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Reply #105 - 05/20/19 at 14:33:25

T And T Garage wrote on 05/20/19 at 11:59:15:

to be clear - we're not talking about a baby - we're talking about a fetus.

Please expound on when a 'thing' becomes a baby ?

Is it when the head crowns, head out, 1 shoulder, or both, to the waist, one leg, or both ?
If the umbilical cord is attached to the Placenta, and that is inside the Woman, is it a, 'IT' or a 'Baby' ?
Does the Umbilical cord have to be cut ?

At what point is, 'it', considered, 'born', and can no longer be Killed, willy nilly for convenience sake ?

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Reply #107 - 05/20/19 at 14:41:16

MnSpring wrote on 05/20/19 at 14:33:25:

T And T Garage wrote on 05/20/19 at 11:59:15:

to be clear - we're not talking about a baby - we're talking about a fetus.

Please expound on when a 'thing' becomes a baby ?

Sigh.... I though we covered that.....

A fetus is the term I use for the organism that cannot sustain itself outside the host's body.

It is somewhere around the beginning of the third trimester - 23 to 26 weeks that a fetus becomes viable outside the body.

After that point, there should be restrictions and considerations made of abortions.

So to recap - a fetus becomes human when it can sustain itself outside the womb.

Is it when the head crowns, head out, 1 shoulder, or both, to the waist, one leg, or both ?
If the umbilical cord is attached to the Placenta, and that is inside the Woman, is it a, 'IT' or a 'Baby' ?
Does the Umbilical cord have to be cut ?

At what point is, 'it', considered, 'born', and can no longer be Killed, willy nilly for convenience sake ?

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Reply #108 - 05/20/19 at 14:43:39

WebsterMark wrote on 05/20/19 at 14:36:42:

And religion would be upended.... how about that? The moral compass of everyone religious would be flawed....

I don't know anyone who would be upended. Why would they?

If there was humanoid life discovered on other planets, you honestly don't think that our earthly religions wouldn't suffer a collapse??

You can't be that naive.

Ray; if life was found on Mars (and presumably TT didn't abort it because it would be inconvenient to him) would that throw your moral compass into a tizzy?

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Reply #109 - 05/20/19 at 14:58:58

T And T Garage wrote on 05/20/19 at 13:50:24:

A fetus is the term I use for the organism that cannot sustain itself outside the host's body.

Another question, you said:
sustain itself outside the host's body.
So does that mean, that once born, (From a female Human) and born, (as your description of, 'born', from a previous post)

Does that mean that, 'baby' can, "sustain Itself', by gathering food, keeping warm, etc. etc, etc,
Or does that, baby' need someone to do those things for him/her for a while ?

So you are constantly saying.
sustain itself outside the host's body.
That, 'thing', or 'it', only becomes a 'baby' when it can, sustain itself outside the host's body.
After it is How Old ? (According to the Gospel as said by tt)

So it can be, Killed Willy Nilly, until it's how old ?
(According to YOUR, sustain itself outside the host's body.)

Gospel according to tt:
a fetus becomes human when it can sustain itself outside the womb.

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Reply #110 - 05/20/19 at 15:02:36

T And T Garage wrote on 05/20/19 at 14:43:39:

WebsterMark wrote on 05/20/19 at 14:36:42:

And religion would be upended.... how about that? The moral compass of everyone religious would be flawed....

I don't know anyone who would be upended. Why would they?

If there was humanoid life discovered on other planets, you honestly don't think that our earthly religions wouldn't suffer a collapse??

You can't be that naive.

Ray; if life was found on Mars (and presumably TT didn't abort it because it would be inconvenient to him) would that throw your moral compass into a tizzy?

Genesis, god created heaven and the earth. What tizzy do you think it would cause?

Oh wow... that includes mars. (mind explodes)

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28760 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Fur or babies? Reply #111 - 05/20/19 at 15:04:54 MnSpring wrote on 05/20/19 at 14:58:58: Gospel according to tt: a fetus becomes human when it can sustain itself outside the womb. I never seen a toddler that can farm or milk a cow.
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Reply #113 - 05/20/19 at 15:35:29

MnSpring wrote on 05/20/19 at 14:58:58:

T And T Garage wrote on 05/20/19 at 13:50:24:

A fetus is the term I use for the organism that cannot sustain itself outside the host's body.

