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Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH
Reply #46 - 05/11/05 at 13:01:02

You are actually replacing the air filter? Wow, most people just bang them out, reinstall, and keep going. Have prices come down on the OEM filters yet, or are they still around $40 USD? Insane price, the aftermarket units are only $14.

I need to replace mine soon. I guess 8 years on the original factory filter is good enough. Roll Eyes

Sounds like the resurrection of the bike is coming along fine. If you just can't wait any longer to fire it up, a couple minutes without an airfilter isn't going to cause much, if any, harm. If you're concerned about it, stretch some fine nylon mesh across the filter mounting surface and duct tape it in place. A piece of stocking works great as a temp filter.
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Reply #47 - 05/11/05 at 15:07:51

More worried about that I put the ATF in last night, and haven't done an oil change yet. Grin

Air filter came in today. And I felt it should be replaced because the original one had some seriously nasty looking stuff on it, half black and what looked like possible mold, so I'm investigating that when I get home.

And the filter was $28 something, $34 shipped from Bikebandit. ($1 more than another place, but cheaper than the stealership and arrived in 3 days!)

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Red_Wine Senior Member Offline Chain-drive, 400cc Black Savage in Chile Posts: 478 Santiago, Chile Gender:	Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Reply #48 - 05/12/05 at 07:59:30 Further progress!!!! come'on, fire it up and get'er in the wind!!! RW
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Setral Full Member 2005 No Login Offline Ressurection Posts: 114 KC Missouri Gender:	Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Reply #49 - 05/12/05 at 12:54:41 Well, I have a gas can in the truck to fill up on the way home tonight. Oil change, a little bit of gas and hopefully VROOOM. Going to take some pics before I fire her up, the purple and suzuki blue don't match perfectly, but not horribly either.
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Reply #50 - 05/12/05 at 18:31:13

Did the oil and filter change, put gas in and fired her up....

Almost... she cranks, she sparks.... but no go.

With the choke all the way out she'll run for 15 to 45 seconds at a time. Choke in a little she'll run for less. Any attempts at using the throttle and she dies instantly.

Also noticed that the seals hadn't totally sealed so have some colored smoke from the muffler and some of the atf and oil dripping and burning from where the exhaust and muffler meet.

Will post some pics tomorrow, I use dial-up at home and don't feel like spending an hour just uploading the pics Grin

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lordzamize Ex Member	Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Reply #51 - 05/13/05 at 05:42:12 WAY TO GO!!! Now it's a matter of tinkering and she'll be good as new!
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Setral Full Member 2005 No Login Offline Ressurection Posts: 114 KC Missouri Gender:	Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Reply #52 - 05/13/05 at 06:54:56 Well no pics this morning, storm knocked out the power last night and I didn't even think about the camera at work until this morning when I re-read my message from last night, lol.
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Setral Full Member 2005 No Login Offline Ressurection Posts: 114 KC Missouri Gender:	Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Reply #53 - 05/13/05 at 10:24:22 Seems like I have some carb checking to do. She does have fuel flow, though I'm not sure how much flow is normal or not.
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Reply #54 - 05/18/05 at 13:45:17

Looks like its gotten worse, more oil coming out of the exhaust.

Still haven't figured out why it will idle with a full choke but die when any gas is applied.

The oil coming out is still coming from inside the exhaust. Where the exhaust and muffler connect, it is dripping out of there, and when it gets hot enough of course it smokes like a chimney.

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Reply #55 - 05/20/05 at 08:35:30

Ignore my last post, I'm an idiot. Half asleep and frustrated is a bad time to post.

Bike does have an oilleak, I haven't pinned it down yet.

On an oddly positive note, she is running and idling on a full choke for even longer now. Was just idling for at least 2 minutes full choke. But still if I push the choke in any further, she starts sputtering and then dies. Also applying any gas and she dies.

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Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH
Reply #56 - 05/20/05 at 09:49:56

Setral wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:05:

Looks like its gotten worse, more oil coming out of the exhaust.

Still haven't figured out why it will idle with a full choke but die when any gas is applied.

The oil coming out is still coming from inside the exhaust. Where the exhaust and muffler connect, it is dripping out of there, and when it gets hot enough of course it smokes like a chimney.

Wait. Isn't this going on in another topic?

I would like someone to explain how oil comes out of the inside of any exhaust....esecially on a bike that will run. Oil smoke in the exhaust like with bad rings, sure, but oil dripping out of the connection at the clamp makes no sense.

Have you ever drained your air box?

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Reply #57 - 05/20/05 at 10:03:29

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:05:

I would like someone to explain how oil comes out of the inside of any exhaust....esecially on a bike that will run. Oil smoke in the exhaust like with bad rings, sure, but oil dripping out of the connection at the clamp makes no sense.

I was hoping to see that explained myself. I had no idea why that would occur but I'm far from a professional mechanic, so I thought I'd keep reading and maybe learn something.

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Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH
Reply #58 - 05/20/05 at 10:17:57

Savage_Rob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:05:

I was hoping to see that explained myself. I had no idea why that would occur but I'm far from a professional mechanic, so I thought I'd keep reading and maybe learn something.

Thanks...and I am talking about liquid oil too. Oil smoke does not cause liquid all over the underside of the bike because the oil burns off...

Does the oil continue dripping when the engine has been cleaned and is not running?

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Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH
Reply #59 - 05/20/05 at 10:55:35

Hmmm smoke & oil on 1st crank.
Worn intake guide?, Rusty cylinder blow-by?

If the petc0ck was clogged then expect same for carb.
Sounds like the carb is clogged up.
Get a can or 2 of carb cleaner spray (Gumout).
Put a towel over the starter and tranny as the carb cleaner may eat up what's left of the clearcoat on the side covers.
Might just pull the bowl off and hose the inside of the bowl and carb good.
Blast thru any orifices you see, unscrew the main jet and and see if you can blast it up thru the main.
Check the gasket, & put the bowl back on, prime it and crank it back up and see if it will come off choke.
If you get it to rev, would put a couple caps of Gumout (non-spray) in w/ every fill-up for awhile.
Otherwise, a rebuild may be required to get it to run right.

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