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Title: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/27/17 at 19:16:08 This is a new generic thread that I will use to put in the new bits and pieces as they happen in the Low Energy Nuclear Reaction saga. Let's start with some new info on what is actually happening in LENR, it isn't fission and it isn't fusion (in the traditional H bomb sense). It is a version of lattice assisted TRANSFORMATION that results in energy released as light, or heat, or electricity. http://e-catworld.com/2017/08/25/transmutation-confirmed-new-mfmp-video-nova-basic-first-look-at-2-minute-processed-charcoal/ This one is from an arc reactor, similar to Mills work, edging over a bit towards Rossi's work. What it shows is technical proof (documented from MFMP) that elemental transformation is occurring during LENR. What is new is that it was done using CARBON, simple old cheap as wood CARBON. This opens up a new approach path using another very common element, but it isn't really as good as a nickel matrix. Nickel can sit around in a low pressure hydrogen gas bath for months while Carbon has to be vacuum shielded from atmospheric oxygen or it combusts. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/27/17 at 19:24:13 Nickel can sit around in a low pressure hydrogen gas bath for months while Carbon has to be vacuum shielded from atmospheric oxygen or it combusts. Huhh? What's MFMP? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/28/17 at 07:00:07 Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project He's the guy that originally discovered this stuff -- long dead now. The brit accent guy in all the "debunking" You Tubes is one of this group of FOSS guys, including the ones that run the E-Cat World web site. Justin, the Carbon based stuff couldn't ever see any air up at operating temps or it would burn like coal does. Carbon is good for proving out transformations as you can readily buy pure carbon, then you can measure what's in the little nodules that form on a spectograph and see what the transformational products really are. Carbon arc light electrode stuff is made from a very pure very hard carbon normally. Current Arc lights are filled with a noble gas normally, so subbing in some low pressure hydrogen is easy enough to do. The resulting rig can quickly test combinations of stuff to see which ones transform quicker and "more". It is good for test evaluations, not for making power since an arc blast isn't very efficient at all. The nickel matrix stuff really doesn't care so much about a little air getting in, it wouldn't burn like a chunk of coal does. A nickel in your pocket doesn't rust and it stays shiny after all. Hydrogen gas is quite mobile, which is why Rossi uses a solid source (lithium hydroxide) that releases the very small amount of hydrogen gas that is needed inside the sealed capsule each time the thing gets up to temperature. It also melts and coats the nickel grains which provides the lithium and the hydrogen at the point of use. Lithium is one of the transformation adder elements, with the lithium and the nickel going up in isotopic weight by eating hydrogen bits and pieces and then turning the starter element into a smattering of other heavier elements eventually. -- if someone ran it hot enough and long enough without melting it down that is -- ======================================== http://e-catworld.com/2017/08/28/rossi-e-cat-qx-control-system-final-resolving-problems-with-financial-partnerships/ ROSSI SEZ: Rossi has found his controls partner and now has a finalized "tuned for production design" which hopefully he will be displaying at his October demo. All of the various groups should be polishing up finalized stuff that you possibly could GO BUY with simple, plain old American dollars fairly soon ..... after UL (or equivalent) approvals of course. Since the methods used are all different we should see at least a Edison, a Westinghouse and a couple of other early starters and there should be competition of ideas and price. Indian and Chinese and Russian guys are working on their own designs as well, but since nobody here reads those languages news from them only come out in English in sporadic spurts when somebody translates it. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/28/17 at 09:15:13 Thanks for the Readers Digest version. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 09/11/17 at 10:40:22 Update on the "slow debunking" being done by MFMP by attempting to replicate each of the various groups works in progress. ECCO (Sudas from India) was deemed worth another (3rd) trip by the MFMP guys, but Sudas's adult son suddenly decided he wasn't going to allow his aging father to give away a valuable technology so he took and hid his daddy's reactor somewhere far far away from the lab. (ain't that the shites --- turns out sonny boy was in cahoots with the foreclosing banker that was acting so stubborn last trip as well) MFMP says the ECCO reactor's ash has all the trace elements in the ash that prove that it worked at some point in time, but since the man's children got all greedy and snatchy about the whole thing MFMP is giving up on trying to work with this group of very very India Indians. Rather than make any more trips back & forth to India, MFMP will disperse the considerable knowledge gained by the 3 trips done so far and after sonny boy gets his head out of his posterior perhaps Sudas can recover his reactor and continue his with work somewhere else, backed by someone else. However sonny boy has an issue in that his Daddy has already put ECCO very firmly into the public domain very publically, so sonny boy gets no patents granted anywhere ...... likely he has simply sold the reactor to the Russians or to the Chinese and it is long gone by now. Greed is popping up all over the projects that are actually working, as BILLIONS of dollars are likely at stake in these very few really working projects. ==================================== Rossi SEZ he has already private demo'd his E-CatX multi reactor plant seeking more funds to build a series of reactor plants and Rossi SEZ he already has at least one financial backer (or backers) and has already sold 5 industrial reactor placements on the "we will sell you the steam but we will hold on to our reactors" program approach similar to what they used before in Doral. These 5 prototype E-CatX industrial reactors are being built in Florida as we speak and they are each BIGGER than a Megawatt each. Rossi is rolling along fairly well now and believe it or not Industrial Heat has now had the gall to put out a troll patent that they claim covers Rossi's newest designed reactors. This is in direct contempt of the court resolution that was just reached months ago which gives you an idea that folks really are willing to risk going to jail to stake out just a sliver of what is coming down the pike. Industrial espionage at its finest, don't cha you know ...... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/12/17 at 17:52:22 So, if it isn't fission and it isn't fusion can I call it Confusing? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 09/12/17 at 19:03:04 You can call it LENR or E-Cat energy (that actually means energy catalyzer energy) which describes the process used. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/12/17 at 19:40:40 I don't get excited about New Tech very often. Constant Velocity Transmissions over thirty years ago, nanotubes, graphene, cool stuff, but I Want a little heater, |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 09/19/17 at 04:28:38 Countries with LENR groups that are moving towards commercialization America (3). Italy(2), Sweden (2), Japan, India, China, Russia. Top three countries for real progress are America, Sweden and Italy. Look to see tightly controlled but very real Industrial / Commercial products announced for "test installations" in these countries sometimes in 2018. Example: Rossi puts out a public demo, finishes up his 5 sigma test run and begins installing his first sets of "retained hardware" installations at selected partner sites. Think of them as "retained prototype trials" and you will have it well in mind. ========================================= We have new patent activity from the aerospace big boys, turns out that gov. black funding WAS building some LENR this and that devices all along. Mitsubishi in Japan is also dropping new patents for some Rossi "sorta look-a-likes". ========================================= The reactionless space drive has been brought out of the closet by China -- it is real and it is in space doing "altitude maintenance" duties on a few long term satellites as we speak. NASA and DARPA are silent at this time. ========================================= |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 09/20/17 at 18:12:18 https://ecat.com/ecat-products/ecat-energy ECAT Heat Energy Leonardo Corporation now offers ECAT Heat Energy as a separate product solution. The ECAT plants are owned and operated by Leonardo Corporation while installed in the customers facilities or at a location in the vicinity of the customers facilities depending on local needs and infrastructure. The ECAT Heat Energy is delivered by steam at 100-120 Celsius and extracted through the customers local heat exchangers. Return temperatures can be in any range between 5-95 Celsius. Leonardo Corporation initially look for customers with 24/7 facility operation due to ECAT plants preferred continuous operation. Please contact for quotes Rossi (post 5 sigma test) is now is disclosing his early production prototype unit "initial sites" marketing plans. Some of these units could be going into a few Swedish municipal steam heating stations to be installed and run all this winter along side the existing heat plants. ABB is thought to have a hand in running these secured test sites along with doing a few more in some internal ABB plant uses. ::) Looks like Rossi is being properly tested out with proper due diligence by the current business partners themselves. Also feels like there is a plan being followed that includes safety certification hours being earned. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 09/26/17 at 17:58:46 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/business/dealbook/general-electric-abb.html?mcubz=1 https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/09/25/swiss-abb-buy-unit-general-electric-2-6-billion/699601001/ https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/25/abb-ceo-spiesshofer-is-confident-about-deal-with-general-electric.html http://https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c3ff7008f041d67ada90d95b732e754275d091ea/c=32-0-548-387&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2017/01/20/USATODAY/usatsports/abb-2_large.png ABB just bought the industrial side of General Electric, manufacturing plants, distribution system and all. Now ABB has what they need to do some major things in the USA. GENEVA — Swiss robotics and industrial machinery maker ABB is buying the electrification services unit of U.S. conglomerate General Electric in a deal valued at $2.6 billion, boosting its presence in its crucial North American market. The deal between ABB, which provides high-tech equipment for the transport, utility and infrastructure industries, and GE is expected to close in the first half of next year. |
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Title: Re: LENtR (ongoing) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/26/17 at 18:50:49 Our grid is vulnerable and easily damaged badly. Some of the transformers are hard to replace. If a transformer that is hard to replace blows up, many people will be without power for weeks, while a new one is built. This could bring electrical supply into a more local provider system. This is The exciting tech for me. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 09/26/17 at 19:41:14 http://e-catworld.com/2017/09/17/rossi-e-cat-good-enough-for-electricity-generation-on-industrial-scale/ Read down in the comments, they make mention a medium/small liquid c02 based turbine plant (not steam) that could drop into a sub station to be backup power in case of disaster/hurricane/tornado. Or be wheeled up as a 18 wheeler delivered mobile unit. This could look a whole lot like a train engine (trains now run off of electricity generated by the engines out in front of the train -- actually they can be put at the end or the middle of the train as well since the actual motors are in the wheel assemblies of the "driver cars" which are put in line according to where the generator and drive wheels are needed to be to get the long line of stuff going uphill most efficiently. This fits Rossi stuff to a "T" and also falls totally in line with the very recent ABB purchase of GE Power Transmission Systems. Another gas that could do this duty is the heavy duty petrocarbon refrigeration gases that have replaced R22 industry wide. This gas if heated up enough could spin a small turbine generating electrical power and then the waste gas inside the sealed system could either cool or heat a transfer liquid to make a "no net cost" refrigeration/heating system which would work somewhat akin to a heat pump. Can you see the applications in large buildings and industrial settings? Free power, plus heating or cooling depending on the season. http://https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c3ff7008f041d67ada90d95b732e754275d091ea/c=32-0-548-387&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2017/01/20/USATODAY/usatsports/abb-2_large.png We are past the experimental development of the idea of LENR now, we are into the industrial development of LENR as an energy technology. LENR is real now, and is undergoing industrial development. LENR faces its major competition from solar, with China being the leading producer of solar cells. Tesla is the company whose ideas encompass "the other alternative" to Rossi and his LENR reactors. If you wanted to invest some LENR dollars, ABB is the place to put some funds as they will reap whatever first wave dollars are generated in America, Sweden and Europe as they are positioning themselves as the primo LENR energy leader. ABB is a company with the resources to pay out 2.6 Billion dollars to simply go BUY General Electric and gain the maintenance rights for our current electrical infrastructure. ABB also made the existing prototype robotic line that builds the little ECat cells and their controls division apparently built Rossi's newest control system. Lots of secrecy is still surrounding Rossi's bigger than 1 megawatt generators which have been built and are undergoing trials for the next several years. Trust that the next generation of ECat power stations past this one will be built just as quickly and tested out with similar levels of secrecy. Since the tests run for so long, there will be several generations in test and in use until the tech finally matures in about 10 years. ABB robotics lines can kick out what is needed for such trial units VERY QUICKLY ..... also expect Rossi to stop talking as much as he did in the past as his new business partner(s) are injured fiscally if he lets any cats out of any bags. This will be hard for Rossi, but I think he can do it. Tesla and ABB are beginning to feel like the Westinghouse and General Electric of this upcoming LENR wave with our good old buddies Cherokee/Industrial Heat becoming the resident patent troll sitting off to the side sniping at the others. Rossi is talking very very little about the ongoing demos that are taking place as we speak, with some type of show and tell that is taking place PRIVATELY and secretly under nondisclosure agreements, not being done publically at all. He isn't talking at all about the first test units, where they are located, etc. I doubt severely Rossi is the sales person for these demos, as ABB/GE has an entire sales group to do that, one that speaks English well and has a untarnished background and image. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 09/28/17 at 16:06:45 http://e-catworld.com/2017/09/28/rossi-new-partner-making-decisions/ Rossi's private demos and his meeting 5 sigma requirements went well enough to kick over into the next level of development. This will be controlled and expedited by Rossi's partners, not Rossi. Rossi admits that a layer of duct tape is being applied over his mouth and his fingers to keep him from even offering VAGUE HINTS going forward. Be assured that ABB and Siemens are swift enough to insist on FULL IP transfer, and, since they (ABB anyway) designed and built the robotics, the reactors and the control system itself you can trust that they understand Rossi's stuff just as well as Rossi does. Maybe even better. Rossi saying he is going off line now is a good thing, as it says LENR is going mainstream under the complete control of somebody else, somebody with a real industrial implementation plan and a long history of bringing stuff to fruition. Someone with a spotless reputation and enough size and political power to bash an IH troll senseless if needed. Look to see ABB and/or Siemens shift all of LENR over to Sweden/England/Germany, where even the ghost shadow of the IH past does not apply any at all. Also look to see Rossi become just a "contributor / employee" level apart from his holding certain base patents. Also look to see him sidelined soon by his upcoming health and age out issues. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 09/28/17 at 16:16:00 http://e-catworld.com/2017/09/27/lenr-electric-hybrid-locomotives/ http://coldfusion3.com/blog/rossi-working-with-largest-electronics-company-in-europe-on-steam-technology People are following up on these pathways as where there is smoke there may be NEW FIRE ..... http://coldfusion3.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/siemens-logo1.jpg Rossi once again elaborated on his proposed 10 Kilowatt ecat home heating device. He said it would weigh around 20 pounds and about one foot in length and diameter. Once again said it will be available next year and cost between $600 and $900 US. The devices are supposed to be made at a plant in the US. The devices would only be made in the US but shipped all over the world. Rossi also stated that he will publish his “theory” on which ecat is based next fall. He didn’t say where but he also claimed it will take five years to patent ecat because of legal difficulties. Siemens is a multinational conglomerate that makes everything from steam irons to electric trains. Siemens headquarters are in Munich, Germany, and it’s been around in one form or another since 1847. It currently employees 360,000 people in 190 countries and had revenues of $190 billion US (142 billion Euros) in 2011. If Rossi could get onboard with it he would have the resources he needs to complete his work. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/28/17 at 19:14:58 Rossi once again elaborated on his proposed 10 Kilowatt ecat home heating device. He said it would weigh around 20 pounds and about one foot in length and diameter. Once again said it will be available next year and cost between $600 and $900 US. The devices are supposed to be made at a plant in the US. The devices would only be made in the US but shipped all over the world. Ima be in that line with cash in hand. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 10/01/17 at 12:50:52 http://e-catworld.com/2017/09/30/czech-company-files-new-international-lenr-patent-application/ A new patent application has been filed with the World Intellectual Patent Organization for “THE METHOD OF GENERATING THERMAL ENERGY, DEVICES OF ITS IMPLEMENTATION AND HEAT GENERATION SYSTEMS”. The applicant is a company called Power Heat Energy S.R.O. based in Nusle in the Czech Republic. The text of the patent can be read here: https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/zh/detail.jsf?docId=WO2017152889&recNum=925&maxRec=65304499&office=&prevFilter=&sortOption=%E5%85%AC%E5%B8%83%E6%97%A5%E9%99%8D%E5%BA%8F&queryString=&tab=PCT+Biblio Unfortunately I am only able to find this referenced on a Chinese language portion of the so it’s not exactly clear who the inventor is — there are three Czech persons listed, and one Russian. It looks like the publication date was September 14, 2017. A PDF version is here: https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservicepdf_pct/id00000039286308/ETAPB/WO2017152889.pdf It’s a very detailed application; here are a few things that stood out to me. There seem to be a number of similarities with Rossi’s Fluid Heater Patent in terms of elements used. Copycats and Patent Trolls ..... everywhere ..... This one is a group of experimenters who, like me356, are close but not quite there. COP running 3-6 with reliability issues long term. What they are doing with this stake in the sand patent is preserving their chance to finish it out later. Rossi et al coming out of the gate with fully automated low cost production of a clearly superior product will win in the marketplace, but these guys acting to keep the gate open means that when somebody does learn Rossi's bag of tricks it can move out over the world unrestricted, forcing the lowering Rossi's initial high profit margins. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 10/15/17 at 08:12:05 http://e-catworld.com/2017/10/15/stirling-engines-now-extremely-important-to-rossi/ Rossi is ticking off the blocks to real production of real products. He has a handle on the long term 5 sigma requirement, production design of his reactors and his control system. So now Rossi is working on some first FINAL APPLICATION engineering questions now. He needs a source of a well designed Stirling engine, so he asked the peanut gallery for contact info for some good ones that he can just go buy one for cash, like right now. Kockums in Sweden uses one in their submarines that is "world class" for efficiency and durability. The same company builds smaller ones of the size range that Rossi needs ..... available for cash right now. There are also a class of CO2 regenerator type turbines that fit his Rossi temperature range stuff, and a class of industrial refrigeration gas heating cooling heat pump units that can do regenerator type turbine work as part of its cycle as well. All are sealed systems that use the heat with "high efficiency" and all of them have electrical generation all worked out already. The Peanut Gallery is thinking Rossi is putting together an "electricity generator" for his November demo. Rossi works with his partners and pulls knowledge as needed from his peanut gallery .... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 10/16/17 at 09:57:16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=74&v=NlCOFSbv6lQ MFMP Bob Greenyer presents the known state of LENR at the Order of Electrical Engineers Conference, seeking to transmit information and pick up some technical help with troublesome testing issues/equipment based items. This is the only time I have ever seen "compare and contrast" between the LENR systems on a high technical level, complete with some real peanut gallery questions/suggestions that were both pertinent and helpful. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by verslagen1 on 11/03/17 at 15:39:21 The watchers seem to be all hung up on what Rossi must do to prove to them that it works. The proof is in the pudin... Rossi needs to provide to developers a heater unit with certain power needs and output and walk away. Let them fit it to a stirling engine. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/07/17 at 02:00:58 http://e-catworld.com/2017/11/07/rossi-announces-e-cat-qx-presentation-november-24/ Hola Paco !!! It is at hand, two and a half weeks from now on Black Friday, Nov 24th ;) no less. There will be a live feed of the proceedings which I will post right here for those interested in watching the proceedings (either massive success or miserable doubtfulness depending on your individual moods). I'll put up a poll, no less -- you can register your level of belief if you will. What is hoped for is the reveal of the PARTNERS -- who they are and what resources they bring to the table. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/07/17 at 02:21:29 I'm more interested in your believing or not. You know more about the players and everything. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/07/17 at 03:49:35 By now Rossi knows if it is done yet or not. Rossi knew by halfway through the last one megawatt 1 year test that he didn't have a reliable system, so he (Rossi) imposed the 5 sigma test requirement on the current system to see if it was really ready or not. We need to know who the partners are ...... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/17/17 at 07:43:58 Rossi's fren-enemies have accidentally "attacked" him and gotten Ecat World suspended by Google no less. How? by plastering hot links all over the internet leading to the demo. http://www.ecat.com/ The demo will run Nov 24 at high noon. Believe it or not I just violated the Google Terms of Service too. But I doubt my reposting this link will result in Google instantly pulling the plug on SuzukiSavage.com for terms of ser .... <<<< Notice of Violation of Terms of Service --- this site will be shut down pending a review of grievous violations of Terms of Service. Broadly Posting or Disseminating false or misleading information intentionally is a violation of Google's TOS. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/17/17 at 10:53:39 Dangitt OF,Now look what you've done.. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/17/17 at 13:20:40 http://e-catworld.com/2017/11/15/the-invisible-ecw-on-google/ ...... apparently some folks have accused Rossi's E-Cat.com of all sorts of evil internet things, and Frank Ackland and the E-Cat World folks got sucked into it by simple name association. Conspiracy theories, anybody ????? Think maybe somebody wants Rossi shut down right before his demo goes off, huh ??? ================================================================ Rossi can generate more interest and more "buzz" and get more active oversight than anybody else without even trying ...... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/17/17 at 13:47:08 I'm surprised he's still alive. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/21/17 at 18:38:37 Google is undergoing their review process, but says the review process will take longer than the time that remains before the demo takes place. All parties understand that this internet side-swipe thing was done intentionally, but the complaining parties are sticking by their complaints, so Google says the embargo must remain in place until their review is completed. Interesting, though, that a new domain name that "fits well" was supplied by somebody, so now everybody is being told to GO HERE instead to get their demo access at noon on Friday the 24th. http://www.ecatworld.org/ The demo will also be on YouTube, but the exact location isn't known until it is actually posted, so tune into http://www.ecatworld.org/ or else just catch a news feed somewhere as it will be on Google Cards, Twitter, etc. etc. PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO BUY ANY SHARES IN ANY "OFFERINGS" BECAUSE THE EVIL FRAUD DUDES WILL BE OUT IN FORCE TRYING TO GET YOU TO GIVE THEM YOUR CHARGE CARD NUMBERS. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/24/17 at 13:41:15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=lkj-7whwpUk it is a YouTube, click on it and go to YouTube to watch it Rossi has done his demo now, the entire demo arrangement would fit into two standard suitcases, gauging, plastic buckets and all included. Rossi's need for IP secrecy has rendered his COP calculations somewhat time based reduced which is "debateable" but his friends calculate his one hour long demo cope for today at 550 COP and his most critical frienemies still come up with a 330 COP off the exact same input / output numbers. The critics/frenemies don't allow the cut on vs the cut off time distinction, so they come up with reduced numbers for the entire demo. 330 COP is still huge compared to previous e-cat variants, over a dozen times better ..... so just roll on past it, understanding this next statement very clearly. IF the demo had run for days and days, these COP numbers would have been ridiculously much higher (over a thousand) just realize that and roll on about all the minor measurement disagreements, etc. etc. He chain starts each of the three reactors in his demo pack (22.3 watts steady real output per reactor) off of wall socket power using a very short burst of 50 watts of warm up power, making up a very brief section/duration of start up power usage which he then replaced with a 9volt maintenance battery during the hour long run portion (a 9 volt Duracell to be exact) which then supplied reactor control power for the rest of the demo period. Cranking up E-Cat reactors is very similar to starting up a mercury vapor bulb or a fluorescent light tube, a momentary electrical buzz is about it, then the light comes on. Both sets of people factored in the initial start up power surge in their calculations, but they did it differently because of data calculation bias and the "intent differences" between the two groups. FACT: Rossi ignored the DC output portion (10% of his reactor's natural output is DC voltage at a mild current level) that could be put to work recharging a main storage battery that could then drive the whole system for restarts from that point forward in time for free. But trying to say he has an infinitely large COP (which would be true once the system was up and running on a recharging basis) would not help the skeptics accept the E-Cat X as real at this early point of things. Letting them see all the power draws unbuffered helps them to understand much much better at this early stage of things ...... DURATION: Rossi's 5 sigma testing over the last year was run at full power and he has verified over a year of full power usage on a single charge of powder. Rossi states that building in "extra capacity" (ie more powder per reactor and a few extra reactor counts per installation) that are part of every design he does is a good thing, and in some some proposed uses such as winter time cabin heaters in electric cars which would only use about a 10% duty cycle then a standard count reactor core set (with the standard amount of spare cores) would last on the order of 10 years which is the standard design life time of the electric car itself ...... ;) reactors are cheap, a few spare reactors per set up is simply good business Rossi had all his historical Tester Groups from all previous iterations all present at the demo (so he could thank and honor them) along with lots of nameless folk from various Scandinavian Universities and some potential Industrial Style heat and baking ovens mgfs and other large consumers of heat energy were present just to observe the demo set. These previous group people also were free to discuss all previous demos and were frank about what they could have done better about those old demos. Open and honest was the general theme about all the past stuff, which made the current "IP restrictions" that exist on the new stuff go down better with the critics. Rossi needs to park some one year trial sets out in the real world in some very secure sites that can keep all the busy fingers out of his proprietary initial installations ..... Rossi needs to produce a simple industrial heat generating product or three with completely tuned and finalized control systems and run it for a few years and build up a known track history of performance. ABB is now stated / confirmed as Rossi's automation and electronics controls pardner. Hydrofusion and Sifferkoll and the existing crew of E-Cat distributors in the various countries were all available on internet during the discussion period afterwards. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/24/17 at 20:36:42 I missed Microsoft, and Bitcoin, I don't wanna miss the ground floor on this. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/25/17 at 18:03:45 FACT: Rossi's controllers are "overbuilt" for the current demo use as they are intended to run a hundred to two hundred of his little reactors in larger, future set ups. It has been noted that his current production controller rig has enough cooling fins and fans to dissipate a cooling load that is roughly equivalent to the small heating load he is actually producing on his demo of two days ago. No one has any reason to believe he actually did anything vaguely like that, but the fact he has similar outputs possible and he does have some cooling fins and fans that are of the same order of magnitude ...... well, according to the skepto-critics he must be up to something. It does not matter that cooling fins don't make heat show up over there, and nothing in Rossi's set up looks like a heat pump in any fashion anyone can name. However, it is a black box set up, you don't really know what is inside that black box, it could have an "electronic heat pump" functionality much like an electronic ice chest does. This is the way of the Rossi skepto-critic ...... one skepto starts out with a simple observation and another skepto-critic chimes in that THIS MUST WHAT ROSSI IS UP TO NOW and then the entire skepto-critic peanut gallery starts howling in dismay over it as if it was fact. Never mind if it was heat pump action, the controller box cooling fins would be all covered with frost while the transfer junction plumbing is just short of boiling and somewhere on the other end of "the hidden wire" an electric meter is whirling frantically round and round and round. Then the skepto boys feed their BS to some British Tabloid news outlets that specialize in sensational skepto-slander work and weeee, we are off to the races all over again ..... Previous demos got criticized for "the hidden wire" that provided the resistance current that actually made the whole thing get hot, so this is the current skepto "hidden wire" that just has to be there, somehow. No one has ever found that hidden wire, ever ..... Rossi has also said this is his last demo of any kind that he will ever do, that all demo activity is counterproductive in that it saps his personal energy that would best be spent doing something useful. I would like to see a production demo of a room heater unit running about a hundred or so of Rossi's reactors for whole a steady year off a recording meter equipped 110 volt wall socket --- skepto THAT you skepto boys and girls. Heck, you can do it in my den, I volunteer my fireplace hearth as a nice safe location. =================================================== Rossi's demo included more information than he intended, mainly because the organizer/presenter, Matts Lewan, continued to show up close live oscilloscope and voltage meter data that was running while Rossi was inside his overlarge controller box twiddling with things, while turning off entire sections of "reactor feedback sensing" for example. It was not an accident that the demo unit only put out 1/3 of the heat it is capable of doing, it was blunted down to that level intentionally by Rossi. We now see the controller puts out a very high voltage interrupted DC at very very low amperage except during start up when it goes up from 0.2 amps up to "roughly" standard Quartz bulb pre-heat levels. Someone joked it reminded them of the output from a Tesla coil ..... Rossi has now received multiple offers of "non-disclosure" help from very good, very experienced EE people who are very good at this sort of industry. Rossi, being Rossi, will casually pick a brain or two but he will never admit he had any lacks in his current set up nor that he has any lacks educationally or experientially that stop him from fixing them. It becomes clearer that Rossi's device really isn't that hard to do, and that some of the "technical roadblocks" may remain in place simply because Rossi wants to hide behind them, using the roadblocks to confuse his copiers/trolls/potential competitors. I expect Rossi to catch a new wave of "you overly proud, greedy greedy capitalist old man" out on the internet because it is fairly clear now that the main impediment to more rapid progress is Rossi being Rossi (same old story all over again). =================================================== At Rossi's age and considering his slowly failing health he needs to license his tech over to ABB or Siemens AG and simply relax and retire, answering questions as needed. His energy and drive and capability has declined over the last 2 years to the point HE SIMPLY CANNOT BE A ONE MAN BAND ANY MORE. He is now the roadblock more than anything else. Another point that is becoming clearer and clearer is that if you leave Rossi in charge he will eventually go invent a brand new approach and totally drop the "up and working stuff" he has now on deck yet again (for the 3rd time no less) -- this will be a complete disruptor to his business partners and is one of several reasons Rossi never keeps a business partner for very long. The E-Cat X format was invented to overcome an issue of "runaway overheating to failure" but has become its own puzzlement for efficient controller design and is "an overly complex implementation" right now. Rossi needs to assemble a technical team out of his partners and begin assigning the work to be done to competent skilled people -- his first commercial implementation needs to be a stable output of moderate size and then a good industrial design and a good control design must be exactly fitted to that application. No gross over do, no gross inefficiency. Knowing exactly what load has to be controlled, and building a simple cheap "on - off" way of energizing that set of reactors. Using a plug in replacement element format, one that is very cost effective to build. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 12/01/17 at 07:32:37 http://e-catworld.com/2017/12/01/rossis-e-cat-and-big-oil-mason-ainsworth/ (You need to read this by clicking and going there, there is an entire history laid out of the progress of LENR over the last 10 years and shows how LENR has gained complete acceptance at the University Level in both of the large Nordic Peninsula Countries) STOCKHOLM DEMONSTRATION From the above, it is clear that Rossi has something real to share going into the demonstration. And his intent was to capitalize on the opportunity in pursuit of industrialization. He was focused upon signaling his intent. His choice of Stockholm is interesting and implies his wish to convey openness to a global audience and global opportunities. The demonstration was astounding. Rossi told the story and demonstrated his ability to control a plasma which generated a COP=500. Further, he had William S. Hurley, an expert in oil refineries and an associate of a Fortune 100 Big Oil corporation Andeavor Inc., sitting to his right, in the “forbidden zone” behind the table. As has been shared elsewhere, Andeavor is a corporation with about 1.2 Million barrels/day oil total refining production from multiple locations. William Hurley’s presence invites the question of how would Andeavor benefit from a LENR heat source with a COP=500? Estimates of annual costs saving have ranged between $1 and $4 Billion; estimates which, depending upon Andeavor’s strategic intent, could support debt of about $10 to $40 Billion, assuming a 10% cost of money, for various uses such as the ability to expand through price competition and/or purchase of other refinery assets. The big problem Rossi arguably faces is “what would trigger the question in the mind of a corporate board of directors: would we be negligent or incompetent if we avoided LENR as an opportunity to address the growing pressure to act?” Rossi’s choice of staging the presence of Big Oil raises questions on the challenges the oil industry faces, challenges facing these corporate board of directors. I won’t detail out formal responses to structures for analyzing competitive strategy that encompass: the threat of new entrants, the bargaining power of suppliers, the bargaining power of buyers, the threat of substitute products or services, the rivalry among existing competitors, and the formation of complementary coalitions or grouping of corporations. But, most of us are already aware of the changes impacting the global energy industry. Alt-energy sources such as solar have reached price parity with the least expensive forms of existing energy sources and are now moving towards a growing price advantage. There is an increasing probability expressed in the MSM for electric vehicles to dominate new vehicle sales in less than 10 years. The transition away from oil is an accepted though contested fact. The question is “When?” given there is a growing probability for global flat demand in 10 years or less and a growing probability for declining demand quickly after onset of this global flat demand. All of this suggesting that in 30-40 years oil demand will be driven primarily as chemical feedstock rather than as a source of energy. OPINION/CONCLUSION If the “Tipping Point” reflects a rebalancing of existing forces, then Rossi’s QuarkX’s evolution of a COP=80 to COP=500 materially changes the economic pressure supporting the implementation of LENR. Rossi’s work with a representative of Big Oil integrates the simple unacknowledged fact that Big Oil is now planning, organizing, and acting in recognition of a foreseeable downsizing of global demand. A fact that nurtures the competitive mindset which is open to “creative destruction”; a mindset open to protecting the US oil industry at the expense of competitors, whether corporations or nations; a mindset that says “I’m going to eat your lunch and my lunch, before you can eat my lunch!” Further, Rossi has the implicit threat of COP=22,000 for those holding positions of authority who act on the belief of protecting/managing the Status Quo, pushing them to accept a starting point for the integration of a new source of energy into the existing structure, guiding them to deal with the “small” rather than the “large” destabilizing force. By design or intuition or simple luck, Rossi is forcing those industries and/or investors which care to put up or shut up for the simple reason: a COP=500 enables market place domination. Will Rossi succeed? I want to believe so. Will his partner be with Big Oil? I don’t have an opinion either way aside from Hurley’s presence. At 1.2 Million barrels/day oil total refining production from multiple locations. William Hurley’s presence invites the question of how would Andeavor benefit from a LENR heat source with a COP=500? Estimates of annual costs saving have ranged between $1 and $4 Billion; estimates which, depending upon Andeavor’s strategic intent, this return could support taking on short term debt of about $10 to $40 Billion, assuming a 10% cost of money, for various uses such as the ability to expand through price competition and/or purchase of other refinery assets. OPINION/CONCLUSION If the “Tipping Point” reflects a rebalancing of existing forces, then Rossi’s QuarkX’s evolution of a COP=80 to COP=500 materially changes the economic pressure supporting the implementation of LENR. Rossi’s demo with a representative of Big Oil sitting behind the table as the Measurement Expert integrates the simple unacknowledged fact that Big Oil is now planning, organizing, and acting in recognition of a foreseeable downsizing of global demand. A fact that nurtures the competitive mindset which is open to “creative destruction”; a mindset open to protecting the US oil industry at the expense of competitors, whether corporations or nations; a mindset that says “I’m going to eat your lunch and my lunch, before you can eat my lunch!” Further, Rossi has the implicit threat of COP=22,000 for those holding positions of authority who act on the belief of protecting/managing the Status Quo, pushing them to accept a starting point for the integration of a new source of energy into the existing structure, guiding them to deal with the “small” rather than the “large” destabilizing force. By design or intuition or simple luck, Rossi is forcing those industries and/or investors which care to put up or shut up for the simple reason: a COP=500 enables market place domination. Will Rossi succeed? I want to believe so. Will his partner be with Big Oil? I don’t have an opinion either way aside from Hurley’s presence. As always, we will slowly learn more and more about "the players behind the table" and their significance. Norway has some serious native Big Oil, the North Sea drilling platform type Big Oil. Petroleum is Norway Export item #1 so they are very interested in anything that might threaten that revenue stream, or could make it even more profitable. As such, having a Big Oil Measurement Expert sitting behind the table, one who actually works for Big Oil, was very very interesting to me as oil refineries use a whole lot of heat energy to crack and then vapor/sort process all that oil into the various grades of petrol products. Rather than burn their own profit margin (oil) to heat their refinery frac towers, using the E-catX at COP of 500 plus instead of oil would save their refineries a ton of money ..... Plus, the ones with enough cash to bring on the revolution won't be the ones put in a pinch over it after it is over. =================================================== Rossi historically "likes" a replicator named Me356 and has given him enough hints privately to boost him along in his way. Some theorize that Me356 is in fact functioning as a Rossi sock puppet, who merely independently confirms each of Rossi's general big talking points independently as he goes along. Me356 in turn keeps Rossi's main secrets secret under NDA (and continues to do so). So, please trust that if this was leaked, it was leaked at Rossi's request and it furthers some Rossi plan or another ...... Yes, it does show Me356 has a home-grown working E-Cat X module that can be turned on-off and turned up/down at will. This serves to get the replicator crowd all fired up again, and along with the detailed information shown in the demo will have 3-4 of them doing this E-Cat X stuff at this level soon enough ..... http://e-catworld.com/2017/12/01/mystery-video-me356-test/ |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 12/06/17 at 23:26:52 Quick update The E-Cat World peanut gallery contains a lot of hit and run skepto-paths who are now arguing every single point anyone makes about pursuing Rossi based LENR. Every path is wrong to them and gets derided loudly. I wouldn't read this stream of garbage willingly and I won't suggest that you guys do so either until Frank gets his list troll issues purged to a higher degree. The trolls are getting list feedback from old established members about being "broken records" in their nasty comments. However, the trolls have no place to go since a lot of the other lists have given up and gone under lately -- having become troll havens in essence and then being shut down by their owners. Some new rules for posting are going up, which gives the list owner a pathway to remove some of the more toxic people (if needed). Rossi is back in Florida, working in his lab to refine his control system for a smaller discrete low load device (say a room heater as an example just pulled out of the air by me). "His team" is working in Scandinavia on his first commercial implementation which apparently needs that big control box (which gives you an idea of the size of commercial implementations being considered). Rossi is now taking a path trying to recover the waste heat from his controller by using a cool input coolant flow from his heat output system, which means electrical dumping losses from his controller actually become part of his heat output. Another way to say this is that his controller needs liquid cooling to survive as it gets bigger and bigger ...... This also means the electrical feedback spikes from the reactor must be dumped in the controller somehow as heat. For the longest time Rossi has said 10% of the E-Cat X output was electrical in nature and lo and behold we see him dumping about that much heat inside his overbuild fin and fan equipped controller box. Larger commercial implementations could perhaps try to use this reverse spike power somehow, but folks seeing the thing run recognize that it turns on and off within a 4-6 second cycle span and the snap they hear on shun off is likely a reverse electrical power spike that must be used somehow or or else dumped in the controller box as heat. This also sorta means the 'Cat would likely burn itself up if it ran for more than 6 seconds without controller intervention. So, how well the controller runs becomes the real 5 sigma test results with total reactor failure by internal melt down being the failure mode that will eventually be seen when a controller failure happens. If any of this is real, folks begin to see why Rossi is hiding this sort of information from all his supporters and from his potential investors again. They also see why he is running his reactors way way down at the 30% output power level right now. He is not really ready for a commercial roll out but he is working on a roll out anyway, looking for ways to customize his stuff for just that one use so he can learn some more "experientially" about his challenges. This is what happened in Doral, and it took a half a year for Ross's partners to realize it wasn't going to pan out for them as a general thing. If any of this is right, he is likely building himself another Doral experience which will likely have the same results. To avoid this, Rossi needs to assemble a team that is REALLY REALLY GOOD with electrical engineering and has a lot of experience buffering energy spikes. EMP pulse guys come to mind, since they deal with shunting off really big energy spikes as their main function in life. ;) |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 12/11/17 at 08:15:35 On Dec. 9th Rossi held a symposium in Sweden, paralleling his thing that took place in Norway right after Thanksgiving. Once again, there was a table full of people behind the podium table, some new different folks coming from a different country, naturally. Here is the gist of what Rossi revealed in front of his business partners (ABB specifically was sitting right next to him) .... The following are selected quotes by Andrea Rossi from the webcast with the Energy 2.0 Society on December 9th, 2017 Now after the Stockholm demonstration, we go to the next step. The next step will be the presentation of the product. We will try, and I think we can arrive to a massive production, at least for the industrial line of products within 2018, and so in this moment we are working very hard to make the factory and the lines necessary to make a massive production. And what about the future? The future is in the hands of God, but what we hope is that this technology will have an exponential to give to the society all its potential. To put the product out as soon as possible, we are working on it, and I think that if we will be able to respect the scheduling I said, that would be a miracle, because to make a massive industrialization of a product in this time frame is more unique than rare. The presentation of the product will be public. It will be the launch of the product. For now we prefer not to license, but to develop the industrialization worldwide, and eventually, as I said before, give licenses for the utilization of the technology in specific fields. For example, a company that makes cars can be interested to be licensed to use this technology, to make something useful for cars that they know better than anybody else. This will obviously happen once the product will be out. So in this moment we are not looking for licensees, we are looking for industrial expansion, and we have made in Stockholm a very important agreement in this sense, that I think will bring to a fast development of the product, and eventually to the company go public. What does Rossi mean by product? His reactors and his control systems are his only product right now. ABB will crank up the automated assembly lines and will make a stream of product to go out into initial experimental industrial implementations all over the world, pending Leonardo granting use licenses for particular defined applications to businesses world-wide. Then comes the IPO and the formation of the formal LLC and Rossi then steps back and concentrates on getting rich and being the head of R&D. When the IPO takes place that signals "ground floor", you should drop some coins into the plate right about then as it goes by. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/11/17 at 12:55:28 the IPO takes place that signals "ground floor", you should drop some coins into the plate right about then as it goes by. I will drop my pennies in . Let us know when. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 01/11/18 at 05:27:54 http://e-catworld.com/2018/01/11/japan-takes-the-lead-in-sponsoring-a-national-lenr-research-program/ Japan Takes the Lead in Establishing a National LENR Research Program It appears that Japan is now taking LENR very seriously and has taken the lead in establishing a national research program. Japan has a strong track record in technological development, and the fact that are already in the planning stages for LENR industrialization and commercialization could be a very significant development in the field. No doubt other countries and organizations will begin to take notice, spurring competition and further research. The term LENR is going to have to change as the Japanese will not have anything to do with the N word at all, ever again. But they are pursuing it, as Japan needs energy and it gives them energy at no risk of another fused polluting plant site. Good news, finished goods will come into the USA with full UL approval as non-nuclear perfectly safe goods. We all owe thanks to Rossi for never giving up, but he has lost his window now and we will get the first sets of actual goods from Japanese companies. The Japanese methods are far enough different and they have their own patents that are 8-10 years old. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 01/19/18 at 20:00:26 http://e-catworld.com/2018/01/19/rossis-e-cat-production-plans/ As things stand right now, based on information that Rossi has provided, this is a summary of what we have learned. It appears that the industrialization of the E-Cat QX will consist of the manufacture of independent units comprising of 100 individual E-Cat reactors electronically connected in parallel, all driven by a single control unit, and each group of one hundred unit will be rated at around 4kW. This means that each individual E-Cat reactor is rated at around 40W. Rossi has said that when he presents the industrial product (he hopes it will be this year) he will be showing one of these ~4kW units in action. Rossi has not stated what the COP of this unit will be, and won’t disclose that until they are publicly presented. A 4kW unit could in the future be used for a small domestic heating device, but safety certification has not yet been obtained to use this product for domestic purposes, and so Rossi is concentrating first on plants for industrial purposes. Rossi has said that these ~4kW units can be combined to make industrial E-Cat plants of whatever power rating is desired. A 1MW E-Cat plant will therefore require the combination of 250 of these units, each with its own control system. He has said, however the the control systems will be contained in a single box “much smaller that 250 x the box you saw in the Stockholm event at the IVA”. Apparently not only has the overheating problem that Rossi described in Stockholm been solved, but also the control system has been substantially reduced in size. That is about the extent of what Rossi has reported thus far in terms of production plans. So far he has not stated that one of these units has been created by means of robotics, but that is his goal. Only when robotic production is underway will he make the public presentation. This summary tells us that things are moving fairly rapidly now that a real industrial manufacturing powerhouse called ABB is in charge of commercializing the ideas and Rossi is no longer the "one man show" progress limitation he once was. Next, it lines out the implementation plan fairly precisely. For maximum profit participation, you should invest some money in ABB now to catch a generic first bump due to LENR as you can't invest in Leonardo just yet as it isn't a publicly traded stock (no IPO has been done yet). A rational investor would want to see a total life testing of the device, both to prove out that functional life span and see if any radiation or any other problems take place as the device ends its service life. This is your early investment advisory. Next stage will be "This is the extent of what Rossi has reported thus far in terms of production plans. Only when robotic production is underway will he make the public presentation." This public presentation will constitute the start of the main IPO investment wave, and you would want to perhaps have some early pennies invested before this happens. Personal risk is very high at this ground floor stage as "Rossi Says" is the only source of information that we have as ABB really knows how to keep its mouth shut compared to Rossi's prior partners. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/19/18 at 20:04:14 independent units comprising of 100 individual E-Cat reactors electronically connected in parallel, all driven by a single control unit, and each unit will be rated at around 4kW. This means that each individual E-Cat reactor is rated at around 40W. Doesn't sound too promising.. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 01/19/18 at 20:21:32 Justin, this first unit is simply too large for my room heater for my den, it has no residential certifications, it is "unproven tech" that is seeking a first wave of installed units in commercial heating areas. It is right sized for all the gas zone heaters you see hanging from the high ceiling rafters at Walmart and Sams and right sized for every commercial baking line and drying line in industry. It is right sized for every apartment building and commercial building both for zone based retrofit baseboard radiator heat and general hot water heating. It is right sized for a home hydronics heater as a drop in unit (Yo Dave, you paying attention here?). Do not underestimate the first wave sell in if the cost of heat provided is 20 times lower than what natural gas costs now. We need to see costs and realities of first implementations before there is any comfort zone in the investing, but the whole trick of ground floor investing is to get in on the ground floor early and that means being willing to act before everything is lined out and known. Sadly, Rossi simply has a very poor track record for early investors and NO I wouldn't stick my own money in until ABB is making units by the thousands and they are selling in like hotcakes. Also be aware that Rossi has Japanese competitors that will be moving in quickly and the South Koreans and the Chinese will be stealing the tech (or have already done so since it is now out where Industrial Espionage can get to it). ::) Also, remember generators 1-4 at the original Niagara Falls Power Station -- how each one was a generation better than the one built before, but they were built as fast as could actually be done back in the day. There is an ongoing refinement at the start of a new tech that is quite dramatic --- reminds me of Moore's Law in computers, it does. Rossi tech will do a room heater eventually, and Rossi tech will create a change wave in industry and home utilities too when they become approved for consumer use. This is no guarantee that Rossi Co. will be the one making or selling the various levels of innovation that will be taking place. Tesla and Westinghouse did not hold on to their early monopoly either. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/20/18 at 00:49:29 I was thinking the math is wrong. Typo.. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 02/09/18 at 19:54:45 Just a brief update. Rossi has an assembly plant site in Sweden now, he has a combined "different specialties" team assigned from ABB personnel and he now has a near finalized design that is undergoing Industrial Design and Production Tooling review for both the reactor sets and for the controller. Rossi's base design is supposedly for a drop in "easy replace" ceramic board of 100 reactor cells, these sturdy heat durable ceramic boards can be stacked up to whatever you want in overall output. The controller for the 100 unit card is a simple single computer board suitable for racking. Water (or other transfer fluid) cooling for the individual controller board is built into the controller system so it no longer overheats. The first offerings will be half a megawatt and one megawatt in size and aimed only at steady output levels with ON/OFF temperature control only. Constant Variable heat is possible but is an added cost frill at this point in time as you can do the on/off as short as every 6 seconds with the current controller system design to achieve very similar heat control levels. Your current furnace on/offs at a 5 minute fastest possible cycle time, which is good enough as we all know. Real production robotics lines for engineering samples are being worked up for these products as we speak. Many many sample sets will be sold to industry and to Academia as people try to get a functional grasp on the underlying technology before adapting it to their products. Rossi still is hopeful for the first industrial product sample shipments to fly later on this year with the Grand Public Reveal to be held back until real order quantities of samples can be filled. ABB is in charge at this stage and Rossi is getting somewhat sidelined into a Cheerleader position, but that is OK as he isn't in charge of the detailed work any more, multiple ABB employees are. Rossi is no longer a significant slow up or obstacle in other words. The first "samples" production line will be built in Sweden and once this line is proven out it will be duplicated and shipped to America. Timeline for this is 2019-2020 but first sample units off the original Swedish line will be available for shipment by the end of the year supposedly. Now is the time to start putting some spare investment change into ABB. Your downside risk is that it is all "Rossi's imagination" and I think there are way too many eyes on it for that to be too much of a real risk at this time. Risk of it being not real is way less than 50% in other words. Risk of it hitting an "approvals" problem or a pricing or production snag makes up the majority of the risk but since ABB is involved in doing it the odds of this screwing things up is lower and lower. Only risk the small amounts of money that you can stand to lose completely. I expect some sort of sabotage event early on as various vested interests stand to lose a huge amount of existing capital investment that will go obsolete overnight unless E-Cat is delayed or stopped. Example: fossil fuels, fission and big fusion research will all take tremendous hits if this takes off without incident. Rossi is just a sick old man who is simply trying to get this done before he goes. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Serowbot on 02/10/18 at 07:57:33 Longest con ever.... When Rossi dies, it will become the saving grace that never happened. Conspiracies abound... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 02/10/18 at 08:11:16 "Getting it done" means shipping enough samples out to industry and academia that the breakthrough is recognized publically and cannot be rolled back by establishment pressure. Getting the Chinese and others to steal the "first generation" technology and then to bootleg it widely accomplishes the same end. Then Rossi can drop the second generation on us with all its improvements and cost reductions. Rossi "being in a foot race with competitors and rip offs" simply means everybody works faster and harder and E-Cat tech gets out there quicker from a variety of sources (very hard to stymie it and block it with regulations when the bootleggers start to sell copies of it in their own home nations before Swedish UL can even finish testing it). |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 02/15/18 at 08:54:28 http://e-catworld.com/2018/02/15/rossi-progressing-at-exponential-speed-these-days/ Rossi: “Progressing at Exponential Speed These Days” Posted on February 15, 2018 • 3 Comments Five days ago Andrea Rossi was asked on the Journal of Nuclear Physics what chances he gave for getting the industrial E-Cats on the market in 2018, and his reply was “70 %”. Just yesterday when asked the same question he stated: “Today I think between 80 and 90%.” I asked him what had changed his level of confidence and he replied: Andrea Rossi February 15, 2018 at 8:02 AM Frank Acland: I am progressing at an exponential speed in these days, because issues that needed months to be resolved a couple of months ago now need less time. I give you a model from Dan Brown: to pass from the discovery of fire to the invention of wheel has taken millions years, but to pass from the invention of the wheel to the invention of an internal combustion engine it has taken thousands of years, and so on. Obviously I can be wrong and find some unforeseen obstacle, by I am optimist: if you are not an optimist guy, you cannot be either an inventor or an enterpreneur, while I am both. Warm Regards, A.R. It does sound like the really hard work of inventing, testing and all the other R&D necessary for building an acceptable prototype (for the first product) has been accomplished, and now the focus is on getting ready for production. Also, Rossi wrote this yesterday when asked where he expected the presentation of the first industrial E-Cat product would take place: Andrea Rossi February 14, 2018 at 7:17 PM Lindsey: As things have developed now, I think the first presentation of the product will be made in the USA. Warm Regards, A.R. It appears that the ABB personnel are making tremendous strides fixing the issues with Rossi's electronic modules and with refining the manufacturability of the flat honeycombs that will be composed of the individual 40 watt Rossi cells. It is now clear that Rossi had systematically understated EVERYTHING at his public demo, basically so as to not give out any data to his competitors and to make sure there were no bobbles in his public debut. Expect to see the ABB automated manufactured first samples shown in the USA this year to still remain understated in some fashions, but to show more progress both in output and lowered cost to manufacture as those are the things that Rossi needs to show to completely derail his competitors as they seek their own capital financing. Also expect that the first full year of improvements to be "in the can" and to be undergoing acceptance testing when the very first version is released. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 02/28/18 at 04:19:49 Frank Acland February 26, 2018 at 11:25 AM Dear Andrea, So is the larger E-Cat QX prototype you are testing: 1) Part of ongoing R&D? 2) A possible next-generation industrial product? 3) A possible next-generation domestic product? 4) Will its testing be long-term, as with the Sigma 5 testing you did last year? Thank you if you are able to answer, Frank Acland Andrea Rossi February 26, 2018 at 12:03 PM Frank Acland: 1- yes 2- yes 3- yes 4- yes Warm Regards, A.R. Frank AclandFebruary 26, 2018 at 7:26 AM Dear Andrea,From what you have commented regarding testing a higher power E-Cat QX, does this mean you will be abandoning the plans for the smaller reactors, thus requiring you to restart your designing of a commercial plants, and losing time?Best wishes, Andrea RossiFebruary 26, 2018 at 7:56 AMFrank Acland: No OK, lets look back in time to the "shipping containers period" of time ...... Rossi would only talk about a full container, but he had the half container under development and when the test started it was with the much more powerful new reactors in the half container. And he didn't have to run all of them continuously to make rate either. This pattern of concealment has been consistent throughout this whole thing -- Rossi keeps his current development work completely secret. He only exposes the old stuff that he does not really care if it gets stolen. Remember, he develops new stuff at the rate of one new generation a year, roughly. Now he is acting all excited over a new E-Cat X cell that is at least twice as big as the current 40-60 watt cell. This is back up in the ~ 100 watts ~ range of size that he had the original "run away overheating" issues with that caused him to downsize the things drastically before just so he could keep them running without melting them down at hot spots internally. Point being that Rossi always tests his largest most modern stable units in a long production run time frame Sigma test. And then he has a set of new ones you don't know about on deck for testing by the time the ones you do know about are about halfway finished with their test. Expect the cell size to increase and increase again and the duration life span of the charge to double and double again. ABB is contributing ample amounts of good quality engineering resources and Rossi sees his progress as being "exponentially faster" now. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 03/03/18 at 23:14:15 http://e-catworld.com/2018/03/01/rossi-higher-power-e-cat-reactor-being-tested-qx-still-to-be-first-product/ Rossi: Higher Power E-Cat Reactor being Tested — QX Still to be First Product (Update #2: Prototype group set is 100 kW) A prototype of the new large reactor has apparently been built, and Rossi has said that it must go through the same type of Sigma 5 testing that the E-Cat QX went through — which lasted about a year. So if Rossi does get a product under production this year, it will be E-Cat QX-based. Rossi has always said that E-Cat R&D will never end. I would guess that it will be on the R&D side of things where Rossi will expend most of his efforts, as he most likely will be letting robotics experts and engineers deal with the production of the finished products, which Rossi has less experience with. So, individual reactor cells are 80 watts, the first "full sized" matched up of controller and honeycombed reactor cell industrial units are coming in at a very marketable 100 kw. 100 kw is a lot of heat in a relatively small package. 100 kw can heat a moderate sized commercial building, run most baking and dryer lines in commercial space, run a low volume desalinization plant or power a steam car. This is the 5 sigma test unit. =================================================== Early results have ABB moving forward on 80 watt single cell based units (4x more output than originally planned) as the smallest unit and a new larger 100 watt single cell based unit as the current heavy duty cell unit. Difference is mainly the size, the amount of powder contained inside each type of cell and the resulting increased duration of that charge. Obviously, the higher capacity yet more durable cell is preferred for industrial applications. Likely the second (larger, more durable cell) will be the one that goes forward into large scale production. Since ABB got directly involved with the E-Cat industrial and electrical design, Rossi's E-Cats have at least quadrupled in heat output and have at least tripled in duration. It is expected, quietly, that the larger unit may be able to at least do double the heat output compared to the existing design but may drop some in durability while being run at the higher output rates. Also, for the first time advances in the electronic controller has been fingered as the cause of the output shifts, with the reactor design being basically the same between the generations. Go ABB, go ..... ;) =================================================== ABB has implemented a "anti-tamper" system into the controller electronics that will result in electrical scrambling of the controller and a failure in the individual cells should someone go tampering with the system. This means all Rossi's talk of requiring his technicians to come on your site to do all routine maintenance has gone by the board now -- you can buy plug in components and do yearly the replacement with your own people. You will need to take great care not to "tamper" with anything though as your system will shut itself down if tampered with and the replacement cost and downtime costs of any "self destroyed" replacement components in that case is all yours to bear. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 05/10/18 at 18:42:27 OK, Rossi and company are now putting assembly lines into their proposed plant building, with the lines being built from stock ABB robotic components and being assembled in Florida. The plant is going together quickly, and is about half finished. Rossi is building 100 watt singles to start, 13 of them (3 held in reserve for a durability factor) go into a single en-block 1 kilowatt enclosure complete with an electronics control package. I kilowatt rack units are what is being produced, with higher capacity plants 1 megawatt plants to be put together using multiple 1 kilowatt enclosures sharing common plumbing. Units will be sold late this year or early of next year. This is manufacturing Stage 1, with the units already pre-approved with all testing being completed. Within 2 years the second generation will have completed all approvals and testing (year long testing has started but is being held in complete secrecy by ABB). Ross has leaked the size of the new individual cells, 100 watts and 1000 watts so these are the medium and large cells discussed earlier this year. There is a question about the 100 watt cell really being a slightly enlarged re-spec'd 80 watt cell. ABB has designed the enclosures for Gen 1, 2 and 3 to fit the same mounts and size envelopes, and since the electronics are part of the enclosure itself upgrading between generations should be very easy. Plug it in, bolt it down and hook up the plumbing fittings. Expect a new generation every year to two years as more is known about how the stuff actually works. If you want to buy something, go buy some ABB stock. Rossi still isn't selling anything. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by jcstokes on 05/12/18 at 12:22:26 This ABB, is that the Sewdish Asea Brown Boveri,? or however it's spelt. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 05/12/18 at 15:35:28 https://www.youtube.com/user/ABBRobotics yup, its a YouTube to show you the advanced small teachable two armed robot Rossi is using for direct process manipulation learning during development --- and a lot of single station pick and place robot arms for simpler tasks once a line flow is established. All of these machines can be "trained", not programmed when modifications to processes are needed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABB_Group gives you the direct answer to your question. Yes, you are correct. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 05/13/18 at 12:15:49 Ross has leaked the size of the new individual single cells, 100 watts and 1000 watts so these are the medium and large cells discussed earlier this year. There is a question about the 100 watt cell really being a slightly enlarged re-spec'd 80 watt cell. Grilling Rossi has confirmed a slight up shift in the specs of the 80 watt cell is what makes the 100 watt cell. It contains more actual powder (a tighter fill) and because of changes in excitement programming it runs much longer SSD (self-sustain periods) which reach higher temperatures before peaking and declining into the next excite cycle. (cycle used to be 6 seconds between excites --- is now "much longer") Net effect is a higher rated cell output (100 watts) and a longer duration life span for the actual powder charge. COP is higher, as less excite time is being used. Only 10 of these single cells are required to make up a 1 kilowatt reactor rack set, but Rossi may well stick with the current rack set design for 13 single cells inside the box simply to have extra drop in cells available to forestall any service life curtailments and to give a yet longer overall service life to the initial 1 kilowatt reactor rack set. Like the 20 watt and the 40 watt variants before them, the 80 watt cell design will now never be produced, now only the new and improved 100 watt version that is also undergoing new 5 sigma testing will actually be sold as the smallest unit. This is the current plan. What Rossi is showing us now is the early progress curve of a brand new tech, like electricity the constant improvements made early on that make it "better and better all the time". 5 sigma testing --- what is being stress tested is actually the new controller electronics and the new programming, the cells themselves are relatively unchanged apart from very minor tweeks and the general cell and rack set design has passed multiple 5 sigma runs at the different output levels already. Rossi is always being technically CONSERVATIVE -- what he states and sells will always be less than he can really do --- he is increasing his margin for error for items lying outside his proper control. Rossi is not leaking very much info about his larger 1000 watt single cell that is also undergoing 5 sigma testing, it is obviously a larger animal aimed at much larger commercial installations, perhaps intended for a single module plug in replacement system that is to be done by a commercial maintenance person -- each module would contain say 2-5 cells that would all get scrambled in case of any tampering. ;) |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 05/15/18 at 14:03:19 http://e-catworld.com/2018/05/14/rossi-ready-to-start-accepting-orders-for-1mw-plants/ Oh Serowbot, you old Doubting Thomas, you ....... Rossi Ready to Start Accepting Orders For 1MW Plants Posted on May 14, 2018 • 20 Comments For people wanting to get to the head of the queue for ordering E-Cat Plants when they are ready, Andrea Rossi signaled today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics that he is ready to start entering in to customer agreements to do so. Tom May 14, 2018 at 8:54 AM Dr Andrea Rossi: Are you ready to accept orders for the industrial plants? If yes, how is possible to start a deal? Thank you if you can answer, Tom Andrea Rossi May 14, 2018 at 1:30 PM Tom: Yes, we are open now to begin to examine requests for 1 thermal MW plants, but only from industries that use directly the heat for their production process in their factories. For this utilization we have the necessary certifications and our industrialization is scheduled to start at the end of the year. Therefore the answer is YES, but the Customers must be aware of the fact that the delivery terms could be modified. The contracts will take in consideration this fact. Warm Regards, A.R. A few things of note here: The output is 1 thermal MW, so it seems like that will be the minimum size. Rossi says that they will ‘examine requests’, so he might be selective about who gets the plants. It looks like to be considered you have to be a legitimate industrial customer who will use the heat in the production process — this is what the plants are certified for. The industrialization is ‘scheduled’ to start at the end of 2018, but that is not guaranteed at this point. There’s no mention of price, guaranteed COP or temperature range. There’s nothing yet on the ecat.com website yet, which is still showing data about the first generation plant, which is the low temperature model which was operated during the 1 year Doral test, but which hasn’t been on the market. You can bet that Rossi will vet these first customers most carefully, both for secure locations and for "Honoring the Non-Disclosure Agreement" and PR history type reasons. However, Rossi may also entertain sending a "don't go inside it" unit off to some significant and impressive (impartial) 3rd party test house to run it long term just for gaining some publicity about outside verification. Rest assured that Rossi will only be selling the heat on these first few units, that he will retain ALL RIGHTS to hardware and software, period, with significant wording to the effect that that if the unit is "tampered with" all the resulting damages to HIS hardware/software will be paid out by the customer. But, if Rossi really can provide heat energy at 1/10th of the net cost of natural gas, he will likely find some ready takers even to these restrictive terms. ==================================================== Rossi's announcement that he is vetting his first customers has shaken 3 other innovators out of their secrecy shield, with a chorus of "We are going to start taking pre-orders, too". Now everything depends on the first gen product being totally ready. Tesla and Westinghouse totally reconfigured the Original Generators at Niagara Falls three times in 10 years, lining up the generations as Station 1, 2, 3 just as fast as they could build them and in this new Rossi tech we see the same effects happening as the base tech is improving at least that rapidly as they figure out more and more of what they are doing. Rossi and his backers feel that the small 100 watt reactor is going to be the guts of many many many appliance sized items and as such it needs to move on down the bulk industrialization approvals pathways (the only pathway to reality it has). It needs years worth of totally safe run time in real applications before it can get into any single use home type applications inside your house. The larger SK reactor (1,000 watts each) will take over much of the commercial market as soon as it becomes proven out, produced and sold. This one will heat/cool your home and generate your power -- houses out away from power grids will become something for the masses at that point in time. Solar is real, but requires too much collector room to be a individual's total access electrical power supply. Tesla's power wall and his parked car used as a storage unit for generated electricity will also play in Rossi's roll out as it allows Rossi to sell in smaller "right sized" units instead of full capacity units (overkill). You gotta heat your water and you gotta heat/cool your house. Rossi fits there the best if he lives up to his early claims for low low low yearly cost. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 05/17/18 at 10:42:37 Rossi has broached several commercialization methods to help American Industry to move away from polluting, expensive Fossil Fuels -- this track is the lowest cost, lowest risk track suitable for a dubious customer as it required no up front money from him but it requires a 5 year commitment from the customer to utilize and pay for a Megawatt of Steam Heat continuously and uninterrupted for 5 years. The cost is much lower than what the customer is currently paying, and it allows the customer to verify E-Cat's function and suitability at his own facility on his own production process needs while saving money for the customer. This approach absolutely removes the "fear of obsolescence" which in this rapidly developing technology MUST be of real concern to any reasonable early adopter. Since Rossi is accepting all the failure risks and obsolescence risks for the smaller 100 watt reactors, he must be very sure that he has a rock solid system that is really suitable for a 5 year run. Upgrading at the end of a lease to the new "latest and greatest" would be a natural part of this sort of system. And face it, 5 years worth of "settling in" will surely allow LENR reach some sort of a plateau in development and theoretical knowledge. Or not, as the case may be. Leonardo to Begin Commercialization by Selling Heat, not E-Cat Plants: Q & A With Andrea Rossi Posted on May 17, 2018 • 5 Comments Below is a Q & A exchange conducted today via email with Andrea Rossi seeking clarifications on his plans for the commercial roll-out of industrial E-Cats. 1. Can you explain why you have decided now to announce that you are taking orders for the industrial E-Cat plants? Because if we make plants we need clients. 2. You have been developing industrial E-Cat products for many years now. However, first generation E-Cat plants, like the one you operated during the 1-year test in Doral, never went into mass production. What is different with the current generation of E-Cat? The former Ecats were not ready to be operated from clients. 3. For someone hearing about the E-Cat for the first time, and interested as a possible customer, what information would you like to tell them about your product? The Customer has just to know how much energy we deliver, in which form and at what price, plus the information that will be contained in the safety instructions. We will make the installation. 4. What size (in power rating) plants are you taking orders for? 1 MW 5. How much physical space would a 1 MW E-Cat plant occupy? 15[ch8242] x 9[ch8242] x 9[ch8242] 6. If someone orders a plant today when can they expect to be able to receive it? End 2018/2019 first quarter 7. Comparing an E-Cat plant to a typical natural gas heating system of the same power rating, about how much cheaper would it be to operate over one year? Enough 8. You have mentioned recently for example that industrial plants could be installed in facilities like factories, hospitals and greenhouses which need heat. What would be your definition of an industrial application for an E-Cat? An application wherein the heat is used by an industry for any purpose 9. What would be the approximate cost of a 1MW plant if it were ordered today? We will sell heat, not plants 10. Is your business model now to only sell heat, or will you sell plants to customers in the future? It will depend on the evolution of the situation 11. At the factories where you sell heat, will Leonardo personnel operate the plants, or will employees of the local company operate them? The plant will be operated in remote from our headquarter, through the cloud with dedicated servers. The Client will not have any operations to do inside the plant. 12. When a customer makes an agreement with Leonardo, are they agreeing to pay just a monthly energy bill, or are there other up-front costs involves (such as installation fees)? This will depend on the agreement 13. What is the minimum length of time for a contract duration? 5 years 14. What is the guaranteed minimum COP of an E-Cat plant? Enough 15. What is the maximum temperature or steam that an E-Cat plant can produce? 600 C 16. Who will install E-Cat plants for customers? Leonardo Corporation 17. How will training on how to operate an E-Cat plant be done? The expert responsible for safety of the Client will make a course on site 18. Like with any product, a typical customer will more than likely want to see a demonstration of an E-Cat plant before making a decision to purchase. When will you show your new product, and demonstrate it in operation? When one will be in operation As soon as Industry accepts the E-Cat as both real and trustworthy, other deals may be offered. This one has one key good point for Rossi, for the first 5 year period it helps Rossi keep his thumb firmly on his invention. This will be necessary as the furor over this new tech will be extreme, and by buffering it in for 5 years in a somewhat limited fashion Rossi is allowing the Fossil Fuel Industry time to react and giving Industry in general time convert over to Rossi tech ..... =================================================== some clarifications Andrea Rossi May 17, 2018 at 1:23 PM JPR: As a matter of fact all the industrial secrets related to the control system will not be in the plant, but in our control headquarter; what will be found in the plant is already described in the patent, that for obvious reasons has been published in all the 57 Countries that have granted it. It will be like to steal the secrets of AT&T looking at the telephone set on the table of the sitting room. This will make us waste no time with fake-clients-real-spies, because at this point we will be contacted only by Customers that really want only to save money, when buying energy, not giving a darn about how it can happen. It should also speed up our penetration, because the Client has no risks, makes no investments, if he gets energy with a profit he pays, otherwise he does not pay and we get back the plant. In case of malfunction the Client can use his traditional system as a back up and all the risks are upon us. Warm Regards, A.R. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 05/27/18 at 15:07:51 https://youtu.be/BHxHtjP3ddQ a thick and chewy summarization of over a dozen LENR experimenters Bob Greenyer is summarizing Parkhomov, the Lyon guys and the Ecco guys and a dozen others by putting predictive spreadsheet reaction tables together that predict what would likely assemble into what, assembling naturally during a natural series of up to dozens and hundreds of understood LENR energy producing reactions. Over 1,000 stages have been identified, stepping atoms up by tiny stages while only throwing non-ionizing output radiations and making no particles that can ever leave an electrical/magnetic containment field. (yes, LENR takes place in nature --- this is becoming recognized more and more and more) And yes, that is indeed what the boys are seeing in the higher energy reactors, things are combining in simple pairs and then re-pairing again and again into other combinations, busting open and settling back in various steps finally settling into a more stable set of heavier output elements. Knowing what eventually becomes what suggests which pairings that can go into producing that end state with a maximized output of good usable heat energy while avoiding any nasty radiations. It also shows ways to create layered reactor side barrier set ups that stop the bad stuff from getting out of the reactor by allowing them an instant pathway to a stable end state that "uses up the bad stuff" that is trying to get out. Greenyer also finds he has explanation now for the "disappearing tungsten milling ball mass" that was seen in ultrasonic milling operation that was being routinely done by Sudhas to super-clean his materials. For fast action LENR, you need a plasma state. You can get it by discharge, by cavitation, by small area impact (ball milling), you can do it in an electro plating arrangement --- we seem to keep finding new ways to do it. Rossi uses a tiny electrical lamp type plasma, which he cuts on and off quite frequently to regulate any over run into higher than desired energy state reactions. Rossi uses nickel and lithium as his feed stocks and he makes a range of "safe output" end materials over a long chain of reactions, releasing controllable heat in doing so. Stanislav Adamenko used heavier arc rigs that had actually created some unknown stable but heavier than naturally occurring elements in his arc reactors, elements that could then act as a stored nuclear battery -- elements that could then be triggered and disassembled at will later on to release a lot of stored LENR energy. Using molten bismuth and other feeder elements, a chain of up to 72 predicted reactions could created in a molten bismuth power source --- one that was actually built by Sudhas, one which is still producing minor energy nearly a year after it was cut off and solidified. Bob Greenyer has Sudha's old reactor and he is still studying it before he "safely attempts any re-creation of the experiment". "Strange" NON-ionizing radiation (not standard nuclear radiation at all) is now a real term, and several experimenters have accidentally mildly damaged their eyes while working on this stuff ...... generally by directly looking into the pretty light from the reactors. The term "Alchemist" has reentered science again -- specifically in the LENR side of science. And yes, some parings are actually self refining -- iridium has such a high melting point it floats to the top of the molten Bismuth bath that it was created in to be skimmed off as a refined result. Just flux your Bismuth bath with a self-volatilizing flux, let the flux evaporate and then skim the cleaned metal to get your tiny iridium crystals that are only worth a measly $43,000 an ounce. Makes controllable LENR heat energy, with a planned reaction that intentionally also has a very valuable side product. That is the definition of the New Alchemist in action. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 05/28/18 at 06:32:22 http://e-catworld.com/2018/05/28/rossi-trembling-after-e-cat-sk-test/ Rossi ‘Trembling’ after E-Cat SK Test Posted on May 28, 2018 • 11 Comments Andrea Rossi has made some comments the tests that he and his team have carried out over the weekend on the latest version of the E-Cat that is called the ‘SK’ (named after the late Swedish physicist Sven Kullander). This is apparently a lot more powerful reactor than the QX. Here are some recent comments from Rossi about the SK testing. Anonymous May 27, 2018 at 5:31 PM Dear Andrea: Strong congratulations for the successful test of the Ecat SK. Can you tell us the power you got? Andrea Rossi May 27, 2018 at 5:45 PM 100 kW and it is 4 times as big as the 1 kW Ecat QX ( not counting the heat exchanger ), that has the same dimensions of the Ecat QX shown in Stockholm on Nov 24. I think we made a very good work in these months. Very brutal, but fruitful. I am still trembling. It was emotional. Now we have to work on it, but I think they will arrive together in the market. Clark May 27, 2018 at 8:51 PM Dear Andrea Rossi: Can you describe some particular phase that made you tremble during the Ecat SK test? Andrea Rossi May 27, 2018 at 10:14 PM Clark: we had to protect ourselves behind a grade 14 glass because looking at the light radiated by the SK could damage seriously the eyes. Few seconds after the turn on of the reactor the heat radiated from the Ecat SK broke the 14 protection glass. We had supplementary 14 protection masks. Nonetheless, I saw from that minuscule reactor exit a tremendously dazzling white light all around the laboratory and I will never forget this impression. The SK was born. I think we will make it useful. Many errors emerged, but now we work to correct them, the most difficult part has been resolved. Warm Regards, A.R. Just as a point of reference, 14 shade eye protection is the type used in glasses used for viewing a solar eclipse safely. The only light you can see with those glasses on is that of the sun, otherwise for looking at anything else, it is just like being blindfolded. It’s still not clear to me from Rossi’s comments whether the SK will supersede the QX, since he says above that there are still “many errors” and that he thinks “they will arrrive in the market together”. So possibly he is thinking about a 2-track development until the SK problems are solved. 100 kW out of something smaller than a brick ....... Rossi needs some time and some work to tone this puppy down a bit, or else learn how to work with these unfamiliar very high output concentration levels a good bit better. Rossi has to figure out how to tone it down (or moderate the reaction) or else he will be dealing with the same sorts of "it just melts everything down" issues that the Mills Suncell has dealt with for the last 10 years. =================================================== Extra information from questions asked to Rossi This was a two day test was run at a high energy and radiation containment capable laboratory (3rd party outside lab). There were other witnesses, including ABB personnel and the lab personnel. The test ran for two full days at various rated power levels. The test maintained control during all testing levels. The control methodology worked, in other words. The test remained safe and ionizing radiation free, although the light levels and energy levels at the upper testing levels were somewhat alarming as the light levels emitted was strong enough to thermally crack the level 14 shielding glass at a distance (welding masks were used to observe the reactor after that point). Shielding glass works by blocking a lot of the light that hits it, converting it to heat and it normally gets pretty warm. The weaknesses in the light containment system that so alarmed Rossi were related to his need to collect optical data directly from the reactor reaction itself -- this "flaw" does not exist in normal units which will reside behind multiple metal layers and a flow of heat exchanger fluid. E-Cat SK is far too energetic to run at full speed against passive cooling methods involving air, part of its control system will have to be flow control of a cooling fluid and it cannot be run without a significant cooling load capacity (a goodly sized work load). E-Cat SK is small enough and concentrated enough to power fully mobile equipment such as a car, a truck or train. Melt down tests will have to be run and the results built into the final product as interruptions of the coolant flow will eventually happen and some forms of shut down needs to be built into the electronic control systems to assure "it fails safely in the event of stopped coolant flow". Ditto for electrical system failure. Rossi has indeed gotten past the size limitations that stopped him earlier. Larger units are now considered possible. Rossi needs to build him a high energy and radiation containment capable laboratory of his very own since he is going to do a lot of "end of life" and "run up to failure" testing of the E-Cat SK generation of reactors. Rossi is now a direct competitor "size wise" for Randal Mills and his sun cell. Brillouin is out of the running as a competitor as their energy output isn't even close to the same order of magnitude as Rossi and Mills any more. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 05/29/18 at 15:19:30 http://e-catworld.com/2018/05/28/rossi-trembling-after-e-cat-sk-test/ Axil Axil • 17 hours ago located down in the comments section Under the assumption that the SK reactor is pumping out muons by the ton, it might be possible to surround the SK with a thick molten lead blanket and thereby increase it thermal output by 1000 times due to slow muon induced fission. If a lead calcium alloy were used as the blanket material, transmutation of this alloy to gold through muon induced transformation might occur. Gold would become ubiquitous. Instead of galvanizing metal, gold plating would perform better. I have mentioned the Bob Greenyer spreadsheet that predicts LENR reactions before, right? Folks have been playing around with the spreadsheet -- you can tell. Please don't laugh, someone has already taken a poke at making alchemist's iridium (Sudhas Rankar) and succeeded well enough to have a measurable result. Iridium is only 1,000 times more valuable than gold. So in this one, you get your heat (magnified by 1,000) and you get you some "waste gold crystals" floating up to the top of your molten lead/calcium "muon shielding" bath. ::) ..... can I get the nifty red pointy alchemist hat to go along with that ??? http://https://darkbladeuk.co.uk/image/cache/catalog/Costume%20Head/WIzardHatRed-min-875x1000.jpg |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 06/12/18 at 08:55:01 Now this is interesting. I mentioned "creating iridium" as having been done by Sudhas Rankar and others in "measurable by spectroscopy" amounts. The amount of heat generated is considerable and some brand new folks are getting interested in LENR both for the power (heat) output and for the very valuable waste products. Rossi has three new long term confirmations being published just lately, people who had carefully recreated his tube reactors and then run them all the way to "end of fuel". It took well over a year for the shortest one. Parkhomov based Russian efforts are nearing some form of commercialization in Russia. Rankar based efforts are moving forward in India. In the USA we have DoD based companies filing patents for military implementations and Rossi is moving towards his "sale of heat" roll out later on this year. All the first movers will launch something late this year with a more general blossoming taking place in 2019. I count 5 major methods of doing LENR at this time. The theory behind LENR is getting fleshed out more and more, and quite frankly does not seem to be all that hard to do. Keeping it from melting down is the trick and that can be done as simply as varying the cooling load against a fixed VERY SMALL reactor mass that is allowed to run naturally in self sustained mode having been provided suitable "on off" EM excitement level. Turning it off totally isn't instant off, but it ramps down in a 10 minutes or so once the power is cut off completely. This is Rossi's QX plasma based reactor system in a nutshell. Think pencil lead thick and you got it ..... Rossi's bigger SK unit is a different animal, using variable excitement and variable cooling loads to remain control of a much more powerful plasma based reactor, one the size of a thin magic marker pen inside a short coke bottle. Mills had built everything on a scale that was a lot bigger than that, but Mills has had no luck in keeping his stuff from doing a series of completely reactor destroying melt downs over the years. Mill lost some of his backers after melting it all down yet again this spring. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 06/20/18 at 06:22:01 http://e-catworld.com/2018/06/18/rossi-solicits-invitation-requests-to-usa-east-coast-presentation/ Rossi will present his E-Cat products this winter (in early first quarter 2019). He is now issuing invitations only to a select slice of the peanut gallery, intentionally including some of his more factual based critics. These folks may see a video recording of a working Rossi installation at a place of business. They will see meters, boxes and plumbing ...... that's all. But it will be at a fully working industrial installation. Rossi is never going to break his web of secrecy, ever -- he no longer believes that patents do anything to effectively protect new technology (although he has patents and is applying for more patents all the time he does NOT trust courts or patents to protect his tech from being stolen and replicated in the Far East). Rossi has a small unit suitable for a room heater and he has a bigger unit suitable for a whole house heater/cooling unit. Trane (just an example pulled out of the air) has all the tech needed to take the Rossi heat source and plug it into existing heat pump systems. Rossi and his partners plan to milk it for all it is worth, giving a 1-2 year payback to the end customer and pocketing the majority of the benefits for themselves. Sudhas and Parkhomov and Mills and Brillouin and Rossi all have working LENR systems. India and Russia are quite adamant that they are rolling to commercialism within 3 years -- Rossi will get there maybe a year or two before they do. Rossi will eventually lose because he wants too much money for his stuff and his competitors will simply kill him in the marketplace once real price vs value competition starts. Rossi is NOT a businessman, he is an ego driven inventor (quite good at that, but that is not a businessman's mindset). Solar is currently going great guns and can generate electricity cheaper and cheaper and cheaper compared to any petrol product or natural gas ...... but solar cannot directly power rolling stock like trucks, trains and cars. Musk and his BIG battery cars and trucks will have their day in the sun but they aren't going to win against LENR which can do these things on the roll, safely, and at a much lower cost. Mankind can get the power it needs by several methods, and there is certainly enough demand in the world for all of them. So, all of them will get used where most appropriate. Needed invention, a small Rossi unit driving a environmentally safe gas turbine electric generator or some other form of generator suitable to be driven against a "heat differential". |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 07/03/18 at 04:59:56 http://brillouinenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Brillouin-Press-Release-Second-Commercial-License-7-2-18-Final.pdf Brillouin had a 2-3 COP process that they had built up using illegally shared Rossi tech sourced from Industrial Heat (who now has a controlling interest in Brillouin). Industrial Heat (using Brillouin as a cut out) is now trying to peddle Rossi tech illegally, in violation of US court orders. Carefully though, only peddling it in the Far East under non-disclosure terms, far far outside of the reach of US courts. http://e-catworld.com/2018/07/02/brillouin-energy-closes-second-paid-commercial-license-within-the-asia-pacific-region-brillouin-energy-press-releas/ Yes, a COP of 2-3 is worth some money. Old Rossi tech is worth some money. But it isn't NEARLY current tech, it is 3-4 year old Rossi tech at its very best. Rossi and Mills represent the high energy output LENR operating systems now. Brillouin is selling the old moldy table scraps of older low yield systems to get a buck while they can. Come the Rossi over 20 COP demo this New Years Eve, both Brillouin and Industrial Heat will be pretty much out of luck for selling anything that they have with only a 2-3 COP moving forward. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 07/15/18 at 06:07:31 http://e-catworld.com/2018/07/15/rossi-e-cat-sk-powered-gas-turbine-power-density-is-the-highest-i-ever-reached/ Andrea Rossi seems to be concentrating his efforts now on developing the 100 kW E-Cat SK reactor, which he reports he is combining with a liquid CO2 gas turbine generator. Here’s a Q&A on the subject from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today: Chuck Davis July 14, 2018 at 7:01 PM Dr Rossi: 1- do you already have a gas turbine operating? 2- if yes, which dimensions vs power? Regards, Chuck Davis Andrea Rossi July 15, 2018 at 2:39 AM Chuck Davis: 1- yes 2- the power density is the highest I ever reached. Premature to give numbers. Warm Regards, A.R. Rossi has said previously that the ratio in size of the 1 kW QX to the 100 kW SK is 1:10 which, if true, would make the power density of the SK 10 times that of the QX. There will of course be losses when combining the SK with a gas turbine, but even if the turbine was only 20 per cent efficient, it would be twice the power density of the QX. Steven Karels asked Rossi about how they are dealing with the very high temperatures the E-Cat SK is reportedly producing: Steven N. Karels July 14, 2018 at 3:40 AM Dear Andrea Rossi, It is difficult for me to envision of 100kW eCat SK reactor that can sustain the temperatures you report without damaging or melting the containment structure. Is the containment structure transparent? Andrea Rossi July 14, 2018 at 5:04 AM Steven N.Karels: The gas turbine configuration resolves the problem. We are working on this issue for other configurations. Warm Regards, A.R. Still, Rossi has said that the SK is not ready for production, and apparently they will have to make a decision at some point whether it will be launched as an initial product. When I asked him whether the SK and QX both need to be ready before they can do a product launch he replied, “No. If the SK will not be ready, we will start with the QX anyway.” OK, Rossi is dealing with his SK reactor's "excessive energy" density issues, same as Mills did. Rossi's "short Coke bottle" sized SK reactor is tending to spot overcome every cooling use load scenario he has come up with, save two. The very first "big enough good enough" variable adjustable cooling load is heating up a VERY LARGE flow of water as in a free flowing large commercial hot water building heating system. The second use is in a liquid CO2 based turbine mated to a generator electricity producing set up that has the ability to constantly dump the excess electricity generated off into the electrical power grid. Rossi uses a flow of cooling water to condense his pressurized CO2 back into liquid form, so he still gets his large volume flow of output hot water for building heating as a free secondary by product. Rossi apparently likes this one because he can get a tremendous amount of very effective spot cooling off the boiling liquid CO2 getting large amounts of evaporation point cooling at -78o C instantly [u]when he needs it ASAP as a variable control element for heat spikes[/u] and he gets even more extra electricity being generated from a heat spike now instead of just having to just pay a lot more money for more power to run liquid water cooling pumps that much faster as is currently used in his simple "building heating" hot water uses. Because he has a bunch of good "variable" liquid CO2 cooling available, Rossi is now trying for higher energy densities that are beyond anything that he has attempted before. We know that the output of his system has to be in balance against the cooling load and the cooling reserve amount needs to be "large" so having good cooling instantly available means he can crank his SK up some more, safely. These are the two items that will likely be able to be shown at the 2018 New Year's demos as the COP figures are very good and the equipment seems stable enough when run at steady states. Making electrical power and heating hot water, both are very good safe initial uses for Rossi SK tech ..... The COP calculations for an electrical generation system will be interesting, since he has the power output from the electric generator which easily exceeds his energy use rate for his control boxes AND he has the water heating capability from the liquid CO2 condenser to make up his building heating hot water (or other forms of water based heating uses). Could he justify saying his COP is very very very high once the whole system is cranked up and working ???? Likely he could. Easy to get AC cooling off the same system, just evaporate some of the liquid CO2 in a cooling coil or jet a flow of high pressure CO2 gas through a venturi to provide building type AC water spot chilling. I suspect this use would require a condenser or water chiller type system outside the building to dump the remaining excess system heat outside the building, but that sort of action is well understood by HVAC companies already. Fancy RV AC/Heat systems already do these sorts of things in relatively small units, using propane gas tanks to provide the primary heat source. Propane heat can run RV refrigerators too, so a small Rossi heat system should work in that application as well. Remember how the QX went from 20 watts to 60 watts to 80 watts to 100 watts in output per reactor once his new team had tuned on it some. I bet we will see eventually something close to the same 5x level of output progression in the SK unit as well given sufficient rapidly adjustable cooling and the ability to have a large cooling reserve to handle heat spikes ...... Potentially Mebbe Half a Megawatt of heat output per small coke sized reactor which right now as we speak can reach plasma temperatures of up to 20,000o C ????? :o In return, I am waiting for the smaller QX reactor to gain some more "you got good cooling now, turn it up some more" spec ability from the work Rossi and crew are doing on the SK upper end --- they are now learning how to deal effectively with the higher output levels, balancing larger outputs against good cooling and ample cooling reserves. =================================================== IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO GET BETTER AND BETTER ....... Rossi now admits that the real world rating on the small and large reactors depends on the LOAD TYPE (or cooling ability) of that particular set up. Given something that can cool a great amount re-actively (adjustably) then the overall "kilowatts output" of that particular rig can go up accordingly. Next, Rossi is in "automated assembly" (low volume type production) on QX samples that are getting sent out to selected customers on a "trial fit, run, then return ASAP" basis. The customer just pays for the heat as they have no ownership of the sample units whatsoever. Customers really need a trial unit so they can really see if their idea is worth sinking lots of their capital dollars into developing. Next, Rossi will have his first 4 internal "permanent installations" functional by November. He will be in low level automated reactor production for customer units at that time. December is set up time for public display review (the big coming out party) in January-February. First hints have now been dropped on a still MUCH LARGER reactor that is now under development. This unit would be a public utility sized single reactor and would require MASSIVE amounts of very reactive cooling to be practicable at all as it is similar in output to a Mills unit. Exposure of biologically tainted water to extreme amount of Ultra High Frequency ultra violet light (EUV) can clean up and destroy all living biological contaminants and can break down most all forms of organic poisons that those toxic life forms produce. Plus the water gets up over 140 degrees in the process, which is medically recognized as "sterilized by boiling" type temperatures. Treat it with some clorine and other water purification chemicals and you get potable drinking water off a jeep towable (readily portable) purification plant. Rossi's reactor outputs LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of EUV light so very very strongly it can break down water molecules into free hydrogen and somewhat temporary HO ions which will recombine later (unless they are separated immediately and the mono atomic hydrogen gas utilized in some fashion). Fuel cells can run off this mono atomic hydrogen gas just dandy. So, a very powerful Rossi reactor can act as a self-powered container sized water purification plant, in other words, getting its pump electrical power from a fuel cell electrical generator. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/09/18 at 02:21:32 Going back to the room heater sized ideas, low yield, inherently safe, etc. etc. http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2018/08/08/glimpse-the-end-of-the-fossil-fuel-fool-age/ http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Atom-Ecology_Coldfusion_Infinite_COP_Screenshot-8-768x458.png This represents a new, a 6th pathway to LENR, in what may be a very simple inexpensive method that has low yields that is supposedly very easy to control. More explanation is needed about what is going on here along with operating analysis and theoretical basis, etc, and I am sure the MFMP guys will get on this one fairly quickly as it looks like a tech level that normal people might be able to do. MFMP is beginning replications to verify they really see what they think they see ...... more later on, of course. http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Fusion_pellets_in_hand2.jpg Not too much to these tiny colds fusion fuel pellets that heat a several kilogram fuel test bench scale reactor. Made by my own hand out of incredibly cheap and common materials, pellets like these in hand have been cycling with the aforementioned or nearly similar heat output since 02 May 2018, about 100 days. My tiny fuel pellets like to cycle between very hot and not so hot over the course of a repeating cycle of a few hours. Nothing suggests they will stop anytime soon, Martin Fleischmann, the father of cold fusion, once mused that such cold fusion fueled bits like his and these once made might remain active for centuries. Teachable to all Nothing in the manufacture and application of these tiny cold fusion pellets cannot be taught to the poorest of this world so that they may become energy self-sufficient and independent. The tiny pellets remain solid, remain together as the reaction goes between 500oF and 1,000oF as that is the current operating range. More active pellets = more heating capacity. It is possible to sort and replace the pellets when they get tired on the fly (all you need to do this trick is a track fed line of hot from the reactor pellets that you send by a temperature sensor to weed out the individual much colder (mostly dead) pellets. An air blast or a kick-out solenoid ejects the cold pellets from the track and the good pellets are return tracked go back to work. This idea is an extension of the Lugano reactor set up, taking it up a notch into the stiff firm pellet form instead of loose powder formats. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/10/18 at 03:44:45 Serobot...... they actually did this one just for you and all other doubting Thomas types. http://e-catworld.com/2018/08/09/rossi-building-40-mw-e-cat-plant-for-customer/ Rossi: Building 40 MW E-Cat Plant for Customer who is “One of the Biggest Entities in the World in its Field” Current thought is it is a single distillation tower at a refinery, so if it works out you can expect a lot of news exposure in the Business press. I expect Forbes to be along shortly along with a Futures rating update on the company doing it ...... The message to business leaders is clear -- jump on the train NOW or get left behind the technical leaders and LOSE YOUR COMPETITIVE POSITION DUE TO HIGHER ENERGY COSTS. When you see this showing up in general media, expect some sort of reaction from all major companies ASAP. Rossi: Building 40 MW E-Cat Plant for Customer who is “One of the Biggest Entities in the World in its Field” Posted on August 9, 2018 • 32 Comments Andrea Rossi has been posting recently about a contract Leonardo Corporation has made with a customer (unidentified) for a 40 MW E-Cat installation. Rossi states that the plant is already under construction, although he says that they have not yet decided whether it will be using SK or QX reactors. He says they are still testing the SK 10 kW version and will have to make a decision in the near future whether it is ready for production. According to Rossi, the SK and QX reactors are the same size, so presumably they can start building the plants before they make the final decision of which type to go with. However, if they go with the QX reactors (1 kW each), they will need 10 times the number compared to the SK. When asked about the size of this plant he replied: Andrea Rossi August 9, 2018 at 6:28 AM Anonymous: Assuming we use the SK 10, Reactors plus heat exchanger 4 cubic meters, plus the control systems and the steam circuits. Warm Regards A.R. So if the QX is used, then it will be 40 cubic meters in size which will be considerably larger, so I am sure that Rossi hopes that the SK is ready. UPDATE I asked Rossi a few more questions about this installation and got some replies. Frank Acland August 9, 2018 at 5:49 AM Dear Andrea, 1. Is the customer you are building the 40 MW E-Cat plant for in the United States? 2. Is this the largest installation you currently have? 3. Is this customer in the food processing industry (you have mentioned this previously). 4. Are you on site at this customer’s facility to supervise the construction? Many thanks, Frank Acland Andrea Rossi August 9, 2018 at 10:23 AM Frank Acland: 1- the location of our Client is for now confidential. I can say the Client is one of the biggest entities of the world in its field, if not the biggest. 2- this is the largest installation we will have to make for the time being 3- I cannot answer this question in positive or in negative 4- not yet, at the moment we are deciding which modules to use ( SK or QX series ), hoping they will be SK, and we are starting with a certified engineer of the State where the Client is the procedures for the authorizations, in collaboration with the Client. I will be in the Customer facility surely in September to define the details for the installation of the plant. Eventually the production of the modules will be started, at this point I definitely would say within the year 2018. Warm Regards, A.R. artefact • an hour ago 40 MW: "Reactors plus heat exchanger 4 cubic meters, plus the control systems and the steam circuits" 1GW: 1000MW / 40 = 25 (times bigger) 25 * 4 cubic meter = 100 cubic meter So a 1GW SK plant would need 2.5 40 cubic meter container plus space for the control system and the steam circuits. tlp artefact • 43 minutes ago Quite small compared to a 1 GW nuclear power plant Edit: 1 GW nuclear powerplant generates that much electricity, but in fact it needs to generate about 3 times of that heat, so 3 GW heat (2 GW is dumbed as waste heat) But anyway small compared to any other existing power plants of similar capacity. ============================================================== Comments Section Buck • 19 hours ago Vinney below suggests that this customer is a petrochemical company. If this customer is Andeavor, then they are looking to test the Ecat on about 13% of their capacity. Andeavor facilities have the capacity to distill 1.2 million gallons per day. It takes about 6kW to distill a gallon. Therefore, the 40MW Ecat plant will distill about 160k gallons per day, or just over 13%. Marathon is purchasing Andeavor, so the impact to the US oil refinery capacity will in time be much larger. Yesterday, the WSJ reported that US Oil refiners are showing significantly higher quarterly profits per barrel. The number that sticks out is about $15/barrel or about $0.36 per gallon of a 42 gallon barrel. Using the 6kW/gallon estimate, this provides one the opportunity to estimate how the use of the Ecat will materially increase the reported profit per barrel by focusing on the easier to assess before and after cost of grid supplied heat. Gerard McEk Buck • 18 hours ago I am not sure how much of that price would be the fuel cost, but it will be considerable. If they will pay only 20% for heating with the Ecat, the advantage will be quite significant in that sector. No doubt other customers would follow quite quickly, when it works out well. Paul Smith Gerard McEk • 17 hours ago It seems that the Customer will pay 80% (save 20%),, from this messages: Herta Hoster August 9, 2018 at 2:05 AM Dr Andrea Rossi, How much will save the client of the 40 MW plant you will deliver? Thanks if you can answer, H.H. Andrea Rossi August 9, 2018 at 2:22 AM Herta Hoster: About the 20% respwect what the Client is spending now. Warm Regards, A.R. Gerard McEk Paul Smith • 14 hours ago Thanks Paul, I remembered it wrong indeed. Buck Paul Smith • 17 hours ago If one assumes that Andeavor pays $0.05/kWh, then the current cost to distill a gallon is $0.30. With the 20% savings, the new cost is $0.24. Given the WSJ reported profit/barrel of about $0.36/gallon of a 42 gallon barrel, the full implementation of the Ecat will drop about $0.06 to the bottom line. A 16% boost in profits. causal observer Paul Smith • 17 hours ago Level of certainty suggsts that Rossi has a price point with lots of profit margin factored in. Jimr • 20 hours ago Could Rossi mean 40 mw hours. The numbers and size do not work out for me. Jimr Jimr • 18 hours ago Rossi may have meant 100kw modules. With 10kw modules it would take 4000. At 25x25x18 cm you could squeeze 100 in a cubic meter X 4 is only 400. Let me know if my math is wrong. bfast Jimr • 19 hours ago I think he means 40Mwh/Hr. tlp bfast • 14 hours ago And that is same as 40MW Vinney • 20 hours ago This would be for a petrochemical company, and most probably for 'fractional distillation'. There would be orders for dozens of these in 2019. The health and safety people would gladly have their gas fired boilers on standby for an E-cat closer to the distillation facility. They would be hoping to eliminate the gas boilers that also necessitate a larger and remote siting. Because the E-cat heating elements are surrounded by water, there is no way an E-cat plant could ignite any escaped gas from the distillation facility. It is good Rossi is moving quickly to bigger, single installations. They are easier to secure against IP theft and industrial espionage, and to maintain and control remotely. Inference news --- SK passed its second set of tests and the newest "up rated" SK goes forward into a trial installation at a customer's site. Rossi's current total development focus is now on MUCH BIGGER REACTOR types, in the past this was called a Tiger E-Cat. This change is very likely simply indicative of his Industrial Refiner Customers requests and the ever larger reactor size of his general Industrial market demand. It also indicates that his team has had yet another breakthrough epiphany set concerning output / cooling / output rating balances on the ever bigger and bigger side of things. Right now just one or two of his smallest reactors could do a movable to room room space heater in your house just fine. Just one or two of his SK reactors (at current output levels) could heat your whole house on a simple baseboard circulating hot water system. Just one or two of his newest Tiger sized units could power your car or truck across the country and back 10 times, easily, while being run at idle levels. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/30/18 at 08:43:02 https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/deneum-proves-feasibility-hypothesis-for-its-nuclear-fusion-power-station-concludes-1m-private-round-2018-08-29 Researchers are now looking hard at "cold fusion" knowing that it is possible and that it can be approached from many pathways. This new Deneum pathway tilts more towards traditional fission tech controls/cooling and finds that you can do cold fusion using some of those same techniques and elements. This opens the question, "has this been going on all along ???" Folks have asked that about mercury vapor lamps, arc spot lights, early florescent bulbs and the answers have been yes, possibly all along at some minor level. It goes to explain why the things all run so durn hot and get still efficiency numbers that were "much improved" over the previous techs. Now it is being asked about fission tech and getting the same answers. Elemental transformation shift chains from element to element to element may have been going on all along as byproducts of the very energetic fission reactions. https://deneum.com/pdf/White_Paper.pdf ::) ..... do you think maybe these guys are SERIOUS this time? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 09/03/18 at 19:55:08 Rossi announces his finalized power levels after he started running a new one month qualification test series for the SK reactor. (Rossi has already gotten the first weeks run data which has led to the new "finalized" power levels announcements). All of this is in preparation for the BIG PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT and the first small assembly line production start up (with kick off demonstration) planned for Januart 31 of 2019. So far Rossi has not melted his stuff down like Mills has done (repeatedly) and Rossi has a significant business partner now in ABB to do "nanny duty" for him and that nanny partner has all the knowledge and skilled resources that keep Rossi both on track and productive. ABB does power generation, and they do robotics and they do automated assembly lines and they have a world-wide distribution network. A most excellent match for a Rossi business partner. QX unit has settled in at a 1 kilowatt QX output level (thick pencil / pen marker sized reactor) and a SK unit (half a coke can tall, smaller diameter than a coke can) that is now earmarked for a conservative 10 Kilowatt output. These are the two sizes Rossi will be going with for public introduction and his "you buy the heat, we own the equipment" first business plan. The SK can obviously put out more heat than this, as can the QX ---- but by coming in out of the gate a little conservatively Rossi can provide a more settled environment with enough "backup units are already installed in your initial set up" for full redundancy in those first installations. Why all the caution ???? Rossi also has to ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE THINGS LAST THE FULL ADVERTISED PERIOD, which is a hard claim to make since he hasn't actually run them that long without changing something. And most importantly not doing any melting down, ever. Randal Mills has made everyone very sensitive to this meltdown thing by melting his latest sun cell stuff down jest too too too many times in a row now. Not having any bobbles or failures is VERY important to Rossi right now. His first new users have to get what they ordered power-wise in a calm bobble free fashion. This means if the things go in in banks, Rossi can safely switch off an entire bank for maintenance while working the full load off of the other bank (or banks, since some installations seem to be relatively larger). His redundancy factor is large right now as his formal reliability track record is being discovered here as he goes. Running under lighter stress and at lower power levels is simply smart business right now, less bobbles and less chance of a heat spike/meltdown. Rossi has hinted at larger Tiger-sized reactors are in the development pipeline again, which will be a good thing when they are finished up. However, right now the larger "super powered output levels" ares out of favor at the moment due to Randal Mills nasty habit of keeping on keeping on melting down his bigger units, jest a melting them down into glowing slag repeatedly which stupid activity is scaring his investors away in droves ...... ::) So, Mills Brilliant Power is out of the picture at the moment due to another full scale large (total reactor is gone yet again) meltdown. Randal Mills has no current proven working design, in other words. Harsh, but true. Deneum (up a post or two from this one) is the only working semi-competitor Rossi has right now but they are still fairly experimental and quite small in nature. They just did some demos and collected a few million dollars in new funding, however. https://youtu.be/g1e3jPOTQZg this is Deneum's current installed level Brillouin is way way down on output power compared to Rossi or Mills, and as such is not a serious contender any longer for commercial implementation. Brillouin (and Industrial Heat who owns a majority share) are trying to sell their ideas in the Middle East to raise some investment money, but are getting no takers at the moment. =================================================== Something new is being openly discussed, and that is what the transformation actions are doing to the reactor vessels in all of these various systems that Bob Greenyer at MFMP has looked at over the last year, and most specifically a lot of the materials changes information are coming from the used LION reactors which were given to MFMP be studied. The LENR transformation stuff is actually changing the reactor vessel walls, putting a predictable "end of function life" to these cells which tends to explains why Rossi always insists on using small replaceable reactor cells in all his stuff. He realizes that the reactor units basic structural walls and electrical elements each have a function life span issue due to what happens inside them at the atomic level, apart from just using up the fuel in the cell. What changes ???? This is all very short range activity, but the atoms of the stuff the reactor is made from change over time, salting in lots of isolated replacement transformed atoms inside these solid materials. The integrity of the materials shifts, in other words. Mankind's knowledge of "stuff" is gonna change due to LENR ---- right now we see elemental things as immutable and really, they are not really so fixed at all. And the thought that elements can only form inside a supernova ---- wrong. Completely wrong. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 09/07/18 at 23:02:47 Do you think the Europeans are aware of lithium based LENR reactions? I tend to think so ...... http://https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.coinupdate.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F01%2Fernest-walton-silver-coin.jpg&key=BHuarNh7OAUvqKYrmUAzGg&w=800&h=449 =================================================== http://e-catworld.com/2018/09/10/rossi-decision-made-to-start-industrialization-with-10-kw-sk-e-cats/ Rossi: Decision Made to Start Industrialization With 10 kW SK E-Cats Posted on September 10, 2018 • 60 Comments Andrea Rossi had been reporting recently on the Journal of Nuclear Physics that his team at Leonardo Corporation had been testing two E-Cat SK reactors rated at 10 kW each to see if they would be suitable for building the first industrial E-Cat plants. Rossi says that last night (Saturday, September 8th 2018) they decided that they have decided to use the SK reactors instead of the smaller 1kW QX E-Cats. He had said that they would run a 10-day test, but it apparently only was six days, having started on Monday. Rossi had admitted that moving ahead with the E-Cat SK does entail some risk, since it has not been put through the months-long Sigma 5 testing that the smaller QX reactor went through, but it is a risk he is willing to take apparently. He stated “the Sigma 5 reaches with the Ecat QX helps the trust in the SK version.” So what happens next? I asked Rossi this question and his answer was simply “industrialization.” As far as when the first plants would be delivered to customers, he wrote to Gerard McEk this: “We will begin to deliver in 2019, surely not in January. By January we would start the production.” As best as I can understand things, the actual starting of industrial production had been on hold until Leonardo had decided which reactors they would be building. Now that decision has been made, one would expect that they would start to move onto production. We will have to wait and see how things progress now. The next important public event will be the product introduction of E-Cat products which Rossi has said he hopes to hold in January. I don’t think he will hold that event unless they have had success with the production process by that time. This is Rossi crossing his Rubicon. He is committed to a production process, a public roll out and a first shipments scenario the first month of next year. Rossi will continue testing the reactors he has lit sitting in his lab, but since they are the same construction as before and his new controller tricks are working as expected he is Good to Go for the first of next year. People are asking about Rossi's promised Sigma 5 testing, this is ongoing concurrent with what he has been doing and the full Sigma 5 testing series will continue with these and with the original sets of reactors which have been on test for months now. By the first of next year, Sigma 5 testing should be complete and the breakdown analysis of the first reactors completed. Rossi is feeling mounting pressure from the other groups who are rolling towards first unit sales. The other groups ARE NOT doing all the Rossi "cautious Sigma 5 testing" and you can count Randal Mills last full reactor melt down as a result of his hurry up to production mentality. =================================================== How big is a single 10 kw SK reactor? About the same size as a little bitty 6 oz. can of tomato paste. (please remember they will come in bank assemblies of 5 and 10 count for industrial uses) http://https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/7b28ed8f-ada3-40d9-b327-853459691960_1.88398bfec492eedb786ae2de6423c293.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 10/30/18 at 22:11:35 General Update leading up to the big reveal on January 31st, 2019 OK, this will be an Internet Conference, not a physical "you can touch it" conference for all us normal people to attend. Physical guests will only be very very few and a real reactor will NOT be available as the Conference Hotel has decided it is a friggin' fusion plant and it is WAY TOO DANGEROUS to be in the hotel. The reactor shown on January 31st will be a video feed from an unknown site. The Russians had a big conference this past October and progress levels and strange radiation detection and shielding/buffering were openly discussed. Everyone that attended is getting all the stuff that they either picked up there, or got shipped to them by agreement. Parkhomov turned loose the design for his strange radiation producing "woodpecker" device so lots of folks are working on figuring out confirmations on shielding methods to buffer strange radiation. Yes, it is real. Yes, strange radiation converts the walls of the reactor vessel causing it to lose structural integrity over time, which is why Rossi always bases his little reactors to be drop in replaceable units that are only good for about a year which is all they can take before internal alteration and possible crumbling starts. There is a massive interest now being shown by Forbes and other financial magazines. They are running historical "catch up" articles to get their readership up to date. This is world changing stuff, and a lot of money will be made by someone very shortly. Randal Mills and the SunCell is pretty much out of contention as Brilliant Power has melted down all their SunCell reactors like 4 times last year with much much work and many many dollars spent on these trials to no real avail. Mills has lost most of his pre-existing long term backers at this point in time. Brillouin's base patents only cover a 2-3 COP reactor that will "strange radiation alter" its large complicated fixed reactor vessel (using constantly replaceable powder in the same vessel) into structural garbage inside a couple of calendar years. Brillouin is also been using some Rossi patented tricks that they have NO RIGHTS TO USE and thus Brillouin can only peddle their stuff in China and other obscure Eastern countries that have no patent rights enforcement. Industrial Heat and Brillouin are actually one in the same, but Brillouin is being used as the "sue you cut out" for Industrial Heat as IH has court orders lodged against them forcing them to turn over and destroy all the restricted Rossi information that Brillouin is still using. The US Military has Boeing and other military contractors are working with Rossi's tech on jet engines, unmanned submarine very small power reactors and lots of smaller uses like mobile heat and power systems. This are all still very black projects and top secret, but the technical papers put out by DARPA and the various military quarterly reports leak LENR activity around the edges. To say that "industrial espionage" is active around Rossi's partner's facilities is very much a understatement. Rossi has shown that total secrecy is the only protection his work really has, but even total secrecy isn't going to stop so many world class spies prying at his secrets. ::) |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/04/18 at 00:44:35 http://e-catworld.com/2018/11/03/rossi-20-kw-e-cat-sk-to-be-shown-working-at-january-presentation/ OK, what exactly is going to be shown on the internet video cast on January 31, 2019 ??? Frank Ackland has been putting together and forwarding a list of pertinent questions for the ever secretive Rossi to "choose from to respond to" during his presentation, during which video cast filming Frank Ackland will be physically present to verify the actualities and note the test equipment makes and model numbers and verify the wire ups are as described, etc. (this is what has been asked for, anyway). First fruits to the peanut gallery is that Rossi has had to pre-admit to Frank that he has DOUBLED the rated power output of his larger SK reactor using the data from his 5 sigma run offs. He had to give this news out to Frank now as far too many of the questions Frank had forwarded to Rossi presupposed the old 10kw output levels of his SK reactor and many of the questions simply did not apply at all to a 20kw output SK reactor. This sort of rate increase thing was expected by me since it is my ignorant unsubstantiated opinion that Rossi's reactor can actually output a lot more, but outputs still have to be very carefully matched to a much higher capacity FAST RESPONDING cooling load in order to safely "drown out any and all potential heat spikes" that still could occur. Proof of this pudding comes from the 5kw to 10kw to 20kw output progression inside the first half a year of running. I doubt this progression of output levels is over, and the 20kw output level may become a 30kw or more before next year. Ideally, when much much more is known about the reactor's thermal characteristics and the response characteristics of the monitoring system and the responsiveness of the cooling loads then higher outputs should be able to be applied to a slowly changing load, one that naturally changes much slower than the response time of the controller and the reserve cooling load. Rossi will always require a much more massive cooling pool to pull from, as "quenching a spike" is a key element in his safety factor. Remember, fast high capacity variable control of the cooling load is a key element of the current control system as Rossi must be able to drown out his largest possible heat spikes at will, very very quickly. ================================================== It is clear that a single copy of the current 20 kw single reactor unit can do home space heating and hot water heating (same simple unit, actually). People were hoping Rossi will show a gas turbine / generator use as such could charge an electric car battery or a home-wall style power storage unit. By going as an integrated part of a home-wall electrical system, this same more complex unit could also do water heating and space heating duties in the winter as a free byproduct of power production as there will be waste heat generation involved. In the summer, excess heat can be converted to AC using propane type AC technologies or else simply dumped outside by a heat exchanger. ================================================== Two new factoids surfaced today in the last 12 hours of Rossi speak communications. They got pounced on and re-asked by Frank Ackland in a very clear, concise manner that got promptly answered by Rossi (eliminating both assumption errors and any language misunderstandings). First, the first of the promised automated assembly lines are operational and were used to make the units to be shown in the demo. Manufacturing has commenced with a line for the reactors and a line for the controllers. Rossi has supplied trial units for his Industrial Partner and for a select few first customers, all under the tightly controlled "Rossi retained ownership, just selling you the heat" system. Second, the control unit will run off of a single 15-20 amp breaker 115 volt house line. What follows supposes the reactor and control box draws the whole potential current from the 20 amp line, but using the largest wall socket amperage the minimal resulting COP for the 20 kilowatt reactor has an absolute minimum COP of 100, a minimum theoretical COP that is assuming all power possible is taken from the wall socket. Rossi has never pulled full power from his lines before, being a cautious inventor type he consistently never draws more than half the available power from a line as brown outs do happen and accidentally destroying all his work isn't in Rossi's deck of cards (very very much unlike Randal Mills and the folks over at Brilliant Power that is). Past experience from Rossi is his largest current draw period is to ignite the process, followed by prolonged periods of "control only" very low current draw. This pattern should repeat with the new SK reactor units. Rossi has also alluded to "similar COP levels" to his last demo, which depending on what was considered as part of inputs ranged from 200 to 500 COP back then. Rossi also states the controller can run "up to 100 multiple reactors" but it is still unclear what portion of the potential 20 amps is being taken off the 20 amp fused circuit going to the controller box. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/17/18 at 12:22:12 http://e-catworld.com/2018/11/14/rossi-open-heart-inspections-of-the-e-cat-during-doral-test-damaged-his-health/ Rossi breaks the silence on his cancers, surgeries and treatments. He also discusses what silly things he did that got him direct exposure to significant amounts of direct LENR UV light and some microwave like strange radiation. Yes, he would habitually opened the shielding so he could directly see (using welding googles) into his active reactors with his Mark I basic equipment eyeballs, watching them for hours for minute flickering changes. Rossi did not set up a EUV filter equipped video camera and a monitor, which would have saved him from direct exposure because his camera wasn't capable of the very high frequency detail resolutions. Yes, Rossi habitually opened the shielding so he could directly see into his active reactors using welding googles augmented by hand held frequency and polarization filters, watching the reactor plasma for hours on end for ongoing tiny flickering changes. This LENR stuff emits microwave like "strange" electromagnetic radiations and a lot of UV light, not any atomic particles like in fission. It can still give you cancer though. Now you understand the hair and the voice changes, Rossi had gotten "face, skin & throat cancer" in locations where the LENR sun shined on him. Why is Rossi being so open about this now? He is not saying anything now that would not be discovered soon enough anyway, and he feels it is important to bring all his experiences out into the light in order to explain why he simply isn't going for ANY consumer products right now, he is only going for Commercial applications with locked barrier secured, remote, well designed and well shielded applications that will be tended only by trained & certified maintenance people. He also admits that a household table top microwave oven has more layers of shielding to it than his SK reactor actually requires and those table top microwave ovens can pass UL all the time because both the radiations and shielding are very clear and well understood. Rossi thinks that the large number of radar operators and maintenance men that got cancer and died early because of war time exposure to unshielded microwave energy was a direct result of "the habitual keeping of military secrets" and by being totally open about his own long term exposures and resulting cancers Rossi hopes to cut down on the number of people who will be harmed by early LENR installations. In any case, Rossi is actually stepping back some from the habitual levels of total secrecy he has embraced previously. Rossi is acting like he has total confidence in the SK reactor performing to published specifications. The thing he seems to want now most of all is a COMPLETELY SAFE roll out of the new energy source. And this requires folks to understand the inherent dangers with the new LENR stuff they are working with ...... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 12/02/18 at 08:46:46 At the end of this upcoming month (January) Rossi will show off the Ecat SK working in an industrial plant as a source of large hot water space heating. He will also start taking orders at that point for installations (Leonardo retains all control and ownership, Leonardo just provides heat at a discount to those who meet the secure location criteria, etc.) We are now seeing a coordinated media attack using out of context old blurbs from all over the 13 intervening years, calling Rossi a fraud and saying the E-cat is bogus (comments were originally aimed at older E-Cat generations, generally speaking, but the point is all the same). We expect that the original authors will not appreciate this misuse of their out of context words, as they are actually going be the ones to look ignorant when the demo is made and the E-Cat sells in as a solid technology. Big Oil would be one source that would have the motivation for such an EXPENSIVE and extensive media attack. So would petro-driven Russia (who would stand to lose a chunk of their major national income source which is all oil and natural gas based). This approach feels Russian, it is the same approach as was used in our recent elections. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 12/10/18 at 15:42:16 http://e-catworld.com/2018/12/10/blp-suncell-test-to-destruction-video/ This is the video link below, click on it to run the meltdown video. Takes Mills less than a minute to destroy 7 months worth of work. https://youtu.be/-wvMmdF8gBM < click on the red link to watch the video <<<<<< You can see why Randal Mills and Brilliant Light are losing backers right and left at the moment, Mills still has no real control of his reaction at all. Mills is still searching for his controllable reaction, and he has gone through DOZENS of reactor design iterations so far with the same exact results. Rossi could not have paid for a better set up video for his calm, boring demo of a safe reliable space heating LENR plant. Boring is good, certainly when compared to this very expensive and dangerous sort of nonsense. You have to wonder what sorts of radiations Mills and his boys have gotten themselves exposed to ....... something bad although their cumulative exposure times will have been necessarily very very short. ;D From the Comments section: Anon2012_2014 • 10 hours ago It is clear that the discolored segment of the reactor vessel is receiving excess heat from the interior, perhaps from hydrino reactions (or to rule it out electrical or conventional chemical), or perhaps from another source. It then rapidly overheats until the metal of the reactor vessel no longer has the strength to hold into the interior gas contents and blows out. At that point, the hot plume of gas escapes the reactor while what appear to be "sparks" of combusting iron on exposure to air (from what may be the reactor vessel alloy) also go flying out. The blowout is not as interesting as what was happening on the inside to heat that portion of the reactor vessel and not the rest of it. A diagram should show that right away. Assuming there is only a small amount of O2 inside the vessel and that it is evenly mixed with the H2, there is no explanation for why the smaller 3 inch section of the vessel gets incandescently hot and not the entire vessel. This may be due to the arc method of ignition in the BLP rig selectively heating that area, or due to the hypothesized hydrino reaction occurring at the surface of the arc Now somebody will attack Rossi for his "recent dangerous failure" knowing perfectly well that it was Randal Mills and the BLP Hydrino people's test and not Rossi's test at all. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by verslagen1 on 12/11/18 at 08:06:12 Haven't been able to read the comment section for awhile now. Do you have to sign up to the site or could it be something our web security has done? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by verslagen1 on 12/11/18 at 11:34:45 something is definitely wrong with the test setup. Bolts don't glow red during the conduct of a test. Must've been no pressure involved or the endcap would've blown off. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 12/11/18 at 19:26:09 Reading the comments is now getting deep into transformational physics, something which is so theoretical that it can come across as rather "mystical sounding" at times. You can liquefy metals at low temperatures, you can form glowing plasmas at room temperature, you can disrupt materials and change the materials in small locations, sometimes disrupting the desired properties of your reactor vessel in unfortunate ways (see Mills video above). Mills has gone back to his clear quartz glass reactor vessels again, steel apparently isn't something that is going to work reliably for him at all. Yes, Excess Energy can be had, but when you play around with transformational energy you can expect to see the strange radiation effects that come along with it and, well, some unplanned material transformations can take place in your reactor vessel itself if you make it out of steel. What is good shielding? Mylar plastic and aluminum foil layers, repeated 4-6 times. A "space blanket" is fairly good shielding ....... same stuff that has been found at UFO crash sites and was discounted as an experimental weather balloon material back in the 50's. Yes, Versy, you need to sign up for the site now as they will kick folks off fairly quickly now for acting trollish. The whole site gets attacked by persons unknown at times and unless you are known (registered) you can't get back on when it comes back up. The entire E-Cat World site thing acts like it is under siege sometimes. =================================================== News from the last week or so ...... First Commercial E-Cat Installation cranked up November 19th ...... it is a 27 kilowatt rated circulating hot water heating system that operates off a standard commercial on-off thermostat with a 5 degree temperature variation in the on-off function. This means on-off cycling the E-Cat can happen inside a 2-3 minute time span ...... Rossi is now building up the 10s of thousands of hours of safe operation needed to apply for other more home based safety certifications. Rossi is now ready to go sell some heat, his commercial certifications are in order and he is ready to go. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 01/16/19 at 07:18:28 As we barrel down on the E-Cat presentation any new information is becoming very sparse, but this nugget released by Matts is very very real sounding. Rossi is OK'ing some new Info from Matts Lewan, his biographer and publicist of many years now. The information released is "background info that is needed to be understood to understand the demo in a full fashion" and seems to be just that, critical info that if not pre-distributed would result in a demo clogged up with way too too many background questions instead of paying attention to the main points being shown. https://animpossibleinvention.com/2019/01/16/the-moment-of-truth-is-getting-close-with-launch-on-january-31st/ At the online presentation (more info at http://www.ecatskdemo.com) Rossi plans to show a two-hour video of a device already in operation, reportedly heating an industrial premises of about 250 square meters in the US to 25°C since Nov 19, 2018. At the presentation, he will provide details regarding the commercial launch, but here is what I have been told and what I have concluded so far: The actual device, containing one reactor, has a maximum thermal power output of 35 kW. It measures 93x40x47 cm, and it consumes a small amount of electricity for the control system. The customer pays for the output thermal energy minus the input electric energy which is fed from an outlet in the customer’s premises, with the electric measurement controlled by the customer. The core temperature inside the reactor reportedly reaches a temperature about 10,000°C, heating a coolant through an in-built heat exchanger. The standard version of the E-Cat can heat water or steam up to 500-600°C. Using a different heat exchanger and other coolants, significantly higher temperatures can be reached, essentially limited only by the material properties of the heat exchanger. The heating device is called the E-Cat SK, named after late Swedish physicist Sven Kullander, and could be considered the fourth generation of the E-Cat technology which is based on LENR, Low Energy Nuclear Reactions, easiest described as radiation-free nuclear power; It has the extremely high energy density of nuclear reactions compared to chemical reactions, but emits almost no radiation, uses no radioactive fuel, produces no radioactive waste, and uses only minute amounts of abundant elements such as hydrogen, nickel, lithium and aluminium. LENR is a physical phenomenon which has been confirmed in scientific experiments and reported in over a hundred peer-reviewed papers over the last decades, albeit with low repeatability. However, a widely accepted theory explaining the physics behind LENR is still lacking. Industrialisation of the E-Cat SK has been going on for about a year, since the demo of its predecessor, the QX, in Stockholm, Sweden in December 2017. It contains no unusual components and could easily be manufactured by subcontractors at any time now, at a pace of thousands of units a day. The two main aspects of the E-Cat technology that are kept secret by the inventor are the fuel preparation and the electronic control system. The E-Cat SK is monitored remotely. It is sealed and essential parts will auto-destruct if the seal is broken. In earlier generations of the E-Cat technology, the energy producing reaction was started essentially by heating the reactor slowly, while in the the third and fourth generation—the E-Cat QX and the SK—the reaction is started and stopped instantaneously by a control system using electric and electromagnetic means. The reaction emits very low levels of electromagnetic radiation—the same kind as e.g. light, radio waves, and microwaves. The wavelength is essentially between 300 and 330 nanometers, slightly shorter than UV-light from the sun. No other kind of radiation from the E-Cat has ever been detected. Inside the device casing but outside the reactor, at a distance of 1 cm from the reactor wall, the radiation level is reportedly between 0.06 and 0.16 µSv/h—slightly above background level which is 0.05-0.07 µSv/h—in a day adding up to approximately one arm X-ray. Outside the device, however, the radiation level from the process is zero, due to shielding. [Comment:] The reported radiation value in µSv (micro Sievert) might be irrelevant since Sievert is a unit describing health effects from doses of so called ionising radiation, i.e. radiation with energy levels high enough to detach electrons from atoms or molecules. The lowest energy level required for radiation to be ionising is 10 eV per photon which corresponds to a wavelength of about 120 nanometers. With wavelengths of 300 to 330 nanometers, the radiation from the E-Cat reaction is carried by photons with an energy of about 4 eV, thus clearly non-ionising. As a comparison, photon energies in medical X-rays are more than 10,000 times higher, ranging from about 50,000 to 100,000 eV. Fulvio Fabiani gets his due credit By the way, I would like to share my impression that the groundbreaking control system of the E-Cat QX and the SK, is the result of a kind of dreamteam consisting of the genius Andrea Rossi, with elusive and creative ideas about physics and about what he thinks could be possible, and of electric engineer and computer scientist Fulvio Fabiani, not only being an expert on electronics but also being capable of interpreting Rossi’s wild and hard-to-grasp ideas, transforming them into real electronic circuits actually performing the job Rossi had in mind. Folks, scam artists don't worry about "giving the correct credit that is due" while DOCUMENTING all the gut details of a scam ....... these folks are writing for the history books and in fact Matts Lewan is in fact writing the definitive historical source document as we speak. This bit was new (new to me anyway). The core temperature inside the reactor reportedly reaches a temperature about 10,000°C, heating a coolant through a built-in heat exchanger. The standard version of the E-Cat can heat water or steam up to 500-600°C. Using a different heat exchanger and other coolants, significantly higher temperatures can be reached, essentially limited only by the material properties of the heat exchanger. Some sort of fission reactor cooling tech is being used here as "10,000 degrees C down to 600 degrees C inside a built in heat exchanger" is the key secret that has eluded Randal Mills and his Brilliant Power crew so far. It also explains why Rossi builds such TINY plug-in type reactor cells. Rossi KNOWS the service life of his little reactors and they plug in and out like batteries do simply because they are done after a little over a year of use. Why? Transformation reactors change the very structural materials they are built from as well as the fuel they "burn". Mills took the track of "clear as glass and strong as hell" using constantly refreshed fuel but he then simply melted his reactor down (a dozen times at least) because quartz glass may transmit 99% of the light readily, but it stops some of it and it just gets hotter and hotter and hotter accordingly. None of Mills reactors have lasted anywhere near a year yet, not by a long shot. The E-Cat reactor inside a heat exchanger inside a heat exchanger also inherently provides the needed SHIELDING, not so much from the upper level EUV radiation but from the "strange radiation" which is getting the additional shielding layers put in place until it is all fully understood and mapped out. Countertop microwaves and dentists X-ray machines are examples of "potentially dangerous" equipment that can be UL certified after they are fully understood and properly shielded. Rossi is fixated on not harming anybody with his reactor, ever. He gets reminded of this every time he speaks or looks in a mirror. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 01/18/19 at 02:36:37 Nuggets of brand new stuff tare coming second hand from discussions with Matts, which then are asked of Rossi and then confirmed by Rossi with mild additional information added. Mats Lewan Dr. Mike • 2 days ago 1. If you have a few customers replacing existing heat sources with the E-Cat SK, they will soon be able to tell whether the E-Cat provides the same thermal power as the previous system since they know their own process and its energy consumption well. And since the input electric power supposedly is a fraction of the output power, we don't need exact numbers. Just a definite observation that the E-Cat produces much more thermal power than the input electric power. 2. Rossi told me that the plasma in the reactor core heats the wall of the primary side of the heat exchanger directly. No fluid, or possibly air or some gas used in the core. Mats Lewan GiveADogABone • 16 hours ago Interesting. Remember that what has made the transition from the 20-40W QX to the 35 kW SK is essentially only a more effective way to transfer heat from the reactor core as far as I have understood. It's basically the same reactor but operating at full power instead of with a very limited power due to risk for overheating and melting down. GiveADogABone Mats Lewan • 11 hours ago The QX radiation has to pass through the transparent ceramic? cylindrical tube to reach the heat exchanger surface. The SK removes that obstruction in the manner you state. Your 'more effective way to transfer heat' is the removal of the transparent tube which must have its own temperature/pressure limits and just gets in the way of the radiation. The removal of the transparent tube will also make the SK much more robust, particularly to thermal shock. Once the whole construction (pressure tubes and vacuum tank) is high temperature metal alloys that can be cooled by internal water flow channels much higher powers must be available (cf. an internally cooled gas turbine engine). I note the 100kW version of the SK is in R&D : Andrea Rossi January 17, 2019 at 11:01 AM Toussaint Francois: The SK 100 is in the R&D phase. I have no idea where the size/power limit might be. OK, this 4 party exchange brings up new facts, there is a new variant of E-Cat with potentially much higher outputs than 35 kilowatts --- 100 kilowatts is the first mentioned numbers. Second, unnamed 100 kw reactor is the same size as the existing SK reactor, but the unnamed does not have a quartz tube in it to melt down, it simply has all radiation directly impinging on fast pumped coolant coils which use excess cooling capacity to keep things in control. Once again, better cooling is the key that unlocks higher power levels. At 100 kw reactor output, whole house power, heat and cooling from a single reactor Trane Central Unit become theoretically possible. Doubling the reactors to two would provide ample service backup for a constant function unit. When the 100 kw unit proves out, you unlock the potential automobile uses providing the net cooling system on the car can handle the heat spikes. Cars then enter into the discussion, most likely as a constant run generator system that charges a moderate sized battery set on an otherwise electric vehicle. Once again, two reactors to provide service backup would be needed. Also note, the current size of the reactor and primary heat exchanger still remain mostly the same at 100 kw, but cartridge replacement frequency would likely be a factor of miles driven. The same power generation technology developed for cars works in houses and vice versa, so new advancements in power generation off of LENR heat will be quite rapidly accomplished. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 01/22/19 at 06:57:09 Leonardo Corporation to Introduce Revolutionary New E-Cat SK Heating Technology in Worldwide Broadcast (Press Release) Posted on January 21, 2019 • 45 Comments The following press release has been published by Leonardo Corporation, and the original is posted here: https://www.prweb.com/releases/leonardo_corporation_to_introduce_revolutionary_new_e_cat_sk_heating_technology_in_worldwide_broadcast/prweb16046298.htm Leonardo Corporation to Introduce Revolutionary New E-Cat SK Heating Technology in Worldwide Broadcast The E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) is a newly-developed heating technology with an extremely high power density that will provide industrial-grade heat at costs well below those of conventional heating sources. In a live online broadcast on January 31, 2019, the E-Cat’s inventor, Dr. Andrea Rossi, will introduce the first commercial E-Cat product, show a demonstration of the technology, and answer questions from interested viewers. MIAMI (PRWEB) JANUARY 21, 2019 Leonardo Corporation is pleased to announce that it will be presenting the worldwide introduction of its E-Cat SK product, a revolutionary cost-efficient clean energy technology, in a live streaming broadcast on January 31, 2019. The E-Cat operates on the basis of physical principles which allow for energy production at power densities far higher than with fossil fuels. No radioactive fuels are used, and no radioactive waste is produced. The E-Cat SK produces kilowatts of energy while consuming only grams of inexpensive and abundant fuel (hydrogen, nickel, lithium) over a period of six months. E-Cat reactions do not involve any chemical combustion, so no greenhouse gas emissions are produced. The E-Cat’s inventor, Andrea Rossi states, “I am delighted to have arrived at the point where I can introduce an industrial product to the world. My goal has always been not only to demonstrate an important discovery in a laboratory, but also to implement it into useful products that can have important benefits for mankind. E-Cat technology will allow businesses to become more profitable through the reduction of their thermal energy costs, and at the same time they will be reducing negative environmental impacts.” Dr. Rossi has patented the E-Cat in the United States (US patent no. US 9,115,913 B1) and the patent has also been granted in all of Europe, China, Russia, Japan, Mexico, Brazil, Chile, Australia, South Africa, and is pending in other countries. The E-Cat SK is a product designed to be used in industrial settings where heat is required, ranging from simple space heating to applications where high temperatures are needed, including electricity generation. Leonardo’s business model is based on delivering heat as a service. Leonardo retains ownership of the E-Cats and will install and remotely operate them. Customers pay for heat delivered at costs that will always be significantly lower (at least 20 percent lower) than the cost of any other energy source the customer may use. The live broadcast will begin on January 31st at 9:00 a.m. US Eastern time at http://www.ecatskdemo.com. Live participants will be able to submit questions to Dr. Rossi who will answer them live during the presentation. Instructions on how to submit questions will be provided at the website above at the commencement of the presentation. The event will be recorded and be made available for later viewing. Companies interested in discussing possible incorporation of E-Cat technology in their industrial operations are invited to contact Leonardo Corporation at info@leonardocorp1996.com https://www.prnewswire.com/... (companion site to prweb) http://www.wboc.com/story/3... (Fox, DelMar, VA) https://www.nbc-2.com/story... (Fort Meyers broadcaster) http://www.erienewsnow.com/... (Erie, PA) This is being reported as straight news. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 01/24/19 at 12:11:19 https://e-catworld.com/2019/01/24/new-brilliant-light-suncell-video/ Brilliant Light is struggling to show the world a working Suncell unit that can last more than 12 minutes. Notice that none of their latest crop of videos ever last for more than a minute or so before getting the video feed cut off abruptly. Also notice the rather hurried and crude welding that shows up on this last one as they struggle and rush to get something out there before Rossi's demo. Yep, it is a simple welding up plate stainless steel metal cube that is slowly building up to a melt down yet again ...... https://youtu.be/zL3W-0Kiozg ........ power on takes place at 0:25 seconds and shut down at 1:14 so the entire run was less than 90 seconds |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by verslagen1 on 01/24/19 at 13:56:11 Un-even heating says it should be a sphere. I would use inconel or unobtainium but if it's a heating problem, it should be double walled with coolant flowing between. phd's w/out a lick of sense. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 01/25/19 at 02:53:02 Overheating and melting down has always been a common theme with these things. Rossi went VERY VERY TINY at first simply so he could run it safely on faucet pressure water flow for enough months to get his control system worked out, going through at least 3 major controller revisions with a ton of help from ABB personnel. Then he began working on balancing out ever increasing cooling and work loads, going up and up in power off the same reactor as he developed better and better cooling systems. He now has a commercially salable unit now at 37 real known kilowatts per reactor balanced against simply making hot water for plant heating systems. He also made up a remote controlled marketing plan to "sell the heat" and protect his IP as well as can be reasonably done. Please realize that ROSSI'S DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS DO NOT STOP and Rossi can upgrade his "you just buy the heat" installations endlessly if he needs to simply by showing up with new controller equipment and technicians at reactor replacement time. This is part of his long term contract, BTW. This Rossi E-cat stuff will get better and better over time ...... his next milestone that he has worked on but has not shown yet is a small refrigerant gas turbine system making electricity as the main energy output and also is still producing hot water as the final cooling dump to the entire system. This is your off grid home battery wall unit charging, hot water based home heating system and your electrical automotive battery home plug in charging system all in one unit. Rossi will eventually lose all his secrets to his imitators who will actually then start to develop patentable parallel ways to achieve the same results. You cannot patent LENR itself as a transformational energy source since it happens in nature (volcanoes, arc spot lights and mercury vapor lamps prove this). Competition will improve this stuff even faster. And in 5 days it will all kick off with a 2 hour YouTube video and a small live presentation. ;D YOU ARE THERE as history is being made. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 01/26/19 at 23:01:57 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274644934_On_the_Nuclear_Mechanisms_Underlying_the_Heat_Production_by_the_E-Cat It is 4 days until Presentation Day ...... Rossi has just posted a second technical paper at ResearchGate.com which compiles his current thoughts and those of his fellow researchers (both living and dead) in a more exhaustive fashion. He gives full thought credit to many others as the topics are broached and he makes it clear that he is NOT the first to think these things, he is just the stubborn cuss that stuck with it until it worked finally. Rossi proposes a possible means of his new plasma based reactions being real and not giving off any harmful radiations that cannot be blocked by a paper thin layer of sheet metal and several layers of mylar and aluminum foil (a space blanket). This paper is also noted as a memorial to Sven Kullander, with whom Rossi communicated and was impressed with such that Rossi named the current first commercial plasma based E-cat after him, the SK model. Dr. Norman Cook and Rossi had earlier posted at ResearchGate a detailed theory of the solid lattice supported atomic interactions take place inside the lattice of the nickel metal that was used on his oldest reactors, expanding greatly the detail and mathematical proofs for these lattice supported interactions that achieve the results that Rossi saw. Dr. Norman Cook is MUCH better at presenting this stuff than Rossi is, Rossi is not a phd trained nuclear physicist theoretical guy, he is more of a self-trained entrepreneur who constructs physical equipment and measures the results, then does the next construction and measures those results. Rossi chased it down by doing it ..... theory to Rossi was simply about making his next step work correctly. It is obvious to anybody that LENR is a naturally occuring chain of potentially MANY different sorts of things that can result in these particle exchanges ..... they can happen inside a plasma or inside a solid metal lattice structure ...... What happens in the sun is the same sort of stuff that can happen inside a mercury vapor lamp or the earth's crust, the scale is different but some of the same items can happen in a volcano or an arc lamp as well. Other people are posting technical papers on their own experiments with varying sorts of methods, and some common themes are evolving enough to be considered a form of consensus. ;) I cannot really follow the technical heart of these various discussions at all --- I am not trained in these sub-atomic basics and the particle physics they are referring to are all way beyond me. In addition to its theoretical aspects, the paper describes an experiment conducted with the E-Cat SK, concluding that the COP of the E-Cat SK while running in non-excite SSM mode was: “COP2 = Eout/E2 >107 (SSM) Definitely a huge value! After 60 days of continued operation an E-Cat SK has produced (as we can and from a simple extrapolation) 31680kWh of heat, approximately the equivalent of 2762 kg of heating oil (avoiding, at same time, the emission of about 800 kg of CO2).” The huge calculated COP number actually became meaningless when it went past 2,000 a year or so ago. Now the new generation of Rossi-ABB controllers now pull so much less power to do the same job and they can cut the reaction on and off inside a few minutes using a common thermostat to control the zone heat. A more practical statement of COP can be made off the electric and gas meters of the customer's site, saying how much less $$$ are paid out when running a Rossi system. These figures will be calculated as a Return On Investment calculation that the site's Financial Officer will require to be done. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 01/27/19 at 01:18:25 The publishing of Rossi's paper has resulted in a fire storm from fusion research people. There are literally HUNDREDS of Fusion scientists sharpening their gutting knives right now, getting ready to fight intellectually for their ongoing project funding (which they quite rightly consider to be at risk from what Rossi is publishing and is getting ready to show by internet distribution in a few days). Rossi is a crank. Rossi is a fraud. Rossi is a convicted Con Man. Rossi is no form of scientist at all. repeat mantra endlessly Some of these statements are partially true, certainly in the eyes of mainstream Fusion scientists they are mostly true and somebody needs to go gut that silly crank. But soon they cannot argue that the small fusion SK reactor actually works and makes up a viable commercial avenue to get lower cost heat with NO BAD EYE HARMING LIGHT OR OTHER RADIATION existing outside the sealed reactor enclosure itself during run time and NO RESIDUAL RADIOACTIVE WASTE AT ALL, ever ....... and thus making up for some very small scale extremely cheap useable energy. More stuff is coming out of the closet now. NASA has a nickel lattice cold fusion reactor. DARPA has a cold fusion reactor. Japan (Mitsubishi) has a cold fusion reactor. The Navy has a cold fusion reactor (bought it from Rossi). Funding levels on this sort of research are relatively inexpensive to do and it has been pursued quietly on several levels. Rossi however figured out how to make it work, cheaply, and is doing it commercially. Rossi has now gone to market safely selling heat based off his process. Faced with the first real commercial product, Science will have to adjust as it has done over the centuries -- kicking and screaming all the way. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 02/01/19 at 10:38:12 The demo has come and gone and Leonardo is selling E-Cat Heat at 20% discount to your current costs (cost must be verified impartially). http://https://e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Firstecatadpng.png University central hot water heating plants (separated from public and private office spaces by at least always locked doors, security cameras and security patrol coverage) are considered suitable sites. COP and radiation verifications and sensing may be done by customers outside the E-Cat enclosure, but they customers may NOT open the E-Cat enclosure at any time or the equipment will self-destruct (all resulting damage and costs will be on the customer's dime). |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 02/01/19 at 10:59:27 https://animpossibleinvention.com/2019/02/01/my-take-on-the-e-cat-sk-presentation-rossi-now-takes-orders/ What does it look like inside? Matts Lewan explains ..... and posts pictures, carefully goes over the "known" development history. We are told by Matts Lewan that the SX and the SK are very similar and this is a pic of an early fuel-less SX power tube in use. Just fill the clear tube with Rossi's special fuel powders and gasses and you get a EUV plus super duper bright light that is turned into heat by impinging on the inside layers of cooled metal inside the inner reactor vessel wall -- this in turn heats up and provides hot water and steam to the customer ...... We are now told that the clear boron nitride tube has been done away with and the main reactor vessel wall is the inner wall of the cooling jacket. We are forced to perhaps think the Rossi fuel is now provided as a mixed dust to be vaporized by the intense output light. This dust could perhaps be renewed in place ???? Form a mental picture of a mercury vapor lamp acting on the mercury, turning it into a vapor which then coats everything and re-vaporizes quickly. http://https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0622a0350630228412b787b3be4e77db7bd63e93d3cf43e58ea65c69a57730d4.jpg?w=800&h=522 Rossi is all about balancing the heat produced such that it never melts the reactor down -- he needs a considerable coolant flow instantly available to drown out heat spikes which eventually will happen during the protracted SSM run times. It is a very simple device, really. The controller function is far more complex however. ::) Apart from the specifications Matts Lewan reported in his last blog post, From the presentation we also learned that: * the claimed COP (Coefficient of Performance—Output power/Input power) for the entire device is 57, with the electric input power being 380 W. However, the electric power is supposedly consumed almost entirely for cooling of the control panel and that heat is being reused at the output side at a net COP of 1 for all energy used either cooling or in running the control system. * The claimed power consumption of the E-Cat SK reactor proper is 0.8 mW, meaning that the COP for the reactor alone would be in the order of tens of millions during SSM. * The reactor could have a lifetime of about 20 years. * The fuel charge lasts at least one year, but it could last longer—Rossi has run the reactor for over a year on the same fuel charge and it has never been depleted. * The weight of the E-Cat SK is 9.1 kg. (20 pounds) * Rossi believes that the agriculture and food industry could be among the first to benefit from heat produced by the E-Cat SK. * Introduction of domestic E-Cat models will be based on certification that can be done only after a long time experience from a significant number of industrial installations. * Over time, Rossi would consider sales of the device in itself, but not in the first phase when the IP has to be protected. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 02/02/19 at 19:24:29 Each of the Rossi competitors are taking turns claiming some spotlight time, some for fictional "advancements" and some for the granting of partial patents for a process with a known very very poor COP. Issue with all of them is they ARE NOT NEARLY READY TO SELL ANYTHING ..... and unless Rossi stubs his toe quite badly the competitors are a year to 2 years behind Rossi and will tend to stay that way. Look for a Chinese competitor to start selling an illegal copied Rossi Rig sometime or another domestically inside China within the next year. Chinese industrial espionage is notorious and it is known they have been digging away at learning all of Rossi's process secrets. Brillouin is not above a 3 COP at this time unless they want to try to use some of the forbidden Rossi lithium tech that Industrial Heat shared with them and thus get their asses sued off by Rossi's legal team. Randal Mills and Brilliant Light Power's longest run before melting it all down again was 12 minutes ..... so, The Brilliant Light Sun Cell is not really a practical product while it is still stuck at that sort of self-destructing performance level. Rossi currently has a technical lock on things that will last a year or so, let's see what he can do with that initial lead before his secrets get re-discovered and widely disseminated. Rossi has laid in plans that go past his lifetime so expect his company and his partners to continue on even if somebody does manage to cap Rossi or give him some new forms of cancer or whatever. =================================================== Some of Rossi's critics have worked together with some of his boosters to translate the garbled gibberish into a written transcript that both sides agree is the best interpretation of the Rossi Speak presentation to date. The fact that the opposing camps can AGREE on what was said is the transcript's best "proof of accuracy" ....... https://www.lenr-forum.com/attachment/7481-automatic-transcript-of-jan-31-2019-ecat-sk-txt/ Clicking on this link downloads the text file to your computer. You then open up the text file to read it. ==================================================== Norwegian countries have other voices to listen to, distributor based communications given out in their own languages. In these local areas, based on distributor communications, some folks who are at the true large industrial end of things will supposedly be buying steam from Rossi devices at discounts of 30 to 50 percent, depending upon individual volume/time agreements. These are larger wholesale agreements on a truly large industrial volume basis. Heating Energy Costs in Scandinavian countries are VERY LARGE compared to heating costs inside the USA (especially in the deep South near Florida). These Scandinavian agreements are not puny retail sized agreements. Since these proposed multi-reactor Rossi plants are MUCH LARGER and are likely have 5x or more times the improved raw COP numbers (they are running 5-10 reactors off a single controller box after all) compared to the single reactor single controller USA installation. These Scandinavian industrial sized implementations all run for much longer durations of time during the long sunless Scandinavian winters so one can understand the potentially differing pricing discount percentages that are being discussed by the Scandinavian distributors. The point here is that normal negotiating techniques and normal local market forces are in play against these Rossi Scandinavian distributor's "provide some commercial heat" agreements. Rossi's distributors are taking in initial offers and are making up some enticing deals in return. =================================================== Question then becomes, will Rossi actually provide all the hardware and the web-based maintenance connection off a discounted distributor order and will Rossi be satisfied with the yet again reduced (by the distributor's profit margin) much smaller amounts of money the distributors will actually send on to him in exchange for his equipment and maintenance service? ::) :P :-/ Past relationships and history between Rossi and his distributors is VERY SPOTTY at best, historically. Rossi has no problem permanently cutting off a distributor who cannot obey his rules and he has done so repeatedly in the past. Industrial Heat actually quietly bought up all these failed Rossi distributorships that existed at one particular point in time for peanuts on the dollar simply to clear the air (and in their mind to achieve their total monopoly over Rossi Tech) because nothing was ever sold by those errant distributors because nothing was ever built and supplied by Rossi for them to ship at the sub-Rossi approved prices. Rossi has indeed royally screwed over dozens of distributors over the years ...... some could say they deserved that screwing for what they were doing to screw him first though. :P Big question ..... Distributors and Rossi actually honoring these reduced pricing deals that the distributors have made. The Answer to this important question is upcoming sometimes this year, with lawsuits to follow if needed. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 02/06/19 at 06:49:54 https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/i/0ERWbA/Hevder-a-ha-revolusjonerende-energi-til-salgs http://https://ap.mnocdn.no/images/a7c78c50-67e6-4146-98e8-0a269874f5bf?fit=crop&q=80&w=980 Rossi has hit the newspapers in Oslo with the newspaper in question doing a really somewhat better than normal job reporting on LENR items. This is the picture of the local recognized expert, Former director Nils Holme at the Norwegian Defense Research Institute, that they used as their source for the positive viewpoint. They also cited a balancing opposing source and view point from one of his old employees -- very fair reporting all in all I must say. The very fact that the paper also quoted from the same source using a different person for the opposing viewpoint is showing clearly that science is very divided on the general subject of LENR -- but it is interesting to point out the opposing person cited does not doubt the effects are real, just that nobody can explain how it works. - Relatively skeptical viewpoint The Norwegian Defense Research Institute published a report last year on the entire LENR field. It was written by researcher Jon Øistein Hasvold and approved by today's management at the department. Hasvold did not attend the demonstration, but is considerably more skeptical than Holme. Hasvold writes in the report's conclusion that he perceives LENR as a real phenomenon, and that it is documented beyond any reasonable doubt that LENR creates a heat development which "cannot be explained by traditional chemical thermodynamics". |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 02/07/19 at 05:34:34 https://e-catworld.com/2019/02/07/google-university-of-maryland-file-patent-based-on-high-density-electron-clouds/ Google, University of Maryland File Patent based on ‘High Density Electron Clouds’ Here is the abstract: Enhanced Coulomb repulsion screening around light element nuclei is achieved by way of utilizing electromagnetic (EM) radiation to induce plasmon oscillations in target structures (e.g., nanoparticles) in a way that produces high density electron clouds in localized regions of the target structures, thereby generating charge density variations around light element atoms located in the localized regions. Each target structure includes an electrically conductive body including light elements (e.g., a metal hydride/deuteride/tritide) that is configured to undergo plasmon oscillations in response to the applied EM radiation. The induced oscillations causes free electrons to converge in the localized region, thereby producing transient high electron charge density levels that enhance Coulomb repulsion screening around light element (e.g., deuterium) atoms located in the localized regions. Various systems capable of implementing enhanced Coulomb repulsion screening are described, and various nanostructure compositions and configurations are disclosed that serve to further enhance fusion reaction rates. http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=20190043624.PGNR.&OS=dn/20190043624&RS=DN/20190043624 The term ‘high density electron clouds’ is familiar in connection with the E-Cat. Rossi’s recent paper “E-Cat SK and long range particle interactions” starts with this sentence in the abstract: “Some theoretical frameworks that explore the possible formation of dense exotic electron clusters in E-Cat SK are presented.” The Google/U of Maryland Patent talks about ‘low energy fission’ in the ‘Field of Invention’ section: The present invention relates specifically to the generation of the light-Nuclei elements (LNEs) Lithium, Beryllium and Boron by the process of low energy fission, breaking down, Carbon, Nitrogen, and Oxygen (CNOs) with the introduction of instability to the CNOs heavy stable isotopes through the application high-frequency radio waves at the NMR frequency, in the presence of a strong magnetic field, of the targeted source material. So, you got a major University and Google teaming up to do some elemental style research, filing patents off of what they understand that is basic and "new" in the Fission/Fusion realm. Rossi has already filed on the same general ‘high density electron clouds’ topic, except he's talking about using the ‘high density electron clouds’ conditional state to build up very light atoms, not taking apart some heavier elements into these same constituents. Basic Transmutation Physics as seen from both ends, in other words. =================================================== Never seen before ......... Mathematical theory sites asking the peanut gallery for "the historical references" behind some of Rossi's published mathematics. Some of the intent shown here is obviously critical in nature, but the fact they are taking the effort to check the bonafides is new -- main science has never taken it that seriously before. =================================================== As of Feb 20, 2019 Rossi has accepted new orders for his product and is engaged in new installations at this time. =================================================== The issue of the False Distributor has come up and has been answered most emphatically. WARNING TO THE READERS: THERE IS A COMPANY THAT IS PROPOSING IN THE INTERNET TO INVEST IN THE ECAT TECHNOLOGY. THE NAMES THIS COMPANY USES IS “E-CAT TECHNOLOGY” AND “E-CAT TECH”. PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT THEY ARE NOT OUR LICENSEES, THEY ARE NOT AUTHORIZED FROM US TO MAKE ANY KIND OF INVESTMENTS COLLECTION ON OUR BEHALF AND THAT OUR ATTORNEYS HAVE ALREADY TAKEN ACTION AGAINST THESE PERSONS I WANT TO STATE CLEARLY THAT LEONARDO CORPORATION WILL NEVER ALLOW THIS COMPANY, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, TO SELL OUR PRODUCTS ( NAMELY, THE ECAT ) IN ANY FORM AND WILL NEVER AUTHORIZE THEM TO SELL OUR SERVICES. PLEASE BE ADVISED. I AGAIN ENCOURAGE TO INFORM US OF ANY SIMILAR OFFER YOU RECEIVE FROM ANYBODY AND NOT TO PAY MONEY TO ANYBODY BEFORE HAVING OUR CONFIRMATION OF THE LEGITIMACY OF THE OFFER. WARM REGARDS DR ANDREA ROSSI, CEO OF LEONARDO CORPORATION You must contact Rossi at Lenonardo to verify any special offers made by a distributor before paying anybody anything. Failure to do so may have you wind up with your money GONE and no recourse for you to pursue as you did not verify the deal with Rossi directly as you were CLEARLY told to do. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 02/21/19 at 20:39:46 Rossi is beginning to make Frank Acland a little tired always having to "Rossi-Translate" into colloquial English what he is trying to communicate. Rossi: ‘Momentous Events’ Have Taken Place Following E-Cat Presentation Posted on February 19, 2019 • 130 Comments I have been curious to find out more about the impact of Leonardo Corporation’s presentation in terms of customer interest, so I asked a few questions about it on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: Frank Acland February 18, 2019 at 5:27 PM Dear Andrea, Since the event on Jan 31st, can you say which of the following you have done? a) Responded to inquiries from potential customers. b) Made agreements with new customers. c) Built E-Cat SK plants for new customers. d) Delivered new E-Cat SK plants to new customers. e) Monitored E-Cat SK installations remotely. Andrea Rossi’s reply: Andrea Rossi February 18, 2019 at 6:43 PM Frank Acland: a) yes b) on course c) on course d) on course e) yes After these 18 days from the presentation of January 31st I can say that momentous events happened that are strongly reinforcing our situation. This allows me to confirm that the presentation of http://www.ecatskdemo.com has been very successful and that our target has been fully reached in perfect equilibrium with our possibilities. Thanks also to the magnificent work made by you and Thomas Florek. Before the presentation , if you remember, I told you both ” Acland at the piano, Florek at the guitar and concertina, Rossi at the drums: if the Ecat doesn’t work, we have a plan B”: it appears the plan B will not be necessary. Warm Regards, A.R. By ‘on course’ I think Rossi means that these things are in process, but not yet completed. As he mentions that momentous events have happened, he does seem to be very satisfied with how things have gone so far. Plan B might have been fun, but I doubt it would have been very momentous. We will have to watch and see if any evidence for plan A materializes. So, Plan A is sell industrial heat installations to industrial customers, Plan B is to start up a small band if Plan A doesn't work out. Frank Acland February 21, 2019 at 10:19 AM Dear Andrea, Can you explain what you mean when you write about the ‘unexpected success’ of the January 31 presentation. Were you not expecting to have much success? Kind regards, Frank Acland Andrea Rossi February 21, 2019 at 12:24 PM Frank Acland: We expected to have success, but not the results we are having, that are well beyond our expectations. No plan B. Warm Regards, A.R. Rossi is having "success beyond his expectations" on his initial "sales of heat" site selections and arrangements AND on his 100 kw reactor size testing (same reactor as before, just run a little hotter on the controller programming because that particular location is site tuned to go against a larger/better cooling load situation). Individual customers are hitting up Rossi with TOTAL SECRECY non-disclosure agreements intended to keep the customer's name and installation locations totally secret which I guess makes sense as the 50% heat cost discount rate seems to be somewhat common in the very large (many months out of the year) Scandinavian heating contract installations that will run a years long contract for much longer periods of time. Keeping this potential millions of dollars in "unannounced & unexpected profit" totally a business secret seems to be a goal of these companies, so they want to keep all these cards held tight up against their vest right now. This secrecy won't hold up for long, obviously, but it won't be Rossi that breaks it ...... the oil distributor/supplier who gets his orders cut will have a business driven reason to want to leak this distressing news so he can collect damages in court due to breach of contract. Once these oil contracts all run out, more openness may be able to take place. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by jcstokes on 02/21/19 at 21:02:42 At one stage you seemed to think that ABB had something to do with Rossi and his process, is this true? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 02/21/19 at 21:09:04 Yes, ABB electrical engineers and programmers did the internet based controllers and the automated production lines and ABB is able to do the actual site installations for Rossi (they have the manpower and world-wide facilities to do this). ABB is also accomplished at being able to keep their mouths shut which they do for many different customers and source suppliers. It is thought that the Rossi controller lines are located at several ABB regional facilities, but obviously this is not officially known at this time. Reactor shell construction is farmed out, but custom materials and powder mixing and reactor loading are all done at a Leonardo site. Rossi is now struggling with the growth aspect of his roll in, and is answering it by off-loading every non-secret function to confidential business partners like ABB. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by jcstokes on 02/21/19 at 21:19:38 At one stage you seemed to think that ABB had something to do with Rossi and his process, is this true? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 02/21/19 at 21:45:28 ABB knows a very great deal, but Rossi has likely held back on several key process items and materials. Certainly he holds back his developmental process knowledge and his plans for "the next step" --- there is always a next step with Rossi as his brain keeps on working and his upgrade stages keep coming every 2 years, roughly. If Rossi dropped dead, ABB could likely carry on development on the current step without Rossi, just not as well or as quickly ...... ==================================================== https://e-catworld.com/2019/02/21/exotic-spiraling-electrons-discovered-by-physicist-rutgers-university-news-release/ A research team at Rutgers University goes looking for the surface effects everyone has been posting pics of (spirals and screw pits in nickel granules, spirals in photo plates, etc. etc. -- i.e. the strange radiation marks) So, a proper lab research group went to go debunk all that "crazy talk" (light goes directly into matter and matter goes directly into light) sort of thing, and guess what, they FOUND the spiral effects instead ...... RUTGERS UNIVERISTY, PUBLIC RELEASE: 18-FEB-2019 Rutgers and other physicists have discovered an exotic form of electrons that spin like planets and could lead to advances in lighting, solar cells, lasers and electronic displays. It’s called a “chiral surface exciton,” and it consists of particles and anti-particles bound together and swirling around each other on the surface of solids, according to a study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Chiral refers to entities, like your right and left hands, that match but are asymmetrical and can’t be superimposed on their mirror image. Excitons form when intense light shines on solids, kicking negatively charged electrons out of their spots and leaving behind positively charged “holes,” according to lead author Hsiang-Hsi (Sean) Kung, a graduate student in Physics Professor Girsh Blumberg’s Rutgers Laser Spectroscopy Lab at Rutgers University-New Brunswick. The electrons and holes resemble rapidly spinning tops. The electrons eventually “spiral” towards the holes, annihilating each other in less than a trillionth of a second while emitting a kind of light called “photoluminescence.” This finding has applications for devices such as solar cells, lasers and TV and other displays. The scientists discovered chiral excitons on the surface of a crystal known as bismuth selenide, which could be mass-produced and used in coatings and other materials in electronics at room temperature. “Bismuth selenide is a fascinating compound that belongs to a family of quantum materials called ‘topological insulators,'” said senior author Blumberg, a professor in the Department of Physics and Astronomy in the School of Arts and Sciences. “They have several channels on the surface that are highly efficient in conducting electricity.” The dynamics of chiral excitons are not yet clear and the scientists want to use ultra-fast imaging to further study them. Chiral surface excitons may be found on other materials as well. Rutgers co-authors include doctoral students Xueyun Wang and Alexander Lee, and Board of Governors Professor Sang-Wook Cheong in Rutgers Center for Emergent Materials, who developed the ultra-pure crystals for this study. Professor Dmitrii Maslov and graduate student Adamya Goyal at the University of Florida and principal investigator Alexander Kemper at North Carolina State University contributed to theory development and the interpretation of results. http://https://media.eurekalert.org/multimedia_prod/pub/web/193052_web.jpg |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 02/26/19 at 22:00:02 THIS IS FUNNY University departments are writing new grant proposals to get some of the .gov money that is being offered "to develop new sources of energy". They aren't doing research, they are doing Pons and Fleischman bubble tube replications to "verify" the state of the art. They are ripping off your tax dollars to line their departmental budgets in other words. There is a published list now of the top 100 "highest scientific level" replications of Pons and Fleischman --- and this for a published experiment with clear rules that the same top level institution flat out said didn't work 20 years ago -- mainly because they couldn't/wouldn't follow the instructions ...... Run Rossi, run. The establishment is coming after you, at last --- they are only 20 years behind you now so HURRY Rossi, run faster. What is ironic is that some of these grant proposals are being written at places that have had freshmen doing Pons and Fleischman experiments in chemistry labs every year for the last 10 years as a lab exercise in detailed calorimetry. Pons and Fleischman is an excellent lab exercise to show the dangers of casual errors in set up and in calorimetry. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 03/02/19 at 00:15:08 https://e-catworld.com/2019/03/01/oyama-power-japanese-company-claims-successful-startup-of-cold-fusion-reactor/ You need to look at this to decide how serious this release really is. It could be serious, it could be an experiment, it could be ....... whatever. Japanese news releases don't mean the same thing as an American news release necessarily. Too much is left in the realm of "cultural inference" especially if it is release on Japanese popular media. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 03/03/19 at 15:30:06 Somebody (McEk likely) has tweeked Rossi's nose concerning photo-voltaic electricity generation using the "wasted 10%" electrical portion of his reactor's normal output, or by using the considerable light that is produced by the reactor to generate enough photo-voltaic power to local store and thus power and run a completely self-contained mobile E-Cat unit. The DARPA boys would likely want to see this for remote military uses, as would any potential electric car "ongoing" built in recharging systems. This obviously dovetails with any tiny gas turbine units that might be built as well. RVs, camping, off-grid cabins and the new tiny homes ....... lots of people see a clear need for a little bitty LENR recharging system ...... Rossi: Working on Direct Electricity Production from the E-Cat via Photovoltaics True to form, Andrea Rossi is embarking on another round of improvement of the E-Cat. He has been mentioning recently that he is working on direct electrical production from the E-Cat, and making some progress. Gerard McEk asked a question about the need to continue the R&D effort when he has just launched the industrial E-Cat SK: Gerard McEk March 2, 2019 at 3:20 PM Dear Andrea, I’m a bit surprised that you are still further researching the E-cat as I understood from a previous question that you would be putting all your energy in getting the E-cat into full production and acquiring more orders in this period. Is there a special reason that you continued researching the E-Cat on its direct electrical output capabilities? Thanks and kind regards, Gerard Rossi’s reply: Andrea Rossi March 3, 2019 at 3:36 AM Gerard McEk: We are a high technology company. R&D can never stop. When a company like Leonardo Corporation stops R&D its death starts its course. We are making important inventions that are the future of us, while we are focusing on the diffusion of our Ecats. When our competitors will reach what we are doing now ( it will take 3-5 years at the least ), we will be again years ahead of them with our new “divisions”. Warm Regards, A.R. When asked about the means of direct electrical production he was working on, Rossi stated: “We are studying a new kind of P.V. system.” Pekka Janhunen asked, “How large conversion efficiency do you want for direct electricity production, in order to consider it worthwhile? Is ten percent enough?” Rossi responded, “Yes”. So the R&D continues, soon after the initial product launch. I suppose this is not too surprising, as this is the case with almost all technology companies. Rossi is a driven inventor, and has is eye on competition. I think he expects competitors to have success and wants to make sure he is always well ahead of them. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 03/11/19 at 07:20:43 https://e-catworld.com/2019/03/11/rossi-working-on-new-system-for-direct-electricty-production/ Rossi: Working on ‘New System’ for Direct Electricty Production. Posted on March 11, 2019 • 0 Comments If I am not misinterpreting Andrea Rossi’s comments, it sounds like he has recently changed course in terms of trying to develop a system for generating electricity directly from an E-Cat. Here’s a Q&A from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today (March 11, 2019) Red Shields March 11, 2019 at 2:50 AM Dr Rossi, I did not inderstand: are you working to invent a new kind of P.V. or to invent a new system to generate electricity directly from the reactor we saw on http://www.ecatskdemo.com ? Andrea Rossi March 11, 2019 at 6:43 AM Red Shields: We are working on producing directly electricity from the reactor with a new system. Warm Regards, A.R. On March 3rd, when asked whether he was using existing photovoltaic cells or using a new type, Rossi stated that he was “inventing a new cell”. On March 7th, Rossi wrote “Recently we added magnets ( two poles, four poles ) with adjustable positions around the Ecat.” So maybe this is a clue regarding how they are seeking to generate electricity. Perhaps he and his team have discovered that there is a better way to produce electricity directly from the E-Cat, rather than using photovoltaics. UPDATE: OK, several reputable research sources have released new information on chirality (spin direction of electrons) being affected by magnetics in the last 2 months, and now Rossi is working with strong permanent magnets to create an organizing strong magnetic field around his little bitty plasma ball inside his E-Cat SK reactor. It is an experiment. If the experiment pans out Rossi may be coining a new version name for the new modified reactor. Rossi is paying attention to the rising tide of LENR research, but he is only one person and he rightly sees that this huge level of LENR interest can overlap him very quickly as soon as his secret sauce gets outed if he is not keeping up with the change wave and filing for new patents. If Rossi can get another basic patent granted to him (on a stable good means of electricity generation directly from the LENR plasma) then he has another stake in the sand to hold on better when the hurricane of progress comes to blow on past him. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 03/12/19 at 12:00:33 https://youtu.be/GJz0T7lCWRg It is a short YouTube, click on it and watch it until it gets all familiar to you from the point you started watching the story. Great review of the very early Rossi years, making the flow of progress become more understandable. From the description, here are the topics covered: A brief summary of significant events involving Andrea Rossi’s E-cat. Includes interviews of the scientists who have tested it and their test results. This video covers: * The initial E-cat demonstrations in 2011 * The 32 day E-cat test, 2014 * The one year test 2015-2016 * The $89 million dollar lawsuit, 2017 * The Stockholm presentation, 2017 * The E-cat commercial 1 megawatt reactor product introduction This is worth viewing if you have questions or perhaps just now came in to this Rossi drama just recently. People keep on questioning "does it work?" even after a Federal court actually covered all that turf for them under oath (depositions) with Federal penalties sitting there for lying or for withholding evidence. This fact is credited with Industrial Heat's decision to settle in a private settlement just as soon as opening arguments in Federal Court were done, they knew they were off in the weeds and could see legal fraud actions for some of their choices done previously. Rossi is busy now taking and filling orders through 2 different distributor groups in addition to himself at Leonardo Corp, given this fact do you think that just maybe it works "good enough" for real people to spend their real money on it? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 03/15/19 at 09:24:24 https://youtu.be/XZkuteW_Q9k Click on it -- it is a YouTube showing a magnetic engine/generator that outputs more power than it uses and requires no outside power once power generation is started up. Inductance Energy Corporation (IEC) ‘Magnet Motor’ Earth Engine Shown Operating in Las Vegas Location https://e-catworld.com/2019/03/15/inductance-energy-corporation-iec-shows-installed-magnet-motor-in-las-vegas-video/ All of these new revelations are popping up now from various magnetic engine generator companies that supposedly are sucking on the earth's magnetic field in some fashion, in essence converting Earth's spin & magnetism to electricity through "forceful magnetic motion" which then drives a standard generator coil to make some output power. On the face of it, they do keep on moving long after air and bearing friction would have made them stop normally and they are supposedly "forceful" enough to spin a small generator in a positive output COP fashion. Larger versions (such as the one shown) can supposedly power four (4) normal households. They are not cheap to build or to buy. Multiple big powerful neodymian magnets and that level of precision machining and the precision electronic switching motion controls isn't cheap to build either. Long term, if they use up the Earth's magnetic fields extensively, what will we then do for a shield for the solar wind that the magnetic field of the earth currently deflects ????? ::) When Rossi finally hooks up his electrical output from his SK reactor we will be able to compare their relative cost/output ratios. I'm betting Rossi will be cheaper and a lot more portable ...... https://youtu.be/UbWkIKgehLI A new demo that brings up the question ----- how do you stop it quickly? Can you stop it quickly????? Rossi has several (4) new competitors now, some are using technology completely different and apart from LENR technology. ==================================================== There are 3 development groups now pushing this magnetic technology and seeking capital to build the next level of "magnetic motor energy source". One is the guys from Las Vegas, a second is South Korean and a third is German. Highest claimed output power is 25kw from the very largest of them, and that is stated as a 25kw maximum draw with no information on how long you can pull that amount of current out of the unit before having to step it back down. The units are HUGE moderate RPM gyroscopes (generally speaking) so they will never go inside a car or a motorcycle as a power source. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 03/27/19 at 21:04:41 https://e-catworld.com/2019/03/28/rossi-e-cat-orders-from-four-countries-some-already-installed-and-operating/ Rossi: E-Cat Orders from Four Countries, Some Already Installed and Operating Posted on March 28, 2019 I asked a few questions today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics about the status of E-Cat SK orders and installations, following the product announcement in January: Frank Acland March 27, 2019 at 11:41 AM Dear Andrea, Regarding the orders you are receiving: a) Are you already building the E-Cats that have been ordered? b) Are you already installing the E-Cats that have been ordered? c) Are new E-Cats already operating with new customers (not including the first customer you have already mentioned?) d) From how many countries have orders been received so far? Here are Andrea Rossi’s responses: Andrea Rossi March 27, 2019 at 1:23 PM Frank Acland: a) yes b) yes c) yes d)four Warm Regards, A.R. At the January presentation, Rossi mentioned three countries that he thought would be the first to receive E-Cat deliveries: USA, Sweden and Japan. So there’s apparently now another country in the mix, maybe he will reveal that soon. Knowing Rossi, I doubt that he will name any of his first customers, he has said that it will be up to customers to make those announcements. How long that will take, is hard to know, but he did say recently that an industrial partner may reveal itself “sooner than expected”. He made this comment to Gerard McEk: Andrea Rossi March 23, 2019 at 3:46 AM Gerard McEk: Sorry, but, obviously, “sooner than expected” does not mean “tomorrow”. In this specific case, means that I hope it will be within months, and please remember that I did not say I am sure of this, I said that it is possible, not that it is certain. Warm Regards, A.R. Rossi is now leaking info voluntarily to counter all the magnetic motor fuss that is going on. It is clear that his SK E-Cat "heat only" roll out is going according to his general plan, accelerating in pace based upon his distributors capabilities, some of which have good international coverage already. Historically, Rossi holds everything tight to his chest untill it is pretty much a totally done, totally proven out deal. His distributors are also apparently considering coming out of their shells a bit more, too. "Magnetic Motors" increases the competition pressure on the E-Cat power generation side of things by quite a bit aso ...... and that speeds Rossi along his electrical power generation path even quicker, which is a good thing. BTW Japan is the home of the mini-turbines used in motorcycle turbos, etc. I suspect that this will speed up the closed cycle refrigerant gas heat turbine generator ideas along quite a bit as well. Small quiet "runs for a year on a single fuel charge" generators are a Large Market waiting to be tapped. Heat is pretty much a done deal at this point, so it is time to roll on over to the next challenge. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 04/05/19 at 13:13:21 Two brand new LENR groups kick into function -- one old, one new. https://e-catworld.com/2019/04/05/developing-new-clean-energy-solutions-from-nuclear-fusion-gu-ventures-press-release/ https://e-catworld.com/2019/04/04/video-of-anatoly-klimovs-device-dual-frequency-plasma-excitation-in-a-vortex-reactor-cop-10-claimed/ In both cases they are seeking investors so they can step closer to a real salable device. Rossi enjoys years worth of lead over either of these two new players. Please note the Kilmovs gas tube, the one that looks like a LENR rocket engine has a somewhat limited number of potential uses -- beyond being a LENR rocket engine or a smelting furnace burner that is. Each one of these variants that work well has a functional niche to fill in tomorrow's economy ...... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 04/10/19 at 21:29:24 https://e-catworld.com/2019/04/09/rossi-domestic-e-cats-in-several-years-at-the-most/ Rossi: Domestic E-Cats in ‘Several Years at the Most” Posted on April 9, 2019 The question about who Andrea Rossi and Leonardo Corporation is partnering with is still a curious one. Rossi has stated recently that he believes the introduction of a domestic E-Cat (an E-Cat for home use) is not as far away as he may have once thought: Frank Acland April 7, 2019 at 1:01 PM Dear Andrea, Are you still convinced that it will be many years after industrial E-Cats are deployed, that you will be able to produce domestic E-Cats? Andrea Rossi April 7, 2019 at 3:07 PM Frank Acland: No, I’d not say many years, I’d say several years at the most. Warm Regards, A.R. I wondered whether the change in outlook could be due to the new ‘global’ partner that he has referred to, so I asked some more questions: Frank Acland April 8, 2019 at 9:45 AM Dear Andrea, You say you are working with a global partner. May I ask: a) Does your global partner have experience bringing industrial and domestic products to market? a) Will your global partner be able to help you with the authorizations and safety certifications for E-Cats? b) Do you think the partner will be able to help with faster approval for domestic E-Cats? Andrea Rossi April 8, 2019 at 10:56 AM Frank Acland: a) yes b) yes Warm Regards, A.R. (As you can see above, I mistakenly labeled two questions a) — I got a clarification that his answer “yes” above referred to both my questions) We don’t know who this partner is, but if they are experienced in bringing both industrial and domestic products to market, and have experience with authorizations and safety certifications, one would think they would have to have to be quite well established and influential. So, one of Rossi's new global distributor/partners is actually interested in selling home heating E-Cats. My room E-Cat heater may well arrive before I die ....... :D |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by jcstokes on 04/11/19 at 01:56:22 Over the last year ABB shares have traded between 18.03 and about 24 Swiss Francs. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 04/11/19 at 05:40:32 I'm still waiting for Rossi to allow independent testing. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 04/11/19 at 08:12:24 Yes, independent testing has been done. Rossi gave over several of the left-over little sealed Lugano reactors a few of his Lugano Italian testers whom he trusted -- folks who ran them quietly to to total end of life (taking over a year) so yes Rossi has indeed given his stuff over to independent testers to be tested to death, but just not given them the ability to recreate his powder mix or prep states. Rossi's newest player seems to be fairly enthusiastic about his stuff. They were shown what was being developed, which includes some power output apparently. Rossi's distributors are NOT ALLOWED to know the secret sauce. They do know (ABB have actually helped develop) Rossi's excitement and monitoring systems. They know enough to integrate Rossi's systems into their own products, and they get a discount on reactors and controller stations. ABB built and maintains Rossi's automated lines so ABB understands relatively more than the others do, but ABB has proven that they can keep their mouths shut tighter than a vacuum pack seal. I bet since ABB has been around since the large reactors for Florida's year long test were built that ABB can form a guess at what the secret sauce really is if they don't already know it outright. Rossi will quietly continue to pick up distributors and new market expansions. All of these folks are in competitive markets, so they all want the lid of total secrecy to continue until they can get set to skin their own competitors both totally and abruptly. Rossi is abrupt and totally ruthless with his distributors. I suspect one will fall out with him eventually due to normal human assumptions and standard corporate "business greed" in a very noisy and newsworthy fashion that we can all watch. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 04/11/19 at 10:11:16 https://www.lenr-forum.com/attachment/8120-april52019warninglettereditedapril9-1-pdf/ Jack your mind open a little bit further ........ |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 04/11/19 at 20:59:14 I disagree that "independent testing" includes the restrictions Rossi has implemented. The only program that he wasn't personally present for included multiple tests that resulted in a settlement after litigation. I'd like to see a standard independent testing, where he can supply the proprietary material, but that's it. The testing facility runs all other aspects and documents it for review, and of all things can reproduce the outcome multiple times. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 04/12/19 at 12:24:31 Eegore, you want a scientific test of his secret formula and his secret control system, with him not providing anything but the his secret powder mix and any other secret proprietary materials that are needed? Can you see why that will NEVER happen in this life? The system (whole system acting together) is what makes up Rossi's functional trick. It took mainstream science 20 years to admit they couldn't even follow the detailed instructions to do a simple Pons and Fleischman electrolysis rig up without leaving out key steps because they were all real physicists and "a lot smarter than the chemist inventors" and of course a real physicist already knew it couldn't work. Rossi has patents granted, but he understands that total secrecy is the only protection his life's work really has because his patents aren't worth the paper they are written on when the $$$$ amounts on the table are in the trillions of trillions of dollars. The man told us 3 years ago that Lugano was the last "scientific test" he was ever going to do and that he was going for full commercialization as proof it all works. Rossi actually gave several little reactors to people he trusted to follow his excitation protocols and they RAN the things at home for a year under non-disclosure terms that they held themselves to completely as per the agreement. They then cracked the ceramic tubes open and analysed the consumed powder for transformations and found lots of transformed metallic elements in the wiring, transformed ceramic from the tube and used up fuel powder that was melted into a ceramic slag that included all sorts of bits of heavier stuff. They could only say that much because Rossi actually told folks what they had told him about it, and then the Lugano guys chimed in with confirmations at that point. At the time, Rossi was working on E-Cat X, two generations past that Lugano level of LENR and Rossi didn't care if the Lugano folks told what they knew, it wasn't anywhere near to his current systems, current plasma based methods, etc. You need to look towards Bob Greenier and the basement testbed boys who are selling test rigs and foamed ceramic blocks so you can roll your very own simple COP of 3 LENR reactor. Rossi is moving right along with commercialization of a system that can output of 50+ kilowatts of heat output per reactor at a COP of well over 50, with Rossi and his distributors agreeing with the Wright Brothers that the only real way to convince most folks that airplanes can fly is to take them to an airport and buckle them into a seat belt and take them up for a spin. You don't waste the time teaching them how to build an varnished canvas airfoil or how to design a wooden propeller that will hold together while spinning fast. ;) |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 04/13/19 at 00:28:32 "Eegore, you want a scientific test of his secret formula and his secret control system, with him not providing anything but the his secret powder mix and any other secret proprietary materials that are needed?" Yes. That's called an independent study, and yes plenty have been done by allowing third party technicians to run the process without knowing the content of the item they are using. Why does Rossi have to set up everything first and run critical portions himself, with no metering allowed? Why can't he be present to confirm there is no tampering? For that matter on multiple occasions testing has been done by multiple third party participants that are not informed of the full process, they only do their part. DARPA does this to protect classified projects. Maybe there is a significant reason that Rossi must pre-set critical portions, run them, and disclose the data himself. All I am saying is that the current process is not independent testing, and I am still waiting for that to happen. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 04/13/19 at 07:45:57 Well, right now you could sign up for a commercial Rossi installation of say, a plant hot water heating source and you could independently verify that it works without understanding anything. There are gonna be dozens here in the USA before long, I suspect. Just remember, violate your Non-Disclosure Agreement and the web connection will cause your equipment to stop working. :P Apparently Rossi spent too much time using Microsoft Software products ....... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 04/15/19 at 07:21:07 https://e-catworld.com/2019/04/15/leoardo-has-had-to-resole-several-problems-with-the-e-cat-sk/ Leonardo Has Had to Resolve ‘Several Problems’ with the E-Cat SK Posted on April 15, 2019 There have been some comments on the Journal of Nuclear Physics from Andrea Rossi about some problems with the E-Cat SK that he has been dealing with. As usual there are not many details. He wrote on April 13th that there have been “several problems, normal for initial activity, I can say we are satisfied how things are going on”. I followed up with some questions: Frank Acland April 14, 2019 at 2:12 PM Dear Andrea, You have mentioned that you have experienced some problems with the first SK reactor. What kinds of problems are you referring to: a) E-Cat reactor malfunctioning b) Control system malfunctioning c) Heat exchanger malfunctioning d) Remote control system malfunctioning Also, have you solved the problems that have come up, or are you still in the process of solving them. Andrea Rossi April 14, 2019 at 5:15 PM Frank Acland: a) yes b) no c) yes d) yes All resolved ( so far ) Warm Regards, A.R. So it seems that there have been quite a few issues that have come up, maybe this will have required some redesigning or rebuilding. We don’t know how many working units that have been affected, I would guess at this stage there are not too many E-Cats that have been deployed to customers, but it will be very important for Leonardo Corporation that these issues are resolved if the E-Cat is going to be a successful product. This tends to confirm my thoughts that the greatly increased SK output levels require a careful balancing of the reactor output to the cooling load. When the cooling load shuts down abruptly or greatly decreases suddenly for whatever reason, it likely causes the reactor to shut off in an abrupt manner that kicks in the electronic IP safeguard systems at the place of installation. Such events currently require a visit from factory technicians to reset them, I suspect. Rossi is extremely paranoid about people stealing his secrets. Until these secrets get out and the severe Rossi paranoia goes away and the severe Rossi paranoia no longer rules everywhere then this paranoia by itself will limit the spread of LENR. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 04/17/19 at 00:07:45 https://e-catworld.com/2019/04/15/leoardo-has-had-to-resole-several-problems-with-the-e-cat-sk/ The peanut gallery discussion of how long to wait for the bugs to shake out at this level of the E-Cat roll out was interesting. The peanut gallery is beginning to understand where Rossi is right now, he is past Industrial development and into the UL CERTIFICATION data collection process for Commercial devices, which have different performance criteria from Residential devices as opposed to Appliance devices. Rossi is collecting the data to move on all of these fronts in order, but they come in a logical order due to the needs of background data collection. cashmemorz • 7 hours ago Even with the problems that were found and fixed, the first version in market still should be vetted for at least one full year, for the longer term effects on the E-Cat being in use at each of the several customers. One year is the base line for the minimum amount of time that the E-Cat can be warranted to work dependably. The E-Cat, being engineered to produce power for a fixed period of time to be swapped out for a completely new unit, requires no more than one year, if that its "maximum lifetime" use. Most appliances get a time period of five years basic warranty as a basic given. Also appliances are "allowed to break down after 5 years, from "normal" usage. No one can, or even wants to make any appliance so tough, it never breaks down. That kind of mindset has gone with the Dodo and with the advent of "Planned obsolescence, or built-in obsolescence". After that first, maximum time period of one year, that the E-Cat is expected to work at optimum level, allows for the next step towards mass production, consisting of a few hundred to a few thousand units. This kind of iterative progress safe guards the confidence the E-Cat conveys for the later, potentially large scale, millions of units, market. Better to be slow, sure and safe, then to hurry and possiblly get stuck with millions of faulty units and bad PR. Even after that second, one year period, the thousands of units deployed, could still show too many faults and errors that will require another trial year of continuous use, then iterative ramping up production for just another few more thousands of units for another year trial, until the number and kinds of faults, becomes so few as to be tolerated. So maybe, as Rossi indicated earlier, it will be several years, as in less than ten, before the E-Cat gets certified for domestic use. Safety Aspects of LENR need to be developed along with its shielding --- Microwave Ovens had to go through this stage back in the 60's too, remember the Amana Radar Range was an expensive commercial oven on planes, etc. long before it hit the American domestic kitchen counter top. I won't see us going to the stars, on ships powered by LENR devices, but maybe, just maybe, I will get my single room heating unit while I can still think straight and appreciate what the E-Cat means. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 06/05/19 at 06:05:28 https://e-catworld.com/2019/06/05/cold-fusion-in-the-mainstream-national-geographic-financial-times-give-positive-coverage/ Corporate America begins their search for alternative major energy sources It has been interesting to follow the reactions to the recent article published in Nature about the Google-funded research projects in cold fusion. It seems to me that the field has now been given a new lease on life, as researchers who are outside the ‘LENR underground’ are now saying that although they have not so far been able to replicate the Fleischmann and Pons experiments, they feel there is something worth pursuing in the field. In additional to the Nature articles, well-known media outlets are also now giving space and time to the subject, something that has been unheard of for decades. National Geographic published on May 29 an article titled “Cold fusion remains elusive—but these scientists may revive the quest”. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2019/05/cold-fusion-remains-elusive-these-scientists-may-revive-quest/ Here is an excerpt: ‘Though the work may well raise eyebrows, Google was aware of the risks. Two of the review’s coauthors, Google engineers Ross Koningstein and David Fork, have argued that to deliver meaningful innovation in the energy sector, 70 percent of research funding should flow to core technologies, 20 percent should be dedicated to cutting-edge research, and 10 percent should back high-risk ideas that just might work—like cold fusion. ‘Whether their experiments yield an energy breakthrough, the research team hopes they’ve provided cover for young researchers and government funding agencies to reconsider this area of science with an open mind. “The timing is really good for this,” says lead author Curtis Berlinguette, a chemist at the University of British Columbia. “I’m just really excited to show the younger generations of scientists it’s okay to take risks—to take the long shots.”’ This is an interesting and important point, I believe. There has been little to no funding available for research in the CF/LENR field because of the stigma associated with it, and so it has been very difficult for younger generations of researchers to get involved. The UK’s Financial Times has also published an opinion piece by science editor Clive Cookson on the subject titled “Thirty years later, the cold fusion dream is still alive” https://www.ft.com/content/4233196a-82cb-11e9-b592-5fe435b57a3b Cookson believes that scientific research in the field of cold fusion should be encouraged, not scorned, because even if it is difficult and the chances of success low, the potential payoffs could be immense. He reports personally visiting the lab of researcher Russ George in Essex UK and being impressed by the work going on there. He writes: ‘Although none of the experiments generated excess heat or radiation indicative of nuclear reactions, the Google-funded scientists insist that the project was worthwhile because it yielded several insights — for instance, into the behaviour of hydrogen inside metals — and new techniques such as improved calorimetry to measure heat flows. They hold out hope that future research might succeed in proving that cold fusion is a real phenomenon, if methods can be found to pack hydrogen more densely into the atomic lattice of metal electrodes.’ In my mind, anything that encourages serious research into CF/LENR is overall good for the field. If new researchers get involved, and new funding is available, and the appellation “junk science” is removed, then I think we are seeing progress. Google may turn out to have done an important service to cold fusion. Google is dropping some 20% money (the bonus time associates get paid to work on "other projects") in an organized attempt to replicate many of the alternate sources of energy. As soon as Google or one of the other verification researchers verify that something works, then more focused energy can be directed to pursue it. Google's "moon shot" mentality is catching, and is overcoming the stigma attached to cold fusion and to magnetic energy. Not having enough money to buy equipment stymies most cold fusion researchers. Corporate backing helps with this issue. Rossi ran for many years on a shoe string, but he now has his own Millions to spend at will, with several business partners ready to kick in stuff that they already build and understand. Which is why Rossi is so far along compared to the rest. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by verslagen1 on 06/05/19 at 09:28:40 I really wouldn't call this 'positive' coverage. These guys are 30 years behind the times. And google says it still can't figure it out. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 06/05/19 at 11:09:36 Yes, I agree the Google boys are just going through the motions by ONCE AGAIN trying to stage variations on Pons & Feischmann, but this time they did learn that they needed to hydrogen load the metal properly when starting which is more than the original crew of replicators were patent enough to do. They have to start somewhere, so they went back to the beginnings of 30 years ago. By stating a clear goal and applying a new outlook (moon shots) and applying MONEY where needed, some positive results from Google's efforts can be eventually expected. This is a lot better than the mental roadblock mentality that traditional science has been putting up, by far. The point here is that it is now acknowledged that renewables isn't going to cut it, only 2-5% of the total amount of energy we need will be able to come from wind and solar and other "renewables". Nuclear fission is unsavory in general, and the molten salt reactors that are working are being held closely as "commercial IP properties" at this time. Thorium reactors are doable, thorium batteries have been powering orbital this and that for 1-2 decades now -- it isn't like they don't know how to do it. The satellites all eventually become radioactive, but there are no people involved, so who cares? The military mind wants more water cooled breeder reactors because the military uses are all for "more plutonium production" for bombs and aircraft carriers and nuclear subs, etc. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 06/10/19 at 13:21:32 Rossi is in California for 2 weeks, overseeing a partner staged test of a SK variant with greatly enhanced electrical generation. Partner is thought to be ABB, divisions are thought to be lighting and electrical generation, end use is thought to be automotive. This is all a bunch of wishful peanut gallery thinking based on all sorts of thin assed theories, but Rossi admits to going to California for 2 weeks to decide if this electrical generation direct from the plasma is a real pathway to be followed or not. WHAT IS GOOD Rossi isn't doing all the heavy thinking and prototype construction any more, his partner is being trusted to make progress on his own. If Tesla had never trusted Westinghouse to move forward working alone, well electricity wouldn't have gone very far, now would it? Next, different development sites are apparently working on the various Rossi stuffs --- this is good as "world class experts" have to live somewhere, most often they live far away from where you are at the moment. Far easier to put Rossi up in a hotel room for 2 weeks, in other words ...... The more I learn, the more the SK comes across as a kind of mercury vapor type lamp type thingie that happens to make a lot more energy than the originals did. And yes, they do admit that halogen and mercury vapor lamps did indeed shine with greater than unity light output (and lots of extra heat) compared to the small steady state running electricity that is used for steady state running energy, it was all a big mystery back then but I think they understand it a good bit better now. =================================================== Rossi has finished his week long test, lined out the details on the next generation device modifications and says the new version will be built and under test again inside 14 days. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by verslagen1 on 06/10/19 at 14:10:54 Same goes for sodium and florescent lighting too. I'll keep my eyes out for a glowing gentleman with the Swiss guard in tow. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 06/15/19 at 06:18:54 http://coldfusioncommunity.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/244_JCMNS-Vol24.pdf Observation of Anomalous Production of Si and Fe in an Arc Furnace Driven Ferro Silicon Smelting Plant at levels of Tons per day C.R. Narayanaswamy[ch8727] The Silcal Metallurgic Ltd., Coimbatore 641004, Tamil Nadu, India Abstract In the period 1978–2002, The Silcal Metallurgic Ltd., a Coimbatore (India) based company, was engaged in the production of ferro silicon alloy deploying a 12 MVA “Submerged Carbon Arc” powered smelter. During a 11-week long non-stop round the clock operation of the plant in 1995, daily feed of raw materials was: Quartz (33.4 ton), charcoal (with fixed carbon content of 13.2 ton) and scrap steel (5.1 ton) while the daily output production of Fe–Si alloy (73.5% Si) was 24.75 ton. From the total weights of Si and Fe in the input feed and assuming 100% recovery of the metals, the daily output alloy production could at best have been only 20.5 ton. However to our surprise throughout the 11-week period the total daily Fe–Si alloy (with 73.5% Si) output was consistently 24.75 ton, corresponding to a daily “anomalous” excess metal production of 4.25 ton of Fe–Si alloy. The only source of Si entering the smelter furnace was the quartz raw material and that of Fe was the scrap steel (except for minor additional amounts of Fe originating from the steel casing of the consumable Söderberg carbon electrodes). Very careful vigil of the weights of daily input feed of raw materials and output alloy drained out as also the electrical energy consumption was maintained. It was evident that roughly 20% more metal than could be accounted for from the input feed was being produced and consequently we have been obliged to come to the conclusion that anomalous quantities of Si (2.8 ton/day) and Fe (1.45 ton/day) were being synthesized during the smelting process. Discussions with researchers involved in the Cold Fusion/LENR field have suggested that a likely explanation for the anomalous metal production could be the occurrence of transmutation reactions between nuclei of C and the O stripped from the SiO2 during the chemical reduction process. It is speculated that the intense varying magnetic fields generated by the kilo-amp levels of alternating current (AC) driving the arcing between the three gigantic carbon electrodes and the carbonic hearth of the furnace, in the 2000[ch9702]C temperature environment, could have somehow catalyzed transmutation reactions to occur, very similar to the transmutations reported in laboratory scale “Carbon-Arc experiments” first revealed by George Oshawa in 1964. Well now, remember all them arc lamps and florescent tubes and mercury vapor and sodium vapor lamps that all proved out to be doing LENR all along and nobody had ever said much about it? Well, a HUGE industrial sized electric open arc smelting furnace has always been noted for getting very very hot and for having "high efficiency" just like them electric vapor lamps did. But now the careful reporting of carefully recorded elemental transformations by the TONS for years on end, using more than accurate enough measuring equipment ---- boys, LENR is here and it is real and has been real for like over 100 years, they just never noticed the math didn't really add up before. It was too big, so it just got overlooked. Or it got ignored, as in being too controversial to talk about. Must have been all them little errors in measuring the raw ingredients adding up over time ....... right :-? Hey guys, we really need to get us some much better weight scales for controlling and data recording those input raw materials. So they finally got some much more accurate state of the art loading scales that came with with a brand new state of the art super-efficient arc furnace set up that they bought to save money on energy. Much Much better scales, controls and recording capability on loading and on power usage and all the other inputs and outputs. And once it was up and running good, they did notice their new super accurate scale systems gave them about same answers as the old scale systems did, well then the people running the plant wisely kept their mouths shut about it because of the bonus transformation $$$ benefits and because of the nasty onus that LENR and "transformation" in general held in the eyes of the scientific community well, the image muck would just gotten smeared all over their company's image if they had talked about it. ::) Got him some balls, C.R. Narayanaswamy does ....... reporting this controversial item 20 years later when he is far far far away from the company in question. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/15/19 at 07:20:57 It was evident that roughly 20% more metal than could be accounted for from the input feed was being produced and consequently we have been obliged to come to the conclusion that anomalous quantities of Si (2.8 ton/day) and Fe (1.45 ton/day) were being synthesized during the smelting process. As incredible as that is we shouldn't be shocked. We've been watching outputs exceed the mathematics of the inputs for decades out of D.C.. There's just no way such a small number of people should be able to get so much wrong and screw up so many other people's lives so efficiently. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 07/19/19 at 08:58:01 OK, I generally don't bring up new Rossi stuff to you guys on the first wiff, I generally wait until Frank the list owner invariably asks his "clarification questions" that carefully bring out the rest of the information and Frank gets the wordings and translation effects all buffered out of the info flow and then Frank will only report what is clarified and "backed back down to reality". Rossi has made two attempts to make a direct electricity generating E-Cat version, both attempts were reset after several days of running and restarted after modifying the equipment some more. Rossi would only say "a wiff of electricity" or "fair progress is being made". So now Rossi and Frank are engaging in a dialog which is intended to set the stage for something perhaps pretty significant --- a big success or a big bust, you get to pick as your guess is as good as mine at this stage of things. Frank Acland July 18, 2019 at 7:32 PM Dear Andrea, Interesting that you say a permanently self-sustaining heat-producing E-Cat is very close. Can you help me understand what exactly you mean? 1. Will you need an external power source to start the E-Cat reaction? 2. Will the control system need to be connected to an external power source continuously? 3. Do you need to have access to grid electricity for this? Thank you very much, Frank Acland Andrea Rossi July 18, 2019 at 8:44 PM Frank Acland: 1- no 2- no 3- no But be careful: ” very close ” does not mean ” done ” ( so far ). Warm Regards, A.R. Karl Venter sam • 7 hours ago I very much Hope Andrea is this right - no external power to start it - no external to run it? That seems incredible / hard to believe? Hope we wont wait too long for demo? What would the typical size be? electrical output 20 kW would be incredible?> Buck • 3 days ago Rossi is looking for us to get the implications of his comment on discovering that 90 percent is possible! WaltC July 15, 2019 at 10:59 PM Dr. Rossi, With respect to the possibility of achieving 90% electricity, 10% heat: I find that possibility so very exciting; I wish you every possible success. If successful, it would be an amazing, break-through product, useful in just about every industry and in every corner of the world. On top of that, it would be an unparalleled engineering achievement and, I have to believe, a seminal scientific advancement. Best wishes! (And Wow!) WaltC Axil Axil • 4 days ago Victor July 15, 2019 at 6:21 AM Dr Rossi, Can you say which will be the maximum ratio between electricity and heat in case electricity is the main object of demand? Andrea Rossi July 15, 2019 at 2:44 PM Victor: We should be able to reach 90% electricity, 10% heat if this will be the demand. Still fighting, though. Warm Regards, A.R. Axil Axil • 3 days ago • edited Uh huh. That’s 225000% electricity, 25000% heat. Or something like that. Stephen Obvious • 3 days ago • edited We might need to be careful making assumptions along these lines. If it works In this way it could be that if used for electricity the over all Output power drops. On the other hand if input energy is sourced from the out put then the COP becomes pretty impressive. I wonder if there is an optimum ratio where the overall out put remains high and the electrical output is also high enough to power the device or higher (hopefully much higher). If such a device produces electricity from or instead of high energy photons somehow but needs to run hot and generate excess unused waste heat in the process to efficiently generate large amounts of electricity. Perhaps the excess IR heat radiation could be converted to electricity using the nano technology and photovoltaics in the other thread. If that’s 80% efficient at IR wave lengths as claimed then we could potentially have a thermally shielded device with an effective ratio of electricity to heat ratio 98. Even if we can only get high output power with lower ratios it could make the device much more efficient. Alternatively a strong narrow band IR source could have a whole set of industrial and technical uses especially if it can be made coherent. Of course these thoughts are just speculative. Axil Axil • 4 days ago A target of 90 percent is a significant shift from 20 percent three years ago. Considering his apparent success to date, I am optimistic. Axil Axil Buck • 4 days ago • edited The removal of heat from, the SK is where most of the hardware requirements come from. If Rossi can get the heat production of the SK down to 2.1 kilowatts, then a simple fan can cool the SK. The reason that Rossi wants to produce electrical power only is to reduce the production cost way down. Also, if Rossi is going to build 100 million units, he wants to make sure that the SK is as good as it can possibly be before he gets the robots rolling. Buck Axil Axil • 4 days ago • edited The consequences of selling 5-10 million 2-3Sigma vs. 5-6Sigma units is vastly different . . . especially, as it becomes dramatically simpler to manufacture . . . and as a product of near universal acceptance/desirability. Manufacturing cost is important. But, far less important than reliability and desirability to the long-term health of the Brand. Self-charging Electrical Cars and self-powered remote living homes are up on the table, boys and girls. This thread is getting kinda interesting, so I thought you would want to know about it. Also note the theoretical understanding behind all of this is getting much better. Simpler machines are being designed and tested now because the operational theory is getting much more precise and predictive efforts on designing the equipment are possible now. A really really BIG success or a disappointingly big bust, you get to pick on this one as your guess is as good as mine at this stage of things. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 07/19/19 at 09:29:08 Since I had to sign an NDE I can't say much about a large unit being "tested" in the US but I can't see the output getting close to what is claimed. It would be nice but at this time I don't think its going to result in massive energy creation anytime soon. Then again I am not an expert in the field, I have to rely on expert opinion and testing on my behalf. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 07/19/19 at 19:32:18 Rossi has sold test units to DARPA and to the Dept of the Air Force and to the Dept of the Navy for several of his various generations of units --- as the military at that time wanted to see if his stuff worked for an intended use and to track the general progress of his tech's usefulness (i.e. if it was usable at all for their applications). Rossi has gotten roughly 2x better about every generation, and there have been 6 generations of his stuff since the very beginning. Eventually, Rossi believes he will have commercially feasible units. We shall see if this one is the first one inside a year or two. Rossi still remains 3-5 years ahead of his competitor's technology, always. I suspect he has not shown his very best current tech publicly on purpose, as Rossi always keeps his best stuff totally under wraps and Rossi only releases his second rank tech for any form of external testing. This keeps him as the goose that lays the golden eggs ---- and that status helps keep him alive and breathing. However, his extreme secrecy fetish does slow his public progress down, greatly. Rossi is an old man now, and that is a special concern of its very own ...... 8-) https://e-catworld.com/2019/07/19/rossi-permanent-self-sustain-e-cat-producing-heat-very-very-close/ One of the things Rossi was asked for by DARPA was a small portable heat source for soldier's tents. He has been back burnering this for years now, but has just mentioned some progress on it that is coming from his electrical SK research version as a side benefit. Rossi is saying he can get enough direct produced electricity now out of the new SK to reliably recharge a small battery, and he can stage restart a mulit-cell SK from a cold start off of that same rather small battery. This means get one cell working using a small battery, take the power from that cell to start the next cell, move to the next cell after it cranks up, etc. etc. ==================================================== July 23, 2019 at 1:56 PM Judy: The QX is the father of the SK and the grandfather of the SK-Leonardo, that will be the first thing in the history to make energy without consuming energy from the grid or from any known energy source, obviously respecting the first principle of thermodynamic. Now, from today, I am convinced we are getting very close to it. We will get it. Warm Regards, A.R. Andrea is now convinced that the electrical E-cat, apparently called the ‘SK-Leonardo’, may work soon as hoped for, producing its own electricity to work on and no grid connection is required. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/17/19 at 08:31:50 https://e-catworld.com/2019/08/14/rossi-weeks-long-testing-for-on-permanent-ssm-to-start-august/ SK Leonardo has gone through 3 trial runs now attempting to make enough power to surplus some charging power to a set of batteries. Although mildly successful, this really isn't going to be a functional pathway forward for this generation of SK Leonardo. Rossi does feel he has SK Leonardo functioning fairly well as a long Self Sustaining Mode version (no previous QX or SK version had any SSM functionality at all and all of them required lots & lots of electronics and a fairly sizable continuous wall socket power draw. So now the long term test version of SK Leonardo as a SSM version with a small external starting battery required (very small & mild recharge capability at this stage of things, not enough to keep a large enough battery totally charged up to run the entire system). Still, SK Leonardo requires less electronics, less wall socket power draw and has somewhat more self-sustain ability that is naturally occurring. In other words, the Leonardo SK is a refinement of the previous types of SK and QX types, but nothing completely revolutionary is showing up here yet. The Rossi haters are banging at him pretty hard for making such encouraging sounds then going bust during 3 multiple long run test phases ...... They should be careful because Rossi has also investigated some running small traditional generator systems off of the simple heat output that he can do very well at this stage of things ...... ;) |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Serowbot on 08/17/19 at 09:51:46 How long can a man be on the razors edge of a monumental breakthrough?... Until retirement... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/17/19 at 10:13:00 Serobot, there are many who share your point of view. However, Rossi keeps on making slow progress and he remains at the head of the LENR pack. Is his stuff salable right now? Yes, but only for heat and only with him taking all the risks which is what he is doing at this point in time. Every new customer he takes on is a liability, so Rossi doesn't want too many customers until the bugs are ALL 100% worked out. =================================================== So if you want 100% salable, no it isn't ready yet. So, is Rossi's E-cat Leonardo ready for prime time? No, not yet. Not for electrical supply anyway. Heat, you could argue yes he has something to sell wide-spread at this point, as he does have heat in Self Sustaining Mode working OK now. Sero, If Rossi's goal was retirement he has 10 million in the bank already and he isn't even spending all his interest money on his new labs, his new processes, his certification testing, supporting a few dozen customers to build up his certification hours, etc. etc. He still has 10,000 run hours to build up for certification, you know. Rossi could just get sick and retire if your thinking was correct. Rossi could then sell all interests in his invention to ABB for another small little nest egg and just let it all go. But he doesn't do that, now does he? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Serowbot on 08/17/19 at 10:37:53 I'd like to say your faith is commendable... I'll leave it at that... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 09/01/19 at 21:58:25 https://e-catworld.com/2019/08/27/pico-scale-physics-and-the-e-cat-stephen/ Rossi is busy one month testing a new E-Cat version that will run inside very steady operating parameters (against a a very steady constant heat absorbing load) without the external active controllers having to be struggling to control it all the time. He says he is running the E-Cat Leonardo off of a small battery as a critical test on reduced controller energy use. He calls this Steady State Mode (SSM) and he has his plasma based device doing it off a small AA battery now (wall socket power required at start up only). Rossi states that using the small external battery power source is always going to be a regulatory requirement of his units as E-Cat Leonardo has to have a "natural built into it fail safe" that must always exist to keep his devices controllable and totally safe. The battery supplies this controllable power, you can hit the kill switch and cut off the battery voltage and E-Cat Leonardo automatically ramps down and stops naturally. Rossi now refers to the nickel powder as a "catalyst medium" instead of a fuel. Rossi has now abandoned the LENR term saying that it isn't cold or any other type of fusion, it isn't any form of fission and that the earlier seen transformation effects that destroyed his old reactor vessels was really just a side effect of the many small strange radiation vortexes instead of a primary energy producer. Indeed Rossi says it takes energy away from the primary reaction to make the strange radiation effects that fire off the reactor destroying transformation effects. But then, what is the REAL primary energy source for Rossi's devices? Electrons, lots of them, a sea of them ...... several different decaying states of electrons cycling back & forth through several decay states it looks like. Lots and lots of electron like things are popping into and out of existence from somewhere else leaving a very very energetic photon-like thing behind each time they do the trip (which then fires off a conical cascade event leaving normal high frequency photons shooting around all over the place) ....... ::) It’s interesting that he (Rossi) really is discussing pico scale physics not nuclear physics or normal atomic physics. And in particular of dense pico scale structures. He talks about the surface areas of reflective surfaces in these dense structures at scales similar to the wave lengths of the particle waves involved and the implications in Casmir forces etc. he talks about light cones of relativistic particles and the implications of that for interactions. If I’m beginning to understand right it’s these structures that are responsible for his process and extraction of energy rather than from the nuclei themselves. Rossi and others are beginning to break into whole new realms of new pico-physics, and are making effects not seen before outside of a few huge particle accelerators such as the Large Hadron Collider. Outside researchers are now plunking away at "strange radiation" now as the implications of this "symptom of exchange of state from matter to energy" outside of the coulomb barrier has some real interest going now in the mainstream community. Strange radiation can be produced at will with a stuttering electrical gap (the Parkhomov woodpecker device) so it can be reproduced and studied easily by researchers everywhere. Transformation products are seen along the tracks left by the strange radiation vortex forms. =================================================== https://e-catworld.com/2019/08/21/mizuno-replication-announced/ Munizo from Japan has created and published detailed instructions for a confirmed, replicated system to get a Rossi style reaction of the older type. This type of reactor will eat itself up over time, just like all the earliest Rossi types did. But it is now easily replicated with a published construction design. https://e-catworld.com/2019/08/11/new-parkhomov-paper-published-nickel-hydrogen-heat-generator-continuously-working-for-seven-months/ Parkhomov is also publishing details of his most successful reactor to date, so the peanut gallery is able to build something and follow along approximately 2-3 years behind Rossi's current position. I still don't have my room heater though ....... :P |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 09/17/19 at 22:42:07 First reports by Rossi on the new experimental run he is doing. "Encouraging, it continues." Now, what is the rest of this story? Rossi units have been always been considered as yearly replaced plug in units because the LENR transformation effects inside the reactor attacked the reactor structure itself. The usable life of a reactor was gone long before the "fuel" was used up, actually. This sad fact has been true all along. Rossi how has a line on how to "resonance tune out" most of the transformation effects, or to greatly reduce them such that the reactor CAN last long enough to completely burn out its "fuel". Rossi has gotten away from his overpowered (cooling required) control set ups and he now can start the reaction off of 110 volts then maintain the "resonance control" safely using an AA battery for proposed remote uses such as cars and such. This new knowledge is running around through all of Rossi's competitors and they all are busily getting better accordingly. Most of this new knowledge comes from those researchers who SEEK TRANSFORMATION EFFECTS for converting materials, there are over a dozen groups working hard at this side of LENR. The more good research that is done, the quicker the entire thing moves forward. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 10/08/19 at 10:12:47 http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_anf_long_range_particle_interactions Rossi has now posted a technical journal paper that outlines his "Long Range Particle Interaction" theory along with the mathematics that determine it effects. Transformation effects are covered by this theory. According to this theory, all elements up through Iron are possible to create using resonant lattices. Beyond iron, you supposedly need a star blowing up in a nova to get the environment that is needed for making the higher atomic weight numbers. Surprisingly, this "Long Range Particle Interaction" theory also can play inside living bacteria who keep inside their mitochondrial cells the needed mechanisms to convert some toxic heavy elements into other safer stable compounds. I stress, this is yet another theory that attempts to handle observed transformations something that is clearly seen all around us now that we are really looking for it. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 10/22/19 at 10:26:01 https://e-catworld.com/2019/10/20/multi-million-pound-crowdfunding-success-for-new-nuclear-plant-moltex-energy/ Thorium salt reactor, augmented by burning up other people's nasty nuclear wastes just to get rid of them (with a paid disposal fee, of course). Well worth the 5 minutes needed to watch it. The folks are Brits and Canadians, so they are somewhat "more trustworthy" than most of the yahoo's that are out there. They are watched closely and over-regulated by their governments in other words. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/03/19 at 19:13:32 The new Google financed/supported teams are all well past their earlier attempts at replicating the Pons - Fleischmann Cold Fusion experiments and are now branching out into all the more modern LENR systems that have been documented. They are exchanging data with the Google groups who are working with Material Transformations and all groups are focusing in more on the mechanisms of transformations and leaving off on the "cold fusion" stuff more and more. Two of the little Google groups have gone silent on us (this generally means they think they are on to something that is worth keeping a secret). New groups have started up on those same aspects, to learn what made the first bunch go suddenly quiet on them. The new groups are posting on their experiments which keeps the first groups that went quiet on them from being able to file patents on the work up to that point. Rossi now says he does not have "cold fusion" nor LENR going on inside his most current plasma based E-Cat cells, instead he has some sort of electron/photon effect going on in the plasma itself that makes COPIOUS AMOUNTS of gratuitous photons from ...... nothing. This is a strongly frequency based thing that is going on now, it is now controlled by a very minor frequency generator control system once the hot plasma itself is built and the double layer effect is established. :o Rossi's E-Cat still resembles a desk lamp's halogen bulb as far as structure and size goes ..... Halogen bulbs have always gotten hot as hell and made a lot of light, were they on to something without realizing it ??? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/04/19 at 18:40:41 Rossi just reported on his long term experiments with direct energy production taking power directly out of his plasma. He says he got it on the 4th "rebuild the structure" try and he is now running several of the new E-Cats off its own self-generated power. Rossi plans a reveal video around Christmas time. The peanut gallery was vocal and practically unanimous -- hire a good PR Marketing firm to structure your marketing reveal and consult with your partner ABB and plan to announce their first product offering at the same time --- ie be ready to take orders. If you can't do these things, keep your mouth shut a little longer until you can. :P NO MORE PUPPETS ....... =================================================== It has a name now, The Leonardo SSM. This will undergo trial placement with the same folks Rossi has parked his earlier Leonardo units with, as Rossi pledged publicly to keep them current on a yearly basis during their trial runs. This saves the time it would take to pick a new crop of trusted placement people. Plus, it also allows Rossi to scoop up all the earlier clumsy implementation hardware and clear the decks for whatever he finally deems to be "salable". |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/07/19 at 15:20:50 Now Rossi has a motivation to announce his new stuff and to apply for the EU prize money. Ditto for all the others as well. https://e-catworld.com/2019/11/07/eu-offering-research-funding-for-breakthrough-zero-emissions-energy-generation-includes-long-duration-high-heat-sources-from-hydrogen-metal-systems/ The EU is offering research funding for “Breakthrough zero-emissions energy generation” from “…for example, long duration high heat sources from hydrogen-metal systems (e.g., using nickel)…”? The total amount together with research in “Human Centric AI” and “Implantable autonomous devices and materials” is EUR 113 mln. “c. Breakthrough zero-emissions energy generation for full decarbonization. Clean and sustainable energy is one of the major challenges of our time. This sub-topic aims at the multidisciplinary exploration of new directions (starting from TRL 1-3) for power generation that is clean, compact and low-cost, aimed at stand-alone, mobile or portable uses in specific application contexts, for instance, in the transport sector (road, air, sea and either for motive or auxiliary needs), for portable uses, in remote places or in emergency situations. Breakthrough concepts and techniques for energy generation have to be explored for generating heat and/or electricity efficiently with zero emissions and with a minimal use of rare or toxic materials. Research areas could include, for example, long duration high heat sources from hydrogen-metal systems (e.g., using nickel), energy generation in plasma and cavitation systems. These or any other concepts with similar compact, high energy density and low-cost energy generation capabilities should be harnessed to make them usable for specific application contexts. Clear and ambitious performance targets and milestones to achieve them shall be provided.” ==================================================== https://e-catworld.com/2019/11/08/arpa-e-provides-funding-to-support-lower-cost-fusion-energy-concepts-news-release/ DARPA's energy department thinks what the EU did was a good idea --- same thing, but with more money is now available from Uncle Sam. ARPA-E Provides Funding to Support Lower-Cost Fusion Energy Concepts WASHINGTON, D.C. — The U.S. Department of Energy today announced up to $30 million in funding for a new Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy (ARPA-E) program, Breakthroughs Enabling THermonuclear-fusion Energy (BETHE). BETHE projects will support the development of timely, commercially viable fusion energy, aiming to increase the number and performance levels of lower-cost fusion concepts. “Successfully developing lower-cost fusion energy concepts would ensure U.S. leadership in this potentially game-changing energy technology,” said ARPA-E Director Lane Genatowski, “Deployable, commercially viable fusion would offer reliable, low-carbon power.” Controlled fusion has long been viewed as an ideal energy source, given its potential for the generation of energy that is safe, clean and abundant, but the technology’s development has been hindered by technical challenges and costs. The BETHE program seeks to address these challenges through a focus on increasing the number and performance levels of lower-cost fusion in three research areas: A) new, lower-cost concept development; B) component technology development to lower the cost of more-mature fusion concepts; and C) improvements to and application of existing fusion R&D capabilities to accelerate the development of multiple concepts. The program will also have a technology-to-market focus, aiming to develop a path to fusion commercialization through public, private, and philanthropic partnerships. The BETHE program will build off of ARPA-E’s first fusion program, Accelerating Low-Cost Plasma Heating and Assembly (ALPHA). Projects in the ALPHA program focused on the development and prototyping of components and tools to demonstrate methods of reaching fusion conditions. While some of these technologies have garnered interest by private fusion companies, more work and technical achievements need to be done to meet performance milestones or develop a grid-ready fusion demonstration. The BETHE program builds on ALPHA by seeking to mitigate the daunting scientific and technical risks facing lower-cost fusion concept developers. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/09/19 at 21:02:17 There is a big conference and show this weekend in northern Europe about Breakthrough Energy Systems. Nobody is talking about Rossi, or LENR or "cold fusion" at all right now such terms and persons are "academic anathema" at this point in time. Rossi's last puppet show has totally killed his public image. Rossi is reacting, as he sees his fame going away very rapidly. Much of what Rossi did turns out it was based upon Kenneth Shoulders work and that of several Italian predecessors, and all of Rossi's fame is devolving rapidly to the original inventors (who are long since comfortably dead from cancer, every last one of them). What this does is clear the decks for the next breakthrough from some open source person (or from the Google's teams, or from entrants for the ADARPS's prize program or from the EU's prize program) to take the credit for opening up "Breakthrough Energy". Rossi is getting old, his faculties are fading..... Matts Lewan is getting old now too, and Matts is telling Rossi he needs to open source all his secrets so he can get credit for them NOW because if he doesn't somebody else will rediscover them and get the credit for his work. ::) |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 11/10/19 at 07:35:51 I think part of the issue is Rossi hasn't provided anything that is peer reviewed, and has been on the edge of a breakthrough for way too long. Google teams are following methods that allow for review, something worth investing in. LENR is considered a scam by way to many at this point, if Rossi doesn't get something tangible out for assessment then he's done. He can still get money from somewhere I am sure, but not at the level he was once expecting. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/11/19 at 19:19:54 The Scandinavian based Breakthrough Energy Systems conference in Breukelen, Netherlands is now over. The Safire team presentation done there prompted a whole lot of conversation and thought. They think they know what is causing LENR to work and it is NOT cold fusion. They think they have a list of elements that can shield or control strange radiation and a methodology to apply to shielding my room heater. Boron is definitely one of these. Layered mylar plastic (plastic, aluminum foil, plastic, boron powder, plastic) weighs next to nothing and several layers stop strange radiation pretty much completely. The differences between a Safire Reactor and a Rossi Reactor are an order of magnitude in SIZE and a vast difference in the driving voltages, the primary energy source for both is the exact same thing. Rossi is successfully harvesting created or "stripped" electrons to power his new Leonardo device version. Rossi has tuned his electronic frequency pump to minimize (but not totally stop) the creation of strange radiation vortexes. Thus his reactor will last longer before transformations make it all crumbly. Governments and big business (Google) are now actively funding LENR research. It is all going to move a lot faster now. Rossi no longer holds all the marbles inside his head, there are lots of groups across the world that hold this knowledge now. Rossi is furtherest along in collecting lots of run hours for various certifications -- but please note that interested governments can waive these long hours for certification requirements if they wish to. America, Russia, Sweden and Japan are hot spots of strange radiation research --- expect some pieces of top secret research to jump out of the world of black projects shortly and provide information to industry so we can spread this stuff out into the light of day. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Todd James on 11/15/19 at 07:17:01 Here is a link to an article published yesterday (Nov. 14, 2019) in the Asia Times. "Cold fusion: A potential energy game changer" It's an easy-to-understand overview of cold fusion (LENR) research , from its genesis, through its challenges, to its current progress. https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/11/article/cold-fusion-1-a-potential-energy-gamechanger/ |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Todd James on 11/16/19 at 07:45:37 Here is a link to the next article about cold fusion research published yesterday (Nov. 15, 2019) in the Asia Times. "Cold fusion 2: Japan wins with systematic method" https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/11/article/cold-fusion-japan-takes-the-lead/ This article calls attention to many notable main stream physics research organizations and individuals who are now investigating cold fusion. Most notable is MIT, considering that this institution was at the forefront in condemning both the research and the professional credibility of Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons after they published their cold fusion discovery in 1989. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Todd James on 11/19/19 at 13:24:28 Here is a link to the final article in the 3 part series about Cold Fusion published on November 19, 2019 in the Asia Times. "Asia and the commercial future of cold fusion" https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/11/article/asia-and-the-commercial-future-of-cold-fusion/ Unfortunately, this installment is rather short on substance. It covers the research efforts (or lack there-of) in China and India, but little more. It's still worth the short read to get a perspective on their progress and interest in the field of Cold Fusion research. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/22/19 at 02:13:47 Rossi keeps posting that his latest and greatest is imminent, but he is getting feedback from the peanut gallery NOT TO ANNOUNCE IT until it is ready to sell some early placement units. No "selling heat", no leasing hardware. If you haven't got a finished product (either heat or electricity or whatever combination Rossi is so pumped up about at the moment --- then hold off until you do). Keep your puppets in the trunk, keep your half cooked "not ready for prime time" ideas in the trunk as well. Rossi needs to stage a professionally done review of his new product and get ABB to announce early placement sales of the units ....... sales from ABB, not Rossi Leonardo. Rossi's image is simply mud at the moment and unless he works carefully to recover his image and only put forward a solid product for widespread use and review Rossi is pretty much done at this point in time. :P ...... I will post something again on when Rossi has something significant to say that is real. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/24/19 at 04:16:29 https://e-catworld.com/2019/11/24/statement-of-andrea-rossi-we-did-it-obtained-permanent-self-sustaining-mode/#comments Rossi gets a self-powering SK Leonardo, makes a small surplus of electrical power that can re-charge the start up battery on top of maintaining power to all the electronics pumping and controlling the reaction. Statement of Andrea Rossi: “We Did It, Obtained Permanent Self Sustaining Mode” Posted on November 24, 2019 • 45 Comments Here is a statement made on The Journal of Nuclear Physics by Andrea Rossi this evening: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892&cpage=464#comment-1417348 Andrea Rossi November 23, 2019 at 9:43 PM Dear Readers of the JoNP: We did it. Obtained permanent self sustaining mode with production of strong excess of electricity, generating more excess of electricity than of heat. It is a revolution. We did not violate unity, we just discovered an energy that had not been exploited before. I am very tired. Independent parties tests will follow, eventually we will make a presentation. I think we made something that will make a revolution. My team colleagues are saying to me ” Andrea, stay calm, be humble”. They are right. Now I am tired, must reorganize the ideas. The work in these last 2 weeks has been very hard, but we did it. This morning, late, we got more electric energy that the electric energy necessary to make the Cat work. The increase is strong. Too big to be true, but it is true. If you are reading this message, means I am not dreaming: our Readers are independent parties that can convince me I am not sleeping and I am really writing this. The merit is of my fantastic Team, without them this could not have been done. Warm Regards, A.R. ..... after four days of quiet interrogation on his forum ...... Some new info has been wormed out of Rossi --- his heat vs electricity split is 60/40 on his very best settings on his very best working unit, and he can harvest an honest 10% electricity out of that ongoing without fouling up his reactor's operations. Rossi is predicting a six month "reactor decay" replacement cycle on what he has now for the electrical units and Rossi does not judge the new reactor life span to be as nearly as good as his old heat only reactors could do. Rossi is doing something that the Mills sun cell can also likely do, if Mills can finally overcome his run-away overheating issues. Some expansions from the peanut gallery boys ....... Congratulations to Andrea Rossi and his team!! Congratulations to Frank Acland as well. I can’t wait to read the ECW posts in the next few weeks and months. Fascinating times ahead. 7 •Reply•Share › Avatar Frank Acland ECW Admin FC • 8 hours ago Thanks FC. This is probably the most important milestone in this story since Rossi first burnt his finger and realized he had something. What he is claiming is unbelievable - to make a device that you don't plug in to anything, and it produces light and heat with tiny amounts of fuel that lasts for months on end - but I believe him. Sure, it has to be confirmed and I'm glad to read that the next step will be independent testing from outside parties. Following that a presentation at which I hope these independent testers will report. Should be very interesting times going forward. 7 •Reply•Share › Avatar Axil Axil • 9 hours ago • edited What I would now like to know: Regarding: "We did not violate unity, we just discovered an energy that had not been exploited before." What is the breakdown of the percentages of all energy production formats as well as the total amounts of power that are now being produced including total power output. In particular, how much heat and light production as a percentage of total power output has been lost if any in this new electrical production system. 1 •Reply•Share › Avatar Buck Axil Axil • 9 hours ago Axil, your focus and curiosity is admirable. 1 •Reply•Share › Avatar Axil Axil Buck • 9 hours ago I have noticed that we can only extract info out of Rossi when he is in the state of excited euphoria. Strike while the iron is hot. •Reply•Share › [ch8722] Avatar Buck Axil Axil • 8 hours ago • edited You are mostly right. Though, he is probably away from work until tomorrow. So, post your question on JONP for him to contemplate an answer when he gets in. In fairness, he likely won't answer the question with all the details yet. But, you never know until you ask! ! ! It ain't all that simple, boys and girls ---- this idea is under development and that is the real reality at this time. My sense is that the reactors are self-destroying themselves in six months time at these settings, so this is just the first solid step forward in electricity and 3 big steps back in reactor life and reliability. Rossi et al are just learning how to do it AT ALL, it is years & years before these new reactors are refined, reliable, certified and sold anywhere. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/28/19 at 02:53:09 Update a week out from the news announcement Andrea Rossi November 26, 2019 at 10:47 AM Stefano G.: For many reasons the certification of efficiency has been decided to be done by an entity that is specialized to test the efficiency of this kind of things. They are specialists and as far as I am concerned they can do what they want. To measure the Ecat SK Leonardo is very simple: no energy enters, electricity and heat exit. To measure the Watt Hours through a load is simple, to measure the Joules at the input and the output of a heat exchanger is well known. Warm Regards, A.R. Andrea Rossi November 26, 2019 at 12:58 PM Frank Acland: The certifications of the efficiency made by the entity that will make the test on the Ecat SK Leonardo. Should be completed within January. Warm Regards, A.R. Rossi is going to get somebody reputable to review his black box rig since it is totally mobile. I trust he is going to take some particular care that his device not get hijacked & stolen nor himself assassinated in doing this kind of activity. Rossi is moving up from buffoon to "an active threat to the status quo" by this move. Do you understand why Frank Ackland and Mats Lewan have both asked Rossi to please please please back up all his top secret information at several locations with people that he trusts? Remember when Nicola Tesla died, that the Feds swooped in and confiscated all his papers and notes? The neat stuff that Tesla invented late in his life never saw the light of day again ...... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 11/29/19 at 01:46:34 https://e-catworld.com/2019/11/28/rossi-38-watts-starts-and-maintains-the-e-cat-skl-automatic-shutdown-if-no-load-or-overload/ The standard SKLeonardo takes a whopping 38 watts of wall socket power get it up and going, and NOTHING to maintain and control it as it makes its own power afterwards. The 38 watts to get it rolling can come from the built in battery, no problem there. Free charging for your electric car, free car heating in the winter time. Put your home anywhere you can get access to it. Live off the grid completely. Boy, I can dream up some stuff over this ...... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 11/29/19 at 20:38:42 I dream of the day someone besides Rossi confirms any of this through testing. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 02/04/20 at 08:23:52 We now only post significant stuff, things that change that are important. Rossi is now working with his industrialization / commercialization / PR partners to prep for his really big electrical production show & tell. He is getting partner feedback from his own partners that slowly eating up his reactor internally due to transformation effects is actually considered a serious flaw and he needs additional work to mitigate the reactor low life span effects (to lengthen his unit's life span) and he has to lower the reactor's cost significantly if the reactor cartridge has to be pulled and replaced yearly as a preventive measure. Rossi has approached this with some expensive esoteric materials, materials that are too costly to use and really not enough of an improvement. Rossi then turned to the frequency controls of the plasma that he discovered while chasing electrical production -- far less costly and relatively more effective anyway. Next, taking these same reactor transformation effects as the root cause his electrical producing SK-L isn't 100% reliable in the longer term as when it gets partially transformed it simply stops working in the same way and requires a full learning restart (AI relearning) to get it to going again. In other words, Rossi is not judged ready for his February show and tell ....... (and this being judged by his own partners) ======================================= On the flip side, these issues are FAR FAR less serious than the stuff that comes along with fission reactors. Having to plug in a new E-cat cartridge is no big deal compared with dealing with the pile up of nuclear waste that sticks around for the next 40,000 years ...... Working fusion reactors are still a decade away (or more) and new evidence is beginning to show that all types of fusion reactors will have these same potential issues with structural transformation of the reactor chamber over the long term. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 02/05/20 at 08:11:58 So what happened, what changed to put reactor life & durability issues front and center again ???? Axil Axil • 14 hours ago • edited There is an inherent design contradiction in the essential nature of the LENR reaction counterposed with the electron generating function that it is expected to perform in the SKL reactor. In detail, the job of the SKL is to produce electron flow. This means that the electrons must exit the plasma and be captured by the structure of the reactor. This function is contrafactual with the nature of the EVOs that are producing the electron flow. The only way to keep the EVOs away from the structure of the reactor is to electromagnetically confine the EVOs to the center of the plasma. But if you confine the EVOs, you will also be confining the electrons to the center of the plasma. If you deconfine the EVOs, then those EVOs will eat away at the structure of the reactor that is collecting the electrons to produce electrical power. This inability to keep the EVOs away from the structure of the reactor while simultaneously collecting electrical power is a fundamental system problem that needs an inspired solution to resolve this reliability issue. If this issue is not resolved, the structure of the SKL reactor will slowly deteriorate and eventually fail. This late onset type of problem could have been the reason why Rossi was so excited and optimistic about a fast product release timeframe. But over extended testing, the SKL began to fall to pieces and the dimensions of the problem caused Rossi to reconsider his commercialization strategy. In the SK reactor, the EVOs can be confined while the heat is able to exit the plasma since infrared/UV/visible photons are not affected by a magnetic confinement field that confine the EVOs. ::) Me, I want "simple heat", so go back to the simple heat generating room heater and MAKE UP A FINISHED PRODUCT and sell it already. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 02/08/20 at 22:36:47 Remember the India silica foundry that was electrically arc smelting raw silica ore and in doing so incidentally transmuted 200+ TONS of elements each and every day? Here is another one. For example chickens continue to make calcium shells for their eggs even if there is no calcium in their diet as long as there is plenty of phosphorus available to them, it appears that lowly chickens can transmutate elements in service to reproduction. This one is muddied up a bit by chickens being Accomplished massive recyclers of calcium, phosphorus and other egg related elements -- this ability coming from their dinosaur lineage. It is thought that gut bio-organisms in chickens are the ones actually doing the transformations -- this is in line with what microbiologists are seeing in radioactive waste reduction due to similar microbiological activities. But the scientists simply watching and counting the grams still are seeing many grams of Calcium showing up that are not coming from what the chickens are being fed. However, there is a dietary requirement for digestible organic phosphorus that is needed for this transformation substitution to take place. Chicken shite is a good source of organic phosphorus and some calcium, so all poop needs to be cleaned from these test cages daily to de-muddy these tests. And, BTW, not by the chickens themselves. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphys.2018.00627/full |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 02/22/20 at 09:48:28 https://youtu.be/9pw-BlrsvN0 This is a discussion of the reactor changes done to the internal reactor materials by EVO activity. This is why Rossi replaces his reactors yearly, they get turned into internally micro perforated swiss cheese by EVO cavity pitting. This is an internal 3-D effect, making donut toroidal shapes inside the material itself as well as out on the surface. Energy is released by this sort of stuff, so some of the donut micro-pits seem to turn into tiny volcanoes of molten metal. Reference is made to tunnels forming internal to virgin stable garnet (hard crystal material) by this sort of activity. Clear garnet shows up any EVO tunneling and cratering clearly. Microbiological life can deal symbiotically with this sort of stuff in some sort of organic fashion, apparently. This may be the mechanism behind radioactive element transformations in microbiological solutions that are currently being investigated, as it it now known that once the radioactives go through this microbiological activity they are stable non-radioactive elements afterwards. Larger EVOs that show that a form of "propulsive force" can develop which explains the tiny conical craters which have been shown before by the MFMP folks. =================================================== As of 2/28/20 --- Rossi claims to have fixed his issues with reliability but apparently in some lesser fashion that isn't a real 100% rock solid sort of fix. Rossi has always had EVO formation "swiss cheesing" his reactor vessels, he has always planned a 6 months to 2 year service life out of a reactor (the ones with very much more durable and expensive construction parts lasting the longer periods of time of course). So I would guess "fixed" maybe means back in line with the earlier proposed reactor replacement cycle? Question becomes "is Rossi really ready to start selling stuff" according to his own partners? They are the ones who will pay out the arse on the class action lawsuits, after all ...... ==================================================== As of 2/28/20 --- Rossi claims to be almost ready "to imminently start his 3rd party secure site testing run" --- a run which will likely be with the same Upsalla University observer folks, possibly at a local industrial secured site location. ...... yes, everybody is just guessing at stuff again, but now they have some hints that cause them to guess this way. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 03/08/20 at 01:26:14 Ok, it is two weeks later, and Rossi has his "qualification unit" being verified by his formal testing party prior to announcing the actual test. His partner is supposedly part of this effort this time. The actual test will take place in March, supposedly. Once the "qualification unit" is all qualified and the test parameters are agreed upon and available to be published, then the test proper will be put up on the web as some form of live feed arrangement. Unit is supposedly a fat bread box in size, and it outputs up to 5 amps at 110 volts. It is totally portable but does require input AC power to get the ball rolling, then supposedly the box goes into SSM and requires no input power until the powder charge (and the reactor itself structurally) requires being changed out. These details are taken piecemeal from multiple Rossi question/answer series and are about as clear as mud at this point in time. Rossi is taking comments on the test parameters from the peanut gallery with the clear intention to make the test both definitive and complete. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 03/11/20 at 18:41:02 Italy has shut itself down to all group gatherings, so Italy is out as far as a place to do the Rossi Reveal. If Rossi cannot shift over to Sweden, he will have to go with just a live feed on the internet, which he has said he was going to do anyway to widely disperse his new product announcement. ONCE AGAIN, if you are not announcing a real shippable product, please don't waste our time. Leave your puppets and other non-real items at home, be professional and VERY SERIOUS in what you announce. And for crimmy's sake, don't go get sick on us ....... old people die from this shite. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 03/14/20 at 23:02:03 https://e-catworld.com/2020/03/14/rossi-well-developed-business-plan-prepared-with-deloitte/ Frank Acland March 14, 2020 at 8:42 AM Dear Andrea, How well-developed is your business plan at this point? Andrea Rossi March 14, 2020 at 9:33 AM Frank Acland: Our business plan is well developed, prepared well together with Deloitte and foresees differenrt scenarios depending on the allegaices. Thank you for your kind attention to our work, Warm Regards, A.R. It’s interesting that he mentions Deloitte here. Deloitte is a well-known multinational company that offers business services to clients around the world. Here is a description from Wikipedia: Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Limited /d[ch601][ch712]l[ch596][ch618]t [ch712]tu[ch720][ch643] to[ch650][ch712]m[ch593][ch720]tsu[ch720]/, commonly referred to as Deloitte, is a multinational professional services network. Deloitte is one of the “Big Four” accounting organizations and the largest professional services network in the world by revenue and number of professionals with headquarters in London, United Kingdom. Deloitte provides audit, tax, consulting, enterprise risk and financial advisory services with approximately 312,000 professionals globally. In FY 2019, the network earned a record US$46.2 billion in aggregate revenues. As of 2017, Deloitte is the 4th largest privately owned company in the United States. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deloitte) One would expect that Leonardo and any partners he is working with would be thinking big if they are using Deloitte’s consulting services. Deloitte would be up to speed on all the current business practices involved in launching new new technology like the E-Cat into the marketplace, and would be aware of some of the pitfalls and obstacles that might be faced. Rossi is still mum as to his manufacturing partner. His PR and business planning is being done by Deloitte, so he has the serious planning and PR help available that he certainly needs. ABB uses Deloitte for their business planning and PR needs, so Rossi using Deloitte flows right along with the still top secret ABB partnership. Why all the ABB secrecy? ABB is being mindful of its image. E-Cat is currently crackpot stuff and ABB seems to like it that way. ABB does not want their major competitors nor the USA nor other major governments to jump into the E-Cat stuff at this stage of things. The longer E-Cat stays "crackpot" the more money ABB will be able to make off of it before it is taken out of their control. It is also clear that ABB distrusts the current state of E-Cat tech as not really being 100% ready for full market wide dispersal. Some of the tests and certifications Rossi has gone through in the past were required by Industrial Heat and all of the current testing hoops are being held up by ABB. Rossi has not been honest with his past partners, there was an actual legal war between IH and Rossi there at the end and false information was given out on both sides --- so with this sort of history ABB is wise to be cautious and to require multiple verifications and long trial runs from Rossi. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 03/18/20 at 08:56:00 WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH 5 AMPS AT 110 VOLTS? The 5 amps is a steady running output supply so you can certainly use it to charge a power wall style battery which then can be used for higher temporary peak loads, provided that there is enough time at lower loads to balance out the battery charge levels. Keeping a EV car charged up would be a piece of cake for example, as would running a simple non-air conditioned 12 volt household such as an RV. Running 110 volt window air conditioning off one breadbox would be tough, as in the summer the AC stays on too much of the time and the very smallest of the window AC units is right up there at your maximum single breadbox E-Cat's output level so it would be a net drain on a power wall battery. If you had a double breadbox unit (10 amps at 110 volts) then you could run your normal window AC just fine with a little left over to feed the power wall batteries to keep them topped up and to charge your electric car overnight when you got home. =================================================== Two days elapse ...... Remember the bread box sized reactor? Not so any more, the 5 amp 110 volt reactor shrank to a theoretical 10 inch cube and then it dropped to a theoretical 4 inch cube as a result of the 2 refinements that have passed initial testing just recently. What does this mean? From a full shipping container all the way by stages down to roughly the size of a Rubric's cube, from putting out "low pressure live steam only" to directly putting out electricity and not a whole lot of heat ----- progress is by "doubling" outputs by every year so far and roughly halving the size of the required hardware. Now we are hopefully at the stage of SELLING SOMETHING ....... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 03/29/20 at 06:42:27 https://e-catworld.com/2020/03/29/rossi-third-party-testers-are-clients/ Rossi: Some Third Party Testers are “Clients” Here are some interesting questions from Gerard McEk on the Journal of Nuclear Physics yesterday, and Andrea Rossi’s responses: Gerard McEk March 28, 2020 at 7:05 AM Dear Andrea, If I understand it right, there are two parties testing the E-Cat SKL. AR: There are more than two parties examining the SKL. Some questions about that, if I may: 1. Does each party have a separate E-cat for testing? AR: no 2. Is/Are this/both E-cat(s) at your lab? AR: yes 3. Have both parties started testing? AR: some has 4. You said there is an ‘independent third party’ test entity, that is not payed by you. What makes them testing it anyway: A. Payed by another party B. Because they are curious C. Some other reason AR: C (Clients) 5. Are these 3rd party tests be done by a company specialized in this and doing this? AR: obviously 6. Will the test/certification results be presented at the same time when both parties are finished or are they be presented separately? AR: the certifications will be presented when the product will be for sale, the tests are under NDA, eventually it will depend on the situations 7. What is roughly the current estimate when both are finished? AR: with the corona virus restrictions nobody can schedule anything Thank you for answering our questions. Kind regards, all the best and good health, Gerard Andrea Rossi had said in another recent comment that product certification and third party testing were two completely different things: Andrea Rossi March 27, 2020 at 6:12 PM Frank Acland: The two things are completely independent from each other. The certification entity is paid by us to make the product certification, while the independent third party is not paid by us. The most interesting thing to me here is that Rossi states the third party testing is being paid for and carried out by “clients”, which implies that they are potential future customers who feel they need to know for sure whether the E-Cat is the real deal by putting it to the test. Also, true to form, Rossi is not sending E-Cats out for testing, as always they stay in his possession, under his control. Corona virus is REALLY messing up the scheduling of the big Rossi E-Cat L reveal AND all of the major early adopters are now insisting that their own "third parties" come in right now to do their NDA testing of Rossi's set up. RIGHT NOW !!!! They ALL insist that they come right now, so they can get first responder advantage on the new technology. I count 3-4 customer sets of customer provided experts all running their own checks and tests on Rossi's equipment and cross checking with their own equipment. Rossi is achieving what he wants, which is his stuff thoroughly inspected by his potential customers and getting lots of independent data being collected for an eventual UL certification. Some of these customers are shills for foreign governments and I suspect the Chinese are hard at work stealing stuff from the inspector people's hotel rooms during the day while they are at Rossi's lab doing their testing. Rossi will be draconian on certain details, the certain details which preclude any attempts to copy his tech. Rossi' perennial secrecy will stymie any progress from these customer inspection/tests, and basically stymie his potential customer's interest in the end. Note: Governments will eventually steal his secrets or simply snatch him and wring him out if he pisses them off badly enough. If Rossi gets Clovis, expect him to get snatched immediately as he becomes a short shelf life item ...... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 04/26/20 at 22:05:11 https://e-catworld.com/2020/04/26/rossi-says-client-is-a-potential-global-partner/ Rossi says ‘Client’ is a Potential Global Partner I keep trying to get a clearer understanding of the current situation with the E-Cat, in terms of the business plan. It occurred to me that the reason the testing situation is so important, (which has been hampered due to the coronavirus pandemic) could be because the results will determine whether a deal with a global company is reached. So I asked Andrea Rossi about this on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: Frank Acland April 25, 2020 at 6:39 PM Dear Andrea, I want to see if I am understanding correctly: You said the party you are currently doing testing with (remotely for now) is a client: 1- who is paying for the the testing ? 2- Is this client also a potential global partner (dependant on the results of the testing)? Many thanks and best wishes, Frank Acland Rossi’s response: Andrea Rossi April 26, 2020 at 3:12 AM Frank Acland: 1- the clients 2- yes Warm Regards, A.R. From earlier comments by Rossi, he has said that so far, no one has made an E-Cat SKL independently from himself. To me, this suggests that Rossi is withholding certain information about the E-Cat until he has reached a deal that he finds satisfactory. And from the perspective of a client, they want to be completely sure that the E-Cat technology is the real deal before they do a deal with Rossi. We are now resting in the potentially dangerous short strokes of a deal. Rossi has shown it works and his clients are about done with all the remote testing they can do on his equipment. The next step is making up the business / legal arrangements to protect both parties. Once the main payment is made, then Rossi needs to transfer the key knowledge of how to actually do the trick. And the Customer / Client has to prove to himself he can make an E-Cat on his own (he understands how it works). Rossi's ego can queer the deal (again) if he simply moves too slow and refuses to release the key knowledge to the Customer / Client under an agreed upon contractual arrangement . Rossi is in a timed race now, too many people know too much about his existing E-Cat stuff -- it can be independently developed from what is known by the Client and by others if he drags his feet too long ..... However, Rossi has learned a good bit about big business and about protecting his interests in the last 6 years. Historically, Rossi will only contract to sell a technology that he already knows how to replace with something that is 2-10x better. We know this, so does ABB as they have watched it unfold twice like that ....... so Rossi's general methods will act as a push to close this deal at a mutual advantage to both parties. Or as a deal breaker, if things drag out too long ....... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 05/02/20 at 20:46:05 OK, Rossi now claims to have signed deals with multiple "internationally shipping industrial based" customers for the existing level of E-Cat SKL 5 watt output electrical output from a Rubric's cube sized device. Multiples of the 5 watt unit output can be apparently had by stacking the devices. At least one of them is a car maker according to Frank Ackland who is drawing this information out of the slow flowing mass of "Rossi sez" questions and answers. Rossi uses Ackland as his clarification mouthpiece sometimes when he needs to clarify what is going on in the E-Cat saga. Rossi now admits to having several industrial capable build partners with finalized signed deals now and Rossi is also now admitting to having at least one automotive customer who has cut a deal to use his E-Cat SKL technology as a background charging (and car heater heat source). Rossi has achieved his marketing debut under his restrictive terms of non-disclosure -- NDA terms which remain just about absolute at this point in time. In accordance to what Rossi has already cut for deals and the NDA that is attached to them, the big silence now descends on everything all over again ..... But before he went silent Rossi also admitted to working on and having reaching early testing stage on a new larger than 5 watt SKL device which makes more electricity and relatively less heat than the 5 watt unit already tested by Rossi's Skype wielding early customers. As I said earlier, Rossi won't sell a tech until he has a replacement coming on that is considerably better on several fronts. 8-) |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 05/03/20 at 06:17:17 It's interesting that none of these partners say anything at all. Has he managed to develop an NDA that is so restrictive that a company isn't even allowed to say they are in a deal? If so how does Rossi get to indicate he has deals signed, but the opposite party can not? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 05/03/20 at 10:37:41 Until they have their incorporated product UL/CSA approved and ready to ship they cannot claim anything publicly about using Rossi tech. Rossi's NDA is rather strict as he feels (correctly, if you are using Industrial Heat and all the games they played selling his IP all over the place as his practical training) that his customers are just buying the approved use of his currently for sale technology and that is all. Any future stuff and all the IP still totally belongs to Rossi and you will have to pay Rossi all over again to get the next generation of stuff. This is why Mauser Werks 7mm and 8mm rifles created this enforceable patent thing about 130 years ago, and the enforcement of patents and NDAs has taken that same model since that time. ARM Holdings still does this exact same thing, nobody talks about anything until that first distributor ships his first product to wholesale distribution -- this is an NDA model used by lots of international businesses using other people's licensed IP. The early adopter pays a premium for his first mover advantage, and the NDA assures that he gets full use of that first mover advantage in the marketplace up through initial warehouse distribution. Generally speaking, the first mover gets to place his initial advertising before the patent owner chimes in to elaborate on the technology. This is also why Rossi keeps such heavy heavy legal guns in his marketing and sales department --- plus ABB as an international distributor is already notoriously closed mouthed about all their business relationships. You will notice Rossi did not make any claims at all --- he has Frank Ackland make all the claims by asking questions to Rossi then Frank expounds on the limited (and very minimal but legally correct) answers that Rossi gives out. Frank Ackland, Leaker in Chief of Rossi Leonardo Corporation ...... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 05/03/20 at 20:21:17 https://e-catworld.com/2020/05/03/several-agreements-have-been-signed-for-the-commercialization-of-the-e-cat/ Speak of the Devil ....... Several Agreements Have Been Signed For the Commercialization of the E-Cat Posted on May 3 by Frank Ackland --- Leaker in Chief of Rossi Leonardo Corporation I have asked Andrea Rossi some questions about the current status of commercializing the E-Cat SKL. He has reported that during this period of coronavirus restriction, he has been conducting online video presentations of the E-Cat with several separate companies. He has said that some of these presentations have been given to prospective customers, and some to prospective investors. He has not named any of these companies, because he says all his dealings thus far have been under NDA, but I did ask about the kinds of entities he is dealing with. Frank Acland May 1, 2020 at 11:56 AM Dear Andrea, You have said that the first E-Cat SKL product will be an industrial one. 1. Are any of your prospective industrial customers intending to use the SKL to generate electricity for their own operations? 2. Are any of your prospective customers utilities who are hoping to use the E-Cat SKL to feed electricity to the grid? 3. Are any of your prospective customers hoping to use the E-Cat SKL to power electric vehicles? His response: Andrea Rossi May 1, 2020 at 1:11 PM Frank Acland: 1. yes 2. yes 3. yes Warm Regards, A.R. I then followed up with a question about whether he expected to make any deals with those he had been showing the SKL to. He replied: Andrea Rossi May 2, 2020 at 11:04 AM Frank Acland: Several agreements already have been signed. Warm Regards, A.R. Brokeeper asked this question on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: 1. Are these companies not just capable of but also will begin to manufacture the E-Cats for themselves and distribution throughout their regions? Rossi’s reply was “yes. His short responses to detailed questions are typical for Rossi, and often leave things open to interpretation, as he will usually not elaborate about things which he considers confidential. So far we have no confirmation about these meetings or deals from anyone other than Rossi himself, so we are going to have to continue to wait for further details. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 05/03/20 at 20:42:30 Breaking news ..... http://https://e3.365dm.com/20/05/1600x900/skynews-tesla-elon-musk_4982166.jpg?bypass-service-worker&202005030751 Tesla has applied for a licence to generate electricity in the UK, documents show. The US company, known for its electric vehicles, also has operations in battery energy storage and solar panel and solar roof tile manufacturing. The application was made to the Gas and Electricity Markets Authority by Tesla Motors Co. It did not make clear why the firm had applied for the licence. It was filed on Tuesday and signed by Evan Rice, Tesla's energy products sales director. Yes, a Rossi SKL augmented Tesla hooked up to a home Powerwall at night would be a "power generating equipment" under the terms of current British regulations. A Powerwall running solar off the roof while putting current back on the grid for credit or payment dollars would also be "power generating equipment" under the terms of current British regulations. Yes, Tesla needs this British license ...... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 05/03/20 at 20:48:02 https://e-catworld.com/2020/05/03/several-agreements-have-been-signed-for-the-commercialization-of-the-e-cat/ Andrea continues to share his view of the contractual arrangements. At this moment, the big clarification comes with his statement that Leonardo Inc. will be the sole source of key/critical pieces of the technology, suggesting that these customers will be responsible for engineering the integration of the SKL and future iterations of the SLRPI technology into their own particular product offering. This is an important clarification to what Andrea shared yesterday, suggesting that the customers could be manufacturing key/critical IP components of the SLRPI effect His response to the first and second questions opens the door to many associated questions like exclusivity for a particular territory and industry. Given Andrea's prior declaration on having the goal of "rapid and broad global deployment", it will be important to understand whether this negates the possibility for exclusivity clauses. ====================================================== Gian May 3, 2020 at 7:15 AM Dear Andrea, 1- once the SKL verification phase has been closed, and one or more contracts have been signed with current “customers”, is the possibility of contracting others with new customers still open? 2- Are the contract or several agreed agreements referring to geographical areas (different nations or groups of nations) or are they global (referring to the whole world)? 3- Will part or parts of the SKL be produced and supplied only by Leonardo? Thank you for what you do and for the information that you deem appropriate to release. Gian Caro Andrea, chiusa la fase delle verifiche del SKL, e firmati uno o più contratti con gli attuali “clienti”, rimane aperta la possibilità di contrarne altri con nuovi clienti? Il contratto o i più contratti concordati sono riferiti ad aree geografiche (nazioni o gruppi di nazioni diverse) o sono Globali (riferiti all’intero Mondo)? Parte o parti del SKL verranno prodotte e fornite unicamente da Leonardo? Grazie per quanto fai e per le informazioni che ritieni opportuno rilasciarci. Gian --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrea Rossi May 3, 2020 at 12:47 PM Gian: 1- yes 2- we did not grant global agreements 3- yes Warm Regards, A.R. Brokeeper asked this question on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: 1. Are these companies not just capable of but also will begin to manufacture the E-Cats for themselves and distribution throughout their regions? Rossi’s reply was “yes." There is an inconsistency here with what was said earlier, with Leonardo saying it will be providing the two key components 100% right now at the start up --- this might actually be a contingency plan to work around a total production constraint bottle neck at Leonardo Corp's single relatively small facility. This is a potential bottleneck which is being seen as a "up and coming" expansion bottleneck fairly early on, with some few trusted partners (ABB for example) already being planned for and already being tasked for expanded key component manufacture for Leonardo Corp. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 05/07/20 at 15:50:42 Synopsis: Rossi reports good success demonstrating his E-Cat SK (heat only) and his E-Cat SKL (mixed heat and electrical output) using the new smaller stackable body sizes and new smaller stackable controller size. Approximately 10 devices of each of the current unit types are estimated to have been built at this point and these 20 units are now running long term stability / reliability exploratory tests as we speak. Rossi sez his prototype "show me" demo stage for this initial PRE-marketable tech is over for right now. Along with his international partners and their customers the relatively larger Industrial Design stage now begins, with integration, testing, certifying body approvals and then actual sales beginning once certifications are given to the products by the applicable certification source bodies. Rossi firmly states that the SK (heat only) is considered a viable product for sale right now whereas the SKL (electricity only) is still only considered a "prototype of an item under development" that IS NOT CONSIDERED READY FOR SALE RIGHT NOW. NDA terms are going to be quite tight on the Industrial Design stage for both types of E-Cat since this is all about integration with somebody else's IP and somebody else's product designs. The end customer/distributor will have to selectively release whatever info gets released after UL / other regulatory bodies are satisfied, not Rossi. Work still continues on the new still yet more powerful classes of E-Cats that are still under initial development, Rossi sez. Major size uses such as railways, trucks, ships, power stations etc. will need much larger more powerful SKL devices. Up scaling these things has always been very difficult to do, and this has not changed any, really. So, improvements to the SK "heat only" and the SKL (electric output E-Cat tech) are ongoing and always will be with us churning around in the background. Remember, 5 watts is the current electric SKL size and that is really too small to be useful in many applications as you would have to stack up way too too many of them to be useful. SK (heat only) is currently maxing out at 10 watts heat output per unit, with a single controller able to light 10 units up in a rolling sequence and to keep them controlled and maintained at a steady output level. =================================================== Rossi has made him a very few current roll out deals, apparently. Rossi now has him a very few development partners who have at least one bold customer each that are trying to fit Rossi's existing product into their own product's designs and these bold pioneer folks will only make whatever progress that can be made off of the currently up for sale 2020 state of the Rossi art. Rossi only wants a very few development partners to work with right now since he has very limited resources of his very own and these folks will need a lot of hand holding to get up and going with their applications. Best first project will be a plug in module containing all of the self-destroying reactor components and a plug in matching controller, both of which are easily hot swappable. Once developed tested and certified, this industrial grade component set might actually see some expanding unit sales. I think that there will be some hidden flaws in Rossi's first mix that are (not right now anyway) that are not obvious to anybody (including Rossi). These flaws that will pop up to stymie these very first product's development efforts after about three to six months or so and we will only get another legal battle over who defrauded whom out of them. The next legal bone of contention will be the inevitable NEW VERSIONS of E-Cats that Rossi will invent, new versions that will have some extra more desirable traits that the folks already trying to incorporate E-Cat into their products will want and need, but these first folks will greatly resent having to pay for the new stuff all over again. So, the next stop is a brand new set of court cases all over again ........ Please remember, current Rossi devices still inherently self-destruct inside a 1-2 year period due to internal transformations and material destroying EVO pitting of the reactor bodies with the SKL electrical output class of devices likely self destructing about twice that fast since they have to let the plasma actually touch the electrical pickup contact points which will then get EVO eroded that much more quickly. Until this improves, there is no real salable marketable SKL product. =================================================== Rossi is now hinting on the brand new vistas of consumer regulatory "concerns" which are becoming apparent from Britain. Brit law is very very very pro-consumer and assumes the consumer is a complete idiot that has to be multi-level protected from the dangers arising from their own ignorance and this results in an excessive level of restrictive regulation that is prompting Rossi to tell his British distributors to "you go deal with all of this unique British garbage requirements" with their own testing programs. I sense Rossi is going to refocus on Norway, Sweden and the USA as those country's products are accepted by and large for shipment into Britain under the current British grandfathering rules. =================================================== Rossi now states that his #1 foremost distributor/client set feels that the current ECat SKL prototype is not yet ready for their main development push due to the inherent nagging reliability concerns (i.e. short unit life due to erosion of the pickup electrodes). Until Rossi invents a general unit reliability / enhanced unit life span breakthrough in his designs this generation's push for a ECat SKL roll out is done at this time. SK (heat only) is doing a bit better, but still no big roll out plans have been announced. Only one (1) SK unit currently remains at a customer site, the remainder of the units have come back in under terms of the "buy the heat" agreement with each customer. Rossi has said that at this time SKL units will not be constantly internet controlled since some of them are going to be in mobile units. SK units are still seen as fixed units, so they can be hooked into the internet for software maintenance & "upgrades". SKL units can get upgrades through wireless connections to your home system, so SKL will likely be more loosely maintained in that fashion. Rossi thinks that auto updating is still important as most improvements lately are AI and software related while the hardware is considered relatively fixed compared to the software side of things. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 06/29/20 at 16:14:41 https://e-catworld.com/2020/06/05/lattice-confinement-fusion-nasa-announces-then-un-announces-discovery-of-potential-new-power-generation-method https://e-catworld.com/2020/06/27/rossi-and-team-increasing-the-energy-density-of-the-e-cat/ We got two things going on that may be the same thing as seen from different perspectives. Rossi is working on a SKL that has better "density" (more energy per volume) and NASA is floating patents on a nickel matrix device that has waste radioactives in it and deuterium gas as its host gas. The NASA device is intended for unmanned long distance missions and it intentionally runs on up in the "active emissions" range of LENR outputs. Yes, that means radioactive radiation is produced ....... With this radiation trade off, you can use radioactive waste breakdown to give you a lot of extra power and much greater durability of the fuel charge. Your satellite has no meat animals on it to be harmed by the hot nature of the device,this hot nature is similar to the large amounts of very expensive transuranics that have been used for decades now in long term exploratory satellites. The large amount of hot nasty stuff in the old satellites or the smaller amount in the new ones still means that you still have to intentionally crash the satellite into the ocean where it is nice and deep (if they are going be allowed to fall back to earth at all) ....... or you intentionally let them wander off into deep space forever. This shows that the earlier NASA research efforts to use LENR to transmute/recover radioactive wastes have indeed yielded some mixes that have significant power outputs compared to the 100% clean stuff that Rossi is pushing with his E-Cats. It also indicates that a deep understanding of Rossi's stuff exists apart from Rossi. In both cases, Rossi has been apparently doing some "occasional" work for a paying customer along the way ....... NASA put up the patents for the devices on line for several days, then took them down for security reasons. Being the internet, they were all cached several times while they were active and that info is still available as links in the web sites listed above. ================================================== Rossi now sees the SK (heat only) units becoming "over taken" shortly by the SKL units. Since none of the above are being sold yet, it is all a moot point right now. The theory of LENR is getting more complex and more "mature" as more directed basic research is done. We are understanding "right and left hand rotation particle change" better and that leads to understanding "transformation of elements" better. It no longer takes a supernova to make up transuranic elements any longer, they can slide together without all that BIG BANG that was presumed necessary by earlier scientists. Exotic Vacuum Objects are still only partially understood, but small ones can reliably exist when powered by a 9 volt battery ....... that is significant potential progress in power generation. And yes, some of the power seen is coming from the vacuum. While we certainly don't understand the multi-dimensional aspects of LENR yet but we are advanced enough to entertain these "energy from the vacuum" sort of ideas once it is realized that LENR is not any form of fusion a la any of the types of hydrogen bomb fusion that we know about ....... Instead LENR is some form of energy generated during transformation of particles but the full element transformations that may result from "adding in" the particle transformations that result in extra neutrons, protons and electrons are not 1) seen as necessarily "beneficial" nor are they 2) the source of the energy or the organized electron flows produced by SKL units. Rossi now thinks Bohm's thoughts hit closest to the mark at this particular point in space/time (pun is intentional). |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 07/13/20 at 01:45:04 https://e-catworld.com/2020/07/07/mining-the-e-cats-plasma/ We have people raking through old electrical discharge plasma research which is finding that a lot of this EVO stuff was "discovered" back in the 30's and has been worked through a couple of more times in the 50's and 60's. https://youtu.be/cAFNgYqj0vU (this is a video, click on it) Greenier makes an interesting conceptual leap, he points out that the Earth's crust around you is littered with geodes, items with ratios of thickness, wall size and diameter which are always a consistent ratio and functionally seem to match up with the ratios of the EVO remnants found inside the minerals of his reactor walls. ONE MORE TIME ...... the geometry ratios (radius, wall thickness and diameter ratios) of the geodes matches up with the ratios of the tiny things that Bob sees in his reactor EVOs. Once again, more proof that LENR is a natural phenomena, a very long standing natural item that can only have application patents placed against it. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 07/18/20 at 05:49:29 https://e-catworld.com/2020/07/13/rossi-clifford-algebra-unlocks-the-mechanism-of-the-e-cat/ https://e-catworld.com/2020/07/16/rossi-thinks-zero-point-energy-is-source-e-cats-power/ Rossi ‘Thinks’ Zero Point Energy is Source of E-Cat’s Power Posted on July 16, 2020 • 44 Comments Here’s an interesting Q&A from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today: Greta July 16, 2020 at 1:47 AM Dr Rossi, Does have your effect in the Ecat SKL its primary source in the point zero energy ? Greta Andrea Rossi July 16, 2020 at 2:46 AM Greta: I think so, Warm Regards, A.R. A summary about zero-point energy (ZPE) from Wikipedia: Zero-point energy (ZPE) is the lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical system may have. Unlike in classical mechanics, quantum systems constantly fluctuate in their lowest energy state as described by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.[1] As well as atoms and molecules, the empty space of the vacuum has these properties. According to quantum field theory, the universe can be thought of not as isolated particles but continuous fluctuating fields: matter fields, whose quanta are fermions (i.e., leptons and quarks), and force fields, whose quanta are bosons (e.g., photons and gluons). All these fields have zero-point energy.[2] These fluctuating zero-point fields lead to a kind of reintroduction of an aether in physics,[1][3] since some systems can detect the existence of this energy; however, this aether cannot be thought of as a physical medium if it is to be Lorentz invariant such that there is no contradiction with Einstein’s theory of special relativity.[1] Physics currently lacks a full theoretical model for understanding zero-point energy; in particular, the discrepancy between theorized and observed vacuum energy is a source of major contention.[4] Physicists Richard Feynman and John Wheeler calculated the zero-point radiation of the vacuum to be an order of magnitude greater than nuclear energy, with a single light bulb containing enough energy to boil all the world’s oceans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy ZPE is one of those fields that has been discussed and theorized in the world of science (and science fication) and has fascinating possibilities, but to this point, no technology has come to market that harnesses ZPE, but maybe if Rossi is correct, the E-Cat can change all that. Clifford Algebra is needed to understand the technical explanations --- good luck with that stuff, boys and girls ....... And with any brand new field of science, they spend a lot of time chasing a lot of wrong rabbits and a lot of time just proving it ISN'T what they first thought it was at all. In this case, the Coulomb barrier is not being breached as it is not being violated by something entering into the nucleus of the atom against the native repulsive charge and "spin forces" --- the new mini-particles that are coming into being occur inside the Coulomb barrier carrying the same charge and spin as all the rest of the nucleus, so to them it is "home sweet home" to begin with. Ergo, no ejected particles and no radiation ...... In conversation, Rossi drops the key reason he thinks some form of zero point or vacuum energy is involved is that his first reactors "used up" their fuel in about a year. Rossi's current crops of long term test reactors are running multiple years now at full power with no degradation of power output seen at this time. The current life span limiter of a Rossi reactor is the progression of EVO pitting (formation of tiny geodes) in the reactor materials, especially in any electrodes that are poking into the plasma to act as electron collectors. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 07/24/20 at 03:14:16 https://e-catworld.com/2020/07/23/rossi-preparing-exponentially-superior-e-cat-skl-for-tests/ Rossi Preparing ‘Exponentially Superior’ E-Cat SKL For Tests Posted on July 23, 2020 • 46 Comments Andrea Rossi has stated that he has been working on developing a higher density version of the E-Cat SKL, and from the following Q&A, it seems that it is not far away from being put into action: Fredrick July 23, 2020 at 7:03 AM Dr Rossi, Can you make a comparison between the complexity of the Ecat SKL first module and the new one you are making with a much higher power density ? Andrea Rossi July 23, 2020 at 8:10 AM Fredrik: The new Ecat SKL has a much more complex structure, albeit it has the same dimensions. I’d say that the last one has a technology exponentially superior. We are still mounting it and it should be ready for the first tests within the end of this week. Warm Regards, A.R. We don’t know what the initial power output of the the SKL version 1 is, so it makes it hard to guess what the new one will be. Rossi has stated interest in having an SKL powerful enough to be used in electric vehicles, so perhaps he is trying to reach levels similar to those of the current EV batteries on the market. It becomes more clear that in the first round of SKL demo runs that Rossi has found him a viable customer that is very interested in charging EV batteries. In pursuit of this customer application, Rossi is barreling down on a potential battery booster technology using his newest wave of E-Cat SKL tech. Verbally, Rossi alludes to 1,000 electrodes penetrating the plasma envelope to act as multi-redundant electrical pick up points. A one week long experiment starts tonight --- this newest theory will either work great or it will fail very very quickly. Rossi hopes that by having "enough pick up electrodes" means that he can lose a proportion of them randomly due to EVO pitting and still have a long term functional reactor. ::) Base research like this leads to improvements in Rossi's reactors. Rossi is already hinting that his SKL will overlap and replace the old SK "heat only" reactor because Rossi can turn the heat way down and the electricity extraction way up, or conversely turn the heat up and the electricity extraction way down at will. Attach a room thermostat and a power wall battery to the mix and you've got a room heater that can charge your car and power all your laptop and electronics for peanuts while heating your room. An all electric remote living RV could become possible ...... A gas pack sized outside environmental control unit could environmentally control your house ...... power all your gizmos ..... charge your car. Remote living would be possible. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/01/20 at 00:15:15 https://e-catworld.com/2020/07/31/rossi-new-e-cat-skl-revolutionary-masterpiece-of-my-life/ Rossi: New E-Cat SKL ‘Revolutionary, Masterpiece of My Life’ Andrea Rossi posted this comment on the Journal of Nuclear Physics today: Andrea Rossi July 31, 2020 at 12:49 PM Aleksei Savchenko and All Readres of the JoNP: Just finished now my job of today, started early this morning at 5.30 A.M. The work of today has been important, but it is important also this introduction to the information: THE TEST OF TODAY HAS BEEN IMPORTANT, BECAUSE I USED A REVOLUTIONARY CONFIGURATION OF THE ECAT SKL, BUT FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO MAKE THIS DISCLAIMER: THE TEST OF TODAY HAS BEEN MADE BY ME ALONE, NOBODY ELSE WAS PRESENT, NOT EVEN BY SKYPE, THEREFORE THESE DATA MUST BE READ WITH RESERVE ( IN ITALIAN WE SAY ” CON BENEFICIO D’INVENTARIO” ). In September, Covid 19 permitting, we will have an important third party nominated by a Partner that will control the measurements remaking them. Therefore for now you are just taking my word, right or wrong as it might be, albeit I think I am right. The new Ecat SKL is the masterpiece of my life. It works in closed loop and generates the electric energy to fuel itself, plus generates 4 kWh/h of electric energy. I consumed only 130 Wh/h to flow away the thermal energy that is irradiated from the Ecat ( about 1 kWh/h of thermal energy is in total emitted ). The volume of the Ecat reactor is in total 100 cubic cm, while the whole is contained in a heat dissipator box whose dimensions are cm 20 x 20 x 20, plus we have outside it the control box, which is extremely complex and does not dissipate heat thanks to passive cooling systems that are very efficient. More work has to be done, but now for a couple of weeks I will take my holidays, because I am very tired. A big step forward has been done. We should possibly have an electric engine with infinite autonomy, it seems. We’ll see. Warm Regards, A.R. Rossi comes across as exhausted but elated, his "thousand electrical contacts" idea worked and he harvested 4 kilowatt hours of electricity from it over the course of the one day experimental run. Not bad from an initial experimental rig up ....... His reactor outer housing (less control box) is ~ twice ~ the size of a gallon of milk. Inside it is the reactor proper which is roughly the size of a kid's waxed cardboard apple juice container. Rossi got roughly the electrical power output of a 5hp gasoline generator off this unit once he got it running close to right. He ran it for 24 hours to see if it was stable and to see if it would restart easily, then he stopped it pending customer input on customer required 3rd party tests. He "heat wastes" 1/4 of his electrical output level in misc. stray heat, which is somewhat similar to what normal gasoline engines do (actually, at a better yield to waste heat ratio than gas engines currently do). You can charge a Tesla during the night off this sort of power output levels. Three of them could run the Tesla directly with a small battery just for surge type acceleration loads. ======================================= Rossi and his main customer now need to decide how to announce/demo/test this thing, once the customer is satisfied it really meets his needs for durability and power delivery. Last time the Customer came in, he left disappointed but gave Rossi a list of things to do before calling him back. Rossi still needs to prove DURABILITY which takes time to do. Rossi can sell what he has now to somebody, even if his current main customer still remains somewhat disappointed in the existing state of the art. Reminder, most RV gas generators are around this size of power outputs, so you could likely run your electrical motored RV home off of one without much trouble, charging up your main battery bank for the next leg of your trip and making your hot water and winter heating for free from the waste heat. Most likely, the big non-disclosure silence descends all over everything again, pending full multiple customer reviews and decisions. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/05/20 at 02:34:12 This is the Ragone plot of all the various E-Cats vs a gram of plutonium in a state of the art plutonium reactor (small very radioactive hot reactor) similar to what is used in NASA deep space probes. There is a lot of discussion about these plots as to whether you should use total reactor weight or just the charge weight in your calculations -- since E-Cat L doesn't really use much reactor charge weight as consumables you could argue that E-Cat L gets closer to plutonium as far as energy per gram goes ...... So, the power efficiency of the fuel itself is a different question from the reactor installation's total overall efficiency ---- the bad news is that the data this chart is based upon is mixed up between these items since Rossi does not offer detailed fuel consumption data on all his installations. HOWEVER, you can plot the actual output power levels to see what the reactors functional output was relative to each other ....... this is more relevant to most folks in the short term anyway. Combo output reactors like Rossi's E-Cat L series are once again difficult to characterize properly as heat isn't all of it and plotting "electrical only" is ignoring the benefits to be taken from the "waste heat" which in a good installation the heat always gets used too. Rossi's oldest reactors always ran up at the ragged edge of melt down because he could not control and moderate them very well at that early-on point in time --- Rossi used cooling water flow to keep these reactors from melting down as they would destroy themselves otherwise. Rossi has learned a bunch about how to control his newer generations of reactors and it shows in the "less than meltdown level" running outputs that he can run at now-a days. There is hope to be taken from these more moderate output levels ---- that "larger reactors" that wouldn't melt down might actually become possible out in the future. http://https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/00f3d7a849cf463945473db4a4c678cf7a9b35c16b772fff6c0cc9480b2f631a.png?w=800&h=379 |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 08/07/20 at 07:19:27 I am still not convinced. I was able to look through some of this on a flight back to CO and the ground-wire readings from the older system are still to accurate for me to ignore. I took the time to re-watch the entire 3 hour video, pausing at times, taking notes on comments etc. Why in the Jan video, or any other source of information, are the measurement points not defined? This in any other environment makes measurements useless. I just can't see why anyone that has a 1 input to 14 output ratio of energy would disallow all measurements of internal source output? Measurements would not reveal any intellectual tech/concepts/information etc. Why will he not let anyone measure the ground wire while he is away from the device control? This is his largest nemesis, one test and it would be over. Why keep a simple ground wire reading from being done? Nothing about a ground wire reading reveals anything about E-cat tech. I need to find time to do more research, my understanding is the maximum theoretical conversion efficiency of any heat engine would be equal to 100% or at least extremely close, but I need to get together with a number of people to help me get a better grasp on how this works specifically. With all this COVID diversion with my work it's been hard to schedule these types of conferences but as I return to my normal job I plan to look into this further. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/07/20 at 08:22:35 "Feeding the fake" through the ground wire was fairly completely debugged on the first few public tests by Uppsala University professors and engineers. Next, the lawsuit with Industrial Heat never claimed that Rossi didn't make enough heat during the one year test -- they claimed Rossi did not transfer all the knowledge to them as per the agreement as their own test units didn't work right when they built them. Simple, easy to identify things like ground wires are not what is going on or Rossi would have been caught out by them by now. Next, the current most modern E-Cat L starts the plasma up off a relatively small battery which powers up the start of the plasma cycle, after which the E-Cat L is a net producer of both electric power and heat. And since E-Cat L is intended for mobile uses IT DOES NOT GET HOOKED UP TO WIRED HOUSE POWER CONNECTIONS at all so "feeding the fake" through the ground wire need not even try to apply as an explanation of the current E-Cat L devices. ::) HOWEVER, being realistic --- Rossi does have a very poor history with his partners, really he does. The only ones that have stuck around for any length of time are once again not selling or integrating his stuff with their products at this point in time. (they have unresolved issues with poor reactor durability and relatively low 1 year unit life spans) That fact makes us all feel a little dubious that Rossi really has a saleable product right now. Rossi will only sign on a partner with the signature of a very complex non-disclosure agreement that prevents partners from making any disclosure of why the relationship ended when it does end ...... and end they do, yessiree ...... end they do. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 08/07/20 at 10:53:12 ""Feeding the fake" through the ground wire was fairly completely debugged on the first few tests." How was this done? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/07/20 at 19:58:31 Eegore, you need to be more familiar with the entire timeline. You are asking moldy questions that were posed a LONG TIME AGO and an entire University sponsored test series was done after that generation of machines came and went. Uppsala tests carefully handled the ground wire questions, so do your research on that. Rossi now no longer does big public demos because of the time drain posed by questions like yours. He said he would eventually do a new series of public demos to showcase his newest tech, but then due to virus lockdown travel restrictions the potential business partners had to send people to Rossi instead so Rossi achieved his demos privately. Yes, Rossi got his new tech's partner testing done privately and ROSSI FAILED TO IMPRESS HIS CUSTOMERS CONCERNING REACTOR LIFE AND DURABILITY ISSUES. He still has interested parties following his EV charging technology which is intended as remote or mobile tech that has no ground wire involved in it. ================================================== In looking I found some timelines for Rossi that go way way way back. The most exhaustive of which was put together by Steven B. Krivit, a very consistent and meticulous Rossi hater extraordinaire. Krivit's timeline includes a lot of very tilted information from Krivit's own Rossi hating web pages. Rossi tends to polarize people due to his manner, and he is so secretive it can cause even normal folks to instantly mistrust him. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/RossiTimeline.shtml is the Rossi hater time line. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Andrea-Rossi-Energy-Catalyzer-Investigation-Index2.shtml NEXT ..... Ian Bryce is an alternate skeptic that does not get along well with Krivit as they always argue as to how Rossi is cheating this time. Ian Bryce also has a web page and has posted his own timeline which reads as a little less manic than some of Krivit's stuff. https://skepticalinquirer.org/2019/05/rossis-e-cat-expose-of-a-claimed-cold-fusion-device/ Ian Bryce is the one who came up with your hot ground wire powering everything hypothesis, so read here to see it all explained. Time line spot it as a pre-Industrial Heat issue thing, and then let it go as ground wire power was tested for in all post Industrial Heat tests that were done by various test groups. The biggest remaining ground wire thing is that skeptic groups always seem to want the ground wire to be constantly monitored in all tests, as they NEED that ground wire to be a hot power supply so very desperately or else they might have to actually believe that the E-Cat actually works. Look boys, no ground wire exists in the current E-Cat L tests, so get over it. And yes, beamed microwaves has already been suggested (but nobody got their gonads toasted walking through the energetic beam path so you got to let that one go too). |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 08/07/20 at 21:21:10 Thanks for the information. Now that I can start stepping off the Covid train I can get a few people together and start reviewing this again. The 2014 Uppsala tests didn't exactly pass the "simple proof" parameter in my book but I will go through it in more detail when I can. Why aren't simpler tests being done? "Look boys, no ground wire exists in the current E-Cat L tests, so get over it." Yeah I am lucky enough to know a really good "laser guy" that has been building laser assemblies for decades. Worked on satellite tech for Atlas Pacific. He engineered a custom rig for me a few years back. He thinks the new system is laser heat, which someone else asked in the Jan video actually, but we haven't sat down and gone over the math. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/19/20 at 07:32:06 https://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/nuclear/nuclear-fusiontokamak-not-included “NASA researchers demonstrate the ability to fuse atoms inside room-temperature metals. … In fact, all they needed was a bit of metal, some hydrogen, and an electron accelerator. The team believes that their method, called lattice confinement fusion, could be a potential new power source for deep space missions. Aug 5, 2020” NASA puts their web page back up with links to other NASA data and research data from others as well. https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/space/science/lattice-confinement-fusion/ Cold fusion works, boys and girls ...... :o NASA and your Federal Government says so. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/21/20 at 04:03:44 https://youtu.be/WXMEEWTbJ_8 it is a video, click on it This is the latest Brilliant Light Power -- Sun Cell -- one that has a greatly reduced only 10x "controllable" power output. Watch the video, this is the entire length of the run that was recorded for you to watch so I guess I can say that a Sun Cell has a ~ 60 second cycle ~ from dead cold to melt down levels, which is four times longer than it used to be. Progress, yes ....... slow but steady. Rossi is much further along compared to Mill's Brilliant Light Power research group. Rossi makes little power levels off of little reactors that he struggles to upsize any much at all as he uses "BIG coolant flow" tricks to stop his run aways when they happen. Mills started too big and is always struggling to keep his stuff from melting down inside a minute. NASA has to use an electron gun from an X-Ray machine (same sort was used in an old TV vacuum picture tube) to keep their unit percolating, so NASA is inherently more controllable than Mill's Sun Cell. If you consider RADIOACTIVE as controllable, that is ..... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/24/20 at 16:03:51 Rossi had a 4 day short vacation break from his recent self pushed customer requested labors and Rossi (now mentally refreshed from the 4 day break) has come up with a refinement to the HAL programming that has apparently put his existing 1000 contacts E-Cat SKL prototype reactor up in the range of 95% electricity and only 5% heat while raising his charging output level from 5 watts continuous output to 20 watts continuous output ..... at 20 watts he has a good enough overnight battery charger for a smaller EV vehicle like a Nissan Leaf. :o wow !!! Rossi sez he has beaten the top two items left for him as challenges (inside 2 months time no less) from his EV vehicle customer. Bill Conley also points out that Rossi is moving so fast now-a-days he might could possibly skip on past something important in his rush to go make his newest variants. https://e-catworld.com/2020/08/06/more-from-rossi-on-the-physics-behind-the-e-cat/ Bill Conley August 23, 2020 at 7:23 PM Andrea, My congratulations on the very rapid confirmation of 95%+ electric efficiency for the latest SKL variant. Folks at ECW are very excited about this tremendous achievement and look forward even more to the September testing and your subsequent presentation. There are a few Physicists at ECW who believe strongly that the reaction at work in yielding the SKL’s tremendous energy output will also cause it to self-destruct (eat itself) over time. (1) Are you satisfied that the SKL is durable for extended run times and will not materially degrade? (2) If so, what has led you to that conclusion (i.e. detailed inspection of SKL reactor internals before/after extended runs). Thanks in advance for your reply and general openness to our many questions. Bill Conley Take a deep breath and apply the "50% of what Rossi Sez" ratio to this last Rossi breakthrough --- it is still sounds like a fairly important breakthrough. When Rossi demos this same breakthrough at only 50% as good as he claims (privately demoed of course) he should get at least one business partner taker to fund a first vehicle trial unit ..... then he can apply normal reality to what he has been doing. This gives you a rough guess at battery capacity and rough time to charge at a constant 20 watts. COMPANY MODEL KWH/100 MI ANNUAL ELECTRICITY USAGE (KWH) Tesla Model S 27 3,600 Audi e-tron 47 6,300 Hyundai Kona 25 3,300 Kia Soul EV 26 3,600 Chevy Bolt EV 25 3,400 BMW i3 28 3,700 Nissan LEAF 27 3,600 Volkswagon 29 3,900 Honda Clarity 29 3,900 |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/25/20 at 13:47:11 Getting a little perspective on this latest breakthrough ...... Stephen • 30 minutes ago To get the thermal aspects in perspective. At 95% power to heat ratio levels the ecat SKL produces 1/3 heat than of a typical 3kW house hold tea kettle. Whilst producing all the typical family house hold's electrical power needs on as needed basis. A powerwall battery unit could store excess electrical and even out the power usage demand over time. It’s likely the waste heat requirement may not coincide with the power requirements so a heat storage method will be needed to even out the heat usage over time. For example heat the water in a fairly large hot water storage tank then use the hot water for bathing, etc plus supplying spot hot water heaters around the house. On the other hand it makes so little heat --- and it might be simpler just to waste it and use the electricity for on demand use when and where needed. 1 • Reply • Share › Avatar Bob Greenyer Stephen • 27 minutes ago The typical natural gas central heating uses 3kW of gas permanently in the winter - but an on-demand natural gas powered shower/tap requires 24kW 1 • Reply • Share › [ch8722] Avatar Stephen Bob Greenyer • 25 minutes ago • edited Interesting thanks. Maybe a hot water tank would be the way to go. Less on demand electrical heating required. It Might then still be manageable with 1 device. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/26/20 at 18:16:28 OK, some more Rossi comment based "truth time" time --- Rossi's newest wrinkle has a wrinkle or two of its very own. Rossi admits to a slow oscillation of the electrical output level, at approximately a 10% level of variation over a 10 minute peak to peak cycle period. He expects to refine this slow cyclic variation to reduce it and to possibly to cause the overall 95% ratio of electricity to heat number to go up while doing so. So Rossi will continue to work on the reactor and control system ..... and Rossi also plans work on a new refinement of the 1000 contact point reactor's construction (simplifying it and making it more suitable for bulk manufacture). Rossi needs be able to easily build enough of these new reactors to do a preliminary "time to degrade" test series ---- he needs to know this information before he tries to sell it to somebody or to approach CSA or UL for certification. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/29/20 at 18:44:29 OK, Rossi has announced his partner has immediately requested a 3rd party test of Rossi's recent advancements in 95% electrical output and his 1000 contacts format durability increases. Partner gets to pick the who, but Rossi can publish what he wants to out of the 3rd party results since this is obviously still a Rossi development / scientific breakthrough project and it is not tied in with the customer's IP yet. When is September (ie very soon) to start the 3rd party evaluation, noting this evaluation will take a while to fully complete since it involves durability over time and will likely require tearing the reactor apart at the end of the test counting the EVO pitted pins, etc. etc. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller on 08/31/20 at 21:42:52 https://e-catworld.com/2020/08/31/rossi-money-money-money-needed-to-go-to-war-with-the-e-cat/ Folks have begun to warn Rossi about assassins and hit men coming to see him --- many of his supporters have asked him to duplicate his key data MULTIPLE TIMES in secure locations because of what happened with the FBI when Nikola Tesla abruptly died. It sounds like a dream come true for an energy-hungry world trying to wean itself off fossil fuels. But the way Rossi is posting now, it sounds like major problems are just beginning, as he states today in response to a question today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: Calle H August 30, 2020 at 7:33 AM Dear Andrea, It is easy to understand the impact the E-Cat will have on our society. On one side the elite will lose power when they no longer can control world energy flows. On another side the poor and energy dependant population will bear fruit for not having to pay the high price for energy as governed by the elite. On a third side the E-Cat will put a stop to the very source for climate change. Which of the three sides do you think will be most important when the E-Cat is introduced? Thank you for your very impressive work. Calle H Andrea Rossi August 30, 2020 at 12:43 PM Calle H: We will fight for the second and third way, but we will meet more bayonets than flowers and our foes will not be several idiots from some fora, as it happens now. At the beginning. This is why we are so prudent to start the battle. It will be a war, not a triumph. And to make a war you need three things: 1: money 2: money 3: money Warm Regards, A.R. We have discussed extensively on this site over the years the impact a working E-Cat could have on the world. As Calle H mentions in his comment above, the E-Cat producing very cheap, clean energy would be a boon for producers and consumers, and an answer to the prayers of environmentalists the world over. But he also refers to powerful interests who would lose money and influence if current sources of energy are superseded. For a long time, Rossi has repeatedly insisted that all energy sources could be integrated, but he hasn’t made that statement recently. Maybe because he thinks the E-Cat has improved to point where realistically it could realistically eclipse other power sources quite quickly. Rossi has operated for many years largely ignored, I think partly because many people think he is either incompetent, delusional, or plain lying about the E-Cat. So long as the E-Cat stays in his lab, it is of little threat to the existing order. If his claims about the E-Cat are verified by credible outsiders, however, things will change dramatically, and I am sure he and those he is working with realize that. If the E-Cat SKL is demonstrated to work very well, it could be considered such a threat to existing energy interests that they could try to find ways to snuff it out if it looks like it will compete in the marketplace. I think this is why Rossi is talking about preparing for war. Pessimists are predicting Rossi will get squashed like a bug by "Big Money". :P |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 09/01/20 at 12:56:01 I've found that pretty much any time third party assessments come around on a project like this they can either choose to go ahead with proving their machine works, and die, or just keep portions to themselves and keep making money. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 09/03/20 at 17:18:47 https://e-catworld.com/2020/09/04/rossi-no-radiation-of-any-kind-emitted-by-the-e-cat-including-strange-radiation/ Rossi: No Radiation of Any Kind Emitted by the E-Cat (Including ‘Strange Radiation) Posted on September 4, 2020 • 0 Comments Andrea Rossi has always shown respect to Russian physicist Dr. Alexander Parkhomov, and seems to hold his work in high esteem. Thus, after Parkhomov published data in 2018 from experiments in which ‘strange radiation’ was detected in his systems (see more here), Andrea Rossi apparently found it interesting enough to do experiments of his own to see if the E-Cat was producing similar effects. Today, Rossi wrote the following in response to a question about whether he thought there was any risk of the E-Cat being dangerous from the production of strange radiation. His response: Andrea Rossi September 3, 2020 at 3:22 PM Brice: I studied carefully the work of Dr Parkhomov about the “strange radiations” that I decided to take care of seriously and we made the same measurements he published to check if we have any similar result. We did not have any strange radiation, and it is to us obvious because of the structure of the Ecat SKL. We will be able to give a certification that the Ecat SKL does not emit any kind of known noxious radiation. Thank you for your insight. Warm Regards, A.R. Rossi has contended recently that there is nothing about the E-Cat that could be considered dangerous in terms of any kind of radiation, and that it does not fall under the purview of any nuclear authority because the E-Cat does not operate from nuclear reactions. Here is a comment from earlier this week: Andrea Rossi August 31, 2020 at 7:52 AM KeithT: We do not have nuclear reactions in the Ecat, we never detected ionizing radiations emitted by the Ecat, after thousands of measurements , among which measurements repeatedly made by the Government of Florida and by radiology departments of important universities. Our technology is based on electrons, not on nuclea, as explained in my theoretical paper http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interaction About the other issues, I deem them groundless. Thank you for your advice. Warm Regards, A.R. Rossi takes a clear stance on the issue of LENR (he isn't LENR based and has said so for nearly two years now) and Rossi's E-Cat SKL has NO nuclear interactions at all and according to Rossi E-Cat SKL has no failure mechanisms that can emit any known forms of nuclear style ionizing particle radiation. SKL is plasma based electrons spinning in concerted motion emitting some minor heat and light ,,,,,,, that's all. As such, Rossi says his E-Cat SKL is not subject to any more regulation than a plasma glow ball lamp. http://https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcTuwm0OKXwsR15lH8esP5l_4CWNvYQVDqgD_jkrRS-YKEhMjhyhhd-jCqp71ppRvQ50a6HW-USJnAIb3LrLrn2T_DiUnZ2V5DVVa98a-tFiM3-GBNJs-xFbrQ&usqp=CAc HOWEVER, Rossi is naturally cautious and he already uses multi-layer opaque metal cooling shells in his heat transfer reactor constructions. These would provide ample shielding should any Parkhomov reactions take place due to whatever whenever. Rossi's partners will very likely put other forms of personal safety prevention in place for whatever other identified items that they see as "outside chance" potential items. For example, the light emitted can get to be too bright and tends towards the higher frequencies -- so the light needs to have no way of getting out of the reactor body itself in order to maintain proper eye safety. Caution is the name of the game, after all. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 09/07/20 at 05:26:11 https://e-catworld.com/2020/09/06/rossi-two-third-party-e-cat-tests-coming-up/ Rossi: Two Third Party E-Cat Tests Coming Up Posted on September 6, 2020 • 16 Comments Andrea Rossi today has clarified the situation regarding third party testing of the E-Cat. I followed up on a question from Brice posted on the Journal of Nuclear Physics where Rossi responded that the first test would be He stated that the first test, scheduled for September, will be a test with a future business partner, and a later test will be with a certification agency. Frank Acland September 6, 2020 at 8:37 AM Dear Andrea, Let me see if I understand correctly: 1. The test scheduled for September is with a third party which is a potential business partner, not an independent certification agency. 2. Another test will be done by an independent certification agency. 3. Will this second test be done also in September? 4. Will the results of both tests be made public? 5. Do you still expect a public presentation will be made this year? Andrea Rossi September 6, 2020 at 12:09 PM Frank Acland: 1- yes 2- yes 3- probably in October 4- only the results of the certification agency 5- yes Warm Regards, A.R. So the first test that is scheduled to take place this month appears to be private, my guess is that business decisions will be made dependent upon the results of the test. We probably won’t know the details of this test. I expect that the public presentation, hopefully this year, will provide details about the second test. So, Frank Acland as the Office of the Official Leaker lets us all know Rossi is making a private showing to his main EV Customer this month (giving the Customer early notice as per agreement) and providing the Customer with first mover advantage if he chooses to take it. If not, Rossi lets the pack see it ...... Somebody will fund the development stages leading towards a test car this year. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On date 9-11-2020 ---- The first test series controlled by a 3rd Party has begun. Initial confirmation of the electrical output level vs waste heat output has already been completed (this is just verifying the data and a quick debunk of any potential measurement issues). Now Rossi must prove DURABILITY of his new 1,000 contacts reactor structure, a test of some length. For me this raises a question about the location of the testing. Rossi has stated that he will be present during the test as an advisor as well as to ensure the security of the SKL. Given a testing period of 6-12 months, I am left with the sense that it was agreed the testing would be done at Rossi's lab, but under special conditions allowing for 3rd-party control of the SKL being tested. Of course, this guess could easily be wrong . . . Rossi might have taken residence at the 3rd-party's lab. Time or Rossi will tell. ============================================== Italo R. September 11, 2020 at 3:16 PM Dear Dr. Rossi, How long will the current test last? A few hours, a few days? Can you tell us, when it’s done, if it’s done? We don’t want to know the result. We already know it. Obviously positive! Good luck! Italo R. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Andrea Rossi September 11, 2020 at 5:10 PM Italo R: Theoretically from 6 months to one year, 24/7. We’ll see. This first distributor/customer requested test series is still off the original prototype reactor meaning this is a limited test run that will likely be aborted whenever a more refined, more "production line construction layout" of the reactor and the refined (minimized) controller circuitry is put together using real production methods. This original reactor is fated to be torn apart looking for EVO pitting of the pins, etc. This hand built prototype has now proven that the basic (patentable) idea works and it is now just being used to collect information that goes into the construction of a more advanced prototype. Any new ideas developed at this stage need to be tested for 6 months to a year at a minimum and will need to involve multiple test units. An ABB lab is seen by the peanut gallery as the logical location for these next generation "refined design" tests, with the much larger ABB resources being applied to make more rapid advancements. ===================================================== We are now in the early Industrial Design stages for the E-Cat SKL battery powered car charging system. This continues until something craps it out. Rossi stays in his own lab working hard making refinements to his breakthrough ideas and ABB works hard on the refining the reactor structure and the electronics and programming of the HAL controller system. Everyone works on product safety and getting things set up for industrial level safety certifications. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 09/11/20 at 21:59:50 From a 40 ft container, to a 20 foot container, to a pickup toolbox size, now down to a suitcase size, down to a couple of milk jugs in size, now down to 12 cigarette packs in size ........ Outputs are doubling at least at each stage, now evolving away from heat towards pure electrical outputs. Neat stuff, huh? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 09/13/20 at 01:25:38 https://e-catworld.com/2020/09/13/an-interpretation-of-the-current-e-cat-situation/ From the Office of the Official Leaker An Interpretation of the Current E-Cat Situation Posted on September 13, 2020 • 0 Comments The following is simply an interpretation of what could be happening with the E-Cat, based on comments from Andrea Rossi, however I do not know how closely it resembles reality. Imagine you are an executive at an industrial company who has heard about Andrea Rossi and his E-Cat and have enough curiosity to check this guy out to see if this if he is a liar, a lunatic or a genius. If his technology works as he claims, it would be important for your business get involved with it. You start talking with him and he tells you about his product and explains that he is working on an advanced model of his E-Cat that can generate a lot of electricity and some heat with no need for an external energy source and miniscule amounts of fuel. Dr. Rossi tells you that he will put on a demonstration of his product for you, you can come to his lab and test it for yourself, under a strict NDA, of course. If you are satisfied that the E-Cat is really a revolutionary technology, your company and Dr. Rossi’s Leonard Corporation will enter into a business partnership in which you provide resources to commercialize the E-Cat, and Leonardo gives you permission to produce and market it. As you and Dr. Rossi get ready to start this testing, a global pandemic descends on the globe, and all in-person meetings and non-essential travel is put on hold. Dr. Rossi is isolated in his laboratory, and you are stuck in your office. However Dr. Rossi proposes that you get an idea of what his E-Cat can do by showing you some tests via Skype. He sets up an experiment at his lab and invites you to view it. He shows you the E-Cat SKL in operation and shows you power measurements which indicate to you that this machine is actually producing much more electricity and heat that it requires to operate itself. You scratch your head. Is what you are seeing actually real, or is the dottore playing tricks with you? You know that things you see on the internet can be faked, and there is no way you are going to make a deal with Dr. Rossi just because of something you see over Skype. You HAVE to see this E-Cat in person, and test to your heart’s content — but the pandemic is still keeping you from going to see the E-Cat, or from having Dr. Rossi to come and see you. You have no choice but to wait. Weeks and months pass, and slowly but surely the coronavirus crisis begins to ease and some restrictions are lifted. You and Dr. Rossi make a decision that you feel it is safe enough to plan a face-to-face meeting where you can finally see and test the E-Cat SKL for yourself. It is September 2020, and the fateful meeting is arranged. You bring all the testing equipment you can think of to test for watts, amps, ohms, temperature and radiation. Dr. Rossi gets the E-Cat SKL set up and turns it on. It acts just like it did over those Skype video sessions. It is putting out copious amounts of electricity minute after minute, hour after hour, day after day, but it is consuming very little. You set up your radiation detectors around the E-Cat and find that they detect nothing that suggests any unusual or harmful radioactivity. You scratch your head again. The implications of what you are seeing are staggering. You can’t deny what you are witnessing, but at the same time you are having a hard time taking the implications of it all. What you are seeing is completely new and you realize it could affect the world in profound way, and you as a company have an opportunity to play a part bringing this technology into the world But how long can this machine operate like this? It’s been running longer than would be possible with even the best battery somehow hidden in the internal parts. But you need to know the capabilities of the E-Cat in order to market it. Will it shut down after a week or two? When will it need to be refueled? You need to do long-term testing in order to answer those questions, so you arrange with Dr. Rossi to do this. It’s a very interesting and exciting situation, and potentially world-changing venture to be a part of. You wonder how it will all turn out, but you feel like you have no choice now but to continue what you have started. I think Frank Acland is saying that first EV customers are scared shitless now about being "first adopters" in as much as getting publicly slammed for any shenanigans Rossi may do about this stuff out in the future. All of Rossi's dancing puppets are coming home to haunt him, in other words ..... ROSSI HAS AN IMAGE PROBLEM WITH BIG BUSINESS. The corporate image of these companies are very important to them. That is ABB's job (to buffer Rossi's quirky personality and to give reassurance to industrial customers) ....... Rossi may be a a bit of a crackpot, but ABB has been totally respectable and honest for Hundreds of Years now. If Rossi's image and his historical past is really that shaky he should simply license the tech over to ABB outright and then let them develop it with the various customers. Face it, Rossi's past history with his distributors is very very very poor ...... Rossi himself may have become the main hold up. =================================================== https://e-catworld.com/2020/09/15/rossi-e-cat-skl-testers-still-in-his-lab/ Things are still quite hazy (as seen through the secrecy curtain), but I get the feeling that the E-Cat SKL is working well. I asked Andrea Rossi yesterday if the testers of the E-Cat SKL were still doing testing in his lab. His answer was ‘yes’. Today I asked another question: Frank Acland September 14, 2020 at 1:25 PM Dear Andrea, Am I correct in assuming that if the E-Cat SKL was not working, that the testers would have packed up and gone home by now? Andrea Rossi September 15, 2020 at 4:45 AM Frank Acland: Yes. Warm Regards, A.R. =================================================== Also, today on ECW, reader ‘thruthisimportant’ posted this in response to Buck on the previous thread to this one: I like your summary for Antonio and your conclusion is correct. I have followed the project quite close for nine years, met with Rossi more than once, sat in the front in Stockholm 2017 and even watched SKL in Skype this summer. Within a short time, I hope the main discussion here at ECW will switch from: if and how it works, to :how to get it massively diffused. There are numerous issues to solve before SKL has settled in real practical use. Why not start to bring these up already now? I understand that generally speaking, there will be skepticism about Rossi’s claims until a signed-sealed-and-delivered third party report is published. But over the years I have gotten used to working with crumbs and clues here and there when there isn’t much else to go on, and I get the sense that the SKL is really working. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 09/16/20 at 07:47:30 https://e-catworld.com/2020/09/16/brilliant-light-power-video-suncell-first-internal-field-trial/ https://youtu.be/6JQKOc7XUJo it is a YouTube, just click on it “Specifically, we ran the first internal field trial of our 250-kW thermal reactor with a molten gallium to water heat transfer system to produce boiling water and steam on a continuous basis for the planned 45-minute duration of the trial. A real time excerpt of 20% of the run time is shown in this video. Inspection of the SunCell following the run showed that it was in mint condition and ready for the next trial. We plan to run a series of internal field trials in preparation for deploying SunCells to commercial customers to perform field trials in their facilities” Look at the size of those power feed lines --- based on the large amounts of input power being used just to keep the gallium molten that the potential for some "misunderstandings" is rather immense right now. OK, the Mills boys can run for 45 continuous minutes now without melting down the BrilliantLightPower reactor and they can boil some low pressure water in a plastic bucket. Wowsers, Batman !!!! This puts them up at the Lugano advancement level, or 7-10 years ago (pre-Industrial Heat) and well behind Rossi. Safire is acting a good bit more advanced than Sun Cell at this stage of things, but Safire still not directly making any useable electricity ..... much less anywhere near 95% efficiency electricity as Rossi is currently doing. Rossi is at least 5-7 years advanced to the rest of the pack at this stage of things and Rossi is rolling through the first stages of Industrial Design now and he is simultaneously building out his distributor base at the same time. BTW, Rossi's Ecat SKL is in essence confirmed by the silent continued presence of his commercially agreement bound first customers (potential distributors included) --- if they had left his lab in disgust after a week like they did the first time around it would be a completely different story ...... So, the fact they are still sitting there in Rossi's lab plugging away with their tests says something is there that requires them to remain and to continue their testing in the longer term. Interestingly, on Friday the 18th of this month the folks in Rossi's Lab will go past some sort of critical milestone, an important milestone that is not being explained by Rossi or any of the folks in attendance (at least not now, anyway). |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 09/19/20 at 03:37:55 Yesterday, the Customer observers still at Rossi's lab may have watched the crank up of a newly constructed 95+% (refined) SKL device, proving that Rossi can replicate his break through electrical producing E-Cat at will. Next step is to fully streamline the device for production, build the first prototype assembly process line and then build some E-Cat SKLs on that line and then test them to failure (this will take a long, but basically unknown amount of time). Note, this is 100% product and process development activity, leading to a first production line. Meanwhile, Rossi has ticked all the boxes on the list left by his first distributor customer three months ago and is building up a track record of personal performance that so far is unblemished. He had done the same with Industrial Heat, until the cracks appeared in that trust relationship when IH began peddling licenses all over the world and asserting that IH "owned" Rossi's IP. IH's Darden learned differently when he found that IH could not build a device on their own (after asserting that they could and collecting lots of money from independently contacted customers/sub-distributors). Already on the rocks, the Rossi/IH relationship went to court immediately thereafter due to non-payment of amounts due to Rossi. ::) Rossi has learned that Great Clarity is needed in wording agreements and in the granting of 95% output E-Cat SKL production licenses at the distributor level. Rossi learned that from getting screwed over by IH and Darden. =================================================== The size of the fully developed E-Cat SKL for an electric car will not be that large so as to have any problem fitting into the auto chassis in a good spot where there already is a cooling system in place for the large rechargeable batteries, one that circulates a coolant that can take away the unwanted heat from the SKL with no noticeable thermal loading to the car's overall system. One of the good things about having EV as a first customer is that fulfilling the automotive PPAP requirements will make the SKL a fully tested and certified commercial device in jig time. Plus, automotive requirements are always well documented, and Rossi seems to do well ticking off his lists ....... =================================================== potential-manufacturing-partner/ (https://e-catworld.com/2020/09/20/rossi-e-cat-skl-tester-is-a) Rossi: E-Cat SKL Tester is Potential Manufacturing Partner Posted on September 20, 2020 • 2 Comments Naturally, many people following the reports of Andrea Rossi about the third party testers who he says is currently testing the E-Cat SKL in his lab, are wondering which company or organization they are from. Regarding this identity, Rossi has stated that it will only be revealed when both he and they are in agreement about making the disclosure. But he has given some information about some of the characteristics of this group. I asked couple of questions today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics about them. Frank Acland September 20, 2020 at 8:48 AM Dear Andrea, Is the third party currently testing the SKL a potential manufacturer of the E-Cat SKL? Andrea Rossi September 20, 2020 at 11:50 AM Frank Acland: Yes Warm Regards A.R. Frank Acland September 20, 2020 at 12:33 PM Dear Andrea, Is the current third party tester an entity that is already established with the ability to mass-produce products? Andrea Rossi September 20, 2020 at 2:14 PM Frank Acland: Yes, Warm Regards, A.R. I do think that this is quite encouraging information for those who are hoping that the E-Cat can be commercialized. If the company is already involved in mass production, they should have the technology and expertise that Rossi/Leonardo really need to get E-Cats out there, rather than having to start from scratch and build a manufacturing base. If, as Rossi says, the E-Cat SKL has so far performed well during the current testing regimen, it will surely have opened the testers’ eyes to the potential of the product, and I would guess they will be very interested in finalizing a deal with Rossi/Leonardo. It could be a delicate negotiation, however, knowing Rossi’s famous protective attitude regarding the E-Cat’s secrets, and his desire to have control over the destiny of his invention. I do think, however, that Rossi will be wanting to make a deal. He is seventy years old now, and I am sure he wants to see his technology proliferate widely during his working lifetime. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Rossi is still saying that he believes there will be a public presentation of the SKL in 2020, and maybe by then we will have a better idea of who this mystery partner is. Tidbits doled out by Rossi this weekend ...... the manufacturing capable distributor/customer attended the very last Rossi presentation (either in the crowd or on the stage, which we do not know). This tends to exclude Tesla, adding another + tickmark to ABB ??? Proposed first use is in a "mobile device". Much too vague to limit things much, in any case ...... Still sounds EV or automotive considering all information known at this time. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 09/24/20 at 00:20:58 https://e-catworld.com/2020/09/24/first-third-party-test-successful-certifying-agency-testing-scheduled/ First Third Party Test Successful, Certifying Agency Testing Scheduled Posted on September 24, 2020 • 3 Comments Apart from providing information on things he considers confidential, I think Andrea Rossi is quite open about what is going on in the story of the E-Cat, it’s just that he prefers to provide information by answering questions with short answers, rather than coming out and stating what is going on. We have learned that a third party representing a potential business partner had visited his lab to do hands-on-testing (with their own instruments). According to this Q&A the test went well and has now concluded Rick 57 September 23, 2020 at 3:54 AM Dear Andrea, a few questions, if I can: – The important test planned last Friday has been successful ? – Can you tell us a little bit more about it ? – By when do you expect the tests with your partner will be completed ? Andrea Rossi September 23, 2020 at 9:30 AM Rick 57: 1- yes 2- no 3- with that specific partner the tests have already been completed We have other to make. Warm Regards, A.R. I followed up with a question about the next round of testing. Rossi has stated that an entity that certifies products will be coming to test the E-Cat SKL, and that the report of this test will be made public at some point. Frank Acland September 23, 2020 at 10:13 AM Dear Andrea, Has the test with the certifying company been scheduled yet? Andrea Rossi September 23, 2020 at 1:19 PM Frank Acland: Yes. Warm Regards, A.R. I do trust, based on various experiences with him over the years, that Rossi is giving a true account of events (albeit without much detail). To me this is all good news. If the E-Cat is working well, and outsiders are now getting to see that first-hand, I think that bodes well for the future of this technology, and that in time there will be a public revelation of what has been going on behind closed doors for so long. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 09/26/20 at 09:10:05 https://e-catworld.com/2020/09/26/rossi-e-cat-to-be-certified-for-both-industrial-and-household-use/ Rossi: E-Cat to be Certified for Both Industrial and Household Use Posted on September 26, 2020 • 5 Comments There is an interesting Q&A on the Journal of Nuclear Physics today regarding the scope of the certification for the E-Cat SKL testing that Andrea Rossi has said has been scheduled. Mason asked: A few days ago, you said that the certification testing has been scheduled. As such, it seems right that the protocols have been agreed to with the certifying agency, otherwise what is the point of scheduling the testing. Logic says this mean that the purpose and goal of the certification has been defined. If this is so, are you able to share whether the certification is for industrial use, household use, or both? Andrea Rossi replied: Andrea Rossi September 26, 2020 at 6:29 AM Mason: Both. Thank you for your kind wishes, Warm Regards, A.R. In the early days of the E-Cat, Rossi had been focusing only on industrial applications, he said because he believed that the product would pose safety concerns in domestic applications. This was when the E-Cat was designed primarily as a heater. However the development of the E-Cat SKL seems to have changed all that, since it is now primarily a stand-alone electricity generator. Rossi has stated that there has never been any dangerous radiation been detected from the SKL, so maybe he feels there are not significant safety concerns that would preclude it from being used in homes. Rossi's customer/distributor/manufacturing partner has a great deal of experience with certifying new products through UL/CSE and Various Industrial Certifications. Apparently the customer sees no issues with going for both sorts of certifications at the same time (nice that he is that sure of things). |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 10/06/20 at 07:32:01 Update: In the last week, Rossi and company are proceeding to get industrial and household certifications as a charging device. The Rossi ECat-SKL can be and do lots of other things, which will be driven by those particular customers since they understand those markets better than anybody else and the combined IP product needs their action to pursue a certification anyway. Rossi has taken a whole new set of interested people into his lab to let them review the E-Cat SKL with their own instruments prior to working out their legal agreements with Rossi. We now hit an integration period, a zone where the original customer's IP gets blended with Rossi's IP and a strict NDA silence will be observed by everybody as other people's IP gets more and more involved. Businesses with much to lose in this marketplace need to be in Rossi's lab right now doing their testing and getting their initial agreements all worked out. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by verslagen1 on 10/06/20 at 08:19:27 Quote:
Good news for the electric car industry as it currently stands. But what is needed is a household energy device that supplies heat/cooling/electricity even if it requires an additional surge supply. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 10/06/20 at 08:28:53 I see a good potential use as an independent recharging station for Tiger Lake laptops, as I think they are going to need something to help them to make it through the day ...... If such existed, many of my objections to Tiger Lake in laptops would become less and less meaningful. But, I think the initial "independent charging" unit will be far too bulky and far too "heavy handed" for that laptop charging use ..... Plus, EV uses tend to run at 80 to 100 volts DC ...... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by verslagen1 on 10/06/20 at 12:48:07 If a lunchbox can replace a 20hp generator... all I can say is WOW! |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 10/06/20 at 13:20:24 We need to remember the old Rossi 50% Peanut Gallery Exaggeration Rule of Thumb and use it here. So your lunchbox is going to be a fat brief case size and is only going to be a silent 5 hp generator when first built, but it will get smaller and stronger over the next few years, doubling in output to 10 hp while getting slightly smaller. =================================================== https://e-catworld.com/2020/10/10/rossis-business-strategy-for-e-cat-is-decided/ It seems that a consistent question from testers that now becomes priority one is "How long does it last at rated output?" This real answer to this question depends on a lot of long term testing of each variant as they are developed. Rossi has hinted that some of his past designs will last a LONG TIME, some won't. As we sit now, nobody knows the full answer for real, so you may get Rossi deciding that 6 months to a year is an acceptable replacement frequency just to tell people something conservative that he knows will work --- with him thinking it might actually be a good bit longer than that once development testing is completed. Testing to complete wearout (destruction) is needed for some country's safety certifications (can't have it suddenly emitting a bunch of gold kryptonite radiation at the very end of things unexpectedly, you know ...... ) This will answer an important question about what is actually going on in Rossi's device, he is now saying it is Zero Point Energy and they should last until the reactor structure itself gives up ...... (unknown but much longer time). Somebody in a nation with relatively realistic certification requirements will call the shot on this one. =================================================== Folks have been poking at Rossi about long term "testing to end of life" (total destruction). Rossi and others are aware of tests that are over 2 years old as the oldest ongoing "constant full output" tests of a now not really very current type of "heat only SK reactor". Rossi simply states that many of the items that caused early SK reactor designs to age out simply aren't present in the current 95% yield SKL reactors. The electronic functions that drive the new all plasma reactors are completely different now. New total life runs are needed. It is fair to say that Rossi has not got a clue as to how long the current type of 95% SKL electrical supply reactor will really last, but he would not be surprised at a 5 year life or longer. Or a 6 month life. Or something else entirely ....... the operating principles of the thing have changed very significantly in the past year alone. People continue to seek overall life span time info from Rossi. Rossi responds by saying he has never achieved a total life run, that it is all "to be determined" as in all cases the reactors came back to him according to lease terms before even getting weak. Many of you may have missed my last dialogue with Andrea Rossi, which was the following: Gerard McEk October 12, 2020 at 4:53 AM Dear Andrea, In Jan. 12 2020 the following was asked: “Nils Fryklund January 12, 2020 at 5:59 AM Dear Andrea! Some questions about E-catSK, 22kW, which was been installed at a customer 19 november 2018: 1. Is it still giving 22kW at the customer? 2. Is the customer satisfied or has there been much problems? 3. How much fuel powder weight do you guess it has consumed? Best regards Nils Fryklund“ ———————————————— And this was your answer: “Andrea Rossi January 12, 2020 at 10:31 AM Nils Fryklund: 1- yes 2- satisfied 3- still the original charge Warm Regards, A.R.” May I ask it the same questions again, what is your reply now, 3//4 of a year later? 1,2,3 same answers 4. I assume that the principles of the SK do not dramatically differ from the Ecat SKL. Can similar operation times be expected of the SKL? yes 5. Obviously the operational time does not only depend on the ‘fuel’ or charge but maybe also on wear and tear of components. But only looking to the ‘fuel’: Have you ever ran a SKL so long that the ‘fuel’ was exhausted? no 6. When that happens, is then the fuel a. exhausted or b. saturated or c. something else t.b.d. Thank you for replying on our questions! Kind regards, Gerard We also know that the 1 year Doral test required Rossi to understand the aging changes that his reactors required as far as their excitement protocols as his reactors got some time on them. Rossi made the Doral tunings by hand, now he has a Heuristic AI program built into his controllers to do the same thing core by core, automatically. I think Rossi units can run a LONG TIME off the same charge of powder since Rossi now knows the powder itself is not consumed. Reuse of some of the old reactor powder as a "seeder additive" to a new charge in a new reactor has been hinted at in the past. Doing this apparently allows for quicker and more reliable new reactor start ups. =================================================== https://e-catworld.com/2020/10/10/rossis-business-strategy-for-e-cat-is-decided/ It seems that a consistent question from testers that now becomes priority one is "How long does it last at rated output?" This real answer to this question depends on a lot of long term testing of each variant as they are developed. Rossi has hinted that some of his past designs will last a LONG TIME, some won't. As we sit now, nobody knows the full answer for real, so you may get Rossi deciding that 6 months to a year is an acceptable replacement frequency just to tell people something conservative that he knows will work --- with him thinking it might actually be a good bit longer than that once development testing is completed. Testing to complete wear out (destruction) is needed for some country's safety certifications (can't have it suddenly emitting a bunch of gold kryptonite radiation at the very end of things unexpectedly, you know ...... ) This will answer an important question about what is actually going on in Rossi's device, he is now saying it is Zero Point Energy and his new reactors should last until the reactor structure itself gives up ...... (unknown but much longer time). Somebody in a nation with relatively realistic certification requirements will call the shot on this one. =================================================== Folks have been poking at Rossi about long term "testing to end of life" (total destruction). Rossi and others are aware of tests that are over 2 years old as the oldest ongoing "constant full output" tests of a now not really very current type of "heat only SK reactor". Rossi simply states that many of the items that caused early SK reactor designs to age out simply aren't present in the current 95% yield SKL reactors. The electronic functions that drive the new all plasma reactors are completely different now. New total life runs are needed. It is fair to say that Rossi has not got a clue as to how long the current type of 95% SKL electrical supply reactor will last, but he would not be surprised at a 5 year life or longer. Or a 6 month life. Or something else entirely ....... the operating principles of the thing have changed very significantly in the past year alone. People continue to seek overall life span time info from Rossi. Rossi responds by saying he has never achieved a total life run, that it is all "to be determined" as in all cases the reactors came back to him according to lease terms before even getting weak. Many of you may have missed my last dialogue with Andrea Rossi, which was the following: Gerard McEk October 12, 2020 at 4:53 AM Dear Andrea, In Jan. 12 2020 the following was asked: “Nils Fryklund January 12, 2020 at 5:59 AM Dear Andrea! Some questions about E-catSK, 22kW, which was been installed at a customer 19 november 2018: 1. Is it still giving 22kW at the customer? 2. Is the customer satisfied or has there been much problems? 3. How much fuel powder weight do you guess it has consumed? Best regards Nils Fryklund“ ———————————————— And this was your answer: “Andrea Rossi January 12, 2020 at 10:31 AM Nils Fryklund: 1- yes 2- satisfied 3- still the original charge Warm Regards, A.R.” May I ask it the same questions again, what is your reply now, 3//4 of a year later? 1,2,3 same answers 4. I assume that the principles of the SK do not dramatically differ from the Ecat SKL. Can similar operation times be expected of the SKL? yes 5. Obviously the operational time does not only depend on the ‘fuel’ or charge but maybe also on wear and tear of components. But only looking to the ‘fuel’: Have you ever ran a SKL so long that the ‘fuel’ was exhausted? no 6. When that happens, is then the fuel a. exhausted or b. saturated or c. something else t.b.d. Thank you for replying on our questions! Kind regards, Gerard We also know that Doral test required Rossi to understand the aging changes that his reactors require out of their excitement protocols as things get some time on them. Rossi made the Doral tunings by hand, now he has a Heuristic AI program built into his controllers to do the same thing core by core, automatically. I think Rossi units can run a LONG TIME off the same charge of powder since Rossi now knows the powder is not consumed. Reuse of some of the old reactor powder as a "seeder additive" to a new charge in a new reactor has been hinted at in the past. Doing this allows for quicker and more reliable new reactor start ups. =================================================== Rossi: The End is in Sight for Third Wave of Customer Testing in Rossi's Lab Posted on October 26, 2020 • 2 Comments Thanks to Gerard McEk for submitting the following question to the the Journal of Nuclear Physics. Gerard McEk October 25, 2020 at 3:51 PM Dear Andrea, Can you tell us how testing is progressing: 1. Is the end in sight? 2. Based on the tests until now: Do you believe that the general outcome of these tests is positive? 3. Is covid 19 hindering progress at this moment? 4. Have you already planned to build a combined prototype in a product with a Partner? Please, stay healthy, kind regards, Gerard. Andrea Rossi’s responses: Andrea Rossi October 26, 2020 at 6:08 AM Gerard McEk: 1- yes 2- yes 3- surely it does not help 4- yes Warm Regards, A.R. From what Rossi has stated, there seem to have been various kinds of testing with the E-Cat SKL going on lately, and he has continued to maintain that things have been going well. I don’t know quite what to make of his affirmative response to the question ‘is the end in sight’? Perhaps he is referring to the certification testing, which I think most people following the E-Cat story are awaiting with much anticipation. I think a third party verifying Rossi’s claims about the performance of the SKL is what is required for people to start taking the technology much more seriously. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 10/26/20 at 21:11:53 The Industrial Design stage has begun on the first partner product. Iggy Dalrymple October 26, 2020 at 7:19 AM Dear Dr Rossi, Will your new product, produced by Leonardo and your partner, be powered by a single reactor or stacked reactors? Best Regards, Iggy Andrea Rossi October 26, 2020 at 11:03 AM Iggy Dalrymple: stacked reactors Warm Regards, A.R. A simple 2 reactor stacked charger, running each reactor at either half power or at full power (most efficient) would maintain a house's power wall on cloudy days or keep an electric car running at over half charge on long trips, or could do both if the car was plugged into the house at night. Granularity for a dual level 2 reactor system would be 1/4 charge level, 1/2 charge level, 3/4 charge level and full 100% charge level. Oldest reactor would logically be used most all the time giving a reactor replacement pattern that would be fairly predictable and repeatable. All electric solar panel equipped RVs would become self-supporting when retro fitted with this and could be parked completely apart from power supplied campground slots. A public demo of such a thing would be the bee's knees for Rossi. Fit out a demo RV and drive it around California and Florida / East Coast some. =================================================== After a run of questions and answers, it has become clear that E-Cat SKL using the current controller has a finer modulated response that balances out wear life per reactor set, so that the reactor individually lasts a longer time and does not call for replacement because of a single reactor cell was getting used up first. "Dozens of years in real use" is mentioned in discussion as "total run time" is what consumes the reactor, part throttle and idle time do not build up "total run time" at anywhere near the same rate as 100% output does. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 10/30/20 at 19:45:12 Mills (Brilliant Light Power) and Rossi both begin efforts to sell their products Rossi you know about, he is making a charging system / electrical power supply product. This fits several needs, namely EV vehicles, RVs and general emergency power needs around your house. Rossi could also make a single room heater for residential use, but only after having lots of industrial units out in the real world for certification purposes. Mills is MUCH LARGER in scale, heat only, could run a steam generator or heat a building or run a bakery or an industrial process or two. Mills makes BIG heat, Rossi makes small electrical power or small heat. Both are needed items, so both companies should find success at the end of their rainbows. Mills communicates better and is well accepted by business compared to Rossi. Rossi is too quirky and acts as his own worst enemy in a lot of ways. https://e-catworld.com/2020/10/21/rossi-and-team-brainstorming-e-cat-skl-marketing-strategy-still-undecided/ optiongeek • 4 days ago • edited For comparison, Mills is beginning his first external field trial and his industrial partners are already planning 100k units for their "initial" production run. That represents about 25GW in heat production, equivalent to roughly 0.5% of current US electrical generation capacity. If you build a better mousetrap, the world will beat a path to your door, etc. etc. Mills' sales push will promote Rossi to move faster, and vice versa. Scale matters, and with a COP of only 2-3 Mills is nowhere as efficient as a Rossi ECat, but as was said before, scale matters so both sources will find customers. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 10/31/20 at 10:59:42 https://e-catworld.com/2020/10/31/rossi-e-cat-has-been-licensed-for-manufacturing/ Rossi: E-Cat Has Been Licensed for Manufacturing Posted on October 31, 2020 • 11 Comments Here’s a little bit of information that might give us an idea of what Andrea Rossi/Leonardo Corporation’s business plan might be in terms of commercializing the E-Cat. Sture Andreasson October 31, 2020 at 4:13 AM Dear Andrea Rossi, Have any of your partners been licensed to manufacture e-cat in their factory for use in their own products? Andrea Rossi October 31, 2020 at 5:52 AM Sture Andreasson: Yes, Warm Regards, A.R. Andrea Rossi has commented in the past that he would like to see broad worldwide dissemination of the E-Cat. I asked him last month if he would be planning to have an exclusive deal with some company. He replied: Andrea Rossi September 28, 2020 at 3:53 PM Frank Acland: I am looking for multiple agreements. A big global family. Warm Regards, A.R. So perhaps he has now made the first licensing deal with a manufacturer, and more are to follow. If the E-Cat SKL is all it is claimed to be I would imagine that many manufacturers would be interested in incorporating the E-Cat into their products. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 10/31/20 at 22:39:15 https://e-catworld.com/2020/10/31/rossi-e-cat-has-been-licensed-for-manufacturing/ Confirmation from The Office of the Official Leaker Rossi: E-Cat Has Been Licensed for Manufacturing Posted on October 31, 2020 • 50 Comments Here’s a little bit of information that might give us an idea of what Andrea Rossi/Leonardo Corporation’s business plan might be in terms of commercializing the E-Cat. Sture Andreasson October 31, 2020 at 4:13 AM Dear Andrea Rossi, Have any of your partners been licensed to manufacture e-cat in their factory for use in their own products? Andrea Rossi October 31, 2020 at 5:52 AM Sture Andreasson: Yes, Warm Regards, A.R. Andrea Rossi has commented in the past that he would like to see broad worldwide dissemination of the E-Cat. I asked him last month if he would be planning to have an exclusive deal with some company. He replied: Andrea Rossi September 28, 2020 at 3:53 PM Frank Acland: I am looking for multiple agreements. A big global family. Warm Regards, A.R. So perhaps he has now made the first licensing deal with a manufacturer, and more are to follow. If the E-Cat SKL is all it is claimed to be I would imagine that many manufacturers would be interested in incorporating the E-Cat into their products. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 11/01/20 at 13:59:49 https://e-catworld.com/2020/10/31/rossi-e-cat-has-been-licensed-for-manufacturing/ Another critical step forward is outlined in the following exchange between Frank and Andrea . . . the licensee partner is already moving forward on building a manufacturing facility for SKLs. Leonardo Inc. has made positive decisions on building out the distribution network for "rapid and broad global deployment". They apparently are not hoarding the hypothetical potential for $trillions in profits for their own income statement and balance sheet. Now, I am left to wonder if Andrea will provide an update on the Stockholm presentation in the weeks after this coming Tuesday's US presidential election . . . when the results have become certain. ========================================= Frank Acland November 1, 2020 at 9:32 AM Dear Andrea, Is the partner you have licensed E-Cat manufacturing rights to already in process of building the capabilities to manufacture E-Cat SKLs? Kind regards, Frank Acland -------------------------------------------------------- Andrea Rossi November 1, 2020 at 11:34 AM Frank Acland: Yes, Warm Regards, A.R Confirmation of facilities being built to put the E-Cat SKL assembly lines into are confirmed by Rossi. This is not simple conjecture any longer. Rossi has hinted that once he knows who wins the US Election he will be moving on certification (appropriately on different paths, depending on who wins the election). |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 11/02/20 at 03:25:36 https://e-catworld.com/2020/10/31/rossi-e-cat-has-been-licensed-for-manufacturing/ Here’s a little bit of information that might give us an idea of what Andrea Rossi/Leonardo Corporation’s business plan might be in terms of commercializing the E-Cat. Sture Andreasson October 31, 2020 at 4:13 AM Dear Andrea Rossi, Have any of your partners been licensed to manufacture e-cat in their factory for use in their own products? Andrea Rossi October 31, 2020 at 5:52 AM Sture Andreasson: Yes, Warm Regards, A.R. I for one have wondered about this, as things seem to be coming together very very fast just lately. Mind you we are still guessing that ABB is still a customer (or the first customer) and we have been saying all along that Rossi's little Leonardo is going to get swamped by the demand no matter which components they make. Well, we can quit worrying about the Leonardo being the hold up for expansion thing now ..... Rossi has a few very capable full licensees who are doing all the facility design, production design, the making and the UL and CSA work for their own applications. FIRST MOVER ADVANTAGE is a very real thing in business, so you can expect some more complete silence from Rossi now until his original crew of licensees make their first moves and their own announcements. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by verslagen1 on 11/02/20 at 11:06:57 any hint at what the 1st product will be? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 11/03/20 at 02:21:26 SKL 95% 5-10 kw electric supply (what is currently built out now) (small generator equivalent) SKLPlus = a house power supply and or will mostly likely be able to power an EV car with just a small battery for load balancing Room heater unit Which is first? The easiest to certify, naturally. Something Industrial most likely. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 11/03/20 at 17:02:01 Rossi: Manufacturing Licensee Will Know All Secrets of the E-Cat SKL, Will First Produce Energy Generation Products From the Office of the Official Leaker Some interesting news has come from Andrea Rossi today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics. He has recently stated that he has come to a licensing agreement with a partner who will be manufacturing E-Cat SKL units. Today a number of readers, including myself, asked whether this manufacturer would be given all the secrets of the E-Cat. Rossi’s response was that yes, they would. They would be making E-Cats independently of Leonardo Corporation, and presumably they would be paying some kind of fee to Leonardo for the privilege. Those who have been following the work of Andrea Rossi over the last decade or so, might be quite surprised at this development, because he has always been extremely protective of what he considers to be industrial secrets surrounding the workings of the E-Cat. I suppose he must realize that if he wants to see commercial E-Cat products launched on a large scale, he would have to work with industry partners, and they would of necessity need to know all the ins and the outs of the E-Cat if they are to manufacture them. I would expect tight confidentiality agreements would have been entered into with any partner he has, but of course, the more people who know about how it works, the greater risk there is that proprietary information would leak out. Nevertheless, it seems like we are moving into a new chapter in this long E-Cat story as partners come on board to help fulfil Rossi’s ambition to have his E-Cat put to use in the world. Another piece of information was provided today by Rossi — he wrote that the products that this first licensee would be manufacturing would be for “energy generation . . . Initially for industrial concerns.” Remember please, Rossi has more than one Manufacturing Licensee now, so any vague or clumsily structured questions may get answers given that are based on whichever Licensee Rossi choses to give the respond about. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 11/03/20 at 20:09:12 "I suppose he must realize that if he wants to see commercial E-Cat products launched on a large scale, he would have to work with industry partners, and they would of necessity need to know all the ins and the outs of the E-Cat if they are to manufacture them." You think? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 11/04/20 at 03:41:00 Frank, in his Office as the Official Leaker, is often used to clarify important points that are left all fuzzy by Rossi's very brief one word answers. If a quick Frank clarification response won't cure the confusion, a longer "synopsis" format is used by Frank (like this one), or else Frank posts a similar question back to Rossi all over again and Rossi actually types a few phrases to clarify the point more exactly. “energy generation . . . Initially for industrial concerns.” is as fully detailed as we get from Rossi right now. One of the issues we all deal with on E-Cat SKL is NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS, and Rossi is bound by them too. Frank the Official Leaker is not encumbered to the same degree as Rossi is because Frank isn't Rossi and he really can honestly say he really doesn't know the total correct answer. Getting the news out at all becomes more difficult the closer to a real announced product the first customer becomes. =================================================== Rossi has apparently gotten some flak over Frank the Official Leaker's work to push out relatively new info during the current non-disclosure period. Frank has gotten similar flak directly from the peanut gallery and and some direct questions about what he knows, when he knew it and how he knows it. Frank has now apparently been given permission by Rossi to talk about a PRE-95% electrical SKL skype demo that he personally witnessed, and he has now done so. By doing this, Frank adds a little "slightly moldy" info to the pile while PROTECTING the non-disclosure period by carefully dating all his "leaking to date" to June 8th 2020, which is just before the current non-disclosure lock down period started. https://e-catworld.com/2020/11/05/report-of-a-skype-demonstration-of-the-e-cat-skl/ Frank, thank you for sharing this information. If I understand the timeline correctly, then something older than the 80:20% SKL was demonstrated, not the 80:20%, nor the 95:5% SKL. That your demonstration was prior to June 26th, 2020 Also, if I am understanding the information presented, with the SKL's output at 846.4W, rather than an expected 4kW given the previously stated power rating of 5kW with the "old" efficiency rating of 80:20%, resulting in 1kW of generated heat from the SKL . . . . . . . . . . . I am guessing this additional observation also supports my premise that your demonstration happened prior to June 26th, 2020 . . . the date Rossi shared that the SKL's energy density was increased, with the eventual result of a 5kW power rating . . . and then the subsequent boost in efficiency from the " barely new" 80:20% efficiency rating to 95:5%. All of this points to how incredibly important Rossi's stated insight at that time was, an insight that resulted in an incredible increase in control of the SLRPI effect by HAL impacting both energy density and "harvest" efficiency . . . a shift from 846.4 W electricity and 1kW of heat, an efficiency of 46:54% electricity to heat ratio for an SKL rated at 1.85kW , . . . . . to the 95% 5kW SKL with ~4.75kW electricity and 250w heat, an efficiency of 95:5%. That insight was a home run! Incredible Frank . . . Again, thank you for sharing a story that really enhances our understanding of how much Rossi and Team Rossi moved the ball forward just recently. Frank Acland ECW Admin Buck • 3 hours ago • edited The exact date of this presentation was June 8th 2020 Frank Acland ECW Admin Buck • 4 hours ago Yes, that is what I understand too. So, the peanut gallery has now time tagged all of Frank's leaking to TWO major advancements back in time, and has given a firm time sense to the recent very rapid improvement rate of the E-Cat SKL 80% and again to the E-CAT SKL 95% advancements, ..... and given us a very vague hint or two at the new SKL Plus generation which is not yet talked about yet at all. (except that it exists, that is ...... ) ;D "a shift from 846.4 W electricity and 1kW of heat, an efficiency of 46:54% electricity to heat ratio for an SKL rated at 1.85kW , . . . . . to the 5kW SKL with ~4.75kW electricity and 250w heat, an efficiency of 95:5%." and that is now suspected to be even better and larger in a PLUS version ??? ================================================== New item, the raw DC voltage coming naturally from the current E-Cat reactor is a micro frequency variable (erratic nature) 980+ volts (peak) DC. Rossi and his electrical partners are working on this issue as logically going about reducing the voltage can happen, but it causes losses at each stage of reduction and some of the first stages of equipment to do it is somewhat bulky and expensive. A better trick is needed. There is more existing knowledge about Tesla coils which operate off of AC, but "pulsed DC" isn't very common and has no knowledge base about it. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 11/12/20 at 04:50:35 https://e-catworld.com/2020/11/05/report-of-a-skype-demonstration-of-the-e-cat-skl/ Roland Frank Acland • a day ago Hi Frank, there now appear to be three distinct versions of the SKL, the two core 50/50 <1,000W version you witnessed in the summer, the single core 80/20 4kW version that Rossi announced last November which I've labeled the SKL v 1.0 that , briefly, ran in closed loop configuration and the SKL v 2.0 which had 10,000 connections into the reactor but still ran at 80/20 and the SKL v 2.1 5kW which is a modified version of the 2.0 and makes 95/5 electricity and heat respectively. Prior to the v 2.1 it seemed that this v 2.0 80/20 SKL was to be the one used in the Skype demonstrations, and then for hands on confirmation, but with the advent of the 2.1 this newer version was under consideration for use in the demos. Perhaps you might inquire which version was finally selected to use for the Skype demos and the hands on confirmation, Frank Acland ECW Admin Roland • a day ago • edited I believe AR has confirmed its the 95/5 version, at least with recent tests. Roland Frank Acland • 14 hours ago • edited Given the apparent confusion in the ranks a clear statement that confirms the version and the basic facts, (number of reactors, output, AC frequency stability etc.) about it would resolve a lot of the current discussions we're having. AC frequency stability becomes germane if the output is 'choppy' as, if the frequency is stable, there is a 'fix' for choppy output and erratic voltage. Rossi has apparently gone NDA silent on this topic at customer request. This has the peanut gallery chewing on old peanut shells for something to do, which is magnifying all the confusions and distractions with layers of active frustration. It also perhaps indicates something is moving closer to release with a first salable unit ........ But it also gives nay-sayers license to claim hoax all over again. To them, not getting any feedback infers that something broke in testing and it is all up in the air again. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 11/14/20 at 09:27:35 https://e-catworld.com/2020/11/14/rossi-very-advanced-in-developing-product-to-demonstrate/ From Frank Acland, the Office of the Official Leaker Rossi: ‘Very Advanced’ in Developing Product to Demonstrate Posted on November 14, 2020 • 1 Comment The big question that is on my mind, and I am sure that is on the mind of many other readers here, is when will we get the public presentation of the E-Cat SKL. Andrea Rossi had been saying earlier this year that it would be in 2020, but recently he has admitted that he is not ready for it. I asked him this week what needs to be accomplished in order for the presentation to happen. He replied: Andrea Rossi November 11, 2020 at 1:21 PM Frank Acland: To have a reliable product: that’s all I need. Warm Regards, A.R. From this response it appears that he does not yet have a reliable product, which makes one wonder, how far away is such a product. I followed up with another question: Frank Acland November 13, 2020 at 10:56 AM Dear Andrea, You stated recently that your presentation will occur once you have a reliable product. a) How would you characterize your progress towards this goal? b) When you make a presentation will it be of a commercial product, or an experimental prototype? His response: Andrea Rossi November 13, 2020 at 2:06 PM Frank Acland: a) I think we are very advanced b) I think it will be a commercial product Warm Regards, A.R. It’s hard to know the exact state of things from brief comments such as these; Even though he states that they are ‘very advanced’ Andrea Rossi is known to be optimistic in his projections, so I am not building up any hopes for a presentation in the near future. I find Frank backing down on these Rossi comments very interesting ---- that Frank knows enough to think they need to be softened somewhat and certainly not get pumped up any. Now my thoughts on high voltage and erratic charge currents -- only one sort of battery can directly take in that level of input voltage and jaggedness, and that is a dry mesh graphene battery. Such batteries are still experimental, but if they can take a DC charge from a pulsing (but not alternating), very erratic 980 volt input source and then discharge at a stable rate set by the number of plates, well then two or three small sized examples of such batteries switching off on each other (one charging and the other two cooling and stabilizing then discharging) can act as both a current stabilizer and as a short term storage medium. They don't have to be a set of large capacity batteries as they can feed their buffered output to a more normal on vehicle battery bank once the source voltage gets switched or rotated off charging duty, but the ability to take in large erratic over voltages and then feed out a known steady voltage and amperage charging flow both cheaply and naturally is a very needed thing for Rossi's stuff at the moment. =================================================== Partially Substantiated Rumor: Elon Musk's private jet's tail fin number landed last week at the same local airport that serves ABB home offices and stayed there for 4-6 hours. Realise that Musk could have had some of his people viewing Rossi's video feeds for a while now, and now he has come in person to cast eyeballs on something physically at ABB headquarters. Musk like other Captains of Industry would never deal with an eccentric like Rossi, who is way way way too far out there for Musk's image. Musk is doing damage control on his own Tony Stark-like image right now and he needs no more Emmett Brown like influences (Back to the Future) showing up on his image page. ABB's style is much more to Musk's liking I would think. Volvo Over the Road Electric Trucks are a thing in Scandinavia. Volvo Trucking's home office is 4 miles away from ABB headquarters. If there was something to see, Musk would be able to get into his competitors to see their plant as he allows them into his Megafactories to see his stuff. Quid Pro Quo .... i.e. basic "courtesy stuff" in industry. Somebody is up to something, ergo the big quiet that is settling over everything ........ |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 11/14/20 at 13:18:55 https://e-catworld.com/2020/11/14/rossi-very-advanced-in-developing-product-to-demonstrate/ Rossi clarifies a mis-understood answer. These were Rossi's last communications as of November 13 of 2020, then the big NDA silence descended ...... Bill Conley November 13, 2020 at 6:09 PM Dear Andrea, To clarify, when you told Frank Acland that all you needed was a “reliable product” were you referring to: A) A product that you believe is currently of reliable design, but needs to be proven reliable through a battery of tests of various types and durations, or B) A product that needs further R&D to achieve a more reliable design which can subsequently be proven in testing. Thanks for your response and for your groundbreaking work. Bill ------------------------------------------------- Andrea Rossi November 14, 2020 at 4:43 AM Bill Conley: “A” has not been completed yet. Warm Regards, A.R. ==================================================== Well, Rossi wasn't kidding about a new round of NDA silence starting right now on Nov 13th, Rossi personally hasn't said a peep in over two weeks about anything. Frank has been silent as well --- only ones even trying to talk at all are a few of the peanut gallery guys. The Peanut Gallery as a whole has completely ground to a halt due to no new information being leaked and no comments or answers being logged on any questions that are posed, no matter where posted or to whom they are addressed. This smells a good bit like ABB in action, this total silence on all customer associated matters ...... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 11/25/20 at 08:57:38 https://e-catworld.com/2020/11/25/rossi-we-are-preparing-something-really-important/ Lots of money is being spent on something right now and Rossi is complaining a bit Rossi: “We Are Preparing Something Really Important” Posted on November 25, 2020 • 4 Comments I think most readers here are wondering what is going on now in Andrea Rossi’s lab. We have been told by him that there will not be a presentation this year, but possibly in the first quarter of 2021. The only vague details he has provided is that they are working on issues of reliability. Gerard McEk brought up this subject with a question on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: Gerard McEk November 22, 2020 at 10:24 AM Dear Andrea, A few weeks ago you said you possibly have a solution to make the Ecat more reliable. Have you made any progress in the reliability or are you still working on that? Thanks, kind regards, Gerard Andrea Rossi November 22, 2020 at 11:29 AM Gerard McEk: The work is in progress, and day by day we are eliminating the weak points. Warm Regards, A.R. I was curious about the difficulty of the work they are involved in is, so I followed up: Frank Acland November 22, 2020 at 3:26 PM Dear Andrea, Glad to hear you are making progress. How difficult are the problems you have to deal with? Andrea Rossi November 22, 2020 at 4:18 PM Frank Acland: I do not see problems we cannot resolve. We are preparing something really important. The work is hard, the important is to stay calm. Warm Regards, A.R. And in response to a question from Xavier Pitz about what level the E-Cat has reached on a scale of “too easy” to “insane”, one year after announcing it, Rossi replied, “The answer is: “insane”. And extremely expensive.” ================================================== Gerard McEk • 4 hours ago • edited Concerning: And in response to a question from Xavier Pitz about what level the E-Cat has reached on a scale of “too easy” to “insane”, one year after announcing it, Rossi replied, “The answer is: “insane”. And extremely expensive.” AR replied to me that the ’reliability’ has ‘improved’ to the level ‘insane’ and it’s the ‘development cost’ that are ‘extremely expensive’ The interpretation of this ‘insane’ for the reliability improvement is difficult. It could mean it is near to ‘forever’ reliable or that the reliability is, despite the enormous development cost, still marginal. I think it is the latter. " • Reply • Share › Avatar Gerard McEk Gerard McEk • 3 hours ago See in JoNP: Gerard McEk November 25, 2020 at 3:25 PM Dear Andrea, A few days ago you replied to Xavier Pitz that the Ecat SKL has risen to the level ‘insane’ and ‘extremely expensive’. Does this ‘insane’ mean that the Ecat SKL has improved in 1. reliability? 2. output power? 3. efficiency? 4. usability? 5. scalability? 6. simplicity? 7. complexity? 8. producibility? 9. ability to integrate in 3rd party products? 10. market value? 11. another aspect? 12. But also that it has become very expensive to buy, or is it the development cost you are referring to? I hope you soon will reach the moment to openly show and present your baby! Kind regards, Gerard Andrea Rossi November 25, 2020 at 3:47 PM Gerard McEk: 1 Development cost Warm Regards, A.R. • Reply • Share › Avatar Roland Gerard McEk • 2 hours ago That's hilarious Gerard. 1 • Reply • Share › [ch8722] Avatar Nixter • 7 hours ago • edited More never ending improvements and breakthroughs leading to redesigns and setbacks. The "device" probably is getting better with each iteration, the true final version will be introduced out of necessity, like when a competitors product is about to be released. Dr Rossi is on to something, his partners and he will present the world with something breathtaking and sci-fi like even if only half of what he says is true. An unattended self powered box that generates power for extended periods of time should get the attention of the many factions monitoring this incipient branch of new science. I haven't heard much publicly released from Chinese R&D teams, their government and military has to have an eagle eye on the field. Military applications will be ripe for anything that needs energy to run. Will Dr. Rossi and partners sell to military concerns, will it matter with competition close behind? =================================================== Rossi now has some automotive customers who are now wanting PPAP level documentation as a routine sort of thing and Rossi is now complaining about the cost and detail levels that this certification requires. Rossi has always sought certification at a much lower "sigma 5" level (a Rossi coined term that exists nowhere else) as some of his data is time consuming and difficult to collect in a variables fashion and any controller spike can indicate an out of control condition that causes him to FAIL STANDARD AUTOMOTIVE PPAP CERTIFICATION The Japanese (Mizuno group) are getting ready to release a commercial heat only product and Rossi is now under the gun to perform (to release a fully documented PPAP'd product with a controller that shows that firm 6 sigma statistical control is in place). Rossi is having to "hurry up and do PPAP level exhaustive testing" and that stuff isn't any fun to do personally, so you can understand it is becoming time for Rossi to turn it all over to a Distributor/Major Customer or two that are experienced in this area (with a very carefully written contract so Rossi can collect his money and his Nobel Prize) and then simply retire to go fiddle around in his lab). Use of the dry plate graphene battery trick (3 graphene batteries in charging, cool down, discharge rotation cycle) to take out all the controller spikes and output noise variations, this is what would give Rossi a statistically stable process, but at lower output numbers. You can feed it some output trash and it will give you statistical stability after it cools down a bit and begins the discharge cycle to the main batteries. This is where you define your "output" as taking place. Rossi has always reported "raw" single point development data, now he has to understand that he can only EVER report statistically stable process output numbers, numbers which are generally much lower than raw single point cherry picked numbers ....... Having initially set his "print limits" off of a few bits of cherry picked raw data, Rossi is screwed as he goes for PPAP based off his early claims. ================================================== Finally understanding what is required for Automotive PPAP certification, Rossi chooses to try again to search out a less demanding industrial market for his initial introduction. At least one of his initial potential "major distributor/customers pairs" is pure automotive. This pair will have to support a large workload to get all of what they are demanding, as Rossi isn't equipped to give it to them "on demand". Asking for PPAP data and analysis off a development process isn't realistic until there is a stable existing production process to PPAP. The "easy markets" Rossi could go for in the USA are all under the thumbs of Big Oil and are mostly unavailable to him in the USA because of Big Oil contractual agreements. See Rossi have to move his initial product to Scandinavia or to Japan to be close to his first big customers, the ones with no oil resources of their own, in areas that will truly want his product. Rossi is still PROMISING a full display of his SKL tech in 2021, but this will be after a lot of work is done to increase the control reliability on a naturally erratic process output. Rossi is an old man now, and he is not able to fight all of "them" all over the place as he did when he was younger. Rossi comes across as acting old and tired and frustrated at times. Generally, when this happens he needs to take a week-long break and regenerate himself. =================================================== Rossi currently has an industrial safety certifications for a simple heating device, trying to get the same safety certification for something based upon Zero Point Energy (i,e,"lightning in a toolbox") is going to be a far far far different kettle of fish. Especially something with 980 volts DC as its primary output voltage. Such would require drop testing and swinging ball testing and crash testing, testing that would have to keep that voltage under control during an emergency shut down after the box got "run over by a truck tire" or "getting involved in a train wreck". Rossi still needs to find his George Westinghouse, somebody to handle the financial, legal and certification testing aspects of his first product. Rossi lacks the electronics skills and the money and the available life span to do this onerous task by himself. He keeps getting bushwhacked by things he doesn't foresee, things like PPAP requirements and ball test and crash test requirements as HE HAS NO STABLE (LONG TIME IN PLACE) PRODUCTION PROCESS TO RUN THESE REQUIREMENTS AGAINST ...... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 11/30/20 at 08:34:08 https://e-catworld.com/2020/11/30/rossi-progress-on-e-cat-skl-excellent/ Rossi: Progress on E-Cat SKL “Excellent” Posted on November 30, 2020 • 2 Comments There’s an encouraging comment by Andrea Rossi on the Journal of Nuclear Physics today in response to a question asking about what he is doing with the E-Cat SKL in the present time, and whether the coronavirus situation has caused delays. Andrea Rossi November 30, 2020 at 4:44 AM Robert: The Covid has caused delays, but not in the measure necessary to create relevant damages. Presently I am working in remote with all the Team and I work in a laboratory testing the Ecat to consolidate the reliability of the device. I dare to define the progress excellent, both under the experimental point of view and under the theoretical point of view. Warm Regards, A.R. Excellent is not a normal adjective that Rossi uses when asked about how his work is going. Typically he emphasizes the need to work hard and work through problems, etc. Maybe this is why he was prompted to make a promise that the presentation would be held in 2021. Regarding the presentation, I recently asked whether it has been decided yet what will be shown when the presentation is held. He replied, “moreless yes”. Interestingly, Rossi is working this week in somebody else's lab working to "consolidate the reliability of the device". The fact he has his device out in somebody else's lab is interesting all by itself. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by verslagen1 on 11/30/20 at 12:50:20 I would think that a customer had a problem using the device and called him in to resolve it. Maybe it was a minor problem and now it works as intended. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 11/30/20 at 14:12:58 I also think that ABB needs to clone Rossi's ability to troubleshoot these systems. Rossi is over 70 years old now ...... what happens when he retires ???? From ABB a public job posting concerning the need for a young, multi-talented theoretical physicist with applied mathematical skills is needed to strengthen our modeling capabilities in monitoring, diagnostics and prognostics. Sounds like they need some help with improving HAL functionality on the fly, doesn't it? Enginer01 • 30 minutes ago It is a an unconfirmed speculation that ABB Ltd (Switzerland and Sweden and...) is associated with Leonardo's efforts. but this seemed interesting: [wanted ad] Theoretical physicist / applied mathematician (80-100%)new.abb.com › Home › Job search Nov 17, 2020 — We are looking for an outstanding physicist or mathematician to join our group, to strengthen our modelling capabilities especially in the fields of [of monitoring, diagnostics and prognostics.] If you are passionate about science and technology and want to work in an ... Apply advanced methods for model- and data-driven approaches in this field ..." (less edited version at https://new.abb.com/jobs/de... ) 1 • Reply • Share › [ch8722] Avatar Buck Enginer01 • 24 minutes ago • edited Very evocative. I like the first sentence as it can suggest they are looking for someone who can have a meaningful "talk" with HAL : Join ABB and work in a team that is dedicated to creating a future where innovative digital technologies allow greater access to cleaner energy. (job posting got pulled down, either got filled internally or else the posting was deemed to reveal too much information and tripped over the NDA agreements) ================================================== "Gerard McEk December 1, 2020 at 3:39 AM Dear Andrea, From the small grains of information you give us I think that commercialization of the Ecat SKL is finally in sight. Congratulations with your ‘excellent progress’. Can you give us a hint in what type of Products it is being integrated first? 1. Electric energy supply for industrial use 2. Electric energy supply for domestic use 3. Automotive and heavy mobile equipment 4. Agriculture 5. Water supply (desalination) 6. Another product area 7. Is your intention to produce in first instance only one type of Ecat able of producing say 5 kWe or 8. Will you immediately produce a range of Ecats of different levels of output power? "Gerard McEk December 1, 2020 at 3:39 AM Dear Andrea, From the small grains of information you give us I think that commercialization of the Ecat SKL is finally in sight. Congratulations with your ‘excellent progress’. Can you give us a hint in what type of Products it is being integrated first? 1. Electric energy supply for industrial use 2. Electric energy supply for domestic use 3. Automotive and heavy mobile equipment 4. Agriculture 5. Water supply (desalination) 6. Another product area 7. Is your intention to produce in first instance only one type of Ecat able of producing say 5 kWe or 8. Will you immediately produce a range of Ecats of different levels of output power? Answers: # 1 & # 8 Warm Regards, A.R." |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/02/20 at 21:55:30 https://e-catworld.com/2020/11/30/rossi-progress-on-e-cat-skl-excellent/ This is a couple of peanut gallery people explaining why they think what they think. Axil Axil Enginer01 • 10 hours ago • edited As I see things, Rossi will not announce a product until ABB has developed and tested a product ready for their market. Most likely, ABB and Rossi are jointly developing the ABB product together and ABB is funding Rossi's help. This situation implies that Rossi does not control the time when product release will occur. It is all up to ABB. They are in the drivers seat because they are funding R&D. Enginer01 Axil Axil • 9 hours ago Rossi inferred the "strategy" was developed by Deloitte. I hesitate to suggest who he is working with. But it sounds like Rossi, ABB, Deloitte & and one or more potential clients/manufactures are meeting regularly "on line" to polish the strategy for confidential real world tests followed by major commercial PR. Axil Axil Enginer01 • 9 hours ago Maybe Deloitte has advised Rossi to be light on his feet and be reactive to developing opportunities. Rossi seems to be reactive to whoever walks into his shop and asks to joint the development and product release effort. Axil Axil Enginer01 • 9 hours ago The other company is Volvo auto which will attempt to produce a SKL powered electric car. But that development will take years and they are out of the current product release timeframe. enantiomer2000 Axil Axil • 8 hours ago How do you know about Volvo? Enginer01 Axil Axil • 8 hours ago Baloney. (not meant as argumentum ad hominem.) Gothenburg has 145 Volvo electrical articulated buses, and expects to be 100% electric by 2030. Simple matter to slip in an e-Cat or two and extend routes past the TOSA limits. Axil Axil Enginer01 • 7 hours ago • edited Upon more research, It appears that I am mistaken. Rossi wrote: “. I know that giants are already working to compete with us: Shell, Mitsubishi, MIT, Volvo, ABB, NASA…and I am strongly honored to have inspired, in some way, their work; to be clear: should I have not broken the ice in three years of public work, since January 2011, none of these Entities would have taken seriously LENR in the measure they are taking them now.” The Volvo Group (Swedish: Volvokoncernen; legally Aktiebolaget Volvo, shortened to AB Volvo, stylized as VOLVO) is a Swedish multinational manufacturing company headquartered in Gothenburg. While its core activity is the production, distribution and sale of trucks, buses and construction equipment, Volvo also supplies marine and industrial drive systems and financial services. In 2016, it was the world's second largest manufacturer of heavy-duty trucks. Rossi once mentioned that AB Volvo along with ABB was one of his competitors. This relationship is a tell about who is interested in his technology. Bob Greenier is off in "theoretical science land" on completely different subjects again. He feels Rossi is not in charge of his device any longer, that others are running the show now and calling all the shots for him. Matts Lewan (Rossi's biographer) has now taken on a full time job with a newspaper, saying he will only return to write a new chapter after Rossi has submitted his device to a scientific review panel or has begun shipping commercial products. Both Matts and Bob have been pushed out into the cold by the Deloitte/ABB/Volvo influence and other sources of leakage (Frank?) have been curtailed as well. 5 different levels of E-Cat SKL have been mentioned recently, with 5 KW being the smallest. A self-contained EV recharging station seems to be a good initial product for the big 'uns along with an electrically powered 360o rotating ship propeller system. These are all stationary uses that fall within Rossi's existing certifications. ================================================== Deloitte, ABB and Volvo are the current favorites for the major movers. The CEO of ABB just exercised his stock buy option to pick up a very large block of ABB stock personally. ABB also has put parts of GE Power Transmission Technology (something they bought during the draw down of GE 5 years ago) out for sale to China and has cancelled plans for expanding ABB's Land Transmission Line of products. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/04/20 at 05:45:34 https://e-catworld.com/2020/12/04/will-the-grid-be-powered-by-e-cats/ Will the Grid be Powered by E-Cats? Posted on December 4, 2020 • 0 Comments Many of us are very curious about the companies that Andrea Ross/Leonard Corporation is working with at the moment. Rossi has stated that he is working with multiple companies, but has not revealed the names of any of them yet. He has also stated that the first products will be for industrial, rather than household use. There have been some questions posed on the Journal of Nuclear Physics about some of the industries he is working with, and from some of his respones, it appears that some of his potential customers are either power stations, or companies that provide generation equipment for the electrical grid. Calle H December 1, 2020 at 9:02 AM Dear Andrea, May I ask a follow-up question to the questions raised by Gerard McEk. You kindly indicated that the first E-Cat application would be 1. Electric energy supply for industrial use. Does that mean that the E-Cat electric energy A. will be consumed in the particular industry where the E-Cat is installed B. will be sold the grid (the industry is a power station) Andrea Rossi December 1, 2020 at 9:41 AM Calle H: Both Warm Regards, A.R. Frank Acland December 3, 2020 at 8:43 AM Dear Andrea, Are you working with companies that are involved in generating electricity for the grid? Andrea Rossi December 3, 2020 at 9:24 AM Frank Acland: Yes Warm Regards, A.R. If the E-Cat SKL can generate electricity cleanly, efficiently and reliably, with high power density, it will be seen by many as a very attractive alternative to all the current sources of energy that currently power the grid. With so many policy makers trying to wean the world off fossil fuels, if E-Cat generators appear on the scene it might be the obvious way to rapidly transition to zero-carbon electrical grid. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/07/20 at 07:00:08 https://e-catworld.com/2020/12/07/ross-and-team-constructing-industrial-plant-for-2021-presentation/ Rossi and Team ‘Constructing Industrial Plant’ for 2021 Presentation Posted on December 7, 2020 • 0 Comments I asked Andrea Rossi a question on the Journal of Nuclear Physics yesterday about the current activities of himself and his team. Frank Acland December 6, 2020 at 10:24 PM Dear Andrea, What is taking most of you and your team’s time and attention in these days? Andrea Rossi December 7, 2020 at 3:28 AM Frank Acland: The construction of the industrial plant to be presented within the next year in operation. Warm Regards, A.R. I think this response gives us an idea of what to expect when Rossi makes the presentation he has promised for next year. Rossi has a tendency to want to go big when it comes to the E-Cat. In 2011 the first E-Cat he made for the public presentation was a 1 MW thermal plant, and when he did the year-long test in Doral, Florida it was also a 1 MW plant. If he wanted to demonstrate a working E-Cat to the world, I don’t think it would need to be a big industrial model, but maybe he feels it would be more effective to show something that could immediately be useful to industrial customers, to kickstart the commercialization. This solidifies the non-automotive introduction of the E-Cat SKL as an Industrial certified item (Rossi already has certification for Industrial uses). Expect a time line presentation showing the advancements of the SK to SKL progression, going from 40 foot tractor trailer container down to a 20 foot half container down to a "roll around tool box" in size with the output functionally doubling each time. Rossi cannot go automotive at first, he does not have the 6 sigma long term data to do a PPAP. As such, he need not even apply as an automotive supplier. Consumer is worse, he has 100% DEADLY voltages and amperages existing inside a portable sized device. This would make CSA or UL an absolute bitche to pass muster. Rossi needs an industrial partner to pave his way to getting started. He then needs a Consumer partner to do the same thing in Consumer. Ditto for Automotive, except he needs a fairly long track record of statistically stable process output from his industrial implementations before he can even try with automotive. Rossi will not live long enough to do all this, as his life span runs out in 10 years or so. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/14/20 at 17:21:47 https://e-catworld.com/2020/12/14/vattenfall-to-explore-possibility-of-small-nuclear-reactors-for-estonia-press-release/ Just read it for the words enclosed. Notice the buzz words used ---- "small modular reactor". Nobody actually says nuclear (although the press as a group certainly assumes it and says it repeatedly and quotes it as "nuclear" in their re-quoted materials). And remember, ABB and Vattenfall are in a very tight non-disclosure relationship right now so the primary parties are saying very little right now. Very much like ABB, Vattenfall in general likes to keep their mouths shut as much as possible. Remember, this is a feasibility study, looking at alternatives of which Rossi's stuff would be only one of the alternatives considered. And this also explains why Rossi & group are building out a much bigger reactor for their first show and tell this spring ..... they wish to be considered a relatively serious alternative. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/16/20 at 09:53:16 Rossi had better show off his stuff PUBLICLY in a very positive fashion very shortly or else he will get skipped over in this new move to distributed power generation (something that is coming together now). Rossi is NOT BEING SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED BY ANYONE that is very visible at this point in time. His lab demos have not led to anything that is readily visible. Rossi has apparently damaged his relations with his biographer and with some of the key MFMP personnel (as he started getting controlling input from others, Rossi has apparently been cutting off some of his old key supporting people). As Rossi goes under the thumb of some commercial concerns, he runs the risk of being silenced by these same commercial concerns and becoming a non-player in his old age. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/20/20 at 20:39:47 https://e-catworld.com/2020/12/20/brilliant-light-power-publishes-calorimetry-report-showing-significant-power-gain/ Brilliant Light Power Publishes Calorimetry Report Showing Significant Power Gain in SunCell Runs Posted on December 20, 2020 • 2 Comments There is a new report on the Brilliant Light Power website titled “Water Bath Calorimetry (120420): Report “. The report was written by Mark Nansteel, Ph.D. who is described as a heat transfer expert. The 22 page report describes two water bath calorimetry tests done on December 4th at BLP headquarters in New Jersey. The link to the document is here: Microsoft Word – Report on Water Bath Calorimetry (120420).docx (brilliantlightpower.com) Dr. Nansteel has written a very thorough report on how the testing was done, and how results were measured. The main conclusions are presented in this graphic, which shows the energy gain in the experiment, and compares it to similar tests carried out in November — showing a significant improvement: http://https://e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/BLP-12-2020-768x208.jpg On the Brilliant Light Power website they state that they limited run time to get accurate calorimetry, but that the SunCell is capable of running indefinitely. They also write: Moreover, with a Brayton cycle turbine addition, the SunCell® gain is sufficient to serve as a stand-alone power source of at least 100 kW thermal with no grid or fuel connection and no CO2 or pollution of any kind. Over 250 kW and 10-fold gain have been achieved with this design by changing the operational parameters. We are developing control systems to run at these extreme power density levels without occurring limitations of the cooling system that could lead to damage to the SunCell. Sun Cell seems to be maturing and picking up both power and reliability. COP is over 3.3 as of right now, but that is heat only, no electric. SAFIRE is doing very well, also. SAFIRE does make electricity as well as heat. And that South African Tesla fella is busy sucking electrical power in from the air although he can't say how it got there in the first place ....... Get your act together Rossi and make your Public presentations, you have two-three real competitors who are about ready to start shipping units to customers. They are not going to screw around seeking "perfect" and they will steal your thunder by shipping first if you let them. ROSSI, YOU MUST SHOW YOUR INTERNAL ELECTRICAL PRODUCTION E-CAT SKL SYSTEM OPERATING RELIABLY IN A PUBLIC PRESENTATION ASAP. https://e-catworld.com/2020/12/18/the-safire-plasma-reactor-the-breakdown-of-a-miracle-in-seven-steps/ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/af355bc814da3167c2439651075d58fa9d1c50dee1750669dd9b6e03b8245b1c.jpg?w=800&h=807 |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/22/20 at 05:37:39 https://e-catworld.com/2020/12/22/rossi-100-e-cat-skl-units-have-been-combined/ Rossi: 100 E-Cat SKL Units Have Been Combined run off one (1) controller Posted on December 22, 2020 • 0 Comments Some questions on the Journal of Nuclear Physics today give an indication of some of the work that Andrea Rossi and his team are involved in at the moment. E. Hergen December 21, 2020 at 7:41 AM Dear Mr. Rossi, Does the test agency test a protopype of an industrial reactor? What is the power of this reactor for testing? Andrea Rossi December 21, 2020 at 9:41 AM E.Hergen: We are dealing with an industrial assembly of modules, changing power. Warm Regards, A.R E. Hergen December 21, 2020 at 1:48 PM Dear Mr. Rossi, thank you for your answer. One follow up question: What is the maximum number of modules you combined together up to now? Andrea Rossi December 21, 2020 at 6:38 PM E.Hergen: 100 Warm Regards, A.R. This is apparently the industrial plant that Rossi and his team is currently building, which he has stated would be presented at the public demonstration next year. Rick 57 followed up with a question about the controller for this plant: Rick 57 December 22, 2020 at 5:56 AM Dear Andrea, related to your recent answer to Hergen, are you using just a single controller for all or each E-Cat has its own ? Andrea Rossi December 22, 2020 at 7:21 AM Rick 57: We have a single controller, Warm Regards, A.R. And I posted my own follow-up: Frank Acland December 22, 2020 at 3:54 AM Dear Andrea, Interesting to learn you have combined 100 modules together so far. In your testing, has this combination of E-Cat SKLs worked as you have hoped? Andrea Rossi December 22, 2020 at 7:22 AM Frank Acland: Almost, Merry Christmas to you and your family, A.R. It does sound like a lot of progress has been made of late. They must feel quite confident about the quality and operation of individual SKLs if they are now combining multiple units The fact that they can actually build 100 SKLs that quickly is quite impressive by itself and indicates that they have a good manufacturing setup in place. It’s going to be interesting to eventually see the final product. 100 units running flat out at the last known max output per unit would be well in excess of a half megawatt in output, so we are sensing some form of performance or a longevity buffer is being put in place with this first public demo unit. This is fine, a smart thing to do or so I would think ....... Size is just being guessed at, with a 1-2 meter cube being the suspected minimum size range of the stacked reactors themselves (keeping the cooling system, plumbing and rack space as a separate affair using Freon and chilled water cooling means at least 2x this size is more realistic). Knowing what you can reliably do (and for how long you can reliably do it) is really good information to have right about now. Running a set of reactors to product "end of life" has not been done yet, the oldest unit run for duration was 2 generations back (heat only) and it ran for two full years before it was taken out of service and returned to Rossi in "still working" condition at the end of the current "heat only" contract. No units of the current SKL electrical production generation reactors have ever been run long enough for them to start to degrade their performance. Still looking for clarification on the total output for the entire demo device and by division by 100 to estimate the functional reliable output level of a singe unit cell. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/27/20 at 07:51:10 https://e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/ECatSK_and_lrpi2.1.pdf Rossi publishes his evolving theory in detail. If you can understand the theory, do tell the rest of us. It is clear that Rossi has gotten some serious help cleaning up his English and in organizing this paper for maximum clarity. Also, Rossi revises his theory constantly and it develops over time, quoting the work of others as Rossi does not say he invented these ideas at all, he just uses them. This is the 4th or 5th evolution of Rossi's functional theory ...... It is also clear that Rossi lives in a different world, one that has forces and sciences that we who grew up in the 50's and 60's will find quite strange. Some Rossi haters have already responded that Rossi has simply come up with a theory that removes E-CAT SKL from any possible consideration as a nuclear process, thus easing its movement into commercial reality. Effectively, this is true ...... but if no radiation has ever been seen then likely it is not a nuclear process as busting up nuclei or fusing them together always winds up with little broken bits flying away very fast (i.e. ionizing or radioactive radiations). If you sense a plan and a end game to all of this activity, I think you might be correct. All the pieces for a public demo and a possible Nobel Prize bid are coming together. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 01/09/21 at 01:15:14 https://e-catworld.com/2021/01/09/rossi-on-e-cat-skl-plant-i-am-using-it/ Rossi on 100 reactor, single controller E-Cat SKL Plant: “I am Using it” Posted on January 9, 2021 by Frank Acland I have asked Andrea Rossi some questions this week on the Journal of Nuclear Physics about how the work on the E-Cat SKL plant that he and his team are building, and which he has stated will be presented in a public demonstration this year. He has answered that the plant is operating ‘very well’, and when I asked how close its performance was to being acceptable, he replied, “I think we are very close.” This sounded like good news to me, so I followed up with another question today: Frank Acland January 8, 2021 at 10:41 AM Dear Andrea, Your comments about the SKL plant sound encouraging. What remains to be done in order for it to be ready? His response: Andrea Rossi January 8, 2021 at 12:49 PM Frank Acland: I am using it. When I will feel ready to make the presentation, I will make it. Need more experience. Warm Regards, A.R. All these responses lead me to believe that the plant has been built, and that it is operating in an acceptable way, which I think is very good news, and I believe bodes well for the public presentation. Rossi has stated that they are working towards a specific deadline, and that even though it has not been made public, they have a date in mind for the presentation, all being well. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 01/14/21 at 14:02:36 People have asked Rossi what is wrong with his current rig up, he says nothing is actually wrong but some improvements are still needed ----- and then the Rossi haters came on in force to throw the last 10 years of "get close then drop out" back into Rossi's face. The level of organization in this troll wave attack was quite obvious to anyone reading it. So, Rossi is acting all offended right now and has gone completely silent ...... I think Rossi WILL NOT MOVE until Mills is ready to demo in public. Or else Rossi gets bad sick with the don't get overs and makes a last ditch grasp for fame ...... factoid: Rossi has been working on a more powerful version of the reactor, this may be what he is currently holding out for ....... ::) maybe. Rossi has uncorked similar 2x factor performance advancements on everybody several times before, done it by surprise twice no less, demoing a lot more than what was expected. ================================================== https://e-catworld.com/2021/01/14/brilliant-light-power-planning-demonstration-for-jan-feb-2021/ Brilliant Light Power Planning SunCell Demonstration for Jan-Feb 2021 Posted on January 14, 2021 • 46 Comments There’s a scrolling banner on the Brilliant Light Power website which is announcing an upcoming demonstration of their SunCell technology. https://brilliantlightpower.com/ The text is: “We are planning an invitational public demonstration of the SunCell in the January 25-Februay 5, 2021 Time Frame. It will be video streamed by popular demand” Time to show your cards, Mills and Rossi, lay'em down flat on the table where everybody can see them, boys ....... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 01/24/21 at 12:16:33 https://e-catworld.com/2021/01/14/e-cat-was-introduced-10-years-ago-today/ From: Gerard McEk • 2 hours ago Andrea is being threatened because of the upcoming introduction of the Ecat. This is one of the reasons not to tell where he exactly is. Sad to live in a world that threatens those who may have a key to our future survival. Would Andrea hope that by communicating on the JoNP his disappearance would not happen unnoticed, or would there be another reason with regards to his (and his wife’s?) safety? From: Gerard McEk January 24, 2021 at 4:22 AM Dear Andrea, 1. I know trolls are marginalizing your work and try to blacken you reputation. Now with the approaching introduction of the Ecat SKL, has their activity increased? 2. Do you receive threats that demand not to introduce the Ecat? 3. Is the fact that you keep your location secret linked to these threads? 4. Maybe your open communication on JoNP contributes to these threats, but may also be a a way of protecting yourself, can you say something about that? Thanks for answering our questions, kind regards, Gerard Andrea Rossi January 24, 2021 at 9:34 AM To: Gerard McEk: 1. I don’t know: I do not have time to read stupidities, but the act that our competitors pay trolls to disparage our work corroborates the evidence of the fact that they fear us: nobody would spend money and/or time to disparage something that does not worth the while 2. yes 3. yes 4. I think my communication here helps us Warm Regards, A.R. Nils Georg Leirset • a day ago I think Andrea Rossi's delay now has less to do with the technical problems, but more to do with the attempts behind the scenes to suppress or at least postpone the commercialization of the technology. We can only sense what is going on, but probably Rossi's partners in particular are under pressure. Should the world really experience, once again, that epoch-making new technologies are parked or put on hold? Rossi is getting pressured again. Rossi's new partners and distributors are getting pressured as well. Bluntly, Rossi is functionally in hiding right now and has taken his wife with him. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 01/24/21 at 16:04:37 This is a predictable pattern, as I said before: I've found that pretty much any time third party assessments come around on a project like this they can either choose to go ahead with proving their machine works, and die, or just keep portions to themselves and keep making money. They are going the death threats route on this one it seems. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 01/31/21 at 16:11:40 https://e-catworld.com/2021/01/25/rossi-one-partner-is-a-multinational-company/ Svein H. Vormedal January 24, 2021 at 6:35 PM Dear Andrea How many of your partners are multinational companies, present in more than 20 countries, or with 100,000 employees or have 10 B $ in turnover. Regards Svein. H. Vormedal Andrea Rossi January 25, 2021 at 4:50 AM Svein H. Vormedal: One. Warm regards, A.R. I think all it would require for the E-Cat to be taken deadly seriously, would be for one major company, of the kind described above, to come out and say: “We have been working with Andrea Rossi with his E-Cat SKL. We have tested it, it works well, and we are going to be producing products which use the E-Cat” I think it is cute that Rossi cannot say anything about ABB, but if you feed him ABB's specifics and ask him how many partners he has like that he can say "One" and not be violating his NDA with ABB. It is clear that ABB has paid Rossi his very large chunk of European Distributorship money and is calling all the shots now ---- with Rossi having met all of ABB's conditions pending finishing development of the next wave of stuff which Rossi is busy working on. ABB knows Rossi from way back and they know what he is working on ----- and ABB is willing to wait for it as it will be worth it to them. Rossi can do heat. Rossi can do light. Rossi can do direct electricity generation. Other than scaling up his separate reactor outputs to 4x bigger than they are now, what else can Rossi possibly do ....... other than give ABB the time they need to unload all the stuff that is going to be obsoleted by E-Cat SKL? And unloading stuff is exactly what ABB is busy doing. All of GE Power Transmission and any similar associated existing ABB businesses are up for sale ...... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 02/05/21 at 10:59:08 Mills at Brilliant Light Power has demo'd his unit in Washington DC today, Feb 5th. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y8I7esYhDw&feature=youtu.be Rossi, ball is in your court ....... if you were going to demo, now is the time. https://youtu.be/3y8I7esYhDw =================================================== Rossi is currently being held back by ABB, while ABB sells off various bits of power transmission businesses (ex GE things) selling them off in a quick fire sale before they get obsoleted. Rossi falls back to his "late fall" 2021 original time frame for his demo. Rossi feels that Mills has just shown the world just one part of a system that has seriously unknown durability and until Mills shows the rest of a working system Rossi is under no pressure to demo anything. :P ================================================== https://e-catworld.com/2021/02/22/qas-regarding-e-cat-skl-launch/ The multi core reactor from ABB will be directed at feeding power to the grid based off as a "drop shipped emergency power supply in a container". A demo of that type system might be an indicator that ABB finally has their production level first finished product. Roland • 2 hours ago I'm pleased to see my surmise that a demo featuring SKL arrays with a hundred or more units, and perhaps several arrays, is in fact under consideration, as I said at the time if the world is to be convinced that the SKL is capable of powering the planet a demonstration at scale is what will generate the world wide publicity that will bring this a giant step closer to reality Axil Axil • 27 minutes ago • edited This will be a seminal moment for demonstrating the efficacy of colocation of SKL arrays with intermittent electrical sources like wind and solar installations, there are at least three European nation that could achieve 50% or more of their annualized electrical power from these two sources and SKLs almost overnight with this strategy. As you note, ABB is perfectly position to do this as they already build, service and sell all the components for the interface between the existing underutilized grid connection at the solar and wind installations and SKL arrays, they designed and built a lot of them al over the world, particularly in Europe with its emphasis on achieving carbon neutrality as quickly as possible. One of the most powerful arguments for the SKL is that a lot of socially desirable ends can be attained while profoundly strengthening national economic potential and competitive advantage. I would still say this even if ABB is not the actual business partner because all their corporate goals and ethos align perfectly with the capabilities that the SKL will give them across all their divisions in one fell swoop; commercial power generation, check, electric railways, check, their Azipod equipped ships, check, direct power for their massive manufacturing base, check, internally powered robotics, check, charging stations for electric cars, check, the list goes on. If ABB has in fact been Rossi's business partner for the last two years they have been gaming out the SKL technology every step of the way, the potential to factory build containers that output megawatts with no fuel required and no moving parts that can be parked any where there's a connection to the load is a complete game changer for them. ABB partially financed Rossi's 2011 demo and he would have been on their list of people to keep a connection with from the moment it became clear that that early demo was successful. ABB is very used to working with inventors, the company was founded by inventors that designed and built the cutting edge technologies of the day and the company has thrived for its entire existence by finding people who could create and, very importantly, build the next generation of technology that fitted into their corporate structure and aspirations. Rossi is the biggest thing that is going to happen in ABB's areas of primary interest for decades to come and if they're not there in the thick of it they're going to be looking forward to endless criticisms by their shareholders, Board of Directors, and Swedish and Swiss nationals for having missed the boat on the opportunity to turn their already substantial enterprise into a global behemoth that leaves all their competitors in the dust, all while gathering extraordinary good will by saving humanity from itself in our hour of need. Rossi controls distribution in the USA, so he should be talking to the Texans who right now would really be in a position to REALLY appreciate a power generating container or two ........ Rossi should donate time on his existing prototypes for this use as a publicity stunt (if it is indeed working well enough to do that). |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 02/25/21 at 02:23:34 https://e-catworld.com/2021/02/26/rossi-e-cat-skl-more-suited-to-resistive-than-inductive-loads/ Faced with people asking him to help out with Texas, Rossi has begun answering a few questions concerning the limitations of E-Cat power output off the initial 100 cell power block unit he has running in his lab. He only lets go of scant dribs and drabs of information and that is scattered all over his responses all over the place, which makes this particular synopsis very suspect as it has no single quotable origin, Each of the 100 reactor cells has a up down nature as individual reactors attempt to run wild and get reigned back in by the controller. The controller switches between reactor cells fairly quickly, but the reaction to a controller change has some lag time involved in it. With 100 of them, you tend to stay roughly in the middle for your "averaged" output, but your variation in your power voltage and current flow in each individual reactor is the full range of variation permitted by the controller (which is pretty wide due to lag when throttling back down from a spike) with the volts and amps constantly changing within the combined output signal. This is bad ---- in the electrical world as this is called "trash noise" for a very good reason. This means a normal electric motor has trouble with direct use of E-Cat power as they were all designed to run off main line power which has very very little inherent variation and an extremely regular syn wave form. Electric motors are tuned very tightly so as to be efficient, and the sloppy E-Cat power drives them nuts, as in the motor won't run and/or the motor overheats. Electronics also have problems running directly off E-Cat power for all these same reasons. Using a smaller initial set of 3 switched abuse resistant batteries used in rotation (one is charging, one is stabilizing and cooling, while the last one is discharging to the main storage batteries) as a down voltage and stabilization stage is indeed helpful, but the smaller buffer batteries seem to get quickly degraded by the jagged input charging power from the E-Cat reactor bank. Larger battery size could help fight this charging degradation. The normal output voltage range of E-Cat is simply wrong for most normal existing electrical devices (it is way too high in voltage and very low in amperage). This is a challenge for ABB Electrics to overcome, as they need both a storage system and a means of lowering the voltage that is both reliable and cheap to do. Putting the E-Cat to work charging the large main battery bank (structured as smaller half sized segregated sub-batteries) could make sense here as final filtered power from the non-charging bank could be supplied to the controller for the bank that is being charged. This might provide a method to the voltage to the controller set to be stable and usable (assuming the E-Cat voltage has been lowered to the correct levels and all the charging noise is removed when the charging was switched over to the other sub-bank). ABB and Rossi are having issues as "noisy controller power" aggravates all the issues with the E-Cat control system. This is why the autonomous E-Cat isn't being presented just yet, nor are there any rumors flowing out from the development work since ABB is the source of the electronics development work and ABB DOES NOT LEAK AT ALL, ever. =================================================== Rossi confirms that the "electrical trash noise" is why he always uses mains power to run his controller installations and why there never been an autonomous E-Cat built yet so far. Folks are theorizing that the main battery bank could be split into two functional banks with one bank being stabilized and then that bank would be suitable to use to drive the controller for charging the other bank. Then they switch off duties and the drained bank gets charged. Simple restive loads (like heaters) do seem work OK right now, but that is simply not enough of a use to make up a marketable product right now. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/05/21 at 01:21:23 Rossi: E-Cat SKL More Suited to Resistive than Inductive Loads Posted on February 26, 2021 • 146 Comments It has been interesting over the last few days to see the back and forth on the Journal of Nuclear Physics between Andrea Rossi and various readers who are trying to understand what kind of generator the E-Cat SKL is. Andrea Rossi is very reluctant to provide a detailed description of the E-C SKL, and the kind of power that it generates but from comments he has made over the last while there are some things that he has revealed. 1. That it works best when the load is resistive — such as heaters or lamps. 2. That it is problematic when working with electric motors and electronics directly. 3. That it can be used to charge batteries. I think many followers of the E-Cat have been assuming that if the E-C SKL can generate electricity then it should be simple to use it for any purpose that electricity is currently used. But apparently it is not so simple, and it’s not clear why. Perhaps one clue can be found in this Q&A from the JONP yesterday: Svein H. Vormedal February 24, 2021 at 3:17 PM Dear Andrea What are the voltage of each E-Cat SKL, cell or unit? Regards Svein H. Vormedal Andrea Rossi February 24, 2021 at 4:19 PM Svein H. Vormedal: Putting modules in series the Voltage sums up, but other are the problems raised by inductive loads and we are resolving problems. Warm Regards, A.R. Inductive loads include electric motors, transformers and coils. I don’t have a great deal of knowledge about electronics, but I am aware that resistive loads are simpler than inductive loads, and it appears that is more suitable for use with the E-C SKL. Here is a description of the difference from Sciencing.com “The outlets on your wall channel alternating current, or AC, which means that the flow of the current is reversed periodically. This reversal can be graphed as a wave and both the voltage and the current have a specific wave. The type of load depends on how the wave for the voltage and the wave for the current line up. In resistive loads, such as light bulbs, the voltage and current waves match, or the two are in phase. As you might guess from the name, resistive loads only resist the current and are the simplest type of load. In inductive loads, such as an electric motor, the voltage wave is ahead of the current wave. The difference between the two waves creates a secondary voltage that moves in opposition to the voltage from your energy source, known as inductance. Because of this property, inductive loads tend to experience power surges when they are turned on and off, a phenomenon not seen with resistive loads.” To my mind, if the E-C SKL can charge a battery, then using batteries in conjunction with it, could make things simpler as the batteries can provide electricity in a form that can be used by most devices. But this would add more complexity and a lot more expense to any system which might defeat the purpose of using the E-Cat in the first place. My guess is that Rossi will be trying to find ways to deal with the issue in the least complex way possible. =================================================== Gerard McEk • a day ago • edited Some interesting answers to my questions to AR: 2021-03-03 11:31 Gerard McEk Dear Andrea, Recently some questions were asked about whether or not both E-cat SK and SKL were to be presented. You expect only to present the SKL because it fulfills all functions a SK has plus some additional, is what I understood from you reply. Some questions about that: 1. This implies that you expect that the SKL can produce heat to the same cost as heat produced by the SK. Is that correct? yes 2. In the past you said that the SKL is much more complicated than the SK, you spoke also about ‘many additional connections’. It is strange that more complicated devices (SKL) are still less costly than the more ‘basic’ devices (SK). Besides, to generate heat with the SKL, you also need an additional electrical heating element, which’s probably cheaper than a steam heating coil. Can you explain? the characteristics will be disclosed at the presentation Then some related questions: 3. How much time is the SK in operation at a a customer without refueling now? one year 4. What is the longest duration a SKL has run without refueling? one year 5. What is the longest duration a cluster of SKL’s been running? one year 6. How many SKL’s did this cluster have? 120 7. Obviously I can’t wait until the Ecat is being presented. Has a date for this event already been determined? not yet, but we are close to decide. 8. Of course I understand that producing electricity at 90% efficiency is far more attractive than producing heat. To the current market price electricity is 3 times more valuable per kWh. But that may change when the Ecat SKL starts to dominate the energy market. Was the value/kWh the main reason to develop the SKL? yes Kind regards, Gerard |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/08/21 at 06:55:33 https://e-catworld.com/2021/03/07/rossi-presentation-date-and-place-decided-e-cat-will-be-powering-lights/ http://https://e-catworld.com/2021/03/08/the-first-e-cat-skl-product-a-best-guess/ The First E-Cat SKL Product – A Best Guess From the Office of the Official Leaker, Frank Acland Posted on March 8, 2021 • 0 Comments I am quite surprised that Andrea Rossi has been so open with his plans for the public presentation of the first E-Cat SKL product. True, we don’t know the date or location of the presentation, but we do have a good idea now of what will be presented. Based on various comments Rossi has made here is what I have been able to put together. Leonardo Corp, along with a business partner will build a lighting product, (Rossi describes it as a ‘lamp’, I think possibly it will be something like a floodlight) made up of panels of 200W LED lights. The product will plug into a mains/grid source of electricity and incorporate an E-Cat SKL to make power consumption minimal. The COP will be measured by comparing the energy consumption from the grid source to the energy consumed by the LEDs Rossi has explained that the reason that this product has been chosen for the presentation is that: “We prefer to start with the easiest thing to be done, all the rest will follow.” Also, it seems that the decision is based on the business of an industrial partner. Today he wrote “We are industrially ready for this, thanks to our Partner, and the potential market is almost infinite.” My guess is that this will be a product that will be used in industrial/commercial/civic settings. Who really would want large panels of LEDs in their homes or gardens? Will this be the only E-Cat SKL product that we will see? According to Rossi, not at all. When asked about using the E-Cat to provide power for the electric grid he wrote: “To enter the grid implies many issues we’d depend on. But we will get there.” When asked about whether he would be making E-Cat powered heaters he replied: “Eventually yes, but initially it will be lamps.” You have to start somewhere, and I think it is definitely a positive step that a first product has been decided on. Light is used an needed throughout the world in all kinds of settings, and everyone wants to decrease power consumption, and if this is a successful launch it will provide the funds to further product development. I am looking forward to seeing how all this plays out this year. =================================================== Rossi: Presentation Date and Place Decided, E-Cat will be Powering Lights Posted on March 7, 2021 • 44 Comments Earlier this week I asked Andrea Rossi what was the main activity he was involved with these days. He replied: Andrea Rossi March 5, 2021 at 9:16 AM Frank Acland: Our team is focused on the preparation of the product and its presentation. We decided the place and the date. It will be in 2021. At the presentation of the product we will also start its commercialization. This is what we are focused on right now. Warm Regards, A.R. A few weeks ago Andrea Rossi stated that in thinking about the predicted E-Cat SKL presentation he has been inspired by Nikola Tesla, whose AC electricity illuminated the 1893 World’s Fair in Chicago. Now Rossi has gone a little bit further in explaining what he plans to do at the SKL Presentation in response to a question I posted on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: Frank Acland March 6, 2021 at 7:17 PM Dear Andrea, Have you decided yet what kind of work E-Cat SKL will be doing at the presentation? Andrea Rossi March 7, 2021 at 3:07 AM Frank Acland: Lighting Warm Regards, A.R. In connection with this, a reader on the JONP had asked earlier this week about the kind of lighting that he had been testing the E-Cat SKL with: Patrick March 4, 2021 at 4:03 AM Dear Andrea, What type of lightbulbs have you been powering with the SKL? 1. Florescent 2. Incandescent 3. LEDs 4. Any others? Bright regards, Patrick Andrea Rossi March 4, 2021 at 5:37 AM Patrick: LED Warm Regards, A.R. So it appears that the general plan for the presentation will be to show the E-Cat SKL powering LED lights — which are well known to be the most energy efficient types of light available. If the E-Cat SKL is providing kW levels of power, it should be able to illuminate a vast number of LEDs. UPDATE: Here’s a new comment from Rossi in response to a comment that LEDs don’t consume much power, and that an LED can be powered by a potato: Andrea Rossi March 7, 2021 at 7:01 AM Patrick: LEDs consume less than incandescence lamps, but their consume is not “small potatoes”. We are talking of series of 200 Watts lamps, not of the 1 W lamps you probably are thinking of, that are used in electronic circuits. We’ll see the numbers ( and the COP ) at the presentation. Light consumes the 58% of the energy produced in the world by fossil fuels, notwithstanding the wide diffusion of led lamps. Warm Regards, A.R |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 03/08/21 at 20:52:45 "I am quite surprised that Andrea Rossi has been so open with his plans for the public presentation of the first E-Cat SKL product. True, we don’t know the date or location of the presentation, but we do have a good idea now of what will be presented." Really? After this many years? How long does a legitimate program need to remain exclusively in the mind of the one person that knows how it works? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/09/21 at 04:31:06 I think that issues existed with E-Cat voltages, low amperages, process controls and the general usefulness of the proposed product. These all had to be resolved before ABB would put their nickel down and put their name behind it. This may have, or may not have happened at this point in time. We will not know until ABB presents itself. Rossi has passed strategic control of the initial projects over to his main distributors (ABB is still my best bet as to who, but Rossi is not limited solely to ABB). LED lighting that runs directly off the output juice of the E-Cat is something that is within the realm of current technology to make, right now today. Noisy power does not matter as much, nor is control as much of an issue as long as mains power is available to run the controller box. It is a first to market technology, knowing full well that it will be expanded and adapted by other industrial uses. Using it to charge EV vehicles is another obvious path, but battery tech that can handle the high voltages of E-Cat isn't there right now. Two functional scenarios quickly arise about using E-Cat power -- first path is to use it as it is, which is what lighting will do right now. Second is to get the power into a lower voltage battery storage, then use existing "power wall technology" to roll it out into RV, EV and other uses. ================================================== https://e-catworld.com/2021/03/10/rossi-ready-to-deliver-1-million-e-cat-skl-lights-per-year/ Rossi: Ready to Deliver 1 Million E-Cat SKL Lights Per Year Posted on March 10, 2021 • 7 Comments Here’s a little more information from Andrea Rossi regarding the readiness for industrialization of E-Cat SKL lighting produce that he has been discussing recently. I posted a question about it today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: Frank Acland March 10, 2021 at 8:56 AM Dear Andrea, You have said that the industrialization is ready for the first E-Cat SKL lighting product. Does this mean you have the technology in place to mass produce them? Many thanks, Frank Acland Andrea Rossi March 10, 2021 at 11:18 AM Frank Acland: We would be ready to deliver 1 million pcs per year. Warm Regards, A.R. I would definitely classify 1 million E-Cat lamps per year as mass production — surely the demand would be there if the energy savings were significant. I do wonder though if they have any concern about the possibility of reverse engineering with so many products out there. =================================================== Frank Acland ECW Admin Robert Dorr • 8 hours ago I have no idea if ABB is or is not involved with the E-Cat-LED, but I think we should remember that Andrea has said his work on lighting is with only one partner, and there are other strands of R&D in process: "P: We have different Partners and all the threads of R&D you cited are in progress, but the lamps application is the simpler and faster to put in the market." |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/13/21 at 07:54:32 https://e-catworld.com/2021/03/13/more-details-on-th More Details on the E-Cat “SKLed” Posted on March 13, 2021 • 15 Comments Andrea Rossi has been using the term “SKLed” to describe the product he has said will be the first mass-produced E-Cat product, so I think that is how we should refer to it for now. There have been many questions posted by readers on the Journal of Nuclear Physics over the last day which have produced answers from Rossi giving a clearer picture of what the SKLed is and what it does. Here are some points that I have picked up from the ongoing dialogue: 1. The SKLed will be a lighting product that will marketed for all kinds of uses: industrial, commercial and domestic. 2.The product will be sold, not leased. 3. The SKLed will need to be plugged into the mains to operate – either into either 120 or 240 Volt outlets. 4. The SKLed will use specially designed LED lights built by a US partner, which Rossi says are optimized to work with the E-Cat SKL producing light at a very high efficiency: “It is designed to make light with a dramatically high efficiency, by orders of magnitude higher that the best existing LED illumination systems (220 LM/W).” 5. Rossi expect the SKLed to operate for many years, 24 hours a day, without requiring a recharge of any fuels utilized by the E-Cat. 6. The SKLed will be produced by Leonardo Corporation and built in the United States. In short, it sounds like the SKL is a very high efficient light. LEDs have been adopted very widely around the world in a relatively short period time because of their superior efficiency compared to earlier lighting technology. Many businesses and households have moved entirely to LED lighting because of the energy savings they can realize. If the SKLed turns out to be more efficient by orders of magnitude, compared to traditional LEDs, we could be looking at the next revolution in lighting. ================================================== On JONP: "Andrea Rossi March 13, 2021 at 11:48 AM Daniel De Caluwé: The Ecat SKLed does not have fittings, it is one cubic box with Ecat and lamp incorporated jointly. Warm Regards, A.R." Let's join the main peanut gallery consensus about the unified lights as being a Phillips Lighting distributor product. Very few makers of LED lights of higher capacity can alter their product to use the trashy peaky irregular power directly from an E-Cat SKL. Phillips fits the bill and is already known to have contacted Rossi about a year ago. Why it can work ---- multiple E-Cat SKL units output a moving voltage and amperage that circulates around a "designed mean" with irregular swings up and down as the controller acts to reel the the reaction in. You have as many tracts up and down as you have SKL reactors, and they get into and out of sync with each other in a random fashion. Putting them stacked on top of each other in multiples, you get a somewhat irregular DC power supply with a very trashy, noisy nature. Somebody (Phillips ???) has designed a higher power LED system to accommodate this trashy, noisy DC power and if you consider the separate power from the mains (you need clean power to run the reactor controllers) as the input energy and the output LED light in lumens in your simple COP calculation you get COP numbers in the order of large hundreds. Rossi claims the lights can run 24/7 for years without needing anything in the way of reactor replacement as the LED's will wear out and die before the reactors weaken significantly. Growing hydroponics food under grow lights possibly becomes a commercially feasible thing now. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/15/21 at 10:19:41 Well boys, thar she blows ----- ----- the illusive white whale, she is sighted at last. https://e-catworld.com/2021/03/15/andrea-rossi-announcement-regarding-2021-presentation-and-ordering-the-e-cat-skled/ Andrea Rossi Announcement Regarding 2021 Presentation and Ordering the E-Cat SKLed Posted on March 15, 2021 • 0 Comments Here is an important anticipation that I forward to our Readers and to the Readers of E-Catworld: In ten days I will publish a photo of the product, its price and the main characteristics and will open the sales. Everybody will be free to buy, domestic, commercial or business, or other as they might be. The certification, made by a third independent party, covers and guarantees the Ecat SKLed for any application, even domestic. The price will depend on the quantities a Client will buy. The official presentation will be made in November 2021 and the deliveries will begin after the presentation, but not before we will have collected at least 1 million orders of Ecat SKLed , because this is the payback number at the price we will make, that will be very popular (between 20 and 30 $, depending on the quantity of Ecats bought). The EcatSKLed is a beauty, designed with love, and pays back its price in less that one year; we will guarantee 100000 (one hundred thousands) hours of life (that's 11.4 years of life) and a free substitution if it will break before 11.4 years is up, so long it will be returned with it sealed body integer and not tampered with. The presentation of November will have a worldwide diffusion. This has been decided, whatever it will cost in terms of money and fatigue. The Clients will pay nothing at the order, they will pay only at the delivery: no delivery, no money changing hands. The order of delivery will respect the list of pre-orders we already got, but it is necessary that all the pre-orders will be confirmed within 30 days from when I will publish here the photo and the data-sheet with the price list. The pre-orders that will not be confirmed will be considered cancelled. Warm Regards, A.R. $20 was in the upper range of LED bulb prices when they first came out and the first LED lights certainly did not last 11.4 years either. A one year payback on energy cost on a $20 item ---- yes, Rossi will sell quite a few of these things. I suspect Leonardo is being contacted a lot at the moment by tech representatives from "forward sighted" companies not wishing to get left behind the coming tech wave, and I also expect Rossi is personally "on vacation, location unknown" for personal security reasons. I will order one to give to grandkid as a collectable, so she can peddle it on ebay because Gramps is jest so silly. Still waiting for my little room heater, though. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 03/16/21 at 10:42:46 I'd consider buying a few just to see what they are and test them alongside other LEDs but there's no way I would take on an 11-year warranty with this company. I would only be interested in a warranty on the 1-year efficiency payback. Realistically it should only take 6 months of monitored usage to prove the claimed level of efficiency. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by jcstokes on 03/16/21 at 21:31:32 See ABB stock at $US 30 plus today $US 15 a year ago. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/20/21 at 18:48:05 https://e-catworld.com/2021/03/20/e-cat-presentation-announced-for-november-30th-2021-in-sweden/ E-Cat Presentation Announced for November 30th 2021 in Sweden Posted on March 20, 2021 • 7 Comments Today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, Andrea Rossi has posted the date and country of the promised presentation of the E-Cat SKL: Ruby March 20, 2021 at 3:01 PM Dear Dr Andrea Rossi: 1- can you say now where the presentation of the Ecat SKLed will be made and when ? 2- can you say if the Ecat SKLed will be shown while operating in the concern of a customer that will participate to the presentation ? 3- can you say if the presentation will be made with the certification of a third independent party made ? 4- can you say when all the clients that have sent you a request of the order form will receive it ? Thank you if you can answer, Ruby Andrea Rossi March 20, 2021 at 3:22 PM Ruby: 1- Sweden, November 30 2021. By then we all will have been vaccinated against the Covid. 2- yes 3- yes 4- about 10 days, I am waiting the last design of the body to make an updated photo. All the rest is ready. Warm Regards, A.R. It’s interesting that the E-Cat SKL will be shown operating at a customer site. It makes me wonder if the presentation itself will be held on a customer’s premises. If so, it would be a first, and would lend a lot of credibility to Rossi’s claims about his technology. Having a third party report/certification will of course also be a boost to the E-Cat’s credibility, so long the certifying body is identified as a competent and independent entity. I do hope that Mats Lewan will be participating! Rossi intends to reveal some separate distributor product development threads from more than one distributor team. More than just light bulbs are in motion, interesting. Rossi responded to questions about the unit life going way way way up, he says some life issues were resolved by the move over to multiple contact plasma reactors. My read on it goes like this ........ small single unit items will run the Rossi E-Cat SKL of one form or another. Large multi-megawatt heat based plants will run the Mills Sun Cells. Your home could run off Rossi or Mills units, with the Mills centralized as a large heat source. Rossi is likely to be built right into separate items as they are developed. Rossi will eventually join up with charging a power wall of some sort. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 03/22/21 at 00:38:50 Maybe I am not understanding this correctly, but my take on is that this SK-LED can only run off of an Ecat SKL device correct? Frank Acland March 15, 2021 at 9:56 AM Dear Andrea, Will it be possible to screw the SKLed module in a regular light bulb socket? Thank you very much, Frank Acland --- Andrea Rossi March 15, 2021 at 11:17 AM Frank Acland: No, but it will be possible to apply the Ecat SKLed to walls, ceilings, or put them upon desks, tables, wherever. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/22/21 at 06:27:28 My initial understanding is that it is a squarish separate one piece fixture more akin to a kitchen style light fixture. The controller and the reactor are built into the fixture in such a way that cannot be taken apart without destroying it. Like the other Rossi devices, it needs a connection to simple 120 volt AC mains power to stably run the control circuitry. In consequence, it has a COP number, which is very high using the light output as the relative output measurement metric vs the energy taken from the mains to get it going and maintain it. This is all pending the promised (fairly soon) explanations, specs and pictures ........ and it is noted that no discernible difference in your power bill will be seen off just one unit as the benefit from a single unit is small and gets lost in your daily power use fluctuations. ;) |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/25/21 at 18:32:33 Biden has posted public FEDERAL awards totalling 48 million dollars for the first major significant world changing American energy savings innovations. The US Navy has dusted off its LENR research projects with an eye towards cashing it in. Sadly, the Navy does have some tech that is currently rated TOP SECRET and unless Biden steps in we will never see it realized as a public energy source. Last anything was known, it was lattice controlled stuff alright, but it involved the use of hot radioactives in the mix to generate all the extra energy it achieved. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/28/21 at 15:35:19 https://e-catworld.com/2021/03/28/rossi-skled-produces-2500-lumens-per-watt/ Some more details have been posted by Andrea Rossi on the Journal of Nuclear Physics about the E-Cat SKLed. I think at this point we have a good idea of what to expect at the November presentation. Rossi has stated that the dimensions of the SKLed are 10 x 10 x 15 cm (4"x 4"x 6") with a weight of 200 g. (7 ounces) This includes all the controllers, E-Cats and lights. Today someone posted about a new LED from Philips, a bulb that is manufactured specifically for Dubai, and not sold elsewhere, apparently: Patrick March 28, 2021 at 4:35 AM Dear Andrea, Please find here the latest innovation in LED bulb from Philips: https://www.mea.lighting.philips.com/consumer/dubai-lamp And an interesting analysis and reverse engineering video of it here: https://hackaday.com/2021/01/17/leds-from-dubai-the-royal-lights-you-cant-buy/ Hope you find it useful. Targets Bright regards, Patrick Rossi’s response: Andrea Rossi March 28, 2021 at 4:56 AM Patrick: My ECAT SKLed generates 2500 Lumens per W, more than one order of magnitude of the presently lamp of Philips, then. Warm Regards, A.R. Should Rossi apply for the Biden money? Likely not as Rossi does not care for the strings he has found in the past that are attached to govvy work. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 04/03/21 at 15:09:44 https://e-catworld.com/2021/04/03/photo-of-10000-lumen-e-cat-skled-published/ Photo of 10,000 Lumen E-Cat SKLed Published Posted on April 3, 2021 Andrea Rossi has been sending out emails to people who were interested in pre-ordering the E-Cat SKL containing a photo of the E-Cat SKL, along with product specifications, and an order form. Here is the single photo: http://https://e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/PHOTO-SKLED-CON-MARCHIO-768x576.jpg The key data about the E-Cat SKLed from the order form: Dimensions: cm 15 x 10 x 10 (inches 6 x 4 x 4) Weight: 200 grams Expected Operational lifespan: 100000 hours Consume: 3.9 Wh/h +/- 10% Lumens: >10000 Light color: 5000 K (cold white) The support is fit to be applied to walls, ceilings or put upon tables Current: AC Volts: 110-240, Hz 60-5 Follow this link to get to a printable order form. https://e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Document-2-1.pdf |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by verslagen1 on 04/04/21 at 08:30:34 photographed on a backdrop of pinnacle of obsolescence. ;D |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 04/04/21 at 11:20:16 "photographed on a backdrop of pinnacle of obsolescence." Good observation. Also taking paper orders, but "working on" an online ordering option. Online ordering, even of millions of items, especially ones not in production is very very easy. My prediction, based of today's info, is no matter how many forms are filled out, a million sales won't happen allowing this to never make it into the hands of customers. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 04/04/21 at 23:02:10 My cynical take on the E-Cat unit shown and the info that was put forward is that Rossi is likely simply encouraging Phillips and others to jump on in as major distributor partners. He shows them a spotlight unit that they cannot match in any fashion without using the same technology. He applies a price point that they can easily match or exceed at their volumes of current production and current sales. Rossi will likely get a distributor taker or two to take all his existing orders over for actual fulfillment long before he hits his million orders. WHY IS ROSSI DOING THIS ????? If he goes after cars or home heating he personally is likely to get a bullet in his brain, but just making a slightly eccentric LED light fixture isn't nearly as threatening to the powers that be. Plus, Rossi encourages you (you, you major commercial supplier of whatever that you are supplying today) to send over a smart young engineer or two to his labs to take a good look around to see if you as a corporation want to buy into E-Cat technology before it potentially obsoletes all that you are making today. BTW, on-line ordering is ready now ....... https://ecat.com/ecat-products/pre-order-ecat-skled |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 04/05/21 at 11:03:02 "He shows them a spotlight unit that they cannot match in any fashion without using the same technology." He shows a single poorly produced picture. Not a working product. Given his background and the zero verified products Leonardo as a company has made, why would Phillips even pay any attention to this? If it were a working product, or Rossi had a better reputation, I could see a distributor getting involved but not with a single photo and some unproven claims. "If he goes after cars or home heating he personally is likely to get a bullet in his brain, but just making a slightly eccentric LED light fixture isn't nearly as threatening to the powers that be." This is the route everyone that can't show what they say goes. I mean why wouldn't the US Government, or Italian Military put this guy into protection and let him develop a system that increases the efficiency of their economy in a way that makes them instantly superior to the rest of the globe? Too much money coming from Big Oil, or Big Energy? Rather compete for oil against multiple countries than become completely independent? That makes sense. Rossi is too ethical I imagine since that's the other reason people who have global energy changing products refuse to release them. It's somehow better that nobody ever sees this world changing product than letting the military use it? If bullet to the brain was a real risk this whole thing would be handled differently. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 04/05/21 at 12:24:31 Point being that by doing it this way he is putting it on out there while minimizing his bullet hole risk ........ Also note the various ways the fixture we see really resembles a commercial internally pressurized underwater light fixture / outside floodlight fixture. Rossi's bits will fit inside this round enclosure, but have been stated to be rectangular in form several times earlier. Rossi has stated that folks breaking into the round enclosure will only find scrambled bits and pieces inside, so some form of self-destruct is included in the package. This could simply be turning up the device reaction driver until the unit self-destructs, so no explosive charges would be needed. Just enough enclosure to contain the abrupt fizzt out melt down. If you can focus that lens system to a single 10,000 lumen dot you could certainly start a fire with it. Or, like a high power portable laser you could accidentally blind people with it. Makes you wonder what a scaled up military version could do ...... main issue with the current laser stuff is that the immense power requirements makes them quite clumsy and unwieldy for mobile uses. http://https://e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/PHOTO-SKLED-CON-MARCHIO-768x576.jpg |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 04/05/21 at 13:29:12 I don't think killing Rossi is anyone's priority or it would have been done already. If he has an energy device that will change energy use forever, no amount of LED sales will reduce the impact of that. If these trillion dollar corporations or Governments want Rossi dead I find it hard to believe he can "go into hiding" in any way that would get him completely off everyone's radar. Maybe I have just seen the bullet to the head logic too many times in too many situations. I just find it too convenient. The online ordering page is better than the PDF that's for sure. But man have just one person read it first and fix all those errors. That type of stuff screams amateur hour. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 04/08/21 at 08:01:46 https://e-catworld.com/2021/04/08/e-cat-skled-presentation-date-changed-to-november-25th-2021/ Rossi changed his presentation date slightly so several of his distributors could actively participate in the presentation. E-Cat SKLed Presentation Date Changed to November 25th 2021 Posted on April 8, 2021 • 14 Comments Today Andrea Rossi posted on the Journal of Nuclear Physics that the presentation of the E-Cat SKLed will be on November 25, 2021. This is a few days earlier than the previously announced date of November 30th. I asked Rossi about this change, and he responded: Andrea Rossi April 7, 2021 at 12:50 PM Frank Acland: Yes, sorry, my mistake not to inform our Readers yet: the date of the presentation has been anticipated to November 25th upon request of the CEO of the Swedish company in whose facility the presentation will be made, because he wants to be present and the 25th is better for him. Obviously for us is very important his presence and we followed suit. Warm Regards, A.R. It turns out that November 25th this year falls on the US holiday of Thanksgiving, which is always celebrated on the last Thursday of November. In Sweden, this is just another work day. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 04/14/21 at 13:07:02 https://e-catworld.com/2021/04/14/rossi-announces-e-cat-skled-to-be-powered-from-12-volt-battery-source-as-well-as-ac/ Rossi Announces E-Cat SKLed to be Powered from 12 Volt Battery Source (as well as AC) Posted on April 14, 2021 • 0 Comments Andrea Rossi has announced on the Journal of Nuclear Physics an upgrade to the E-Cat SKLed that he plans to introduce in November. The SKLed will not only be able to be powered from a regular AC socket, but will also be able to powered by a 12 V DC power source from a battery. From the JONP: Andrea Rossi April 13, 2021 at 9:01 AM Dan Galburt (second answer of today): Our team worked today on your suggestion: all the the Ecat SKLed will be able to be powered either with their plug connected to the grid at 110-240 V, 50-60 Hz, OR with any 12 V battery, and it will be the undisputed lamp with the longest autonomy of the world, at parity of battery Ah. You gave us a great idea. We got it. The DC connection will poke out from the rear face of the Ecat’s body. Warm Regards, A.R. He explained to me that “The 2 cables (red and black) will be terminalized on the back face of the body.” Built in "over unity off a smallish solar panel" anyone? Depends on the amount of excess that actually gets put tnto the main storage battery, as to how much else you can run off the rig while the sun is down. "Over unity" means COP goes up towards infinite, right? Free light, free power (ignoring the $25 purchase price which gets recovered in xx years) ...... ;) What Jr. High science fair contestant could resist the challenge ???? =================================================== In addition to the -/- 12 volts DC connections, there will also be a knob on the back of the unit where you can turn down the amount of light the lamp puts out (a brightness control). Range is zero to 100% as a natural function of the controller. Once lit, the reactor is capable of a full range of control apparently. According to Andrea Rossi, the E-Cat SKLed will include the ability to dim the light. I think for many purposes, especially domestic ones, the rated maximum 10,000 lumens will be too bright, so the ability to dim the lamp would be very useful. Here are some of Rossi’s comments from the Journal of Nuclear Physics: Andrea Rossi April 22, 2021 at 10:51 AM Raffaele Bongo: Thank you for your opinion, that I fully respect. By the way: the lamp is dimmable and the consume will decrease in proportion: example, half Lumens, half consume. Frank Acland April 22, 2021 at 12:11 PM Dear Andrea, 1. How will a lamp owner dim the brightness of the SKLed (no dial is shown in your photo)? 2. How many levels of brightness will be available? Andrea Rossi April 22, 2021 at 1:39 PM Frank Acland: There is an A.I. system that regulates the lumens in function of the external light; besides, there is a manual dimmer in the back of the body. The regulation is integral, there are not steps. You can regulate any value between 0% and 100% of the 4 W of power. Warm Regards, A.R. So it sounds from the last comment that there is an auto-dimmming function built in, which is based on external light sources such as sunlight. I would think that this ability to dim the SKLed will make it much more appealing than if you were only able to have it on in full brightness mode, and it will make the energy savings even greater for those who use the dimmer. ================================================= HISTORICALLY, whenever Rossi demo's something it works a lot better or does a lot more than is expected. Rossi always holds back something for a wow factor come demo time, and he NEVER talks about or EVER demo's his full latest and greatest ideas under development. The very best is always reserved for some Apple like customer who wants those exclusive benefits in the market place and is willing to pay for that market place advantage. ......... from Roland, as dropped in the peanut gallery This is a very low key stealth introduction of a radically new technology in the form of a very ordinary seeming product, a lamp, for household and commercial lighting applications that is deliberately avoiding talking about the underlying physics, and the attendant controversy, in favor of getting millions of them out there in ordinary settings and applications without any fuss about the how of it. =================================================== Rossi: Next E-Cat Product (after the SKLed) to be Electricity Generator, Possibly in 2022 Posted on April 19, 2021 • 0 Comments Andrea Rossi has stated that the E-Cat SKLed is the first general release E-Cat product, to be introduced in November 2021, but he has also been emphasizing that it is just the beginning (apparently because it is ready for production). He has stated that they are continuing to work on heat generation and electricity production from the E-Cat. I asked him which he believes will come next, a heater or generator, and he replied “the electricity generator”. He wrote in reply to one question on the subject: Andrea Rossi April 17, 2021 at 7:34 AM The R&D on the Ecat SKL is continuing and, as said, I think in 2022 it will be launched in a way similar to the Ecat SKLed. Warm Regards, A.R. From this comment, it appears to me that his intention is to produce a generator for the domestic market, which I believe is what most followers of the E-Cat story have been hoping for, for a long time now. Folks point out that Suncell is supposed to be out in production inside 2023, so Rossi is pushing on that power supplying "tech news" now. He has figured out how to run his lights off 12 volt power, so once he has a charging method worked out he is good to go for independent power generation and he would like to have something power generating "something" out a year before Suncell arrives. Even if it is just an "everlasting power brick" to go in a kid's backpack to keep their cell phones and laptops lit all day long ...... NOTHING IS REAL UNTIL IT IS PRESENTED AND THE RETAIL SELLING BEGINS ........ |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 04/26/21 at 12:12:59 https://e-catworld.com/2021/04/25/ecat-com-faq-technology-is-based-on-an-innovative-way-to-control-the-physics-of-the-electron/ Technology is “Based on an Innovative Way to Control the Physics of the Electron” Posted on April 25, 2021 • 21 Comments Thanks to various readers here for pointing out that the Ecat.com website now has a section with FAQs about the Ecat SKLed: https://ecat.com/faq A lot of the information provided in answer to the questions has already been posted by Andrea Rossi on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, but there are a couple of questions where I found the answer interesting: When will the lamp be presented to the public? The Ecat SKLed will be presented at an online event on November 25, 2021, where it will be used to light up a large indoor space belonging to a company that will be able to confirm the performance of the lamp. At the time of the online event, it will be certified for safety and performance by a globally recognized certification body. This is the first time I have heard about how the SKLed will be shown. Rossi has said that the presentation will be held at a facility of one of his customers, so it sounds from this that the customer will have installed SKLeds beforehand and will be using them for lighting purposes. How does the Ecat technology inside the lamp work? The Ecat technology stands on 20 years of R&D and is based on an innovative way to control the physics of the electron. A theoretical hypothesis, explaining the operation of the Ecat SKLed, is presented by inventor Andrea Rossi in his paper E-Cat SK and long-range particle interactions, which has been read 63,000+ times and can be downloaded here. Assuming the Ecat SKLed works according to the specifications described, this is the question that everyone will be asking. They now have a short answer: Ecat technology is “based on an innovative way to control the physics of the electron” |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 04/26/21 at 20:52:05 Well at least he finally gave up on the cold fusion nonsense. The FAQ points to his old paper from 2016 describing his old space heater pointing to the failed Tennessee project? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 04/27/21 at 09:22:40 It's sorta funny, they still don't know how it works, really. Folks theorize that the lamp is mainly the light from the reactor itself, and that Rossi has established enough understanding and control to run the thing mostly for light with very little heat or electricity produced, or to run the thing mostly for electricity with very little heat and light produced. At some level, matter is still becoming energy, no matter how it is expressed. Rossi is an empirical scientist, observing what happens and adjusting his inputs (and his theories) accordingly. Rossi's old solid nickel powder reactors bear very little resemblance to his double walled ball lightening discharge glow tubes that he is using today. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 04/29/21 at 06:07:44 I and several others have suggested the E-Cat SKL be used to electrically trickle charge an appropriately durable style of battery. As a step #1, it sounded reasonable enough. Several have mentioned the small backpack power brick for laptops and phones as a possible first product for electrical generation for E-Cat SKL. Such a power brick would charge itself off internally provided electrons, then when a load is applied it would isolate the battery from erratic input voltages until the load was removed. This isolated charging and discharging "switch off" matches up with the product's natural use modes pretty well. And ....... Lo and Behold ...... Rossi: Batteries are a Solution for E-Cat SKL Power Generation Posted on April 29, 2021 • 0 Comments Andrea Rossi has stated that he is aiming to launch the E-Cat SKL, which generates electricity, in 2022. It seems now, from recent comments Rossi has made on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, that the product will be coupled with batteries in order to provide electricity that can be used to power inductive loads. For reasons not explained, currently the E-Cat SKL, is unable to work with inductive loads, which would include electric motors, compressors, transformers and any other electronic device that includes coils. RosAndrea Rossi has stated that he is aiming to launch the E-Cat SKL, which generates electricity, in 2022. It seems now, from recent comments Rossi has made on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, that the product will be coupled with batteries in order to provide electricity that can be used to power inductive loads. For reasons not explained, currently the E-Cat SKL, is unable to work with inductive loads, whiil 28, 2021 at 10:05 PM Hi Dr. Rossi, I have two questions: 1. In regards to driving an inductive load with the E-cat. Is it possible that the E-cat reaction is fundamentally unable to create electricity capable of driving an inductive load or do you think it is an engineering issue and it will eventually be worked out? 2. Would you say that the IP protection in the E-cat is military grade? Andrea Rossi April 29, 2021 at 4:06 AM Mike Phalen: 1- maybe, but the interface with a battery is a solution in most of cases 2- I do not know Warm Regards, A.R. It would seem then, that a battery is going to be requirement for the E-Cat SKL for the time being. The good thing about this is that battery technology is ubiquitous these days, and there is a great deal of R&D going on worldwide which is improving battery performance. A downside would seem to be that it would mean extra expense will be added to the E-Cat SKL, and that eventually batteries become degraded to a point where they need replacement. Rossi is not one to stop R&D efforts with the E-Cat so I expect he will continue to find ways to make the E-Cat SKL work without batteries, but it does appear that he sees them as a way to move forward for right now. I look eventually to see a form of RV that is self-powering using user replaceable Rossi reactors, an EV-RV that only requires a water hose hook up and a crap dump system that someone could live fairly well out of while they were on the road. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 05/01/21 at 13:23:20 4A6A68607D6A0F0 wrote:
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 05/01/21 at 14:31:17 "Can you go into greater detail on this, please. I am not following you about a Tennessee project." I will try to dig up some specifics. It is referenced in Rossi's document, I from memory am thinking this was at Lockheed Martin, but I may be mixing another energy experiment up in my mind. It seems it was most likely not LM, but I am not in a position to research in detail on my own right now. What I do recall is the predicted temperature output fell short due to a "glitch", and they shut it down. I will try to get more info as soon as I can. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 05/03/21 at 18:44:23 Lockheed Martin does have some LENR stuff that uses matrix embedded HOT radioactives so they can generate some extra heat. No electrical, just heat from faster than normal radioactive decay. I doubt a system built for long distance inter-planetary probes (Lockheed Martin systems which now use LOTS & LOTS & LOTS of radioactives) is going into either my house or my car ........ |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 05/04/21 at 05:49:20 https://e-catworld.com/2021/05/04/rossi-testing-e-cat-skled-for-greenhouse-applications/ Rossi Testing E-Cat SKLed for Greenhouse Applications Posted on May 4, 2021 • 0 Comments On the Journal of Nuclear Physics yesterday, Andrea Rossi mentioned that he had been doing some experiments using the Ecat SKLed light in greenhouse environments. Presumably this means using the light of the SKLed to help grow plants, and not for heating the greenhouse (since the SKLed apparently produces very minimal amounts of heat). I followed up with a question of my own: Frank Acland May 3, 2021 at 11:11 AM Dear Andrea, So you are testing the SKLeds with plants growing in an indoor environment? Andrea Rossi May 3, 2021 at 12:22 PM Frank Acland: Yes, we are making experiments with a friend of mine who owns a series of greenhouses. Warm Regards, A.R. He provided very little information about the results of this testing, except to say in response to a question about whether the spectrum of the SKLed was fit for this application, “It appears so from the first experiments”. If the SKLed really is suitable for plant growth, I would imagine there would be a great deal of interest in the indoor agriculture/horticulture industry. Lighting is a major expense for indoor growers, and if the SKLed can cut energy use by around 90 per cent, as claimed, then it should be a real hit with this market, once SKLed production starts. I hope that we will get more information about these plant-growing experiments at the November presentation, if not before. Growing food plants inside is bigger than you think it is. Pot is not all that is being grown vertically indoors using hydroponics on a commercial basis. https://youtu.be/AxObpAmAizk Click on the link and spend a few minutes looking at it, you are eating some of these tomatoes and stuff right now if you are living in the EU. =================================================== E-Cat SKL Tests Next Weekend Could ‘Accelerate the Presentation’ of E-Cat SKL Electricity Generator. Posted on May 10, 2021 • 0 Comments It seems that Andrea Rossi is turning an increasing amount of his attention and time towards the electricity-generating E-Cat SKL these days. He has explained that it is still a work in progress and that they need to overcome certain obstacles before it can be ready as a commercial product. The exact nature of the problems they are dealing with have not been specified, but Rossi stated this weekend that he is preparing for an important series of tests starting next Saturday (May 15th) with a new level of artificial intelligence: Mara May 8, 2021 at 10:44 AM Dr Rossi: I think in this period you and your team are focused mainly on the presentation of the Ecat SKLed on November 25th; are you also working on the development of the SKL ? Mara Andrea Rossi May 8, 2021 at 2:29 PM Mara: Absolutely yes: next Saturday I will receive components for an elaboration of the artificial intelligence that should give us a strong contribution and accelerate its presentation: the tests will be made next Saturday and Sunday. I am optimist, but the experiment is very difficult, Very intriguing, though. Warm Regards, A.R. I asked some questions about exactly what they were hoping to achieve with the new AI tests: Frank Acland May 9, 2021 at 8:40 AM Dear Andrea, Is the purpose of the AI system you will test next week: 1. To improve the stability of the SKL? 2. To make a more regular electrical output from the SKL? 3. To help with charging of batteries? 4. To increase the COP of the SKL? Andrea Rossi May 9, 2021 at 9:54 AM Frank Acland: 1 and 2 Warm Regards, A.R. It’s interesting to me that Rossi comments above that these tests could “accelerate the presentation” of the SKL. Rossi has stated that the SKL will be presented in 2022, but Rossi has now opened the door to the possibility that the presentation could be sooner. Gerard McEk asked him whether there would be any chance of showing it at the November 25 presentation later this year. Rossi replied: ” this depends on what we will see during the weekend of the next week.” |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 05/21/21 at 04:39:51 http://https://www.samsungsdi.com/upload/editor/1600835998969.jpg http://https://www.samsungsdi.com/upload/editor/1600835984640.JPG This is hard science. This is published on the record. This is breaking news as Samsung is shipping test samples as we speak. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41560-020-0575-z https://newatlas.com/energy/samsung-solid-state-ev-battery/ In a nutshell, solid state lithium foil batteries are more rugged, and they are approximately half as large physically, take recharges over 2x faster (at higher charge amp ranges), can give twice the road range on an EV (or twice the run time on a cell phone) and are MUCH SAFER (no more spontaneous fires). Battery is formed from layers of solid foil bound together, so it suits all the existing battery formats both rolled and flat folded. Rossi is excited because they can stand taking a charge directly from his SKL. This type of battery will take over the industry because it is simply better on all fronts. More will come out from the testing samples that were shipped out last week. =================================================== Twice the output power, 2x the runtime (range), charges twice as fast and is half the physical size. The tech world is buzzing this week about the potential changes this new style of battery can bring. If it can indeed take a charge from a direct connection to a Rossi SKL then it can become quite powerful and quite portable, and once the stored battery power is run through an AC inverter should be able to run existing old style induction driven power tools, etc. More likely the new style brush-less DC motors will simply take over the entire DC world and DC only cars and DC only RV units will lead the way on that front. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 05/21/21 at 07:25:30 I remember seeing this a few months back. I'm no battery expert but I don't think coulombic efficiency is equal to measurable usage efficiency. Either way I doubt they will be marketed if they aren't significantly better. I asked a few associates about interest in the SKLED, one owns amateur baseball stadiums, another several warehouses. Both essentially laughed at the idea that no useable product demonstration will happen until a month before a mass-production order deadline. I understand this. Why would I even consider buying thousands of lights if I can't even get one sample? As the warehouse guy said: "A convicted felon with years of failed experiments wants me to have faith in his latest unproven product, order them and then maybe he will make product and bill me? Who does business that way? Kickstarter hacks dont even have this many holes in their models." |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 05/21/21 at 12:56:08 I agree that most of the business world continues to see Rossi simply as a paranoid convicted felon con artist. Even if he completely stopped acting like one he would never shake that image during his lifetime. May I point out that Rossi has not taken anybody's money (from individuals) but he has only let overly enthusiastic greedy money men try to take him to the cleaners. 3 times now Rossi has given this sort enough rope and enough sharp instruments to go dangle themselves upside down and to skin themselves right properly. Thus the importance of his current major distributors, the ones who will be making the presentations come November 25. Rossi needs reminding that he (Rossi) is his own worst enemy when it comes to his distributor partners. Treat your good distributor partners MUCH MUCH BETTER, Rossi. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 05/21/21 at 23:03:00 "Thus the importance of his major distributors, the ones who will be making the presentations come November 25." This still seems off to me. What major distributor agrees to a 35 day window from presentation to manufacture order deadline? Customer orders from "blind" no-commitment requests can be taken easily. But someone heavy like a person ordering for sports stadiums gets 35 days to see a demo online to manufacture minimum order deadline? And if 1 million orders aren't made worldwide then the PO is void? That's a very suspicious or at a minimum rather amateur business model. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 05/22/21 at 18:23:11 If Rossi's distributors come out of the closet, they will take over the Rossi orders and then they will fulfill them according to their own rules. Think of the pre-orders as simply being "indicators of Market Interest". Rossi may eventually get dumped on by his fans or by his distributors --- it depends on how real the performance of Rossi's products get to be by then. Rossi has promised a presentation and he has cleared the deck for his distributor(s) to participate in the presentation. Rossi has already enhanced his light 3 times now and has it able to run off of battery power instead of wall socket power. Rossi considers the light portion pretty much a done deal now. We haven't seen any particulars on his little charger yet, although we know it will be relatively small and light duty (and the Gen 1 of the chargers will likely stay like that forever). His light may well make enough incidental electric power to charge it's own internal battery once it gets lit off wall socket power for the first time. This would be a logical extension of the spotlight housing he is working on now. Rossi cannot control a large scale SKL device yet --- they run away from him just like Mills Brilliant Power stuff so loves to do. I count half a dozen little Rossi proto-clones out there right now, each with their own spin on the same general theme. One of the group will eventually figure it out ....... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 05/23/21 at 02:08:32 "Think of the pre-orders as simply being "indicators of Market Interest"." I think it's a way out if this doesn't work. Much like his repeated going into hiding. "His light may well make enough incidental electric power to charge it's own internal battery once it gets lit off wall socket power for the first time." Wouldn't this solve all power issues forever? I imagine NASA would be all over this for sure. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 05/23/21 at 06:50:36 Here is one of the optimistic sorts, just read it for the buzz it contains ....... The peanut gallery in general is quoting the old Rossi truism that Rossi will not expose a technology until he has the replacement upgraded tech ready and available to sell to the "deep pockets" military / top secret community / industrial leaders. Rossi has been asked and Rossi has responded that "his E-Cat charger works, but needs some improvements". Rossi notes that the LED light is working great, he no issues with the light and considers it "a done product". So here is Nixter and his read on the current situation. Nixter • 12 hours ago I think the minimum pre-orders of one million units is achievable if done correctly, meaning a few test units given to well-known electronics channels of popular internet influencers for reviews, you can bet that immediate claims of fraud would ensue, generating immediate interest. If the units can pass basic electrical tests done properly by an established YouTube Vlogger, huge amounts of free press might be generated as the seemingly "Impossible claims" are verified. If you haven't been following the E-Cat, the sudden appearance of this technology will look like complete fraud to the average person, to legitimize the claims this step would open the door enough to get the ball rolling. The significance of this development is that Dr. Rossi is now willing to risk having his technology reverse engineered for a specific return of investment. This marks a turning point where the doctor is ready to expose his Intellectual Property to the general public, where the units will immediately be opened and examined by entities wishing to copy the IP. This leads me to believe that Dr. Rossi' latest collaboration partners are indeed making progress to the point where the doctor feels it safe to release much older versions of his invention for use in devices for sale in the marketplace The premise being that his latest generation of the device is so far advanced that it will certainly succeed in functionality and marketability. The gap between the SKLed lights older technology and his latest iterations must be enormous for the doctor to risk selling it openly. I am curious as to the identity of his latest partner(s) and how they will be able to leverage this new technology to grab a market share, the partners must have some sort of exclusivity contract that gives them rights to use, market, and sell the technology. Right now we don't have any significant evidence that any of these claims are legitimate, this will change when real world hardware is put into the hands of the free market. Nixter and the others acknowledge Rossi's repeated pattern of not putting anything out for lease or for sale until he had the next generation of the tech debugged and working well enough to offer to the "deep pockets" military and industrial customers who could buy it now and be guaranteed a reasonable time of exclusive use. These folks (like APPLE) really value an exclusive market advantage. They value it a lot ........ |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 05/30/21 at 16:09:55 https://e-catworld.com/2021/05/29/rossi-agreements-signed-for-private-testing-of-the-e-cat-skled/ Rossi's light finds its market. Rossi: Agreements Signed for Private Testing of the E-Cat SKLed Posted on May 29, 2021 • 12 Comments I have recently posted about the challenge of Leonardo Corporation achieving the necessary million pre-orders for the E-Cat SKLed in order for production to begin. From comments Andrea Rossi has made on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, it appears that he may have jump-started the preorder process by making available the SKLed already to qualified customers for private testing. Here are some Q&A’s on the topic: Illuminated Reader May 27, 2021 at 3:44 AM Dear Dr Rossi, Are potential clients with the due financial ground testing independently the Ecat SKLed, contingent with a memorandum of understanding for agreements to buy bulk quantities of SKLed units ? Andrea Rossi May 27, 2021 at 3:59 AM Illuminated Reader: Yes, Warm Regards, A.R. Frank Acland May 28, 2021 at 4:20 PM Dear Andrea, You have told us that it could be possible for suitable entities to carry out private testing of the E-Cat SKLed prior to the November presentation. Have you made arrangements yet for this kind of testing with any groups? Andrea Rossi May 29, 2021 at 2:53 AM Frank Acland: Yes, contingently with licensing agreements that have been signed. By the way, I have been informed that fake licensees are offering our products: while our legal staff is dealing with the issue, please do never send money to anybody before asking us if the seller is authorized by us. If anybody is offered an Ecat SKLed or other kinds of Ecat can email to info@leonardocorp1996 asking if the seller is authorized: otherwise, you risk to send money and receive either nothing, or a bogus thing. Warm Regards, A.R. He mentions here that licensing agreements have already been signed. It sounds to me like a situation where the customer agrees to place the pre-order on condition that the SKLed meets the claimed specifications published by Leonardo Corp. I think this may be the fastest route to reaching the million preorders. Rossi stated that he thinks it is premature to think about reaching the million mark before the November 25 presentation, but that “I am optimist within 2022, though”. Where there is smoke, there is fire ---- Rossi's LED light is certainly smoking pretty good right now. Also note that Rossi has put a control loop in place on his new distributor's sales claims. In the past he had one new distributor who ran totally amok making promises that nobody every said the product could do, and then later he had Industrial Heat offering his products at prices Rossi never agreed to make it at. A whole lot of people got screwed over by Industrial Heat, btw. Rossi will add a bit of a dampener to his own introduction by doing this, but he feels it is necessary because of what took place in the past and what he sees happening out in the marketplace right now. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 06/05/21 at 20:18:31 https://e-catworld.com/2021/06/04/mats-lewans-view-on-current-e-cat-situation/ Mats Lewan’s View on Current E-Cat Situation Posted on June 4, 2021 • 39 Comments It’s been a while since Swedish journalist Mats Lewan has commented here about the E-Cat, and I was pleased to read this comment today which I think would be interesting to readers here, since Mats has been following the E-Cat story from the very beginning. Incidentally, a video of Mats’ presentation at the 2019 Global BEM has recently been posted on Youtube, and that prompted Mats to make the post below. https://youtu.be/-3-2Jc7SvvA It is a YouTube, just click on it and watch it. Mats’ comment in full: Hi Gerard, I am not sure I remember all the details of my presentation at Global BEM (I haven’t watched the video yet), but here’s my view as of today: I think the SK was potentially commercial, but when Andrea started to do experiments with direct extraction of electric energy, I think he realised the huge advantage of this, and that the SK in that perspective became less relevant to develop further for market introduction. Also, as far as I have understood, the SKL is much less complex and therefore much cheaper to produce and maintain. From that perspective, continuing to push the SK didn’t make sense, even though heating is a huge market. If you have a better, cheaper, and less complex product that produces electricity in stead of heat, you just use the electricity to produce heat. As for the SKL, I was involved in some attempts to make an independent and conclusive test happen, but among other things, covid came in between. Now, my understanding is that SKL has some way to go as an electricity generator. A combination with a battery is the logical set-up, for making it support various types of loads, for serving as a capacity buffer, and for making it self-sustained. I would be surprised if Andrea hasn’t tested this already, but some R&D plus engineering certainly remain. If you look at the car industry e.g., you could probably use any electric/fuel-cell design—where the battery is used for buffering and for capacity variation, in combination with the fuel-cell with its fairly constant output—and switch the fuel-cell with and SKL as the electricity generator. With the SKL having some way to go, and also being a more complex product to introduce to the market, the SKLed is in my view an excellent first product. It is simple, low-cost, useful, and easy to understand. If it starts to spread, it will also force businesses in all industries, to relate to its existence, and all discussions on whether the process is possible or not from a physics point of view will then become obsolete. As for your last questions—I don’t plan for any interview with Andrea at this point. But I might be involved in the presentation on November 25. We will see. EDITED/ADDED: I should add two things: – My understanding is that nuclear reactions look less and less as a viable model from a physics point of view for explaining the process in the Ecat and in other similar processes being developed, and that the hypothesis on extraction of energy from the structured vacuum is gaining support. – The general public and all major industries still don’t consider the possibility of discovering/inventing a new way of producing energy at all, when discussing how we could phase out fossil fuels (for climate reasons, but also for health/pollution reasons, which I often emphasize). I see this particularly in the transportation industry, where I am currently doing work on future analysis, and where such a possibility is completely absent in all discussions. On the other hand, I think it is a good thing that societies and industries have developed an awareness on the importance of energy efficiency, sustainability, circular economy etc, which most probably wouldn’t have happened if a new, abundant, clean, cheap, and carbon-free energy source would have surfaced to common knowledge ten years ago. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 06/08/21 at 15:15:23 https://e-catworld.com/2021/06/07/rossi-e-cat-skled-works-well-as-light-source-for-growing-green-vegetables/ Rossi: E-Cat SKLed “Works Well” as Light Source for Growing Green Vegetables Posted on June 7, 2021 • 34 Comments Andrea Rossi had posted a while back that he was carrying out experiments using the E-Cat SKLed as a light source for growing plants. Some recent comments from him indicate that he sees this as a success so far: Stephen Swatman June 5, 2021 at 12:53 AM Dear Dr Rossi, How are the results of the green house tests? I would expect after 4-5 weeks that you have some definitive results in either the positive or the negative. The plant & vegetable industry is in dire need of cheaper lighting, especially with the news that food prices have risen 30%+ in the last year. Andrea Rossi June 5, 2021 at 3:23 AM Stephen Swatman: The tests with the greenhouses are very promising. Warm Regards, A.R. Frank Acland June 5, 2021 at 1:23 PM Dear Andrea, I am very interested to hear that your testing of the SKLed with plants is very promising. Are the plants you are testing with the SKLed: 1. In a regular greenhouse (also receiving sunlight)? 2. Indoors (not receiving sunlight)? Andrea Rossi June 5, 2021 at 5:10 PM Frank Acland: Both. Warm Regards, A.R. Koen Vandewalle June 6, 2021 at 11:44 AM Hi Andrea, What kinds of plants are you experimenting with? Andrea Rossi June 6, 2021 at 12:09 PM Koen Vandewalle: We have a Customer making tests. The work is on course and we will publish a report when the tests will be completed. Just a curiosity: we already know that it works well with green vegetables like salad leaves. Warm Regards, A.R. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 06/12/21 at 02:41:39 https://e-catworld.com/2021/06/02/electric-fusion-systems-describes-its-fusion-reactor-a-monstrous-leap-in-clean-energy-technology/ I have mentioned the small crowd of Rossi copycats before, here is the latest one seeking money from investors. This one looks like a miniature Mills reactor, actually, as it has a gas flow but so did Panetelli's and Rossi's earliest units. It does have the Rossi style electrical pick up points, so it copies Rossi's ECAT SKL electric also. Here is how they describe their reactor: “We have designed and tested a compact aneutronic fusion reactor capable of delivering tens of kilowatts of power, yet scalable to megawatts. It can deliver constant, distributed energy, anywhere, anytime, without generating greenhouse gases or other waste products, or requiring expensive capital infrastructure or exotic materials, or even any oxygen or solar energy to operate” http://https://www.electricfusionsystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/0_357_600_295.2380952381_EFS-Exp-Pic-1.jpg http://https://www.electricfusionsystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/0_230_600_295.2380952381_Resized_20210409_102908.jpeg BROOMFIELD, Colo., May 25, 2021 /PRNewswire/ — Electric Fusion Systems (EFS) announced today that it has successfully demonstrated fusion reactions in a laboratory setting. EFS is pioneering revolutionary energy technology, using novel fusion physics that does not emit dangerous radiation. The inventors and co-founders, Ken E. Kopp and Ryan S. Wood, have found an easier and safer way to generate fusion chain reactions. Their fusion reactor has been physically reduced in size to a small, portable, safe device, suitable for a wide range of applications, unlike traditional approaches to fusion technology. “We have built a series of experiments that show fusion reactions on a laboratory table top. This is confirmed via neutron detection, gamma and optical spectroscopy that substantiate fusion reactions,” said Kopp. “What the EFS technology enables is a small, modular, and scalable fusion reactor that is safe and inexpensive to manufacture in a factory, rather than on an installation site. Our patent-pending embodiments create a globally transformative change in energy production, delivering constant, distributed energy, anywhere, anytime, without generating greenhouse gases, other waste products or dangerous radioactivity. This breakthrough technology has the ability to sustainably reduce greenhouse gases and retard climate change,” said Wood. “We believe we have cracked the code for practical fusion. First, we do not try and contain the sun in a huge reactor as do several other technologies under development, rather, we use a cyclical induction process to harness the energy of fusion chain reactions as an electrical arc, passes through a dense plasma fuel, resulting in direct conversion to electricity. One of the keys is our unique fuel that creates a super dense plasma ten orders of magnitude denser than historically failed approaches,” said Kopp. “What this means in a practical sense for the global consumer or industry is that EFS technology can lower the cost of electricity by a factor of ten or more for everyone. Currently, our costing models indicate an $8 per megawatt hour (or 0.8 cents per kWh) and we have not yet factored in mass production.” said Wood. “The billions of dollars invested over the decades into fusion have been for the most part wasted. Our technology will sweep away all of those failed attempts, creating tremendous possibilities along with disruptions. Our climate challenges can be addressed in a truly meaningful way, thereby creating massive improvements in the wellbeing of humanity as a whole. With an aligned investment partner, on a small scale compared to the capital-intensive fusion projects, we can uncork the genie and begin the transformation,” said Wood. For more information, visit www.electricfusionsystems.com or email: info@electricfusionsystems.com |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 06/12/21 at 16:00:58 https://e-catworld.com/2021/06/12/rossi-plans-for-e-cat-skl-lite-heater/ First mention of my single room heater as a possible derivative of what Rossi is currently working on in terms of a power supply which can only work on with simple restive loads. With the little room heater ideal, Rossi can carefully tune the entire thing against the constant heater resistance element he is going to be using, thus not really needing very much AI horsepower. Rossi's current reactor size is good for a small single room heater unit. Logic says this same design with a small self-starting battery (included to allow independent self-starting) this SKL Heater could be self-supporting as a flame free tent style "camping heater" as well. Rossi is searching for small simple products he can do right now rather than fighting for any additional new technical breakthroughs ....... Rossi is sensing that others are going to be able catch up to him if he does not enter into the real market place very soon with his first set of products. Rossi must verify his patents, build his brand name acceptance and get his early market dominance perception NOW, right now, before any of the others enter the market. Every early market Rossi broaches first due to easy entry will get several copy cats, ASAP ........ Expect Rossi to have to defend his patents against these copy cats with some protracted messy court trials. Rossi Plans for E-Cat SKL ‘Lite’ Heater Posted on June 12, 2021 • 0 Comments New comments from Andrea Rossi on the Journal of Nuclear Physics mention plans to produce a version of the E-Cat SKL which will provide heat only. Ernst June 11, 2021 at 1:52 PM Dear Mr. Rossi, will there be a e-cat SKL light, without battery and AI, just for the use with resistive/ohmic load? Warm regards, Ernst Andrea Rossi June 11, 2021 at 5:38 PM Ernst: yes, Warm Regards, A.R. Frank Acland June 12, 2021 at 11:47 AM Dear Andrea, Your recent reply to Ernst indicates that you will produce an alternative SKL (SKL lite) which will be without A.I. or battery. 1. Is this correct? 2. If so, what would this SKL be used for? 3. What will it not be able to do? Andrea Rossi June 12, 2021 at 1:00 PM Frank Acland: 1- yes 2- heat 3- light and electricity Warm Regards, A.R. Rossi had stated recently in a comment that he is currently working on the E-Cat SKL electricity generator which would employ an artificial intelligence system combined with a battery to provide a reliable electricity source. This is apparently taking most of his time these days, and the work is in progress, not completed. He stated that it would be ‘very difficult’ to have this ready in time for the November 25 presentation. This SKL ‘lite’ heat-only device sounds like it is a simpler system, as no A.I. is needed. There may be a chance he will present this in November. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by K.E.Kopp on 06/21/21 at 14:16:01 Greetings, Thank you for noticing our new release! In an effort to provide some clarity I will provide information as I can. Our Light Element Electric Fusion (LEEF) is not similar to the Rossi approach nor is it LENR. Our system is hot plasma and exceeds triple product requirements in every way. We simply have discovered a better and viable way. Regards Ken Kopp From our FAQ: HOW DOES EFS’S APPROACH ACHIEVE PRACTICAL FUSION? The standard of fusion system performance is the Lawson Criterion. The Lawson criterion is a figure of merit used in nuclear fusion research. It compares the rate of energy being generated by fusion reactions within the fusion fuel to the rate of energy losses to the environment. The criterion consists of three basic elements: density, temperature, and time. These elements are used to calculate a value known as the “Triple Product” EFS’s LEEF Triple Product is favorable for the follow reasons: EFS’s LEEF fuel operates in a supercritical fluid state with a density orders of magnitude higher than any other known approach. LEEF densities are literally off the chart used to document the plethora other approaches. Ion temperatures orders of magnitude higher and measured in MEV as opposed to KEV seen in other approaches result in significant chain reactions during every fusion cycle. Again, LEEF energies are literally off the chart. In other approaches stability of magnetic confinement is the primary driver of the confinement & Fusion burn time. This has been a failure point for other approaches. The LEEF process is cyclical and fusion EMF energy is extracted every cycle via magnetic induction at very high efficiencies exceeding 90% as compared to the ~30% seen in “heat” based extraction used in other approaches. Our induction field by nature is not a steady state field nor should it be lest we suffer the same issues plaguing other programs. In a preignition state our fuel exhibits a modified coulomb barrier by orders of magnitude through a phenomenon known as electron screening. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 06/21/21 at 15:35:22 Mr. Kopp Thank you for joining us as we discuss the first purchasable new energy products. I appreciate your product approach is different from Rossi's stuff, but will it be available in commercial products any time soon? We have an issue on this list that we are all getting fairly old at this stage of things and apart from a Rossi light bulb nothing we see looks to be purchasable in the near future. I would like a simple single room heater, really I would. I have a den that gets cold in the winter and my current electrical spot heat solution isn't very economical to run all winter. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 07/08/21 at 22:32:59 November 25th is getting closer and closer ....... Today, Rossi Sez ......... He already has over 100 ECat lights on display at the vendor's facility. He is ready to produce and ship the first million lights within 6 months after orders close. Certification of the light will be ready before the presentation, this implies some early data will be available concerning life span. Rossi is already saying he will replace a light if it fails inside three years if it is "not tampered with" by the user. He expects the light to last "many years of continuous use". So far life testing simply continues on installed units even after they get improved to a new design, Rossi refers to it as "testing still continuing" because his reactor structure and his charges don't die in X months on his new stuff like they did on his old stuff. Use as an indoor grow light is already proven out on quick growing leafy crops such as salad greens. Grow lights look to be a good first market for Rossi as long life and extreme energy efficiency are a good fit there. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 07/29/21 at 05:46:14 https://youtu.be/gnEGQnFE1nM OK, this Chukanov guy's patents drop off the first of this upcoming year. He is comfortably dead now. His ball lightning and plasma energy patents already cover what Rossi is currently re-inventing. Rossi's only "new" is microprocessor AI controls that allow higher safe power levels with no melt downs. Point is this, folks next year can file patents on slightly different hardware systems that can do the same things Rossi is doing, just quote this dead guy as your inspiration. Do it now. Build up a track record of your efforts. Then when it pops wide open, you are as legal as church on Sunday for ripping off whatever you can get your hands upon. The Orientals, DARPA and the US Navy are busy following this pathway as we speak. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 07/29/21 at 06:15:04 "Use as an indoor grow light is already proven out on quick growing leafy crops such as salad greens. Grow lights look to be a good first market for Rossi as long life and extreme energy efficiency are a good fit there." Proven? Where is this info? Point is this, folks next year can file patents on slightly different hardware systems that can do the same things Rossi is doing, just quote this dead guy as your inspiration. If only Rossi had produced something useable sooner or collaborated in a way that turned out something tangible. But he didn't. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 07/29/21 at 06:46:29 No, you are correct ---- Rossi has let his inner demons drive him so deep into secrecy to the point that the main progress wave is now going to roll on past him. This is sad, but hey, he did it to himself. Still looking my little den booster heater though ....... And I really don't care who provides it, as long as it is safe and it is cheap. Rossi has shown me (by inference) that he can do it with minimal controls for around $50 for a multi-multi-multi year relatively minor heat source. My goal is to bump up my den by about 3-4 degrees from 64oF house extended zone (extended den sub-ambient---- not to heat it all the way up from ground zero). Currently use a 750 watt singe room electrical heater to do the bump up job. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/01/21 at 05:04:15 https://e-catworld.com/2021/08/02/rossi-very-positive-progress-with-the-e-cat-skl/ Rossi just got hit with a line of questioning that he tried to dodge, but 3 posters held him to it until he yielded up some information. The Rossi nested double glow plasma reactor system naturally puts out UV radiation, as do Mills sun cells and all the others. You know that our normal plain Jane florescent light bulbs operate off generated UV frequencies with photons that hit phosphor particles that coat the inside of the bulb. The individual phosphor particle then puts out a white light phosphor photon to release the input UV photon amount of energy. IF this is indeed the Rossi light's secret, then it is a very low power inherently safe item and very simple and very cheap to build. People got it in their heads that the Rossi light used generated DC electricity to run a big complex LED simply because Rossi was working on electricity generation at the time, but that was pure peanut gallery conjecture that Rossi simply permitted to stand. No, the entire thing constitutes a big plasma driven LED glow bulb with a phosphor coating on the inside of the bulb. Support for this theory also comes from yesterday's post. Rossi is saying his electric generation is getting better, but isn't ready for prime time. Since his power generation isn't ready but his light is, then the light probably operates off something other than generated electricity. Anonymous August 1, 2021 at 10:21 AM Dear Andrea, How is proceeding the R&D on the SKL ? Andrea Rossi August 1, 2021 at 10:31 AM Anonymous: Also today has been very positive. We are making progress. Warm Regards, A.R. Frank Acland August 1, 2021 at 8:47 PM Dear Andrea, Congratulations on the progress with the Ecat SKL! 1. Would you classify the progress you have recently made with the SKL as a ‘breakthrough’? 2. What do you think the probability is now that you will present the SKL on November25? Andrea Rossi August 2, 2021 at 3:02 AM Frank Acland: 1. yes 2. not impossible Warm Regards, A.R. I do think that with a major public event scheduled for November 25th, that Rossi will be working and hoping to get the SKL to a level where he can present it to the world, along with the Ecat SKLed lamp, but I don’t think he will do it unless he feels it is ready. So with November only three months away, I think there will be frenetic activity among Rossi’s team to continue to resolve problems. I hope he makes it. https://e-catworld.com/2021/08/03/rossi-skl-breakthrough-improves-reliability-of-inductive-loads/ ONE WEEK LATER: Rossi now claims to have made progress on the power generating SKL, making it good enough to slowly re-charge and to concurrently partially power an electric automobile. This is big. Think of it just in VERY limited terms as a range booster, it is still big. Think of it in terms of a "live in a continuously powered off grid RV" and it is even bigger. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/04/21 at 12:57:56 https://e-catworld.com/2021/08/04/30-40-per-cent-chance-e-cat-skl-will-be-presented-in-november/ ’30-40 Per Cent Chance’ E-Cat SKL Will be Presented in November Andrea Rossi has recently announced a breakthrough in the R&D on the E-Cat SKL electricity generator that he has been working on recently. Today he made a couple of comments that indicate his current level of satisfaction with the progress, and how he estimates the likelihood of presenting the SKL at the scheduled November 25 presentation in Sweden. Marcel August 4, 2021 at 3:48 AM Dear Dr Andrea Rossi How many are as of today, after the recent improvements, the probabilities that you will present also the Ecat SKL on November 25th ? Andrea Rossi August 4, 2021 at 4:08 AM Marcel: 30-40% Warm Regards, A.R. Mike Phalen August 3, 2021 at 7:45 PM Hi Dr. Rossi, That is great news about the SKL! 1. Did this breakthrough mostly eliminate the challenge of connecting the SKL to an inductive load or are there more major challenges ahead? 2. Will lighting manufacturers be able to license the SKLed technology to create their own lighting products? Andrea Rossi August 4, 2021 at 3:14 AM Mike Phalen: 1. We are almost there, but not yet, although now I am more confident on our successful outcome, 2. This will depend on the kind of the licenses Warm Regards, A.R. On June 20th of this year, he gave the probability of presenting the SKL in November at 10 per cent, so confidence is improving on Rossi’s part, but 30-40 percent indicates that it is still more likely than not that we won’t get to see the SKL in action. Maybe he is just being cautious at this point. I still think he will be working very hard to make it happen. =================================================== ‘Important Decision’ Rests Upon a ‘Crucial’ E-Cat SKL Test on Thursday, August 5th Posted on August 5, 2021 • 2 Comments Late on Wednesday, August 4th, Andrea Rossi made this interesting post on the Journal of Nuclear Physics regarding the work he has been doing on the E-Cat SKL electricity generator: Andrea Rossi August 4, 2021 at 11:51 AM Mark U: De Grasse made a great job ! Also the Ecat SKL did a great job today. Tomorrow we will make a crucial test, after which some important decision will be made. Yesterday we were close, today we are very close, tomorrow has to be seen. As the gitan violinist of the masterpiece movie “The Concert” of Radu Mihaileanu says: ” …now it is evening, and the sun is not rising, but tomorrow will be morning and the sun will rise” Warm Regards, A.R. P.S. Thank you for your sustain to Italian athletes “Tomorrow”, would refer to Thursday, August 5th. I wonder if the ‘important decision’ will be connected with whether to prepare a SKL product to show at the November presentation in Sweden. I think that Rossi will let us know as much as he can, as soon as he can. He is obviously very excited about the prospect of having a reliable SKL generating electricy, which seems to be his ultimate commercial goal.[ Rossi does not want to give his copycats any information than he has to, but instead Rossi is always willing to offer up some mis-direction. Which one this may be is the question. A public demonstration of a viable working electric generator would serve to tie down Rossi's patent claims for this important slice of the zero point energy pie. We also think that this was a key deliverable to getting ABB to come out of the closet as power generation is their primary business and a self-contained charger and range extender for EV cars is a very marketable thing, obviously. However, if ABB rises to this bait and chomps on the hook, then the big silence descends all over again as ABB will be the tech's functional owner ......... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/05/21 at 13:32:00 Well, it's on boys and girls ----- this Thanksgiving the tiny little light may be joined on the stage by the not so tiny electric generator. ‘Important Decision’ Rests Upon a ‘Crucial’ E-Cat SKL Test on Thursday, August 5th Posted on August 5, 2021 • 7 Comments Late on Wednesday, August 4th, Andrea Rossi made this interesting post on the Journal of Nuclear Physics regarding the work he has been doing on the E-Cat SKL electricity generator: Andrea Rossi August 4, 2021 at 11:51 AM Mark U: De Grasse made a great job ! Also the Ecat SKL did a great job today. Tomorrow we will make a crucial test, after which some important decision will be made. Yesterday we were close, today we are very close, tomorrow has to be seen. As the gitan violinist of the masterpiece movie “The Concert” of Radu Mihaileanu says: ” …now it is evening, and the sun is not rising, but tomorrow will be morning and the sun will rise” Warm Regards, A.R. P.S. Thank you for your sustain to Italian athletes “Tomorrow”, would refer to Thursday, August 5th. I wonder if the ‘important decision’ will be connected with whether to prepare a SKL product to show at the November presentation in Sweden. I think that Rossi will let us know as much as he can, as soon as he can. He is obviously very excited about the prospect of having a reliable SKL generating electricity, which seems to be his ultimate commercial goal. "Physicist August 5, 2021 at 1:49 AM Dear Dr Rossi, Please tell us how has gone the super test of today and if you will present the Ecat SKL too on November 25th in Stockholm, Physicist Andrea Rossi August 5, 2021 at 1:39 PM Physicist: The test has been perfect. It is now likely that on November 25th we will present also the Ecat SKL. Warm Regards, A.R." |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/06/21 at 04:27:43 Electric Announcement! E-Cat SKL to be Presented in November Following another ‘Perfect’ Test Posted on August 6, 2021 • 2 Comments The news that most followers of Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat had been hoping for has been announced. Following yesterday’s test of the E-Cat SKL electricity generator, which Andrea Rossi described as ‘perfect’, he has decided that he will present a prototype of it at the November 25 meeting in Stockholm, in addition to the SKLed lamp. It’s hard to overstate the significance of this announcement. If the SKL works as Rossi says it does, it will be a revolutionary energy technology the likes of which has never been seen, which could have far-reaching impacts on the world. The E-Cat SKL is claimed to be an electricity generator that can produce more energy than it consumes. According to Rossi, the SKL requires only a small amount of electrical input to operate. We don’t yet know the exact ratio of input to output, but it will apparently be enough so that one SKL can power another SKL — in which case you should be able to have a chain of SKLs running from a single power source. Here are a few of the Q&As from the Journal of Nuclear Physics this morning: Frank Acland August 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Dear Andrea, Congratulations on a perfect test! What can you tell us about what happened in the test? Andrea Rossi August 6, 2021 at 3:26 AM Frank Acland: I prefer to reserve this information for the presentation of November 25th, Warm Regards, A.R. Gerard McEk August 5, 2021 at 2:15 PM Dear Andrea, Congratulations with your new milestone![ch128077] You have no idea how enthusiastic I am by this good news. I am sure you are too! 1. I assume it is the Ecat SKL you are going to show us not the SK, right? 2. Can you tell us which level of power the SKL will have when demonstrated on the 11/25? 3. What was tested today to enforce the decision for demonstration? 4. Will both SKL and the SKLed be equally important while demonstrated the 11/25 or will now the focus be on the SKL? Take a fine glass of Italian wine tonight and sleep well, you have earned it! Kind regards, Gerard Andrea Rossi August 6, 2021 at 3:30 AM Gerard McEk: 1. yes, it is the SKL, sorry for the typo, now corrected 2. will do at the presentation of Nov 25th 2021 3. everything 4. we will present both, where to focus more the attention will depend on the subjectivity Thank you for your enthusiasm and… cin cin Warm regards, A.R. Mike Phalen August 5, 2021 at 3:27 PM Congratulations Dr. Rossi!! Does this mean that an E-cat SKL can power itself plus additional E-cats? Andrea Rossi August 6, 2021 at 3:21 AM Mike Phalen: The Ecat can power itself plus other load/loads Warm Regards, A.R. I think this announcement will greatly increase interest in the November 25th event. Lighting is important, but it is only one application. Electricity production in general is far more impactful, because with electricity you can power most of the technology used in today’s world. With Rossi it is 2 steps forward, one step back at most of the early stages of his progress. We will learn more about the real problems associated with his new power producing system, how powerful the generator is (or isn't) and how long the reactor vessel remains trouble free. Next, you know Rossi will be showing it privately to major customers and distributors. They will insist on using their own instruments and testing. Much will be known at the end of this evaluation period. The fact Rossi believes it will pass muster is in and of itself quite encouraging. If his distributors (and ABB) think the same thing, that is very very encouraging. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/06/21 at 12:31:57 On JONP: (just questions and answers) 1. Is it correct to say that the eCat SKL can be seen as a kind of super batterie, since it can power itself up delivering power for others? AR: yes 2. In mass production are you planning a one-size-fits-all version first, or different versions for different type of applications? AR: yes 3. Could a plug-in a fridge immediately? AR: yes 4. Is it stable enough to be used on the move, i.e. to be used in a car, to serve as a power supply for the electronic parts? AR: yes 5. Is it now in principle stable enough to replace the batterie of an electronic car? AR: I think so Q: Can you give some insight into the testing of the SKL that made such a big improvement? AR: The merit is almost totally of the improvement of the A.I., because it has resolved all the core problems we had. ================================================== Brice August 7, 2021 at 11:33 AM Dear Dr. Rossi, Congratulations! This really is FANTASTIC!!! It’s worth waiting so long while now it can produce resistive and inductive load! A masterpiece that you probably didn’t expect yourself ten years ago! A blessing for humanity! 1. Will the SKL produce enough electricity for a moderate home? AR: the modules will be assemblable to fill any necessity of power 2. Will it also need a time to start-up? Less than a minute? AR: seconds 3. Can it run idle without any load? AR: yes 4. Does it still need the net for excess electricity? AR: depends on the situations 5. Is the electric output modifiable and flexible on demand? AR: yes 6. When can we place pre-orders? AR: premature, probably I will be ready to give this information during the presentation Once again congratulations, great job! Brice Italo R. August 7, 2021 at 12:33 PM Dear Dr. Rossi, I have ordered 20 ECat SKLed flashlights and am wondering if they will be self-powered (like ECAT SKL). It would be wonderful to have “eternal” torches that shed light without requiring external power. AR: The Ecat SKL will be able to fuel also the Ecat SKLed Gerard McEk August 8, 2021 at 3:47 AM Can the SKLed be made such that it will be self sustaining and if so would you be prepared to make them self sustaining? AR: No Rinus August 7, 2021 at 10:29 AM Dear Andrea, You missed this one, so I repost: Some people interpreted your answer to one of my questions in a different way than I did. From your answers it is clear that an eCat can power a chain of other eCats. 1. But can one eCat start itself such that runs in self sustained mode? AR: no, the start must be done by an external source 2. Will you demonstrate this in November? AR: yes Patrick August 7, 2021 at 8:04 PM Dear Andrea, Congratulations on your latest progress. Regarding the “AI” terminology that you use, does this mean that the SKL comes with a specialised AI microchip processor inside it? AR: yes, also. Calle H August 7, 2021 at 2:46 AM Dear Dr. Rossi, In your reply to Walt C you indicate there is a charge to be replaced in the SKL. As there is no charge to be replaced in the SKLed is it correct that the SKL and the “power” unit in the SKLed is not the same technology? AR: Correct |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/07/21 at 01:17:09 https://days.to/nov25 click to see how many days you have to wait Big Picture Prediction Time ......... Rossi, Mills and the rest are working on elements of the same thing. Heat comes first, then light, then direct power generation. Rossi has developed the AI CONTROLS for his smaller scale reactors. Mills is getting better, but Mills can still only run for a few dozens of hours before OOPS, AW SHITE, MELTED AGAIN tends to happen to Mills rigs. Rossi has 5-6 year old units continuously running "heat only" and Rossi is in the roll out of his first finished products lighting products run off dedicated assembly lines. Rossi has now beaten his reactor materials self-destruct issues and he has AI CONTROL SYSTEMS that actually work well enough to go for electric power generation now. Given this, his stuff still isn't polished and all commercial friendly looking yet. His distributor system is still weak because Rossi wants it weak (he has had a strong Industrial Heat actually attempt to take him over 5-6 years ago, and Rossi won't live long enough to ever get over that feeling). Rossi is still 2-5 years ahead of the pack. Mills is going after a LARGER SCALE market, and as such is going after LARGE CENTRALIZED REACTOR STEAM BASED HEAT SYSTEMS while Rossi is aiming small and widely distributed for his direct power producing products. Rossi will never turn loose of his secrets, his heirs will take them on past Rossi's grave. Prediction Time: If he lives long enough Rossi will have a small relatively powerful aftermarket EV booster & overnight charging capable system on the market inside 2-3 years. First version will likely require you to plug it into your existing car yourself as the car makers won't authorize it that quickly (automotive requires LOTS of time and lots of attribute style PPAP data for OEM approvals). He will have lights, a small heater, a large heater and a small generator in about 1 year from now, working with another set of paired distributor customers if these November demos and the initial light product introduction go well. Mills and his constant visible failures will still set the tone for Rossi, so if Rossi burns his stuff up even once in testing that will be the icing on the Mills based regulatory distrust cake for him. =================================================== "2021-08-07 02:46 Calle H Dear Dr. Rossi, In your reply to Walt C you indicate there is a charge to be replaced in the SKL. As there is no charge to be replaced in the SKLed is it correct that the SKL and the “power” unit in the SKLed is not the same technology? Kind regards, Calle H 2021-08-07 06:26 Andrea Rossi Calle H: Correct, Warm Regards, A.R." |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/07/21 at 21:38:43 Same AI Control breakthrough that fixed the SKL Electric also fixed the SK "heat only" versions. Ecat SK Heat for Industry Re-announced Leonardo Corporation has developed a revolutionary heating technology: the Ecat SK. This technology stands on 20 years of research and development, and is based on an innovative way to apply the physics of the electron (see a theoretical explication here). Ecat SK heating can produce temperatures suitable for most current industrial process without producing carbon emissions or ionizing radiation. The Ecat SK is therefore is a safe, clean heating technology, perfectly suited for industries who are seeking to cut costs, and also reduce negative impacts on the environment. Ecat SK heating is provided by Leonardo Corporation as a service, rather than a product. In other words, Leonardo installs the Ecat SK heating technology and retains ownership of it, while the customer pays a fee for the heat consumed. Ecat SK heating is very versatile and can be used in many industrial applications, and can operate at a wide range of temperatures. A few examples of suitable industrial uses of Ecat SK heat are: Food and drink production Cement production Space heating Laundry services Petroleum refining Paper making Drying facilities Power stations (driving turbines) Leonardo Corporation is seeking to establish business relationships with industrial customers who would like to incorporate Ecat SK heating into their operations. If you are interested in discussing this with us, please complete the form below. We will respond promptly. Existing SK units are fairly large relative to the other examples of Rossi Tech up on the Thanksgiving display table. But, to thoroughly upstage Mills they will apparently be part of the presentation this Thanksgiving. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/13/21 at 19:24:57 It appears that the big silence has descended again, so Rossi's larger distributor partners are suspected to have come back into play. The big silence is SOP for ABB, who says nothing about what they are working on until they start to sell it and then they talk very little to the public about those sales. The Peanut Gallery is still getting used to the different levels of Rossi Tech that might be displayed come Thanksgiving. The light is lowest cost, least amount of output, least amount of controls and is "thought to be just a phosphor coated glow bulb". You go up from there, to a small portable generator's 4,000 watt output in the rough size of a small hand carry toolbox. This could also be configured as a range booster or an overnight recharger for an EV car's main battery, or as an air conditioner running power supply for a cabin boat or a RV. You go up from there to a Rossi Heat commercial installation, which is bigger and much more expensive. You don't buy this, you just buy the seam heat it makes at a discount. Some of these installations are actually over 5 years old now, and Rossi claims they have not had to be recharged yet. Rossi has made a recent breakthrough in AI control systems. In the past his output levels roughly doubled during these advancements. We shall see in https://days.to/nov25 days ......... ALSO NOTE: There is a positive rash of very recent patent filings, with lots of players claiming they too can do things that somebody else has done or somebody else is about to do. DARPA and the US Navy Department of Energy Research are among these funky patent filers, just some more folks who firmly intend to not be shut out of the upcoming free for all ........ https://days.to/nov25 |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/18/21 at 22:17:06 Rossi: E-Cat SKL Maximum Operation in Self-Sustained Mode So Far has been 24 Hours Posted on August 18, 2021 • 16 Comments Here’s an interesting Q&A between Gerard McEk and Andrea Rossi from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today: Gerard McEk August 18, 2021 at 3:57 AM Dear Andrea, It is good to hear that the SKL is still working well. Some questions to keep us informed, if I may: 1. Is the SKL continuously operating in SSM, so not connected to any external power source? 2. What is the longest duration that it is in SSM until now? 3. You have said that even while it is vacation time, you continue working on the SKL. Can you give us an impression what is still needed to do before the presentation on 11/25? I wish you great progress and success in the preparation. Kind regards, Gerard Andrea Rossi August 18, 2021 at 6:38 AM Gerard McEk: 1- yes 2- 24 hours 3- many things, long and confidential list Thank you for your sustain, Warm Regards, A.R. It is good to learn that SSM (self-sustain mode) means that the E-Cat SKL is not connected to an external power source when it is in operation. We don’t know how many watts it is producing, but producing even 100 W with no input for 24 hours would be very impressive. As far as presenting the SKL at the November event goes, a live demonstration of this kind of long run will not be possible to do, but maybe something can be shown to demonstrate that SKL is producing more energy than is possible from a battery pack of similar size. Further questions showed the real meaning of the 24 hours that are mentioned above. Rossi routinely resets his SSM mode at 24 hours on all his power generating systems, this was a programming decision made long ago in support of the earlier pre-existing nanny states regulatory requirements. Rossi states there are some exterior imposed "regulatory issues" that preclude him from being able to make systems that will self-run for more than 24 hours by themselves, i.e. systems that undo the mains controlled "exterior shut ability by the utility company's computer control systems". The basic legal regulations of power generating systems that exist now in the EU nanny states will have to be legislatively updated and modified to allow for the self-charging cars of tomorrow and for the toolbox sized generators that can actually run a household. Right now most EU nanny states with all their street cameras and such want to be able to shut down a building at will remotely. Rossi's stuff intentionally does not go against this socialist nanny state preference ....... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 08/20/21 at 09:05:52 Not LENR but in the same field. There's a handful of articles but this one was the most composed that I read. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/humans-just-generated-nuclear-energy-akin-to-a-star/ar-AANvMBy?ocid=msedgntp 70% is astronomical for this kind of device. NIF was part of the discussion when I was at CERN a while back and they weren't even close to this number at that time. The projected timeline was 8 years to get this result, if it was possible at all. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/21/21 at 13:56:10 They all know they have https://days.to/nov25 days until Rossi presents his stuff, so they are all working very hard and making as many patents, announcements and various claims as they can get in before then. That three story lab is slam full of 192 huge power sucking lasers is actually competing in the bigger output range with Mills, not with Rossi. Mills is far far more advanced than these guys ....... They are fighting for their very funding existence, as when Rossi is demonstrated and the facts he gives out are verified and accepted their funding will shortly dwindle away. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 08/21/21 at 16:38:32 They all know they have https://days.to/nov25 days until Rossi presents his stuff, so they are all working very hard and making as many patents, announcements and various claims as they can get in before then. Actually they think Rossi is a scam artist and barely pay him any attention. Same as CERN, some of those guys even met him. This run, according to Plummer and Thelin, was scheduled almost a year ago so I'm not sure how much influence Rossi has in this particular study. As I said before, his death threats issue is too convenient, he doesn't act at all like someone that is going to be murdered by Big Energy. If what has been claimed is true, and he keeps going out in public, scheduling meetings etc. he will be dead before Nov, simple as that. Too many things don't ad up for me to believe he has ever gone into "hiding" due to actual threats on his life. Of course now it's just going to be the whole "It's too late now" argument because he disclosed his secrets, so killing him is pointless. Nov 25th will be interesting, but I am not holding my breath for a total shift in energy use on the planet. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/22/21 at 02:12:09 Rossi will announce and promote the little light for indoor veggie gardening. If it is tuned so it suits the needs of the salad growers and the pot farmers he will get his million lights ordered at his low initial price. If not, then he will need to announce a new price based upon what numbers of orders he does have. The little generator will be looked at closely and a few customers will step forward to visit Rossi's lab for some in depth testing. This all needs to be re-packaged for the owner to be able to easily swap out the charges. This needs to look and perform like a competitive generator product as far as ease of use goes. Rossi needs to lose the 25 minute reboot period thing completely and have his unit run continuously without interruption. His major sized steam heat arrangement needs to be sold, not leased. What he sells needs to be packaged for the commercial owner's maintenance people to be able to easily swap out the charges. Rossi has got to quit trying to sell or lease prototype level stuff. His retail products need to be polished, they need to be cheap relative to commercial heat and electricity and they need to be able to be run in remote locations off a storage battery for start up. If Rossi does not do these things, he is wasting everybody's time again. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/26/21 at 07:35:47 https://days.to/dec10 https://e-catworld.com/2021/08/26/e-cat-skl-to-be-submitted-for-long-term-certification-process/ E-Cat SKL to be Submitted for Long-term Certification Process Posted on August 26, 2021 • 1 Comment Andrea Rossi has announced his intention to present the E-Cat SKLed lamp and also a prototype of the SKL electricity generator at the November 25 demonstration in Stockholm. He has made it clear, however, that only the SKLed lamp will be presented as a completed product. He has made some comments recently stating that before the SKL will be available as a commercial product, it will be necessary to submit it for certification testing, as he has done with the SKLed. This process apparently could take about one year to complete, in which case it will be 2022 at the earliest that we can expect to have the SKL to be available. Someone asked Rossi on the JONP whether he thought the certification time for the SKLed could help shorten the certification period for the SKL. Rossi’s reply was: “This does not depend on us. I hope so, though”. Rossi has also stated that the certification process for the SKL will start before the November presentation. My guess is that if a recognized certification agency is following the established process for a product such as the SKL, they will be careful not to cut corners. While the SKLed and the SKL may share similar technologies, they are different products and will be treated as such. I think it is Rossi’s best interest to have the SKL go through a rigorous certification process. If there are problems with long-term operation, he will certainly want them to be discovered and corrected before the product is made publicly available. A thorough certification process will also provide confidence to that the SKL is not a fake, which I think is what many people will be thinking, giving the almost miraculous thing that it is claimed to do. =================================================== https://e-catworld.com/2021/08/23/rossi-e-cat-skl-to-cost-under-350-per-kw/ Rossi: E-Cat SKL to Cost Under $350 per kW Posted on August 23, 2021 • 89 Comments Here’s a question and answer from the Journal of Nuclear Physics that gives a ballpark figure about how Leonardo is planning to sell the E-Cat SKL for once it is available. Ivan Samec August 23, 2021 at 2:52 AM Dear Dr. Rossi, I understand that it is difficult to estimate prices if serial production is not yet running, nevertheless I will ask: By a very rough estimate, do You hope that the sales price for E-Cat SKL will be below 350 USD/kW? Best Regards, Ivan Samec Andrea Rossi August 23, 2021 at 3:25 AM Ivan Samec: It will depend on the scale. For a production of million of units, the answer would be yes. Warm Regards, A.R. So if we guess that the E-Cat SKL is rated at 5 kW, it would cost a maximum cost of $1750 per unit, which I think would be an extremely attractive and competitive price. Gasoline generators of 5 kW cost in the range of around $500-$2000 each, depending on the model and features. And of course they require gasoline to operate. There are all-electric portable power stations, which are large battery packs, on the market which can be charged via solar or mains electricity. Currently these run in the range of around $1000 per kW. If the SKL works safely and reliably, I don’t think Rossi would have any trouble at all in getting a million orders at the range he is talking of. https://days.to/dec10 |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 08/26/21 at 19:43:44 I imagine anyone that creates a sellable device that releases more usable energy than it uses would sell much more than 1 million. Ending the law of conservation of energy should be extremely profitable. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/26/21 at 22:38:34 E=MC2 is the law used in conservation of energy. A very very tiny amount of matter is apparently becoming energy, so there is no E=MC2 violation. Mebbe you are thinking COP, as in over unity or as COP greater than 1. But this has been going on for over 10 years now, so that isn't likely what you mean. Right now with his battery backed up SKL electric generator Rossi has an infinite COP within the life span of a charge. Rossi supposedly has a means of controlling it, regulating it, stopping and starting the reaction in seconds. He is finally at the point of announcing his first products in https://days.to/dec9 Eegore, you are among the many who will only consider believing it when they actually can see the certification results. And then they will have reservations and doubts ...... With the light and the little generator Rossi has enough to get the ball rolling once he presents the stuff as certified in a verified reliable fashion. Certification on the generator will take most of an extra year if from now the charge is advertised to last for a year. Something that Rossi needs to prove out in large sampling numbers over lots of time is how long his charges actually do last at a 95% confidence level. He has very limited end of life data (running to end of life showed his early stuff lasts and lasts and lasts well past his early estimates). I think, just me thinking and spit balling, that his reactors give up structurally (at a slow decline) at the electrical to plasma contact points long before the charge itself gives up. Since Rossi made the "many contact points" structural improvements nobody really knows how long his reactor charges last now ...... In any case, if he advertises a year he'll have to test for a year plus a year before being certified for a year if that is indeed the time span he is claiming. If he were smart, he'd claim 6 months so he can get his certification done quicker. This legalistic dodge will not affect what the reactors really can do. "Improvements made over time" are to be expected, after all. Sandbagging at the start to get the certification process done quicker can be followed up with additional certifications for longer time periods making up a "doable" approach if done over time. 95% confidence interval testing on a year or two years of advertised life will take bloody forever to do and would require huge sampling sizes, but once Rossi is selling the things actively he can collect the data he needs for his longer life span claims. Next complicator will be the fact the single controller can light (in rotation) multiple reactors with the max number being how many reactors can be maintained within the current SSM span of the reactors in question. Four is an easy do, 10 seems to be a too full house. It is clear that, post certification and post UL approval, Rossi's stuff can run a small household power-wise (complete with central AC no less). A power wall battery will likely be needed if using solar as well. An all electric off grid RV would also be an easy do. https://days.to/dec9 |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/29/21 at 02:28:05 E=MC2 is the law used in conservation of energy. A very very tiny amount of matter is apparently becoming energy, so there is no E=MC2 violation. Mebbe you are thinking COP, as in over unity or as COP greater than 1. But this has been going on for over 10 years now, so that isn't likely what you mean. Right now with his battery backed up SKL electric generator Rossi has an infinite COP within the life span of a charge. Rossi supposedly has a means of controlling it, regulating it, stopping and starting the reaction in seconds. He is finally at the point of announcing his first products in https://days.to/dec9 Eegore, you are among the many who will only consider believing it when they actually can see the certification results. And then they will have reservations and doubts ...... With the light and the little generator Rossi has enough to get the ball rolling once he presents the stuff as certified in a verified reliable fashion. Certification on the generator will take most of an extra year if from now the charge is advertised to last for a year. Something that Rossi needs to prove out in large sampling numbers over lots of time is how long his charges actually do last at a 95% confidence level. He has very limited end of life data (running to end of life showed his early stuff lasts and lasts and lasts well past his early estimates). I think, just me thinking and spit balling, that his reactors give up structurally at the electrical to plasma contact points long before the charge itself gives up. Since Rossi made the "many contact points" structural improvements nobody really knows how long his reactor charges last now ...... In any case, if he advertises a year he'll have to test for a year plus a year before being certified for a year if that is indeed the time span he is claiming. If he were smart, he'd claim 6 months so he can get his certification done quicker. This legalistic dodge will not affect what the reactors really can do. "Improvements made over time" are to be expected, after all. Sandbagging at the start to get the certification process done quicker can be followed up with additional certifications for longer time periods making up a "doable" approach if done over time. 95% confidence interval testing on a year or two years of advertised life will take bloody forever to do and some huge sampling sizes, but once Rossi is selling the things actively he can collect the data he needs for his longer life span claims. Next complicator will be the fact the single controller can light (in rotation) multiple reactors with the max number being how many reactors can be maintained within the current SSM span of the reactors in question. Four is an easy do, 10 seems to be a too full house with Rossi holding at only a half hour of SSM due to some sort of BS EU remote shutdown regulations. It is clear that, post certification and post UL approval, Rossi's stuff can run a small household power-wise (complete with central AC no less). A power wall battery will likely be needed as well, especially if using solar too. An all electric off grid RV would also be an easy do. https://days.to/dec9 |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 09/06/21 at 07:29:08 Rossi: “Professor Garret Moddel has a Strong Merit” Posted on September 6, 2021 • 0 Comments There have been some questions posted to Andrea Rossi on the Journal of Nuclear Physics regarding Garret Moddel’s video and paper about extracting zero-point energy from devices using the Casimir effect. Rossi seems to have paid attention to Moddel’s work, and seems quite intrigued and impressed. Here is a Q&A from the JONP today: Norma September 6, 2021 at 6:32 AM Dear Dr Andrea Rossi: Hasn’t the video of Prof Garret Moddel been inspired by your paper http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions? It seems to me that the start with the Casimir Effect and the basics of the “Zero Point Energy” remember quite strongly your paper. Best, Norma Norma: Probably it has, a coincidence is quite unlikely, but its importance is the support of a mainstream scientist to the zero point energy as a source of energy for which the second principle of thermodynamics is not applicable. Prof Garret Moddel has a strong merit, Warm Regards, A.R. The case for the reality of zero-point energy as practical energy source is a hard one to make, because as noted by Moddel, there is total resistance in science that the second law of thermodynamics (that entropy in a closed system is always increasing, i.e. new energy cannot be generated from it) can be violated. I think the only way to overcome this unbelief is to show in no uncertain terms that anomalous energy is generated from device. Both Rossi and Moddel claim that their inventions can do this, and claim ZPE as the source. Rossi’s presentation in December, if clear and convincing, will perhaps be the best opportunity to start to chip away at the resistance to ZPE, and it could help Garret Moddel in his effort to secure the funding he seeks to develop his technology, something he says he has found quite difficult so far. Rossi endorses the Zero Point Energy theory as espoused by a mainline physicist to explain his (Moddel's) current lab results. Rossi sez the Moddel theory fits his results to a "T" as well. Point here is that Rossi, Moddel and others are getting plus energy from their plasma set ups that have nothing to do with lattice anything, really, at all once it gets started good. =================================================== Dated 9-16 Rossi begins advertising on Twitter and Instagram, collecting followers for his really big reveal. This level of professionalism says Rossi has a competent ad agency controlling this roll out. THIS IS NEW TURF FOR ROSSI, having people that understand modern communications methods structure stuff for him. https://days.to/dec9 |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 09/21/21 at 06:48:55 https://e-catworld.com/2021/09/19/rossi-skled-performing-well-in-private-presentations-of-e-cat-skled/ Rossi: SKLed Performing well in Private Presentations of E-Cat SKLed Posted on September 19, 2021 • 8 Comments I asked Andrea Rossi today about private demonstrations of the E-Cat SKLed: Frank Acland September 19, 2021 at 3:30 PM Dear Andrea, 1. Have you been carrying out any private demonstrations of the E-Cat SKLed for potential customers during this pre-presentation period? 2. If so, how successful have they been? Andrea Rossi September 19, 2021 at 3:50 PM Frank Acland: 1. Yes 2. The performance has been as expected Warm Regards, A.R. In my mind this time prior to the official presentation would be an ideal time to do private presentations of the E-Cat SKLed to potential customers who have the capacity to put in bulk orders for the lamps. We know that Rossi has a requirement for a million pre-orders before he will go into manufacturing, and it would be a great success for him if it were possible to reach that target even before the December presentation. If any of these participants in early demonstrations were willing to go on the record and state publicly that the lamp really does perform according to Leonardo Corporation’s specification it would be a very useful endorsement that I believe would help boost orders https://days.to/dec9 OK, so we got the E-cat light in use industrially with hundreds of units for general lighting and < thousand of units for growing lettuce indoors. Somebody should roll up those various numbers to make up a presentation for Reveal Day. We got the generator sized power plant in a year long certification program. Might show some early numbers from that as well. We got 78 days left until show time. Rossi seems to have professionals in charge of this Big Reveal and he is taking more care of his whacked out public image now than he ever has before. Peanut gallery critics are now simply saying that "Nothing has changed" and "We are waiting for another no content puppet show" ........ :P Boosters are saying that first large customers and the manufacturing distributor(s) will be doing most of the talking on reveal day and Rossi will actually speak fairly little by intent. This is good, Rossi is viewed as a known crackpot and does not need to be singing any cute songs and dancing any stupid hand puppets to the E-Cat song. "I Believe in the E-Cat" song needs to be completely unheard during the entire 3 days of the Big Reveal. Rossi's grand kids need to stay seated in the audience. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 09/22/21 at 12:12:45 Rolls Royce Press Release: “Rolls-Royce’s All-electric ‘Spirit of Innovation’ Takes to the Skies for the First Time” The following is a press release from Rolls-Royce. https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/press-releases/2021/15-09-2021-rr-all-electric-spirit-of-innovation-takes-to-the-skies-for-the-first-time.aspx 15 September 2021 We are pleased to announce the completion of the first flight of our all-electric ‘Spirit of Innovation’ aircraft. At 14:56 (BST) the plane took to the skies propelled by its powerful 400kW (500+hp) electric powertrain with the most power-dense battery pack ever assembled for an aircraft. This is another step towards the plane’s world-record attempt and another milestone on the aviation industry’s journey towards decarbonisation. Warren East, CEO, Rolls-Royce, said: “The first flight of the ‘Spirit of Innovation’ is a great achievement for the ACCEL team and Rolls-Royce. We are focused on producing the technology breakthroughs society needs to decarbonise transport across air, land and sea, and capture the economic opportunity of the transition to net zero. This is not only about breaking a world record; the advanced battery and propulsion technology developed for this programme has exciting applications for the Urban Air Mobility market and can help make ‘jet zero’ a reality.” Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng said: “The first flight of Rolls-Royce’s revolutionary Spirit of Innovation aircraft signals a huge step forward in the global transition to cleaner forms of flight. This achievement, and the records we hope will follow, shows the UK remains right at the forefront of aerospace innovation. “By backing projects like this one, the Government is helping to drive forward the boundary pushing technologies that will leverage investment and unlock the cleaner, greener aircraft required to end our contribution to climate change.” The aircraft took off from the UK Ministry of Defence’s Boscombe Down site, which is managed by QinetiQ and flew for approximately 15 minutes. The site has a long heritage of experimental flights and the first flight marks the beginning of an intense flight-testing phase in which we will be collecting valuable performance data on the aircraft’s electrical power and propulsion system. The ACCEL programme, short for ‘Accelerating the Electrification of Flight’ includes key partners YASA, the electric motor and controller manufacturer, and aviation start-up Electroflight. The ACCEL team have continued to innovate while adhering to the UK Government’s social distancing and other health guidelines. Half of the project’s funding is provided by the Aerospace Technology Institute (ATI), in partnership with the Department for Business, Energy & Industrial Strategy and Innovate UK. In the run up to COP26, the ACCEL programme is further evidence of the UK’s position at the forefront of the zero-emission aircraft revolution. “The first flight of the Spirit of Innovation demonstrates how innovative technology can provide solutions to some of the world’s biggest challenges,” said Gary Elliott, CEO, Aerospace Technology Institute. “The ATI is funding projects like ACCEL to help UK develop new capabilities and secure a lead in the technologies that will decarbonise aviation. We congratulate everyone who has worked on the ACCEL project to make the first flight a reality and look forward to the world speed record attempt which will capture the imagination of the public in the year that the UK hosts COP26.” Rolls-Royce is offering our customers a complete electric propulsion system for their platform, whether that is an electric vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL) or commuter aircraft. We will be using the technology from the ACCEL project and applying it to products for these exciting new markets. Rolls-Royce is one of the companies that came in to take a look at E-Cat in this past year. They were part of the crew making "significant progress demands" of Rossi before they would come back. An overnight re-charge on your existing "smaller battery" EV is smiles and miles away from powering this sort of rig. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 10/05/21 at 05:47:14 https://e-catworld.com/2021/10/05/rossi-ecat-sk-heaters-require-complex-series-of-maintenance-issues/ Rossi comes clean about issues with the "heat only SK unit" requiring so much more stuff to be done to it routinely that it has to be tended by a normal industrial maintenance schedule done by a Rossi trained maintenance dept. Individuals would be much better served by an SKL electrical producing machine hooked up to resistance heaters. Here’s an interesting post from Andrea Rossi today. A couple of posters on the Journal of Nuclear Physics had expressed their thoughts about how useful the E-Cat SK heating technology would be in the current environment with natural gas prices reaching record high prices. Rossi had stated that the SK would be developed after the SKLed (lamp) and the SKL (electricity generator), and then later made the following comment. Andrea Rossi October 4, 2021 at 3:23 PM Italo R.: I think you merit a more complete answer than I did earlier: the problem with the SK is that it needs to have an industrial size to be convenient and the domestic size has not been certified, because it needs a complex series of maintenance issues. In few words, it must be industrial and under our direct control, so far. The SKLed and the SKL, which are based on the same platform, are much simpler, as well as their certification, albeit they are much more complex electronically. Besides, it is not true that to make heat with the SKL takes time, because electricity can be turned into heat with almost 100% of efficiency and very easily. This is why now we are focused on the SKL. Warm Regards, A.R. So it appears that there are still technical issues with the SK which require careful monitoring by Leonardo, and it sounds like the AI solutions that have been applied to the SKLed and the SKL have not yet been incorporated with the SK. It would seem at this point that the best bet for E-Cat space heating is going to be via the SKL which apparently performs the miraculous task of generating electricity without drawing power from an external source. If it can provide the power needed to run a regular electric heater then I think most people would be extremely happy with it. The big question is, when will it be available for use? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Serowbot on 10/05/21 at 10:16:06 54777F7D7E77777E691B0 wrote:
Coming any minute since 2017... LENR, it isn't fission and it isn't fusion,... call it CON-FUSION. (emphasis on the Con)... ;D |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 10/06/21 at 07:19:29 ;) Sero fully realizes that he will get a fresh serving of crow when the time comes. He is just betting that it isn't any time soon ....... https://days.to/dec9 http://https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/747168a28b54448e1614cc19b077d59c |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 10/07/21 at 10:30:37 I'm not holding my breath for this revolution either. More efficiency, sure I can see that. Producing more energy than it uses - I still don't see that happening. Too easy to go into hiding, again, because Big Energy called their Assassins off standby, again, to go after Rossi. When there is always this easy of an out, it makes it real convenient to rake in the support until the last minute when you have to provide results then blame the Big Whatever for stopping the Little Guy. Instead of just buying or stealing it like what usually happens. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 10/16/21 at 12:53:53 Well, somebody in Scandinavia has actually invented my den heater Rossi lamp application. This is sort of a work around and it isn't cheap, requiring many Rossi lamps (12). https://e-catworld.com/2021/10/14/the-most-energy-efficient-room-heater-ever-made-calle-h/ Look at it and realize that it meets my bill of raising my den's temperature 4 degrees which is all I use the large electrical floor board unit to do. And, if I read it right, it does this at the electrical running cost of a single incandescent light bulb ...... http://https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3998ae0e6f88753c41f9bc6904c792f1566bb155fae0e4869ca7ebcb81df2173.gif For those who it may interest. A room heater comprising of a 1/4 circular enclosure installed in a corner of a room has twelve E-Cat SKLed lamps arranged in such a way that the lamp photons illuminates the back side of a heat collector made of an Al-sheet. The enclosure extends from floor to roof where the warmed heat collector result in a convective circulation of the room air. The room heater is typically fit for a 10-30 m2 room in a Scandinavian private house. The heater is turned on in October and turned off in April, providing the room with the base winter season heat. The energy source, SKLed lamp Fig. 1, consumes 4 W so that the overall energy consumption is 12 x 4 = 48 W which is less than a conventional 60 W incandescent light bulb. Heat is produced by the lamp’s photons striking a black painted surface on the heat collector back side resulting in 12 x 32 = 384 W heat assuming that the lamp COP is 8. See Fig. 2a and 2b for illustration of the installation. During the 7 month heating period 245 kWh power is consumed while providing 1960 kWh of heat. This beats conventional heat pumps which typically perform at COP 4. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 10/23/21 at 16:01:05 https://e-catworld.com/2021/10/23/rossi-announces-dec-9th-presentation-to-stream-from-leonardo-lab-not-customer-site/ Rossi Announces Dec 9th Presentation to be Streamed from Leonardo Lab, Not Customer Site Posted on October 23, 2021 • 31 Comments Today Andrea Rossi posted the following announcement on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: Andrea Rossi October 23, 2021 at 3:07 AM Dear Readers: I confirm that on December 9th 2021 we will stream the presentation of the SKLed and the SKL. The presentation will be made in a laboratory of Leonardo Corporation, because also the Clients that had previously agreed to allow the presentation in their premises have now changed idea and want no more to be disclosed. The presentation will not be a scientific event, but a commercial presentation of products, dedicated to laymen, not to scientists. Warm Regards, A.R. So there is a change of plan regarding the presentation, which will take away one of the intriguing aspects of the original plan, which was the identity of this Swedish customer. Having a customer publicly identity itself would have been a layer of credibility to the E-Cat, so I think this news will be seen by people following E-Cat news as a disappointment for that reason. Unfortunately it seems that there is a reluctance for almost anyone who wants to maintain a reputation of being respectable to be publicly identified of having connections with Rossi and the E-Cat, I think because of the controversy that seems to have always followed him. Rossi’s claims about his technology are so outside of mainstream, that unless there is absolutely rock solid evidence for them (which we have not yet seen), most people feel safer to steer well clear of any public association with him. We’ll have to see now what kind of information comes out of the presentation, and whether it will be enough to make more people take the E-Cat seriously. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 10/23/21 at 21:19:00 "The presentation will not be a scientific event, but a commercial presentation of products, dedicated to laymen, not to scientists." "We’ll have to see now what kind of information comes out of the presentation, and whether it will be enough to make more people take the E-Cat seriously." Um, no. Do it right, do it like every one else in this field that wants to prove what they say is true. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 10/23/21 at 21:30:32 It is going to be hard to present it right when your "major customer / demonstrator" reverses course away from you a month and a half out from Demo day. When he pulls the venue and the main functional demo site right out from under you that really sucks. I wonder what Rossi did to turn the main customer / demonstrator away from him like this? Or, who is really pulling strings to make the demo collapse like this? This is not the first abrupt change in date -- abrupt major changes in the demo plan coming from this customer / demonstrator, it is the second or third major disruption this one has made. Read the comments below the thread as sometimes information from knowledgeable readers shows up down below. =================================================== https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9SdSVPvUqtpnY6DwUYRG7g Here is Rossi's new channel on YouTube --- I keep saying he is getting professional help with his presentations, so here is further evidence of that. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by jcstokes on 10/24/21 at 12:06:13 This channel has no content. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Serowbot on 10/24/21 at 14:12:57 575E4E495256584E3D0 wrote:
Sounds about right... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 10/24/21 at 22:35:33 "Or, who is really pulling strings to make the demo collapse like this? This is not the first abrupt change in date -- abrupt major changes in the demo plan coming from this customer / demonstrator, it is the second or third major disruption this one has made." I think in any situation if any company of any product for any reason had multiple clients walk off at the last second I would look at the company before I looked for some secret behind the scenes entity. I think Rossi simply gets really close, makes claims, then once he is charged with showing actual results he can't do it so the investor walks. Then, as with any situation like this, Big Energy is to blame. In this one case they won't steal, buy, or join the innovation. Assassination or clandestine sabotage are the only options. Too convenient for me. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by jcstokes on 10/25/21 at 00:45:32 ABB shares peaked a few weeks ago, but have declined somewhat since |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 10/25/21 at 01:53:18 5D544443585C5244370 wrote:
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 10/29/21 at 06:51:49 https://e-catworld.com/2021/10/28/some-e-cat-presentation-expectations/ Some E-Cat Presentation Expectations Posted on October 28, 2021 • Comments by Frank Acland, ECW Admin I have learned some things over the last few days about the December 9th presentation of the E-Cat SKLed and the E-Cat SKL. Andrea Rossi has made comments on the Journal of Nuclear Physics about what will not be happening, e.g. the presentation will not take place at a customer’s site as first planned, and it doesn’t sound like any business partner will be revealed. I have learned about some of what is planned; I can’t say very much about it at this point, but I will say I found some aspects of it quite surprising and interesting, and and actually I am quite excited about it. From what I have heard, I expect this to be the best public presentation that Rossi has done to date, in terms of demonstrating the E-Cat. For one thing, a demonstration of electrical circuits and measuring electricity is a lot more straightforward than one where measuring heat (calorimetry) is involved. I don’t think that the presentation will satisfy everyone, because I have no doubt that whatever is presented, some will say that anything can be done with AI and/or CGI these days. Some will no doubt accuse Rossi, and anyone else involved in the presentation, as being involved in tampering and trickery of one kind or another to show false results. And we all know Rossi, that he is extremely protective of certain things he considers confidential, and you’re not going to change that. He’s not going to reveal the inner secrets of how the E-Cat works. One question will be whether the presentation will be generate enough interest to get the commercial ball rolling. He has set a steep challenge to get 1 million pre-orders of the SKLed before he will actually go into production. I don’t know whether the December 9th presentation will be enough to do that. I think it will depend on a lot of things, and I think there will have to be follow-up after this first event. I hope that Rossi and his team will be willing to do further presentations to interested parties who may be intrigued by what is shown, but who want further verification. Out of the comments comes one set that is worth repeating. GiovanniM to Adam Agycok • 3 hours ago Why would anyone believe that Rossi is lying? If the SKLed product doesn't meet Rossi's specifications he will have committed commercial suicide! These products will be delivered and paid for gradually over a period of time. I am sure that the first people receiving the product will carefully use and test it. They will immediately report the outcome in this website and elsewhere in the web. If all these reports do not meet the specifications they will send the products back and ask for a refund and all other customers will cancel their orders. Rossi would lose a lot of money and his reputation will be in tatters. I think he is an intelligent man with a lot at stake. Also he has intelligent people around him. Including his lady wife. I am sure that Rossi has what he says and wish him good luck. GiovanniM • an hour ago I do hope that any reviews of the product on his website are positive and truthful. If, on the other hand, some engage in a social media effort to kill the product by claiming falsely that the E-Cat either does not work or is a scam, Rossi needs to prepare a counter-strategy. If the E-Cat becomes a target of – okay, I'm going to say it – "cancel culture", then not only could it damage his reputation but that of efforts by others pursuing HME and LENR clean energy technologies. We saw yesterday in the US House Oversight Committee how leaders in the oil industry have spread disinformation about climate change and are still hiding documents detailing their roles. I would not be surprised if member of the industry were to launch a similar campaign against (or even smearing) new carbon-free technologies. Rossi has been very open by posting all comments on his Journal of Nuclear Physics website despite the animosity and skepticism in some of the posts. I hope that he continues to do the same on his Ecat website even if there is a campaign to delay and obstruct adoption of the technology. If that occurs, perhaps we in this forum can provide an impartial analysis of the product to counter any false claims. Rossi has opened himself up to the full range of "whacko screw you over techniques" that Facebook and the others have provided for their own whackos to do cancel culture tricks with. This demo now has potential to be much much worse than the dancing & singing puppets ........ Rossi has customers, if none of them will participate with him then Rossi is pretty much done in my estimation. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 10/29/21 at 08:17:34 "Why would anyone believe that Rossi is lying? If the SKLed product doesn't meet Rossi's specifications he will have committed commercial suicide!" Petroldragon. "If that occurs, perhaps we in this forum can provide an impartial analysis of the product to counter any false claims." Impartial wouldn't be people that already think it will work. As for Rossi's customers, I find it completely possible that there aren't any. Maybe there are groups that are interested and have asked for demonstration/assessment then walk once they don't see claimed results, but this confidential customer thing is getting old. This has amateur hour written all over it. Confidential customer that backs out like all the others, a minimum order number for manufacturing with zero commitment, manufacturer has excuses to not use industry standard or scientific method to prove output, manufacturer has criminal history, manufacturer has multiple failed presentations, manufacturer leadership periodically goes into "hiding". Yeah why would anyone be skeptical? You don't need cancel culture to damage this project, Rossi is either duping people, again, or is running his own operation into the ground by refusing to just prove his claims. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 10/29/21 at 09:37:59 He is certainly removing all reasons to act as a Rossi booster. His own chronicler, Matts Lewan has now distanced himself from Rossi after Rossi cut him off from all information flows. Frank Acland is the only alternative source of "knowledgeable information" now. Rossi is pretty much done as his main distributor / customers are now distancing themselves from Rossi as well. They shut Rossi off from his supporters by insisting that they control all information and then now are acting in ways that are shutting him down more and more. Come Dec 9th, we shall all see, won't we? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by jcstokes on 10/29/21 at 10:52:47 Read somewhere that his chemical engineering qualification came from a "diploma mill". |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Serowbot on 10/29/21 at 12:32:48 If a tree falls in the woods, and there's no one there to hear it,... does it make a sound? :-? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 10/29/21 at 13:33:39 "Read somewhere that his chemical engineering qualification came from a "diploma mill"." Kensington University may have become over time more of a Degree mill than a Diploma mill. There's a lot of debate as to why they were shut down in the later years. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 11/04/21 at 02:46:08 https://e-catworld.com/2021/11/04/rossi-combining-e-cat-skl-and-skled-for-1-million-pre-order-threshold/ Following Andrea Rossi’s statement yesterday about the probability of pre-orders for the E-Cat SKL generators starting in the first quarter of 2022, ECW reader Calle H, on the Journal of Nuclear Physics yesterday made an important point about the affect that this would likely have on pre-orders for the E-Cat SKL Lamp. Calle wrote: “So, there is now competition between the SKL and SKLed. One of the two will probably win as it may not be likely that the SKL and SKLed orders will each exceed 1 million. At least not at the same time.” Andrea Rossi’s reply: Andrea Rossi November 3, 2021 at 12:52 PM Calle H: There is no competition, but integration. Since they have many parts in common, we will deliver also if the million units will be combined. Warm Regards, A.R. I think this makes it easier for the 1 million threshold to be reached, because more options are now available. As I stated yesterday, I believe that the E-Cat SKL will be a more attractive product for a lot of people (depending of course on price and power rating) because it is more versatile. Rossi agrees to combine the million requirements on both E-Cat SKL generator and the little light "Since they have many parts in common." https://e-catworld.com/2021/11/06/maybe-e-cats-dont-need-refuelling/ Maybe E-Cats Don’t Need Refuelling Posted on November 6, 2021 • 38 Comments This Q&A from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today brings up an interesting question about whether the E-Cats consume any fuel at all. Rossi used to ignore this question, now he is answering the questions with minimal information. Wilfried Babelotzky November 6, 2021 at 5:42 AM Dear Andrea, did I understand correctly that, according to the theory, neither SKL nor SKLed need to be refilled, but the durability of the components does not allow unlimited operation? Best regards Wilfried Andrea Rossi November 6, 2021 at 8:39 AM Wilfried Babelotzky: Moreless, yes, Warm Regards, A.R. For many years, Andrea Rossi stated that the early E-Cats would require refueling every six months. Now the Ecat.com website provides this information about the SKLed: “The operational lifetime of the lamp is up to 100,000 hours, meaning about ten years of uninterrupted, continuous use.” Rossi has posted recently that recharging of E-Cats will be done by Leonardo Corporation after an unspecified period of time, but did not explain how that will take place, or what would be involved in recharging. While his comment is vague, Rossi’s response today gives an indication that there is some degradation of materials over time (which is true with any technology) but not actual consumption of fuel that needs to be replaced. Programming changes to start stop the reaction on a very short duration means that EVOs don't dwell at the same place inside the reactor for more than a few microseconds, so structural damage to the electrodes and to the reactor body are minimized to a great degree. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/04/21 at 01:18:52 One week out from electrical generator time. My anticipation is that Rossi will start collecting orders on a TINY sized "stackable" generator that shares a lot of internal parts with the light. Between the light and the generator, you could build up an RV lighting and laptop charging station. The cost would be too high for what the limited utility you get, though. When you do the math you will need quite a few of them stacked up to run your freezer during a power outage, and that kills the basic idea until Rossi has a better geometrically more powerful version up and running. SO, why is Rossi going with this too small to be useful stuff and especially why now? Rossi needs to tie down his status for the history books, as the fore father of "free energy" so to speak. Rossi historically gets "power doubled" every 6 months so I expect he is betting on supplying a more useful and powerful device come ship time. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 12/06/21 at 03:19:02 My anticipation is this will never see the light of day. The million order requirement with nothing more than a pledge is too suspicious to me. I imagine he will toss something up there, people will point out discrepancies and we will go through the whole cycle again where some Big Energy or whatever is engaging in sabotage, or Rossi goes into "hiding" or whatever. If I recall correctly the device(s) will not be certified on the 9th. As predicted. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/06/21 at 10:13:07 https://e-catworld.com/2021/12/01/ecw-status-update-dec-1-2021/ Eegore, Both devices have their CSA industrial based approvals now, these are certifications that can permit the units to be sold direct to individuals on line. Rossi has taken Frank into his both his lab and his production spaces to do all the picture taking and the filming that will be given out inside the web presentation. This is going to be a Frank and Rossi dog and pony show at this stage and it WILL NOT try to go deeply inside the ECat's gut secrets any at all. Frank says: Because of the information embargo prior to the presentation, there is really not a lot more that I can say about it at this point. I will also let people know that I was provided entry to Andrea Rossi’s laboratory only on condition of an NDA, so anything I report has to be approved by him. Having said that, Rossi did not really give me much confidential information. I am no closer to understanding the inner workings of the Ecat than I was before. I will be able to show photos and videos of the E-Cat and the laboratory, he was pretty relaxed about me taking photos and film, however, anything I do publish will have to be pre-approved by him. I don’t expect a lot will be censored since I did not see the guts of the Ecat, just the surrounding apparatus. I have been spending a lot of time pondering on what I have experienced over the last few days. I personally think that there is something huge going on with the Ecat. However, I think it is going to be very hard for most people to accept that what is being demonstrated is real, because it defies so much of what is accepted in science and engineering, and that wall of unbelief is going to be hard to break down. https://e-catworld.com/2021/12/01/ecw-status-update-dec-1-2021/ Rossi firmly expects you will likely disbelieve something that is so outside the realms of your current reality. We will be shown stuff that, according to Frank, that you cannot readily understand and that you will be loath to even believe at first. I suspect that seeing and touching over time will lead to believing for most of us at this stage of things. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 12/06/21 at 15:35:51 We don't need secrets, we need results. People will believe things outside of their reality if standard accepted methods of proof are done, just like every other device that claims it can provide X-output with Y input. Proving you can do something is not equal to proving how. If I have a car that can get 2000 MPG I don't need to reveal how I did that in order for a controlled evaluation to see if that car will drive that distance with one gallon of fuel. Lights and energy reactors can be tested without taking them apart. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/08/21 at 00:45:10 Frank is talking to us at least as he is the one actually putting together the presentation technology. I have decided to post this new thread. I have just one piece of news so far regarding tomorrow’s presentation, which is that the official presentation video will be posted on this new YouTube Channel for Leonardo Corporation: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-q3RyFx45IpxaIL-2xb_0A There is no content there at this point, but the video will go live on this channel at 9:00 am Miami time (US Eastern Time) |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/08/21 at 01:14:43 4565676F7265000 wrote:
Eegore has stated his requirements for belief, I think if Eegore is provided these things he would have more questions fired off in his mind by the minimal information he was given in the presentation. If there isn't much there (content-wise) Eegore and many in the peanut gallery will come up with lists of things they need to know before they will make an order. Rossi is saying he thinks you won't believe until you have a unit you can touch and watch it perform to know it works. Is this his comment on human nature, or jest some Rossi "salesmanship", or mebbe both at the same time? My "minimum information" needed is providing an economical single room 4 degrees bumper heater for my den. I already have the resistance heater, I just need the Rossi power supply unit. :) Amazon sells a 1000 watt gas generator for $200. Harbor Freight sells a 1400 watt model for $449. A Rossi unit would be quieter and could be run inside the house. IF the little Rossi generator is very contained and portable, I could do my outside freezer for a half day every other day, followed by keeping my fridge hooked which would keep my food going in case of a major power outage. I could cook with a small hot plate and a frying pan. At 1200 watts, this would be my biggest single power usage item. 8-) |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/08/21 at 01:27:52 Tomorrow at 9:00 am is show time on the East Coast. I have decided to post this new thread. I have just one piece of news so far regarding tomorrow’s presentation, which is that the official presentation video will be posted on this new YouTube Channel for Leonardo Corporation: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-q3RyFx45IpxaIL-2xb_0A There is no content there at this point, but the video will go live on this channel at 9:00 am Miami time (US Eastern Time) |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 12/08/21 at 05:29:38 "Rossi is saying he thinks you won't believe until you have a unit you can touch and watch it perform to know it works." I would say this is fundamentally untrue as I do not need to drive every car to test it's gas mileage or fly every plane to see if it is airworthy. I doubt most people need to buy and own an item to trust the Certifications associated with it. Certifications and verified testing exist for these reasons. Avoiding international standards as well as all forms of testing then saying you can only believe it if you buy it is scam territory. If I told you I had a car that could drive 2000 miles on one gallon, and also said you could only believe it if you bought one, incidentally the only way I would let you see proof, would you be ok with that? Wouldn't you want to know why I won't let a driver from MotorTrend drive it in a closed course, while I observe? NHTSA can't observe this either. The only way to know is to purchase, and I won't make this car unless 1 million "orders" which are really just pledges because no money or even real names are required. That sounds like a good way to sell millions of these cars? Rossi is dodging having his light tested for a reason and that reason can't possibly be because the light has to be disassembled to test if it produces more energy that what is placed into it. No light requires this. As far as ordering goes I "ordered" 36 lights to be distributed in pairs to various locations for testing if they ever actually get made. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/08/21 at 05:55:50 Good, I have a review source I can trust, one that is appropriately cynical about Rossi's claims but willing to spend the $$$ to try them out. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 12/08/21 at 06:39:25 There's a typo, I have 26 not 36 on order. Either way, I would think this is something he should be doing on his own if he wants more sales. Why wouldn't he? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by jcstokes on 12/08/21 at 09:58:01 $650US? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/08/21 at 12:20:43 7F7666617A7E7066150 wrote:
JC, please tell us exactly what you are referring to with your $650US ....... Is it buying 26 lights at $25 each ???? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 12/08/21 at 14:54:41 I assume that's what he is asking as well as it is the exact amount given there is no statements of tax/shipping/etc. $650 is nothing if these lights actually perform as stated. If this light does what is claimed they should be worth hundreds of dollars each. Just talking to a little league baseball field who converted to LED about 8 years ago, if they could install 10k adjustable lumen lights that burn 4W maximum for 20 years they would retrofit every light at 4 times it's current value as soon as they could. Same goes for a warehouse where they make industrial cooling units. If it performs at the claimed levels they would allocate well over $25 per light to retrofit according to the complex lead electrician and the CFO. So technically if I wanted to I could buy 100 lights for 2,500 and sell them for 10 grand, minus shipping and such. This is not what I am doing, I am just going to ship them to various power labs, Hollywood, a few colleges, and if possible MIT but I hear they already had some guys buy a few. Which is great for Rossi because if you ask me this buy-in is exactly what he wants. $25 is easy to just toss in a box in the garage and say you got scammed. $250 and people will want their money back. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by jcstokes on 12/08/21 at 17:18:42 Of, since Eegore has spent the money, I will sit and watch. Current $US-$$NZ isn't very good, plus possible months of shipping delays due to COVID doesn't help either. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by verslagen1 on 12/08/21 at 17:43:59 since these are self powered, they should be big with mj farmers |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 12/08/21 at 19:31:00 "since these are self powered, they should be big with mj farmers" Exactly. In CO especially since Medical and Recreational marijuana are legal. Some of these facilities run over 20k a month in electrical from what I have been told. I will not provide evidence of this. This light claims to have no UV, and I think marijuana uses but does not require UV lighting. In any case there is more money in lights in this industry than actual lighting companies in CO. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/09/21 at 05:55:36 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-q3RyFx45IpxaIL-2xb_0A There is no content there at this point, but the video will go live on this channel at 9:00 am Miami time (US Eastern Time) =================================================== The E-Cat site has been "hit flooded" by the world coming to visit and it is completely broken down at the moment. The link above goes to a blank "database error" page right now. I will re-post new links when things are back to working properly or when alternate site postings pop up to take over the strain. =================================================== 9:35 am Presentation is up on link above |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/09/21 at 07:04:10 I watched Rossi verbalize a breadboard prototype demo of his very tiny power station. Rossi's English is abysmal at best and his voice is very rough. Shown this level of demo, I (like the folks who visited his labs earlier) would not invest large amounts of money, time or influence in Rossi's work as it is. I like them would say "get back with me when you have a usable salable product." ================================================== Rossi needs to put enough of his little square units in a box with a handle on top of it such that they make a watts comparable unit with the same output as a very small gas generator makes. Then he needs to state the unit life span (in hours) of this generator at whatever rate of power he is going to claim. And put a price on it. Saying your want $249 to power a 100 watt incandescent light bulb simply means that you won't sell anything. To say I am "completely underwhelmed" at this point is a bit of an understatement. =================================================== Lastly, get a native American "talking head" to present your product properly. We cannot understand your broken English. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/09/21 at 10:56:37 One comment said an interesting thing. "Buy one unit, use it to trickle charge a sizable battery for an inverter system then do what you please, just don't plan to do it for long, do it all at once nor to charge all your items at the time." My issue with this is that you would spend a whole day charging the battery then suck out all the energy you saved to just heat up 2-4 cups of coffee water. Too weak for usability really ...... As a pre-charged battery backpack charging system just to keep your cell phone going this use-case would work, but it likely would not be enough to run your college laptop. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by jcstokes on 12/09/21 at 11:12:37 I think there are more than 26 lights on the shelf behind him. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 12/09/21 at 11:23:56 But are there a million? Also this video has subtitles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4_NyyIZq70 |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 12/09/21 at 15:48:08 Ok so I had a sit down and went over this video with 13 other people that work in various fields involving physics/energy/economics. The primary question is why the current going through the load resistor was not measured with an amp meter. According to Bologna documents is this the in-line requirement? Of course the total lack of "proof" due to the fact anyone could have replicated this is a thing, but for the benefit of the doubt I am just sticking to what I consider a really easy, yet missing component. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/10/21 at 11:11:22 Rossi is now catching sporadic grief from about half of the peanut gallery for some these mentioned items. Frank is reacting to try to explain or to protect Rossi, but Mats Lewan is not trying to protect anything but the truth. Mats Lewan and Rossi have apparently had a "intellectual disagreement" over the calculations of light density and thus over the effective power rating of Rossi's light. Matts simply says some of the same stuff that Eegore keeps saying, that Rossi needs to have a respected impartial 3rd party go go over his results and error check and certify them. Matts asked Rossi to do this months ago before pushing these results out into the public view, but Rossi was simply too cautious to go do that. Plus, the reviewing party might actually have a chance to learn too much about how Rossi's stuff actually works and Rossi simply won't have that happen. =================================================== If you count "purchase dollars" as an important part of your world, Rossi's light is a much better deal than his power station. You could shine 5 Rossi lights on to black sheet metal and heat my den up the necessary amount, with the bounce light off the black surfaces then bouncing off the walls and ceiling being enough to light the room up very nicely in addition to mildly heating it. However, if Matts is right, each light isn't 10,000 lumens, but is closer to 5,000-6,000 lumens which is then focused on down by the lens system. Yes, Rossi's lamp is FOCUSED DOWN into a relatively narrow beam, not in a 360o spherical effect like a light bulb does. On the power station side of things, Rossi has apparently grossly overpriced the power station and likely will have to do better later on when he comes out with the next improved versions. He can do this because one set of control hardware can supposedly energize 100 power modules and his improved power units out next year will have like 20 modules or possibly even more to be run off of one controller. The current single module single controller version of the power station is simply too weak to do anything useful and it costs far too much if you buy enough of the existing single module separate units to do anything other than trickle charge a moderate sized battery. Real durability of the lights and the power station are very much in flux and in doubt. Rossi has made reference to 100,000 hours life for the power station which is a factor of 10 more than the 10,000 hours that he claims for the light. Nether claim has been tested beyond being some projections of Rossi's initial lab data. In truth, nobody knows what the life span is for real as prolonged full life testing is required and that takes 10 years time at a minimum. Reminder, none of this is real at the moment ---- it only becomes real when it starts shipping in finished units. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/10/21 at 17:16:27 New information. There is no hard can't get past "inductance load" issues with Rossi power supplies any longer. A battery and an inverter are a part of all AC systems using the Rossi power stations. The battery is always required to cover peak load conditions and to even out the very erratic DC his little units make. Some resistivity based loads can run well off the raw output which is regulated by AI to be a "fairly regular" AC noisy sine wave. Rossi provides a "100 unit capable" controller. You buy simple Rossi power bricks to add up serially to whatever voltage and then add the needed parallel boxes to up the charging current to whatever your battery requires for an appropriate charging current. You always have a battery and an inverter inside all Rossi AC systems. Rossi can theoretically continuously trickle charge a battery powered car. Or a boat or a camper. Rossi quotes 8-10 years for payback on a solar panel based system. He quotes less than two years to get pay back on his Rossi power supply systems. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 12/10/21 at 21:29:00 Matts asked Rossi to do this months ago before pushing these results out into the public view, but Rossi was simply too cautious to go do that. Plus, the reviewing party might actually have a chance to learn too much about how Rossi's stuff actually works and Rossi simply won't have that happen. I don't believe this is the case. I think his products do not do what he says which is why there are all the setbacks. There are many ways to have products independently tested without tampering with the device that this is not even remotely an issue. Tons and tons of products are tested without tearing them apart exposing them for reverse engineering, this is just plain nonsense. Independent testing will not reveal secrets, Rossi can observe, just not control any of the device, this paranoia and secrecy thing is more likely a ploy. I mean is it more probable that Rossi keeps making promises he can't keep and that's why no partner ever backs the product. Or that Rossi nor any investor or partner can not find a single way to test a product and maintain that product's integrity? If someone promised you a lawn mower that would cut your grass once a week for 2 years on a single AA battery, and showed you video after video of it Not doing that, but had demo after demo of it turning on, would you be sitting on your front porch waiting for that lawn mower to show up a decade later? How long will secrecy, Big Energy assassins, ego, paranoia etc. be the reason this stuff has no verifiable information that it performs as stated, versus the idea that maybe his product just can't do what he says it can? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/11/21 at 10:37:03 We can both agree that Rossi will never hit his million pre-orders based off his existing product offerings. He is too egotistical to cooperate with any knowledgeable marketing firm he might have the good sense to hire. Rossi is done for this upcoming year, in other words Mebbe next year too ....... ::) |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 12/11/21 at 12:54:21 "He is too egotistical to cooperate with any knowledgeable marketing firm he might have the good sense to hire." This is where I disagree. I think his device does not perform as he indicates and therefore can not work with anyone. He doesn't need a marketing firm, he could use independent crowdfunding. For me it is the culmination of multiple things, like lack of tests, pledge based ordering, secret partners, etc. etc. that leads me to this conclusion, not just his ego. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by badwolf on 12/14/21 at 11:23:36 Fusion ? https://slate.com/technology/2021/12/nuclear-fusion-climate-change-theranos.html Easier said than done. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 12/14/21 at 13:14:27 Good article, it sums up a lot of my thoughts as well. "That is, it’s easier to set up a nuclear magnetic bottle and mimic the inner workings of the sun than it is to throw a rock into a raging fire." This is a good point as well: That’s the one real, concrete success of the fusion startups that you can point to: not extracting energy from seawater, but extracting money from speculators. At least Rossi isn't in the hundreds of thousands of dollars of crowdfunding with no results department. I doubt it is due to some moral high road but who knows. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/14/21 at 21:11:14 https://e-catworld.com/2021/12/14/andrea-rossi-withdraws-the-ecat-skled-lamp-leonardo-corporation-will-proceed-only-with-the-ecat-sklep/ Andrea Rossi December 14, 2021 at 6:43 PM DEAR READERS: IMPORTANT COMMUNICATION After the presentation of December 9th 2021 we have received almost 100,000 orders for the Ecat SKLep ( electricity generator ), while most of the orders we had precedently for the Ecat SKLed ( lamp ) have been cancelled and turned into orders of the SKLep. While the orders for the SKLep are constantly increasing, the arrival of new orders for the SKLed is almost reduced to zero. The market spoke clearly, and we must take advice of the fact that the numbers of the SKLed will never reach a quantity of units ordered that will allow a mass production, therefore the price of it would be unsustainable from the buyers. As a consequence of this fact the Ecat SKLed has been put out of our production program. All the Readers that have still pending orders for the Ecat SKLed must consider it cancelled. If the decide to buy an Ecat SKLep instead, they will conderve their number in the list of priority for the deliveries. Leonardo Corporation will proceed only with the Ecat SKLep. Thank uou for your attention, a real privilege to us, Warm Regards, Dr Andrea Rossi, CEO of Leonardo Corporation DEAR READERS, I WANT TO ADD WHAT FOLLOWS: all the Skleds that have been pre-ordered are automatically cancelled. If you want to replace your SKLed order with a SKLep order, please place a new order at https://www.ecatorders.com If you have further questions about ordering, please contact: info@ecatorders.com Warm Regards, Dr Andrea Rossi, CEO of Leonardo Corporation Rossi is past 100,000 orders now on the little electric generator. Most of the light orders have been converted to generator orders by customer request. People want a more powerful generator unit and Rossi intends to provide you one. Pending this, Rossi now completely drops the little light product completely. Likely when a more powerful generator is finally announced, he will likely do the same conversion-over-to-the-new-unit trick yet again. He is responding to questions concerning a potential 200 watt model and a potential 500 watt model based off the same technology but at a higher voltage and charging current rating. ;D Hey Rossi ...... make one big enough to trickle charge an EV car, how about it? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 12/14/21 at 21:51:36 I don't think a ton of people just changed their order from a light(s) to SKLep based on that video. Especially given the significant cost difference. This doesn't add up. If I were trying to convince people to buy another product of mine when one of my products is obviously not going to work, or can't be made - this is exactly what I would say. Either way since it costs me nothing but a few words typed in a menu I went ahead and ordered some. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/15/21 at 03:46:12 I think enough people publicly disagreed with Rossi's lux to lumens nonsense to the point he actually re-checked his figures ------ and Rossi finally got convinced by Matts and others that he was the one who was off base ------ and so Rossi dropped the little light cold before any units were production built and shipped out en mass. You remarked earlier that Rossi avoids taking anybody's money unless it is for something that is both tangible and real. You also note that Rossi keeps good records of any "future committed money" that are made by the peanut gallery or by him. Petroldragon taught Rossi a real life lesson or two about that sort of "promises, promises" that he had made way back at the very beginning. Rossi now actively avoids any "promises, promises" situations that could send him to jail. People ask how many generator units are inside the blue plastic stack up of his 100 watt power supply and why it costs 4x more to buy than the light. Likely answer is 4 separate Rossi generator units, each running 90o out of phase to the one before it thus offering a lumpy but relatively real 100 watt DC charging current, one that a battery would take in and accumulate into a true DC battery power supply current that a good inverter system could then make into a stable, regulated AC power supply. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/21/21 at 08:25:23 https://e-catworld.com/2021/12/18/from-an-observer-at-the-ecat-presentation/ Frank puts out a summary of his involvement in Rossi's presentation and the activities since then that is reflected in the light of what Frank knows (and Rossi agrees that can be told at this stage of things). There is a lot of new stuff in here, this new summary is worth reading for the various confirmations and new items that it broaches. Rossi has now committed his funds and efforts all focused into the little generator family of products. Rossi gave Frank a copy of the certification package he had bought on the little light, simply saying the little light's tech was the same tech as what was in the little generator. Rossi has totally dumped off a considerable amount of effort and investment that he had made in the little light ----- simply saying that customer demand was for the power supply, not for the light. This begs a BIG question, Unit Life Span is still unknown ....... ::) Rossi has pegged the little generator's life at 100,000 hours of life (11.4 years) vs just 10,000 hours life for the little light. Is this real or is it just another Rossi "development data approximation"? Is one of them a typo or are both items just wild arsed swag guesses at this stage of things? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by verslagen1 on 12/21/21 at 09:20:36 It can be a duty cycle thing. A light maybe used 12 hours a day, every day. Whereas a generator maybe used several times a year for a length of time. So 50% vs 10% I'd grab a cert for a gas powered generator and see how it's rated. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/22/21 at 13:02:10 It might be a duty cycle thing, it might also might be a "Heck, I can claim whatever I want since I will never actually make that version anyway" sort of thing. Rossi is facing a "crisis of belief" right now as even Mats Lewan is obviously no longer a total Rossi Believer. I personally am no longer a "Rossi as a supplier" Believer as his ever changing business models make no sense to me. Somebody will crack the code and publish the secret sauce eventually. I expect to be dead of old age long before then with Rossi preceding me. ================================================== https://e-catworld.com/2021/12/20/ecat-qas-completed/ Verslagen, Rossi clarified quite a bit on the 100,000 hours of unit life --- amazingly that is constant use hours with any intermittent duty use factor that you calculate being added on top of these 100,000 total hours to make them even larger. He sees no penalty for starting or stopping the unit, with it stopping or starting easily in a second or so. 100,000 hours at 100% utilization (most generator uses reflect a 10% utilization figure) so this means potentially a full lifetime of 10% duty cycle generator type usage. Rossi has high expectations of 100,000 hour unit life span, but he only guarantees his sealed blue box system with a replacement warranty for 3 years, so you can go figure what he really has for his unit life span after his units begin to need replacing. It smells like he is perhaps expecting one of the electronic components in his blue box to crap out eventually, so he bases his warranty on those electronic components failing on a somewhat generally known electronic service life curve. He mentions no fuel that is going to be used up per se, so his blue box itself slowly degrading may be his total unit life. Or his electronics will fail in use eventually (all electronics eventually do) so he always replaces the electronics complete when plugging in a new blue box unit. One of the use cases he mentions is a power wall sized battery with an output inverter to get 120 and 240 volt AC wall socket power at heavier amp outputs for some intermittent home power uses. I think he is talking about some future unit with a higher output, though. I would think he could possibly trickle charge an EV car (in slow trickle charging mode) as that would certainly be possible, but not running one directly as the tiny watts output of any future blue box unit isn't nearly high enough to move a car. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/30/21 at 17:14:13 http://https://e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/IMG_0681-768x1024.jpg Rossi finally explains the relatively high cost of his little power supply --- the price includes a "100 unit capable" controller box. He has not explained the extended pricing for multiple power supplies running off the same controller box, nor has he explained the battery/inverter system costs. Rossi pre-order counts are up to "approaching Ok, we are getting 100,000 pre-orders per week, roughly. At this rate Rossi will have to put up or shut up inside ::) |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 01/08/22 at 15:36:22 https://e-catworld.com/2022/01/07/rossi-our-customers-are-mostly-big-buyers-that-will-resell-the-ecats/ Rossi: “Our Customers are mostly big buyers that will resell the Ecats.” Posted on January 7, 2022 • 30 Comments Lots of questions have come up in recent days from readers who are surprised at the numbers of Ecat pre-orders that Andrea Rossi is reporting; at last report it was over 600,000. Yet, looking at the view count for the Ecat presentation video (https://youtu.be/Kx54nYgKfNg), we see that today the SKLep demo video has less than 3,000 views and 60 likes. Who is ordering Ecats in such quantities? Today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, Andrea Rossi stated that the ‘lion’s part’ of the orders placed have come from ‘big buyers’, and subsequently he went on to say this: Andrea Rossi January 7, 2022 at 7:21 PM Giuseppe: Our Customers are mostly big buyers that will resell the Ecats. Warm Regards, A.R. From this comment it would seem that there are some businesses are seeing selling Ecats as a business opportunity. If it works as described, it will be an attractive product for many persons. Certainly there is an initial upfront cost involved, but once the system is paid for, if the Ecat performs as Leonardo theorises (100,000 hours) you could have almost free electricity for a very long time. Think of the solar panel industry. There are thousands of companies around the world that sell solar panels, install solar systems, and maintain and repair them. This is a model that could be followed with Ecats. Early buyers of large quantities of Ecats might be able to make deals with Leonardo to get Ecats at a discount and resell them for a profit. Or some might specialize in building Ecat power plants and sell or lease them to customers. I am sure there are many creative ways to approach Ecat business. These are extremely early days. So far mass production has not even started, but you can be sure that there are enterprising individuals and businesses who will be looking at the Ecat product and seeing the potential for providing useful services and making money. I think these large resellers will be the first ones to repackage the Rossi units into "application type packages", with wiring and gauging needed for the application. Need a constant low wattage trickle charger for your new EV car? One of these guys can perhaps provide what you need ....... Rossi is the only one that can provide the blue boxes, but by setting it up as a distributed sales system with many system integrator companies he can get into more low power niches that much quicker. ::) 100 watts is not enough output power to be very useful for anything but the very lightest uses --- Rossi needs to provide a more powerful model to really get into the swing of things. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 01/11/22 at 17:23:53 https://e-catworld.com/2022/01/11/leonardo-taking-orders-for-1-mw-ecat-power-plants/ On the Ecatorders.com and ecat.com websites, Leonardo Corporation is now offering 1MegaWatt pre-built electricity generating power plants. https://ecatorders.com/pre-order-ecat-sklep-plants/ Here is the description: It is possible now to order pre-built electricity generating Ecat SKLep Plants from Leonardo Corporation. These plants are configured by Leonardo Corp. and are shipped as a completed plant, ready to operate when installed at the customer’s site. This eliminates the need for the customer to build their own large plants by configuring many individual Ecat SKLep units. A 1 MW plant will be delivered in a half standard size (20 feet) shipping container. A 2 MW plant will be delivered in a full size (40 feet) standard shipping container, Higher capacity plants will be delivered in multiples of these containers. The minimum size Ecat SKLep Plant that can be ordered is 1 MW. The cost is $2500000 ($2.5 million) per MW (excluding shipping and taxes) The cost per Watt ($250) for these prebuilt plants is almost the same as for the individual Ecat SKLep units, but an advantage here is that the customer does not have to build the plants. They come in their own containers, and ready to go. It does seem like there will be some customer configuration required if inverters are used. This would be a product that would be most suitable for commercial customers. If they work well, I could see them being attractive to businesses of all kinds. They would be green (no emissions), and have the advantages of being an alternative energy source without the requirement of a large amount of space, and being dependent upon ideal weather conditions. Of course there is the upfront investment of at least $2.5 million to consider, but I think there will be customers willing to take the risk to make that investment for the potential long-term benefits. It will be interesting to see whether this turns out to be a more attractive product than the individual SKLeps. I said Rossi would start offering bigger units. Uncle Sam (Darpa) wanted this half-container size of product to support various functions during military deployments and during disaster relief efforts here in the USA. A 1 MW plant will be delivered in a half standard size (20 feet) shipping container. A 2 MW plant will be delivered in a full size (40 feet) standard shipping container. Note that the one megawatt plant goes into "an air drop sized half of a container", exactly half the size that the old E-cat unit used to take. AND NOTE ...... it is direct supply of AC electrical power, not just providing high pressure steam like the old unit gave you. ;) 2-3 of these get ordered and Rossi will simply state the first production facility is up and running now ...... and he will stop reporting on his Million unit goal as he will be well past that at that point in time. Rossi says he will do no more demos and make no more lab reports either, this does not mean he will not ship some Rossi units to some various individual people who will then willingly report on their running results publicly. Rossi will start selling assembled finished units of various sizes intended to meet specific customer needs, possibly later this year. We are being told that Leonardo the research arm is now different than the E-Cat the production arm, perhaps both in ownership as well as in name. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 01/16/22 at 14:50:14 https://e-catworld.com/2022/01/16/brilliant-light-power-updated-business-presentation/ Thanks to an ECW reader for sending me a link to a slideshow showing an updated business presentation (January 2022) by Brilliant Light Power https://brilliantlightpower.com/pdf/Business_Presentation.pdf There is a lot of information in the presentation about the market that BLP is targeting, which is basically the whole of the energy sector. They emphasize that the opportunities are vast. BLP is planning to provide both electricity generation (Power SunCell) and heat products (Thermal SunCell). They want to operate in the transportation, heating, electricity generation, desalination markets in all kinds of applicatio Here are a few points that stand out to me from the presentation: About Brilliant Light Power • The proprietary SunCell® has been validated by experts at an excess power scale of 300 kW producing blackbody radiation and continuously producing steam. • We are running internal optical and thermal trials at a scale of 100-250 kW continuous power production and an extraordinary power density of up to 5MW/liter Catalytic Reaction of Atomic Hydrogen to Hydrino® • Atomic hydrogen reacts with an energy acceptor called a catalyst wherein energy is transferred from atomic hydrogen to the catalyst which forms an ion due to accepting the energy • Then, the negative electron drops to a lower shell closer to the positive proton to form a smaller hydrogen atom called a “hydrino” releasingenergy that ultimately is in the form of heat • The catalyst ion regains its lost electrons to reform the catalyst for another cycle with the release of the initial energy accepted from hydrogen. With the imposition of an arc current condition, the limiting space charge of the ionized electrons is eliminated and the rate becomes massively high Brilliant Light Power’s Path Forward • We are pursuing commercial thermal and electrical power sources for essentially all power markets at the modular scale of 100-250 kW. BLP say their path forward is to: • Prove our power source to the world in the near term through power field trials, identification of the Hydrino® products of the reaction, and engineered power systems. • Engineer products • Commercialize solutions Rossi has poked his competitors in the nose by selling 1 and 2 megawatt units that provide electrical power directly from the Rossi E-cat reaction. The best Mills can provide right now is 300 kw of light and steam heat energy, something that is not very useful compared to Rossi's output of 1 megawatt of battery charging direct electrical current (which can be inverted into AC output formats as well as be accumulated and stored in large battery arrays while still in the DC format). Mills can only power up steam level mechanical technologies right now, or run a steam AC generator system ....... Mills' promised "photoelectric conversion" is way too iffy on photoelectric durability as the current Mills intense light output quickly kills the current available photoelectric cells very quickly as the light is simply too intense. Plus Mills reactors also like to melt themselves down spontaneously inside of minutes to hours of use time. Mills makes a single huge intense single power cell that likes to melt itself down spontaneously, vs Rossi who makes many many little tiny very portable very durable low output reactors that last for 10 years (current projections). Mills spends most of his presentation trying to secure his Hydrino theories, spending much time saying his Hydrinos are the dark matter scientists cannot find in nature (astrophysics scientists say "Bullshite" on this topic). Rossi spends zero time on such matters, saying that his rapid commercialization is the only proof that counts right now. Rossi appears to be 3-5 years ahead of Mills at this time. If Rossi continues to move at this pace, he will be well into his first wave of implementation before Mills can even get started. Not being started by then will tend to mean "never gets started" as Mills requires a large flow of capital $$$ just to exist, much less to move forward. Rossi will be self funding from actual sales of units once his mass production begins. By offering up 1 and 2 megawatt container units for sale right now, today, Rossi has cut Mills off at the knees on his future funding, at least as far as getting any new investors might go. Rossi's next milestone is a reasonably sized Rossi unit constantly charging a "reasonable sized" battery in a EV car, yielding functionally unlimited mileage .......... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 01/19/22 at 13:53:44 something that is not very useful compared to Rossi's output of 1 megawatt of battery charging direct electrical current (which can be inverted into AC output formats as well as be accumulated and stored in large battery arrays while still in the DC format). Unfortunately no verifiable demonstration or testing of this exists. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 01/19/22 at 18:22:47 Many printer ribbons worth of theoretical comparisons take place every year on things that do not really exist nor are they even readily comparable to each other if they actually did make it to reality. In computer processor testing, many processors do not yield the advertised or expected results once direct independent same same comparisons are made after they are physically built and sold. Rossi may never actually make a 1 meg unit for a commercial user. Then again, since he is getting orders for them now he may well eventually do so. But you are right, not right now anyway. He has made a 1 meg unit previously for the US military (an old steam producer, not an electrical output unit). It was deemed"unsuitable" to military needs and was returned to Leonardo. This same unit was reworked and improved to become the Doral container unit for the year long Industrial Heat Doral Florida test. Because the state of Rossi's art had advanced over the several years the newer better cores installed in the front of the 40 foot container were half the effective volume of the old cores with double the output of steam. So, in short you are correct in your comments. Reality is not here yet. But, historically speaking "Rossi reality" will likely be better than expected when it does actually get here. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 01/20/22 at 06:33:16 "This same unit was reworked and improved to become the Doral container unit for the year long Industrial Heat Doral Florida test." Unless I am mistaken this also didn't even come close to performing as claimed. I for one thought the images of the piping going to the external wall, but no external fans or piping were outside the building were interesting. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 01/20/22 at 07:59:31 You are mistaken, as Doral did meet and exceed the contractual output specs and COP requirements of the Doral test. Whupped the dickens out of the Doral test requirements, actually ----- but the requirements had been based upon previous generations of E-Cats and the test actually encompassed two newer generations of Rossi powder based reactors. By the Doral test requirements, Rossi was to run up to 24 reactors during the test with 2 being held in reserve for maintenance activities. He was to get an ongoing COP of two on a monthly average. He had 12 old reactors and 8 new reactors plumbed up available at the same time inside the 40 foot container. He actually ran the test using only the new ones and only ran up a couple of the older reactors ever (once or twice) when he was taking whole sets of the new ones off line to do repair / refine work on them. He did this to keep his "steam output at rate" days up instead of using any of his limited down days. Rossi found that he could meet COP = 2 at contracted steam output levels just using just 4 new reactors, his normal running COP was 8-10 when using all 8 new reactors at relatively lower output levels per unit, and when he was running his extended SSM tests he hit COP = 30 plus ongoing with several spikes going over COP = 80. Rossi never dropped below COP = 3 on a weekly average even when doing set based maintenance and he always met his steam amount, pressure and temperature requirements. Did Rossi sandbag the Doral test? Heck yes he sandbagged the hell out of it, he always holds back information and he always exceeds his test expectations. He never tells you what he is currently working on. He has never and will never share the entirety of the secret sauce with anyone. The Doral test was very clearly a contractual success and Industrial Heat was busy losing the court case on all points when they finally settled with Rossi just days before the final verdict was to be rendered by the jury. Rossi got back all his IP and trade secrets, all his reactor units, all the reactor units built by Industrial Heat and all the various test rigs that were built up by Industrial Heat or their various consortium members. Industrial Heat and the Industrial Heat Consortium members were banned from trying to sell or to use any of the IP they had stuck in their heads. Rossi also got an undisclosed amount of money in addition to the 10 million that we know he got early on in the relationship. Rossi also learned that powder based reactors slowly ate themselves up structurally due to EVO formation, so yes in that sense the Doral test told Rossi he can't make his big powder reactors work in the long term in larger sized reactors. Rossi wanted all the reactors back for tear down analysis, plus he carefully saved all of the old powder inside them (a seed of old used powder is used inside a brand new powder reactor to aid with the startup of the new reactor). Equipped with the new knowledge gained from Doral, Rossi switched his efforts over to small plasma based reactors and that is what we are seeing all the progress fruit from today. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 01/20/22 at 12:50:23 I imagine the settling out of court came from both sides given what limited information is available on that particular settlement. The phase one proof of concept is what I understand you to be talking about. The phase 2 stuff, for "350 out of 400 days" was never achieved and Rossi tried to alter the contract to move everything to Miami. The customer he claimed would benefit from this didn't even exist. To me, after looking over Rossi's notes on the Smith analysis I would say that the allowing of this report to be in the trial caused some issue as their attempt to omit it as evidence failed. [b]Plaintiffs may attack the conclusions of the Smith Report and Supplemental Report, but they must do so through cross-examination and the presentation of contrary evidence at trial instead of exclusion of testimony for failing to satisfy Daubert.[/b] This had to have some impact on the judicial debate between IH (Darden) and Rossi. Given Rossi's responses to the Smith report would anyone want to cross-examine with that information? I'm not sure it could be composed in a way that would be useable. Rossi supporters will say Rossi was beating them in court, IH supporters will say IH was beating Rossi. All of this could have been avoided if they both had used known proper verifiable procedures. But now instead we have Rossi saying he exceeded the goals and IH claiming he manipulated the results. In my opinion they are both to blame for not following true physics verification protocols. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 01/20/22 at 13:27:29 Doral is totally water over the dam now, and that suits me fine. Saying that Doral failed isn't right, although the lasting knowledge from Doral is that powder based reactors simply do not work much beyond a year due to the electrodes and the vessel walls becoming corrupted by EVO transformation effects. Rossi learned how to build an AI system to monitor things in an ongoing fashion from Doral. ........ also Rossi also pointedly learned not to spend hours & hours & hours looking at the E-Cat reaction through a welding mask or through welding goggles ----- his face and neck and voice have never recovered from the prolonged intense UV light exposure, nor has his hair & scalp ever really come back. Please also remember there was constant ongoing day by day independent verification of the Doral test output numbers Darden's boys never successfully repudiated any part of the ongoing independent verification of the Doral test numbers in court in any meaningful fashion. ================================================== Rossi just announced 700,000 pre-orders. His butt must be puckering up really tight as he is closer to put up or shut up than he has ever been before. If he ships working units he will be exposing how they actually work very publicly, and if he cannot bring himself to do this then Rossi is fully capable of doing an instant reversal on his announced roll out plan and going back into his hole. He did it with the little light after all, and Rossi just absorbed the costs associated with this reversal. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 01/22/22 at 00:48:08 5070727A6770150 wrote:
https://e-catworld.com/2017/11/06/rossi-1-mw-plant-in-doral-test-not-ready-to-be-a-product/ ROSSI DID EXPLAIN IN NOVEMBER 2017 WHY HE CONSIDERED THE DORAL SYSTEM TO BE UNUSABLE AND UNSALABLE It also explains why in the end he was willing to settle with Industrial Heat as, after consideration, Rossi knew he was not going to pursue the large powder based reactors any further. I thought this was a rather interesting Q&A from the Journal of Nuclear Physics from November 3: Gabriel berra November 3, 2017 at 5:59 PM The results of the 1 year 1 MW test seem impressive ! I appreciate that you think the QX will me much better but with COP of about 80 it would appear that the original ECat set up was good enough to be attractive and marketable. All the best Andrea Rossi November 3, 2017 at 10:08 PM Gabriel Berra: No, because to get that result I had to live 352 days inside it 16 hours per day, from 6 P.M. to 10 A.M of the following day, and two other persons, one engineer and one electrician, had to cover from 10 A.M. to 6 P.M., not to mention when I had to stay for 20 hours and the others of the Team had to reach me in the middle of the night for problems . It was a prototype, not a product, but the experience we made with it has generated the QX. We had strong problems and probably, from what we analyzed after the stop from all the components, it was close to die in short time after the end of the test. It was not ready to be a product, but it was a dam good prototype, by means of which an enormous experience has been made. Warm Regards, A.R. As most of us can recall, soon after the test was over, Rossi filed his lawsuit against Industrial Heat, and the plant was soon padlocked by both Rossi and IH. Once the settlement was agreed upon, Rossi got access to the plant again, and started to do a post mortem, taking it apart and examining it closely. From the sounds of it, the plant was not in very good shape. Rossi seems to be saying here that in order to make it through the year-long test the plant required constant attention and frequent intervention, and despite the reported COP which averaged around 80, he doesn’t consider it suitable for industrial use. It sounds like all attention was now being turned to the E-Cat QX (which Rossi had began development on during the 1-year Doral test) and we will probably never see AR build another plant like the one used in Doral ever. So, Rossi quit after 352 days as 1) he had met the 350 day contractual requirement 2) at least one of his reactors was getting irregular sorts of "end of life" symptoms and Rossi wanted to do a tear down on it to see what was causing the symptoms and 3) Rossi wanted to get out of the container very very badly as he was suffering from UV radiation burns on his face, neck and scalp. Rossi was in no mood to go for the full 400 days when he needed to get some surgery and medical care as badly as he did by that point in time. =================================================== AND YES, Rossi really is taking orders for 1 megawatt DC electrical only plants right now. https://ecatorders.com/pre-order-ecat-sklep-plants/ |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 01/22/22 at 14:30:27 Yeah I understand Rossi is stating he achieved 352 days, however IH states he did not. Also the ultimate end deal as I understand was to provide a useable unit, not a test structure where he had to be altering components every day. Maybe not in the phase 2 though. At the end of the day they both set this up so they would end up where they did. A true independent output analysis would have resolved this and they didn't do it. I'm interested in who would pay over 2 million for an untested electrical plant. If he actually had proof of this level of output he should have sales all over the place. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 01/22/22 at 20:36:47 Rossi probably could build these units today, with smaller reactors using his fully developed AI management techniques (so Rossi wouldn't have to stay in the container 16 hours a day just to keep it going) and still make some steam power that way. Results would likely still say his smaller powder reactors would still eat themselves up in about a year or so as Rossi's next generation, the QX generation reactors also wound up doing ....... Rossi now brings up the point that you could just use his more durable plasma based electrical output unit and a resistance heater much easier than running steam through a turbine or using an old cast iron radiator system ........ Darden signed up with Rossi to develop E-Cat power. Darden specifically wanted and bought into the large reactor models that didn't prove out very well, and Rossi couldn't sell him stuff that Rossi hadn't even invented yet. Darden got hung out to dry by his own greed, and then Darden went and sold the stuff to Woodford even then knowing all the issues and that the Rossi relationship had gone completely south. Darden should go to jail for that one ...... What really pissed Rossi off was when Darden then turned around and then attempted to sell Rossi's core IP ideas to his outlying Consortium members and then to Russia and to China, something Rossi specifically told him was off the table from the very beginning, so Rossi shut him down like Rossi does to an errant distributor. Sued his arse and took all the IP away from him. You now understand why Rossi has no controlling business partners and doesn't want any ........ |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 01/22/22 at 21:24:19 I am not fully aware of the Darden attempts at sales, I heard about it, but never saw any actual information one could examine. Rossi doesn't need any controlling business partners, he needs independent verification. No other company has ever needed to give away IP or secrets etc. to get this done. The inability to test product without giving away critical information is unique to Rossi. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 01/25/22 at 09:50:44 https://e-catworld.com/2022/01/25/rossis-focus-manufacturing-organization/ Rossi’s Focus: Manufacturing Organization Posted on January 25, 2022 • 5 Comments I have been wondering a great deal about what Andrea Rossi is up to these days. I asked him what he is focusing on nowadays: Frank Acland January 24, 2022 at 8:35 PM Dear Andrea, In this period, what are you mostly focusing on in your work? Andrea Rossi January 25, 2022 at 4:36 AM Frank Acland: Manufacturing organization, Warm Regards, A.R. I think this answer tells us a lot. The presentation is done, and it seems like he is not doing further R&D on the Ecat SKLep, except for some aesthetic changes. Now he has to make the products and deliver them, this is the only way his goal of making an impact on the world will be achieved. The only way that this Ecat story will be resolved is through the actual production and delivery of Ecat SKLep units. Until that happens, it is mainly an intellectual exercise to try and understand how the Ecat works, or explain why it doesn’t work. I think that those who are placing orders are assuming that it does work, but are making that assumption based on faith, rather than having proof. Maybe they figure that the evidence is strong enough for them to place the order, however, if Leonardo never delivers then they have lost nothing except perhaps time and mental energy. If Leonardo does deliver, and the Ecats don’t work, they figure they can get their money back, or working replacements. If it does work, and they actually receive working Ecats, and start using them, then they can start to receive the benefits of them. As I understand it, that orders will be shipped in order of priority, so the first orders placed will be the first orders shipped. This is another reason to place early orders, because if the Ecat got really popular it could take a longer time to have orders filled. Rossi says he is busy arranging for manufacturing. We have read a few snippets that he has a production partner, but there are no real details to be had beyond Leonardo Development is a different company than Leonardo Production (and may have different owners). I suspect early production will actually begin when the first assembly line is finished. He certainly started on building the little light in advance of the formal "go" announcement, now didn't he? Rossi's long stated plan is to MASSIVELY supply his units at a price that a copy cat cannot match, while his legal arm busily sues the shite out of any copy cats that arise in the mean time. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 01/31/22 at 14:34:35 https://e-catworld.com/2022/01/31/rossi-no-more-secrets-will-exist-following-ecat-sklep-launch/ Andrea Rossi replied: Andrea Rossi January 30, 2022 at 2:28 PM Dan Galburt: Thank you for your usual intelligent comment. Here is the core issue: When we will start the distribution of the Ecat SKLeps the reverse engineering will start immediately and no more secrets will exist. Only, at that point we will have the strength to compete. Warm Regards, A.R. Rossi’s position expressed here is one he has held for many years now. He wants to be in a position where he can mass produce his products at a price that would discourage would-be competitors to try and replicate. My guess is that he will already be planning for product and manufacturing improvements following the delivery of the first round of SKLeps, possibly getting the costs lower than it is. If the SKLep is shown to work, I think he is absolutely right that competitors will reverse engineer, then it will be seen if he can maintain a competitive advantage, Rossi never releases his best, most current tech, he always holds back an entire generation or two of progress so that he can trot it out only when it is needed. Rossi will fight his initial war with the copy cats using the little generator that Rossi has already shown us. Then if Rossi loses in any part of that fight he will regroup around a new wave of technology using his unknown, unreleased new improved products --- ones that you will never get a hint of until Rossi deems it time to show it. Rossi battled with Industrial Heat knowing full well he had a better reactor that he had not yet publicized. And beyond that one (the QX) he had the current generation of gas plasma SKL about half developed. This is the same way he has always operated. His current work in progress is always totally secret. Note to resellers and distributors: do EXACTLY what Rossi tells you to do, or get dumped. Simple as that. Do no more that he says you can do at that stage of the distribution effort. Note to customers ---- don't attempt to modify the devices as they will simply quit working. Progress with Rossi devices will come in waves, each wave progressing beyond the last one while remaining desirable to the purchasing public. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 02/05/22 at 06:28:41 https://e-catworld.com/2022/02/05/rossi-close-to-800k-pre-orders/ here has been an update from Andrea Rossi on the Journal of Nuclear Physics regarding the number of pre-orders for the Ecat SKL: Giusy February 4, 2022 at 3:16 PM Dear Dr Andrea Rossi: Can we be sure that the ecat SKLep will begin to be distributed in 2022 ? Andrea Rossi February 4, 2022 at 5:26 PM Giusy: Thank you for your attention to the work of our Team. I think we will start the distribution this year. We are close to 800000 units pre-ordered. Warm Regards, A.R. The last update regarding the number of pre-orders was on January 22, when he reported 700000 had been reached, and he had remarked earlier that there were about 1000 separate orders, with the volume being made mainly bey ‘big buyers’. It would only take a few more big buys to hit the 1 million mark. There’s not going to be much progress in the Ecat story until the Ecats get into the hands of customers. For that to happen, the orders target needs to be reached, and then the manufacturing and distribution needs to be ready. If this can happen this year, I think it will be an impressive achievement. ================================================== Another chicklet of progress ....... Rossi was at 90-10% split between heat and electricity for the last several years, then he released some claims 6-8 months ago that calculated back to a 95-5% split between heat and electricity. Now he is discussing the cooling needed for six - twelve of his little blue boxes with a guy who is designing himself a perpetual power supply. Rossi said the heat produced by 12 of his blue boxes was negligible and no cooling was required even if the boxes were stacked cheek to jowl in a metal junction box. Some folks then went to their calculators and formed up some new electric vs heat numbers based on this scenario ---- 99 electric and ~ <1% ~ heat. This is all wildly speculative, of course. Fission or fusion or transformation effects either one would have some radiation and a lot more waste heat being produced, so you can see why Rossi says fusion, fusion and transformation are out as the basis of what is happening inside his little blue boxes. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 02/17/22 at 14:56:02 The Big Silence has landed again ---- Rossi is turning it over to his production partners and they demand full silence from Rossi on all things associated with them. These are the same folks who dropped out of the last presentation (which was to take place at their facility in their labs) because the ABB board of directors didn't want to endure the image hit they would take associating publicly with a crackpot like Rossi. I have said it before, Rossi is his own worst enemy in the eyes of publicists, scientists and finance folks. His units must perform to specification FLAWLESSLY or else Rossi is done, completely. He will not be granted any form of confusion or poor communication as a reason for failure. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/17/22 at 16:50:12 I Want it to work. I Want to own it. I'm gonna keep following this until Rossi gets it done or folds. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 02/19/22 at 01:58:10 https://e-catworld.com/2022/02/18/rossi-testing-at-leonardo-facilities-to-be-permitted-prior-to-delivery/ February 18, 2022 at 5:58 AM Dear Dr Andrea Rossi: I am one of your Clients that sent a pre-order for the Ecat SKLep. One question: when you will communicate to me that you are ready to deliver, will it be possible to come in a facility of yours to test the apparatus I ordered before you deliver ? Thank you, Hans, from Germany Andrea Rossi February 18, 2022 at 9:14 AM Hans: Absolutely yes! You gave me an idea: when we will start the deliveries, we will communicate here the fact that we are starting to deliver, and at that point all the buyers of the Ecat SKLep will be allowed to visit our closest center to decide if to proceed with the order or cancel it; besides, being the payment made by Paypal, every Client will have 2 months of time to be reimbursed giving back the SKLep if it did not perform as guaranteed, at the condition that it has not been broken. Warm Regards, A.R. If the Ecat SKLeps work well under testing, I think arrangement would be beneficial to Leonardo Corporation and to the customers as it would build confidence in the products. I don’t think it would take long for word to get out from some of these customers about how the testing went. It will be interesting to see what kind of testing will be allowed. If it doesn’t work well, then it will be to everyone’s benefit to know that fact. Rossi has said that the secrecy ends with the first massive shipments, so this all falls in line with that Rossi open communications intent. However, I am not thinking that all of Rossi's distributor network will be open to this idea --- for example nobody "casually" visits an ABB facility. =================================================== Rossi admits that his larger customers have already done the trial visit thing, and they left satisfied with their large orders still in place. Concern has been placed that the flow of individual orders has mostly stopped, with single users thinking that discounted price units from the big boys will soon become available. Current level is sub-900,000 and holding. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/19/22 at 16:47:45 Hell,you can't Casually Visit your kids school. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 02/26/22 at 06:24:12 https://e-catworld.com/2022/02/26/rossi-800k-ecat-sklep-orders/ Andrea Rossi DrLG: yes, we reached the orders for 800000 units, Warm Regards, A.R. It looks like orders are inching up, but not nearly as rapidly as they were earlier in the year. Still, Rossi does seem to think that he will hit the target. Here’s another Q&A from today: Anonymous February 25, 2022 at 4:16 PM Dear Andrea: Do you think the distribution of the Ecat SKLep will start during the 2022 year ? Andrea Rossi February 26, 2022 at 5:27 AM Anonymous: Yes, Warm Regards, A.R. I had asked a couple of days ago if he would start manufacturing SKLeps before the 1 million target was reached, in anticipation of hitting the goal later. His response was “maybe”. We know next to nothing about what is going on behind the scenes. I really don’t think anyone is getting too excited at this point, that can only change when we get verification that the SKLeps are getting into people’s hands and are working well. We see that any mention of future products functionally stops the accumulation of "current product" orders. Folks really don't want a puny little 100 watt unit, they want the 500-1000 watt unit as this is enough to charge a battery continuously when not driving the car. A Rossi power wall unit of this size could act as a household backup power supply for storm outages, etc. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/04/22 at 05:32:46 https://e-catworld.com/2022/03/03/rossi-production-of-ecat-skleps-has-started/ Rossi: Production of Ecat SKLeps Has Started Posted on March 3, 2022 In an exchange on the Journal of Nuclear Physics today, Andrea Rossi indicated that although distribution of Ecat SKLeps has not started, production of them has. Andreas March 3, 2022 at 9:53 AM Dear Dr. Rossi, dear visitors of this blog, everybody of us feels the tension to the question: when will the million be reached? It is possible, to reach the target in some days. My order in January was 5 Skleps. Some days ago, I ordered another 5 pieces for my son. If some of us, the more, the better, do the same and order additional Skleps, will help to start production soon. In my opinion is the risk, we go very small, but the chance is enormous. Looking around in our world today gives us many reasons to do it in this way, it costs only some dollars. So, let´s do it. Greetings from Germany – Andreas Andrea Rossi March 3, 2022 at 10:06 AM Andreas: I empathyze with you. I am convinced thay before the end of tis year we will start the distribution. We already started the production. Warm Regards, A.R. If Rossi has started Ecat production, I would guess that distribution will follow, so it seems that he has the confidence to reach his 1 million pre-order target. If you are serious about producing them, you are obviously going to get your production system up and running, at least to a limited degree, in order to test the manufacturing system and work out any problems that come up. So I think he’s saying the right things, but we still await the confirmation that the SKLep is a viable new energy source. That won’t happen until the first customers get them and begin to test them out. 3-9-22 Rossi has "thousands of finished units" produced and tested by his first ABB built robotic automated line system design. Rossi considers the first assembly line system to be proved out and ready for "relatively wide" replication in stages in both Europe and the USA. Now you get to see the effects of a modern automated distributed production system in action ........ ABB can roll these things out "as needed" quite quickly. The robotic programming is already done and the robotic parts and the track systems are all ABB standard items pulled from stock. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/14/22 at 13:56:39 https://e-catworld.com/2022/03/13/rossi-working-on-1-kw-ecats-right-now/ Rossi: Working on 1 kW Ecats ‘Right Now’ Posted on March 13, 2022 • 31 Comments There have been some comments on the Journal of Nuclear Physics recently that suggest that Andrea Rossi and his team are currently working on a larger version (sounds like about 1 kW) of the Ecat SKLep. Rossi had mentioned this in the past as a line of research and development. When asked yesterday about the status of the 1 kW Ecat, Rossi stated: “We are working on it: even right now, in this very moment, I am working with it.” In another comment he wrote: “We are working hard on it, probably tomorrow we’ll start the tests with the prototype.” And today was this Q&A: Brice March 13, 2022 at 4:13 AM Dear Dr. Rossi, When the SKLep works as promised then it would be one of the most astonishing inventions ever. Still, most people would prefer more power, like 1 kWatt. But what would you consider as the most important weakness or vulnerability of the SKLep? And what would you like to optimise if you were able to? With kind regards, Brice Andrea Rossi March 13, 2022 at 6:17 AM Brice: If the instruction manual will be respected, I don’t see vulnerabilities. Perfection is impossible to reach, so there will be always room for improvements. The one we are working on right now is to raise the power of modules to make easier the assembling process. Warm Regards, A.R. Most of us use kWs of electricity in the course of daily life rather than just hundreds of watts, so I would imagine a 1 kW Ecat would be a lot more popular than a 100 W model, as it would require a lot less configuration to build generators of higher power. The fact that Rossi is working on this at the moment makes me wonder if he planning to release this in the near term, or whether it is a something being prepared for later. =================================================== OK, it is clear what the next Rossi product will likely be ---- a one Kilowatt generator. A one kilowatt Rossi unit would be able to keep a small EV battery bank topped off, but would be abysmally too small and too weak and TOO SLOW to rapidly recharge that car's battery bank once it was discharged by any real amount. It would take a full day of charging to bring back an EV battery pack back up to any kind of run range distance at all. HOWEVER, it is thought such a 1 kilowatt charger could act to raise the performance curve of a smaller battery around town automobile to keep it relatively useful in ongoing day to day short distance driving. Rossi could incorporate a moderate sized battery and sell his unit as a separate single freezer or separate refrigerator backup power supply. He has to have a way to cover the higher start up watts draw as fridges and freezers start stop all the time and they use extra short term surge of "spot power" to do this. Some car makers allow the car's main battery to act as a power wall during disaster situations taking power back up through the charging cable. Rossi's 1 kilowatt unit could work with a car battery in this scenario also. Beyond some electronics and your fridge, his newly proposed unit is still too small to meet most uses apart from being coupled with a large storage battery. The smallest commercial generators on the market are 2,500 watt generators. Rossi will work up to these levels of product eventually. :-? And all the skeptics all cry out together "Oh NO !!!!! Not another bait and switch tactic !!!!!" Not so, it is the march of technical advancement. Tesla and Westinghouse did this same dance at the first Niagara Falls Generator station. http://https://www.teslasociety.com/pictures/Exhibition/ex1.jpg |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/22/22 at 12:36:12 https://e-catworld.com/2022/03/22/andrea-rossi-explains-ecat-order-situation/ Even better than a bait & switch, a escrow prepaid arrangement ...... a confirmed prepaid order that Rossi will build, get paid for and ship. This means BS Big Buyers can't drop off the face of the earth as they had planned to do earlier. Andrea Rossi Explains Ecat Order Situation Posted on March 22, 2022 • 0 Comments Today Andrea Rossi made the following post on the Journal of Nuclear Physics in response to a question about the current number of pre-order Ecat SKLep units. Andrea Rossi March 22, 2022 at 11:28 AM Anonymous, Thank you for your question, because I was going to explain what follows. We are still around 800000, but the situation is very dynamic, not static, for the following reasons: most of the units have been ordered by the so called “big buyers”, which means buyers that made pre-orders for more than 1000 units. As you can understand, we cannot risk to manufacture hundreds of thousands of units on the base of a not engaging pre-order, without having the guarantee that the buyer will be able to pay: this would lead us toward a bankruptcy. For this reason, this is the situation: buyers for small quantities are not a problem, because most of them are surely able to pay and the few of them which refuse to pay when we call them to organize the delivery will be easily substituted by the incoming orders. Therefore in this period we are vetting the references of all the big buyers; it is turning out that several big buyers are respectable guys, but absolutely lacking the financial ground proportionate to the amount they should have to pay at the delivery. To avoid to risk a bankruptcy, the steps will be the following: SMALL BUYERS 1- we manufacture the units based on the pre-orders of the small buyers 2- when the ordered units are ready, we call the Clients and inform them that the delivery is ready 3- the Client is free to come to us and test his units, then decide if he wants the Ecats he pre-ordered, or not, and, if yes, he has to pay before the delivery by Paypal BIG BUYERS 1- before starting to manufacture their units, we vet their financial status based on the information they give us and that we find about them and eventually decide if to proceed or not with the manufacturing, provided the Client puts the sum he has to pay in an escrow account agreed between the parties 2- when the units the Client has pre-ordered will be ready, we will inform him and he will be able to come to test his units: if the test will be successful ( based upon a test protocol agreed by the parties ) the money in the escrow account will be sent from the escrow agent to Leonardo Corporation and the Client will be able to get his units; if the test will be unsuccessful, the escrow agent will give back to the Client his money and the Ecats will remain where they are. This said, in this period we are cancelling all the pre-orders of the Clients that resulted to be not able to guarantee their capacity to pay the amount of units they ordered. Presently there is an equilibrium between cancellations and new orders, so we still are around 800000. I invite our Clients to avoid to make jumbo orders they are not able to pay for, because it results in a loss of time for both parties, with no avail. Warm Regards, A.R. From the above, then, it seems that the number of pre-orders received so far does not actually correlate to the number of SKLeps that Leonardo anticipates that will actually be paid for. For this reason, the ‘big buyers’ will be required to put the up-front payment into an escrow account to show that they actually do have the funds to cover the orders. We don’t know what qualifies one as a ‘big buyer’, I would guess it would be someone who orders around 1 thousand or more units. With this new arrangement, it seems likely that the actual number of pre-orders will drop short term , as some of those big buyers will probably reduce their orders. It does sound like that manufacturing will go on based on the orders of the small buyers, I would guess this will be in the thousands of units so far. Rossi has stated recently that he still expects the distribution of the Ecats to begin this 2022, but not in the first half of the year. We will just have to wait and see how things progress. I think the most positive news that could come, and which could really boost the number of real pre-orders, would be a report from someone who goes to Leonardo to test the Ecat, and it performs as advertised. Rossi will put out the technical information on his one kilowatt based units and Rossi will start supplying them as "prepaid orders". Large customers will be invited in to see and test their lot of production before the account escrow executes. Best be quick to get in to test it though, as the automated line builds your stuff quite quickly and the automation's build time for your order constitutes your time window to get in to do the testing. Failing to get your testing done in time means NO TEST for your order and it gets shipped automatically if you have let it trickle on too long. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/29/22 at 20:22:03 https://e-catworld.com/2022/03/28/giueseppe-levi-erratum-and-andrea-rossi-response/ Giuseppe Levi who had originally validated the Ecat now says he didn't use the very best equipment and methods that exists today, just the best that existed at the time he did the tests. Levi has been pressured by his peers at University of Bologna to decouple the University from Rossi's various controversies, some controversies being real, some being imagined. Rossi points out that the errata pointed out by Levi make the case for real Ecat results stronger, not weaker. This makes it somewhat illogical that Giuseppe has done this "clarification of error in method used, not a retraction" thing at this time ...... Rossi also points out that University of Bologna has kept all of Rossi's payments for the tests being done correctly, and has not offered Rossi a refund of his money for tests done "by imperfect methods". Nor has there been an offer to redo the tests "correctly". As such, this is simply a political move being made now by the University of Bologna due to pressures being applied to the University by someone seeking to discredit Rossi in any way they can manage to discredit him. University of Bologna in Italy now wishes that they had not been associated with Rossi in years past, in other words. Uppsalla University in Sweden is likely going to get the same pressures applied to their old past published test results as well. Be aware that it is coming. HOWEVER, when the current 100 watts of output power is questioned instead of sub one watt results then the stated accuracy of the instruments becomes just some minor noise once again. Rossi needs to publicly get his current results tested again by a reputable lab with good modern equipment or these "equipment accuracy character assassins" are going to do him damage again. We are now talking measuring 100 watts of output power now, not some tiny changes in resistance measurements due to changes in the temperature of oil baths. Rossi's current work in progress is a 1 kilowatt power generator, not a tiny resistor lab test sitting in an oil bath in a Italian lab 10 years past ...... |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/22 at 10:01:01 some controversies being real, some being imagined. A sad reality today |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 04/01/22 at 21:25:58 https://e-catworld.com/2022/03/30/rossi-manufacturing-so-far-is-of-ecat-components-not-completed-skleps/ Frank, the site manager of E-Cat World once again performs his dual duties as Official Leaker and Rossi Damage Control Manager. Rossi: Manufacturing So Far is of Ecat Components, Not Completed SKLeps Posted on March 30, 2022 • 30 Comments Andrea Rossi stated recently that that the manufacturing of Ecats had started, but gave no details. I asked a question about this yesterday, hoping to get more information about the nature of this manufacturing: Frank Acland March 29, 2022 at 9:57 AM Dear Andrea, You have stated recently that you have started the manufacturing of the SKLeps. So far, does this mean you have been manufacturing: a) Only components for the SKLeps b) Completed SKLeps c) Both Andrea Rossi March 29, 2022 at 11:03 AM Frank Acland: Important question. We are manufacturing only components of the SKLeps to gain time, because to mass manufacturing the complete units we need to collect an amount of ordered units in the order of magnitude of one million modules. I recall that Rossi had stated that almost all the components required for the Ecat SKLep would be outsourced, but there was one part of the controller that would be made in-house as it contained proprietary circuitry. So my guess is this is what they have started with. So it doesn’t sound like there are thousands of SKLeps sitting in a warehouse somewhere waiting until the million orders are reached. And regarding those orders, Rossi stated yesterday that some have been cancelled: “Our orders collection is proceeding well, notwithstanding the fact that several big buyers have been cancelled because didn’t give us the necessary proof of funds.” Frank has been asked to clarify what Rossi meant while answering a question because folks took the answer Rossi gave originally at face value. Rossi is getting feedback from Frank that his answers are too dammed vague and the faithful are getting more than a little pissed off about the endless run around Rossi is giving to the list members with his overly secretive answers. Rossi is now losing some small amount of existing orders from the faithful because of some of this overly secretive BS ..... he is perceived of as "stalling" by actively holding the numbers accumulation around the 800,000 mark by selectively cancelling some of the dubious larger orders. Rossi is actively stalling. He has a better 1 kilowatt unit pending. Question becomes, when he unveils the better 1 kilowatt unit will anybody care because of his current secretive BS methods. People are flat out questioning Rossi's general veracity and that is very bad for Rossi. Rossi finally reacts to the swing away from him on the E-Cat World discussions. https://e-catworld.com/2022/04/04/rossi-we-are-not-ready-yet/ =================================================== TO RECOVER WITH HIS NEW UNIT PRESENTATION Rossi needs a carefully planned out new public test staged by somebody who speaks clean English. This test must start with the model numbers of the Fluke test equipment Rossi likes to use and some discussion why the instrument and the method is both adequate and accurate. Rossi can test a sealed production prototype box showing no internal details except the simple wiring leading to the load. This is far better than testing a confusing rat's nest of exposed wiring. Fine temperature controls of the cooling system or environment should be avoided in as much as is possible. Test a completed unit that is large enough to render the atmospheric environmental effects to be completely meaningless. Right now Rossi is suffering from the perception he is a BS artist who is stalling by cancelling fraudulent large orders to back away from the starting gate. ROSSI IS STALLING AND IT IS CLEAR THAT HE IS DOING SO. He has no completed units. He has no Production partner. He has no competent Sales partner. He is just a quirky old man off in a lab by himself until he proves otherwise. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 04/05/22 at 03:26:58 https://e-catworld.com/2022/04/04/rossi-we-are-not-ready-yet/ Rossi: “We are Not Ready Yet” Posted on April 4, 2022 • 19 Comments Obviously there is a great deal of anxiety these days regarding the situation with energy supplies. The Russia-Ukraine war has caused great turmoil in energy markets, especially in Europe where it is now possible that Russian gas supplies will be cut off, leaving a huge shortfall for many countries. For those following the Ecat story, this has particular interest, as there have been hopes that a new energy source such as the Ecat could evanutally supplant the need for reliance on fossil fuels. Andrea Rossi has announced that he has started production of Ecat components, but not of completed Ecat SKLeps. Yesterday made this comment in response to a question about the number of Ecats he has produced so far. ‘You are right, I answered ambiguously, the correct answer would have been “about 1000 Skleps have been partially manufactured, my fault,’ From this it appears that there are not any completed Ecat SKLeps that can be tested yet, let alone shipped. Another question came into the Journal of Nuclear Physics today from a reader obviously worried about the Energy situation: Heinz Sause April 4, 2022 at 5:41 AM hello dr rossi, The Putin/Ukrain war will probably not come to an end if the Russian side gives in after negotiations, based on experience with the trigger of the war. The cessation of imports from Russia also always hurts will hurt us very much. Why, I keep asking myself, aren’t you in contact with economic ministries in the EU or the USA? courage, we your followers stand by you . Andrea Rossi April 4, 2022 at 5:57 AM Heinz Sause: Because we are not ready yet. Thank you for your support, Warm Regards, A.R. For the Ecat to make even a small dent in the energy markets, I believe it will take millions of working Ecats. That will take time, money and a reliable product. So far we don’t have anything on the market, or anything that can be tested by potential clients. Hopefully he will get there eventually, but for the time being it seems the Ecat is not going to affect the energy crisis. Rossi walks back on his answers and his salient comments from earlier this week, admitting he was in essence just BS'ing members of the E-Cat World forum. ‘You are right, I answered ambiguously, the correct answer would have been “about 1000 Skleps have been partially manufactured, my fault,’ From this it appears that there are not any completed Ecat SKLeps that can be tested yet, let alone shipped. =================================================== People are now forcing Rossi to walk back some of his BS answers that he offered to E-Cat World posters in the last 6 months or so. Frank Ackland is working hard to correct and clarify Rossi's nonsense as if he does nothing then his forum goes tits up fairly shortly. This means short term Ackland is acting contra-Rossi for a time. The fact that Rossi's BS has made this necessary merges with with the hard stance that Rossi's biographer Matts Lewan has taken recently when he and several others forced Rossi to abruptly cancel the his little light (because it simply wasn't spec'd correctly by Rossi). Josephine April 18, 2022 at 8:37 AM Dear Dr Andrea Rossi, Based on the experiments you are making, which is the best and easiest use of the Ecat SKLep that you envision ? All the best, J. Andrea Rossi April 18, 2022 at 8:58 AM Josephine The best use is beyond any doubt batteries charging. Warm Regards, A.R. This response from Andrea Rossi brings up a question of why battery charging would be ‘beyond any doubt’ the best use of the SKLep. If you have a source of electricity that can charge batteries, why would it better than operating electronic devices directly? Does this answer indicate that there is something unusual about the electricity generated by the SKLep that would make it most suitable for battery charging? At one time, Rossi had stated that the SKLep could power resistive loads but not inductive loads, but he seemed to indicate that that problem had been resolved. I hope we can get more information on this issue. UPDATE: I asked a question about this today: Frank Acland April 18, 2022 at 10:22 AM Dear Andrea, Can you say why charging batteries is by far the best use of the Ecat SKLep? If the SKLep can charge a battery, could it not just as easily run any electrical device? Andrea Rossi April 18, 2022 at 10:55 AM Frank Acland: Good question. The battery is also a capacitance, which grants a stabilization of the supply. It is not the sole load that works, but the question was which is the best kind of load. Warm Regards, A.R. This all goes back to the irregular nature of Rossi's power output voltage and amperage. Rossi's raw device output needs to be run into a battery as an irregular charging voltage and then taken back out as inverter supplied power flow (a known sine wave power flow of known stable voltage and amperage). There are inherent losses involved such a system, so do not expect to get "full rated power" out of a Rossi power supply system. ==================================================== ONE MONTH LATER Rossi has quit giving his BS quip answers and that has choked off the question - answer flow just about completely. Nobody is interested in the order count any longer, since it was clear it was a bogus number build up on Rossi's side. Rossi has nothing that is ready to be sold or tested --- when this changes I will post again. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Eegore on 01/08/23 at 15:37:20 So he is now running a livestream of his light, but it keeps being interrupted. The description contains links to other videos, and a way to order, again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvqcrUUx30U I for one am still not impressed. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 01/09/23 at 09:59:16 https://e-catworld.com/2023/01/06/rossi-patent-application-electric-energy-generator-and-electric-energy-generation-method/ You shouldn't be impressed ...... not until he ships something and somebody else reviews it knowledgably and objectively. Rossi has now applied for and is pending being granted a new patent --- some right interesting wording takes place in this patent. Think of it as mental bait for Elon Musk's Telsa engineers as a bumped up 10x version device of this could charge an EV over a few days (or else extend the range of an EV by quite a bit) Or else think of it as reserving the specific idea for Rossi to finish up later on. Here is the abstract: The creation of these virtual particles is favored by the high density of allowable energy states in vacuum, while they are hindered by the relatively low number of permitted states in an ordinary metallic conductor. This difference may be exploited to generate a high efficiency electric energy generator and this is what this invention has been made for. The objective is solved by an electricity generator set made by a conductive hollow enclosure, made by metals or quartz containing conductors, connected with a power source that powers an electron gun made by a tungsten-hafnium alloy, upon which is a grid, so that the electrons hit a target at the opposite side, while a magnet forces the electrons to run in straight line toward the target, and the enclosure is grounded until its hollow is saturated, so that when it is saturated MOSFET impedes the electrons to go to ground, and a diode has to allow the electrons go to a capacitor and from the capacitor to a load. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Serowbot on 01/09/23 at 16:09:05 6F4C4446454C4C4552200 wrote:
...and you buy it with crypto currency :-? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by jcstokes on 01/09/23 at 19:11:15 What is MOSFET? |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 01/10/23 at 19:51:39 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOSFET A common form of transistor gate thingie. |
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Title: Re: LENR (ongoing) Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 02/16/23 at 03:53:18 Look ma, no wires. This is a 5 watt LED light running off the Rossi Zero Point system off hardware that is taped to the shank of the light bulb itself. What is behind that poster board curtain, oh Wizard of Oz you sneaky poo, you http://https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fo-WJyAWcAAfZGr?format=jpg&name=medium https://youtube.com/@ecatthenewfire Here is all the various links to the stuff to support this, and yes this constitutes the "not so impartial" reviewers review and the endless Twitter and YouTube streaming of the prototype 5 watt SSM LED light that Rossi had promised. We expect Rossi to put out a link for collecting pre-orders sometimes fairly soon. When the light gets out of Rossi's lab and into the hands of talented truly impartial reviewers I will share that with you guys. https://youtube.com/@ecatthenewfire |
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