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Reply #255 - 01/19/16 at 22:24:32
 

Status of Patents

"Jeffry January 19th, 2016 at 7:19 AM
Dear Andrea,
You wrote here that you have pending and in preparation about 200 patents after the US patent that has been allowed to you. How is the situation of these patents?
Thank you,
A.R.

Andrea Rossi January 19th, 2016 at 10:12 AM
Jeffry:
Yes, we have now 220 patents between pending and in preparation; I am optimistic and think about 140 will be allowed, while 80 will be rejected; nevertheless, we’ll go on with the ones we do not think will be allowed, because in any case they are useful to make experience.
Warm Regards,
A.R."



Over 120 are now firmly at the Patent Pending stage, with another 100 in progress some of which will be denied until Rossi et al decide exactly how to prove power generation to the patent office without exposing any critical IP in doing so.  

Rossi also has to dance around his military secrets DARPA stuff as his E-Cat X power & heat station is now considered a significant military support item to several nations.  

And if that jet/rocket engine thing pans out ...... then that one will likely go black and likely stay there a while until NASA/DARPA releases it.

You know the Navy is interested in Rossi's stuff, as smaller "large" ships (especially the tenders) run off of steam generated by oil.  

However, a simple home room heater shouldn't threaten any DARPA secrets, so go for it boys.

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Reply #256 - 01/19/16 at 22:40:29
 

Rossi is now leading a team of a dozen engineers who are working with customers on their first applications and he is also working with a team of patent attorneys to push through his hundreds of new patents.

I don't think he is jest sleeping in his container any more ......

The number of follow on patents (120 in the last month alone) is an indication of the E-Cat expanding its application base very quickly.

Rossi does not expect to get all of these patents granted quickly on the very first pass, but he is driving a stake in the sand a clear YEAR or so before his competitors have any developed ideas of their own or could even begin to rip off his patent pending ideas and move into these same areas.  

Proving "prior art" is very important in patenting an exploding technology area.   As long as his team of patent attorneys keep adding details to the original patent request to keep it moving along the first date applied for remains the final implementation date when it is eventually granted.

Plus, even with only a patent pending in effect, if you want to use his stuff you HAVE to work with his engineers on your team and you MUST advertise that you are using E-Cat Technology in your product.   Failure to do so would be very very expensive to the offender if they make a product without a proper license.  Think of the "Intel Inside" stickers and emblems that are displayed in product ads and on the computing products themselves and you have the concept.

Two of these new patents seem to come from automotive and aeronautical applications.  Many are heating application based.   All show serious intent by somebody who has a design team actually working on it.

It also indicates that more and more people are touring the goodies at Rossi's hidden site and only an iron clad non-disclosure is keeping the lid on at this point in time.

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Reply #257 - 01/20/16 at 21:04:20
 
I'm sure I should know, but, kinda sorta what kinda energy will have to go In, in order to get , s a y, 150 watts out.
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Reply #258 - 01/20/16 at 22:14:54
 


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Current worst case is one to four, 37.5 watts of electrical input to get back out 150 watts of heat.

Much much better than this is available now in self-sustaining mode, with the promise of even better results later on.

But is it heat alone you are really interested in?


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Tell me which application you are talking about and I can better judge if an E-Cat X could do it better or more effectively.

Remember, it is E-Cat X tech that can be scaled down to little bitty and cranked up quickly and moved up and down rapidly.   It is E-Cat X tech that can give you back room light and/or DC current for free .....  along with lots of heat.





Think of E-Cat X as being like this proposed discussed "constant on" light stand, a lamp / multi- room heater / phone charger.

It is small, it takes ~100 watts to heat it up to get it to start up, after that it is a constant on room light at ~ 150 watts of light output, plus it puts out enough constant heat to warm up ~ 2 rooms in your house in the winter time and it also has a charging jack for cell phones and such that is truly 100% free incidental power.   Once warmed up, lit and running good it only draws 5-8 watts from the wall socket to run the controller circuitry for the reactor, but yields that much or more as a cell phone power supply.

