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Reply #46 - 01/28/16 at 19:47:09

Microsoft sales figures.

Real Microsoft sales figures.

In other words, compared to the industry in total, instead of back against Microsoft in some sort of fashion that makes it look good for MS.

Microsoft lies willfully with figures all the time lately ......

Microsoft does stuff like say "Surface tablets and notebooks sales are up 29% !!!!"

But what does that mean, 29% of WHAT the heck exactly are you talking about?

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The entire phone industry moved 1.4 billion smart phones last year in total.

Year before last year Microsoft moved 10.5 million phones.

This last year Microsoft moved only 4.5 million phones, a 57% decline in sales year on year.

This is the big result of Win 10 "sweeping the nation" as a phone OS system.

This means Win 10 phone is only 0.3 of 1% of the total number of smart phones sold in 2015.

..... and what is completely murderous is that this number is also rolling up all the non-Win 10 (Win 8.1) phones that were moved recently at really really really huge discount rates.

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So, how did Microsoft do on the PC front? Musta done better, right?

Nope. That's 4 years in a row of strong decline in Microsoft PC sales.

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Reply #47 - 01/29/16 at 16:27:54

Well, I said it first ..... Microsoft has killed off Windows phone as of today.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2016/01/30/microsoft-windows-phone-lum...

http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/28/10864034/windows-phone-is-dead

http://techcrunch.com/2016/01/29/windows-phone-is-an-ex-platform/#.oopceol:qU2i

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/01/29/1639209/microsofts-windows-phone-plat...

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2946053/windows-phone-os/microsoft-lumia...

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/windows-phone-dead-amazon-spotify-killer-tech-ne...

http://wmpoweruser.com/reality-cruel-tencent-drops-windows-10-mobile-developm...

https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/windows-phone/64299/the-long-slow-decline-of-...
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Windows Phone is 98% dead ....... renaming it "Surface Phone" isn't going to help, it will just hurt the Surface brand name.

Windows Phone Is a Dead Man Walking

Hey Mom, yeah, they just changed my name to Surface Phone ...... no, I still have no heartbeat but it is really cold outside so I smell better. Yes, some better, a little bit better. Really, Mom, only you would say that -- yes I took a bath.

The question becomes then, why is the zombie girl smiling and crying tears of joy ???? Mom says I will get to rest in peace soon ......

UGLY BUT TRUE RUMOR: Microsoft is strongly discounting their warehouses full of last year's non-sold (with aging, partially dead batteries) phones to FreedomPOP so FreedomPOP can practically give them away as come-ons to their free phone service plans which in turn is a come-on to their low end $10-$20 a month pay me phone plans. Microsoft programmers are helping to write the needed code to interface with the FreedomPOP Sprint based service and a large "supporting" donation has been made along with the phones.

A very sizeable 8.x billion dollar "inventory adjustment charge" will be added to MS's books this quarter to write down all the lost value of the Windows phones that are being sold out for practically nothing. MS will NOT be stuck holding this inventory at year's end financial roll up time, Wall Street demands that all old depreciated stocks be GONE.

A truly ignominious end to a $400 to $600 Windows 8.1 or Win 10 "premium" phone, really.

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Reply #48 - 01/31/16 at 15:02:30

https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/windows-phone/64299/the-long-slow-decline-of-...

"Microsoft conceded the smart phone market to Android and iPhone last July when Mr. Nadella wrote an open letter to employees explaining that it was time to “fundamentally restructure its phone business.” The company said it would take an impairment charge of approximately $7.6 billion related to assets associated with the acquisition of the Nokia Devices and Services business in addition to a restructuring charge of approximately $750 million to $850 million. So over $8 billion flushed down the toilet, and that’s only in direct costs related to Nokia/hardware. Microsoft had been losing money—and losing generally—on Windows phone all along.

Like Germans hoping for a secret “super weapon” to turn the tide of World War II in its end stages, Windows phone fans have again pinned their hopes on some future miracle that will save the platform. Two key pipe dreams emerged.

Continuum. Many point to Continuum, which I early on had pushed as a way to differentiate to differentiate Lumia/Windows phone in a Surface-like way. (Though this makes no sense until/unless Intel x86-based phones appear.)

Surface phone. Many also point to a presumed/rumored Surface phone, though here I can rightfully claim to know as much as anyone. Which is to say almost nothing: I believe we’re reaching the point of no return on a such a device, which would pointlessly drag down the Surface brand.

Neither of these things are an answer to the real problems with Windows phone: The complete and utter lack of meaningful apps that literally billions of people now rely on every day is what has just about completely destroyed Windows phone at this point in time.

And I think that’s how Windows phone really ends. Not in a blaze of glory, but in a limping, sad, inevitable, and inexorable decline. For fans of the platform—for me—it’s like watching a loved one slowly succumb to disease. It’s hard. And it hurts."

