the illegally shipped Rossi IP out into the world actually promoted some real progress on many many .gov fronts.   This is also why I do not think Rossi can win in a USA courtroom -- the fix is obviously in on the .gov side of things. Consider what happened to Rossi in Florida to be akin to military/industrial complex type spy vs spy espionage and you have a somewhat better grip on what actually took place. Our Congress recently got all red faced about all the secrecy bullshite concerning LENR, this has pushed a great many secret programs out into the light, at least exposing them far enough to see that they exist now. This is what LENR looks like right now, and we know this isn't all of it as much in the commercial realms (Mitsubishi, Toyota and others) are still being held very low key by those corporations.   Several of these corporations have been pushing out local national patents at a furious rate for over two years now.  Misubishi has elemental conversion patents on a Tungsten to Platinum conversion for example. http://https://static.wixstatic.com/media/0771d6_c82a5908d92340659c662cf1347eb286.jpg/v1/fill/w_600,h_439,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/0771d6_c82a5908d92340659c662cf1347eb286.jpg Rossi's Secret Sauce may be taking a good functioning reactor apart and re-powderizing the fused mass of stuff inside it and mixing that crushed up currently working stuff into a new batch of fresh nickel powder / lithium at a certain starter ratio.    In short, they may not really know 100% why the original reactor decided to start itself up,  but now that they can seed more reactors off the old ones, who cares? Yes, somewhat akin to alchemy, but if it works who's complaining ???   Right now here at the start of the LENR unfolding, old school alchemy can be your friend as long as it leads to something that is working OK for you.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/17/16 at 10:52:52 NASA comes out of the closet  .....   they have a methodology to test "Rossi type" mixes at 48 mixtures per small sample. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBjA5LLraX0 Watch it and read between the lines -- Rossi is being blocked by testimony provided to IH given by .gov agencies "experts" who are doing a little turf protecting of their very own.     IH/APCO/Jones Day Legal  is now coming across as just a delaying technique which serves financial and governmental interests at this time. Rossi is an old man, they expect him to die naturally before completing anything that can disrupt these interests.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/17/16 at 13:41:53 WHen the goobs support something, I question it. When they start downing something, I look carefully at it. It's late in the game for the goobs to be having an opinion. Looks like they were Hoping that He would fail He would die He would, uhh, commit suicide He would step in front of a bullet He would fall on a knife Alas, he continues to suck air and make progress. Time to Explain to the masses that he is a con artist.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/31/16 at 06:14:24 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/08/31/rossi-provides-projected-timeline-of-e-cat-development/   Rossi Provides Projected Timeline of E-Cat Development Andrea Rossi was asked yesterday by a reader on the Journal of Nuclear Physics if he could provide a schedule for upcoming E-Cat deadline. Rossi’s response was this: Andrea Rossi August 30, 2016 at 8:44 AM 1- continue the manufacturing of the industrial plants: NOW 2- complete the R&D of the QuarkX to sell the first unit: within 2016 3- presentation of the QuarkX prototype: within 2016 4- start massive production of the E-Cats in the USA and in Sweden: 2017- 2018 Thank you for your attention, Warm Regards, A.R. There’s apparently a lot going on at the moment with manufacturing and R&D — although not on a mass-production level. We don’t have details on who has made the first orders, but from what Rossi has said, he seems to refer to at least two customers — one being the parent company that used the energy from the Doral plant, and the other being a district heating customer in Sweden. Interesting that he says there will be a “presentation” of the QuarkX prototype this year — that sounds like a newsworthy event if it happens. I hope we get more details on that. Rossi has always talked about his hope for “massive” production of the E-Cats. If it works as he says, I can understand the excitement, but there will be a lot to do to get mass production set up, especially with the current lawsuit pending. Rossi has said recently that he is spending 40 per cent of his time on the legal case. Rossi needs to keep on top of his legal case, and Rossi needs to complete and install the plant for "a district heating customer in Sweden" before the cold sets in this fall.   This one is very important to finish ASAP as the COP data from it is going to be ongoing proof that IH lied and defrauded Rossi. His other customer (the one from Doral Florida) will not want to have his business discussed in court and will likely NEVER allow tours or data sharing of any sort since his is a secretive sort of business involving a lot of precious metals.   However, I think the municipal central heat place won't care if Rossi shares data and does a limited amount of tours.   It has no "interests" to protect and it is a form of public facility after all.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 08/31/16 at 06:35:31 There is a LOT OF ACTIVITY right now on the Japanese methods of LENR, which are based on sending a low energy stream of neutrons into a mass of metal.   This is high tech, high investment LENR but it is well understood by nuclear physics as it exists right now.   Transformation of metals is taking place here, in significant but small amounts.   A lot of energy is being released, but it is not being used by anybody at this time. It is acceptable, rational LENR that can be explained, while the Rossi effect is still mysterious and somewhat "alchemical" to the real scientists of the world. There are HUNDREDS OF GROUPS NOW, some well funded, working away at LENR as hard as they can.   Many theories and approaches are being used. E-Cat World and other web sites are clearing houses for what is discovered and a better picture of what is going on is slowly evolving. Folks speak with some confidence that breakthroughs in other places not involving Rossi are taking place and progress is being made on "all the other ways to skin a Cat". :D It is interesting that if you were boning to get yourself a Nobel Prize for Science, then maybe plunking your first commercial reactor down where the Nobel Committee members could day trip to visit it wouldn't be a bad plan,  don't you think?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/07/16 at 18:51:58 http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/em-drive-head-300x165.jpg The wizz bangs in academia have futzed with, replicated, scaled up and down and vacuum chambered the reactionless space drive to the point they want to put one out into space and turn it on. Once again, they still don't know how it works, so they got questions about if it will really work out in space (away from Earth's magnetic field) and indeed there is only one way to get it completely out of Earth's magnetic field. They are really gonna launch one out into space, point it out at deep space and turn it on. Just the drive, 4 small steering jets,  the power supply and a transponder radio and a large tinfoil radio/radar cone rig up so they can track it easily as it goes "that a way" at a constant low acceleration. They will spend MILLIONS and millions of dollars to do this test, so it must be promising enough to get that kind of funding.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/15/16 at 15:31:20 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/09/10/lenr-in-electric-arc-plasma-strike-an-underwater-arc-and-cop-up-to-8/ http://waterarcresearch.blogspot.cl/?m=1 Take a deep breath, and realize that folks have known a little about LENR for over a hundred years now, but because it was deemed "voodoo science" it was totally IGNORED as "non-existing" and "not real".   And yes, both Tesla and Edison knew about this phenomena. Helmet and hose underwater welders knew that two electrode "arc path" welding was always plagued by mysterious small explosions or "pops" that would blow the molten metal completely out of the arc pool and make you start over with adjusting the electrodes properly again since the explosion sprayed metal on the electrodes and/or moved them too far apart to maintain a proper arc.     The shielded electrode single stick welder (the replacement for the open arc) would sometimes do this as well, but not as frequently, and since it required no adjustment beyond striking it again this "popping" caused no real work stoppage on a stick welder. I mean, seriously, gas welders popped all the time, so why shouldn't an arc welder? Next case was arc spot lights ..... On misty foggy rainy days, old style arc spotlights would "pop" sporadically and blow their arc out (and the foggier it was they more they would require even more frequent electrode readjustments and restarts) ....... OK, so a guy over 40 years ago was curious why this was, and he investigated and wrote up his results for publication in a print and paper scientific magazine of his time --- but his early results/explanations based on chemistry and "energy states" were immediately trash canned as non-science by academia and his research was banned from the scientific magazines as "voodoo science".     Ditto for the guy who checked into it 20 years ago ....  publication was refused.    His "electron shell deformation" theory was too out there for science to even consider. All perpetual motion machines and "energy from nowhere" items get tossed into this special locked file drawer, you see, the drawer gets closed and the info is forgotten forever. Never mind that a twin electrode rig for an arc welder and a metal bucket of water was all that was needed for confirmation, the idea was so "out there" that it got actively ignored for decades and decades.     Besides, all of the very few old school confirmation guys who did try it stopped the experiment as soon as the water boiled or splashed over in the bucket as it was making a "a heck of a mess on the lab floor" ..... http://waterarcresearch.blogspot.cl/?m=1 New investigation says the arc does not need to be large at all nor does it need to be killing high voltage/amperage, it can actually be quite mild and small.    Also found recently was that if a mild lithium solution is used it will exhibit a COP of ~ 8 when the very small arc is heating up a bucket of water in a cobbled up calorimeter.     Notice the tiny size of the capacitor driven electronic arc device,  so an arc welder is certainly over kill in this use model. Reformat this idea as a NON-pressurized heavy walled water filled radiator sitting in my den ...... and I got my UL approved LENR room heater, finally.     A COP of 8 is nothing to sneeze at, as it cuts your energy bill down to 12-15% of what it was to heat electrically before now.   This beats the cost of heating with gas and gets you down into the range of the very very best of the expensive high SEER heat pumps. Since all the components are already UL approved, there are no barriers to a commercial product, just some product development costs.    The science is over 40 years old, so there are NO RESTRICTIVE PATENTS possible to get in the way either.   Rest assured, Sue You Mills will still sue you, but I do not think he can win if you aren't using silver powder in your rig up. http://waterarcresearch.blogspot.cl/?m=1 More look/see stuff will take place soon since any of the LENR boys can handle this "mild arc welder" level of process very easily and they already own the gear needed to monitor it properly and would only need to make up some form of calorimetry enclosure to do a proper job of confirmation. Mills LENR original patents may get tossed out by this "prior art" if it is confirmed, but his silver powder and water methodology and his process controls patents may stand up as they are things not envisioned by the folks 20 and 40 years ago. Brilliant Light Company and Mr. Sue You Mills has prior art from 20 and 40 years ago --- imagine that.        ;) Rossi is using an electric discharge frequency on solid powders to control his E-Cat X, so this explains why the list folks are doing historical research on the electric discharge methodology in general.   And they are finding interesting historical stuff from back in the Tesla / Edison era of things .....    ::)

