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LostArtist Ex Member	Re: Wild wild west... Reply #60 - 05/22/18 at 17:49:01 you know, before the 60's, 70's maybe, didn't we have nationally run mental health institutions, yes, yes, I know, they were awful, but it's one more thing that we don't have today....
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Reply #61 - 05/22/18 at 18:11:48

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/22/18 at 17:45:58:

LostArtist wrote on 05/22/18 at 12:12:52:

Serowbot wrote on 05/22/18 at 10:35:09:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/22/18 at 10:31:13:

Why should I listen to the people who have been Wrong at every step?

Why do you participate here?...
Just to hear your own voice?...

there's a difference between participating and lecturing...
some people know it all and don't want to admit that although different, other ideas actually have any validity to them

Show me where I have been factually incorrect.
You Continue to believe things that have been adequately demonstrated to be

Wrong.

Explain how banning a type of gun will impact anything.

Did you actually believe those signs would have any impact on the behavior of people who are planning to
MURDER INNOCENT PEOPLE?

Really?

so, why are you assuming I believe any of that....

I've not called for a banning of ANY gun, just education
but I'm not ignoring that it's way easier to kill a bunch of people with an AR15 than with a revolver

I just stated above that "gun free zones" (actually aren't gun free, and those that went there to do violence KNEW it) so yeah, those signs do little to protect people, but can you prove that those signs are "calling cards" for violence?

I think almost all the attacks except maybe Vegas, have a personal relationship with the shooter, or shooter's deranged mind.

and I've proven you wrong on the Uranium 1 deal, several times, you wont' admit it, but you are WRONG on that.

I made you rethink your ideas on Net Neutrality.....

idk, what else??

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Wild wild west... Reply #62 - 05/22/18 at 18:29:01 Nobody knows how the net neutrality is gonna work out. I supported Obama for it. I rethought it. I'm with ending it And I'm vulnerable to negative consequences because I'm out in the boonies.
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Reply #63 - 05/22/18 at 18:42:20

LostArtist wrote on 05/22/18 at 17:49:01:

you know, before the 60's, 70's maybe, didn't we have nationally run mental health institutions, yes, yes, I know, they were awful, but it's one more thing that we don't have today....

Deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill in this country started shortly after WWII I think and accelerated in the next few decades until we wound up with what we've got today. But that situation deals with legitimely mentally ill folks. People with an actual MEDICAL diagnoses.
How they were cared for then vs. now and how that might contribute to the problems we're talking about in this thread is a legitimate debate, but it isn't exactly what I was alluding to in my previous post.

Having people who do not conform to the prevailing social or political ideology declared mentally ill, by the very caretakers of that prevailing ideology is what I was referring to. That isn't happening here now I don't think, and maybe it never will. But it has happened, and is happening now, in enough other places that it bears being on guard against.

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Reply #64 - 05/22/18 at 18:45:17

Having people who do not conform to the prevailing social or political ideology declared mentally ill, by the very caretakers of that prevailing ideology is what I was referring to. That isn't happening here now I don't think, and maybe it never will. But it has happened, and is happening now, in enough other places that it bears being on guard against.

Very succinctly stated.
And correct

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 8994 Minn Gender:	Re: Wild wild west... Reply #65 - 05/23/18 at 14:23:36 LostArtist wrote on 05/22/18 at 18:11:48: "... can you prove that those signs are "calling cards" for violence? ..." Nop, I can’t. Perhaps someone else can. Yet, the, ‘Ban All Guns’, people. have NEVER, EVER, put a sign in their front yard, Saying, *“No Guns In Here”.* Why Not ?
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Wild wild west... Reply #66 - 05/23/18 at 14:36:54 Yet, the, ‘Ban All Guns’, people. have NEVER, EVER, put a sign in their front yard, Saying, “No Guns In Here”. Is that an inaccurate statement? I don't think so.
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Reply #67 - 05/23/18 at 15:26:40

oldNslow wrote on 05/22/18 at 18:42:20:

LostArtist wrote on 05/22/18 at 17:49:01:

you know, before the 60's, 70's maybe, didn't we have nationally run mental health institutions, yes, yes, I know, they were awful, but it's one more thing that we don't have today....

Deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill in this country started shortly after WWII I think and accelerated in the next few decades until we wound up with what we've got today. But that situation deals with legitimely mentally ill folks. People with an actual MEDICAL diagnoses.
How they were cared for then vs. now and how that might contribute to the problems we're talking about in this thread is a legitimate debate, but it isn't exactly what I was alluding to in my previous post.

Having people who do not conform to the prevailing social or political ideology declared mentally ill, by the very caretakers of that prevailing ideology is what I was referring to. That isn't happening here now I don't think, and maybe it never will. But it has happened, and is happening now, in enough other places that it bears being on guard against.

did I quote your post???

it was just a thought, with no connection to whatever the heck you're talking about now, which may or may not be legitimate as I haven't thought about it at all.

but now that you mention it..

isn't Liberalism often called a "mental disorder" by the party in power right now? and isn't the word "Libtard" a favorite of conservatives? It does seem like there is a movement to make liberals and lefties crazy.... I mean, we are ALWAYS wrong and shouldn't ever be listened to. The prevailing social and political ideology is Trumpism, it's winning is it not? it'll just be a short time before I'm behind bars because of it too, cause how dare I think differently than the conservative leaders all around me.

it was nice knowing you....

