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Reply #15 - 04/22/16 at 13:42:45
 
Every one of you who has responded in this thread has identified economic ( money ) problems of some sort as our main problems.
We have Presidents, for the most part, who are not business people, don't  really know business, nor sophisticated finance, Wall Street, etc.  Obama is a classic example - good hearted man, but one who never even ran a kid's lemonade stand.
I will vote, enthusiastically, for Trump.  He has been a showman since the campaign began, and all of that was to get attention..  You are now just beginning to see his other side.  No person can achieve what he has without being brilliant, and he knows banks and the monetary system the best of all.  If you want our economic ills at least in the hands of someone who has a clue what causes them, and how to fix what can be fixed, how can you not support Trump?
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Reply #16 - 04/22/16 at 13:49:15
 
Did anyone else see the mini town hall on the Today show yesterday morning, featuring Trump and his family?
I was particularly happy to see a recently retired man ask him a question, but before the question, the man said that in the spirit of full disclosure, he had worked for Trump for 18 years as a union construction worker.  He then thanked Trump for providing a decent, union wage and standard of living to him and his family for all of that time.  The man said that he was definitely voting for Trump.
Forget the nonsense that Sanders spouts about the middle class - you rebuild the middle class be having a POTUS who has employed tens of thousands of middle class people, who understands them, and what it takes to get things back on track.
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Reply #17 - 04/22/16 at 15:13:24
 
Jerry, I have not seen any serious, mature, reasonableness, from this man prior to this campaign.
I see a man, an opportunistic beast, not unlike the days of the midway and the carnival barkers.
It's true I don't know him on any deeper level, and his business expertise is beyond my scope, however, he can not do this without being a statesman and convincing others of his ideals. His sarcastic one liners, ennuendos, and other behavior borders on unhinged, regardless of the coverage it garners....
Of course a real debate will showcase these two and give both an opportunity to speak of their ideas.
I will be watching for sure, but if he does the same old routine I will turn him off for good.

Jog, perhaps I am not making myself clear.
The clinton's have very much at stake in the status quo, and I would rather start there than who knows where, with Trump.

We saw the rush to obamacare, and it has been pretty dismal since. We saw the rush into Iraq, we know differently now.
Hillillys foreign policies dive pretty much with the way it has been for decades, unlike Obama who has been bust, other than Cuba perhaps, but that still remains to be seen.

She has more experience in the workings, and I think she will be different once she reaches her goal of being the first female president, she knows she will be under an extreme scrunity too, and I hope that pushes her to be better

BTW Jerry, if you are using wealth as some indicating factor as ability to lead, then you should extend that consideration to the clintons, as they were broke coming out of the White House and have turned their finances around to millions now  Shocked
Sure, we can say it's pretty sketchy, but no one has been able to prove it thus far, and too, trump college, c'mon, pet rock  Tongue

At this elevation of politics building a machine like they have takes considerable ability, people just don't bow down to them cuz they are really cool people, these redneck arkies know sumtin, and nobody has been able to unseat them, that takes something don't it.....
I think you said you don't do trial litigation, but you must be pretty familiar with it. I have a good friend with his own practice in LA. I saw him as a defending attorney, and a plaintiff, crap, he was two different guys, I was shocked  Shocked
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Reply #18 - 04/22/16 at 15:26:51
 
Raydawg - What do you know about Trump prior to this campaign?  I bet it's close to zero.
I cannot believe that you called him a beast - so far in the 8 months since he announced, there has not be one, again, one person who ever worked for him, or who was associated with him who has had one bad thing to say about him.  Even his two prior wives are supporters - how many divorced people do you know whose ex spouses are their supporters?
Why would a man self fund millions in a campaign if he didn't have the people's best interests at heart?
We need a man who has succeeded at business; not just a talker like Hillary.
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Reply #19 - 04/22/16 at 15:45:19
 
What kind of person do we Need? Opportunistic? Someone who can and will seize an opportunity to better the economy? You want someone who has demonstrated a willingness to leave Americans screwed? Hillary is your guy.
I have a problem with the
Speaking fees.
In front of people who have something to gain. It's a way to pay for favors already delivered or those to come. Who is actually Worth those fees to have them come talk?
But, again, I will be shocked if either Cruz or trump get the nomination.
If one does, I still expect Hillary to win, even if she doesn't...
It's her Turn


And nobody will touch my questions.
Jerry. Yours will probably be ignored, too.
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Reply #20 - 04/22/16 at 15:47:57
 
Jerry, I use the term beast in an animalistic vein, as he goes for the jugular of him prey, not like a criminal.
Please see my prior post/reply to you, I added more why you posted this  Grin
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Reply #21 - 04/22/16 at 15:52:08
 
Okay, let's say he Is animalistic. As long as he's fighting FOR my rights and economic well being, I like that. Who is more desirable as a leader?
George McFly or Trump?



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If you or I did it, we would be in jail.
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Reply #22 - 04/22/16 at 16:06:19
 
Jog, all these smart folk and not a one can make it stick....
It almost sounds like the same reasoning BLM uses....