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 09/30/16 at 23:55:21 Rossi is back with the E-Cat X, having worked through some materials and controls issues discovered as they attempted to design a realistic robotically assembled cell for ease of manufacturing.   Current E-Cat X cell is around the size of a AAA to AA battery with this first size being output sized at "mild" 20 watts, ie possibly a multi-cell room heater type of product that will also output charging power for laptops and other modern low draw battery powered sorts of stuff.   Could also be a lamp/convection heater type of thing, depends on refinements down the road. Industrially, Rossi will put lots of these little 100 to 200 watt cells into a megawatt boiler system to make up a 1 to 5 megawatt plant that has no potential entanglements with IH, period.   As he gets better at building them, the size and wattage will go back up to over 100 watts for each AAA to C cell sized reactor.     A half or quarter megawatt small boiler plant built out of 100 watt AA sized cells may wind up being very compact and therefore relatively more affordable. Rossi has begun consult actively with experts in certain fields, leveraging the knowledge gained in the fission industry concerning more durable heat and "conversion resistant" materials.   He is also consulting with electronics folks to get his control systems built both better and more cheaply. Rossi Reports Recent “Tremendous Progress” with E-Cat QuarkX Posted on September 30, 2016 by Frank Acland • 10 Comments Andrea Rossi today responded to a question from a reader who asked him what the eventual model of the QuarkX reactor (Rossi’s most recent version of the E-Cat). He responded: Andrea Rossi September 30, 2016 at 4:00 PM Andrea: Yes, in these last days we made tremendous progress. The modules will be real “quarkx”, they will have a power of 20 Watts each. The dimensions will be very small and they will be able to be combined without limit of quantities. The COP is very high, and the small power/module is necessary for safety reasons. They can produce heat, light, electricity, but the main application will be to produce heat and eventually turn it into electricity by Carnot cycle. It is possible also production of light and direct electricity, but the highest efficiency is achieved making heat an eventually use the Carnot cycle for other energy forms. We are very close to industrial applications, we are making important measurements and I am very happy of what is going on. Ad majora, Warm Regards, A.R., from the bench of the QuarkX Key points to me:      (E-Cat World editorial comments) 1. The QuarkX now is rated at 20W, whereas previously Rossi had said that the smallest unit would be 100W. So for some reason they have made a decision to go smaller. Perhaps this is for safety reasons. Rossi has said that they had been experiencing problems with the reactors overheating, and it makes me wonder if they have found the problem is lessened if the reactors are smaller. 2. While the QuarkX reactors can reportedly produce electricity and light directly, Rossi says that it will be more efficient to produce electricity from the heat of the QuarkX via the Carnot cycle; i.e. using the heat to turn steam turbines. If the COP really is ‘very high’ (Rossi has said recently that it is similar to the COP of the E-Cat plant in the one-year test which he claims was around 50), then efficiency of the electricity production would be very good. 3. Rossi saying they are ‘very close’ to industrial applications sounds encouraging; however, that is still indefinite. I try to temper my expectations in this area — we’ll see it if and when we see it. 4. Rossi reporting being ‘very happy’ about the current state of affairs might be significant. The fact that he says they have made ‘tremendous progress’ might signal that they have successfully dealt with overheating issue they have been experiencing. Incidentally, Rossi said that the specialist they had brought in from California to help them to deal with this problem was a “retired officer engineer of the US Navy.” In other areas ....  Rossi is generally content with the progress in the IH lawsuit, as most of IH's various twittering objections for the sake of confusion have been summarily rejected by the judges.   Next, the entire crop of IH countersuit items have been reduced to just two, with the rest considered summarily rejected.    Court date is set for next year ..... Rossi's primary attorney and one ancillary attorney just got picked up by a much bigger law firm as Rossi's account seems to be considered "worthwhile business" since he is going to be using legal services quite a bit going forward as he one-by-one sues the folks who are using his IP that was ILLEGALLY transferred to them by IH. This next level of legal action will take place in a different court, once the current judges (2) make the initial monetary judgements concerning IH violating the terms of their agreements with Rossi.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/01/16 at 07:32:00 Ohhhh, how I want this to work. Imagine what third world places would have. And, can I put my name on the list to start chopping down those horrid wind turbines?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 10/03/16 at 09:35:43 Rossi on Going Small: Thousands of 20 Watt QuarkX Reactors to Make Up Large Plants Posted on October 3, 2016 by Frank Acland • 11 Comments Andrea Rossi has been answering a number of new questions about the QuarkX reactor on the Journal of Nuclear Physics since he revealed that each reactor is now smaller than ever in terms of power output. The reason for its reduction from 100W to 20W is, according to Rossi, for safety reasons. He said: “Safety is first. Making modules of 20 W of power, it is much easier to control them. Combining them, we can reach any power rate we want in small space. Like Quarks… Gerard McEk asked some questions; here is the Q&A: What worries me is that because of this development you may need to go again through a new full test cycle again for getting the 5 sigma on all aspects. 1. Is that true? no 2. Does each QuarkX need to be separately controlled? no 3. Does such a small unit not automatically mean more control complexity for big clusters? no, the contrary is true 4. The ability to recharge seems more difficult for such tiny units, is it still possible? yes, by substitution on the site of the Customers and recharge in our robotized line 5. If so, do you think of replaceable and recyclable units? yes 6. I assume that using the QuarkX in a jet engine is now one of your favorite applications, am I right? C.B.N.* ["Crystal Ball Needed] 7. When do you think you are able to produce a large cluster of QuarkX’s? soon Bill Conley asked whether making so many small reactors would mean that refuling them prohibitively expensive or at least make maintenance significantly more expensive and if the QuarkXs were now considered disposable or swappable. Rossi’s response: No, the maintenance is easy. The modules will be replaced and recharged in our factory. Imagine to substitute fuses in a control panel. So what Rossi seems to be describing here are reactors that are easily swappable in and out of a plant as if you were changing fuses — nevertheless we’re talking about 50,000 fuses (if the plant was 1MW) which would be highly labor intensive and complicated if you were to install/replace each one individually (imagine how many you could drop or lose inside the plant!). So I would think that they must be planning for a way to have multiple QuarkX’s on some kind of circuit board that could be easily snapped in and out. If, as Rossi indicated above, each QuarkX does not need a separate control system this may be doable. It’s also interesting to me that he says that having many small QuarkX reactors require less control complexity than for large systems. Rossi says that they will ‘soon’ be able to produce large clusters of QuarkX’s, which would require the manufacturing facility would need to be in place. On the JONP Nils Fryklund asked about this: Are the plans on a factory together with ABB-robots in Sweden postponed due to security problems with Quark X? AR: No. So plans for manufacturing seem to be going ahead, however he doesn’t actually say whether the factory is ready yet. Rossi has mentioned organizing the round QuarkX AAA sorta battery like things into tubes of 5 for ease of replacement.   A long tube of 5 would be 100 watts of heat, and 10 long tubes would be 1,000 watts of heat.     Yes, you could build a room radiator type heater off of these things, but the cost per QuarkX would have to be very low at the considerable quantities needed for replacement/recharge each year. Rossi is driving towards a first saleable product, this first product may not be "optimal" but  as long as it actually is made and sold, then normal good 'ol human ingenuity will improve on it year on year on year (once people can buy design rights to design their own products using the Rossi tech, anyway). :) It is also quite clear Rossi intends to supersede the tech that IH thinks that they own, pending getting a favorable court decision that IH did indeed forfeit all rights to Rossi's tech by welshing on that last 89m payment.   Unless Rossi gets a favorable decision from the court, then the old long welded up "low temperature" bar style of reactor core is PERMANENTLY last years news, likely forever. Remember, that long welded stuff was COP of 50 (and quite amazing at the time) but people are now looking at COP over 100 out of what Rossi is doing right now, with the COP going over 200 when it decides it likes itself and starts up one of them "heat bump episodes" that Rossi is struggling to understand and control.   And at over 1,500o F so you need to get a good feel for just how HOT hot can be. Let me bend your mind a bit about this tech being used inside my proposed small radiator style room heater.   You have a Rossi little AAA battery 5 cell set inside a tube inside a tube inside a tube inside the water filled radiator system.    Why?   The Rossi cells actually run at a blindingly bright white hot state and that  1) is a fire hazard and  2) that puts out a bright light of mixed frequencies you may not want to be looking at, ever.   Think of looking at an arc welder ..... AND, for some good paranoid radiation protection (and to put in a relatively inexpensive liquid that can stand the heat transfer duty being asked of it between the first shell and the second shell) is a fair thickness of LEAD which always melts in use and acts like a convection transfer fluid.   Rossi has used lead for this use all along, but it has never been needed it more since he now has a point source for the heat instead of a large flat area plate or long rectangular bar type heat source. Second to third shell is filled with a fluid from the current nuclear transfer fluid list, which will convection transfer from the molten lead filled shell to the water in the radiator, something which can get quite hot but not be heat destroyed over time.   So by this method you go from a super above white hot point source to a gentle room heating radiator, giving you ample thermal and radiation protection levels, naturally. Lets talk about some of the odd "running effects" which are just now being mentioned at all.   There are apparently types of new non-radiation effects are NOT being documented and NOT discussed openly until shielding for the same is all worked out and PATENTED.   When Rossi says "safety" think of a unknown effect that requires shielding, shielding that is certainly patent-able and will delay things until the patents are actually granted. Some of these running effects are things only seen at CERN before, things that question our current time/space model of matter and how it works normally. It isn't radiation like we think of it today, but instead is listed as "some sort of Other effects".  Think of something akin to a residual magnetic field, but that has no detector developed yet apart from CERN labs and such that are just now seeing it ..... Rossi, you need to be careful old son -- remember Marie Curie, please. :-? There are 6 basically different methods of LENR that being investigated that we know about, plus 3-4 top secret military methods that are totally in the black at the moment.    