What were you thinking about?

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Reply #259 - 01/21/16 at 06:53:15
 
That's great in the winter
on a 110 degree day in Texas, no need for heat, need lights / AC (maybe power for microwave, ETC
well maybe hot water for showers / dishwashing
Home powered by ECat  Smiley
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Reply #260 - 01/21/16 at 07:00:03
 

Art, it may be possible to keep a hot E-Cat X running out in your car all the time with a cord connection sharing power with your house.   The car's E-Cat will be sized large enough for good acceleration such that it might do the lights in your house with no hassles.   Plus, being outside the house the waste heat isn't running you out of the house all the time.

Another summer source of house power might be the relatively large E-Cat X powered AC unit that you might own -- yep, heat based AC has been around a long long long time but it wasn't as efficient as direct electric motor AC so it got dropped.   You can still buy it today as natural gas AC units for RVs.  Now that heat is very very low cost again, it may be good enough again for AC.

The Reem folks et al will be thinking about outside ducted retrofit units (on the order of an old style gas pack type unit) that can heat and cool and partially power your lights for you.

Rossi is saying he can vary the output from heat to electricity, so "more power and less heat" sort of ongoing tuning for the seasons may be possible.   You will still need a grid connection to make up any differences.
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Reply #261 - 01/21/16 at 07:08:51
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/01/20/rossi-sees-e-cat-x-making-impact-in-auto...

Rossi Sees E-Cat X Making Impact in Automotive Field

Posted on January 20, 2016 by Frank Acland • 82 Comments

It looks like the E-Cat X is opening up possibilities that were not conceivable to Andrea Rossi with the old-style hot cat. He’s talked quite a bit about the work he is doing studying the use of the E-Cat X with jet engines, and now it sounds like there is serious consideration being made for using it in automobiles.

Here’s a question and answer from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today:

Dear Mr Rossi,

Do you have any commercial plans for the e-cat X in the automotive industry ? What would be the time frame ? Would you seek exclusive agreements with a partner, or seek to have several licensees ?

Thanks in advance,
PC

Andrea Rossi
January 20th, 2016 at 8:25 AM
Pierre Carbonelle:
Yes, the E-Cat X can say an important word in the automotive field, but we are still in the R&D phase and it is soon to talk of licenses.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

What I find interesting here is that for years Rossi said that it would be highly unlikely that the old E-Cat technology could be employed in automobiles within the next couple of decades, but now his tune has definitely changed.

If the E-Cat X is able to produce electricity directly, this could open up the use of it in electric vehicles — perhaps an onboard generator could be used to drive an electric motor, rather than having to pack bulky and heavy batteries that give EVs limited range. It’s hard to know at this point what direction they are thinking of, but the E-Catt X is certainly opening lots of doors that it sounds like Rossi and Co. are actively looking into.

Of course there would need to be lots of R&D involved, but this is what automotive companies do all the time in looking for new technological advances. If one or more big automakers partnered with Leonardo Corp., they would have lots of expertise on hand to work on adapting vehicles to the E-Cat X.

Sounds like Rossi has an automotive customer participating in R&D efforts now .....

Elon Musk will be there, as he has way too much invested in his battery stuff to see it get wiped out by an oncoming tech -- he will be there to see what's what so he can make the needed pre-moves.  Just heating the car in winter and trickle charging what he has now will extend his winter range greatly (40% range loss hit in winter while running electric heat is a bummer to the full battery people).

Ford, BMW, just read the list of folks on the stage at Google's political unveiling of autonomous car tech being US Gov supported -- these same folks will react to the E-Cat Black Swan flapping over their industry for the exact same reason as Elon Musk.  

They MUST stay abreast of any fast breaking paradigm shifting tech like E-Cat or they can possibly lose out big time inside of 5 years.   And they know this.
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I actually searched propane powered AC units
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Reply #263 - 01/21/16 at 09:45:48
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/01/21/rossi-leonardo-corp-gathers-scientific-c...

