It might be a duty cycle thing, it might also might be a "Heck, I can claim whatever I want since I will never actually make that version anyway" sort of thing.

Rossi is facing a "crisis of belief" right now as even Mats Lewan is obviously no longer a total Rossi Believer.

I personally am no longer a "Rossi as a supplier" Believer as his ever changing business models make no sense to me.

Somebody will crack the code and publish the secret sauce eventually.  

I expect to be dead of old age long before then with Rossi preceding me.




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https://e-catworld.com/2021/12/20/ecat-qas-completed/

Verslagen, Rossi clarified quite a bit on the 100,000 hours of unit life --- amazingly that is constant use hours with any intermittent duty use factor that you calculate being added on top of these 100,000 total hours to make them even larger.  

He sees no penalty for starting or stopping the unit, with it stopping or starting easily in a second or so.  100,000 hours at 100% utilization (most generator uses reflect a 10% utilization figure) so this means potentially a full lifetime of 10% duty cycle generator type usage.

Rossi has high expectations of 100,000 hour unit life span, but he only guarantees his sealed blue box system with a replacement warranty for 3 years, so you can go figure what he really has for his unit life span after his units begin to need replacing.  

It smells like he is perhaps expecting one of the electronic components in his blue box to crap out eventually, so he bases his warranty on those electronic components failing on a somewhat generally known electronic service life curve.

He mentions no fuel that is going to be used up per se, so his blue box itself slowly degrading may be his total unit life.  Or his electronics will fail in use eventually (all electronics eventually do) so he always replaces the electronics complete when plugging in a new blue box unit.

One of the use cases he mentions is a power wall sized battery with an output inverter to get 120 and 240 volt AC wall socket power at heavier amp outputs for some intermittent home power uses.

I think he is talking about some future unit with a higher output, though.

I would think he could possibly trickle charge an EV car (in slow trickle charging mode) as that would certainly be possible, but not running one directly as the tiny watts output of any future blue box unit isn't nearly high enough to move a car.

https://e-catworld.com/2022/01/07/rossi-our-customers-are-mostly-big-buyers-t...

Rossi: “Our Customers are mostly big buyers that will resell the Ecats.”
Posted on January 7, 2022 • 30 Comments

Lots of questions have come up in recent days from readers who are surprised at the numbers of Ecat pre-orders that Andrea Rossi is reporting; at last report it was over 600,000. Yet, looking at the view count for the Ecat presentation video (https://youtu.be/Kx54nYgKfNg), we see that today the SKLep demo video has less than 3,000 views and 60 likes.

Who is ordering Ecats in such quantities?

Today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, Andrea Rossi stated that the ‘lion’s part’ of the orders placed have come from ‘big buyers’, and subsequently he went on to say this:

Andrea Rossi
January 7, 2022 at 7:21 PM
Giuseppe:
Our Customers are mostly big buyers that will resell the Ecats.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

From this comment it would seem that there are some businesses are seeing selling Ecats as a business opportunity. If it works as described, it will be an attractive product for many persons. Certainly there is an initial upfront cost involved, but once the system is paid for, if the Ecat performs as Leonardo theorises (100,000 hours) you could have almost free electricity for a very long time.

Think of the solar panel industry. There are thousands of companies around the world that sell solar panels, install solar systems, and maintain and repair them. This is a model that could be followed with Ecats. Early buyers of large quantities of Ecats might be able to make deals with Leonardo to get Ecats at a discount and resell them for a profit. Or some might specialize in building Ecat power plants and sell or lease them to customers. I am sure there are many creative ways to approach Ecat business.

These are extremely early days. So far mass production has not even started, but you can be sure that there are enterprising individuals and businesses who will be looking at the Ecat product and seeing the potential for providing useful services and making money.


I think these large resellers will be the first ones to repackage the Rossi units into "application type packages", with wiring and gauging needed for the application.

Need a constant low wattage trickle charger for your new EV car?    One of these guys can perhaps provide what you need .......

Rossi is the only one that can provide the blue boxes, but by setting it up as a distributed sales system with many system integrator companies he can get into more low power niches that much quicker.



100 watts is not enough output power to be very useful for anything but the very lightest uses --- Rossi needs to provide a more powerful model to really get into the swing of things.

https://e-catworld.com/2022/01/16/brilliant-light-power-updated-business-pres...