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Reply #68 - 05/23/18 at 16:43:22

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isn't Liberalism often called a "mental disorder" by the party in power right now? and isn't the word "Libtard" a favorite of conservatives? It does seem like there is a movement to make liberals and lefties crazy.... I mean, we are ALWAYS wrong and shouldn't ever be listened to. The prevailing social and political ideology is Trumpism...

I believe you are mistaking the prevailing political ideology of this little internet board for that of the world at large.

The prevailing political and social ideology of the Western world right now is Liberal progressivism, socialism, One-Worldism inclusiveness, diversity. is strength, all cultures are equal, morality is relative, feelings trump (sorry, can't think of a synonym) reason, nobody has a right to be better, smarter richer prettier than anyone else,gender is whatever you think it is etc... Has been for quite some time. Even the Elites that are running things in most Western countries know that this ideology that they profess to believe in is total bullsh*t of course. They just don't care because they are, you know, running things.

Trumps election threw a wrench into those gears, and pis*ed off the folks who were in charge before he inexplicably popped up,.but he won't be around forever, and when he's gone the transmission will, unfortunately, be grinding along again.

Cheer up. I don't think you're in much danger of being locked up.

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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12834 Gender:	Re: Wild wild west... Reply #69 - 05/24/18 at 03:52:19 How can anyone argue against the points in this article? Go ahead, I dare you. One of the best takeaways is fact that over past couple decades more guns have been sold but gun crimes have actually gone down. http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/23/guns-dont-kill-people-gun-bans/
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Trippah Serious Thumper Offline I ride, therefore I am. Posts: 2517 central Mass Gender:	Re: Wild wild west... Reply #70 - 05/24/18 at 06:05:00 Alright, I am now officially confused. Lets see, more cars sold than in the 70's but car deaths about the same 30K a year. Oh, perhaps its because although there are more cars but a person usually only drives one or two at the same time.
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12834 Gender:	Re: Wild wild west... Reply #71 - 05/24/18 at 09:07:53 Bottom line, more guns did not equal more gun deaths. Now, did the greater number of guns directly influence less gun deaths over those decades? Not sure. Had there been fewer guns, would there have been even fewer gun deaths? Not sure. here, read this: www.anncoulter.com yea, I know, it's Coulter, but read her latest column anyway.
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28365 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Wild wild west... Reply #72 - 05/24/18 at 09:16:43 Which bathroom does Ann use?...
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LostArtist

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Reply #73 - 05/24/18 at 09:50:04

oldNslow wrote on 05/23/18 at 16:43:22:

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isn't Liberalism often called a "mental disorder" by the party in power right now? and isn't the word "Libtard" a favorite of conservatives? It does seem like there is a movement to make liberals and lefties crazy.... I mean, we are ALWAYS wrong and shouldn't ever be listened to. The prevailing social and political ideology is Trumpism...

I believe you are mistaking the prevailing political ideology of this little internet board for that of the world at large.

no, I'm not, I don't speak any "crazy liberal" ideas in public where I am, I don't speak about politics in the open, I've seen the many, many, many bumper stickers and signs in the yard around my area. you might live in a moderate or even liberal area, but I DO NOT, and with the authoritarian attitude of the current administration and those that support him, I take no risks.

The prevailing political and social ideology of the Western world right now is Liberal progressivism, socialism, One-Worldism inclusiveness, diversity. is strength, all cultures are equal, morality is relative, feelings trump (sorry, can't think of a synonym) reason, nobody has a right to be better, smarter richer prettier than anyone else,gender is whatever you think it is etc... Has been for quite some time. Even the Elites that are running things in most Western countries know that this ideology that they profess to believe in is total bullsh*t of course. They just don't care because they are, you know, running things.

no, it's not, Conservatives have loudly and proudly proclaimed that America is a center RIGHT country, Conservative news is the number 1 rated news programming, even neo-nazi's are gettting bold enough to march openly and "alt-right" has been growing and growing, I think they've just now taken a bit of a hit but with 4 more years of Trump.... And TRUMP is in POWER, and he's routing out any perceived opposition in the "deep state" -- you know, those that serve the Nation under the law and not Trump, so TRUMP and his cronies are running things, not the liberal "elite"

Trumps election threw a wrench into those gears, and pis*ed off the folks who were in charge before he inexplicably popped up,.but he won't be around forever, and when he's gone the transmission will, unfortunately, be grinding along again.

Cheer up. I don't think you're in much danger of being locked up.

maybe, maybe not, who knows if he'll actually give up power, he seems to think he's king here, so if anyone asks you, my name is Joe Sandwich... really, it is...

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Reply #74 - 05/24/18 at 09:52:15

WebsterMark wrote on 05/24/18 at 09:07:53:

Bottom line, more guns did not equal more gun deaths. Now, did the greater number of guns directly influence less gun deaths over those decades? Not sure. Had there been fewer guns, would there have been even fewer gun deaths? Not sure.

here, read this: www.anncoulter.com yea, I know, it's Coulter, but read her latest column anyway.

no, sorry, Coulter gets none of my respect or clicks or views, she's extreme in the worst ways, I'm not asking you to read Pelosi or any of those, so no way

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