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Reply #90 - 10/20/14 at 08:58:15
 

http://www.eweek.com/cloud/chromebook-sales-thanks-to-schools-to-grow-79-perc...



Chromebook Sales, Thanks to Schools, to Grow 79 Percent in 2014

"Chromebook sales this year will outperform 2013 sales by 79 percent, according to an Aug. 11 report from research firm Gartner. The primary demand for Chromebooks—inexpensive notebooks with operating systems based in the cloud, for easy updating and provisioning—has come from the education sector, which accounted for 85 percent of the 2.9 million units sold in 2013. But businesses, particularly in finance, real estate, banking and hospitality, should increasingly contribute to sales, said the report."

Remember, 2013 was the Year of the Chromebook, so topping that by 79% is "continuing a significant growth curve".

Microsoft's Scroogled Campaign aside (mostly not true now with all major softwares moving to the web) and the price supports paid for relatively few "Chromebeater" low cost laptops has not deterred the Chromebook wave in the least.

http://betanews.com/2014/07/14/chromebook-kicks-os-x-and-windows-out-of-school/

Chromebook kicks OS X and Windows out of school

Microsoft has now lost the education market now pretty much completely, which means kids will all know how to use a Chromebook really really really well by the time they get out of primary school.   They won't be afraid of it, nor think that there is anything it cannot do.

Actually, when they use the family x86 dinosaur they will be amazed at all the steps and waits you have to do just to get on the web, much less to go do anything.

Windows 10 still shows no signs of getting any lighter or quicker -- so all the Chromebook performance advantages still remain.   And the cost advantages.  And the much better security and the ease of upkeep advantages.   Microsoft still isn't competitive AT ALL on the things that make a Chromebook strongest.

Chromebooks are lumped in with laptops in general media reporting, so when you see laptop sales are flat for this year, deduct 35% from that figure for the Chromebooks portion and you will know that Microsoft is really really hurting this year ......  

And when you hear Apple laptop sales are down, know where they went.

And when you see the dump off PC laptop sales this Black Friday (selling off current model overstocks of this and that) you will correctly interpret what you are seeing.

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..... and that is on top of MS having to GIVE their crappy Win 8.1 BingOS away for free just to stay in the game at all.

So now the MS vendor chain has to dump price the otherwise fairly decent hardware, too, just because of the crappy OS that is installed on it.
 

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Reply #91 - 10/21/14 at 04:41:31
 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2835552/8-ways-google-is-tying-chrome-os-and-a...

8 ways Google is tying Chrome OS and Android together

This is PCWorld in their new "WORLD BEYOND WINDOWS Exploring Linux, Chrome OS, and beyond" main article section.

First, it is just flat amazing that PCWorld has finally come out of the closet and admits there is something other than a PC.   Second, their articles are well written and accurate -- some of these guys are actually USING Chromebooks as their main device now so they now know enough to write some real stuff about them.

Part of the problem is that there is NOTHING MUCH to write about in x86 Windows right now.   As two of the last remaining PC publications, both PCWorld and PCMagazine have both had to go cover Chrome and Linux and Android and Mac just to have something to fill up an issue.

As such, the article writers are actually using the other OS products now, and seeing that there are real improvements out there to x86 Windows slow fat and virus filled porky-ness.


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..... and these "all OS using" article writers are now continuously raking MS over the coals regularly now for the egregious, ugly and stupid Win 8.x deficiencies and they are giving MS very pointed suggestions for ways to improve Win10 before it comes out being yet another fat porky slow POS Windows version.
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Reply #92 - 10/22/14 at 03:36:55
 

http://liliputing.com/2014/10/zotac-zbox-pico-pocket-sized-desktop-pc-review....



Zotac ZBOX pico pocket-sized desktop PC full review

"It’s not a particularly powerful Windows PC. It has the same processor you’ll find in dirt cheap Windows tablets… and that’s led some folks to conclude that even at $200, this little desktop is overpriced. After all, you can pick up a Toshiba Encore Mini or Winbook TW800 for about half the price.

