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Title: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 12/04/20 at 06:24:31 WOW, even MORE fear. Just to see how many sheep one dog can herd ! See post: Re: Miracle Vaccine Reply #2 - Nov 30th, 2020, |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 12/05/20 at 06:49:40 And the level of, manufactured FEAR rises again ! So, 'everyone' get's the vaccine. 'Everyone', get's paper on that vaccination so they can, prove they did it. And be notified of the followup shot. All for the start of another data base. Accomplishing exactly what the Socialist handlers want. The anti-Freedom Socialists have already proven they can rig a election, and put up no-nothing puppets, who will do the absolute bidding of what they are told to do. And the, 'Fear', will accomplish the collecting and documenting the people throughout the US, so they can be categorized into groups, so they can be, 'Dealt' with, as per the group they are in. Get ready, in 5-8 years from now, (If another Socialist get's elected as POTUS) Roadside checks, "Papers Please" And keep the silver pre 1964 1/2 dollars cause you will need one to buy a loaf of bread/carton of eggs/gallon of milk. Of course if their is a President like JFK/Reagan/Trump, their will be no more 'papers please', yet, that, heightened FEAR, database that was created, will be sitting in the wings to be put into force when the Socialists want to take, via cheating, control again. A Question for the tt clones, Why, 'No Voter ID', YET, are in support of a, 'card', saying you were vaccinated and can travel about the Country ? While you are at it, also explain why a Firearm that you want Banned, is perfectly OK to be used to defend, 'Chad', (or whatever it is called now), And a ID/DL is necessary to have before you can enter 'Chad' ? Or just more examples of, YOU can, someone else can not ! |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/05/20 at 11:24:28 Question for the tt clones, Why, 'No Voter ID', YET, are in support of a, 'card', saying you were vaccinated and can travel about the Country ? While you are at it, also explain why a Firearm that you want Banned, is perfectly OK to be used to defend, 'Chad', (or whatever it is called now), And a ID/DL is necessary to have before you can enter 'Chad' ? Or just more examples of, YO Just can't WAIT for the logical explanation on those. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/05/20 at 12:25:00 "Why, 'No Voter ID', YET, are in support of a, 'card', saying you were vaccinated and can travel about the Country ?" Where did this come from? MnSpring is the only source I am aware of. Same place the 5.5 percent fatality rate and the distilled water came from. As for CHAD it was all illegal. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by NHLycan on 12/05/20 at 13:46:53 I'm all for people refusing vaccination. That'll make it easier for people who deserve to live to get access to the limited supply. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Serowbot on 12/05/20 at 14:35:59 Never thought of that... very Darwinian... :-? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by eau de sauvage on 12/05/20 at 15:28:38 171115203A3837590 wrote:
Not only that but knowing that there are refuseniks who will be infectious will encourage more people to take up the vaccine as well. It's a win/win. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 12/05/20 at 17:41:43 i-phone 11 cost 700.00 - $1,000 - Sept 10, 2019 And people stood in line, overnight, in the bitter cold to get one. The i-phone 12 costs, 800.00 - 1,100.00 - Oct 23, 2020 And people stood in line, overnight, in the bitter cold to get one. (When the i-phone 11 worked perfectly ok) Most likely gonna be the same will stand in line to get a ‘vaccine’ ! LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 12/05/20 at 17:45:37 6545474F5245200 wrote:
What was it that tt, very often said, about looking something up, yourself ? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/05/20 at 18:31:23 "What was it that tt, very often said, about looking something up, yourself ?" And you call other people TT clones. I have never said that you should look something up yourself, I provide reference or indicate I do not have it. As usual you deflect when you can't provide reference and somehow think blaming a past forum member for your behavior makes any sense at all. You made up that the vaccine is distilled water and we all know that. As for 5.5% fatality of SARS-COV-2 vaccine, that's not true as 5.5% of trial participants did not die. At best that number comes from people that don't know what a control group is and that those people do not receive a vaccine, or from articles such as this: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.00444/full |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by eau de sauvage on 12/05/20 at 23:06:02 As usual you deflect when you can't provide reference Were you expecting something more, from someone who spams their own thread with tiresome iPhone posts as people used to post about 5 years ago? Doesn't even understand that people who buy an iPhone were not necessarily upgrading from the model before. Not that it matters, this is someone who just tries to put everyone in some sort of clichéd meme box, and not only posts mostly nonsense but decorates his nonsense with little carefully arranged emoticons and bizarrely intricate formatting. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by NHLycan on 12/06/20 at 03:37:35 On top of that there are better things to do than trying to explain mathematics and epidemiology to a semiliterate. It's like expecting a rat to play the piano. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by WebsterMark on 12/06/20 at 06:05:46 semiliterate Hey, NHLycan, regarding calling my friend Mnspring that, Xxxx xxx you obnoxious, condescending over educated but ignorant SOB. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/06/20 at 06:07:09 Here we go again. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by WebsterMark on 12/06/20 at 06:59:16 That comment towards Mnspring was out of line. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Serowbot on 12/06/20 at 07:20:31 Welcome to the Perp Walk... NHLycan and Webster Serow |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/06/20 at 10:34:16 "That comment towards Mnspring was out of line." Ahh the old he did it first routine. Who cares man, all we can do is control what we do on here, not anyone else. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 12/07/20 at 06:46:27 3325322F37222F34400 wrote:
A-Yep, If nhlycan, only, would have made that remark, nothing would have been done. It was only, AFTER, WM made a remark, the 'Perp Walk', was enforced. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Serowbot on 12/07/20 at 07:10:42 Mn,... I let Web slide after calling me a "loon" No complaints from you there. You defended it. I'm sure you would be the perfect moderator. Why don't you show me by moderating yourself? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by WebsterMark on 12/07/20 at 11:02:28 Yea but let’s face in Sew, you said this was the most secure election ever so........ |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Serowbot on 12/07/20 at 13:21:55 Trump's people said that :-? 'Most secure ever:' Trump officials contradict his election claims The Department of Homeland Security issued a statement saying the November 3rd, 2020, election was the most secure election in history. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/07/20 at 15:36:16 You know nothing about Republicans in name only Obviously |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by oldNslow on 12/07/20 at 18:45:23 4B5D4A574F5A574C380 wrote:
Trump doesn't have "people" in official Washington. He isn't a member of the club. Finding members of Trumps Administration who will contradict everything he says regardless of it's merit or veracity, is a trivial exercise for the media as it exists today. Ironically, that same media, and the folks who believe the bullsh*t that the media shovels, will soon discover, when they are no longer useful, that they aren't in the club either. The commies run the club. They hate Trump for sure. But if you think that they like the peons who voted in the regime that's coming down the road any better, you are just kidding yourself. That's just they way they roll. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by WebsterMark on 12/07/20 at 18:54:27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn1dppT6iZA Set as much of your bias aside and watch. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by WebsterMark on 12/07/20 at 19:02:05 By John Ratcliffe , Writing In The Wall Street Journal Dec. 3, 2020 1:20 pm ET As Director of National Intelligence, I am entrusted with access to more intelligence than any member of the U.S. government other than the president. I oversee the intelligence agencies, and my office produces the President’s Daily Brief detailing the threats facing the country. If I could communicate one thing to the American people from this unique vantage point, it is that the People’s Republic of China poses the greatest threat to America today, and the greatest threat to democracy and freedom world-wide since World War II. The intelligence is clear: Beijing intends to dominate the U.S. and the rest of the planet economically, militarily and technologically. Many of China’s major public initiatives and prominent companies offer only a layer of camouflage to the activities of the Chinese Communist Party. I call its approach of economic espionage “rob, replicate and replace.” China robs U.S. companies of their intellectual property, replicates the technology, and then replaces the U.S. firms in the global marketplace. Take Sinovel. In 2018 a federal jury found the Chinese wind-turbine manufacturer guilty of stealing trade secrets from American Superconductor. Penalties were imposed but the damage was done. The theft resulted in the U.S. company losing more than $1 billion in shareholder value and cutting 700 jobs. Today Sinovel sells wind turbines world-wide as if it built a legitimate business through ingenuity and hard work rather than theft. The FBI frequently arrests Chinese nationals for stealing research-and-development secrets. Until the head of Harvard’s Chemistry Department was arrested earlier this year, China was allegedly paying him $50,000 a month as part of a plan to attract top scientists and reward them for stealing information. The professor has pleaded not guilty to making false statements to U.S. authorities. Three scientists were ousted in 2019 from MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston over concerns about China’s theft of cancer research. The U.S. government estimates that China’s intellectual-property theft costs America as much as $500 billion a year, or between $4,000 and $6,000 per U.S. household. China also steals sensitive U.S. defense technology to fuel President Xi Jinping’s aggressive plan to make China the world’s foremost military power. U.S. intelligence shows that China has even conducted human testing on members of the People’s Liberation Army in hope of developing soldiers with biologically enhanced capabilities. There are no ethical boundaries to Beijing’s pursuit of power. China is also developing world-class capabilities in emerging technologies. Its intelligence services use their access to tech firms such as Huawei to enable malicious activities, including the introduction of vulnerabilities into software and equipment. Huawei and other Chinese firms deny this, but China’s efforts to dominate 5G telecommunications will only increase Beijing’s opportunities to collect intelligence, disrupt communications and threaten user privacy world-wide. I have personally told U.S. allies that using such Chinese-owned technology will severely limit America’s ability to share vital intelligence with them. China already suppresses U.S. web content that threatens the Communist Party’s ideological control, and it is developing offensive cyber capabilities against the U.S. homeland. This year China engaged in a massive influence campaign that included targeting several dozen members of Congress and congressional aides. Consider this scenario: A Chinese-owned manufacturing facility in the U.S. employs several thousand Americans. One day, the plant’s union leader is approached by a representative of the Chinese firm. The businessman explains that the local congresswoman is taking a hard-line position on legislation that runs counter to Beijing’s interests—even though it has nothing to do with the industry the company is involved in—and says the union leader must urge her to shift positions or the plant and all its jobs will soon be gone. The union leader contacts his congresswoman and indicates that his members won’t support her re-election without a change in position. He tells himself he’s protecting his members, but in that moment he’s doing China’s bidding, and the congresswoman is being influenced by China, whether she realizes it or not. Our intelligence shows that Beijing regularly directs this type of influence operation in the U.S. I briefed the House and Senate Intelligence committees that China is targeting members of Congress with six times the frequency of Russia and 12 times the frequency of Iran. To address these threats and more, I have shifted resources inside the $85 billion annual intelligence budget to increase the focus on China. This shift must continue to ensure U.S. intelligence has the resources it needs to give policy makers unvarnished insights into China’s intentions and activities. Within intelligence agencies, a healthy debate and shift in thinking is already under way. For the talented intelligence analysts and operators who came up during the Cold War, the Soviet Union and Russia have always been the focus. For others who rose through the ranks at the turn of this century, counterterrorism has been top of mind. But today we must look with clear eyes at the facts in front of us, which make plain that China should be America’s primary national security focus going forward. Other nations must understand this is true for them as well. The world is being presented a choice between two wholly incompatible ideologies. China’s leaders seek to subordinate the rights of the individual to the will of the Communist Party. They exert government control over companies and subvert the privacy and freedom of their citizens with an authoritarian surveillance state. We shouldn’t assume that Beijing’s efforts to drag the world back into the dark will fail just because the forces of good have triumphed before in modern times. China believes that a global order without it at the top is a historical aberration. It aims to change that and reverse the spread of liberty around the world. Beijing is preparing for an open-ended period of confrontation with the U.S. Washington should also be prepared. Leaders must work across partisan divides to understand the threat, speak about it openly, and take action to address it. This is our once-in-a-generation challenge. Americans have always risen to the moment, from defeating the scourge of fascism to bringing down the Iron Curtain. This generation will be judged by its response to China’s effort to reshape the world in its own image and replace America as the dominant superpower. The intelligence is clear. Our response must be as well. Mr. Ratcliffe is U.S. director of national intelligence. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by oldNslow on 12/07/20 at 19:25:14 The bottom line: Biden is China's bit*ch, just like Obama was Iran's. And of course, once Biden is disposed of by his own party, we get Kamala. Who has already demonstrated beyond the shadow of a doubt, that she is willing to be anybody's bit*ch. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by WebsterMark on 12/08/20 at 04:23:37 Absolutely Old. We’re F’d. That’s an unbelievable speech that guy made. And I don’t know if you noticed the one thing that really pissed me off when they showed the audience laughing at one of his comments about us. The news media has evolved from being hyper partisan to traitorous. They’ll preach constantly Biden’s China connection is good for all of us while we bankrupt our economy because the Chinese virus. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 12/11/20 at 07:48:10 “...All DNR patients included in this study had an active DNR order at the time of hospital admission. Patients who received a DNR order at any stage during their time in the hospital after admission were excluded to eliminate any confounding variables. All deceased patients had a death certificate stating COVID-19 was the primary cause of death….” Another one of the ways, FEAR, is implicated, get the sheople to stand in line. https://www.cidjournal.com/article/S0738-081X(20)30231-5/fulltext?s=09 |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/11/20 at 11:54:09 "Another one of the ways, FEAR, is implicated, get the sheople to stand in line." I read the entire thing. I also read it here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7698831/ Convenient the quote was cut off before it went into this: Patient demographic data were collected with respect to age, age group (< 60, [ch8805] 60 years), gender, reason for admission, COVID-19 symptoms at the time of admission, and comorbidities. Comorbidity data were collected for metabolic disease (i.e. diabetes mellitus, electrolyte abnormality, vitamin deficiency or anemias); lung disease (i.e. chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, restrictive lung disease, or asthma); cardiovascular disease (i.e. congestive heart failure; coronary artery disease; or peripheral vascular disease); kidney disease (i.e. acute kidney injury, or chronic kidney disease); liver disease (i.e. cirrhosis, hepatitis B/C, or alcoholic hepatitis); neurologic disease (i.e. dementia, or cerebrovascular accidents); immunologic disease (i.e. immunodeficiency disorders or autoimmune disease) or active malignancy at the time of admission. So they did what they always do on all death certificates, and they evaluated as they did pre-Covid. This idea that they say "Cause of death Covid 19" is complete nonsense, but by refusing to look at the certs and the CDC step by step breakdown of provisional data documenting, we can say they are all "Documented Covid deaths" by means of plausible deniability. The study selected people with comorbidity, and the elderly, incidentally the exact demographic SARS-COV-2 hits the hardest. Of course when they choose to input data from the highest risk patients they get these results. Of course I'm not surprised with this coming from someone that doesn't know what a "case" is and argues that lacerations in the ED use up ventilators and N95's as if triage no longer exists. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 12/11/20 at 13:22:59 More and more people are getting tested every day, several thousands in each state. Many test positive, because they have, or had, the common cold. Have or had, the common flue. Have one of the last, ‘pandemic’ flu’s. Had a flu shot this year. Had c-19 and did not know it. Had/have c-19 and show no symptoms. YET, the mainstream Press, and ‘government officials’, Still Report: CASES. Cases - purposely SCARING, so sheople get in line. Instead of reporting the TRUTH. Like, (numbers are a example), … we tested 4,000 people today. And of those, 2,000 tested positive. And of those, 10 have been hospitalized ... But NOPE, Spread the FEAR by saying, over and Over and OVER, again, and Again, and AGAIN: ... Two THOUSAND, NEW C-19 Cases, JUST Today !!!!! ... |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/11/20 at 13:40:36 Anyone that thinks 203,229 people were hospitalized in a day already lives in fear. I don't know anyone that thinks when CNN says 2,000 new cases they think 2,000 people died or were hospitalized, but I am sure there are those that do. If they do not want educate themselves, or listen to anyone else, and let CNN control their fear levels that is on them. Maybe cutting apart another study and leaving out the details will further support that idea. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 12/17/20 at 06:34:53 Ya know, Have not heard of any, 'Mass Shootings', lately !!! Did c-19, replace the, FEAR, the pocket stuffing Socialists are using, to herd the shepol over the cliff ? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/17/20 at 10:25:20 Depends on where you get your news. I heard of a few through social media channels, and one on "the news" in TX. https://theconversation.com/mass-shootings-in-the-us-have-risen-sharply-in-2020-why-150981 |
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Title: Re: More Fearyuvcybi Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/17/20 at 16:34:33 No, it depends on whether someone is willing to pretend that since You have heard one or two things instead of the level of hysteria that WAS associated,,,, I'm done typing about that.. For all your posturing and"researching " everything and the pretending that everything you believe only comes after careful consideration, it's just Frikken hilarious watching you hide from the obvious .. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/17/20 at 17:34:58 Or maybe I use open databases instead of the nightly news and websites that reinforce what I already think and Facebook to compile information and make a decision on what I think is happening. Bottom line is there are news outlets that still report on mass shootings. Just because you don't see them consistently doesn't mean they don't happen consistently. Last "mass shootings" newscasts I saw on TV were when I was in Houston. Two in less than a week. Now will CNN report on C-19 more than shootings? Of course, C-19 is where the ratings are specific to the demographic they get advertisers to pay for. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 12/22/20 at 07:57:54 Runnnn Away, Fear the Killer Rabbits (Monty Python) Meda: Rush Rush, Hurry Hurry, Get the vaccine/s A NEW, killer strain coming from the UK !!!!!! |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/22/20 at 08:28:00 Don't forget the Murder Hornets. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/22/20 at 09:52:57 Howcum they run a swab WAAAY BACK in the sinuses? Why can't you just exhale on it? Spit? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/22/20 at 10:01:55 "Howcum they run a swab WAAAY BACK in the sinuses? Why can't you just exhale on it? Spit?" Accuracy. It's like saying you can hit a target with iron sights, but you can only make precise shots in center ring with a scope. Testing ideally should be as accurate as possible, which is why blood tests are more accurate when done from vacutainer than from IV and much better than punching yourself in the nose and bleeding into a vial. Anterior nasal swab tests should have fluid from the entire passageway, especially for nucleic acid testing. The test will have cleaner sample material that way and give a more accurate reading. The lower down the passageway the more likely a test will be inconclusive. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 12/24/20 at 09:23:37 5A7A78706D7A1F0 wrote:
So then a better, more competent test, for remnants of a virus like a cold, last year's regular flu, or a vaccine for any of the kind. Just so the main 'media' can lie and scare more people with, 'XXXXXX new cases just today !' |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/27/20 at 13:15:20 "So then a better, more competent test, for remnants of a virus like a cold, last year's regular flu, or a vaccine for any of the kind. Just so the main 'media' can lie and scare more people with, 'XXXXXX new cases just today !'" Well since you reject the international definition of "case" and will not provide your own definition I'd say your input on this is confusing at best. If a person with an infection is not a "case" then what is? Testing will not show that "last year's regular flu" so "the media" is really wrong there. I say it's the person who believes that nonsense that is the problem. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/28/20 at 20:44:06 A CNA I know works in a Veterans retirement home. When she's been exposed she takes a quick test. If it's positive then she takes a regular CDC approved test. When it came back negative she hadda take another. Score Additional CASE Even though it was a false positive. This scenario has been repeated MULTIPLE TIMES by some of her co-workers. A PROVEN FALSE POSITIVE STILL GETS COUNTED. Yeah, everyone knows including known bad data makes for a more accurate count later |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by WebsterMark on 12/29/20 at 05:33:22 There’s an unknown percentage of Covid deaths that can be disregarded from the official list. What that percentage is could never be determined with certainty, it’s to late. My guess is 25% but that’s a guess. You can look at the CDC report and see thousands who died from accidental death, intentional or otherwise. Someone killed themselves or fell off a ladder when they had Covid and they’re on the list? What sense does that make? What percentage of Covid deaths were people over the average life expectancy? We’ll never know the real number. As far as number of cases, my guess is it’s twice the official number. My guess is there’s far more people who felt no symptoms they related to Covid or they figured they had it based on symptoms and never got a test. That was probably more likely earlier in the year. The response to Covid was a giant clusterfu@k and most of that was because those with access to worldwide and US wide communication, hate Trump with an unquenchable rage. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/29/20 at 11:19:54 Score Additional CASE Even though it was a false positive. This scenario has been repeated MULTIPLE TIMES by some of her co-workers. A PROVEN FALSE POSITIVE STILL GETS COUNTED. Where is this information? I'd like to go over it. In CO this is not acceptable, thus the dual reporting. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/29/20 at 11:24:27 "You can look at the CDC report and see thousands who died from accidental death, intentional or otherwise. Someone killed themselves or fell off a ladder when they had Covid and they’re on the list? What sense does that make? What percentage of Covid deaths were people over the average life expectancy?" Its provisional coding, from what I can gather the intention was to have more information than needed as opposed to not enough. You present an example here when you talk of the number of people who had SARS-COV-2 and were not recorded since they did not show enough symptoms to be seen. The question in that situation is if they were spreading it? I'm not sure any mathematical value can be accurate in this case, or the provisional coding at this time, but at least death certs can be audited. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/29/20 at 13:07:08 So, not KNOWING if there are sufficient bad data saying Negative to be statistically important, that justifies KNOWINGLY keeping false positives. I got My information from someone who has WATCHED IT HAPPEN. Her Positive , false as they were, COUNTED, because Her employer is Washington State. Until you show me where car wrecks and gunshots are all removed, I'm saying you're A cheerleader for insanity. Inaccurate data NEVER aided anyone. Unless they were selling bullshit. Not Facebook Not Fox Not CNN NOT once or twice SEVERAL TIMES. Deny the obvious that is your choice. Stop wasting time trying to sell me bullshit |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by WebsterMark on 12/29/20 at 13:36:58 59797B736E791C0 wrote:
Like toothpaste out of the tube (or election votes too apparently) no one’s going to listen to any provisional coding BS. The John Hopkins coronavirus tracker or CDC guides the news programs to spread the gospel that 336,000 have died of Covid. Doesn’t matter if it’s really only 150,000. Three years from now when they audit all their deaths with the kids and change the number. No one‘s gonna care and will barely get mentioned. Hundreds if not thousands of politicians across the country based decisions on facts which are true. That happens every single day and the topic of Covid is no different. They don’t care what you think, they care what Lester Holt on NBC thinks, they care what CNN says, that’s all they care about. Now uncle Joe is going to appoint a climate czar who’s going to destroy the country and economy over “facts” that aren’t true. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/29/20 at 16:07:10 "I got My information from someone who has WATCHED IT HAPPEN. Her Positive , false as they were, COUNTED, because Her employer is Washington State." Can I get this information somewhere? In CO we remove false positives once it is reported. To be specific we are counting it as a false positive. Once as a positive, once as a negative, once as a false positive. "Deny the obvious that is your choice. Stop wasting time trying to sell me bullshit" I never said documentation was completely accurate. It is provisional data and you pretend it isn't. The CDC publicly releases this format and you say they are lying because "the news" misuses the information. Who is delusional here? I post a video showing myself cleaning my carb with kerosene, go on national news with it an publicly document it. Webstermark tells you I clean my carb with Lysol. You say I am the liar because Webstermark was inaccurate in what he relayed to you about my carb cleaning? I lied to you? Specifically I am the liar in this situation? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/29/20 at 16:16:20 "Like toothpaste out of the tube (or election votes too apparently) no one’s going to listen to any provisional coding BS. The John Hopkins coronavirus tracker or CDC guides the news programs to spread the gospel that 336,000 have died of Covid. Doesn’t matter if it’s really only 150,000." My experience is that you are not the only human capable of doing that exact math. As for legislation, my experience has been limited, I have only written national policy once and the rest has been specific to CO. Not once did anyone look at anything on NBC to make a decision. "They don’t care what you think, they care what Lester Holt on NBC thinks, they care what CNN says, that’s all they care about." I've sat 24 hour shifts at the CO ICC for months due to Covid, I have mentioned that here multiple times. Not once was "the news" taken into account when I was there. CNN actually was never on a single TV anywhere in that command center. Epidemiologists, Economists, CDOT, etc. are the one's in there going over metrics and forging plans. We didn't create a dual reporting system by watching NBC, we did by assessing the CDC's new method and finding it to be below our operational standard for accurate reporting. Responses are sectioned by county, except for a few high density or low density areas so each level is managed more appropriate based off of outcomes in that county. Not by CNN, not by Holt, by that county. No amount of national news will reflect the infection rates of CO, so that news is useless to us. So yeah maybe some places are watching TV and using that to decide how to run their economy, but that's not what is happening in CO, unless they went to that strategy very recently. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by WebsterMark on 12/30/20 at 06:03:05 I think you’re naïve if you don’t consider the possibility that the enormous reach of entertainment news doesn’t influence “science” today. Did you use any WHO “data”? How about CDC? Both of those organizations resisted listing aerosol transmission as a possible Covid infection path for months until pressed by outside sources. They did this because, much like Trump and Fauci, they did not want to create a panic knowing how that news would be used. “It’s airborne” was a great line from Dustin Hoffman in that movie and they hesitated so that wasn’t re-enacted across the planet. It was only until forced did they add it to their list. If you read the supporting research to the CDC’s recommendation to increase mask usage, you’ll find buried within the research, indicating the masks styles most people use are very ineffective on aerosols. Probably between 11 and 20% range. States like California have had mask mandates and lockdowns in effect for months and months yet their case is keep escalating. Don’t you think that’s an important statistic the WHO and CDC should be out front of? Are you trying to tell me the Lester Holts and CNN’s of the world don’t have something to do with that? And set aside the whole WHO protecting China thing for a moment. WHO and CDC are political organizations. Point is, I suspect you think you are basing policy on science but I suggest that’s a partial illusion. The data you use is filtered through political filters before it gets to you and unless you’re The King of Colorado, you can’t wave a hand and your subjects follow edicts. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 12/30/20 at 06:49:08 ". . . Oh NO Mr. Bill ! . . ." Oh NO Mr. Bill ! December, after Christmas will be the worst ever ... Oh NO Mr. Bill ! January will be the worst ever ... Oh NO Mr. Bill ! Their is a new strain that is "going to KILL you" (Jeff Dunham LOL) Oh NO Mr. Bill ! The new vaccine may take 8 years to get to everybody ... Oh NO Mr. Bill ! It may take 10 years before we get heard immunity ... Cheese and Rice, what do the UL, FDS, DFI, Socialistic handlers want the sheapol to stand in line for now ! They have already STOLE the election ! |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/30/20 at 10:55:41 "I think you’re naïve if you don’t consider the possibility that the enormous reach of entertainment news doesn’t influence “science” today." I agree. I do not think the decisions are made based exclusively off Lester Holt or anything on CNN etc. As in the CO Governor watches CNN all day then comes up with mask mandates. Of course some factors of the mask mandates are political/nonsensical, but not all. "Did you use any WHO “data”? How about CDC? " Yes, this has been discussed before and I mentioned how the variables were assessed. I keep mentioning that the CDC isn't providing information that meets our operational standards. "Point is, I suspect you think you are basing policy on science but I suggest that’s a partial illusion. The data you use is filtered through political filters before it gets to you and unless you’re The King of Colorado, you can’t wave a hand and your subjects follow edicts." Except, as I keep explaining, the information primarily used comes from CO facilities. Not all, but most. How is CNN or the CDC intercepting a college testing group and then cross referencing with medical center visits and filtering that information before it reaches the CO ICC? When a medical center has staffing shortages, how does the WHO filter that information before it gets to the CO ICC? When a morgue fills to capacity, in what way did MSNBS filter that information before it reached the CO ICC? My point is decisions are made primarily off of real time feedback and actual events happening right now. When a facility fill it's morgue do we complain that the CDC gives out bad information? When a college opens and every medical center nearby has a 77% or higher increase in ICU usage within 30 days do we say CNN is full of sh!t, keep the college open? It is more useful to collect that information and model out predictors so we can see if we can stop the event from repeating. Take the 4 closest in demographic education centers, two closed, two opened and see where it goes. The open ones have increased intensive care at 70% or higher. So do we sit around and talk about what the WHO has to say, or do we use the information right in front of us? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by WebsterMark on 12/31/20 at 04:56:53 When a college opens and every medical center nearby has a 77% or higher increase in ICU usage within 30 days do we say CNN is full of sh!t, keep the college open? I’m gonna call BS on that but there’s a difference between local events and national/worldwide misinformation. Let me put it in the form of a question; what percentage of Covid information the average citizen hears or reads is accurate? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/31/20 at 06:13:30 "I’m gonna call BS on that but there’s a difference between local events and national/worldwide misinformation. I can provide you the clinical census at these locations and you are free to audit them if you think its BS that these medical centers are operating at over 77% ICU capacity. The timeframe metrics correlate to college campus openings, I can also provide those timetables if you would like to audit that information as well. This includes patient transfer information from rural medical clinics to higher tier providers and nursing home transfers. This is relevant as the majority transfer rate is highest by those who were in direct contact with college students. "Let me put it in the form of a question; what percentage of Covid information the average citizen hears or reads is accurate?" I would say at this time since most information is spread by social media the accuracy is very low, less than 20%. Anyone can pass on garbage as if it's fact and people will share it over and over. i for one could care less what the average citizen has to say if they reference Lester holt as the source of their information. I just ask them something like can they support their claim with the metrics from vehicle/phone GPS signals and they don't have much more to say. However I was addressing this: Point is, I suspect you think you are basing policy on science but I suggest that’s a partial illusion. The data you use is filtered through political filters before it gets to you and unless you’re The King of Colorado, you can’t wave a hand and your subjects follow edicts. Policy is not made by average citizens using Twitter, or MSNBC to make decisions. The data we use is provided by the institutions reporting it, not by WHO, not by CNN. So again, how is the data we use filtered "before" it gets to us? Not the average citizen, but the people who are "basing policy" as you indicated? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by WebsterMark on 12/31/20 at 07:02:16 Policy is not made by average citizens using Twitter, or MSNBC to make decisions. The data we use is provided by the institutions reporting it, not by WHO, not by CNN. So again, how is the data we use filtered "before" it gets to us? Not the average citizen, but the people who are "basing policy" as you indicated? And you think those “institutions reporting it” aren’t influenced by their politics? When I had my recent prostate surgery. I was told the delay in getting me a room was due to an influx of Covid patients. The reality was it was due to the hospital furloughing housekeeping staff when business had dropped off significantly because elective surgeries were being put off. If I had been “somebody“ and that story made the news, it would’ve been that poor little WebsterMark was forced to wait for a room because of Covid. That simply isn’t true. In fact, it’s purposely deceitful. I read yesterday Maryann of Gilligan’s Island died of Covid. Then I read elsewhere in greater detail that she didn’t die of Covid she died of other complications and tested positive for Covid but she’ll go down as another Covid death. Another brick in the wall of “facts“ that policy is driven from. Our St Louis County Executive has mandated lockdowns. When confronted with plenty of data that his especially harmful focus on restaurants is not justifiable, he ignores. The local papers, whose policies mirror any definition of liberal, love his position and endorse it fervently. You can’t tell me his position isn’t influenced by local and national media. (Ironic that he’s a physician) Across the river is St Charles County whose governance is more conservative and they’ve got less restrictions. Compare those two counties as one following CNN and the other follow Fox. Like I said, I think you’re being a little naïve if you think national media doesn’t influence data that you get. Even if you unbiased Lee make policy decisions based off of that data, you are unknowingly making decisions from data that’s tainted by someone’s politics. And I would point out that it’s been my observation that people in positions that report data have a far higher interest in a political ideology than the average person. I don’t think you can rise to certain positions without endorsing a political persuasion of one sort or another. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/31/20 at 07:39:38 The false positives are cases, reported to, not CNN, not Facebook, but for to the state. Not removed after it's proven false. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/31/20 at 09:03:04 "And you think those “institutions reporting it” aren’t influenced by their politics? When I had my recent prostate surgery. I was told the delay in getting me a room was due to an influx of Covid patients. The reality was it was due to the hospital furloughing housekeeping staff when business had dropped off significantly because elective surgeries were being put off. If I had been “somebody“ and that story made the news, it would’ve been that poor little WebsterMark was forced to wait for a room because of Covid. That simply isn’t true. In fact, it’s purposely deceitful." I can see that happening however if a facility made that report officially to the State, there would be an assessment for criminal charges for false reporting. Telling you there is " too many Covid patients" is a significantly different than reporting to an organization that is auditing their census. They would have to fabricate the patient loads, as in input patient ID's that are not physically present in the building, create charts, labs and results, movement orders to ICU and then close those rooms out with nobody in them, then get ICU staff to fabricate patient outcomes in real time. To declare deaths they would then have to fabricate death certs, make a body double to take up the physical space (must match audit weight), get the coroner to fabricate an official record (part of CO dual recording) and then get families to pretend the person is dead. Again a big difference from garbage news, which you address: "If I had been “somebody“ and that story made the news, it would’ve been that poor little WebsterMark was forced to wait for a room because of Covid. That simply isn’t true. In fact, it’s purposely deceitful." Is it the State policy makers using that "news" program to make their decisions, or the lab results double counted, from the Medical center cross referenced with the Lab provider? I can tell you from the rooms I sat in nobody looks to a news story for elective surgery cancellation data. They look at documentation for 3-S that would require many steps to fully cover-up if it were fraudulent. "Our St Louis County Executive has mandated lockdowns. When confronted with plenty of data that his especially harmful focus on restaurants is not justifiable, he ignores. The local papers, whose policies mirror any definition of liberal, love his position and endorse it fervently. You can’t tell me his position isn’t influenced by local and national media. (Ironic that he’s a physician) Across the river is St Charles County whose governance is more conservative and they’ve got less restrictions." That may be how it works where you are. Where I sit the Governor isn't reading the local paper to see what they said about him to decide if a college campus needs closed. There 7 factors taken into account for that one topic. Those factors all have two sets of collection and another two of verification by third party. In the rare case a local official makes a standalone ruling for their county that ruling is looked over. Like I said, I think you’re being a little naïve if you think national media doesn’t influence data that you get. Even if you unbiased Lee make policy decisions based off of that data, you are unknowingly making decisions from data that’s tainted by someone’s politics." I agree with that, which is why a college self-report and county numbers can't be the only factors taken into account for closure. They may have bias to under-report or over-report cases, attendance etc. So comparative demographics, GPS/Cellphone data, medical center census, CDOT, Medical transportation, Independent lab reporting, Life-care Facility census must all be used to create a decision. 7 factors of additional data to evaluate that one college report. So yeah, the politics are there but I think the viewpoint that the State Governor is watching CNN and looking at some hospital statements about elective surgeries, or restaurant closures, would be how decisions are made is rudimentary at best. At least where I am. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 12/31/20 at 09:08:10 The false positives are cases, reported to, not CNN, not Facebook, but for to the state. Not removed after it's proven false. Can you PM me some contact information? If she has this information it would be useful once verified to be accurate. We didn't change the CO count system by complaining, we did it by presenting verifiable information. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/31/20 at 18:08:11 I'll hafta ask permission,, |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/02/21 at 07:50:24 Just have to talk to institutions and ask what their reporting requirements are. Nobody wants their name attached to a push to correct it. They have a policy I'm guessing it's not secret |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/02/21 at 19:25:23 I can guarantee anonymity as I would not need to know the identity of the person claiming they have WATCHED the positive test counted and the negative test not counted by the State of WA. How exactly is a a CNA that works in a Veterans retirement home gaining access to WA State's documentation process anyway? And why would a VA funded facility have a policy that says to not report negative tests? Before anyone says "for money" that's not how funding is distributed no matter how many internet articles say it is. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/02/21 at 20:36:36 And why would a VA funded facility have a policy that says to not report negative test Never said that.. The false positives remain. Or THEY do it die I know where my money is |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/02/21 at 20:39:24 If false positives remain then what is the problem? You take 1000 positives, and subtract the 500 false positives. You have 500 positives. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/02/21 at 21:22:46 Because each positive is a case, |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/02/21 at 21:29:58 and subtract the 500 false positives. When? Using what data to identify which were the false positives? You say this stuff and apparently believe that is how it is being done I guess you missed all the dust that had to be kicked up to get the obviously bullshit CV19 deaths that were gunshot and motorcycle crashes, while you pretend that is standard operating procedure, gather data, scrub bad information later,, HA,, such a ludicrous idea. That is not how a reasonable person would conduct it. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/02/21 at 22:17:22 "When? Using what data to identify which were the false positives?" What data is she using to claim they are being counted to begin with? "The false positives are cases, reported to, not CNN, not Facebook, but for to the state. Not removed after it's proven false." She's WATCHING that happen. How? How does she know it is not removed or otherwise accounted for? If she didn't report her false positive how the hell will anyone ever in any State in any location ever record that? Is she saying there is no system for reporting a negative test, or is she not reporting it at all? According to WA CDE there are 4 states of recorded test results for SARS-COV-02 in their system, is she saying that's not true? Are they in violation of WAC 246-101.? https://app.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=246-101 "You say this stuff and apparently believe that is how it is being done" And how many DC's did you process? What is incorrect with them, how should they be adjusted? How many bodies have you loaded into trailers? I believe it is being done because I am actually doing this stuff, not sitting at home letting the internet tell me what is going on. So yeah I believe the stuff I see and do is the stuff that happens, this is why I do not believe motorcycle accidents are being documented as PCoD SARS-COV-2. "I guess you missed all the dust that had to be kicked up to get the obviously bullshit CV19 deaths that were gunshot and motorcycle crashes, while you pretend that is standard operating procedure, gather data, scrub bad information later,, HA,, such a ludicrous idea." I guess you missed when I said in CO there would be a secondary counting system because the provisional data won't meet our operational standards when we had this exact conversation the first 10 times. Now that system is in place, just as I said, for the reasons I said. It is not an ideal system, I agreed with you on that several, several times. I agree again. I agree. What I do not agree with is saying the CDC is lying because the news is lying. If Webstermark lies to you about something I did that was stupid, I am the liar? I am the liar in that situation? If you do something and post it here for everyone to see and I lie about it... you are a liar? Your friend somehow as a CNA in a retirement home is WATCHING WA State count positive tests count as a case, an more importantly not removing false positives. How? How does she know that the positive cases then reported as negative are not being addressed? Or is she saying that there is no process for reporting a false positive? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/02/21 at 23:30:59 https://notthebee.com/article/minnesota-man-thrown-from-an-automobile-listed-as-a-covid-death-and-other-shenanigans-uncovered-in-minnesota Why don't you ask someone in Washington State what happens when they have a false positive. I'm done with this |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/03/21 at 07:16:22 "Why don't you ask someone in Washington State what happens when they have a false positive. I'm done with this" I already did, 22 of them. I didn't bring this up, you did: "The false positives are cases, reported to, not CNN, not Facebook, but for to the state. Not removed after it's proven false." You know a CNA that claims they "WATCHED" that the State of Washington is not removing positive case count when false positives exist. According to WA CDE this is not true, as a matter of fact they have multiple public releases correcting count due to this. That is your argument, not mine. I am just asking how a CNA is watching the false positives not be counted. How is she confirming false positives are reported, and how is she accessing the CDE database? As usual when asked for real information people can use all the sudden there's nothing more to say. As for this: https://notthebee.com/article/minnesota-man-thrown-from-an-automobile-listed-as- a-covid-death-and-other-shenanigans-uncovered-in-minnesota How many times do I need to agree? I agree. I. Agree. I agree that this is bad, nonsense, inaccurate, wrong, misconstrued, etc. I agree, or concur, or any other way of saying "yeah man I thinks its BS too." That nonsense is why CO has a secondary counting system. Continue to ignore it but it won't stop it from being true. Also I said that there aren't multiple CD's that show Covid as PCoD, exactly like that article confirms. So they see exactly what I see. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 01/04/21 at 08:13:10 1434363E2334510 wrote:
Agreeing, does NOT STOP, the FEAR, the Media/government/ are spreading ! |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/04/21 at 10:34:01 "Agreeing, does NOT STOP, the FEAR, the Media/government/Dr. Heim/Dr. Fauci, are spreading !" I never claimed it did. But using a different topic that I agree on to prove a point about a separate issue is pointless. I am asking how a CNA is accessing the CDE in WA State and can "WATCH" that reported false positives are not being counted. JoG's answer to that is pointing out death certificate discrepancies. It's like me asking how his friend WATCHED who broke my window and he shows me a police report on carjackings in the area telling me what a poor job they do at preventing crime. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/06/21 at 08:48:10 You're clearly correct. WTF was I thinking? From the get go all we've seen is honesty in reporting. Why, I've never been more surprised, seeing the lengths they have gone to to ensure CV19 wasn't blown out of proportion or used to needlessly bankrupt people and screw the economy. Nobody would USE a problem to further their agenda while cruelly destroying lives.. Nope, never.. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/06/21 at 10:18:46 "You're clearly correct. WTF was I thinking? From the get go all we've seen is honesty in reporting. Why, I've never been more surprised, seeing the lengths they have gone to to ensure CV19 wasn't blown out of proportion or used to needlessly bankrupt people and screw the economy. Nobody would USE a problem to further their agenda while cruelly destroying lives.. Nope, never.." I already agreed with you on this. I have said long before Covid ever happened that I do not even use mainstream or entertainment news as source material. I said I average multiple verified sources to begin an assessment. You however will argue law from a photoshopped Facebook image. You brought up that you have reliable source material and when I ask for more information you bring up how sh!tty the news is. I know there is sh!t news, that is why I am asking you for information about your credible source. It's simple: I am asking how or if a CNA is accessing the CDE in WA State and can "WATCH" that reported false positives are not being counted. You are answering that by telling me how death certificates, in a different State, that you won't even look at, are wrong. Also for me to ask someone in WA. You mean like the source you brought up as leverage to your argument? Nobody I know can figure out how a CNA can get into the CDE database and watch false positives be exempt from the counting, and if so how are they deciding how many they are releasing to the public since WA does show false positives in their data. Or is she just watching TV somewhere and claiming the numbers do not match up? How is she "WATCHING" this happen? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 01/07/21 at 07:00:41 Why was the woman shot and killed ? Why/How did 4 others have, ‘medical emergencies’ ? (did someone kneel on their neck ?) Which buildings, in DC and in cities across the Nation get burnt to the ground ? Which stores got looted, and destroyed ? Where is the footage from the body-cams of the Capitol Police ? The start of hiding info, creating more FEAR, and telling lies to CYA. Just what the tt clones want ! |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/07/21 at 08:56:17 I don't think "why" someone was shot and killed is typically released in under 24 hours in situations similar to this. A declaration that can be used in court has to be stated carefully. "Where is the footage from the body-cams of the Capitol Police ?" Up until the 2020 Justice in Policing Act federal law enforcement, like Capital Police did not require the use of body cameras. There is a timeframe to implement that is longer than the active date of the Act and the date of the incident. So body cams may not be available. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Rockn on 01/07/21 at 10:19:29 4C6F527173686F66010 wrote:
An ounce of effort to research this would give you an answer, but being uniformed doesn't stop you from forming an opinion anyway. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/07/21 at 10:49:43 "An ounce of effort to research this would give you an answer, but being uniformed doesn't stop you from forming an opinion anyway." Don't you know it's supposed to be opinion first, then go find evidence that supports it. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 01/07/21 at 12:37:48 637E727A7F6579747970667A110 wrote:
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Seeing as how both of you have decided, MY OPINION, is wrong, could you tell me what, MY OPINION, is ? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/07/21 at 13:46:07 "Seeing as how both of you have decided, MY OPINION, is wrong, could you tell me what, MY OPINION, is ?" No. Can you reference where I said anything about right or wrong? I've mentioned confirmation bias here for years. I still think it happens. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 01/10/21 at 08:39:19 0F2F2D25382F4A0 wrote:
Na, ya didn't, you just jumped on, tried to make a sarcastic remark, that I entered a opinion while being un-informed ! ...but being uniformed doesn't stop you from forming an opinion anyway... ...Don't you know it's supposed to be opinion first, then go find evidence that supports it... |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 01/10/21 at 08:48:05 What if 2 people, did exactly the same thing, the same way, (both shot and killed a person) Would they be judged on: Color of Skin, Religion/lack of, Paying Taxes/Receiving Taxes, or Political affirmation? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Serowbot on 01/10/21 at 09:00:18 What if Kyle had been a black Muslim immigrant? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/10/21 at 09:05:24 He would have shot people who needed it. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/10/21 at 09:31:47 "Na, ya didn't, you just jumped on, tried to make a sarcastic remark, that I entered a opinion while being un-informed !" Yes it is a sarcastic remark but it does not require an opinion be correct or incorrect. I don't even care what they are. I think Elvis is alive. You think he is not. We both then go find internet articles and post them here as empirical evidence. The evidence follows the opinion. One opinion is correct, one is not but both are confirmation bias. We form the opinion then look for evidence. That is how things are done on this forum. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 01/10/21 at 10:54:31 5676747C6176130 wrote:
(concerning the simple question: Why was the woman shot and killed) It does NOT matter which opinion someone has, about Elvis, JFK, Foster, etc, etc, etc,. (OR the Woman who was shot and killed entering the W.H.) Or how they formed that opinion. That post was about a seriously TDS affected poster, Saying my opinion was WRONG, when I offered no opinion on that subject. And you jumped on his/her bandwagon ! You Know That. Awsum Spin. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by zevenenergie on 01/10/21 at 14:52:17 https://imgur.com/gallery/idXIoV2 |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/10/21 at 15:39:25 "That post was about a seriously TDS affected poster, Saying my opinion was WRONG, when I offered no opinion on that subject. And you jumped on his/her bandwagon ! You Know That." I comment on confirmation bias here all the time. I rarely address opinion, I didn't care if you had one. Don't you know that it's opinion first, evidence second here? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Serowbot on 01/10/21 at 16:30:37 What will you do with your TDS when Trump is gone?????? :-? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 01/10/21 at 18:00:49 6C7A6D70687D706B1F0 wrote:
Simple; FHS Freedom Hating Socialist ! Or, UL, DFI, FDS, FHS, Socialist/s ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 01/20/21 at 07:44:08 Yesterday, in Ajo Az. Grocery store. Had a few things, a Man was at the registrar area, (and a “X” on the floor at that place), I was standing at the very end of the belt, and set my basket on the belt. I was standing about a foot BEHIND the ‘X’. A Woman, came up, brushed by me, stood on the other side of him, leaned back, glared at me, (from looking at her eyes) and said: “Would You Step Back, PPPLLEASSSE” I did, another foot, without saying a word. In a min they were done, and as he and she grabbed their bags he turned to me and said: “Thank you for stepping back, just can’t be to careful” I said: “Ya know, the question still has not been answered” He Asked what. I said: “The answer to, how any sheep can one dog herd”. She shook her head, and by her eyes, SCOWLED even more. He, (by the eyes), first had a puzzled look on his face, then a look of reason, than said: “Ya know, their IS, a lot of sheep out their” Two ways to look at that statement. And one of the ways is to ask; ‘How comfortable is his couch’. LOLOLOL — — — — — — — AZ Tucson ‘news’. First, To Many vaccines in AZ and ineffective distribution. Now, (Over and Over, and Over, and Over, and Over again), Not enough vaccines. The Miracle vaccines, the cure is at hand, everyone will be safe, etc, etc, etc,. Now, They take 2-3 weeks after the second shot to work. Now, one will, ‘probably’, take THREE Shots. (With 2-3 weeks after the last shot to be affective, with a week+ between shots) Pima County, (and other places), LOCK DOWN, Absolutely NO ONE, outside or on the road from 10PM to 5AM, unless you have, “PAPERS”, to prove you are essential. Now, RISING RATES !!! Will the FEAR stop, after Ding-Dong and Ho-JoHo, are In office. Or will they be told to continue it, because their handlers said so ! |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/20/21 at 13:34:29 How much of America SUCKING in four years will be Trump's fault? Because in four years of this stolen lefty occupation, America is gonna be SUKKINASS economically and in social aspects, like natural freedom. Idiocy has taken the reins. Butthurtedness is the the compass. Have fun, lefties. I'm waiting to see what you get from the obvious theft of the election. Destroy everything Trump did, then pretend it's all his, and people like me, who are to blame. Have you even bothered to look at the fukking fruitloops be is choosing? Insanity, absolutel Insanity.. Look |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/20/21 at 16:15:24 Well since a lot of what's wrong today is still Obama's fault I see no reason to say nothing is Trump's fault 4 years from now. At least with a POTUS we can be sure nothing is our fault. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/20/21 at 18:40:08 Except for Trump driving America to the apogee Obama had America in a bind. Look at what Trump did. More war? Less war? Better economy? Huh? How will he do it? Does he have a magic wand? Show me where America is in a lesser position today than when Obama was in DC. There is a reason why the vote counts were greater than100% of registered voters. That was the only way the criminals could win. Leftist creeps stole the election. The world knows it. Every honest person knows it. Democrats voted for Trump, in droves. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/20/21 at 19:52:36 "There is a reason why the vote counts were greater than100% of registered voters." This again. You obviously don't care if those numbers were taken not just from incorrect counties, but completely different states. Different states. Selective data as usual, look at these "facts", but ignore the parts that don't support my opinion. I posted the ones for CO, did you even bother to go through them and outline where the variance is? Like real numbers using actual math? If so I'd like to see how your numbers are different from mine. There are discrepancies but not at the magnitude claimed. Or maybe you are just too trusting of the information you want to be true? Again I am saying if people can run around blaming Obama for things today I see no reason for people to not blame Trump for things in 4 years. Why wouldn't they? Trump did good things, but people who do not like Trump will selectively ignore them just like they selectively ignore bad things Obama did. Trump supporters will do the opposite and ignore bad things Trump did and complain about Obama who "never" did anything good. The truth is they both do bad and good things. The variables are too high to possibly impact every American positively, or negatively on any decision. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/20/21 at 20:44:08 Election Stolen |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/21/21 at 16:40:07 No Useable Evidence Since people can run around blaming Obama for things today I see no reason for people to not blame Trump for things in 4 years. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 01/22/21 at 07:49:42 5B7B79716C7B1E0 wrote:
Is this evidence enough? The USA (with ding-dong & Ho-ja-ho at the helm) have secured enough vaccines, to vaccinate everybodyin the US 5 times. (according to the, gma, ‘news’). Gee why isn't, ding-dong & Ho-ja-HO, NOT, doing a ‘ORDER’, To Demand, that the pharmaceutical companies, ones where Gates/Fichoi have a BIG hand in. To NOT allow Hoarding ?????????? After all he made a, ‘order’, that you MUST wear a mask on Government property ! Yea, like I will wear a mask when I am in the BLM. (OH Bot and the tt clones will) |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Serowbot on 01/22/21 at 08:59:50 It's like you speak a different language ::) |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/22/21 at 15:15:46 "Is this evidence enough?" No. It's not even close to being accurate. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/22/21 at 20:00:07 Seems like nothing is accurate until you say it |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/22/21 at 22:04:38 "Seems like nothing is accurate until you say it" I will gladly compare the documentation I present here on the forum to yours and see who is tossing more accurate information out here. We can start with the counties that have more votes than voter registrations. I provided the CO registries, and two independent audits. You really think 1,655,000,000 doses are "secured" at this time because MnSpring says so? "The USA (with ding-dong & Ho-ja-ho at the helm) have secured enough vaccines, to vaccinate everybodyin the US 5 times." |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 01/23/21 at 14:05:17 1D3D3F372A3D580 wrote:
So then G.M.A. the so widely watched, and so, "respected", news. Is Lying ?????? Or is, GMA, "not even close to being accurate", perfectly OK with you ? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/23/21 at 21:48:05 "So then G.M.A. the so widely watched, and so, "respected", news. Is Lying ?????? Or is, GMA, "not even close to being accurate", perfectly OK with you ?" I've already said many times I do not use mainstream entertainment news. I'd ask you for a reference but historically you will blame some past forum member's behavior that I had nothing to do with, as the reason you won't provide information on anything I ask about. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 01/24/21 at 12:59:04 725250584552370 wrote:
Not to disappoint you, Just do as tt often said to do: ‘... don’t be so . . . lazy and look it it up yourself …” "... I've already said many times I do not use mainstream entertainment news ..." So, because, You, don’t watch gma, ‘news’, It is perfectly logical for you to say “... because MnSpring says so”, when it was just repeating what gma said. And because you, don’t watch gma, that means what they say, does not influence the opinion of ¾’s (+/-)% of the population of the US. OK, Got It ! |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/24/21 at 15:10:15 "It is perfectly logical for you to say “... because MnSpring says so”, when it was just repeating what gma said." It is when I said it as you indicate "gma" but no reference as usual, so yeah it's you saying so. GMA said there are no vaccines available. See how that works? Because I said it, that means they said it right? Logical. And because you, don’t watch gma, that means what they say, does not influence the opinion of ¾’s (+/-)% of the population of the US. OK, Got It ! This is why you will not provide references and hide behind old forum members comments that you do not agree with to begin with. By not providing reference you can claim these things and when asked just say its out there somewhere. As far as I am concerned GMA never said what you claim because I can not find any source and you will not provide it. Just like saying I can somehow look up the information you use. How? How can I know what you do, how can I know what is in front of you? You are being intentionally difficult. |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by MnSpring on 01/25/21 at 06:21:02 69494B435E492C0 wrote:
Glad you went back and actually read that post, (or someone called you), and then you edited your post. Saw your post last night, was going to ask that you have someone read my post to you. Yet ! “... As far as I am concerned GMA never said what you claim because I can not find any source and you will not provide it …” So, you can’t see the date of the original post, then start by watching that program on that date ? You want me to do the work of coping, editing, compiling, so you can have the tiny sound bite ? (what was that tt often said) Gee, looks like gma was caught in the truth ! Because that information, ‘news’, story, has the implication of a LIE, in the 24-7 ‘news’ stories that vaccines are NOW, in short supply. And the (hoarding) report has not been repeated over and over and over etc. From what I recall, while sitting on the couch drinking coffee, it was Germany, UK, Canada and the US which had secured many more doses than the population. And the US had secured the most. So you gonna do what tt often told people what to do ? Or just complain, because you believe that I make things up ? |
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Title: Re: More Fear Post by Eegore on 01/25/21 at 09:56:56 "Glad you went back and actually read that post, (or someone called you), and then you edited your post. Saw your post last night, was going to ask that you have someone read my post to you." Yeah I had to go back an re-read it because I was sure you wouldn't have stated it that way had you not referenced it. The whole thing seemed off when I though about it after. "So, you can’t see the date of the original post, then start by watching that program on that date ?" I could if you had stated the date, or "this morning" or in any way indicated you saw it that day. Otherwise I need to have someone run the transcripts for all episodes related to vaccines. I'd go with the Biden official start date but that assumes this information comes exclusive to Biden. The GMA episode that day indicates 100 million vaccinations in 100 days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDwBBbMEvYw "From what I recall, while sitting on the couch drinking coffee, it was Germany, UK, Canada and the US which had secured many more doses than the population. And the US had secured the most." See now this is information I could not look up on my own, since I do not know what day, or what you specifically heard since I am not in a location to know where you sit and drink coffee. The report you reference by my understanding is not the "securing" of doses made, but the placement of confirmed orders. It's just, as usual, poorly reported. "So you gonna do what tt often told people what to do ? Or just complain, because you believe that I make things up ?" I don't care what TT used to say as I have never used that logic, I provide references when asked, I do not hold people to the standards of others. So no I am not going to do what some other forum member said to do, because I do not agree with it. I will just ask you for references or information about what you post, this is what I do when I am asked for that information. So I will hold to my standard, not hide behind TT's poor standards. |
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