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Reply #225 - 01/10/16 at 23:04:17
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/01/10/rossi-gives-some-leonardo-corporation-up...

Rossi Gives Some Leonardo Corporation Updates (Update: Leonardo ‘Property of a US Trust’)
Posted on January 10, 2016 by Frank Acland • 12 Comments
Andrea Rossi has been talking quite a bit about his plans for the E-Cat lately, and he often mentions it in connection with the plans of Leonardo Corporation (and barely everBe aware that the US Gov can require direct licensed manufacturing of "important technoloBe aware that the US Gov can require direct licensed manufacturing of "important technology" at "a fair rate of return" in areas that the US Gov finds to be nationally significant.gy" at "a fair rate of return" in areas that the US Gov finds to be nationally significant. mentions Industrial Heat now). Here are some recent statements:

1. Ecat.com Website

January 6th, 2016 at 8:08 PM

DEAR READERS:
Please go to
http://www.ecat.com
It is the new official website of Leonardo Corporation for the E-Cat.
It has been renewed substantially during the last 3 days, to prepare the new phase of Leonardo Corporation.
Leonardo Corporation will go through a process of strong development to prepare the huge work that will have to be done after the end of the tests on course. If the results will be positive, we will have a huge work to do. If they will be negative, we will have an even more huge work to do.
I think our website has been well improved. Suggestions are welcome.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

2. Scientific Committee Formed

Q: About the E-Cat X and its application to a jet engine: are you working on it in collaboration with that engineer connected with an aerospace industry you mentioned recently?

Andrea Rossi
January 10th, 2016 at 9:04 AM
Daryl:
Yes. He accepted now to be part of the scientific commettee I am setting up for the future R&D of Leonardo Corporation.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

3. Possible Licensing of E-Cat

Q: Your strategy will be only to produce E-Cats as final products, ready to go on the shelves, or also to produce E-Cats conceived as modules for heat generation destined to be used from other manufacturers to make any other product independently from you?

Andrea Rossi
January 10th, 2016 at 9:09 AM
S.:
Good question.
I thnk Leonardo Corporation will consider also the possibility you have indicated.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

I followed up on this comment by asking Rossi if this signaled that Leonardo was now open to licensing E-Cat technology. He responded: “To be considered in specific situations.”

This last comment is a particularly intriguing one to me, as it opens the door for Leonardo to start providing E-Cat technology for other companies to build products around. If the E-Cat is a truly revolutionary technology (especially now with the E-Cat X producing electricity directly), I would expect there to be a great deal of interest from companies around the world who see the great potential for new and improved products based on Rossi’s technology.

If Rossi hopes for a massive diffusion of E-Cat-based product, it would very difficult for Leonardo Corporation, as a brand new company, to do all the design, engineering, manufacturing, and distribution of new products using the E-Cat, especially in highly specialized fields such as aerospace where big companies have so much expertise and experience already in place.

So where does all this planning for Leonardo Corporation leave the Industrial Heat connection? Perhaps they are a manufacturing or distribution licensee only, and not involved in product development. It would be interesting to learn more on that front, but it seems that Rossi is now planning to have Leonardo Corporation lead out in moving the E-Cat into the marketplace.

UPDATE: Someone on the Journal of Nuclear Physics asked about the status of Leonardo Corp:

Giuseppe
January 10th, 2016 at 4:51 PM
Dear Andrea,
can you better clarify (if possible) who own E-Cat and who the IP, you, Leonardo Corp. , IH, Darden, some other.
Regards,Giuseppe

Andrea Rossi
January 10th, 2016 at 5:39 PM
Giuseppe:
The Intellectual Property of the E-Cat is property of Leonardo Corporation.
Leonardo Corporation is property of a US Trust.
Warm Regards
A.R.

Back in 2012 Rossi stated that Leonardo Corp. had become the property of an ‘investors trust’, so I guess that is still the case.



