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Title: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/13/05 at 11:52:06 I have a 87 LS650PH, that has some history to it. It originally belonged to my mother, it was bought for her as it is lower to the ground. It was ridden for maybe 1500 miles before parked for 6 years. There it sat, with a half a tank of gas >:( . I cleaned it up as best I could, replaced the back turn signals as they had fallen off their mounts, the tank had rusted on the inside a bit, and the mesh filter on the petcock was torn up a little. At the time, except to clean it and replace fluids, and turn signals no other funds were available. A year after she was ressurected the first time, the bike and I took a spill in some gravel. Due to me attempting to avoid two young girls in a car, that almost jumped a stop sign as I was turning.... Which torqued the left side handle bar down, the left foot peg, the shifter peg, and put a gouge in the tank. Yet she still ran for a few weeks, then she had to goto the shop, no longer wanting to shift. apparently a bolt broke when I dropped it, and it finally worked loose as I was sitting at a stop light. After that was fixed, a month or so later I noticed she would no longer keep the battery charged as I drove her. I had to keep charging the battery, that was even replaced with a new one, and the problem continued. So she was parked, couldn't afford repairs and couldn't stand driving with the handlebar bent like it was anymore. And now, almost 8 years later, I'm planning on bringing her back to life. I'm rather new to researching what parts fit what years, etc. So I have a few questions. 1) Is a stock tank interchangable on all years 86-2004? 2) Is the mesh filter on the petcock a big enough worry I should replace the entire unit, or just put in an in-line filter? 3) Is a stock pullback handlebar interchangable on all years? 4) With the draining the battery, should I be looking at the wiring or the stator first? Or something else? 5) Any things specifically I should look out for, for a bike that has been sitting this long? I've already posted some pictures of her, she's sitting in my basement, with a few years of dust, and another one of the turn signals coming off again. http://www.bikepics.com/members/setral/87savage/ |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Nightrain on 04/13/05 at 12:01:49 darnit, that some bi#ch is dusty ;D. Nice bike. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Red_Wine on 04/13/05 at 12:14:54 Setral, My answer to your questions are: 1) I would guess they are, Savages have used the same tank from the start. 2) I would go with the in-line filter, if the mesh is trash, the in-line will certainly help. 3) yes, 1" bars from the start. 4) I'd check the wiring, then the stator, then the regulator. 5) I'd take a close look at the tires, maybe the rubber is not in good condition, even if the grooves are deep; brakes are also to be checked, as well as fluids, spark plug and filters. If you do this, and your engine is fine, it should fire up at first button push. Welcome aboard and happy riding!!!!! ;D RW |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by WD on 04/13/05 at 12:23:49 Any LS tank is a direct swap. Test the wiring, then the stator, then the voltage regulator (get the book for it, I can't walk you thru the tests). Put new tires, tubes, and rim strips on it. Wire in a set of aftermarket rear turn signals, the stockers are alright, but the aftermarket look better. Any non-dimpled HD handlebar will fit, if you decide not to use the stock style buckhorns. New plug, new battery, new oil and filter. Change the fork oil for fresh stuff, two weights heavier than stock really improves the handling (no front end dive under braking). Run about 4 ounces of ATF into the cylinder via the spark plug hole, let it sit 2 or 3 days, and then change the oil. Will free the rings, if they have corroded they can stick to the cylinder liner and break when you hit the starter. Add fresh gas and cross your fingers... should fire right off once the above steps are taken care of. Did the above to a Honda that sat from 1976 to 2000, it fired off on the 3rd kick. Put in the time to ressurect it properly, and the bike won't let you down. -WD |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/13/05 at 12:55:55 LOL.. yes Nightrain.. at least 4 years if not more of dust, though it was moved within the past year to the basement it sits in right now. Red_Wine and WD, thank you both for all the information. Right now, I'm holding off on everything until I get a tank, which hopefully I'll have within the next two weeks. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by sluggo on 04/13/05 at 13:00:21 Setral wrote:
i got some pull backs. cheep |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Ed_L. on 04/13/05 at 17:52:35 Looks like you bent the bolt that holds the handlebar riser instead of the handlebar. I did the same thing when I dropped my Savage last year, thought the handle bar was bent but when It was taken apart all that was needed was a new bolt. I like your custom dust paint job, must of taken years ;). Don't trust the rubber, tires get hard and slippery when they sit for years. Luck on you project. Ed L. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/13/05 at 18:44:51 Ed_L. wrote:
Thanks Ed_L, you are right about the riser bolt being bent, it is bent and the riser is bent back/up about 1/4" of an inch, but I know the bar itself is bent as well. Definately going to be getting new tires, since to be honest the tires on it are the originals from 18 years ago. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by WD on 04/13/05 at 22:58:14 If you can't find an LS tank, a VN500 Kawasaki tank is supposed to fit beautifully. That is per Peter the Blacksmith on another Savage forum, and he knows his stuff with the Savage. As a bonus, the VN tank holds more fuel than the LS tank. Sometimes they are easier to get hold of as well. -WD |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Red_Wine on 04/14/05 at 06:34:24 Hi Setral, I agree with other people's advice... just post a few pics after the bike is resurrected, we all LOVE to look pics of other people's rides (mine are still in the camera's film) ;D RW |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/14/05 at 07:28:16 WD wrote:
I just re-read it all, and pardon me but I feel a little stupid 4 ounces of ATF? I keep thinking AntiFreeze. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by PerrydaSavage on 04/14/05 at 08:07:22 ATF = Automatic Transmission Fluid? Am I right? WD, you psted awhile back about adding 2-stroke oil to the gas every coupla tanks? How much and would anything else do? Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/15/05 at 06:45:17 Even though I don't have the tank in my posession yet, I went ahead and started taking her apart. And I found a pleasant surprise at the same time a minor annoyance. The pleasant surprise is, I'm almost positive I have the entire original tool kit, plus a mini-maglight. The annoyance, I found I'm missing two bolts (or a bolt and a screw). One of the main seat bolts is missing, and the top screw/bolt on the battery box, that holds the plate to hold the battery in the box (also which the toolkit rests on) is missing. And I read the odometer..... "3,635.1" |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by slavy on 04/15/05 at 07:25:58 If this is the only thing the bike is missing- You are very lucky. And only 3000 mi on the bike is absolutely nothing if the bike has been maintained half way decently. While You are doing all the repairs, don't forget to change the rubber head plug. If You don't do it now, You will have to do it latter- 100% guaranteed. About the gas tanks- they are direct swap, but there is a slight diff. in the opening for the speedo, so if You want to have 100% direct swap either stay with a "pre 1995" tank, either swap the tank with the speedo. One more thing- the tires will have to be replaced - 90% sure and not because of the wear, but because of the sitting . Almost sure there wil be a "hop"- flat spot and You will be not happy to ride a grasshopper. Have all the fun You can. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/15/05 at 07:50:40 Yep, tires are being swapped I've already commited to it. For the rubber head plug, I read about that, and I'm actually starting a checklist so I don't forget anything. Another thing I forgot to mention, the petcock is plugged, I'm going to look into it tonight. No matter what position, nothing will flow through it. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/19/05 at 08:25:08 I forgot to ask this, the other problem I have is when I dumped the bike so long ago, it bent the hell out of the left front foot peg. Any suggestions or recommendations on a place or type to replace one or both front pegs with? So far everything seems like it is coming together. Still waiting on a tank though (should have it soon). Thanks everyone so far for all your help, its gotten me in the right direction, and a list of about 25 things to do/check/buy before putting her back on the road. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Red_Wine on 04/21/05 at 09:53:19 Setral wrote:
Setral, I dumped my Savage about two weeks ago, and the left footpeg bent quite bad. I unbolted it from the support, turned upside down and put it back on. So far, so good. Hope it helps. RW |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 04/21/05 at 10:12:35 sluggo wrote:
How cheep im intersted 8) |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by sluggo on 04/21/05 at 10:58:09 Oklahoma_Mike wrote:
setral snagged em, and got a good deal at that, here's what he paid, Peace in my next life, the next 7 420's in my honor, and a small donation to his local humane society. ;D what a deal ;D |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/21/05 at 13:55:43 sluggo is right and a hell of a guy! RW, I'll try that, it'll be bent forward instead of back and not have to buy a new one for a bit, should work just fine! I finally got a tank ordered!! Handlebars are on the way thanks to sluggo! And the Clymers manual is on the way as well. With luck, I'll be well on the way to resurrecting her within a week or two. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by sluggo on 04/21/05 at 14:01:59 whats a 420 you ask. if you don't know maybe it's better that way. :o |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/21/05 at 14:04:11 You mean someone asked??? ;D :o |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/21/05 at 15:15:51 Speaking of the clymers manual... it just showed up and near mint condition. This waiting stuff can really kill you sometimes. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 04/21/05 at 15:16:47 darn the bad luck. I need to let mine rot for years and see if I can get some freebies. Hey isn't that a sin? 8) |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 04/21/05 at 15:17:38 on second thought NO WAY!!!!!! 8) |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/21/05 at 15:22:28 lol... its not like I intentionally let her rot, haven't had the money to even think about it until just recently (a new job 5 months ago, well paying at that). |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 04/21/05 at 15:51:43 sorry bro I didn't mean to imply that. Just making a joke 8) |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/22/05 at 09:03:26 Wasn't offended at all ;D But serious question. I took the petc0ck out of the old tank to look it over. The filter has a nasty brown color now, and looking at the little filter screen, there is the tear in one part of the mesh, but no additional tears (for which I'm happy). Despite the discoloration, will it be safe to continue using this one, or is there a place to actually buy just the darned filter? (Last time I checked 8 years ago, they told me I had to buy a whole new unit, that just the filter wasn't available). And yes, I am going to put an in-line filter in whether I keep the original petc0ck filter or not. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 04/22/05 at 09:40:22 The shop here told me it was one unit :'( |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/22/05 at 10:10:39 That bothers me only because in the Clymers manual, it makes it sound like you can buy the filter and replace it seperately. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Greg_650 on 04/22/05 at 11:06:59 Setral wrote:
Just clean it good and reinstall. If it has tears in it, install an inline filter which would be cheaper anyway. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/25/05 at 13:15:05 ok, petc0ck question. If the vaccuum hose is removed, the tank is full of gas, and it is set to PRI, should fuel come out of the gas line? |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by bentwheel on 04/25/05 at 13:20:00 Yes. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/25/05 at 13:24:14 ok, then I do have an issue with the petc0ck. When I pulled the tank, I had it set to PRI and the gas hose going into a tank, but it didn't drain even a drop. I took the entire thing apart, I'm assuming that the little diaphragm must be having problems, considering the age of the bike, I wouldn't be surprised. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by bentwheel on 04/25/05 at 13:46:35 It sounds more like you have an obstruction. The diaphragm is functional only in the ON and RESERVE modes. Go to the technical Corner on this site and look up Convert Petcock to Manual Mode for everything you always wanted to know about them. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/25/05 at 13:55:29 I only said that, because I can't get anything out of it even when on PRI, and when I blow into the fuel out piece, it blows through and it seems like the diaphragm opens. But nothing will go the other direction. I'll take it apart and look it over better when I get home. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by WD on 04/26/05 at 00:23:06 Fuel tap probably has some crystallized gas "varnish in it. Moves out of the way when you apply air pressure, then falls right back to where it was. Had a Honda do that, drove me crazy trying to figure it out. -WD |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/28/05 at 09:30:28 Why... oh why.. is it just when you think you're ahead and ready to move on, something happens? New fuel tank arrived this morning, and I thought I was ready for getting it on. I've still got numerous things left to do and buy before I can even think of putting her on the road. And top it off... family and job issues keep coming up, preventing much shop time. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Savage_Rob on 04/28/05 at 10:52:32 Yup, life is what happens while you're making other plans. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 04/28/05 at 19:04:42 Savage_Rob wrote:
no truer words were ever spoken 8) |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 04/29/05 at 08:03:59 My bank account is wincing everytime I mention the motorcycle. And I still have at least another $70 to go. Most of the parts are already ordered or I already have them. Hoping just a few more weeks before she feels the road again. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 05/10/05 at 10:17:54 All parts, except the air filter have arrived. Going to see about digging out the camera soon. (edited: because I picked up the oil and sparkplug at lunch) |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Savage_Rob on 05/10/05 at 13:06:22 Git 'er done... |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Ed_L. on 05/10/05 at 15:51:16 Yup, get'er done, ride it and enjoy. Life is too da-mn short not to. Ed L. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 05/11/05 at 07:09:22 Her headlight came on.. her horn beeped, and both sets of turn signals came on for their first time in 8 years. Can't start her yet though, still have to wait a few days to do an oil change, and clean her up a bit in the mean time. (Still waiting on the air filter) |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Savage_Rob on 05/11/05 at 08:49:20 Progress! |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by WD on 05/11/05 at 13:01:02 You are actually replacing the air filter? Wow, most people just bang them out, reinstall, and keep going. Have prices come down on the OEM filters yet, or are they still around $40 USD? Insane price, the aftermarket units are only $14. I need to replace mine soon. I guess 8 years on the original factory filter is good enough. ::) Sounds like the resurrection of the bike is coming along fine. If you just can't wait any longer to fire it up, a couple minutes without an airfilter isn't going to cause much, if any, harm. If you're concerned about it, stretch some fine nylon mesh across the filter mounting surface and duct tape it in place. A piece of stocking works great as a temp filter. -WD |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 05/11/05 at 15:07:51 More worried about that I put the ATF in last night, and haven't done an oil change yet. ;D Air filter came in today. And I felt it should be replaced because the original one had some seriously nasty looking stuff on it, half black and what looked like possible mold, so I'm investigating that when I get home. And the filter was $28 something, $34 shipped from Bikebandit. ($1 more than another place, but cheaper than the stealership and arrived in 3 days!) |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Red_Wine on 05/12/05 at 07:59:30 Further progress!!!! come'on, fire it up and get'er in the wind!!! ;) RW |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 05/12/05 at 12:54:41 Well, I have a gas can in the truck to fill up on the way home tonight. Oil change, a little bit of gas and hopefully VROOOM. Going to take some pics before I fire her up, the purple and suzuki blue don't match perfectly, but not horribly either. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 05/12/05 at 18:31:13 Did the oil and filter change, put gas in and fired her up.... Almost... she cranks, she sparks.... but no go. With the choke all the way out she'll run for 15 to 45 seconds at a time. Choke in a little she'll run for less. Any attempts at using the throttle and she dies instantly. Also noticed that the seals hadn't totally sealed so have some colored smoke from the muffler and some of the atf and oil dripping and burning from where the exhaust and muffler meet. Will post some pics tomorrow, I use dial-up at home and don't feel like spending an hour just uploading the pics ;D |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by lordzamize on 05/13/05 at 05:42:12 WAY TO GO!!! Now it's a matter of tinkering and she'll be good as new! |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 05/13/05 at 06:54:56 Well no pics this morning, storm knocked out the power last night and I didn't even think about the camera at work until this morning when I re-read my message from last night, lol. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 05/13/05 at 10:24:22 Seems like I have some carb checking to do. She does have fuel flow, though I'm not sure how much flow is normal or not. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 05/18/05 at 13:45:17 Looks like its gotten worse, more oil coming out of the exhaust. Still haven't figured out why it will idle with a full choke but die when any gas is applied. The oil coming out is still coming from inside the exhaust. Where the exhaust and muffler connect, it is dripping out of there, and when it gets hot enough of course it smokes like a chimney. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 05/20/05 at 08:35:30 Ignore my last post, I'm an idiot. Half asleep and frustrated is a bad time to post. Bike does have an oilleak, I haven't pinned it down yet. On an oddly positive note, she is running and idling on a full choke for even longer now. Was just idling for at least 2 minutes full choke. But still if I push the choke in any further, she starts sputtering and then dies. Also applying any gas and she dies. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Greg_650 on 05/20/05 at 09:49:56 Setral wrote:
Wait. Isn't this going on in another topic? I would like someone to explain how oil comes out of the inside of any exhaust....esecially on a bike that will run. Oil smoke in the exhaust like with bad rings, sure, but oil dripping out of the connection at the clamp makes no sense. Have you ever drained your air box? |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Savage_Rob on 05/20/05 at 10:03:29 Greg_650 wrote:
I was hoping to see that explained myself. I had no idea why that would occur but I'm far from a professional mechanic, so I thought I'd keep reading and maybe learn something. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Greg_650 on 05/20/05 at 10:17:57 Savage_Rob wrote:
Thanks...and I am talking about liquid oil too. Oil smoke does not cause liquid all over the underside of the bike because the oil burns off... Does the oil continue dripping when the engine has been cleaned and is not running? |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Mr 650 on 05/20/05 at 10:55:35 Hmmm smoke & oil on 1st crank. Worn intake guide?, Rusty cylinder blow-by? If the petc0ck was clogged then expect same for carb. Sounds like the carb is clogged up. Get a can or 2 of carb cleaner spray (Gumout). Put a towel over the starter and tranny as the carb cleaner may eat up what's left of the clearcoat on the side covers. Might just pull the bowl off and hose the inside of the bowl and carb good. Blast thru any orifices you see, unscrew the main jet and and see if you can blast it up thru the main. Check the gasket, & put the bowl back on, prime it and crank it back up and see if it will come off choke. If you get it to rev, would put a couple caps of Gumout (non-spray) in w/ every fill-up for awhile. Otherwise, a rebuild may be required to get it to run right. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 05/20/05 at 11:40:06 Thanks guys, just ignore the oil bit for now, I'll have to check into it some more. As for the other, yeah I've got the carb cleaner stuff just have to find the time. This weekend is booked, from tonight till Sunday. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Savage_Rob on 05/20/05 at 12:21:43 Setral wrote:
I know how that is. Mine too. :P |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 05/23/05 at 07:53:28 HAH! I snuck in 2 hours to tear apart and clean the carb. And guess what I found? Well the bowl had a little bit of sediment, which wasn't a huge deal but I cleaned it all up, even one of the floats was a little dirty. As I'm taking apart the carb, I'm finding a little bit of sediment here and there. But I pulled out the main jet, and holy sh*t the thing was packed full of crap. Quite litteraly the entire jet was full of rust/sediment. Sprayed it out, cleaned it up. Put all back together. And she idles perfectly on a full choke. With no choke she almost doesn't want to idle, idles but almost sounds like she's going to die. But the most important part.... I can actually give her throttle now without her dieing! Nothing like scaring the crap out of the children with the bike roaring to life then giving a lovely BANG! A few more things and she'll be ready to be inspected/licensed again. I still noticed the oil leak, where oil is getting on the bottom of the muffler clamp and then burning up. But, I haven't found out if there is still a leak or not. The problem is NOT from the spedo cable though, that entire area was cleaned before I fired her up, and running a clean white cloth across that area, picked nothing up before and after starting her for about 5 minutes. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Mr 650 on 05/23/05 at 10:02:52 Cool :) Did you say the oil has been changed? Setral wrote:
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 05/23/05 at 12:50:08 Yep, the oil was changed a week or two ago. After doing the ATF through the sparkplug hole, letting it set a few days, then drained the entire bike. Then added new oil, replaced filter. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Mr 650 on 05/23/05 at 13:11:24 Suppose some ATF was still in the head cylinder, not to mention that some might have gotten by the exhaust valve when you soaked 'er and made it's way down the header. Is the oil black? I know the tires are old, but if they held air and the brakes work, would have to do a slow cruise around the block a few times, put on a mile or so them come home and do an overall inspect/check for obvious stuff like loose bolts. ;D Might inspire you to replace the old rubber, speakin of which the vacuum hose from the carb over to the petc0ck is in that catagory now. Have you pulled the plug from the idle screw and adjusted that? I am optomistic and hope the carb will tune-up. I hope the "rehab" is nearly over and hope the patient is released on the open road soon. :) |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 05/23/05 at 13:15:14 Mr 650 wrote:
For the tires, yeah the old ones are still on her, holding air for now. But I do have a new set of Dunlop 404s to put on when I get around to it. I think I'll take the advice, air up the tires and take her out a bit. Sitting in this basement and running only 10 minutes tops standing still isn't showing me anything. I hope the patient is fully recovered and work ready soon too, the beast (86 bronco 2) is starting to eat oil now. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 05/23/05 at 13:24:15 Work numbing my mind... where is the idle screw again? |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Mr 650 on 05/25/05 at 06:23:14 Ok Setral, but last time I wandered in here I got "Truncated". If this blows up this time it's your fault. I am putting my helmet and leathers on prior to posting. Here is the Bobo photo of the Idle screw: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/bobo383/IdleMixture.jpg ..whew I'm still here. :P But 1st you have to drill a little hole in this brass plug, the folks at Mikuni have already center punched it fo' ya: http://predator.bikepics.com/pics/suzuki-savage-01-bikepics-351355.jpg (Durandal's photo w/ throttle pointer, thanks) and screw in a small sheet metal screw to make a handle, then grab the new " handle" w/ your pliers and yank the bugger out. Please DON"T drill into the adjuster screw underneath though. Setral wrote:
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Savage_Rob on 05/25/05 at 10:38:04 Okay, let's be sure this is straight here. The idle mixture screw is the one indicated in the photo with the RED arrow. DO NOT drill at the point indicated by the green arrow. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 05/26/05 at 07:00:39 I think when I looked at it the other day, my 87 I could see the screw already. But I didn't pay a lot of attention when I was cleaning out my carb. I'll check tonight, thanks Rob :) |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by lordzamize on 05/31/05 at 07:12:08 Setral, how's it coming? We haven't had any new information for a while now. ??? |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 06/01/05 at 10:48:34 Sorry, lol... been busy with family stuff this past week. I fired it up again last night just to be sure its still running ok. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 06/16/05 at 19:22:34 Holy hell, its been over two weeks since I was here last!!! Well, I took her out onto the driveway today, got her running for about 15 minutes. The only problem is once she warmed up, all I got was whitish smoke coming from the exhaust. The good thing to note, is even after running for 15 minutes, I didn't notice any oil dripping off of the bike, that was a problem previously. And after she warmed up the idling problem actually cleared up. Still have to fix the turn signals and have the tires swapped, but more curious to this white smoke issue. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Savage_Rob on 06/16/05 at 20:05:31 It's been a while but if I remember correctly, white smoke is burning oil. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by WD on 06/17/05 at 00:32:55 Sounds like the valve seals dried out during the sitting up period. My wife's 800 Intruder does that as well, didn't before sitting up for almost 3.5 years. Pop off the little oval valve covers, adjust the valves, and check out the seals while you are in there. I THINK the Savage uses standard rubber umbrella seals...Greg? Could be as simple as the valves aren't closing all the way and letting oil "weep" through... Keep up the good work. Sounds like it is coming along nicely. -WD |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Greg_650 on 06/17/05 at 14:28:10 WD wrote:
Me? I'm digging deep into my sometimes empty, mostly burned out, possibly dead memory bank and all that I remember are o-ring type seals on the valves. Maybe I'm thinking of a different engine, but I think they are round o-ring type |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Greg_650 on 06/17/05 at 14:36:06 Savage_Rob wrote:
Yes.....::) |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Greg_650 on 06/17/05 at 14:37:09 Setral wrote:
Did you add any oil to the gas? |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Kropatchek on 06/19/05 at 08:56:18 Greg_650 wrote:
Sorry to correct you guys, there's NO o-ring on the valves. It's a type like this: http://www.tcmseals.com/images/Valve-Stem-Seal.gif And can only be replaced with the cylinderhead off. I know there was another thread in which we discussed the trick to replace the seals with the valves and head in situ,, but thats beyond the scope of this thread. BTW: If the smoke is white and you think it's oil, you can defenitly smell it. Greetz Kropatchek ;D Kropatchek |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Greg_650 on 06/19/05 at 09:03:08 Okay. I sit corrected, but they are still "round". Yep, need to remove the head to change the seals. I even made my own spring compressor with a clamp to remove the keepers on the valve spring. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 06/23/05 at 14:27:11 I should pay more attention to the boards. As for the smell, it definately doesn't smell good. Its not just gasoline. And no, I didn't put any oil into the gas tank. The gas was straight Unleaded. Have family visiting for the next month, which means the chance of me getting anything done is even less than before. Ah well... I hope she'll be done before middle of July. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by sluggo on 06/23/05 at 15:02:11 Setral wrote:
in my best paul lynde voice. ya know the uncle on the old bewitched. "screw the family, get the bike running". ;D |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Savage_Rob on 06/23/05 at 17:55:06 Yup. Of Hollywood Squares fame and the voice of Templeton the rat on the Charlotte's Web cartoon. Wasn't he on Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In too? |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by sluggo on 06/23/05 at 22:09:44 Savage_Rob wrote:
it was somebody that looked simular. as a video editor i worked for thingy martin, i did a 50th birthday video for his wife, it had bob newhart, don rickles, james gardner, ed mc mahon and a host of others. all making birthday wishes and little jokes. |
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Title: Re: Ressurecting an 87 LS650PH Post by Setral on 06/29/05 at 15:09:42 lol.. you guys are a riot. I had her running, and tearing up the field for a good hour, with little to no smoke, and when I checked the next day I didn't notice any loss of oil. So, I'm beginning to wonder if maybe some of the ATF I used to lube her up, might have gotten into the exhaust and into the baffels. Need to finish the rear turnsignals (pull then, fix them, then reattachment) just haven't done it yet. And then I can see about getting it legal. Whew.... 100F today not counting the Heat Index, man the bike would have been tons better feeling than the Bronco II. |
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