Thanks to an ECW reader for sending me a link to a slideshow showing an updated business presentation (January 2022) by Brilliant Light Power

https://brilliantlightpower.com/pdf/Business_Presentation.pdf

There is a lot of information in the presentation about the market that BLP is targeting, which is basically the whole of the energy sector. They emphasize that the opportunities are vast. BLP is planning to provide both electricity generation (Power SunCell) and heat products (Thermal SunCell).

They want to operate in the transportation, heating, electricity generation, desalination markets in all kinds of applicatio

Here are a few points that stand out to me from the presentation:

About Brilliant Light Power

• The proprietary SunCell® has been validated by experts at an excess power scale of 300 kW
producing blackbody radiation and continuously producing steam.
• We are running internal optical and thermal trials at a scale of 100-250 kW continuous power production and an extraordinary power density of up to
5MW/liter

Catalytic Reaction of Atomic Hydrogen to Hydrino®

• Atomic hydrogen reacts with an energy acceptor called a catalyst wherein energy is transferred
from atomic hydrogen to the catalyst which forms an ion due to accepting the energy

• Then, the negative electron drops to a lower shell closer to the positive proton to form a smaller
hydrogen atom called a “hydrino” releasingenergy that ultimately is in the form of heat

• The catalyst ion regains its lost electrons to reform the catalyst for another cycle with the
release of the initial energy accepted from hydrogen. With the imposition of an arc current
condition, the limiting space charge of the ionized electrons is eliminated and the rate becomes
massively high

Brilliant Light Power’s Path Forward

• We are pursuing commercial thermal and electrical power sources for essentially all power markets at the modular scale of 100-250 kW.

BLP say their path forward is to:

• Prove our power source to the world in the near term through power field trials, identification of the
Hydrino® products of the reaction, and engineered power systems.
• Engineer products
• Commercialize solutions


Rossi has poked his competitors in the nose by selling 1 and 2 megawatt units that provide electrical power directly from the Rossi E-cat reaction.    The best Mills can provide right now is 300 kw of light and steam heat energy, something that is not very useful compared to Rossi's output of 1 megawatt of battery charging direct electrical current (which can be inverted into AC output formats as well as be accumulated and stored in large battery arrays while still in the DC format).  

Mills can only power up steam level mechanical technologies right now, or run a steam AC generator system .......  Mills' promised "photoelectric conversion"  is way too iffy on photoelectric durability as the current Mills intense light output quickly kills the current available photoelectric cells very quickly as the light is simply too intense.  

Plus Mills reactors also like to melt themselves down spontaneously inside of minutes to hours of use time.

Mills makes a single huge intense single power cell that likes to melt itself down spontaneously, vs Rossi who makes many many little tiny very portable very durable low output reactors that last for 10 years (current projections).

Mills spends most of his presentation trying to secure his Hydrino theories, spending much time saying his Hydrinos are the dark matter scientists cannot find in nature (astrophysics scientists say "Bullshite" on this topic).

Rossi spends zero time on such matters, saying that his rapid commercialization is the only proof that counts right now.

Rossi appears to be 3-5 years ahead of Mills at this time.   If Rossi continues to move at this pace, he will be well into his first wave of implementation before Mills can even get started.   Not being started by then will tend to mean "never gets started" as Mills requires a large flow of capital $$$ just to exist, much less to move forward.

Rossi will be self funding from actual sales of units once his mass production begins.

By offering up 1 and 2 megawatt container units for sale right now, today, Rossi has cut Mills off at the knees on his future funding, at least as far as getting any new investors might go.

Rossi's next milestone is a reasonably sized Rossi unit constantly charging a "reasonable sized" battery in a EV car, yielding functionally unlimited mileage ..........

Many printer ribbons worth of theoretical comparisons take place every year on things that do not really exist nor are they even readily comparable to each other if they actually did make it to reality.

In computer processor testing, many processors do not yield the advertised or expected results once direct independent same same comparisons are made after they are physically built and sold.

Rossi may never actually make a 1 meg unit for a commercial user.   Then again, since he is getting orders for them now he may well eventually do so.   But you are right, not right now anyway.

He has made a 1 meg unit previously for the US military (an old steam producer, not an electrical output unit).   It was  deemed"unsuitable" to military needs and was returned to Leonardo.

This same unit was reworked and improved to become the Doral container unit for the year long Industrial Heat Doral Florida test.  

Because the state of Rossi's art had advanced over the several years the newer better cores installed in the front of the 40 foot container were half the effective volume of the old cores with double the output of steam.

So, in short you are correct in your comments.   Reality is not here yet.

But, historically speaking "Rossi reality" will likely be better than expected when it does actually get here.