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So, as the roll out of manufacturing comes closer we see references to an automated layered wafer type construction method (rectangular, ranging from inches to yards long).

We see Leonardo Corporation being owned by an international trust that is based out of the USA.   We see separate automated wafer manufacturing sites mentioned in USA and in Europe.

Now we have references for Rossi's dozen Leonardo lead engineers working with dozens of engineering GROUPS on various applications which will utilize Leonardo Corp Wafers (various length /width forms as meet current mgf capabilities).

Rossi has a prototype plant set up already that is making his experimental / refinement level trial wafers to support this effort.

Apart from one year of NEW MATERIALS progress, the strips in the 1 megawatt plant are the same same sort of stuff covered by the same patents (1 granted, 60 pending) of which enough hours of data has been turned over to the French UL equivalent (Bureau Veritas) for them to issue an industrial safety certification.

The Leonardo Corporation (Trust) is in motion preparing for bulk manufacturing of wafers to allow a variety of licensees to roll forward with patented application uses of the Leonardo wafers.   Think of the Intel business model, where Intel builds the chips (in Leonardo's case a wafer) which can go in a wide range of uses.  

You can patent your IP developed around a particular use / product using these same wafers to keep your competition from stealing your novel ideas (think of all the PC and phone patents that get wrangled over all the time -- all using generic ARM or Intel chipsets).

NDA is being WIDELY used at this time, but yes there is a rocket or jet engine under real development as we speak.

Be aware that the US Gov can require direct licensed manufacturing of "important technology" at "a fair rate of return" in areas that the US Gov finds to be nationally significant.   These laws have been on the books for centuries and the Navy and Army and DARPA all use them as needed.

Rossi's tech roll out will not lack for funding.    It will not lack for emphasis.   It has been trialed all along by NDA covered agencies of the US Gov. and Swedish and Norwegian military people acting in concert with DARPA on cold climate uses --- the public 1 megawatt trial is just the only "public trial".

UL recognizes Bureau Veritas approvals and vice versa.   Developed units will have to go before these national agencies for safety testing in the regular fashion before release to public sales -- Gov and International Industrial uses have different rules though.

The game begins .......   These current moves signify that the investor requirements of the 1 year 1 megawatt test have been met already and that the next moves are in motion for customer based application development and the multiple site wide spread large scale wafer production to support customer designed applications.

It is also clear that Rossi, Leonardo, Industrial Heat, Woodford are kicking into the next stage as we speak.

It is now suspected that the 1 year 1 megawatt plant's "referee" is a certifying agency that has already preliminary reported for the x,xxx hours of production that was required by his contract.     No downtime was charged to the reactor itself so far -- all has been monitoring recording devices and their sensors and the more or less standard type steam and water plumbing related leaks supposedly.


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Hey buddy, ya wanna buy a controllable multi-layer nickle/lithium wafer set-up that gets real hot for over a year for like about $50 a kilowatt per whole year ????

Answer  =  no, go sharpen your pencil some more, Rossi.  

Like all Protoypes, yours was very very expensive over its total run of time.    Something about paying the salaries for a half dozen engineers, etc. etc.

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Reply #227 - 01/13/16 at 08:27:05
 

Is it all a fraud?

I think it is pretty clear that too many people have seen too much in motion at Rossi's site and too much money has been spent after all that due diligence prepping for manufacturing to doubt that something is going to be built at this point in time.   The Black Swan is going to take off and fly now.

As a side effort, Brillouin just went before Congress seeking a large influx of money and influence to get his first pilot plant finally built so he could prove out his ~ COP of 6 ~  technology in a real pilot plant and prove out and refine his various control ideas.    

However, since his tech is only ~6~ COP and Rossi is running circa 20-80 COP with a proven out design, Brillouin won't get very much pilot plant money from anybody once Rossi's trial is over and his data is declared by the impartial referee.

