Eegore wrote on 12/29/20 at 11:24:27:


Like toothpaste out of the tube (or election votes too apparently) no one’s going to listen to any provisional coding BS. The John Hopkins coronavirus tracker or CDC guides the news programs to spread the gospel that 336,000 have died of Covid. Doesn’t matter if it’s really only 150,000. Three years from now when they audit all their deaths with the kids and change the number. No one‘s gonna care and will barely get mentioned. Hundreds if not thousands of politicians across the country based decisions on facts which are true. That happens every single day and the topic of Covid is no different. They don’t care what you think, they care what Lester Holt on NBC thinks, they care what CNN says, that’s all they care about.

Now uncle Joe is going to appoint a climate czar who’s going to destroy the country and economy over “facts” that aren’t true.

"Like toothpaste out of the tube (or election votes too apparently) no one’s going to listen to any provisional coding BS. The John Hopkins coronavirus tracker or CDC guides the news programs to spread the gospel that 336,000 have died of Covid. Doesn’t matter if it’s really only 150,000."

 My experience is that you are not the only human capable of doing that exact math.  

 As for legislation, my experience has been limited, I have only written national policy once and the rest has been specific to CO.  Not once did anyone look at anything on NBC to make a decision.

"They don’t care what you think, they care what Lester Holt on NBC thinks, they care what CNN says, that’s all they care about."

 I've sat 24 hour shifts at the CO ICC for months due to Covid, I have mentioned that here multiple times.  Not once was "the news" taken into account when I was there.  CNN actually was never on a single TV anywhere in that command center.  Epidemiologists, Economists, CDOT, etc. are the one's in there going over metrics and forging plans.  We didn't create a dual reporting system by watching NBC, we did by assessing the CDC's new method and finding it to be below our operational standard for accurate reporting.  

 Responses are sectioned by county, except for a few high density or low density areas so each level is managed more appropriate based off of outcomes in that county.  Not by CNN, not by Holt, by that county.  No amount of national news will reflect the infection rates of CO, so that news is useless to us.

 So yeah maybe some places are watching TV and using that to decide how to run their economy, but that's not what is happening in CO, unless they went to that strategy very recently.

". . . Oh NO Mr. Bill ! . . ."

Oh NO Mr. Bill !
December, after Christmas will be the worst ever ...

Oh NO Mr. Bill !
January will be the worst ever ...

Oh NO Mr. Bill !
Their is a new strain that is "going to KILL you"
                  (Jeff Dunham LOL)

Oh NO Mr. Bill !
The new vaccine may take 8 years to get to everybody ...

Oh NO Mr. Bill !
It may take 10 years before we get heard immunity ...

Cheese and Rice, what do the UL, FDS, DFI, Socialistic handlers want the sheapol  to stand in line for now !
They have already STOLE the election !

When a college opens and every medical center nearby has a 77% or higher increase in ICU usage within 30 days do we say CNN is full of sh!t, keep the college open?  
I’m gonna call BS on that but there’s a difference between local events and national/worldwide misinformation.

Let me put it in the form of a question; what percentage of Covid information the average citizen hears or reads is accurate?

Policy is not made by average citizens using Twitter, or MSNBC to make decisions.  The data we use is provided by the institutions reporting it, not by WHO, not by CNN.  So again, how is the data we use filtered "before" it gets to us?  Not the average citizen, but the people who are "basing policy" as you indicated?


And you think those “institutions reporting it” aren’t influenced by their politics? When I had my recent prostate surgery. I was told the delay in getting me a room was due to an influx of Covid patients. The reality was it was due to the hospital furloughing housekeeping staff when business had dropped off significantly because elective surgeries were being put off. If I had been “somebody“ and that story made the news, it would’ve been that poor little WebsterMark was forced to wait for a room because of Covid. That simply isn’t true. In fact, it’s purposely deceitful.

I read yesterday Maryann of Gilligan’s Island died of Covid. Then I read elsewhere in greater detail that she didn’t die of Covid she died of other complications and tested positive for Covid but she’ll go down as another Covid death. Another brick in the wall of “facts“ that policy is driven from.

