Serowbot wrote on 05/21/19 at 09:57:35:

Is that WM's definition,
or Others, definition,
or the definition of 100's of organizations ?

WHY, If a Mother, died before or during birth.
The, ’thing’, is called a (no matter what gender)
stillborn baby, or miscarried baby.
Even though it was not, ‘Born’ ?

Why, do MANY people say and believe, the pre born, 'thing' is a, Baby.

"...the blastocyte cells ultimately form a little ball, or an embryo, and the baby's first nerve cells have already formed. Your developing baby is called an embryo from the moment of conception to the eighth week of pregnancy. After the eighth week and until the moment of birth, your developing baby is called a fetus.By the end of the first month, your baby is about 1/4 inch long – smaller than a grain of rice!
Month 2 Your baby’s facial features continue to develop. The head is large in proportion to the rest of the baby’s body. By the end of the second month, your baby is about 1 inch long and weighs about 1/30 of an ounce.  At about 6 weeks, your baby’s heart beat can usually be detected.  After the 8th week, your baby is called a fetus instead of an embryo.
Month 3 Your baby’s arms, hands, fingers, feet, and toes are fully formed. Your baby can open and close its fists and mouth. Fingernails and toenails are beginning to develop and the external ears are formed. The beginnings of teeth are forming. Your baby's reproductive organs also develop, but the baby's gender is difficult to distinguish on ultrasound. By the end of the third month, your baby is fully formed. All the organs and extremities are present and will continue to mature in order to become functional. The circulatory and urinary systems are working and the liver produces bile. At the end of the third month, your baby is about 4 inches long and weighs about 1 ounce...."
(and on and on and on)

It is apparent that tt values a, FUR, over what will become a live human being.

I Wonder if tt is afraid that it will grow up to be smart, and a Conservative ?

"WHY, If a Mother, died before or during birth.
The, ’thing’, is called a (no matter what gender)
stillborn baby, or miscarried baby.
Even though it was not, ‘Born’ ?"

 In a forensic medical environment it would have been called a fetus. This applies from week 7 until birth.

"Why, do MANY people say and believe, the pre born, 'thing' is a, Baby."

 I think you would have to ask MANY people that and get some answers.  Just my opinion, I prefer horses mouth statements over speculation.

 Most organizations like the Clevelandclinic link you posted will use the term "Baby" for most of the information.  Mayo clinic interchangeably uses "Baby" and "Fetus".

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/pregnancy-week-by-week/in-depth/...

 There's a fair amount of psychology involved with the use of the terms fetus and baby but arguing over it does nothing since the term doesn't mean enough to alter one's views on maternal choice factors.  
 

WebsterMark wrote on 05/21/19 at 12:29:10:



Not human, something else.  It's not of this Earth - ergo, extraterrestrial.

To clear something up for you -  a fetus can only start feeling and reacting to stimulus after about 20 weeks.

Further, sperm has only one function - to fertilize an egg.  It exists only for "a predetermined end". Careful how you word things.... pretty soon, the right-to-lifers will be checking your laundry for crusty socks!  

WebsterMark wrote on 05/21/19 at 12:29:10:

So what would you call that? Human or something else?

I think tt would call it a, 'Mink' !



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"Now carefully ponder that for a few moments and tell me why in one case she feels one way and in the other case, she feels another. "

 Human psychology.  This is a know and reproducible effect in most (96.4403%) humans.

 The real question is if she "feels" or "defines" one from another.

 Again, none of this changes another's opinion on maternal choice factors.  Definitions apply to law and science, both of which are ignored in a semantics phrase war.

"The point is Mr Spock, her personal and fluctuating value defines what is human and what is not. What is a baby and what is not."

 Only for her.  Not for every human and every similar situation, which is why law and science doesn't use anecdotal evidence.

"Is someone with a severe form of Alzheimer's such a burden to a single provider that they should have the choice to terminate what is essentially a 90 year old vegetable, unable to do anything on their own?"

 That's why there is a huge debate on "Right to Choose...Death" laws, or Dignity Law.  Again as I posted before, there are Ethics Committees designed for this type of thing.

 There is no debate on whether the insurance provider can do it, but there is a debate on if the Patient can terminate their own life.

 This is another choice debate, not a definition of human vs vegatable debate.  Same as abortion being a choice of the mother debate and not a definition of fetus vs. baby debate.

 Keep arguing on what you call it, while results come from the outcome of choice.

WebsterMark wrote on 05/21/19 at 12:49:16:


Me personally?  I don't know.  Maybe I would call it a "sign of life".  No different than if bacteria were discovered there.

That doesn't change the law here and what a fetus here is.

Your "thought experiment" is not what it appears to be.  You're trying to manipulate a definition.

Here on Earth, there is debate about when life begins.  Life - as in human life - is not the same as bacterial or microscopic life.