How did we get to this point? In order to fend off competition from upstart chip designer ARM, Intel is selling its low-power Atom processors at dirt cheap prices. Meanwhile Microsoft is literally giving away Windows licenses for free to makers of small, low-cost tablets, notebooks and other computers in an effort to compete with Google Android and other mobile operating systems.

That’s allowed device makers to start flooding the market with Windows tablets with Intel chips that are priced competitively with Android tablets featuring either ARM or Intel processors.

It remains to be seen whether these low prices are sustainable — we could see sticker prices go up once Microsoft and Intel have decided they’ve grabbed enough market share from their competitors. Or prices could stay low indefinitely… in which case we could see device makers start pulling out of the market due to ever-dropping profit margins (which is one of the reasons netbooks largely disappeared a few years ago).

Anyway, the point is that we now live in a world where folks call a tiny, fanless Windows desktop that’s small enough to slide into a pocket overpriced when it sells for $200."










Brad Linder's Verdict

"The Zotac ZBOX PI320 pico isn’t the cheapest computer on the market, it’s certainly not the most powerful, and depending on your definition of a desktop PC, it might not even be the smallest.

That said, it’s still a remarkable little device that won’t be the right choice for everyone… but which could certainly be a good choice for some users."



My verdict ????   It was the first of its kind and Zontac was trying to make some egregious premium dollars off the idea of being "tiny" and of being first to the market.    As such, I totally agree with Brad Linder that the Zontac Pico unit is really overpriced by nearly 2x to its real value.  

A more correct valuation is reflected by this $49 bare bones Mele unit (built in China for the Chinese people) which will allow you to spec the unit with differing amounts of memory and SSD and this unit could allow you to come in with twice as much unit for only 3/4 the price of the Zontac Pico unit.

However, the Intel processor itself is still a bit too minimal for real uses.  When 14nm rolls through next year the direct descendant of this unit will be the one to watch for "low end best value" PCs.    (assuming that Intel and MS keep up all the Chinese freebie giveaways that is)    14nm is going to be 20% FASTER on the CPU and we are "promised" 3x the graphics performance of the standard Intel on-board graphics which will supposedly be built into all these 14nm Intel chipsets.  

(Ha -- Intel speaks with confusing brown icky tongue on all that 14nm Sophia stuff)

This Mele unit is the only true price/value competition for the Chromeboxes that are out there on the market right now, but it is currently too slow for any gaming uses and boots much slower and still requires the constant Windows anti-virus and defrag, etc. etc.

But still, it is a LESS THAN $100 full function Windows PC with full I/O
      (including LAN, HDMI, Composite jacks and a VGA port)




Mele PCG03 Specifications:

SoC – Intel Atom Z3735D “Bay Trail” quad core processor @ 1.33 GHz (Burst freq: 1.83 GHz) with Intel HD graphics
System Memory – Optional 1 or 2 GB DDR3
Storage – Optional 16, 32, or 64 GB eMMC + micro SD slot
Video Output – HDMI 1.4, VGA and Composite (RCA),
Audio I/F – HDMI, Stereo RCA, optical S/PDIF, and MIC and earphone jack.
Connectivity – 10/100M Ethernet, 802.11 b/g/n Wi-Fi
USB – 2x USB 2.0 host
Power Supply – N/A


Now, here is the rub -- whatever chip performance gains you get in the 2015 Windows low end units you will also get in the Chromebox units as they use the same processors.    

Chrome is much smaller, runs quicker, requires less memory and naturally costs less than Windows machines  ----  and these natural advantages will remain next year and the year after that UNLESS MICROSOFT DEPORKY'S WINDOWS AND GETS IT TO BE LEAN AND FAST ENOUGH TO BE ACTUALLY PERFORMANCE COMPETITIVE WITH CHROMEBOOKS AND CHROMEBOXES.

So far we have not seen any real Win 10 changes as far as fat, porky and slow goes .....
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Reply #93 - 10/22/14 at 08:24:42
 

http://liliputing.com/2014/10/microsoft-launches-android-apps-including-lock-...