I be a victum  Grin

Yes, they are snakes, they are better snakes than most of the others, that is why their venom doesn't phase her!
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Reply #23 - 04/22/16 at 16:15:02
 
Some people are above the law. You are aware of that, right?

And Your allegations against Trump. You can prove it?
How has the general trajectory of the country worked out for most Americans?
That's Status Quo, and you defend that by promoting anyone who is part of that system.
We need change. Don't KNOW what Trump will do. I Do know what to expect from Hillary. No change.
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Reply #24 - 04/22/16 at 16:31:47
 
Hey..... hear is a great story from the Huntington Post, I think it is spot on, AND, I hope is a foretelling of Hillary's fortune  Grin







Hillary’s primary success is a sham: Bernie Sanders will remain the true Democratic front-runner until the FBI finishes its Investigation
It's not over until the FBI clears Hillary Clinton— which it absolutely shouldn't

H.A. GOODMAN


Hillary's primary success is a sham: Bernie Sanders will remain the true Democratic front-runner until the FBI finishes its Investigation
Hillary Clinton.
Bernie Sanders is the only Democratic candidate for president not linked to an FBI investigation. This used to mean something in American politics, but those days are gone. Today, I’m viewed as delusional, by the same people who think smart politics and qualifications entail endless scandals, poor decision-making on everything from major foreign policy decisions to Wall Street speeches, and ongoing FBI investigations. In truth, the only delusion is believing that a candidate at risk of DOJ indictments, and facing political repercussions even without these indictments, would make a great president.

Nonetheless, this election season has been a bizarre case study in group think and competing narratives. At first, Bernie couldn’t win and Hillary was inevitable. Now, Bernie almost won, but apparently lost because of New York, and the FBI is simply a minor speed bump on the road to the White House. Tomorrow, Clinton will claim victory is just around the corner, even without knowledge of the FBI’s verdict.

At the end of the day, Americans everywhere will realize that the rule of law applies to Hillary Clinton, and that honesty and integrity will propel Bernie Sanders to the presidency. The FBI’s reputation is at stake, both globally and at home, and I explain why in this YouTube segment. James Comey and the agents who’ve devoted endless hours to Clinton’s email investigation will soon disclose their findings to the American people; to think nothing will result from this year-long probe is naive. Remember, the FBI doesn’t give parking tickets.

There will indeed be political repercussions for Clinton, especially if the FBI recommends indictment, and Democrats will need Bernie Sanders. The DNC will need Bernie Sanders. The country will need Bernie Sanders.

We haven’t veered that far away from our former value system as nation, when possible criminal conduct meant the end of presidential campaigns, for the DNC to continue to back Hillary Clinton, even after the FBI recommends indictments.

Think I’m nuts?

The smartest people in the room are again saying that Bernie Sanders can’t win, even though they failed to predict he’d be only 1.4 points nationally from Clinton in April of 2016. Last year, I accurately predicted that Bernie Sanders would continue his surge in the polls, while most observers never imagined Vermont’s Senator already defeating Clinton in two national polls. Not long ago, there was the notion that party unity would save Democrats in November, if Clinton became the nominee. Again, I predicted that many Democrats would never support Hillary Clinton, and that figure is now much larger. The smart Democratic strategists also never imagined Bernie Sanders would have 1,149 delegates, even after New York, and certainly never predicted he’d defeat GOP competition by wider margins than Hillary Clinton. Once again, in almost all my writing advocating Bernie Sanders, I’ve made the case that Sanders would be here, at this point, and perform better against Republican challengers.

Most importantly, nobody in progressive politics took the FBI investigation seriously, even though I’ve addressed the issue since last year, before supporting Bernie and while I was backing Elizabeth Warren. For this reason, and not delegate math (that discounts the over 100,000 voters in Brooklyn who weren’t allowed to vote), there’s only one genuine front-runner in the race for Democratic nominee. You can’t start bringing up rules and delegate count, if voter suppression, rigged debates schedules, and overt foul play have been hallmarks of the 2016 Democratic Primary.

Bernie Sanders will remain the true Democratic front-runner, until the FBI finishes its year-long investigation of the Top Secret and classified intelligence found on Clinton’s private server. This concept is simple, but very difficult for Clinton supporters, and even many observers in the media to comprehend. To most supporters of the former Secretary of State, everything is a Benghazi committee, regardless of the severity of the controversy or questions surrounding Clinton’s decision-making.

First, the Clinton campaign would like nothing more than Bernie Sanders dropping out, and becoming the only candidate standing if the FBI recommends indictments for Clinton or her top aides. The narrative then would be that Democrats had to vote for Clinton, since there was nobody left standing other than the former Secretary of State. Luckily, Bernie Sanders has more than enough money to see this election through; all the way to the FBI’s vote.


Of course, the Hillary faithful can’t even fathom indictment, but it’s a real possibility; in fact, a likely repercussion the more you know about the email investigation. I

It’s not often that a political figure is both investigated by the FBI, and seen as qualified by voters; yet another bizarre aspect of Clinton’s 2016 quest for the White House.