Paul Thurrott writes the Windows Phone eulogy and he and others now point out that just now dozens of Windows Phone app companies have just recently abruptly dropped their development projects because MS has abruptly ended paying out their "special support dollars" to have their separate platform phone stuff written in the first place.

This is on top of the HUNDREDS of apps that were written last year and years previous, apps which (when the final payment was collected by the app writers) the expected ongoing flow of updates to fix all the app bugs etc. NEVER CAME -- why? simply because the MS payment money had totally stopped flowing.

Microsoft did not stop with their constant flow of Win 10 phone platform changes, however ..... and so these outside written phone apps all started to break inside of 4 months after being finalled.

This same situation is faced by the Windows 10 app writers, there is no stable workspace platform to write against -- MS keeps changing it. And the app writers aren't going to keep up with constantly updating their apps, continuing making all the necessary programming adjustments, without a cash flow back in return. And MS isn't paying out like they did in the past ......

Broken apps -- "a wasteland" full of them.
They should post faded & torn MS Phone signage up on all the broken down billboards in the landscapes of Fallout 4 as a ode to past MS phone glories .....

Is this the same way Win10 is going to go?
"Universal Apps" abandoned by the dozens by their writers as MS slides further down the slippery slope to irrelevance?

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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #49 - 02/02/16 at 01:46:17

http://9to5mac.com/2015/01/14/apple-a-series-chips-mac/

AS PREDICTED: Apple is designing its own Mac processors; Global Foundry added to Apple’s chipmaking stable Intel is still there, but marginalized as a third choice in baseband chipsets.

OK, the A10x chipset is currently being built at 10nm and is being built exclusively by Samsung for Apple Phones, Tablets and Laptops. The process is slow, but the pile of chipsets is slowly building. Sorted into two piles, with the fastest most energy efficient going to premium Apple phones and the slower less energy efficient pile going to tablets and a new low end laptop. This prediction/rumor has come out of the rumor closet now and is showing up on build schedules.

What does this mean? MUCH MORE serious competition from Apple eating up more of MS's upper end Surface and Laptop market share, while Google continues to nibble away all the sub $350 laptop sales with better and better Chromebooks.

Microsoft will be in a new sales vice, with Apple on the up side and Google Chromebooks on the bottom side.

And as far as Intel "requiring" MS Win 10 or they won't work -- that is MS saying that, not Intel. Intel will want their chipsets to be able to go into ANYBODY's product that can afford the big Intel price tags.

What Intel sees is ARM chipsets invading their old PC/Laptop breadbasket turf at top and bottom, driven by both Apple and Google as they attack MS with better products at lower costs. Intel wants to supply arms to all three sides of the conflict ...... but much less expensive bullets can be had now by two of the three sides.

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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #50 - 02/02/16 at 08:28:11

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/02/01/alphabet-google-apple-mark...

Google is now the most valuable company in the world

On top of all the recent bad news from Microsoft and Apple, Google has racked up a piece of news of its very own.

Part of it is Google's doing, the Alphabet selective break up allows the Google companies to shine separately, permitting them to seek capitalization of their own growth plans in whatever manner their base idea can support. Example, the self-driving cars .....

All those crazy Moon shots are beginning to pay off, in other words. As each one matures, it breaks off and seeks its own value on the stock market. And folks are finding out that Google didn't back any losers so far.

Part of it is Apple's doing, Apple has hit a rough patch where folks didn't just rush out to buy the new iPhone like they were properly programmed to do in the past. Instead, this past year most held off buying anything and quite a few switched sides to Android, trying to get a better deal on their cell service plan accordingly.

So, what do you think?

Is it just an aberration, or does Google/Alphabet belong at the #1 company spot, overall, world wide?

Look to see Apple shake off their snooze and DO SOMETHING this year to get their crown back. Also note that Wall Street has "adjusted" Microsoft and Intel, lowering their company valuations (stock price) relative to the technological front runners.

Google 554 billion

Apple 553 billion

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft 230 billion >>>>>>>> sliding on down to oblivion >>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel 147 billion >>>>>>>>

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Reply #51 - 02/03/16 at 07:41:36

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-29/google-s-solar-fueled-cyber...

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/facebook-poses-test-737-sized-solar-powered-drone/

Drone war between Google and Facebook

Wifi vs 4G LTE as best methodology

Google’s relatively small Solar-Fueled Cyber Drone ......

..... vs Facebook's huge solar drone

Well folks, it is all about 4G LTE coverage way up in the sky -- with billions being spent now to capture the rights to send you high speed internet through an antenna on your roof at prices so low your cable company cannot compete with it. There is also a side war between wifi and 4G LTE as to who gives the best coverage for dollar spent, with 4G LTE coming up on top right now (4G can carry further than wifi can).