Microsoft launches Android apps including lock screen, OK Google replacements

Google flicked Apple on the raw by giving old iPad 2 units voice actuated commands when you loaded Google's Chromium browser.   Apple didn't like that Google was modifying their Apple world and limited them to only working inside the Chrome Browser app on their Apple products.  

Google was screwing up Apple's planned obsolescence scheme and the planned upgrade path to iPad 4 by giving full features to the obsolete iPad 2 crowd who now didn't need to run out and buy the new iPad 4.  

Chrome browser app however became very popular and Apple was miffed because Safari was being ignored because people LIKED Google Chrome with built in voice search much better.  

iOS 8 then came out with about 7 Google like features that were clear copies of Android ideas, but since Android is open source that was all good for Google.   Siri never made it to the iPad 2 (although it was promised) so folks are still installing Google Chrome to get their iPad 2 voice search feature.

Microsoft is now trying to do the same trick right back at  Google.

Microsoft is posting apps to the Google Play store that REPLACE certain parts of your Android phone's functionality with Microsoft equivalents.

"Now the company (MS) is launching 4 a series of new Android apps that come from the Microsoft Garage project. These are apps that Microsoft employees and interns have developed in their free time and they’re a bit experimental.

But some of the new apps could pave the way for a marriage of Android and Microsoft software, with apps that change the way you search, launch apps, and see information on your phone.





Next Lock Screen

This is a replacement for Google’s lock screen. Like some other third-party lock screen apps it brings calendar appointments, SMS notifications, missed calls, and other data to your lock screen so you can view information at a glance without first unlocking your phone.

But Microsoft’s solution also makes some of those notifications actionable. Have a conference call on your calendar? Tap the phone number to join the call without first swiping to unlock.

There’s also a space at the bottom of the screen where you can arrange some of your favorite apps so you can launch them straight from the lock screen.





Bing Torque

This Android Wear app lets you search Bing instead of Google from your smartwatch. More importantly, it lets you start a voice search by twisting your wrist so you don’t have to utter the words “OK Google” in public.

Sure, you still need to actually speak your search term. But you don’t have to do any free advertising for Google as a prologue.






Journeys & Notes

This is a social, location tracking app. It’ll keep a log of the places you’ve been and connect with other people who’ve been to the same places.

Basically it’s a Foursquare-style check-in app, but you can leave notes associated with places and see notes left by other people. For example you can recommend the pie at a roadside diner or see if there are any tips about the best view in a nearby park.






Voice Commander

The fourth Microsoft Garage app heading to Android is a game that combines real-time-strategy and top-down shooter features.

Voice Commander is a multi-player game that supports up to 8 different controllers… and anyone in the room can control the game using voice commands."



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Apple would NOT ALLOW such types of apps that go inside their Apple code and actually REPLACE entire parts of their Apple functionality.  

Google however will allow it.    

Your stuff has to be better than theirs though for people to want it bad enough to go install it (and then to keep up with it as it won't likely survive the first automatic update since it is inside the feature base that is automatically updated).   Going inside core features and replacing stuff that is automatically maintained sounds like a recipe for a broken phone at some point in time.  

Is Microsoft going to keep up with all the future damage it does with this little trick?

Microsoft has good programmers.   Good programmers who want to contribute good code to an open source based system like Android is good for open source.

Microsoft programmers attempting to hijack sections of a competitors open source system is much more dubious.

Microsoft breaking users phones due to posting apps that are going to go into system portions that are automatically maintained and thus causing ANY sort of issues is NOT OK.

We shall see how this Bingishness goes .... more news on this later I am sure.

Cheesy    

The Chrome Wars just got to the programming "biological warfare" stage  .....

Since MS cannot compete yet and build some mobile products that people actually want to buy, well then MS will try hijacking the existing Android product base with selected MS features.

MS is trying to survive -- parasites survive, so if the choice is oblivion or life as a tapeworm then MS elects to survive.

