WebsterMark wrote on 05/20/19 at 04:58:13:


LOL - "war on babies" now?

You conservatives are hilarious.  There is no war on babies - there's no war on anything.

You cons use that phrase to legitimize your fear mongering.  You make it sound like the lefties are going to kill all babies...lmao!!

The fact is - this whole debate is not about abortions - it's about a woman's right to choose what to do with her body.

Get over it.  It's not going to change.

T And T Garage wrote on 05/20/19 at 05:58:49:

Yep, he's dehumanizing the enemy to make what's deplorable acceptable.

verslagen1 wrote on 05/20/19 at 08:35:04:


You label me as such to make yourself feel better.  Sad.

The fact is vers - most women agree with me - not you.

verslagen1 wrote on 05/20/19 at 09:24:22:



Sorry, should have said You accuse me as such to make yourself feel better.  Sad.

Better?

WebsterMark wrote on 05/20/19 at 09:56:41:

WebsterMark wrote on 05/20/19 at 10:31:09:



Again, it's not all about the abortion, it's about the women's right to choose.  But I'll indulge you...

So let's set this up properly.  I state that a woman's right to choose should not be taken away.  I also state that if enough of the pregnancy has passed and the fetus is viable outside the body (let's say 23 weeks), then there should be restrictions and considerations made at that time about allowing an abortion.  

Restrictions such as as termination of the fetus and consideration to the life of the mother (I'm only calling her "mother" because we are talking about a fetus that may be viable outside the body).  If the mother's life is in danger due to the fetus, then she should still have the choice on whether or not to abort.  If the mother simply wants to terminate the fetus for no other reason than birth control - she should not be allowed.  However, if the time ever comes where medical science can reliably sustain a fetus outside the body prior to say, 20 weeks, then those considerations shift slightly.  

If you want to try and look into the future, then at some point, abortion will no longer be a thing.  Artificial uteruses already exist.  But we've got a hell of a long way to go before that.

"I've always wondered this, but what condition jeopardizes the mother's health that can only be remedied by killing the baby?"

 Theres many reasons women die from childbirth.  Also mortality rates have increased, and many of the reasons are unknown.  

 According to 9 MMRC's the primary factors known prior to birth are preeclampsia, cardiomyopathy, blood disease, potential for hemorrhage, and coronary disease.  

"Overall, there were seven leading underlying causes of pregnancy-related death, accounting for 72.1% of all pregnancy-related deaths (Figure 4). In addition, there were at least 5 pregnancy-related deaths due to each of the following: amniotic fluid embolism (4.2%), homicide (3.3%), cerebrovascular accidents (2.8%), unintentional injury (2.8%), anesthesia complications (2.3%), and autoimmune diseases (2.3%). "


In the above section autoimmune diseases are typically known prior to childbirth and risk factors, when combined with consistent assessment, can be reliably calculated.  Autoimmune factors should also be considered as a childbirth related mortality factor.

 This covers circumstances only prior to birth and result in mortality during delivery, it doesn't include situations where both the mother and child will die.  Also a number of others pregnancy related issues can kill the mother months after birth.

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregnancy-mortali...