Even if Rossi fails, somebody else will eventually succeed in making a commercially feasible method.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 10/19/16 at 18:46:05 Next issue is Rossi's current backers (ABB ???) are giving him requirements to meet that are industry standard requirements and that are well understood by certifying bodies. http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/10/20/rossi-quarkx-commercialization-depends-of-5-sigma/ We mentioned recently here that Andrea Rossi is focusing hard on obtaining a 5 Sigma rating for his Quark X reactor (5 Sigma in physics being a probability that an event happening the same way every time is 99.9999%). It seems that now that there is a very practical reason for striving to reach this goal: Rossi confirms that it has been set for him by a current partner. October 19, 2016 at 4:05 PM Dear Andrea, Based on your comments here recently I am trying to get a clearer picture of what is going on at Leonardo Corp. currently, and what might be going on in the future. 1. You mention that your goal is to reach 5 sigma. Is this the focus of your work at the moment? AR: yes 2. Is 5 sigma a goal your partner has a requirement for, before a new level of support is provided? AR: yes 3. The demonstration/presentation you talk about: Will this only happen if 5 sigma is reached? AR: yes 4. Do you think reaching 5 sigma will trigger mass production of the QuarkX reactors? AR: yes 5. Is 5 sigma connected also with the low temperature E-Cat plants? AR: no Thank you very much, Frank Acland This is also part and parcel of getting that Industrial Certification for full production, which any EU nation would require before investing to build a production facility. So, Rossi is building the old tech at less than 5 sigma in Florida, while working hard to unlock his proposed E-CatX automated production facilities by overcoming the barriers to 5 sigma automated production methodologies. One of the things he has done is to tune down the output level per cell from 100 watts down to 20 watts, which means the understressed individual cells can last over 2 years now instead of just one.   And his redundancy level has doubled naturally as well (along with his cell count). Rossi is dancing to the tune called by his partners, and they want normal commercial statistical assurances of known good performance. Issue is that brand new tech doesn't come with known good performance guarantees Rossi is choking on having to downshift performance so durn much just to get a few extra sigma in reliability. His stuff really isn't ready for 5 or 6 sigma, really, and Rossi's tech will wind up eventually moving over to a set of partners who will fund him at the 3-4 sigma level (normal old school performance standards) while running at higher output levels. However, Rossi is getting some good education right now that will do him some good service later on.     Plus he is getting good tech support in areas where he is weak right now.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/04/16 at 13:54:14 As has been mentioned, LENR first showed its face over 100 years ago in arc lights and in open arc welding.   It was NOT recognized by science as they could not explain it at all .....  so in true group think they ignored it. Now, after both LENR and the EM Drive having been proven to be real, but NOT explained by science, some eyes have popped open and folks are openly discussing other "known anomalies". Article: ‘Anomalous Heat detected in Lead Carbon Hydrogen Systems’ (Looking For Heat) Posted on December 4, 2016 by Frank Acland • 4 Comments Thanks to Alan Smith from Looking For Heat who has forwarded me a link to a new article published on the LFH website titled “Anomalous Heat detected in Lead Carbon Hydrogen Systems: Simple and Accessible, But is it LENR?” Authors are Alan Smith, Sam Hansson and Martin Moore. The full text is available at: http://www.lookingforheat.com/anomalous-heat-detected-in-lead-carbon-hydrogen-systems/ Here’s the abstract: While investigating the electrolytic activation of granular carbon for use as a catalyst for generating pure hydrogen from water and a metallic hydroxyl ion acceptor, members of a research group here and in the USA witnessed sudden and unexpected evolution of considerable amounts of thermal energy, and the release of what is probably Beta radiation. In all cases this resulted in (at least) the breaching of the electrolysis cell. We present a full account of the test methodology, a hypothesis for the origin of the heat element of this event, and offer assistance to researchers who would like to investigate this further. This stuff would be dirt cheap to do, if they can figure out how to start it and stop it and control it in the in-between times.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/06/16 at 01:17:29 Parkhomov (the grandfatherly Russian with the cute niece) has pulled together a very nice scholarly documented slide presentation of the state of free and open source LENR progress.   It is a clear and relatively current statement of what works at the 2.8 COP small reactor level.     My room heater could run off this stuff ...... https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz7lTfqkED9Wdm1NeEtxMFJLTmM/view ========================================== http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/12/05/rossi-interview-in-italian-elements-magazine/ Rossi Interview in Italian Elements Magazine (Update: English Translation — Rossi Claims COP of 200 or More) Rossi grants an extensive interview with Italian science magazine.    Some of the things dropped by the magazine writer's questions about the Industrial Heat Lawsuit (things that Rossi said he couldn't answer during the trial period) paint a picture of duplicity on the part of Industrial Heat.    If these things were true and the trial went to a jury that could award damages beyond the suit amount, then the creation of IH as a cut out company for Cherokee Investments might be needed. Rossi did respond again on the COP question, with a non-specific mostly positive answer when asked if his current 20 watt version had a COP over 200.    "Will each cell last more than a year", "it is very possible" was another Rossi vague answer.   Rossi isn't the king of clear and concise, but the master of the vague answer when asked about sensitive issues. Rossi did say that the current 5 Sigma test was on track for February and that further commercialization is dependent on the test coming to a successful conclusion. Mills at Brilliant Light has put on another very short run technical demo, showing that his stuff can run for a short while without burning up at this time ...... This LENR stuff is real and it is getting closer and closer to commercialization.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/12/16 at 03:52:07 http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/12/09/rossi-us-military-engineer-performing-third-party-testing-on-the-quarkx/ Rossi: US Military Engineer Performing Third Party Testing on the QuarkX Posted on December 9, 2016 by Frank Acland • 62 Comments Andrea Rossi has been posting on the Journal of Nuclear Physics about some new testing that has been taking place at Leonardo laboratory. Here are some of the comments and Q&As from the JONP about the testing. Q: Can you tell us more abut the test on course today with the QuarkX? AR: It is a measurement made by a third party: it is confirming our data so far. 1. Is this third party a potential customer or partner? AR: no, he is an engineer from a military concern of the USA. 2. What was tested, and how long did the test take? AR: is on course a three days test of the COP and the stability, which means reliability 3. What has been their response to what they have witnessed? AR: so far so good ( hoping this is not a case in analogy with the guy arrived at the height of the 3rd floor after falling from the 10th floor ) 4. What do you think will be impact on commercialization of your technology? AR: substantial Q: Dr. Rossi, some people might have concerns about being involved with the military, clearly you do not feel this way. Obviously they can contribute enormously to the development of your reactors, though they might introduce complexities such as secrecy. What is your opinion on working with the military? Do you see them as simply customers like any other? AR: The engineer who is working with us is not a customer, he is a very skilled man from whom I am learning and that is making a fantastic job with the measurements. I prefer military engineers, because their preparation is superior in average. Q: I hope that the military will not seek to have exclusive access to your products. Do you think that is a possibility? AR: no 1 – Do you trust this third party individual implicitly and whole heartedly? AR: yes 2 – Will this individual witness the construction of the Quark (s) that are too be tested? AR: yes 3 – Will a control or “dummy” Quark be utilized in the testing as a real time comparison? AR: useless: every system with a COP = 1 or less is comparable 4 – Will he be informed as to the fuel composition of the Quark? AR: no 5 – Will he only be testing for thermal output or also electrical? AR: thermal 6 – Will the test be recorded from start to finish on video? AR: no 7 – Will he be writing a paper about the results of the test, positive or negative? AR: no: internal Q: Is the military engineer the same person who came to see you previously, and who helped you solve the problem with the QuarkX reactors overheating? I recall he was from California. AR: No, this one is another and I work with both of them. As usual, we have only the report from Rossi here, and we should make of this what we will. This third party testing is apparently only for internal purposes, so we are unlikely to ever see a report come out of this. An internal third-party test from a military engineer could be useful for Leonardo to have on hand for marketing purposes, even if it was made available on an NDA basis. OK, Rossi is checking off all his pre-production boxes, getting all ready to present a CONFIRMATION TESTED device that has a credible military expert witness who has just conducted a 3 day confirmation run.   By February Rossi will have also completed a EU 5 Sigma Certification process run as well.   Rossi has learned a lot from the IH mess, and he is doing things somewhat differently this time around.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/13/16 at 04:16:11 Take what follows with a grain of salt -- this BEV group is supposedly being chaired by Bill Gates himself --- using his own money, not the Gates Foundation's money. http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/12/12/global-business-innovators-launch-1-billion-investment-fund-for-next-generation-energy-technologies-press-release/ The Breakthrough Energy Coalition (BEC) is launching a new fund that will invest in innovative companies to deliver the next generation of reliable, affordable, and emissions-free energy, agriculture, and goods to people around the world. SEATTLE – Today, members of the Breakthrough Energy Coalition (BEC) have committed to invest more than $1 billion in Breakthrough Energy Ventures (BEV), an investor-led fund that will finance emerging energy breakthroughs to deliver affordable and reliable energy with the goal of reducing global greenhouse gas emissions to near-zero. “It is extremely exciting for us to launch this fund as the next step in the commitment made by the Breakthrough Energy Coalition last year,” said BEV Chairman Bill Gates. “I am honored to work along with these investors to build on the powerful foundation of public investment in basic research. Our goal is to build companies that will help deliver the next generation of reliable, affordable, and emissions-free energy to the world.” What this does signal is that LENR is going to be going commercial soon, and this is the only real vehicle seen so far to get in on the ground floor investment-wise. Gates is a money-grubbing "IP sharer" from way way back, so if Bill comes 'a knocking make sure you know where all your IP is before you let him in  ......