However, if like the tapeworm you wind up making the user sick, well, you can expect a purgative to have to be used to fix that problem.

Also note, if any of the affected systems are run under the Linux FOSS license then MS has just donated the entirety of Bing to open source .....


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Reply #94 - 10/22/14 at 09:13:28
 
I see you mentioned the advert for google "ok google"....... I have several times emailed and conversed with "helpers" on that.

Just recently our billiards team (ok pool team) was playing an away game at a bar that has a lot of young folks, our games go long sometimes (up until midnight) and a band started playing about 10:30-ish.
Well after the first few songs the lead singer did something they say he always does, him being an apple fan.
He says "hey turn this mike up a little, I got something to say", then is a slow measured voice he says "ok, google now, search internet porn".... I was not a happy man.... and half our team was pissed so much we forfeited the last match. But the league cannot do anything about an "entertainer", and if we refuse to play at that bar, we loose points having to forfeit.
We were told we could "turn off our phones".
If google would allow us to use personal voice startup, I would be sooooo happy.
I wonder how many google users would say, OK HAL....... Grin
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Reply #95 - 10/22/14 at 09:29:55
 

I rarely say "OK Google" unless my hands are both busy -- I generally just tap the icon.   However, the same hands busy situation would have me still saying "OK Google" and not sweating it.

You see, I like Google .....   it tickles me to say "OK Google" to my Apple iPad 2.


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Reply #96 - 10/23/14 at 09:16:57
 
http://liliputing.com/2014/10/hp-stream-11-laptop-now-available-200.html

HP Stream 11 laptop now available for $200



It's HERE .... retailing for $200 as promised 

Performance reviews will be forthcoming .... is it better than a Chromebook?

One thing that is becoming clear is that simply due to cost lesser processors are having to be used in the Streambook class of products compared to what is used in the existing Chromebook class of products.

(correction for myself -- these really aren't worse processors, slightly less yes but "roughly equivalent" to the Chromebook dual cores and they DO NOT REQUIRE A FAN which is a large battery savings that using Windows 8.1 totally eats up.)

I cannot see how this is going to help their comparative performance, swinging a porkier, fatter, slower more obese OS while having to use a (slightly) lesser chipset.

More words on this once the comparison reviews roll in.

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Microsoft is backing these units with a free year of Microsoft 360 and one year's use of  (1) terabyte of One Drive storage, so obviously being on-line is important to the Streambook (duh, the name).

Hey, I'd say we gots us a low end fight on our hands now .....
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Reply #97 - 10/24/14 at 07:27:14
 

HP Streambook vs HP Chromebook

Purchase cost is the same

Processors and graphics are equivalent (roughly)

Productivity Software --- Chromebook supports everything for 5 years, MS only gives free on-line storage and MS Office On-Line 365 Personal for 1 year
(then you have to pay yearly $$$ for each item)

Speed --- Chromebook is faster in all situations both in getting you started and in processing normal items.    Exceptions to this are going to be found, so let's just say up front that they exist --- but not very many of them.

Value for the dollar ---  Since between them MS and Intel are paying roughly $100 of the real retail cost of your Streambook unit some would argue the Streambook represents a better dollar value.  

Value for the dollar spent though is a different question -- since Chromebooks work better they offer more performance per dollar paid.  

If you value using old style softwares, then a Streambook gives you more value per dollar paid.  

If you are totally hooked on MS Office, then the Streambook is your value proposition even if it is slower and a bit more kludgy running.   But you'd be happier with a better more powerful more expensive Wintel unit anyway.

User experience --- users have so far said the minimalist Streambooks have a few slow rough edges and irritations due to lack of "enough"  processor and systems memory.  Given the same amount of memory in both units, a Chromebook does "better" with what it has to use than the Streambook does.  

A telling point is that a max memory equipped Streambook still cannot compete for speed against a moderately equipped Chromebook.   This is due to the current Windows 8.1 BingOS being too fat, slow and porky.

