I know exactly what it's like to be on the receiving end of it.
I never shot the people who tormented me.

Maybe it's time for some of these teachers to start seeing these children who are not fitting in and spending time with them.

W.M.  brought up: ‘pecking order’.

The, ‘pecking order’, is everywhere. Kindergarten/playground, on up to Nursing Homes. It something humans learn to deal with, and where they are in that ‘order’.

It is when a group decides to ‘Fix’ a problem, which is Not a problem, the problems start occurring.

The person that is Bullied has a personality trait, which ‘invites’, bulling.  And it is regardless, of any other traits that person has.
Observed Reality, 51 years ago, a boy’s boarding school.  Out of 350 kids in the freshman class, two were, Queer.  (What a male who likes sex with another male was called then).  How the 14 +/-  year old's knew 348 were straight, and 2 were queer, Don’t know, just did.  Anyway, one of them was a limp noodle, (that person was Bullied). The other was a person, who stood up for himself, and had, at first, a few fistfights. (Like about 60+% of the rest, to establish a, ‘pecking order’) That queer, was still a queer, and called so, but it never bothered him, or anyone else.

Today a ‘pecking order’ is avoided at all costs.  Yes, all men are created equal, shall be treated as such, and shall have the same rights, yet they are not all the same.   Just as some are tall, some are short, some are fat/skinny, red/brown/black/blond hair, etc.  People have different personalities and traits.

Yet when, everyone gets a Participation Trophy,  they are not learning how to mesh into society.  So those, ‘young’, who have learned to say: ‘gimme’, and they get what they want right now, and the ‘old’, who have learned, ‘work hard’, are Not meshing with each other.

Now is one correct ?  Looking back at history for 225 years, the ‘working hard’ had less problems, than the last 25 where the, ‘gimme’, is now the norm, because a group, ‘fixed’ what was, not, broke.  

So, which path to move forward on ?

MnSpring wrote on 05/22/18 at 08:07:56:



There's a lot of truth in that, a lot. Boys are being pushed into being anything but what boys are. Is it possible that by trying to 'civilize' boys, we are taking away necessary ingredients & experiences that are vital to making men?

Why didn't we see the level of shootings in the 1950's? Boys were boys back then. Guns were as common if not more so back then. Why? Why is this a relatively recent phenomenon? Is it movies with more graphic violence? Video games? Prescription drugs? Less defined gender roles? All of these?

I don't know what to suggest, but I do know more gun laws are not the answer and neither is tossing aside one of the original Amendments. And again, a lot of the public figures involved are far more interested in scoring political points than saving lives. Again, if saving lives were the goal, we'd instantly ban cell phones and save 10 times as many lives.

Limited access entrances in high schools seems to be one easy step. We did it on every airplane. Can't do that as much on colleges.

My guns are secured. It would take an adult 15 minutes with an axe and grinder to get mine. How about months long PSAs about gun safes? Forget trigger locks, push safes and cabinets.

I like setting goals for qualified and armed teachers and administrators.

I also think something like the Boy Scouts. Of course the Feds would get involved and screw it up but somehow boys need to grow into men. I realize that suggestion is ambiguous and hard to define.

WebsterMark wrote on 05/22/18 at 10:01:08:


Why is it that all options are on the table, but one?...
And that one is the single one that can be pointed to in America's huge global lead in school shootings.
American children are 80 times more likely to be murdered in school than children of other western nations...

At the least,... restricting gun purchase to over 21,... and making parents criminally responsible for their children’s access to their weapons.
At the very least.

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/22/18 at 10:31:13:

Why do you participate here?...
Just to hear your own voice?...

Serowbot wrote on 05/22/18 at 10:35:09:



I think Jog's point is we've been "addressing" school shootings since Columbine and seemingly nothing's changed so why would we continue to do what we've been doing which is more laws?