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/13/16 at 07:47:10 I don't have sufficiently negative words to explain how I see Bill and Melinda Gates. Rossi needs to steer clear.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/13/16 at 23:12:00 It's worse, "Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Jack Ma other investors worth $170 billion are launching a clean-energy fund" It's the Rich Dudes Club, in other words .....   good news is that the military or the court system can't slow or stop these guys -- way way way too much power for a gov agency to do anything about.   They would simply step out overseas if somebody tried to get in their way. http://https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBh2aHR0cHM6Ly9xenByb2QuZmlsZXMud29yZHByZXNzLmNvbS8yMDE2LzEyL2JpbGwtZ2F0ZXMtcGFyaXMtY2xpbWF0ZS1jaGFuZ2UuanBnP3F1YWxpdHk9ODAmc3RyaXA9YWxsJnc9ODAwJmg9NDAwJmNyb3A9MRT4CxSeBhwUhAYUlAMAABYAEgA&s=oFkwLgbM5jREvss_mlNQTyD7_Yx14XxciBI4qxBOzYk

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/15/16 at 18:54:00 http://www.e-catworld.com/ Just pull it up and LOOK at it --- all choked with final pre-commercialization tests, "expert" 3rd party measurement audits, and the formation of advisory boards and the building of multi-billion $$$ stock fund consortiums. Might you think something's getting ready to fly ?????     ::)         'Ol steely eyes up above intends to own a chunk of it, too.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/17/16 at 15:33:31 Own Steal Or Kill

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/18/16 at 22:25:55 Bad news is that once you offer a stock, you got no control over who buys it.   Mills has done this already but Rossi has not -- all the deals he makes are very controlled at this point in time.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/21/16 at 09:57:11 EMDRIVE: CHINA CLAIMS SUCCESS WITH THIS 'REACTIONLESS' ENGINE FOR SPACE TRAVEL NASA ALSO HAS HIGH HOPES FOR THE THEORETICAL ENGINE By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer  December 19, 2016 http://www.popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/styles/medium_1x_/public/images/2016/12/emdrive1_1.jpg?itok=B9O2JOvO&fc=50,50 .....  proof-of-concept unit is currently undergoing zero-g testing in orbit (according to the International Business Times, this test is taking place on the Tiangong 2 space station). China has ongoing plans to build an autonomous unit that can be steered by radio control and sent completely away from Earth's electromagnetic field, exercised some, then told to come back to the space station. Hey, does this sound more like a satellite maintenance/recovery machine, or more like a military "steal your satellite" space weapon? I think it sounds kinda like an autonomous "heavy metals scout" for use in the asteroid belt .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/22/16 at 00:11:12 Could it be a Roomba? Sweeping up the junk we've got flying around out there would be great.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 12/22/16 at 01:16:11 Yes capturing old satellites would be worth a lot of money because of the componentry that's in there is very expensive.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by verslagen1 on 12/22/16 at 07:50:38 2B343235282F1E2E1E26343873410 wrote: Could it be a Roomba? Sweeping up the junk we've got flying around out there would be great. That would be a Spaceba   8-) and they need one bad.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Todd James on 01/06/17 at 07:49:33   January 5, 2017 Berkeley Clean Technology Company Announces Breakthrough for LENR Power Devices I think that this is the most credible confirmation to date of a fully functioning Low Energy Nuclear Reaction ("Cold Fusion") power device. The testing and validation was performed by SRI International, an independent, nonprofit research institute headquartered in Menlo Park, California. Excerpts from the press release: Researchers at SRI International are reporting that they have successfully replicated “over unity” amounts of thermal energy for Brillouin Energy's most advanced Isoperibolic Hydrogen Hot Tube reactor test systems based on controlled low energy nuclear reactions (“LENR”). In its Report, SRI summarizes its extensive testing of five identical Brillouin Energy metallic reactor cores, which produced the same over-unity controlled heat outputs, turning the reaction heat on and off repeatedly. "Brillouin Energy appears to have achieved its most groundbreaking test results to-date." Link to the press release of 1/5/17: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/01/prweb13961529.htm Link to SRI International website: https://www.sri.com/about Link to Wikipedia entry about SRI International: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRI_International Link to Brillouin Energy's website: http://brillouinenergy.com/