Microsoft needs to fix this in Windows 10 if they are going to be successful ongoing.

Once again, exceptions exist and will be found and hooted over by both sides.


=======================   No matter which side you take in the Chrome Wars


Cost of a laptop has gone down DRASTICALLY since the Chrome Wars started a year ago.

Microsoft has gotten motivated to get down & dirty and compete again, something they haven't done in over a decade or more.

Intel chips have gotten both BETTER and a lot cheaper.

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Reply #98 - 10/24/14 at 23:20:57
 

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/a-million-chromebooks-a-quarter-what-it-m...

A million Chromebooks a quarter: What it means for Google in education



"For technology companies, the education space is one of the single most important markets to capture. Students who learn on a particular platform or technology are likely to continue using those same tools throughout their academic career and, with the rise of BYOD, throughout their working career as well.

Google has worked hard to capture the education market with Chromebooks and in 2014 there have been multiple signs that Google is gaining a foothold. A report earlier this year said that Chromebooks captured 20% of the education market in 2013.

The latest data point detailing the momentum of Chromebooks was a new blog post in which Google announced that schools had purchased more than 1 million Chromebooks in the second quarter of 2014. The announcement comes in tandem with the announcement of Bridgeport Public Schools bringing 9,000 Chromebooks to their school system. While 9,000 is a large deployment, it pales in comparison to the 32,000 Chromebooks being deployed at Chesterfield County Public Schools.

"With the advance of the web, a lot of the learning material, traditionally only available at library or bookstores, is now available at the fingertips," said Ken Lin, an engineering manager for the Chrome education and business team. "We are seeing a huge trend for classrooms to adopt technology, because it helps teachers to teach better, and enables kids to access knowledge like never before. We are very excited for Chromebooks to be part of this trend."

These deployments are merely two in a series of multi-thousand unit Chromebook deployments in schools throughout the country, leading to the question of why Chromebooks are gaining so much traction in the enterprise.

There are two big reasons why the use of Chromebooks is growing in the education space, deployment and management. Let's break that down.

Deployment

When considering a new machine deployment, much of what attracts schools to the Chromebook is lack of machine imaging and how easy it is to get users up and running.

"As we became more familiar with the Chrome OS and the enhancements offered from its frequent release cycle, the number of items requiring intervention prior to distribution dwindled to merely asset tagging the machines, and logging in one time to join them to our organization," said Adam Seldow, executive director of technology for Chesterfield County Public Schools. "All of the device and user settings flow to the machine instantly upon the user's initial login."

Management

When it comes to maintaining and managing the devices, Chromebooks have a potential to gain points with schools there as well. The devices don't require much in the way of management from the IT support staff.

According to Lin, administrators can use a "central web-based management console to check the health of the devices, push applications, set policies." Meaning that the deployment of a new web app to an entire student population could be as easy as a few clicks. Once again, this isn't something that is proprietary to Google, but it is a feature that Google does well with the Chrome OS devices.

When asked about what he thought the best things about using Chromebooks in his schools were, Seldow mentioned "The seamless, frequent, and feature-rich updates. The Chrome OS update cycle is rapid and with each update comes improved functionality and security. Best of all, the updates do not interrupt productivity and can be staggered over time for large organizations."


Why Chromebooks will continue to win in Education

The new HP Streambook has all the old ills associated with taking care of Windows machines compounded by the lack of drive space to handle the relatively bulky network admin tools that have to be added to each machine when they are unpacked.

Bluntly, IT and Systems Admin folks who are familiar with both systems went to Chromebooks in the first place to get away from all the time and cost and "resource eating" maintenance issues that they had always had with Windows machines.

Lastly, the powerful impact of all the free of cost and freely available Open Source Educational material written by real educators for real teachers and today's students on the Chromebook platform cannot be ignored.   Web based, flowing graphical education materials are much more effective than text based training in keeping student's attention and interest.

Schools are tight on budgets, so a cheap easy to implement and maintain Chromebook that uses free software all the way up and down the spectrum counts for a lot in the eyes of a school district.  