Google has their Loon Balloons up there by the hundreds in the southern hemisphere already and plans to use their relatively small mobile drones as "hole pluggers". Google drones will circulate with the wind currents like the balloons do, but are able to move quickly laterally to plug in a "transmit hole" as they occur in the balloon coverage due to wind current shifts, etc.

Facebook plans to put up HUGE drones that glide in place over a given area forever. These are massively more powerful units as they have to buck the wind currents to stay in one place.

We got people realizing that internet is REALLY BIG BUSINESS and the current cable carriers are not getting the job done nearly as well as the European and Asian cable and data providers have done.

Because the politicians are allowing the big telecoms and cable providers to sit on their legalities, Americans pay 4x what the rest of the world does for less than half the internet throughput speeds everybody else gets. This is also why Google is going for the south hemisphere first, as they aren't being fought by the incumbent "area/monopoly protected" cable companies and telecoms like they are in the USA.

The whole "Our roots are in Telephone and TV" thing is killing good cheap internet in the USA as the legal required "AT&T Breakup pricing structures" and the mass of historical US cable company regulations and laws needs a total overhaul. Or to be tossed out completely .... forcing all the USA players to compete against each other with no protected zones or other barriers.

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http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/2/8129543/google-x-internet-balloon-project-lo...

Full video explanation http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/2/8129543/google-x-internet-balloon-project-lo...

Inside Project Loon: Google's internet in the sky is almost open for business in the Southern Hemisphere

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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #52 - 02/04/16 at 08:33:02

http://liliputing.com/2016/02/bq-aquaris-m10-an-ubuntu-tablet-that-also-works...

CHANGE ..... it does. Whether you want it to or not.

This past month change has been rapid and has run across the entire globe. So much has changed in the past few months that we are getting numb to it, getting bombarded constantly with big items of change.

Big items, like MS functionally crashing on their Windows phone efforts (not that they will ever admit such, they keep a brave face like nothing is wrong).

Small items, like Ubuntu shipping "convergence" next month in its original Ubuntu format. Yes, finally, for real. They are using a tablet instead of a phone at first, as more grunt and video power comes stock in a tablet than in the current cheap phones.

Tiny items, like Firefox sending out their very last update to Firefox OS for phones .... then shovelling the dirt over the coffin after lowering it into the ground.

Here's a big piece of change. Cell phones have hit saturation in the USA, China and India and now all the plethora of cell phone makers are weeding themselves out by putting all the newest features into phones that sell for $250 or less.

So many "midline" new phones are still sitting in warehouses while getting totally lapped by this "rising bottom end" action that there are companies like FreedomPOP are making a business out of moving your new warehouse stocks of suddenly now out of date phones for you.

Last year's $250 phone for $49 ---- yep, I'm sitting here looking at one. And the price of it dropped to $39 just yesterday ......

And there will be many many more of them coming out in the future.

https://forums.freedompop.com/discussion/11877/83-off-motorola-moto-e-2nd-gen-on
ly-39-99-limited-time-only

PS, please don't jump right out and go buy this offer -- it is a giant gotcha and will turn into a $29.99 a month phone plan while your back is turned. You can fix it after the first 90 days, but it will require you to make several phone calls as you kill feature after feature that they have laden on to you that you didn't ever want and never asked for.

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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #53 - 02/05/16 at 08:07:33

http://liliputing.com/2016/02/maruos-claims-to-turn-your-android-phone-into-a...

MaruOS claims to turn your Android phone into a Linux desktop

"Odds are that the smartphone in your pocket is powerful enough to run some desktop apps like office suites, web browsers, and other productivity tools. But the software on most phones is designed for mobile devices, not desktop screens.

Microsoft is starting to change that with Continuum for phone, and Canonical’s Ubuntu “convergence” software could one day let you run both mobile and desktop apps on your phone (at launch, it’ll only be available on a tablet).

Now there’s a new player in this space: MaruOS is a custom build of Android designed to let you interact with Android apps on your phone’s screen. But connect a display, keyboard, and mouse and you can run Debian Linux.

Right now MaruOS only supports the Google Nexus 5 smartphone, and you’ll need a SlimPort cable to connect your phone to a display (by plugging one end into the micro USB port on your phone and the other to an HDMI port on your TV or monitor)".

Remember, Google takes and uses FOSS code all the time. That is what FOSS is all about. Then, after a year of polishing the packaging Google then gives it all back to FOSS as a completed Android Open Source version.

As we see these little groups doing more and more good things, it only makes it possible for the good stuff to go into Android 7.0 all the sooner and be all the more complete and all the better.

