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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #495 - 08/27/15 at 07:10:02
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/08/report-motorola-team-to-take-charge-of-lenovos-...

Report: Motorola team to take charge of Lenovo’s smartphone business

A few weeks ago we heard that Lenovo would be laying off 25% of Motorola employees and replacing some of those people with existing Lenovo staffers. Now the company tells NDTV Gadgets that in spite of the layoffs, it’s actually Motorola that will be leading Lenovo’s smartphone business from now on.



Basically, Lenovo is merging the Lenovo Mobile Business Group with Motorola Mobility. What’s interesting about the move is that it’s Motorola’s management team that will be in charge: Former Motorola president Rick Osterloh will be in the leader of the new group.


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People have been telling Lenovo that they were killing the goose that laid the golden egg in order just to have today's supper .... a very short term error in judgement with long term mobile death on the line.

Lenovo apparently finally listened and is attempting to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

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We wish them luck in undoing what they did, but plunking in some oriental staffers is not going to replace the whole sections of high tech innovators that you just let go -- who have gone and gotten other jobs now.

Remember, Xiaomi and OnePlus and all the other pure Chinese phone suppliers will be able to wipe the world price-wise once they get their radios right, and Mediatek is busy going about doing that as we speak.

What Motorola offers is GOOD phones at reasonable prices, using chipsets from Qualcomm and software from Google.   And yes, right now you pay $30-$50 more for them, but they are worth it as their radios and software all work 100% with USA service providers.

However, when the price differential hits >$100 and the oriental stuff starts working on 4G LTE properly then the equation changes, it does.

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Reply #496 - 08/30/15 at 03:25:56
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/08/intel-core-m-skylake-details-start-to-emerge.html

Intel Core M and Core Y Skylake details start to emerge

Core M3-6Y30: 900 MHz base speed with 2.2 GHz Turbo speed and 850 MHz GPU boost speed   (thermal throttles 2.4 times)
Core M5-6Y54: 1.1 GHz base speed with 2.7 GHz Turbo speed and 900 MHz GPU boost speed    (thermal throttles 2.4 times)
Core M5-6Y57: 1.1 GHz base speed with 2.8 GHz Turbo speed and 900 MHz GPU boost speed    (thermal throttles 2.5 times)
Core M7-6Y75: 1.2 GHz base speed with 3.1 GHz Turbo speed and 1 GHz GPU boost speed        (thermal throttles 2.6 times)


OK, time to talk about Skylake again,  since Intel has abandoned their abandonment of all the previous announced configurations/roadmaps yet again and is now coming out with a brand new Skylake roadmap one more time yet again, except this time it is couched in these NEW somewhat weasel worded terms.

"While they all have a thermal design power rating of 4.5 watts, Intel says they have a 3 watt “scenario design power,” which means they’ll typically use less than 4.5 watts. But they can also run at up to 7 watts for a performance boost."

Wow, that sounds like a bunch of malarky, doesn't it?   What does it really mean ????

Turbo rating is a somewhat fictional advertising number that a dead cold chip could be goosed to TEMPORARILY (a few 10s of seconds) if you goosed it dead cold right off the bat when you first powered it up.  

Thermal power rating is the upper limit that you can depend on a GOOD cooling system to hold it together or else the chip becomes toast shortly.    You see this rating ONCE at the point thermal throttling kicks in and never see it again as you get your speed throttled down in stages to the point you simply can't get that hot again.   Slow, but safe -- that's you now.

Intel hates warranty returns, you know .....

Base speed is where you should expect a fully warmed up, completely throttled back through the stages, properly heat sinked chip to thermal throttle itself down to in normal real world uses.  Push it up past this and ill things begin to happen, so Intel doesn't want you to go there.

"Scenario design power" is a meatball averaged watt number that a designer should use to plan his best case battery usage and to plan his best case battery size, then he should up-size it 30% if he has any sense.    Since the chipset is constantly all over the place (depending on task, temperature, time since started and the rest of the background load on the system) you really can't plan using any single number beyond this fudgy scenario design power number as everything is all in flux all the time.   YOU NEED TO TEST YOUR PRODUCT and pick a battery size that really does the job for your customers.