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/06/17 at 12:46:39 Yep, Brillouin and Mills are both pressing forward trying to collect millions of investor dollars before February when Rossi goes public. Everyone senses that commercialization is beginning and that if you aren't out there now you get left at the starting gate.   This is the ground floor, place your wagers here.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/07/17 at 21:07:35 Where? How? I remember how the first investors in Gates venture did.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/08/17 at 15:08:39 It is funny, Rossi isn't taking any investment dollars from the public at large right now and he has something that is approaching the manufacturing stage. Mills is at late prototype stage on a new idea and Brillouin is stuck on his same old ideas  (plus some Rossi tricks he got from IH that he has no real IP rights to). Two of the teams will eventually take Millions in direct investment dollars from investors who won't ever see a cent back.    Both Mills and Brillouin have already burned through 10s of millions of dollars "developing" their ideas. Rossi has a business partner now, and as soon as they become known buy some stock in them.   They are real and will take the Rossi ideas and make something real out of them.   They will make a profit and part of it will flow to you. Should Rossi's partner or Leonardo itself ever split off a direct E-Cat corporation and offer a stock to the public, then buy that.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/08/17 at 16:20:20 I'll follow the thread. I would not remember this. But, on your best judgment, I'll place a bet. Just say when..

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/11/17 at 17:46:05 Rossi supposedly reacts to other groups getting ready to start collecting "his" 10's of millions of production plant investment dollars.    He schedules a show and tell, then he supposedly leaks a calculated leak that likely contains some truth and some mis-direction in order to keep folks away from the real IP details he has developed over the last year. When he said "thousands of cells" he supposedly meant it -- according to this they are ceramic printed "en masse" on a ceramic circuit board.   They are control/powered in common and the insert itself has a declining life span according to the amount of little tiny cells still active (they die over a per-cell life span that is shortened by load and by mgf. defects).   When enough cells die the entire board cannot make the required heat and the entire board gets pulled and replaced.   Since it starts out at a over-capacity population and very low load per cell, life around a year or more is very possible.   Which is why the same unit can do a heavier work load, but it would simply last a shorter period of time. Expect some noise over this, even if it is a total photoshop it makes Brillouin's stuff look like a joke and relegates the Mills sun cell to public utility plant scale implementations.  According to this photoshop, Rossi can do a neighborhood or home implementation, those hot water exchangers on the desk are just that. Mills stuff has advantages if done large -- make no mistake about this.   We know Rossi can do big (his existing ideas have been as long as two yards long) and Rossi can also do automotive size and home size.  A company using Rossi tech could do my room heater, very neatly and easily. Rossi and Mills cover the same turfs as Brillouin, but might do it much much better, leaving Brillouin out in the cold. http://https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/gJmOnDaESbx5KqDD4vHgOnvsUhxZ4zpmvfdwq0dVU7n9_yCe8S2WpoFNt6NYvmM_0soFMNnrPI2oRfbN-ZE_mgtPglax4mQMzjGkc7gW5V4HHjmj2zYoX6WGgvAXuXqBZRLU=w500-h750 Click on the pic until you get it to the full sized origin pic, then copy it to your desktop then enlarge it and scan around it and look at all the fine details -- everything you see was planned out very carefully by somebody. By doing it NON-verbally Rossi could avoid his language issues, entanglements with his court case and you simply cannot accuse Rossi of lying based on YOUR INTERPRETATIONS of a picture he makes no claims over at all, and it is obviously a photoshopped pic that was actually leaked from a left hand source so that it is completely deniable by Rossi if need be.   Rossi can just claim it was a photoshopped collage of pictures from his earlier Hot Cat work. Check Rossi's forehead staining and his hair roots -- that is one fresh die job if I ever saw one.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/11/17 at 18:15:37 http://https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-catworld.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F09%2FIMG_6549.jpg&key=AIhdEq-v295h2WHPByb24w&w=600&h=433 It is a photoshop of an old photograph with lots of additions from the Hot Cat historical past and with some theorieticals on how "thousands of cells" could be economically produced. It does generate interest in the upcoming show and tell, and it does cause investors to pause for a month or so until the demo goes off. Likely Rossi didn't do this -- he isn't that interested in Photoshop as a software. GO UP THREAD ONE POST TO SEE THE PHOTOSHOPPED "REVELATION" PICTURE