Our St Louis County Executive has mandated lockdowns. When confronted with plenty of data that his especially harmful focus on restaurants is not justifiable, he ignores. The local papers, whose policies mirror any definition of liberal,  love his position and endorse it fervently. You can’t tell me his position isn’t influenced by local and national media. (Ironic that he’s a physician)
Across the river is St Charles County whose governance is more conservative and they’ve got less restrictions.

Compare those two counties as one following CNN and the other follow Fox.

Like I said, I think you’re being a little naïve if you think national media doesn’t influence data that you get. Even if you unbiased Lee make policy decisions based off of that data, you are unknowingly making decisions from data that’s tainted by someone’s politics.

And I would point out that it’s been my observation that people in positions that report data have a far higher interest in a political ideology than the average person. I don’t think you can rise to certain positions without endorsing a political persuasion of one sort or another.

"And you think those “institutions reporting it” aren’t influenced by their politics? When I had my recent prostate surgery. I was told the delay in getting me a room was due to an influx of Covid patients. The reality was it was due to the hospital furloughing housekeeping staff when business had dropped off significantly because elective surgeries were being put off. If I had been “somebody“ and that story made the news, it would’ve been that poor little WebsterMark was forced to wait for a room because of Covid. That simply isn’t true. In fact, it’s purposely deceitful."


 I can see that happening however if a facility made that report officially to the State, there would be an assessment for criminal charges for false reporting.  Telling you there is " too  many Covid patients" is a significantly different than reporting to an organization that is auditing their census.  

 They would have to fabricate the patient loads, as in input patient ID's that are not physically present in the building, create charts, labs and results, movement orders to ICU and then close those rooms out with nobody in them, then get ICU staff to fabricate patient outcomes in real time.  To declare deaths they would then have to fabricate death certs, make a body double to take up the physical space (must match audit weight), get the coroner to fabricate an official record (part of CO dual recording) and then get families to pretend the person is dead.



 Again a big difference from garbage news, which you address:

"If I had been “somebody“ and that story made the news, it would’ve been that poor little WebsterMark was forced to wait for a room because of Covid. That simply isn’t true. In fact, it’s purposely deceitful."

 
 Is it the State policy makers using that "news" program to make their decisions, or the lab results double counted, from the Medical center cross referenced with the Lab provider?  I can tell you from the rooms I sat in nobody looks to a news story for elective surgery cancellation data.  They look at documentation for 3-S that would require many steps to fully cover-up if it were fraudulent.  



"Our St Louis County Executive has mandated lockdowns. When confronted with plenty of data that his especially harmful focus on restaurants is not justifiable, he ignores. The local papers, whose policies mirror any definition of liberal,  love his position and endorse it fervently. You can’t tell me his position isn’t influenced by local and national media. (Ironic that he’s a physician)
Across the river is St Charles County whose governance is more conservative and they’ve got less restrictions."


 That may be how it works where you are.  Where I sit the Governor isn't reading the local paper to see what they said about him to decide if a college campus needs closed.  There 7 factors taken into account for that one topic.  Those factors all have two sets of collection and another two of verification by third party.  In the rare case a local official makes a standalone ruling for their county that ruling is looked over.
 


Like I said, I think you’re being a little naïve if you think national media doesn’t influence data that you get. Even if you unbiased Lee make policy decisions based off of that data, you are unknowingly making decisions from data that’s tainted by someone’s politics."

 I agree with that, which is why a college self-report and county numbers can't be the only factors taken into account for closure.  They may have bias to under-report or over-report cases, attendance etc.  So comparative demographics, GPS/Cellphone data, medical center census, CDOT, Medical transportation, Independent lab reporting, Life-care Facility census must all be used to create a decision.  7 factors of additional data to evaluate that one college report.  

 So yeah, the politics are there but I think the viewpoint that the State Governor is watching CNN and looking at some hospital statements about elective surgeries, or restaurant closures, would be how decisions are made is rudimentary at best.  At least where I am.

I'll hafta ask permission,,