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Re: AMD & others --- post AMD dominance in 202
Reply #240 - 10/13/21 at 11:47:40
 

We have us an historical moment in the past 3 years that is occurring right now ----- Intel has three chipsets out of their entire current crop of chipsets that can claim "competitiveness" against the currently released AMD products ...... if you hold your mouth just right, that is ...... † and compare them to a slightly non-standard match up that is giving the advantage to Intel.

Intel does have some issues that MS just rang the combined Wintel effort 15-25% back down into the hole with a very strongly flawed Win 11 initial release †but hey, when you are Intel you †have to take whatever crumbs you can get when you can get them.

This is a lot closer than Intel has been in 3 years ......

But sorry, Intel, there are no awards for close second place.

Hey Lookie Over There, Intel --- AMD has got two entirely new generations of their entire AMD line up sitting over in the wings waiting to ship out very early first quarter 2022 and then again later third quarter next year †(processors and packages in the first wave have already been produced in TSMC's new facilities no less). † They both swing HUGE 1.5 gig caches on the top of the processor stack, yep some right huge brand new TSMC tech 15% product improvement L3 caches ..... and these chip assemblies are also carrying some 25-35% throughput TSMC architectural improvements inside the processor itself all across the board.

†...... AND A BRAND NEW TSMC LITHOGRAPHY SHRINK OR TWO are scheduled for 2022, let's not forget those .......

Intel will go back in the hole rather deeply yet again as each new AMD wave is released and the products go out for benchmarking.

And TSMC has also come up with some additional AMD 6nm and 5nm in the first quarter of 2022 and some additional 4nm and 3nm production volume allocations for AMD to use in the 3rd quarter of 2022, so AMD can actually go peel off some more fresh Intel Market-share each month in 2022.

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Intel has stronger commercial agreements with their box makers, to say the box makers trust Intel to be the better option in the long term is an industry truism. † Intel can screw up royally in the short term and the box makers just keep on using their current stuff on the theory that Intel will fix it next time. † They also trust Intel to spread enough brown vapor around such that consumers will buy the stuff when the box makers deliver it.

Intel does ink some very restrictive distributor agreements that are in restraint of free trade and they are allowed to get away with it by US regulators. † EU regulators fine Intel every year or so and every year Intel stalls paying the penalties, endlessly stringing the legal process along until the judgments become moribund.

The box makers will always support Intel BECAUSE THEY REALLY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO DO SO.

Watch the budding RISC-V roll out in the EU break up a few of these rigged games, but also watch Intel and MS take legal actions to protect their duopoly in the long term.

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The new AMD L-3 cache (based on TSMC packaging tech) isn't recognized by Win 11. † Why? † Because it wasn't invented by Wintel and Wintel has no CURRENT answer to the 15% power boost it gives to AMD processors. † †

So, jest go†break Windows so the new AMD stuff doesn't work right, that seems to be the answer the Wintel boys always seem to have for innovations coming from somebody else.

Please note that older versions of Win 10 still works fine (this week anyway) and Linux's increased performance is unchanged as well.




UPDATE: † † It turns out that Microsoft had already been given the correct drivers by AMD, but MS simply hadn't rolled them out in time for the Win 11 introduction. † †oops     Embarrassed

MS has caught a whole bunch of shite over this "unintentional omission" and has corrected it as of this week's software roll out.

Intel can no longer claim any form of equivalent performance as the AMD 1.5 gig L-3 cache yields a clean 15% performance boost for AMD's current production processors.

Intel got to see the bright sunlight for a day or so on 3 processors, but now it it's getting stuffed back down underneath the big flat rock again --- poor old Intel ......


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Intel has finally broken ground on their two new fabs in their Chandler Arizona complex this past week. † Samsung and TSMC have their buildings up already and are busy installing production lines. † †ASML is building extreme EUV machines at the rate of one a week to put into all these new plants.

ASML is the working standard for all this stuff (5nm and 3nm are fully developed standards that all computers will be built to). † †Intel will be late on getting equipment as they didn't order it back in a timely fashion like Samsung and TSMC did.

This is good for the industry as a whole as Intel vs Apple vs ARM have shown us that grossly un-mixable standards really don't help things to move along together harmoniously.

If Intel is going to be a fab they need to GET ALONG with everybody and work within the current most modern standards instead of always "doing it the Intel way ......." †and going off on their own as they always did before isn't going to work any more.

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Re: AMD & others --- post AMD dominance in 202
Reply #241 - 10/19/21 at 20:23:22
 

https://liliputing.com/2021/10/lilbits-raspberry-pi-legos-alibaba-open-source...

Alibaba open sources its RISC-V chips, Mac Pro could have 40-core CPU next year and 128-core graphics too



This is a big deal as it shows both RISC-V and ARM servers picking up real muscle power to take on †the x86 boys and to simply slay them with power efficiency and superior processing power.

Alibaba Cloud (China) Unveils New Server Chips to Optimize Cloud Computing Services

Alibaba introduces Yitian 710 server chips with up to 128 Armv9 CPU cores. The company also plans to open source the code for its XuanTie RISC-V processors cores as well a Linux, Android, RTOS, and AliOS software stacks for those chips. It looks like source code and documentation for E902, C906, and C910 are already on GitHub
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And being open source on BOTH hardware and software, anybody can use it ....... † †

Intel and AMD both took a lick on this one. † Open Source RISC-V processors are quickly becoming more competitive to ARM mobile chipsets and both are edging closer to being competitive to Intel/AMD.