And Google gives teachers their own separate Education Store to organize and disperse all that ongoing free goodness (and Google actively shields Education Chromebooks from root kits, viruses, worms, trojans, porn and e-trash and all advertising, including any of Google's own ads).  

Microsoft charges lots of $$$$ for all their stuff and it is relatively "regimented", comparatively dull and not always current or relevant to the needs of real school districts with all their varying environments.

Chrome is still winning in education and is capturing the hearts and minds of children everywhere it is used.
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Reply #99 - 10/26/14 at 08:40:35
 

Chromeboxes and Chromebooks REALLY REALLY Sux, people just return them back to Amazon all the time..    Really, you used to hear this all the time when Chromebooks first came out.

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OK, Amazon just now has a lot of 19 Asus Chromeboxes that have come back from Refurb by Asus.

19 units returned by customers ......

How many Asus Chromeboxes are on Ebay at the moment?     Two (2).

How many returned refurbed HP Chromeboxes does Amazon have?   All colors included, a total of six (6).


HP Chromebooks, refurb counts run higher with unit counts of 20 something per color and size.

Acer C720 (biggest seller ever)  16 refurb/used units on Amazon.

Acer C720 (biggest seller ever)  19 refurb/used units on Ebay.

I would say that folks are not getting surprised by Chromebooks being "different" to the same degree that they were originally.
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Reply #100 - 10/26/14 at 20:06:04
 

http://www.thestreet.com/story/12893700/1/intel-buys-into-china-smartphone-ma...

"NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Intel (INTC) , the semi-conductor maker, confirmed Friday that it had made a $1.5 billion investment for a 20% stake in Chinese state-backed Tsinghua Holdings, (Spreadtrum) a chipmaker that will produce Intel-branded chips for mobile phones and other electronics."  

Intel is now in business with the Chinese government.

This 1/5 share is strategic and it is a logical follow on to the Rockchip deal (which was never specified or announced in any fiscal source at all, with it being in the nature of bribes and such).

Intel intends to make Intel branded ARM chips in China off of Chinese government owned lithography foundries and to reserve its increasingly few domestic plants for top end processors only.

Intel also intends to survive, even if the American PC industry does not .....    Spending money this way is FAR smarter than slapping more counter revenue on top of old Intel designed chipsets that ARE NEVER GOING TO BE REALLY COMPETITIVE, EVER.

Microsoft's x86 stuff isn't Intel's be-all OS any more, Android and Chrome are large parts of Intel's home turf now.   Microsoft is still trying to create its "customer desirable "make or break" Win 10 and MS is struggling since the last Win 10 preview update wouldn't display text all that well.  

The MS fan boys are really quiet right now, sorta scared actually.   Within the last 60 days MS has hacked up an entire set of monthly Security Updates and has now screwed up an entire scheduled Win 10 beta preview weekly release in an OBVIOUS, CARELESS and very dire fashion.  

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The new MS may have laid off too many people too fast, and might be apparently losing track of their "Whatssup, doc?".
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Reply #101 - 10/27/14 at 04:50:45
 

ChromeOS ready printers are Cloud Ready Printers and that new class of printers is really coming on strong in the printer industry.

Microsoft is distraught, as it becomes obvious that people who are intentionally moving away from "cable connected to a PC" printers also indicates they are moving away from MS's home turf as well.  

This is yet another signal that MS's Windows product is becoming passe, no longer the current industry standard.

It also indicates that phones and tablets and Chromebooks are taking bigger and bigger chunks out of the computing marketplace's pie chart as can be seen here.





Note:   HP's old standard "e-print" thing really wasn't cloud ready until HP and Google reached an agreement to arrange a post processed translation between the two standards.   This translation takes place on cloud servers at this point in time and is reflected in a slight delay in processing your print job.  This fix is in effect now.

HP will adhere to the real Cloud Print standards on all new machines going forward and trust their e-print to Cloud Print thingamabop to handle all the older HP e-printers.