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 01/22/17 at 20:53:59 http://www.e-catworld.com/2017/01/21/announcing-the-development-of-20-million-xprize-for-abundant-clean-energy-technologies-david-niebauer/ Announcing the Development of $20 Million+ XPrize for Abundant Clean Energy Technologies Posted on January 21, 2017 by Frank Acland • 25 Comments The following post has been submitted by David Niebauer The future of humanity requires a new primary energy generation technology that is clean, abundant, safe, and affordable. Renewables such as solar PV and wind do not provide the energy density or reliability necessary for a true energy transformation. We have relied on the oldest technology known to man – the burning of fossil fuels – for far too long. It is time to aggressively expand our search. I am convinced that we are on the cusp of uncovering new primary sources of energy that will radically transform our world. I am on a mission to discover and promote these new technologies. Together with my partners, I have executed an agreement with the X-Prize Foundation to develop a Prize to stimulate innovation, investment and public awareness. The XPrize Foundation has engaged their sister organization, HeroX, to use a crowd-sourcing platform to help develop the parameters and testing protocols for the Prize itself. You can link to the prize development challenge here: https://herox.com/AbundantCleanEnergy We have created a dedicated Wiki designed for collecting citations, relevant references, and background research relating to different energy generation technologies. Among other areas, we will be investigating: •      Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR) of various designs •      Energy generators sourcing energy from Ionosphere/Van Allen Belt/Vacuum •      Energy capture from gravity •      Energy capture from permanent magnets •      More hydrogen generated from water than predicted by chemistry •      Zero Point Energy •      Advanced solar technologies resulting in higher efficiency – eg., optical rectenna •      Reactionless generators and/or regenerative motors The prize development process will run through March 2017 after which we intend to participate in the XPrize Visioneering Summit to be held in the fall of 2017. Soon thereafter we anticipate launching a $20 Million + X-Prize for Abundant Clean Energy. Why an X-Prize? “An XPRIZE is a highly leveraged, incentivized prize competition that pushes the limits of what’s possible to change the world for the better. It captures the world’s imagination and inspires others to reach for similar goals, spurring innovation and accelerating the rate of positive change.”      — from the XPrize Foundation website We have decided to pursue an XPrize for new energy technologies for three primary reasons. First, the XPrize format is designed to stimulate innovation and investment. After this announcement Rossi stated he would not be doing his February show and tell, but instead he would be working on his lawsuit and mebbe, just mebbe putting together his entry into this 20 million dollar X prize show and tell.   The Billion Dollar Boys Club is beginning to push down and on past the DOD and CIA to get to the actual squelched energy techs that have actually happened in the last 10 years ...... The old murders that have been done (various wetworks) to stop these things are kinda sorta known, but have been downplayed extensively in the historical past -- they are now being dug up and when taken in context begin to show a pattern.   You can't silence the BDBC as a group, they swing way too much ass to be stopped by a covert DOD/CIA action.   The flashlight of publicity is being used to expose covert past actions and to prevent any current covert cover up games as well. In the age of Trump all gov. based covert people had best go back into their holes unless their new Daddy calls them out for his own reasons. ::) ================================================================= You noticed Thorium Reactors are not on the list for the prize?    This is because that tech has been fully realized at this point in time and   IT WORKS  just fine.    China is making a lot of progress on it as are the Scandinavians. https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/160131-thorium-nuclear-reactor-trial-begins-could-provide-cleaner-safer-almost-waste-free-energy The gist is that plutonium breeder reactors are NOT NEEDED ANY MORE unless you plan to build more atomic bombs.   This is also a pathway to GET RID OF ALL THE URANIUM/PLUTONIUM WASTE that is just gonna sit around in holes for 10s of thousands of years otherwise.     Hot wastes from Thorium Reactors are only hot for a century or so and this Thorium rod waste is capable of being diluted in simple bury-able Thorium hot pot reactors to be even less dangerous.    All this requires is buying a new grade of reactor rod, your same old existing nuclear plants can be used to run it the end of its effective heat, then the exhausted rods are dumped in a hot pot Thorium reactor and the rod casings are melted clean then the steel casings floating on top are put in a hole for however long it takes for them to cool off.   The amount of waste and the hot time are greatly reduced by doing this.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 02/02/17 at 10:49:52 http://www.e-catworld.com/2017/01/31/rossi-vs-ih-et-al-rossis-team-publishes-daily-valuation-of-energy-multiple-for-1-year-e-cat-plant-test-claiming-cop-63-139/ As the court date approaches, Rossi’s legal team is chipping away at the various points of dispute, trying to remove as many points as possible pre-trial.   Here is their motion to remove IH's count that the process doesn't work at all -- yields zero power.   This claim was based on a zero pressure reading on the return leg of the steam line. Duh, this happens in steam plants when the steam condenses back into water, there never is any significant return pressure on a properly balanced plant, just a trickle of hot liquid water ..... HOWEVER, the data has been given out now and people have crunched their own spreadsheets showing an overall ongoing COP of 60-80 during the length of the data submitted.   This data was NOT collected by Rossi per se, which leaves IH's own employees or the data collection instruments of the Validation Engineer. When you peel off all the IH BS charges, it comes down to IH trying to use technicalities to gain access to ALL of Rossi's top secret IP without paying for it, then bitching when they couldn't steal what they hadn't purchased because in their off-site secret labs they couldn't make it work.     BTW, IH's people built the Lugano reactors -- Rossi supplied the fuel powder.   This is all in line with what was known and thought as proper by both parties at the time. IH was sold a license to sell Rossi devices in a chunk of the world, actually it was a transferal of an existing license originally held by Ampnegro, but IH thought it gave them rights to every secret sitting inside Rossi's skull.    Not what the agreement said.   You can build most of it, Leonardo supplies the powder and the control system. The courtroom and the 12 man jury will decide who gets paid what .... look to see IH fold up like a used wet paper bag and not have the $$$ to pay out.    Ditto for Cherokee, as they are named as a defendant as well (and are frantically transferring assets "elsewhere" and need more time to shift it all).   This is IH's fourth try to wriggle out of their original charges.   Judge says "No more wriggles, we go to trial next month." :-/ Andrea Rossi’s legal team has published a response to the Industrial Heat et al’s recently submitted Fourth Amended Answer in response to Rossi’s initial complaints in the case. The document itself is a motion to have the court deny leave for IH’s submission, and is full of legal arguments about why the judge should deny IH the right to submit another amended answer. The document can be read here. Much more interesting to me than the legal arguments (which are for me quite difficult to follow, as usual), is the submission of a new Exhibit which is titled: Final Report, Annexe 2: Daily Valuation of the Energy Multiple, which gives a daily accounting of the amount of energy used and produced by the E-Cat plant, along with information about temperature, steam pressure and water flow. The final column gives a daily accounting of the COP, which according to the document was consistently above 63, and up to 139. It’s not clear from this document who the author is — possibly it is Fabio Fulviani, Andrea Rossi, or Fabio Penon. But it does give a clear picture about what Rossi’s claims are in the case, however without any supporting evidence.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/13/17 at 14:31:34 https://thenewfire.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/167_plaintiffs_motion_for_sanctions_incl_prop_order_and_3_exhibits.pdf IH's credibility hits the big swirl in the center of the toilet You need to read the court docket info correctly, then (scroll to Document 167-1 on page 14): "The Plaintiffs’ Motion for Sanctions with Attached Exhibits is hereby GRANTED" CECILIA M. ALTONAGA, UNITED STATES DISTRICTJUDGE and: "The pleadings of Defendants Thomas Darden, Industrial Heat, LLC, and IPH International B.V. are hereby stricken, with prejudice, for engaging in bad faith litigation, including the attempted bribery and coercion of witnesses." etc. Yup, IH actually got caught attempting to bribe some "no bucks" Lugano professors and get them to change their original testimony -- they found out the hard way that the profs may be poor, but they are honest. This tossing out should thin the pack considerably, and make the court trial much shorter.   Jury selection should start soon .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/13/17 at 15:36:06 Sometimes my hope for humanity gets a boost.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Todd James on 03/13/17 at 23:05:21 Oldfeller Quoted: "The Plaintiffs’ Motion for Sanctions with Attached Exhibits is hereby GRANTED".... That is actually only a Proposed order on the Plaintiff's Motion. It is an attachment to the Plaintiff's motion : Their suggestion to the judge for how her order should be worded. It will be interesting to see how she rules on this.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/20/17 at 21:58:21 http://www.e-catworld.com/2017/03/18/mfmp-introduce-indian-ecco-project-with-claimed-cop-of-8/ They got an Indian research team led by Suhas Ralkar  "free and open sourcing"  ECCO STEAMIT, a new path to a COP = 8 LENR methodology.  