This Brillouin publicity stunt was useful as it helps to legitimatize LENR technology.  Like many of the rest of the 5-6 other groups out there, Brillouin senses he's about to be overcome by events and left as a footnote in the E-Cat Story that is being written in secrecy right now by Rossi's Leonardo Corporation (a USA based international trust).

Rossi has taken point up until now, then he has turned over point to his Lead Engineers (right now about a dozen) who are working with Project Groups at the customer's places of business.   Distributed Beta testing comes next as the various real world applications will be put together then the real salable production prototype samples will slowly go through UL or whatever else is appropriate as the certification body.

The little CAD drawing is real.    This is the small distributed E-Cat X local heat package that uses all the new materials tech and is capable of generating DC power directly from the reaction.




Look at the big 2 yard long reactor and you can count the number of 2 yard long extended wafers (24 of them) that are contained within it.    20-80 COP.   This, in various lengths is your industrial heat package which can (but not necessarily if you choose not to) generate DC power that could be accumulated in a large storage battery and then be converted to run the reactor itself.

Remote power station designs will likely do this, with a gas generator backing it up as a "disaster level re-starter".   DARPA will be all over this for arctic base camp uses.

Look for a much larger core to be developed and trialed, something big enough for retrofit into existing coal to steam power plants.




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So elegant. Just an aesthetically pleasing design,amazing.
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Rossi: 20 kW E-Cat X Reactor is Size of Cigarette Packet
Posted on January 13, 2016 by Frank Acland • 100 Comments
Andrea Rossi has answered a question from a reader on the Journal of Nuclear Physics about the size of the E-Cat X reactor.

Dear Mr Rossi,
What would be the weight and the volume (perhaps liters) of a 20 kw e-cat x reactor?
Thank you.

Andrea Rossi

January 13th, 2016 at 5:15 PM
Hergen:
Ballpark numbers: like a 20 cigarette packet, while the weight c ould be 300-400 grams, plus the apparatus to use the energy, that is different depending on the use, the fluid, etc.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

So that gives a bit more detail to help us try and visualize just what the E-Cat X is like. If it turns out to be what Andrea Rossi says, it would certainly be a revolutionary product. Getting 20 kW in a combination of electricity and heat in something the size of a normal cigarette packet would be truly remarkable for something that is not radioactive and uses only a tiny amount of fuel.



OK, so what can you do with 20 kW cigarette pack sized E-Cat X?


http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/power/20-kw-generators.html




Also worth saying, a stock Savage puts out about 26-28 hp before folks start fixing all the EPA stuff -- and that my friends is almost exactly 20 kW of power.

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Reply #230 - 01/14/16 at 21:07:53
 
Twenty Kilowatts? In the size of a pack of Cigarettes? You can't get that if you light them all at Once!
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Reply #231 - 01/15/16 at 01:28:19
 
 
What do you need to do to set up your steam motorcycle?

First, insulate the hell out of that white hot E-Cat X core so you don't cook your legs.   You may even put the water tank over it to keep the heat way from the rider (and pre-warm the water).

Second, it is a direct drive system with a long stroke piston mated to the rear wheel.   There is no gear box needed or desired.

A water injector sprays the right amount of water for the desired stroke/power into the white hot flash chamber making a very brief blast of steam that is timed to the rear wheel revolution to generate and power the piston as it hits top dead center.   Area on the side opposite the power stroke is vented to allow maximum energy transfer.  Existing computerized sensor tech is used to tell the injector when to squirt the water mist.  Doing it this way means NO HIGH PRESSURE STORAGE TANK is needed, steam is created very efficiently and used instantly while it is at max pressure in very small amounts.  

See, all that automotive fuel injector technology does get used all over again, but instead of at 3,000-6,000 RPM it gets used at 0-850 RPM (rear wheel revolution speeds).   Relatively easy to do, right?   VERY efficient on the water usage, too.

No chain, no belt, no smoke, no roaring exhaust.

