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Re: Picking the best pistol caliber
Reply #45 - 06/05/23 at 12:33:17
 
No buffalo ever accused the 45-70 of "not being enough"  

Hay , back when I really used "Black powder" in my Black powder rifles I used 70grs behind a 220gr bullet.  

Now with the 209 shotgun primer rifles I just look up a load for the old trap-door 45-70 and push it down the barrel.   I still use the 220gr bullet ... those big bullets hurt too much on both ends !   Grin Grin

Thinking about the 45ACP ... I have a hard time believing that it's not enough bullet for people size targets .  I have a .357 lever action rifle (iron peep sights) that I've taken a lot of deer with.   That 158gr.swc-gas check bullet that lee makes the mold for has never failed to exit deer size targets , but it don't fit in my pocket very well ??  Undecided

So which gun fits in your pocket ?    And is comfortable to carry ??

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Reply #46 - 06/05/23 at 16:42:54
 
The Bond Arms company is now making a single barrel derringer that fires a 45-70.  Better get a good hold on that grip.
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Reply #47 - 06/05/23 at 20:14:17
 

"... So which gun fits in your pocket ?    And is comfortable to carry ?? ..."


My 3 cents.

Defense/Carry.  S&W 640 or Kimber K6s.
Both DAO, (Double Action Only) and in various configurations.
Both smooth, no visible hammer to hang/snag on things.
They go into a pocket, holster, or just lay in the drawer or console.
Both 38/357. ‘J’ frame size.
S&W is 5 shot, Kimber is 6 shot.
Both are quality reliable firearms.

Reason a Double Action Only should be used for defense Is if you ever had to use it, the Lawyer for the person you shot, WILL, say you did it on purpose and with malice.
Only One Way to shoot a DAO.

Next, use ONLY factory Ammunition.  ONLY.
Reloads can very easily be much more effective. Yet again the Attorney, WILL say anything, other than factory, is ‘malice’ (etc).

Self Defense, a Revolver.
No slide to pull back, no safety catch, no magazine not fully in, no not fire if Mag is out.
Revolver just pull the trigger. If a bad round, just pull it again.

Nothing wrong with Semi Autos, large clips, projected dot sites, different this or that.
Nothing wrong with any brand/stye/configuration/etc.
They are ALL fun to shoot.

As to what size, .22RF to 50-70.
What you have, is better than not having.
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Reply #48 - 06/05/23 at 20:45:21
 
MnSpring
You know what !
I have very similar arms :
    Taurus UL5shot38-2" but mine is double action
    also
    An eight shot 22lr UL-2"-J frame Charter Arms.  They are both easy to carry and are sooo light  !   Pocket holster or belt holster.

Why would double action only be better in court ?   Huh
I would think the 22lr would be better in court but I hope I never find out for sure !  
I got the "Law Shield" on stand by , but would rather pay them forever and never need them.  
   
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Reply #49 - 06/05/23 at 21:24:53
 
"... Why would double action only be better in court ? ..."

DAO can be fired only one way.
If you cocked the hammer on a DA/SA
and even the act of cocking the hammer on a SA
the Lawyer would most likely say:
'You Deliberately Shot ..."

 (Only Baldwin can coock a hammer on a SA, and it will fire without pulling the trigger)

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Reply #50 - 06/05/23 at 22:12:44
 
MnSpring wrote on 06/05/23 at 21:24:53:
 (Only Baldwin can coock a hammer on a SA, and it will fire without pulling the trigger)


Oh hell... the gun loaded itself too.
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Reply #51 - 06/05/23 at 22:49:18
 
Well , ladies and gentlemen ... this person was going to kill me if I didn't !   I'd do the same again to protect any person on this jury.

Only fire in self defense or to save the life of another incent person.   There are so many predators' out looking for a victim ... its only a matter of time before we are all targeted.   It would seem like any DA worthy of their office would know who the predators are.

Maybe I'm over confidant in the "Good" of my fellow citizens ?   Huh


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Reply #52 - 06/06/23 at 08:49:35
 
44 magnum - for when an intruder is behind the refridgerator - in your neighbor's house!
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Reply #53 - 06/06/23 at 09:24:40
 
Grin Grin Grin Grin    Grin Grin

No , just borrow that 40 cal. 45ACP  monster that started this thread .

I really preferer the "Most gun I can get" , but I can't pocket the "Most gun I can get" ...  
so
What else can ya do ?   Undecided
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Reply #54 - 06/06/23 at 14:26:11
 
Sew on a bigger pocket, or get a 45-70 derringer.
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Reply #55 - 06/06/23 at 16:03:43
 
I have a Beretta PX4 Storm 9mm.  It was the most comfortable fit in my hand out of all the pistols I picked up.
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Reply #56 - 06/06/23 at 19:22:13
 

So far we have members picking out calibers and guns according to "how comfortable they feel in their hand" and what the internet tells them is cool and can go bang more times than the other guns.

380 acp small pistols are being picked despite folks like Ayob telling you the caliber is just too weak and the barrels are too short to get the bullets to penetrate and expand to even meet the very minimum FBI standards.

MM mentions double tapping as a 9mm fix.  A BG that is double tapped may die more frequently at the end of the fight, but he will still be shooting rounds back at you in the meantime and will not be "stopped" fast enough unless he happens to get hit in the spine.

Mashed up lungs may kill your BG after he has run 20 yards like a deer would do, but he has time to rack up a half dozen hits on you on the way.

Shoot for the spine works instantly every time --- and yes, a lead practice round from my 40 caliber S&W can get there better than anything 380 acp ..... and better than most things in 9x18 that are designed to the current FBI restrictions on overpenetrating which result in chronically not reaching the spine.




A, B, C, D zones are marked in order of "effective spinal shooting" .....


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Reply #57 - 06/06/23 at 19:33:30
 
I carry just about every where I go and if a state don't recognize my TN permit then I just go around that State .   Everyday carry limits the firearm size most of the time.

Lancer , I've got a two shot over/under derringer that is chambered in 32HR Mag.  Well the grip lets me get one and a half fingers on grip.   The bottom barrel recoils into the palm of the hand ... but ... that top barrel ... is a totally different story , I've set it for top barrel first for a couple of young folks - then I move around behind them and wait for the pistol to come flying over their heads when it goes off ,  Grin .
Ya have to let the meanest out or ya might blow-up  Wink
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Reply #58 - 06/07/23 at 07:06:14
 

MM's quote of the day

"Let the meaness out of them".    

Yeppers, all 26 rounds of 40 caliber 175 grain powder coated cast lead meaness at a very moderate low pressure low kicking 1,000 fps --- each shot well able to shoot through and break a BG's spine and stop him cold.

I could rapidly deal out triple taps to 5 perps and have rounds available to shoot clean up to those who were still firing.

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Reply #59 - 06/07/23 at 10:11:36
 
I had to open the image in a new tab to see it ???

OK
If no body else is going to ask then I will :

Have you weighed that thing with a full magazine ?

I'm guessing 2.5 pounds plus ?    

I had one of those 17+ 1  9mm's one time and  never carried it because when I loaded it up ... then ... it pulled my pants down !   Grin
Mostly it just layed around the house waiting on a home-invasion.   Well ...
Nobody ever invaded so I traded it off.
But
If somebody ever did invade my house now (while I'm home) ... I'm sure I'd be under gun-ed , I could make an invader feel very un-welcome with my little pop guns .   I shoot carpenter bees with those little pop guns all the time.  Wink
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