These folks are asking for MFMP to please come document, verify and distribute the methodology over the internet after MFMP does an independent verification run back in the USA. Since this guy is doing it "open source" from the get go, expect his methods to get used, tested, theorized and improved upon very quickly by multiple international groups and then there will be a bunch of commercial enterprises who will be patenting and selling their own style of his reactors, control systems, etc, etc. etc. Characteristics of Reactor Simple ceramic and metal tubing construction, a loose powder charge that gets excited by ultra sound and a relatively low voltage DC 1 megahertz "easy to duplicate" excitation signal.   Turns on, boils water inside the reactor holding cell in about 5 minutes, runs for "as long as requested",  turns off instantly.   Takes 115 watts (a light bulb's worth) of input energy to yield a kilowatt of low temperature steam.   Sounds pretty useful to me. Applications can be scaled by need, could run a home hot water heating unit or a steam car, etc. etc. etc. Since your powder is a fine loose pack and it gets "liquidized" on purpose in use by the ultra sound vibration, it can obviously get "flowed out" and easily replaced when it gets worn out. Will this run afoul of any not-yet-issued patents applied for by Rossi, Brillouin or Mills ???     Well, the method is somewhat unique and it is TOTALLY OPEN SOURCE as of first issuance, so it is hard to frame a lawsuit on such a thing.   Also the basic idea can never be patented by anybody past this current time of announcement since it is stated as OPEN SOURCE. ======================================= MFMP has asked their list readers for donated travel money for a second verification return trip to go to India "to see the reactor run long term in detail first hand" with their own gauging in place and they got those donations from their MFMP readers inside of one (1) hour, then collected enough funds to buy the necessary ultrasound equipment by hour #2 and have enough bucks to build reactors by hour #4 and then got in some larger donations and asked their folks to please stop sending funds until the intended uses for the money could be identified. ======================================= This stuff is going to be built from the ground up at MFMP from local pipe and plumbing and very publicly tested.   Also, in conversation it is mentioned that this is a completely different methodology from me356's which is going into final test methodologies on multiple commercially tooled reactors -- however me356's is a patented pending work and is held as completely secret at this time. This makes up 6 different ways now to do LENR and it is becoming very obvious that once you get the primary ideas of cleaning the oxides off the powders, hydrogen loading the powders and using various Titanium Hydride. Lithium Hydroxide, Potassium, Carbon and Aluminum powders  and  other "helper" elements you can get LENR reactions to go a variety of different ways. A DC pulse at 1 megahertz is the "control frequency secret" for this one and the potential use of xenon gas in the chamber instead of a vacuum may be a way to get some better plasma cloud creation compared to the current simple lab pump vacuum it out good. This laps the original tech that Rossi originally contracted the North and South American sales region to IH for 110 million dollars .......    and it also renders the IP lawsuit fight sorta moot (it now just becomes about raw $$$ owed on a breached contract). This also breaks up the sneaky "hold it up" actions put on LENR by the US Government & Military.   If folks begin to die again in mysterious fashions yet again, we know where to look.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/21/17 at 17:24:33 http://www.e-catworld.com/2017/03/21/new-paper-by-rossi-and-gullstrom-reports-quarkx-experiment-calculated-cop-22000/ Rossi comes out of his shell of silence New Paper By Rossi and Gullström Reports QuarkX Experiment — Calculated COP >22,000 Posted on March 21, 2017 by Frank Acland With the Indian OPEN SOURCE COP=8 STEAMIT PROJECT lead by Suhas Ralkar now showing us how to prepare and execute LENR steam heaters and with Mills and Brillouin both going after capitalization funding for their pilot systems Andrea Rossi has been moved out of his self-isolated turtle shell to a degree or three. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.05249.pdf   This is a world class presentation paper made by Carl-Oscar Gullström and Andrea Rossi which explains technically what happens in QuarkX and I am struck by a few of the similarities between use of Nickel electrodes and conductive plasmas between Shuhas Ralkar's system and Rossi's QuarkX. Suhas Ralkar by his own admission is still groping towards his Open Source answers and is asking for some help from MFMP.   The Open Source Community is more than willing to help him and is doing so. Rossi is year(s) further along, he has his reactor more fully optimized and he is doing 5 sigma certification testing heading towards full production certifications.   This .pdf is Rossi's stake in the sand, it is wonderfully explained and tech-written by Oscar Gullström and it should be able to be reprinted by technical journals or referred to as it sits in .pdf format for peer review.   To a layman, it appears to be a historical type world shifting document. Rossi's reactors are much smaller and use static powders that do not require being agitated by ultra sonics.   Rossi's work has a much much much higher COP as his stuff is much further along in development, using very very heat resistant tubes, etc. etc. Suhas Ralkar is currently getting a COP of 8 using hardware and lab supply store standard hardware. Rossi is getting a COP of ~ 22,000 ......  and if Rossi can indeed suck enough direct electricity out of the system using graphine nanotubes to equal or exceed the amount of wall socket power he is using to drive his QuarkX then it can be argued to have an "infinite" COP at no cost other than initial hardware and replacement powder/reactors. However, I have a point to make -- at a COP of 8 and good old 3 sigma style reliability on a low cost system you have the equivalent of a hot water heater based home heating system.   For very little money invested or yearly cost to run it. Millions of Americans have heating systems today that are of similar reliability yet burn natural gas which is quite expensive. Go to market guys, quit screwing around trying to make it technically perfect.   I am sure India needs heat and power and clean purified distilled water to drink, etc. etc.   So do we. AND BTW,   please ship me a room heater when you get them into production. :-?     :-?     :-?     :-? BIG Question for the lawyers, since Rossi delayed putting his tech paper out until the 21st and MFMP published Suhas Ralkar's work 2 days earlier, is this all Open Source now ???     How does Rossi's various ungranted patent applications that are pending on QuarkX affect all of this ???? Did a perhaps intentional leak from some of IH's black project people somehow prompt this "very similar" Open Source process revelation and intentionally disrupt a 100 million dollar IP lawsuit that IH was busy losing it by the numbers right about now ?????? Outside observers do tend to agree, IH and Cherokee and their lawyers are all about very clever dirty tricks when circling about the ownership of disputed Intellectual Properties, you know.   If Suhas Ralkar's 2 day old declared Open Source Work results in an Open Source decision on this version of LENR,  then IH gets to use the whole bag of Rossi tricks that they so desperately want to use for free, right along with everybody else.   And nobody has to pay Rossi what he is due .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 03/24/17 at 17:39:24 http://www.e-catworld.com/2017/03/23/rossi-v-ih-final-penon-report-published-in-court-documents-among-many-others-plant-consistently-produced-energy-that-is-at-least-six-times-greater-than-the-energy-consumed/ OK, folks, meat and potatoes time.   The Penon final results document has been posted and it is in evidence at this time.  The document includes all the monthly reports and they add up to a simple statement -- at no time did the COP ever go below 6, was generally always over 8 and it got up higher, up to around COP = 20 to 50 but then a reactor was cut off because of the steam overproduction.   ..... STEAM OVERPRODUCTION .....    (the plants were designed anticipating a COP of 4 which was the contracted COP number) Please remember, IH agreed to Penon as the referee, and they approved the gaging and the placement of the gages, indeed they duplicated Penon's set ups with their own monitoring devices, which saw the same levels of results.   IH stopped paying Penon there at the end and tried to get him to quit, but he hung in to the end and even paid to get his gaging all checked by a calibration house when he took his rig out so as to prove the gages started out healthy and ended healthy. Rossi v. IH — Final Penon Report Published in Court Documents (Among Many Others); “Plant Consistently Produced Energy that is at Least Six Times Greater than the Energy Consumed” Posted on March 23, 2017 by Frank Acland There have been a great number of new documents posted in the Rossi v. Industrial Heat case. Over the last day documents 194-207, along with many accompanying exhibits, have been added to the court docket, and they can all be read here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BzKtdce19-wyb1RxOTF6c2NtZkk (thanks again to Eric Walker for making them available). I have not had time to go through them all so far, but I thought it would be important to bring attention to the document that many people have been hoping to see, which is the final report of Fabio Penon — who was chosen as the expert responsible for validation (ERV). :-/ THIS IS EXACTLY THE SORT OF CRAP THAT HAPPENED WHEN ELECTRICITY WAS COMING UP AS A BRAND NEW TECHNOLOGY ...... ::)        .....  Remember ol' Edison, electrocuting an aging circus elephant with a main tower line sized charge of AC high voltage current piped directly from the new Niagara Falls power station ??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoKi4coyFw0      Look quick as PETA will have this pulled off YouTube asasp ..... makes me kinda mad at Edison as his foolish adherence to an overcome technology shows that he could not accept change that affected his stuff at all.   Reminds me of Intel in a way ....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 04/20/17 at 18:48:17 Why would Rossi subject himself to all the legal crap and dissension and character assassination he is going through right now? Well, to be allowed to stay alive by the Black Hats is one very compelling reason. Dr. Eugene Malove tried to do it straight without giving any ground to the "vested interest" and "military secrets" people and they put one 9mm round into his forehead at the end of his parents driveway one morning while he was picking up their paper -- just to shut him the frick up. WARNING:  this is long, but it covers what got him killed very neatly with him doing all the talking his very own self .... https://youtu.be/6y98YwJ2GEE?t=364 [media]https://youtu.be/6y98YwJ2GEE?t=364[/media]