Rossi: Leonardo Corp. Gathers Scientific Committee of ‘Top Level Scientists and Engineers’

Posted on January 21, 2016 by Frank Acland • 4 Comments

Here is another comment on the Journal of Nuclear Physics today by Andrea Rossi which seems to reflect a growing level of confidence regarding the technological development of the E-Cat, and the ability of Leonardo Corporation to industrialize the technology.

Andrea Rossi
January 21st, 2016 at 9:09 AM
Jarrod Kennedy:
at 09.00 a.m. of Thursday, January 2016:
1 MW E-Cat: stable, some leakage promptly repaired during the last night.
E-Cat X: operating and technologically improving with the US engineer now in the scientific commettee of Leonardo Corporation that has connections with an important aerospace concern. The technology is definitely improving. By the way: I have gathered in Leonardo Corporation a scientific commettee made by a team of top level scientists and engineers to improve our R&D capacity: these persons, that have honoured us accepting the appointment, are from USA, Europe, Japan, India. We must fight to obtain and perpetuate positive results and remain the number 1 of the sector for ever. Also the management of Leonardo Corporation has been reinforced substantially.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

In a post last week, Rossi indicated that there was preparation for staffing taking place at Leonardo with this comment:

Andrea Rossi
January 16th, 2016 at 9:03 AM
Kibbler:
Yes, we already have set up the Team that will lead Leonardo Corporation, with women and men each of them belonging to the top level of her/his specialization.
The management is composed by divisions covering manufacturing, sales, R&D, distribution, sales, legal, financial, PR. Yes, I will be the CEO, but there will be also a BOD under the control of the ownership.
The whole is, obviously, under condition of F9, but the names are already there and each of the selected persons has already accepted the role that has been proposed.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Of course, all this information is coming from our one main source at this point: Andrea Rossi, and we don’t have much outside corroboration for this activity. The only other person who has commented on some of the organizational activity going on in connection with the commercialization of the E-Cat is Rossi’s right hand engineer Fulvio Fabiani who told Mats Lewan this:

“About 10 or 15 top level managers are involved—surely there is Rossi and Darden, but I don’t know them all well. Is not of my concern. I think it’s right to keep things compartmentalized to avoid information leaks.”

“In discussions on Internet forums everyone says they are slow, but I only see people really devoting all their resources and all their time to make this happen. So many people talk, but they don’t even know what it means to industrialize an object like that.”

http://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/11/25/rossis-engineer-i-have-seen-thing...

To my mind, if the Rossi effect is real (which I believe it is), and if Andrea Rossi has been able to convince others about its reality and viability as superior energy technology, then the kinds of things he is describing here make a great deal of sense. If Leonardo is planning a worldwide release of the E-Cat, and if they want to continue to improve and adapt the technology, then naturally they will have to get organized on many fronts to make sure they can accomplish their goals.

At this point, we can’t know if they will succeed commercially, but it sounds from what Rossi is saying that they are taking the next phase of operations very seriously."


Remember, if Rossi is taking the new product development group from each of his first wave of licensee / customers into his fold using iron clad non-disclosure agreements and incorporating what this ever increasing talented pool of applications engineers learn (and then Leonardo is requested to add) to the E-Cat X program then he gets a very large population of very talented and motivated technical people contributing to the E-Cat X program.  

Rossi is getting their "area expertise" in essence contributed for free.  Each one really will be a knowledge leader in his individual field and each will bring REAL WORLD application expertise to be incorporated into the E-Cat X technology.  

All Rossi needs to sit on is the secret sauce and his mix secrets, he can openly talk excitation and programming etc. as without the secret sauce and the mix details that are locked up inside the wafer it doesn't go anywhere for anybody else.

Smiley  

Likely the various companies will then in turn separately patent their own application portion of the tricks that are jointly discovered and then they will roll forwards towards UL approval, etc. etc.    Leonardo will then thoroughly patent the wafer and controller changes as they come up as they have a lock on that from the already totally granted patents and all of the patents pending that are already granted at that point in time.   The more patents Leonardo generates, the firmer their grip becomes.