You are mistaken, as Doral did meet and exceed the contractual output specs and COP requirements of the Doral test.   Whupped the dickens out of the Doral test requirements, actually ----- but the requirements had been based upon previous generations of E-Cats and the test actually encompassed two newer generations of Rossi powder based reactors.

By the Doral test requirements, Rossi was to run up to 24 reactors during the test with 2 being held in reserve for maintenance activities.  He was to get an ongoing COP of two on a monthly average.

He had 12 old reactors and 8 new reactors plumbed up available at the same time inside the 40 foot container.   He actually ran the test using only the new ones and only ran up a couple of the older reactors ever (once or twice) when he was taking whole sets of the new ones off line to do repair / refine work on them.  He did this to keep his "steam output at rate" days up instead of using any of his limited down days.

Rossi found that he could meet COP = 2 at contracted steam output levels just using just 4 new reactors,  his normal running COP was 8-10 when using all 8 new reactors at relatively lower output levels per unit, and when he was running his extended SSM tests he hit COP = 30 plus ongoing with several spikes going over COP = 80.

Rossi never dropped below COP = 3 on a weekly average even when doing set based maintenance and he always met his steam amount, pressure and temperature requirements.

Did Rossi sandbag the Doral test?   Heck yes he sandbagged the hell out of it, he always holds back information and he always exceeds his test expectations.  He never tells you what he is currently working on.  

He has never and will never share the entirety of the secret sauce with anyone.

The Doral test was very clearly a contractual success and Industrial Heat was busy losing the court case on all points when they finally settled with Rossi just days before the final verdict was to be rendered by the jury.  

Rossi got back all his IP and trade secrets, all his reactor units, all the reactor units built by Industrial Heat and all the various test rigs that were built up by Industrial Heat or their various consortium members.

Industrial Heat and the Industrial Heat Consortium members were banned from trying to sell or to use any of the IP they had stuck in their heads.   Rossi also got an undisclosed amount of money in addition to the 10 million that we know he got early on in the relationship.

Rossi also learned that powder based reactors slowly ate themselves up structurally due to EVO formation, so yes in that sense the Doral test told Rossi he can't make his big powder reactors work in the long term in larger sized reactors.  

Rossi wanted all the reactors back for tear down analysis, plus he carefully saved all of the old powder inside them (a seed of old used powder is used inside a brand new powder reactor to aid with the startup of the new reactor).

Equipped with the new knowledge gained from Doral, Rossi switched his efforts over to small plasma based reactors and that is what we are seeing all the progress fruit from today.

Doral is totally water over the dam now, and that suits me fine.

Saying that Doral failed isn't right, although the lasting knowledge from Doral is that powder based reactors simply do not work much beyond a year due to the electrodes and the vessel walls becoming corrupted by EVO transformation effects.    

Rossi learned how to build an AI system to monitor things in an ongoing fashion from Doral.

........  also Rossi also pointedly learned not to spend hours & hours & hours looking at the E-Cat reaction through a welding mask or through welding goggles ----- his face and neck and voice have never recovered from the prolonged intense UV light exposure, nor has his hair & scalp ever really come back.


Please also remember there was constant ongoing day by day independent verification of the Doral test output numbers   Darden's boys never successfully repudiated any part of the ongoing independent verification of the Doral test numbers in court in any meaningful fashion.


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Rossi just announced 700,000 pre-orders.

His butt must be puckering up really tight as he is closer to put up or shut up than he has ever been before.  

If he ships working units he will be exposing how they actually work very publicly, and if he cannot bring himself to do this then Rossi is fully capable of doing an instant reversal on his announced roll out plan and going back into his hole.

He did it with the little light after all, and Rossi just absorbed the costs associated with this reversal.

 Yeah I understand Rossi is stating he achieved 352 days, however IH states he did not.  Also the ultimate end deal as I understand was to provide a useable unit, not a test structure where he had to be altering components every day.  Maybe not in the phase 2 though.

 At the end of the day they both set this up so they would end up where they did.  A true independent output analysis would have resolved this and they didn't do it.  

 I'm interested in who would pay over 2 million for an untested electrical plant.  If he actually had proof of this level of output he should have sales all over the place.

 I am not fully aware of the Darden attempts at sales, I heard about it, but never saw any actual information one could examine.


 Rossi doesn't need any controlling business partners, he needs independent verification.

 No other company has ever needed to give away IP or secrets etc. to get this done.  The inability to test product without giving away critical information is unique to Rossi.