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/20/17 at 19:01:30 https://pesn.com/archive/2010/04/02/9501633_Two_Arrested_Six_Years_After_Mallove_Murder/index.html Beat to death,, YaKnow, start threatening to upset the entire power structure and you might get killt.  Or, just a Real Sorry coincidence..

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/01/17 at 10:50:54 http://www.e-catworld.com/2017/04/29/images-of-me356-aura-control-system-published/ OK, as Rossi prepares to go into court for a month or so a new SECOND person has stepped forth with an operating LENR set up that is capable of giving me my lead lined transfer fluid filled totally safe LENR room heater. ME356 joins the group that is using MFMP as their verification function.   He has a working system and can also provide a CONTROL BOX complete to run his reactors. And yes, boys and girls, that is indeed a Raspberry Pi 3 board under the removable cover, attached to some various other sorts of high frequency voltage controlling sorts of stuff. Nothing all that esoteric or expensive, in other words.   Has understandable stuff in it, the sorts of stuff that you could understand if you have an electrical engineering background. There are no COP output claims put out for this device at this time, but there is some mention of a COP of 10 being run for 3 months at a lick ..... The India guy is getting COP of 8 steadily but he requires an ultrasound generator as part of his rig up. ..... "good old plain and simple" Parkhomov Russian style is the inspiration behind this one .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by buster6315 on 05/01/17 at 16:20:42 17343C3E3D34343D2A580 wrote: http://media.idownloadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/apple-car-concept.jpg This and the other electrics are coming, you know. I wouldn't be investing in new refineries either ...... Where does the power to charge the batteries come from?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/01/17 at 19:59:21 I think Apple and Tesla both are thinking solar, with the battery farms storing the energy for night time use. I must admit that the Tesla battery cars are doing better than I thought they would do, but I am not deluded because I know that most of our grid power here in the USA comes from dam based hydro power generation and from coal burning steam plants. ======================================= Rossi is not unique, others have LENR ideas that seem to be working out just fine.   Really now, I think that distributing these ideas around (licensing them properly) will allow the generation of low cost heat and power to move much much faster than the inventors just sitting on it hoping to be granted a controlling patent --- eventually. I have doubts this "total LENR patent" will ever happen, as more evidence is mounting up that LENR occurs naturally in the earth's crust (can make them molten pimples we call volcanoes that really do occur apart from tectonic plates sliding over each other sometimes).   You can't patent naturally occurring processes.   You can patent a control system and a reactor design, though. Rossi is much further along than he admits (I believe this has always been true. btw) and even so he hits up on material issues and on process control issues that seem to fall outside his skill set and he stops and needs to seek out technical help on occasion. These newer guys are still struggling to get it started reliably and then to keep the LENR fire going over the long term, but Rossi has proceeded to the point he struggles to find containers (materials) strong enough to contain the fires he can easily light and maintain for a year at a lick. Rossi has run his Doral reactor non-stop for a year and he has run 3 of his newer small QuarkX reactors for more than six months a piece now. He is now being actively delayed by the powers that be, using his old partner Cherokee/IH as a hand brake to keep his progress slowed nearly to a halt.    They intend to keep Rossi tied up until he dies of old age or radiation induced cancer (5-10 more years give or take). Hey Rossi, fuel it for 5-10 years then stuff your reactor inside a welded sealed double walled container, fill the inter wall space completely full with molten lead and then stick that heavy little sucker inside a fluid filled portable room heater -- and then sell the completed safe LENR room heater assembly to me.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/03/17 at 13:11:07 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qbG-p8qKbuFnPOdkm0XgwJpUvzHSvWM84-geOCF38pw/edit# Is it correct that this AURA test is to be a black box test of your technology? Yes What else will you reveal about your technology? Unfortunately probably nothing about how it works. Assuming our testing validates your claim, what do you intend to do with your technology afterwards? It will be tested widely (at least 100 reactors) for a few months. Then just selling it worldwide. Have you read the test plan as described in the plan for the ECCO device in India?  Do you have any concerns? Unfortunately not yet, I have no spare time at the moment. My main focus is designing the reactor enclosure. Is steam the only feasible output of your device as it is now? With the current reactor - yes. In the months of May and June of 2017, MFMP will have several large (and likely exciting) projects on our plate.  The projects are summarized below. AURA - Validation Testing of a claimed LENR Device in Eastern Europe with a COP of 10 done black-box style with no details of how the device actually works. NOVA - Demonstration and Validation of a LENR device by George Egely claimed to produce dramatic transmutations in a microwave driven dusty plasma.    This one disrupts the idea that new atoms of the heavier elements can only occur during star nova events, that instead heavy elements combine up naturally due to mantle level LENR activity that occurs in nature. ECCO- Validation Testing of a claimed LENR Device in India with a COP of 8 that will also include open publication of entire device and preparation processes.   HOMO - Characterization of samples from Alexander Parkhomov’s latest few experiments

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/17 at 15:48:49 It was effectively buried in the eye of the people. Some of us wondered about it. Will it be allowed to grow now? Will Rossi survive? Or will he get everything stolen? I'd feel safer if I was a twelve point buck with a target on both sides, in Texas..

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/05/17 at 10:55:40 Pretrial motions are all done now, and the two sets of attorneys have published The List of Things We Agree Upon and Need Not Contest (big trials do this to save courtroom time). The Ecat works at a COP of 8-20 -- agreed The entire court case now centers on if the 1 year test was conducted in such a way to key the payoff the 100 million payment or not. Rossi did some funny things, but only in response to IH's trying to screw him over -- so a human jury could go either way with it. 3 break outs are possible, two of these are versions of "give back what you got out of the arrangement, pay the court costs and go your merry way" and one is a flat out win win win for Rossi.   This trial is all about the IP rights, make no mistake about it. Courtroom magic by James Day is expected to happen .....  very dirty pool all the way is the norm for this sort of courtroom trial.

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/06/17 at 06:06:01 Seems like there's Enough Munnee involved that if they'd just not squabble, AND If it works, seems to me like everyone involved would be getting Oil Well money, only This o i l well doesn't dry up. Who Cares if someone gets a few million more?

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/12/17 at 17:58:40 http://www.e-catworld.com/2017/05/11/rossi-24-volt-battery-required-to-run-quarkx/ Rossi: 24 Volt Battery Input Required to Run QuarkX Posted on May 11, 2017 by Frank Acland • 25 Comments We get precious little detail about the QuarkX from Andrea Rossi, but yesterday there was a question and answer on the Journal of Nuclear Physics that might shed a bit of light on the battery requirements: XL May 10, 2017 at 1:59 PM Dear Dr Andrea Rossi, Which is the voltage you need from the batteries to use them as a power source? Andrea Rossi May 10, 2017 at 4:38 PM XL: 24 V Warm Regards, A.R. It’s not possible to determine input power from volts alone, and we have been told nothing regarding the control system that is used with the QuarkX, so this information does not reveal very much; however, it does indicate that as a practical matter, the battery input would be easy to arrange given the wide availability of batteries of that voltage range. According to Andrea Rossi there is no difference in the performance of the QuarkX whether the input is AC (grid) or DC (battery), and he stated again recently that his experiments using simple calorimetry confirm the same results as reported in the paper he authored with Carl-Oscar Gullstrom where the power output was calculated using Boltzmann and Wien equations (since temperature was determined by spectroscopy). In that case the calculated COP (based on the reported Watts in v. Watts out) was over 20,000. OK, as Rossi preps for court, he drops a little nugget ---- he has his 24volt DC Quark X model up and running reliably, so he is now prepped to do on-site courtroom demos at need should the trial seriously question the reality of his tech. This is smart, "seeing is believing" for a lot of normal people ..... Go Rossi, Go .....

Title: Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc Post by Oldfeller on 05/13/17 at 12:51:06 http://www.e-catworld.com/2017/05/13/lenr-patent-update-ceramic-element/ LENR Patent Update – Ceramic Element (Dennis Craven Patent Granted) Dennis Craven (of the Baker Craven Taylor group) has updated the patent, Ceramic Element. LENR Patent Update – “Ceramic element” US 8485791 B2 – Assignee – Brown-Cravens-Taylor (GRANT) Issued: Jul 16, 2013 – Priory date: Aug 31, 2009 A new name, new wording, abstract, etc. “Ceramic Heating Element”, published in August 2016. It has been granted. It’s interesting that 12 of the 14 patent citations were cited by the patent examiner. The inventor only cites two, one is the Rossi patent. Ceramic heating element http://www.google.com/patents/US9410721 US 9410721 B2 Publication type: Grant Application number: US 13/920,358 Publication date: Aug 9, 2016 Inventors: Dennis Cravens Original Assignee: Brown Cravens Taylor ABSTRACT A heating element that includes a ceramic material doped with various elements is described. The heating element can be heated by forcing a fuel to flow through the ceramic material, where the fuel interacts with the dopants. The interaction can produce energy in the form of heat. Inventive aspects of the present material include apparatus and methods for modulation of the heat energy, physical features providing for an increase in the rate of heat release, optimization of materials and material morphology for quantity and efficiency of heat release and provision for fueling and maintenance. I think they are saying they take a ceramic heating element, dope it on the inside with the catalyst elements then force "fuel" (hydrogen?) into the ceramic tube to react with the catalyst elements as it moves "osmosis style" through the ceramic heater rod.   In any case, it is a new way to skin the E-cat and this one is aimed right at room heaters. Rossi had better move quick when his court case is over, as he has a half dozen competitors who are NOT tied up in court right now.

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