GPU boost is saying that the GPU can't really run at this speed except when it is dead cold, so it too will thermal throttle down to a lesser speed just like the CPU does.    Since Intel makes such a big thing about their improved GPUs they don't ever actually ever really say what they throttle down to on the GPU as "having better GPUs" is really the only positive thing Intel has going for them at all right now.  

So, it's kept a deep dark secret ..... until the tester boys get hold of it.

Before, Intel would have said they were 3 watt chipsets that ran at full (turbo mode) speeds using whatever ghz they ran when first stared up stone cold  (which only had a 20 second duration lie since the chipsets thermal throttled to 1/2 to 1/3 of that speed withing 20 seconds or so as they warmed up).  

Hey, Intel used to really misrepresent a lot of things like this sort of stuff in the past.   They still do, but this new malarky is different, more detailed malarky, a more confusing malarky (improved, even more devious malarky that before).  

Intel sells marlarky now, with a thick layer liberally smeared over the tops of their chipsets to increase their sales appeal.

[b]Reality is that Skylake has not been a performance improving chipset at all] so far[/b, and so far the ones wrung out thoroughly by the tester magazines haven all panned out as slightly slower and not having any great energy saving to any real degree much at all either.   A little bit under certain circumstances, but not a lot.  They do have 25% - 30% better graphics this time around, though.   This is real.  Kinda.  Sorta.  Depends on how hot the motherboard gets, you know.

Intel is TRYING to mend their misleading marlarky ways some and is giving out better "scenario based" data to the device builders,  give them credit for that at least.

However, Skylake costs a lot more and apart from the GPU has the same overall performance level as the 2 year old cheaper stuff.   (I am being charitable, mostly the old stuff is faster).


Tongue        "If it sucks badly enough, what you need to do is to wrap it up in baloney and then sell the baloney"   .... Handbook of Advanced Advertising Techniques.

Hmmmmm ...... is baloney better than malarky?   Which one smells worse ???  

This stuff smells sorta brown and icky to me, so it isn't really baloney which is pink and smells like pig snouts.

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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #497 - 08/30/15 at 11:38:57
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/08/jide-remix-mini-android-pc-to-ship-in-october.html






Google is still playing Chromeistic Budda Switzerland and leaving it to little guys like Jide to show everybody how to make Android into a real desktop OS.

Open source has all the pieces now, so whenever Google actually gets ready to pull their thumb from their favorite Budda-orifice and actually go do something about it ...... like maybe clean it up and put it inside the Android standard?  

For when you plug your Android phone into the charging cradle that's attached to the keyboard, mouse and the big monitor?
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Reply #498 - 09/02/15 at 10:43:46
 

http://www.zdnet.com/article/npd-chromebooks-outsell-windows-laptops/

NPD: Chromebooks outsell Windows laptops short term

"Many people have resisted the idea that Chromebooks really were growing in popularity. Now, less five years after the first commercial Chromebook, the Samsung Series 5 and Acer Chromebook went on sale, NPD, the global retail research group, is reporting that Chromebook sales in June and early July had exceeded "sales of Windows notebooks ... passing the 50 percent market share threshold in business to business sales."

( please note that this is in the business to business sector only,  not overall retail, and it is a short term number of a half of one year)



"This comes after a year, 2014, when Google OS-equipped, Android and Chrome, devices saw a 29 percent increase, propelled primarily by Chromebook sales, while Apple devices, mostly iPads, dropped by 12 percent and Windows devices, largely laptops, declined by 8 percent.

So far this year, Chromebooks have made notebooks the strongest B2B corporate client devices. Overall Chromebooks sales are up in U.S. B2B channels by 43 percent."


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Chromebook sales in June and early July TEMPORARILY exceeded "sales of Windows notebooks ... passing the 50 percent market share threshold in business to business sales."  

Now this is really really really short term, but it does denote the first time Chromebooks took over the majority market share position, taking it away from Windows and Apple.    \

And unless Microsoft can really go do something with their Win 10 Cloudbooks to take that share back, well, it is all downhill from there.
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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #499 - 09/02/15 at 14:07:08
 

I'm think I'm going to declare the business to business Chrome Wars is over and that Chromebooks have pretty much won in their price range  ---  when you take over 50% of the market share and you're taking it away from Apple and you're taking it away from Windows then I have to think Chromebooks are pretty much winning the Chrome Wars from a cold dead start 5 years ago.