Chugga, chugga, chuggachuggachugga, chuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuchuggachugg
achuggaggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachugga

Likely sports bike riders will want the more powerful dual acting (steam power on both down and up strokes) engines which will be more complex and might entail two white hot chamber areas, one at either end of the long stroking cylinder.  This means TWO of the 20kw cigarette packs, and two water injector systems, and the steam piston gets hard driven in both up and down motions and the effective 40kw of torque to the rear wheel NOW MORE THAN DOUBLES into completely ridiculous asinine numbers just like the crotch rocket guys do love so much while the weight of the bike only goes up mebbe 15-20 pounds in total.

Burnout wheelie city.

Shocked

A clutch system will be built into the rear wheel will allow for "clutch slip" on start up and for when you have to be stopping quickly to avoid possum and deer (and them ever pesky erratic car critters).   The center of your rear wheel hub can be your flywheel mass and the outer rim can be your clutch driven portion with the rear wheel clutch doing double duty as your rear brakes.

No injector water being sprayed during braking means that the full "engine braking" that is available is both abrupt and massive, so you will be using that wheel clutch to both meter acceleration and to ABS control rear wheel engine braking.   Computer control of all these functions will be needed as you aren't fast enough to keep the rear wheel rolling along properly in all the needed appropriate modes.  

Having your direct drive system lock up your rear wheel in a corner is an absolute no-no after all.   A one way "disaster" sprag clutch disengagement feature will likely be a required safety item.   Quite a few racing bikes have this feature already as the engine braking can be too much in a hard corner, so the sprag clutch releases engine braking past a certain limited amount.

Still got separate hydraulic front brakes of course, you will still need them.    Still got a battery to deal with (becomes your major issue to deal with, apart from doing a periodic de-lime on the steam chamber).

Issue with bikes will be they are far too light now, rather than too heavy.   You got no engine to add mass to stuff, and the steam cylinder tube is mostly empty space.    Still got your water tank, so it might get oversized a bit to help add some mass back into the system.  Plastic water tank may elongate into a nice streamlined cowl system as you got no pesky radiator to deal with any more.  Think of using your injection molded cowl / water tank as thermal protection for the rider and you got the main idea.

Torque with steam engines is 100% from the very first puff, so wheelies are very possible on the light short wheel base systems that are design feasible with steam.   Just like those Hayabusa got longer swing arms to handle the torque, so shall the big powerful steam cycles.  Increasing the rear wheel diameter some is another possible control measure as well.

Remember all those steam locomotives in the movies having to be throttled very carefully to keep the drive wheels from spinning?   Yep, that's you now.   Got a computer and sensors to help with that though.

Draw a line between the rear swing arm axle and the triple tree, and that large tube between the two is your bike's structural spine, alias the steam cylinder.   The circular arc that the rear swing arm travels on also defines the connecting rod length which is also in relation to your rear wheel "hub" diameter.   The space below the tube (where the engine used to be) defines the water tank area.

You got you a plastic cowl over the steam cylinder that is force fed moving air to make sure your steam cylinder doesn't cook your crods.   At long stoplights it does get a bit warm though, even though the cylinder doesn't run per se at stoplights.  

Grin

Come spring time, you jest fill 'er up with water, put the battery back in and go.    You fueled it year before last, so you are good for at least one more year of cruising around town.

You do still have to stop every hundred miles or so for piss breaks and to fill your tank with water ......  

Roll Eyes

Now, re-think your Elios with this sort of steam system.
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Reply #232 - 01/15/16 at 07:15:39
 
I rode in a steam powered car once, just as OF describes, instant acceleration, quiet, fast
I believe the ONLY reason internal combustion beat out steam back then was due to :
wait time for the boiler to build pressure
consumption of large amounts of combustibles
high pressure boiler concerns

an Ecat powered steamer could quickly render the IC engine obsolete
add in the electric generation and heating, and this tech is a game changer
the oil companies bear close watching, lest Rossi suffer an 'accident'
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Reply #233 - 01/15/16 at 09:57:20
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/01/15/oil-markets-continue-precipitous-decline/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timtreadgold/2016/01/11/low-oil-prices-start-a-re...