We know we got a car guy and we know we got a jet/rocket guy and we know we got DARPA and NASA and various Navy people (from various countries) and we got SEVERAL sets of heating people (from various countries) and some public utility people and the list is going to grow quite rapidly now as EVERY MAJOR INDUSTRY will have people lining up to come play in Rossi's garden with the Leonardo Group.  

Eventually, Rossi will lead the USA based group and Woodford will lead a European based group and other more regional groups will then develop naturally as variations in local national laws force various areas of the world to take slightly different approaches to doing things.

Rossi intends for them all to make a buck while they disperse his tech across industry everywhere.   Rossi believes capitalism is the best and only way to RAPIDLY move his discovery into the main stream and to quickly overcome all the trash kicked up by physicists and "major science" leaders about LENR during the last 20 years.

Expect to see politicians line up on a stage yet again while the US Government, the Justice and Patent people and the Regulatory people all firmly promise the voters to fast track all the needed legal and regulatory garbage to make sure E-Cat X is not delayed in any meaningful fashion while being implemented here in the USA.  

They will do this very quickly to give the USA a lead on the other nations as this first wave of tech implementation will determine who is on top during the next 50 years or so.

After all, Gaia (Mother Earth) demands it of us all ....  

(and so do ALL of us voters)




Grin           And here is that voice from the future ringing in yet again .....

Footnote as of 1/20/16:    There were 5 other early LENR groups that never really got to the starting gate and were left totally in the dust as Rossi took off.

Rossi's tech was commandingly better at the start of year 2016 when the LENR roll outs first began and Leonardo Corporation and the various Leonardo Groups immediately jumped into an insurmountable lead which led to the world-wide monopoly situation that caused the US Justice Department to order the 2025 breakup of the Leonardo Groups into five separate fully competing companies each based in five different nations, with each one able to sell their products anywhere in the world.

     
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Reply #264 - 01/21/16 at 12:28:31
 
Art Webb wrote on 01/21/16 at 07:52:45:
I actually searched propane powered AC units
Nothing
my google fu is weak  Grin



http://www.gasairconditioning.org/FAQ.htm

In the United States, most cooling needs in the 1930s and 1940s were provided by gas.  By the 1960s, electric chillers began making inroads into the cooling market due to lower cost equipment, low electric rates, and higher efficiency of the machines.  In the 1970s, the use of gas was restricted as the cost of natural gas rose and "all electric" cooling use continued to increase.  By 1990, only 5% of all air conditioning in the United States was provided by gas.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=...



In your brain, think about a heat pump.   A heat pump with a very hot hot side and a room temperature cold side.  It can heat like nobody's business very easily, but using the right fluid in a sub-loop it can also do a cooling cycle that isn't as efficient as a modern electric motor driven freon unit.   It became unpopular because natural gas simply costs too much vs electricity now-a-days, but if the new heat source is practically free again like natural gas used to be, well then it still makes sense to do it this way.  

Especially if inside the E-Cat itself it generates the electrical watts needed to drive the various fans and pumps and various small motors in and of itself ......   this way you use the excess heat and you use the generated power most efficiently.

Roll Eyes     in the diagram where it says "BURNER" plug in "E-Cat X" and draw you some power out lines to the various motors.

Remember, Rossi says he gets to pick the ratio of heat to electricity when he designs the E-Cat X unit .....


The unit would sit on the pad where your AC unit sits today and it would run an extra set of hot lines to a heater exchange coil in addition to the refrigeration coil you have now.   Or else if they were really really clever about it, just one set of light oil filled lines to just one heater/cooler exchange coil .....  all the hot vs cold line switching would be done inside the new unit sitting on the pad where your AC unit sat.