Alibaba and Google and Amazon Web Services are showing up now as major customers/competitors for mainframe processor designs.

I will communicate the closing race between the processor types as they each develop down their relative pathways.

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Re: AMD & others --- post AMD dominance in 202
Reply #242 - 10/22/21 at 17:55:06
 

https://liliputing.com/2021/10/sifive-says-its-next-risc-v-processor-outperfo...

When RISC-V chip designer SiFive introduced its Performance P550 processor in June, the company said it was the highest-performance processor based on RISC-V architecture to date.

Now the company is previewing a new processor that SiFive says is 50% faster than their previous efforts, allowing the new chip to theoretically outperform an ARM Cortex-A78 processor.



SiFiveís announcement is a bit light on details at the moment, the company hasnít even given the new chip a name yet. But the company says more details will be revealed at the RISC-V Summit in December.

So far we know that SiFiveís next chip:

* Supports up to 16 CPU cores
* Runs at frequencies up to 3.5 GHz
* Features 16MB of L3 cache, up to 2MB L2, and
* SiFive says the new chips are 64-bit processors with quad-issue out of order processing, which can be scaled to support a wide range of devices including PCs, servers, or mobile and embedded devices.

SiFive says the new chips are 64-bit processors with quad-issue out of order processing, which can be scaled to support a wide range of devices including PCs, servers, or mobile and embedded devices.

High-performance versions would likely combine a cluster of chips together, offering up to 128 CPU cores.

This chip and some other planned new ones was why Intel was so hot to buy up SiFive a few months back. † SiFive has backed away from the deal totally now and no longer plans to use Intel as their exclusive one and only foundry as Intel's attitude and recent actions had left a bad taste in their mouth.

Intel has a whole lot to learn about being a fab and about remaining "properly neutral" about it ........



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Intel has posted their stock holder guidance for the next quarter and Intel IMMEDIATELY lost 10% of their stock value in ONE SINGLE DAY as Wall Street downgraded Intel according to their own guidance information.

Why? † Reading between the lines on the attached fiscal information it was clear that Intel didn't have the ready funds needed to execute all the various things they had already committed to do early this upcoming year.

It also became clear why Intel chose to drop their SiFive buyout bid and their Global Foundry purchase bid so abruptly. † All of Intel's pin money has to go towards the equipment to put in the two new fabs in Arizona.

Sad

Intel isn't broke yet by any means, but Intel lacks the sufficient very very large positive cash flow they used to have had in years past.

Intel is also getting downgraded by the futures traders because relative to their current COMPETITORS †(and they have a lot more competitors than just AMD) †the performance of what Intel builds now at 14nm is beginning to smell more like sardines left out on an aluminum boat seat in the hot sunshine. †

Yep, it stinks like very very dead bait fish ........

Intel has no winners out there at the moment. † †Intel has no credible plan to have a up and coming winner in the short term either.

Intel has no plans for any long term planned winners laid out in any credible fashion going out for next year or so (apart for getting TSMC to build some selected 3nm stuff for them, actually). † †

TSMC building some stuff for Intel at TSMC 3nm is Intel's next best window to achieve anything close to a "winner" product.

Intel will have to continue to lower their 14nm general processor prices even more to be able to move their "non-preferred" 14nm product line going out into the foreseeable future.

So, Intel is facing a short term "crisis of confidence" both on Wall Street and in the actual market place. † This will all get worse over time until Intel starts building something at a modern competitive lithography level and comes up with some winning new designs.

Undecided

(poor Intel, so sad)



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Re: AMD & others --- post AMD dominance in 202
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Intel has begun their next brown vapor campaign, this one is based on using their Big bigger and smaller cores set ups. † Yep, up to 12 cores per unit being tested is what you are seeing the results for.

Intel has a software that puts the loads on the currently coolest processor core, switching them out as they heat up. † This is a neat trick, and when it finally works right it should help out with better real world results .......

Please realize any intentionally leaked results you see now a days from Intel are based on the best core being measured for the single core results and then being run out to the core count of the entire chipset to make up the many proposed many core results. † This is not how it actually works in the real world ........ Intel is lying and cheating again.

First, only one core out of the entire set actually does work that good, not 4, not 6, not 8 and certainly not 12. † The little cores are not able to do the work of the middle sized cores much less the amount of work that can be done by the big cores.

Forget about doing this in a mobile product. † 300 watt combined power draws running the cores all at once is NOT A REALISTIC SCENARIO on any mobile product.

For Intel and AMD products, look to your cooling methods, as all of these new chipsets are cooling thermal limited bound at the top end of the performance range, even if they could theoretically churn out these huge outputs with no regard to their internal thermal limits.

I would say we are getting into the realm where inside the chip liquid cooling is going to be needed by both Intel and AMD, so look for results which are made using real processors in real laptops using a fully identified stock cooling system (whatever it is).

Next, place no confidence in the results of any small custom test houses. † One reviewer called them "hired liars" and he wasn't far wrong in that estimation.

Lastly, you don't really need the gee whiz best thing out there ---- Linux actually runs faster on lesser processor sets, as does older versions of Windows.
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