The Black Swan is on the wing, threatening Arabia and Russia and a bunch of the other "oil economies" .....  

Some entire COUNTRIES are already running in the black with oil only at $30 a barrel, with the Swan knowing durn well that $20 a barrel may take place later on this year.    Russia is stone broke again, and Saudi Arabia is dipping into their 550 billion dollars in reserves at the rate of 100 billion a year right now at $30 a barrel.   Everybody is pumping it out just as fast as they can before it becomes worthless .....

Mind you, this is with the folks in charge already trying to moderate the paradigm shift that is going to happen as soon as the popular press ends their suppression of Rossi and the other 5 groups (should all of them survive Rossi's first post results press conference when they are at 3-6 COP and Rossi is at 20+ COP and making electricity directly.)

Yep, Rossi had better be planning to go on an extended top secret vacation about then ......  angry Russian shotgun mobsters and Jihad rocket launcher & suicide bomber guys all over the place will be looking for him.

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Reply #234 - 01/15/16 at 20:04:33
 
Why aren't the GW people championing this tech?
Imagine the drop in the CO2.
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Al Gore will claim to have invented it and claim that folks owe him carbon credits for using it .....

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Politicians are all over the Google Car now, with Obama claiming his administration "supported" the idea from the very beginning and Ford is claiming they built the very first self driving car (this is true, BTW, they built it for Google).

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http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/14/10767502/us-dot-anthony-foxx-self-driving-r...



I think whenever Rossi comes out of the closet with his results, the same thing will happen to him.    Politicians crowding up on the stage to claim they have been supporting him all along.  They DO know about it, remember Brillouin has already been there with his hand out begging for money to build his pilot plant for his COP = 4-6 water over the dam "retrofit" system.

Rossi is being controlled and moderated by IH and Woodford who are getting input from their governments.    Rossi's patents are getting fast tracked as needed now, as he will tease a bit then shut up until his patents are at least at the documented pending stage, and he won't release any real info to anyone until the patents are at full granted stage.


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Reply #236 - 01/16/16 at 06:41:45
 
Wise of him, all things considered, wouldn't want to see him treated like Tesla
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Reply #237 - 01/16/16 at 07:22:14
 
Maybe I'm not looking in the right places, but if I was one of people who have what I believed to be scientifically supported,genuine fears that the CO2 levels were a real problem, I'd be interested in knowing about this Rossi character.
The media are fully capable of focusing a light on something, and make it unavoidable to know about, because the talking heads on Every " News Channel  "  will be saying the exact same words and phrases, over, and over, and over, over, and over, and over, over, and over, and over, over, and over, and over
until everyone who watches the alleged News knows it, forward and backwards. The silence on this topic is telling. Were it not for the curiosity and reporting of our own board member, I wouldn't have a clue about it.

And, the really heavy trains had men with buckets of sand, sprinkling it on the track in front of the drive wheels till it was going fast enough.
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Reply #238 - 01/16/16 at 07:49:06
 
JOG you know as well as I do that once there's a solution for 'climate change' that particular breed of professional victim will be seeking a new job
these folks don't want a solution, they want a dead horse to beat
to quote Carlin, the earth is fine
It was fine before us, it'll clean itself up and be fine when we're gone
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Reply #239 - 01/16/16 at 13:51:37
 
Pardon me for a moment, but, am I Wrong to say that the majority of those who are freaking out are the atheist/ evolutionist folks?
ANd IF that's true, then why worry? We will either evolve and adapt or diminish severely in number, and we are overpopulated anyway, right?
And,the few remaining will have learned the lesson and Mother Earth will heal...
I can almost see the campfire and hear the singing....
And poor Rossi, with a wonderful device, and no consumers.
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