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Removing the Cylinder Head with Engine in Frame
01/05/21 at 15:23:56
 
In a thread started by WunGun “Clunky/Tapping Engine Sound (10/17/20)”, I responded to a post by jd290 that asked if the head could be removed without removing the engine from the frame.  At that time, I was confident that the engine would have to come out of the frame.

Niceast came back with a post stating that he had removed his head with the engine still in the frame.  I asked how he accomplished that, and also reached out to the rest of the forum.  No reply.  I’m sure some of you already know that Niceast is correct.  You can remove the cylinder head without removing the engine.  I humbly stand corrected.  A BIG shoutout to Niceast.
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Reply #1 - 01/05/21 at 15:24:40
 
I have a lot of plans for different projects that involve removing the cylinder head.   Working the top end without tearing the whole engine out of the frame would be a bonus.
 
I was finished with all my exhaust system tests.  It was time to remove the 94mm engine and reinstall the 97mm engine.  Since my next project (install & test the Wiseco 94mm flat-top) would require tearing down the top end, why not see if I could remove the cylinder head with the 94mm engine still in the frame?
 
Let’s look at the problem and how to get around it.
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Reply #2 - 01/05/21 at 15:25:28
 
With the engine in the frame, there is only 2-1/16” clearance between the intake valves and the frame (maybe 2-1/4” if you hold the scale straight up & down).  On my head, the valves are a bit taller than the stock valves.  With a stock cylinder head, this measurement would probably be more on the order of 2-1/8”.
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Reply #3 - 01/05/21 at 15:26:12
 
Unfortunately, the right-rear cylinder stud sticks out of the cylinder 3-1/4”.   With that stud in-place, you have to raise the head about 3-5/16” just to clear the stud.  The valves will hit the frame long before you clear the stud.
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Reply #4 - 01/05/21 at 15:26:48
 
The left-rear stud is shorter.  The head could be removed with the left rear stud in place, but it would be tight, and there would be risk of gouging the head gasket sealing surface.
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Reply #5 - 01/05/21 at 15:27:38
 
The studs only protrude from the cylinder head about 3/8” to 7/16”.  Not a lot to grab and there’s no room for the double-nut trick.  You don’t wanna go grabbin on those threads with a pair of vicegrip pliers.
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Reply #6 - 01/05/21 at 15:28:14
 
If you modify an M9x1.25 nut you can use it to get a grip on the stud without chewing up the threads.  Use a hacksaw to cut through one side of the nut and partially through the other side.
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Reply #7 - 01/05/21 at 15:29:12
 
Now the special spilt-nut can be threaded onto the stud.  Vicegrip pliers can be used to pinch the nut on the stud and back the stud out.  This assumes that the stud wasn’t set with red Loctite, in which case you’re screwed.

Removing the right-rear stud using the split nut is a slow process.  It takes patience, but it works OK.
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Reply #8 - 01/05/21 at 15:31:00
 
It works on the left-rear stud too.  Again, takes patience but works OK.
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Reply #9 - 01/05/21 at 15:31:54
 
I didn’t try it but I’m sure the split-nut will work fine on the left-front stud.  The right-front stud???  Not happenin.  Vicegrip pliers ain’t goin down that rabbit hole.
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Reply #10 - 01/05/21 at 15:32:35
 
Once the rear studs are out, there’s enough room to remove the cylinder head.  The rear chain guide makes things a bit clumsy.  I suggest you remove the rear chain guide before attempting to lift the head off.
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Reply #11 - 01/05/21 at 15:33:25
 
With the cylinder head out of the way, the forward studs and froward chain guide can be removed.   Take these out and I bet there’s enough room to remove the cylinder.
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Reply #12 - 01/05/21 at 15:34:03
 
It’s the freeway of love.  Nothin in the way now.
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Reply #13 - 01/05/21 at 15:34:38
 
With all the studs removed and the chain guides removed, the cylinder is ready to lift.  You want to position the piston at bottom dead center.  To keep the crank and piston from moving, you can hold the crankshaft in place with vicegrip pliers and bailing wire.  Grab the flats on the primary drive gear nut so as not to damage any critical running surfaces.
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Re: Removing the Cylinder Head with Engine in Fram
Reply #14 - 01/05/21 at 15:35:17
 
Wooden wedges work great for breaking the base gasket joint.  The wedges spread the force out over a large area, and they are soft, so they don’t chew up the finish on the engine case or cylinder.
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