Another question, you said:
sustain itself outside the host's body.
So does that mean, that once born, (From a female Human) and born, (as your description of, 'born', from a previous post)

It means what it says - viable outside the womb.

Does that mean that, 'baby' can, "sustain Itself', by gathering food, keeping warm, etc. etc, etc,
Or does that, baby' need someone to do those things for him/her for a while ?

No. That means that a fetus, that is no longer dependant on the host's body for maturation. Meaning - all its organs are formed completely.

So you are constantly saying.
sustain itself outside the host's body.
That, 'thing', or 'it', only becomes a 'baby' when it can, sustain itself outside the host's body.
After it is How Old ? (According to the Gospel as said by tt)

Around 22 weeks or so after fertilization.

So it can be, Killed Willy Nilly, until it's how old ?
(According to YOUR, sustain itself outside the host's body.)

Well, you can't kill something that is not alive - but up to about 18 to 20 weeks you can still abort the fetus if necessary.

Gospel according to tt:
a fetus becomes human when it can sustain itself outside the womb.

Yeah, I said that - we get it... why do you keep repeating it?

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Reply #114 - 05/20/19 at 15:37:45

verslagen1 wrote on 05/20/19 at 15:02:36:

T And T Garage wrote on 05/20/19 at 14:43:39:

WebsterMark wrote on 05/20/19 at 14:36:42:

And religion would be upended.... how about that? The moral compass of everyone religious would be flawed....

I don't know anyone who would be upended. Why would they?

If there was humanoid life discovered on other planets, you honestly don't think that our earthly religions wouldn't suffer a collapse??

You can't be that naive.

Ray; if life was found on Mars (and presumably TT didn't abort it because it would be inconvenient to him) would that throw your moral compass into a tizzy?

Genesis, god created heaven and the earth. What tizzy do you think it would cause?

Oh wow... that includes mars. (mind explodes)

Oh. I guess I must have missed the part about Mars in the Bible and how the "Garden Of Eden" existed there too.. and all other non-Earth worlds....

You want to sit there and tell me that religion wouldn't be upended if there were humanoid life found elsewhere?

Are you really that naive too?

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Reply #115 - 05/20/19 at 15:39:26

verslagen1 wrote on 05/20/19 at 15:04:54:

MnSpring wrote on 05/20/19 at 14:58:58:

Gospel according to tt:
a fetus becomes human when it can sustain itself outside the womb.

I never seen a toddler that can farm or milk a cow. Grin

Yeah, because that's exactly what I meant. <<<<sarcasm

If sustainability meant self reliance, I know there's a few people on this forum that would be questionable.
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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: Fur or babies? Reply #116 - 05/20/19 at 15:41:18 WebsterMark wrote on 05/20/19 at 15:21:17: I don't know a single Christian person who would be overly upset. Do you? Upset? Maybe, maybe not. But the whole concept of religion - as it formed here - would be upended. The Bible doesn't mention life existing anywhere but here. The Heavens are separate from the Earth.
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Reply #117 - 05/20/19 at 15:45:40

WebsterMark wrote on 05/20/19 at 15:21:17:

I don't know a single Christian person who would be overly upset. Do you?

As in: "Imagine it were to uncover the product of a male sperm and female egg, moments after conception. Imagine the machine had the capabilities to analyze it"

Don't believe they would be upset at all !
In fact, the people that believe in a Deity, would say:
"Told You So"

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Reply #118 - 05/20/19 at 15:49:17

MnSpring wrote on 05/20/19 at 15:45:40:

WebsterMark wrote on 05/20/19 at 15:21:17:

I don't know a single Christian person who would be overly upset. Do you?

As in: "Imagine it were to uncover the product of a male sperm and female egg, moments after conception. Imagine the machine had the capabilities to analyze it"

Don't believe they would be upset at all !
In fact, the people that believe in a Deity, would say:
"Told You So"

Huh?

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 8997 Minn Gender:	Re: Fur or babies? Reply #119 - 05/20/19 at 15:50:56 T And T Garage wrote on 05/20/19 at 15:39:26: If sustainability meant self reliance So great that paddles are made, that work both ways ! people on this forum that would be questionable Again tt, you believe everything is about YOU !
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