Roll Eyes

They would simply push your old furnace off to the side and leave it just occupying a piece of unused dirt under your house in the crawl space.  A piece of ductwork could replace it -- or they could leave it in place and just replace the coil unit, using the old furnace body as a chunk of ductwork.
     
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there's also the pelltier chip that cools 20° with dc current.
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Peltier Construction

Two unique semiconductors, one n-type and one p-type, are used because they need to have different electron densities. The semiconductors are placed thermally in parallel to each other and electrically in series and then joined with a thermally conducting plate on each side. When a voltage is applied to the free ends of the two semiconductors there is a flow of DC current across the junction of the semiconductors causing a temperature difference. The side with the cooling plate absorbs heat which is then moved to the other side of the device where the heat sink is. TECs are typically connected side by side and sandwiched between two ceramic plates. The cooling ability of the total unit is then proportional to the number of TECs in it.

Some benefits of using a TEC are:

No moving parts so maintenance is required less frequently
No chlorofluorocarbons (CFC)
Temperature control to within fractions of a degree can be maintained
Flexible shape (form factor); in particular, they can have a very small size
Can be used in environments that are smaller or more severe than conventional refrigeration
Long life, with mean time between failures (MTBF) exceeding 100,000 hours
Controllable via changing the input voltage/current
Some disadvantages[4] of using a TEC are:

Only a limited amount of heat flux is able to be dissipated
Relegated to applications with low heat flux
Not as efficient, in terms of coefficient of performance, as vapor-compression systems.


Peltier systems are small scale sorta stuff, biggest I ever saw did a picnic chest cooler.
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Reply #267 - 01/22/16 at 08:13:31
 
My AC is a window unit, and will continue to be so in the new place, do i ever get my building (10x20, a central unit is so overpowered for that it's actually be less efficient)
my needs will be around 8000 BTU or maybe 12000 at the outside
the gas AC idea caught my attention because I can currently cook, heat, and light my travel trailer with no electricity
( small LP  range, wall mounted gas lamp, gas furnace, though it currently needs work) the only thing I can't do without 110v AC is run AC
being able to still operate when the power goes down is a great thing.
I've considered a gas or LP genny, but most of the lower priced ones can ruin your electronics
of course running them through a battery bank would help mitigate power spikes
one other thing of course is the refrigerator doesn't run off gas, either (WalMart dorm room fridge, the one that came with the trailer isn't even connected to anything  Grin)
Of course, I could just build a battery bank and charge it from the grid while power is on, that gets me through temporary interruptions
Ecat promises eventual total self reliance  Smiley
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Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 01/20/16 at 22:14:54:


Roll Eyes

Current worst case is one to four, 37.5 watts of electrical input to get back out 150 watts of heat.

Much much better than this is available now in self-sustaining mode, with the promise of even better results later on.

But is it heat alone you are really interested in?


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Tell me which application you are talking about and I can better judge if an E-Cat X could do it better or more effectively.

Remember, it is E-Cat X tech that can be scaled down to little bitty and cranked up quickly and moved up and down rapidly.   It is E-Cat X tech that can give you back room light and/or DC current for free .....  along with lots of heat.


http://image.lampsplus.com/is/image/cropped/U2536cropped.fpx?qlt=75&wid=460&h...


Think of E-Cat X as being like this proposed discussed "constant on" light stand, a lamp / multi- room heater / phone charger.

It is small, it takes ~100 watts to heat it up to get it to start up, after that it is a constant on room light at ~ 150 watts of light output, plus it puts out enough constant heat to warm up ~ 2 rooms in your house in the winter time and it also has a charging jack for cell phones and such that is truly 100% free incidental power.   Once warmed up, lit and running good it only draws 5-8 watts from the wall socket to run the controller circuitry for the reactor, but yields that much or more as a cell phone power supply.

What were you thinking about?

Grin

I'm following the thread and,actually, heat isn't my primary concern. I'm in Texas, so, power for cooling and running lights
Water heater, stuff like that. If I can ditch the propane heat and come out, all the better.

What were you thinking about?


I ask myself that Very question several times a day.
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