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Reply #102 - 10/27/14 at 19:42:08
 
 

Let's play with the 2016 predicted charts a bit and try to figure out if Microsoft gains or loses ground.

PC desktop is 5% of total market, Notebook is 8%.

However 0.5% of the 5% of desktop slice is Chromeboxes and 2.5% of the notebook slice is Chromebooks (measured at this current point in time).  

So what is left of the traditional PC market's 13% that is left potentially for Microsoft?   Somewhere around 10% is the best prediction for MS's total devices share at this point in time.

So, will Microsoft be able to break into phones in a large way in the Orient?    No, because all the good oriental language apps are written for Android, and written for older versions of Android on top of that.    Very hard for Microsoft to get a presence in that environment, really.

Microsoft needs to batten their hatches, get ready to shrink manning again and try to keep an iron focus on getting Win 10 to be lighter and faster to compete better against Chromebooks and Chromeboxes.   Microsoft needs to give up on their x86 separatist focus and go ARM with all their might, since Intel is busy doing so as we speak.

Microsoft is at 14% market share right now and MS is rapidly dropping down to a 10% market share -- and if Chrome successfully invades the business world like it did to the education world then MS may drop market share even further and faster.

Roll Eyes    

Business IT is busy building rigorous corporate intranets with internally controlled webwares to do all their business functions.   Chromebooks and Boxes are a natural fit to this world, much much more so than more expensive and more cumbersome Windows machines.
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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #103 - 10/28/14 at 07:42:28
 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8650/arm-announces-maliv550-video-processor-mal...

ARM announces their new graphics processor line up for 2015 and 2016







So, why does ARM claim Mali to be the #1 in graphics?    Numbers, pure numbers -- all the canned "hard micro" ARM designs use a Mali graphics set and although they are not the world best graphics cores (Tegra and VR will fight each other over that title) they are the BEST INTEGRATED and easiest/quickest to get to market with when a new ARM technology breaks out.

Intel has already shown everybody the stinky confusing brown vapor where they "plan to be" in 2016 with both main CPU and Graphics.   ARM has held back, however, not releasing any information until they could show a compelling story to their processor base customers.   ARM wanted to show them "better than" designs that the vendors can actually purchase NOW to be in real production by the time the Intel vapor even solidifies.

This will prompt Intel to try try again, and they will do better accordingly.  Since Intel is an ARM licensee you can expect Intel to incorporate some of this tech into their next "Intel" branded ARM chipsets.

Intel is now just an ARM tweeker in their mobile division now, not a real mobile processor designer using their own home grown Intel processor cores and Intel graphics cores.   Just like Qualcomm and Samsung,  Intel has decided it is better to "if you can't beat them, join them" and to go ahead and use the base ARM designs with just a few tweeks since they cannot even try to beat them anymore in the mobile world.
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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #104 - 10/29/14 at 09:37:49
 

http://liliputing.com/2014/10/hp-stream-11-pro-notebook-way.html

HP Stream 11 Pro notebook on the way



"HP has been known to market what are essentially the same laptops to consumer and enterprise customers under different names.

While the HP Stream 11 is first and foremost a cheap laptop, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have features that could appeal to corporate customers. The $200 notebook is a low-power machine with a fanless design, 2GB of RAM, 32GB of flash storage, an Intel Atom N2840 processor, a matte 1366 x 768 pixel display, and up to around 8 hours of battery life.

It measures 0.8 inches thick, weighs about 2.8 pounds, and the consumer model comes with a 1-year subscription to Microsoft Office 365 which includes access to Excel, Word, PowerPoint, Outlook, and Access as well as unlimited cloud storage.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Pro model is basically the same machine, but with an option for Windows 8.1 Pro software."



Roll Eyes     Bold move for HP since we haven't seen the real actual physically present HP Stream 11 units even tested, reviewed or benchmarked yet.

If this were marketed to Education, would it be effective?  

It would likely be more effective with a good fast light skinnied up Win 10 behind it.
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