More important than anything I have to say on the topic, Lt. General Michael Flynn has a profound viewpoint. Speaking to Jake Tapper on CNN, President Obama’s former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency makes the case for Hillary Clinton to “drop out” of the 2016 race:

Washington (CNN)President Barack Obama’s former top military intelligence official said Hillary Clinton should pull out of the presidential race while the FBI investigate her use of a private email server for official government communication while secretary of state.

Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, the retired chief of the Defense Intelligence Agency, made the call in an interview with Jake Tapper on “The Lead.”

“If it were me, I would have been out the door and probably in jail,” said Flynn, who decried what he said was a “lack of accountability, frankly, in a person who should have been much more responsible in her actions as the secretary of state of the United States of America.”

“This over-classification excuse is not an excuse,” Flynn said Friday. “If it’s classified, it’s classified.”

…Flynn, who headed the Defense Intelligence Agency from July 2012 to August 2014, told Tapper that Clinton “knew better” given the roles that she has had as a senator, a secretary of state, “even back when she was married to the president of the United States, she was going to have privileged information in that regard.”


Therefore, who’s wrong? Lt. General Michael Flynn, or the Clinton campaign?

I’ll side with Lt. General Michael Flynn.

On the completely opposite end of the spectrum, pertaining to the intelligence community, both Obama’s former intelligence chief and Edward Snowden agree on Clinton’s email situation. Quoted in The Guardian, Snowden makes a similar case:

Snowden said in Al-Jazeera interview that ordinary government workers would ‘very likely face prosecution’ for sending classified emails over personal server…

Edward Snowden has branded as “completely ridiculous” the idea that Hillary Clinton’s personal email server was secure while she was secretary of state…

“This is a problem,” Snowden said, “because anyone who has the clearances that the secretary of state has, or the director of any top-level agency has, knows how classified information should be handled.”

He added: “If an ordinary worker at the State Department or the CIA … were sending details about the security of embassies, which is alleged to be in her email, meetings with private government officials, foreign government officials and the statements that were made to them in confidence over unclassified email systems, they would not only lose their jobs and lose their clearance, they would very likely face prosecution for it.”

Both Snowden and Flynn stated that they’d be in jail if they had acted like Hillary Clinton.

Again, two people on opposite ends of the political spectrum, who are experts on classified intelligence, state the same thing pertaining to the FBI’s investigation of Clinton’s emails.

Yes, America needs Bernie Sanders to stay in the race. Vermont’s Senator will win the Democratic nomination, primarily because his competitor can’t even type an email without scandal. It will be interesting to see the nationwide media frenzy once this story hits.
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Reply #25 - 04/22/16 at 16:35:31
 
That's confusing. I thought you support Hillary.
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Reply #26 - 04/22/16 at 16:47:57
 
I say it don't make a bit of difference WHO sits in the oval office.   Hillary, or Trump, or Bernie, or  Dudley Doright.  After the election it will be "Business As Usual" in D.C. .    Wink

Just incase you lads haven't noticed, despite the Wall Street numbers and the B.S. "smoke and mirrors" numbers / economics out of D.C. there seems to be some not-so-good-news too.     Several major U.S. corporations are talking "reduction in work force".  INTEL, IBM, Boeing. etc. etc.   These "reductions" are NOT minimum wage jobs.... They are middle class career positions that will have a domino effect on the rest of the local economies.  Goods and services NOT purchased, savings nest eggs depleted, etc...     BUT the Wall Street boys will still get their commissions.   Wink   As the man said, "The rich get richer and the rest of us get poorer..."       Nothing will happen for a while, at least until after the election.   A recession would be blamed on the administration  in office (Obama), and by extension, to that political party. (For those who are a bit slow, that means Hilary and the Democrat Party...)      
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Reply #27 - 04/22/16 at 16:57:05
 
You just might be right. One thing is certain, put someone in who is a part of that and then it's a certainty. With Trump, it's Possible that some changes can be made.
JFK was gonna shake it up...
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Reply #28 - 04/22/16 at 17:06:03
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/22/16 at 16:57:05:
You just might be right. One thing is certain, put someone in who is a part of that and then it's a certainty. With Trump, it's Possible that some changes can be made.
JFK was gonna shake it up...


Something got him killed....
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JOG, my OP was about "IF" it is between these two, without any further input or mitigating circumstances that arise, and armed with the present day knowledge I possess, or, if it was elections today, that would be my vote, as hard as it would be to cast.
A lot of time is left, I am still listening, and HOPING a third party enters the fray.
Bernie would be my choice  Grin

Old Chief, are you saying Bo made no diff?
I beg to differ, if that is your position.

I think his rigid idealistic notions have caused much uncertainty around the world, and have driven a wedge into our own citizens.
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Reply #29 - 04/22/16 at 18:16:27
 
You want Bernie for third party?
Use complete sentences. I THOUGHT you were a Hillary supporter.
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