And remember, I did mention that the EFI lockdown bullshite that MS is moving into right now is going to piss FOSS off and make them move faster to provide full android/linux mixed alternatives to MS Win 10, alternatives that will get more and more compelling and better as time goes on.

People use their cell phones all the time and cell phones right now (even the cheap ones) can run Debian or Ubuntu or Mint just dandy. And that is just the little quad core A53 jobbies like I have in my $39 FreedomPOP phone.

Drop the sucker into a generic Android docking station (or use the simple single cable option and a USB hub) and go to town on a big screen running Debian.

(Debian is fine, Debian IS Ubuntu and it IS Linux Mint --- just missing some features and some polish)

So when you see stuff like this popping up all over, simply look at it and pay attention to the basic idea behind it.

Now, think of it all as being built into Android proper in a year or so and then see that MS's future pathway as being all restrictive and stupid simply isn't going to last very long.

Trying to "hard lock people" into MS's ecosystem isn't going to pan out for MS near 100% like they hope, not by a long shot. It will just speed the shrinkage rate of PC/Windows considerably as folks exercise those new alternatives that are coming up as we speak.

This crop of folks and the Ubuntu crop of folks are building a full featured OS set that covers your phone and your desktop, flipping between them seamlessly.

Both are using the https://linuxcontainers.org/lxc/ tools that Shuttleworth and the boys put together to support the Ubuntu phone from two years ago. So, all these bits and pieces are FOSS bits and pieces and Android can incorporate the key tricks and hooks into itself at will.

You do realize that Steam games come along with this packaged set, right? Steam for Debian has been out for well over a year now. And some ARM processors are swinging powerful graphics now, enough to play the older AAA titles.

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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #54 - 02/06/16 at 03:28:50

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/02/05/free-windows-10-true-cost/...

Turning The Screw

Microsoft has followed through on its widely criticised decision to give Windows 10 ‘Recommended’ status in Windows Update. This means installations begin automatically for users who have not changed the default Windows Update settings (the vast majority) so they will now have to proactively cancel a Windows 10 upgrade which has already started, rather than the prior approach of saying they don’t want it to start.

Fine. Tech savvy users and the most belligerent were happy to cancel the installation and remain on the copies of Windows they chose to pay for. Yet it still isn’t that simple. Infoworld reports those who cancelled the installation after it started are finding it restarts every time they reboot their computer.

Furthermore many are not even spotting the automatic install in the first place since it comes hidden in the form of a Microsoft EULA (end user licence agreement) which the user is asked to accept. While not advisable, it is commonplace behaviour for customers to blindly accept EULAs without paying full attention to them, but if you do in this case then Windows 10 begins installation and cannot be stopped.

It's a long article, but it basically says MS just kicked into high gear yesterday and they are slamming Win10 onto user machines all over the USA, whether it breaks your stuff or not. Whether you want it or not. Furthermore, MS says you accepted this when you signed up for Win 7 originally since they have the EULA given right to change the EULA at their whim without notifying you.

So, MS takes the gloves off and slams Win 10 onto user machines wholesale, starting now.

Next wave upcoming is this -- MS breaks your old machine's drivers and then tells you that you need new hardware because your old hardware isn't "compatible".

And tough turkey to you, too.

So far the protections around my Win7 gaming partition are holding. MS knows the partition is there but cannot get to it to replace the 200 meg of stuff they would like to auto-install, and the 8 gigs of stuff they want to download into hidden folders. So far the NO is holding .......

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Reply #59 - 02/06/16 at 19:24:59

Wife's Vista machine just got notified that support was ending for her graphics drivers and her browsers.

Vista is actually only a year or two off Win 7 and by and large ran at the same hardware level and for it to get chopped off at the knees right now smells a bit like a plan coming together.

If you can't upgrade it to Win 10, OBSOLETE it ..... make it stop working for the standard Joe Sixpack user. Make him go buy another one.

I'm thinking about it -- right now I think I will just pick me a browser or two that is going to go on working and just let her continue using it until it quits completely.

Issue becomes this -- when Firefox and Chrome also stop supporting an OS, that isn't Microsoft doing it, that is the simple piling on of years doing it.

Actually, Vista's market share is only a couple of percent now, so why would anybody want to keep putting more and more work into it?

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Firefox will continue to support XP and Vista for a while longer, and Opera browser has no intention to stop supporting XP and Vista at all.

Opera is odd, it really doesn't care what it runs on and given its off the beaten path nature, it does OK as a brower. Opera also runs in the same manner on all OS products, so that too is something good about it, strange, but good anyway.

Opera runs on Linux, Mac, Windows, Android -- you name it, Opera runs on it.

Except for BSD -- Opera did drop BSD though. But Berkley Software Distribution Unix isn't anyone hot button right now, although Mac OS originally used it as their source code roots nobody uses it much nowadays except for very old mainframes.

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