No one can declare an overall winner at full retail because Microsoft no longer permits their sellers to give out sales information on the Chromebook style (lower end) market segments.  All information that is seen is based in regions and is very spotty when you do get any full retail based information at all.  

What is known is that before Microsoft shut everybody up Chrome was killing Microsoft at overall retail sales in that low end niche.

Furthermore since Win10 is no faster than Win 8.1 and it costs more to produce a Win 10 Cloudbook than a Win 8.1 Chromekiller, so that is not helping to change this equation at all.
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Reply #500 - 09/02/15 at 19:53:23
 
http://liliputing.com/2015/09/acer-predator-6-is-a-gaming-phone-with-4-speake...

Here come the Media Tek 10 core chipsets,  the very first one is shipping right now with 2 more waves to follow.



It’s called the Acer Predator 6, and it features a 10-core processor, 4GB of RAM, a 21MP camera, haptic feedback, and four front-facing features.

We know that it’s got a MediaTek processor, which means that it should pack a MediaTek Helio X20 chip (the only 10-core mobile processor announced that is shipping right now).

That’s a processor that combines two 2.5 GHz ARM Cortex-A72 CPU cores, four 2 GHz Cortex-A53 cores, and four 1.4 GHz Cortex-A53 cores to balance performance and power consumption.

The chip also features ARM Mali-T800 series graphics, support for 802.11ac WiFi, 4G LTE, up to two 13MP cameras, and 4K video recording. There’s also an integrated co-processor for always-on speech recognition and other always-on applications.

Yep, a gaming phone ..... and it looks like it has a built-in controller system too.
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Reply #501 - 09/03/15 at 19:28:15
 

http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/2/9243997/acer-windows-10-phone-jade-primo



Acer’s Windows 10 phone will morph into a PC thanks to Continuum

"Acer has unveiled its first "PC Phone" — a Windows 10 phone that will function as a PC thanks to Microsoft's Continuum. The device, named the Jade Primo, will ship with a suite of accessories including a dock, keyboard, and wireless mouse. The phone itself has a 21-megapixel camera with a dual-LED flash, a super AMOLED 5.5-inch display, and is powered by a Qualcomm 808 Snapdragon processor. Acer hasn't said anything about when the device might ship or for how much, but it looks like the Pocket PC dream might be getting a revival."

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Reply #502 - 09/04/15 at 08:43:18
 
Dude, get  a JOB, write a column for the paper, or do product reviews for a tech mag, you're so much more informed in areas want to be informed in.
Just submit a column every week for a few weeks to the editor, don't call, don't ask, just send,, include your contact info..
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Reply #503 - 09/04/15 at 09:25:06
 
I enjoy oldfellers posts. His compilations are an easy way to keep up with tech stuff. You know, if you aren't interested, don't open the threads.
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Reply #504 - 09/04/15 at 14:58:48
 

You notice they wait until I'm hundreds of miles away from anywhere that I could type in a post to have these little controversies.

Wink       our phones still work while we are down the mountain at Micky D's


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I thought about this while I was watching (and listening) to Dave toss and turn on the top bunk on the first night at Simple Life.   It was hot and sleeping wasn't coming .....

Chromebooks started out as a joke and became real and are now taking market share from MS  but the reasons were mostly PRICE.   Win 10 is simply more costly, both because of hidden license costs and the extra hardware that is required to run it.

ChromeOS has become full off-line functional, but the irony is that Cloudbooks (MS) have become just as (or more so) internet dependent as Chrome OS is right now.

PRICE still remains as the main differential, plus some folks are not going to like some of the flat out invasive items that are in the new MS Win 10 microcosm.

Chrome OS is now mature,  Win 10 is still being written, and now Android is coming up as the newest desktop disruptor with Oriental vendors putting out windowing versions of Android with office like packages already installed on them -- this initiative will continue to be driven by the Asian folks who flat out really prefer Android as that is what they learned computing upon when they first started lo these 5-6 years ago.

In short, at Justin's request, this thread will now die ........    we got all the drama out of it that exists in it.

(yeah, it might get replaced by something else though, you never can tell)
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