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Re: Is it safe to use 10W30 engine oil instead 10W
Reply #75 - 01/11/18 at 08:17:04

piedmontbuckeye wrote on 01/11/18 at 08:04:40:

"It's a low tech engine that requires low tech oil."

Huh??? why not improve on it by using high-tech oil?

Because the current EPA imposed High-Tech results in oil with a low ZZDP level that wears out our cam and rockers.....and friction modifiers like Moly that result in clutch slippage.

Our low tech engine doesn't like that kind of high-tech!

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Re: Is it safe to use 10W30 engine oil instead 10W
Reply #76 - 01/11/18 at 08:36:45

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/11/18 at 08:16:55:

High tech oils don't have sufficient zddp.
Usually they have friction modifiers, not okay for the clutch.

The engine design is old. The oils available at the time were fine for the design. Modern oils will wreck it.

This is just ignorance. What is lacking can be added, and there are plenty of the new oils that do NOT have the bad additives (remember that most motorcycle engines also have wet clutches as well). The new synthetics are far superior that to question that is ridiculous. The dino oils will go the way of the dino!!

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Is it safe to use 10W30 engine oil instead 10W Reply #77 - 01/11/18 at 08:42:45 And that's just dumb. Why open up the chemistry lab and stir things into a product that doesn't have what I need when I can grab a jug and pour? How much better will your Custom mix be? I figure if an off the shelf oil will keep it on the road for 100,000 miles, it's good enough..
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piedmontbuckeye Senior Member Offline Go Bucks! Posts: 496 Easley, SC Gender:	Re: Is it safe to use 10W30 engine oil instead 10W Reply #78 - 01/11/18 at 08:51:31 "How much better will your Custom mix be?" LOTS better! It's hard to argue with facts!
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Re: Is it safe to use 10W30 engine oil instead 10W
Reply #79 - 01/11/18 at 08:55:11

piedmontbuckeye wrote on 01/11/18 at 08:36:45:

The new synthetics are far superior that to question that is ridiculous.!!

Is the some reason you don't believe the Rotellat T6 Synthetic is a good oil? We are not saying you need to use a Dino oil like the T4 - just that a lot of the newer oils are not formulated in a way that is friendly to an engine that doesn't have roller rockers.

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Re: Is it safe to use 10W30 engine oil instead 10W
Reply #80 - 01/11/18 at 09:06:57

Dave wrote on 01/11/18 at 08:55:11:

piedmontbuckeye wrote on 01/11/18 at 08:36:45:

The new synthetics are far superior that to question that is ridiculous.!!

Is the some reason you don't believe the Rotellat T6 Synthetic is a good oil? We are not saying you need to use a Dino oil like the T4 - just that a lot of the newer oils are not formulated in a way that is friendly to an engine that doesn't have roller rockers.

I understand the various positions. I LIKE the Rotella T6 as it is based upon the synthetic base of natural gas - like the sister Pennzoil, but better for the Savage per the Pennzoil rep. The natural gas base is even superior to the base that has been used in the traditional synthetics like Mobil 1. At least that is my understanding of the latest information.
Pennzoil is owned by Shell.

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Papa Bear Senior Member Offline Posts: 476 Canada ... near the Motor City Gender:	Re: Is it safe to use 10W30 engine oil instead 10W Reply #81 - 01/11/18 at 11:49:09 Some say the transmission shears T6 faster than T4 .. may want to check that out.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28755 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Is it safe to use 10W30 engine oil instead 10W Reply #82 - 01/11/18 at 13:07:43 Papa Bear wrote on 01/11/18 at 11:49:09: Some say the transmission shears T6 faster than T4 .. may want to check that out. My understanding is that T4 and T6 are from the same base oil. T6 is only refined more.
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Papa Bear Senior Member Offline Posts: 476 Canada ... near the Motor City Gender:	Re: Is it safe to use 10W30 engine oil instead 10W Reply #83 - 01/11/18 at 13:16:45 I believe T4 is a Group 2 base and T6 is a group 3 (+) The oil companies are not forth-coming on base oil utilization in their blends
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Re: Is it safe to use 10W30 engine oil instead 10W
Reply #84 - 01/11/18 at 19:40:30

piedmontbuckeye wrote on 01/11/18 at 08:51:31:

"How much better will your Custom mix be?"

LOTS better! It's hard to argue with facts!

I GAVE you facts. People who run Rotella are running 150 THOUSAND MILES.
And spending about$14.00/gallon.
NOT buying additives and spending TIME stirring up the Miracle Oil.
How much more than 150,000 miles will you get with your
Added time and money?

Lay the snark down for a while and consider the return on investment.

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Re: Is it safe to use 10W30 engine oil instead 10W
Reply #85 - 01/11/18 at 20:19:07

It is hard for me to accept advice on how good some new oil is with no track record. What you read about it is mostly salespeople doing their job---trying to sell their new oil. Next week they will have some other new latest and greatest to sell.
Rotella WORKS! Plain and simple.
If someone wants to brag about their new oil, show me a picture of your speedo. When you roll over 100k with your new oil I MAY listen.

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Reply #86 - 01/12/18 at 03:08:54

Gary_in_NJ wrote on 01/11/18 at 05:50:51:

"If you can get 3 or 4 quarts of motul put it on your fingers and see how sticky it is and how big of a pain in the butt it is to clean it off your hands it's got some of the best clinging agents I've ever seen it holds up to 752 horsepower in the ZX11 and over 660 horse out of my ZX14 plus they offered in a lot of different weights 10w40 10w60 20w50 we also run it in Top Fuel Motors."

Not exactly a scientific way of testing viscosity, or any other property of oil for that matter. Not sure I want to pour 3 or 4 quarts through my fingers either.

Bottom line, the Savage ISN'T a ZX14, a drag racer nor will it ever make more than 50 hp. It's a low tech engine that requires low tech oil.

wrong is got a 4 valve head not a 2 valve is its kinda hi tech lol and I bet I will get more than 50hp out of it

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Re: Is it safe to use 10W30 engine oil instead 10W
Reply #88 - 01/12/18 at 03:33:35

Not all ZDDP additives are safe for use in a Wet Clutch application.

Dave wrote on 08/08/12 at 11:37:27:

I emailed Lucas about their Zinc Plus Break in Oil. I was not concerned about the ZDDP.....but did get concerned about the other additives that are claimed to speed up the break in process......and I wondered if any of them were the friction modifiers that we are supposed to avoid with our wet clutches.

The recommendation from Lucas was not to use this product in a wet clutch application.

Here is a list of the ZDDP additives that are safe to use in the Savage.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1344471565

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