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Reply #60 - 05/17/19 at 13:47:02

Eegore wrote on 05/17/19 at 11:55:24:

unborn human
unborn baby

Please explain why, prosecution can file charges.
Because, that is a 'Unborn', 'thing' in the belly of a human female,
It is NOT, a, 'Baby', 'Human', 'Person'.
So their can, NOT, be any crime, consent or not.
Simply because it is a, 'thing', just like a pencil rolling about on the floor.

It's a, 'thing', until it is out of the body of the human female.
And until that happens, the human female can have a abortion.

Yet (for the most part) the same people are saying.
It's a, 'unborn human Baby', if it is a car accident, or drug addiction, or some other thing that can/has, harmed that, 'Baby'.
Then, their is a penalty !

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Reply #61 - 05/17/19 at 14:02:49

"So their can, NOT, be any crime, consent or not.
Simply because it is a, 'thing', just like a pencil rolling about on the floor."

Incorrect. One can commit a crime and damage a "thing", like I can damage a motorcycle that is not mine and be charged with destruction of property.

"It's a, 'thing', until it is out of the body of the human female.
And until that happens, the human female can have a abortion."

Again - it is Legal to have an abortion.

It is Illegal to harm a human female.

It is illegal to harm a human female with a "thing" in her womb depending on law where the prosecution takes place.

The problem here is you want to argue semantics and not use law. Did you bother to read 609.205 and 609.266? I did the last time we had this discussion.

Did you bother to look up "Public Law 108-212"? I did.

How hard is it to look up "In Utero" and see how its very specifically defined as to how it is used in law?

38 States have their own version of this. Some have none.

If the mother consents, and uses a credentialed provider it is legal. Any other method is not.

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Reply #62 - 05/17/19 at 16:51:02

Eegore wrote on 05/17/19 at 11:50:11:

"That 70% pro-choice figure drops off a cliff when you show women pictures of babies ripped apart............ "

Actually a study conducted in-part by the Vatican showed this action to have very little impact.

Its like saying showing people pictures of grotesque STD lesions on genitals will reduce sexual activity. There is no evidence of this ever being the case as human sexuality encases more factors than aversion to human disfigurement.

No, show all women, not those about to have an abortion, what really happens in an abortion and then have them vote. The mandated ultrasound
laws do show a reduction. Not huge amouts, but a reduction none the less.
That's why the pro-choice crowd is against ultrasound or pictures. They know it won't change many minds who are about to have an abortion but it will sure galvanized those on the fence when they witness a baby killed.

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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Fur or babies? Reply #63 - 05/17/19 at 18:10:36 pg wrote on 05/16/19 at 14:33:02: http://100abortionphotos.com/ Best regards, Did anyone take a look at those photos? Best regards,
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Re: Fur or babies?
Reply #64 - 05/17/19 at 18:24:46

pg wrote on 05/17/19 at 18:10:36:

Did anyone take a look at those photos?

Maybe the first 5, then clicked off.

I believe it is tt, that needs to have eyes held open,
then watch those over and over, and over.
Wait, that would nave NO effect.
I know.
Get a bunch of photos of women in fur coats !
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/fur-coat?sort=mostpopular&mediatype=photog...

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Reply #65 - 05/17/19 at 22:17:50

"No, show all women, not those about to have an abortion, what really happens in an abortion and then have them vote. The mandated ultrasound
laws do show a reduction. Not huge amouts, but a reduction none the less."

Ultrasound and heartbeat regulation capitalize on the exact opposite concept that human disfiguration does. That's why it works better. I'm not going delve into the details of human developmental psychology and group acceptance pattern methodologies, but showing a living human historically creates more desired results than showing a dead or disfigured one.

Showing mutilated humans does less to stop violence than humanizing the enemy.

Teaching adolescents about partner care lowers STD's more than images of infected lesions on genitals.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Fur or babies? Reply #66 - 05/18/19 at 01:01:55 It's not about making it illegal. It's a tenth amendment thing. You ACTUALLY think Trump has something to do with it? Naaah.. It's the Russians.
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Reply #67 - 05/18/19 at 06:46:21

Just to circle back to the original thought I had behind this thread, if you are in favor of a law that forbids fur, prosecutes the wearer, the manufacturer and the seller, but refuse laws that forbid late term abortions, abortions for Downs or parental consent laws AND you’ve taken that position for political gains (which you all have) then you’re a living, breathing piece of human excrement.

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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8016	Re: Fur or babies? Reply #68 - 05/18/19 at 09:33:47 What political gains do I have by preferring an abortion take place, legally, in a clinic environment over a basement, alley or other higher-risk environment?
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12854 Gender:	Re: Fur or babies? Reply #69 - 05/19/19 at 04:47:43 Your not stupid Eegore so stop playing like you are.
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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8016	Re: Fur or babies? Reply #70 - 05/19/19 at 08:27:21 "Your not stupid Eegore so stop playing like you are." I do not know the political advantages I would have by legalizing abortion.
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Re: Fur or babies?
Reply #71 - 05/19/19 at 09:13:25

WebsterMark wrote on 05/18/19 at 06:46:21:

Just to circle back to the original thought I had behind this thread, if you are in favor of a law that forbids fur, prosecutes the wearer, the manufacturer and the seller, but refuse laws that forbid late term abortions, abortions for Downs or parental consent laws AND you’ve taken that position for political gains (which you all have) then you’re a living, breathing piece of human excrement.

So,.. should women be prosecuted for getting an abortion?...
Should they be charged with murder?...
Prison?... .. or would you have a fine?, like a parking ticket?...
Have you considered the practical consequences?...

We already have 5 times more people in prison than most civilized countries,... do you want to pay to imprison more?...
100's of thousands more?...
... or do you want to punish only the providers?
Kinda' like jailing the gun makers instead of the shooters...

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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12854 Gender:	Re: Fur or babies? Reply #72 - 05/19/19 at 19:46:24 Wow, you really hate babies don't you?
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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8016	Re: Fur or babies? Reply #73 - 05/19/19 at 23:14:04 I think asking how or if prosecuting women for attempting abortion is a valid question. I don't think it will ever happen since it's much easier to go after the provider.
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12854 Gender:	Re: Fur or babies? Reply #74 - 05/20/19 at 04:58:13 Eegore wrote on 05/19/19 at 23:14:04: I think asking how or if prosecuting women for attempting abortion is a valid question. I don't think it will ever happen since it's much easier to go after the provider. It's because he hates babies. He and other leftist are waging a war on babies.
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